Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:
The Threshold of Hell: Trump is the Grinch; White House says Trump knew about Russian hacking; Kellyanne Conway exploiting gullible Trumpers; Putin supervised hacked emails; Celebrity Electoral College video; Trump is historically unopopular; and more.
NBC News sources: Obama WH thought Clinton would win, didn’t want to risk cyber war w/Russia https://t.co/nvYyD1zkHq https://t.co/25IYOKdcvX
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) December 15, 2016
@Olivianuzzi things that more accurately resemble an actual martini: pic.twitter.com/fKDHjbRte4
— Lisa Peterson (@lisatweeterson) December 15, 2016
Rep. Peter King Wonders If ‘Rogue’ CIA Officers Are Blaming Russia For Hacking
“People in the intelligence community are using this against the president-elect of the United States, and that is disgraceful.”
re: #3 Skip Intro
Rep. Peter King Wonders If ‘Rogue’ CIA Officers Are Blaming Russia For Hacking
“People in the intelligence community are using this against the president-elect of the United States, and that is disgraceful.”
Again…it’s amazing how fast conservatives can get their lines and soundbites accepted as “Conventional Wisdom” while seemingly barely trying.
re: #3 Skip Intro
Rep. Peter King Wonders If ‘Rogue’ CIA Officers Are Blaming Russia For Hacking
“People in the intelligence community are using this against the president-elect of the United States, and that is disgraceful.”
Was that our collective imagination or do we have video of Trump encouraging Russia to hack Secretary Clinton’s emails? What the hell is King going on about? Trump is disgraceful. His election is horrific.
re: #4 Citizen K
Again…it’s amazing how fast conservatives can get their lines and soundbites accepted as “Conventional Wisdom” while seemingly barely trying.
More amazing to me is the flip from ‘Russia Bad!’ to ‘Russia Good!’ on the part of the Right. Not to mention how giving speeches to Goldman Sachs was a sign of being owned by them, but raiding their upper management to staff the Administration is just fucking dandy.
re: #3 Skip Intro
Rep. Peter King Wonders If ‘Rogue’ CIA Officers Are Blaming Russia For Hacking
“People in the intelligence community are using this against the president-elect of the United States, and that is disgraceful.”
No, shit head, they are doing this to tell the US the election was manipulated by the Russians.
.@RepPeteKing: It’s the job of the intel community to come brief us instead of leaking to press. #KellyFile
— Megyn Kelly (@megynkelly) December 15, 2016
So you, @RepPeteKing, can bury this, you Un-American Fuck? #SelfDeport https://t.co/MQmU3rERqo
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) December 15, 2016
Obama press conference tomorrow will be the biggest event in American history… If he does what it’s looking like. I’d watch.
— David Yankovich (@DavidYankovich) December 15, 2016
No wonder they’ve been leaving me alone.
Our article is updated with lots of details from the search warrant. Check it out: https://t.co/dCDiHPqzRY #nmpol
Oh how I would love to see Peter King gone out of politics.
re: #4 Citizen K
I guess they’ve decided that there was no rogue FBI director working against Hillary Clinton then.
re: #7 Belafon
No, shit head, they are doing this to tell the US the election was manipulated by the Russians.
I don’t think I could hold all those different positions at the same time without my head exploding:
1. The Electoral College was a genius design by the Founders to prevent tyranny, but if the Electors exercise their right to vote their conscience as Hamilton intended, that’s TYRANNY!!!
2. Trump won a landslide in the electoral college, smaller than 45 previous elections.
3. The popular vote doesn’t count. At all. But Trump won the popular vote, if you exclude the millions of illegal votes the Democrats were clever enough to cast without detection, but dumb enough to concentrate in states they were going to win anyway.
4. Clinton meeting with someone who donated to the Clinton Foundation whom she would have met with anyway is CORRUPTION!!!, but Trump appointing one of the few people to give money to HIS foundation is perfectly fine.
And on, and on, and on.
The whole thing has really disillusioned me big time. I mean disappointments happen in politics. I remember 2004 quite well and the midterm losses in 2010 and 2014 were disappointing as well but that’s how it goes. This? This whole thing was something completely different and the way the right just dismisses it because their team benefited is disgusting. And these are the same assholes who want to lecture the left on patriotism and love of country?
CNN is reporting that Trump’s refusal to acknowledge Russia interference has made White House decide orderly transition isn’t main priority
— Elias Itzkovitz (@eliasisquith) December 15, 2016
re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White
More amazing to me is the flip from ‘Russia Bad!’ to ‘Russia Good!’ on the part of the Right. Not to mention how giving speeches to Goldman Sachs was a sign of being owned by them, but raiding their upper management to staff the Administration is just fucking dandy.
I love how there was this interval in which there was smugness about Mitt Romney being “right” about Russia being dangerous…then “Russia Good.”
But the operating axiom is “what we do is okay, no matter what it is.” There’s no fixed standard of veracity, nor of moral action.
“Mom… why does no one talk about 2016?”
Me: Shut up and eat your rations. We go hunting again at sun down.— Unfuckwittable (@MsReyda) December 15, 2016
re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Dealing with Trump he has to be getting frustrated.
When your pres elect doesn’t give af about keeping the union safe, well.
I wouldn’t be mad if Obama said, “I’m staying, suck it, Donald.”
Google review of Trump Grill(e).
Really bad. I got served something entirely different from what I was promised. I got a bill for about a billion dollars. Air inside was totally hot. Everything was covered in Cheeto dust and self-tanner. Rick Perry sat at my table uninvited. It should be out of business soon. Sad!
re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth
CNN is reporting that Trump’s refusal to acknowledge Russia interference has made White House decide orderly transition isn’t main priority
— Elias Itzkovitz (@eliasisquith) December 15, 2016
I am trying to parse the phrase “orderly transition is not our main priority” and all I can think is “HOLY SHIT!” Am I read too much into that, too little, I don’t know.
re: #26 gocart mozart
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I am trying to parse the phrase “orderly transition is not our main priority” and all I can think is “HOLY SHIT!” Am I read too much into that, too little, I don’t know.
Sounds to me like President Obama is quite literally into the “all out of fucks to give” phase.
Obamas’ Holiday Card Doesn’t Mention Christmas for 8th Yearhttps://t.co/wNY4yyzwHE
— Fox News (@FoxNews) December 14, 2016
In all fairness, the Constitution hasn’t mentioned it for like 230 years. https://t.co/pc9r6mClag
— Erin Brr, sir (@erinscafe) December 15, 2016
re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White
The key is, they don’t hold all those positions at the same time. They change them rapidly to react to what their opponents believe. They literally do not believe in anything, only disbelieving everything their opponents say.
@FoxNews
Who the fuck cares, an orange shitgibbon has killed Santa. Happy Holidays you shits.— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) December 14, 2016
re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Really? Who gives a shit Fox. There’s more important things than crying about a card from a family you already despise.
re: #27 thedopefishlives
Sounds to me like President Obama is quite literally into the “all out of fucks to give” phase.
I’m thinking I freaked out a couple of days too early.
re: #32 HappyWarrior
Really? Who gives a shit Fox. There’s more important things than crying about a card from a family you already despise.
Butbutbut WAR ON FUCKING CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!1!1111!111
re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Well Disneyland is having a “Festival of Holidays” rather than a Christmas celebration. Are the conservatives boycotting Disneyland?
(Festival of Holidays sounds like someone’s snarky take on midwinter holidays in American commerce-which makes it a perfect fit for Disneyland, IMHO.)
.@RaleighReporter is tweeting about North Carolina Republicans killing democracy, if you want to see it happen in real time.
— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) December 16, 2016
I missed Tycho Brahe’s birthday, which was yesterday in 1546. To make up for it, enjoy this delightful cartoon by @beatonna. Poor Kepler… pic.twitter.com/RaBwypUF4f
— Claire Little (@isolinearchick) December 15, 2016
Finally…a Trump comparison that doesn’t involve Hitler.
No further comment necessaryhttps://t.co/3hnyzSVhD6 pic.twitter.com/RqLy1hOY1N
— Brent Staples (@BrentNYT) December 15, 2016
heh
Tucker Carlson, Kurt Eichenwald face off extremely weird. Carlson started reading Eichenwald’s tweets. Then Eichenwald held up this book pic.twitter.com/LWRkwmMEhx
— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) December 16, 2016
re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White
I don’t think I could hold all those different positions at the same time without my head exploding:
1. The Electoral College was a genius design by the Founders to prevent tyranny, but if the Electors exercise their right to vote their conscience as Hamilton intended, that’s TYRANNY!!!
2. Trump won a landslide in the electoral college, smaller than 45 previous elections.
3. The popular vote doesn’t count. At all. But Trump won the popular vote, if you exclude the millions of illegal votes the Democrats were clever enough to cast without detection, but dumb enough to concentrate in states they were going to win anyway.
4. Clinton meeting with someone who donated to the Clinton Foundation whom she would have met with anyway is CORRUPTION!!!, but Trump appointing one of the few people to give money to HIS foundation is perfectly fine.
And on, and on, and on.
That is because you have some personal integrity.
Trump attacks Vanity Fair after magazine gives Trump Grill a bad review: https://t.co/SaJE5t0nNF pic.twitter.com/5CnDWcF0EJ
— The Hill (@thehill) December 15, 2016
This is not a joke. It’s not funny or intriguing. It’s EXTREMELY troubling. This is not what a prez does. THIS IS NOT NORMAL… https://t.co/8Nbdor2PoO
— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) December 15, 2016
1/3 There’s a reason why so many right wing blogs and media sites are freaking out about Facebook’s latest effort against fake …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
2/3 news—because they know very well it’s going to hurt them the most. And not because Facebook is biased in favor of liberal …
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
3/3 sites; because right wing media is absolutely lousy with fake, distorted and misrepresented stories on all kinds of subjects.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
re: #47 Skip Intro
Fox “News” is a cancer.
It’s what I blame for a lot of how poorly informed people are.
re: #45 gocart mozart
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“Give me a yes or no answer! What happened!”
I once saw Carlson on one of those little busses they used to have at Dulles. He looked like a dick in person, too.
Anyone else finding they can only consume news in print now to avoid the sound of his voice?
— Schooley (@Rschooley) December 14, 2016
NEW: Electoral College exists specifically to stop a foreign power from electing “a creature of its own.” Do it. Now pic.twitter.com/lBCaVnXy3o
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) December 15, 2016
re: #12 ObserverArt
Oh how I would love to see Peter King gone out of politics.
And the odious and racist Steve King.
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re: #45 gocart mozart
Tucker still has that annoying fake laugh, I see. Can’t believe I used to watch him on “Crossfire”.
re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White
Dicks generally look like dicks at all times.
I just got call to perform at the Inauguration…. I didn’t pick up and Blocked the number.
— ICE T (@FINALLEVEL) December 16, 2016
re: #45 gocart mozart
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Okay…how many LGFers busted a gut or spit out their drinks when they heard Tucker Carlson ask if Eichenwald is practicing journalism?
It had to go downhill fast from there…how could it not.
Also…are not a journalist’s Tweets his personal thoughts and don’t have to have anything to do with what he writes or reports?
Let’s discuss partisan! And not just over an election year…maybe about a certain cable TV news organization who has had a 20 year career of it.
trump tonight at a rally in PA:
“African Americans, Hispanic Americans or whatever the hell you are..” @realDonaldTrump on unity
— Kelly O’Donnell (@KellyO) December 16, 2016
Tax estimation complete. I’m happy with the results, which clearly means I did it completely wrong.
AH!!! My eyes!
The Seahawks need to burn these uniforms. Now.
re: #48 HappyWarrior
It’s what I blame for a lot of how poorly informed people are.
It’s a common mistake I think to blame Fox News for misleading its audience when in fact the network was shaped by its audience and not the other way around. These people are poorly informed because they want to be or believe they need to be, not because external forces have manipulated or misled them. Their own pre-existing demand for a cognitively biased, ideologically orthodox news source formed a vacuum that Fox News was created to fill.
At the heart of modern ethno-nationalist conservatism is the knowing consumption and regurgitation of flagrant lies until the sheer act of repetition over time causes these people to actually believe what they’re saying. As such the vast majority of these people are wholly complicit in their own brainwashing, which is why confronting them with the truth only hardens their ideological position and rejection of any inconvenient facts.
As I’ve said before what we’re witnessing is mass dishonesty as a kind of shibboleth, intended to signal membership within the group and separate the tribe from all others, to psychologically prepare them for the coming violence they feel a need to pre-excuse. They perceive themselves as always under severe attack and that in a life or death existential fight for survival that supersedes all other ethical considerations.
Trump wants a cabinet that looks like America, or at leas who he thinks matters in America.
Per @AP analysis, Clinton had 10 women and minorities in his 1st term Cabinet. GWB: 9. Obama: 13. Trump is at five. https://t.co/uc69SpjfFE
— Lisa Lerer (@llerer) December 15, 2016
re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #56 Skip Intro
The small hands is de rigueur.
@FINALLEVEL Thank you T. You Sir are a true Patriot.
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) December 16, 2016
re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #63 goddamnedfrank
It’s a common mistake I think to blame Fox News for misleading its audience when in fact the network was shaped by its audience and not the other way around. These people are poorly informed because they want to be or believe they need to be, not because external forces have manipulated or misled them. Their own pre-existing demand for a cognitively biased, ideologically orthodox news source formed a vacuum that Fox News was created to fill.
At the heart of modern ethno-nationalist conservatism is the knowing consumption and regurgitation of flagrant lies until the sheer act of repetition over time causes them to believe what they’re saying. As such the vast majority of these people are wholly complicit in their own brainwashing, which is why confronting them with the truth only hardens their ideological position and rejection of any inconvenient facts.
As I’ve said before what we’re witnessing is mass dishonesty as a kind of shibboleth, intended to signal membership within the group and separate the tribe from all others, to psychologically prepare them for the coming violence they feel a need to pre-excuse. They perceive themselves as always under severe attack and that in a life or death existential fight for survival that supersedes all other ethical considerations.
I’d say that without Fox News, it would not be as organized or as bad as it is. There’s the ‘I lost my parents to Fox News’ phenomenon, widely discussed on the Left, where adult kids come home to find Fox News on all day and night, and their parents, who they had seen as at least reasonable, totally buying into the bullshit. And there’s some work been done on the neurochemical reward system of perpetual outrage. It’s literally addictive.
Charlie Sykes wrote a ‘mea culpa’ column for the NYT, wherein he takes at least some responsibility for so successfully attacking the mainstream media for bias that the Right by and large now won’t accept ANYTHING coming from them, and then failing to fill the resulting gap.
I’d say that Fox News and the scared, angry, reality-denying Right grew symbiotically, a feed-forward activation loop. There’s a reason you don’t find feed-forward activation loops in biology - they rapidly run out of control.
re: #68 wheat-dogg
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@J_Smash713 @Green_Footballs HaHaHa!! Your secrets safe with me Nazi Fuck. You may now not so kindly do what you do best and Fuck yourself
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) December 16, 2016
read this thread…
On Delta 423 to LAX. Being diverted to Cincinnati to “need to replenish our oxygen supply.” Just thought someone should know. Also WHA??!
— Baratunde (@baratunde) December 15, 2016
(spoiler: it ends well)
So I was shopping this afternoon and I heard THE. WORST. MOST. TERRIBLE. AWFUL, NO. GOOD. VERY. BAD. HOLIDAY. MUSIC. EVER.
A “jazz styling” of “O Come All Ye Faithful”
“I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” sung as a slow ballad.
A “jazz styling” of “Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen”
What could possibly be worse?
Another “jazz styling” with scat vocals of “Silent Night”
re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth
If true (and, as he said in “High Rollers”, Ice-T ain’t got no reason to lie to ya):
re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader
AH!!! My eyes!
The Seahawks need to burn these uniforms. Now.
The Seattle Highlighters
or
The Seattle Limes
/WTF is it with the NFL “throwback” uniforms the past couple of years that most of them have to be so damned ugly?
Holy crap. Swedish citizens told to prepare for possible war with Russia https://t.co/oq3lyIWzbD
— Summer Brennan (@summerbrennan) December 16, 2016
So this is where we’re at. *Sweden* is preparing for war. https://t.co/eMoFCarutl
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) December 16, 2016
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
You’d think the Russians would have learned from the Winter War debacle. Scandinavians are one bunch with which one does not fuck.
re: #77 thedopefishlives
You’d think the Russians would have learned from the Winter War debacle. Scandinavians are one bunch with which one does not fuck.
Last time, the Russians didn’t have nukes. :(
re: #78 scottslemmons
Last time, the Russians didn’t have nukes. :(
The Russians are crazy, but if you think they’re nuke-the-world crazy, we’ll agree to disagree. The only nuclear powers I think have a realistic shot of actually nuking somebody are Kim Jong-Un and Drumpf.
re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White
I read the article and the one thing I disagree with is the idea that he’s no longer a part of it. Until a normalcy is achieved, we’re all part of it.
Speaking of horrible holiday songs, the lyrics to “Winter Wonderland” are just freaking weird.
In the meadow we will build a snowman
And pretend that he is Parson Brown
He’ll ask us are you married, we’ll say no man
But you can do the job when you’re in town
Are these people engaged? So their wedding has already been scheduled with Parson Brown, when he comes to town, why do they need to build a snowman?
Does one of them have Elsa superpowers to bring the snowparson to life?
Are they gay and can’t get married by Parson Brown so a snowparson has to officiate their wedding?
Are they married to other people?
What other reasons would people have for making a fake wedding with a snowman officiating?
re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I needed that.
Just home from my Dem Women’s Xmas party. Such fun. Super diverse group—all ready to fight the good fight; great food, good conversation, a political quotes game (because I don’t think it’s a party without games!) with prizes. All fun—then, as I was waiting for the check to settle up, was in the bar and the yam was on TV—I made a snide comment and the bartender started woofing about how finally we will get some jobs back and anything will be better than the last 8 years, and blah blah blah.
I was not letting it go and pointed out the unemployment numbers etc. He continued on how everything was going to be better—just wait and see. I said I had to turn away because I couldn’t look at the yam’s face and mentioned to a few of the waitresses who were standing there about the extension to make Trump a Burger so you didn’t have to look at his face. They chuckled and avoided the bartender’s eye.
He finally said, “Well, we’ll see.” I said, “Uh huh.” and then left a ginormous tip for the servers! The end.
re: #83 BeachDem
I wish I could double upding for the last bit about tipping the servers. I make it a point, at every establishment I attend, to leave a decently generous gratuity. I don’t want to be that asshole who gets featured on social media for being a cheapskate and drawing a picture of a dick on the bill.
re: #77 thedopefishlives
You’d think the Russians would have learned from the Winter War debacle. Scandinavians are one bunch with which one does not fuck.
Fucking Vikings use battle-axes and drink blood.
re: #80 Belafon
I read the article and the one thing I disagree with is the idea that he’s no longer a part of it. Until a normalcy is achieved, we’re all part of it.
“Yeah, I filled a paper bag with dog shit, put it on your porch and lit it on fire, but I didn’t ring the doorbell.”
re: #83 BeachDem
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re: #85 Dave In Austin
Fucking Vikings use battle-axes and drink blood.
Mrs. Fish is mostly Swede. She inherited her ancestors’ tendency to breed wild shieldmaidens of strength and courage. She could kick my ass if she decided to, as much as she may not want to admit it.
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Sweden is in NATO, right? Does the yam think they’re up to date on their bills?
(He’ll want to protect them, because Swedish women are tall and blonde and fit)
Chuck and his alter ego/sock puppet.
Racist Joe @Bernstein doesn’t believe a black man @ObamaMalik can figure out Twitter! https://t.co/uxD2Rv7SmC
— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) December 14, 2016
Rakeem Jones shakes hands with man who elbowed him in the face at Trump rally. John McGraw received 1yr unsupervised probation. #wral pic.twitter.com/ZaQJ0HLBPJ
— Candace Sweat (@WRALCandace) December 14, 2016
We’re always expected to forgive, to be the bigger person. But if Rakeem had been the aggressor he wouldn’t be getting probation. https://t.co/1PZmb9yWUa
— Mikki Kendall (@Karnythia) December 15, 2016
And it wasn’t an elbow you shitheads, it was a full out punch.
re: #81 The Vicious Babushka
“In the meadow we can build a snowman,
“And pretend that he is parched and brown…”
re: #87 Stanley Sea
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Obama vows retaliatory action against Russia for meddling in the US presidential election. https://t.co/PJokArFiDH pic.twitter.com/XtWbk2ekYC
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) December 16, 2016
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama on Thursday vowed retaliatory action against Russia for its meddling in the US presidential election.
“I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections that we need to take action and we will at a time and place of our own choosing,” Obama told National Public Radio.Describing potential countermeasures by the US, the President said “some of it may be explicit and publicized; some of it may not be.”
He said he directly confronted Russian President Vladimir Putin about a potential US response, and said his counterpart acknowledged his stance.
“Mr. Putin is well aware of my feelings about this, because I spoke to him directly about it,” Obama said.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
I told Mrs. Fish I was going to miss this guy. She agreed, and added that the Obama family was good people. He will be remembered as one of the better American Presidents.
“This guy, this guy, nobody ever heard of him!”—Trump still irked, apparently, at @Evan_McMullin.
— Cathleen Decker (@cathleendecker) December 16, 2016
.@realDonaldTrump, does this mean I won’t be receiving a Christmas card from you this year? https://t.co/KZoGLxfAWX
— Evan McMullin (@Evan_McMullin) December 16, 2016
Trump and Flynn won’t grasp this one:
Iran Increasingly Sees IS as Threat to Islamic Republic https://t.co/FHNSvLfdKv pic.twitter.com/fHaZdrC2Hj
— The Voice of America (@VOANews) December 14, 2016
re: #93 BeachDem
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re: #81 The Vicious Babushka
Speaking of horrible holiday songs, the lyrics to “Winter Wonderland” are just freaking weird.
In the meadow we will build a snowman
And pretend that he is Parson Brown
He’ll ask us are you married, we’ll say no man
But you can do the job when you’re in townAre these people engaged? So their wedding has already been scheduled with Parson Brown, when he comes to town, why do they need to build a snowman?
Does one of them have Elsa superpowers to bring the snowparson to life?
Are they gay and can’t get married by Parson Brown so a snowparson has to officiate their wedding?
Are they married to other people?
What other reasons would people have for making a fake wedding with a snowman officiating?
A little bit later, they call it a circus clown.
It was written in 1934, so I figure the couple was high on reefer.
re: #85 Dave In Austin
Fucking Vikings use battle-axes and drink blood.
The Swedish Vikings basically founded Russia. (Rus)
@Bernstein I believe him to be a sock-puppet for one who deposits fecal matter on the linoleum. .@Cernovich .@ObamaMalik
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) December 16, 2016
re: #99 wheat-dogg
A little bit later, they call it a circus clown.
It was written in 1934, so I figure the couple was high on reefer.
Right before they killed everyone!!! (see also : Reefer Madness”)
Oh my Sweet OT: Anyone here read old Anglo-Saxon? This it the best bit of old english poetry since Beowulf…
Incipit gestis Rudolphi rangifer tarandus
or rendered into modern English:
Here begins the deeds of Rudolph, Tundra-Wanderer
re: #101 Dave In Austin
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“Hey, Malik! Can I borrow your phone?”
“You’re not going to get poop on it again, are you, Chuck?”
“ONE TIME! It happened ONE TIME!!”
Why are so many Trump supporters on Twitter such nasty hate-spewing dumb-ass motherfuckers? Rhetorical question.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White
“Hey, Malik! Can I borrow your phone?”
“You’re not going to get poop on it again, are you, Chuck?”
“ONE TIME! It happened ONE TIME!!”
Speaking of the floor-pooper, today the pipes froze at our new office building downtown. Chuck would have seen that as a golden opportunity to lay one down in the alleyway (or in a conference room).
Pres.-elect Trump to nominate David Friedman as US Ambassador to Israel
— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) December 15, 2016
Trump pick for Israel Amb: evidence clear Clinton aide tied to Muslim Brotherhood https://t.co/8b316nmWkH
— (((YousefMunayyer))) (@YousefMunayyer) December 16, 2016
Here he also says he isn’t sure one way or the other if she is tied to AlQaeda as well https://t.co/X90SqJvM3n
— (((YousefMunayyer))) (@YousefMunayyer) December 16, 2016
Trump’s son-in-law’s family foundation gave tens of thousands of $$$ to org headed by his pick for Israel Ambassador
— (((YousefMunayyer))) (@YousefMunayyer) December 16, 2016
re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth
At this rate the inauguration will feature a full length Ted Nugent concert.
re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg
At this rate the inauguration will feature a full length Ted Nugent concert.
“Next up - Cat Scratch Fever!”
(voice from the crowd) “Again?”
re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth
Evan McMullin ✔ @Evan_McMullin
.@realDonaldTrump, does this mean I won’t be receiving a Christmas card from you this year?“This guy, this guy, nobody ever heard of him!”—Trump still irked, apparently, at @Evan_McMullin.
— Cathleen Decker (@cathleendecker) December 16, 2016
…
8:50 PM - 15 Dec 2016
165 165 Retweets 769 769 likes
You’ll get a damn card, BUT IT WON’T SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! This I can tell you.
re: #109 Blind Frog Belly White
“Next up - Cat Scratch Fever!”
(voice from the crowd) “Again?”
FREEBIRD!
Vanity Fair also pilloried Trump’s DC hotel in November. vanityfair.com
I recall reading a review of Trump Tower (I now forget which publication had it), which pointed out all the unfinished items in Trump Tower, as if the contractors either did a half-assed rush job and then eft, or left because they never got paid. The DC hotel review has the same observations: closed off rooms, a “Jefferson Library” decorated with portraits on Lincoln, a nearly empty lobby bar.
A metaphor for the Trump Administration, which a month away from its “opening,” still seems remarkably unfinished.
re: #103 William Lewis
Looks like Latin to me.
I think Chuck C. Johnson missed his “show cause” hearing in Fresno today. Judging from his Facebook rants he’s in the Los Angeles area (shudder) and he was supposed to be in court at 10 am in Fresno to show cause why he shouldn’t be sanctioned for missing the previously scheduled case management conference.
He’s blowing off the lawsuit he filed in Fresno. Hopefully he’ll get a big fine.
re: #89 sagehen
Sweden is in NATO, right? Does the yam think they’re up to date on their bills?
(He’ll want to protect them, because Swedish women are tall and blonde and fit)
Nah, too far north….Trump loves him some Slavs/Eastern Europeans.
re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White
“Hey, Malik! Can I borrow your phone?”
“You’re not going to get poop on it again, are you, Chuck?”
“ONE TIME! It happened ONE TIME!!”
((immediately poops on phone))
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Wonder if Obama is going to announce that he’s recalling our Ambassador to Russia?….
50 million people in Myanmar can finally now access Facebook, and they’re using it to promote ethnic cleansing https://t.co/hJPs5Y93ov
— Xeni Jardin (@xeni) December 15, 2016
re: #119 electrotek
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So many times, when a people get new freedom of expression, first thing they think to say is “We don’t like THEM!”
sigh.
re: #114 Charles Johnson
I think Chuck C. Johnson missed his “show cause” hearing in Fresno today. Judging from his Facebook rants he’s in the Los Angeles area (shudder) and he was supposed to be in court at 10 am in Fresno to show cause why he shouldn’t be sanctioned for missing the previously scheduled case management conference.
He’s blowing off the lawsuit he filed in Fresno. Hopefully he’ll get a big fine.
Judges take a dim view of people wasting the court’s time.
Meanwhile, the hearing regarding Johnson et al. v. Gawker in NY bankruptcy court has been adjourned to Jan. 26, by motion of Gawker.
re: #113 wheat-dogg
Looks like Latin to me.
The poem at the link is not, gloriously not. The title is because monk did thinks like that when copying old poems into manuscripts.
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re: #123 Resistance Is Not Futile
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re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth
I would never have voted for Evan McMullen, but the fact that he still pisses off Cheeto Mussolini makes me like the guy.
Ivanka Trump is making calls to lawmakers to discuss child care legislation https://t.co/XY4D98I9Ru pic.twitter.com/X8NGcBEqTv
— The Hill (@thehill) December 16, 2016
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 16, 2016
Don’t take this the wrong way, but FUCK YOU, you Nazi piece of shit. @dix4Harambe
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
This is totally going to fuck up Obama’s third term, y’all —
BREAKING: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Says Investigation ‘Concludes’ Obama’s Birth Certificate is ‘Forgery’ https://t.co/cVGm7gKp0j
— LawNewz (@law_newz) December 15, 2016
BREAKING: @Larry_Kudlow to chair White House Council of Economic Advisers, @StephenMoore tells @LansingChamber https://t.co/u3z3PcQRdS
— Chad Livengood (@ChadLivengood) December 15, 2016
I used to do Larry’s show a couple times a week (nice man!) often with Moore. Their ideal period was the Calvin Coolidge era. Ponder that. https://t.co/5B0GelFdgj
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) December 16, 2016
re: #103 William Lewis
Oh my Sweet OT: Anyone here read old Anglo-Saxon? This it the best bit of old english poetry since Beowulf…
Incipit gestis Rudolphi rangifer tarandus
or rendered into modern English:
Here begins the deeds of Rudolph, Tundra-Wanderer
I speak OE… well, read it a bit… That’s not OE :-)
If the CIA and whatever other security agencies have real evidence of Russia using its “hacking” prowess to help Trump in the election, they have to come forward now and release it to the American people and the whole world.
This is too big to just let it out in drips and drabs via media leaks.
If the evidence exists, it has to come out NOW.
I know, I know, we have to “protect the sources.” Well, sure. They should do everything they can to protect the sources. But this is too big — way too big — to pussyfoot around. (How does having “sources” do any good if the CIA no longer has a free and democratic America to protect?)
Otherwise, they might as well just shut up about it.
re: #124 thedopefishlives
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re: #124 thedopefishlives
Crazy weather right off the bat this year.
6° in Columbus right now. Low of 4° tonight. Mid 20° on Friday…up to 50° on Saturday…falling to 9° overnight Sunday…to mid 20°s to start next week and then the mid to high 30°s to end up at 40°+ on Christmas.
Wheeee!
re: #132 Resistance Is Not Futile
Not really. Unfortunately, “cow-orkers” is a Scott Adams creation (wingnut cartoonist creator of Dilbert). I adopted the turn of phrase some time ago, before his wingnut tendencies came to light.
re: #122 William Lewis
The poem at the link is not, gloriously not. The title is because monk did thinks like that when copying old poems into manuscripts.
Ah, got it. It is pretty great. I’m a sucker for anything that starts ‘Hwæt!’ though.
re: #133 ObserverArt
Crazy weather right off the bat this year.
6° in Columbus right now. Low of 4° tonight. Mid 20° on Friday…up to 50° on Saturday…falling to 9° overnight Sunday…to mid 20°s to start next week and then the mid to high 30° to end up at 40°+ on Christmas.
Wheeee!
GLOBAL WARMING MY ASS!!!!!
re: #133 ObserverArt
Crazy weather right off the bat this year.
6° in Columbus right now. Low of 4° tonight. Mid 20° on Friday…up to 50° on Saturday…falling to 9° overnight Sunday…to mid 20°s to start next week and then the mid to high 30° to end up at 40°+ on Christmas.
Wheeee!
The forecast for Sunday morning (8am) in the Twin Cities is 23 below. We’re getting 5-8” of snow tomorrow. This weekend is going to suck.
re: #134 thedopefishlives
Ah. I was always an occasional follower of Dilbert, in happier times. Now I’m a non-follower.
re: #137 stpaulbear
The forecast for Sunday morning (8am) in the Twin Cities is 23 below. We’re getting 5-8” of snow tomorrow. This weekend is going to suck.
And I’ll be at the Bank (U.S. Bank Stadium), provided traffic isn’t prohibitively retarded.
Somebody should let Birther die-hards know the game is over. Obama’s leaving office after two full terms. You LOSE. Good day, sir!
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
So, the latest RWNJ “idea” is that Pepe the racist frog is a false flag (frog?) planted by liberals, who also have time to fake shit tons of white supremacist websites.
My guess: The democrats created this frog and are the ones posting it on their own faked white supremacist web sites. Another liberal fraud.
— FreeRepublic.txt (@FreeRepublicTXT) December 16, 2016
re: #124 thedopefishlives
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re: #142 William Lewis
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re: #130 Donkey With No Name
I speak OE… well, read it a bit… That’s not OE :-)
Ah, but did you follow the link?
re: #97 electrotek
If the Ayatollah dies soon, there is a good chance Iran will liberalize quickly.
re: #141 wheat-dogg
So, the latest RWNJ “idea” is that Pepe the racist frog is a false flag (frog?) planted by liberals, who also have time to fake shit tons of white supremacist websites.
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Considering the number of fake ‘black Twitter accounts assholes have been making for the sole purpose of obfuscation, this is projection 101.
My hairdresser, a typical voter, admitted that she voted for Trump; Her reason? Comey’s statement the week before the election. She detests Trump but couldn’t face 4 years of Clinton “scandals” after living through the 1990’s, Benghazi hearings, and the emails. I know that everyone seems to separate the FBI interference from the Russian interference, but what if they aren’t independent attacks? Robert Hanssen was a Russian mole for 22 years. Do you really think he was the only mole in the FBI? What if those promoting the Hillary investigation were actually serving another master.
re: #144 William Lewis
See my #135 :-)
re: #141 wheat-dogg
So, the latest RWNJ “idea” is that Pepe the racist frog is a false flag (frog?) planted by liberals, who also have time to fake shit tons of white supremacist websites.
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The next time a frog-headed deplorable tweets something deplorable, retweet this and call him a secret liberal.
re: #143 thedopefishlives
I have had the privilege of walking past the outside of the U.S. Bank Stadium. It is a magnificent building from a block away. I can’t wait to see the inside of it - and I suspect, once I get in there, I will be just as eager to see the outside of it again.
re: #123 Resistance Is Not Futile
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re: #139 thedopefishlives
And I’ll be at the Bank (U.S. Bank Stadium), provided traffic isn’t prohibitively retarded.
Sorry, but I wouldn’t go to a Vikings game if they could guarantee that it was 70 degrees in the stadium. I’ve just never cared about football.
re: #143 thedopefishlives
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re: #137 stpaulbear
The forecast for Sunday morning (8am) in the Twin Cities is 23 below. We’re getting 5-8” of snow tomorrow. This weekend is going to suck.
I know your neck of the woods can get real cold, but is this early for it to be that cold?
re: #144 William Lewis
Ah, but did you follow the link?
It is indeed AS, once I followed the link. Pronouncing AS involves a lot of throat-clearing sounds, so do not attempt with a bad head cold.
re: #152 stpaulbear
Sorry, but I wouldn’t go to a Vikings game if they could guarantee that it was 70 degrees in the stadium. I’ve just never cared about football.
I don’t really care all that much either. I literally would not be going if it were not a client visit. But, free tickets, free food and drink, and box seats in our new $1B+ stadium - who could pass up that opportunity?
re: #154 ObserverArt
I know your neck of the woods can get real cold, but is this early for it to be that cold?
yes :(
I’m mulling over the idea of trying to arrange a protest at the local Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia is directly connected to Kirill, who has a symbiotic relationship with Putin.
Let those in the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia feel the heat.
re: #157 thedopefishlives
I don’t really care all that much either. I literally would not be going if it were not a client visit. But, free tickets, free food and drink, and box seats in our new $1B+ stadium - who could pass up that opportunity?
Too bad you couldn’t talk them into a hockey game instead.
re: #158 stpaulbear
yes :(
It’s not that early. We typically see more of these temperatures in mid-January, but it’s not unheard of to have lows around -20 in December.
@jhamby It was a 50-year plot by shadowy forces to install a commie fake president to destroy America. But then he forgot to destroy America
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
The idiotic Birther conspiracy theory is why we’re about to have a nightmare presidency. @jhamby
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
re: #160 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Too bad you couldn’t talk them into a hockey game instead.
I would agree - especially as I’ve never seen a hockey game live - but I’ve never seen a football game live, either, and this client is from Indianapolis (as previously mentioned) so the football game obviously makes more sense from a client-relations perspective.
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
Skating close to group punishment there again.
re: #156 wheat-dogg
It is indeed AS, once I followed the link. Pronouncing AS involves a lot of throat-clearing sounds, so do not attempt with a bad head cold.
Made me wish Seamus Heaney were around to do a “poetic” translation :D
I have a gloriously fun Norton Edition of his version of Beowulf with lots of essays on the poem, it’s surroundings and lit crit even including Professor Tolkien’s classic essay “Beowulf: The Monster and the Critics”. This made dig that out for another reading.
re: #163 thedopefishlives
And on that note, Mrs. Fish is taking a friend to see the MN Wild at the Xcel on Saturday. I has teh envy. :(
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m mulling over the idea of trying to arrange a protest at the local Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia is directly connected to Kirill, who has a symbiotic relationship with Putin.
Let those in the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia feel the heat.
Don’t do that.
re: #163 thedopefishlives
I would agree - especially as I’ve never seen a hockey game live - but I’ve never seen a football game live, either, and this client is from Indianapolis (as previously mentioned) so the football game obviously makes more sense from a client-relations perspective.
Propose it as a morale booster. Tech companies love morale boosters.
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The sleep of reason breeds monsters. And we have some serious monsters coming at us now.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 16, 2016
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
Use that energy to help deal with Trump and company. We’re going to have enough to do without going after unrelated groups.
re: #168 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #160 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Too bad you couldn’t talk them into a hockey game instead.
Klys…how about them Blue Jackets? Unbelievable for this fan. I hope they can keep it up.
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m mulling over the idea of trying to arrange a protest at the local Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia is directly connected to Kirill, who has a symbiotic relationship with Putin.
Let those in the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia feel the heat.
I would recommend protesting at a Russian embassy or consulate. I doubt members of an American ROC are 100% behind Vladimir Putin any more than 100% of American Catholics avoid contraception, or 100% of American Jews like Bibi.
re: #166 thedopefishlives
And on that note, Mrs. Fish is taking a friend to see the MN Wild at the Xcel on Saturday. I has teh envy. :(
Hockey is great live!
re: #172 ObserverArt
Klys…how about them Blue Jackets? Unbelievable for this fan. I hope they can keep it up.
Metro is hot hot hot this year. (That is the extent to which I have really followed it, being somewhat distracted.)
Trying to get back into things again as a form of therapy. And also stitching more.
Torts can be really good as a coach until things go south quickly. My fingers crossed that can be avoided.
re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Having seen the collusion between Patriarch Kirill and Putin, I admit it is hard for me now to think of the Russian Orthodox Church as a legitimate religious organization in the US.
To me, they are an arm of the Russian state, just as much as any embassy or Consulate.
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
Not a good idea. There are far more appropriate targets for action: helping those who are going to be hurt by the incoming regime for example.
re: #173 wheat-dogg
I would recommend protesting at a Russian embassy or consulate. I doubt members of an American ROC are 100% behind Vladimir Putin any more than 100% of American Catholics avoid contraception, or 100% of American Jews like Bibi.
I second that.
re: #174 ObserverArt
Hockey is great live!
So she tells me. She’s been to a Wild game before. St. Paul is a bit of a haul for us, but it’d be worth it to me to go see a fight or two (and a hockey game on top).
Does anyone know why Ali Akbar is tweeting about Kurt Eichenwald deleting tweets? Ali seems convinced Kurt is up to somethng.
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
Just protest directly against Trump. Fewer degrees of separation.
re: #176 Ziggy_TARDIS
Having seen the collusion between Patriarch Kirill and Putin, I admit it is hard for me now to think of the Russian Orthodox Church as a legitimate religious organization in the US.
To me, they are an arm of the Russian state, just as much as any embassy or Consulate.
That’s like saying that because some imams cooperate with Da’esh, it’s hard to think of Islam as a legit religion in the US. Which is bullshit, and you know it and I know it, but you’re willing to do it here because you’re not a member of that group. Stop.
If you want to protest, protest an embassy/consulate. OR put your energy towards something constructive instead of destructive.
re: #176 Ziggy_TARDIS
Having seen the collusion between Patriarch Kirill and Putin, I admit it is hard for me now to think of the Russian Orthodox Church as a legitimate religious organization in the US.
To me, they are an arm of the Russian state, just as much as any embassy or Consulate.
You are moving into group blame. Take a step back.
re: #179 thedopefishlives
So she tells me. She’s been to a Wild game before. St. Paul is a bit of a haul for us, but it’d be worth it to me to go see a fight or two (and a hockey game on top).
I wouldn’t rely on seeing a fight. It’s down in the league compared to the past (which is fine).
But the hockey will be good regardless.
re: #184 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I wouldn’t rely on seeing a fight. It’s down in the league compared to the past (which is fine).
But the hockey will be good regardless.
Of course not. It’s just a joke. And I hear the Wild are actually doing pretty well so far this year, so obviously the hockey would be good.
re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m mulling over the idea of trying to arrange a protest at the local Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia is directly connected to Kirill, who has a symbiotic relationship with Putin.
Let those in the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia feel the heat.
Dude, no. Just no.
re: #185 thedopefishlives
Of course not. It’s just a joke. And I hear the Wild are actually doing pretty well so far this year, so obviously the hockey would be good.
Sorry, my joke detector has been malfunctioning lately. It keeps going off with regards to the new administration and we all know that sadly that’s way too real. :(
re: #157 thedopefishlives
I don’t really care all that much either. I literally would not be going if it were not a client visit. But, free tickets, free food and drink, and box seats in our new $1B+ stadium - who could pass up that opportunity?
That is almost enough to get me to a game…but I don’t even want to step outside this Sunday.
.@AlexSteffen really nails what’s going on with Trump (and Putin). Follow the carbon! https://t.co/wFHioOcWFL
— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) December 16, 2016
“…Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England and chair of the Financial Stability Board — the global institution designed to try to prevent market panics and crashes — gave a bombshell talk at Lloyds last year, saying he thought letting the Carbon Bubble continue to grow exposed global markets to a risk on the level of the 2007 subprime crisis.
In other words, one of the most knowledgeable financial authorities on the planet has come to think that the difference between what the high-carbon part of the economy is priced at and what it’s worth is so enormous that letting it grow and then suddenly pop could crash financial markets worldwide.”
……..
“…Russia is a petrostate. It’s the number one gas exporter and number two oil exporter in the world, but it’s economy is otherwise stagnant and out-of-date. Those oil and gas assets are controlled by a small number of oligarchs gathered around Putin, the former head of the KGB. Those oligarchs may be the one group of investors who stands to lose the most from the popping of the Carbon Bubble.”
re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Metro is hot hot hot this year. (That is the extent to which I have really followed it, being somewhat distracted.)
Trying to get back into things again as a form of therapy. And also stitching more.
Torts can be really good as a coach until things go south quickly. My fingers crossed that can be avoided.
I know he has that reputation. I guess we will find out, but local hockey gurus that seem to know of that rep say he seems a changed man. All I know is he is showing the team has some talent and even that is plus as we’ve had questions about talent, direction and motivation the whole time we’ve had the franchise. And we are young.
re: #183 The Vicious Babushka
You are moving into group blame. Take a step back.
Agreed. The same thing we complain about when a terrorist organization attacks and everyone holds collective blame on us.
Let’s not sink to that level.
re: #141 wheat-dogg
So, the latest RWNJ “idea” is that Pepe the racist frog is a false flag (frog?) planted by liberals, who also have time to fake shit tons of white supremacist websites.
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Post that dude all in green at the Trump rally. Yeah.
re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Sorry, my joke detector has been malfunctioning lately. It keeps going off with regards to the new administration and we all know that sadly that’s way too real. :(
Nah, that’s understandable. {{{klys}}}
@justinsink @ZekeJMiller Hey, let Joe be Joe.
— Andrew Beatty (@AndrewBeatty) December 16, 2016
re: #188 stpaulbear
That is almost enough to get me to a game…but I don’t even want to step outside this Sunday.
Believe me, I don’t either. I’m going to be taking the train from my offices to the Bank, which will require some outdoor exposure. I am not looking forward to it. But, I do as my duty requires, and I am handsomely rewarded for it.
I have succeeded in clearing off my desk but now there is no chair for mr. klys in the office.
This should be fine, right?
re: #185 thedopefishlives
Of course not. It’s just a joke. And I hear the Wild are actually doing pretty well so far this year, so obviously the hockey would be good.
A take on the old: “I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out!”
Area firm should consider logo redesign pic.twitter.com/O7BeNbbNfv
— Mark Kogan (@markskogan) December 16, 2016
re: #183 The Vicious Babushka
You are moving into group blame. Take a step back.
Honestly, Ziggy_TARDIS, this is one of your worst habits — blaming an entire class of people for the actions of a few. And each time you do it, we call you out about it. Maybe it’s time you make a decision to never do it again.
If I were a Russian Orthodox parishioner confronted by an anti-Russian protest outside my church, I’d be a lot more pissed at the protesters than at Vladimir Putin. Unless you can prove, with real evidence, that a church is sending money to support Putin directly, all such a protest would do is anger the people you need as allies against Putin.
re: #198 JasonA
Typographic awareness is often undervalued.
re: #192 Stanley Sea
Post that dude all in green at the Trump rally. Yeah.
He was a librul plant. //
re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #68 wheat-dogg
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re: #200 jaunte
Typographic awareness is often undervalued.
The college I went to we had one typographic based class a semester, a couple times there would be two. All required for an Advertising Communication Design degree.
re: #199 wheat-dogg
Honestly, Ziggy_TARDIS, this is one of your worst habits — blaming an entire class of people for the actions of a few. And each time you do it, we call you out about it. Maybe it’s time you make a decision to never do it again.
If I were a Russian Orthodox parishioner confronted by an anti-Russian protest outside my church, I’d be a lot more pissed at the protesters than at Vladimir Putin. Unless you can prove, with real evidence, that a church is sending money to support Putin directly, all such a protest would do is anger the people you need as allies against Putin.
This. I can not stress this enough!
re: #185 thedopefishlives
Of course not. It’s just a joke. And I hear the Wild are actually doing pretty well so far this year, so obviously the hockey would be good.
West 7th Street is my route home from work so I always drive past the Xcel. The area just west of the arena is always so full of life before a game. People are having a lot of fun.
re: #202 Anymouse
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re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth
Like he really wants “unity.” They want to see us explode in violence and bloodshed.
re: #202 Anymouse
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re: #156 wheat-dogg
It is indeed AS, once I followed the link. Pronouncing AS involves a lot of throat-clearing sounds, so do not attempt with a bad head cold.
Hey, it’s a beautiful language! Just pretend that you’re Scottish…
re: #205 stpaulbear
West 7th Street is my route home from work so I always drive past the Xcel. The area just west of the arena is always so full of life before a game. People are having a lot of fun.
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re: #124 thedopefishlives
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Has anyone looked at the really poor numbers of @VanityFair Magazine. Way down, big trouble, dead! Graydon Carter, no talent, will be out!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 15, 2016
Someone is mad that Vanity Fair ran a bad review of his jumped-up, fake-gold Applebee’s. https://t.co/UuNRTJeF7l
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) December 15, 2016
re: #212 Anymouse
Be careful. And you might also want to correct your private tags.
re: #210 jaunte
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I think that Charles has shown that bit of typography fail before.
re: #211 thedopefishlives
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re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m mulling over the idea of trying to arrange a protest at the local Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia is directly connected to Kirill, who has a symbiotic relationship with Putin.
Let those in the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia feel the heat.
I wouldn’t recommend picketing a Russian Orthodox Church over an alleged symbiotic relationship with Vladimir Putin.
There might be a reason to picket a church, but the mere appearance of “Russian” in its name (a symbiotic relationship) is not it. While the ROC in Russia is cosy with the Russian government, it is not so here.
re: #220 stpaulbear
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re: #208 wheat-dogg
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re: #223 Anymouse
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re: #214 jaunte
Mr. Trump is misdirecting attention away from the speech he cancelled today to say how he would separate himself from his businesses, and from how he had his children today in a meeting with a bunch of tech CEOs (minus Twitter’s, because Twitter would not create a Crooked Hillary emoji at his request).
Anytime Mr. Trump makes a weird tweet, look for what he is trying to direct your attention away from.
Tech CEO’s now know the way to Mr. Trump is through his children.
I want to highlight a clear statement of why Trump beat Clinton, from Right Wing radio host Charlie Sykes:
“What they did buy into was the argument that this was a “binary choice.” No matter how bad Mr. Trump was, my listeners argued, he could not possibly be as bad as Mrs. Clinton. “
Substitute Sanders, same thing would probably have happened.
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re: #227 stpaulbear
I shared that to my mom once because she still sort of resents me for leaving fish country for this godforsaken patch of barren tundra. She just doesn’t understand. The women here, they just have so much more fire, comes with having to survive the harsh winters upon the blustery prairie.
I know people are fixated currently on the deteriorating situation in Aleppo, but please let’s not forget the Rohingya suffering even as they fled the fascists in their own country.
This sobering read reinforces the suffering they endure even in Muslim-majority Malaysia:
But Abdul Rahman said he stays away from certain areas. Being a Rohingya refugee means you live in a heightened state of alert; he has been robbed and assaulted a few times before.
“Because we are aliens in a foreign land, they (locals) look down on us… they see me carrying those things (and assume I have money) so they rob me,” he said, without elaborating further.
There was fear in his voice as he spoke about these incidents. When asked to give details, he shied away. Rafi said this was because he feared revealing too much would expose him to some form of retaliation, especially since the perpetrators are often Malays, the country’s ethnic majority.
“We as foreigners in a foreign land, we can’t complain much. Who are we to ask for rights? Even our mother country we have to ask for it, I don’t think we can do much here,” Rafi said.
I have to remind other Muslims that this whole Ummah unity is a farce when you live in a Muslim country. It’s no different from any other country when it comes to natives vs outsiders.
re: #228 Stanley Sea
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re: #228 Stanley Sea
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Trump will NOT divest from his businesses, WSJ’s Monica Langley reports. Concern from Trump Org. was that it would be “fire sale”
— Steve Kopack (@SteveKopack) December 16, 2016
Because getting a good price for his business is more important than not violating the Constitution https://t.co/kCCTtANvrC
— Matt O’Brien (@ObsoleteDogma) December 16, 2016
re: #234 retired cynic
Also in NE Nigeria.
Yup.
And as for the self-proclaimed “torchbearers of Islam”, the Pakistanis?
🇵🇰⚠️ #Pakistan: Protest marches set to converge on same spot Friday afternoon in #Lahore. Plan accordingly: https://t.co/5LNzqFtdD8 #Ahmadi pic.twitter.com/RaMsqsXaFB
— OSAC (@OSACState) December 15, 2016
Two religious protests in Lahore tomorrow against the Ahmadi community. Who are they organized by? https://t.co/G7jnDCeQlR
— Benazir Shah (@Benazir_Shah) December 15, 2016
While the rest of the world protests for #Aleppo these self-proclaimed ‘theykadars of Islam’ are out demanding right to oppress a minority 😡 https://t.co/lj2YuL0rMY
— دانیال (@danja84) December 15, 2016
Because Ahmadis’ practice of Islam is a bigger concern than the dying civilians of Aleppo. WTF man.
What we need to do is convince the fence sitters is that nothing Trump says can be trusted, that he lies like a rug. Immunize them against the self-promoting bluster which is never completely truthful. They need to change their attitude about claims from the Trump camp, that the first thing to do is disbelieve the claim as bullshit. Most of all, get them to read, not watch the liars, who are very convincing on TV. Convince them that Trump only thinks of himself and has never done anything for anybody else (ask for an example).
Great. A thousand miles of high wind advisories, flood warnings, and Winter Storm Warnings to get home (the Winter Storm Warnings include our county).
Plus when we get home, high of 4F and low of -11F Saturday.
re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Isn’t December travel wonderful?/
I’m sure our Smart car is up to it. /s
re: #227 stpaulbear
I was supposed to fly in tomorrow-United, of all the majors, allowed me the option to reschedule my flight due to the weather. So I did.
I’m starting to like United more and liking Delta less.
re: #231 Ziggy_TARDIS
Or buried under snow.
That might be Buffalo though.
That might be us trying to bulldoze our way through the Rocky Mountains in a Smart car to get home.
Send a St. Bernard if you don’t hear from us. Somewhere along I-80 … that size dog is big enough to carry our car out.
re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Isn’t December travel wonderful?
/
Mrs. Fish was wanting me to drive us back to fish country for a Christmas visit. I’ve done it once before… worst drive I’ve ever done. I-94 East across Wisconsin was a complete disaster. It was impossible to navigate the washboard of snow that they called a freeway.
re: #241 Eric The Fruit Bat
I was supposed to fly in tomorrow-United, of all the majors, allowed me the option to reschedule my flight due to the weather. So I did.
I’m starting to like United more and liking Delta less.
I can’t tolerate United after getting trapped in Chicago-O’Hare one December weekend. Delta, at least, offers direct flights from MSP to either of the two Indiana airports.
re: #231 Ziggy_TARDIS
Or buried under snow.
That might be Buffalo though.
I bought a snowblower two years ago because we went through a couple of brutal snow years. I haven’t even put gas in it yet. If it’s less than 8”, it’s less hassle to shovel than to use the blower. We only had one or two snowstorms last year.
MSNBC is reporting that NPR’s “Morning Edition” will carry an interview with President Obama about what the USA will or will not do about NBC’s allegations that Vladimir Putin directly intervened in our electoral process.
re: #245 stpaulbear
I bought a snowblower two years ago because we went through a couple of brutal snow years. I haven’t even put gas in it yet. If it’s less than 8”, it’s less hassle to shovel than to use the blower. We only had one or two snowstorms last year.
Two years ago, I had to run my snowblower over to my neighbor’s house because he was completely snowed under and unable to cope with his puny shovel. Earlier this winter, I noticed him showing off with a brand-new snowblower. Looks like he learned his lesson.
re: #244 thedopefishlives
Delta charges $300 more for flights out of my new airport to get to MSP. When I used to live in MSP, they pretty much ran the show as that was one of their fortress hubs-but living in a spoke city now, my options are limited but I avoid the headaches of a major airport.
And I’m still pissed at Delta after the post-Northwest merger-Northwest had yearlong nonstops to my new home-as a matter of fact, they dropped a LOT of non-stops out of MSP post-merger. So I’ll be more than happy to give my business to United (I used to predominattely fly them when I lived in Chicago anyway.)
re: #244 thedopefishlives
I can’t tolerate United after getting trapped in Chicago-O’Hare one December weekend. Delta, at least, offers direct flights from MSP to either of the two Indiana airports.
In general, direct flights are best. Airline is less relevant. Most of them suck.
Southwest sucks less and since direct flights from CA to NC are somewhat harder to come by, we choose them.
re: #248 Eric The Fruit Bat
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re: #249 klys (maker of Silmarils)
In general, direct flights are best. Airline is less relevant. Most of them suck.
Southwest sucks less and since direct flights from CA to NC are somewhat harder to come by, we choose them.
Pretty much nailed it. Whenever I look for air travel, I look for least number of hops. Most of it’s going to be Delta out of MSP, since they own that airport.
re: #237 BlueSpotinAL
What we need to do is convince the fence sitters is that nothing Trump says can be trusted, that he lies like a rug. Immunize them against the self-promoting bluster which is never completely truthful. They need to change their attitude about claims from the Trump camp, that the first thing to do is disbelieve the claim as bullshit. Most of all, get them to read, not watch the liars, who are very convincing on TV. Convince them that Trump only thinks of himself and has never done anything for anybody else (ask for an example).
Most of them only know that Trump had a TV show and that he’s a “very successful businessman.” They know little of the details of his tawdry career.
re: #233 Jebediah, RBG
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Siri show me headshots of the soulless. pic.twitter.com/wDCdIlaZe5
— Schooley (@Rschooley) December 16, 2016
Goblins!
re: #250 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #255 Eric The Fruit Bat
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re: #73 The Vicious Babushka
So I was shopping this afternoon and I heard THE. WORST. MOST. TERRIBLE. AWFUL, NO. GOOD. VERY. BAD. HOLIDAY. MUSIC. EVER.
A “jazz styling” of “O Come All Ye Faithful”
“I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” sung as a slow ballad.
A “jazz styling” of “Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen”
What could possibly be worse?
Another “jazz styling” with scat vocals of “Silent Night”
I don’t see “Little Drummer Boy” (any version) there, so that’s a solid indication that things can get worse.
Just listened to a Cajun version of “It Came upon a Midnight Clear” on a program break on Louisiana Public Broadcasting. Real old-time chanky-chank. Can’t say that it exactly screamed Christmas, but it got me to open another beer and start patting my foot in waltz time, which this year may be about as much as we can hope for.
re: #256 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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I’m going to need to go to bed tomorrow; an interesting drive starts tomorrow.
My wife is over the moon about our visit to Sacramento: She is thrilled at the California State Railroad Museum, and overjoyed at her chance to drive the high-speed rail locomotive simulator.
I only listen to, willingly, Manheim Steamroller christmas music or classical. MS is cornball as it gets but it is mostly upbeat and no vocals and i find that is the best one can hope for.
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re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth
@FINALLEVEL woulda been a good excuse to get Body Count back together…
— efuseakay (@efuseakay) December 16, 2016
Shocked, etc.
So all this we were hearing about being lawless, & no surprise to anyone, turns out we’re not the lawless ones herehttps://t.co/8Itlfw167K
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) December 16, 2016
re: #260 Anymouse
Please share some pictures with us if you would.
re: #73 The Vicious Babushka
So I was shopping this afternoon and I heard THE. WORST. MOST. TERRIBLE. AWFUL, NO. GOOD. VERY. BAD. HOLIDAY. MUSIC. EVER.
A “jazz styling” of “O Come All Ye Faithful”
“I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” sung as a slow ballad.
A “jazz styling” of “Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen”
What could possibly be worse?
Another “jazz styling” with scat vocals of “Silent Night”
Scat is only acceptable when Tom Servo does it.
baratunde saga is not over
@baratunde he’s part of the saga too. Sat up front. Right by the cockpit. Is he on Twitter?
— Jonathan Wellbelove (@fifesounds) December 16, 2016
Attention, internet. It gets better. TOM SELLECK HAS BEEN ON THIS FLIGHT THE ENTIRE TIME!!! https://t.co/v5lYdUMVJP
— Baratunde (@baratunde) December 16, 2016
I like “Little Drummer Boy.” In certain arrangements.
But pineapple on pizza is just wrong. Always.
re: #264 jaunte
Please share some pictures with us if you would.
Regrettably, we don’t have any pictures. We’ll just have to live on memories.
re: #261 William Lewis
I only listen to, willingly, Manheim Steamroller christmas music or classical. MS is cornball as it gets but it is mostly upbeat and no vocals and i find that is the best one can hope for.
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Can’t do it, simply because I first heard of the outfit twenty-something years ago when Rush Limbaugh “discovered” them. Far as I know, he still plugs their music every year. OK, it’s a guilt by association thing, but I can’t get around it.
@Franklin_Graham most definitely God! America is at a spiritual crossroads. This was a spiritual election.
— Sony Lytle (@sonlytle) December 14, 2016
@wordbird67 @Franklin_Graham Not once did I hear Hillary say that she had any faith or belief in God.
— Sony Lytle (@sonlytle) December 15, 2016
https://t.co/hizbdBdDJB @sonlytle @wordbird67 @Franklin_Graham
That took literally 3 seconds to find with google you lazy twit.— aceoaces (@aceoaces) December 16, 2016
re: #73 The Vicious Babushka
The funniest rendition of “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” is by The Klezmonauts, done as a Western-styled piece after “The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly”
(The rest of their stuff is funny too)
re: #228 Stanley Sea
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re: #252 wheat-dogg
Most of them only know that Trump had a TV show and that he’s a “very successful businessman.” They know little of the details of his tawdry career.
Blank slates can be written on. We can fill those details in.
re: #267 Resistance Is Not Futile
I like “Little Drummer Boy.” In certain arrangements.
But pineapple on pizza is just wrong. Always.
Still with The Klezmonauts:
re: #246 Anymouse
MSNBC is reporting that NPR’s “Morning Edition” will carry an interview with President Obama about what the USA will or will not do about NBC’s allegations that Vladimir Putin directly intervened in our electoral process.
Somehow, I doubt he’ll tell us that Seal Team Six has dropped Putin into the Indian Ocean. :/
re: #270 Ace-o-aces
They don’t try, and won’t try. What’s true is what emphasizes their inherent morality (regardless of their actual actions or drives) and the basic depravity of anyone they resent (regardless of how they actually behave). There’s no such thing a contradictory evidence, because there’s no standard of evidence.
re: #274 wheat-dogg
BBC reports on Sweden bringing an old military base on the island of Gotland out of mothballs.
Well, the Swedes did have a nuclear program…
re: #273 BlueSpotinAL
Blank slates can be written on. We can fill those details in.
VB has a nice graphic she tweets about Trump’s track record as a businessman, which is just one failure after another. He’s a complete phony. If he hadn’t started out in business with a huge head start from his daddy, Trump would have washed out early on.
re: #225 Anymouse
Mr. Trump is misdirecting attention away from the speech he cancelled today to say how he would separate himself from his businesses, and from how he had his children today in a meeting with a bunch of tech CEOs (minus Twitter’s, because Twitter would not create a Crooked Hillary emoji at his request).
Anytime Mr. Trump makes a weird tweet, look for what he is trying to direct your attention away from.
Tech CEO’s now know the way to Mr. Trump is through his children.
“Available to the Highest Bidder: Coffee With Ivanka Trump” (via @EricLiptonNYT and @maggieNYT) https://t.co/g6BCeGgKQq pic.twitter.com/xZ9HhWcOnn
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) December 16, 2016
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