Trump Surrogate Roger Stone: Trump Interviewed Romney “To Torture Him”

“To toy with him”
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From the disturbing photo above, it was already pretty damned obvious what was going on when Donald Trump met Mitt Romney for dinner, dangling the prospect of a Secretary of State nomination in front of him like a fishing lure, but yesterday Trump’s friend and ally Roger Stone went on the Alex Jones fake news and conspiracy show (as he does very frequently) to make it crystal clear.

Trump was torturing Mitt Romney. Toying with him.

Stone says this is perfectly fine and understandable, because Romney “isn’t the kind of man you want for secretary of State.”

But we’re getting the kind of narcissistic sociopath for president who delights in publicly humiliating, torturing and toying with his enemies. Romney should have known this, but his greed for power blinded him.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:42:09pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:42:55pm

Yet all of these gutless weasels come crawling on their bellies to Trump Palace when summoned.

You’d think just one of them would tell him to fuck off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:43:54pm

somebody quick … lock the door downstairs and trap the troll.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:44:09pm

The press followed the Trump team’s talk about how this showed he was being magnanimous, he was bringing in former critics and showing he could put the campaign behind him and forgive guys like Willard.

What a buncha rubes.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:09pm

This is why it utterly disgusts me that anyone who could even pretend to call themselves a Christian could vote for Trump. He. Is. Evil. Period. But you see the fundamentalist anti-Christians turn themselves into pretzels daily trying to justify him. SMDH.

Christ Jesus have mercy on the rest of us, please?

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:09pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

The press followed the Trump team’s talk about how this showed he was being magnanimous, he was bringing in a former critics and showing he could put the campaign behind him and forgive guys like Willard.

What a buncha rubes.

Next to Trump voters, the media as a whole are the stupidest people in the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:45:31pm
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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:46:55pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“On” the next secretary of state? Like, standing on him?

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jhncsy  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:48:10pm

And of course, Trump’s going to try this shit on foreign powers, like China. God damn it all.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:49:14pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this really from Trump? He didn’t say “stay tuned”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:49:55pm

re: #8 calochortus

“On” the next secretary of state? Like, standing on him?

Then it IS Romney!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:50:58pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:51:31pm
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b.d.  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:53:09pm

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:54:33pm

re: #14 b.d.

Kasich had his own place in hell with the “heartbeat” bill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:54:35pm

re: #13 gocart mozart

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Start the difficult conversations. Then run like hell when someone responds.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:57:51pm

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

Start the difficult conversations. Then run like hell when someone responds.

She didn’t write “finish conversations.” /s, sort of

OT - We went to the California State Railroad Museum today (my wife loves railroads, growing up next to the Illinois Central railyard in Chicago). She got to drive a high-speed rail simulator (it simulates a Japanese train). She has been all happy since, since she didn’t kill anyone in the simulation.

She wanted to be a locomotive engineer growing up, but was constantly told (by family and friends) “that’s not women’s work.” She instead became a software engineer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 4:58:04pm

re: #14 b.d.

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

A small number of NeverTrumpers managed to keep their dignity intact. Romney? Did he ever seriously think he was in the running for anything but humiliation?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:00:12pm

re: #14 b.d.

The lack of any self-respect amongst the Trump grovelers is what gets me.

Cruz, Carly, Mittens, Carson, Perry and the ilk have written their own epitaph imo. Graham, Bush and Kaisich get a nod from me that I never thought I would give.

Ana Navarro, Tom Nichols and Evan McMullan have stuck to their guns. I have respect for Ana because she broke from party totally to endorse and vote for Hillary.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:00:53pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:02:56pm
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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:34pm

re: #17 Anymouse

The Central Valley tends to be conservative, but I hope you can feel the waves of liberalness emanating from the coastal portions of the state.

Congrats to your wife for not killing anyone. Even virtually.

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b.d.  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:37pm

re: #19 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ana Navarro, Tom Nichols and Evan McMullan have stuck to their guns. I have respect for Ana because she broke from party totally to endorse and vote for Hillary.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:40pm

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:43pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:03:55pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

Lots of Ideological Conservatives realized they’d been fooling themselves about who the GOP base were, and what they really wanted.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:04:11pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Any bets that it is going to be Allen West - who openly advocated genocide of Muslims over the weekend, and got a subsequent invite to Trump Tower today?

nydailynews.com

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b.d.  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:05:20pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Erick son of Erick sure has been quiet.

It has been nice

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:05:36pm

Most corrupt administration in history.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:06:09pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

NOPE. Not now, not ever, no way.

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calochortus  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:06:31pm

re: #29 jaunte

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Most corrupt administration in history.

I wonder if anyone will investigate?

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scottslemmons  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:00pm

re: #29 jaunte

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Most corrupt administration in history.

And they ain’t even in office yet…

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b.d.  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:53pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

Can’t think of any reason to whatsoever.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:07:59pm

re: #23 b.d.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

Was Bill Kristol remotely accurate on ANYTHING this year?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:08:39pm

re: #29 jaunte

Probably Trump himself… and his kids.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:10pm

re: #34 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Was Bill Kristol remotely accurate on ANYTHING this year?

I think he’s still batting a perfect .000.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:09:54pm

re: #17 Anymouse

She didn’t write “finish conversations.” /s, sort of

OT - We went to the California State Railroad Museum today (my wife loves railroads, growing up next to the Illinois Central railyard in Chicago). She got to drive a high-speed rail simulator (it simulates a Japanese train). She has been all happy since, since she didn’t kill anyone in the simulation.

She wanted to be a locomotive engineer growing up, but was constantly told (by family and friends) “that’s not women’s work.” She instead became a software engineer.

Didja see the Cab Forward locomotive? Amazing things! Ginormous! Strange, too, with the firebox and cab in front!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:11pm

Bernie is stumping again.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:32pm

re: #39 Dave In Austin

Bernie is stumping again still.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:10:41pm

re: #23 b.d.

I’m not ever going to give credit to Bill Kristol though, screw him

Speak of the devil:
The good news:
Twenty-one years after co-founding The Weekly Standard with executive editor Fred Barnes, editor Bill Kristol announced his retirement from that position on Monday.

The bad news:

In a note published on the magazine’s website, Kristol announced that he would become The Weekly Standard’s editor-at-large, “continuing to write weekly editorials and contribute to the website.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:11:00pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

I think he’s still batting a perfect .000.

Mario Mendoza is jealous.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:11:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:12:36pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:13:23pm

The reviews are in for new Russian citizen Steven Seagal, and they’re not pretty.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:13:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:14:18pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, his son, who’s only 10 years old is so good with the computer, so good, let me tell you. You wouldn’t believe it!

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:14:34pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Good to see they’re sticking with the Nazi theme.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:15:27pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

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I think this is the worlds first ever instance of Perrier boarding. Or that wine is as white as Trumps new cabinet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:15:38pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:16:13pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

As I have commented before as to Gov Jindal I am not giving up my heritage just to make you happy.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:16:40pm

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:17:40pm

re: #54 BeachDem

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Next up: Selling nights in the Lincoln Bedroom.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:09pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

I’m curious how their “boycotts” of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:16pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

As I have commented before as to Gov Jindal I am not giving up my heritage just to make you happy.

Honestly to people I know celebrate Christmas and I know I’ll see them before New Years, I will say Merry Christmas but if I won’t see someone between Christmas and the New Year or they don’t celebrate Christmas, I will say Happy Holidays. These people almost make the holiday season unbearable with the constant whining about this crap. Bing Crosby was saying Happy Holiday. Trump and FNC’s own cards have wished people Happy Holidays.

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Skip Intro  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:32pm

re: #54 BeachDem

No conflict of interest there, nosiree:

Ivanka Trump is offering deep-pocketed bidders a chance to chat with her over coffee for a cool $50,000…Winners will meet with Trump either “at Trump Tower in NYC or Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.,” depending on her schedule. The listing says Secret Service agents will sit in on the coffee date to ensure her safety.

talkingpointsmemo.com

I had to steal this.

“With Bristol Palin’s coffee date, you also get a free kid.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:18:52pm

re: #56 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m curious how their boycotts of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

Probably about as well as their Hamilton boycott. By the way are Fruity Pebbles, Kelloggs, because, I had some today.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:20:17pm
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Unabogie  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:21:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:22:14pm

It’s gonna be Tillerson.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:25:17pm

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:26:02pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

Brought up already. I’m expecting Bernie to run again in 2020 for the party he wants nothing to do with formally.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:26:23pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

I had to steal this.

“With Bristol Palin’s coffee date, you also get a free kid.”

I liked this one too:

QVC is the new Camelot.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:27:39pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

Is anyone watching Bernie and Chris Hayes?

It’s painful…but it is real.

(Sorry if already being talked about)

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:29:16pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

Wouldn’t be a Bernie rodeo without that would it? Not watching. I’m tired of Sanders acting like he’s the only one who understands the Middle Class. There are plenty of elected officials who grew up just as humble as he did and many more who live just as modestly who don’t have his arrogance when it comes to claiming to have a feel for the working class’s pulse.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:30:11pm

Sorry if that sounded a little salty but he’s not helping matters at all. I appreciate that he helped Clinton when he did but he lied to his supporters and created a big mess because of those lies.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:11pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Let me guess, Bernie’s doing the “I totally would have won because I care about the ‘working class’” bit again, isn’t he?

Pretty much, but the people of Kenosha are giving him some heavy kickback on some of it too. He just got some flak from the Trump voters about the minimum wage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:38pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:31:45pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Sorry if that sounded a little salty but he’s not helping matters at all. I appreciate that he helped Clinton when he did but he lied to his supporters and created a big mess because of those lies.

The man caused the party so much grief that he bears a lot of responsibility for the end result. The moment he departed from his promise to make the race about the issues and started in on the “She’s so corrupt!” bit, I knew it was gonna go downhill from there. He was already getting angry and bitter and Iowa hadn’t even voted.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

Re: the Politico story:

Trump is vulnerable AF, both domestically and internationally. The GOP is incredibly dysfunctional and has the potential to commit mutiny on their leadership again a la Bohner. That’s not to say nothing will happen, but these fuckers will trip on their domination style because their greed and delusions of power will get the better of them. We are not talking about truly disciplined statesmen here.

And that’s not considering the inevitable foreign policy disasters that will cripple Trump and Co. right out of the gate. China is waiting to inflict pain on all of us as punishment for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:34:54pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The man caused the party so much grief that he bears a lot of responsibility for the end result. The moment he departed from his promise to make the race about the issues and started in on the “She’s so corrupt!” bit, I knew it was gonna go downhill from there. He was already getting angry and bitter and Iowa hadn’t even voted.

He’s going to be in for a rude awakening if he runs again. He won’t do as well as this time. Honestly, I liked him at first but as he got more and more of a cult following, the more I disliked him because as you get at, he became less about the issues and more bitter. Plus as a Southern voter, his “Oh those states are very conservative anyhow” after he lost them really pissed me off since he was silent as hell about the fact he was winning equally conservative red states. It was the whole “I’m not a typical politician” thing while acting very much like a typical politician that pissed me off about Bernie. Yeah Clinton’s a politician too but she never tried to present like Bernie that she was somehow above it at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:18pm
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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:32pm

re: #29 jaunte

What did Mr. Trump tweet this time? (Apparently I missed it.)

The friendre: #38 Blind Frog Belly White

Didja see the Cab Forward locomotive? Amazing things! Ginormous! Strange, too, with the firebox and cab in front!

That thing is monumental! And big, too.re: #52 HappyWarrior

And every time I read Breitbart, I reach for a puke bucket but hey don’t call Bannon deplorable. He’s much worse than that. He’s a dangerous asshole who thinks disagreement should be solved with guns. What’s the matter Steve? Can’t disagree like a man? You big right wing sissy.

We were buying gasoline in Nevada, and behind me an argument erupted in the parking lot between two people. Apparently one pulled into a space as the other was going to pull through it.

That guy jumped out of his truck and started yelling, then said he was going to get something to settle it. He came from the back of his truck and I dove behind the Smart car thinking “great, if this asshole starts firing a gun there is a gas pump right behind me.”

Instead he came up with some sort of tire iron (like beating someone is better than shooting him), but the other fellow backed out and drove off.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:35:51pm
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:05pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

Pretty much, but the people of Kenosha are giving him some heavy kickback on some of it too. He just got some flak from the Trump voters about the minimum wage.

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:33pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two white guys who make a good amount of money telling minority and women voters that their concerns are “identity politics.” I really wish Chris and Bernie would try for once to put themselves in someone else’s shoes instead of doing the whoa is the white working class shit. No, the white working class doesn’t have it easy I concede but they don’t have politicians actively trying to take away their rights the way those groups do too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:36:51pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie is the new McCain.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:37:16pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Anyone watching Chris Hays and Bernie in Kenosha?

I came in about 15 minutes after it started, and in 2 minutes, i was ready to throw my beer at the tv listening to some of those people talking.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:37:38pm

re: #56 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m curious how their “boycotts” of Kellogg’s and BMW are going. //

And Target, and Starbucks, and Wal*Mart, and the Washington Post, and …

I get the feeling that right-wingers really don’t understand how this whole “boycott” thing works.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:03pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And I’m sure they’re getting as many digs at Hillary as possible.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:23pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Bernie is the new McCain.

No, he’s the new Joe Lieberman. He wants the party to cater to him and his ego, shedding that “nice guy” persona any time he doesn’t get his way. The media keeps buying into him as this “aw shucks” grandfatherly guy even though most of his colleagues say he’s nothing but a do-nothing blowhard who will piss in your cornflakes if you get in his way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:38:33pm

re: #77 BeachDem

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

Right, it was merely economics as Bernie wants to claim, Feingold should have beat Johnson or at least out ran Clinton there. He did not. Bernie doesn’t want to admit it but his beloved WWC just isn’t receptive to the liberal message anymore and a lot of it is because they simply don’t care about a lot of the issues that we find important. They don’t value choice, they don’t value LGBT rights, they don’t value immigrants and racial/religious minorities not being treated as hostiles in their own country and it is beyond infuriating to see someone like Bernie ignore that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:00pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

No, he’s the new Joe Lieberman. He wants the party to cater to him and his ego, shedding that “nice guy” persona any time he doesn’t get his way. The media keeps buying into him as this “aw shucks” grandfatherly guy even though most of his colleagues say he’s nothing but a do-nothing blowhard who will piss in your cornflakes if you get in his way.

Yeah that is more apt.

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gocart mozart  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:06pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:39:10pm

re: #77 BeachDem

Just want to mention that Trump beat Hillary in Kenosha by a whole 255 votes; Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold (sniff) by 1871 there.

That’s why I am watching this. Not so much for Bernie as for what the actual people are saying. Bernie to me is just the flame that is lighting this debate.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:42:08pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank God for Kurt Eichenwald and Teen Vogue.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:15pm

Fuck some of those people on the hayes show. Most are, i got mine, so screw the rest of you

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:36pm

I really think a lot of white progressives have a rosy colored vision of the WWC because frankly it’s what so many of our families came from to become Democrats and liberals in the first place. As you guys know, my mom’s grandfathers were both coal miners. Union men all the way. I honestly have no idea how they’d vote in 2016. Maybe they would buy Trump’s bs about the mines, maybe they wouldn’t but what Bernie and a lot of white progressives who want us to ditch “identity politics” ignore men like my great grandfatehrs were also immigrants. They not only fought poor treatment economically but were also fighting to be recognized as Americans and that I imagine was just as important to them.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:43:49pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Two white guys who make a good amount of money telling minority and women voters that their concerns are “identity politics.” I really wish Chris and Bernie would try for once to put themselves in someone else’s shoes instead of doing the whoa is the white working class shit. No, the white working class doesn’t have it easy I concede but they don’t have politicians actively trying to take away their rights the way those groups do too.

BTW—what is the current acceptable definition of white working class. Does it only apply to white people who were once working in dying industries?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:44:02pm

re: #89 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Thank God for Kurt Eichenwald and Teen Vogue.

I’m buying Kurt a beer if I ever meet him. That guy’s a champ.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:45:18pm

re: #92 BeachDem

BTW—what is the current acceptable definition of white working class. Does it only apply to white people who were once working in dying industries?

That’s a damn good question. What I want to know from Bernie and Chris is if we’re “losing” the working class to explain why minority working class voters still favor us. I don’t dismiss economics but I do completely have no use for Bernie attempting to sell old arguments as a “revolution.” He’s no revolutionary. He’s honestly the other side of the coin of Ron Paul, someone fighting the past.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:45:23pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oooh—can’t wait to see what he has. (and how quickly the rest of the media will dismiss it/ignore it.)

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:47:57pm

re: #88 ObserverArt

That’s why I am watching this. Not so much for Bernie as for what the actual people are saying. Bernie to me is just the flame that is lighting this debate.

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:48:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:50:06pm

re: #96 BeachDem

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:35pm

As I said, Sanders needs to stop selling himself as Mr. Working Class. Biden before he was VP lived just as if not more modestly than he did and came from an even more modest background. It’s okay if Bernie wants to talk about reaching the working class but he needs to stop insulting every other Democratic politician by acting like we’ve ignored these people. We have not. A lot of these people simply do not like a lot of our message and I refuse to give into Bernie’s idea which is to dismiss those issues. Sorry Bernie but being proudly pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights, and pro-immigrant is just as important to progressive values as being pro-minimum wage, pro=revitalizing jobs, etc.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:38pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

“Why should my taxes go up so some of ‘them people’ across the tracks can get free healthcare?”

“Yeah, and how does my paying more taxes for free college when I ain’t got no kids?!”

“My boss said if he’s made to pay higher wages, then jobs are gonna get cut at the plant. I can’t afford to lose my job so’s a buncha losers at the McDonald’s can get $15 for cooking fries!”

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VegasGolfer  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:47pm

Good thing about this hayes show is, is that it is exposing how dumb americans are these days.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:49pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I’m buying Kurt a beer if I ever meet him. That guy’s a champ.

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:52:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:09pm

re: #102 William Lewis

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

Yep.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:53:33pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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VOTER FRAUD!!!

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:54:00pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

We didn’t see Bernie Sanders in the Nebraska Panhandle. That would be a good place, since the area is blindingly white, mostly college-educated, and largely rural and ranches or farms.

We also overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Trump here (my town only gave eight votes to Hillary Clinton).

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:54:55pm
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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:55:53pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this in relation to Dr. Stein’s recount, or is this in relation to the General Election?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:55:56pm

re: #106 Anymouse

We didn’t see Bernie Sanders in the Nebraska Panhandle. That would be a good place, since the area is blindingly white, mostly college-educated, and largely rural and ranches or farms.

We also overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Trump here (my town only gave eight votes to Hillary Clinton).

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

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scottslemmons  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:56:25pm
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:57:02pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Trump Country? As you say, Clinton lost there by 251 votes. You know what, how about Bernie go to places where Trump won overwhelmingly and do his dog and pony show about how we just need to talk about economics and we’ll win. Nah, he won’t do that because he knows that even in poor bright red areas, his economic views would get him booed.

That’s what they called the show.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:57:59pm

re: #111 BeachDem

That’s what they called the show.

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Nah I got you. I just think it’s lame to call it Trump Country when as you say the margin was pretty tight there.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:58:57pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

And Senator Sanders pitches identity politics as well, he just doesn’t call it that. (He uses the term as a pejorative in the same way some conservatives use the term “social justice warrior.”)

Pitching his views to the so-called “working class” is identity politics: He is identifying with the working class.

All politics is identity politics, including that guy with the ranch north of me that has the Dixie Swastikas and the Nazi flag flying from his front gate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 5:59:17pm

The interesting thing is though Hillary actually did quite well in these areas when she ran against Obama in 2008. Yet Hillary definitely had a much more economically progressive message now than she did then. and she was certainly much more establishment then in her tone than now too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:00:19pm

re: #113 Anymouse

And Senator Sanders pitches identity politics as well, he just doesn’t call it that. (He uses the term as a pejorative in the same way some conservatives use the term “social justice warrior.”)

Pitching his views to the so-called “working class” is identity politics: He is identifying with the working class.

All politics is identity politics, including that guy with the ranch north of me that has the Dixie Swastikas and the Nazi flag flying from his front gate.

Zactly. But here’s another thing he doesn’t get it, he doesn’t get that a lot of what he deirdes as identity politics is a response to the right creating this in the first place. It’s been Republican governors waging war on choice, Republican governors trying to legislate who can use which bathroom, etc.

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bratwurst  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:01:46pm

Here is the crux of every comment I have heard from Bernie fans for the last month:

“I told you so”.

Here is the crux of how I have been replying:

“Go fuck yourself”.

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darthstar  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:02:04pm

re: #111 BeachDem

That’s what they called the show.

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That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:29pm

re: #117 darthstar

That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

It’s got nothing to do with him not having the D next to his name. It has to do with him continuing to lie about the white working class and act like we’ve ignored them. So yeah if he’s going to act that way, I will gladly say fuck him because he doesn’t seem to think we as a party and ideology should value a lot of issues near and dear to a lot of our constituency.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:32pm

re: #96 BeachDem

They could have talked to people in Kenosha without “Bernie Goes to Trump Country” as their hook. Barf-o-rama.

I agree. But hearing real people explain their positions no matter how good or bad is something I want to hear right now.

Bernie is Bernie, but he has made some good points about Trump to the Trump people.

And yes, this can be confusing, and maybe even redundant and pointless…but so much I do not understand and maybe this will help.

Now it is over…not much help really…sigh.

It pretty much closed with people saying if Trump turns out to be a bum we will vote him out. Pretty much the tale of frustrated people not liking our government/politicians trying anything (Trump) out of frustration. If anything, I hope the GOP, conservative and Trump understands that. Overall there is no mandate about anything…just pissed off frustrated people.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:03:44pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Zactly. But here’s another thing he doesn’t get it, he doesn’t get that a lot of what he deirdes as identity politics is a response to the right creating this in the first place. It’s been Republican governors waging war on choice, Republican governors trying to legislate who can use which bathroom, etc.

Well, our own Republican governor hasn’t been doing much of that; our state government is too busy with its joint lawsuit with Oklahoma to overturn Colorado’s weed law, and the governor spending so much time on overturning the death penalty repeal bill. (He’s gotten nowhere with the first, and the referendum was successful on the second - he has his death penalty back and is now trying to pass a death penalty secrecy law for the drugs used).

He claims he is pro-life which is why I guess he is so busy trying to get back the right to sign death warrants.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:04:41pm

re: #116 bratwurst

Here is the crux of every comment I have heard from Bernie fans for the last month:

“I told you so”.

Here is the crux of how I have been replying:

“Go fuck yourself”.

Too bad for them that Bernie would have been an ineffective President and they would have found that out the hard way but you know what, if he had been nominated and elected, I would have fought hard for his election and success. That’s more than one can say about the BoB babies who want us to have a pity party for a man who lost the nomination of a party he cant’ even commit himself to.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:26pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Well, our own Republican governor hasn’t been doing much of that; our state government is too busy with its joint lawsuit with Oklahoma to overturn Colorado’s weed law, and the governor spending so much time on overturning the death penalty repeal bill. (He’s gotten nowhere with the first, and the referendum was successful on the second - he has his death penalty back and is now trying to pass a death penalty secrecy law for the drugs used).

He claims he is pro-life which is why I guess he is so busy trying to get back the right to sign death warrants.

Here in VA and I remember this well since I took part in the protests, Bob McDonnell attempted to force women to get transvaginal ultrasounds who were going to get abortions.

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Unabogie  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:50pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

“Why should my taxes go up so some of ‘them people’ across the tracks can get free healthcare?”

“Yeah, and how does my paying more taxes for free college when I ain’t got no kids?!”

“My boss said if he’s made to pay higher wages, then jobs are gonna get cut at the plant. I can’t afford to lose my job so’s a buncha losers at the McDonald’s can get $15 for cooking fries!”

Exactly. Bernie may be right on his ideas for helping these folks, but they don’t want to hear it. I mean, does he at least admit that Hillary offered all of those things? Higher wages, more healthcare, free college for their kids? And they scoffed at her and voted for the guy promising to ethnically cleanse America to make it “great” again?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:05:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:08:02pm

re: #123 Unabogie

Exactly. Bernie may be right on his ideas for helping these folks, but they don’t want to hear it. I mean, does he at least admit that Hillary offered all of those things? Higher wages, more healthcare, free college for their kids? And they scoffed at her and voted for the guy promising to ethnically cleanse America to make it “great” again?

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

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Unabogie  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:08:03pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:10:52pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby has two fucking verified accounts. Not that it surprises me.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:11:39pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s easier to shit on Clinton in places where she barely lost than places that she lost overwhelmingly. He just can’t admit that it’s more than just economic. Now, his solution seems to be that we drop the emphasis on the social issues but as I said being staunchly pro-choice, pro LGBT, immigrant, etc is just as much as part of the progressive identity as the issues he speaks of.

I understand your point Happy…but Hillary got a lot of the usual “she is establishment,” “she doesn’t talk to me” and the only positive that I heard was “she isn’t Trump he scared me.” Not a lot of ringing endorsements from people that should have been in her camp. Why?

So, we may not want to hear it…but Hillary didn’t seem to really touch the folks in Kenosha. Again…if I see anything from that show it is pissed people.

If the Democrats get their shit together and get real they can get this government back. But they better get busy, they better be real and they better explain themselves better in all aspects (jobs, social, etc.). or a third party candidate may stand a chance next election if the mood stays the same.

Can’t deny the frustration. And I get the feeling, Hillary didn’t touch that enough. I’m not sure why, I’m going on what these ordinary folks are saying…they are voters and they do reflect what happened.

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Targetpractice  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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We’ll have to replicate the effect of the ion storm when activating the transporter. What was it that tipped you off, all the guys wearing goatees?

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:12:20pm
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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:12:58pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

Senator Sanders won our state caucus, but winning the caucus is not the same as winning the General Election. Caucuses are closed and generally attended by those who are most able to attend. The General Election in a state with mail voting is attended by a whole lot more people. Whilst his message may have resonated with Democrats, we are a distinct minority, and he would not have carried our state.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:13:13pm

Fun on FB

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darthstar  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Too bad for them that Bernie would have been an ineffective President and they would have found that out the hard way but you know what, if he had been nominated and elected, I would have fought hard for his election and success. That’s more than one can say about the BoB babies who want us to have a pity party for a man who lost the nomination of a party he cant’ even commit himself to.

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

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bratwurst  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:15:54pm

re: #133 darthstar

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it.

Yet you are still here every day poking away.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:15:57pm

re: #133 darthstar

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

Fair point but I guess my point is I may have felt that way but I still would have gone to war for him so to speak the way I feel many of his diehards were not willing to do for her. I know you think a lot of us dismiss it but I know a lot of hardcore Sanders supporters who are almost gleeful about the DNC hacking because they think the DNC deserved it for favoring Clinton over him. You may not feel that way yourself but a lot of them do.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:16:37pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He can’t acknowledge that because by acknowledging that, that means admitting the mythical WWC is capable of voting for the same “identity politics” that he shuns social liberals for supporting. It must be nice to be Senator from Vermont, a staunchly liberal state. But the rest of us live in states that actually have not only some cultural diversity but political as well. Hell, in SC and BeachDem can vouch for this, you have Nikki Haley still bragging about keeping the Unions out when Unions are at a historical weak.

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

washingtonpost.com

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allegro  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:17:09pm

Strangely on topic in a weird way, I’ve gotten on an insatiable opera kick. I just went on a shopping binge ordering Aida, La Boheme, Romeo and Juliet, Faust, and Tosca. Watching La Traviata now on YouTube (Roberto Alagna, swoon).

Just figured out why. They are all tragic as fuck. Considering my overall negative disposition with our current state of affairs, I’m finding them actually uplifting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:17:23pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

I understand your point Happy…but Hillary got a lot of the usual “she is establishment,” “she doesn’t talk to me” and the only positive that I heard was “she isn’t Trump he scared me.” Not a lot of ringing endorsements from people that should have been in her camp. Why?

So, we may not want to hear it…but Hillary didn’t seem to really touch the folks in Kenosha. Again…if I see anything from that show it is pissed people.

If the Democrats get their shit together and get real they can get this government back. But they better get busy, they better be real and they better explain themselves better in all aspects (jobs, social, etc.). or a third party candidate may stand a chance next election if the mood stays the same.

Can’t deny the frustration. And I get the feeling, Hillary didn’t touch that enough. I’m not sure why, I’m going on what these ordinary folks are saying…they are voters and they do reflect what happened.

I just personally think a lot of them weren’t paying attention to her message. I think she was saying what her message was but so many of them fell for the faux populist bullshit that Trump was welling. Now maybe Clinton could have handled that better in hindsight but honestly I don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who fall for bullshti time and time again. These are the same people who fell for REagan’s bullshit charms too.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:18:12pm

re: #133 darthstar

He might have been ineffective. Then again he might not have. But at least he wouldn’t have been dangerous.

Sorry about the snark upthread. I know people still resent the fuck out of Bernie and for the life of me I don’t see the point in it. It makes as much sense as me being angry at Hillary or the lady three doors down from me with the black dog, or the courtesy clerk at Safeway with the weird hair.

I supported Senator Sanders during the primaries, but when it became obvious the choice was going to be Secretary Clinton I threw in behind her.

Being angry at Senator Sanders will not be helpful going forward, as we are in a much richer target environment for our anger. On the other hand, Senator Sanders needs to pull with the Democrats - a tirade of “Hillary this” or “Hillary that” will not be helpful to his cause either. The Democratic Party adopted much of his platform into its own.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:03pm

re: #131 Anymouse

Senator Sanders won our state caucus, but winning the caucus is not the same as winning the General Election. Caucuses are closed and generally attended by those who are most able to attend. The General Election in a state with mail voting is attended by a whole lot more people. Whilst his message may have resonated with Democrats, we are a distinct minority, and he would not have carried our state.

Exactly and I hope you know I meant no offense when I pointed out that he won your state which is very Republican in the primaries. It just annoyed me that he would do that with even less votes since as you said your state is a caucus state while he completely dismissed Clinton winning Southern states. At least those Southern states had large parts of the Democratic base in it. The other thing is and maybe this is silly but I can’t get over him talking about how he’s a proud New Yorker yet having left the state so long ago.

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Interesting Times  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:22pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

I agree. But gearing real people explain there positions no matter how good or bad is something I want to hear right now.

And yes, this can be confusing, and maybe even redundant and pointless…but so much I do not understand and maybe this will help.

I would also recommend reading this (which I’ve been meaning to post for some time):

Neoliberalism: the deep story that lies beneath Donald Trump’s triumph

It was inevitable that the blazing, insurrectionary confidence of neoliberalism would exert a stronger gravitational pull than the dying star of social democracy. Hayek’s triumph could be witnessed everywhere from Blair’s expansion of the private finance initiative to Clinton’s repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, which had regulated the financial sector. For all his grace and touch, Barack Obama, who didn’t possess a narrative either (except “hope”), was slowly reeled in by those who owned the means of persuasion.

As I warned in April, the result is first disempowerment then disenfranchisement. If the dominant ideology stops governments from changing social outcomes, they can no longer respond to the needs of the electorate. Politics becomes irrelevant to people’s lives; debate is reduced to the jabber of a remote elite. The disenfranchised turn instead to a virulent anti-politics in which facts and arguments are replaced by slogans, symbols and sensation. The man who sank Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidency was not Donald Trump. It was her husband.

One really needs to read the whole thing to appreciate just how long this sociopolitical cancer has been metastasizing :/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:19:56pm

re: #136 BeachDem

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

washingtonpost.com

Something you know who again ignores.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:20:13pm

re: #117 darthstar

That’s too bad. It’s been a pretty good town hall and Bernie took a number of tough questions and gave honest (not politically popular with some people) answers. But he doesn’t have a D next to his name anyway so fuck him.

Darth, I agree with what you are saying about Bernie in this town hall.

But, can you give the no “D” by his name stuff a rest. It is unimportant at this time.

The election is over, how about we get busy on the next one and get a party that has their game firmed up and listens to the people like this so we can get a handle on it.

I want a Democratic party that learns from this and doesn’t muck around over the past.

It would be nice if we had a Democratic party that would either be enough to get Bernie in it, or is strong enough to put someone that doesn’t want that “D” in a place politically that he wouldn’t have the power Bernie mustered as an independent.

I don’t know if I explained that right…but I hope you get the gist.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:20:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:21:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:21:56pm

I’ll give it a rest though. The problem though I see is many of Bernie’s diehards that he’s attracted treat the DNC as if they’re just as big the enemy as the RNC and I hate that shit. The DNC for all its flaws championed policies that don’t allow me to be denied health insurance because of my heart condition and they stand up for immigrants iike my SiL and her family. Maybe that doesn’t mean that much to some dickhead who’s read some Chomsky or Zinn on a college campus and thinks he knows it alll but it means a lot to me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:22:40pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

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He’s the ranking member on Intel isn’t he? Goddamn she’s not only a liar but an easily proven one too just like her dumb boss.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:00pm

Rachel just offered some tidbits about the Newsweek story coming out tomorrow — about conflict of interest. Apparently Trump told Erdogan in a private conversation that he valued a Turkish business partner, and Erdogan has now arrested him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:20pm

looks like Kurt’s article in the morning should be really good.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:23:34pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Darth, I agree with what you are saying about Bernie in this town hall.

But, can you give the no “D” by his name stuff a rest. It is unimportant at this time.

The election is over, how about we get busy on the next one and get a party that has their game firmed up and listens to the people like this so we can get a handle on it.

I want a Democratic party that learns from this and doesn’t muck around over the past.

It would be nice if we had a Democratic party that would either be enough to get Bernie in it, or is strong enough to put someone that doesn’t want that “D” in a place politically that he wouldn’t have the power Bernie mustered as an independent.

I don’t know if I explained that right…but I hope you get the gist.

I’m all for working on the 2018 elections in particular. (The 2020 census followed by congressional redistricting is in play. An awful lot of statehouses elected in 2018 will be redrawing those lines.)

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:25:25pm

re: #102 William Lewis

And a drink or three for the editor of Teen Vogue. There is another real hero.

Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

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Anymouse  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:27:38pm

Well, our friend is coming by in a few minutes, so I am going to bail out now. G’night y’all from California.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:29:34pm

re: #136 BeachDem

Excellent WaPo breakdown of WWC—and this particularly stood out:

Trump campaigned on promises to restore employment in factories and the manufacturing sector through aggressive negotiation on international trade. Yet not that many members of the white working class work traditional manufacturing jobs. Most of them are employed in white-collar or service occupations, according to the Brookings Institution.

Also, while we cry for the poor white working class —

White workers without a degree earn more than workers of other races and ethnicities with similar levels of education, according to the bureau.

median white worker with only a high-school diploma makes $706 in an ordinary week
Latinos/Asians, $611
Blacks, $578

washingtonpost.com

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:31:57pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

Just imagine all of the young people being introduced to - and empowered by - their hard work.

All the respect, and then some.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:39pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:41pm

re: #154 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just imagine all of the young people being introduced to - and empowered by - their hard work.

All the respect, and then some.

For real.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:32:59pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I’ll give it a rest though. The problem though I see is many of Bernie’s diehards that he’s attracted treat the DNC as if they’re just as big the enemy as the RNC and I hate that shit. The DNC for all its flaws championed policies that don’t allow me to be denied health insurance because of my heart condition and they stand up for immigrants iike my SiL and her family. Maybe that doesn’t mean that much to some dickhead who’s read some Chomsky or Zinn on a college campus and thinks he knows it alll but it means a lot to me.

No doubt there is that impression of the DNC. And they better fight it so there is no “both sides” “magic balancing act” thinking. They are fighting a lot of ignorance so maybe while they campaign. some of the party’s money people might want to put some bucks into a Democratic history education programs to fight crap like FOX News, talk radio…hell almost the entire media.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:34:52pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

He got a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump. Unforgivable.

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jhncsy  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:35:43pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

The sad part is, Chomsky has his head on straight. I don’t have the article, but he did come out and say, basically, “This is too important. As much as I disagree with Clinton, she’s better than the alternative, and she’s also a step in the right direction.” But you know, it’s just not sexy being a responsible adult.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:41:43pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:43:02pm

I’d reiterate all the reasons why I think Bernie deserves some pushback but it’s not like they haven’t been written out repeatedly by people here. People are going to see or not see what they choose. All anyone can do is make note and react accordingly.

I mean, it’s not like we don’t have practice at dealing with folks here who completely ignore the arguments they have no response to. DF might be gone but my skills are still in fine form.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:45:24pm

Some wingnut idiot just popped into my mentions with HURR HURR EMAILS!!!!!

Blocked immediately, not even worth a Go Fuck Yourself.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:46:20pm

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:46:56pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

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Here she is. Black Women. All the respect.

Would someone who is on twitter tell her that as a US Army NCO I only want to salute her. She has done what so few have been willing to do - stand up for our nation no matter what. She is a hero: a real American. I thank her from the bottom of my heart.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:47:28pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

The reviews are in for new Russian citizen Steven Seagal, and they’re not pretty.

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That is hilarious!! Is he still ducking bullets and beating up entire gangs singlehandedly?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:48:38pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

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You weren’t considered though, dawg.

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:49:03pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the world watches. Damn. What the hell humans?

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:51:36pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

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Not surprising. Asinine. But not surprising… :(

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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:52:21pm

Rachel is now reporting Rex Tillerson is going to be Trump’s SOS choice. Let the fight commence. But will there be any Republicans really challenging this decision?

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Interesting Times  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:52:59pm

Okay, here are my rambling thoughts:

- no matter what you think of Bernie, he did say things that resonated with a lot of people. Some of those things had the crossover appeal to hardcore progressives and supposedly conservative members of the much-ballyhooed “WWC”

- what was the main difference between trump and all the other GOPers also-rans? Was it “political outsider” status? Not unique to trump - Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina had it, too. Was it racism? Trump was the loudest and most blatant in this respect, but the other also-rans did plenty of pandering of their own. So again, not unique to trump. But what was unique to trump was populism - in fact, the positions that got him traction in the so-called “Brexit” states of OH, WI, MI, and PA were ripped off from Bernie (opposition to NAFTA and TPP)

- epic Russian ratfuckery aside, the HRC campaign did indeed engage in political malpractice, the most tragic and blatant example being a failure to run against the entire GOP instead of just trump (and what did happen in this respect was too little, too late - what the Dems needed was full-throated, populist rhetoric denouncing GOP obstructionism and a clear demonstration of how it fucked up everything good - and this needed to be done in prime time at the convention instead of the pathetic attempts to paint some GOPers (e.g. granny-starver Paul Ryan) as “reasonable” compared to Trump)

Again I refer to this (note how much better the ad text in purple was received by the respective focus groups):

and this:

TL;DR version? It’s not a binary choice between “identity politics” and economic populism. It’s a message that links populism with other progressive principles. Granted, some people will only respond to populism coupled with racist and nativist fuckwittery, but there’s still a significant chunk who could swing either away - those are the people Dems need to focus on if they want to win in a meaningful way again.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:11pm

re: #136 BeachDem

That’s quite a wage gap. Goes to show how bogus all this talk of the WWC really is given that they earn more than the WC of color.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:22pm

Later Lizards. Dinner needs cooking and I probably need a break right now anyway.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:55:42pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 12, 2016 • 6:57:33pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

We’ll have to replicate the effect of the ion storm when activating the transporter. What was it that tipped you off, all the guys wearing goatees?

I thought it was George Takei tweeting GOP memes that gave him that idea.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:02:12pm

re: #170 ObserverArt

Rachel is now reporting Rex Tillerson is going to be Trump’s SOS choice. Let the fight commence. But will there be any Republicans really challenging this decision?

Graham and McCain need to put their money where their mouths are.

Angry and upset about the Russian interference with the election, and are demanding an investigation? Then come out forcefully against this Putin BFF.

I’m not holding my breath, though.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:08:00pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Oh Mitt, pick up your conscience when you leave earth.

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And look around for your dignity, although I think that’s long gone.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:09:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:10:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:14:18pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:15:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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William Lewis  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:15:49pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

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Ah, but the problem is that this is exactly what those scumbags want. It’s their Reichstag fire moment to blame on us leftists.

I will still be fighting against them, no matter what.

Never again. To Anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:17:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:18:42pm
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bratwurst  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:28:50pm

Could an outlet with a higher profile than Newsweek that hasn’t been passed around like a cheap bottle of hootch (and is currently owned by a company reputed to be an arm of a shadowy religious organization) publish some of these Trump stories? Please?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:31:10pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:31:52pm

Pretty quiet night. Oh well…Later Lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:32:05pm

I’ll start taking David Frum and Tom Nichols seriously when they acknowledge their role in legitimizing the grievance-mongering right wing base that led to this nightmarish election.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:33:24pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fascist talk.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:35:01pm
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NoSoapForYou  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:36:16pm

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:39:40pm

re: #185 bratwurst

Could an outlet with a higher profile than Newsweek that hasn’t been passed around like a cheap bottle of hootch (and is currently owned by a company reputed to be an arm of a shadowy religious organization) publish some of these Trump stories? Please?

I’m going with the Eichenwald name, not Newsweek.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:39:52pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What part of your guy losing the popular vote don’t you get Newt?

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:42:54pm

re: #192 We’re Way Beyond Snark

I’m going with the Eichenwald name, not Newsweek.

Newsweek let’s him do the work. I’ll definitely give them some credit.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:43:14pm

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

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Scottishdragon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:43:15pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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This is where the purges and book burnings begin.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:09pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Hacking Hypocrisy” — fuck you, Lumpy. I want to know YOUR ties to the Kremlin.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:14pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

What part of your guy losing the popular vote don’t you get Newt?

I think they’ll get it when Democrats start using it repeatedly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:33pm

re: #195 BeachDem

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

I’ll go easy on you since this is a rare week where I actually want the Pats to win. Speaking of my Steelers though, I did uncover some pretty convincing evidence that my Dad’s uncle was friends with Art Rooney, Sr.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:45:48pm

re: #198 Belafon

I think they’ll get it when Democrats start using it repeatedly.

They need to.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:47:16pm

Fact of the matter is the Democrats have won the popular vote every election since 1992 except 2004. Let the Republicans shit on California and New York for not being “Real America.” Those states are just as real America as the sparsely populated Red Areas the GOP runs up the margins in.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:48:17pm

Tomorrow, any response to the SOS announcement must be “Is Russia going to control you like Turkey will?”

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:48:52pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Fact of the matter is the Democrats have won the popular vote every election since 1992 except 2004. Let the Republicans shit on California and New York for not being “Real America.” Those states are just as real America as the sparsely populated Red Areas the GOP runs up the margins in.

Call me CT, but I still believe something was off about the Ohio vote in 2004. And that that was why Rove thought he had it later.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:50:18pm

re: #203 retired cynic

Call me CT, but I still believe something was off about the Ohio vote in 2004. And that that was why Rove thought he had it later.

I honestly don’t know. But even if Kerry does win Ohio, he still had lost the popular vote. Hell this year was the first year since 1928 where the Republicans won a presidential election without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:51:18pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:52:45pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I had a corgi that liked to do that. And eat my cucumbers off the vine for me.

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makeitstop  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:52:49pm

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:53:08pm

Hard to measure exactly, but apparently Putin just met Kellyanne.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:53:18pm

re: #195 BeachDem

So, I’ve come up with a way to still like the Patriots after the Brady/Belichick thing. I’ve decided that they used reverse psychology and were really supporting Hillary. No, wait.

They knew New England would go Dem, and they know that everyone else in the country hates their guts, so by supporting Trump, they were really trying to turn people against him.

Makes sense, right? Shut up.

(Pats 23-Ravens 3; third quarter)

Whatever you need BD, whatever you need.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:54:48pm

re: #208 jaunte

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Hard to measure exactly, but apparently Putin just met Kellyanne.

He does what Vlad tells him to do. He’s Putin’s biatch.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:55:26pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

Oh I imagine it’s like that with a lot of these assholes who talk tough shit online but don’t bother to say much if they’re actually called on their bs IRL.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:56:51pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Something strange happened tonight.

I was out, and ran into not one but two Facebook friends who have been barking the loudest about Trump since the election. They cover the whole nine - ‘Get on the train or feel the pain,’ ‘libs need a safe space,’ all that shit. So I just made small talk and waited for them to start chirping to me (they know I’m a liberal, I make no secret of it on FB).

Not. A. Word.

It’s almost like if they’re away from social media, they’re apparently ashamed to even mention their God Emperor Trump.

I wonder how many other Trump voters scream their lungs out online and fall silent out in the real world…

Some of them make sure to put a white sheet over their head.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:22pm

re: #205 Amory Blaine

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I’m going to Mickey D’s tomorrow to get my commemorative cup. It will be pulled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:57:56pm

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

I had a corgi that liked to do that. And eat my cucumbers off the vine for me.

We had a basset-chow mix who would slowly walk down the cucumber rows, inspecting each cuke. She’d reach the end of the row, turn around and sit for a short time, gazing at the vines. Then she’d perk up, move into a lively trot, and gently remove the one perfect cucumber that she had selected during her inspection.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:58:36pm

re: #212 Belafon

Some of them make sure to put a white sheet over their head.

That’s the real reason why they wear the hoods. It’s not to intimidate. It’s because they’re cowardly little shits who don’t want people knowing who they are.

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retired cynic  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:59:17pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

We had a basset-chow mix who would slowly walk down the cucumber rows, inspecting each cuke. She’d reach the end of the row, turn around and sit for a short time, gazing at the vines. Then she’d perk up, move into a lively trot, and gently remove the one perfect cucumber that she had selected during her inspection.

Did she belch afterwards?

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 7:59:40pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

That’s the real reason why they wear the hoods. It’s not to intimidate. It’s because they’re cowardly little shits who don’t want people knowing who they are.

Which is why the rest of us still have power IF we stick together and stand up to it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:00:10pm

re: #216 retired cynic

Did she belch afterwards?

nope. she was very ladylike and dainty in her eating habits.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:02:23pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I saw this shit coming a mile away. Turkey was either going to close down access to Incirlik AFB or create an incident to force us to extradite this guy for his kangaroo trial.

Trump gave them the very leverage they wanted.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:02:42pm
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Scottishdragon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:04:21pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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The Shining Swineing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:04:43pm

re: #219 Scottishdragon

I saw this shit coming a mile away. Turkey was either going to close down access to Incirlik AFB or create an incident to force us to extradite this guy for his kangaroo trial.

Trump gave them the very leverage they wanted.

Trump just can’t help himself…he has to brag about people he knows.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:06:01pm

Trump’s going to have to keep upping his distraction-fu

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electrotek  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:06:15pm

See if you can find anything wrong with this photo:

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:07:50pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:08:09pm

Got back from a meeting with Democrats in my county. It was basically a Christmas party type thing, not official politics, though we talked politics in groups at the beginning. And I will tell you, for all of my reading and attempting to tell others what is going on, these people are way more passionate than I am.

It’s estimated that the county I live in is about 1/3 Democratic. So, other than every Democrat turning out in an off year, the chance of Democrats picking up some kind of seat here is very tiny. But they were excited.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:09:34pm
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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:10:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:11:04pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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He knows most Republicans won’t care.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:12:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:12:57pm

re: #228 jaunte

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:13:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:13:42pm

re: #230 jaunte

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I’m proud to be a great grandson of coal miners but this current generation of miners fell for a con-man promising them bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:14:24pm

re: #232 jaunte

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Sorry Joe, I couldn’t hear you with your head so far in Trump’s ass.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:21:11pm
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:21:35pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Whatever you need BD, whatever you need.

I think I jinxed them—as soon as I typed that, the Pats started fucking up big time. It’s now 23-17 Pats. I turned it off so as to not inflict any further damage!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:24:06pm

re: #235 jaunte

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Surely just a coincidence right? // All about green just as my Grandpa always said.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:25:42pm

re: #236 BeachDem

I think I jinxed them—as soon as I typed that, the Pats started fucking up big time. It’s now 23-17 Pats. I turned it off so as to not inflict any further damage!

23-20 now. Steelers fan here and a NE win would really help, but I still find myself wanting the Baltimore Browns to beat them.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:26:51pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Trump is going to make historians forget Credit Mobilier, The Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, and Watergate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:28:11pm

re: #238 Eventual Carrion

23-20 now. Steelers fan here and a NE win would really help, but I still find myself wanting the Baltimore Browns to beat them.

I feel so conflicted about it especially since I’m an O’s fan in baseball so I don’t really hate the Ravens as much as most Steelers fans do. Speaking of the Steelers though, I’m reading Art Rooney Jr(the son of the founding owner not Dan’s son)’s biography of his family history and it’s so funny for me to read about the North Side Pittsburgh Germans and Irish because that’s literally my Dad’s lineage. His father was of German parentage and his mother of Irish. The uncle I mentioned earlier was my grandmother’s older brother and the same age as Art Rooney, Sr’s brother who like my Uncle was a priest who was a chaplain during the Battle of the Bulge.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:29:09pm

There ya go BD. PA makes it a two possession game.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:30:33pm

Trump “wins” election

Erdogan calls to “congratulate” Trump

Trump brags about his rich and powerful real-estate “friends” in Turkey

Erdogan has wanted Gülen for years, whether or not he was involved in the coup

Lightbulb for Erdogan - Arrest Trump’s “friends”, putting his investments at risk

Erdogan demands extradition of Gülen in return for the release of Trump’s business pals

Inevitably, Trump will cave

We. Are. Fucked.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:31:29pm

re: #242 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump “wins” election

Erdogan calls to “congratulate” Trump

Trump brags about his rich and powerful real-estate “friends” in Turkey

Erdogan has wanted Gülen for years, whether or not he was involved in the coup

Lightbulb for Erdogan - Arrest Trump’s “friends”, putting his inestments at risk

Erdogan demands extradition of Gülen in return for the release of Trump’s business pals

Inevitably, Trump will cave

We. Are. Fucked.

Trump is an idiot who doesn’t think before he talks. He’s a reckless fool.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:32:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:33:05pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

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Interesting Times  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:34:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:35:49pm

Trump is going to rob the country so blind it will make Enron look like chump change.

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allegro  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:35:56pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

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He’s finally going to sell that Brooklyn Bridge?

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:37:57pm
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:38:39pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

There ya go BD. PA makes it a two possession game.

Now I had to turn it on again…

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:41:39pm
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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:41:42pm

re: #251 BeachDem

Now I had to turn it on again…

The Ravens kick a field goal—one possession game—now I have to turn it off again.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:43:04pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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Deflecting from the Eichenwald story also. Too.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:43:06pm

re: #252 jaunte

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But, but Perry was once Ag Commissioner—doesn’t that count for anything in the energy arena? It’s like being a nuclear physicist except without the physicist part, or the nuclear part, or the brain part…

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allegro  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:44:02pm

re: #255 BeachDem

But, but Perry was once Ag Commissioner—doesn’t that count for anything in the energy arena? It’s like being a nuclear physicist except without the physicist part, or the nuclear part, or the brain part…

But he’s watched a lot of goats fuck I bet.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:45:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:45:52pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:46:40pm

Oh, this is good (and timely given the current Polar Vortex :D )

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:47:42pm

Some people should listen to their own first impressions.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:50:57pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:52:22pm

re: #228 jaunte

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Bannon wants to burn it all down

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Lidane  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:53:40pm

re: #250 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:31pm

re: #262 Stanley Sea

Bannon wants to burn it all down

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For all the wrong reasons of course. Perkins is only happy with sexually repressed self hating Evangelicals like himself.

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jaunte  Dec 12, 2016 • 8:54:52pm

re: #263 Lidane

Breitbart Radio is going to convince so many young men in the Middle East that they shouldn’t radicalize.

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BeachDem  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:00:39pm

Interesting stories about Michigan recount in Detroit. Both the main article and some other reports in the comments with pictures. Trump certainly had a bevy of lawyers up there for someone who was certain that he’d won fair and square.

medium.com

Things that make you go hmmm and then proceed to projectile vomiting.

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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:06:14pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:07:36pm
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Kragar  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:10:10pm
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Belafon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:10:26pm
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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:14:17pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

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ipsos  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:18:03pm

re: #273 Joe Bacon

Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

Merry Christmases. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS.

//

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:26:14pm

re: #273 Joe Bacon

Thanks to His Ass-Holeyness, “Merry Christmas” has become the new “Fuck You”!

re: #274 ipsos

Merry Christmases. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS.

//

Okay I feel you. But no. Nobody gets to steal the phrase for that. Do not cede that ground.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:27:49pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

How many is that now?

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:28:08pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

Sorry that sounds harsh but that guy has taken enough already. Apologies.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:30:41pm

re: #239 jaunte

Trump is going to make historians forget Credit Mobilier, The Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, and Watergate.

Don’t forget how Reagan let Millken loot the Savings and Loans and Dumbya lying us into a war that…Oh, why bother to say that anymore….honestly…how I have completely lost faith in this country…and why I tossed something in the trash because of all the hate it generated from phonies too chicken to serve in the armed forces but are obsessed with wearing cheap flag pins made in China…

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:38:17pm

Dude, Snarky Puppy is opening for Umphrey’s McGee at Red Rocks on 1 July.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:38:50pm

re: #277 Unshaken Defiance

Sorry that sounds harsh but that guy has taken enough already. Apologies.

What frustrates me is the whining about Happy Holidays is it honestly sort of puts a damper on what is a special time of the year. Every Christmas Eve we have my late Nana’s Crab Imperial recipe. I don’t care if people wish me a Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas and I really wish Heritage and these other right wing pricks would stop whining about a phrase that honestly is just trying to be polite. Sure if someone celebrates Christmas and I know it, I’m more likely to wish them that but if I honestly don’t know or even if I do know and I know I won’t be seeing them before the New Year, I do say Happy Holidays. Happy Holidays to me can easily be another way of saying Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:49:43pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

But you see. The people pissed off about “Happy Holidays” are pissed ofF because it reminds them that their holiday isn’t the single universal one for EVERYONE.

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teleskiguy  Dec 12, 2016 • 9:53:03pm
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Bass Reeves  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:15:34pm

re: #171 Interesting Times

May I ask how that purple message does anything but put economic anxiety over the concerns of the various minorities?

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 12, 2016 • 10:17:49pm

re: #256 allegro

Watched?
Sure…


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