Trump Campaign Co-Chair Says He Wants Obama to Die of Mad Cow Disease, Michelle to Live in a Cave With a Gorilla

Disgusting beyond belief

Carl Paladino is a member of the Buffalo school board and the co-chair of Donald Trump’s New York campaign, and he’s also a really vile, racist human being.

And this didn’t just start yesterday; he’s been an outright racist and sexist swine for years. We first wrote about him at LGF in 2010 when he was sending out incredibly ugly emails.

Paladino’s in the news again today because he answered a survey from Buffalo alternative weekly Artvoice with some statements that read like they came from the worst comment section at the worst white supremacist site on the web.

The questions on the survey:

1. What would you most like to happen in 2017?

2. What would you like to see go away in 2017?

3. Who would you like to see run for mayor of Buffalo in next year’s election?

4. Should the new $50 million Amtrak station be at Central Terminal or Canal Side?

And this is how Paladino answered:

1.  Obama catches mad cow disease after being caught having relations with a Herford.  He dies before his trial and is buried in a cow pasture next to Valerie Jarret, who died weeks prior, after being convicted of sedition and treason, when a Jihady cell mate mistook her for being a nice person and decapitated her.

2.  Michelle Obama.  I’d like her to return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla.

3. Someone with a brain, a set of balls and a lack of fear who has enough money so as not to owe anyone anything once elected and who believes in a market economy.

4. We need a $50 million dollar train station as much as we need parasitic people like Lou Ciminelli, 80% of the school board and the dizziness of socialistic progressive politicians who never signed the front of a paycheck.  At best 400 people a day take a train.  They are not complaining about exchange or Depew.  We are already the laughingstock of America for having the dumbest elected leaders ever.  Why add to it.

Ugh. Why does this disgusting creep still have a political career at all? What the hell is wrong with this country?

When the Buffalo News asked Paladino about this gross behavior, here’s how he responded:

Paladino verified to The Buffalo News that he did make the comments, while at the same time slamming News editors for inquiring.

“Of course I did,” he said Friday morning. “Tell them all to go f—- themselves.”

“Tell that Rod Watson I made that comment  just for him,” he continued, referencing one of the News’ black editors who is also a columnist.

A top supporter of Donald Trump, folks.

UPDATE at 12/23/16 11:17:13 am by Charles Johnson

Like most racists when confronted with their own ugly racist comments, Paladino denies there’s anything racist about them:

In a statement to The Post, Paladino denied that the comments were racist.

“It has nothing to do with race,” Paladino said. “That’s the typical stance of the press when they can’t otherwise defend the acts of the person being attacked.”

“It’s about 2 progressive elitist ingrates who have hated their country so badly and destroyed its fabric in so many respects in 8 years,” he added.

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201 comments

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iossarian  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:04:26am

Just don’t call him “deplorable” because apparently that hurts people’s feelings.

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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:04:53am

And because the way this country has gone, he’s probably going to win a seat somewhere precisely because of this exchange.

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:05:52am

What the fuck is a co-chair anyway? Anyone who has done a pie-walk knows there’s no such thing. One chair, one butt.

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S'latch  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:06:53am

The man behind the curtain wants to be friends now.

Trump’s tweet scaring everyone about nuclear war is now explainable by his response that he received a “very nice letter from Vladimir Putin; his thoughts are so correct. I hope both sides are able to live up to these thoughts, and we do not have to travel an alternate path.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:08:40am

On the plus side, a deep cave may save her from nuclear annihilation.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:09:55am

Paladino isn’t just a Trump campaign chair. He’s been involved in the NYS GOP for quite some time, and he ran for governor of NY in 2010. He lost to Cuomo but got more than 1.5 million votes in the process.

He’s hardly unknown in NY. And he’s a bigot leading Trump’s bigot brigade. Has been from the outset.

He’s an obnoxious nutter who thinks that he’s entitled to be a bigot.

Trump is an obnoxious nutter who thinks he’s entitled to be a bigot.

That’s why Paladino supports Trump. It’s about enabling bigots to spew their hate without repercussions.

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:11:09am
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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:16:53am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:17:04am

But don’t call them deplorable. Fuck, I think Clinton was being oto nice with that verbiage. They’re pathetic assholes who embarrass me to share citizenship of this country with.

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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:20:16am

Just when you think you’ve lost all respect for the GOP another ray of shitstain pops up.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:20:45am

Paladino isn’t just some random GOP nutter, but a former candidate for governor of NY.

It’s not simply enough for Democrats to repudiate Paladino’s asinine bigoted BS, but for the GOP to do it too.

They wont, of course, because they rely on bigots like Paladino for support. That’s a significant reason for why they won in November. The bigots didn’t want a woman winning the Presidency, especially on the heels of a black man winning twice.

Enough people bought this BS in enough states for Trump to squeak through with the win.

And Paladino and the bigots now know that being an open bigot and racist wont stop them from being president - or anything else. It’s unleashed a torrent of hate that will not be put back in the bottle.

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scottslemmons  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:21:48am
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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:25:03am
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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:25:38am

More and more, as shit continues to go south in the coming abomination that will be President Trump’s term, I find myself more and more mood swingy and despondent. Mostly because of the talk of Hillary Clinton’s part in all of this, and I realize what has me upset the most: Hillary Clinton has become symbolic of something that I’ve feared and dreaded of before my entire life.

The fear that people just come to think of you as a totally ‘wrong’ person. Not that you have wrong thoughts, or wrong opinions, or wrong actions. Just that you are intrinsically, inherently ‘wrong’. Like your very existence is absolutely athenema to everything people give a shit about, because they have grown to hate you absolutely that much. The idea that you could be so hated and considered ‘wrong’ that any and all attempts to support something instantly has people not only hate you that much more, but hate whatever you’re trying to support, whatever you’re connected to, whatever beliefs you have all that more, even from people who would have agreed to those things if YOU didn’t happen to believe or support them.

THe fear that by your very existence, you harm everything you love or believe in, because everyone hates you. The fear that no matter how hard you try, you will never convince people otherwise, and that everything you do results in things getting worse simply because you are “wrong”. The idea that your very existence is counterproductive and drives people away from things they would normally believe in, simply because of you.

I see what happened to Hillary…and I can’t help but feel like that’s what happened to her now. The fact that Hillary was Hillary meant that everything she stood for became ‘wrong’ and no matter how right people thought it could be, because Hillary stood for it, it meant it was the worst thing ever. The idea that nothing she could have ever done would get people to believe in her or the things she fought for, and in fact drove them away, merely because of her existence.

And the idea of seeing my fears, as colored by depression, anxiety, and admitted paranoia on my part, possibly being taken life in that kind of tangible way, just makes my gut turn.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:26:28am

re: #13 gocart mozart

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Last I saw Clinton wasn’t treating nuclear weapons like play things the way Trump does.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:27:21am

re: #13 gocart mozart

All those idiots who thought Clinton was the warmonger seem to have very short attention spans, and even more limited comprehension of facts and the world around them.

Trump was the one who kept asking why we simply can’t use nukes against our enemies/foes. He’s the one who thinks the US should expand our nuclear arsenal. Trump’s the one who hasn’t got a clue as to what our military capabilities are and how they should be used; he’s the one who thinks that our troops should ignore the Geneva Conventions and engage in war crimes.

But yeah, Clinton’s the bigger threat. Fucking idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:27:58am

re: #11 lawhawk

Paladino isn’t just some random GOP nutter, but a former candidate for governor of NY.

It’s not simply enough for Democrats to repudiate Paladino’s asinine bigoted BS, but for the GOP to do it too.

They wont, of course, because they rely on bigots like Paladino for support. That’s a significant reason for why they won in November. The bigots didn’t want a woman winning the Presidency, especially on the heels of a black man winning twice.

Enough people bought this BS in enough states for Trump to squeak through with the win.

And Paladino and the bigots now know that being an open bigot and racist wont stop them from being president - or anything else. It’s unleashed a torrent of hate that will not be put back in the bottle.

Exactly. Of course, if Paladino is called out on this, he’ll just whine about the PC police but if someone called him something to the effect of a “Guinea piece of shit”, he’d cry bigotry. Paladino and Trump for associating with this bigoted piece of shit need to be hit hard for this. Trump claims he wants to unite the country. Bullshit, as long as he continues to associate with people like Paladino.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:29:02am

re: #16 lawhawk

All those idiots who thought Clinton was the warmonger seem to have very short attention spans, and even more limited comprehension of facts and the world around them.

Trump was the one who kept asking why we simply can’t use nukes against our enemies/foes. He’s the one who thinks the US should expand our nuclear arsenal. Trump’s the one who hasn’t got a clue as to what our military capabilities are and how they should be used; he’s the one who thinks that our troops should ignore the Geneva Conventions and engage in war crimes.

But yeah, Clinton’s the bigger threat. Fucking idiots.

I’d never call Clinton a dove but the way she was treated as a warmonger in the Dick Cheney mold was complete horseshit by that element of the left and the assholes should know it but they don’t because they’re too busy being smug pricks.

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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:30:16am

re: #16 lawhawk

All those idiots who thought Clinton was the warmonger seem to have very short attention spans, and even more limited comprehension of facts and the world around them.

Trump was the one who kept asking why we simply can’t use nukes against our enemies/foes. He’s the one who thinks the US should expand our nuclear arsenal. Trump’s the one who hasn’t got a clue as to what our military capabilities are and how they should be used; he’s the one who thinks that our troops should ignore the Geneva Conventions and engage in war crimes.

But yeah, Clinton’s the bigger threat. Fucking idiots.

But Hillary said it, which means it must have been wrong and Trump must be the exact opposite of what she said. Hillary is the most corrupt, lyingest super-satan in the world, after all.

(People literally fucking voted on this basis).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:32:04am

re: #19 Citizen K

But Hillary said it, which means it must have been wrong and Trump must be the exact opposite of what she said. Hillary is the most corrupt, lyingest super-satan in the world, after all.

(People literally fucking voted on this basis).

I saw many people justify it as “Trump just says mean things, Hillary actually is corrupt.” Fucking idiots deserve what they get with this guy. The rest of us don’t but these people do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:32:25am
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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:33:03am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Clinton is a pragmatist. Using force when necessary. Which is what most presidents understand.

And she also plays by the rules of the nuclear game - rational actor in understanding mutual assured destruction and that there are reasons that no one plays the game - because no one can possibly win. It’s not even worth trying - and the costs would be too high to ever try. The arsenals are there because of a bygone era, and we and the Russians understand that the arsenals are more of a burden than a help. That’s why reducing the size helps both countries. In fact, the reductions help Russia more - because they’re a far poorer nation that can’t afford to continue expending billions on nuclear weapons. It’s cheaper to scrap the oldest weapons and modernize (smaller, more accurate weapons) than to maintain a larger arsenal. Safer too - less that can go wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:34:57am

re: #22 lawhawk

Clinton is a pragmatist. Using force when necessary. Which is what most presidents understand.

And she also plays by the rules of the nuclear game - rational actor in understanding mutual assured destruction and that there are reasons that no one plays the game - because no one can possibly win. It’s not even worth trying - and the costs would be too high to ever try. The arsenals are there because of a bygone era, and we and the Russians understand that the arsenals are more of a burden than a help. That’s why reducing the size helps both countries. In fact, the reductions help Russia more - because they’re a far poorer nation that can’t afford to continue expending billions on nuclear weapons. It’s cheaper to scrap the oldest weapons and modernize (smaller, more accurate weapons) than to maintain a larger arsenal. Safer too - less that can go wrong.

It’s just so frustrating that people obsessed over the Iraq war resolution vote- a mistake IMO but ignored her other efforts. Anyone who actually thought Trump was more a dove than Clinton is for better lack of a term an unintelligent moron.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:36:10am

There’s a bit of an odd situation in my office. We have to use a website to track our time. As of right now, all of us are sitting at 8+hours, even though there are 3.5 hours left in the day. I take it as a sign that the bosses intend to let us leave early, but no one is certain. The only owner here right now is with a client, so we can’t ask him. So, we’re all just sitting around wondering what the hell is going on. I’m just shuffling papers and looking at maps until I find out.

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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:37:19am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

It’s just so frustrating that people obsessed over the Iraq war resolution vote- a mistake IMO but ignored her other efforts. Anyone who actually thought Trump was more a dove than Clinton is for better lack of a term an unintelligent moron.

Not to mention the absurdity of it all, treating her vote like it was the absolute deciding factor of us going into Iraq. That on top of somehow buying Trump’s bullshit about being against the Iraq war is just….

As I’ve said, just abouve everything regarding Hillary was covered with the assumption of “Hillary, therefore evil.”

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:39:22am
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whitebeach  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:40:10am

re: #14 Citizen K

Except that Hillary got approximately three million more votes than Trump. The fault is not in our stars or even in the fucked up perceptions of the reality TV generation, but in our eighteenth-century electoral system.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:40:46am

re: #24 Arkansawyer

There’s a bit of an odd situation in my office. We have to use a website to track our time. As of right now, all of us are sitting at 8+hours, even though there are 3.5 hours left in the day. I take it as a sign that the bosses intend to let us leave early, but no one is certain. The only owner here right now is with a client, so we can’t ask him. So, we’re all just sitting around wondering what the hell is going on. I’m just shuffling papers and looking at maps until I find out.

You are off work!! Leave!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:42:43am

Trumpenpowered (Is that a German word?)

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Arkansawyer  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:42:54am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

You are off work!! Leave!

I would, but there are only 7 people in my department. If I’m not off, then it’ll be quite obvious that I’m gone. One problem with working for a small company.

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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:43:56am

re: #27 whitebeach

Except that Hillary got approximately three million more votes than Trump. The fault is not in our stars or even in the fucked up perceptions of the reality TV generation, but in our eighteenth-century electoral system.

That hasn’t kept the post-election obituaries from doing exactly that to Hillary and her platform, is the thing.

Meanwhile Trump and his cabal are essentially given free reign, no consequences, and you have people still going on about ‘if Democrats weren’t so corrupt and didn’t hate America so much’ bullshit…

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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:45:13am
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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:47:58am

Trump voters—cognitive dissonance:

A record number of people signed up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act for the coming year…the states with the most people selecting coverage all went for Trump in the presidential election: Florida, with just under 1.3 million selections; Texas, with about 776,000; North Carolina, with 369,077; Georgia, with 352,000; and Pennsylvania, with 290,950.

abcnews.go.com
Have fun storming the castle.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:48:28am
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Citizen K  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:49:58am

re: #33 BeachDem

Trump voters—cognitive dissonance:

A record number of people signed up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act for the coming year…the states with the most people selecting coverage all went for Trump in the presidential election: Florida, with just under 1.3 million selections; Texas, with about 776,000; North Carolina, with 369,077; Georgia, with 352,000; and Pennsylvania, with 290,950.

abcnews.go.com
Have fun storming the castle.

To be fair, some of those might be non-Trump voters seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in on things.

Meanwhile, you have states like Kentucky, where Kynect is popular, people want it and people use it, and yet they easily re-elected people there that literally ran on dismantling it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:50:39am

Goddamn, these Trump voters are such dim-witted nasty knuckle-draggers.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:54:04am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Think the word you’re looking for is… deplorable.

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ipsos  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:54:45am

re: #33 BeachDem

This is to be expected, though - those numbers (I’m guessing) only reflect registration on the federal healthcare.gov site, and most of the blue states that went most heavily for Clinton have their own exchanges and therefore wouldn’t show up in those federal exchange numbers. Right?

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:56:01am

re: #38 ipsos

This is to be expected, though - those numbers (I’m guessing) only reflect registration on the federal healthcare.gov site, and most of the blue states that went most heavily for Clinton have their own exchanges and therefore wouldn’t show up in those federal exchange numbers. Right?

Absopositively right—just thought it was an interesting note.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:56:28am

re: #37 lawhawk

Think the word you’re looking for is… deplorable.

Execrable. But basket of execrables doesn’t roll off the tongue.

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 11:58:57am

RIGHT. FUCKING. ON. OBAMA!

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:01:22pm

BTW, before wingnuts start screaming, it should be noted that their beloved new mother-from-another-fucker Russia also holds veto power on the UN Security Council.

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:01:52pm

re: #40 Blind Frog Belly White

Execrable. But basket of execrables doesn’t roll off the tongue.

Basket of deplorables sounds like they need darning. Execrables sounds like you need to get out the Phisoderm.

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:01:53pm

BTW, I’m trademarking “mother-from-another-fucker” and want fucking royalties if it goes viral.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:02:24pm
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Thanos  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:06:09pm

re: #44 darthstar

BTW, I’m trademarking “mother-from-another-fucker” and want fucking royalties if it goes viral.

My wallett? IT’s the one that says “B A M F A F”

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Jack Burton  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:06:15pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Trumpenpowered (Is that a German word?)

Nein. Nächste Frage.

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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:06:31pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

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When I think of nukes + Rick Perry I think… we’re all gonna fucking die.

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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:09:11pm
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unproven innocence  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:11:21pm

re: #44 darthstar

BTW, I’m trademarking “mother-from-another-fucker” and want fucking royalties if it goes viral.

fucking royalties™
Yur too late! :)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:14:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:19:16pm

I get tired of the ‘by opposing something that should be opposed, you empower the extremists’ arguments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:19:59pm

re: #35 Citizen K

To be fair, some of those might be non-Trump voters seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get in on things.

Meanwhile, you have states like Kentucky, where Kynect is popular, people want it and people use it, and yet they easily re-elected people there that literally ran on dismantling it.

Kynect is gone. Bevin promised to kill it and he did.

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Weaselone  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:24:48pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

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Damn. And those pragmatists were just about to finally accomplish something after 50 years.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:28:04pm

Don’t know if the US abstaining on UN vote re Israel settlements is right or wrong, good or bad - but I do know that Netanyahu went to Trump instead of Obama asking for veto. Big mistake. And not the first time. He needs to say the hell out of our politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:29:34pm

imagine my surprise…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:31:48pm

This is a thumb in the eye of Bibi who went for Trump. He chose poorly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:37:13pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:39:33pm

American voters = The Idiocracy, Part 212:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:42:59pm

US support for settlement building has always been a hypocritical paradox, in my opinion. The land these settlements are built on is supposed to be the eventual Palestinian state, which the US also supports. I’ve never understood how these two facts can be reconciled. Either the settlements have to stop going up, or admit there’s never going to be a “two-state solution.”

Trying to have it both ways is an unsustainable contradiction.

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Weaselone  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:47:35pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

I suspect that after he takes office, Trump and the Republicans will make it clear that the official policy is Israel can do whatever it want regarding the Palestinians.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:49:36pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

imagine my surprise…

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Fuck off Joe.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:51:32pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

American voters = The Idiocracy, Part 212:

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Idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:52:21pm

re: #57 The Vicious Babushka

This is a thumb in the eye of Bibi who went for Trump. He chose poorly.

It’ll be a good day when Bibi is out of power. The way he’s treated Obama is awful and disgusting.

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Belafon  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:56:24pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

American voters = The Idiocracy, Part 212:

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These voters were hoping he would change things without them having to look at their own actions. They don’t want to look and see that they’re voting for the people hurting them. They’re hoping Trump wI’ll blow it all up so we can start over. But they really don’t have a clue what is about to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:57:44pm

The thing is sexism does exist on the left too and no doubt HRC received it.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:57:54pm

Obama hasn’t forced Israel into talks with the Palestinians.

Obama hasn’t demanded elections by the Palestinians (they’re long overdue, following Bush demanding a vote - and getting Hamas and a subsequent Palestinian civil war where Hamas controls Gaza and Fatah controlling the West Bank).

Obama hasn’t stood in the way of Israeli arms deals (and signed a massive deal, including sales of F-35 JSFs to Israel).

But he did abstain from the UN resolution on Israeli settlements.

Not helpful, but hardly the end of the world for Israel.

Israel does have to deal with the settlements at the end of all this. But it requires parties that want peace - and Hamas is more interested in the status quo than peace. Fatah’s Abbas isn’t willing for peace either, but for different reasons. I’m not convinced Bibi wants peace either, though most Israelis would just like for there to be peace because that’s good for business. The absence of conflict has been good for both Palestinians and Israelis, even if it isn’t official peace.

Israel has a lot of issues with demographics too, and settlements are one way to address them, but it’s at the expense of the Palestinians. In the end, settlements are housing, and Israel has dealt with housing and borders before.

Israel withdrew from Sinai and evacuated settlements. Peace followed.
Israel made peace with Jordan without land withdrawals.
Israel withdrew from Gaza and evacuated settlements. Peace did not follow.

That’s the lesson learned - the last lesson. Land does not equal peace, and it’s the one extremists in Israel have taken to heart, even though they also know the demographics don’t favor them (and more precisely, they don’t favor secular Israelis). The burden of defense is falling on smaller group of Israelis and it’ll be impossible providing security to Israel with a burgeoning Palestinian population. It’s just not feasible, and at some point Oslo wont help even with civil administrative control shifted to the Palestinian Authority.

Bibi has shown no willingness to make peace.
Abbas has shown no willingness to make peace.
Hamas’ leaders have shown no interest in peace.

The status quo is what we’ll get until some leader breaks the mold (as Sadat, Begin, Rabin, or Arafat did with varying degrees of willingness/success), and actually moves ahead with tangible and actual peace efforts.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 12:59:53pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

imagine my surprise…

Joe Scarborough ✔ @JoeNBC
Of course it does. To the end, Barack Obama undercuts friends like Israel and embraces enemies like Iran and Cuba.


2:37 PM - 23 Dec 2016
410 410 Retweets 492 492 likes

Joke who?

I feel so much better having changed my early morning programming. No more Morning Joke first half hour. I don’t know if I can watch video of them anymore. Well maybe if they are being ripped for a crappy show.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:00:40pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

imagine my surprise…

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Good for President Obama.

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Weaselone  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:03:37pm

re: #67 lawhawk

It’s going to be tough. Land might not guarantee peace, but given the web of settlements in the West Bank a viable Palestinians state in the West Bank is impossible without it. Without a viable state, I don’t see any pathway to peace.

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Belafon  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:05:24pm

re: #65 Belafon

Democrats will need to show these people early and often what is going on. And bring the stories home to their districts. And the local groups need to figure out how to get the message out in areas not represented by Democrats.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:07:25pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

US support for settlement building has always been a hypocritical paradox, in my opinion. The land these settlements are built on is supposed to be the eventual Palestinian state, which the US also supports. I’ve never understood how these two facts can be reconciled. Either the settlements have to stop going up, or admit there’s never going to be a “two-state solution.”

Trying to have it both ways is an unsustainable contradiction.

It’s a paradox, but not one that stops a peace process. It goes back to UN SCR 242. Land for peace. Not all land captured, mind you, but some portion of negotiated land. Oslo built on that, and the idea that settlements are an impediment has been overblown mostly because Israel has removed settlements in the name of peace - Sinai and then in the Gaza disengagement.

Gaza is a turning point though, because peace didn’t follow and while Israel was able to tighten the security cordon against Gaza and got troops out of that territory, it didn’t make Israel safer.

All that said, the problem is one of both maps and location though. Israel keeps building in and around Jerusalem, which both sides claim as the capital. It’s increasingly difficult to simply trade land/settlements to maintain cohesive communities and borders.

It can be done, but there’s got to be the will to do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:17:58pm
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Jack Burton  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:23:30pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Matt Mackowiak @MattMackowiak
Time for @carlpaladino to slither back to Buffalo. Your kind is not welcome in the GOP. No place for racist, bigoted hate speech.
11:36 AM - 23 Dec 2016 * Loiano, Emilia Romagna

Since when? How do you explain the last 8+ years? Not only is this welcome in the GOP, it’s apparently required to get elected.

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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:25:47pm

re: #74 Jack Burton

Since when? How do you explain the last 8+ years? Not only is this welcome in the GOP, it’s apparently required to get elected.

Like he has sensibilities to be offended. GOP=KGB. Period. Own it. Eat it. Be it. Yours.

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JasonA  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:26:42pm

We haven’t?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:29:34pm

re: #76 JasonA

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:30:04pm

re: #72 lawhawk

That’s my point, really. The more settlements that are built, the less likely there will ever be a two-state resolution. It gets more and more difficult to simply dismantle the settlements as they keep increasing, and that of course is the plainly stated aim of the settler movement.

I’m not naïve enough to think that simply stopping the building of settlements is going to bring peace, but if there’s ever going to be a peaceful solution (a possibility that seems pretty distant to say the least) this is one thing that will have to be dealt with.

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DuckDharma  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:31:29pm
“Israel rejects the anti-Israel resolution at the United Nations,” the Prime Minister Benjamin Netenyahu’s Office said in a statement Friday night, calling the UN vote “shameful” and stating that Israel would not abide but it.

The Security Council is not doing anything to stop the slaughter of half a million people in Syria, instead they turn their focus on Israel, stated the Prime Minister’s Office.

“The Obama administration not only failed to protect Israel against the UN’s obsession with Israel, it collaborated with the UN behind Israel’s back,” the statement continued.

“Israel looks forward to working with President-elect Trump and with all our friends in Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, to negate the harmful effects of this absurd resolution.”

jpost.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:32:58pm

re: #76 JasonA

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
slaughter you. This is a purely religious threat, which turned into reality. Such hatred! When will the U.S., and all countries, fight back?
4:23 PM - 23 Dec 2016
1,325 1,325 Retweets 3,587 3,587 likes

We haven’t?

What? Is Trump now doubting his own greatness?

You would think Mr. “I will be so tough on ISIS and (He can say it!) Radical Islamic Terrorists” would be saying something how he will end it soon, etc., not when.

Where is all that campaign confidence? Had Donny sold out all his supporters on terrorism already?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:34:18pm

re: #79 DuckDharma

Not surprising at all to see Netanyahu openly aligning with Trump. It wasn’t this UN resolution that did it, either. The Netanyahu administration has been cultivating relationships with the US far right for a long time.

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Belafon  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:34:57pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have an idea. Maybe the Democrats could change their name to somethin else to attract conservatives that don’t like what Trump is about to unleash. Something new: The Democratic-Republican party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:36:25pm

Carrie Fisher reportedly has suffered a massive heart attack today while on a flight from Heathrow to LAX.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:39:20pm
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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:47:00pm
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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:48:07pm

“When will the US fight back?” What do you think we’ve been doing for the past 15 years, you dolt?

It doesn’t count to Donnie without an accompanying mushroom cloud. I fear this isn’t a joke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:49:00pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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we did not say “radical islamic terrorism”….

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:50:43pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE INAUGURAL PARADE THAT TRUMP REALLY WANTS:

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Maybe Putin can send a Russian military band to DC for the inauguration, since none of the DC High School Bands will participate.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:50:58pm

I do wish the UN was as harsh on really ugly, terrible, authoritarian regimes as it has been on Israel.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:51:37pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

we did not say “radical islamic terrorism”….

Note: Trump didn’t say it either in that tweet even after calling it religious hate.

He’s getting soft on terror! .

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Timothy Watson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:51:47pm

FUCK YOU 2016

Facebook Post

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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:52:37pm

re: #88 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe Putin can send a Russian military band to DC for the inauguration, since none of the DC High School Bands will participate.

The Russian national anthem is pretty impressive. Isn’t there an official men’s chorus so the event doesn’t have to be tainted with estrogen cooties?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:53:05pm
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bratwurst  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:53:13pm

The large West Bank settlements that are part of greater Jerusalem are not really the issue here. Few or none of them are going anywhere, can and should be involved in land swaps as part of negotiations.

The problem is the increase in settlements far from the city that serve NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER except to provoke anger and make a two state solution more difficult to accomplish.

Anyone who wants to live in the middle of nowhere has a LOT of space in undisputed Israeli territory to choose from. I drove from Tel Aviv to Eilat a few years ago…there is nothing BUT empty space, aside from the medium sized city of Be’er Sheva.

If Netanyahu and his coalition were serious about negotiating, they could EASILY freeze new settlement construction outside of the greater Jerusalem area.

On the way out the door Obama is showing Israel some tough love. I firmly believe that the very future of Israel depends on negotiating a two state solution.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:55:39pm

I am crush.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:58:08pm
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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:58:31pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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I am crush.

You should be terrified. He will take his army of 3(!) followers with him.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 1:59:13pm

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:02:32pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

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LA Times reporting that she is in critical condition.

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lockjawcanbefun  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:02:47pm

So, Canada, you thought you were making it out of 2016 unscathed without a ‘hold my beer and watch’ moment? Poor, naive, Canadians.

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The Mountain That Blogs  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:03:06pm

Doing CPR until they landed?

That’s…that’s not good.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:04:05pm

Definition

Fake News: Any information from any type of news source media that you chose not to believe.

Which then means Real News is anything you chose to believe.

Yep…we gots problem!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:04:43pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:06:05pm

re: #67 lawhawk

I’ll be blunt.

If you want to keep the settlements, then you won’t have a Jewish State.

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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:06:59pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:09:32pm

re: #94 bratwurst

I don’t feel comfortable ceding Jerusalem to Israel.

What is to stop Isreal from doing what happened to the Babri Mosque, or pushing remaining Arabs out of Jerusalem?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:09:53pm

re: #106 gocart mozart

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For those that don’t speak Italian, that means “Merry Friday”

Does for those that do, too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:09:54pm

Just downloaded Civ VI for Christmas, so I’m going to give it a whirl.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:11:53pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

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re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

LA Times reporting that she is in critical condition.

I had The Today Show on and they did a video piece reflecting on all the deaths this year. It was stunning. I knew it was bad but wanted to forget how bad apparently, as I was just so hard hit and again reminded of my own age and era.

I hope Carrie Fisher is not another. Maybe the fact she can’t be on that Today show feature now will be fortune and means not this year. Thoughts.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:14:03pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

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David Bowie to Carrie Fisher.

Motherfucking 2016.

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TedStriker  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:17:19pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’m afraid Carrie Fisher’s probably gone. This doesn’t sound good.

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

LA Times reporting that she is in critical condition.

re: #110 ObserverArt

I had The Today Show on and they did a video piece reflecting on all the deaths this year. It was stunning. I knew it was bad but wanted to forget how bad apparently, as I was just so hard hit and again reminded of my own age and era.

I hope Carrie Fisher is not another. Maybe the fact she can’t be on that Today show feature now will be fortune and means not this year. Thoughts.

Fuck this year, fuck it so goddamn hard.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:17:29pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Does for those that do, too.

I see you are feeling well again!

Merry Christmas, the nuns of my youth would have wanted me to say that to you in that way. Though, I doubt a one of them would have voted for Trump.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:18:41pm

re: #105 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’ll be blunt.

If you want to keep the settlements, then you won’t have a Jewish State.

Also true, there wont be a 2state solution if the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel and keep threatening to wipe them out.

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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:18:57pm

Maybe all these deaths is the Rapture in slow motion and the rest of us are fucked.

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bratwurst  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:19:34pm

re: #107 Ziggy_TARDIS

I don’t feel comfortable ceding Jerusalem to Israel.

What is to stop Isreal from doing what happened to the Babri Mosque, or pushing remaining Arabs out of Jerusalem?

I do not believe incorporating the largest settlements surrounding Jerusalem into the Jewish state is the same thing as “ceding Jerusalem”.

I would personally be in favor of returning virtually every square inch of territory gained in 1967, but that is simply never going to happen. My point of view is that we should aspire to both sides making as many concessions as are practical. Nobody is ever going to be completely happy, that is not going to change.

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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:20:29pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:20:37pm

re: #114 blueraven

Palestinians don’t have the power to do such a thing. Israel does however, have the power to push the Arabs completely out of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

And right now, the evictions are pretty much getting rid of the Arabs in Jerusalem.

Right now, the web of settlements will prevent any sort of Palestinian state.

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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:21:09pm
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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:22:34pm

re: #118 Ziggy_TARDIS

Palestinians don’t have the power to do such a thing. Israel does however, have the power to push the Arabs completely out of Jerusalem and the West Bank.

And right now, the evictions are pretty much getting rid of the Arabs in Jerusalem.

Right now, the web of settlements will prevent any sort of Palestinian state.

They have the power to stop teaching hate to their children.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:23:05pm

re: #119 gocart mozart

That makes me feel a whole lot better.

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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:25:12pm

re: #119 gocart mozart

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I don’t think Christian is the primary consideration. Don’t see any love from those guys for Mexico, for instance. What might be the difference?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:26:04pm

re: #120 blueraven

Then maybe Israel needs to be the bigger country. You are essentially demanding Palestinians concede everything for nothing.

Any chance of me being sympathetic to Israel went away when a Pro-Israeli group decided to call the police on an MSA meeting as a prank when I was in college.

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sagehen  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:26:37pm

re: #92 allegro

The Russian national anthem is pretty impressive. Isn’t there an official men’s chorus so the event doesn’t have to be tainted with estrogen cooties?

Maybe the Red Army Chorus can do “Sweet Home Alabama”.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:27:56pm

re: #124 sagehen

Maybe the Red Army Chorus can do “Sweet Home Alabama”.

With the Leningrad St. Petersburg Cowboys.

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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:28:37pm

re: #123 Ziggy_TARDIS

Then maybe Israel needs to be the bigger country. You are essentially demanding Palestinians concede everything for nothing.

Any chance of me being sympathetic to Israel went away when a Pro-Israeli group decided to call the police on an MSA meeting as a prank when I was in college.

Do you hate all the Irish because a kid named O’Neal short-sheeted your bed in summer camp when you were 6, too?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:05pm

re: #120 blueraven

Israelis are teaching their kids to hate too.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:16pm

re: #123 Ziggy_TARDIS

Then maybe Israel needs to be the bigger country. You are essentially demanding Palestinians concede everything for nothing.

Any chance of me being sympathetic to Israel went away when a Pro-Israeli group decided to call the police on an MSA meeting as a prank when I was in college.

I really dont know what to say if you are going to let a college prank influence your thinking for the rest of your life. Grow up.

This is complicated. Neither side is 100% in the right. But…Israel is a Democracy and much more tolerant, albeit with, in my opinion, a very bad government at the moment.

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bratwurst  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:20pm

re: #123 Ziggy_TARDIS

Any chance of me being sympathetic to Israel went away when a Pro-Israeli group decided to call the police on an MSA meeting as a prank when I was in college.

Then can I suggest you be self-aware enough not to discuss this issue here?

You are ABSOLUTELY entitled to feel how you feel. Nobody would like to be treated the way your group was treated.

Having said that, if you are going to hold the actions of one nasty prankster against 6,000,000 Jews years after the fact, nothing productive is going to result from discussing Israel online.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:24pm

re: #124 sagehen

Maybe the Red Army Chorus can do “Sweet Home Alabama”.

I saw a tweet that Alec Baldwin would agree to perform if he could sing “Highway to Hell”.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:30pm

re: #120 blueraven

And then get nothing out of it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:35pm

Just finished the Warmth of Other Suns. What a great read this was. Read it. Great way for white people like me to understand our African American friends & neighbors more.

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sagehen  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:30:55pm

re: #107 Ziggy_TARDIS

I don’t feel comfortable ceding Jerusalem to Israel.

What is to stop Isreal from doing what happened to the Babri Mosque?

A whole bunch of Israeli archaeologists, who are fanatics about archaeology, ancient architecture, and historical preservation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:31:04pm

re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS

stop it.
Just. STOP.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:32:16pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

I will. I would like some admission though that Israel is not always right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:33:13pm

re: #136 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will. I would like some admission though that Israel is not always right.

jeebus. Just what part of the discussion here today have you NOT been reading?

good grief.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:33:17pm

Shame about Carrie Fisher. I’m not a Star Wars fan but I have always liked her.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:34:22pm

re: #131 Ziggy_TARDIS

And then get nothing out of it.

Are you kidding me rn? Get nothing out of stopping children to hate?
Hate EATS YOU UP. Stopping it is own reward.
My God man, you sound like you have lost your mind.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:34:58pm
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TedStriker  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:35:16pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Shame about Carrie Fisher. I’m not a Star Wars fan but I have always liked her.

She was good in The Blues Brothers (my favorite role of hers outside Star Wars, as Jake’s jilted [and majorly pissed-off] bride) and in The ‘Burbs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:37:49pm

re: #141 TedStriker

She was good in The Blues Brothers (my favorite role of hers outside Star Wars, as Jake’s jilted bride) and in The ‘Burbs.

I’m actually most familiar with her in Family Guy. Was telling my youngest brother that she was on the show and he had no idea and he’s a huge SW fan. I also have a soft spot since we have Gene Kelly in common, Gene Kelly being her mom’s co star and Gene being my grandfather’s frat brother.

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:38:19pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Seasonal tune

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Video

Ah, the carols of my youth. (Mom was a big Kingston Trio fan. Also Chad Mitchell Trio, so I can’t keep ‘em straight.)

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The Ghost of Senator Incatatus  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:38:22pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Shame about Carrie Fisher. I’m not a Star Wars fan but I have always liked her.

She’s done some great writing and scripting. Postcards from the Edge and Wishful Drinking spring to mind.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:38:48pm

re: #22 lawhawk

Trying to keep up with the West with a smaller industrial base and weaker economy was what killed the Soviet Union.

Sad to see the US wants to follow the same path.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:39:17pm

re: #144 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

She’s done some great writing and scripting. Postcards from the Edge and Wishful Drinking spring to mind.

Yeah I have a lot of respect for her for how she’s dealt with her addictions.

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The Ghost of Senator Incatatus  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:40:02pm

re: #144 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

I was probably way too young for Postcards from the Edge, but it cracked me up; funny-poignant. Meryl Streep as not-Carrie Fisher, Shirley Maclaine as not-Debbie Reynolds.

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:40:10pm

re: #144 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

She’s done some great writing and scripting. Postcards from the Edge and Wishful Drinking spring to mind.

Speaking of…poor Debbie Reynolds.
I cant imagine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:40:29pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:41:49pm

re: #144 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

She’s done some great writing and scripting. Postcards from the Edge and Wishful Drinking spring to mind.

And she was married to Paul Simon for a short time. That’s something…

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The Ghost of Senator Incatatus  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:42:51pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

And she was married to Paul Simon for a short time. That’s something…

She wrote a decent Adam Sandler-headed movie.

That’s basically alchemy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:43:12pm

This has me scared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:45:20pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:47:50pm

re: #67 lawhawk

As I’ve noted before too many people in the Middle East don’t want peace. They want victory.

Which is a different thing altogether.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:50:23pm
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TedStriker  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:50:54pm

re: #151 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

She wrote a decent Adam Sandler-headed movie.

That’s basically alchemy.

That’s one thing that most people don’t know about Fisher: in addition to scripts she wrote/co-wrote herself, she was also one of Hollywood’s top script doctors throughout the 90s:

Carrie Fisher’s career as a script doctor became the stuff of legend in the 1990s. Fisher was responsible for fixing up Hook in 1991, Sister Act in 1992, Lethal Weapon 3 in 1992 and The Wedding Singer in 1998. In 1992, Entertainment Weekly called Carrie Fisher “one of the most sought after doctors in town”—high praise, and one of the only accolades that Fisher would ever receive in printed form, given that she was not credited by name as a writer for any of the films in which she had a hand.

There are some projects to which Fisher might not have wanted her name attached, however. Fisher has been said to be one of the script doctors on board to fix all three of the Star Wars prequel scripts. Even Fisher’s writing skills and Star Wars savvy must not have been enough to save those projects! Not all patients can be cured, as every doctor knows.

themarysue.com

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scottslemmons  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:52:05pm

My holiday newsletter was about the most depressing one I’ve ever done — and the bulk of it was listing off all the amazing people who died in 2016. I sent them out in early December, and even then I knew there’d be more who’d die.

The way I described this year was: “as far as I’m concerned, 2016 can go suck the pain pipe.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:53:12pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No shit, they should be. She’s a reality star not someone who knows jackshit.

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The Ghost of Senator Incatatus  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:53:19pm

re: #156 TedStriker

So what I’m taking away from the is…Carrie Fisher killed Rufio?

(still traumatized)

More seriously…that’s really interesting. I knew about The Wedding Singer, but it’s a big damn list.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 2:59:17pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:01:09pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

What Trump probably means is, “The UN can find some other place to meet after Jan. 20. I’m kicking those commies and jihadists out of our country.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:01:47pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:02:08pm

This Friedman, not the future ambassador, has a different take on the history of US vetoes on UN resolutions against Israel and reminds us of Obama’s supportive role for Israel.

nytimes.com

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:04:43pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

No shit, they should be. She’swas a “reality” starshow contestant, not someone who knows jackshit.

More precisely.

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William Lewis  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:05:47pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Yeah I have a lot of respect for her for how she’s dealt with her addictions.

Still, those addictions are probably why she’s in this condition. That much substance abuse takes it’s toll even after you’ve cleaned up. I note that The Princess Diarist is out on Kindle. I might just have to get that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:08:13pm

cats and dogs.
CATS AND DOGS!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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sagehen  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:09:40pm

re: #165 William Lewis

Still, those addictions are probably why she’s in this condition. That much substance abuse takes it’s toll even after you’ve cleaned up.

Keith Richards would beg to differ.

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TedStriker  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:13:10pm

re: #167 sagehen

Keith Richards would beg to differ.

He pickled himself first…

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:18:28pm

re: #167 sagehen

Keith Richards would beg to differ.

He hasn’t cleaned up entirely. In an interview last year the interviewer noted that Keith’s team placed a package of vodka mini-bottles and cranberry juice in the room for him to drink at his leisure throughout the interview.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:18:32pm

re: #168 TedStriker

He pickled himself first…

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It’s a delicate process that should only be attempted by experts…

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:19:00pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

cats and dogs.
CATS AND DOGS!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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*fundamental*

It’s not God’s way…it is unnatural.

The blame goes to Obama and his policies!!!

*fundamental_off*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:20:47pm
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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:21:15pm

re: #167 sagehen

Keith Richards would beg to differ.

Keith Richards only did the best drugs. He’s a study in the benefits of drug use.

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Varek Raith  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:23:00pm

Fuck 2016.

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mmmirele  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:23:39pm

re: #173 nines09

Keith Richards only did the best drugs. He’s a study in the benefits of drug use.

I dunno. He’s kind of the opposite of “live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse.” He’s scruffy.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:25:17pm

Chuck C. Johnson is now claiming he’s “doing a lot of the vetting” for Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:26:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:27:15pm
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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:28:22pm

re: #175 mmmirele

I dunno. He’s kind of the opposite of “live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse.” He’s scruffy.

He’s 73. He’s bedded and feasted with the best. He’s a world traveler. He’s coherent. Still strangles that Telecaster. He’s got wit and humor. Walking. Upright. No braces or walkers. And he rocks. His way. I’m 73 and doing that? Scruffy is a plus. I see others at 62 floating through WalMart like a dazed grouper, mouth open, vacant stare…..I’ll take scruffy. With an attitude. Pass that over here…

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mmmirele  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:28:26pm

re: #179 BigPapa

Martin Shkreli Wears ‘Pepe the Frog’ Pin During Bloomberg Interview

Well, we knew he was a jackass, this is just more confirmation.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:29:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:34:03pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:35:22pm

We lost one of the most brilliant and eternally optimistic climate scientists of our era today.

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nines09  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:36:06pm

re: #175 mmmirele

Keef and Ronnie Wood are two of my guitar heros. If only I had 10% of that JuJu.

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DuckDharma  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:36:26pm

re: #181 mmmirele

Shkreli is pals with other NYC “alt-lighters” and was interviewed by Deadpin at Milo’s pig’s blood bath gallery thing. He also attended the Proud Boy Magazine (barf) election party with Chuck Johnson, Jim Goad, Gavin Mcinnes, and Jack Buckby

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:37:28pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Go fuck your self Clarke.

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William Lewis  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:37:45pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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Better send that to Teen Vogue since there aren’t too many other journalists in America anymore.

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petesh  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:38:36pm

re: #180 nines09

Have you listened to the Stones Blue & Lonesome? It really is excellent. It’s Mick’s album, basically, but Keith seems to have pushed him into it, and then kept right on pushing. It does not actually sound like the Stones’ first albums, but it does sound like an album those guys might make, well, now.

Q: What’s your favorite track?
Charlie: I like all of them.

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William Lewis  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:40:08pm

re: #189 petesh

Have you listened to the Stones Blue & Lonesome? It really is excellent. It’s Mick’s album, basically, but Keith seems to have pushed him into it, and then kept right on pushing. It does not actually sound like the Stones’ first albums, but it does sound like an album those guys might make, well, now.

Q: What’s your favorite track?
Charlie: I like all of them.

You mean they released records after Exile on Main Street?

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Interesting Times  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:43:03pm
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darthstar  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:44:25pm

Nice of Republican ass-wipe Chuck Todd to remind us today that our next President bragged about the size of his dick in a debate.

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allegro  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:46:03pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

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So it looks like South America is now the safest place on the planet.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:49:28pm

I’m good with living right next to DC. Ground zero means no living in a nuclear winter, slowly dying from radiation sickness.

I also don’t have a good stock of bottle caps.

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teleskiguy  Dec 23, 2016 • 3:56:53pm
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William Lewis  Dec 23, 2016 • 4:04:43pm

re: #195 teleskiguy

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Sorry but I find that extremely unlikely based on the BBC reports. ~10+ minutes without breathing? Manual CPR till the hospital? I’d guess it’s more a matter of family arrival and sorting out who has the power of attorney for medical to authorize pulling the plug.

Godspeed Princess.

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makeitstop  Dec 23, 2016 • 4:09:06pm

re: #119 gocart mozart

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Joy sees the same thing I see.

Evil Empire, 2017.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 23, 2016 • 4:12:47pm

re: #186 DuckDharma

Shkreli is pals with other NYC “alt-lighters” and was interviewed by Deadpin at Milo’s pig’s blood bath gallery thing. He also attended the Proud Boy Magazine (barf) election party with Chuck Johnson, Jim Goad, Gavin Mcinnes, and Jack Buckby

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A murder of crows; a gaggle of sociopaths….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2016 • 4:32:41pm

re: #196 William Lewis

Sorry but I find that extremely unlikely based on the BBC reports. ~10+ minutes without breathing? Manual CPR till the hospital? I’d guess it’s more a matter of family arrival and sorting out who has the power of attorney for medical to authorize pulling the plug.

Godspeed Princess.

First person to respond on the plane was an EMT, followed by a doctor and nurse. Commercial airliners now have AEDs as well as oxygen. Manual CPR doesn’t mean she wasn’t getting oxygen.

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gocart mozart  Dec 23, 2016 • 4:55:39pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 23, 2016 • 8:24:27pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg four of my teeth just fell out from the sweetness!


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