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Stanley Sea  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:19:41pm

Start here

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Kragar  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:21:14pm
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Kragar  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:23:16pm
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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:24:02pm

I heard a talk on our local NPR station today, an interview with a woman named Brett Kaplan from the University of Illinois in C-U (my alma mater, if Gov. Rauner doesn’t totally destroy higher education in the state). She is director of the “Holocaust, Genocide, and Memory Studies” initiative, and she talks about the relationship to the current white supremacy movement and ties it to Trump, and the dangers of how it relates to the holocaust. Other genocides are mentioned. It was good.

nprillinois.org

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Stanley Sea  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:28:32pm

re: #3 Kragar

The kill is Sean Spicer. That dude is a prime time liar/propagandist.

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BeachDem  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:39:34pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Start here

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Fabulous! Glad I didn’t watch the shitshow last night. Just the clips in Tommy’s tweetfest are enraging enough. What a bunch of assholes (yeah, I’m looking at you Bernie, and you Chris too, as well as your idiotic audience.)

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BeachDem  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:43:24pm

re: #3 Kragar

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Did anyone refer to Obama as PEOTUS? I don’t recall that being used before. At least not like now with the yam.

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:45:22pm

re: #7 BeachDem

Did anyone refer to Obama as PEOTUS? I don’t recall that being used before. At least not like now with the yam.

He was no-drama Obama, and kept his PEOTUS period quiet and peaceful. DT relishes chaos, and the media is obliging him with non-stop coverage.

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:45:38pm

Iowahawk thinks these videos are a joke, as per usual.

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:47:57pm
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BeachDem  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:49:34pm

re: #8 retired cynic

He was no-drama Obama, and kept his PEOTUS period quiet and peaceful. DT relishes chaos, and the media is obliging him with non-stop coverage.

I was just wondering about the term PEOTUS—just don’t remember it being used in place of his name.

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:52:11pm

re: #11 BeachDem

I was just wondering about the term PEOTUS—just don’t remember it being used in place of his name.

I don’t either. Of course, I hate everything to do with the man, and that now extends to the term PEOTUS. I won’t say his name. He is DT. Period.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:52:30pm

re: #11 BeachDem

I was just wondering about the term PEOTUS—just don’t remember it being used in place of his name.

I always read foetus

And with that good night & continued bad dreams.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:56:37pm

re: #11 BeachDem

I was just wondering about the term PEOTUS—just don’t remember it being used in place of his name.

It’s become the next step after SCOTUS and POTUS. Now we have PEOTUS, FLOTUS, VPEOTUS, SLOTUS, too.

TBH, I was annoyed by SCOTUS and POTUS. Back in my days of being a reporter, we were told to avoid jargon and just use words most people can understand, like “the Supreme Court” and “the President.”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 13, 2016 • 9:58:57pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

It’s become the next step after SCOTUS and POTUS. Now we have PEOTUS, FLOTUS, VPEOTUS, SLOTUS, too.

TBH, I was annoyed by SCOTUS and POTUS. Back in my days of being a reporter, we were told to avoid jargon and just use words most people can understand, like “the Supreme Court” and “the President.”

Addendum: I assume the acronyms came into use to work around Twitter’s character limit, and like LOL and BBIAB, they’ve now entered everyday general use.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:04:52pm

re: #15 wheat-dogg

Addendum: I assume the acronyms came into use to work around Twitter’s character limit, and like LOL and BBIAB, they’ve now entered everyday general use.

Actually, I think POTUS was originally a Secret Service thing.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:08:07pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Actually, I think POTUS was originally a Secret Service thing.

Makes sense, though I thought they had code words for each president.

Wonder what Trump’s is?

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:12:15pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

It’s become the next step after SCOTUS and POTUS. Now we have PEOTUS, FLOTUS, VPEOTUS, SLOTUS, too.

TBH, I was annoyed by SCOTUS and POTUS. Back in my days of being a reporter, we were told to avoid jargon and just use words most people can understand, like “the Supreme Court” and “the President.”

We also have DOTUS, i.e. Ivanka

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:13:01pm

re: #17 wheat-dogg

Makes sense, though I thought they had code words for each president.

Wonder what Trump’s is?

Dumbass?

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:13:33pm

This ski bum is pretty rad. Drops into one of the sketchiest lines in Jackson Hole on his birthday, has for 42 years.

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Kilroy was here  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:15:33pm

I wonder if Trump would just quit if he had to sell his business.

Government Ethics Office Says Trump Should Divest Himself Of His Businesses

President-elect Donald Trump should divest himself of his vast business interests in order to avoid conflicts of interest while in the White House, according to a letter from the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

Moreover, transferring ownership of his businesses to his grown children wouldn’t go far enough to address the conflicts, the letter said.

“Transferring operational control of a company to one’s children would not constitute the establishment of a qualified blind trust, nor would it eliminate conflicts of interest” under federal statutes governing conflicts of interest, said the letter, written by OGE Director Walter M. Shaub, Jr.

npr.org

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:20:06pm

I keep trying to believe that Obama is going to do something. He can’t let this happen without a fight. He’s going to do something.

Starting to lose all faith. The tick-tick-tick of the clock is terrifying seeing nothing but normalizing of evil. I think Olbermann is right and it’s sick-making.

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:20:26pm

re: #21 Kilroy was here

I wonder if Trump would just quit if he had to sell his business.

Government Ethics Office Says Trump Should Divest Himself Of His Businesses

npr.org

surprise, surprise, surprise … It’s all ok; he’ll tell us what he’ll do sometime next month. No more big deals. Surprise!

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:21:00pm

re: #22 allegro

I keep trying to believe that Obama is going to do something. He can’t let this happen without a fight. He’s going to do something.

Starting to lose all faith. The tick-tick-tick of the clock is terrifying seeing nothing but normalizing of evil. I think Olbermann is right and it’s sick-making.

What can he do???

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:33:14pm

re: #24 retired cynic

What can he do???

Release the information for a start. Use his bully pulpit in an aggressive manner to lay out the very real dangers we face with the Orange one and his idiot, incompetent, and compromised cabinet picks. Lay it out in clear terms that THIS is what is about to happen: SS and Medicare, no more; environmental protection, nada; FDA, neutered; on and on. Fucking war drums we already hear beating. Make these the personal and very real issues they very really are. Scare the crap out of the EC and the numbnuts who voted for this.

We talk about fighting back and resisting. Great… so? Carry signs and march? Maybe vote in a couple of years? We’re helpless. Obama is still POTUS and he’s at 59% approval. He CAN fight and make a difference. We elected him to do that. All of our asses are flat on the line and damn it I expect him to come out in full-throated fight for us and the future of our country.

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:35:13pm

re: #25 allegro

Release the information for a start. Use his bully pulpit in an aggressive manner to lay out the very real dangers we face with the Orange one and his idiot, incompetent, and compromised cabinet picks. Lay it out in clear terms that THIS is what is about to happen: SS and Medicare, no more; environmental protection, nada; FDA, neutered; on and on. Fucking war drums we already hear beating. Make these the personal and very real issues they very really are. Scare the crap out of the EC and the numbnuts who voted for this.

We talk about fighting back and resisting. Great… so? Carry signs and march? Maybe vote in a couple of years? We’re helpless. Obama is still POTUS and he’s at 59% approval. He CAN fight and make a difference. We elected him to do that. All of our asses are flat on the line and damn it I expect him to come out in full-throated fight for us and the future of our country.

I’ll pick up a banner and push my walker and follow you!

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:38:05pm

re: #26 retired cynic

I’ll pick up a banner and push my walker and follow you!

LOL We’ll make quite the team!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:40:41pm

re: #25 allegro

Release the information for a start. Use his bully pulpit in an aggressive manner to lay out the very real dangers we face with the Orange one and his idiot, incompetent, and compromised cabinet picks. Lay it out in clear terms that THIS is what is about to happen: SS and Medicare, no more; environmental protection, nada; FDA, neutered; on and on. Fucking war drums we already hear beating. Make these the personal and very real issues they very really are. Scare the crap out of the EC and the numbnuts who voted for this.

We talk about fighting back and resisting. Great… so? Carry signs and march? Maybe vote in a couple of years? We’re helpless. Obama is still POTUS and he’s at 59% approval. He CAN fight and make a difference. We elected him to do that. All of our asses are flat on the line and damn it I expect him to come out in full-throated fight for us and the future of our country.

I think it was DD that posted an excerpt from a conference call Obama had with community organizers shortly after the election - if it was someone else, please forgive my memory. What I remember from it was that Obama feels constrained by the office in terms of what he can do as the President but intends to be more forceful as a private citizen.

Maybe something will change his mind but he’s certainly been aware of precedent, for better or for worse.

Anyway, I am going to plead headache (the margaritas only helped for so long) and the thankful happiness that comes with good news from a friend (hooray!) and step away from the computer screen for the evening.

(This cough and whatever the hell else it is sucks.)

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:47:24pm

re: #28 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think it was DD that posted an excerpt from a conference call Obama had with community organizers shortly after the election - if it was someone else, please forgive my memory. What I remember from it was that Obama feels constrained by the office in terms of what he can do as the President but intends to be more forceful as a private citizen.

Maybe something will change his mind but he’s certainly been aware of precedent, for better or for worse.

Anyway, I am going to plead headache (the margaritas only helped for so long) and the thankful happiness that comes with good news from a friend (hooray!) and step away from the computer screen for the evening.

(This cough and whatever the hell else it is sucks.)

When he’s a private citizen it’s too damn late. There is no precedent for this - it’s up to him to set it. I love the guy. I voted for him twice with enthusiasm and supported him even when he pissed me off. Now I expect more. This is an existential (no hyperbole) crisis. If there was ever a time to use whatever power and popularity he has amassed it is Right. Fucking. NOW.

(So now I’m freaking out. Can ya tell?)

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William Lewis  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:55:26pm

re: #29 allegro

He does what you want and the union shatters, completely and irreparably, into 5 pissant little nations. Boom, Russia and China get to fight for the spoils. Thats why he’s not triggering ACW2.

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allegro  Dec 13, 2016 • 10:58:26pm

I’m going to sign off before I go off in an irreparable way.

Night all.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:10:02pm

re: #31 allegro

I’m going to sign off before I go off in an irreparable way.

Night all.

I don’t blame anyone here. We are all shit scared. It’s like how Susan Ivanova in Babylon 5 describes her father. He drank to escape the wolf at the door every night. He always took three drinks, he described, “in case the wolf had cubs”.

We are waiting at the door with dread, knowing that the moment we panic and bolt, we will be caught and eaten. Waiting, we are mad with fear.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:10:03pm

re: #29 allegro

When he’s a private citizen it’s too damn late. There is no precedent for this - it’s up to him to set it. I love the guy. I voted for him twice with enthusiasm and supported him even when he pissed me off. Now I expect more. This is an existential (no hyperbole) crisis. If there was ever a time to use whatever power and popularity he has amassed it is Right. Fucking. NOW.

(So now I’m freaking out. Can ya tell?)

In my opinion, at this point there’s no way to fix this without Trump taking office and becoming an albatross around the Republican party’s neck. If somehow he was to be denied office the official line will be “he wouldn’t have been as bad as libs say, that’s just an excuse for their coup!”, and it’ll be pounded into the public’s head by every Republican politician in the country for the next 4 years. Saying “well, he would’ve done lots of bad stuff if we hadn’t stopped him” will not fucking cut it. The burned hand teaches best, and I’m afraid America is going to have find out the hard way the consequences of sticking your hand in the fire if we’re going to actually learn our lesson. I just hope we learn it before we burn our whole goddamn arm off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:10:03pm

re: #29 allegro

When he’s a private citizen it’s too damn late. There is no precedent for this - it’s up to him to set it. I love the guy. I voted for him twice with enthusiasm and supported him even when he pissed me off. Now I expect more. This is an existential (no hyperbole) crisis. If there was ever a time to use whatever power and popularity he has amassed it is Right. Fucking. NOW.

(So now I’m freaking out. Can ya tell?)

Obama is very good at timing. Remember how he sat on his birth certificate until Birtherism became such a core conservative doctrine that they could not back down from it even after he released it?

Except Trump, who denied he ever said anything about it.

Oh fuck it. We are already living in the Alternative Media Reality and the Dawn of the Great American Idiocracy. We will all have to come to terms with our own Private Reality.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:10:31pm

Heh, Trumplethinskin. I like that.

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:12:38pm

I have this cretin on mute but I had to respond to his last bit of wisdom he had to share with me.

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sagehen  Dec 13, 2016 • 11:42:45pm

re: #15 wheat-dogg

Addendum: I assume the acronyms came into use to work around Twitter’s character limit, and like LOL and BBIAB, they’ve now entered everyday general use.

POTUS entered everyday general use when West Wing became a hit show. Before that, it was insider jargon.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 14, 2016 • 12:03:09am
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Alyosha  Dec 14, 2016 • 12:41:47am

Obama either does nothing that we will get to see in the near future and somehow mitigates the damage on the down-low or…

He does what he can do and is branded as the Buchanan of the modern US for his perceived inaction in the face of a serious national split.

Either way, there is no precedent for this. And Obama has to be mindful of the way democracy has functioned up to this point. That he cannot overstep an inch without perhaps causing more damage.

More than anyone, I want Obama to put an angry fist on the scales and right this bullshit once and for all. But I’m not an American (except in spirit) and that isn’t the Obama I’ve come to know.

He must reason that if the American experiment produced him, then it will reject Trump. Sooner or later.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 14, 2016 • 12:46:00am
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Alyosha  Dec 14, 2016 • 12:59:34am

I see the black guy… oh, wait… never mind.

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Lupin  Dec 14, 2016 • 1:18:23am

America is turning into Zimbabwe… Tribal politics… Rigged elections… Corruption at every level… The only thing still missing: macheting your opponents away.

Also like Vichy France: they hate the liberals so much they’re willing to embrace the enemy… And of course vile racial policies and a still charismatic but doddering old fool as a puppethead.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2016 • 2:17:30am

It’s starting to look like the Aleppo ceasefire/evacuation deal has apparently broken down. The story is being reported by AP as well.

aljazeera.com

bigstory.ap.org

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 14, 2016 • 2:29:47am

Since the disaster known as Durr Furor has happened, one question I’ve seen smugly asked over and over again by his frothing faithful is some version of ‘what are libruls going to do now…lol!’… oh, you can add the Bernie or Bust morons to this mix too. After seeing this question again and again, I have a response. It might sound a bit flippant but I say that Democrats really don’t have to change anything for the next election, just let him wreak havoc on his supporters lives. Of course they need to oppose everything and fight it every step of the way, no argument there, but we know how that usually goes. This line of thought is oppose him but he largely ends up getting his way…

Either way, those who voted Democratic this year who are also hurt by Trump sure as hell aren’t suddenly going to vote Republican in the next election, at least I wouldn’t think so. But those who voted for him and then became his victims just might reconsider their allegiances the next time around. Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin but Cheeto Benito won the close states by a razor thin margins. That being the fact, IMO it won’t take much to move the needle back the other way next time around. Add to that the people who sat it out this time and are now going to have their lives screwed up by Trump and the crony Republicans.

For the voters who backed Trump and the Republican party this year, along with those who sat it out, 2020 may be all about hindsight.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 14, 2016 • 3:12:10am

re: #21 Kilroy was here

I wonder if Trump would just quit if he had to sell his business.

Government Ethics Office Says Trump Should Divest Himself Of His Businesses

npr.org

Trump’s reply is that patented smirk of his.

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nkdee  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:06:39am

re: #44 Odie Hugh Manatee

I would like to add that 2018 has Senate seats up for re/election as well as (hopefully) flipping a few more House seats. We often overlook the off-year elections and we should NEVER do that again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:07:53am

re: #46 nkdee

I would like to add that 2018 has Senate seats up for re/election as well as (hopefully) flipping a few more House seats. We often overlook the off-year elections and we should NEVER do that again.

I take it as given that the GOP will hold or gain seats in the off year…

Sorry, but I fear that news has to get a LOT worse before it can start to get any better.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:13:02am

Wolf at the door?
I’m waiting.
With a 12 gauge.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:18:24am

Of course, if liberals shoot a few Cheeto /conspira-liar inspired vigilantes, the cons and possibly even the NRA will suddenly reverse themselves on gun control. Maybe they’ll require approval from a local “faith based” organization or something.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:20:04am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I take it as given that the GOP will hold or gain seats in the off year…

Sorry, but I fear that news has to get a LOT worse before it can start to get any better.

I think there is a chance to make up some ground in the House, but breakdown of seats up for election in the Senate is not favorable.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:21:32am

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

Of course, if liberals shoot a few Cheeto /conspira-liar inspired vigilantes, the cons and possibly even the NRA, will suddenly reverse themselves on gun control. Maybe they’ll require approval from a local “faith based” organization or something.

It’ll be disguised as “preventing Terrorists from getting guns”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:24:26am

re: #50 Mike Lamb

I think there is a chance to make up some ground in the House, but breakdown of seats up for election in the Senate is not favorable.

Its more likely the GOP will gain a filibuster proof Senate majority in 2018, unless by some magic Democrats suddenly decide to start voting in midterm elections.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:32:00am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I take it as given that the GOP will hold or gain seats in the off year…

Sorry, but I fear that news has to get a LOT worse before it can start to get any better.

Not if they dismantle SocSec and Medicare. Once that’s done the GOP is done. The Olds (of which I’m almost one) would vote for Tupac over a GOPer at that point.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:34:04am

re: #53 MsJ

Not if they dismantle SocSec and Medicare. Once that’s done the GOP is done. The Olds (of which I’m almost one) would vote for Tupac over a GOPer at that point.

Yahbbut are Olds likely to riot in the streets or just quietly curl up and die?

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:35:50am

re: #52 Big Beautiful Door

Its more likely the GOP will gain a filibuster proof Senate majority in 2018, unless by some magic Democrats suddenly decide to start voting in midterm elections.

That all depends on how quickly Trumpenstein wrecks everything. For example, right now the word is that the House Republicans want the ACA cut and replaced in one year to feed the animals, I mean their constituents some red meat (those pesky elections every two years!), whereas the Senate Republicans want to move a bit slower by repealing now and replacing in 2-3 years, so as to try and prevent chaos.

If it’s going to happen, I’m rooting that the House gets their way because I don’t think it’s going to work out the way they think it will.

ETA: Either way it’s going to be a clusterfuck so bring it on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:38:49am

re: #55 Odie Hugh Manatee

That all depends on how quickly Trumpenstein wrecks everything. For example, right now the word is that the House Republicans want the ACA cut and replaced in one year to feed the animals, I mean their constituents some red meat (those pesky elections every two years!), whereas the Senate Republicans want to move a bit slower by repealing now and replacing in 2-3 years, so as to try and prevent chaos.

If it’s going to happen, I’m rooting that the House gets their way because I don’t think it’s going to work out the way they think it will.

They want to repeal with NO REPLACEMENT and then drag out the replacement to get people to think they only have to suffer “just a little bit longer” but no replacement will ever be offered. “Let the Democrats come up with a replacement”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:41:44am

re: #56 The Vicious Babushka

They want to repeal with NO REPLACEMENT and then drag out the replacement to get people to think they only have to suffer “just a little bit longer” but no replacement will ever be offered. “Let the Democrats come up with a replacement”

The Republicans have nothing as a replacement, because the ACA was originally a Heritage Foundation proposal. So, what are they going to do? Scrap the ACA then come back with a “new plan” that’s just like the old one? Even the idiots who voted them in will notice there’s no difference.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:43:48am

re: #57 wheat-dogg

The Republicans have nothing as a replacement, because the ACA was originally a Heritage Foundation proposal. So, what are they going to do? Scrap the ACA then come back with a “new plan” that’s just like the old one? Even the idiots who voted them in will notice there’s no difference.

I actually went to Paul Ryan’s website to read about his “replacement.” It’s the same old bullshit of HSA’s and selling junk policies across state lines.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:44:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:46:04am

re: #53 MsJ

Not if they dismantle SocSec and Medicare. Once that’s done the GOP is done. The Olds (of which I’m almost one) would vote for Tupac over a GOPer at that point.

We assume too much. They can do whatever they want and their supporters will vote for them.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:52:37am

The communist dog is 25 years dead but the subversive tail still wags.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:56:21am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

It’s all pretty clear that America has just elected the Trump Family as members of the executive branch, not just Donald.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:58:43am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We assume too much. They can do whatever they want and their supporters will vote for them.

I’m pretty confident they don’t have the votes in the Senate to cut Social Security or Medicare. They will focus on eliminating almost all federal assistance for the poor, since they are lazy takers who don’t vote.//

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:00:03am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

I actually went to Paul Ryan’s website to read about his “replacement.” It’s the same old bullshit of HSA’s and selling junk policies across state lines.

BUY A PLAN FROM ALABAMA THAT DOESN’T HAVE A SINGLE IN-NETWORK DOCTOR IN VIRGINIA!1!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:01:51am

re: #64 Timothy Watson

BUY A PLAN FROM ALABAMA THAT DOESN’T HAVE A SINGLE IN-NETWORK DOCTOR IN VIRGINIA!1!!

HURR HURR TEH COMPETITIONS KEEP TEH PRICES DOWN!!!!!!

What they don’t realize is that eliminating all regulations doesn’t encourage “competition” on the contrary the bigger companies will crush all the challengers and carve out their fiefdoms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:05:29am

re: #62 wheat-dogg

It’s all pretty clear that America has just elected the Trump Family as members of the executive branch, not just Donald.

If that was not clear to his supporters, then it is their own fault. And a tragedy for the rest of us…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:07:07am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH COMPETITIONS KEEP TEH PRICES DOWN!!!!!!

What they don’t realize is that eliminating all regulations doesn’t encourage “competition” on the contrary the bigger companies will crush all the challengers and carve out their fiefdoms.

There are some aspects of the economy that do not function well under an unregulated market: generally, those that involve managing and distributing resources. I see the health of the nation as a national resource, and health care as a means of ensuring it, not a product in itself.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:08:36am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are some things that do not function well under an unregulated market: generally, those that involve managing and distributing resources. I see the health of the nation as a national resource, and health care as a means of ensuring it, not a product in itself.

Wingnuts also have no understanding of externalities, positive or negative.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:11:19am

re: #68 Timothy Watson

Wingnuts also have no understanding of externalities, positive or negative.

everything is a commodity to be bought and sold for a profit, and preferably monopolized to maximize profits

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:16:45am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If that was not clear to his supporters, then it is their own fault. And a tragedy for the rest of us…

His supporters probably don’t even care, because as a group they know nothing about how the presidency works. They probably figure the Obamas have policy discussions over the dinner table. If you told them Michelle has no security clearances, cannot sit in on Cabinet meetings or official meetings with foreign potentates, they wouldn’t believe you.

The Trump administration will be such an aberration that every policy, every tradition, every unwritten rule is marked for demolition. Nixon will be a Boy Scout by comparison.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:22:54am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:26:45am

re: #71 Timothy Watson

CLEAN AIR, CRYSTAL CLEAN WATER IS VITALLY IMPORTANT!!! WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT BY REPEALING ALL REGULATIONS!!!!1!!

Yes the Orange Shitgibbon actually said that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:27:47am

re: #70 wheat-dogg

His supporters probably don’t even care, because as a group they know nothing about how the presidency works.

The bulk of his supporters are people who hate politicians and politics as usual. They hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and voted Trump to punish them both.

They will applaud and cheer all of Trump’s efforts to totally wreck every precedent of politics and government.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:28:45am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The bulk of his supporters are people who hate politicians and politics as usual. They hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and voted Trump to punish them both.

They will applaud and cheer all of Trump’s efforts to totally wreck every precedent of politics and government.

So they’re nihilists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:33:28am

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

So they’re nihilists.

I don’t think that most of them are that advanced, just highly resentful, frustrated, alienated and dumb enough to cut off their own nose to spite their face

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:33:37am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are some aspects of the economy that do not function well under an unregulated market: generally, those that involve managing and distributing resources. I see the health of the nation as a national resource, and health care as a means of ensuring it, not a product in itself.

Over the weekend, I found a documentary on George Westinghouse on YouTube. Interesting fellow — gifted engineer and overall a decent person. Anyway, troubled by the safety issues on the nation’s railroads, he figured there had to be a better way to stop a train than have brakemen scamper from car to car applying the brakes by hand. He patented the Westinghouse air brake system, which got its first successful and unscheduled test during a demo run out of Pittsburgh.

The railroads didn’t want it — at first. It took pressure from the public and Congress to compel the railroads to install it on passenger trains. A couple of horrific accidents were very persuasive as well. It took even longer to get the railroads to install it on freight trains.

Looking back to those days, it would have seemed a no-brainer for the railroads to install a system that would save lives and prevent property losses. But it was much cheaper to pay dirt wages to the poor fools working as brakemen, and ignore the occasional catastrophe resulting from manual brake application.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:36:04am

Fuck you NYT for “normalizing” this shitshow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:38:05am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck you NYT for “normalizing” this shitshow.

Postfactuality.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:38:21am

HIGH TREASON!!!1!…oh, it was a Republican, never mind…

A secret U.S. military investigation in 2010 determined that Michael T. Flynn, the retired Army general tapped to serve as national security adviser in the Trump White House, “inappropriately shared” classified information with foreign military officers in Afghanistan, newly released documents show.

Although Flynn lacked authorization to share the classified material, he was not disciplined or reprimanded after the investigation concluded that he did not act “knowingly” and that “there was no actual or potential damage to national security as a result,” according to Army records obtained by The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act.

washingtonpost.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:39:34am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t think that most of them are that advanced, just highly resentful, frustrated, alienated and dumb enough to cut off their own nose to spite their face

Sadly true. They blame a monolithic “Washington” for everything that’s gone wrong in their lives. Blame the politicians, who for years have promised solutions but conveniently forget them once in office. So they got Trump, who promised them solutions and spoke to their inchoate rage. And he’s going to stiff them worse than any politician they’ve ever trusted.

Sucks to be them. Unfortunately, whatever Trump fucks up for those poor sods who voted for him will probably fuck up everyone else, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:41:56am

re: #80 wheat-dogg

Sucks to be them. Unfortunately, whatever Trump fucks up for those poor sods who voted for him will probably fuck up everyone else, too.

And they will be the ones cheering him the loudest…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:43:56am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

The jobs are already there, AFAIK. The trouble is finding Americans who can fill those jobs.

What’s Trump’s plan here? Persuade all those tech companies to start manufacturing their products in the USA? I doubt it’s going to happen. If he threatens Apple with penalties for manufacturing iPhones in China, Apple will just raise prices on iPhones sold in the USA. They sell more than enough outside the USA to weather any punitive (and illegal) penalties Trump could threaten them with.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:44:12am

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

Wolf at the door?
I’m waiting.
With a 12 gauge.

No, Wolf is at the door once again making a total asshole of himself on Celebrity Jeopardy!

Wolf Blitzer’s Epic Fail on Jeopardy

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:45:41am

re: #82 wheat-dogg

The jobs are already there, AFAIK. The trouble is finding Americans who can fill those jobs.

What’s Trump’s plan here? Persuade all those tech companies to start manufacturing their products in the USA? I doubt it’s going to happen. If he threatens Apple with penalties for manufacturing iPhones in China, Apple will just raise prices on iPhones sold in the USA. They sell more than enough outside the USA to weather any punitive (and illegal) penalties Trump could threaten them with.

Well, he appointed a Labor Secretary whose goal is to eliminate human employees from fast food franchises.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:54:07am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Well, he appointed a Labor Secretary whose goal is to eliminate human employees from fast food franchises.

he is just threatening them with that so that they will stop whining about making a living wage.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:56:41am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Well, he appointed a Labor Secretary whose goal is to eliminate human employees from fast food franchises.

I wonder if Trump’s supporters even noticed Trump was already selling them out with this choice of a Labor Secretary.

BTW, there’s a biopic about Ray Kroc starring Michael Keaton due out soon. It looks good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:58:18am

re: #86 wheat-dogg

I wonder if Trump’s supporters even noticed Trump was already selling them out with this choice of a Labor Secretary.

BTW, there’s a biopic about Ray Kroc starring Michael Keaton due out soon. It looks good.

Trumporrhoids just love the Carl’s Jr. commercials with hot sexy wimmens being all sexy while eating a burger.

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jeffreyw  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:59:14am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:00:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:00:39am

re: #88 jeffreyw

total MC Escher

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:02:34am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Trumporrhoids just love the Carl’s Jr. commercials with hot sexy wimmens being all sexy while eating a burger.

Teaching a robot to flip a burger is easy. Teaching one to buy and eat a burger is hard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:03:21am

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Teaching a robot to flip a burger is easy. Teaching one to buy and eat a burger is hard.

Teaching someone to build and maintain a robot in working order is WAY HARD.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:03:47am

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Teaching a robot to flip a burger is easy. Teaching one to buy and eat a burger is hard.

Having an all automated burger restaurant will be easy once they get rid of those lame regulations giving restaurants “A” “B” and “C” scores.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:04:41am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Having an all automated burger restaurant will be easy once they get rid of those lame regulations giving restaurants “A” “B” and “C” scores.

Not important if all your customers are robots.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:05:05am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Not important if all your customers are robots.

or all dead of food poisoning

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:05:09am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Teaching someone to build and maintain a robot in working order is WAY HARD.

Meh just import MOAR ENGINEERS from India.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:06:02am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or all dead of food poisoning

Useful if all your undertakers are robots.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:09:32am

The last human gets to be a trillionaire.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:10:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:10:32am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

The last human gets to be a trillionaire.

Trump plans that it will be him.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:11:28am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Trump plans that it will be him.

I Am Legend.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:11:55am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Trump plans that it will be him.

He’s a credit to his species.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:15:21am

re: #71 Timothy Watson

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I haven’t heard of that before, though I did read a steampunk novel set in the 19th Century that included an event which must have been based on this fog.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:18:44am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Meh just import MOAR ENGINEERS from India.

The free market dictates that the jobs go to the lowest bidders…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:19:30am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

The last human gets to be a trillionaire.

Here is the plan: we lend him all our money, and he uses it to buy everything we own and then lease it back to us…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:19:56am

These fuckers are gloating that they built this==>

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:20:53am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Here is the plan: we lend him all our money, and he uses it to buy everything we own and then lease it back to us…

Then he declares bankruptcy and stiffs us.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:21:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:21:26am

re: #107 Big Beautiful Door

Then he declares bankruptcy and stiffs us.

(you were not supposed to give away that part of the plan)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:22:41am

re: #108 Dave In Austin

Congress should not confirm any of America should not have elected Donald Trump until he released his tax returns and conflict-of-interest issues were resolved.

Too late now

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:26:37am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

These fuckers are gloating that they built this==>

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Their next job is to get Tillerson approved by the Senate.

Not sarc

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:27:09am

re: #111 Sir John Barron

Their next job is to get Tillerson approved by the Senate.

Not sarc

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:28:41am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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Let me guess, Exxon is or has been a client of his.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:29:37am

This question needs to be asked over and over and over….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:32:26am

re: #114 Dave In Austin

This question needs to be asked over and over and over….

“Are you going to sell off MY public lands to the highest bidder??”

And you will get the answer: “No, of course not!”

And then they will sell them off to the biggest donor….

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:34:26am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

James Baker says he’s “not worried” about Tillerson’s relationship with Putin cbsnews.com pic.twitter.com

— CBS News

By itself that relationship might not be a problem. But combined with Russian ratf*cking in our election on behalf of the eventual winning candidate who nominated this guy, and combined with the existence of sanctions against Putin, which Tillinger lobbied against (on behalf of his company but still), combined with Russian actions in Syria, combined with Trump’s rather bizarre complete non-criticalness of Putin, combined with….

This is the problem. And of some importance, why Tillinger at all? There aren’t more public-minded Republican statesmen with diplomatic experience who could fill the job of SoS?

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:35:01am

Yeah, we all remember well when the GOP promised again and again that if they won Congress in 2011, their priority was gonna be “jobs.” Then they got elected and suddenly “jobs” were gonna be created by implementing all the shit they couldn’t get passed before. Suddenly “jobs” would be created through repealing the ACA, they’d be created by passing tax cuts, through deregulation, through more foreign adventurism, etc, etc. But when the President put forward a bill that the CBO estimated would create over a million jobs, the GOP tossed it in a drawer because (they promised) they’d create a better bill that would create even more “jobs” without raising taxes or spending more money.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:35:50am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Yeah, we all remember well when the GOP promised again and again that if they won Congress in 2011, their priority was gonna be “jobs.” Then they got elected and suddenly “jobs” were gonna be created by implementing all the shit they couldn’t get passed before. Suddenly “jobs” would be created through repealing the ACA, they’d be created by passing tax cuts, through deregulation, through more foreign adventurism, etc, etc. But when the President put forward a bill that the CBO estimated would create over a million jobs, the GOP tossed it in a drawer because (they promised) they’d create a better bill that would create even more “jobs” without raising taxes or spending more money.

They’ll vote to repeal Obamacare and call that a “jobs bill”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:37:30am

re: #118 Sir John Barron

They’ll vote to repeal Obamacare and call that a “jobs bill”.

“All that money that was spent on regulations will go to job creation! They’ll have jobs coming out of their ears! The millions of jobs Obamacare was destroying will come back! You’ll see!!!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:38:12am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Yeah, we all remember well when the GOP promised again and again that if they won Congress in 2011, their priority was gonna be “jobs.” Then they got elected and suddenly “jobs” were gonna be created by implementing all the shit they couldn’t get passed before. Suddenly “jobs” would be created through repealing the ACA, they’d be created by passing tax cuts, through deregulation, through more foreign adventurism, etc, etc. But when the President put forward a bill that the CBO estimated would create over a million jobs, the GOP tossed it in a drawer because (they promised) they’d create a better bill that would create even more “jobs” without raising taxes or spending more money.

All the GOP proposals are about tax cuts for the super rich, which they call “creating jobs” in spite of decades of tax cuts not creating any jobs. And still the stupid rubes suck it up.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:40:29am

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

All the GOP proposals are about tax cuts for the super rich, which they call “creating jobs” in spite of decades of tax cuts not creating any jobs. And still the stupid rubes suck it up.

“My niece’s cousin’s son’s former roommate got a better job! He’d been searching for years and suddenly he got this great job! Thanks Trump!!!”

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:41:34am

re: #111 Sir John Barron

Ben Carson will be the official sacrificial lamb of the upcoming Trump administration. After Senator Schumer and Senator McCain fall over each other trying to undermine his nomination, Trump will withdraw him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:42:12am

re: #121 Targetpractice

“My niece’s cousin’s son’s former roommate got a better job! He’d been searching for years and suddenly he got this great job! Thanks Trump!!!”

Carrier pigeonbrains

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:42:57am

re: #122 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Ben Carson will be the official sacrificial lamb of the upcoming Trump administration. After Senator Schumer and Senator McCain fall over each other trying to undermine his nomination, Trump will withdraw him.

a victim of racial discrimination and Plantation mentality…

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:43:11am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I take it as given that the GOP will hold or gain seats in the off year…

Sorry, but I fear that news has to get a LOT worse before it can start to get any better.

Yeah unfortunately I think the outlook for the moment is rather bleak, given the Senate seats Dems will have to defend in 2018. Add to that the problems with redistricting which has added more safe House seats to the R’s.

However.

Trump hasn’t really made any decisions affecting real people yet. And he hasn’t delt with any crises. Congressional R’s have talked, but have not yet overreached.

While some faultlines are revealing themselves now (Russia, cronyism, wingnutty appointments) we don’t yet know what situations will arise, what kinds of issues will emerge to cause the Trump team problems, which Dems can exploit. And Trump doesn’t have much public good will to rely on. But it might take a few years for Dems to gather themselves and formulate an effective response, as situations develop.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:43:40am

re: #121 Targetpractice

“My niece’s cousin’s son’s former roommate got a better job! He’d been searching for years and suddenly he got this great job making $6,983.27/week! Thanks Trump!!!”

All these “work from home” spam ads use a weirdly specific number.

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jhncsy  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:43:49am

re: #30 William Lewis

He does what you want and the union shatters, completely and irreparably, into 5 pissant little nations. Boom, Russia and China get to fight for the spoils. Thats why he’s not triggering ACW2.

Better China than Russia. At least they seem to give a shit about climate change.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:43:53am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump knows how to put the flaming bag of shit in front of the Democrats, and they stomp it out every time.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:45:21am

re: #119 Targetpractice

“All that money that was spent on regulations will go to job creation! They’ll have jobs coming out of their ears! The millions of jobs Obamacare was destroying will come back! You’ll see!!!”

Also, the “real” unemployment rate under Obama now is like 50% so when Trump takes office the “real” unemployment rate will suddenly drop to about 5%.

They’ll call it the Trump Miracle!

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:46:11am

re: #125 Sir John Barron

However.

Trump hasn’t really made any decisions affecting real people yet. And he hasn’t delt with any crises. Congressional R’s have talked, but have not yet overreached.

While some faultlines are revealing themselves now (Russia, cronyism, wingnutty appointments) we don’t yet know what situations will arise, what kinds of issues will emerge to cause the Trump team problems…p.

If we lived in a reality-based reality, that would be good news…but we have passed that point.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:52:32am

re: #30 William Lewis

He does what you want and the union shatters, completely and irreparably, into 5 pissant little nations. Boom, Russia and China get to fight for the spoils. Thats why he’s not triggering ACW2.

The republic has already been shattered.

Whatever these thugs will do will force California and New York (then New England, then Oregon and Washington state) to vote themselves out. They’ll start wars and forced confiscation of land from the First Nations that will be irretrievably disastrous on an international level (just because the US media didn’t give two shits about DAP doesn’t mean that the BBC ignored it, etc.)… and then the First Nations will forcibly declare independence from us.

As the days pass, the less and less I see the concept of a representative republic actually surviving.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:53:05am

re: #116 Sir John Barron

By itself that relationship might not be a problem. But combined with Russian ratf*cking in our election on behalf of the eventual winning candidate who nominated this guy, and combined with the existence of sanctions against Putin, which Tillinger lobbied against (on behalf of his company but still), combined with Russian actions in Syria, combined with Trump’s rather bizarre complete non-criticalness of Putin, combined with….

This is the problem. And of some importance, why Tillinger at all? There aren’t more public-minded Republican statesmen with diplomatic experience who could fill the job of SoS?

Earlier reports suggested that many qualified Republicans declined to work under Trump, and who can blame them? Trump’s filling his cabinet with all the people who have no qualms working with a narcissistic control freak whose administration has scared away any halfway sane candidates.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:54:13am

Darthstar WTF do not mess with @eclecticbrotha he will pound you to a paste.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:55:23am

re: #132 wheat-dogg

Earlier reports suggested that many qualified Republicans declined to work under Trump, and who can blame them? Trump’s filling his cabinet with all the people who have no qualms working with a narcissistic control freak whose administration has scared away any halfway sane candidates.

There are people in the government whom Trump really cannot fire, even as President. He will grow frustrated at trying to work with them and they will return the favor by confounding him at every step of implementing his plans.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:55:49am

re: #125 Sir John Barron

While some faultlines are revealing themselves now (Russia, cronyism, wingnutty appointments) we don’t yet know what situations will arise, what kinds of issues will emerge to cause the Trump team problems, which Dems can exploit. And Trump doesn’t have much public good will to rely on. But it might take a few years for Dems to gather themselves and formulate an effective response, as situations develop.

I am actually surprisingly hopeful for the Democrats, politically speaking…a LOT less so for the nation and world. The President-ELECT, one month out from even taking office has caused China to react to his tweets by flying a nuclear-capable bomber out over the China Sea…

…I doubt Taiwan was amused by that event, or the President-elect announcing their sovereignty would suddenly be used as a bargaining chip for…deals, of undetermined nature, and that, as I recall, much of this series of events occurred OVER TWITTER.

And that’s just shit dealing with China and Taiwan…from less than an entire week.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:57:06am

re: #45 Romantic Heretic

Trump’s reply is that patented smirk of his.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:58:09am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people in the government whom Trump really cannot fire, even as President. He will grow frustrated at trying to work with them and they will return the favor by confounding him at every step of implementing his plans.

Yeah, civil service jobs are pretty much immune to partisan attacks, by design. “Bureaucratic delays” may postpone indefinitely many of Trump’s EOs. The DoE’s refusal to cooperate with that survey and name list is just the beginning.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:59:28am

re: #136 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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Hey now, Rigel could be an ass, but it’s an insult to compare him to Trump!

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Jenner7  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:00:24am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

Yup.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:00:42am

re: #138 Timothy Watson

Hey now, Rigel could be an ass, but it’s an insult to compare him to Trump!

Rigel actually HAD money, as I recall…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:01:21am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people in the government whom Trump really cannot fire, even as President. He will grow frustrated at trying to work with them and they will return the favor by confounding him at every step of implementing his plans.

I am sure that Trump and his goons are going to respect civil service protections.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:02:17am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

I dunno Babushka, to get pounded, you have to be affected by arguments. Darth seems impervious on this issue.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:03:14am

re: #135 Jayleia

I am actually surprisingly hopeful for the Democrats, politically speaking…a LOT less so for the nation and world. The President-ELECT, one month out from even taking office has caused China to react to his tweets by flying a nuclear-capable bomber out over the China Sea…

…I doubt Taiwan was amused by that event, or the President-elect announcing their sovereignty would suddenly be used as a bargaining chip for…deals, of undetermined nature, and that, as I recall, much of this series of events occurred OVER TWITTER.

And that’s just shit dealing with China and Taiwan…from less than an entire week.

Yup, he pissed off both Beijing and Taipei. Great start!

If he continues to use Twitter as his personal bully pulpit, our foreign policy is going down the tubes. Career diplomats are going to spend all their time putting out the brushfires Trump ignites from his mobile phone.

Obama used to be a Blackberry addict before he took office, but had to give it up as a matter of of national security. What’s going to happen when security people tell Trump that he has to give up his daily Twitter habit beginning Jan. 20th?

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Jenner7  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:03:26am

So Darth doesn’t believe Russia hacking had any impact on election?

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:04:49am

re: #144 Jenner7

So Darth doesn’t believe Russia hacking had any impact on election?

I suspect his argument is the same as a lot of other people: If Clinton had been a stronger - ie more populist - candidate, than she could have overcome the interference.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:07:21am

re: #145 Belafon

I suspect his argument is the same as a lot of other people: If Clinton had been a stronger - ie more populist - candidate, than she could have overcome the interference.

Simpler than that: He’s still bitter over Bernie losing and remains convinced that he could have won the election.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:08:02am

re: #145 Belafon

I suspect his argument is the same as a lot of other people: If Clinton had been a stronger - ie more populist - candidate, than she could have overcome the interference.

Except that SHE WON OVERWHELMINGLY, but lost because she didn’t win enough Bumfuck Counties.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:08:54am

re: #88 jeffreyw

Escher Live!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:03am

re: #145 Belafon

I suspect his argument is the same as a lot of other people: If Clinton had been a stronger - ie more populist - candidate, than she could have overcome the interference.

“populist” here in the sense of “appealing to bumf*ck country voters”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:28am

re: #148 sagehen

Escher Live!!

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that’s the one I was looking for

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:32am

re: #147 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Except that SHE WON OVERWHELMINGLY, but lost because she didn’t win enough Bumfuck Counties.

Not to throw recriminations around but apathetic and overconfident Democrats didn’t help.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:34am

re: #147 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Bumfuck Counties.

That.

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Jenner7  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:35am

re: #145 Belafon

The truth of the matter is that she wouldn’t have won even if she was better (in the eyes of Berniebros). She had Russia interference, fake news, media, white racists, and white progressives throwing a tantrum.

She was the better candidate. She spoke of the issues and didn’t coddle to racists. But nobody paid attention.

We didn’t deserve Obama and we don’t deserve Hillary now.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:13:23am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

That clusterfuck is one reason why I’m “hopeful” for the Dems in 2018, if THAT shit keeps up (and there’s no reason to assume it won’t), there will be hell to pay.

So the Dems may take House and Senate in 2018 by hanging Trump’s way-too-long tie around the neck of every R that runs…to try to clean up Trump’s mess…which we will inevitably be blamed for, because we can’t ever have nice things.

And again, if Trump managed all that shit over Twitter, in one week, just with China and Taiwan, there will be a LOT of mess to blame on Trump.

EDIT: Assuming we’re not desperately trying to fight off Radscorpions by then…

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Jenner7  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:13:59am

And all Bernie did/does is placate to racist Trump voters. His town hall was a fucking joke.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:15:56am

re: #151 Timothy Watson

Not to throw recriminations around but apathetic and overconfident Democrats didn’t help.

Lots of things “didn’t help” even more so, like a media that would rather show an empty podium waiting for Trump to appear than a speech by Hillary about increasing job opportunities for the handicapped, by an FBI “investigation” at the last minute and by a bunch of hackers somewhere off in Volokolamsk and Petrozavodsk…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:17:43am
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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:17:59am

re: #155 Jenner7

And all Bernie did/does is placate to racist Trump voters. His town hall was a fucking joke.

As far as I’m concerned, Bernie had his chance in the spotlight, and now it’s time for him to shut the hell up and go back to being a do-nothing Senator. If he really wants to be useful, he can try to be an opposition leader, but that would require organization and the willingness to focus on issues besides his pet causes.

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Lidane  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:18:42am

Oh.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:20:57am

re: #159 Lidane

Oh.

Terrorism = anyone who wants Assad out of office.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:22:20am

re: #144 Jenner7

So Darth doesn’t believe Russia hacking had any impact on election?

By this time we know what had an impact on the election. The Democrats nominated Hillary and not Bernie. : )

Oh yeah…morning! Brrrrrrrr… 17° with wind added to make it feel like 11°. I hate wind chill factors to make me feel bad. 17° is bad enough.

And, it isn’t even officially winter yet. Ugh.

Oh well, maybe an early arrival can mean an early spring.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:24:17am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck you NYT for “normalizing” this shitshow.

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But the real Americans don’t want unfulfilling computer jobs I hear

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:24:44am

re: #155 Jenner7

And all Bernie did/does is placate to racist Trump voters. His town hall was a fucking joke.

Honestly, you could have dropped that town hall into any point of this past spring and not been able to tell the difference. Bernie will not accept that the country rejected him, he has to keep believing that he’s somehow uniquely qualified to lead the DNC to the Promised Land. If only we had seen things as he and the Bros see them, that we need to stop worrying about “identity politics” and accepted that the problems of white upper-middle class folks are the problems that matter, we could have won!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:26:46am

re: #131 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The republic has already been shattered.

Whatever these thugs will do will force California and New York (then New England, then Oregon and Washington state) to vote themselves out. They’ll start wars and forced confiscation of land from the First Nations that will be irretrievably disastrous on an international level (just because the US media didn’t give two shits about DAP doesn’t mean that the BBC ignored it, etc.)… and then the First Nations will forcibly declare independence from us.

As the days pass, the less and less I see the concept of a representative republic actually surviving.

This is just silly.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:27:52am

re: #158 wheat-dogg

Bernie has been the opposite of useful for most of the year, and in that clip, he was actively normalizing racism and bigotry. To some people that is ‘failing to parrot tinfoil hat theories’.

I said this a month ago: Hillary lost because she didn’t make Straight White Christian people feel special enough about themselves and their importance to the country. So yes, Bernie trying to placate the only working class that exists (uneducated white males) is a useful strategy.

But it’s not one the DEMS can win on, because then we would be nothing but Republican lite, and why have a lesser version when you can have the full thing AND get to fly the racist flag proudly? Also, you would completely depress political participation by minorities, and lose every race, ever, forevermore.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:31:35am

re: #160 wheat-dogg

Terrorism = anyone who wants Assad out of office.

Perhaps Trump can assist in the slaughter of female and child “terrorists” in Aleppo./

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:34:22am

re: #135 Jayleia

I am actually surprisingly hopeful for the Democrats, politically speaking…a LOT less so for the nation and world. The President-ELECT, one month out from even taking office has caused China to react to his tweets by flying a nuclear-capable bomber out over the China Sea…

…I doubt Taiwan was amused by that event, or the President-elect announcing their sovereignty would suddenly be used as a bargaining chip for…deals, of undetermined nature, and that, as I recall, much of this series of events occurred OVER TWITTER.

And that’s just shit dealing with China and Taiwan…from less than an entire week.

Just wait until China comes a callin’ WRT their stake in our national debt.

Game. Set. Match.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:36:13am

re: #165 Bass Reeves

I never bought into Bernie’s message, because as admirable as some of his ideas were, he had no chance in hell in getting them enacted. I credit him with helping pull Clinton slightly leftward, but he made no real efforts to, y’know, help her win the election. Instead, he was a boat anchor until the very last moment, and by the time he endorsed her, it was too late.

He never had a chance at the nomination. Once he lost it, he should have done the noble thing and immediately pledged his full support behind Hillary AND persuaded his clueless supporters to do the same.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:36:36am

re: #167 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just wait until China comes a callin’ WRT their stake in our national debt.

Game. Set. Match.

They won’t do it directly. But they could go after Trump’s debt to them.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:37:24am

So, browsing through some timelines…

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:38:36am

re: #165 Bass Reeves

Bernie has been the opposite of useful for most of the year, and in that clip, he was actively normalizing racism and bigotry. To some people that is ‘failing to parrot tinfoil hat theories’.

I said this a month ago: Hillary lost because she didn’t make Straight White Christian people feel special enough about themselves and their importance to the country. So yes, Bernie trying to placate the only working class that exists (uneducated white males) is a useful strategy.

But it’s not one the DEMS can win on, because then we would be nothing but Republican lite, and why have a lesser version when you can have the full thing AND get to fly the racist flag proudly? Also, you would completely depress political participation by minorities, and lose every race, ever, forevermore.

Only twice since ‘52 has the DNC won the majority of the white vote: ‘64 & ‘96. In every other election, they’ve lost the white vote, most times by better than 5% of the total vote. So the idea that the future of the party rests in wrestling away more of the white vote from the GOP is ridiculous, especially when the demographic reality is that the white vote accounts for less and less of the overall voter population with each passing generation. What you have with Bernie, with the Bros, is the “progressive” flavor of the white revanchism that fuels the Trumpers. It’s a belief that the party has spent too much time worrying over helping minorities and not enough time helping out white liberals, which became evident pretty early in the process when every black voter who didn’t buy into the “revolution” got treated as a moron who who was too stupid to know what’s good for him.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:39:12am

re: #164 Big Beautiful Door

This is just silly.

I hear ya but up is down and down is up right now. something WILL burn eventually.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:39:42am

re: #170 Jayleia

So, browsing through some timelines…

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Yeah, I can’t imagine why he’s chosen not to come back…

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:42:56am

re: #163 Targetpractice

Honestly, you could have dropped that town hall into any point of this past spring and not been able to tell the difference. Bernie will not accept that the country rejected him, he has to keep believing that he’s somehow uniquely qualified to lead the DNC to the Promised Land. If only we had seen things as he and the Bros see them, that we need to stop worrying about “identity politics” and accepted that the problems of white upper-middle class folks are the problems that matter, we could have won!

Heh. I didn’t catch it all, but earlier this morning I saw a clip of Bernie on Seth Myers and I think Meyers asked him about what the Democrats could do to win the next election or something. Bernie used the word “we” in the reply.

Uh…”we” Bernie??? I don’t think so. Join the party…work with them…and then maybe you can use the word “we.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:43:11am

re: #172 Dave In Austin

I hear ya but up is down and down is up right now. something WILL burn eventually.

To wit, one political party embraces the Evangelical flag, but acts in pure nihilism.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:43:34am

re: #173 Targetpractice

I was already running low on fucks to give about him BEFORE the election…now?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:44:01am

re: #172 Dave In Austin

I hear ya but up is down and down is up right now. something WILL burn eventually.

We cannot agree on an objective view of science, history or even reality.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:45:33am

And now I present to you Louisiana…….

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Lidane  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:47:10am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:48:38am

re: #169 Belafon

They won’t do it directly. But they could go after Trump’s debt to them.

China, Russia, Turkey, the Philippines… he’ll throw up 1,001 distractions to obfuscate, but Trump is already undermined and compromised in ways we can’t even imagine.

Sooner or later, the distractions will run out.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:48:45am

re: #179 Lidane

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“We had a black president! What more do you want!?”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:49:35am

re: #167 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just wait until China comes a callin’ WRT their stake in our national debt.

Game. Set. Match.

China and Japan together hold $2.3 trillion in US Treasury instruments (bills, bonds and notes). Each one has a specific maturity date, and a holder of one cannot demand immediate payment. They are not loans, in the sense that China and Japan offered to lend the USA money and can demand full payment at any time. Instead, they are instruments offered by the USA to anyone who wants to buy them and earn a fixed interest rate during the life of the bill, bond or note. Treasuries are traded on international markets, so ownership of a particular instrument can change hands over its life.

OTOH, if the USA were ever unable to make those interest payments, there would be hell to pay. We came dangerously close when Ted Cruz shut down the government a few years back.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:49:44am

re: #165 Bass Reeves

Bernie has been the opposite of useful for most of the year, and in that clip, he was actively normalizing racism and bigotry. To some people that is ‘failing to parrot tinfoil hat theories’.

I said this a month ago: Hillary lost because she didn’t make Straight White Christian people feel special enough about themselves and their importance to the country. So yes, Bernie trying to placate the only working class that exists (uneducated white males) is a useful strategy.

But it’s not one the DEMS can win on, because then we would be nothing but Republican lite, and why have a lesser version when you can have the full thing AND get to fly the racist flag proudly? Also, you would completely depress political participation by minorities, and lose every race, ever, forevermore.

You do realize a lot of Bernie’s backers think the problem with the Democrats is that we already are Republican lite. So many think the problem was they didn’t pick a far left candidate.

I guess those folks either forgot the 70s and 80s or were too young to see what being extremely liberal did for presidential elections.

Either that, or I am wrong in thinking that a far left candidate would get crushed again. Maybe the lesson needs to be gone over again. Sure I’d love to see a left liberal/progressive get elected, but I guess I am gun shy.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:50:32am

re: #181 Targetpractice

Someone said this to my wife in her college class. Like, out loud, in front of other people. Surprisingly, it was an older white female.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:52:32am

re: #184 Bass Reeves

Surprisingly, it was an older white female.

Not really, they voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

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Lidane  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:53:05am

Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:53:52am

re: #180 Myron Falwell (no relation)

China, Russia, Turkey, the Philippines… he’ll throw up 1,001 distractions to obfuscate, but Trump is already undermined and compromised in ways we can’t even imagine.

Sooner or later, the distractions will run out.

Highly optimistic. We have a great love of shiny things that flash in the sunlight…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:54:16am

re: #182 wheat-dogg

China and Japan together hold $2.3 trillion in US Treasury instruments (bills, bonds and notes). Each one has a specific maturity date, and a holder of one cannot demand immediate payment. They are not loans, in the sense that China and Japan offered to lend the USA money and can demand full payment at any time. Instead, they are instruments offered by the USA to anyone who wants to buy them and earn a fixed interest rate during the life of the bill, bond or note. Treasuries are traded on international markets, so ownership of a particular instrument can change hands over its life.

OTOH, if the USA were ever unable to make those interest payments, there would be hell to pay. We came dangerously close when Ted Cruz shut down the government a few years back.

Which would be an entirely self-inflicted wound, since there is no non-political reason the U.S. would ever not be able to make its interest payments.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:54:58am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Demographic mean that I think you will eventually get a truly left-wing candidate. But I think much of the problem comes from people my age with a lack of history knowledge.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:55:31am

Here’s a thing I did not know till just now. You buy Treasury bonds online, for as little as $100. treasurydirect.gov

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:57:29am

While bombs are dropping and innocent Syrians are being killed by the Bashar’s regime, there are assholes who feel the need to show how self-righteous they are…because free-mixing at protests for Aleppo is somehow worse than the wanton slaughter.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:58:05am

re: #183 ObserverArt

You do realize a lot of Bernie’s backers think the problem with the Democrats is that we already are Republican lite. So many think the problem was they didn’t pick a far left candidate.

I guess those folks either forgot the 70s and 80s or were too young to see what being extremely liberal did for presidential elections.

Either that, or I am wrong in thinking that a far left candidate would get crushed again. Maybe the lesson needs to be gone over again. Sure I’d love to see a left liberal/progressive get elected, but I guess I am gun shy.

Bernie would have been our McGovern, our Mondale, our far-left candidate who would have gone down to a major loss. Why? Because Bernie’s entire appeal was to a demographic that the GOP already has sown up. He had little to no appeal to any demographic with a skin color darker than a paper bag, which Republicans would have pounced on without fail.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:59:31am

re: #192 Targetpractice

Bernie would have been our McGovern, our Mondale, our far-left candidate who would have gone down to a major loss. Why? Because Bernie’s entire appeal was to a demographic that the GOP already has sown up. He had little to no appeal to any demographic with a skin color darker than a paper bag, which Republicans would have pounced on without fail.

Was it Eichenwald that had the story about all the opposition research the GOP had amassed on Sanders?

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:00:11am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Well sure, we ARE republican lite if their lens is that flawed view of global economic policy they hold, in that we don’t hate corporations as much as they do. Possibly on foreign policy and use of military force in that we don’t think of the military as the first, best, and ONLY tool, but it is still a tool.

We are reversed on really pretty much everything else, from health care, to minimum wage, to the environment, to marijuana, LGBTQ rights, etc. Basically, to think that we needed a far left (or far right) candidate requires a profound mélange of ignorance and self-centeredness…actually, nm. Yeah, that’s our electorate. God Love Em!

re: #185 Timothy Watson

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:00:28am

re: #189 Ziggy_TARDIS

Demographic mean that I think you will eventually get a truly left-wing candidate. But I think much of the problem comes from people my age with a lack of history knowledge.

Hey Ziggy! How are you doing? Haven’t seen you around much. I hope all is well.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:00:43am

re: #190 wheat-dogg

I did not know they were available in $100 increments…but at least for the next four years, I will buy no Treasury securities directly, nor send additional money to the Bureau of Public Debt…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:02:23am

re: #196 Jayleia

I did not know they were available in $100 increments…but at least for the next four years, I will buy no Treasury securities directly, nor send additional money to the Bureau of Public Debt…

Given Trump’s proposal to “renegotiate” the public debt, I wouldn’t put a cent in T-bills.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:03:17am

re: #151 Timothy Watson

Not to throw recriminations around but apathetic and overconfident Democrats didn’t help.

There were many, including myself, who bought into the idea that Trump didn’t really have a campaign, didn’t have anyone doing internal polling, data analytics, etc. Some of the NeverTrumpers were among the leading spokesmen of this view, but it was fairly widespread. But this was apparently untrue.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:04:23am

re: #183 ObserverArt

You do realize a lot of Bernie’s backers think the problem with the Democrats is that we already are Republican lite. So many think the problem was they didn’t pick a far left candidate.

I may have the year wrong, but I remember Daily Kos became popular in 2005 with the thought that the Democrat party isn’t far left enough. I think Markos helped them win elections then.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:05:21am

Today’s fake news story that wingnuts are all over. Take a look at the reputable news organizations that are running it…

Former British Ambassador says Russia not behind hacking

These gullible fuckers will buy anything.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:05:54am

re: #195 ObserverArt

I am reconstructing my mental health. So, I have been focusing more on me.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:07:03am

re: #201 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am reconstructing my mental health. So, I have been focusing more on me.

And I wish you strength and success in that endeavor.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:07:11am

re: #200 makeitstop

Today’s fake news story that wingnuts are all over. Take a look at the reputable news organizations that are running it…

Former British Ambassador says Russia not behind hacking

These gullible fuckers will buy anything.

I’ve really considered getting into some serious ratfucking.

Creating a fake news site that direct angers at fellow Republicans to cause as much dysfunction in their ranks as possible.

Also, make money.

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Jayleia  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:07:53am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

I’m still not sure if he really had a campaign in anything resembling the modern sense. He had a number of “convenient” events break for him, at “convenient” times, he probably had more going on behind the scenes than we gave him credit for, but that sort of planning is light-years beyond what he PERSONALLY is capable of.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:18:06am

Former UK Ambassador Craig Murray - friend of Assange, fan of Alex Jones.

I know my surprised face is around here somewhere….

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:27:14am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Highly optimistic. We have a great love of shiny things that flash in the sunlight…

Indeed. It’s why many people won’t realize anything until it’s much too late.

Not that I expect the majority of people who voted for Trump to EVER recognize the severity of their mistake.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:28:19am

So, Tillerson is a bridge too far for Tony Perkins.

NOT because he’s a friend of Putin’s
NOT because he’s only interested in doing oil deals to benefit himself
NOT because he has no diplomatic background
NOT because of any number of reasons to oppose him
Nope—it’s because he turned the Boy Scouts gay.
Sigh.
rawstory.com

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:30:31am

I don’t post “MUST READ!” links.

If any lizard here works in IT, this is one of those no-shit-must-read links:

neveragain.tech

Don’t help the Nazis get their card sorters. Don’t give them their lists.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:33:18am

re: #208 Sherlock Hound

Send that to Facebook, Google, Uber…

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jhncsy  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:34:44am

re: #203 Timothy Watson

If you can, do it.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:37:03am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:37:31am

re: #207 BeachDem

These whackjobs still have a purist mentality, and it shows.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:38:21am

re: #208 Sherlock Hound

I don’t post “MUST READ!” links.

If any lizard here works in IT, this is one of those no-shit-must-read links:

neveragain.tech

Don’t help the Nazis get their card sorters. Don’t give them their lists.

Page worthy. Just sayin.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:40:34am

re: #203 Timothy Watson

I’ve really considered getting into some serious ratfucking.

Creating a fake news site that direct angers at fellow Republicans to cause as much dysfunction in their ranks as possible.

Also, make money.

Why not? No matter how over-the-top you make it out to be, these nuts would believe it. (See, SMOTI.)

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:40:36am

re: #209 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Twitter—OF ALL COMPANIES!—said “No” to tracking Muslims.

No one else.

No other company.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:41:32am

re: #213 Unshaken Defiance

Page worthy. Just sayin.

If I can get another 400 words out of me…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:42:11am

re: #215 Sherlock Hound

Twitter—OF ALL COMPANIES!—said “No” to tracking Muslims.

No one else.

No other company.

Unfortunately, they will always find some bastards who will go along…

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:43:19am

re: #215 Sherlock Hound

My point is that you can already be tracked, because of the information you have already voluntarily placed out there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:44:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:44:54am

Trailer dropped for Christopher Nolan’s new film Dunkirk. Looks good. Really good.

Dunkirk - Trailer 1 [HD]

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:45:27am

re: #182 wheat-dogg

China and Japan together hold $2.3 trillion in US Treasury instruments (bills, bonds and notes). Each one has a specific maturity date, and a holder of one cannot demand immediate payment. They are not loans, in the sense that China and Japan offered to lend the USA money and can demand full payment at any time.

Most T-bills are six months. It’s routine that holders of T-Bills will roll them over every six months, use the proceeds to buy new ones, but twice a year they have the chance to say “nah, not this time, I’d like my cash now okay thx.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:45:48am

re: #219 The Vicious Babushka

Having a higher income may lower your stress levels and even help you live longer, new research suggests

Having an income that allows you to lay your bills and still eat is always a big plus, anecdotal evidence suggests…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:45:53am

re: #208 Sherlock Hound

I don’t post “MUST READ!” links.

If any lizard here works in IT, this is one of those no-shit-must-read links:

neveragain.tech

Don’t help the Nazis get their card sorters. Don’t give them their lists.

I need to finish All the Laws but One: Civil Liberties in Wartime so I can start on IBM and the Holocaust.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:48:09am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Trailer dropped for Christopher Nolan’s new film Dunkirk. Looks good. Really good.

Video

Definite must-see, and get on DVD to add to my Military Classics collection

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:58:20am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Definite must-see, and get on DVD to add to my Military Classics collection

This little tidbit from the production of Dunkirk made me LOL and say, “Oh, shit, that crazy Christopher Nolan!”:

Nolan reconditioned actual warships for the shoot,[21] including the French Navy destroyer Maillé-Brézé,[22] and reportedly spent $5 million of the budget on a vintage aircraft so as to attach it with IMAX cameras before crashing it on-screen.[23] Avoiding the use of CGI, cardboard cut-out props of soldiers and military vehicles were employed to create the illusion of a large army.[19]

en.wikipedia.org

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:12:16am

Something Arizona lizards will get a kick from….

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:16:24am

re: #226 Dave In Austin

For those of us that can’t facebook at work, a summary please.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:17:27am

Does anyone else remember that series about Texas breaking away from the United States because of collaboration between the United States and Russia? Texas broke away because they saw through the ruse that the Soviets were ready to cooperate.

If the author is still alive, it would be great to ask him what he thinks of the current situation.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:24:02am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Trailer dropped for Christopher Nolan’s new film Dunkirk. Looks good. Really good.

[Embedded content]

I heard about that. Need to see it when it comes out. Should be good.

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coin operated  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:24:33am

re: #193 Timothy Watson

Was it Eichenwald that had the story about all the opposition research the GOP had amassed on Sanders?

Don’t know if answered yet, but yes it was Eichenwald. I’ll look for the link…used it a few times to successfully shut a few BernieBros down. It was a really good article…If I recall correctly, they had about a dozen October Surprises lined up and would have torpedoed Sanders (who I believed was the weaker candidate all along) long before November.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:24:44am

Go look at the chart of Putin’s favorability among Republicans: balloon-juice.com.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:27:13am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Having an income that allows you to lay your bills and still eat is always a big plus, anecdotal evidence suggests…

Does the world need CNN?

Discuss.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:28:26am

re: #228 Belafon

Does anyone else remember that series about Texas breaking away from the United States because of collaboration between the United States and Russia? Texas broke away because they saw through the ruse that the Soviets were ready to cooperate.

If the author is still alive, it would be great to ask him what he thinks of the current situation.

He’s probably horrified that his work has effectively become prophetic, just like Mike Judge and Margaret Atwood are no doubt horrified.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:28:33am

re: #232 ObserverArt

Does the world need CNN?

Discuss.

NO.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:28:42am

re: #231 Belafon

Go look at the chart of Putin’s favorability among Republicans: balloon-juice.com.

That is truly frightening.

All those long gone Commie-fighting Rs must be spinning in their graves today.

The word ‘Comrade’ has been getting a workout in my exchanges with Facebook wingnuts.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:29:22am

re: #232 ObserverArt

Does the world need CNN?

Discuss.

What, the network that’s Certainly Not News?

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:30:04am

re: #233 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s probably horrified that his work has effectively become prophetic, just like Mike Judge and Margaret Atwood are no doubt horrified.

Except Texas is going along with it. If he rewrote it, it would have to be California that’s the breakaway Republic.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:30:27am

re: #231 Belafon

Go look at the chart of Putin’s favorability among Republicans: balloon-juice.com.

Went up right around when Trump asked them to hack Clinton.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:31:34am

re: #237 Belafon

Except Texas is going along with it. If he rewrote it, it would have to be California that’s the breakaway Republic.

Indeed. He had the wrong state, but the overall same premise.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:31:39am

Remember they hated the Soviets for communism not that they were authoritarian. There’s a difference.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:34:24am

re: #209 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Send that to Facebook, Google, Uber…

And as a matter of fact: buzzfeed.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:36:16am

re: #230 coin operated

Don’t know if answered yet, but yes it was Eichenwald. I’ll look for the link…used it a few times to successfully shut a few BernieBros down. It was a really good article…If I recall correctly, they had about a dozen October Surprises lined up and would have torpedoed Sanders (who I believed was the weaker candidate all along) long before November.

This one? I have it bookmarked. You know…just in case.

Newsweek - THE MYTHS DEMOCRATS SWALLOWED THAT COST THEM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

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Kafitrar  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:37:35am

Sorry to break in, but there are bills coming before the New Jersey Assembly (A4429) and Senate (S2855) called the “Electronic Publication of Legal Notices Act.” They would allow governments, businesses and individuals to publish legal notices on websites, rather than print them in newspapers. This would cut off a large funding stream from New Jersey newspapers, potentially leading to layoffs. It would also allow changes to be made in legal notices without notification, unlike a printed newspaper posting. No other state allows governments to post legal notices on websites rather than newspapers.

Opponents of the bills say Governor Christie supports these measures as revenge against the print media that have been covering the Bridgegate scandal. They also say that those without internet will be discriminated against, If you live in New Jersey please call your local Senator and Assemblymen to oppose these bills. Also call Senate President Sweeney and Assembly leader Prieto. The legislative session ends Monday Dec. 19.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:39:22am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Went up right around when Trump asked them to hack Clinton.

I guess that fits into the “enemy of my enemy is my friend ” folder.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:44:08am

re: #244 ObserverArt

I guess that fits into the “enemy of my enemy is my friend ” folder.

Yeah. Never heard too much Putin love in the Bush years, in fact just the opposite when South Georgia was invaded.

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coin operated  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:46:45am

re: #242 ObserverArt

That be the one. Thanks…bookmarked again.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:51:01am

re: #246 coin operated

That be the one. Thanks…bookmarked again.

Same here, I get sick of people who act like the DNC is an all-powerful entity.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:51:03am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Never heard too much Putin love in the Bush years, in fact just the opposite when South Georgia was invaded.

Yeah, they literally wanted to go to war over that.

Turns out they have zero principles. Imagine that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:53:17am

re: #248 makeitstop

Yeah, they literally wanted to go to war over that.

Turns out they have zero principles. Imagine that.

McCain certainly did I ‘member.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:54:35am

It’s Politico, but worth reading:
How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:55:58am

re: #219 The Vicious Babushka

Having a higher income may lower your stress levels and even help you live longer, new research suggests cnn.com pic.twitter.com

— CNN

Huge if true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:57:01am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

This little tidbit from the production of Dunkirk made me LOL and say, “Oh, shit, that crazy Christopher Nolan!”:

Avoiding the use of CGI, cardboard cut-out props of soldiers and military vehicles were employed to create the illusion of a large army.

I did not like Fury very much, but I appreciated that it was chiefly live action and minimal CGI

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:59:53am

re: #242 ObserverArt

This one? I have it bookmarked. You know…just in case.

Newsweek - THE MYTHS DEMOCRATS SWALLOWED THAT COST THEM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

It’s a great read.

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plansbandc  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:01:01am

Once R’s control everything, there’s no way they’re going to give up power. I don’t expect to see another Presidential election in my lifetime.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:02:20am

re: #232 ObserverArt

Does the world need CNN?

Discuss.

Does the world need herpes? (Asking for a friend).

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:02:54am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

It’s Politico, but worth reading:
How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

I just hate that none of this stuff was really public during the campaign.

I don’t doubt the validity of reports like this, but now it feels like arm-chair quarterbacking. Whenever a candidate loses there’s always something like this that can be pointed to. All we heard was how great her analytics supposedly were and how great her ground game would be, and there were no counter-takes, no challenges to this narrative when it might have mattered.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:02:55am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

It’s Politico, but worth reading:
How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

Okay, still reading this, but I can tell you right now, if this was true someone wasn’t doing their job in Michigan:

Operatives watched packets of real-time voter information piled up in bins at the coordinated campaign headquarters. The sheets were updated only when they got ripped, or soaked with coffee. Existing packets with notes from the volunteers, including highlighting how much Trump inclination there was among some of the white male union members the Clinton campaign was sure would be with her, were tossed in the garbage.

Canvass data was supposed to be entered by midnight the same day it was collected, at least that was the rule in Virginia.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:05:57am

re: #254 plansbandc

Once R’s control everything, there’s no way they’re going to give up power. I don’t expect to see another Presidential election in my lifetime.

That will only be true if we do nothing. More people voted for Clinton than Trump. There are a number of Republicans that don’t like Trump, and there are Republicans that will balk at suspending elections. And there will be Republicans that will not like what he and the other Republicans attempt to do. The hard part in all of this is getting them organized, which is why we have to start now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:06:03am

re: #242 ObserverArt

This one? I have it bookmarked. You know…just in case.

Newsweek - THE MYTHS DEMOCRATS SWALLOWED THAT COST THEM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

They followed Conventional Wisdom and were confounded by someone who totally violated every political rule in the book and still came out ahead.

Even the GOP expected him to flame out, which was why the other candidates were hesitant to attack him: they wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters. Except DT did not crash and burn, and by the time they made a concerted effort to try and stop him, it was too late.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:08:05am

re: #227 Belafon

News 12 post about Scottsdale being the vainest city in the country…. But we already new that.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:10:35am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did not like Fury very much, but I appreciated that it was chiefly live action and minimal CGI

It’s definitely something I can respect.

And with that, good night, Lizards.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:12:41am

re: #254 plansbandc

Once R’s control everything, there’s no way they’re going to give up power. I don’t expect to see another Presidential election in my lifetime.

The majority of R’s are totally disconnected from reality and are intent on simple and unbridled destruction. Just that everything goes up in flames, regardless of the cost.

I used to accept this garbage. I wish it WAS hyperbole.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:14:11am

re: #263 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The majority of R’s are totally disconnected from reality and are intent on simple and unbridled destruction. Just that everything goes up in flames, regardless of the cost.

I used to accept this garbage. I wish it WAS hyperbole.

Destroying the last vestiges of the New Deal has been a Conservative Wet Dream for decades, and they finally see the chance to do it.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:15:15am

Welp. They just shut off the power to fix a pole outside. Flashback to my threeplus powerless days during the hurricane. Hopefully this one will only be a few hours and my phone won’t crap out.

I suppose I could do something useful but what’s the point.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:15:36am
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:24:49am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Nor did Brooklyn ask for help from some people who’d been expecting the call. Sanders threw himself into campaign appearances for Clinton throughout the fall, but familiar sources say the campaign never asked the Vermont senator’s campaign aides for help thinking through Michigan, Wisconsin or anywhere else where he had run strong. It was already November when the campaign finally reached out to the White House to get President Barack Obama into Michigan, a state that he’d worked hard and won by large margins in 2008 and 2012.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:29:07am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Destroying the last vestiges of the New Deal has been a Conservative Wet Dream for decades, and they finally see the chance to do it.

And they won’t care if they blow up the republic or cause a civil war as a result of their actions. Because they won, so fuck you all, and we can punish with gleeful impunity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:30:56am

re: #269 Myron Falwell (no relation)

And they won’t care if they blow up the republic or cause a civil war as a result of their actions. Because they won, so fuck you all, and we can punish with gleeful impunity.

They are on a Mandate from God…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:31:36am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

It’s a great read.

And, of course, my Stein-supporting Idiot Brother was highly incensed by that article - which was on the fucking nose.

But his argument boils down to “Voters have no responsibility to decide the fate of their country. It’s up to the candidates to win them over. If Trump won, it’s not because of the voters. It’s the Democratic Party’s fault”

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:32:31am

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

And, of course, my Stein-supporting Idiot Brother was highly incensed by that article - which was on the fucking nose.

But his argument boils down to “Voters have no responsibility to decide the fate of their country. It’s up to the candidates to win them over. If Trump won, it’s not because of the voters. It’s the Democratic Party’s fault”

“We don’t want to lead. We want to follow.”

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Joe Bacon  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:33:34am

re: #267 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Is anyone surprised?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:33:45am

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

And, of course, my Stein-supporting Idiot Brother was highly incensed by that article - which was on the fucking nose.

But his argument boils down to “Voters have no responsibility to decide the fate of their country. It’s up to the candidates to win them over. If Trump won, it’s not because of the voters. It’s the Democratic Party’s fault”

Yet people like him would have been incensed if Bernie were nominated and lost. I actually hadn’t realized Bernie co sponsored the Texas environmental bill, knew he voted for it but cosponsored? Nope

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:35:22am

Wow. The National does a good, good thing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:35:56am

An unequivocal conflict of interest that will magically become a “non-issue” just like everything else.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:36:06am
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coin operated  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:36:16am

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

And, of course, my Stein-supporting Idiot Brother was highly incensed by that article - which was on the fucking nose.

But his argument boils down to “Voters have no responsibility to decide the fate of their country. It’s up to the candidates to win them over. If Trump won, it’s not because of the voters. It’s the Democratic Party’s fault”

This, right here, is my chief worry. How do we defeat bi-partisan ignorance at this level? And by ignorance I mean people who act stupid on purpose.

I don’t have an answer yet…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:36:25am

I do think that there were mistakes made but we do have a problem with many white make voters in both parties who don’t like being told the truth about issues.

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:37:29am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:37:44am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are on a Mandate from God…

Their conceptualization of “God” is not going to help them.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:38:48am
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electrotek  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:39:18am

So what’s a “left wing neoliberal fascist”?

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:39:36am

re: #268 Emptor scriptor Remorse

From the Politco article right?

Why don’t you be straight up and attribute that article instead of sneakingly associating my post about the Newsweek article?

I swear, you always do stuff like this.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:41:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:42:10am

re: #280 gocart mozart

what happened at Sandy Hook has been completely airbrushed, and made it way easier for the nra and the gun folks

Yunno, as an expat, I usually get a tad homesick around the holidays. But I recall hearing about Sandy Hook and realizing that I did not have to worry too much about my kids being safe in school, and felt a lot less homesick.

This year, I just have to read the latest news and I feel better…

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:43:41am

re: #275 makeitstop

Wow. The National does a good, good thing.

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makeitstop…can I ask a favor of you? Some time ago in the last two months or so you posted a picture of a nice hollow body electric guitar you picked up. I think it it may have been a D’Angelico, blonde natural finish in a case. I was trying to explain the look of it to my Friday night jamming buddy. Could you post it again so I can download the image? Also, what year was in made?

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:43:53am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:44:36am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:45:24am

So there’s this story. I honestly hope that it’s not too late.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:46:48am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:47:04am

re: #290 Myron Falwell (no relation)

So there’s this story. I honestly hope that it’s not too late.

It is not too late until everything is burnt down. There are lots of things we can do. Right now, it’s a lot of throwing sand in gears and bananas in tailpipes type stuff, but running for office is a very good thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:47:27am

re: #290 Myron Falwell (no relation)

So there’s this story. I honestly hope that it’s not too late.

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Good. Maybe that will shut those old crones who do nothing but whine about us up.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:48:28am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Good. Maybe that will shut those old crones who do nothing but whine about us up.

I wouldn’t worry about them, they’ll complain about too many inexperienced youth running for office. This is what needs to happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:49:36am

re: #292 Belafon

It is not too late until everything is burnt down. There are lots of things we can do. Right now, it’s a lot of throwing sand in gears and bananas in tailpipes type stuff, but running for office is a very good thing.

Get galvanized. And pull no punches.They will show no mercy.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:49:54am

re: #287 ObserverArt

makeitstop…can I ask a favor of you? Some time ago in the last two months or so you posted a picture of a nice hollow body electric guitar you picked up. I think it it may have been a D’Angelico, blonde natural finish in a case. I was trying to explain the look of it to my Friday night jamming buddy. Could you post it again so I can download the image? Also, what year was in made?

Sure thing! It’s a ‘97 DeArmond, made by Guild before Fender bought Guild and re-branded the DeArmond stuff as Squier.

I’ve since replaced that ‘harp’ tailpiece with a genuine Bigsby trem.

DeArmond X-155
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:50:09am

re: #278 coin operated

Stop calling the electorate stupid to start.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:50:17am

Because nothing says “winning in a landslide” more than threatening electors if they should change their minds.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:51:11am

re: #294 Belafon

I wouldn’t worry about them, they’ll complain about too many inexperienced youth running for office. This is what needs to happen.

We need inexperienced youth. With some work they will become experienced!

All the power to them…I hope there are plenty out there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:51:15am

re: #278 coin operated

This, right here, is my chief worry. How do we defeat bi-partisan ignorance at this level? And by ignorance I mean people who act stupid on purpose.

I don’t have an answer yet…

The thing is, he doesn’t even seem to understand how his stand denies the core point of self-government.

In a democracy, the authority to govern rests with THE PEOPLE. That means that, any way you slice it, THE PEOPLE are responsible for the government. Political parties are just groups of people who band together because there is strength in numbers, and yes, they have a responsibility to do as good a job as they can in convincing people to vote for their candidates. But in the end, it’s the responsibility of the people to choose their government. If they choose poorly, it may be that the better candidate made the worse argument, but that doesn’t absolve the voters of the responsibility for their votes.

His response to that argument? He posts a laughing emoji. That’s why I call him my Idiot Brother.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:52:28am

re: #297 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Stop calling the electorate stupid to start.

What, you want us to lie?

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wrenchwench  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:52:55am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:53:03am

re: #291 Timothy Watson

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:53:44am

If Obama’s going to make a move regarding the Russian hacking, he’d better do it damn quick before the push to disgrace him starts. To wit:

Sweet fucking Christ in a goddamn blender.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:53:49am

re: #296 makeitstop

Sure thing! It’s a ‘97 DeArmond, made by Guild before Fender bought Guild and re-branded the DeArmond stuff as Squier.

[Embedded content]

Ahhh. That’s it! Now I know why we were searching all over for it. I remember that bridge design and couldn’t find anything like it. The name threw me off.

I will be doing some researching on it and the company this evening.

How do you like it so far?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:53:59am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

Stop calling the electorate stupid to start.

What, you want us to lie?

Just not out loud

I have never uttered my opinion about my ex to her directly since we separated some 8 1/2 years ago…

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:55:21am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

I can go to right wing websites and hear the same thing about the left. Yawn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:55:41am

re: #144 Jenner7

So Darth doesn’t believe Russia hacking had any impact on election?

He said on twitter yesterday that it’s a tinfoil hat conspiracy.
He said it more than once.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:57:28am

re: #305 ObserverArt

Ahhh. That’s it! Now I know why we were searching all over for it. I remember that bridge design and couldn’t find anything like it. The name threw me off.

I will be doing some researching on it and the company this evening.

How do you like it so far?

It’s great. The size is something - the lower bout is 17” wide, bigger than my Martin acoustic. I joke to my friends that if playing a Tele is like driving a Corvette, playing that thing is like driving a ‘60 Lincoln.

The pickups are under-powered compared to what I’m used to, but it really deliver some sweet jazz tones. And if I push it a little, I can do some really cool controlled-feedback tricks. :)

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:57:34am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did the Russians impact the casting of the ballots or the tallying of the ballots?

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wrenchwench  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:58:01am

re: #307 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I can go to right wing websites and hear the same thing about the left. Yawn.

coin op said the behavior was stupid, the people were ignorant.

Where do you fall on that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:58:41am

re: #307 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I can go to right wing websites and hear the same thing about the left. Yawn.

I guess I’d say that the side that rejects empirical observation, testing, and reason as the way to determine what is and isn’t true pretty much qualifies as ignorant, if not downright stupid.

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:59:01am

How is it possible that you can be an avid world traveler and preach about the values of travelling outside of your comfort zone…but still rant and rail against globalization?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:59:04am

re: #310 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Did the Russians impact the casting of the ballots or the tallying of the ballots?

The Republicans did that with their voter suppression tactics.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:59:09am

re: #311 wrenchwench

I don’t know who coin op is, but if you alienate a large percentage of the voters, you won’t win.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 14, 2016 • 10:59:30am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

I was asking about the Russians.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:00:46am

re: #316 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I was asking about the Russians.

No, you asked about the casting of ballots.

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wrenchwench  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:01:24am

re: #315 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I don’t know who coin op is, but if you alienate a large percentage of the voters, you won’t win.

In your 297, you replied to coin operated. Sorry for being so confusing by shortening it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:01:38am

re: #315 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I don’t know who coin op is, but if you alienate a large percentage of the voters, you won’t win.

But, in fact, the candidate who alienated the most voters won.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:01:39am

re: #257 Timothy Watson

I’m really surprised that all of this analysis disregards the dissolution of the VRA and the constant efforts at voter suppression. It’s like people are invested in a narrative that her opponent ran a campaign on anything other than racism, bigotry, islamophobia, and she just needed moar organization!! to beat him.

re: #315 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I don’t know who coin op is, but if you alienate a large percentage of the voters straight white men, you won’t win.

Fixed that one for you. Apparently you can tell minorities and women to go take a flying fuck and do whatever.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:02:10am

re: #304 makeitstop

If Obama’s going to make a move regarding the Russian hacking, he’d better do it damn quick before the push to disgrace him starts. To wit:

Sweet fucking Christ in a goddamn blender.

I certainly hope that President Obama saw this coming. His best interests are to become as visible as possible to combat all this bullshit.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:04:56am

re: #304 makeitstop

What’s in the picture?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:07:04am

re: #322 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

Joe Arpiro is going to push the Birther bullshit again and called a press conference to do so.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:07:13am

re: #322 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

Sheriff Joe & his “Cold Case Posse” will reveal the results of their “investigation” into Obama’s Birth Certificate.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:07:28am

re: #323 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Joe Arpiro is going to push the Birther bullshit again and called a press conference to do so.

did he get voted out as sheriff?

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:07:56am

re: #310 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Did the Russians impact the casting of the ballots or the tallying of the ballots?

Won’t know until truly investigated

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:08:03am

re: #320 Bass Reeves

I’m really surprised that all of this analysis disregards the dissolution of the VRA and the constant efforts at voter suppression. It’s like people are invested in a narrative that her opponent ran a campaign on anything other than racism, bigotry, islamophobia, and she just needed moar organization!! to beat him.

Fixed that one for you. Apparently you can tell minorities and women to go take a flying fuck and do whatever.

There are a large number of factors in this election, each of which did its own damage and cost HRC an undeterminable number of votes. Remove any two, and we’re all having a conversation about how Clinton and the barely Democratic Senate will deal with the GOP House.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:08:36am

re: #322 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

An announcement from Arpaio that he and his ‘lead investigator’ are holding a presser to give update on the birth certificate investigation. Fuckers.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:11:34am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:11:40am

re: #325 Sir John Barron

did he get voted out as sheriff?

He did. Not that it’s stopping him. It’s all about spreading the false narrative that the Fox fuckers will eat up, no questions asked.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:11:55am

re: #319 Blind Frog Belly White

But, in fact, the candidate who alienated the most voters won.

It’s also worth noting that the folks he(she?) is talking about alienating carry resentment out of proportion to their injuries.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:13:05am

Is she paying her own expenses for the experience of performing for free?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:13:16am

re: #320 Bass Reeves

I’m really surprised that all of this analysis disregards the dissolution of the VRA and the constant efforts at voter suppression. It’s like people are invested in a narrative that her opponent ran a campaign on anything other than racism, bigotry, islamophobia, and she just needed moar organization!! to beat him.

Well, it’s Politico who wrote the story and they love their process/inside baseball stuff instead of writing about policy.

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wrenchwench  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:13:56am

re: #331 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s also worth noting that the folks he(she?) is talking about alienating carry resentment out of proportion to their injuries.

Takes one to know one?

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:16:18am

Dunkirk Trailer has been released

Dunkirk - Trailer 1 [HD]

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:16:50am

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

Naw. There are many varied factors for which people would not vote Clinton, some valid, most really not. There is one reason to vote for Trump: Xenophobia and Fascism are not deal breakers for you.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:17:23am

re: #323 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Joe Arpiro is going to push the Birther bullshit again and called a press conference to do so.

This isn’t worth our time, other than a great metric to use to find out who’s truly over the edge and not worth talking to.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:17:25am

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

Is she paying her own expenses for the experience of performing for free?

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In a few months Trump will be dating her.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:17:53am

Just an impression of mine, in hindsight, but:

—Trump was playing with house money. Was willing to do, say anything. Didn’t really care about winning. Wanted to win. But wanted to do it his way. Didn’t have anything to lose.

—Hillary was afraid to lose (this is where the email stuff and the DNC hack and everything else probably hurt her). Rarely let loose. Played by old rules of what was OK to say, how it was OK to act. We’re only a few years removed from the Dean Scream, George Allen’s Maccaca moment, Romney’s 47% and other singular gaffs that have doomed other campaigns. Those rules suddenly don’t apply anymore.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:18:20am

re: #339 I Would Prefer Not To

In a few months Trump will be dating her.

She’s not a 10.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:18:44am

re: #310 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Did the Russians impact the casting of the ballots or the tallying of the ballots?

You are being spectacularly obvious in misrepresenting things today.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:18:57am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

She’s not a 10.

Nope, but she is a 16.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:19:37am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

She’s not a 10.

Either is Melania

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:20:14am

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

But his argument boils down to “Voters have no responsibility to decide the fate of their country. It’s up to the candidates to win them over. If Trump won, it’s not because of the voters. It’s the Democratic Party’s fault”

So democracy is a spectator sport. If enough people have no interest in participating in the governance of their nation… it’s not their goddamn special snowflake fault nobody pandered enough in exactly the right way. The world owes them a government.

Franklin wept.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:20:18am

re: #343 Belafon

Nope, but she is a 16.

Is he also getting those little girls who did the very lame song and dance TTTO “Over There”? The ones he stiffed?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:20:57am

re: #340 Sir John Barron

Just an impression of mine, in hindsight, but:

—Trump was playing with house money. Was willing to do, say anything. Didn’t really care about winning. Wanted to win. But wanted to do it his way. Didn’t have anything to lose.

—Hillary was afraid to lose (this is where the email stuff and the DNC hack and everything else probably hurt her). Rarely let loose. Played by old rules of what was OK to say, how it was OK to act. We’re only a few years removed from the Dean Scream, George Allen’s Maccaca moment, Romney’s 47% and other singular gaffs that have doomed other campaigns. Those rules suddenly don’t apply anymore.

Or the rules do still apply in some ways, but what candidates say openly is treated more kindly or dismissively than what is said in secret. Consider Hillary’s “deplorables” expression in a private meeting of contributors to Trump’s very public statement of how his not paying taxes was “smart”. Trump was so obnoxious towards the “right” targets there wasn’t much of a sense that he was “hiding” anything.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:21:55am

re: #340 Sir John Barron

Not exactly true. Those rules applied to her consistently throughout the campaign. She was being told how, when, and how much to smile. Her clothes were being analyzed (how much did that jacket cost?). A couple of lizards were commenting on her voice iirc. Remember Dr. Drew talking about her health (man I hate that guy)?

All of the rules applied to her, because they ONLY apply to the Democrats. The rules that apply to both side equally only apply to Women or POC. That’s been the game forever.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:24:10am

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

Is she paying her own expenses for the experience of performing for free?

[Embedded content]

She should hire a bodyguard in case the new prez is feeling grabby.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:25:09am

re: #304 makeitstop

If Obama’s going to make a move regarding the Russian hacking, he’d better do it damn quick before the push to disgrace him starts. To wit:

Sweet fucking Christ in a goddamn blender.

Why do you think they are doing it? Discredit the discreditor!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:26:25am

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

Is she paying her own expenses for the experience of performing for free?

Trump will offer to pay her expenses and then stiff her…in more than one sense.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:27:32am

re: #348 Bass Reeves

Not exactly true. Those rules applied to her consistently throughout the campaign. She was being told how, when, and how much to smile. Her clothes were being analyzed (how much did that jacket cost?). A couple of lizards were commenting on her voice iirc. Remember Dr. Drew talking about her health (man I hate that guy)?

All of the rules applied to her, because they ONLY apply to the Democrats. The rules that apply to both side equally only apply to Women or POC. That’s been the game forever.

Exactly. The deplorables comment was blown up all the while his supporters chanted about jailing her and calling her a bitch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:33:16am

re: #337 Bass Reeves

Naw. There are many varied factors for which people would not vote Clinton, some valid, most really not. There is one reason to vote for Trump: Xenophobia and Fascism are not deal breakers for you.

It’s important to remember that the actual margin boils down to about 80,000 votes in 3 states - MI, WI, and PA. Many of the factors that played into it are minor, enthusiasm-dampening things, like the Wikileaks drip, drip, drip from Podesta/DNC, or Sanders’ pissy attitude after losing the primary, or HRC’s fainting in public on 9/11.

Biggest one is probably Comey, though. I think that is a case where a single event, or pair of events, might have turned it. Dems said they saw an immediate effect in all their polls, driving down enthusiasm for HRC, accompanied by an uptick in enthusiasm for Trump and another after the second letter cleared her - anger that she ‘got away with it’.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:36:09am

re: #310 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Did the Russians impact the casting of the ballots or the tallying of the ballots?

No need to. They have useful idiots that buy into stupid crap posted on wingnut web sites that do all the shade covering for them. Some of them then go about doing the shadow thing on site like this as excusers. Makes it easy for them.

I think that is what “influencing” means. It doesn’t have to be hands on. I’d suggest you look into all that, but I have a feeling you don’t really care.

Mother Russia thanks you, comrade!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:39:38am

re: #200 makeitstop

That former British Ambassador is a regualr guest on Alex Jones’s InfoWars….

‘nuff said.

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coin operated  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:42:06am

re: #307 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I can go to right wing websites and hear the same thing about the left. Yawn.

You did see where I used the term bi-partisan, didn’t you?
Your comment perfectly explains *why* I used that term.
Stupid on purpose….

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 11:56:26am
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:00:49pm

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Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
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