CIA: Russia Intervened in Our Election to Help Donald Trump Win

This was not a real election

PoliticsDecember 2016 • Views: 51,823

If this Washington Post article is accurate, how the hell can this country allow the election of Donald Trump to stand?

A case like this is exactly why the Electoral College was created in the first place. It’s not supposed to be a rubber stamp. The Electoral College was intended to be a last line of defense against American democracy being subverted by special interests, or a foreign power.

We have now reached the crossing of that Rubicon.

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

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b.d. Dec 9, 2016 • 6:05:21pm

There may never be a safer election in which to vote for a third option. pic.twitter.com/5qqRsgCRe5

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) October 21, 2016

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William Lewis Dec 9, 2016 • 6:05:59pm

And of course Senator Turtle Head (R - Confederacy) is bleating the Putin talking points instantly.

Citizen K Dec 9, 2016 • 6:06:14pm

Sometimes, I wonder if it’s possible to become too cynical about American politics, and shit like this proves to me that the answer is “no, there’s always ways for it to get worse, and rarely ever ways it gets better”

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:06:41pm

Days BEFORE GOP rolled the media with FBI letter, they were in secret meetings with White House opposing disclosure as “too explosive”! pic.twitter.com/5Q0WD7jLRR

— Matt Ortega (@MattOrtega) December 10, 2016

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William Lewis Dec 9, 2016 • 6:07:32pm

re: #1 b.d.

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Just saying what his boss Putin told him to say. Now that he’s no longer useful though, I’d be worried if I were him. Grey faced strangers in overcoats & fedoras and carrying umbrellas would not be someone to walk near…

William Lewis Dec 9, 2016 • 6:09:08pm

re: #3 Citizen K

WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:09:48pm

Obama supposedly didn’t want this released until after the inauguration. If it’s true that he ordered this, I’d be willing to bet he knew it was bound to leak anyway.

b.d. Dec 9, 2016 • 6:10:13pm

re: #5 William Lewis

Just saying what his boss Putin told him to say. Now that he’s no longer useful though, I’d be worried if I were him. Grey faced strangers in overcoats & fedoras and carrying umbrellas would not be someone to walk near…

Yep. I wouldn’t feel so safe holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy either.

Arkansawyer Dec 9, 2016 • 6:10:53pm

Well…shit.

thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 6:11:02pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Obama supposedly didn’t want this released until after the inauguration. If it’s true that he ordered this, I’d be willing to bet he knew it was bound to leak anyway.

Plausible deniability.

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:14:05pm

Pro tip: when someone comes at you with an “honest question” and you check their bio and it says #MAGA, just tell them to fuck off.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:15:32pm

Obama is answering to the higher power = Keeping the Union Together.

Seriously, he’s strapped in starting anything then or now. The elected officials of this country need to grow up and do it.

This is seriously fucked up.

Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:15:45pm

From downstairs.

re: #154 Big Beautiful Door

This is just silly. We have problems, but nothing remotely as bad as 1861.

We happen to be more polarized now than anytime since 1865 according to several historians I have read. Maybe your analysis differs.

As I see it, the country is coming apart and we cannot even discuss what is wrong because half of the populace listens to or reads propaganda designed specifically to promote ignorance, fear and anger.

Also, we are now in a scenario similar to that of Athens at the end of the Peloponnesian War where every battle had to be won…or the war is lost. Trump and his cabinet pick and actions are demonstrating that. Everything…everything gained under the last 45 years may be erased in the next 4.

What do we do when basic civil liberties come under sustained attack? Trump has threatened freedom of speech quite specifically. The newspaper owned by his son in law published an op-ed urging federal investigation of protesters nationwide. We are looking at a likely wholesale ideological purge of the federal workforce…and that is something they bragged about last July!

What do Democratic states start doing at that point when their own laws get over-ridden by Trump? Nullification?

The essential myth of this country…that you can do anything and be anything as long as you work hard and play by the rules…has been thrown away and trashed. Our founding contradictions of “All men are created equal” and “White lives tend to matter a hell of a lot more than others” (among other things) are not being resolved.

Not. Being. Resolved.

I don’t believe they will be. Not after what we have seen this last year and these last few weeks especially.

We are coming apart. We are displaying signs of terminal imperial collapse. And people are being well paid to make it happen.

After that, the questions really do become easy: Do wealthy states like New York and California cut ties to save themselves?

thecommodore Dec 9, 2016 • 6:16:04pm

OH GEORGE SOROS PAID THUGS TO ATTACK TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND HE’S PAYING PROTESTERS!!11!1!11!!!

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 6:17:36pm

TPM headline: Key House GOPer Introduces Bill With Major Cuts To Social Security

Correction: Comfortably Rich Old Fart Who Judging By His Photo Won’t Live Out The Year Fucks Over His Fellow Olds.

Fuck these people!

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:20:18pm

If you follow LGF you know I usually mock “bombshell” claims. But THIS is a real bombshell. https://t.co/cHAfnEhNOp pic.twitter.com/rrlv7oDxer

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Citizen K Dec 9, 2016 • 6:20:28pm

re: #6 William Lewis

WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong

Every day, I teeter closer and closer to the Despair Event Horizon.

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:22:37pm

And to think, for years the word “traitor” has been thrown at Liberals. Who knew?

Donkey With No Name Dec 9, 2016 • 6:22:53pm

On the subject of the Department of Energy questionnaire - I may have missed it, but I fail to see anything there about ones of the core jobs of the department - they oversee our nuclear weapons program. I’m convinced that an awful lot of Republicans are completely unaware of this.

Shiplord Kirel Dec 9, 2016 • 6:23:45pm

re: #1 b.d.

Edward Snowden ✔ @Snowden
There may never be a safer election in which to vote for a third option.
4:09 PM - 21 Oct 2016

Fuck off and die, you traitorous bastard. This is where you have taken us. Own it.

Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 6:24:41pm

My wife and I are bivouacked for the night west of Salt Lake City.

A case like this is exactly why the Electoral College was created in the first place. It’s not supposed to be a rubber stamp. The Electoral College was intended to be a last line of defense against American democracy being subverted by special interests, or a foreign power.

And you have this article from my local paper, the Scottsbluff (NE) Star-Herald:

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) — Nebraska’s presidential electors are getting deluged with messages trying to sway them before they vote for Republican Donald Trump later this month, but state law has already tied their hands.

If any of the five electors defy the majority of Nebraska voters who picked Trump, a 2014 law would instantly remove them from the position and prevent Secretary of State John Gale from accepting their ballot.

Even so, several of the electors said they’ve been shocked to receive so many pleas urging them to vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or even another Republican. The electors, chosen at the state GOP convention, will formally cast their votes at the Nebraska Capitol on Dec. 19.

starherald.com

More on that at the Star-Herald. My state at least is not going to let the Electoral College do what it was designed to do. This is the sort of situation Lawrence Lessing said he would defend against in court if an elector chose to challenge state law and vote differently (pro-bono). The idea is that such state laws are unconstitutional.

That said, there is about zero chance a Nebraska elector is going to vote for anyone but Mr. Trump.

Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:25:11pm

Additional note:

When empires collapse...they tend to go with shocking swiftness.

So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain

Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 6:25:56pm

re: #18 JasonA

And to think, for years the word “traitor” has been thrown at Liberals. Who knew?

Projection with conservatives, always. I was called that (in the Navy) when I voted for Jimmy Carter over Ronald Reagan in my first election.

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 6:27:39pm

“Blah, I vont to suck your botox”

teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 6:28:16pm

Here’s Donald Trump’s full quote tonight applauding African-Americans for not voting: pic.twitter.com/OVJdavq29k

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) December 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 6:28:21pm

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel

Fuck off and die, you traitorous bastard. This is where you have taken us. Own it.

I wish I could upding this 100 times.

Jenner7 Dec 9, 2016 • 6:28:36pm

As far as I’m concerned: McConnell, Chaffetz and Comey are traitors.

I’m lit.

I can’t believe this is happening.

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:28:39pm

1. In retrospect, this was one of the most important moments of the campaign https://t.co/ZR7YA7ReKg

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) December 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2016 • 6:28:46pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

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Jesus Christ.

Shiplord Kirel Dec 9, 2016 • 6:30:25pm

More intel from the adopted homeland of Wingnut buffoonery:

Patrick’s bathroom priority is schools, incoming senator says

An incoming state senator suggested Thursday that Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick will focus on schools, not businesses or sporting venues, as he crafts an already controversial proposal to prohibit transgender Texans from using bathrooms that match their gender identity.

The remarks by state Senator-elect Dawn Buckingham, R-Austin, come as Patrick faces new pressure to abandon the push for a so-called “bathroom bill,” which critics say could hurt Texas’ economy by making the state appear intolerant. The legislation, which he is calling the Women’s Privacy and Business Protection Act, has not yet been released, but the lieutenant governor has named it one of his top 10 priorities for the upcoming session.

The Texas Constitution empowers county courts to appoint guardians for “all idiots, lunatics, persons non compos mentis, and common drunkards.” We should immediately petition the Travis County courts to appoint guardians for the legislature and the state administration.

Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:30:47pm

re: #22 Scottishdragon

Additional note:

When empires collapse...they tend to go with shocking swiftness.

I don’t mind the empire collapsing. It’s what it will look like here that’s the problem.

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 6:32:10pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

Never thought I’d ever wish for a military coup.

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:32:19pm

Russia influencing US election to put Trump in power is bigger than Watergate.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 10, 2016

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Yup.

Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:32:46pm

re: #27 Jenner7

As far as I’m concerned: McConnell, Chaffetz and Comey are traitors.

I’m lit.

I can’t believe this is happening.

Comey should be in front of a Senate committee and a special prosecutor.

Targetpractice Dec 9, 2016 • 6:33:36pm

So Vlad wasn’t content to just fuck with elections in Eastern Europe, he’s now put a president in the White House.

lawhawk Dec 9, 2016 • 6:33:58pm

re: #33 JasonA

But EMAILS! Hillary’s emails were the real threat. And Goldman Sachs speeches.

All of that BS was an endless diversion to the reality that the Russians were playing the American media for fools and acted in even more direct and insidious ways to flip the election to their benefit with the Trump cabal in charge.

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:34:29pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Jesus Christ.

I wish this was a fucking book I was reading at night.

But no, it is our lives.

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:34:53pm

Man. The right wing flying monkeys are really out tonight. Mobilized to discredit this real news from WaPo: https://t.co/cHAfnEhNOp

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:35:47pm

re: #33 JasonA

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Yup.

Watergate was a corrupt kid’s game.

Hillary was faced with an actual Watergate (email hack) and more.

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:36:20pm

Russia influencing US election to put Trump in power is bigger than Watergate.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 10, 2016

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@DavidCornDC Yes. Much bigger. https://t.co/6zVYBHOUrr

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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lawhawk Dec 9, 2016 • 6:37:00pm

LMAO. You think you’ll benefit from Trump. That’s cute. Buckle up buttercup. @Nick__InRaleigh @gatewaypundit

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 10, 2016

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The GOP lies run deep. The denial runs even deeper.

There was a time when the GOP would have stood against what the Russians have done - and done the right thing. But Trump is no ordinary GOP and the GOP establishment isn’t the GOP of Eisenhower, let alone Reagan. They’ve put absolute power and control above all else, even when that power is owed to the Russians - the US rival throughout the 20th Century.

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:38:35pm

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— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) December 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:38:41pm

re: #31 Belafon

I don’t mind the empire collapsing. It’s what it will look like here that’s the problem.

I mind quite a bit. I loved being part of the greatest power in the world that at least used to stand for justice and freedom. We fell pretty fucking short a lot of the time, but there really was something to the notion that we were always trying to get it better.

The Chinese are going to own the great power mantle from 2020 or 2025 onwards…and they stand for anything but justice and freedom.

I read Robert Kaplan saying back in 1999 that there was no guarantee that the United States as we know it would survive the 21st century…but I never truly believed that was likely until now.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 6:38:53pm

re: #27 Jenner7

As far as I’m concerned: McConnell, Chaffetz and Comey are traitors.

I’m lit.

I can’t believe this is happening.

Throw in Rudy Giuliani for good measure. His timing is absolutely suspicious and damning as fuck.

And these same people expect us to unify behind them. Uh-uh.

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:38:57pm

@Green_Footballs @DavidCornDC cry more faggot. Daddy Putin owns gay mutt boy obama

— Red Hat Army Captain (@RedHatArmyCapt) December 10, 2016

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Jenner7 Dec 9, 2016 • 6:39:09pm

Trump transition team still won’t accept Russian interference in election: ‘These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had WMDs.’ pic.twitter.com/viexx4WXku

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 10, 2016

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Dec 9, 2016 • 6:39:14pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

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With all of the reports of irregularities happening within voting precincts in so-called swing states, I’m really starting to wonder how many cases there might be of African-Americans who DID vote, but were subsquently stricken from the voting rolls.

HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2016 • 6:40:11pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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It should be the story of the century for this country honestly.

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:40:12pm

re: #41 lawhawk

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The GOP lies run deep. The denial runs even deeper.

There was a time when the GOP would have stood against what the Russians have done - and done the right thing. But Trump is no ordinary GOP and the GOP establishment isn’t the GOP of Eisenhower, let alone Reagan. They’ve put absolute power and control above all else, even when that power is owed to the Russians - the US rival throughout the 20th Century.

Actually eerie. Join or die.

Shiplord Kirel Dec 9, 2016 • 6:40:25pm

re: #46 Jenner7

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Grasping at straws. They’re busted.

HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2016 • 6:41:17pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Putin just owns Trump. Obama actually stands up to Putin while Trump fawns over him.

Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 6:41:25pm

Trump transition team still won’t accept Russian interference in election: ‘These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had WMDs.’ pic.twitter.com/viexx4WXku

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 10, 2016

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@kylegriffin1 Watch as the right wing parrot squad now starts repeating these talking points. https://t.co/AqsCNA5dxp

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2016 • 6:42:14pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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Even though many of them supported that same war. Fuck, this just pisses me off the more I think about it.

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:42:40pm

re: #46 Jenner7

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All he needs for the train drivers to believe.

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William Lewis Dec 9, 2016 • 6:43:27pm

re: #43 Scottishdragon

I mind quite a bit. I loved being part of the greatest power in the world that at least used to stand for justice and freedom. We fell pretty fucking short a lot of the time, but there really was something to the notion that we were always trying to get it better.

The Chinese are going to own the great power mantle from 2020 or 2025 onwards…and they stand for anything but justice and freedom.

I read Robert Kaplan saying back in 1999 that there was no guarantee that the United States as we know it would survive the 21st century…but I never truly believed that was likely until now.

As I’ve noted before, who would have thought that a woman raised in East Germany would become the leader of the Free World on 20 January 2016?

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:43:43pm

re: #46 Jenner7

Plus, I’m going to puke.

Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 6:46:03pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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There’s cognitive dissonance though (no shit sherlock)

So much of the base believes in the WMD.

Gah. I can’t.

Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 6:46:22pm

re: #43 Scottishdragon

I mind quite a bit. I loved being part of the greatest power in the world that at least used to stand for justice and freedom. We fell pretty fucking short a lot of the time, but there really was something to the notion that we were always trying to get it better.

The Chinese are going to own the great power mantle from 2020 or 2025 onwards…and they stand for anything but justice and freedom.

I read Robert Kaplan saying back in 1999 that there was no guarantee that the United States as we know it would survive the 21st century…but I never truly believed that was likely until now.

When my wife and I were in Poland last year, a woman we were talking to about American politics asked us why the hell we were going to return to the USA: In her opinion the nation was shortly doomed over its intractable divisions.

She was of the opinion we should have stayed in Poland, which considering Russia puting Iskander (SS-26) nuclear short-range missiles in Kaliningrad this week doesn’t seem so safe either.

Romantic Heretic Dec 9, 2016 • 6:46:55pm

re: #46 Jenner7

Actually the CIA never said that Iraq had WMD. Even the Bush Administration never said so, although they strongly implied it.

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:47:34pm

The Russia news makes Trump complaining about flag desecration especially rich.

— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) December 10, 2016

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Should anti-Trump protesters burn the Russian flag? https://t.co/XMCoB1cgXX

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 10, 2016

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I’m liking this idea.

HappyWarrior Dec 9, 2016 • 6:49:06pm

It’s really come to this. A foreign power interfered with our election and helped the election of the most unqualified person ever elected President. This should terrify every American but I suspect a lot won’t care because they hate Clinton and the left that much.

Mike Lamb Dec 9, 2016 • 6:49:20pm

re: #46 Jenner7

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They can’t do anything without lying…one of the biggest electoral college victories in history? C’mon man….

Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 6:49:34pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

@RedHatArmyCapt @Green_Footballs @DavidCornDC I don’t trust anyone who uses red and army together in their description.

— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) December 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 6:49:51pm

re: #42 JasonA

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Targetpractice Dec 9, 2016 • 6:50:18pm

Trump has Vlad to thank for putting him in the White House. The thing that he doesn’t get is that Vlad doesn’t share power, he doesn’t want an ally. He wants a subordinate, because only with the US out of the way can Russia begin to rebuild its former power base.

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:50:22pm

If only Republicans were as skeptical about Russia’s involvement in this elections as they are about California’s.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) December 10, 2016

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Jenner7 Dec 9, 2016 • 6:50:42pm

I see MSNBC is covering this, what about CNN or Fox? Anyone know?

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 6:50:53pm

re: #65 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ooooo

I like that one!

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 6:51:53pm

Laughter is the ~~best~~ only medicine…

In the center of the wasteland that was once America in 2017 should be a huge monument that just says “…BUT HER E-MAILS”

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) December 9, 2016

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@FrankConniff Yes, discredit the boycott by calling ANYONE who supports it neo-nazis. Worked well for you guys in the primaries + general.

— Cyphy the StarwarKin (@Cyphy3) December 9, 2016

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They’re not all neo-Nazis. Many are full-fledged Nazis. https://t.co/diVTdbfa1W

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) December 9, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 6:56:39pm

SeaWorld attendance is down. So are prices at Long John Silver’s. It’s all so obvious now.

— Bryan Miller (@realbryanmiller) December 7, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 6:56:47pm

re: #70 JasonA

Ooooo

I like that one!

I probably could have done a better job with Photoshop, but why give the Republicans that level of dignity?

jhncsy Dec 9, 2016 • 6:56:51pm

So, what now? Do we hope the electoral college does the right thing? Or do we hope the sitting president takes action?

FormerDirtDart Dec 9, 2016 • 6:57:44pm

Trump’s dick must be like the size of half a gherkin

Trump transition team still won’t accept Russian interference in election: ‘These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had WMDs.’ pic.twitter.com/viexx4WXku

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 10, 2016

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Secondary to the remarkable official disparagement of the CIA, but the claim about the size of his victory is a lie. https://t.co/W2Ks8FKpiS

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) December 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 6:58:51pm

re: #74 jhncsy

So, what now? Do we hope the electoral college does the right thing? Or do we hope the sitting president takes action?

I’m not putting much hope in the Electoral College, although it was designed to void an election in the event of something like this.

This could get really ugly.

retired cynic Dec 9, 2016 • 6:59:24pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s dick must be like the size of half a gherkin

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Doubt that sweet and crunchy….

thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:00:11pm

re: #76 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m not putting much hope in the Electoral College, although it was designed to void an election in the event of something like this.

This could get really ugly.

The thing of it is, voiding the election would have serious consequences. However, NOT voiding the election could have catastrophic consequences. What do you choose?

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:00:17pm

Totally OT, but the latest Rifftrax is fall down in your father-in-law’s lap drooling like a drunk narwhal funny (not that I ever needed an excuse to do that with my late great father-in-law — he practically invented modern day partying)

The star of Deadly Prey is like Rambo only far less adept at using syllables to form English words and phrases. https://t.co/EmknpaXhhC

— Michael J Nelson (@michaeljnelson) December 2, 2016

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Targetpractice Dec 9, 2016 • 7:00:29pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s dick must be like the size of half a gherkin

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That’s why his ego has its own gravitational pull, because it has to be that size to compensate.

teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 7:02:45pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s dick must be like the size of half a gherkin

Trump will sue you!

Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:02:52pm

re: #59 Anymouse

In her opinion the nation was shortly doomed over its intractable divisions.

That is where I am at now.

The wheels started coming off in 1995 and finally left completely by 2003, but it took 12 years to really recognize just what the hell had actually happened and how bad the damage was. By then, it was far too late to do anything about it.

We had a good run, and something may be saved. Or not. I am going to fucking try my damndest and I am not a quitter. That being said, we are on a prolonged downward trajectory typical of terminal phase imperial collapse and our internal divisions make meaningful large scale change utterly impossible at this point.

Case in point:

We have spent 8 years now fighting over letting Americans have affordable health care. Nearly every other major nation on earth has guaranteed health care for everybody!

But we cannot even do that. We cannot even agree that real, existing, working citizens should be able to have health care needed to live.

And that is partly because because very rich people pay obscene amounts of money to make sure we cannot agree.

However, it is also because our own founding character is hostile to group action needed to solve problems unless it can be bundled under patriotism needed to fight an external enemy. We Americans just don’t fucking like to help other people unless we do it through a church (Godly charity!) or they are neighbors and friends we know personally.

We love stories of some poor guy bootstrapping himself into success. Nobody wants to see the real story where he got a lot of fucking help on the way.

thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:02:56pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

That’s why his ego has its own gravitational pull, because it has to be that size to compensate.

I WAS IN THE POOL!

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 7:03:20pm

re: #73 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I probably could have done a better job with Photoshop, but why give the Republicans that level of dignity?

No no no. The roughness only adds to it.

Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 7:04:34pm

Trump Team Seeks Names of All People Who Worked on Various Climate Change Initiatives (goes to Huffington Post

This looks like a political witch hunt (likely designed to fire the specific individuals).

The request, a copy of which was first obtained by Bloomberg, specifically seeks the names of those who attended climate change meetings at the United Nations in the past five years and the names of Obama administration staffers who helped set a metric for calculating the social cost of carbon.

Unnamed employees at the DOE told The Washington Post that it seemed as if the Trump transition team was intentionally singling out individuals.

“It’s certainly alarming that they would be targeting specific employees in this way,” Michael Halpern, deputy director of the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists told Bloomberg. “Scientists are looking at this with some suspicion, because many of the people who have been chomping at the bit to dismantle federal climate change science programs are now deeply embedded in the transition.”

(more at HP)

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:04:38pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Just sayin’

JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 7:04:41pm

Trump thanks blacks for not voting: “The African-American community was great to us…they didn’t vote, & that was almost as good for me”

— Niraj Warikoo (@nwarikoo) December 10, 2016

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 7:05:34pm

Imagine, if you will, my surprise to see Glenn Greenwald spring to the defense of Wikileaks and Russia.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Lidane Dec 9, 2016 • 7:05:53pm

What pic.twitter.com/BGKnwziTbS

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) December 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 7:06:21pm

re: #78 thedopefishlives

The thing of it is, voiding the election would have serious consequences. However, NOT voiding the election could have catastrophic consequences. What do you choose?

Serious vs. Catastrophic. JFC.

I’d rather see what’s inside Mr. Burns’ Mystery Box…

makeitstop Dec 9, 2016 • 7:10:13pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

There’s cognitive dissonance though (no shit sherlock)

So much of the base believes in the WMD.

Gah. I can’t.

Really. They staked everything on the idea that Saddam had WMD.

But watch them drop it like it’s hot. No morals, no conscience, no consistency.

Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:10:19pm

@Olivianuzzi This press release is going into the history books. Holy shit.

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) December 10, 2016

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Targetpractice Dec 9, 2016 • 7:11:00pm

Trump continues to show the temperament that has led millions of Americans to wonder if we’re going to get through the next 4 years without a nuclear exchange.

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:11:53pm

Hard to believe Neil Postman’s book “Amusing Ourselves to Death” was published only eleven years ago.

Psych! It could have been published this week.

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:13:41pm

re: #92 Scottishdragon

Any sensationalized headline blaming Russia for “hacking” America is more than likely an old, biased person misunderstanding tech briefings.

— Alison Arkin (@Cronikeys) December 10, 2016

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How does the supposedly ancient Chinese curse go? Oh yeah, may she live in interesting times after graduating from state run vocational school.

thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:13:41pm

re: #90 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Serious vs. Catastrophic. JFC.

I’d rather see what’s inside Mr. Burns’ Mystery Box…

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Yeah. A strong chance of violent riots and potential militia-driven domestic terrorism attacks, balanced against the non-zero probability that Drumpf kicks off WWIII and gets all of our asses turned into nuclear fallout. Dafuq is this world coming to.

Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:14:16pm

I wonder how this compares to McCarthyism.

retired cynic Dec 9, 2016 • 7:16:07pm

re: #97 Belafon

I wonder how this compares to McCarthyism.

We’re trying to head it off!

De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:16:10pm

re: #97 Belafon

I wonder how this compares to McCarthyism.

Imagine drunk Joe with the nuclear codes, and then pour a stiff drink.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:17:10pm

@Cronikeys I think the word we are looking for to describe you is “seditionist”. yeah…that’s the one.

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) December 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Dec 9, 2016 • 7:17:58pm

They couldn’t go three sentences without lying. It’s truly incredible. I’m in awe of their dedication to being liars. pic.twitter.com/Lubtjc06p2

— Dan Amira (@DanAmira) December 10, 2016

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This statement makes a lot more sense when translated back into its original Russian. pic.twitter.com/DXIVhWpXei

— Karl Frisch (@KarlFrisch) December 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:18:21pm

So how long until we hear about direct communication between Paul Manafort and the Russian FSB?

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:19:24pm

re: #99 De Kolta Chair

Imagine drunk Joe with the nuclear codes.

Tailgunner Joe sure as fuck didn’t get support from Moscow.

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 7:19:28pm

re: #102 Scottishdragon

So how long until we hear about direct communication between Paul Manafort and the Russian FSB?

Recall General Flynn was sitting next to President Putin at the Russia Today party.

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JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 7:19:52pm

Appropriately at a restaurant in Grand Rapids serving this: pic.twitter.com/D4D2q1A0Mk

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) December 10, 2016

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 7:20:01pm

My wife wants to go out to eat, so I’ll catch y’all later.

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MsJ Dec 9, 2016 • 7:20:36pm

re: #15 De Kolta Chair

TPM headline: Key House GOPer Introduces Bill With Major Cuts To Social Security

Correction: Comfortably Rich Old Fart Who Judging By His Photo Won’t Live Out The Year Fucks Over His Fellow Olds.

Fuck these people!

Cutting more and more as people age. They’re not just starving granny, they’re pushing her to an early grave.

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Amory Blaine Dec 9, 2016 • 7:20:46pm

I would say this qualifies as a crisis. Whatever happens with this will be bad for us.

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Barefoot Grin Dec 9, 2016 • 7:22:29pm

re: #102 Scottishdragon

So how long until we hear about direct communication between Paul Manafort and the Russian FSB?

Yep, that fucker needs to go ~~to jail~~ under serious scrutiny.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 7:26:03pm

re: #102 Scottishdragon

So how long until we hear about direct communication between Paul Manafort and the Russian FSB?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rudy Giuliani agree to a plea deal in exchange for no jail time.

It can’t be emphasized enough that his actions today - pulling out of the running for SoS within hours of President Obama’s announcement - are incredibly damning. And he’s slimey enough to rat on his friends to his benefit.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 7:27:16pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

I would say this qualifies as a crisis. Whatever happens with this will be bad for us.

Yup. This is bad, really bad. Possibly worse than 1860.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:27:40pm

2016 only seems like a horrible year because you’re comparing it to PAST years.

— J. Elvis Weinstein (@JElvisWeinstein) December 9, 2016

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JasonA Dec 9, 2016 • 7:29:29pm

re: #112 De Kolta Chair

Okay, that’s not helping.

I’m gonna go squeeze my cat.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:30:06pm

I give up

Former Mets Manager Bobby Valentine May Be Trump’s Ambassador To Japan https://t.co/GwOmjZD9lp pic.twitter.com/LoyeybuNip

— Gothamist (@Gothamist) December 9, 2016

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thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:30:40pm

re: #114 De Kolta Chair

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Barefoot Grin Dec 9, 2016 • 7:30:59pm

re: #113 JasonA

Okay, that’s not helping.

I’m gonna go squeeze my cat.

I just put that into the google translate English—>Trump and came up with….

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 7:36:15pm

The Electoral College is a last line of defense against the subversion of US democracy, not a rubber stamp https://t.co/cHAfnEhNOp pic.twitter.com/TiZzE3LvC4

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 7:36:58pm

Bristol Palin announces she’s pregnant with her third child https://t.co/x2YDSt12pt pic.twitter.com/0TP1je2Ep9

— The Hill (@thehill) December 10, 2016

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Queen of Abstinence https://t.co/abr56NisWc

— ChampagnePetty (@__Dutch) December 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 7:37:59pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

The chance that the electoral college does the right thing is minuscule. GOPers don’t care about the subversion of US democracy.

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:38:29pm

I worry about pessimistic closure here (it’s like epistemic closer, only sadder). It sucks, and Trump and his followers are going to try to do crazy shit to damage things. But we still have Democrats in Congress, Obama about to be free from the bonds of the presidency, and each other. And there are a lot of people that won’t like the stuff like the Social Security changes. And there are plenty of people who won’t like the involvement with the Russians.

We are at a dangerous point, for sure. But we have to resist the urge to call it over and done. Even Chuck Schumer is fighting, and Democrats managed to get Republicans to pull the amendment that would have made it easy for Mattis to become SecDef. We are going to have to work together and fight this. There are a number of places where Republicans are counting on Democrats to bail them out. We have to back the Democrats so that they don’t have to be afraid of Republicans.

As for me, I will be going to a potluck on Monday night to meet the Democratic party here in my home town. I’m not a big crowd person, and part of me still wants to find a way not to go, but I have to now. It’s the only way to keep the worst from happening.

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thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:39:31pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

The chance that the electoral college does the right thing is minuscule. GOPers don’t care about the subversion of US democracy.

The EC has been a rubber stamp for so long, people don’t realize why we still have it. It’s because of shit like this, when Americans elect someone who is totally unfit for the office, that the electors are supposed to step in and save us from ourselves, but they won’t because electors these days are picked for party loyalty and not for intelligence.

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FormerDirtDart Dec 9, 2016 • 7:41:35pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

@thehill
Bristol Palin announces she’s pregnant with her third child

@__Dutch
Queen of Abstinence

Well, she is married , now…

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 7:42:37pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

The EC has been a rubber stamp for so long, people don’t realize why we still have it. It’s because of shit like this, when Americans elect someone who is totally unfit for the office, that the electors are supposed to step in and save us from ourselves, but they won’t because electors these days are picked for party loyalty and not for intelligence.

Party loyalty for Republicans means insisting that 2 + 2 = 5 if it is deemed politically useful to do so.

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Amory Blaine Dec 9, 2016 • 7:42:47pm

I mean hey, even Pope Francis is literally talking about eating shit.

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 7:44:06pm

re: #120 Belafon

It is not definitively over now, but it is genuinely alarming that there are so many different ways that threshold can be crossed in the next few years.

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 7:44:10pm

does this explain Elaine Chao’s left-field cabinet nomination? pic.twitter.com/u22v7Iongj

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) December 10, 2016

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:45:31pm

re: #120 Belafon

Also, for the rest of you, if you aren’t doing it, it might be good to go find other Democrats as well. Find out that there are other people willing to fight. Maybe you’re in a place where being a Democrat means you’ve got a decent amount of power. Me, where I’m located, I’m like the guys in Independence Day just sticking together until we figure out a plan to take them all down.

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Cheechako Dec 9, 2016 • 7:45:49pm

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

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jhncsy Dec 9, 2016 • 7:46:41pm

re: #110 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rudy Giuliani agree to a plea deal in exchange for no jail time.

It can’t be emphasized enough that his actions today - pulling out of the running for SoS within hours of President Obama’s announcement - are incredibly damning. And he’s slimey enough to rat on his friends to his benefit.

From your lips to God’s ear. I loath that fucker, but better a free Giuliani than a free Trump.

Hell, why not Pence, too? I hate him marginally less than the rest of Trump’s circle.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:47:05pm

re: #103 Scottishdragon

Tailgunner Joe sure as fuck didn’t get support from Moscow.

True, but he was great propaganda for them. Just ask Trump’s mentor, Roy Cohn.

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 9, 2016 • 7:47:28pm

re: #128 Cheechako

If we went by the popular vote, the EC safety valve would not be needed.

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 7:48:34pm

re: #128 Cheechako

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

I don’t recall too many affirmative arguments to the effect that the EC is a good thing here. We’re stuck with it, so there isn’t much point in whining about it. Trump’s claim of a mandate needs to be refuted with his popular vote loss and dinky EC margin.

Edited to add: the EC has never acted contrary to party hackitude in all US history, so the possibility that it does so now can be dismissed as exceedingly remote.

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retired cynic Dec 9, 2016 • 7:49:00pm

re: #128 Cheechako

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

Personally, I have been against it since 2000, when the popular vote winner was put down, shut out of recounts, and the supreme court did its thing. This year it is much more egregious.

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 9, 2016 • 7:49:08pm

re: #127 Belafon

Sending good vibes from California. (Surviver guilt, anyone?)

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 9, 2016 • 7:50:32pm

Must turn off phone now. Later, all. Resist!

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:51:19pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

It is not definitively over now, but it is genuinely alarming that there are so many different ways that threshold can be crossed in the next few years.

I agree. I’m definitely not trying to minimize the issue. I just worry that we’re feeding off of each other as we sit here, and not measuring against the real world.

I would also like to say that our skills could be useful in defeating all of this crap, whatever our various skills are. If nothing else, I can tell you that almost no one I talk to knows what it going on. I’m kind of hoping to figure out how to convince those that might have voted for Trump that they need to pay more attention to what is going on and hopefully influence what happens in 2018.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:51:43pm

re: #128 Cheechako

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

I have thought the EC needed to be canned for years…but that’s me.

We have never had an EC/popular vote this far out of sync…ever. Not even close.

Since we no longer have slaves and slave holding states holding onto that 3/5 compromise bit where they got to have extra speshul EC power…why the fuck do we still have an EC? It has been there all along propping up white power in old Dixie all the way through to the mid 1960’s when they finally let black folks start voting without the threat of being hanged by the neck or burned alive.

Whatever value it had as a check to populist threat has never been realized. If ever there was a time, it would be now.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:52:26pm

re: #127 Belafon

I hate to think it, but Trump has probably handed our governor, Andrew Cuomo, who I am not a fan of, a third term. But who knows, maybe this is what it takes for Andy to finally be a mensch?

All politics is local, and mensches are rarely politicians. ;-)

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allegro Dec 9, 2016 • 7:54:04pm

re: #128 Cheechako

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

I figure it’s the EC that got us into this mess. Looks to be the only thing to get us out of it.

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 7:54:19pm

re: #138 De Kolta Chair

I hate to think it, but Trump has handed our governor, Andrew Cuomo, who I am not a fan of, a third term. But who knows, maybe this is what it takes for Andy to finally be a mensch?

I was kind of worried about Schumer, and he probably would have been a lame Minority leader if Clinton had won, but he’s sounding like a fighter. Cuomo may do the same thing. I suspect he’ll act like the governor of California is acting.

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Odie Hugh Manatee Dec 9, 2016 • 7:55:09pm

Our daughter just let me know that she’s run across what she thinks is a new fake news site. Intrigued, I went and checked it out. After careful review and consideration I had to inform her that I’m pretty sure that the site is posting real news. She thinks that I might be right about this… what say you folks?

The line “WE TAKE THE TRUTH SERIOUSLY” convinced me that it’s real. :)

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lockjawcanbefun Dec 9, 2016 • 7:55:23pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

The Naked Gun ~”If I catch the guy who did it”

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Cheechako Dec 9, 2016 • 7:56:32pm

I was only pointing out what I perceived to be trends of the postings on LGF. I was not attempting to argue the pros/cons of the EC. The Ec is both good and bad depending on the circumstances. Right now, today, if the EC was implemented as designed by the framers of the Constitution, the end result could be very different.

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 7:57:03pm

re: #137 Scottishdragon

I have thought the EC needed to be canned for years…but that’s me.

We have never had an EC/popular vote this far out of sync…ever. Not even close.

Since we no longer have slaves and slave holding states holding onto that 3/5 compromise bit where they got to have extra speshul EC power…why the fuck do we still have an EC? It has been there along propping up white power in old Dixie all the way through to the mid 1960’s when they finally let black folks start voting without the threat of being hanged by the neck or burned alive.

Whatever value it had as a check to populist threat has never been realized. If ever there was a time, it would be now.

The only rational argument in favor of the EC that I’m aware of is that with a national popular vote, there would be an incentive for states that are under one party rule (e.g., TX to pick a non-random example) to generate more fake popular votes for a GOP presidential candidate than TX democrats could reasonably contest.

With the EC in place, there is no incentive for states under one-party rule to pad their popular vote margin via fraud.

This argument is sensible but I’m not persuaded by it. The disadvantages of the EC are too severe to accept.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 7:58:35pm

re: #141 Odie Hugh Manatee

Now that’s good truthiness!!!

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thedopefishlives Dec 9, 2016 • 7:59:48pm

re: #141 Odie Hugh Manatee

Our daughter just let me know that she’s run across what she thinks is a new fake news site. Intrigued, I went and checked it out. After careful review and consideration I had to inform her that I’m pretty sure that the site is posting real news. She thinks that I might be right about this… what say you folks?

The line “WE TAKE THE TRUTH SERIOUSLY” convinced me that it’s real. :)

I think it’s time to talk to her about the difference between fake news and satire, but then again, I should probably invoke the Iron Fist rule now. Night Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:02:27pm

I’ve never been a fan of the Electoral College, and this election is validating all my misgivings about it.

When the EC was created it was a necessary safeguard against the very real enemies of a young United States republic. But as the country has grown and evolved, it’s now a danger to the republic because it’s become a tool of people who know how to exploit it, through gerrymandering and voter ID and other methods.

It’s time to get back to “one person, one vote.”

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Amory Blaine Dec 9, 2016 • 8:02:46pm

Trump went out of his way to insult the CIA with that remark. Just like the insult of appointing a AGW denier to the EPA, or an education privatizing Tycoon as head of Education. Or a Labor guy that don’t like the minimum wage. He is deliberately insulting these institutions.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 8:05:17pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

“Books, the children of the brain.” — Jonathan Swift

;-)

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Kragar Dec 9, 2016 • 8:05:21pm

I highly recommend you check out Postmodern Jukebox

Santeria - Vintage ’40s Big Band Sublime Cover ft. Natalie Angst

Black Hole Sun - Postmodern Jukebox Vintage Cover ft. Haley Reinhart

Creep - Vintage Postmodern Jukebox Radiohead Cover ft. Haley Reinhart

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:06:35pm

Come at me with “The Washington Post is #fakenews,” say hello to my terrible swift block button.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 8:07:33pm

re: #148 Amory Blaine

Trump went out of his way to insult the CIA with that remark. Just like the insult of appointing a AGW denier to the EPA, or an education privatizing Tycoon as head of Education. Or a Labor guy that don’t like the minimum wage. He is deliberately insulting these institutions.

Trump and his supporters are primed to dislike the CIA simply because it has “Intelligence” in its name.

They are truly dedicated know-nothings.

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Citizen K Dec 9, 2016 • 8:07:45pm

I’ve been swinging back and forth between inconsolable despair and incoherent rage for the last couple of hours. I’m hoping I get to the this as a happy medium come tomorrow:

Foo Fighters - The Pretender

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:10:00pm

This is the strategist for John Kasich:

Russia committed a Pearl Harbor cyber attack on USA designed to put their favored person in the WH. We did nothing. Read that out loud.

— John Weaver (@JWGOP) December 10, 2016

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:12:04pm

re: #153 Citizen K

I’ve been swinging back and forth between inconsolable despair and incoherent rage for the last couple of hours. I’m hoping I get to the this as a happy medium come tomorrow:

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You can’t use your superpowers properly until you find that middle ground.

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:13:12pm

re: #154 Scottishdragon

This is the strategist for John Kasich:

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How do we work with people like this to prevent the major damage Trump and Company are going to try to do?

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 8:14:37pm

Holy TKO, Batman, just noticed that at the moment on the east coast Turner Classic Movies is showing a Myrna Loy flick, The Prizefighter and the Lady (1933), which features boxing legends Max Baer (singing!), Primo Carnera, Jess Willard, Jack Dempsey and James J. Jefferies. BBL.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:14:43pm

re: #156 Belafon

How do we work with people like this to prevent the major damage Trump and Company are going to try to do?

Good question.

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EPR-radar Dec 9, 2016 • 8:15:21pm

re: #156 Belafon

How do we work with people like this to prevent the major damage Trump and Company are going to try to do?

It’s difficult. For example, the never-Trump sentiment over at RedState is considerably muted these days because these fucknuts are in love with the wrecking crew Trump is proposing for his cabinet.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:16:11pm

Stolen idea: Anti-Trump protestors and members of the Resistance should burn the Russian flag.

— John Weaver (@JWGOP) December 10, 2016

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 8:17:04pm

Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

— digby (@digby56) December 10, 2016

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jhncsy Dec 9, 2016 • 8:17:41pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

It’s difficult. For example, the never-Trump sentiment over at RedState is considerably muted these days because these fucknuts are in love with the wrecking crew Trump is proposing for his cabinet.

And that’s the problem with the Republican party. Trump’s not unusual, he’s the head on a very ugly boil.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:18:15pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

It’s difficult. For example, the never-Trump sentiment over at RedState is considerably muted these days because these fucknuts are in love with the wrecking crew Trump is proposing for his cabinet.

The party over country contingent in GOP land is really, really prepared to go to the mat to keep power and reach their 1878 union busting, cops killing protesters and keeping those people away from the polls Nirvana.

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Amory Blaine Dec 9, 2016 • 8:20:31pm

Russia Hacked Republican Committee, U.S. Concludes

American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.

They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.

In the months before the election, it was largely documents from Democratic Party systems that were leaked to the public. Intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians gave the Democrats’ documents to WikiLeaks.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:21:07pm

@digby56 Trump is all things and in all things is Trump. Trump is my liegelord and master of all. Surely goodness and mercy I will receive.

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) December 10, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Dec 9, 2016 • 8:21:08pm

“winner take all” is not in the constitution: the vote if electoral votes were allocated proportionally. pic.twitter.com/c7iqsMq9p7

— Lessig (@lessig) December 9, 2016

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No state is really red or blue, all are some shade of purple. https://t.co/pczDcCJgYf

— Col. Morris Davis (@ColMorrisDavis) December 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 8:21:24pm

re: #150 Kragar

Prince’s “Creep” is breathtaking.

“Creep” - Prince at Coachella 2008 (Uploaded via Permission from Radiohead)

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Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 8:21:25pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Trump will sue you!

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I’m way behind, but that story was planted by John Barron.

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 8:21:25pm

When you have chapped lips from the cold and go to a Mexican restaurant, two pro tips:

a) Do not use the restaurant’s specially-made flaming inferno fiery hot sauce.
b) When your wife suggests after you howl in agony and start flapping your arms around, that you use her lip balm, don’t do it. It seals in the hot sauce.

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Jenner7 Dec 9, 2016 • 8:24:24pm

Russia hacked RNC and DNC but released no purloined GOP info, leading CIA to conclude that aim was to elect Trump. https://t.co/0HfJ3YSCLp

— Jonathan Weisman (@jonathanweisman) December 10, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 8:24:36pm

Well, I’m back. The human mind can only take so much bobbing and weaving, even when directed by the very talented W.S. Van Dyke. Needs more Myrna Loy, imho, and what doesn’t?

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 8:24:50pm

re: #169 Anymouse

Self-note for future reference: Use the lip balm first, then the hot sauce.

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 8:28:17pm

I’d like to offer a small correction to Trump’s earlier tweets about his business conflicts of interest. #divestdonald pic.twitter.com/vQDjy6PYkI

— Emoluments Clause (@EmolumentClause) November 26, 2016

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:29:25pm

Anti-vaccination crackpot tweets link to white supremacist to show me Washington Post is “fake news.” Say hello to my leetle block button.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:29:29pm

At Balloon Juice from a guy who does this stuff for a living:

Adam L Silverman says:
December 9, 2016 at 11:12 pm

@Yarrow: What is going to happen is the electors will select the President-elect. To be perfectly honest if they were to not do so and enough defected and voted for Governor Kasich to prevent the President-elect from getting 270 electoral votes, then the whole thing gets decided by the House. And to be honest, that opens a can of worms as to whether the House majority then selects the President-elect or picks someone else (my guess on the someone else would be Ryan). In either of these scenarios there would be violence.

Should enough flip and select Secretary Clinton, things would be even worse. There would be violence, but the House would immediately go to work on impeaching her and Kaine at the same time. And while the GOP Senate won’t get 60 votes for conviction, none of her nominations would get confirmed because the GOP would hope they could so pressure and embarrass and harass her into stepping down and Kaine as well, so that the Speaker would become President. So here too Ryan.

The last thing we want right now, as bad as things are going to be for a while, is for what’s left of our institutions to complete consume themselves. You want to see widespread violence directed at ethnic and religious minorities and immigrants and LGBTQ folks? Just have the electors do anything other than choose the President-elect.

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:31:05pm

What if “We the people” could pay reporters directly for their good work? The idea would be this: Have a place where say, Farenthold (?sp) could receive a little payment from each of us when he does the work he’s been doing. It wouldn’t have to be much if a lot of us contributed. Maybe set up a place where reporters submit news stories and we pay based on how much we like them.

Yes, you could end up with Hannity getting rich off of them. But that wouldn’t matter as long as the competent ones are getting rich as well.

No, it’s not completely thought out, but if say, a few thousand people paid only a dollar a story they liked, it would add up, and would give reporters incentive, and freedom. Yes, I know it’s a bit like a news subscription site, but it would be at the reporter level.

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:34:44pm

What happens when Trump goes after someone on Twitter: stunning detail in this @wpjenna story https://t.co/yT0mfr2ZC5

— Margaret Sullivan (@Sulliview) December 9, 2016

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Hey @jack, it’s incontrovertible that @realDonaldTrump is using Twitter to harass people. You’re one of few who can hold him accountable. https://t.co/N2ojhi3JgJ

— Anil Dash (@anildash) December 10, 2016

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Lidane Dec 9, 2016 • 8:35:43pm

Trump After ‘Lock Her Up’ Chants: ‘Plays Great Before the Election, Now We Don’t Care’ https://t.co/xH8qgSVg4t (VIDEO) pic.twitter.com/nVSeuebt0z

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) December 10, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Dec 9, 2016 • 8:36:49pm

Russia didn’t just hack the election to harm Democrats, they also retained the info needed to blackmail Republicans. https://t.co/tN3HIDNn0j pic.twitter.com/sRxRmGrnwN

— Frank-incensed (@goddamnedfrank) December 10, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 9, 2016 • 8:37:22pm

re: #127 Belafon

Also, for the rest of you, if you aren’t doing it, it might be good to go find other Democrats as well. Find out that there are other people willing to fight. Maybe you’re in a place where being a Democrat means you’ve got a decent amount of power. Me, where I’m located, I’m like the guys in Independence Day just sticking together until we figure out a plan to take them all down.

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:37:50pm

I’m all done arguing about “free speech” with ignorant jackasses who don’t understand the First Amendment.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 9, 2016 • 8:39:03pm

re: #128 Cheechako

Watching the Electoral College tide on LGF has been quite interesting. IIRC, before the election, many commentators were for the EC. After the election the comment tide seemed to shift to the position that the EC was out-dated and needed to be abolished. Now that trump has been proved to actually be an embarrassment and dangerous for the Country the tide seems to have shifted again to where the EC may be the last defense against the destruction of the Republic.

Am I remembering this correctly?

I remember a lot more discussion about open vs. closed primaries and caucuses—not that much about the EC—but I could be wrong (it has happened once or twice before in my life)//

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teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 8:39:04pm

This’ll put cream in my pops’ jeans. (sorry not sorry for the imagery)

Facebook Post

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 8:39:36pm

It’s always adorable when liberals pretend to be patriots. But it’s also kind of boring.@VitruvianMonkey @RadioFreeTom

— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) December 10, 2016

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Right now there are a lot of liberals a hell of a lot more patriotic than the conservatives who are excusing, and even shilling for, Russia. https://t.co/zyOoawS422

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) December 10, 2016

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Amory Blaine Dec 9, 2016 • 8:39:46pm

Drudge is calling the Washington Post article fake news.

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Stanley Sea Dec 9, 2016 • 8:39:59pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

The EC has been a rubber stamp for so long, people don’t realize why we still have it. It’s because of shit like this, when Americans elect someone who is totally unfit for the office, that the electors are supposed to step in and save us from ourselves, but they won’t because electors these days are picked for party loyalty and not for intelligence.

I wonder if the EC is reading their manuals.

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retired cynic Dec 9, 2016 • 8:40:06pm

re: #175 Scottishdragon

As if we don’t have violence now, and as Frank says, the Russians in control and with blackmail info on Trump and Republicans (probably).

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 8:40:34pm

Funny how Schlichter can’t address the point.

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:42:02pm

The Nazi and the Mystic

How Preston Wiginton Entered the Orbit of Alexander Dugin and Fought America

In 2 Threadshttps://t.co/eyLQFnHufd

— Ruxypin (@SkeddyRuxypin) December 10, 2016

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I thought people !digging hard at Spencer WN inviter so I dug a bit. (long)

@davebernstein @sarahkendzior @Green_Footballs @summerbrennan https://t.co/dM6BXaddRX

— Ruxypin (@SkeddyRuxypin) December 10, 2016

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 8:42:15pm

re: #180 BeachDem

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:45:42pm

I’m so old that I remember when the Republican party was the party of patriotism.

— David Frum (@davidfrum) December 10, 2016

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This is just one of many reasons why I ran away screaming from the GOP years ago. @davidfrum https://t.co/SLbOlUJ0RC

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 8:46:53pm

OK, the Electoral College now has the Emoluments Clause AND Russian interference to mull over before casting their votes.

— Boney Hurdle (@eclecticbrotha) December 10, 2016

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On the other hand, how many Republican electors are brave enough to rock the boat?

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De Kolta Chair Dec 9, 2016 • 8:48:13pm

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 8:48:44pm

re: #192 jaunte

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On the other hand, how many Republican electors are brave enough to rock the boat?

That one guy in Texas, and by the time the flying monkey brigade is done with him, he’ll either be removed or he’ll be shamed/scared/threatened into voting for Mr. Trump.

So, zero.

See also above, where my own state has a law on the books to remove an elector and disallow his or her vote if they vote any other way (and will be substituted).

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teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 8:49:33pm

re: #192 jaunte

On the other hand, how many Republican electors are brave enough to rock the boat?

I have no faith. GOP politicians on a federal level are craven opportunists and suffer sociopathy.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 8:50:42pm

re: #192 jaunte

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On the other hand, how many Republican electors are brave enough to rock the boat?

Are we brave enough to risk an armed uprising and people dead on the streets?

This is not a time for fair weather patriots. We should recognize what could happen, however.

I say we should do it, and deal with the violence when it happens. I could be one of the people affected if it comes to that. It isn’t like I have been hiding who I am in NC.

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 8:54:16pm

Exxon Mobil chief emerges as Donald Trump’s choice for secretary of state https://t.co/yiMBpaKCfg pic.twitter.com/FFDGmmqA5I

— The New York Times (@nytimes) December 10, 2016

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“The Russian government awarded Mr. Tillerson the country’s Order of Friendship decoration” … https://t.co/LKzzDjj7S7

— Richard Florida (@Richard_Florida) December 10, 2016

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It just keeps getting worse. https://t.co/cViimH7WDY

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Anymouse Dec 9, 2016 • 8:54:50pm

re: #196 Scottishdragon

Are we brave enough to risk an armed uprising and people dead on the streets?

This is not a time for fair weather patriots. We should recognize what could happen, however.

I say we should do it, and deal with the violence when it happens. I could be one of the people affected if it comes to that. It isn’t like I have been hiding who I am in NC.

I’m not exactly hiding who I am in Nebraska either, but I am hopelessly outnumbered. I suppose my wife can use her cane as a club.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 8:55:16pm

re: #184 jaunte

I would give Tom Nichols a lot of credit for beclowning Kurt Schlichter. But anyone with an IQ above 9 could beclown Kurt Schlichter.

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BeachDem Dec 9, 2016 • 8:55:47pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 8:56:45pm

re: #196 Scottishdragon

Are we brave enough to risk an armed uprising and people dead on the streets?

This is not a time for fair weather patriots. We should recognize what could happen, however.

I say we should do it, and deal with the violence when it happens. I could be one of the people affected if it comes to that. It isn’t like I have been hiding who I am in NC.

I know I would never handle a gun like Rage Furby, so there’s that.

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 8:57:12pm

As we reported right before his win, Manafort was in touch w Team Trump in final weeks, and made push for MI in memo https://t.co/9zm2N8pBOk

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 29, 2016

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Manafort is closely tied to Putin & left Trump camp after connections were exposed. It is very troubling that he helped w/ MI of all states. https://t.co/Bruv4pClZN

— Resistance DB (@davebernstein) November 30, 2016

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Read the whole thread. cc @MalcolmNance https://t.co/jAhtn48gqU

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) December 2, 2016

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BigPapa Dec 9, 2016 • 8:57:28pm

Banana Republic? Nyet.

Cartoon Confederacy.

We’re going down a rabbit hole that may be longer than 4 years.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 8:59:58pm

re: #203 BigPapa

Banana Republic? Nyet.

Cartoon Confederacy.

We’re going down a rabbit hole that may be longer than 4 years.

A Confederacy of 46% Dunces

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 9:01:46pm

I’ll say it: NYT interviewed Reid for this story. He said things contrary to the story. NYT discarded the interview. https://t.co/p39yXdu9Qq

— Adam Jentleson (@AJentleson) December 10, 2016

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This is Harry Reid’s deputy chief of staff. @AJentleson https://t.co/NxV5prh6yK

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 10, 2016

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Interesting Times Dec 9, 2016 • 9:02:08pm

We need to stop being so worried about the optics of our “Democracy”, since clearly we don’t have one anymore. @WhiteHouse

— ObamaOutAndMeToo (@theonlyadult) December 10, 2016

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The Ghost of a Flea Dec 9, 2016 • 9:02:45pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

Far be it from me to piss down the neck of David Frum, but—nope, the Republican Party was never really the party of patriots. It’s the party that re-defined patriotism to mean “compliance with our worldview, because we are the real Americans.” To the extent that they performed “patriotism” it was of a martial-posturing, triumphalist variety that deliberately excluded Americans that didn’t fit a trite, artificial version of 1950s “normality” that was all nostalgia, no substance. Reagan peddled a genteel version of this which has mutated over time…into the post-9.11 assertion that dissent was succor for terrorism…and the current “patriotism,” in which an authoritarian social conservative Russia is granted more respect than “liberal elitist” parts of the USA is a direct extension.

GOP “patriotism” has for a long dovetailed with the GOP bestiary of The Wrong Kinds of Americans—hippies, angry minorities, welfare queens, New Yorkers. We’re just at the point that it’s erupted as a visible, oozing sore, such that no one can deny the underlying infection.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 9:04:33pm

re: #196 Scottishdragon

We’re headed in that trajectory, especially if the US tries to punish California and New York if they actually secede.

Remember when the civil war started, everyone thought that it would be over in a matter of weeks, that the Union would pound the Confederacy into submission.

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Eclectic Cyborg Dec 9, 2016 • 9:04:36pm

#Trumpachristmassong

It came upon a midnight tweet

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teleskiguy Dec 9, 2016 • 9:06:21pm

MP3 Audio

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Joe Bacon Dec 9, 2016 • 9:06:36pm

re: #13 Scottishdragon

From downstairs.

We happen to be more polarized now than anytime since 1865 according to several historians I have read. Maybe your analysis differs.

As I see it, the country is coming apart and we cannot even discuss what is wrong because half of the populace listens to or reads propaganda designed specifically to promote ignorance, fear and anger.

Also, we are now in a scenario similar to that of Athens at the end of the Peloponnesian War where every battle had to be won…or the war is lost. Trump and his cabinet pick and actions are demonstrating that. Everything…everything gained under the last 45 years may be erased in the next 4.

What do we do when basic civil liberties come under sustained attack? Trump has threatened freedom of speech quite specifically. The newspaper owned by his son in law published an op-ed urging federal investigation of protesters nationwide. We are looking at a likely wholesale ideological purge of the federal workforce…and that is something they bragged about last July!

What do Democratic states start doing at that point when their own laws get over-ridden by Trump? Nullification?

The essential myth of this country…that you can do anything and be anything as long as you work hard and play by the rules…has been thrown away and trashed. Our founding contradictions of “All men are created equal” and “White lives tend to matter a hell of a lot more than others” (among other things) are not being resolved.

Not. Being. Resolved.

I don’t believe they will be. Not after what we have seen this last year and these last few weeks especially.

We are coming apart. We are displaying signs of terminal imperial collapse. And people are being well paid to make it happen.

After that, the questions really do become easy: Do wealthy states like New York and California cut ties to save themselves?

Scot, I’m hearing more and more talk here in Los Angeles about Calexit...I’ve never been so fucking scared in my life!

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Charles Johnson Dec 9, 2016 • 9:07:10pm

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

I’ve been pissing down David’s neck for years. Believe me, he doesn’t even notice.

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BeachDem Dec 9, 2016 • 9:07:13pm

re: #202 jaunte

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One of the most interesting tweets in that thread, especially considering that they shut down the MI recount and that there were many issues with Detroit voting machines.

@immaris @davebernstein @maggieNYT @BW @JoyAnnReid MI SoS Ruth Johnson (main election overseer) ran w/ Dick DeVos on his failed run for Gov

— #RiseUp (@dkisabeth) December 6, 2016

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 9:07:43pm

Is Russia Preparing For War With US? President Trump Will Respond To Putin!: https://t.co/Ql4jj6B3uO via @YouTube

— Culture Shock News (@CultureShock365) December 10, 2016

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Fake News. Block & tackle folks. https://t.co/Qc9ROWYYog

— Anne Bolynn (@RedAnneBolynn) December 10, 2016

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Block early and often.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 9:08:33pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

David Frum was alive in 1865?

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Joe Bacon Dec 9, 2016 • 9:09:21pm

re: #22 Scottishdragon

Additional note:

When empires collapse...they tend to go with shocking swiftness.

I remember when Chris Hedges met with East German dissidents who told him that they believed that the Berlin Wall would fall in about 10 years…and it fell the very next week!

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 9:11:07pm

@Cronikeys You’re the one fluffing Putin, sweetie. Own it. This is on you.

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) December 10, 2016

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Interesting Times Dec 9, 2016 • 9:12:44pm

2008: “I can see Russia from my house!”

2016: “I can see Russia in the White House!”

— Andrea Chalupa (@AndreaChalupa) December 10, 2016

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 9:15:06pm

Wait was the whole election a proxy battle between the FBI and the CIA that the FBI won?

— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) December 10, 2016

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CIA should’ve done more to appeal to the white working class. https://t.co/CZO005raoV

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) December 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 9:15:43pm

re: #22 Scottishdragon

Additional note:

When empires collapse...they tend to go with shocking swiftness.

Couple that with this piece on noted futurist Johan Galtung, who may be a little bit conservative in his estimates…

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 9:15:50pm

I didn’t think I would live long enough to see the FBI helping the Russians stage a coup.

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The Ghost of a Flea Dec 9, 2016 • 9:16:11pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

I’ve been pissing down David’s neck for years. Believe me, he doesn’t even notice.

I swear on the bones of the Robot Pope, there is an actual niche industry of writing articles about how the GOP is obviously fucked up, but it’s not anyone’s fault and totally happened randomly (ia ia Ronald Reagan fthagn) and nobody’s to blame, especially not clever wealthy people who read the NYTimes but love tax cuts more than civil liberties.

Presumably there is a complementary service job feeding those people posset and milquetoast while stroking their hair as they read David Brooks’ latest excretion, just to maximum their comfort level as they’re told they’re super special and clever and Serious Political Thinkers Who Aren’t Like Those Angry Rabble, not motherfuckers who keep making the same fucking Faustian bargain every two years.

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Scottishdragon Dec 9, 2016 • 9:19:00pm

re: #220 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Couple that with this piece on noted futurist Johan Galtung, who may be a little bit conservative in his estimates…

I read that a couple of days ago. I really need to see some more of his work.

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Interesting Times Dec 9, 2016 • 9:19:51pm

@TheRickWilson someone needs to call for a total &complete shut down of electoral college until our reps can figure out what is going on

— Janice Sherman (@jsherman39) December 10, 2016

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jaunte Dec 9, 2016 • 9:20:20pm

Interesting SSL error on the @realDonaldTrump transition website https://t.co/8LHXxYPZog … pic.twitter.com/Kas2Yd1u07

— Steve Ragan (@SteveD3) December 10, 2016

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Dave In Austin Dec 9, 2016 • 9:26:50pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 9, 2016 • 9:32:31pm

re: #221 jaunte

I didn’t think I would live long enough to see the FBI helping the Russians stage a coup.

You couldn’t pitch it as a movie… no one would believe it.

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Belafon Dec 9, 2016 • 9:41:03pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

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That’s a great observation. I’ll be using that on people.

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makeitstop Dec 9, 2016 • 11:01:35pm

re: #208 Myron Falwell (no relation)

We’re headed in that trajectory, especially if the US tries to punish California and New York if they actually secede.

I really don’t see either state seceding. What I would do if Trump cut off aid to sanctuary cities as he’s threatened to do, NY and CA should announce that all federal taxes collected by each state will be put in escrow until such time as Donald Trump is no longer president.

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