Twitter Restores White Supremacist Leader Richard Spencer’s Account, and Verifies Him

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Well, dear readers, I have to admit I feel like a chump for congratulating Twitter for shutting down a series of neo-Nazi and white supremacist accounts.

Because today they restored the account of one of the worst white supremacist leaders, Richard Spencer.

And they didn’t just restore his account. He has a verified checkmark.

I don’t even know what to say at this point. The world has gone nuts.

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:13:09pm

How come you always see Republicans with their mouths pulled down, and their chin balled up, like the photo of DT to the right, on “Man Who Bailed Out….”? Do they think it hides a double chin? Makes them look manly? I just wonder what the heck is going on that they think it makes them look serious, rather than like a baby who just pooped a diaper.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:15:20pm

Twitter just committed suicide tonight. I will not shed a tear when they go down in a ball of flames.

And I HAVE a Twitter account.

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Citizen K  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:16:03pm

It makes you wonder what it takes to get people actually properly banned. And makes laughable all those asshats who rage about Twitter ‘stifling free speech’. You can literally be an avowed white supremacist and get Twitter to kowtow back to you and give you a checkmark like a real important person.

Remember that. Twitter bends knee to literal fucking nazis.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:17:01pm

re: #1 retired cynic

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:18:46pm

re: #4 jaunte

I just don’t think I’ve ever made that face in my life. I just tried, and it won’t go there!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:25:03pm

SNL starts in 5 mins.

Anticipate King Cheeto meltdown in 15.

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:29:10pm

I’ll try and lighten things up. This video is darkly funny.

Literal Bohemian Rhapsody

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:35:49pm

Patton Oswalt:

This fucking election. Fucking Trump.

These newest revelations, that Russia hacked the election. Piles of evidence, teetering up to the sky. That Russia ALSO hacked the RNC and are holding them over a barrel because of what they know. Which would be hilarious if it wasn’t so frightening.
And the boiling chaos that’s resulting from it. I’ve got conservative friends actually DEFENDING Russia on this. I’ve got progressive friends gloating that we’ve finally had done to us what we’ve done to other countries. That Hillary somehow deserves this. That WE somehow deserve this. That infuriating cliche about, “It’s actually GOOD ifTrump destroys everything it’ll start a revolution BLAH BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH…”

And in the middle of it all is Trump — bloated, grinning, oblivious, wearing his cheap baseball cap and ruining people’s lives with his Twitter. While all around him — smarter, better, exhausted people scramble around, trying to sweep up a china shop he keeps stumbling through, laughing the whole time at these stupid nerds picking up the broken pieces on the ground. Losers. Weak.
Trump doesn’t spread evil. He doesn’t even spread chaos. Evil and chaos are beyond his abilities.

He spreads MEDIOCRITY. And anyone who gets near him gets dragged into the same sloppy, tossed-off, first-draft shitscape he lives in.

Except this time, it’s the entire country who got too close to him. We’re about to become, as a nation, as garish and pathetic as one of his hotel suites. Balsa wood under gold spray paint. A chandelier over a toilet. Knock-off Haviland and Parlon china on which to serve a Big Mac. And the people MAKING the Big Macs getting screwed, stripped and exploited while the predators high-five on their private jets.

In nine days the electors make their choice. Let’s hope they choose to save us from our grope-y, racist uncle who just won $50,000 playing scratch-offs.
huffingtonpost.com

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:37:41pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:40:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:42:19pm

re: #10 jaunte

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It’s all about power to these assholes.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:43:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:45:59pm

re: #12 jaunte

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It’s such an insultingly stupid argument.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:46:32pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

It’s an excuse for not getting off the couch.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:49:29pm

I think Twitter disproportionately has libertarian dudebros manning the weekend shift, that’s when it tends to make the worst decisions. Spencer may well end up getting resuspended on Monday when the adults return to work.

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retired cynic  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:50:05pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I think Twitter disproportionately has libertarian dudebros manning the weekend shift, that’s when it tends to make the worst decisions. Spencer may well end up getting resuspended on Monday when the adults return to work.

Good God, I hope so.

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freetoken  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:51:00pm

re: #2 Myron Falwell (no relation)

re: #3 Citizen K

I make little use of Twitter, save for promoting LGF and associated posters.

To me, Twitter is like a giant wall upon which there is an endless stream of graffiti written. Most of it is just noise, some is informational, while some of the scribbles are obnoxious.

Twitter is in the business of making the millennia old habit of gossip into digital profits.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:51:15pm
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jaunte  Dec 10, 2016 • 8:56:53pm
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Citizen K  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:01:06pm

re: #17 freetoken

I make little use of Twitter, save for promoting LGF and associated posters.

To me, Twitter is like a giant wall upon which there is an endless stream of graffiti written. Most of it is just noise, some is informational, while some of the scribbles are obnoxious.

Twitter is in the business of making the millennia old habit of gossip into digital profits.

I’ve been using it more and more as a venting space for things since the election, but there’s no ignoring the fact that it enables a bunch of shitheels by simply refusing to enforce their own ToS. I used to frequent another place before that pretty much had the same ‘hands off’ moderating that enabled all the worst of the trolls, and because of their loosened rules, most of the people suspended ended up either the most and absolutely most blatantly offensive idiots…or the people calling out trolls for being toxic instead.

I lingered long as I could while mostly lurking there but the election pretty much was the breaking point as the right-wing trolls ended up fully taking over in toxic exultant fervor. With the usual dash of persecution complex still thrown in about how the entire board was a massive ‘left-wing circlejerk’ despite 90% of the posts ending up being the same 15 wingnut assholes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:01:22pm

Saw Arrival. M Night Shamawhatever finally made a great movie.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:04:33pm
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Citizen K  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:05:29pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

Saw Arrival. M Night Shamawhatever finally made a great movie.

I know Sixth Sense is kinda played out now, but Unbreakable is still good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:06:17pm

re: #23 Citizen K

I know Sixth Sense is kinda played out now, but Unbreakable is still good.

One of Bruce Willis’ most underrated films IMO.

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Lidane  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:06:28pm

re: #9 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The full sketch, in case anyone missed it:

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Scottishdragon  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:08:16pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

Saw Arrival. M Night Shamawhatever finally made a great movie.

Arrival was not from M. Night Shyamalan.

Arrival was directed by Denis Villeneuve who also directed the outstanding Sicario.

He has just finished primary filming on the sequel to Blade Runner.

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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:08:54pm

In the minority here, but I like most of M. Night’s movies.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:10:04pm

Again:

M. Night Shyamalan DID NOT DIRECT ARRIVAL!!!!

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Scottishdragon  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:11:49pm

re: #27 Jenner7

In the minority here, but I like most of M. Night’s movies.

I really liked Signs, and Devil and The Visit were fun.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:11:53pm

re: #23 Citizen K

Indeed!

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freetoken  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:12:34pm

Has anyone here used Google Domains?

domains.google

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:16:02pm

re: #28 Scottishdragon

Again:

M. Night Shyamalan DID NOT DIRECT ARRIVAL!!!!

Argh I can’t believe I said he did. It was Dennis Villenueve. Must be delerious. Haven’t eaten since this morning.

I NEED PIE.

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:17:40pm

re: #26 Scottishdragon

Arrival was not from M. Night Shyamalan.

Arrival was directed by Denis Villeneuve who also directed the outstanding Sicario.

He has just finished primary filming on the sequel to Blade Runner.

I watched Sicario for the second time the other day. It’s a brilliant movie. The first time I had no idea what was going on, just like the protagonists. The second time, knowing what was going on but still watching them operating in the dark gave it a different feel. Really cool.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:20:20pm

re: #31 freetoken

I haven’t but interesting price breakdown and domain options. I got to say having a website ending in .ninja sounds pretty freaking cool.

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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:22:51pm

I feel like we’ve had this M.Night convo before…..

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Anymouse  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:23:51pm

Still on my fact-finding mission as my village’s new vice-mayor. We’re stopped in Winnemucca, Nevada tonight.

My wife and I drove through town on the main boulevard taking note of all the casinos, bars, and other purveyors of vice.

When I get home, I have something new to troll my Republican elected county prosecutor/employed village attorney: In addition to my private E-mail server (throughout the election I kept noting to him and the village board before meetings that I’d not been arrested for my private E-mail server), I can ask how to properly apply for travel expenses for a fact-finding mission on how to learn about vice for the job of vice-mayor. (::

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:25:14pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:26:38pm

re: #35 Jenner7

I feel like we’ve had this M.Night convo before…..

And I could swear I had seen Arrival already, then realized I had read the short story on which it’s based, and my brain was somehow mixing the new flick up with the Charlie Sheen movie *The* Arrival.

.

Maybe more coffee is in order.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:26:44pm

re: #36 Anymouse

Still on my fact-finding mission as my village’s new vice-mayor. We’re stopped in Winnemucca, Nevada tonight.

My wife and I drove through town on the main boulevard taking note of all the casinos, bars, and other purveyors of vice.

When I get home, I have something new to troll my Republican elected county prosecutor/employed village attorney: In addition to my private E-mail server (throughout the election I kept noting to him and the village board before meetings that I’d not been arrested for my private E-mail server), I can ask how to properly apply for travel expenses for a fact-finding mission on how to learn about vice for the job of vice-mayor. (::

Somebody’s discussing expenditures in executive session, I see!
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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:28:26pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:31:10pm

Reliving childhood memories by playing Sim City Classic on archive.org.

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Anymouse  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:33:48pm

re: #39 Sherlock Hound

Somebody’s discussing expenditures in executive session, I see!
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Well, I can also see about my wife getting a sinecure, as I needed her to identify vice for me when she saw it. (This goes back to a Russian trying to pick her up for 300 roubles when we were in Gdansk last year. FYI, she turned him down, as she was somewhat insulted by an offer that translated to $5.23.)

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electrotek  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:34:39pm

I know it’s from Shaun King but what Allen West did has gone too far, and he needs to be suspended from Facebook for advocating genocide.

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Lidane  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:36:24pm

So I had some anonymous idiot online try to tell me I was being paranoid about the Russian hacks of the election and they tried to pass on a “thoughtful and well-informed” article to pacify me. It was by Glenn Greenwald.

I’m not pacified. At all. If anything, I unloaded on that idiot.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:38:54pm

re: #43 electrotek

I know it’s from Shaun King but what Allen West did has gone too far, and he needs to be suspended from Facebook for advocating genocide.

I’m old enough to remember when RWNJs wanted to draft Allen West for President.

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thecommodore  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:39:19pm

I’ve seen attempts on rwnj message boards to say Ted Kennedy’s reaching out to Andropov for help in dealing with the 84 - which he evidently never responded to - is the same as what Putin did inthis recent election.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:47:44pm

re: #46 thecommodore

I’ve seen attempts on rwnj message boards to say Ted Kennedy’s reaching out to Andropov for help in dealing with the 84 - which he evidently never responded to - is the same as what Putin did inthis recent election.

The whole scene is to justify & deny.

Non American’s. Zero pledge to democracy.

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:56:34pm
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electrotek  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:57:29pm

re: #45 Myron Falwell (no relation)

And this “apology”, WTF?

Facebook Post

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:57:45pm
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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2016 • 9:58:09pm
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Anymouse  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:03:50pm

G’night y’all. Tomorrow we strike out for the People’s Republic of California.

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thecommodore  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:05:56pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

The whole scene is to justify & deny.

Non American’s. Zero pledge to democracy.

These people live on false equivalencies.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:07:58pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

The whole scene is to justify & deny.

Non American’s. Zero pledge to democracy.

Reading the dodging and weaving tweets from conservatives (and far lefties) on Twitter is infuriating. We all know they’d be calling for heads on platters if the winner of the election had been a Democrat, but “their guy” won, so their attitude is “no big deal.”

Labeling them as traitors is a good first step. There is nothing normal about accepting foreign interference in our national elections as “no big deal.” For all their bluster about American exceptionalism, the right sure seem willing to conveniently forget all the City on the Hill shit when it comes to retaining power.

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:27:43pm

The Obama Administration has, in many ways, departed from the heavy-handed positions taken in previous administrations. A notable counter-example would obviously be Libya, but the justifications for that particular action outweighs the negatives.

Not all US administrations are alike. The most egregious violations of sovereignty in regards to internation relations have been done away with.
To then say, ‘but the US has done some awful things over the years’ (while true) ‘so it seems like justice that some power should return the favour’ ignores two main points.

1) Obama has relied more on soft power and diplomacy than his predecessors; to lay the blowback for centuries of US interventialism at his door is fucking unfair but also exactly what you’d expect from the racists who have been trying to tear him down from the first day; and
2) The author of these troubles is in no way democratic. Russia is an expansion-driven autocracy which seeks to undermine the strength of the US and Europe so that it might pursue territorial gains.

Fuck this shit.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:28:42pm
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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:32:34pm

re: #56 BeachDem

The article itself deals with the issue of out-group identy better but wtf is it with AP and their fucking headlines?

I’ve had a few absinthes. Is it showing?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:36:35pm

re: #49 electrotek

And this “apology”, WTF?

My head hurt after reading that. Wow.

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William Lewis  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:40:30pm

re: #57 Alyosha

Absinthe is appropriate in these days of les fleurs du mal.

All I know is that I don’t work tomorrow and won’t have my son over ( his fault but I’ll still miss him) so i expect to have a nice little binge in honor of the election and the Russian coup.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:45:08pm

re: #57 Alyosha

The article itself deals with the issue of out-group identy better but wtf is it with AP and their fucking headlines?

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I’ve had a few absinthes. Is it showing?

Not at all (wish I had had the same)

Too bad, so sad that the poor misunderstood Klan doesn’t want to be known as white supremacists. If the fucking sheet fits, wear it.

WORDS MATTER—AP and other sycophant media assholes.

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electrotek  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:46:41pm

re: #58 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Mine too.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:50:01pm

re: #57 Alyosha

The article itself deals with the issue of out-group identy better but wtf is it with AP and their fucking headlines?

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I’ve had a few absinthes. Is it showing?

I’m wondering if the AP played a role in the election tampering. Remember that deceptive tweet about the Clinton Foundation that took forever to be retracted?

Plus the AP is not on Alex Jones’ Ultimate Fake News List.

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:51:14pm

re: #59 William Lewis

Absinthe is appropriate in these days of les fleurs du mal.

All I know is that I don’t work tomorrow and won’t have my son over ( his fault but I’ll still miss him) so i expect to have a nice little binge in honor of the election and the Russian coup.

I’m sorry about what happened with your son. But when he said he ‘had the memory of that joy’ at his actions, it kind of made a sad sense. Similar to the inmates of ‘The House of the Dead’. Transgressions that lead to greater punishments were common merely in the misguided view that they constituted a ‘change of fortune’.
He sounds like deep soul. Sending good vibes :)

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 10:53:49pm

re: #62 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m wondering if the AP played a role in the election tampering. Remember that deceptive tweet about the Clinton Foundation that took forever to be retracted?

Plus the AP is not on Alex Jones’ Ultimate Fake News List.

I wouldn’t say ‘tampering’ as such, but there was ample evidence of amateur negligence. And that’s me being charitable.

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:00:31pm

re: #62 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Heh, beneath AP in suggestions on who to follow is Russia Today. So maybe the algorithms are seeing something I am not.

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Alyosha  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:01:37pm

Okay, Iron Fist rule in effect. Back to lurking.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:14:08pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:37:26pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

I don’t think that’s funny at all.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:52:03pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

I don’t think that’s funny at all.

Would you like me to take it down for you?

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:54:35pm

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:55:33pm

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Would you like me to take it down for you?

You can do whatever you want.

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teleskiguy  Dec 10, 2016 • 11:58:27pm

This ain’t my site, but I’ll gladly call out stupid shit when I see it. If you want to take said stupid shit down because of what I said, that’s your business.

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teleskiguy  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:03:12am

And now, speaking of George Carlin, let’s get dirty!

Five Twos

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Lupin  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:45:41am

re: #59 William Lewis

Absinthe is appropriate in these days of les fleurs du mal.

History has rightly vilified Marshall Petain’s so-called Vichy regime. I would urge you all to read William Shirer’s FALL OF THE THIRD REPUBLIC to understand how France got there. The parallels with our country’s recent history are rather striking.

Now, we have our own puppet regime created by loathsome reactionary forces (Bannon is a good equivalent of Pierre Laval) supported by a hostile foreign power using an old doddering yet still charismatic fool as puppet head.

Is it too early to refer to Americans as “burger-eating surrender monkeys”?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:00:02am

re: #74 Lupin

History has rightly vilified Marshall Petain’s so-called Vichy regime. I would urge you all to read William Shirer’s FALL OF THE THIRD REPUBLIC to understand how France got there. The parallels with our country’s recent history are rather striking.

Now, we have our own puppet regime created by loathsome reactionary forces (Bannon is a good equivalent of Pierre Laval) supported by a hostile foreign power using an old doddering yet still charismatic fool as puppet head.

Is it too early to refer to Americans as “burger-eating surrender monkeys”?

“Collapse of the Third Republic” is an outstanding - and underrated - tome.

I would suggest “cheeseburger-eating surrender monkeys” to describe the GOP and Trump voters.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:00:45am

re: #74 Lupin

History has rightly vilified Marshall Petain’s so-called Vichy regime. I would urge you all to read William Shirer’s FALL OF THE THIRD REPUBLIC to understand how France got there. The parallels with our country’s recent history are rather striking.

Now, we have our own puppet regime created by loathsome reactionary forces (Bannon is a good equivalent of Pierre Laval) supported by a hostile foreign power using an old doddering yet still charismatic fool as puppet head.

Is it too early to refer to Americans as “burger-eating surrender monkeys”?

You mean The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940, I think.

ADDENDUM: I’ve read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich twice: once while I was still in high school and again many years later, but not the work about the Third Republic. I’ve added it to my Kindle wish list.

From my other perusal of WWII histories, France in the 1930s had problems similar to France of the mid-1910s: Factional disputes among its political leaders, and a military still entrenched (pun intended) in 19th century tactics and command structure. Both times, Germany caught France unawares, because both Kaiser Wilhelm and Adolf Hitler threw away the old rulebook for waging war as “gentlemen” and played dirty.

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Lupin  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:08:00am

re: #76 wheat-dogg

You mean The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940, I think.

Yes, apologies to all, I was quoting from (imperfect) memory.

Except for the detailed battle plans which were frankly beyond me, I found the book hugely informative and there are many parallels with what has happened here, to similarly lead us to our own soon-to-be-inaugurated Vichy regime.

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Lupin  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:09:22am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

“Collapse of the Third Republic” is an outstanding - and underrated - tome.

I would suggest “cheeseburger-eating surrender monkeys” to describe the GOP and Trump voters.

I thought “cheetos-eating” as another possibility.

But “cheeseburger-eating surrender monkeys” (or CBESM for short) is right on the dot.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:16:58am

re: #77 Lupin

Yes, apologies to all, I was quoting from (imperfect) memory.

Except for the detailed battle plans which were frankly beyond me, I found the book hugely informative and there are many parallels with what has happened here, to similarly lead us to our own soon-to-be-inaugurated Vichy regime.

Reload my comment above for an addendum.

Shirer’s historical works are peerless. Being the midst of all that strife and warfare gave his writing an immediacy and drama few historians can achieve, and his attention to detail is astonishing.

I should probably read his biography of Hitler, too.

Did you catch the recent news that an amateur historian uncovered in primary sources the drug addiction across the Third Reich’s military and leadership, including Hitler? Professional historians are figuratively smacking themselves in the forehead for missing what was in plain sight, if you only knew what you were looking at.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:24:55am

This is the third report of terrorism in a Muslim country in the last 24 hours, if I am not mistaken.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:36:25am

So, is this “economic anxiety” in Austria?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:43:09am

re: #81 wheat-dogg

So, is this “economic anxiety” in Austria?

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It could be to an extent; far-right politics is typically anti-globalization and it employs xenophobic rhetoric as part and parcel of their anti-globalization ideology. Fear of “foreigners taking our jobs!!” is easy to use - and exploit - and it dovetails nicely with the overall weltanschauung of extreme right-wing politics.

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freetoken  Dec 11, 2016 • 3:30:05am

The Trump epoche is an age of ugliness.

Anti-ugliness:

Barbirolli conducts Delius - Irmelin Prelude

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 3:39:01am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

It could be to an extent; far-right politics is typically anti-globalization and it employs xenophobic rhetoric as part and parcel of their anti-globalization ideology. Fear of “foreigners taking our jobs!!” is easy to use - and exploit - and it dovetails nicely with the overall weltanschauung of extreme right-wing politics.

Yes, it’s a common theme in both the USA and Europe, just as the West faces a huge refugee crisis. Trying to convince these people that refugees are not going to take jobs away from local people — how can they, since most refugees cannot speak the local language or have the necessary qualifications? — is doomed to fail, because the *real* reason for rejecting refugees is bigotry, pure and simple. And here in the USA, which has pledged to admit only a tiny fraction of the refugees Germany has already accepted, you would think there is a vast, teeming wave of refugees ready to take away American jobs, shut down churches, convert the young, and destroy White Amurrika forever. It’s xenophobia with an extra rich layer of fear.

I’ve been reading the story of Nujeen Mustapha, the Kurdish teenager confined to a wheelchair who trekked with her sister from Aleppo to Germany. The people who are really dangerous are not the refugees but the people smugglers and townspeople who treat the refugees worse than cattle, exploiting their desperation to line their own pockets. Maybe a tiny minority of refugees are troublemakers, but sadly that is true of human populations in general.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 3:42:23am

And I think I may have finally licked this cold I’ve been fighting since Tuesday. Still can’t talk normally, but I don’t feel like crap warmed over.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 4:31:37am

re: #79 wheat-dogg

Did you catch the recent news that an amateur historian uncovered in primary sources the drug addiction across the Third Reich’s military and leadership, including Hitler? Professional historians are figuratively smacking themselves in the forehead for missing what was in plain sight, if you only knew what you were looking at.

I do not know how they missed it, other than that such activities are not associated with persons in upper levels of government.

And just think about 1940: the Panzer crews were cranked up for days, broke clear through to the English channel to surround the British… and then crashed. While they were sleeping it off, the British escaped at Dunkirk

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 5:02:29am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not know how they missed it, other than that such activities are not associated with persons in upper levels of government.

And just think about 1940: the Panzer crews were cranked up for days, broke clear through to the English channel to surround the British… and then crashed. While they were sleeping it off, the British escaped at Dunkirk

Here’s the Guardian’s write-up about it. theguardian.com

“I guess drugs weren’t a priority for the historians,” he says. “A crazy guy like me had to come along.” Still, crazy or not, he has done a remarkable job. If Blitzed is gripping, it is also convincing. Ian Kershaw, the British historian who is probably the world’s leading authority on Hitler and Nazi Germany, has described it as “a serious piece of scholarship”.

Unlikely as it sounds, it was Ohler’s friend, the Berlin DJ Alexander Kramer, who first put him on to the idea. “He’s like a medium for that time,” says Ohler. “He has this huge library, and he knows all the music from the 20s. One night he said to me: ‘Do you know the massive role drugs played in National Socialism?’ I told him that I didn’t, but that it sounded true - and I knew immediately it would be the subject of my next book.”

His plan was to write a novel, but with his first visit to the archives that changed completely. There he found the papers of Dr Theodor Morell, Hitler’s personal physician, previously only a minor character in most studies of the Führer. “I knew then that this was already better than fiction.” In the months that followed, supported by the late, great German historian of the Third Reich Hans Mommsen, Ohler travelled from archive to archive, carefully gathering his material - and how much of it there was! He didn’t use half of what he found. “Look at this,” he says, jumping up. When he returns, in his hand is a copy of a letter from Martin Bormann, Hitler’s private secretary, in which he suggests that the “medication” Morell is giving the Führer needs to be regulated for the sake of his increasingly wobbly health.

Morrell first treated Hitler for stomach pains, and other ailments. Then he started Hitler on a regime of oxycodone and cocaine injections. But, as supplies were gradually cut off by the Allies closing in on Berlin, the injections were fewer and fewer. Ohler says the tremors that were attributed to Parkinson’s Disease may in fact have been Hitler’s withdrawal symptoms as he went cold turkey.

Meanwhile, the Germans were slipping methamphetamines into chocolates, to give the population energy, and experimenting with sailors hopped up on cocaine piloting one-man subs — the idea being a pilot could stay awake for the four-day sailing from Germany to the Thames and then blow shit up. Instead, the sailors got lost or had psychotic episodes cooped up in their underwater tin cans.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 5:08:49am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

It could be to an extent; far-right politics is typically anti-globalization and it employs xenophobic rhetoric as part and parcel of their anti-globalization ideology. Fear of “foreigners taking our jobs!!” is easy to use - and exploit - and it dovetails nicely with the overall weltanschauung of extreme right-wing politics.

Right wing populism plays well with workers unfortunately. A lot of those who hold up the working class on a pedestal don’t want to acknowledge that but it’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 5:23:11am

TBH, I think many on the left put the working class on a pedestal since they were such a key part of the New Deal coalition and indeed many can relate to them or had parents or grandparents that were. I don’t mind. I just think we need to realize that many of these people do have prejudices on things that have nothing to do with economics and people like Trump can and certainly do exploit them.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 5:32:06am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

TBH, I think many on the left put the working class on a pedestal since they were such a key part of the New Deal coalition and indeed many can relate to them or had parents or grandparents that were. I don’t mind. I just think we need to realize that many of these people do have prejudices on things that have nothing to do with economics and people like Trump can and certainly do exploit them.

Someone who can assure people that he has all the answers, and can make them quick and off-the-cuff, will fool a large number of people that it really is that easy. Too many Mexicans? Build a wall. Too many Muslims? Ship them out. Too many jobs going overseas? Punish the companies. Foreign defense too expensive? Make those deadbeat countries pay for our services. Anyone with half a brain could see through that as total bullshit — a salesman’s patter to butter up the marks — but sadly it seems there are about 60 million Americans with only 30 million brains among them.

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jeffreyw  Dec 11, 2016 • 5:43:58am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:05:55am

Mayor de Blasio stands up for a Muslim police officer who was accosted while off duty with her child.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:09:52am

re: #92 wheat-dogg

Mayor de Blasio stands up for a Muslim police officer who was accosted while off duty with her child.

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Bet the “Blue Lives Matter” assholes won’t say anything about this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:10:21am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Someone who can assure people that he has all the answers, and can make them quick and off-the-cuff, will fool a large number of people that it really is that easy. Too many Mexicans? Build a wall. Too many Muslims? Ship them out. Too many jobs going overseas? Punish the companies. Foreign defense too expensive? Make those deadbeat countries pay for our services. Anyone with half a brain could see through that as total bullshit — a salesman’s patter to butter up the marks — but sadly it seems there are about 60 million Americans with only 30 million brains among them.

Indeed sound bite politics. It’s why Reagan was so successful with them too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:12:07am

HURR HURR WHAT GLOW BULL WARMING!!!!11!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:13:24am

We are supposed to get hit with 10” by the time I have to drive to work tomorrow morning.

And I can’t do remote login like I did in my previous position.

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lawhawk  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:16:24am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Broken record time.

Lake effect snows will get worse with global warming because the lakes will remain unfrozen for longer periods enabling cold arctic winds to sweep over and gather the moisture that then falls downwind on the snow belts. That’s why parts of Western NY have seen 3+ feet of snow so far, with no sign of it letting up.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:17:33am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHAT GLOW BULL WARMING!!!!11!!!

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Also, Al Gore is fat.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:20:44am

Trump says he’s smart, so he doesn’t need intelligence briefings every day. I am just sooo relieved!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:21:16am

re: #97 lawhawk

Broken record time.

Lake effect snows will get worse with global warming because the lakes will remain unfrozen for longer periods enabling cold arctic winds to sweep over and gather the moisture that then falls downwind on the snow belts. That’s why parts of Western NY have seen 3+ feet of snow so far, with no sign of it letting up.

Lake effects hit the eastern shores of the Great Lakes. We’re on the western bank of the Detroit River, does that even count? Toronto should get hit harder than us.

Lake Effect Snow Map
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:23:56am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Also, Al Gore is fat.

Al Gore looks like he could be Donald Trump’s body double if they just slapped a blond wig on him.

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Jayleia  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:28:47am

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Al Gore looks like he could be Donald Trump’s body double if they just slapped a blond wig piece of orangish-blonde roadkill on him.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:29:19am

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Al Gore looks like he could be Donald Trump’s body double if they just slapped a blond wig on him.

Maybe Alec Baldwin can give him acting lessons, so Gore can be Baldwin’s understudy.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:30:27am

I’d rather have a beer with Al Gore than be in the same room as Donald Trump.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:34:31am

And it’s time to hit the sack for Teacherman here. Catch you on the morrow.

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b.d.  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:34:42am

lol, your move Donnie

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:37:46am
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Belafon  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:43:29am

re: #106 b.d.

lol, your move Donnie

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Whenever we talk about Boeing’s reactions to Trump, keep this in mind. Trump can cancel this deal at any time. Boeing should be treated as a prisoner of war: Whatever they say and do in regards to Trump should be treated as if Trump is telling them to do it.

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b.d.  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:43:47am

re: #106 b.d.

lol, your move Donnie

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Iran announced Sunday it had finalized a $16.8 billion deal with Boeing to purchase 80 passenger planes — an agreement made possible by last year’s landmark nuclear agreement.

Boeing said the deal will support tens of thousands of U.S. jobs directly associated with production and delivery of the 777s and nearly 100,000 U.S. jobs overall. The first airplanes under this agreement are scheduled for delivery in 2018.

nbcnews.com

OK Trump, you kill the Iran nuke deal you kill this deal too. How you gonna act?

The only thing that might save this is if Iran commits to use Exxon jet fuel.

//?

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[deleted]  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:50:05am
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Jayleia  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:54:19am

re: #110 E Deploribus Unum

Ok, it makes sense now.

Now that YOU’VE figured it out, now you’ve confused me.

What did you figure out?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 6:56:24am

re: #110 E Deploribus Unum

Fuck off, but first, please partake of this pie of infected dicks prepared for your delectation.

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[deleted]  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:01:24am
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[deleted]  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:03:07am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:06:53am

re: #114 E Deploribus Unum

Where are your manners sir?

Did I not most politely offer pie?

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Jayleia  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:07:55am

re: #114 E Deploribus Unum

Where are your manners sir?

From Wikipedia:

Babushka or baboushka or babooshka (from Russian: ба́бушка; IPA: [ˈbabʊʂkə], meaning “grandmother” or “elderly woman”)

Hint: That’s not just a random pseudonym…in more ways than one, as I suspect you are about to find out.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:07:59am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Ugly America voted for itself. Personally I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that.

“He speaks his mind and tells it like it is!”

Translate:

“He’s the asshole I wish I could be!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:13:17am

OH CRAP

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:25:04am

re: #113 E Deploribus Unum

You never had it; Charles woke up to the fascist infestation and turned against its bigotry and hate. You should try it - it’s much more pleasant to be a decent human being.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:32:02am

It’s all about gutting the regulatory power of executive agencies

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freetoken  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:34:04am

re: #120 FormerDirtDart

Trump apparently doesn’t realize that the DoE doesn’t have a lot to do with oil and coal. That stuff is mostly the USGS and Interior department.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:39:47am

re: #121 freetoken

Trump apparently doesn’t realize that the DoE doesn’t have a lot to do with oil and coal. That stuff is mostly the USGS and Interior department.

But to Trump and his ilk all those agencies do is put a burden on on companies out to develop those resources…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:41:42am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Bet the “Blue Lives Matter” assholes won’t say anything about this.

White Lives in Blue Uniforms Matter

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freetoken  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:43:18am

I’d bet the DoE employs, by far, more PhDs in physics than any other organization on the planet, either directly in the Civil Service, as through contracts in its own laboratory system.

What will GoodHair or Heitkamp or especially Washburne do when in a room full of those folk? Do any of these candidates actually know what the DoE does?

And why would Heitkamp in particular want to be involved? She’s a Democrat, and taking her out of her seat is a way for Trump to reduce the Democrat count in the Senate, which is a win for him, but why would she want the job?

Is her name simply thrown out there because she’s from North Dakota and someone convinced Trump that ND has this great oil boom that would be greater if not for all those nasty gov’t regulations (about which the DoE has nothing to do?)

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freetoken  Dec 11, 2016 • 7:44:23am

For those who don’t know - the “E” in DoE is a euphemism for “nuclear”.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:03:03am

Wow…I just remembered….how prescient ABC was with the miniseries Amerika back in 1986. Now i’m going to have to re-watch the whole thing and quote-mine it.

Thanks, Mr. Trump. And Thanks, you feckless third-party voters and those who didn’t vote. Go watch the entire mini-series on Youtbe and see what is likely going to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:07:02am

re: #124 freetoken

I’d bet the DoE employs, by far, more PhDs in physics than any other organization on the planet, either directly in the Civil Service, as through contracts in its own laboratory system.

What will GoodHair or Heitkamp or especially Washburne do when in a room full of those folk? Do any of these candidates actually know what the DoE does?

And why would Heitkamp in particular want to be involved? She’s a Democrat, and taking her out of her seat is a way for Trump to reduce the Democrat count in the Senate, which is a win for him, but why would she want the job?

Is her name simply thrown out there because she’s from North Dakota and someone convinced Trump that ND has this great oil boom that would be greater if not for all those nasty gov’t regulations (about which the DoE has nothing to do?)

I think he thinks a little of both your scenarios with Heidencamp, he can present her as proof he’s being bipartisan which I can see the media eating for breakfast and ND’s oil boom. Not sure though. As you get at, DOE is our nuclear regulatory department not DOD.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:07:29am

Unsurprisingly, it turns out the one question Richard Spencer can’t answer is how he plans on creating his white “utopia” without violence.

Unpacking the Dark and Contradictory Rhetoric of the White Nationalist Current That Ushered Trump to the White House

I would also like A reporter to ask Spencer how he plans on getting around the 14th and 15th amendments. He Probably also doesn’t have a real answer to that question as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:08:36am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:09:25am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet you supported Trump, Marco. Lying hypocrite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:11:31am

re: #125 freetoken

For those who don’t know - the “E” in DoE is a euphemism for “nuclear”.

nucular

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:13:28am
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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:14:41am

The brand new ZIS ZIL 4112R limousine built for Vladimir Putin in 2012 is for sale, for a measly 1,200,000 in American fiat money (which would also buy a lot of FIATs). It’s quite a ride. Apparently Vlad rejected it in favor of armored transport and more passenger space and it is now offered to American plutocrats who possibly want to show their solidarity with the incoming administration.


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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:16:25am

Evan McMullin - not pulling punches…

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freetoken  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:16:26am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

That’s a very Trumpian interior…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:17:26am

re: #135 freetoken

That’s a very Trumpian interior…

are you kidding? not a golden door handle in sight

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:18:59am

Morning!

I hadn’t checked my emails late yesterday as I very seldom get too many on a Saturday night. This morning I had a big surprise.

It seems an anonymous Little Green Footballs member purchased a LGF Subscription for me.

Charles notified me in an email. His email header was “Secret Santa.”

I don’t know what to say other than to thank whoever you are. It comes as a surprise…a nice one.

So Thank You!

I prefer to say Thank You to the whole community, because that is what it is. A great online community that has people that would do something like buy another member a membership.

Sniff. Gosh…

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:23:20am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

are you kidding? not a golden door handle in sight

True, but the pic doesn’t show the toilet seat.

Btw, miniature giraffe and Slovenian model babe not included.

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Jayleia  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:24:11am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

A REALLY blocky exterior design, outside looks absolutely primitive compared to “The Beast” that POTUS rides in, inside looks functional, uncomfortable and cramped…again, not like “The Beast”.

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:24:24am

re: #137 ObserverArt

Morning!

I hadn’t checked my emails late yesterday as I very seldom get too many on a Saturday night. This morning I had a big surprise.

It seems an anonymous Little Green Footballs member purchased a LGF Subscription for me.

Charles notified me in an email. His email header was “Secret Santa.”

I don’t know what to say other than to thank whoever you are. It comes as a surprise…a nice one.

So Thank You!

I prefer to say Thank You to the whole community, because that is what it is. A great online community that has people that would do something like buy another member a membership.

Sniff. Gosh…

What a nice thing to do! Lizards are the best.

I know you’ll enjoy the ad-free space. I sure am.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:25:44am
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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:28:05am

By the bye - Trumpers on Facebook are getting pretty touchy about the whole Russia thing. Yesterday they were laughing it off, but none of them seem to be in a laughing mood today.

I’m gently prodding them with references to vodka, saluting the white, blue and red, asking if it’s still legal to burn the Russian flag.

It’s clearly bothering a lot of them. That’s a crack worth exploiting, right there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:31:35am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s not just Democrats. For Trump to make this out to be a partial attack is disgusting especially when he ran one of the most negative presidential campaigns ever.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:32:04am

re: #139 Jayleia

A REALLY blocky exterior design, outside looks absolutely primitive compared to “The Beast” that POTUS rides in, inside looks functional, uncomfortable and cramped…again, not like “The Beast”.

I think I’ve figured out where their styling inspiration comes from:
1973 Checker Marathon, $14,900.

This is apparently one of the rare “civilian” Checkers, sold new to a private owner rather than a cab company.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:32:06am

Trump is a typical right wing bully. Dishes it out but can’t take it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:32:09am

The thing that worries me is the number of constituencies that would happily accept a Trump Presidency that is every bit as bad as it looks like it will be.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:34:13am

re: #139 Jayleia

A REALLY blocky exterior design, outside looks absolutely primitive compared to “The Beast” that POTUS rides in, inside looks functional, uncomfortable and cramped…again, not like “The Beast”.

Hey, Putin’s a little guy. He doesn’t need much leg room. His feet probably dangle when he sits in those seats.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:35:31am

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel
Years ago I knew an eccentric professor who bought a new Checker for family use. It was built like a tank and had all kinds of room. The consumer model had extra chrome and some amenities like actual carpet but was still pretty utilitarian. Chevrolet running gear made it easy to maintain. The dealer was the Dallas cab company.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:35:31am

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel

I think I’ve figured out where their styling inspiration comes from:
1973 Checker Marathon, $14,900.

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This is apparently one of the rare “civilian” Checkers, sold new to a private owner rather than a cab company.

One of the families at our church when I was young had a Checker Marathon. Otherwise forgettable, but TONS of rear seat legroom.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:41:00am

Well, it is pretty clear what the Trump campaign’s method to deal with the Russian Hack/ELection Influence is going to be…call out the CIA and call their bluff. Put up some info and names or shut up. Yes, I watch Meet The Press…too important to miss today.

Here is what Reince Priebus had to say in case others may be interested and don’t want to watch, etc.

Iframe

Iframe

And along the same line…Priebus on Rex Tillerson…

Iframe

And yes…Reince still makes me break out in hives…I think he triggers some allergies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:41:39am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

It’s not just Democrats. For Trump to make this out to be a partial attack is disgusting especially when he ran one of the most negative presidential campaigns ever.

and he told us repeatedly that the system had been rigged, fixed and tampered with…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:43:12am

One big problem with Trump and the people he’s picking is that they think they know better than the data. Trump doesn’t need daily, or even, apparently bi-weekly intelligence briefings, because he’s smart, and he’d only get them when they’re needed. Puzder claims a restaurant recession caused by Obamacare that the data don’t show. The whole Right believes in the magic of tax cuts against all available evidence. Global warming doesn’t exist because they don’t want it to.

There will be a wholesale abandonment of fact- and data-driven policy. Businesses will love the reduced regulations. Rich people will love the reduced taxes. And the WWC will love the spectacle of Trump saving a couple hundred jobs here, and a couple hundred there, while we give up on the economy of the 21st Century.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:43:37am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and he told us repeatedly that the system had been rigged, fixed and tampered with…

Yep but that was different I guess. Fuck this two faced prick.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:43:43am
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:44:03am

re: #134 darthstar

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:44:41am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

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One big problem with Trump and the people he’s picking is that they think they know better than the data. Trump doesn’t need daily, or even, apparently bi-weekly intelligence briefings, because he’s smart, and he’d only get them when they’re needed. Puzder claims a restaurant recession caused by Obamacare that the data don’t show. The whole Right believes in the magic of tax cuts against all available evidence. Global warming doesn’t exist because they don’t want it to.

There will be a wholesale abandonment of fact- and data-driven policy. Businesses will love the reduced regulations. Rich people will love the reduced taxes. And the WWC will love the spectacle of Trump saving a couple hundred jobs here, and a couple hundred there, while we give up on the economy of the 21st Century.

They don’t live in reality. Someone should ask Andy how he’s done since ACA.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:44:43am

Prob posted already, but

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:46:16am

re: #150 ObserverArt

Well, it is pretty clear what the Trump campaign’s method to deal with the Russian Hack/ELection Influence is going to be…call out the CIA and call their bluff.

I’m hoping like hell they’re thinking ‘challenge accepted.’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:50:06am

re: #150 ObserverArt

Well, it is pretty clear what the Trump campaign’s method to deal with the Russian Hack/ELection Influence is going to be…call out the CIA and call their bluff.

And yes…Reince still makes me break out in hives…I think he triggers some allergies.

Trump knows that his followers only like the CIA when they are waterboarding terrorists.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:50:37am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Republicans have abandoned any pretense of reality to the point where they wouldn’t care if the country explodes in a bloody civil war… just for the sake of retaining power and forcibly imposing their Dominionist beliefs.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:52:11am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Prob posted already, but

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I had heard about it, but hadn’t seen it—thanks.

I hate that I just RT Lindsey Graham. 😝

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:53:17am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Prob posted already, but

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“deter and defend against future cyberattacks”—that’s it?

Seems like pretty weak “let’s look forward” sauce to me.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:54:37am

re: #119 William Lewis

You never had it; Charles woke up to the fascist infestation and turned against its bigotry and hate. You should try it - it’s much more pleasant to be a decent human being.

But then he couldn’t support his addiction.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:57:32am

re: #162 BeachDem

“deter and defend against future cyberattacks”—that’s it?

Seems like pretty weak “let’s look forward” sauce to me.

Yup. Not impressed in the least.

There’s no need for a bipartisan anything when one of the two parties likely engaged in wholesale election tampering in concert with a foreign country.

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EmmaAnne  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:58:50am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump knows that his followers only like the CIA when they are waterboarding terrorists.

I think you mean waterboarding “terrorists”. As far as I can tell they never cared much whether the people they were torturing had actually done anything wrong. Not that torturing is OK ever, but it was particularly sickening that they would just grab some taxi driver off the street and torture him to death and not even bother with an “our bad”.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 8:59:14am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I am not a crook,” Palin Word Salad edition.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:04:05am

Quote/Scene mining Amerika, Pt. 1

Amerika 02 (of 13)

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:04:40am

re: #161 CuriousLurker

I had heard about it, but hadn’t seen it—thanks.

I hate that I just RT Lindsey Graham.

Heh I hear ya, but I all I feel is pushing on this all the way through the EC and confronting Russia strongly. Old Russian/maybe communist proverb-Advance with bayonet. If you meet flesh continue, if you meet steel, withdraw. Time to show some strength.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:05:14am

re: #158 makeitstop

I’m hoping like hell they’re thinking ‘challenge accepted.’

Yeah, in a dick swinging contest I’m going to have to give the edge to the CIA.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:07:07am

re: #119 William Lewis

You never had it; Charles woke up to the fascist infestation and turned against its bigotry and hate. You should try it - it’s much more pleasant to be a decent human being.

THIS. Every time I hear someone pining for the pre-purge/turn-around good old days at LGF it reminds me of all the times I accidentally landed here—usually when searching for something relate to Islam—and was confronted with the worst sort of hatred, bigotry, ignorance and disinformation.

But, hey, who cares how it affects anyone else as long as they’re hearing what they want to hear, right? It’s the same as with people who reminisce about how wonderful the 1950’s were. Yeah, great times if you were a white Protestant Christian male, not so much if you were Jewish, black, hispanic, female, etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:09:02am

The mistake is thinking the Tea Party was ever about ideology.

Let’s remember where it started, with Rick Santelli ranting on CNBC, not about the bailout of Wall Street after having nearly destroyed the world economy with its greed and stupidity, but rather about the suggestion that the Administration might do a similar bailout of INDIVIDUALS who now found themselves with unaffordable loans, or who found themselves underwater as housing prices fell when the bubble burst.

Who, in the minds of what became the Tea Party, were those homeowners? Poor people. Minorities, mostly. People who had no business thinking they could afford a house. Look at the Right Wing rhetoric of the time - after a brief period of confusion and disillusionment when Capitalism revealed that it is NOT self-policing, somebody came up with the comforting, but completely false narrative that the bubble and collapse were caused by the Carter era Community Reinvestment Act, and that the poor bankers had had NO CHOICE but to write mortgages for minorities for houses they clearly could not afford.

By the time Santelli went on his rant, Wall Street was largely vindicated, in the eyes of the Right, and the whole thing was the fault of the Democrats, the Gummint, and Those People. And here was Obama, one of Those People, scheming to let Those People get away with it! And worse, he was gonna give them healthcare!!

No, the Tea Party was NEVER about ideology. It was ALWAYS about Those People. Trump was just the only candidate who was willing to go beyond dogwhistles, and stating openly that he’d be the white people’s champion against Those People.

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BigPapa  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:09:50am

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

Did I not most politely offer pie?

You politely proffer pie profusely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:11:29am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:12:54am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Apparently Graham and McCain know that they can’t whitewash something that will incriminate their entire political party, and by extension, themselves.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:13:51am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Lake effects hit the eastern shores of the Great Lakes. We’re on the western bank of the Detroit River, does that even count? Toronto should get hit harder than us.

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I heard reports that just east of Cleveland, in Kirtland, Willouhby, Mentor area they have 3’ of snow already. The report said the largest snow accumulation in the US so far.

We have about 1” here in Columbus….but it will be gone as we are headed for 40° later with rain and that will hold overnight.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:19:21am

re: #175 ObserverArt

Here is a sample of the mixed bag headed for Philly. weather.gov

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:20:00am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

OH CRAP

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Was this just north of the MacArthur bridge area (bridge to Belle Isle) in that park that runs along the river? Looks familiar to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:23:42am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:26:21am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the Wall Street Journal does not want is a snake oil salesman telling them how to conduct business. They have their own problems with the muckraker Murdoch (or however he spells his name).

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CuriousLurker  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:26:33am

Oh hey, do ya’ll remember Bryan Dean Wright from my comment the other day?

I looked him up. He’s apparently a regular on Fox News and starts almost everything he writes with “I’m a Democrat…” Uh-huh, sure you are. Surprise! Not.

Oh, here’s one of his shit tweets:

I was so tempted to snark at him on that one: “Dude, you let someone take a pic of you French kissing Michael Moore?? Bad career move.” But, nah, I blocked him instead.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:28:45am

Trump is ‘taking on the Establishment’ in much the same way that a ship takes on a crew.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:30:04am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

What the Wall Street Journal does not want is a snake oil salesman telling them how to conduct business. They have their own problems with the muckraker Murdoch (or however he spells his name).

The thing is that the WSJ, for all that they get Macroeconomics WRONG, know that running a business =/= running an economy.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:30:27am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:32:10am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You fire all your people”? Does he mean like the CEO, or just the peons, because that sounds like a giant Get Out of Tariff loophole to me.

Looks like Ivanka doesn’t have to worry, since she doesn’t even pay her people, and even if she lets them all go she won’t be firing herself.

Stupid fucking Republican goobers. You dumb shits have just fucked us all.

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:32:49am

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump is ‘taking on the Establishment’ in much the same way that a ship takes on a crew an iceberg.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:33:42am

re: #158 makeitstop

I’m hoping like hell they’re thinking ‘challenge accepted.’

Me too. I think this is asking them to get out the virtual shovels and start digging for virtual bodies in the intertubes.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:39:55am

re: #169 Romantic Heretic

Yeah, in a dick swinging contest I’m going to have to give the edge to the CIA.

Trump and his acolytes are so tone deaf and averse to reality that - in their minds - openly taunting the CIA is a good thing.

Same thing with the Tillerson nomination. It’s thrusting the middle finger at the CIA.

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sagehen  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:40:27am

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

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Skip Intro  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:44:19am

re: #187 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Trump does have his guy heading the FBI though so I imagine his traitorous ass is covered.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:45:18am

re: #188 sagehen

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

And a series of tunnels underneath a chain of restaurants in Downtown Moscow, connected with Paul Manafort and Corey L?

Just project “PizzaGate” onto that speculation, and it shockingly doesn’t sound that far-fetched after all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:46:44am

re: #188 sagehen

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

You really do wonder why Trump is so hellbent on defending Russia at all costs. Something’s up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:47:20am

This is true, which is what has me doing a lot of worrying and headscratching.

I mean, Trump has been openly fondling Putin’s balls for a year and a half. Everything he’s done WRT Russia, NATO, etc. looks like an incredibly clumsy attempt to befriend Putin, or like a guy who’s working for Putin and wants to do everything he can for the boss, regardless of how obvious he’s being. We know he has absolutely no honesty in him, but he also has no subtlety, either. If he’s in Putin’s pocket, he’s not going to do what a GOOD Putin asset would do in this situation, which is to pronounce it very disturbing and insist that he’ll have the Intelligence Community look into it, because by god this is AMERICA! and NOBODY is gonna get away with this! and he’d say that if Russia really tried to win the election for him, then they made a big mistake because he’ll be their worst nightmare!

That’s what SMART asset would do. A DUMB asset would say, “Nah, this is silly! BTW, look what a great friend of Putin I’m considering for State!”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:48:24am

re: #189 Skip Intro

Trump does have his guy heading the FBI though so I imagine his traitorous ass is covered.

The CIA and the FBI are clearly at war with each other. Whatever is released will validate that, to be sure.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:48:28am

re: #188 sagehen

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

That’s the kind of honeytrap the KGB was known for in the 70s & 80s. They had almost every hotel room in Moscow wired for video and sound according to some of the books I’ve read.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:50:10am

re: #194 William Lewis

That’s the kind of honeytrap the KGB was known for in the 70s & 80s. They had almost every hotel room in Moscow wired for video and sound according to some of the books I’ve read.

I believe I read they used one of the Alsop brothers’ homosexuality to try to blackmail him. Another reason why state sanctioned homophobia is stupid.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:50:28am

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

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The mistake is thinking the Tea Party was ever about ideology.

Let’s remember where it started, with Rick Santelli ranting on CNBC, not about the bailout of Wall Street after having nearly destroyed the world economy with its greed and stupidity, but rather about the suggestion that the Administration might do a similar bailout of INDIVIDUALS who now found themselves with unaffordable loans, or who found themselves underwater as housing prices fell when the bubble burst.

Who, in the minds of what became the Tea Party, were those homeowners? Poor people. Minorities, mostly. People who had no business thinking they could afford a house. Look at the Right Wing rhetoric of the time - after a brief period of confusion and disillusionment when Capitalism revealed that it is NOT self-policing, somebody came up with the comforting, but completely false narrative that the bubble and collapse were caused by the Carter era Community Reinvestment Act, and that the poor bankers had had NO CHOICE but to write mortgages for minorities for houses they clearly could not afford.

By the time Santelli went on his rant, Wall Street was largely vindicated, in the eyes of the Right, and the whole thing was the fault of the Democrats, the Gummint, and Those People. And here was Obama, one of Those People, scheming to let Those People get away with it! And worse, he was gonna give them healthcare!!

No, the Tea Party was NEVER about ideology. It was ALWAYS about Those People. Trump was just the only candidate who was willing to go beyond dogwhistles, and stating openly that he’d be the white people’s champion against Those People.

Right. The tea partiers out and about were usually white retirees who likely had already paid off their mortgages.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:51:04am

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

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This is true, which is what has me doing a lot of worrying and headscratching.

I mean, Trump has been openly fondling Putin’s balls for a year and a half. Everything he’s done WRT Russia, NATO, etc. looks like an incredibly clumsy attempt to befriend Putin, or like a guy who’s working for Putin and wants to do everything he can for the boss, regardless of how obvious he’s being. We know he has absolutely no honesty in him, but he also has no subtlety, either. If he’s in Putin’s pocket, he’s not going to do what a GOOD Putin asset would do in this situation, which is to pronounce it very disturbing and insist that he’ll have the Intelligence Community look into it, because by god this is AMERICA! and NOBODY is gonna get away with this! and he’d say that if Russia really tried to win the election for him, then they made a big mistake because he’ll be their worst nightmare!

That’s what SMART asset would do. A DUMB asset would say, “Nah, this is silly! BTW, look what a great friend of Putin I’m considering for State!”

At best, he’s naive as hell about Putin and Russia. At worst, he’s a willing agent.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:51:20am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

What the Wall Street Journal does not want is a snake oil salesman telling them how to conduct business. They have their own problems with the muckraker Murdoch (or however he spells his name).

I can only imagine the laughter at their next board meeting. “…and then he said… *gasp* we don’t know business”

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Skip Intro  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:51:36am

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump has gotten away with every single dirty thing he’s done his whole life so I’m sure he thinks he’ll get a pass on this too.

Since the government is run by Republicans, he’s probably right. As long as he goes along with their plans to role back things to 1929 he doesn’t have anything to worry about.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:52:21am

re: #193 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The CIA and the FBI are clearly at war with each other. Whatever is released will validate that, to be sure.

Yeah and the guys barred from operating here are the ones on our side. This is a terrible disadvantage in the coming months.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:54:44am

re: #194 William Lewis

That’s the kind of honeytrap the KGB was known for in the 70s & 80s. They had almost every hotel room in Moscow wired for video and sound according to some of the books I’ve read.

They’ve been doing this right up to the present. Also harassing diplomats.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:55:11am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Right. The tea partiers out and about were usually white retirees who likely had already paid off their mortgages.

I think our biggest mistake in the last decade has been overestimating the openness of a large portion of white America to racial and cultural diversity, and to equality. And we underestimated the importance of white identity not only in the US, but internationally. We euphemistically call it ‘White Nationalism’, but really it’s international.Trump’s base feels like they have more in common with Eurofascists than with their nonwhite neighbors.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:58:19am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

I think our biggest mistake in the last decade has been overestimating the openness of a large portion of white America to racial and cultural diversity, and to equality. And we underestimated the importance of white identity not only in the US, but internationally. We euphemistically call it ‘White Nationalism’, but really it’s international.Trump’s base feels like they have more in common with Eurofascists than with their nonwhite neighbors.

I think that’s a great point. We definitely did do that domestically and internationally. We on the left like to see Europeans especially in Western Europe as being more enlightened but they’re just as suspectable to this crap as we are.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 11, 2016 • 9:59:48am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

I think our biggest mistake in the last decade has been overestimating the openness of a large portion of white America to racial and cultural diversity, and to equality. And we underestimated the importance of white identity not only in the US, but internationally. We euphemistically call it ‘White Nationalism’, but really it’s international.Trump’s base feels like they have more in common with Eurofascists than with their nonwhite neighbors.

Absolutely agree. I’m guilty. I was one who thought “can’t wait till the old racists die off.” But then three or four years ago, maybe it was around the Trayvon Martin killing, people started collecting racist FB comments and tweets to shame the racists and it turned out that most of them were teenagers. International and intergenerational.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:01:27am

re: #204 Barefoot Grin

Absolutely agree. I’m guilty. I was one who thought “can’t wait till the old racists die off.” But then three or four years ago, maybe it was around the Trayvon Martin killing, people started collecting racist FB comments and tweets to shame the racists and it turned out that most of them were teenagers. International and intergenerational.

I was too. I really believed that the Millennials on the right didn’t share their parents and grandparents racial views but the so called Alt-Right is a fairly young movement.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:02:16am

re: #193 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The CIA and the FBI are clearly at war with each other. Whatever is released will validate that, to be sure.

They have different charters. The FBI deals with domestic intelligence. The CIA deals with foreign intelligence. The CIA report isn’t a rebuke of the FBI, and James Comey isn’t Putin’s bitch…granted, I know he’s enemy #7 right now for a lot of people (Trump, Bannon, Priebus, Conway, Putin, and Bernie Sanders being 1-6, respectively), but let’s dial down the ‘war’ talk just a bit…

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:03:39am

re: #188 sagehen

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

My theory exactly.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:06:59am

re: #206 darthstar

War is an overused term and badly so. That been said-I have no doubt there are CIA career professionals straining at the leash on this because this fell right in their venue-Protecting us from foreign espionage and intelligence services. And they can see better than we can what’s up at FBI with the email leaks etc.

All we (the public) lacks now is the evidence to see how strong it is. This is an old hard core confrontation-CIA vs the Russian intel/espionage services. A blood spilled by both sides kind of fight.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:07:37am

I’m glad official noise is being made about Twitler’s Russian puppet strings, but I wish it had come sooner.

This isn’t rocket surgery. Having Russia’s bag-man in the Ukraine as his campaign manager, and the ONLY thing on the GOP platform they even looked at was our policy towards the Ukraine - that’s all the evidence anybody should have needed to guess that the full force of Putin’s disruption apparatus would be supporting Dump. You don’t get to roll that deep with the gangsters out of charity on their part.

And for anybody who pays the slightest bit of attention to the Russian security state’s way of doing things, that should have meant a nation-wide BOLO for troll armies, fake accounts, hacks, intrusions, information theft, “leaks”, blackmail, and money laundering.

Unfortunately personality cult politics is serving as a kind of armor against this shit these days. Putin’s people could explicitly state “We helped out” and “Washington is ours”, and Dump’s fanclub would DARVO-gasm in defense of their Greatest Great Leader.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:07:44am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I think that’s a great point. We definitely did do that domestically and internationally. We on the left like to see Europeans especially in Western Europe as being more enlightened but they’re just as suspectable to this crap as we are.

Here’s the thing, though - Europe is receiving literally hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria and elsewhere. We’re accepting a tiny fraction of that number, and our White Folks are freaking out at least as badly as white folks in Europe.

Related to this, I saw some tweets from Josh Marshall last week about how WWII, the Holocaust, the Cold War, and other forces had ethnically resegregated Central Europe, which had been much more mixed before that time. I wonder how much that ethnic segregation has played into the xenophobic reaction to ‘swarthy foreigners’ there?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:09:00am

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing, though - Europe is receiving literally hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria and elsewhere. We’re accepting a tiny fraction of that number, and our White Folks are freaking out at least as badly as white folks in Europe.

Related to this, I saw some tweets from Josh Marshall last week about how WWII, the Holocaust, the Cold War, and other forces had ethnically resegregated Central Europe, which had been much more mixed before that time. I wonder how much that ethnic segregation has played into the xenophobic reaction to ‘swarthy foreigners’ there?

That is a good point. Never thought about that.

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makeitstop  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:12:11am

So, racist Anthony Cumia’s loser brother just posted a YouTube video link on Facebook, saying ‘Pride in race and pride for country = safety & prosperity.’

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:13:37am

re: #212 makeitstop

So, racist Anthony Cumia’s loser brother just posted a YouTube video link on Facebook, saying ‘Pride in race and pride for country = safety & prosperity.’

But free peach. //

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ipsos  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:14:00am

re: #175 ObserverArt

I heard reports that just east of Cleveland, in Kirtland, Willouhby, Mentor area they have 3’ of snow already. The report said the largest snow accumulation in the US so far.

We have about 1” here in Columbus….but it will be gone as we are headed for 40° later with rain and that will hold overnight.

Hi from I90 eastbound at the PA/NY line. I drove through Kirtland an hour and a half ago. There’s definitely plenty of snow on the ground, but 90 is still clear and fairly dry and moving at full speed.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:14:00am

re: #199 Skip Intro

Trump has gotten away with every single dirty thing he’s done his whole life so I’m sure he thinks he’ll get a pass on this too.

Since the government is run by Republicans, he’s probably right. As long as he goes along with their plans to role back things to 1929 he doesn’t have anything to worry about.

And even then, he rolls it back to 1929, and the economy promptly collapses.

Outside of his knuckle-dragging brain-dead cavemen supporters, it’s difficult to see how he’ll get a pass from anyone else.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:14:04am

re: #212 makeitstop

So, racist Anthony Cumia’s loser brother just posted a YouTube video link on Facebook, saying ‘Pride in race and pride for country = safety & prosperity.’

Tomorrow belongs to me.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:15:03am

re: #212 makeitstop

So, racist Anthony Cumia’s loser brother just posted a YouTube video link on Facebook, saying ‘Pride in race and pride for country = safety & prosperity.’

The family that hates together…

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:16:53am

re: #208 Unshaken Defiance

War is an overused term and badly so. That been said-I have no doubt there are CIA career professionals straining at the leash on this because this fell right in their venue-Protecting us from foreign espionage and intelligence services. And they can see better than we can what’s up at FBI with the email leaks etc.

All we (the public) lacks now is the evidence to see how strong it is. This is an old hard core confrontation-CIA vs the Russian intel/espionage services.

I agree that there was some serious ball dropping somewhere…either in not seeing it or in taking steps to intervene. But we still don’t know anything about what Russia did or didn’t do (outside of the DNC leaks which were awkward to say the least, and the Podesta emails which were just embarrassing). The Comey announcement 11 days before the election was bad and bad timing, but I don’t really see how Putin had anything to do with that…if he did and the CIA has proof, then Comey will get to spend some time behind bars.

All we really have to go on right now is wild-ass speculation and what little detail is leaked to the press. Is there a link to the full un-redacted CIA report online? I haven’t seen one.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:19:00am
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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:19:12am
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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:22:55am

re: #206 darthstar

They have different charters. The FBI deals with domestic intelligence. The CIA deals with foreign intelligence. The CIA report isn’t a rebuke of the FBI, and James Comey isn’t Putin’s bitch…granted, I know he’s enemy #7 right now for a lot of people (Trump, Bannon, Priebus, Conway, Putin, and Bernie Sanders being 1-6, respectively), but let’s dial down the ‘war’ talk just a bit…

That is a very creative list. I bet you are not being honest though. I’m sure Hillary is higher up than Sanders on your real list. : )

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:23:23am

Now, some truly important news…

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:25:46am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

Darn. There goes my diet. lol. As long as they have Thin Mints and Trefoils I will be okay.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:26:21am

re: #223 PhillyPretzel

Darn. There goes my diet. lol As long as they have Thin Mints and Trifoils I will be okay.

Thin Mints, Tagalongs, and Samoas for me.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:29:54am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Prob posted already, but

Lindsey Graham ✔ @LindseyGrahamSC
Joint statement with Senators McCain, Schumer, and Reed on reports Russia interfered with the 2016 Election.

Goober Graham is probably just angling to pick up the pieces when/if Trump falls. It’s sleaze but damn gutsy and beneficial sleaze nevertheless. As for McCain, he has definitely never seemed like a candidate for a Kremlin snow-job, for…….reasons .

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:30:01am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Thin Mints, Tagalongs, and Samoas for me.

There ya go…
Those little “crack” dealers will be everywhere soon…

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:30:22am

I think Trump is going to use the Agile Software Development model for how he governs.

1. Everything is done in short sprints.
2. As things are completed and approved, they get deployed to production (drilling in ANWR, vouchers for Schools, eliminate minimum wage, repeal Obamacare, etc.)
3. Once deployed, work can begin on the next thing (Obamacare replacement, dealing with poisoned ecosystem and uneducated masses that need training, drafting enough people to police the food lines, etc…)
4. At the end of the term, hand the project off to the next president (along with partially thought out Obamacare replacement)

The important thing is to keep moving and delivering something, even if it’s only partially done…we can work out the bugs later.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:33:58am

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel

Goober Graham is probably just angling to pick up the pieces when/if Trump falls. It’s sleaze but damn gutsy and beneficial sleaze nevertheless. As for McCain, he has definitely never seemed like a candidate for a Kremlin snow-job, for…….reasons .

It’s probably the only reason to trust him now. Even then, I’m still not sure.

Graham is angling to be the only Republican standing after the disaster. I’m sure Ernst Röhm might just have warning or three for him.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:35:30am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

I seem to recall another guy who blew off intelligence reports, name of George W. Bush. Some nonsense about a guty named bin Laden.

My flight is boarding….

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:35:34am

re: #227 darthstar

IOW Microshafting the world in everything outside of the Windows software realm where we’re already Microshafted?

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:36:30am

re: #229 We’re Way Beyond Snark

I seem to recall another guy who blew off intelligence reports, name of George W. Bush. Some nonsense about a guty named bin Laden.

My flight is boarding….

The problem is all the people in this incoming regime that _want_ something worse to happen this time.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:39:58am

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel

I might be being naïve but I am hoping Mr. Graham is sincere and they know the dangers of Putin. OMG this man is not good. Even though I hate everything he stands for)
I know a lot of people put down Americans, but I like to remind these same people,”who should we emulate?” The British? Yes they were so sweet and kind to their international subjects. So huggable. Any other Europeans who treated their subjects so loving and sweet??? The French? The Dutch? Who?

All I know is that we must stop Trump.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:41:38am

re: #221 ObserverArt

That is a very creative list. I bet you are not being honest though. I’m sure Hillary is higher up than Sanders on your real list. : )

The Bernie Sanders thing was a joke because there are still Hillary people out there shitting on him while he talks about keeping up the fight. Like this guy (and yes, my response to him is somewhat sarcastic…I’m sure she’s out there somewhere speaking out against Trump’s appointments and their problems but the media won’t show it)…

You still think I hate Hillary? I don’t hold anything against Hillary. Hell, I even voted for her…without reservation. Did I think she’d be a great president? Hell no. Did I think she’d be a better president than Trump? Hell yes. Am I saddened by her loss in what should have been a landslide in her favor? Certainly. And do I think she can be helpful to Democrats in resisting Trump’s policies - she fuckin’ better be or everything she said she believed in when she campaigned was a lie.

At the end of the day we need Sanders. He’s talking more about how to fight to protect what Obama accomplished than anyone else in the Senate at this time.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:45:12am

re: #233 darthstar

At the end of the day we need Sanders. He’s talking more about how to fight to protect what Obama accomplished than anyone else in the Senate at this time.

As a socialist I used to think that. But am really tired of his Racist Socialism - white middle class only schtick. Sorry Bernie but there is far more to the proletariat than a bunch of angry racist idiots. We will not defeat what is holding everyone back by pandering to them.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:48:53am

re: #234 William Lewis

As a socialist I used to think that. But am really tired of his Racist Socialism - white middle class only schtick. Sorry Bernie but there is far more to the proletariat than a bunch of angry racist idiots. We will not defeat what is holding everyone back by pandering to them.

I’m not saying he’s perfect. And do we not fight Trump with him because of his comments about the white middle class still being important? He wasn’t saying, “Fuck people of color.” Not even close.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:49:28am

re: #234 William Lewis

As a socialist I used to think that. But am really tired of his Racist Socialism - white middle class only schtick. Sorry Bernie but there is far more to the proletariat than a bunch of angry racist idiots. We will not defeat what is holding everyone back by pandering to them.

That is one of my problems with him too. I really think he downplays the bigotry that exists among white working class people. I also have a big problem with him telling people to stop “identity politics” when it’s Republicans that have created these issues in the first place. It was Republicans that have championed anti choice policies throughout the states since gaining state legislatures, it’s Republicans who scapegoat LGBT people for votes, and it’s Republicans that make immigrants and non-Christians the “other.” I don’t think Sanders is a bigot but I think being in quite liberal and quite white Vermont gives him a picture of what’s going on in the American landscape that isn’t true.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:50:20am

re: #235 darthstar

I’m not saying he’s perfect. And do we not fight Trump with him because of his comments about the white middle class still being important? He wasn’t saying, “Fuck people of color.” Not even close.

We’ll fight with him. I’m fine with that but i really do think he should actually join the party if he’s so hellbent on telling the party what it ought to be. You may disagree with that but his refusal to actually join the party while telling them what they should do does bother people.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:53:30am

There is a serious problem within the Democratic party. They suffer from Abused wife syndrome of the Republicans.

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Skip Intro  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:55:04am
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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:57:36am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

That is one of my problems with him too. I really think he downplays the bigotry that exists among white working class people. I also have a big problem with him telling people to stop “identity politics” when it’s Republicans that have created these issues in the first place. It was Republicans that have championed anti choice policies throughout the states since gaining state legislatures, it’s Republicans who scapegoat LGBT people for votes, and it’s Republicans that make immigrants and non-Christians the “other.” I don’t think Sanders is a bigot but I think being in quite liberal and quite white Vermont gives him a picture of what’s going on in the American landscape that isn’t true.

I wonder sometimes though why he left a very diverse NYC for a very homogeneous Vermont. It’s something that tickles the back of my mind every so often when I hear him push his white middle class thing. It reminds me very strongly of some of my own anti-Korean prejudice born of time spent in the Army as well as on and around US Army posts. It’s been something I’ve had to fight very hard since I recognized it in myself a couple of decades ago.

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Belafon  Dec 11, 2016 • 10:58:42am

re: #225 Shiplord Kirel

Goober Graham is probably just angling to pick up the pieces when/if Trump falls. It’s sleaze but damn gutsy and beneficial sleaze nevertheless. As for McCain, he has definitely never seemed like a candidate for a Kremlin snow-job, for…….reasons .

So he’s acting like the way the system was supposed to work. I’ll take what I can get.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:00:29am

“Sen. Rand Paul is threatening to block President-elect Donald Trump’s likely pick of John Bolton as the No. 2 in the State Department.”

Paul said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that he’s an “automatic no on Bolton.”

“John Bolton doesn’t get it. He still believes in regime change. He’s still a big cheerleader for the Iraq War,” Paul said. “John Bolton is so far out of it and has such a naive understanding of the world.”

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Bass Reeves  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:01:25am

re: #235 darthstar

Speaking as a person of color, a large amount of Bernie’s rhetoric was actually ‘fuck persons of color, what’s important is economic class’. It’s not a ‘not even close thing’. It was a shitting on southern voters thing, a whitesplaining thing, even a post ‘we need to focus on working class’ which for some reason presumes that people of color don’t work. All of Bernie is problematic on race, starting with his assumption that because he marched with Dr. King, that was all he needed to do, continuing to having a fucking rapper as his black surrogate, instead of…I dunno…one of the thousands of black academicians or professional non-entertainers.

And his comments aren’t that the white middle class aren’t still important, his idea is that we should recenter the Democratic party (which HE IS NOT A MEMBER OF) around them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:06:10am

re: #240 William Lewis

I wonder sometimes though why he left a very diverse NYC for a very homogeneous Vermont. It’s something that tickles the back of my mind every so often when I hear him push his white middle class thing. It reminds me very strongly of some of my own anti-Korean prejudice born of time spent in the Army as well as on and around US Army posts. It’s been something I’ve had to fight very hard since I recognized it in myself a couple of decades ago.

I don’t get that either especially since he talks about being a proud New Yorker.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:06:27am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

We’ll fight with him. I’m fine with that but i really do think he should actually join the party if he’s so hellbent on telling the party what it ought to be. You may disagree with that but his refusal to actually join the party while telling them what they should do does bother people.

If someone tells me they support paying people a minimum wage people can live on I don’t care if they’re card carrying communists. We agree on the minimum wage. If they say they support solar power development over fracking, they can be evangelical Christians who think I’m going to hell when I die…we agree on going solar. If someone says they think we should stop turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinian people, I don’t care if they’re a Prius driving vegan*, we agree on a two state solution.

Do I care if Bernie’s got a D by his name? Fuck no. I’m a D. But we have open primaries here in California so I don’t have to remain a D. Maybe I can be an Independent or a Decline to State…problem is I align with pretty much everything that was in the Democratic platform (thanks Bernie for working with Hillary on that!). So I’m a Democrat…

*Full disclosure, I have a number of Prius driving vegan friends and they’re good people.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:06:44am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

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Can’t stand Rand but I’ll give him credit here.

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Citizen K  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:07:52am

re: #243 Bass Reeves

Speaking as a person of color, a large amount of Bernie’s rhetoric was actually ‘fuck persons of color, what’s important is economic class’. It’s not a ‘not even close thing’. It was a shitting on southern voters thing, a whitesplaining thing, even a post ‘we need to focus on working class’ which for some reason presumes that people of color don’t work. All of Bernie is problematic on race, starting with his assumption that because he marched with Dr. King, that was all he needed to do, continuing to having a fucking rapper as his black surrogate, instead of…I dunno…one of the thousands of black academicians or professional non-entertainers.

And his comments aren’t that the white middle class aren’t still important, his idea is that we should recenter the Democratic party (which HE IS NOT A MEMBER OF) around them.

What Bernie refuses to recognize is that racial disparities and economic disparities are separate but incestuous issues. One feeds into the other and then feeds back in to the first to self-perpetuate. You can’t address one without the other. A lot of civil rights activists (such as King himself) recognized and continue to recognize this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:08:24am

re: #245 darthstar

If someone tells me they support paying people a minimum wage people can live on I don’t care if they’re card carrying communists. We agree on the minimum wage. If they say they support solar power development over fracking, they can be evangelical Christians who think I’m going to hell when I die…we agree on going solar. If someone says they think we should stop turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinian people, I don’t care if they’re a Prius driving vegan*, we agree on a two state solution.

Do I care if Bernie’s got a D by his name? Fuck no. I’m a D. But we have open primaries here in California so I don’t have to remain a D. Maybe I can be an Independent or a Decline to State…problem is I align with pretty much everything that was in the Democratic platform (thanks Bernie for working with Hillary on that!). So I’m a Democrat…

*Full disclosure, I have a number of Prius driving vegan friends and they’re good people.

Not talking about the issues. I’m talking about him insisting that we listen to his vision of the party’s future for a party he has no desire to join. That may not be an issue to you but it bothers a lot of people. By all means, he should talk about those issues. I welcome that but he should either join the party or shut up about it if he’s going to insist that we’re not “listening” to the white middle class enough.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:09:42am

re: #243 Bass Reeves

Speaking as a person of color, a large amount of Bernie’s rhetoric was actually ‘fuck persons of color, what’s important is economic class’. It’s not a ‘not even close thing’. It was a shitting on southern voters thing, a whitesplaining thing, even a post ‘we need to focus on working class’ which for some reason presumes that people of color don’t work. All of Bernie is problematic on race, starting with his assumption that because he marched with Dr. King, that was all he needed to do, continuing to having a fucking rapper as his black surrogate, instead of…I dunno…one of the thousands of black academicians or professional non-entertainers.

And his comments aren’t that the white middle class aren’t still important, his idea is that we should recenter the Democratic party (which HE IS NOT A MEMBER OF) around them.

I really do resent him acting like so called identity politics is something minority groups caused.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:09:44am

re: #231 William Lewis

The problem is all the people in this incoming regime that _want_ something worse to happen this time.

Yup. But it won’t work to their intended goal of forcing unity on the oppressed majority. The division will only get worse.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:12:02am

If Sanders wants to talk issues, I’ll listen. He’s a Senator but if he’s not going to commit to actually join the Democratic Party, I don’t care about his opinion on the party’s future. It seems awfully conveinient to me. That he can associate himself with the Democrats during good times but then go “Hey I’m not a Dem, I’m an Indy” when times are bad. It’s gutless behavior for someone who portrays himself as not being a typical politician.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:17:40am

I don’t like to talk about Sanders much because the election is over and he has gone back into his own box. All I will say is I think he is a user. I lost a lot of respect for the man. His ideas were okay, the man…not so much. My opinion.

I sometimes wonder if a case could be made that he cost the Democrats the election.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:18:16am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Not talking about the issues. I’m talking about him insisting that we listen to his vision of the party’s future for a party he has no desire to join. That may not be an issue to you but it bothers a lot of people. By all means, he should talk about those issues. I welcome that but he should either join the party or shut up about it if he’s going to insist that we’re not “listening” to the white middle class enough.

I think his focus on the white middle class had more to do with winning rust-belt states (MI, WI, PA) than his being a bigot.

And if Bernie did ‘shut up’ like so many Democrats seem to want him to, then who would speak up? Boxer’s also retired. Schumer? Feinstein?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:19:37am

re: #227 darthstar

I think Trump is going to use the Agile Software Development model for how he governs.

1. Everything is done in short sprints.
2. As things are completed and approved, they get deployed to production (drilling in ANWR, vouchers for Schools, eliminate minimum wage, repeal Obamacare, etc.)
3. Once deployed, work can begin on the next thing (Obamacare replacement, dealing with poisoned ecosystem and uneducated masses that need training, drafting enough people to police the food lines, etc…)
4. At the end of the term, hand the project off to the next president (along with partially thought out Obamacare replacement)

The important thing is to keep moving and delivering something, even if it’s only partially done…we can work out the bugs later.

That’s going to be the plan. But they are drafting the plan in a vacuum absolutely ignorant of the obvious consequences, civil or otherwise.

They try that, and kiss the republic goodbye.

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scottslemmons  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:20:55am

re: #253 darthstar

And if Bernie did ‘shut up’ like so many Democrats seem to want him to, then who would speak up? Boxer’s also retired. Schumer? Feinstein?

We really do have such a painfully shallow bench. :(

The Republicans have a deep, nearly endless trench of crazy motherfuckers — and we’ve got the current legislators and almost no one else. :(

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:21:43am

re: #252 ObserverArt

I don’t like to talk about Sanders much because the election is over and he has gone back into his own box. All I will say is I think he is a user. I lost a lot of respect for the man. His ideas were okay, the man…not so much. My opinion.

I sometimes wonder if a case could be made that he cost the Democrats the election.

He gave enough weapons to the Jillbots to cost MI, PA & WI…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:22:58am

re: #253 darthstar

I think his focus on the white middle class had more to do with winning rust-belt states (MI, WI, PA) than his being a bigot.

And if Bernie did ‘shut up’ like so many Democrats seem to want him to, then who would speak up? Boxer’s also retired. Schumer? Feinstein?

Can you not put words in my mouth? I don’t think the man’s a bigot. I do think he’s ignorant about bigotry that does exist among the WWC. I also don’t want him to “shut up.” I just wish he would join the party if he wants to talk about the party itself’s direction.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:26:04am

re: #252 ObserverArt

I don’t like to talk about Sanders much because the election is over and he has gone back into his own box. All I will say is I think he is a user. I lost a lo of respect for the man. His ideas were okay, the man…not so much. My opinion.

I sometimes wonder if a case could be made that he cost the Democrats the election.

Of course the case could be made. Hell, I saw him smile at the very first primary debate when he told Hillary nobody wanted to hear about her damn emails. Certainly it was a nod to Putin that in 15 months Trump would be the GOP nominee and eventual victor. Remember when he went to see the Pope? He made a side trip to meet with young Macedonian fake news website makers at an all night Rave under the Vatican. Then there were all the campaign stops he made for Hillary in the closing months where he said, “We need to do everything we can to make sure Trump isn’t elected president.” but we know he didn’t really mean it.

Totes Bernie’s fault. Natch.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:26:47am

There’s a difference IMO between being a bigot which Trump is and having an IMO overly rosy view of the WWC. Now, do I think every white working class person is a bigot? No, I don’t but I do think they have certain prejudices that makes them suspectable to right wing populism than other groups.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:29:41am

Would Bernie have won those states that Clinton lost? I honestly don’t know but honestly it bothers me that the same people who hate it when the electability card is used against them play it themselves to satisfy their desires. I also didn’t like the attacks on closed primaries either. It’s not terrible to think that Democratic voters should be the ones who nominate Democratic nominees.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:29:56am

re: #253 darthstar

I think his focus on the white middle class had more to do with winning rust-belt states (MI, WI, PA) than his being a bigot.

And if Bernie did ‘shut up’ like so many Democrats seem to want him to, then who would speak up? Boxer’s also retired. Schumer? Feinstein?

Where do you get that so many Democrats want him to shut up??? I don’t see that anywhere as a major thing. I do see plenty of Bernie supporters still snorting about him being screwed over by the DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and Clinton was the wrong candidate, the Democrats did this all to themselves, etc.

Maybe they need to shut up too, eh?

And as far as speaking up…he can but doesn’t speak for the Democratic party. He is not a member. So yeah, it would have to be someone else. And there will be. It is going to take time, the party needs some younger blood.

They should no longer count on Bernie for anything. And no that does not mean they can’t use his voting, etc. I said he can’t be counted on as in trusted.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:31:04am

re: #255 scottslemmons

We really do have such a painfully shallow bench. :(

The Republicans have a deep, nearly endless trench of crazy motherfuckers — and we’ve got the current legislators and almost no one else. :(

The problem with our current two-party system is that the so-called ‘left’ side of the aisle never fully recovered from 8 years of bashing by Bush and his team. They were so afraid of being called ‘unpatriotic’ they rubber stamped the Iraq war. Then, when we get a godsend of a president in Obama, they recoil in fear of Fox News and barely support him for eight years…they should have been roasting McConnell’s nuts over a fire the last six years but they didn’t want to hurt the turtle’s feelings.

You want to see outrage? Wait until their first Filibuster gets squashed in under three hours. Then people will realize they’re not going to fight for them because fuck it, they lost and they need to keep their powder dry for 2020.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:34:46am

re: #258 darthstar

How about extending the primary beyond the point where he could mathematically win?

How about providing cover for the purity ponies by calling her specifically ‘unqualified’?

How about attacking her on the Crime Bill WHICH HE VOTED FOR?

Attacking her on her speeches, the Clinton Foundation, trade agreements,  and goddamn Bill Clinton’s behavior? Does that sound fucking familiar?

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:34:48am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:35:47am

re: #264 jaunte

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Christ.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:36:51am

re: #231 William Lewis

The problem is all the people in this incoming regime that _want_ something worse to happen this time.

That’s what scares me most: A major terror attack that gives Trump carte blanche to crank the Fascism up to 11.

And I also worry Russia might easily be able to engineer such an attack should they want trigger such an outcome.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:38:19am

re: #113 E Deploribus Unum

I remembered that when I was first introduced to this blog, the author’s views were much more in line with my own. Turns out they indeed used to be! I thought maybe I was just losing it for a while there.

Apparently not as much as you thought, because I would never have voted for someone like Donald Trump. But I did wake up and realize the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the right years ago. What’s your excuse?

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:38:25am

re: #258 darthstar

Of course the case could be made. Hell, I saw him smile at the very first primary debate when he told Hillary nobody wanted to hear about her damn emails. Certainly it was a nod to Putin that in 15 months Trump would be the GOP nominee and eventual victor. Remember when he went to see the Pope? He made a side trip to meet with young Macedonian fake news website makers at an all night Rave under the Vatican. Then there were all the campaign stops he made for Hillary in the closing months where he said, “We need to do everything we can to make sure Trump isn’t elected president.” but we know he didn’t really mean it.

Totes Bernie’s fault. Natch.

I’m talking about strictly party politics. You are talking bout being upset that anyone should take Bernie to task for being who he is…NOT a Democratic Party member.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:38:59am

re: #261 ObserverArt

Where do you get that so many Democrats want him to shut up???

Here.

I don’t see that anywhere as a major thing. I do see plenty of Bernie supporters still snorting about him being screwed over by the DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and Clinton was the wrong candidate, the Democrats did this all to themselves, etc.

Maybe they need to shut up too, eh?

Yeah, I gave up on the DWS thing after the convention started and she finally got the boot from the DNC and went to work for Hillary myself…water under the bridge and all that. I don’t understand how people can still be mad about losing the primary.

And as far as speaking up…he can but doesn’t speak for the Democratic party. He is not a member. So yeah, it would have to be someone else. And there will be. It is going to take time, the party needs some younger blood.

They should no longer count on Bernie for anything. And no that does not mean they can’t use his voting, etc. I said he can’t be counted on as in trusted.

He’s not speaking for the Democratic party. He’s speaking for you and me and everyone else who calls this country home. Why is that so fucking hard for people to understand?

Democrats vs Republicans isn’t the Cowboys/Redskins rivalry.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:39:31am

re: #268 ObserverArt

I’m talking about strictly party politics. You are talking bout being upset that anyone should take Bernie to task for being who he is…NOT a Democratic Party member.

Exactly, as I’ve said. If Bernie wants to talk about minimum wage issues, I’ll listen but I won’t listen if he wants to talk about the Democratic Party’s strategy for winning elections. I’d change my mind if he joined the party.

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JasonA  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:39:54am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what scares me most: A major terror attack that gives Trump carte blanche to crank the Fascism up to 11.

And I also worry Russia might easily be able to engineer such an attack should they want trigger such an outcome.

I don’t even think it’s necessary. All the administration needs to do is not act when real terrorists actually do decide to attack.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:42:05am

Even when I was much more conservative-minded than I am now, I never thought of Trump as anything more than an egomaniacal casino touting carnival barker.
I still can’t believe so many conservatives are pretending to take him seriously.

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darthstar  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:42:37am

re: #268 ObserverArt

I’m talking about strictly party politics. You are talking bout being upset that anyone should take Bernie to task for being who he is…NOT a Democratic Party member.

Yeah, we disagree on Bernie. I think he’s important in our Senate.

Okay…gotta run. Mother in law needs me to do some shit for her, and I’m a good son in law…mostly. Besides, I enjoy bantering with her. Neat lady.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:42:51am

re: #272 jaunte

Even when I was much more conservative-minded than I am now, I never thought of Trump as anything more than an egomaniacal casino touting carnival barker.
I still can’t believe so many conservatives are pretending to take him seriously.

Yeah I always thought he was an obnoxious boob.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:43:09am

re: #272 jaunte

Same. And the Birther movement he played a huge part in legitimizing was always repulsive to me.

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:43:42am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Yeah I always thought he was an obnoxious boob.

He is an obnoxious boob, and that’s what his loyalists want.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:46:47am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what scares me most: A major terror attack that gives Trump carte blanche to crank the Fascism up to 11.

And I also worry Russia might easily be able to engineer such an attack should they want trigger such an outcome.

There’s going to be violent reactions all over the place, as liberal cities will forcibly resist, then be attacked by the federal LEOs. People will turn on each other and another civil war erupts.

Needless to say, I have little to no confidence that the United States will survive.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:46:52am

re: #276 jaunte

He is an obnoxious boob, and that’s what his loyalists want.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:47:55am

re: #269 darthstar

Here.

Yeah, I gave up on the DWS thing after the convention started and she finally got the boot from the DNC and went to work for Hillary myself…water under the bridge and all that. I don’t understand how people can still be mad about losing the primary.

He’s not speaking for the Democratic party. He’s speaking for you and me and everyone else who calls this country home. Why is that so fucking hard for people to understand?

Democrats vs Republicans isn’t the Cowboys/Redskins rivalry.

I understand you see yourself as a free thinker and that is fine. But there are structures to party politics.

If your contention is that Democrats and Republicans are just a rivalry…then it will be so very easy for you to explain why Bernie didn’t run as an Independent, Libertarian, Green, American, Freedom, etc. candidate. Right? All that rivalry stuff is unneeded. But he chose to join one of the rivals. Why?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:49:10am

re: #264 jaunte

If all the kids get government jobs who runs his company?

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:50:03am

re: #280 Eclectic Cyborg

I think he wants them in the White House to run both his companies and the government simultaneously.

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scottslemmons  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:51:02am

re: #264 jaunte

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This is one of the few things that actually leaves me feeling encouraged.

These people are so very corrupt, and so very overconfident. They genuinely believe they’ve got their Thousand Year Reich, and no one will ever be able to stop them. They’re not trying to hide anything — and they don’t have the brainpower to hide anything if they could. They’re not even considering the possibility of failure. And they don’t have even the shallow competency that the Nazis had.

I think when they fail, it’ll be fucking spectacular. I think a lot of them will end up in prison, a lot of them will end up dead, and a few of them will manage to escape to huddle around Putin for protection.

Not that they won’t manage to fuck things up really, really badly first…

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:51:14am

He’s going to do what he wants and defy people to sue him.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:52:31am

re: #272 jaunte

Even when I was much more conservative-minded than I am now, I never thought of Trump as anything more than an egomaniacal casino touting carnival barker.
I still can’t believe so many conservatives are pretending to take him seriously.

The Tea Party was itself nothing more than egomania and carnival barking. Trump’s the obvious leader.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:52:43am

re: #282 scottslemmons

This is one of the few things that actually leaves me feeling encouraged.

These people are so very corrupt, and so very overconfident. They genuinely believe they’ve got their Thousand Year Reich, and no one will ever be able to stop them. They’re not trying to hide anything — and they don’t have the brainpower to hide anything if they could. They’re not even considering the possibility of failure. And they don’t have even the shallow competency that the Nazis had.

I think when they fail, it’ll be fucking spectacular. I think a lot of them will end up in prison, a lot of them will end up dead, and a few of them will manage to escape to huddle around Putin for protection.

Not that they won’t manage to fuck things up really, really badly first…

I really do think their delusion that they have a mandate will do them in but at the same time, I do worry about a lot of innocent people being hurt i nteh proess.

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:53:02am

re: #273 darthstar

Yeah, we disagree on Bernie. I think he’s important in our Senate.

Okay…gotta run. Mother in law needs me to do some shit for her, and I’m a good son in law…mostly. Besides, I enjoy bantering with her. Neat lady.

Maybe you won’t see this. But you just dodged the whole debate. I never said he wasn’t a good and important senator. Where do you get that?

But now you are gone…

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Bass Reeves  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:54:25am

re: #286 ObserverArt

He never responded to anything I said…probably for the best.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:55:07am

re: #287 Bass Reeves

He never responded to anything I said…probably for the best.

Made it out like I said Bernie was a bigot when I clearly did not say that.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:55:34am

re: #282 scottslemmons

This is one of the few things that actually leaves me feeling encouraged.

These people are so very corrupt, and so very overconfident. They genuinely believe they’ve got their Thousand Year Reich, and no one will ever be able to stop them. They’re not trying to hide anything — and they don’t have the brainpower to hide anything if they could. They’re not even considering the possibility of failure. And they don’t have even the shallow competency that the Nazis had.

I think when they fail, it’ll be fucking spectacular. I think a lot of them will end up in prison, a lot of them will end up dead, and a few of them will manage to escape to huddle around Putin for protection.

Not that they won’t manage to fuck things up really, really badly first…

Look at what happens in many third world nations after a corrupt coup happens - they loot like crazy until another coup throws them out. Repeat ad infinitum. The rarity is if a strong enough regime gets in (Cuba) to prevent that cycle; the question is, of course, if the cost of the cure is less than the cost of the disease…

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Quiet Storm  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:56:00am

re: #43 electrotek

I am doing Shawn King’s daily actions. He helped raise enough money in 2 days to supply the water protectors with shelter, heat, and transportation.

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William Lewis  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:57:08am

re: #286 ObserverArt

Maybe you won’t see this. But you just dodged the whole debate. I never said he wasn’t a good and important senator. Where do you get that?

But now you are gone…

He’s our left wing DF. I may or may not be wrong as fuck on occasion (see my arguments against twitter) but I’ll stick around and keep up the argument.

Unless I pass out from too much beer … ;)

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Skip Intro  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:57:23am

re: #281 jaunte

I think he wants them in the White House to run both his companies and the government simultaneously.

They are. Who’s going to stop them?

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jaunte  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:58:11am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 11, 2016 • 11:58:57am

re: #293 jaunte

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Trump won’t take it seriously until 007 verifies it. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:05:24pm

re: #188 sagehen

I have an icky icky theory of what Putin has on Trump.

When he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe thing… what’s the odds on FSB being able to find and set him up with a hooker who looks a lot like Ivanka WHEN SHE WAS 11? They instruct her (or Donald instructs her) to call him “daddy”?

That’s a recording that he’d do ANYTHING to avoid having released.

ftfy

An adult “swallow” who looks like Ivanka? Meh.

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scottslemmons  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:15:59pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what scares me most: A major terror attack that gives Trump carte blanche to crank the Fascism up to 11.

And I also worry Russia might easily be able to engineer such an attack should they want trigger such an outcome.

You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if they faked up an attack and then utterly tipped their hand.

“Everyone stay out of Grand Central Station today. I hear there’s gonna be a hyuuge terrorist attack. Very big, just the best, the very best terrorist attack.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:23:25pm

re: #291 William Lewis

He’s our left wing DF. I may or may not be wrong as fuck on occasion (see my arguments against twitter) but I’ll stick around and keep up the argument.

Unless I pass out from too much beer … ;)

I like a good debate, wordplay, etc. Keeps me on my toes and thinking…which I like to do as it goes into my song writing, Photoshop creations for our entertainment, and other artistic thinking such as graphic arts ideas, etc.

I guess I see it as way to keep sharp as I get older. And I hope a good back and forth helps others too. Nothing wrong keeping Darth alert either. I hope he feels that way too. Bernie would want it.

Hell, I’d love a good sit down with Bernie, a bottle of aged Scotch and maybe even a nice joint just for the occasion. I bet it could go for hours. That would be a good time to me.

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BeachDem  Dec 11, 2016 • 12:57:28pm

re: #235 darthstar

I’m not saying he’s perfect. And do we not fight Trump with him because of his comments about the white middle class still being important? He wasn’t saying, “Fuck people of color.” Not even close.

So what is the purpose of him doing a townhall with Chris Hayes in Kenosha, WI on Monday? It’s being called “All in America: Bernie Sanders in Trump Country.” Is it to stir up more in-fighting among Democrats? To bash Hillary some more post-election?

Trump beat Hillary by just 255 votes in Kenosha (Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold by 1871 votes there).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 11, 2016 • 1:20:12pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone should point Kurt Eichenwald to the ABC miniseries Amerika…..


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