And Now, the Creepiest Photo of the Year, by Far

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Journalist Mike Allen tweeted this photo earlier tonight, with the caption:

Christmas @ Mar-a-Lago: @realDonaldTrump, relaxed and chatty, hosts press for drinks — off-record but pics OK

This is what you’re looking at:

These are the same people Trump has been viciously attacking and degrading all year at his rallies.

Notice how all their eyes are blank, empty white mirrors — except Trump’s. Just a flash effect, I’m sure.

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425 comments

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:49:42pm

nice of the quislings to willingly ID themselves.

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William Lewis  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:51:18pm

Can we id thier media outlets for boycotting?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:51:42pm

The Puppying Process has begun. When Trump gets finished with them they’ll be just like they were with Dumbya!

Good Puppies looking out for their Master…
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scottslemmons  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:51:56pm
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mmmirele  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:52:29pm

No souls there, I don’t think.

And to the person who says A&E doesn’t have good programming, I’d like to offer up Leah Remini’s current series on Scientology. As a long-time observer/critic of the space-alien cult of greed and power, I never in my life thought I’d ever see such an expose on television. It’s apparently so popular that Remini and a few other participants will participate in a special Q&A session tomorrow (Monday) night.

Seriously, you don’t even know how happy it makes me to see Scientology set back.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:52:37pm

I know I’ve seen that photo before…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:53:33pm

This is absolutely ghastly.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:54:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:54:25pm

and a little free advertising while they’re at it…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:58:28pm

re: #2 William Lewis

Can we id thier media outlets for boycotting?

@axios, for one. (That’s what Mike Allen keeps name-dropping in his tweets; it’s his new pet project after leaving Politico.)

It’s a shame that the photo is of a poor resolution, as it would be much more easily to ID these clowns.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:59:03pm
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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:59:50pm

No taco bowl for you!

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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 7:59:57pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:02:43pm

re: #5 mmmirele

No souls there, I don’t think.

And to the person who says A&E doesn’t have good programming, I’d like to offer up Leah Remini’s current series on Scientology. As a long-time observer/critic of the space-alien cult of greed and power, I never in my life thought I’d ever see such an expose on television. It’s apparently so popular that Remini and a few other participants will participate in a special Q&A session tomorrow (Monday) night.

Seriously, you don’t even know how happy it makes me to see Scientology set back.

That’s fine; I complained about A&E falling victim to channel drift… abandoning their original reason for existence by dropping arts-related shows in favor of mostly lowbrow fare.

Other examples of channel drift: MTV dropping music videos, TNN dropping all Nashville programming and becoming a male-oriented network, TLC dropping all educational programs, and CNN ceasing to be a credible news organization.

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plansbandc  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:03:36pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Way too true, and the most unfunny thing I’ve ever seen from The Onion.

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mmmirele  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:03:53pm

In light of the picture above, I’m going to tell this.

At this time 34 years ago, I was trying to figure out what the hell I was going to do, since I’d failed the last class in the journalism program at UT-Austin. (The degree would have been a bachelor of journalism.) My parents, who had moved on to California earlier in the year, ordered me to come there because I was obviously goofing around and I needed a strong hand. I was 22 and absolutely not going to a place I hadn’t lived in a decade. I ended getting a job working in a bookstore and nine months later, going back to UT, but not to the j-school. I sat down with a course catalogue and figured out I could get out in two semesters with a bachelor of arts in government, so that’s what I did.

Given how awful journalism has been in recent decades, I am so glad I don’t have to explain to people that a B.J. doesn’t stand for Blow Job. I’ve got a perfectly good B.A.

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mmmirele  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:06:56pm

re: #15 plansbandc

Way too true, and the most unfunny thing I’ve ever seen from The Onion.

I don’t think it tops this from January 17, 2001:

Bush: ‘Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over’

theonion.com

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:08:59pm

re: #5 mmmirele

No souls there, I don’t think.

And to the person who says A&E doesn’t have good programming, I’d like to offer up Leah Remini’s current series on Scientology. As a long-time observer/critic of the space-alien cult of greed and power, I never in my life thought I’d ever see such an expose on television. It’s apparently so popular that Remini and a few other participants will participate in a special Q&A session tomorrow (Monday) night.

Seriously, you don’t even know how happy it makes me to see Scientology set back.

Anything that sets that cult back is fine with me. When I go to the Kaiser Medical Center in Hollywood, the Scientology offices are smack in the middle of it at the old Cedars of Lebanon hospital. They always have a bunch of their groupies passing out Dianetics BS outside of the Kaiser medical offices. They’ve seen me enough to know to evade my presence because I’ll always ask them about Xenu and his immortal battery powered prison.

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scottslemmons  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:09:02pm

re: #15 plansbandc

Way too true, and the most unfunny thing I’ve ever seen from The Onion.

Well, the Onion still manages to do quite a few things that are not funny.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:09:17pm
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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:09:56pm

“perfectly normal, nothing to worry about”

“…Kushner said the agreement with Sinclair, which owns television stations across the country in many swing states and often packages news for their affiliates to run, gave them more access to Trump and the campaign, according to six people who heard his remarks.

In exchange, Sinclair would broadcast their Trump interviews across the country without commentary, Kushner said.
politico.com

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:11:21pm

re: #21 jaunte

“perfectly normal, nothing to worry about”

This is the end result of throwing the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule in the trash.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:12:29pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon

Soon we’ll have an American version of the Chavez “Alo Presidente” show, in which Trump will talk to all of us for six hours.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:13:59pm

re: #16 mmmirele

You still in Austin? Got a lot of Lizards here it seems.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:14:35pm

re: #23 jaunte

Soon we’ll have an American version of the Chavez “Alo Presidente” show, in which Trump will talk to all of us for six hours.

I have a friend Alejandra who fled Venezuela because of Chavez. She is truly scared that Trump is going to do the same thing!

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:15:14pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon

He’s certainly got a model in North Carolina.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:16:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:18:47pm

Sinclair Media runs the CBS (*Channel 42) affiliate here in Austin.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:18:51pm

re: #21 jaunte

“perfectly normal, nothing to worry about”

Armstrong Williams runs a shell company that operates stations managed by Sinclair Broadcast Group, and hosts a public access interview show on Sundays that all Sinclair stations are directed to air (alongside Sheryl Atkinson’s show). The “usual suspects”… NewsMax, Breitbart and the Washington Times… all have run gushing puff pieces on this man.

This is the same Armstrong Williams who is Ben Carson’s spokesman.

No, really.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:20:06pm

re: #26 jaunte

He’s certainly got a model in North Carolina.

Just think of all the shit the GOP will whip through Congress starting with ACA repeal. I would not be surprised to see them repeal the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when McConnell kills the filibuster. Then up comes a National Right To Work law. They will take us back to the days of Coolidge…

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mmmirele  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:20:25pm

re: #24 Dave In Austin

You still in Austin? Got a lot of Lizards here it seems.

Nope, moved to Houston where I got my JD, then back to Austin, then left the law and moved to Utah, and finally (last 15 years) living in Arizona doing tech work for an evil too big to fail bank.

Austin played a huge role in making me who I am today.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:20:59pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Is it Ali Vitali & Sopan Deb?

I need name tags.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:21:44pm

re: #30 Joe Bacon

They’re going to need a huge distraction when the not-so-well-off white people start feeling the pinch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:22:19pm
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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:23:19pm

re: #29 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Armstrong Williams runs a shell company that operates stations managed by Sinclair Broadcast Group, and hosts a public access interview show on Sundays that all Sinclair stations are directed to air (alongside Sheryl Atkinson’s show). The “usual suspects”… NewsMax, Breitbart and the Washington Times… all have run gushing puff pieces on this man.

This is the same Armstrong Williams who is Ben Carson’s spokesman.

No, really.

And the same Armstrong Williams who tried to force himself on several men as well…

washingtonpost.com

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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:23:27pm

re: #31 mmmirele

Ha…… I moved to Austin from Phx 9yrs ago, I basically grew up there.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:24:22pm

re: #33 jaunte

They’re going to need a huge distraction when the not-so-well-off white people start feeling the pinch.

Yes. You will hear the Republican Bullshit Machine blame Obama 24/7 and the marks will believe that!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:27:49pm

re: #28 Dave In Austin

Sinclair Media runs the CBS (*Channel 42) affiliate here in Austin.

Sinclair Broadcast Group is by far the largest broadcasting chain in the country. The vast majority of their portfolio is small-market, but their co-flagships are Fox 45 in Baltimore and ABC7 in Washington, DC. They also own KOMO4 in Seattle, NBC 10 in Providence, RI, Local 12 in Cincinnati and ABC6/Fox28 in Columbus.

Oddly enough, Sinclair never bought into my hometown of Cleveland. Which is just as well, because Armstrong Williams is an Art and David Modell apologist… and that’s a no-no on Ohio’s North Coast.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:28:14pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:28:59pm

re: #33 jaunte

They’re going to need a huge distraction when the not-so-well-off white people start feeling the pinch.

Operation Northwoods but with Moozlims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:31:03pm
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b.d.  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:32:20pm

Did the press have to buy copies of that picture in the lobby?

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Interesting Times  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:34:45pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Someone needs to send them this:

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:37:56pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon

Yes. You will hear the Republican Bullshit Machine blame Obama 24/7 and the marks will believe that!

Thankfully, we know they will do just that. They are so totally predictable.

Some of them, like Assclown Larry Elder, are spewing “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” (I won’t embed the tweet in which he hashtagged it, because it’s an advertisement for the bullshit “Twitchy.”)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:39:46pm

These people are now owned by him. They don’t report anything favorable and without his approval, he identifies them in that photo, and his asshole supporters threaten them and their families with death.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:41:55pm
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Anymouse  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:43:18pm

re: #46 jaunte

Evan McMullin is a dying breed: A Republican who won’t sell out the USA.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:44:18pm

Seriously, is it Ali & Sopan?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:44:52pm

Jeremy Diamond (CNN) is there.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:46:07pm

Notice that he has to have the two shortest guys standing immediately next to him.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:46:33pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Seriously, is it Ali & Sopan?

I want to know, too. I like Sopan’s work but this is grounds for blocking.

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scottslemmons  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:50:38pm

I think we should start asking reporters if they’re familiar with the post-war broadcasting career of William Joyce.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:51:09pm

Dopp is a reporter for Bloomberg

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:54:14pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:55:31pm

Rogue One, btw? O.M.G.

And if you’re one of those poor unfortunate souls who does not know every line in Episode IV, it may be worth watching it before going to see Rogue One.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 8:55:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:00:57pm

Marc Caputo is gonna dislocate something with all of his frantic defending the people in that photo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:02:01pm

lovely…

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retired cynic  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:03:39pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

lovely…

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!!!!!! GAG ME!

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:04:00pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:04:48pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dick Cheney. Paging Dick Cheney.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:05:12pm

re: #47 Anymouse

Y’all are killing me with this willingness to accept this garbage at face value. Evan McMullin contributed to this situation. The fact that he’s potentially remorseful *now* is slightly more interesting to me than Glenn Beck’s about face. McMullin entered the race to give another outlet for Rs who didn’t want to vote Trump to vote something other than Clinton. Remember when it looked like Clinton could do some damage in Utah? THAT’S when he entered the race. While he was running, his rhetoric was as dishonest and ‘Democrats are the Enemy, Repeal Obamacare, Drill Baby Drill’ as any other crappy R politician. A quote from his website:

Hillary Clinton is a corrupt career politician who has recklessly handled classified information in an attempt to avoid accountability and put American lives at risk including those of my former colleagues. She fails the basic tests of judgment and ethics any candidate for President must meet. Moreover, she only offers stale economic ideas like the same old top-down government control that has brought us eight years of historically low growth.

His position on the issues are still all bad, just because he’s willing to take shots at Trump on twitter doesn’t mean y’all should be letting him co-opt your energy and attention.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:06:52pm

re: #52 scottslemmons

I think we should start asking reporters if they’re familiar with the post-war broadcasting career of William Joyce.

Interesting that that fascist’s last speech included the phrase “May Britain be great once again.”

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Joe Bacon  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:06:53pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

lovely…

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Gosh, no Powerball or MegaMillions tickets tossed in as well?

I’m shocked…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:09:30pm

re: #61 GlutenFreeJesus

Dick Cheney. Paging Dick Cheney.

With or without quail?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:09:49pm

My reply to Charles’ earlier tweet seems to have struck a nerve with at least a dozen people who have liked or retweeed it.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:10:03pm
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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:10:36pm

Baldly Corrupt Eagle

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scottslemmons  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:10:44pm

re: #63 Jebediah, RBG

Interesting that that fascist’s last speech included the phrase “May Britain be great once again.”

I think someone here pointed out that phrase was also included early on by the fascist government in Alan Moore’s “V for Vendetta” graphic novel…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:17:57pm

re: #62 Bass Reeves

It’s like Deadbeat Joe Walsh. I have no problem with him melting down at people who you’d think would be allies. To wit, yesterday he blasted Lumpy as a ‘dumbass’ at a public forum, and it was pretty amusing to see such hot wingnut-on-wingnut action.

Let Joe do that as often as possible. It doesn’t mean that I endorse him in the least, or be willing to give him the time of day.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:18:47pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marc Caputo is gonna dislocate something with all of his frantic defending the people in that photo.

He’s trying convince us that off-the-record is all A-OK and very common, so no worries, mon. But, as I tweeted in reply to him and Oliver Willis, off-the-record is properly used and agreed to when there is some on-the-record opportunities first. For example, the public figure may give a press conference about some matter, then meet with a subset of reporters for an off-the-record (or a background) session which is not for attribution. The guidelines vary, but generally the source will tell the reporters, “You can use this information, but it has to be attributed to an anonymous source.” He or she may also tell them they can’t publish something, but it’s OK if they know it so their reporting can be more informed.

A public figure like Trump should not go months without a press conference or any other on-the-record op with reporters. The press should have not agreed to an off-the-record nature of the meal without demanding an on-the-record session to along with it. Nothing on-the-record? Thanks, but no thanks for off.

By all rights, they should have refused the free meal, too.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:20:11pm
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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:21:06pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:21:41pm

re: #67 jaunte

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They have their type/er very wealthy rubes.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:22:50pm

re: #70 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I agree, but that’s not the way McMullin is getting treated right now. Look at that tweet chain from Gus earlier with all the self-proclaimed liberals fawning over a guy who wants to get rid of the ACA for ideological reasons (McMullin) popping harmless shots at the guy who will get rid of the ACA because people like McMullin told him to and he just doesn’t care (Trump).

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:24:02pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea

And if you only give them $25,000, they call you a turkey.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:32:45pm

Ali Vitali was there. Betcha that is her.

There is a problem. Usually the press is dealing with a sane person. Access is fine, normal, manageable. With scoops & photos.

Now they are in bed with a disturbed person. Wonder how much prep & instruction was given before they were able to enter the gold room?

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Bass Reeves  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:33:18pm

re: #75 Bass Reeves

I want to clarify my thought process, because I reread all that I wrote before and I don’t intend to scold.

Russia doesn’t give two figs what we do with things like healthcare, LBGTQ rights, criminal justice reform, etc. They only want the US weakened, and our attention diverted from the plays they are making in their neck of the woods. The stuff we in the US are worried about right now isn’t going to be implemented by Russians, but Republicans. McMullin isn’t arguing for rights to protect the powerless here, he’s arguing that fucking over Americans should be done without regard to foreign influence. I happen to agree wholeheartedly with that statement, but I also agree with Trump that pants go on your legs. Feel me?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:41:49pm

OT, but Zsa Zsa’s last husband was an … interesting fellow.
en.wikipedia.org

I want to say gigolo, but I don’t know all the details of his several previous marriages.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:45:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:49:33pm

re: #80 jaunte

An 800 person wait list!

Suuuuure.

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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:50:24pm

re: #75 Bass Reeves

Believe me that I’m not giving Evan McMullin or David Frum or Glenn Beck or any of the never Trumpers the time of day. They’ve all proven themselves to be utter swine over the years.

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jaunte  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:51:37pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

“Shut up and take mah money!’

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Cheechako  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:56:01pm

Quick question. Does anyone know about what time the EC results will be coming in? Here in Alaska the EC voters meet at 11AM (AK time, 3 PM Eastern). I’m interested in knowing if the west coast electors will have any knowledge of the results of the earlier voting back east. Two AK EC voters are solid trump and the other is trying to walk a fine line demonstrating how thoughtful she is going to be with her voting. Sounds phony.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 18, 2016 • 9:57:42pm

Doesn’t every property with the Trump name on it have a virtual bull’s eye painted on it now? Why would anyone go near one, given the risk?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:00:56pm

re: #78 Bass Reeves

No worries. Evan is what he is. Trump demonizing him (most times not by name) winds up making him a sympathetic figure, thus, the misplaced adoration.

re: #82 teleskiguy

F— those clowns, especially Glenn “The Human Hemorrhoid” Beck.

I must admit that I do have a good deal of respect for Ana Navarro because she totally broke ranks, endorsing and voting for Hillary. She upstaged practically everyone in the “Never Trump” camp… and after trying to slog through reading The Regurgitant earlier this year1, that was an easily attainable goal.

1 I would never do that again.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:01:47pm

re: #85 Resistance Is Not Futile

Doesn’t every property with the Trump name on it have a virtual bull’s eye painted on it now? Why would anyone go near one, given the risk?

If I were a criminal mastermind, I’d be making some plans right about now.

Thing is, most properties carrying the Trump name are not owned by Trump at all. They’ve just leased the name from the organization.

Some hotels formerly named Trump are now going by the Scion name, because their sales were going down.

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prairiefire  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:05:03pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

But he’s in West Palm Beach?

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:05:04pm

re: #87 wheat-dogg

If I were a criminal mastermind, I’d be making some plans right about now.

Thing is, most properties carrying the Trump name are not owned by Trump at all. They’ve just leased the name from the organization.
.

I know that. You know that. But I expect most people don’t, so the virtual target is still there (and just the name might be enough temptation).

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:06:51pm

re: #85 Resistance Is Not Futile

Doesn’t every property with the Trump name on it have a virtual bull’s eye painted on it now? Why would anyone go near one, given the risk?

Add to that Trump’s utter disinterest in intel briefings. Gee, what could go wrong?

The cynic in me would say that he would welcome an attack at any of the chintzy hotels or resorts that bear his name or the “Scion” name, so he could wage war with whomever… even if it’s an internal war.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:08:59pm

re: #89 Resistance Is Not Futile

I know that. You know that. But I expect most people don’t, so the virtual target is still there (and just the name might be enough temptation).

It’s a matter of time before somebody attacks some Trump-branded property somewhere in the world. Once he gets the wrong people angry at us, or at him, they will retaliate.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:12:13pm

re: #91 wheat-dogg

It’s a matter of time before somebody attacks some Trump-branded property somewhere in the world. Once he gets the wrong people angry at us, or at him, they will retaliate.

It could be much earlier than we think.

And what’s to say that New York City doesn’t eventually impose eminent domain on Trump Tower out of the obvious security fears? (There actually was a WaPo op-ed earlier this week detailing how that is actually feasible.)

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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:12:31pm

-20° C

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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:25:15pm

re: #92 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It could be much earlier than we think.

And what’s to say that New York City doesn’t eventually impose eminent domain on Trump Tower out of the obvious security fears? (There actually was a WaPo op-ed earlier this week detailing how that is actually feasible.)

Having the First Family or a subset thereof living in Midtown is an accident waiting to happen. Besides the security issues, there’s the traffic snarls, the foot traffic around nearby businesses, and the daily cost for the City to provide NYPD surveillance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:26:43pm

NYC eminent domaining Trump Tower would be a beautiful thing.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:28:02pm

I hate Moore, too:

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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 10:50:59pm
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:42:03pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon

And the same Armstrong Williams who tried to force himself on several men as well…

washingtonpost.com

I checked out Armstrong’s wiki page… someone needs to update it regarding the groping lawsuit. :)

My big cat, Stewie (aka: Buff Cat) is bugging me to go back outside but nope… the raccoon he was getting ready to wrestle is long gone now. He’s been chasing off raccoons for the last couple of years now but I do try to keep it to a minimum. One night I heard a racket and looked out to see him and his buddy Marley chasing two raccoons across the street. So “Mrrr?” away big guy… you’ll get another chance tomorrow.

In the meantime I’ll load up the pellet gun so I can remind this raccoon why it’s not a good idea to hang around here… I know him as he’s missing his tail and has been around a few other times over the years.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:44:39pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:52:15pm

re: #99 Dave In Austin

“Fear of the other.” Conservatives - especially conservatives that voted for Trump - are being fed this awfulness non-stop. Trump voters are being told by the pro-Trump media that those who didn’t vote for him are “other.” Conservatives that thought that Obama was dividing folks in the United States are completely oblivious to the “othering” that’s going on. People who didn’t vote for Trump are now targets for harassment. It’ll get much worse before it gets better.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:55:39pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:56:11pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

“Fear of the other.” Conservatives - especially conservatives that voted for Trump - are being fed this awfulness non-stop. Trump voters are being told by the pro-Trump media that those who didn’t vote for him are “other.” Conservatives that thought that Obama was dividing folks in the United States are completely oblivious to the “othering” that’s going on. People who didn’t vote for Trump are now targets for harassment. It’ll get much worse before it gets better.

One other reason why those journalists in the photograph should have refused to pose with El Trumpero.

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teleskiguy  Dec 18, 2016 • 11:57:40pm

The Trump years are going to be hell for anybody that doesn’t toe the Trump line. Conservatives are already circling the wagons (see @JonahNRO) and reveling in their new power. More randoms are calling me “faggot” and “cuck” in my Twitter mentions. The horrible people are empowered, emboldened.

Fuckin’ Cheeto Jesus hasn’t even been sworn in yet.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:00:56am
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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:04:07am

God Bless America, Land Of The Free

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Alyosha  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:07:01am

re: #104 teleskiguy

A reminder that soft power isn’t weakness. A rifle to the head of an old lady just telegraphs insecurity.
The very thing Trump wants us to return to.

In the pursuit of projecting ‘strength’.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:08:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:27:34am

re: #24 Dave In Austin

You still in Austin? Got a lot of Lizards here it seems.

Especially of the Lounge variety

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:30:18am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump throwing fundraiser day after inauguration.
Donors can win a chance to “Hunt with the Trumps for $1 million”

How much for the “White Elephant” package?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:32:06am

re: #78 Bass Reeves

I want to clarify my thought process, because I reread all that I wrote before and I don’t intend to scold.

Russia doesn’t give two figs what we do with things like healthcare, LBGTQ rights, criminal justice reform, etc. They only want the US weakened, and our attention diverted from the plays they are making in their neck of the woods.

And higher oil prices. And nothing raises oil prices faster than political instability and threats of military force in and around oil-producing regions…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:35:45am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And higher oil prices. And nothing raises oil prices faster than political instability and threats of military force in and around oil-producing regions…

Did you read this piece on Medium about the carbon bubble?
medium.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:40:52am

Bana and family are out of Aleppo.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:56:20am

My contribution to truth in tweeting:

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2016 • 2:18:55am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

lovely…

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And autographed guitars by a performer to be named later….

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 2:29:45am

For your viewing pleasure, a 4K timelapse vid of the Besky Mountains - my neighborhood, such as it were.

Beskydy | 4K timelapse film

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 2:37:22am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

And here’s the Jesenik Mountains.

JESENIKY 4K

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:05:21am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Very nice!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:08:54am

Let me just say the group photo above was taken by a crappy photographer with a shitty camera, and everyone has flashbulb eyes. It’s a typical hostage “proof of life” photo except how do you know if they are really alive?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:09:05am

re: #117 wheat-dogg

Very nice!

Here’s a 26 minute documentary - all in Czech without subtitles - about the Jesenik Mountains and surrounding areas. From ČT2, earlier this year. Gives a nice idea of the neighborhood.

Krajinou domova - divoké Jeseníky

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:24:00am

Just finished episode 3 of The Man in the High Castle season 2. Still an excellent series, but a bit chilling considering the current political situation.

I had to double check, but the character of The Man in the High Castle (Abendsen) is played by Stephen Root, who was Milton in Office Space.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:29:21am

re: #120 wheat-dogg

Just finished episode 3 of The Man in the High Castle season 2. Still an excellent series, but a bit chilling considering the current political situation.

I had to double check, but the character of The Man in the High Castle (Abendsen) is played by Stephen Root, who was Milton in Office Space.

No spoilers, please! I will not get to start watching season 2 until later this week…

My older brother and I totally binged the first series last spring.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:38:14am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No spoilers, please! I will not get to start watching season 2 until later this week…

My older brother and I totally binged the first series last spring.

That’s not much of a spoiler, but I’ll be careful in the future.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:41:29am

re: #122 wheat-dogg

That’s not much of a spoiler, but I’ll be careful in the future.

I read the book…so I kinda guess that the title character would make an appearance.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:48:10am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read the book…so I kinda guess that the title character would make an appearance.

Root’s a bit older now, and it took me a while to figure out who he was. Good choice for the role.

I’m trying to spread out the episodes over several days, but it’s difficult to resist bingeing out.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:51:55am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Let me just say the group photo above was taken by a crappy photographer with a shitty camera, and everyone has flashbulb eyes. It’s a typical hostage “proof of life” photo except how do you know if they are really alive?

Happy Birthday!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 3:52:40am

re: #124 wheat-dogg

Root’s a bit older now, and it took me a while to figure out who he was. Good choice for the role.

I’m trying to spread out the episodes over several days, but it’s difficult to resist bingeing out.

Well, I was visiting my niece, who has Amazon Prime, so bro and I decided to take full advantage of it.

I will be visiting relatives over Xmas who also have it…they have been warned!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:00:16am

re: #120 wheat-dogg

Just finished episode 3 of The Man in the High Castle season 2. Still an excellent series, but a bit chilling considering the current political situation.

I had to double check, but the character of The Man in the High Castle (Abendsen) is played by Stephen Root, who was Milton in Office Space.

I was waiting for “Where’s my Stapler??” I’m almost done with the same episode. I find it a bit unnerving considering the circumstance. I hate Nazis.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:02:09am

re: #120 wheat-dogg

I’ve seen Stephen Root in a lot of stuff, Justified, Fringe, The Big Bang Theory, and loved him in everything!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:08:11am

re: #128 Timothy Watson

He’s done voice acting, too. But I’ve not followed the shows you mention closely, so I’ve missed most of his on-screen gigs.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:18:15am

Reading this review of how the American press covered Mussolini and Hitler as they rose to power makes me uneasy.

smithsonianmag.com

When Hitler’s party won influence in Parliament, and even after he was made chancellor of Germany in 1933 - about a year and a half before seizing dictatorial power - many American press outlets judged that he would either be outplayed by more traditional politicians or that he would have to become more moderate. Sure, he had a following, but his followers were “impressionable voters” duped by “radical doctrines and quack remedies,” claimed The Washington Post. Now that Hitler actually had to operate within a government the “sober” politicians would “submerge” this movement, according to The New York Times and Christian Science Monitor. A “keen sense of dramatic instinct” was not enough. When it came to time to govern, his lack of “gravity” and “profundity of thought” would be exposed.

Sound familiar?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:26:19am

re: #73 jaunte

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Just read it. I agree with the Cervantes quote at the beginning. It should tell us a lot about Trump—the company he keeps. I know this is really nit-picking, but when an article has such deep research it would really behoove the editors to, well, edit. Many typos, at least two unfinished sentences. Otherwise, chilling how Trump and his brood have managed to stay in the money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:32:44am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

Just read it. I agree with the Cervantes quote at the beginning. It should tell us a lot about Trump—the company he keeps. I know this is really nit-picking, but when an article has such deep research it would really behoove the editors to, well, edit. Many typos, at least two unfinished sentences. Otherwise, chilling how Trump and his brood have managed to stay in the money.

I thought that the press might figure out that DT is ratings gold regardless of whether they are fawning over him or dragging him over the coals.

But now that it he is in, it is all about fawning for access.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:39:10am

re: #46 jaunte

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Hope there are enough regular republicans to fight back against these freaks. I really have my doubts.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:40:31am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought that the press might figure out that DT is ratings gold regardless of whether they are fawning over him or dragging him over the coals.

But now that it he is in, it is all about fawning for access.

I don’t imagine Mark Halperin will be calling him a “dick” on air.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:42:02am

So, following the Education Secretary who wants to shut down all public schools and the Labor Secretary who wants to fire workers, here’s the Budget Director who doesn’t want to spend money==>

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:44:08am
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:44:44am

re: #130 wheat-dogg

Reading this review of how the American press covered Mussolini and Hitler as they rose to power makes me uneasy.

smithsonianmag.com

Sound familiar?

The thing that many who are downplaying Trump’s chances as a lawmaker are forgetting is that our system is easy to subvert in time of crisis. Lincoln put the kibosh on Habeus Corpus during the duration of the Civil War and even jailed reporters for saying things critical of the war effort. During both World Wars, the government clamped down on civil liberties in the name of “national security.” And we’re all pretty familiar with the various assaults on our civil liberties during the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Trump simply has to follow on the model of the GOP after 9/11, attacking the patriotism of any Democrats who oppose their efforts to seize power immediately after a terrorist attack or national tragedy and stoking popular opinion against any who suggest that their seizure of power is anything but a legitimate effort to “save” America.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:45:34am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

So, following the Education Secretary who wants to shut down all public schools and the Labor Secretary who wants to fire workers, here’s the Budget Director who doesn’t want to spend money==>

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The “Freedom Caucus,” a name that would give Orwell giggles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 4:47:39am

re: #138 Targetpractice

The “Freedom Caucus,” a name that would give Orwell giggles.

I see they have removed the photo of a Depression-era breadline from their Facebook page.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:02:01am

re: #137 Targetpractice

Trump simply has to follow on the model of the GOP after 9/11, attacking the patriotism of any Democrats who oppose their efforts to seize power immediately after a terrorist attack or national tragedy and stoking popular opinion against any who suggest that their seizure of power is anything but a legitimate effort to “save” America.

And the press will be along for the ride, and those who criticize DT too openly will receive death threats from “impassioned” supporters…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:12:54am

re: #113 wheat-dogg

My contribution to truth in tweeting:
… shortage of NO2

Nitrous oxide is N2O.

/chem geek

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:26:26am

“And the Vichy press corps celebrates the newfound spirit of friendship and cooperation with the new leadership.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:27:00am

This is utterly horrifying

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:29:39am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And higher oil prices. And nothing raises oil prices faster than political instability and threats of military force in and around oil-producing regions…

This. Putin needs oil prices to rise in the worst way. Donald’s budget ideas depend on the same thing. Coincidence?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:31:36am
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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:39:48am

re: #141 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Nitrous oxide is N2O.

/chem geek

Damn! In my defense, I mostly taught physics, and only rarely had to teach chem. But I looked at NO2 and hesitated, thinking it didn’t look right, but was too lazy to check my hunch.

Oh, well. My chem creds are now shot to hell on Twitter forever. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:40:19am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:51:41am

re: #99 Dave In Austin

“Rep. Hal Turing” is fortunately not real.

Unfortunately, most Republicans are just as equally deranged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:53:22am
President-elect Donald Trump met with reporters for 30 minutes Sunday night at his Palm Beach resort for an off-the-record session.

Attendees included Hallie Jackson of NBC, Mike Allen of Axios, Ali Vitali of NBC, Jeremy Diamond of CNN and Adrian Carrasquillo of BuzzFeed.

snip

Reporters appear mostly dressed up for the Mar-a-Lago meeting, though some were without ties and even in plaid.

nypost.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:54:32am

Many people are saying this is Ivanka as a teenage model. [Possibly NSFW]

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

I have no idea if this girl is Ivanka.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:56:17am

re: #150 wheat-dogg

Many people are saying this is Ivanka as a teenage model. [Possibly NSFW]

I have no idea if this girl is Ivanka.

No clicking on that, no how, the public photos of teenage Ivanka and Daddy are horrifying enough.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:56:35am

re: #150 wheat-dogg

Many people are saying this is Ivanka as a teenage model. [Possibly NSFW]

I have no idea if this girl is Ivanka.

Well, if it is Trending on Twitter, it must be real news!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 5:59:13am

re: #150 wheat-dogg

First time I saw that photo I thought it looked like a young Wife of Frankenstein. Same facial expression.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:00:33am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

No clicking on that, no how, the public photos of teenage Ivanka and Daddy are horrifying enough.

It’s B&W of a sexy girl with dark hair wearing a thong and a sheer top. More FHM than Playboy.

If it is Ivanka, I have the uncomfortable feeling Trump has the photos stashed somewhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:00:46am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

First time I saw that photo I thought it looked like a young Wife of Frankenstein. Same facial expression.

yes, creepy

coked-out creepy

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:01:19am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

First time I saw that photo I thought it looked like a young Wife of Frankenstein. Same facial expression.

More like sexy daughter of Frankenstein

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Lupin  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:02:41am

I’d like to pitch a re-remake of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE where at the end, after being exposed as a mole, the Candidate goes on to become President, no one truly gives a sh*t and a happy ending is had for (nearly) all.

TINKER TAYLOR SOLDIER SPY’s new ending might see Bill Haydon promoted Foreign Secretary.

Why, I can see a heap of Hollywood movies remade in those terms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:03:46am

re: #156 wheat-dogg

More like sexy daughter of Frankenstein

same thing in this case…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:04:50am

re: #154 wheat-dogg

It’s B&W of a sexy girl with dark hair wearing a thong and a sheer top. More FHM than Playboy.

If it is Ivanka, I have the uncomfortable feeling Trump has the photos stashed somewhere.

We don’t need that when we already have:

1. Photo of Ivanka, about 12, in bed, bare legs, Daddy is giving her a “goodnight kiss” while holding a phone to his ear.

2. Ivanka, about 14, wearing short shorts, sitting next to Daddy on a concrete sculpture of 2 parrots fucking.

3. Ivanka, about 13, high high heels, hugging Daddy in the back seat of a limo.

4. Ivanka, about 15, wearing short shorts & halter top, sitting on Daddy’s lap at a private Beach Boys concert.

There are all POSED PHOTOS meaning Daddy is proud of them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:05:55am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

What, who doesn’t want a day-long Ted Nugent and Kid Rock marathon? //////////////////

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:06:28am

Blithering idiot who thinks Trump got rich without any taxpayer assistance==>

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:08:07am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

I’ve seen those. They’re disturbing. The more recent one of Barron sitting on his mother’s lap taking her photo like a fashion (or p0rn) shoot is equally laden with sexual innuendo.

The dynamics in this family are just fucking weird.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:08:09am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Blithering idiot who thinks Trump got rich without any taxpayer assistance==>

Calvinism lives on in America. Those who are rich are the elect, their wealth is an outward expression of inner grace.

It has been used to turn poor people on other even poorer people since the 18th century.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:09:32am

re: #162 wheat-dogg

I’ve seen those. They’re disturbing. The more recent one of Barron sitting on his mother’s lap taking her photo like a fashion (or p0rn) shoot is equally laden with sexual innuendo.

The dynamics in this family are just fucking weird.

He’s not sitting on her lap but he is standing between her legs for a “close up”

Very, very creepy and disturbing.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:09:36am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Blithering idiot who thinks Trump got rich without any taxpayer assistance==>

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Trump cheated NYC taxpayers. He’s underpaid taxes in every jurisdiction he’s had developments.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:10:31am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Calvinism lives on in America. Those who are rich are the elect, their wealth is an outward expression of inner grace.

It has been used to turn poor people on other even poorer people since the 18th century.

Yes, this is really what we’ve been behind the “American Dream” anomaly of the post-WWII years.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:10:44am

re: #164 The Vicious Babushka

He’s not sitting on her lap but he is standing between her legs for a “close up”

Very, very creepy and disturbing.

Yeah, I misspoke. Also the objects on the sofa reminded me of condom wrappers.

0_o

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:11:16am

BTW that photo of the Trump at breakfast where it looks like somebody is grabbing Barron under the table?

That’s just Barron’s foot. No under the table weirdness.

But the breakfast table looks like what the French aristocracy sat at until the tumbrels came to take them away.

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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:11:52am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Calvinism lives on in America. Those who are rich are the elect, their wealth is an outward expression of inner grace.

It has been used to turn poor people on other even poorer people since the 18th century.

It is, simply put, the most heinous & insidious heresy of protestantism and continues to manifest itself in different ways like the whole prosperity gospel evil.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:12:20am

working from home this morning, I happened to switch on the TV just in time for a Halperin Hectorin’. “I have not seen one bit of introspection from any Democrats over their loss.” Click.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:16:01am

From now on, anybody who has an (R) by their name should be expanded to (Russia).

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:16:14am

When I first heard about the N2O shortage I did not suspect an accident, I thought unheard of demand… and not for canned whip creme.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:18:21am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

BTW that photo of the Trump at breakfast where it looks like somebody is grabbing Barron under the table?

That’s just Barron’s foot. No under the table weirdness.

But the breakfast table looks like what the French aristocracy sat at until the tumbrels came to take them away.

What better way to show you’re a man of the people than decorating your midtown Manhattan penthouse like the Sun King’s Chateau Versailles?

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sagehen  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:20:00am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Calvinism lives on in America. Those who are rich are the elect, their wealth is an outward expression of inner grace.

It has been used to turn poor people on other even poorer people since the 18th century.

I can hire half the working class to kill the other half
—J P Morgan

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:20:28am

re: #169 William Lewis

It is, simply put, the most heinous & insidious heresy of protestantism and continues to manifest itself in different ways like the whole prosperity gospel evil.

Yes, it teaches us that the only way we can instill self-reliance and initiative to poor people is to deny them any access to any form of government assistance.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:21:02am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Whip it good!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:22:46am

re: #174 sagehen

I can hire half the working class to kill the other half
—J P Morgan

Jay Gould said that. Maybe he could offer the killers health plans or something.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:23:11am

The electors are meeting today to “finalize” the election. Here is an article from Newsworks. The complaints of the electors is that they are getting bags of mail asking them to vote for “anyone except Trump.” According to the article they are not going to vote against who they are pledged to. newsworks.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:24:11am
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jeffreyw  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:25:03am

Good morning!

Imgur


The newest Overlord (Understudy First Class)
NTBDL

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:26:05am

re: #180 jeffreyw

Awww. That is a beautiful picture.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:28:18am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, it teaches us that the only way we can instill self-reliance and initiative to poor people is to deny them any access to any form of government assistance.

If you read A Christmas Carol as a theological critique, it’s clear Dickens was condemning Scrooge’s ultra-Calvinism for a more charitable kind of Christianity. The three spirits are part of Scrooge’s “road to Damascus.”

Nowhere in the text does he refer to Jesus by name. Bob Cratchit, in retelling Tiny Tim’s remarks about going to church, only obliquely refers to Jesus’ miracles. The Ghost of Christmas Present refers to his 1,800 or so brothers who came before him.

Modern day Christian writers would have hammered Jesus’ name home on every single page.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:28:29am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:29:52am

re: #182 wheat-dogg

If you read A Christmas Carol as a theological critique, it’s clear Dickens was condemning Scrooge’s ultra-Calvinism for a more charitable kind of Christianity. The three spirits are part of Scrooge’s “road to Damascus.”

Nowhere in the text does he refer to Jesus by name. Bob Cratchit, in retelling Tiny Tim’s remarks about going to church, only obliquely refers to Jesus’ miracles. The Ghost of Christmas Present refers to his 1,800 or so brothers who came before him.

Modern day Christian writers would have hammered Jesus’ name home on every single page.

Why is Donald Trump not rotting away in debtor’s prison?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:30:27am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:30:42am

re: #182 wheat-dogg

If you read A Christmas Carol as a theological critique, it’s clear Dickens was condemning Scrooge’s ultra-Calvinism for a more charitable kind of Christianity. The three spirits are part of Scrooge’s “road to Damascus.”

Nowhere in the text does he refer to Jesus by name. Bob Cratchit, in retelling Tiny Tim’s remarks about going to church, only obliquely refers to Jesus’ miracles. The Ghost of Christmas Present refers to his 1,800 or so brothers who came before him.

Modern day Christian writers would have hammered Jesus’ name home on every single page.

Dickens was actually very progressive. His commentary on the United States (American Notes) not only calls out slavery but also the racism that prevailed throughout the North.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:33:36am

Good morning!

I didn’t get a chance to comment on the photo, etc., last night before I logged out.

First off…what a crappy photo. Was that taken by someone with a smart phone? You’d think they could have someone at least get a decent exposure to get some damn light in the room. Or, how about a pro that has a halfway decent camera?

Second…I am so freaking sick of the “thumbs up” bullshit. What a stupid cliche.

That is all for now…off to read through some of the thread.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:33:51am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is Donald Trump not rotting away in debtor’s prison?

Laws are a great deal more lenient than in those days. Back then, even the well-to-do were sent to Marshalsea. for failing to pay their bills, but they could stay in a cushy section with decent food and even servants.
en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:34:56am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Dickens was actually very progressive. His commentary on the United States (American Notes) not only calls out slavery but also the racism that prevailed throughout the North.

Don’t forget his Martin Chuzzlewit, based loosely on Thomas Jefferson, “who dreamed of Freedom in a slave’s embrace”…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:36:10am

re: #5 mmmirele

No souls there, I don’t think.

And to the person who says A&E doesn’t have good programming, I’d like to offer up Leah Remini’s current series on Scientology. As a long-time observer/critic of the space-alien cult of greed and power, I never in my life thought I’d ever see such an expose on television. It’s apparently so popular that Remini and a few other participants will participate in a special Q&A session tomorrow (Monday) night.

Seriously, you don’t even know how happy it makes me to see Scientology set back.

It is excellent. Catching up with on demand.

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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:36:31am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, it teaches us that the only way we can instill self-reliance and initiative to poor people is to deny them any access to any form of government assistance.

Worse it teaches that the poor are damned no matter what the elect do for them - that the elect can only give them a respite from damnation. Jesus would spit in the faces of these supposed elect.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:37:25am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Dickens was actually very progressive. His commentary on the United States (American Notes) not only calls out slavery but also the racism that prevailed throughout the North.

Dickens and his family experienced hardships few of us have had. I’m sure it colored his view of life, religion and humankind.

He’s by far my favorite British author. I think I’ve read all his novels, but not his non-fiction works. And my Christmas tradition is to watch A Christmas Carol at least once — the Alastair Sim version and the Patrick Stewart version.

Also Die Hard, which Dickens did not script.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:39:56am

re: #187 ObserverArt

I am so freaking sick of the “thumbs up” bullshit. What a stupid cliche.

It also shows what a stumpy, disfigured little thumb he has.

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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:40:22am

re: #192 wheat-dogg

Also Die Hard, which Dickens did not script.

I don’t know, Sgt. Al Powell could well have been straight out of a Dickens story.

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darthstar  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:41:59am

Okay, the fact that everyone got eye-flash in that pic does make it look like the Stepford Press Pool.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:42:37am

re: #194 William Lewis

I don’t know, Sgt. Al Powell could well have been straight out of a Dickens story.

LOL. Yes!

OK, I have to call it a night. Morning classes and all await me. Only one more week until the term ends!!

I’m not gonna hold my breath about the EC doing anything dramatic. It’ll be SNAFU.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:42:38am

re: #165 wheat-dogg

And Trump got tax payer money set aside for small businesses damaged during 9/11.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:44:19am

re: #197 Patricia Kayden

And Trump got tax payer money set aside for small businesses damaged during 9/11.

Yes he did. And he also came down to Ground Zero, have an interview to German TV, and demanded police spare some of the crew digging in the WTC debris to come and guard Trump Tower.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:52:47am

re: #187 ObserverArt

Good morning!

I didn’t get a chance to comment on the photo, etc., last night before I logged out.

First off…what a crappy photo. Was that taken by someone with a smart phone? You’d think they could have someone at least get a decent exposure to get some damn light in the room. Or, how about a pro that has a halfway decent camera?

Second…I am so freaking sick of the “thumbs up” bullshit. What a stupid cliche.

That is all for now…off to read through some of the thread.

Maybe the pros took a hard pass on even being involved with it. Or they weren’t even invited.

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jeffreyw  Dec 19, 2016 • 6:57:21am

re: #181 PhillyPretzel

He was dumped on a neighbor a few days ago, she brought him by because she knew Mrs J volunteered at a shelter. He’s very friendly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:05:23am

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on President-elect Donald Trump (all times local):

9:15 a.m.

President-elect Donald J. Trump has picked Vincent Viola as secretary of the Army. Viola is the founder of several businesses, including Virtu Financial, an electronic trading firm. He also owns the National Hockey League’s Florida Panthers and is a past chairman of the New York Mercantile Exchange.

In a statement Monday, Trump said Viola is “living proof of the American dream.” Viola grew up in a family of Italian immigrants in Brooklyn. His father worked as a truck driver.

Viola is a 1977 West Point graduate. He trained as an Airborne Ranger infantry officer and served in the 101st Airborne Division. He is a graduate of New York Law School. In 2003, he founded and helped fund the creation of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Viola bought the Panthers for about $250 million in 2013.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:08:31am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And if we check, he probably made a large donation to the Trump campaign.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:09:35am

re: #202 Targetpractice

That is how he seems to be doing it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:12:38am

re: #187 ObserverArt

First off…what a crappy photo. Was that taken by someone with a smart phone? You’d think they could have someone at least get a decent exposure to get some damn light in the room. Or, how about a pro that has a halfway decent camera?

That low-quality photo does prevent many of us from immediately recognizing who’s in the photo. That cannot be an accident.

Second…I am so freaking sick of the “thumbs up” bullshit. What a stupid cliche.

It makes Siskel and Ebert’s “two thumbs up” trademark brilliant in retrospect.

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Lupin  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:15:09am

In the new remake of CHRISTMAS CAROL, Scrooge calls on the Ghostbusters (the real ones, the ones with dicks). The end.

In the remake of IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE, plucky Mr Potter has a horrible nightmare about some kind of communist inferno where a drunkard talks to invisible friends on a bridge, but fortunately he wakes up and can enjoy his plans to turn the town he just repossessed into a golf course.

I’m starting to see the potential for new trumpized versions of old classics.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:17:17am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

At least his first name isn’t $teve… ////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:22:32am

re: #205 Lupin

In the new remake of CHRISTMAS CAROL, Scrooge calls on the Ghostbusters (the real ones, the ones with dicks). The end.

In the remake of IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE, plucky Mr Potter has a horrible nightmare about some kind of communist inferno where a drunkard talks to invisible friends on a bridge, but fortunately he wakes up and can enjoy his plans to turn the town he just repossessed into a golf course.

I’m starting to see the potential for new trumpized versions of old classics.

And in the Grinch who Stole Christmas, the press and conservative pundits rationalize that the Grinch’s heart is in fact normal size, and those with larger ones are somehow defective…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:22:46am

re: #103 teleskiguy

The Trump years are going to be hell for anybody that doesn’t toe the Trump line. Conservatives are already circling the wagons (see @JonahNRO) and reveling in their new power. More randoms are calling me “faggot” and “cuck” in my Twitter mentions. The horrible people are empowered, emboldened.

Fuckin’ Cheeto Jesus hasn’t even been sworn in yet.

How many times have we seen this played out before in history. They’re already sloshed on the poisoned Kool-Aid.

Jim Jones would be envious right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:26:53am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:28:34am

Look who shares my birthday:

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:29:29am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

And a very happy birthday to you.

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b.d.  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:33:15am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Look who shares my birthday:

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I hope you have a great birthday Vicious Babushka!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:33:23am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:34:42am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kissinger dropped his glasses in the toilet again.

The Simpsons - Homer with glasses

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Lupin  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:35:14am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And in the Grinch who Stole Christmas, the press and conservative pundits rationalize that the Grinch’s heart is in fact normal size, and those with larger ones are somehow defective…

PINOCCHIO. The market on selling live puppets is deregulated in response to lobbyists entrepreneurs Foxx and Katt’s pleas. The coal miners are replaced with asses, and the DOE is in charge of, er, “recruiting” more asses for the coal industry.

THE GREAT ESCAPE. Ruthless terrorists try to escape fun reeducation camp. A happy ending.

Endless, I tell you, endless.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:38:54am

esquire.com

“I swear to god, he’s going to show up on Channel 231 on my cable package one day, selling me cubic zirconia from Trump Mines.” Charlie Pierce

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:39:21am

re: #215 Lupin

PINOCCHIO. The market on selling live puppets is deregulated in response to lobbyists entrepreneurs Foxx and Katt’s pleas. The coal miners are replaced with asses, and the DOE is in charge of, er, “recruiting” more asses for the coal industry.

THE GREAT ESCAPE. Ruthless terrorists try to escape fun reeducation camp. A happy ending.

Endless, I tell you, endless.

PETER PAN: The Darling children, the Lost Boys and the Tigerlilly Tribe are all captured by the pirates and sold into perpetual slavery. The End.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:43:03am

Heh! Remember that photo of DT walking toward all the “southern belles” dressed in crepe paper gowns, with his arms out?

JuanitaJean: “I wonder which one is Jeff Sessions? Oh shuddup, you were thinking the same thing.”

juanitajean.com

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Lupin  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:46:37am

SNOW WHITE: Miners’ union ruled illegal, mine is acquired by Russian conglomerate and miners are replaced by toys from TOY STORY. Dwarves are made homeless, Dopey dies from overdose. The enchanted forest is turned into a golf course. $5 tickets to look at glass coffin with trollop inside in the lobby of Trump Enchanted Forest Lodge Hotel. Worst apple pie ever. The End.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:50:27am

FROZEN: goofy snowman proves once and for all that climate change is a hoax. The End.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 7:57:21am

LORD OF THE RINGS: Sauron gains the Ring, Middle Earth is plunged into darkness. The Shire is obliterated.

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Jenner7  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:00:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:01:48am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

FROZEN: goofy snowman proves once and for all that climate change is a hoax. The End.

Princess sent to chock conversion therapy over her unaccountable fondness for her sister…

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:04:23am

Greets and saluts from the cold NYC metro area. Avoided the black ice scourge this morning thankfully as enough of the snow/ice on the roads melted away yesterday before the cold air came sweeping back in.

And Trump’s twits are busy on Twitter making all sorts of pronouncements over how the economy and nation will be great again, and that the economy was destroyed before but will be excellent going forward.

There’s so much baffling BS this morning that my feed has been overwhelmed with dumbassery that my block button is getting a workout.

1) If you think Democrats destroyed the economy, explain the sub 5% unemployment, DJIA, S&P 500 and Russell 2000 all near or above historical highs, corporate profits are soaring, and low inflation. All of that can’t be BS stats - especially since ADP and other private sector stat gathering entities are reporting solid economic conditions for most of the country. The places where things get shaky? GOP controlled states like KS and NJ, where tax cuts have put their state budgets in peril, and the safety net is in jeopardy.

2) These are the same people who caught the vapors when the Obamas noted that there was a history of racism and bigotry that we must address in the US, but when you point out people being bigots and racists now - that’s the deplorable thing.

3) Making America Great Again. It’s already great, warts and all - and striving to make it better and more inclusive doesn’t mean things are getting worse. White angry guys who think others getting rights they’ve had all along aren’t losing any rights or privileges, but they sure are making sure that others wont be able to exercise their rights - through voter ID and other suppression methods - which also hit poor white folks too (since there are far more poor whites in sheer numbers than any other demographic of poor even if PoC are disproportionately poor).

4) There will be no reprieve from Trump because the EC will vote to confirm the election outcome that Trump won the EC. There’s no easy fix, short of a constitutional amendment to fix. Don’t expect the GOP to go along with any of this, since they’ve now benefited twice in the past 8 elections of winning the EC despite losing the national popular votes by significant margins.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:06:22am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

Rogue 1: Galactic terrorists strike against defense establishment. Lose.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:06:30am

TANGLED: Mother Goethel synthesizes the essence of the youth flower, makes a line of shampoo and beauty creams from it, MAKES A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY, becomes a billionaire, Rapunzel runs off with Eugene and they live a life of petty crime. Sad! Losers!

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sagehen  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:10:00am

SNL — Jingle Barack (for the last good Christmas for awhile)…

Hulu Video

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:10:51am

GONE WITH THE WIND:

Southern Democrats keep blacks on the “Plantation” (Seven Oaks) until a GOP-led Army of Liberation marches through, frees them, and teaches them principles of personal initiative and self-reliance by turning them out to fare as sharecroppers.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:12:19am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

LORD OF THE RINGS: Sauron gains the Ring, Middle Earth is plunged into darkness. The Shire is obliterated., with Sandyman as mayor-for-life, becomes an industrialized company town, with Hobbits as piece workers.

Fixed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:13:34am

re: #229 Resistance Is Not Futile

Fixed.

That’s actually what happens at the end of the book (“The Scouring of the Shire”) but Peter Jackson didn’t include it in the movie because he thought it was too much of a downer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:14:25am

Oh no

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:14:32am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

That’s actually what happens at the end of the book (“The Scouring of the Shire”) but Peter Jackson didn’t include it in the movie because he thought it was too much of a downer.

I thought it was because there were too many endings!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:16:01am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

That’s actually what happens at the end of the book (“The Scouring of the Shire”) but Peter Jackson didn’t include it in the movie because he thought it was too much of a downer.

They had to keep the plot line moving ahead to squeeze it all into ten hours…

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Bass Reeves  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:16:27am

re: #224 lawhawk

3) Making America Great Again. It’s already great, warts and all - and striving to make it better and more inclusive doesn’t mean things are getting worse. White angry guys who think others getting rights they’ve had all along aren’t losing any rights or privileges, but they sure are making sure that others wont be able to exercise their rights - through voter ID and other suppression methods - which also hit poor white folks too (since there are far more poor whites in sheer numbers than any other demographic of poor even if PoC are disproportionately poor).

Look, I really like America. I’d have a hard time giving a full-throated defense of America’s moral greatness over time. Great in size and influence on world events, yes. Great as in…we do things that are good because they are good…I’m going to say outside of the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement, and electing Obama, we’ve been pretty effing murky. Case in point, I give you one DJT. Please, take him.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:22:20am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

That’s actually what happens at the end of the book (“The Scouring of the Shire”) but Peter Jackson didn’t include it in the movie because he thought it was too much of a downer.

In the book, Sandyman was overthrown, the original mayor was restored, and the hobbits went back to their agrarian paradise (with Samwise as mayor, eventually).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:22:29am

re: #234 Bass Reeves

Look, I really like America. I’d have a hard time giving a full-throated defense of America’s moral greatness over time. Great in size and influence on world events, yes. Great as in…we do things that are good because they are good…I’m going to say outside of the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement, and electing Obama, we’ve been pretty effing murky. Case in point, I give you one DJT. Please, take him.

I truly admire the American virtues of self-reliance and individual initiative.

When investors collectively pool their resources to maximize profits, that is praised and held up as the very soul of capitalism.

But when workers or consumers pool their interests to maximize their bargaining power, that sort of collectivism is seen as the very antithesis of self-reliance and individual initiative and is frowned upon and held up as one of the main reasons that the American economy is faltering…

I fail to see how individuals and families with limited incomes and assets can be expected to negotiate on equal terms with multi-million (billion) dollar (inter)national companies for employment, insurance or financial services.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:23:31am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They had to keep the plot line moving ahead to squeeze it all into ten hours…

Now, now! I gave myself a present for Christmas: the Blu-Ray Extended Edition of LOTR. (I’d worn out the DVD edition. So now you know my secret!)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:24:28am

re: #237 retired cynic

Now, now! I gave myself a present for Christmas: the Blu-Ray Extended Edition of LOTR. (I’d worn out the DVD edition. So now you know my secret!)

I have the extended version, but not on Blu-Ray

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:24:30am

Al Jazeera now reporting the assasination attempt against the Russian ambassador in Turkey. Ambassador actually shot, according to local media.
aljazeera.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:25:25am
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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:26:47am

re: #237 retired cynic

Now, now! I gave myself a present for Christmas: the Blu-Ray Extended Edition of LOTR. (I’d worn out the DVD edition. So now you know my secret!)

The movie diverges so far from the book that I can barely watch it, but I looove the visuals (and all those documentaries about putting it all together).

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:28:43am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Oh no

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Damn. This stuff is getting to be a bit out of hand.

If “they” (unknown) are going after a Russian ambassador and just last week or so Turkey arrested/captured Trumps business partner…this has the potential to be getting way out of hand.

All we need now is Putin and Trump to gang up and go after Turkey. Well, not needed of course, but needed if you want a large world conflict.

Not good.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:29:00am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Al Jazeera now reporting the assasination attempt against the Russian ambassador in Turkey. Ambassador actually shot, according to local media.
aljazeera.com

Unfortunately, I can’t say that I’m shocked.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:29:23am

re: #241 Resistance Is Not Futile

The movie diverges so far from the book that I can barely watch it, but I looove the visuals (and all those documentaries about putting it all together).

They are just two different versions. I’ve worn out my book set of LOTR, too, and have the other Tolkien books, and LOVE the documentaries. If I was young, I would want to be a color-grader. Sigh.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:30:16am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Damn. This stuff is getting to be a bit out of hand. … Not good.

Not good at all.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:31:38am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Damn. This stuff is getting to be a bit out of hand.

If “they” (unknown) are going after a Russian ambassador and just last week or so Turkey arrested/captured Trumps business partner…this has the potential to be getting way out of hand.

All we need now is Putin and Trump to gang up and go after Turkey. Well, not needed of course, but needed if you want a large world conflict.

Not good.

Even worse: the likelihood of one NATO country (who has repeatedly dismissed the alliance publicly) waging war on another NATO country.

Who does the rest of NATO support? Turkey or the antagonist United States?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:32:24am

re: #241 Resistance Is Not Futile

The movie diverges so far from the book that I can barely watch it, but I looove the visuals (and all those documentaries about putting it all together).

There are a few scenes where they frigging nail it in the sense that it looks almost identical to the way I imagined it in my head when I read the books as a teenager.

For that, I will forgive the parts they left out or reworked to the point of unrecognizability.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:33:54am

re: #246 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Even worse: the likelihood of one NATO country (who has repeatedly dismissed the alliance publicly) waging war on another NATO country.

Who does NATO support?

Oil prices go up, and that gets blamed on Obama for not having done more drilling and not having built more pipelines.

Win-win solution!!!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:36:07am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oil prices go up, and that gets blamed on Obama for not having done more drilling and not having built more pipelines.

Win-win solution!!!

Except that Article 5 of NATO could be invoked against the United States if Trump is as reckless as we damn well know he will be.

And that’s not factoring OPEC, who broke the price of oil last year, and wouldn’t hesitate to do so again.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:36:09am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Putin will find someone willing to go on camera to “confess” that he’s an American agent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:38:33am
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BigPapa  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:40:01am

Saw this and had to share in the big Lizard Hole because it makes me LOL:

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:40:54am

Regarding the assassination attempt against the Russian Ambassador to Turkey:

Russia’s ambassador to Turkey, Andrey Karlov, has been shot at an art exhibition in the Turkish capital of Ankara, Russian embassy sources have confirmed to the Daily News.

Karlov was shot by a gun while making a speech at a painting exhibition in the Turkish capital, the embassy said, adding that it believed that it was a radical Islamist attack.

The attack comes one day before Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu heads to Moscow for talks on Syria with his Russian and Iranian counterparts.

Private broadcaster CNN Türk said Karlov was in a critical state.

Meanwhile, private broadcaster NTV said three other persons were also injured inthe attack.

Broadcaster CNN Turk said the attacker might be still inside the building and that Karlov had not yet been removed to hospital.

Hürriyet reporter Haşim Kılıç, who was at the scene during the attack, said attendants at the exhibit ran away after the attacker fired into the air. The attacker then targeted Karlov, Kılıç said.

Special forces surrounded the building in preparation for an operation amid the sound of gunshots, witnessed confirmed.

Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu also arrived at the scene.

hurriyetdailynews.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:43:09am

re: #249 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Except that Article 5 of NATO could be invoked against the United States if Trump is as reckless as we damn well know he will be.

And that’s not factoring OPEC, who broke the price of oil last year, and wouldn’t hesitate to do so again.

No need for wild speculation. This appears to be a terrorist attack so its not going to start a war between Turkey and Russia, much less including the US.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:45:29am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST ARTICLE YOU WILL READ ALL DAY
(Some guy gives up modern technology but wants The Internet to know about it)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:46:21am

He’s going to live without a “washing machine” I take it he is not married. Good luck with that.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:48:26am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

He’s going to live without a “washing machine” I take it he is not married. Good luck with that.

When I moved into my apartment here a few years back, it didn’t have a washing machine and at the time, there was no laundromat here in town. I had to wash my clothes by hand.

It’s a pain in the ass, to put it mildly. I finally got a washing machine after a few weeks.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:49:28am

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

No need for wild speculation. This appears to be a terrorist attack so its not going to start a war between Turkey and Russia, much less including the US.

That’s a sane perspective.

Needless to say sanity is an endangered species RN, and risks total extinction over the coming weeks/months.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:50:17am

Condition unknown. Attackers are unidentified at this point.

Attack occurred in a NATO member nation with the Russian ambassador being shot. This is exactly the kind of thing that goes directly to the President’s attention (and if there were warnings of threats that were picked up in chatter, they too would have been included potentially in the PDB). You know, those things that Trump doesn’t care to follow too closely.

So, now we’ve got a potential crisis situation and Trump’s first reaction is usually to spout off on twitter with some nonsense. Measured responses are what are needed until more information is available.

Not for nothing - a whole lot of end-term shenanigans are going on, which makes you think that America’s enemies and rivals are trying to get a feel for what Trump will do without the consequences of Trump in the WH at the moment, since Obama still gets to make the decisions until 1/20.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:51:43am

welp

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sagehen  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:52:44am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST ARTICLE YOU WILL READ ALL DAY
(Some guy gives up modern technology but wants The Internet to know about it)

[Embedded content]

“It destroys our relationship with the natural world.”

That’s kinda the point. Our relationship with the natural world sans technology is freezing to death, being eaten by a bear or succumbing to disease.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:53:36am

The video of the shooting is already out there. Horrific.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:53:44am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Damn. This stuff is getting to be a bit out of hand.

If “they” (unknown) are going after a Russian ambassador and just last week or so Turkey arrested/captured Trumps business partner…this has the potential to be getting way out of hand.

All we need now is Putin and Trump to gang up and go after Turkey. Well, not needed of course, but needed if you want a large world conflict.

Not good.

Maybe we won’t get involved (at least not right away), but I expect Russia to retaliate, and as part of the retaliation Trump’s builder buddy will be freed.

I’d put nothing past Putin right now. He knows he’s completely unchecked at this point. Obama won’t risk a world war, and when Trump takes office he’ll look the other way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:53:48am

re: #261 sagehen

“It destroys our relationship with the natural world.”

That’s kinda the point. Our relationship with the natural world sans technology is freezing to death, being eaten by a bear or succumbing to disease.

Kinda makes you wish this guy would freeze to death or get eaten by a bear, but he chose to go off grid in the UK.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:54:00am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp

Benedict O’Keefe.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:55:18am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:55:26am

re: #261 sagehen

“It destroys our relationship with the natural world.”

That’s kinda the point. Our relationship with the natural world sans technology is freezing to death, being eaten by a bear or succumbing to disease.

Back to the good ol’ days when people took a bath once a year.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 8:56:34am

re: #250 GlutenFreeJesus

Putin will find someone willing to go on camera to “confess” that he’s an American agent.

To what end? Putin doesn’t want to go to war with the country he’s just captured.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:00:25am

OK, sci-fi fans; teaser trailer just dropped for Blade Runner 2049.

BLADE RUNNER 2049 Official Teaser Trailer (2017) Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford Sci-Fi Movie HD

Starring Harrison Ford and Ryan Gosling, directed by Denis Villeneuve.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #266 lawhawk

Unfortunately, between their hijacking our election, and their mass murder in Aleppo, I really can’t feel any concern for the Ambassador.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:02:58am

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

Hope Roger Deakins finally gets a goddamn Oscar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:03:58am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:05:03am

re: #268 makeitstop

To what end? Putin doesn’t want to go to war with the country he’s just captured.

The Republicans would not wage war with Russia.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:05:27am

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I saw the video; that is indeed the shooter.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:07:01am

re: #271 JasonA

Hope Roger Deakins finally gets a goddamn Oscar.

Yeah - hell, just look at his resume. It’s damned impressive, to say the least.

imdb.com

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:09:55am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russians love @Project_Veritas.

Amazing, that.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:11:30am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:12:06am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Being interviewed by Russia 1 TV abt election & @georgesoros.

That’s an amazing amount of derp in one short sentence.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:12:42am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

2016 not done with the world yet.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:12:44am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

Erdogan purged moderate elements out of the police force.

Looks like that backfired.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:14:18am

This picture…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:16:17am

re: #281 JasonA

Boy, the opposition in Turkey has been handed a massive gift, on a silver platter.

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Jenner7  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:16:51am
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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:17:42am

re: #282 Ziggy_TARDIS

Boy, the opposition in Turkey has been handed a massive gift, on a silver platter.

How so?

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:18:46am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:20:03am

re: #284 JasonA

Well, after the failed-coup/false-flag coup, Erdogan and his acolytes purged the moderates, secularists, and Kurds out of many public institutions, including the Police. Leaving behind mostly Islamists of various flavours.

It doesn’t matter if this guy was Islamist or not, they could use this to show the failings of Erdogan.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:21:11am

I won’t post it, but there’s footage of him actually being shot.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:22:36am

Good lord.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:22:38am
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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:23:32am

2016 is determined to fuck with everyone on the planet.

The Mayans were off by 4 years. /

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:24:53am

Death ray man gets 30 years.

A New York industrial mechanic convicted of attempting to produce a mobile X-ray device intended to kill Muslims has been sentenced in federal court to 30 years in prison.

Fifty-two-year-old Glendon Scott Crawford, of Galway, also was ordered Monday by Judge Gary L. Sharpe to undergo a lifetime of supervised release after serving the sentence.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:24:55am

re: #290 lawhawk

2016 is determined to fuck with everyone on the planet.

The Mayans were off by 4 years. /

By the time Trump’s done, progress in the US will be off by 50.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:26:04am

re: #290 lawhawk

Why you have sarc tag?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:26:22am

So is Trump going to want to go to war against NATO-ally in order to protect Russia?

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:27:51am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

So is Trump going to want to go to war against NATO-ally in order to protect Russia?

I dunno. Is that how this plays out? I can’t predict shit right now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:29:15am

Has EC officially rubber stamped America’s First GodKingEmperor?

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b.d.  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:29:21am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

So is Trump going to want to go to war against NATO-ally in order to protect Russia?

He’ll just recall all US ambassadors in Muslim countries.

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b.d.  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:29:55am

re: #297 b.d.

He’ll just recall all US ambassadors in Muslim countries.

As a safety precaution, of course.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:30:40am

This isn’t 1914, and millions of people could die in a war between now and January 21, 2017.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:31:29am

re: #268 makeitstop

To what end? Putin doesn’t want to go to war with the country he’s just captured.

Just me reaching. Did not see it being a cop.

But I would have seen it as payback for us calling them out for meddling in our election.

As it appears now, there’s going to be pushback worldwide against Russian intervention in Syria.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:31:34am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Has EC officially rubber stamped America’s First GodKingEmperor?

so far I’ve seen Arkansas (5), West Virginia (5) and Kentucky (8) EC votes all for Trump.

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b.d.  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:32:02am

re: #299 Emptor scriptor Remorse

This isn’t 1914, and millions of people could die in a war between now and on January 21, 2017.

fify

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:33:22am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

And then, after having a chatty photo op selling out whatever integrity they’d ever had to Trump, as the “press” dined on cold meats, Trump branded swill water and packaged chips, Trump and his entourage left to go have dinner at his “club.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:34:03am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:34:40am

re: #291 Emptor scriptor Remorse

He should be in front of the firing squad.

Bad night last night. Feeling grrr.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:34:54am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh. Well that’s not comforting.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:36:38am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

So is Trump going to want to go to war against NATO-ally in order to protect Russia?

Trump is totally dismissive of NATO, so I expect that to happen.

Not that the Republican Party United Russian Party of the Americas would care to begin with.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:37:28am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, shit.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:40:37am

Sums up where my thoughts are leading.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:41:17am

Any statement from Kremlin West yet?

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Franklin  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:42:30am

re: #310 makeitstop

Any statement from Kremlin West yet?

Trump Tower?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:42:40am

re: #310 makeitstop

Any statement from Kremlin West yet?

“The ambassador is Dead! Unpresidented!”

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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:44:48am
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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:46:28am

re: #313 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Of course the one hour old tweet on top is OLD news.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:48:38am

re: #311 Franklin

Trump Tower?

Same diff.

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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:49:06am

Video of the murder, SFW

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:49:38am

re: #309 JasonA

I am going to have to agree with Ziggy, Erdogan owns this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:51:06am

Can we predict Trump’s Tweets?

THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN ONCE I AM IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:51:46am

Gunman was 22 years old.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:52:00am

re: #317 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I am going to have to agree with Ziggy, Erdogan owns this.

If it is indeed confirmed that the assassin was a cop, then Turkey’s intel services fucked up big time. This guy slipped through the cracks undetected.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:52:58am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

It will be sold as the exact opposite.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:55:29am

re: #321 Emptor scriptor Remorse

It will be sold as the exact opposite.

Erdogan will claim the Gülen Organization or Islamic State is behind this. It’s clearly not the PKK in this instance.

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:56:08am

re: #321 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Obama’s fault, no doubt about it.

Just waiting for the official Trump tweet to confirm.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:56:17am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 19, 2016 • 9:59:17am

re: #314 wrenchwench

Of course the one hour old tweet on top is OLD news.

At least the Beeb understands the proper use of “Breaking,” unlike other swamp dwellers.

(apologies to actual dweller in swamps)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:00:23am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST ARTICLE YOU WILL READ ALL DAY
(Some guy gives up modern technology but wants The Internet to know about it)

I appreciate the Amish ethic that rejects technology wherever it is unnecessary: they see our main task in life as loving, helping and caring for each other. Anything that distracts us from those purposes is superficial and is to be shunned.

I am not as extreme as they are when it comes to technology, but I do think about whether the technologies I embrace and the things I purchase and use are at least to some extent conducive to those ends.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:01:36am

re: #259 lawhawk

Andrey Karlov’s condition is unknown. He was immediately transported to a local hospital

Any word from his brother Boris, or is he too wrapped up in his career and keeping mum on the issue?

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:01:46am

re: #290 lawhawk

2016 is determined to fuck with everyone on the planet.

The Mayans were off by 4 years. /

2016 is just preparing us for 2017.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:03:43am

re: #328 Skip Intro

2016 is just preparing us for 2017.

“If you thought 2016 sucked balls, just wait a couple more weeks!! 2017’s gonna blow your mind!!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:04:33am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I appreciate the Amish ethic that rejects technology wherever it is unnecessary: they see our main task in life as loving, helping and caring for each other. Anything that distracts us from those purposes is superficial and is to be shunned.

I am not as extreme as they are when it comes to technology, but I do think about whether the technologies I embrace and the things I purchase and use are at least to some extent conducive to those ends.

The Point of No Return falls between flip phones and smart phones.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:05:15am

America right now

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:05:43am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

so far I’ve seen Arkansas (5), West Virginia (5) and Kentucky (8) EC votes all for Trump.

That one Texas elector might be the only one to break ranks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:05:52am

re: #286 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well, after the failed-coup/false-flag coup, Erdogan and his acolytes purged the moderates, secularists, and Kurds out of many public institutions, including the Police. Leaving behind mostly Islamists of various flavours.

It doesn’t matter if this guy was Islamist or not, they could use this to show the failings of Erdogan.

Unfortunately, guys like that do not fail, they are failed…

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:07:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:07:21am

re: #332 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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That one Texas elector might be the only one to break ranks.

Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina, all voted DT.

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JasonA  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:07:48am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

“If you thought 2016 sucked balls, just wait a couple more weeks!! 2017’s gonna blow your mind!!”

“You’ll never believe what happens in June!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:08:41am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to be doing stuff with the Democrats for the foreseeable future.

First order of business is to keep the Berners down.

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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:08:50am

re: #332 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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That one Texas elector might be the only one to break ranks.

I wish I could be surprised. But watch more electors defect from Hillary than Trump, because, you know, she’s History’s Greatest Goddamn Monster Ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:08:51am

re: #330 Decatur Deb

The Point of No Return falls between flip phones and smart phones.

I still own a Stupid Phone: voice and text only. I currently have no need for a smart one. But if my work required it, I would get one.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:10:04am

re: #338 Citizen K

Again, why the Berners need to be kept down. They are unreliable allies at best.

And I am to their left.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:11:19am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am thinking of getting rid of the “smart” phone. It is nice but it is there is too many functions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:12:15am

re: #341 PhillyPretzel

I am thinking of getting rid of the “smart” phone. It is nice but it is there is too many functions.

exactly my thoughts…I have a tablet for most of them already

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:13:27am

re: #338 Citizen K

I wish I could be surprised. But watch more electors defect from Hillary than Trump, because, you know, she’s History’s Greatest Goddamn Monster Ever.

One elector in Maine has defected from Hillary to Bernie.

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:14:11am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

One elector in Maine has defected from Hillary to Bernie.

Morons to the end.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:14:37am

re: #338 Citizen K

I wish I could be surprised. But watch more electors defect from Hillary than Trump, because, you know, she’s History’s Greatest Goddamn Monster Ever.

Plus the few that get far too clever for themselves.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:15:00am

Movie news. Morpheus and Neo have been spotted together in new John Wick teaser.

Oh, and if you look closely, you’ll see some of the fight scenes are set in the WTC PATH terminal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:17:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:18:26am

of course it’s our fault…

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allegro  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:19:50am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I appreciate the Amish ethic that rejects technology wherever it is unnecessary: they see our main task in life as loving, helping and caring for each other. Anything that distracts us from those purposes is superficial and is to be shunned.

I am not as extreme as they are when it comes to technology, but I do think about whether the technologies I embrace and the things I purchase and use are at least to some extent conducive to those ends.

It isn’t the tools. It’s how you use them.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:21:57am

re: #349 allegro

It isn’t the tools. It’s how you use them.

A quote from Bannon or Trump? /sarc not sarc

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:23:25am

I am ashamed to be a Michigander. Or as they call us in Israel, Michiganers.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:23:42am

We’re nearly halfway through the EC count, and no changes from election night.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:23:58am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

There’s Rold Gold in there too!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:25:50am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course it’s our fault…

[Embedded content]

Oh the prison-planet web dude is a Putin-apologist?

Let me show you my surprise face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:26:26am

Ohio casts all 18 votes for trump

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:28:12am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wish I were surprised but I am not.

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Jack Burton  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:28:58am

re: #352 lawhawk

We’re nearly halfway through the EC count, and no changes from election night.

The only legitimate purpose for their existence is to stop someone like Trump. If they do not do that and they are just a rubber stamp, then they have no purpose, and I’ll drop my support for the existence of the process in favor of popular vote immediately and onward.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

I am ashamed to be a Michigander. Or as they call us in Israel, Michiganers.

[Embedded content]

Reliving the nightmare all over again.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:32:30am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

Today the electors meet to formally declare the end of the “denial” and “bargaining” phases

There will be no acceptance phase.

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allegro  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:36:50am

re: #350 lawhawk

A quote from Bannon or Trump? /sarc not sarc

I was thinking of the use of smart phone cameras/videos that have helped so much to expose police misconduct, etc. Also the way Twitter can be used and has been towards the same positive ends, for instance on the ground reporting from US and world events. I think these tools will be increasingly valuable especially since much of our media has been proven ineffective and propagandist.

But thanks ever so for comparing me to Bannon/Trump.

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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:39:10am

I’ll keep looking…

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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:40:33am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

One elector in Maine has defected from Hillary to Bernie.

Because of course someone would….

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Jack Burton  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:40:59am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio casts all 18 votes for trump

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:42:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:44:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:45:14am

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Imagine if President Obama had 5 kids by 3 different women & admitted to committing sexual assault. But nah, white privilege doesn’t exist.

and multiple bankrupticies.

and had not released his tax returns.

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:45:56am
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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:47:58am
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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:52:11am

Get ready for the ride, folks. This was the excuse Russia needed.

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Franklin  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:54:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:54:15am
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CuriousLurker  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:54:15am
375
wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:55:44am
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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 10:59:58am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio casts all 18 votes for trump

Groan.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:00:28am

re: #364 Jack Burton

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“And I don’t want anybody touching my STUFF. You touch my stuff, I kill ya.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:00:58am
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Thanos  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:04:27am

The Turkish gunman was a plains clothes police officer & reportedly shouted “We won’t let you do those things in Aleppo” .

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:05:08am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

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CONGRESS COULD STILL REFUSE TO CERTIFY THE ELECTORS’ VOTES!!1!1!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:05:12am
382
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:06:53am

re: #370 Citizen K

Get ready for the ride, folks. This was the excuse Russia needed.

The embarrassment of NATO turning on the United States to defend Turkey would be bad enough. Throw in OPEC intentionally collapsing oil prices to ultimately screw Putin over, and Trump by extension (which implodes the oil-powered job market in North Dakota and thereabouts)…

We’re going to have a whirlwind of derp and distractions by Team Trump and his complicit media in a deliberate attempt of cover up.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:06:54am

re: #374 CuriousLurker

Current mood:

[Embedded content]

For me, more like this:

Dawn of the Dead (2004) Opening Titles

except it’s contagious stupidity, not zombies.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:07:24am

I think of Damien in The Omen and O Fortuna starts playing in my head whenever I see his evil spawn Uday & Qusay:

Carl Orff - O Fortuna ~ Carmina Burana

O Fortuna (O Fortune)
velut luna (like the moon)
statu variabilis (you are changeable)
semper crescis (always waxing)
aut decrescis; (and waning;)
vita detestabilis (hateful life)
nunc obdurat (first oppresses)
et tunc curat (and then soothes)
ludo mentis aciem, (as fancy takes it)
egestatem, (poverty)
potestatem (and power)
dissolvit ut glaciem. (it melts them like ice.)

Sors immanis (Fate - monstrous)
et inanis, (and empty)
rota tu volubilis, (you whirling wheel)
status malus, (you are malevolent)
vana salus (well-being is vain)
semper dissolubilis, (and always fades to nothing)
obumbrata (shadowed)
et velata (and veiled)
mihi quoque niteris; (you plague me too;)
nunc per ludum (now through the game)
dorsum nudum (I bring my bare back)
fero tui sceleris. (to your villainy.)

Sors salutis (Fate is against me)
et virtutis (in health)
michi nunc contraria, (and virtue)
est affectus (driven on)
et defectus (and weighted down)
semper in angaria. (always enslaved.)
Hac in hora (So at this hour)
sine mora (without delay)
corde pulsum tangite; (pluck the vibrating strings;)
quod per sortem (since Fate)
sternit fortem, (strikes down the strong)
mecum omnes plangite! (everyone weep with me!)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:07:26am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like the assailant was a White Supremacist using one of those “imposter” accounts.

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:08:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:09:13am

re: #382 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The embarrassment of NATO turning on the United States to defend Turkey would be bad enough. Throw in OPEC intentionally collapsing oil prices to ultimately screw Putin over, and Trump by extension (which implodes the oil-powered job market in North Dakota and thereabouts)…

We’re going to have a whirlwind of derp and distractions by Team Trump and his complicit media in a deliberate attempt of cover up.

Syria is already a prime example of Trump failing before he even takes over: there is no simple, black-and-white, twitter-compatible way to approach the situation there, and that is more than our media and our political system can handle: the level of discourse is too primitive to deal with it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:10:22am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

A brave soul crying out in the wilderness.

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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:10:27am

re: #379 Thanos

The Turkish gunman was a plains clothes police officer & reportedly shouted “We won’t let you do those things in Aleppo” .

Was he assigned to protect the ambassador? An unreliable tweet suggested so…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:10:51am

He’s going to freak out and go on a Twitter rampage if his effigy looks too much like him.

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:11:53am
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wrenchwench  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:12:23am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

He’s going to freak out and go on a Twitter rampage if his effigy looks too much like him.

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Earwax. Tons of earwax.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:13:37am

re: #391 Kragar

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Khaki-stocracy.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:14:20am

re: #391 Kragar

He does not trust gov’t employees?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:15:42am

re: #391 Kragar

…and we’ll still wind up paying the bill. Grifters ‘R Us.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:15:52am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

He does not trust gov’t employees?

Will they be vetted? WTF?

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:16:03am

re: #391 Kragar

[Embedded content]

His own security force???

Well then, how about all the other intelligence agencies that most likely share important data to the Secret Service and the Secret Service themselves say fine…go on ahead and do it all yourself big boy.

See how long it is before someone makes his private force save his fat butt.

398
Bass Reeves  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:16:23am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

I think it’s more like he will charge the government for their expense to the contractor, and take a cut back from the contractor for the business. This guy ain’t ideological.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:16:32am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

He does not trust gov’t employees?

Someone explained that he cannot compel them ALL to sign lifetime NDAs

400
Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:18:34am

re: #396 CuriousLurker

Will they be vetted? WTF?

Will they be paid for by us?

Hell yes they will.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:19:11am

Report that there was a shooting at the US embassy in Ankara moments after the Russian Ambassador was killed.
thesun.co.uk

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:20:04am

re: #401 Scottishdragon

This is getting worse. Not a good omen.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:20:19am
404
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:20:58am

re: #401 Scottishdragon

Report that there was a shooting at the US embassy in Ankara moments after the Russian Ambassador was killed.
thesun.co.uk

State Department has already clarified that there was no separate incident.
The lockdown was in response to the ambassador’s shooting.

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Franklin  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:21:57am
406
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:22:05am

re: #397 ObserverArt

See how long it is before someone makes his private force save his fat butt.

After the last ‘attack’ on tRump, a retired SS person noted that tRumps’s private security is slow. He compared them to the JV team trying to play in a Varsity league.

407
BlueSpotinAL  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:22:09am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

He’s going to freak out and go on a Twitter rampage if his effigy looks too much like him.

[Embedded content]

At least Tussaud’s doesn’t have to make the wax dummy hair look life-like, since it doesn’t on living dummy Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:23:10am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

State Department has already clarified that there was no separate incident.
The lockdown was in response to the ambassador’s shooting.

409
jaunte  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:23:47am

Now with Chanel Pepperspray.

410
Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:24:49am

re: #384 CuriousLurker

I think of Damien in The Omen and O Fortuna starts playing in my head whenever I see his evil spawn Uday & Qusay:

[Embedded content]

Video

O Fortuna (O Fortune)
velut luna (like the moon)
statu variabilis (you are changeable)
semper crescis (always waxing)
aut decrescis; (and waning;)
vita detestabilis (hateful life)
nunc obdurat (first oppresses)
et tunc curat (and then soothes)
ludo mentis aciem, (as fancy takes it)
egestatem, (poverty)
potestatem (and power)
dissolvit ut glaciem. (it melts them like ice.)

Sors immanis (Fate - monstrous)
et inanis, (and empty)
rota tu volubilis, (you whirling wheel)
status malus, (you are malevolent)
vana salus (well-being is vain)
semper dissolubilis, (and always fades to nothing)
obumbrata (shadowed)
et velata (and veiled)
mihi quoque niteris; (you plague me too;)
nunc per ludum (now through the game)
dorsum nudum (I bring my bare back)
fero tui sceleris. (to your villainy.)

Sors salutis (Fate is against me)
et virtutis (in health)
michi nunc contraria, (and virtue)
est affectus (driven on)
et defectus (and weighted down)
semper in angaria. (always enslaved.)
Hac in hora (So at this hour)
sine mora (without delay)
corde pulsum tangite; (pluck the vibrating strings;)
quod per sortem (since Fate)
sternit fortem, (strikes down the strong)
mecum omnes plangite! (everyone weep with me!)

That scares me to death.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:25:49am

re: #397 ObserverArt

His own security force???

Well then, how about all the other intelligence agencies that most likely share important data to the Secret Service and the Secret Service themselves say fine…go on ahead and do it all yourself big boy.

See how long it is before someone makes his private force save his fat butt.

That’d be the point actually. Trump wants to destroy the inner workings of govt, even the competent ones that most people think do a good job. USSS has direct ear to all lines of communications regarding threats against their principals. Trump’s security doesn’t get that tie-in, and he’s likely trying to double dip on getting taxpayers to pay for that security as well. The Secret Service should tell him that his “private” security gets in their way and prevents them from doing their job. What’s ironic is that the Secret Service was called in early by Trump to supplement his own security during the GOP campaign. Clearly Trump thought the Secret Service was needed at some point, but now, he thinks they can’t do the job that they do for every sitting president.

412
Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:26:03am

Anyone else hear that Jerry Falwell Jr. is spending $1 million building a state of the art shooting range at Liberty U? It looks like he got the contract to train Trump’s own Schutzstaffe.

413
ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:26:55am

re: #401 Scottishdragon

Report that there was a shooting at the US embassy in Ankara moments after the Russian Ambassador was killed.
thesun.co.uk

re: #402 PhillyPretzel

This is getting worse. Not a good omen.

I wonder if Russia could be behind this to force their new friend Trump to abandon NATO or at the least eject Turkey? With all the “exits” and the terrorists activity, and now the rearranged politics it is going to be tough maintain old ties and alliances.

Should that be the case…look the hell out. This world will be unhinged like we haven’t seen in 60 or so years. It would allow Russia to mess about in the eastern states with a scrambling NATO, a weakened Turkey and a U.S. government that might not care.

(Just thinking out loud…and hoping I am way off)

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Dave In Austin  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:27:43am

Criminal…..

415
jaunte  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:28:35am

Texas will have no Trumpwall, just the giant barbed wire fantasies of our Trumpistas.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:29:15am

re: #415 jaunte

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Texas will have no Trumpwall, just the giant barbed wire fantasies of our Trumpistas.

I’m glad the Trump GOP isn’t a personality cult or anything.

/

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:29:34am

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

State Department has already clarified that there was no separate incident.
The lockdown was in response to the ambassador’s shooting.

Well, that is good to know.

418
Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:29:35am

re: #409 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Now with Chanel Pepperspray.

Where did they put the BigAss Fry dispenser?

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Scottishdragon  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:30:02am

re: #410 Stanley Sea

This performance is the best:

Carmina Burana ~ O Fortuna | Carl Orff ~ André Rieu

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:31:10am

re: #412 Skip Intro

Anyone else hear that Jerry Falwell Jr. is spending $1 million building a state of the art shooting range at Liberty U? It looks like he got the contract to train Trump’s own Schutzstaffe.

Sounds like a great use of private tuition dollars for Values Voters who like to kill defenseless animals and otherwise be violent.

421
PhillyPretzel  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:31:10am

re: #419 Scottishdragon

Andre Rieu. Yes it is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:32:43am

re: #414 Dave In Austin

Criminal…..

[Embedded content]

Rick Snyder took control away from the EPA and gave it to MDEQ and fucked it all up. LockHimUp

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ericblair  Dec 19, 2016 • 11:59:17am

re: #413 ObserverArt

I wonder if Russia could be behind this to force their new friend Trump to abandon NATO or at the least eject Turkey? With all the “exits” and the terrorists activity, and now the rearranged politics it is going to be tough maintain old ties and alliances.
)

No, this is not possible. Nations can leave NATO voluntarily, but to be kicked out the country would have to agree as well, so it’s not exactly being kicked out. Turkey will never leave NATO, because then Greece would still be in it alone. The reason they’re both in NATO is that they joined at the same time.

The US could leave NATO, but this would be a treaty matter and Congress must agree to it, not just the president. This has been litigated to the Supreme Court during the Carter administration, and Congress is pretty solid on NATO.

I’m more worried about tension with Russia and the US getting out of hand then any sort of happy alliance of authoritarians. All the triumphalism out of Russia is coming from the idiots in the press and the parliament, and if you look at the foreign ministry they’re a lot more careful because it looks like they have some idea of the monster they’ve created. The stupid fucking cheering idiots on Russian TV are going to be singing a different tune after the two thin skinned bullies start pushing each other around.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:10:07pm

A bit more on who was at the Yam’s holiday soul-suck.

According to Calderone at HuffPo, Among the attendees were journalists from The New York Times, CNN, NBC News and Reuters.

huffingtonpost.com

Names we know so far:
Mike Allen (known asshole/good luck with your new media venture)
Hallie Jackson, Ali Vitali, MSNBC/NBC
Adrian Carrasquillo, Buzzfeeed
Jeremy Diamond, CNN
Terrance Dopp. Bloomberg News
Brian Kilmeade, Fox News

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Bass Reeves  Dec 19, 2016 • 12:29:39pm

re: #411 lawhawk

Law, you’re still framing this wrong. Trump didn’t bring in the USSS because he thought he needed the security. He brought in the USSS because 1) it gives him faux legitimacy, and 2) he charged for their upkeep for protecting him. I would guess that was his biggest source of income during the campaign.

Remember, at the core: grifter.


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