Trump Surrogate Roger Stone: Trump Interviewed Romney "To Torture Him"

Trump Surrogate Roger Stone: Trump Interviewed Romney “To Torture Him”

“To toy with him”

PoliticsDecember 2016 • Views: 43,748

From the disturbing photo above, it was already pretty damned obvious what was going on when Donald Trump met Mitt Romney for dinner, dangling the prospect of a Secretary of State nomination in front of him like a fishing lure, but yesterday Trump’s friend and ally Roger Stone went on the Alex Jones fake news and conspiracy show (as he does very frequently) to make it crystal clear.

Trump was torturing Mitt Romney. Toying with him.

Stone says this is perfectly fine and understandable, because Romney “isn’t the kind of man you want for secretary of State.”

But we’re getting the kind of narcissistic sociopath for president who delights in publicly humiliating, torturing and toying with his enemies. Romney should have known this, but his greed for power blinded him.

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gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 4:42:09pm

@Heritage
Thanks to Trump, “Merry Christmas” now means hate, ignorance and fear and Santa has been replaced by an Ortange Shitgibbon.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) December 13, 2016

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Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 4:42:55pm

Yet all of these gutless weasels come crawling on their bellies to Trump Palace when summoned.

You’d think just one of them would tell him to fuck off.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 4:43:54pm

somebody quick … lock the door downstairs and trap the troll.

Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 4:44:09pm

The press followed the Trump team’s talk about how this showed he was being magnanimous, he was bringing in former critics and showing he could put the campaign behind him and forgive guys like Willard.

What a buncha rubes.

William Lewis Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:09pm

This is why it utterly disgusts me that anyone who could even pretend to call themselves a Christian could vote for Trump. He. Is. Evil. Period. But you see the fundamentalist anti-Christians turn themselves into pretzels daily trying to justify him. SMDH.

Christ Jesus have mercy on the rest of us, please?

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:09pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

The press followed the Trump team’s talk about how this showed he was being magnanimous, he was bringing in a former critics and showing he could put the campaign behind him and forgive guys like Willard.

What a buncha rubes.

Next to Trump voters, the media as a whole are the stupidest people in the country.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:31pm

I will be making my announcement on the next Secretary of State tomorrow morning.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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calochortus Dec 12, 2016 • 4:46:55pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“On” the next secretary of state? Like, standing on him?

jhncsy Dec 12, 2016 • 4:48:10pm

And of course, Trump’s going to try this shit on foreign powers, like China. God damn it all.

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 4:49:14pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this really from Trump? He didn’t say “stay tuned”.

Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 4:49:55pm

re: #8 calochortus

“On” the next secretary of state? Like, standing on him?

Then it IS Romney!

GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 4:50:58pm

@realDonaldTrump where are those millions of illegal votes you mentioned? Maybe Russia can help find them.

— efuseakay (@efuseakay) December 13, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 4:51:31pm

“Listen” - a story in three parts. pic.twitter.com/wDmUbWfF51

— Sahil Lavingia (@shl) December 11, 2016

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b.d. Dec 12, 2016 • 4:53:09pm

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 4:54:33pm

re: #14 b.d.

Kasich had his own place in hell with the “heartbeat” bill.

Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 4:54:35pm

re: #13 gocart mozart

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Start the difficult conversations. Then run like hell when someone responds.

Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 4:57:51pm

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

Start the difficult conversations. Then run like hell when someone responds.

She didn’t write “finish conversations.” /s, sort of

OT - We went to the California State Railroad Museum today (my wife loves railroads, growing up next to the Illinois Central railyard in Chicago). She got to drive a high-speed rail simulator (it simulates a Japanese train). She has been all happy since, since she didn’t kill anyone in the simulation.

She wanted to be a locomotive engineer growing up, but was constantly told (by family and friends) “that’s not women’s work.” She instead became a software engineer.

Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 4:58:04pm

re: #14 b.d.

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

A small number of NeverTrumpers managed to keep their dignity intact. Romney? Did he ever seriously think he was in the running for anything but humiliation?

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:00:12pm

re: #14 b.d.

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

Ana Navarro, Tom Nichols and Evan McMullan have stuck to their guns. I have respect for Ana because she broke from party totally to endorse and vote for Hillary.

Dave In Austin Dec 12, 2016 • 5:00:53pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:02:56pm

Finally, they got some facts on Wikipedia. pic.twitter.com/HMVP5HTXFy

— Kaleb Horton (@kalebhorton) May 9, 2016

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calochortus Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:34pm

re: #17 Anymouse

The Central Valley tends to be conservative, but I hope you can feel the waves of liberalness emanating from the coastal portions of the state.

Congrats to your wife for not killing anyone. Even virtually.

b.d. Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:37pm

re: #19 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ana Navarro, Tom Nichols and Evan McMullan have stuck to their guns. I have respect for Ana because she broke from party totally to endorse and vote for Hillary.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

Dave In Austin Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:40pm

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:43pm

Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:55pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

Lots of Ideological Conservatives realized they’d been fooling themselves about who the GOP base were, and what they really wanted.

Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Dec 12, 2016 • 5:04:11pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Any bets that it is going to be Allen West - who openly advocated genocide of Muslims over the weekend, and got a subsequent invite to Trump Tower today?

nydailynews.com

b.d. Dec 12, 2016 • 5:05:20pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

It has been nice

jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 5:05:36pm

WOW: @cbouzy: Someone started dumping Lockheed Martin stock just before Trump’s tweet: Tweet was 8:26 AM EST, LMT dumping started 8:20 AM pic.twitter.com/43hyxd1s5E

— Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) December 12, 2016

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If someone knew Trump would tweet that & dumped stock, that’s insider trading. If Trump knew it was happening, he’s guilty of conspiracy. https://t.co/Ly5znQGMxe

— Joseph Nobles (@BoloBoffin) December 13, 2016

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Most corrupt administration in history.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:06:09pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

NOPE. Not now, not ever, no way.

calochortus Dec 12, 2016 • 5:06:31pm

re: #29 jaunte

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Most corrupt administration in history.

I wonder if anyone will investigate?

scottslemmons Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:00pm

re: #29 jaunte

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Most corrupt administration in history.

And they ain’t even in office yet…

b.d. Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:53pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

Can’t think of any reason to whatsoever.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:59pm

re: #23 b.d.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

Was Bill Kristol remotely accurate on ANYTHING this year?

GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 5:08:39pm

re: #29 jaunte

Probably Trump himself… and his kids.

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:10pm

re: #34 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Was Bill Kristol remotely accurate on ANYTHING this year?

I think he’s still batting a perfect .000.

gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:12pm

“Leaderless and lacking a strategy, top party officials worry they’re not ready for Trump’s first 100 days” https://t.co/WpkL9Y5cRg pic.twitter.com/8ySsDT1lVa

— Artzthings (@Artzthings) December 13, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:54pm

re: #17 Anymouse

She didn’t write “finish conversations.” /s, sort of

OT - We went to the California State Railroad Museum today (my wife loves railroads, growing up next to the Illinois Central railyard in Chicago). She got to drive a high-speed rail simulator (it simulates a Japanese train). She has been all happy since, since she didn’t kill anyone in the simulation.

She wanted to be a locomotive engineer growing up, but was constantly told (by family and friends) “that’s not women’s work.” She instead became a software engineer.

Didja see the Cab Forward locomotive? Amazing things! Ginormous! Strange, too, with the firebox and cab in front!

Dave In Austin Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:11pm

Bernie is stumping again.

gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:26pm

@realDonaldTrump Will it be Rex Tillerson? John Bolton? Either way, we’re ready pic.twitter.com/hGLcZs1Pfh

— Matt Peterson (@mattbpete) December 13, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:32pm

re: #39 Dave In Austin

Bernie is stumping ~~again~~ still.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:41pm

re: #23 b.d.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

Speak of the devil:
The good news:
Twenty-one years after co-founding The Weekly Standard with executive editor Fred Barnes, editor Bill Kristol announced his retirement from that position on Monday.

The bad news:

In a note published on the magazine’s website, Kristol announced that he would become The Weekly Standard’s editor-at-large, “continuing to write weekly editorials and contribute to the website.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:11:00pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

I think he’s still batting a perfect .000.

Mario Mendoza is jealous.

Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 5:11:49pm

This is an actual headline on Breitbart. Apparently peer-reviewed science is so threatening, you should arm yourself. pic.twitter.com/1nwAYy6iqR

— Kelsey Kennedy (@kelseyrkennedy) December 12, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:12:03pm

pic.twitter.com/GdLP58lB9V

— Tom Tomorrow (@tomtomorrow) December 13, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:12:36pm

The imbecile who repeatedly referred to it as “the cyber” thinks he’s smart enough to know whether Russian hackers manipulated the election.

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) December 13, 2016

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Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 5:13:23pm

The reviews are in for new Russian citizen Steven Seagal, and they’re not pretty.

“…he gives the kind of performance traditionally associated with stars who died during filming.” SEAGAL IS BACK https://t.co/4g3WSI0HYT

— NIGHT BUFF-FORE XMAS (@edsbs) December 9, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 12, 2016 • 5:13:47pm

It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas. pic.twitter.com/iLjpDQmDvA

— Heritage Foundation (@Heritage) December 12, 2016

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I don’t recall you ever stopping. In fact, I’m pretty sure of this BECAUSE YOU NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT. https://t.co/oUvGEJuFfE

— skullsinthestars (@drskyskull) December 13, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 12, 2016 • 5:14:18pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, his son, who’s only 10 years old is so good with the computer, so good, let me tell you. You wouldn’t believe it!

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 5:14:34pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Good to see they’re sticking with the Nazi theme.

Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 5:15:27pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

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I think this is the worlds first ever instance of Perrier boarding. Or that wine is as white as Trumps new cabinet.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:15:38pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

PhillyPretzel Dec 12, 2016 • 5:16:13pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

As I have commented before as to Gov Jindal I am not giving up my heritage just to make you happy.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:16:40pm

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:17:40pm

re: #54 BeachDem

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Next up: Selling nights in the Lincoln Bedroom.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:09pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

I’m curious how their “boycotts” of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:16pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

As I have commented before as to Gov Jindal I am not giving up my heritage just to make you happy.

Honestly to people I know celebrate Christmas and I know I’ll see them before New Years, I will say Merry Christmas but if I won’t see someone between Christmas and the New Year or they don’t celebrate Christmas, I will say Happy Holidays. These people almost make the holiday season unbearable with the constant whining about this crap. Bing Crosby was saying Happy Holiday. Trump and FNC’s own cards have wished people Happy Holidays.

Skip Intro Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:32pm

re: #54 BeachDem

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

I had to steal this.

“With Bristol Palin’s coffee date, you also get a free kid.”

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:52pm

re: #56 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m curious how their boycotts of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

Probably about as well as their Hamilton boycott. By the way are Fruity Pebbles, Kelloggs, because, I had some today.

gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:20:17pm

Squeeze - Pulling Mussels

Unabogie Dec 12, 2016 • 5:21:16pm

I will be making my announcement on the next Secretary of State tomorrow morning.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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@realDonaldTrump Will it be someone awful and hopelessly tied to Russia? My money’s on “yes”. Shitgibbon. https://t.co/z6VNZZjeGk

— Orange Cosby (@Unabogie) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:22:14pm

It’s gonna be Tillerson.

ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 5:25:17pm

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:26:02pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

Brought up already. I’m expecting Bernie to run again in 2020 for the party he wants nothing to do with formally.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:26:23pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

I had to steal this.

“With Bristol Palin’s coffee date, you also get a free kid.”

I liked this one too:

QVC is the new Camelot.

Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:27:39pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:29:16pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

Wouldn’t be a Bernie rodeo without that would it? Not watching. I’m tired of Sanders acting like he’s the only one who understands the Middle Class. There are plenty of elected officials who grew up just as humble as he did and many more who live just as modestly who don’t have his arrogance when it comes to claiming to have a feel for the working class’s pulse.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:30:11pm

Sorry if that sounded a little salty but he’s not helping matters at all. I appreciate that he helped Clinton when he did but he lied to his supporters and created a big mess because of those lies.

ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:11pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

Pretty much, but the people of Kenosha are giving him some heavy kickback on some of it too. He just got some flak from the Trump voters about the minimum wage.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:38pm

Ugh. @chrislhayes and @SenSanders are busy pandering to the WWC myth and ignoring the race and gender issues that pervaded this election.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) December 13, 2016

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Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:45pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Sorry if that sounded a little salty but he’s not helping matters at all. I appreciate that he helped Clinton when he did but he lied to his supporters and created a big mess because of those lies.

The man caused the party so much grief that he bears a lot of responsibility for the end result. The moment he departed from his promise to make the race about the issues and started in on the “She’s so corrupt!” bit, I knew it was gonna go downhill from there. He was already getting angry and bitter and Iowa hadn’t even voted.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

Re: the Politico story:

Trump is vulnerable AF, both domestically and internationally. The GOP is incredibly dysfunctional and has the potential to commit mutiny on their leadership again a la Bohner. That’s not to say nothing will happen, but these fuckers will trip on their domination style because their greed and delusions of power will get the better of them. We are not talking about truly disciplined statesmen here.

And that’s not considering the inevitable foreign policy disasters that will cripple Trump and Co. right out of the gate. China is waiting to inflict pain on all of us as punishment for Trump.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:34:54pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The man caused the party so much grief that he bears a lot of responsibility for the end result. The moment he departed from his promise to make the race about the issues and started in on the “She’s so corrupt!” bit, I knew it was gonna go downhill from there. He was already getting angry and bitter and Iowa hadn’t even voted.

He’s going to be in for a rude awakening if he runs again. He won’t do as well as this time. Honestly, I liked him at first but as he got more and more of a cult following, the more I disliked him because as you get at, he became less about the issues and more bitter. Plus as a Southern voter, his “Oh those states are very conservative anyhow” after he lost them really pissed me off since he was silent as hell about the fact he was winning equally conservative red states. It was the whole “I’m not a typical politician” thing while acting very much like a typical politician that pissed me off about Bernie. Yeah Clinton’s a politician too but she never tried to present like Bernie that she was somehow above it at all.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:18pm

We’re facing one of the major stories in political history and @chrislhayes is chit-chatting with @BernieSanders about his campaign message.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) December 13, 2016

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:32pm

re: #29 jaunte

What did Mr. Trump tweet this time? (Apparently I missed it.)

The friendre: #38 Blind Frog Belly White

Didja see the Cab Forward locomotive? Amazing things! Ginormous! Strange, too, with the firebox and cab in front!

That thing is monumental! And big, too.re: #52 HappyWarrior

And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

We were buying gasoline in Nevada, and behind me an argument erupted in the parking lot between two people. Apparently one pulled into a space as the other was going to pull through it.

That guy jumped out of his truck and started yelling, then said he was going to get something to settle it. He came from the back of his truck and I dove behind the Smart car thinking “great, if this asshole starts firing a gun there is a gas pump right behind me.”

Instead he came up with some sort of tire iron (like beating someone is better than shooting him), but the other fellow backed out and drove off.

Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:51pm

And that headline is a reference to an infamous Nazi slogan. https://t.co/2WSGr1RTiH @kelseyrkennedy pic.twitter.com/BpXwr7Cmgm

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:05pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

Pretty much, but the people of Kenosha are giving him some heavy kickback on some of it too. He just got some flak from the Trump voters about the minimum wage.

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:33pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two white guys who make a good amount of money telling minority and women voters that their concerns are “identity politics.” I really wish Chris and Bernie would try for once to put themselves in someone else’s shoes instead of doing the whoa is the white working class shit. No, the white working class doesn’t have it easy I concede but they don’t have politicians actively trying to take away their rights the way those groups do too.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:39pm

My latest @Newsweek investigative cover story about Trump will be dropping tomorrow at 7:00 AM Eastern time at https://t.co/PAIbPKkIC6.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) December 12, 2016

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Trump team knows @Newsweek story coming 2morrow about his business. They know what it says. They postpone announcing plans 4 business 2day.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:51pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie is the new McCain.

VegasGolfer Dec 12, 2016 • 5:37:16pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

I came in about 15 minutes after it started, and in 2 minutes, i was ready to throw my beer at the tv listening to some of those people talking.

Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 5:37:38pm

re: #56 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m curious how their “boycotts” of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

And Target, and Starbucks, and Wal*Mart, and the Washington Post, and …

I get the feeling that right-wingers really don’t understand how this whole “boycott” thing works.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:03pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And I’m sure they’re getting as many digs at Hillary as possible.

Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:23pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Bernie is the new McCain.

No, he’s the new Joe Lieberman. He wants the party to cater to him and his ego, shedding that “nice guy” persona any time he doesn’t get his way. The media keeps buying into him as this “aw shucks” grandfatherly guy even though most of his colleagues say he’s nothing but a do-nothing blowhard who will piss in your cornflakes if you get in his way.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:33pm

re: #77 BeachDem

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

Right, it was merely economics as Bernie wants to claim, Feingold should have beat Johnson or at least out ran Clinton there. He did not. Bernie doesn’t want to admit it but his beloved WWC just isn’t receptive to the liberal message anymore and a lot of it is because they simply don’t care about a lot of the issues that we find important. They don’t value choice, they don’t value LGBT rights, they don’t value immigrants and racial/religious minorities not being treated as hostiles in their own country and it is beyond infuriating to see someone like Bernie ignore that.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:00pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

No, he’s the new Joe Lieberman. He wants the party to cater to him and his ego, shedding that “nice guy” persona any time he doesn’t get his way. The media keeps buying into him as this “aw shucks” grandfatherly guy even though most of his colleagues say he’s nothing but a do-nothing blowhard who will piss in your cornflakes if you get in his way.

Yeah that is more apt.

gocart mozart Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:06pm

It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas. pic.twitter.com/iLjpDQmDvA

— Heritage Foundation (@Heritage) December 12, 2016

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https://t.co/L7ULRYKKHF
Thanks to Trump, “Merry Christmas” now means hate and ignorance and Santa has been deposed by an Orange Shitgibbon.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) December 13, 2016

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:10pm

re: #77 BeachDem

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

That’s why I am watching this. Not so much for Bernie as for what the actual people are saying. Bernie to me is just the flame that is lighting this debate.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 5:42:08pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank God for Kurt Eichenwald and Teen Vogue.

VegasGolfer Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:15pm

Fuck some of those people on the hayes show. Most are, i got mine, so screw the rest of you

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:36pm

I really think a lot of white progressives have a rosy colored vision of the WWC because frankly it’s what so many of our families came from to become Democrats and liberals in the first place. As you guys know, my mom’s grandfathers were both coal miners. Union men all the way. I honestly have no idea how they’d vote in 2016. Maybe they would buy Trump’s bs about the mines, maybe they wouldn’t but what Bernie and a lot of white progressives who want us to ditch “identity politics” ignore men like my great grandfatehrs were also immigrants. They not only fought poor treatment economically but were also fighting to be recognized as Americans and that I imagine was just as important to them.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:49pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Two white guys who make a good amount of money telling minority and women voters that their concerns are “identity politics.” I really wish Chris and Bernie would try for once to put themselves in someone else’s shoes instead of doing the whoa is the white working class shit. No, the white working class doesn’t have it easy I concede but they don’t have politicians actively trying to take away their rights the way those groups do too.

BTW—what is the current acceptable definition of white working class. Does it only apply to white people who were once working in dying industries?

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:44:02pm

re: #89 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Thank God for Kurt Eichenwald and Teen Vogue.

I’m buying Kurt a beer if I ever meet him. That guy’s a champ.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:45:18pm

re: #92 BeachDem

BTW—what is the current acceptable definition of white working class. Does it only apply to white people who were once working in dying industries?

That’s a damn good question. What I want to know from Bernie and Chris is if we’re “losing” the working class to explain why minority working class voters still favor us. I don’t dismiss economics but I do completely have no use for Bernie attempting to sell old arguments as a “revolution.” He’s no revolutionary. He’s honestly the other side of the coin of Ron Paul, someone fighting the past.

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:45:23pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oooh—can’t wait to see what he has. (and how quickly the rest of the media will dismiss it/ignore it.)

BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:47:57pm

re: #88 ObserverArt

That’s why I am watching this. Not so much for Bernie as for what the actual people are saying. Bernie to me is just the flame that is lighting this debate.

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 5:48:54pm

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:50:06pm

re: #96 BeachDem

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:35pm

As I said, Sanders needs to stop selling himself as Mr. Working Class. Biden before he was VP lived just as if not more modestly than he did and came from an even more modest background. It’s okay if Bernie wants to talk about reaching the working class but he needs to stop insulting every other Democratic politician by acting like we’ve ignored these people. We have not. A lot of these people simply do not like a lot of our message and I refuse to give into Bernie’s idea which is to dismiss those issues. Sorry Bernie but being proudly pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, and pro-immigrant is just as important to progressive values as being pro-minimum wage, pro=revitalizing jobs, etc.

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Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:38pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

“Why should my taxes go up so some of ‘them people’ across the tracks can get free healthcare?”

“Yeah, and how does my paying more taxes for free college when I ain’t got no kids?!”

“My boss said if he’s made to pay higher wages, then jobs are gonna get cut at the plant. I can’t afford to lose my job so’s a buncha losers at the McDonald’s can get $15 for cooking fries!”

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VegasGolfer Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:47pm

Good thing about this hayes show is, is that it is exposing how dumb americans are these days.

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William Lewis Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:49pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I’m buying Kurt a beer if I ever meet him. That guy’s a champ.

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:50pm

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:09pm

re: #102 William Lewis

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

Yep.

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Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:33pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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VOTER FRAUD!!!

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 5:54:00pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

We didn’t see Bernie Sanders in the Nebraska Panhandle. That would be a good place, since the area is blindingly white, mostly college-educated, and largely rural and ranches or farms.

We also overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Trump here (my town only gave eight votes to Hillary Clinton).

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 5:54:55pm

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 5:55:53pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this in relation to Dr. Stein’s recount, or is this in relation to the General Election?

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:55:56pm

re: #106 Anymouse

We didn’t see Bernie Sanders in the Nebraska Panhandle. That would be a good place, since the area is blindingly white, mostly college-educated, and largely rural and ranches or farms.

We also overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Trump here (my town only gave eight votes to Hillary Clinton).

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 5:57:02pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

That’s what they called the show.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:57:59pm

re: #111 BeachDem

That’s what they called the show.

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Nah I got you. I just think it’s lame to call it Trump Country when as you say the margin was pretty tight there.

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 5:58:57pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

And Senator Sanders pitches identity politics as well, he just doesn’t call it that. (He uses the term as a pejorative in the same way some conservatives use the term “social justice warrior.”)

Pitching his views to the so-called “working class” is identity politics: He is identifying with the working class.

All politics is identity politics, including that guy with the ranch north of me that has the Dixie Swastikas and the Nazi flag flying from his front gate.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 5:59:17pm

The interesting thing is though Hillary actually did quite well in these areas when she ran against Obama in 2008. Yet Hillary definitely had a much more economically progressive message now than she did then. and she was certainly much more establishment then in her tone than now too.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:00:19pm

re: #113 Anymouse

And Senator Sanders pitches identity politics as well, he just doesn’t call it that. (He uses the term as a pejorative in the same way some conservatives use the term “social justice warrior.”)

Pitching his views to the so-called “working class” is identity politics: He is identifying with the working class.

All politics is identity politics, including that guy with the ranch north of me that has the Dixie Swastikas and the Nazi flag flying from his front gate.

Zactly. But here’s another thing he doesn’t get it, he doesn’t get that a lot of what he deirdes as identity politics is a response to the right creating this in the first place. It’s been Republican governors waging war on choice, Republican governors trying to legislate who can use which bathroom, etc.

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bratwurst Dec 12, 2016 • 6:01:46pm

Here is the crux of every comment I have heard from Bernie fans for the last month:

“I told you so”.

Here is the crux of how I have been replying:

“Go fuck yourself”.

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darthstar Dec 12, 2016 • 6:02:04pm

re: #111 BeachDem

That’s what they called the show.

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That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:29pm

re: #117 darthstar

That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

It’s got nothing to do with him not having the D next to his name. It has to do with him continuing to lie about the white working class and act like we’ve ignored them. So yeah if he’s going to act that way, I will gladly say fuck him because he doesn’t seem to think we as a party and ideology should value a lot of issues near and dear to a lot of our constituency.

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:32pm

re: #96 BeachDem

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

I agree. But hearing real people explain their positions no matter how good or bad is something I want to hear right now.

Bernie is Bernie, but he has made some good points about Trump to the Trump people.

And yes, this can be confusing, and maybe even redundant and pointless…but so much I do not understand and maybe this will help.

Now it is over…not much help really…sigh.

It pretty much closed with people saying if Trump turns out to be a bum we will vote him out. Pretty much the tale of frustrated people not liking our government/politicians trying anything (Trump) out of frustration. If anything, I hope the GOP, conservative and Trump understands that. Overall there is no mandate about anything…just pissed off frustrated people.

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:44pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Zactly. But here’s another thing he doesn’t get it, he doesn’t get that a lot of what he deirdes as identity politics is a response to the right creating this in the first place. It’s been Republican governors waging war on choice, Republican governors trying to legislate who can use which bathroom, etc.

Well, our own Republican governor hasn’t been doing much of that; our state government is too busy with its joint lawsuit with Oklahoma to overturn Colorado’s weed law, and the governor spending so much time on overturning the death penalty repeal bill. (He’s gotten nowhere with the first, and the referendum was successful on the second - he has his death penalty back and is now trying to pass a death penalty secrecy law for the drugs used).

He claims he is pro-life which is why I guess he is so busy trying to get back the right to sign death warrants.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:04:41pm

re: #116 bratwurst

Here is the crux of every comment I have heard from Bernie fans for the last month:

“I told you so”.

Here is the crux of how I have been replying:

“Go fuck yourself”.

Too bad for them that Bernie would have been an ineffective President and they would have found that out the hard way but you know what, if he had been nominated and elected, I would have fought hard for his election and success. That’s more than one can say about the BoB babies who want us to have a pity party for a man who lost the nomination of a party he cant’ even commit himself to.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:26pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Well, our own Republican governor hasn’t been doing much of that; our state government is too busy with its joint lawsuit with Oklahoma to overturn Colorado’s weed law, and the governor spending so much time on overturning the death penalty repeal bill. (He’s gotten nowhere with the first, and the referendum was successful on the second - he has his death penalty back and is now trying to pass a death penalty secrecy law for the drugs used).

He claims he is pro-life which is why I guess he is so busy trying to get back the right to sign death warrants.

Here in VA and I remember this well since I took part in the protests, Bob McDonnell attempted to force women to get transvaginal ultrasounds who were going to get abortions.

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Unabogie Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:50pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

“Why should my taxes go up so some of ‘them people’ across the tracks can get free healthcare?”

“Yeah, and how does my paying more taxes for free college when I ain’t got no kids?!”

“My boss said if he’s made to pay higher wages, then jobs are gonna get cut at the plant. I can’t afford to lose my job so’s a buncha losers at the McDonald’s can get $15 for cooking fries!”

Exactly. Bernie may be right on his ideas for helping these folks, but they don’t want to hear it. I mean, does he at least admit that Hillary offered all of those things? Higher wages, more healthcare, free college for their kids? And they scoffed at her and voted for the guy promising to ethnically cleanse America to make it “great” again?

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:56pm

Now I get it. I accidentally stepped into a dimensional wormhole and I’m stuck in a dystopian alternate universe. How do I get back home?

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:08:02pm

re: #123 Unabogie

Exactly. Bernie may be right on his ideas for helping these folks, but they don’t want to hear it. I mean, does he at least admit that Hillary offered all of those things? Higher wages, more healthcare, free college for their kids? And they scoffed at her and voted for the guy promising to ethnically cleanse America to make it “great” again?

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

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Unabogie Dec 12, 2016 • 6:08:03pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 6:10:52pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby has two fucking verified accounts. Not that it surprises me.

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:11:39pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

I understand your point Happy…but Hillary got a lot of the usual “she is establishment,” “she doesn’t talk to me” and the only positive that I heard was “she isn’t Trump he scared me.” Not a lot of ringing endorsements from people that should have been in her camp. Why?

So, we may not want to hear it…but Hillary didn’t seem to really touch the folks in Kenosha. Again…if I see anything from that show it is pissed people.

If the Democrats get their shit together and get real they can get this government back. But they better get busy, they better be real and they better explain themselves better in all aspects (jobs, social, etc.). or a third party candidate may stand a chance next election if the mood stays the same.

Can’t deny the frustration. And I get the feeling, Hillary didn’t touch that enough. I’m not sure why, I’m going on what these ordinary folks are saying…they are voters and they do reflect what happened.

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Targetpractice Dec 12, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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We’ll have to replicate the effect of the ion storm when activating the transporter. What was it that tipped you off, all the guys wearing goatees?

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Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 6:12:20pm

@Green_Footballs Get out and order some sliders. When you see the right one, eat it.
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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 6:12:58pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

Senator Sanders won our state caucus, but winning the caucus is not the same as winning the General Election. Caucuses are closed and generally attended by those who are most able to attend. The General Election in a state with mail voting is attended by a whole lot more people. Whilst his message may have resonated with Democrats, we are a distinct minority, and he would not have carried our state.

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Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 6:13:13pm

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darthstar Dec 12, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Too bad for them that Bernie would have been an ineffective President and they would have found that out the hard way but you know what, if he had been nominated and elected, I would have fought hard for his election and success. That’s more than one can say about the BoB babies who want us to have a pity party for a man who lost the nomination of a party he cant’ even commit himself to.

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

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bratwurst Dec 12, 2016 • 6:15:54pm

re: #133 darthstar

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it.

Yet you are still here every day poking away.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:15:57pm

re: #133 darthstar

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

Fair point but I guess my point is I may have felt that way but I still would have gone to war for him so to speak the way I feel many of his diehards were not willing to do for her. I know you think a lot of us dismiss it but I know a lot of hardcore Sanders supporters who are almost gleeful about the DNC hacking because they think the DNC deserved it for favoring Clinton over him. You may not feel that way yourself but a lot of them do.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 6:16:37pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

washingtonpost.com

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allegro Dec 12, 2016 • 6:17:09pm

Strangely on topic in a weird way, I’ve gotten on an insatiable opera kick. I just went on a shopping binge ordering Aida, La Boheme, Romeo and Juliet, Faust, and Tosca. Watching La Traviata now on YouTube (Roberto Alagna, swoon).

Just figured out why. They are all tragic as fuck. Considering my overall negative disposition with our current state of affairs, I’m finding them actually uplifting.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:17:23pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

I understand your point Happy…but Hillary got a lot of the usual “she is establishment,” “she doesn’t talk to me” and the only positive that I heard was “she isn’t Trump he scared me.” Not a lot of ringing endorsements from people that should have been in her camp. Why?

So, we may not want to hear it…but Hillary didn’t seem to really touch the folks in Kenosha. Again…if I see anything from that show it is pissed people.

If the Democrats get their shit together and get real they can get this government back. But they better get busy, they better be real and they better explain themselves better in all aspects (jobs, social, etc.). or a third party candidate may stand a chance next election if the mood stays the same.

Can’t deny the frustration. And I get the feeling, Hillary didn’t touch that enough. I’m not sure why, I’m going on what these ordinary folks are saying…they are voters and they do reflect what happened.

I just personally think a lot of them weren’t paying attention to her message. I think she was saying what her message was but so many of them fell for the faux populist bullshit that Trump was welling. Now maybe Clinton could have handled that better in hindsight but honestly I don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who fall for bullshti time and time again. These are the same people who fell for REagan’s bullshit charms too.

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 6:18:12pm

re: #133 darthstar

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

I supported Senator Sanders during the primaries, but when it became obvious the choice was going to be Secretary Clinton I threw in behind her.

Being angry at Senator Sanders will not be helpful going forward, as we are in a much richer target environment for our anger. On the other hand, Senator Sanders needs to pull with the Democrats - a tirade of “Hillary this” or “Hillary that” will not be helpful to his cause either. The Democratic Party adopted much of his platform into its own.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:03pm

re: #131 Anymouse

Senator Sanders won our state caucus, but winning the caucus is not the same as winning the General Election. Caucuses are closed and generally attended by those who are most able to attend. The General Election in a state with mail voting is attended by a whole lot more people. Whilst his message may have resonated with Democrats, we are a distinct minority, and he would not have carried our state.

Exactly and I hope you know I meant no offense when I pointed out that he won your state which is very Republican in the primaries. It just annoyed me that he would do that with even less votes since as you said your state is a caucus state while he completely dismissed Clinton winning Southern states. At least those Southern states had large parts of the Democratic base in it. The other thing is and maybe this is silly but I can’t get over him talking about how he’s a proud New Yorker yet having left the state so long ago.

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Interesting Times Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:22pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

I agree. But gearing real people explain there positions no matter how good or bad is something I want to hear right now.
…
And yes, this can be confusing, and maybe even redundant and pointless…but so much I do not understand and maybe this will help.

I would also recommend reading this (which I’ve been meaning to post for some time):

Neoliberalism: the deep story that lies beneath Donald Trump’s triumph

It was inevitable that the blazing, insurrectionary confidence of neoliberalism would exert a stronger gravitational pull than the dying star of social democracy. Hayek’s triumph could be witnessed everywhere from Blair’s expansion of the private finance initiative to Clinton’s repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, which had regulated the financial sector. For all his grace and touch, Barack Obama, who didn’t possess a narrative either (except “hope”), was slowly reeled in by those who owned the means of persuasion.

As I warned in April, the result is first disempowerment then disenfranchisement. If the dominant ideology stops governments from changing social outcomes, they can no longer respond to the needs of the electorate. Politics becomes irrelevant to people’s lives; debate is reduced to the jabber of a remote elite. The disenfranchised turn instead to a virulent anti-politics in which facts and arguments are replaced by slogans, symbols and sensation. The man who sank Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidency was not Donald Trump. It was her husband.

One really needs to read the whole thing to appreciate just how long this sociopolitical cancer has been metastasizing :/

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:56pm

re: #136 BeachDem

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

washingtonpost.com

Something you know who again ignores.

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:20:13pm

re: #117 darthstar

That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

Darth, I agree with what you are saying about Bernie in this town hall.

But, can you give the no “D” by his name stuff a rest. It is unimportant at this time.

The election is over, how about we get busy on the next one and get a party that has their game firmed up and listens to the people like this so we can get a handle on it.

I want a Democratic party that learns from this and doesn’t muck around over the past.

It would be nice if we had a Democratic party that would either be enough to get Bernie in it, or is strong enough to put someone that doesn’t want that “D” in a place politically that he wouldn’t have the power Bernie mustered as an independent.

I don’t know if I explained that right…but I hope you get the gist.

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 6:20:31pm

Benghazi Committee shuts down.

In completely unrelated news, Hillary Clinton is no longer running for president. https://t.co/ibZRaSCk3n

— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) December 12, 2016

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“Our work here is done. Thank you for watching.” @aseitzwald https://t.co/zMRZj6LHr6

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:21:29pm

KellyAnne Conway just claimed @CNN that @AdamSchiffCA “definitely doesn’t have a security clearance.” Really? Might want to check that.

— Joe Cirincione (@Cirincione) December 13, 2016

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So much lying. https://t.co/9GBoJ6bgOj

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:21:56pm

I’ll give it a rest though. The problem though I see is many of Bernie’s diehards that he’s attracted treat the DNC as if they’re just as big the enemy as the RNC and I hate that shit. The DNC for all its flaws championed policies that don’t allow me to be denied health insurance because of my heart condition and they stand up for immigrants iike my SiL and her family. Maybe that doesn’t mean that much to some dickhead who’s read some Chomsky or Zinn on a college campus and thinks he knows it alll but it means a lot to me.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 6:22:40pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

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He’s the ranking member on Intel isn’t he? Goddamn she’s not only a liar but an easily proven one too just like her dumb boss.

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:00pm

Rachel just offered some tidbits about the Newsweek story coming out tomorrow — about conflict of interest. Apparently Trump told Erdogan in a private conversation that he valued a Turkish business partner, and Erdogan has now arrested him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:20pm

I will be making my announcement on the next Secretary of State tomorrow morning.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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Are you watching @maddow? You should. They’re talking about @kurteichenwald @newsweek article about how Turkey has you by the short hairs. https://t.co/2Ys71JM6GH

— Aღanda (@GrnEyedMandy) December 13, 2016

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looks like Kurt’s article in the morning should be really good.

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:34pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Darth, I agree with what you are saying about Bernie in this town hall.

But, can you give the no “D” by his name stuff a rest. It is unimportant at this time.

The election is over, how about we get busy on the next one and get a party that has their game firmed up and listens to the people like this so we can get a handle on it.

I want a Democratic party that learns from this and doesn’t muck around over the past.

It would be nice if we had a Democratic party that would either be enough to get Bernie in it, or is strong enough to put someone that doesn’t want that “D” in a place politically that he wouldn’t have the power Bernie mustered as an independent.

I don’t know if I explained that right…but I hope you get the gist.

I’m all for working on the 2018 elections in particular. (The 2020 census followed by congressional redistricting is in play. An awful lot of statehouses elected in 2018 will be redrawing those lines.)

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:25:25pm

re: #102 William Lewis

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

Ever since @ElaineWelteroth became @TeenVogue EIC, they have been #lit with the level of #woke ☝🏽️👌🏽👍🏽

— Tiffany Waddell Tate (@tiffanyiwaddell) December 11, 2016

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TY, but there’s an entire #woke TEAM behind that political reporting you see on @TeenVogue dot com, and at the helm of it is 👉🏽@pfpicardi 👈🏽 https://t.co/bOfDA0LpHA

— Elaine Welteroth (@ElaineWelteroth) December 13, 2016

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Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

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Anymouse Dec 12, 2016 • 6:27:38pm

Well, our friend is coming by in a few minutes, so I am going to bail out now. G’night y’all from California.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:29:34pm

re: #136 BeachDem

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

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I just published “Why I Didn’t Vote For Donald Trump” https://t.co/NS0haj67KY

— Rod (@rodimusprime) December 12, 2016

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Read this. Immediately. https://t.co/OjekO845YP

— Saddy Fields (@nicju) December 13, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 6:31:57pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

Just imagine all of the young people being introduced to - and empowered by - their hard work.

All the respect, and then some.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:39pm

Trump called Mitt Romney to tell him he is not picking him for Secretary of State, source tells NBC’s @PeterAlexander

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) December 13, 2016

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The humiliation is complete. https://t.co/uWWLzxXGKH

— Alan Kestrel (@AlanKestrel750) December 13, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:41pm

re: #154 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just imagine all of the young people being introduced to - and empowered by - their hard work.

All the respect, and then some.

For real.

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:59pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I’ll give it a rest though. The problem though I see is many of Bernie’s diehards that he’s attracted treat the DNC as if they’re just as big the enemy as the RNC and I hate that shit. The DNC for all its flaws championed policies that don’t allow me to be denied health insurance because of my heart condition and they stand up for immigrants iike my SiL and her family. Maybe that doesn’t mean that much to some dickhead who’s read some Chomsky or Zinn on a college campus and thinks he knows it alll but it means a lot to me.

No doubt there is that impression of the DNC. And they better fight it so there is no “both sides” “magic balancing act” thinking. They are fighting a lot of ignorance so maybe while they campaign. some of the party’s money people might want to put some bucks into a Democratic history education programs to fight crap like FOX News, talk radio…hell almost the entire media.

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 12, 2016 • 6:34:52pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

He got a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump. Unforgivable.

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jhncsy Dec 12, 2016 • 6:35:43pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

The sad part is, Chomsky has his head on straight. I don’t have the article, but he did come out and say, basically, “This is too important. As much as I disagree with Clinton, she’s better than the alternative, and she’s also a step in the right direction.” But you know, it’s just not sexy being a responsible adult.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 6:41:43pm

There is no total number of casualties in Besieged #Aleppo today, all streets & destroyed buildings are full with dead bodies. It’s hell.

— The White Helmets (@SyriaCivilDef) December 13, 2016

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SCD Aleppo: displaced civilians are crowding in the streets of besieged #Aleppo getting bombed, and we just can’t do anything. #SaveAleppo

— The White Helmets (@SyriaCivilDef) December 13, 2016

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+100,000 civilians are packed into a tiny area. Bombing + shelling relentless. Casualties unimaginable. Bodies lie where they fell.

— The White Helmets (@SyriaCivilDef) December 13, 2016

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In this moment we serve as a reminder that humanity will always prevail and defy dictatorship. We will not kneel. #saveAleppo

— The White Helmets (@SyriaCivilDef) December 13, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Dec 12, 2016 • 6:43:02pm

I’d reiterate all the reasons why I think Bernie deserves some pushback but it’s not like they haven’t been written out repeatedly by people here. People are going to see or not see what they choose. All anyone can do is make note and react accordingly.

I mean, it’s not like we don’t have practice at dealing with folks here who completely ignore the arguments they have no response to. DF might be gone but my skills are still in fine form.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 12, 2016 • 6:45:24pm

Some wingnut idiot just popped into my mentions with HURR HURR EMAILS!!!!!

Blocked immediately, not even worth a Go Fuck Yourself.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:46:20pm

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

It was an honor to have been considered for Secretary of State of our great country. https://t.co/FC9tB7rdoy

— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) December 13, 2016

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William Lewis Dec 12, 2016 • 6:46:56pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

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Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

Would someone who is on twitter tell her that as a US Army NCO I only want to salute her. She has done what so few have been willing to do - stand up for our nation no matter what. She is a hero: a real American. I thank her from the bottom of my heart.

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Patricia Kayden Dec 12, 2016 • 6:47:28pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

The reviews are in for new Russian citizen Steven Seagal, and they’re not pretty.

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That is hilarious!! Is he still ducking bullets and beating up entire gangs singlehandedly?

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 12, 2016 • 6:47:56pm

Oh. My. God.

From: https://t.co/G5JMj6REZ7 pic.twitter.com/3yufkQSrys

— Laurel Raymond (@RayOfLaurel) December 12, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Dec 12, 2016 • 6:48:38pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

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You weren’t considered though, dawg.

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:49:03pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the world watches. Damn. What the hell humans?

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William Lewis Dec 12, 2016 • 6:51:36pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

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Not surprising. Asinine. But not surprising… :(

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 6:52:21pm

Rachel is now reporting Rex Tillerson is going to be Trump’s SOS choice. Let the fight commence. But will there be any Republicans really challenging this decision?

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Interesting Times Dec 12, 2016 • 6:52:59pm

Okay, here are my rambling thoughts:

- no matter what you think of Bernie, he did say things that resonated with a lot of people. Some of those things had the crossover appeal to hardcore progressives and supposedly conservative members of the much-ballyhooed “WWC”

- what was the main difference between trump and all the other GOPers also-rans? Was it “political outsider” status? Not unique to trump - Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina had it, too. Was it racism? Trump was the loudest and most blatant in this respect, but the other also-rans did plenty of pandering of their own. So again, not unique to trump. But what was unique to trump was populism - in fact, the positions that got him traction in the so-called “Brexit” states of OH, WI, MI, and PA were ripped off from Bernie (opposition to NAFTA and TPP)

- epic Russian ratfuckery aside, the HRC campaign did indeed engage in political malpractice, the most tragic and blatant example being a failure to run against the entire GOP instead of just trump (and what did happen in this respect was too little, too late - what the Dems needed was full-throated, populist rhetoric denouncing GOP obstructionism and a clear demonstration of how it fucked up everything good - and this needed to be done in prime time at the convention instead of the pathetic attempts to paint some GOPers (e.g. granny-starver Paul Ryan) as “reasonable” compared to Trump)

Again I refer to this (note how much better the ad text in purple was received by the respective focus groups):

welp. https://t.co/M9MtAY2bbV pic.twitter.com/6w9F2XLqRh

— sean. (@SeanMcElwee) November 30, 2016

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and this:

Trump tied economic populism to “whitelash”. If you want to win, you tie economic justice to anti-racist coalitions. https://t.co/NOP3jCKy8r

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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TL;DR version? It’s not a binary choice between “identity politics” and economic populism. It’s a message that links populism with other progressive principles. Granted, some people will only respond to populism coupled with racist and nativist fuckwittery, but there’s still a significant chunk who could swing either away - those are the people Dems need to focus on if they want to win in a meaningful way again.

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Patricia Kayden Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:11pm

re: #136 BeachDem

That’s quite a wage gap. Goes to show how bogus all this talk of the WWC really is given that they earn more than the WC of color.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:22pm

Later Lizards. Dinner needs cooking and I probably need a break right now anyway.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:42pm

How is Trump’s audit going?

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) December 13, 2016

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Feline Fearless Leader Dec 12, 2016 • 6:57:33pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

We’ll have to replicate the effect of the ion storm when activating the transporter. What was it that tipped you off, all the guys wearing goatees?

I thought it was George Takei tweeting GOP memes that gave him that idea.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 7:02:12pm

re: #170 ObserverArt

Rachel is now reporting Rex Tillerson is going to be Trump’s SOS choice. Let the fight commence. But will there be any Republicans really challenging this decision?

Graham and McCain need to put their money where their mouths are.

Angry and upset about the Russian interference with the election, and are demanding an investigation? Then come out forcefully against this Putin BFF.

I’m not holding my breath, though.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 7:08:00pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

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And look around for your dignity, although I think that’s long gone.

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Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 7:09:07pm

In case we forgot…this is what happens when a POTUS ignores intel/security briefings pic.twitter.com/JzxcyZXXPS

— Kevin Carlson (@skoobeedont) December 11, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 7:10:45pm

This is Koda. He dug a hole and then sat in it because why not. Unamused by the bath that followed. 12/10 pic.twitter.com/SQhyqrr8px

— WeRateDogs™ (@dog_rates) December 13, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 7:14:18pm

There are many ways to get Hanukkah right. With a party at Trump Hotel, @Conf_of_Pres gets it wrong.
TAKE ACTION:https://t.co/kyGxAlDQQY pic.twitter.com/b7JdIRkHE5

— J Street (@jstreetdotorg) December 7, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 7:15:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OMG this one

This is Seamus. He’s very bad at entering pools. Still a very good boy tho 11/10 https://t.co/hfi264QwYM

— WeRateDogs™ (@dog_rates) December 12, 2016

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William Lewis Dec 12, 2016 • 7:15:49pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

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Ah, but the problem is that this is exactly what those scumbags want. It’s their Reichstag fire moment to blame on us leftists.

I will still be fighting against them, no matter what.

Never again. To Anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 7:17:30pm

‘It’s happening’: Maddow previews ‘explosive’ Newsweek story that hints at Turkey’s blackmail of Trump https://t.co/wKsC3pkfe9 pic.twitter.com/e4P1JcC1qE

— Raw Story (@RawStory) December 13, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 7:18:42pm

If bars don’t start selling a drink called ‘Orange Russian’, they’re really missing out on some lucrative humor.

— Elizabeth (@Elizasoul80) December 11, 2016

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bratwurst Dec 12, 2016 • 7:28:50pm

Could an outlet with a higher profile than Newsweek that hasn’t been passed around like a cheap bottle of hootch (and is currently owned by a company reputed to be an arm of a shadowy religious organization) publish some of these Trump stories? Please?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 7:31:10pm

.@newtgingrich: “The problem the left has is they cannot come to grips with the reality that the American people are turning against them.” pic.twitter.com/gyJ2F1fjbB

— Fox News (@FoxNews) December 13, 2016

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Exactly! Only 2.8M more Americans voted for @HillaryClinton than @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/Q6Ww2Ulv28

— Col. Morris Davis (@ColMorrisDavis) December 13, 2016

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ObserverArt Dec 12, 2016 • 7:31:52pm

Pretty quiet night. Oh well…Later Lizards.

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 7:32:05pm

I’ll start taking David Frum and Tom Nichols seriously when they acknowledge their role in legitimizing the grievance-mongering right wing base that led to this nightmarish election.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 7:33:24pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fascist talk.

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 7:35:01pm

It was an honor to have been considered for Secretary of State of our great country. https://t.co/FC9tB7rdoy

— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) December 13, 2016

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.@MittRomney https://t.co/m5wAcF8MmZ pic.twitter.com/jTdIGHm7gL

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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NoSoapForYou Dec 12, 2016 • 7:36:16pm

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Resistance Is Not Futile Dec 12, 2016 • 7:39:40pm

re: #185 bratwurst

Could an outlet with a higher profile than Newsweek that hasn’t been passed around like a cheap bottle of hootch (and is currently owned by a company reputed to be an arm of a shadowy religious organization) publish some of these Trump stories? Please?

I’m going with the Eichenwald name, not Newsweek.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:39:52pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What part of your guy losing the popular vote don’t you get Newt?

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:42:54pm

re: #192 We’re Way Beyond Snark

I’m going with the Eichenwald name, not Newsweek.

Newsweek let’s him do the work. I’ll definitely give them some credit.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 7:43:14pm

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

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Scottishdragon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:43:15pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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This is where the purges and book burnings begin.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:09pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Hacking Hypocrisy” — fuck you, Lumpy. I want to know YOUR ties to the Kremlin.

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:14pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

What part of your guy losing the popular vote don’t you get Newt?

I think they’ll get it when Democrats start using it repeatedly.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:33pm

re: #195 BeachDem

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

I’ll go easy on you since this is a rare week where I actually want the Pats to win. Speaking of my Steelers though, I did uncover some pretty convincing evidence that my Dad’s uncle was friends with Art Rooney, Sr.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:48pm

re: #198 Belafon

I think they’ll get it when Democrats start using it repeatedly.

They need to.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:47:16pm

Fact of the matter is the Democrats have won the popular vote every election since 1992 except 2004. Let the Republicans shit on California and New York for not being “Real America.” Those states are just as real America as the sparsely populated Red Areas the GOP runs up the margins in.

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:48:17pm

Tomorrow, any response to the SOS announcement must be “Is Russia going to control you like Turkey will?”

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retired cynic Dec 12, 2016 • 7:48:52pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Fact of the matter is the Democrats have won the popular vote every election since 1992 except 2004. Let the Republicans shit on California and New York for not being “Real America.” Those states are just as real America as the sparsely populated Red Areas the GOP runs up the margins in.

Call me CT, but I still believe something was off about the Ohio vote in 2004. And that that was why Rove thought he had it later.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:50:18pm

re: #203 retired cynic

Call me CT, but I still believe something was off about the Ohio vote in 2004. And that that was why Rove thought he had it later.

I honestly don’t know. But even if Kerry does win Ohio, he still had lost the popular vote. Hell this year was the first year since 1928 where the Republicans won a presidential election without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket.

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Amory Blaine Dec 12, 2016 • 7:51:18pm

Now how the hell are Starbucks cups in the news again and no one’s talking about a guy spreading his cheeks open on McDonald’s cups pic.twitter.com/QmIuZiDJst

— Sam Sykes (@SamSykesSwears) December 11, 2016

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Eventual Carrion Dec 12, 2016 • 7:52:45pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I had a corgi that liked to do that. And eat my cucumbers off the vine for me.

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makeitstop Dec 12, 2016 • 7:52:49pm

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 7:53:08pm

I’m so disgusted with my country right now I can hardly bear to follow these events anymore. https://t.co/R0xm5OM2ia

— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) December 13, 2016

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How much pressure must he be under if he’s not even trying to hide his Russian allegiance? Exactly how far up his ass is Putin? https://t.co/VmOPPGRBai

— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) December 13, 2016

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Hard to measure exactly, but apparently Putin just met Kellyanne.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 7:53:18pm

re: #195 BeachDem

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

Whatever you need BD, whatever you need.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:54:48pm

re: #208 jaunte

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Hard to measure exactly, but apparently Putin just met Kellyanne.

He does what Vlad tells him to do. He’s Putin’s biatch.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:55:26pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

Oh I imagine it’s like that with a lot of these assholes who talk tough shit online but don’t bother to say much if they’re actually called on their bs IRL.

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:56:51pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

Some of them make sure to put a white sheet over their head.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:22pm

re: #205 Amory Blaine

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I’m going to Mickey D’s tomorrow to get my commemorative cup. It will be pulled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:56pm

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

I had a corgi that liked to do that. And eat my cucumbers off the vine for me.

We had a basset-chow mix who would slowly walk down the cucumber rows, inspecting each cuke. She’d reach the end of the row, turn around and sit for a short time, gazing at the vines. Then she’d perk up, move into a lively trot, and gently remove the one perfect cucumber that she had selected during her inspection.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 7:58:36pm

re: #212 Belafon

Some of them make sure to put a white sheet over their head.

That’s the real reason why they wear the hoods. It’s not to intimidate. It’s because they’re cowardly little shits who don’t want people knowing who they are.

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retired cynic Dec 12, 2016 • 7:59:17pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

We had a basset-chow mix who would slowly walk down the cucumber rows, inspecting each cuke. She’d reach the end of the row, turn around and sit for a short time, gazing at the vines. Then she’d perk up, move into a lively trot, and gently remove the one perfect cucumber that she had selected during her inspection.

Did she belch afterwards?

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 7:59:40pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

That’s the real reason why they wear the hoods. It’s not to intimidate. It’s because they’re cowardly little shits who don’t want people knowing who they are.

Which is why the rest of us still have power IF we stick together and stand up to it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 8:00:10pm

re: #216 retired cynic

Did she belch afterwards?

nope. she was very ladylike and dainty in her eating habits.

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Scottishdragon Dec 12, 2016 • 8:02:23pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I saw this shit coming a mile away. Turkey was either going to close down access to Incirlik AFB or create an incident to force us to extradite this guy for his kangaroo trial.

Trump gave them the very leverage they wanted.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:02:42pm

I care about the troops so much! Believe me, so much! Like the most ever!

Just not on the “going to attend my daily briefings” level.

— Sean Kent (@seankent) December 13, 2016

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Scottishdragon Dec 12, 2016 • 8:04:21pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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The ~~Shining~~ Swineing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 12, 2016 • 8:04:43pm

re: #219 Scottishdragon

I saw this shit coming a mile away. Turkey was either going to close down access to Incirlik AFB or create an incident to force us to extradite this guy for his kangaroo trial.

Trump gave them the very leverage they wanted.

Trump just can’t help himself…he has to brag about people he knows.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:06:01pm

Tillerson tomorrow, to coincide w “explosive” @Newsweek Trump blackmail story. Diversion, distraction & tweets too! https://t.co/1kODBH71jx

— Jill Lawrence (@JillDLawrence) December 13, 2016

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Trump’s going to have to keep upping his distraction-fu

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electrotek Dec 12, 2016 • 8:06:15pm

See if you can find anything wrong with this photo:

I wish in advance to all my freinds in #Israel & #Kurdistan a #HappyHanukkah & #HappyChristmas & #IStandWithIsrael @StandWithUs @TobiasHuch pic.twitter.com/AvzeG1lPTn

— Ashraf Sherjan (@a_sherjan) December 12, 2016

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:07:50pm

Page’s palling around with Putin friend Igor Sechin (on sanctioned list) alarmed Harry Reid, who asked Comey to investigate @INechepurenko pic.twitter.com/k8CgMEkF1D

— Adam Khan (@Khanoisseur) December 12, 2016

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Tillerson-Putin mutual friend? Sechin, head of oil giant Rosneft

Page met him in Moscow @thegoldfarb @JohnJHarwood https://t.co/A1oHDQLGfH

— Adam Khan (@Khanoisseur) December 13, 2016

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 8:08:09pm

Got back from a meeting with Democrats in my county. It was basically a Christmas party type thing, not official politics, though we talked politics in groups at the beginning. And I will tell you, for all of my reading and attempting to tell others what is going on, these people are way more passionate than I am.

It’s estimated that the county I live in is about 1/3 Democratic. So, other than every Democrat turning out in an off year, the chance of Democrats picking up some kind of seat here is very tiny. But they were excited.

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 8:09:34pm

When Donald Trump nominates Putin favorite Tillerson as SecState, he’s testing how complete his domination over the US political process is.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:10:08pm

Выбор Тиллерсона - сенсация. Это бизнесмен, по определению прагматик, да еще и с большим опытом работы с Россией. Трамп продолжает удивлять.

— Алексей Пушков (@Alexey_Pushkov) December 10, 2016

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Strong Tillerson endorsement from the foreign relations committee chair … of the Duma https://t.co/1PatCCGzFd

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 12, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:11:04pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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He knows most Republicans won’t care.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:12:09pm

The messages I’m receiving from East Aleppo are all goodbyes. It’s haunting, beyond words. Humanity is dead.

— (((جووي أيوب))) (@joeyayoub) December 12, 2016

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Meanwhile, Trump’s buddies are slaughtering civilians in Aleppo as I type. The man we elected supports this. But coal miners, you guys. https://t.co/8K4oGBtAvz

— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:12:57pm

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I’m going to recommend to Trump that Tillerson reach out to this Georgian named Jughashvili. He’s a great guy. Strong like steel and no one messes with him. //

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:13:24pm

Rex Tillerson was recommended by Bob Gates and Condi Rice, and is a longtime friend of James Baker. Hardly the pedigree of a Putin stooge.

— Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) December 12, 2016

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Ok. https://t.co/M9Q1LCHZEI https://t.co/m99z39yzwR

— Daniella (@dgibber123) December 13, 2016

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someone got the Trump Tower talking points https://t.co/6JkB3zwyM3

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:13:42pm

re: #230 jaunte

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I’m proud to be a great grandson of coal miners but this current generation of miners fell for a con-man promising them bullshit.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:14:24pm

re: #232 jaunte

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Sorry Joe, I couldn’t hear you with your head so far in Trump’s ass.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:21:11pm

Other Tillerson boosters, in addition to Gates & Rice: Stephen Hadley, Jim Baker & Dick Cheney. Full court press planned for confirmation /4

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) December 13, 2016

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The hitch here: Gates, Rice, and Baker all have financial/business ties to Exxon https://t.co/0Ltwwf9tLe https://t.co/bFuZiplYq7

— Mark Murray (@mmurraypolitics) December 13, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 8:21:35pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Whatever you need BD, whatever you need.

I think I jinxed them—as soon as I typed that, the Pats started fucking up big time. It’s now 23-17 Pats. I turned it off so as to not inflict any further damage!

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:24:06pm

re: #235 jaunte

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Surely just a coincidence right? // All about green just as my Grandpa always said.

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Eventual Carrion Dec 12, 2016 • 8:25:42pm

re: #236 BeachDem

I think I jinxed them—as soon as I typed that, the Pats started fucking up big time. It’s now 23-17 Pats. I turned it off so as to not inflict any further damage!

23-20 now. Steelers fan here and a NE win would really help, but I still find myself wanting the Baltimore Browns to beat them.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:26:51pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Trump is going to make historians forget Credit Mobilier, The Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, and Watergate.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:28:11pm

re: #238 Eventual Carrion

23-20 now. Steelers fan here and a NE win would really help, but I still find myself wanting the Baltimore Browns to beat them.

I feel so conflicted about it especially since I’m an O’s fan in baseball so I don’t really hate the Ravens as much as most Steelers fans do. Speaking of the Steelers though, I’m reading Art Rooney Jr(the son of the founding owner not Dan’s son)’s biography of his family history and it’s so funny for me to read about the North Side Pittsburgh Germans and Irish because that’s literally my Dad’s lineage. His father was of German parentage and his mother of Irish. The uncle I mentioned earlier was my grandmother’s older brother and the same age as Art Rooney, Sr’s brother who like my Uncle was a priest who was a chaplain during the Battle of the Bulge.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:29:09pm

There ya go BD. PA makes it a two possession game.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 8:30:33pm

Trump “wins” election

Erdogan calls to “congratulate” Trump

Trump brags about his rich and powerful real-estate “friends” in Turkey

Erdogan has wanted Gülen for years, whether or not he was involved in the coup

Lightbulb for Erdogan - Arrest Trump’s “friends”, putting his investments at risk

Erdogan demands extradition of Gülen in return for the release of Trump’s business pals

Inevitably, Trump will cave

We. Are. Fucked.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:31:29pm

re: #242 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump “wins” election

Erdogan calls to “congratulate” Trump

Trump brags about his rich and powerful real-estate “friends” in Turkey

Erdogan has wanted Gülen for years, whether or not he was involved in the coup

Lightbulb for Erdogan - Arrest Trump’s “friends”, putting his inestments at risk

Erdogan demands extradition of Gülen in return for the release of Trump’s business pals

Inevitably, Trump will cave

We. Are. Fucked.

Trump is an idiot who doesn’t think before he talks. He’s a reckless fool.

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 8:32:13pm

Even though I am not mandated by law to do so, I will be leaving my busineses before January 20th so that I can focus full time on the……

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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… highly demanding job of keeping my hair looking perfect. @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/ib01FYwrMr

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:33:05pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

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Hey that’s hard work. //

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Interesting Times Dec 12, 2016 • 8:34:02pm

Pretty sure “Rex Tillerson” was the star of the petrochemical porno classic, “50 Grades of Crude.”

— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) December 13, 2016

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 8:34:24pm

Presidency. Two of my children, Don and Eric, plus executives, will manage them. No new deals will be done during my term(s) in office.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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Sure thing, champ. Totally believable. @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/XMZmZQgMHk

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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Eclectic Cyborg Dec 12, 2016 • 8:35:49pm

Trump is going to rob the country so blind it will make Enron look like chump change.

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allegro Dec 12, 2016 • 8:35:56pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

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He’s finally going to sell that Brooklyn Bridge?

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:37:57pm

Huge sleeper story: House GOP just gave Trump full control of VOA/RFE/RL, ability to broadcast propaganda worldwide. https://t.co/0b2xjDbzAK

— Stephen Schwartz (@AtomicAnalyst) December 12, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 8:38:39pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

There ya go BD. PA makes it a two possession game.

Now I had to turn it on again…

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:41:39pm

you won’t find a better summation of the Obama-Trump transition than a nuclear physicist being replaced by a Dancing With The Stars washout

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) December 13, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 8:41:42pm

re: #251 BeachDem

Now I had to turn it on again…

The Ravens kick a field goal—one possession game—now I have to turn it off again.

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 8:43:04pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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Deflecting from the Eichenwald story also. Too.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 8:43:06pm

re: #252 jaunte

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But, but Perry was once Ag Commissioner—doesn’t that count for anything in the energy arena? It’s like being a nuclear physicist except without the physicist part, or the nuclear part, or the brain part…

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allegro Dec 12, 2016 • 8:44:02pm

re: #255 BeachDem

But, but Perry was once Ag Commissioner—doesn’t that count for anything in the energy arena? It’s like being a nuclear physicist except without the physicist part, or the nuclear part, or the brain part…

But he’s watched a lot of goats fuck I bet.

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goddamnedfrank Dec 12, 2016 • 8:45:16pm

I would watch the shit out of that.

— Frank-incensed (@goddamnedfrank) December 13, 2016

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 8:45:52pm

Please tell me the media aren’t going to simply report Trump’s statement about “leaving his businesses” and “no new deals” at face value.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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Interesting Times Dec 12, 2016 • 8:46:40pm

Oh, this is good (and timely given the current Polar Vortex :D )

@canadiancynic Loved this response I saw earlier today. pic.twitter.com/ldv8cmz4Y0

— Lisa Stokes (@LisaStokes66) December 12, 2016

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:47:42pm

Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. (1/2)

— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) March 3, 2016

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Some people should listen to their own first impressions.

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 8:50:57pm

In case it isn’t clear: if you’re a Western oil executive with “close ties to Putin,” it means you bend over backwards to please Putin.

— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) December 10, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 12, 2016 • 8:52:22pm

re: #228 jaunte

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Bannon wants to burn it all down

Evangelical leader Tony Perkins slams Tillerson pick for State https://t.co/j2b76xjoFF

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) December 13, 2016

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Lidane Dec 12, 2016 • 8:53:40pm

re: #250 jaunte

Huge sleeper story: House GOP just gave Trump full control of VOA/RFE/RL, ability to broadcast propaganda worldwide. https://t.co/0b2xjDbzAK

— Stephen Schwartz (@AtomicAnalyst) December 12, 2016

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This is a disaster for US public diplomacy, regardless of who’s president. This is a serious mistake, imo. https://t.co/qv43hmnOpA

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) December 12, 2016

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Charles Johnson Dec 12, 2016 • 8:53:49pm

Trump picks Goldman Sachs’ president and COO Gary Cohn to be the director of White House National Economic Council. https://t.co/ktmsHL9G0m pic.twitter.com/CskHxCBnIV

— World News Tonight (@ABCWorldNews) December 13, 2016

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And yet another Goldman Sachs exec. @ABCWorldNews https://t.co/MlCkFRUjdv

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2016

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:11pm

@RadioFreeTom Get the feeling this is a direct fuck you over the CIA report, because that’s basically only reason he does anything

— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) December 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:31pm

re: #262 Stanley Sea

Bannon wants to burn it all down

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For all the wrong reasons of course. Perkins is only happy with sexually repressed self hating Evangelicals like himself.

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jaunte Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:52pm

re: #263 Lidane

Breitbart Radio is going to convince so many young men in the Middle East that they shouldn’t radicalize.

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BeachDem Dec 12, 2016 • 9:00:39pm

Interesting stories about Michigan recount in Detroit. Both the main article and some other reports in the comments with pictures. Trump certainly had a bevy of lawyers up there for someone who was certain that he’d won fair and square.

medium.com

Things that make you go hmmm and then proceed to projectile vomiting.

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 9:06:14pm

I’ll take “The party that isn’t trying to hand America over to the Russians” for $2000 , Alex.

— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) December 13, 2016

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 9:07:36pm

America is set to be represented abroad by a man who received a friendship medal from a KGB thug who shot Nemtsov in the back. This matters.

— Jay Nordlinger (@jaynordlinger) December 13, 2016

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This is from a senior editor of the conservative National Review.

Thank you, Jay, by the way. https://t.co/dBkOBnCiuI

— John Aravosis (@aravosis) December 13, 2016

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Kragar Dec 12, 2016 • 9:10:10pm

Presidency. Two of my children, Don and Eric, plus executives, will manage them. No new deals will be done during my term(s) in office.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

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Trump’s Blind Trust: You would have to blind to trust this lying sack of shit https://t.co/e4b5uNlY8p

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 13, 2016

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Belafon Dec 12, 2016 • 9:10:26pm

All of us, from all across the political spectrum, that know how bad these picks are, need to make the calls to our Reps to stop them.

— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) December 13, 2016

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Joe Bacon Dec 12, 2016 • 9:14:17pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

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Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

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ipsos Dec 12, 2016 • 9:18:03pm

re: #273 Joe Bacon

Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

Merry Christmases. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS.

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Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 9:26:14pm

re: #273 Joe Bacon

Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

re: #274 ipsos

Merry Christmases. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS.

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Okay I feel you. But no. Nobody gets to steal the phrase for that. Do not cede that ground.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 9:27:49pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

How many is that now?

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Unshaken Defiance Dec 12, 2016 • 9:28:08pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

Sorry that sounds harsh but that guy has taken enough already. Apologies.

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Joe Bacon Dec 12, 2016 • 9:30:41pm

re: #239 jaunte

Trump is going to make historians forget Credit Mobilier, The Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, and Watergate.

Don’t forget how Reagan let Millken loot the Savings and Loans and Dumbya lying us into a war that…Oh, why bother to say that anymore….honestly…how I have completely lost faith in this country…and why I tossed something in the trash because of all the hate it generated from phonies too chicken to serve in the armed forces but are obsessed with wearing cheap flag pins made in China…

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teleskiguy Dec 12, 2016 • 9:38:17pm

Dude, Snarky Puppy is opening for Umphrey’s McGee at Red Rocks on 1 July.

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HappyWarrior Dec 12, 2016 • 9:38:50pm

re: #277 Unshaken Defiance

Sorry that sounds harsh but that guy has taken enough already. Apologies.

What frustrates me is the whining about Happy Holidays is it honestly sort of puts a damper on what is a special time of the year. Every Christmas Eve we have my late Nana’s Crab Imperial recipe. I don’t care if people wish me a Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas and I really wish Heritage and these other right wing pricks would stop whining about a phrase that honestly is just trying to be polite. Sure if someone celebrates Christmas and I know it, I’m more likely to wish them that but if I honestly don’t know or even if I do know and I know I won’t be seeing them before the New Year, I do say Happy Holidays. Happy Holidays to me can easily be another way of saying Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 12, 2016 • 9:49:43pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

But you see. The people pissed off about “Happy Holidays” are pissed ofF because it reminds them that their holiday isn’t the single universal one for EVERYONE.

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teleskiguy Dec 12, 2016 • 9:53:03pm

I like standing next to Mitt Romney because he makes me look more principled and dignified.

— Senator TrusTed (@Calgary_Cruz) December 13, 2016

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Bass Reeves Dec 12, 2016 • 10:15:34pm

re: #171 Interesting Times

May I ask how that purple message does anything but put economic anxiety over the concerns of the various minorities?

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Jebediah, RBG Dec 12, 2016 • 10:17:49pm

re: #256 allegro

Watched?
Sure…

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