Now for Something Completely Different: Derek Gripper Plays Malian Kora Music on Classical Guitar

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Tom Cole | December 16, 2016 — You probably shouldn’t be reading this — just listen to Derek Gripper play and watch his fingers work. You can see and hear his classical training from his first notes behind the Tiny Desk.

The 38-year-old started on violin at age 6, then wound up with one of the few classical-guitar professors in his native South Africa. But touring the world playing the music of the great dead white men was not all that appealing (though Gripper still loves to play Bach). Then he heard a record by the Malian kora player Toumani Diabate. He decided that that’s what he wanted to do: not play the kora itself, but play kora music on the guitar.

Of course, the kora has 21 strings, each tuned to a fixed note. The nylon-stringed guitar Gripper plays has six. But by using unusual tunings and fretting the strings up and down the neck with his left hand, he can pretty much hit all of the kora’s notes. He shows how he can evoke the West African instrument’s multiple voices simultaneously in the third piece of his Tiny Desk concert, “Jarabi.”

The remarkable thing is, he figured all of this out — and recorded two acclaimed albums — just by listening to CDs and checking out music online. Gripper painstakingly transcribed what he heard onto a kind of notation called tablature — similar to the music written for the Renaissance vihuela, which was also an inspiration. Earlier this year, Gripper finally made it to Mali, where his efforts received the blessing of Toumani Diabate himself; the two even jammed together. Now, go back to the concert.

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SET LIST
“Tuth Jara” (Trad. Arr. Derek Gripper)
“Joni” (Derek Gripper)
“Jarabi” (Trad. Arr. Derek Gripper)
“Duga” (Trad. Arr. Derek Gripper)

MUSICIANS
Derek Gripper (guitar)

CREDITS
Producers: Tom Cole, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Niki Walker, Nicole Boliaux; Production Assistant: Anna Marketti; Photo: Raquel Zaldivar/NPR.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:01:09pm
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Quiet Storm  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:02:50pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That made me laugh

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:02:57pm

HAPPY HANUKKAH LGF! 3RD CANDLE.
Having a great time in LA. We went for Chinese food today with my mom.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:10:59pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Is that Menorah made of glass? Beautiful!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:11:50pm
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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

HAPPY HANUKKAH LGF! 3RD CANDLE.
Having a great time in LA. We went for Chinese food today with my mom.

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I look forward each evening to seeing the next light. Thank you.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:12:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:12:10pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:12:55pm

They have something here in LA that we can’t get in Detroit: BRISKET PASTRAMI! Zedushka is in deli heaven. Also too: SUSHI. I am in heaven too.

I asked my mom, where do you keep the vodka? And she showed me this cut glass leaded crystal decanter. I guess I will have to risk lead poisoning. Oh well I’M ON VACATION DAMMIT.

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nines09  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:13:16pm

When I was a younger man I hauled cars. Worked for Anchor Motor Freight part of Leaseway who later became part of Penske. Union job, I never cracked the ‘A” board. On call. Worked two winters out of Buffalo area 1978-79. I would get called in and drive the 276 miles from my home in Central Pa to a small town called Lewiston NY just north of Buffalo NY. It was a “railhead” for mostly vans and pickup trucks manufactured in the GM plant in Oshawa Ontario. That’s what is was called when no actual manufacturing was at that spot.

Oh the good old days….

The Canadian “parking lots” would unload in our yard, we would reload on our “parking lots”, which was the slang for a car hauler rig. I would be bottom of the board and had little to pick from, no assigned equipment and already with 276 miles on me as I would load out. You got your paperwork, which had numbers, and the vehicles were in lines with numbers on them, staged. You had to make sure all the numbers jived because, people never fuck up, right? You also could only put certain cars and trucks in certain positions on the rig. You could not be above 13 feet 6 inches. Trying to chain down a 4 wheel drive 3/4 ton pickup truck down on the head rack in a snow squall with a 15 pound steel tie down bar is quite the experience. You stood on steel with nothing but your hands and guts and a metal tie down bar between you and a 10 foot drop to concrete. A reload was having to move one or more at a drop to get the proper vehicle off. Certain reloads were paid, most not. I would take every “Round Robin” I could because it kept me on the road for the longest. So I would load up in Lewiston for a 7 vehicle run which would end with me picking up 7 more in Tarrytown NY (for instance) and then deliver back out lower tier NY to Lordstown Oh to pick up to Lewiston NY or Edison NJ, etc. Book miles paid. So if I drove 435 for that run and was only paid 360 from “the book” I either had to eat that or put in a “cross mile” adjustment to collect. That meant I had to do my homework on why I put more miles on. Low bridge. Weight limits. Closed road. Etc.I tell you all this because that went away. Ain’t coming back. Sleepy Hollow NY also called Tarrytown. You can see the Tappen Zee bridge in the background. It was huge. Gone. Just like Wilmington De, Edison NJ, Baltimore MD, and on and on. Some things never change. Can Trump bring this back?

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:15:31pm

I was just getting caught up in the Cernobyl Meltdown then I see it here.

Love this place.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:15:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:17:44pm

Mike Cernovich, rape apologist, will be playing the voice of reason for Deploraball. “No Nazi salutes.” Is that too much to ask?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:18:11pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

Is that Menorah made of glass? Beautiful!

LOL, no it’s actually a cheap silver-plated menorah that you can buy for $25 at the kosher bodega.

The one on the bottom is a handpainted souvenir that we bought in Israel when we were there for the first night of Hanukkah in 2012. It folds up and great for traveling!

The first night of Hanukkah just before we left home, we lit the sterling silver heirloom menorah that we got for a wedding gift:

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bratwurst  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:19:02pm

I knew there would be an explosive reaction from Netanyahu and his pals to the (nearly meaningless) UN resolution, but I am astounded by the petulance involved. It’s pathetic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:22:11pm

re: #15 bratwurst

I knew there would be an explosive reaction from Netanyahu and his pals to the (nearly meaningless) UN resolution, but I am astounded by the petulance involved. It’s pathetic.

OMG just fuck Bibi already.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:22:36pm

Bibi is not “Mr. Judaism” any more than Jared Kushner.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:22:39pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

After I looked at it for a bit, I knew I was wrong. Still, the way you photographed it, the arms of the Menorah look clear, like glass.

Heh!

Happy Hanukkah Alouette!

(I think I’m the only one who calls you your OG username)

:-D

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:23:07pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

OMG just fuck Bibi already.

Is Netanyahu Israel’s DT?

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:24:23pm

re: #19 Resistance Is Not Futile

Is Netanyahu Israel’s DT?

Close. He’s been cultivating relationships with far right idealogues in the West for a long time.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:25:27pm

In my opinion, Netanyahu is burning all his bridges with the liberal Jewish community in the US. He’s openly aligning himself with Donald Trump, a guy who’s linked to numerous antisemites and has sparked a revival of white supremacism. It’s really kind of mind-boggling.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:25:55pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Mike Cernovich, rape apologist, will be playing the voice of reason for Deploraball. “No Nazi salutes.” Is that too much to ask?

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retired cynic  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:26:19pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Nose, cutting off of.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:28:28pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

Bibi is not “Mr. Judaism” any more than Jared Kushner.

So, in other words he is a bit like Trump…BS on display. Might that be a reason they are good friends using each other?

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:28:50pm

Hey Charles, only 3,000 more comments and you’ve commented on your own site 100,000 times since the summer of 2004!

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:29:09pm

What a total and complete Cernobyl Cucktackular. I don’t have enough popcorn for this.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:30:21pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

After I looked at it for a bit, I knew I was wrong. Still, the way you photographed it, the arms of the Menorah look clear, like glass.

Heh!

Happy Hanukkah Alouette!

(I think I’m the only one who calls you your OG username)

:-D

I call her The Queen of All Good Pies and Baked Goods and My Best Friend on the Internet that Loves to Share!

It doesn’t work. Sigh.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:30:45pm
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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:32:54pm

Cernovitch just got called a basic bitch. They’re letting cuck fly like firecrackers at Chinese NY: cuck cuck cu-CUCK cu Cuck Cuck ca CUCK…

Like a barnyard of racist chickens.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:38:17pm

Probably my favorite woman STEM person on Twitter (she’s also black, black woman STEM, good stuff) is learning to shoot. I wonder if Fuckface Von Clownstick has anything to do with it.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:39:21pm

re: #29 BigPapa

Cernovitch just got called a basic bitch. They’re letting cuck fly like firecrackers at Chinese NY: cuck cuck cu-CUCK cu Cuck Cuck ca CUCK…

Like a barnyard of racist chickens.

The Cu Cucks Clan.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:45:31pm

re: #31 Resistance Is Not Futile

The Cu Cucks Clan.

Oh, nice. I’m watching Cernovitch’s Periscope feed. The raging vitriol on his feed is unreal. Calling him jew, kike, etc. Now his wife comes on and he’s called race mixer, etc.

Real time racist raging.

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mmmirele  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:48:10pm

re: #26 BigPapa

What a total and complete Cernobyl Cucktackular. I don’t have enough popcorn for this.

I actually listened to Cernobyl’s discussion on Periscope for a minute or two. I was like, ah meh. I did learn two things today, however: 1) “JQ” stands for “Jewish Question” from the alt-righties on Twitter and 2) one of my Jewish friends, a very smart university professor in the Northeast who voted for Donald Trump, had no fucking CLUE what “Jewish Question” meant. I have told this guy for months now that the alt-right does not care that he voted for Trump. All they care about is that he’s a Jew.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:49:36pm
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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:50:50pm

Coming up for air. Charles, you mentioned watching Kingsman. That reminded me and so I got a copy and am half an hour in. Thank you. It reminds me why Daniel Craig is may favorite Bond. I expect the rest will keep me occupied for another 1:40… :)

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:53:04pm

re: #33 mmmirele

Sounds like the woman I know who is terribly sweet and nice yet voted for Trump because she Could Not vote for Her. Yet was shocked when I told her what would happen to the Medicare (that her 93 yo mother depends on) and SS (that they all depend on).

May god have mercy on us all… :(

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bratwurst  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:53:24pm
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calochortus  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:55:19pm

re: #10 nines09

When I was a younger man I hauled cars. Worked for Anchor Motor Freight part of Leaseway who later became part of Penske. Union job, I never cracked the ‘A” board. On call. Worked two winters out of Buffalo area 1978-79. I would get called in and drive the 276 miles from my home in Central Pa to a small town called Lewiston NY just north of Buffalo NY. It was a “railhead” for mostly vans and pickup trucks manufactured in the GM plant in Oshawa Ontario. That’s what is was called when no actual manufacturing was at that spot.

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My Mom grew up in Lewiston. Her former home is now a freeway interchange.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:55:22pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

HAPPY HANUKKAH LGF! 3RD CANDLE.
Having a great time in LA. We went for Chinese food today with my mom.

Happy Hanukkah to you too, Mrs. Babushka, and all the other holidays too. Chinese latkes?

Felix Randomkitty is now home. He is extremely upset at a sixty mile car ride over icy roads (the occasional fishtail with him in the back didn’t appeal to him much, and he responded by voiding himself—in a Smart car that’s deadly).

Now after sulking for an hour or so at home, he is using my leg as a scratching post.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:56:00pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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So, if we’re smart, we could play the white supremacists against each other the way we should be able to play Trump against Putin: I don’t think Trump will like being called a puppet of Putin, unable to make his own decisions without asking Daddy first.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 6:58:41pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:00:24pm

My roommate got a drone for Christmas. She wants me to use it first, sometime tomorrow. I am excite.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:00:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:02:42pm
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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:03:36pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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I’m putting on my stomping boots.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:04:06pm

I really miss this place. I first started reading LGF at the public library at this place many moons ago.

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stpaulbear  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:04:59pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

My roommate got a drone for Christmas. She wants me to use it first, sometime tomorrow. I am excite.

Somebody on my neighborhood’s Facebook page got a drone for Christmas. They were posting to ask the neighbors to return it if any of them found it in their yards.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:06:20pm
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Jenner7  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:09:15pm

Who knew it was not my hubby’s hard work, but Donald’s election win that we could afford Christmas this year.

Thank you, Mr. Cheeto. Thank you.

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Jenner7  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:22:56pm

An easily proven lie.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:24:12pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:25:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:29:19pm
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mmmirele  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:29:36pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:33:23pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:38:08pm

“Wonderful charities” = ME MYSELF AND I.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:40:32pm

wonkette.com

Tom Arnold went on a Twitter rant (Wonkette has screenshots of the tweets), in which Mr. Arnold made a bunch of direct accusations about what Mr. Trump has done, and noted he has tapes of Mr. Trump saying such things.

Mr. Arnold is daring Trump to sue him for slander. If he does, then the tapes can come out as evidence and Mr. Trump cannot sue him for releasing them.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:41:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:42:21pm

re: #57 Anymouse

wonkette.com

Tom Arnold went on a Twitter rant (Wonkette has screenshots of the tweets), in which Mr. Arnold made a bunch of direct accusations about what Mr. Trump has done, and noted he has tapes of Mr. Trump saying such things.

Mr. Arnold is daring Trump to sue him for slander. If he does, then the tapes can come out as evidence and Mr. Trump cannot sue him for releasing them.

He says he has tapes of The Donald uttering the N Word and the R Word, which would only make him even MOAR POPULAR amongst the Deplorables if it were to be released.

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Skip Intro  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:44:53pm

Can we retire “deplorable” and just go back to calling them Republicans?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:46:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:46:37pm

This guy!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:48:15pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:50:17pm

Jim Wright is a consummate essayist, this is a real keeper.

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William Lewis  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:51:19pm

OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT Freebird in Kingsman. I’m gonna fucking die laughing.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:51:50pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

Can we retire “deplorable” and just go back to calling them Republicans?

I still remember watching Fox News and MSNBC — I was on a cruise and there was nothing much else — when the news about DT’s bus conversation came out. BSNBC was covering it, repeatedly. Faux Noise was covering the hurricane that had just (barely) missed the Carolinas with aqual assiduity. The next day, the hurricane went on, with a brief statement that DT had issued a denial/apology (“locker-room talk,” although they didn’t quote it OR the bus chat). So we really have no certainty that they all really know what they voted for.

So, no. We have to leave some room for the ill-informed and misinformed to back away when it becomes obvious just what they let themselves in for.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:52:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:53:27pm

re: #65 William Lewis

OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT Freebird in Kingsman. I’m gonna fucking die laughing.

Pretty great, isn’t it.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:53:29pm

Upding for Pumpkin Pinochet.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:55:49pm

re: #69 Resistance Is Not Futile

Upding for Pumpkin Pinochet.

I’m going to add that to my growing list of terms for Mr. Trump, though “fascist talking yam” is still my favourite/

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:55:58pm

re: #69 Resistance Is Not Futile

Upding for Pumpkin Pinochet.

Can’t take credit for inventing it - I saw it fly by in my Twitter timeline earlier and oh how I laughed.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:56:11pm

And now I’m going to watch Serenity — another story with a semi-hopeful ending. After encounters with some SERIOUS deplorables.

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Scout  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:56:36pm

So what’s the deal with Netanyahu? Ratcheting up the hate against Obama to goad Trump into becoming his (Bibi’s) puppy?

It’s going to be damned interesting watching Putin and Netanyahu take turns playing Trump like a piano.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:58:56pm

re: #73 Scout

So what’s the deal with Netanyahu? Ratcheting up the hate against Obama to goad Trump into becoming his (Bibi’s) puppy?

It’s going to be damned interesting watching Putin and Netanyahu take turns playing Trump like a piano.

Double chopsticks.

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BigPapa  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:58:56pm

re: #69 Resistance Is Not Futile

Upding for Pumpkin Pinochet.

Yeah, that was pretty gangster.

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Skip Intro  Dec 26, 2016 • 7:59:24pm

re: #66 Resistance Is Not Futile

If Hillary had just called them Republicans instead of deplorables, she might have won.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:06:08pm

adeptv.advertising.com has pretty much made this site unreadable/unusable for me.

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sagehen  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:07:23pm

re: #72 Resistance Is Not Futile

And now I’m going to watch Serenity — another story with a semi-hopeful ending. After encounters with some SERIOUS deplorables.

“May have been the losing side; still not convinced it was the wrong side”

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Stanley Sea  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:10:16pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

This guy!

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He’s emboldened to just slap us in the face.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:11:14pm

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
Is this going to go on all Hanukkah?

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Moebym  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:15:15pm

re: #70 Anymouse

My favorite is Fuckface von Clownstick, though anything with Yam in it is pretty damn funny.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:17:10pm

ALERT: video contains some spoilers if you haven’t seen the movie.

Honest Trailers - Kingsman: The Secret Service

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:17:29pm

re: #81 Moebym

My favorite is Fuckface von Clownstick, though anything with Yam in it is pretty damn funny.

From here until eternity I will refer to Donald Trump as FVC, online, in person, casual conversation, you name it.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:18:22pm

Did anyone else see the Dallas kicker lay out the punt returner? Ow!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:21:31pm

re: #81 Moebym

My favorite is Fuckface von Clownstick, though anything with Yam in it is pretty damn funny.

I am also quite fond of Cheeto Benito.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:21:54pm

re: #84 Belafon

Did anyone else see the Dallas kicker lay out the punt returner? Ow!

Not me. American football is a stupid, brutish, arcane, and ultimately obscene sport that slowly kills its athletes. I hope the NFL goes out of business in my lifetime.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:23:33pm

Fun fact: searching “Wealthy american blowhard” on Google returns a bunch of top results pertaining to Donald Trump.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:27:27pm

Well well well …

Sean in this context is our own darthstar.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:32:56pm

I knew what happened last night with Gus was a fluke.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:33:35pm

re: #35 William Lewis

That movie was a pleasant surprise. Enjoyed it a lot.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:39:41pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Glad you are here in Los Angeles! Hope you are having a great time!

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:39:48pm

re: #45 Belafon

Heck, for them we’ll need an Elder Sign.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:50:47pm

re: #92 Romantic Heretic

Heck, for them we’ll need an Elder Sign.

My wife made a desktop wallpaper for her computer consisting of the Elder Sign and Trump’s dead ferret.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:50:57pm

I love hearing South African accented English again. It’s sort of Aussie in flavor, but not the same. Plus his playing is amazing.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 26, 2016 • 8:51:08pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:02:41pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

I read somewhere that Cernovich learned this breathing technique from some woo-woo New Age guy (in yoga it’s called “fire breath” and hardly new) and after pumping oxygen like this he can “see electromagnetic waves” and “communicate with the multiverse.”

That’s your brain at 11 from too much O2, Mike.

I also find it kinda weird that he romanticizes the “gorilla mindset,” when in fact gorillas are mostly vegetarian and only get aggressive during mating season or when their group is threatened. Most of the time they’re just shuffling around trying to find stuff to eat and grooming each other.

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retired cynic  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:03:47pm

re: #96 wheat-dogg

He’s just not right. There’s a lot of that going around.

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:04:41pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:13:51pm

re: #97 retired cynic

He’s just not right in the head. There’s a lot of that going around.

FTFY

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:22:18pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

I am also quite fond of Cheeto Benito.

President Post Tortoise is mine.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:26:29pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

President Post Tortoise is mine.

I am also partial to Fanta Hitler.

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Apocalypse  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:38:16pm

re: #98 Interesting Times

I was confused at first, I muddled Luke Cage with Johnny Cage from Mortal Kombat. I knew I wasn’t right but why.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:41:37pm

Minor good news from the plumbing company that repaired our burst pipes when we went to California.

They called today and said because we had them do the repair work after they came out to assess the damage, and because we spent over a thousand dollars ($1,840 was the final bill), they would waive the $135 charge to come sixty miles to our house. They will be mailing a cheque for $135.

Yay.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:43:07pm

re: #102 Apocalypse

I was confused at first, I muddled Luke Cage with Johnny Cage from Mortal Kombat. I knew I wasn’t right but why.

What about John Cage?

John Cage’s 4’33”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 9:57:49pm

Depressing af.

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retired cynic  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:00:26pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

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Depressing af.

Good thing I don’t have TV service. I’m depressed af without it!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:02:47pm
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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:06:15pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

Thanks. Now I have an earwig of Waterloo.

That includes the silly Napoleon hat worn by the conductor of the orchestra during the Eurovision song contest.

ABBA Waterloo Eurovision 1974 (High Quality)

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:11:39pm

re: #31 Resistance Is Not Futile

Can we call them the Coo-Coo Cucks Clan?

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austin_blue  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:12:58pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

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Nope, it really does not sound like “Marmaduke”.

At least when sober. Can’t say that I’ve heard the song when drunk, so I will have to defer to to your perception.

;-)

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:13:12pm

re: #109 Jebediah, RBG

Can we call them the Coo-Coo Cucks Clan?

LOL.

I’ll just stick with Nazis, but that’s pretty funny.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:21:15pm

Carl Paladino’s son disavows his father’s remarks:

huffingtonpost.com

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austin_blue  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:25:16pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

What about John Cage?

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Most people hate Cage, but I have always found his work absolutely fascinating, especially that one. Is it joke? The man is dressed to kill as a soloist! Who is the joke on? The audience? The Pianist?

It’s brilliant stuff. (beep)

It turns music and the expectation of performance upside down.

Here’s the best part, though. He did it and it can only be done once. Drop the mike!

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:30:10pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:37:21pm
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austin_blue  Dec 26, 2016 • 10:48:18pm

re: #114 Jebediah, RBG

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Well, duh. Like everything else he does, it’s a scam. At least the man is consistent.

A grifter and a fraud, but consistent.

Oh, wait, he’s going to be the President of the United States.

Fuck My Life.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:09:08pm
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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:09:14pm

I just finished reading the article mentioned downstairs. 3ammagazine.com

And I have to say it made me reconsider the influence of Thomas Aquinas and the ultimate causes of the Reformation. The essay makes a lot of sense, as I was already familiar with the influence of Rushdoony and Schaeffer on the Religious Right.

Aquinas’ job was to reconcile Catholic theology with the ancient philosophy of Greece, especially Aristotle’s writing. Aquinas lived during the “Little Renaissance” of the 13th century, when the formerly lost works of the Greeks and Romans had found their back to Christian Europe via Jewish and Muslim scholars. Church leaders and other scholars had taught that the ancient people of Europe were barbarians, yet here were works by keen, logical minds presenting philosophies that made no reference to God, Jesus or any divine being at all. The Church gave Aquinas the massive job of bringing Aristotle in line with Catholic teaching. One unfortunate byproduct of his efforts was the enshrining in Catholic dogma all of Aristotle’s erroneous ideas about physics and astronomy. Another was, as the essayist notes, acknowledging that humans had the ability to reason independent of their so-called fallen state.

Zip ahead a few hundred years. By the time of Luther, the printing press made it possible for anyone with enough money to keep their own Bible at home. Luther had a long list of complaints against the Church, and he taught that anyone could read the Bible and did not need some learned Church father telling them what it all meant or what they should believe. Calvin followed some time later with an even stricter theology than Lutheranism, including the baffling idea of predestination.

Until I read the essay in question, I believed (as I had learned in my history classes) that the Reformation was a “good thing,” because it separated theology (and science) from Catholic dogma and simultaneously encouraged independent thinking — at least by people who had not drunk the Lutheran and Calvinist Kool-Aid. IOW, I had been taught that the Reformation was a rebellion against formalistic, dogmatic scholarship, and was thus one of the contributing factors to the Renaissance and the later Enlightenment.

Well, no. First off, the birthplace of the Renaissance was not Protestant Europe, but Catholic Italy. That I already knew. But the essay makes the powerful argument that the Reformation was not a rejection of Catholic dogma and authority, but a rejection of Aquinas’ argument that human reason was independent of Church doctrine and of God. IOW, the Reformation was inherently anti-intellectual and dogmatic in its own way.

A big light bulb came on over my head. If you follow the “family tree” of Religious Right thinking down from Calvin to the likes of Falwell and Robertson now, you can see how it makes sense.

Meanwhile, there was another article about how Trump represents the Strict Family model (authoritarianism), and Obama and Clinton represent the Nurturing Family model (progressivism), and that the last several presidential elections have essentially pitted one family model against the other. Authoritarians (Trumpists) love them some Calvin, because he held to a very strict paternalistic model of governance. Obama and Clinton, meanwhile, would fall within the humanistic model of Aquinas — and of others, like Erasmus and Voltaire, who rejected the role of God and religion altogether.

The election of 2016 was a replay of humanism vs. religious authoritarianism, with the humanist played by a devout Methodist and the religious authoritarian played by a self-serving narcissist with no clear religious belief. Unfortunately, the Methodist (fittingly) didn’t play dirty enough and the narcissist’s crew knew how to game the system in his favor. So the authoritarian side won, even though the majority of voters wanted a nurturing family leader.

It’s the 16th century all over again!

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:22:24pm

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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:27:40pm

How the Internet made a girl’s quinceañero party into a SRO bash.

scmp.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:29:16pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:35:08pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:37:56pm

More kompromat on D Trump

The link to Der Bild is paywalled, unfortunately.

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:38:59pm

re: #122 Resistance Is Not Futile

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:42:52pm

Pellet stove is boomin’. Good thing I have 200 lbs of wood pellets out in the garage.

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:46:02pm

re: #122 Resistance Is Not Futile

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:48:26pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

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Pellet stove is boomin’. Good thing I have 200 lbs of wood pellets out in the garage.

I can’t figure out how to cut out sections of the NWS Website like that in Firefox and Windows 10. I started falling behind computer tech after my Commodore 128 became obsolete.

We’re not having weather, apparently:

Fair

Temp: N/A

Humidity NA
Wind Speed SW 7 mph
Barometer 30.14 in
Dewpoint N/A
Visibility 10.00 mi
Last update 26 Dec 11:53 pm MST

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:52:05pm

re: #126 Anymouse

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teleskiguy  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:57:11pm

re: #121 wheat-dogg

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Anymouse  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:57:14pm

re: #128 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 26, 2016 • 11:57:34pm

re: #126 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:00:26am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:00:59am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:01:54am

re: #127 Anymouse

I have a backyard weather station. The transmitter battery for the sensor unit is low so I got an erroneous low temperature reading this morning of -90F. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t -90F anywhere in California. I can’t complain, the battery lasted 4 years.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:02:32am
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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:06:43am

re: #133 teleskiguy

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:13:25am

re: #132 Anymouse

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:16:56am

re: #137 wheat-dogg

Dude, that’s fucking wild!

You’re obviously one of the good guys! I salute you!

One of these days we should have a beer in Denver when you’re visiting your kin.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:18:52am

re: #137 wheat-dogg

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:19:10am

re: #138 teleskiguy

Dude, that’s fucking wild!

You’re obviously one of the good guys! I salute you!

One of these days we should have a beer in Denver when you’re visiting your kin.

You’re on!

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:19:46am

re: #138 teleskiguy

Dude, that’s fucking wild!

You’re obviously one of the good guys! I salute you!

One of these days we should have a beer in Denver when you’re visiting your kin.

Denver isn’t very far away from here either (we stopped in Denver the last night of our trip to have our car serviced before we came home).

I’ll bring the tumbleweeds.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:23:04am

re: #141 Anymouse

Denver isn’t very far away from here either (we stopped in Denver the last night of our trip to have our car serviced before we came home).

I’ll bring the tumbleweeds.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:23:52am

A teacher in Tianjin, China, used this article on a final examination, and a number of Chinese students have complained online about its sexism and inappropriateness as reading material for an English exam.

ezinearticles.com

sixthtone.com

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:26:28am

re: #142 teleskiguy

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:27:54am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

A teacher in Tianjin, China, used this article on a final examination, and a number of Chinese students have complained online about its sexism and inappropriateness as reading material for an English exam.

ezinearticles.com

sixthtone.com

Yikes. Sounds like it came right out of the 1940’s USA (or the Republican Party platform)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:31:13am

re: #145 Anymouse

The author is definitely traditional in her viewpoint regarding male-female roles. Probably the kind of woman who encourages teenagers to go to college to get their MRS degrees.

She’s one of those self-published self-help “experts,” apparently.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:31:31am

Sony Music apologises to Britney Spears fans, after a tweet on its official Twitter account indicated she was dead.

bbc.com

As well Sony’s Twitter account, the official account of Bob Dylan also appears to have been hacked. It tweeted: “Rest in peace @britneyspears” around the time of the fake Sony tweets.

After the tweets were published, a group called OurMine appears to have gained access to the account - and pointed out the security breach. It is not clear if OurMine were responsible for the original false tweets.

Just a few days ago it appeared to have hacked into the Twitter accounts of Netflix US and Marvel Entertainment.

It has also been linked to compromising the Twitter accounts of top executives including Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg and Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:34:54am

re: #146 wheat-dogg

The author is definitely traditional in her viewpoint regarding male-female roles. Probably the kind of woman who encourages teenagers to go to college to get their MRS degrees.

She’s one of those self-published self-help “experts,” apparently.

She has hundreds of articles, according to the Website you linked. They also provide a short bio:

About Nicole Gayle

Nicole Abundance is a Dating Success Coach who has been featured on her local television station City TV. She is the creator of the popular program Girlfriend to Wife in 100 days, The Truth about Men and Commitment and The Root Cause of Breakups and How to Fix Your Relationship Problems. Decode your Inner Sexy and Let Nothing Stand in the Way of Your Relationship Success.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:37:49am

She also opened a Twitter account in 2009, most of which is posts of “I posted a new photo to Facebook.”

And you’re not someone unless you have a YouTube channel these days, so she has one:

youtube.com

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:46:07am

re: #144 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:48:24am

re: #150 teleskiguy

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:50:09am

re: #149 Anymouse

IOW, she’s into self-promotion. Sounds very familiar.

I reckon I could market myself as a “China expert”, gain a following, and then become a TV pundit — if I were willing to discard all self-respect.

Michelle Rhee taught one or two years with Teach for Padding Your Resume America, and spun that into being a “education reform expert” and a chancellor of the DC schools.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:56:29am

Listening to a Snarky Puppy playlist on Google Play now.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 12:57:17am

re: #152 wheat-dogg

IOW, she’s into self-promotion. Sounds very familiar.

I reckon I could market myself as a “China expert”, gain a following, and then become a TV pundit — if I were willing to discard all self-respect.

Michelle Rhee taught one or two years with Teach for Padding Your Resume America, and spun that into being a “education reform expert” and a chancellorship of the DC schools.

See also Betsy DeVos on that, though she has zero experience with public schools. She just proclaims she is an expert, and violin viola.

You are probably more expert on China than 98% of the American public; while it might not fit your self-respect to claim you are an expert on China, there is no shame in telling what you do know about it (or even making money on that if you can).

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:32:01am

re: #154 Anymouse

To be an expert accepted by the ultraright wing, you have merely have to ascribe to the core tenets of conservatism: family, God and “self-reliance.” So, to be a schools expert, you say the public schools displace families as the rightful educators of children, are Godless and/or agents of secular humanism/the Devil, and teach dependence on The Government. Bingo! After that, you can write or say any sort of utter nonsense and be cited as an expert.

Meanwhile, to be an expert accepted by the ultraleft wing, you have merely to ascribe to their core tenets: all American government is inherently evil, science is to be distrusted because feelings, and Russia is not so bad a place, really. After that, you can write or say any sort of utter nonsense and be cited as an expert.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:41:11am

The thing about education experts is everyone has gone to a school of one sort or another, so they figure that experience entitles them to have expert opinions on the subject. It makes no difference that they have had no experience actually teaching classes or running a school. They were once students, and so they *know* what’s wrong with the public schools.

Teachers get really pissed at experts (and education professors, FTM) who claim to know how to “do” education without having any real practical experience as teachers. It’s akin to someone telling his surgeon what procedures to follow, or an airline passenger giving pointers to the pilot.

Betsy DeVos is by far the worst nominee for the Education Dept in my memory. I’m hoping that the career staff in the department — assuming it still exists in four years — can manage to keep things running for the next president to manage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:44:03am

re: #156 wheat-dogg

Betsy DeVos is by far the worst nominee for the Education Dept in my memory. I’m hoping the the career staff in the department — assuming it still exists in four years — can managed to keep things running for the next president to manage.

It is a case of an ideological agenda (Get God and Traditional Family Values back into schools) being hijacked and exploited by a much more mundane agenda: milk the education system for all the money you can by claiming to be an expert and having solutions to problems that exist only in the minds of a few deranged believers.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:47:21am

Well, I’m off to bed. It’s late and the cat is trying to herd me into the bedroom because he is cold and wants to cuddle up to me.

(That sounded different in my head.)

Felix Randomkitty’s normal sleeping position is between my wife and me (morals monitor).

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:47:29am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a case of an ideological agenda (Get God and Traditional Family Values back into schools) being hijacked and exploited by a much more mundane agenda: milk the education system for all the money you can by claiming to be an expert and having solutions to problems that exist only in the minds of a few deranged believers.

There’s big money in corporatizing education.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:48:25am

re: #159 wheat-dogg

There’s big money in corporatizing education.

and very little transparency or responsibility.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:26:32am
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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:35:01am

re: #161 Timothy Watson

Doug Mataconis is a far-right fuck. I trust him as much as I trust David Frum and Ben Howe and all the other NeverTrump fucks. Which is that I don’t. Fuckin’ snake oil.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:38:03am

re: #162 teleskiguy

Doug Mataconis is a far-right fuck. I trust him as much as I trust David Frum and Ben Howe and all the other NeverTrump fucks. Which is that I don’t. Fuckin’ snake oil.

He isn’t “far-right”, he’s a NeverTrump libertarian who voted for Clinton.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:45:54am

re: #163 Timothy Watson

He isn’t “far-right”, he’s a NeverTrump libertarian who voted for Clinton.

I rest my case.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:46:38am

Libertarianism poisons everything.

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BigPapa  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:29:56am

Conservatism poisons everything. Libertarianism shits all over everything. But let’s not split hairs.

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BigPapa  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:36:00am

Thomas Sowell calling it quits. I thought he was pretty wise when I was 22. I grew out of that thinking about the same time I grew out of my Ayn Rand hipsterism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:09:44am

re: #167 BigPapa

Thomas Sowell calling it quits. I thought he was pretty wise when I was 22. I grew out of that thinking about the same time I grew out of my Ayn Rand hipsterism.

I lived in a house at Indiana University in Bloomington in the late 70’s with some serious libertarian Randists. Music majors. Never could figure out how guys with such great talent and taste in music could have such screwed up views about society, economy and politics.

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Jayleia  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:15:03am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Same way Dr. Carson can be one of the few guys I would choose by name to dig around in my skull, but at the same time he’s still THAT Ben Carson.

People MIGHT actually be stranger than cats.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:17:53am

re: #169 Jayleia

Same way Dr. Carson can be one of the few guys I would choose by name to dig around in my skull, but at the same time he’s still THAT Ben Carson.

People MIGHT actually be stranger than cats.

I came with time to understand how someone can be brilliant at one thing and a total idiot about nearly everything else. I was just reading about Henry Ford and the total disasters he precipitated with his Model A venture and his attempt at founding a rubber plantation in Brazil. And publishing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:36:32am

re: #169 Jayleia

People MIGHT actually be stranger than cats.

Cat’s aren’t strange. The Egyptians had it right.

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BigPapa  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:41:20am

Luck has a lot to do with it. I’ve worked for some movers and shakers… some of them aren’t really that bright. Some are very bright, only in a few areas, child like naivete in others. The smarter ones understand their limitations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:42:34am

re: #172 BigPapa

Luck has a lot to do with it. I’ve worked for some movers and shakers… some of them aren’t really that bright. Some are very bright, only in a few areas, child like naivete in others. The smarter ones understand their limitations.

Problem is, if your particular talent happens to have a high market value, it is immediately assumed that you are some kind of genius at everything.

Even if your particular talent happens to be screwing people over and still coming up smelling like a rose.

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BigPapa  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:43:34am

I’m worried Trump’s Twitter account could be hacked.

But I worry we wouldn’t know the difference.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:50:59am

re: #174 BigPapa

I’m worried Trump’s Twitter account could be hacked.

But I worry we wouldn’t know the difference.

His phone is probably not secured, so it’s supremely hackable. I’m hoping the security wonks at the White House will convince him to use a secure phone once he has control of the POTUS account.

He will probably ignore them, and continue to tweet utter bullshit as president. His handlers will then get on the complacent media outlets to explain what the bullshit means at that moment of the day, subject to later interpretation or change by the OP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:00:49am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

He will probably ignore them, and continue to tweet utter bullshit as president. His handlers will then get on the complacent media outlets to explain what the bullshit means at that moment of the day, subject to later interpretation or change by the OP.

Trump is a consummate deal-maker. Part of that art involves telling the person whatever they need to hear at that particular moment in order to get them to sign on to the deal. That approach has serious shortcomings when applied to domestic politics and especially international diplomacy.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:00:36am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is a consummate deal-maker. Part of that art involves telling the person whatever they need to hear at that particular moment in order to get them to sign on to the deal. That approach has serious shortcomings when applied to domestic politics and especially international diplomacy.

Tactics, as opposed to strategy. I don’t see anyone in this Cabinet capable of long-range strategy, other than to dismantle the government piece by piece.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:04:18am

The principal of the Taiwan high school where a group of students dressed up as Nazis has resigned his post.

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Jayleia  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:07:42am

re: #178 wheat-dogg

SOMEONE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?! Well, other than Milo, Spencer and the other fuckwits…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:09:00am

re: #178 wheat-dogg

The principal of the Taiwan high school where a group of students dressed up as Nazis has resigned his post.

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I don’t know that much about Taiwanese/Chinese culture, but I figured dressing up as the allies of Imperial Japan would be a no-go from the start.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:16:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Trump’s already told us. It’s great because he’s the guy who’ll be in the WH. The white guy. Not the black guy. Not the woman. Him. The ignorant bigot whose biggest supporters wanted to reclaim the days when minorities, PoC, women, religious minorities were restricted in their rights and white guys could get away with most everything.

Now, all those other groups have more rights, and have moved towards equality, though they’re no where near equals. And these bigoted folks think that others having the same rights deprives them of their own rights.

But it’s a hoot reading how Trump thinks that the economy binging ahead of him taking office is somehow due to him, and not necessarily despite him - everyone’s binging because they’re stocking up for the inevitable bust when his economy craters as the tax cuts saps govt resources, safety net programs go away, and the poor and those least able to afford are sacrificed on the altar of trickle down so the rich can get richer - and pass on that wealth unfettered to their offspring.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:20:19am

re: #180 Timothy Watson

I don’t know that much about Taiwanese/Chinese culture, but I figured dressing up as the allies of Imperial Japan would be a no-go from the start.

According to the story, the class had to choose a historical figure. They voted for Hitler, the teacher suggested it might be controversial, then the students voted for Hitler again. At which point the grownups should’ve stepped in and put a stop to it, but didn’t.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:23:50am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

According to the story, the class had to choose a historical figure. They voted for Hitler, the teacher suggested it might be controversial, then the students voted for Hitler again. At which point the grownups should’ve stepped in and put a stop to it, but didn’t.

I wonder if a side-effect of “entrance exam-based” education isn’t the tendency to treat history as just another list of facts to be memorized, especially in east Asia; IOW, essentially ahistorical. I have no idea—just musing. I know there have been K-Pop and J-Pop acts that have gotten in trouble recently for wearing Nazi-themed uniforms on stage.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:26:08am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

I wonder if a side-effect of “entrance exam-based” education isn’t the tendency to treat history as just another list of facts to be memorized, especially in east Asia; IOW, essentially ahistorical. I have no idea—just musing. I know there have been K-Pop and J-Pop acts that have gotten in trouble recently for wearing Nazi-themed uniforms on stage.

Didn’t know that. Going for the shock value, and were too shocking?

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:26:34am

Drudge pushing Trump propaganda:

This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump or anything Trump could have done.

Tesla and Panasonic are taking advantage of the Buffalo Billion program, which was launched by Gov. Cuomo. The program is not without its problems, including several key officials being indicted for corruption and payoffs. Nothing so far links the corruption to these companies, but they’ll take advantage of the tax breaks proffered.

In fact, it’s been in the works for months - well before Trump was even elected. The deal was contingent on Tesla and Solar City being allowed to merge.

The Buffalo plant Tesla has chosen was originally meant to be a production facility for SolarCity. SolarCity originally wanted the Buffalo plant to be up and running this year, but the plant’s production timeline was delayed until 2017, the Buffalo News reported in August.

The state of New York is spending $750 million on the Buffalo plant as part of an economic revitalization project called the Buffalo Billion initiative. Federal investigators are currently probing the initiative to see how money and contracts were distributed, according to the New York Times.

SolarCity has pledged $150 million for the Buffalo plant, which costs a total of $900 million.

Tesla and Panasonic would collaborate on the manufacturing and production of solar cells and modules at the plant, Tesla wrote in its blog post. Those products would work “seamlessly” with Tesla’s energy storage products, the Powerwall and Powerpack.

SolarCity would be responsible for installation, sales, and financing as part of the agreement, according to the blog post.

The plant’s initial solar panel production would center around the roof product SolarCity and Tesla have been teasing ahead of the merger vote, the Buffalo news also reported.

Tesla and SolarCity will unveil the solar roof product on October 28 in the San Francisco area.

But since Drudge is pushing agitprop, he’s making it seem as though Trump’s the one who creates the jobs or is bringing manufacturing back.

In fact, it’s a state-built factory to encourage tech in the Rust Belt. That’s hardly the model that Trump - let alone his GOP extremist supporters - would approve of. Think Solandrya except that the government is the one building the facility, not merely giving a loan to a company that later fails.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:26:52am

re: #179 Jayleia

SOMEONE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?! Well, other than Milo, Spencer and the other fuckwits…

A previous report said the teacher in charge of the class tried to persuade them that a Nazi theme would be unpopular, but the students were adamant. He later said he regretted not vetoing the idea.

In my book, this teacher should resign and not the principal, but I assume the principal holds to the principle of “the buck stops here.”

Clearly, somewhere in these students’ education they never learned that Nazi = bad, really bad, as in really not very popular.

re: #180 Timothy Watson

I don’t know that much about Taiwanese/Chinese culture, but I figured dressing up as the allies of Imperial Japan would be a no-go from the start.

It’s about the same as dressing up in uniforms from the Japanese occupation, specifically the Nanjing division. But it seems these kids didn’t realize the Nazis were allies of Imperial Japan, or that dressing up as Nazis would be highly offensive to most people.

Anecdotally, I’ve noted that young people in China have a very hazy sense of European history, and don’t even realize how hateful a figure Hitler is. Meanwhile, they get a very one-sided view of the Japanese occupation, in which Chinese never did anything bad at all and the Japanese were barbaric monsters.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:27:44am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

According to the story, the class had to choose a historical figure. They voted for Hitler, the teacher suggested it might be controversial, then the students voted for Hitler again. At which point the grownups should’ve stepped in and put a stop to it, but didn’t.

Yeah, I saw that. Maybe it’s because people are more aware of the Holocaust, etc. in North America and Europe, but I can’t imagine an American high school class voting for Hitler.

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jeffreyw  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:28:23am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:28:26am

re: #180 Timothy Watson

I don’t know that much about Taiwanese/Chinese culture, but I figured dressing up as the allies of Imperial Japan would be a no-go from the start.

I also do not know what was behind it.

I often found it difficult to explain that although I was quite aware that the Nazis and the SS were evil and nasty, I was nonetheless fascinated by their uniforms and their equipment. That is part of the allure of the Dark Side, I guess…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:31:07am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I saw that. Maybe it’s because people are more aware of the Holocaust, etc. in North America and Europe, but I can’t imagine an American high school class voting for Hitler.

Though I have no doubt some would vote for Robert E. Lee and parade with Confederate Battle Flags.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:32:01am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also do not know what was behind it.

I often found it difficult to explain that although I was quite aware that the Nazis and the SS were evil and nasty, I was nonetheless fascinated by their uniforms and their equipment. That is part of the allure of the Dark Side, I guess…

The Nazis did know how to put on a show.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:37:17am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

I wonder if a side-effect of “entrance exam-based” education isn’t the tendency to treat history as just another list of facts to be memorized, especially in east Asia; IOW, essentially ahistorical. I have no idea—just musing. I know there have been K-Pop and J-Pop acts that have gotten in trouble recently for wearing Nazi-themed uniforms on stage.

I’m not an expert in Taiwan’s education system, but I’m not sure it is as reliant on exam-based education as the mainland is. Here in Big China, education is primarily rote memorization: teacher speaks, students listen (as if), and exams test the students’ memory of what they have learned or read. Students in middle school and high school — and even in their elective classes in college — never discuss or debate or analyze history or literature. My ESL students have a really difficult time summarizing English passages in order to answer questions about those passages, but if the question’s answer is contained verbatim in the text, they have no trouble with it.

As you can imagine, Chinese students coming to study in western universities have a serious adjustment problem dealing with our more free-wheeling classroom environments.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:38:46am

Shared for fellow computer geeks of a certain age to enjoy.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:39:52am

re: #103 Anymouse

Thanks Obama!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:41:25am

re: #185 lawhawk

These are the lies we can look forward to for the next four years. Our side needs to publicly push back on them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:47:14am

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

These are the lies we can look forward to for the next four years. Our side needs to publicly push back on them.

Good luck with that push back. It depends on a press that reports objective reality and not aspirational propaganda.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:49:24am

Fuck 2016 with a rusty pitchfork sideways.

Seriously…

That’s on top of Everybody Hates Chris star Ricky Harris:

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:51:35am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then our side needs to create a press that pushes back on media outlets like Drudge. Doesn’t seem like an impossible task given websites like LGF. I’ve given up on MSNBC and CNN but Washington Post still pushes back on Rightwing lies so there’s that.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:51:59am

re: #192 wheat-dogg

I’m not an expert in Taiwan’s education system, but I’m not sure it is as reliant on exam-based education as the mainland is. Here in Big China, education is primarily rote memorization: teacher speaks, students listen (as if), and exams test the students’ memory of what they have learned or read. Students in middle school and high school — and even in their elective classes in college — never discuss or debate or analyze history or literature. My ESL students have a really difficult time summarizing English passages in order to answer questions about those passages, but if the question’s answer is contained verbatim in the text, they have no trouble with it.

As you can imagine, Chinese students coming to study in western universities have a serious adjustment problem dealing with our more free-wheeling classroom environments.

I don’t know much about Taiwan’s ed. either. One thing that struck me, and I’ve seen this is South Korea, too, is the imprint that Japan seems to have left even after WWII and the Chinese Civil war. Just the structure of the ferro-concrete utilitarian school in the background is reminiscent of schools I attended or taught at in Japan. And I guess it wouldn’t be surprising—SK leaders like Park Chung-Hee and Taiwan’s Li Teng-Hui came of age under Japanese tutelage. Again, all just speculation. I think you’re right about the hazy understandings of European history, though.

Also, absolutely agree with your assessment about adjustment for Chinese students here. My students are better now at catching on to plagiarism issues than 10 years ago (when there was no shame at all in constructing papers out of cut/paste), but they—hell, American students, too—need help in critical thinking and argumentative writing.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:54:02am

More lies to push back.

Speaker Ryan’s twitter feed pushes this nonsense incessantly - namely that Obamacare has failed and is failing, and must be repealed/replaced.

Facts are a stubborn thing, but when you repeat the lie enough times, people believe them over the facts (because it’s hard to do the research themselves to disprove).

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:55:26am

re: #199 Barefoot Grin

That last part is something the Right Wing actively discourages in the USA. Conservative education “reforms” would not be much different in style from the rote memorization of Chinese schools. Critical thinking and analysis? Those are the devil’s playground!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:00:50am

re: #198 Patricia Kayden

Then our side needs to create a press that pushes back on media outlets like Drudge. Doesn’t seem like an impossible task given websites like LGF. I’ve given up on MSNBC and CNN but Washington Post still pushes back on Rightwing lies so there’s that.

We can create all the outlets we want, but they have already created a mass audience of drone brains that accept their news unquestioningly and react accordingly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:01:23am

re: #201 wheat-dogg

That last part is something the Right Wing actively discourages in the USA. Conservative education “reforms” would not be much different in style from the rote memorization of Chinese schools. Critical thinking and analysis? Those are the devil’s playground!

Memorizing Bible verses.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:02:27am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Memorizing Bible verses.

But avoiding the liberal ones.

Like all of the Beatitudes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:02:38am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Memorizing Bible verses.

The Bible is really the only textbook any school needs. History, biology, math (Pi=3); its all there.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:03:30am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

But avoiding the liberal ones.

Like all of the Beatitudes.

Heavy on the Leviticus

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:04:30am

Nasdaq hits all time high. Trump takes credit.

US home prices soar. Trump takes credit.

Interest rate go up. Trump blames Obama.

This is how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:04:44am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heavy on the Leviticus

Some of Leviticus. There are passages that say “be nice to your neighbors.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:08:41am

re: #207 Skip Intro

Nasdaq hits all time high. Trump takes credit.

US home prices soar. Trump takes credit.

Interest rate go up. Trump blames Obama.

This is how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.

Oil prices soar because of increased political tensions. Trump blames Obama for not drilling and building more pipelines.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:11:02am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oil prices soar because of increased political tensions. Trump blames Obama for not drilling and building more pipelines.

Mar a Lago is swamped in a hurricane. Trump blames Obama, just because.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:11:42am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oil prices soar because of increased political tensions. Trump blames Obama for not drilling and building more pipelines.

Oil prices rise because OPEC and other oil producing nations are getting squeezed by sub $40 oil prices (due to glut caused by higher efficiencies and reduced demand from more efficient vehicles, which more than offsets rise in demand from worldwide economic growth), collude to reduce output to keep oil prices artificially high.

Trump blames Obama.

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Jayleia  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:13:01am

re: #210 wheat-dogg

Also, Mar a Lago is NOT swamped in a hurricane, enabling El Caudillo de Mar a Lago to collect bookoo Ameros from the insurance company, Trump blames Obama…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:15:25am

Tony-award winning actor George S. Irving has died, age 94.
playbill.com

One of his co-stars was Debbie Reynolds, who’s still kicking.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:16:34am

re: #212 Jayleia

Also, Mar a Lago is NOT swamped in a hurricane, enabling El Caudillo de Mar a Lago to collect bookoo Ameros from the insurance company, Trump blames Obama…

Hurricanes are “acts of God,” so he’d better pay extra for a rider to his insurance policy.

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Jayleia  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:21:12am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

No they’re not, Trump, the new King didn’t do it.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:21:52am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And our side was able to overcome those drone heads in 2008 and 2012.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:23:24am

re: #207 Skip Intro

Nasdaq hits all time high. Trump takes credit.

US home prices soar. Trump takes credit.

Interest rate go up. Trump blames Obama.

This is how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.

Who would buy into that except Rightwingers? That’s not going to fly since Trump has full control of the Federal government including Congress and SCOTUS.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:23:28am

re: #215 Jayleia

No they’re not, Trump, the new King didn’t do it.

I stand corrected. He might want to be careful around Easter-time though. A previous Messianic king had some difficulties around that time of year.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:26:35am

My new TV binge: The Crown. It’s pretty good so far (episode 2 - George VI has died, Elizabeth succeeds him).

Sorry, was that a spoiler? //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:27:44am

re: #216 Patricia Kayden

And our side was able to overcome those drone heads in 2008 and 2012.

we did in 2016, just not in the right strategic places…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:28:47am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

My new TV binge: The Crown. It’s pretty good so far (episode 2 - George VI has died, Elizabeth succeeds him).

Sorry, was that a spoiler? //

I been following it as background noise for working in the kitchen…must admit that aside from the tacky family melodrama, I like the bits with Winston Churchill and the politics of the day.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:39:26am

re: #118 wheat-dogg

Let’s hope there isn’t another Thirty Years War.

Probably will be though. It just occurred to me how much Trump resembles some of the Popes before The Reformation, like Alexander VI (also known as Roderic Borgia). As per Tuchman’s book, The March of Folly such venal people in positions of power can’t help but trigger crises.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:42:44am

re: #222 Romantic Heretic

Let’s hope there isn’t another Thirty Years War.

Probably will be though. It just occurred to me how much Trump resembles some of the Popes before The Reformation, like Alexander VI (also known as Roderic Borgia). As per Tuchman’s book, The March of Folly such venal people in positions of power can’t help but trigger crises.

Christ, the Borgia metaphor is perfect given some of the claims regarding Roderic and his daughter Lucrezia.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:51:47am

re: #188 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Oh, man! Looks likes sourdough French Toast, and the bacon is getting syrup on it….

And me, all out of bacon!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:01:10am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

Who would buy into that except Rightwingers? That’s not going to fly since Trump has full control of the Federal government including Congress and SCOTUS.

That is all Trump needed to get elected, the 46% who believe whatever Trump and rightwing media say. And most mainstream media will report that BOTH SIDES! are playing the “blame game.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:02:35am

Matt may have intended this humorously, but The Older Boy is a low-social-needs introvert with social anxiety and ASD working as a Courtesy Clerk.

Could be worse, though. He could have a job cold-calling people to sell them something they don’t need - which Mrs. FBW did for a VERY brief time, back in 1981. I think she lasted a week.

(forgot tweet)

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jeffreyw  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:02:40am

re: #224 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, man! Looks likes sourdough French Toast, and the bacon is getting syrup on it….

And me, all out of bacon!

Sad!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:03:32am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

Tony-award winning actor George S. Irving has died, age 94.
playbill.com

One of his co-stars was Debbie Reynolds, who’s still kicking.

And I read visiting her daughter, who also will apparently manage to survive 2016, in the hospital.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:15:22am

re: #227 jeffreyw

Sad!

You’re damned right I’m sad! I s’pose I’ll have to get some when I pick The Older Boy up after his shift.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:20:05am

re: #222 Romantic Heretic

The March of Folly, the book, may have ended with Vietnam, but you can bet Folly, the activity, did not. Too bad Tuchman isn’t around to do volume 2.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:29:10am

In other news, I’ve just heard that Israel is blaming the US for “engineering the Security Coucil vote,” and will “present the proof to the Trump administration.” (As we know, no such resolution has ever been offered for SC consideration.)

The world (or at least Benjamin Netanyahu) is going completely, totally mad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:32:41am

re: #231 Resistance Is Not Futile

In other news, I’ve just heard that Israel is blaming the US for “engineering the Security Coucil vote,” and will “present the proof to the Trump administration.” (As we know, no such resolution has ever been offered for SC consideration.)

The world (or at least Benjamin Netanyahu) is going completely, totally mad.

Can’t we get the CIA to look into this? Everyone knows that they are trustworthy…

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:34:16am

re: #171 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Cat’s aren’t strange. The Egyptians had it right.

My cat loves fruitcake.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:35:21am

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

The Nazis did know how to put on a show.

The Nazi Show was a big part of luring everyone in. Group think is a powerful thing.

Put group think in a big staged rally with cool trappings and a dynamic speaker (even if nuts) and people start to accept it.

We may have seen some of that with so many voters jumping on Trump at the last moment. He had those big rallys too…with trappings, etc.

Sadly, humans sometimes stop thinking and just following along. It’s easy and the large group can’t all be wrong, so they join in. Group think = safety in numbers. Once people feel safe and take on group thinking look out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:36:41am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Sadly, humans sometimes stop thinking and just following along. It easy and the large group can’t all be wrong, so they join in. Group think = safety in numbers. Once people feel safe and take on group thinking look out.

Especially when they feel that trying to find out or tell the truth is pointless in the face of massive lies to an accepting audience.

I am afraid we are about to reach that tipping point.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:45:00am

These dumb fucks==>

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:56:05am

Perpetual blowhard, foot fetishist, and overrated head coach Rex Ryan fired by the Bills.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:06:43am

re: #200 lawhawk

Well this is clearly the fakiest fake news that was ever faked.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:07:16am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

These dumb fucks==>

[Embedded content]

Is this all some kind of fun for these folks?

I guess all this alt_right hate stuff is just some kind of a computer game with some.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:15:42am

2016’s grim march continues.

The author of Watership Down, Richard Adams, has died aged 96, his daughter has said.

bbc.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:26:00am

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

2016’s grim march continues.

bbc.com

OK well, you can’t complain when a 96-year-old passes away, that’s kind of to be expected at their age.

However my mom is 93 and in great shape and her mom lived to be 101.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:26:23am

re: #237 lawhawk

What is wrong with liking feet? The bonier the ankle the better!

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:27:14am

Trump picks former Bush aide for counterterror adviser

Bossert will focus on protecting the country from counterterrorism threats, while retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the incoming national security adviser, will focus on “international security challenges.”

Isn’t counter-terrorism what we’re supposed to be doing? Or am I just being a dumbshit again?

thehill.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:28:26am

re: #243 Skip Intro

Trump picks former Bush aide for counterterror adviser

Isn’t counter-terrorism what we’re supposed to be doing? Or am I just being a dumbshit again?

thehill.com

I’d have thought so.

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Semper Fi  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:48:52am

re: #237 lawhawk

Perpetual blowhard, foot fetishist, and overrated head coach Rex Ryan fired by the Bills.

[Embedded content]

Hallelujah!!

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:51:19am
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Semper Fi  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:53:34am

re: #239 ObserverArt

Is this all some kind of fun for these folks?

I guess all this alt_right hate stuff is just some kind of a computer game with some.

When I see Trump clapping his hands I *know* it’s all a game show.

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:54:48am

re: #246 lawhawk

Donald Trump appoints Jason Greenblatt as Special Representative for International Negotiations

Is that a legit government position, or is this a TrumpCo thing?

I’m thinking the latter.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:55:38am

People magazine saying Carrie Fisher has died.

Fucking a

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:56:13am

re: #243 Skip Intro

That’s how Trump’s PR put it. Clearly the person writing their PR doesn’t get that counterterrorism is what you do to prevent terrorism from occurring.

Tom Bossert, who served as Bush’s deputy homeland security adviser, will join Trump’s White House as the assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism.

That role will be expanded under the Trump administration, according to a news release announcing the appointment, to give Bossert an “independent status alongside the National Security Advisor.”

Bossert will focus on protecting the country from counterterrorism threats, while retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the incoming national security adviser, will focus on “international security challenges.”

“Tom brings enormous depth and breadth of knowledge and experience to protecting the homeland to our senior White House team,” Trump said in the statement.

Splitting domestic/foreign counterterrorism (along lines of MI-5, MI-6) makes some sense, even if the people that Trump’s chosen are bugnuts - Flynn for one.

But that Trump’s picking lots of people who aren’t answerable to anyone but Trump means that there’s going to be a lot more free-wheeling and less coordination than one should expect. That means there’s a greater chance that threats fall through the cracks.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:56:49am

re: #242 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I remember when the Pats were in the playoffs when the fetish story came out. Wes Seller made a few wiseass remarks about how Rex should “put his best foot forward”, heh heh!

Belichick benched him. Bill had no sense of humor.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:01:26am

re: #249 Stanley Sea

People magazine saying Carrie Fisher has died.

Fucking a

Fuck.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:01:31am

re: #248 makeitstop

It’s a new position.

A couple of possibilities:

1) Trump’s going to parse out all the jobs that the President normally does, and he’ll do the figurehead bit.

2) Alternatively, it just means that he’ll be operating outside the State Department’s usual chain of command and be a rival to whoever ends up at State (if Tillerson doesn’t get confirmed that is).

3) It’s akin to the Special Envoy role usually employed for foreign diplomacy (and usually has a rank of Ambassador) and therefore is just rebadging a position that is sometimes filled by the Secretary of State or by someone else designated by the President for specific situations.

I think it’s a cross between the three, and it’ll be some time before we know what they’re actually going to do.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:02:06am

The alphamales in the Fraternal Order of Police have their precious feel-feels in a lurch:

(Hadn’t heard about this until I saw a story on my local news yesterday.)

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:03:18am

re: #249 Stanley Sea

People magazine saying Carrie Fisher has died.

Fucking a

Fuck, AP confirming:

She was probably on life-support and they decided to wait until after Christmas.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:03:57am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:04:28am

Fuck you 2016!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:06:00am

re: #256 lawhawk

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Shit.

RIP and thanks for the memories.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:06:52am

re: #254 Timothy Watson

Or they could, you know, stop shooting unarmed black people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:11:18am

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Or they could, you know, stop shooting unarmed black people.

Unarmed black people should stop threatening the lives of police officers!

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:13:26am

re: #254 Timothy Watson

Between this, and calls not to provide security for performers who dare complain about the shooting of unarmed black people, it’s like the motto has changed from ‘To Protect And To Serve’ to ‘Nice Country You Got Here. Be A Shame If Something Was To Happen To It’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:14:20am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unarmed black people should stop threatening the lives of police officers!

/

By being all black and scary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:16:10am

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

By being all black and scary.

and running away in a threatening manner

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:16:18am

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Between this, and calls not to provide security for performers who dare complain about the shooting of unarmed black people, it’s like the motto has changed from ‘To Protect And To Serve’ to ‘Nice Country You Got Here. Be A Shame If Something Was To Happen To It’

If I was a sociologist, I could write an entire book about the effects that post-9/11 “hero” worship has had on our culture.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:17:31am

George RR Martin apologizes for treating 2016 as his personal Game of Thrones killing off everyone left and right.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:17:47am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:18:26am

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

By being all black and scary.

Have they even tried to not be black? Just sayin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:18:55am

re: #264 Timothy Watson

If I was a sociologist, I could write an entire book about the effects that post-9/11 “hero” worship has had on our culture.

Scared people want simple answers, heroes and villains, and no subtlety about otherwise good people doing bad things.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:19:45am

re: #266 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

“I’m not a racist. I just play one on TV.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:20:14am

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Scared people want simple answers, heroes and villains, and no subtlety about otherwise good people doing bad things.

It does not help that political discourse is all but restricted to Tweets, Internet memes and bullet points. Anything beyond that degenerates into a shouting match.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:20:26am

YOU BASTARD 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:22:23am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Actress and author Carrie Fisher, best known for role in “Star Wars” series, has died, her daughter’s publicist says

Is this going to have any impact on the story line of upcoming Star Wars episodes or was her appearance in The Force Awakens just a one-off?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:22:42am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unarmed black people should stop threatening the lives of police officers!

/

Somewhat related…I was watching Dave Chappelle’s monologue from his recent-ish appearance on SNL. He was riffing on the blue lives vs. black lives matter. His bit was something to the effect of Last time he checked, no one was born blue, and that cops can quit whenever they wanted. I thought it was a pretty interesting comment—one that I hadn’t heard before.

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:23:20am

re: #248 makeitstop

Is that a legit government position, or is this a TrumpCo thing?

I’m thinking the latter.

He’ll be spending his time “special negotiating” for Trump hotels as a representative of the US government.

Trump isn’t even going to try to hide his use of his office for personal gain.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:23:23am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is this going to have any impact on the story line of upcoming Star Wars episodes or was her appearance in The Force Awakens just a one-off?

If they don’t want to write Princess Leia out, they may digitize her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:24:12am

re: #273 Mike Lamb

Somewhat related…I was watching Dave Chappelle’s monologue from his recent-ish appearance on SNL. He was riffing on the blue lives vs. black lives matter. His bit was something to the effect of Last time he checked, no one was born blue, and that cops can quit whenever they wanted. I thought it was a pretty interesting comment—one that I hadn’t heard before.

…and his closing comment :”if there was some way to take off this black skin, I’d be out the gate!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:24:27am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is this going to have any impact on the story line of upcoming Star Wars episodes or was her appearance in The Force Awakens just a one-off?

Given that the antagonist is her son I suspect she would have appeared at least in episode VIII.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:24:46am

re: #274 Skip Intro

He’ll be spending his time “special negotiating” for Trump hotels as a representative of the US government.

Trump isn’t even going to try to hide his use of his office for personal gain.

Even Sarah Palin was appalled at the quick development of cronyism in the coming Trump administration. I wonder how long until she’s coopted?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:25:08am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is this going to have any impact on the story line of upcoming Star Wars episodes or was her appearance in The Force Awakens just a one-off?

I think Episode VIII has already wrapped and it’s in post-production.

Yeah, I just looked on the IMDB. It’s in post-production.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:25:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:25:36am

re: #275 Big Beautiful Door

If they don’t want to write Princess Leia out, they may digitize her.

She probably completed most of her scenes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:25:39am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does not help that political discourse is all but restricted to Tweets, Internet memes and bullet points. Anything beyond that degenerates into a shouting match.

I consider those more of a symptom than a cause, which is the unmooring of a large segment of the population from shared reality. Perfect example is just how quickly the term ‘Fake News’ - originally created to describe stories that were completely made up, with no basis in reality- got applied to actual news organizations.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:27:08am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is this going to have any impact on the story line of upcoming Star Wars episodes or was her appearance in The Force Awakens just a one-off?

Episode VIII is done filming. They finished last summer.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:27:34am

re: #264 Timothy Watson

If I was a sociologist, I could write an entire book about the effects that post-9/11 “hero” worship has had on our culture.

Look - the EMTs, cops, and firefighters who raced into the WTC to try and save lives were heroes. They died heroically in the quest to save the lives of others.

The GOP, however, treated them like crap for years thereafter. They used them as props whenever they needed to claim patriotic bona fides, but the reality is that they opposed and delayed funding Zadroga Act to help with the multitude of ailments Ground Zero rescuers suffered in the wake of the attacks. They treated them as disposable heroes.

Same thing with the soldiers who went off to Afghanistan and then on to Iraq. Patriotic minded, but the GOP treated them as disposable heroes as well - never quite funding the VA properly, let alone giving them the mental health support they deserved.

At the same time, a lot of people went on thinking that cops and soldiers (or firefighters) could do no wrong, which simply isn’t true either. They overlooked or excused behavior, but with the growing presence of smart phones and cameras that could capture depravities and police violence, we see that these people are not so much different than the communities they police - they too can be criminal and use deadly force.

All we ask is that cops and soldiers be held accountable for their actions - that if they do something illegal that they be held to account. If a cop shoots someone who is unarmed, that the case is investigated thoroughly and the cop has to account for why they shot - and because they were big and black is not a valid answer (though it is essentially the get out of jail free card for many cops precisely because they think that they’re in mortal peril from a black teen kid playing with a toy gun or a black man carrying a gun in an open carry state, or just jaywalking or otherwise walking or driving while black). And the same goes for all those who are mentally ill who are killed by cops, instead of using less-than-deadly force to attempt to restrain these people so they can get the care they need.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:28:01am

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Episode VIII is done filming. They finished last summer.

They will dedicate the movie to her I’m sure.

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scottslemmons  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:28:23am

Carrie Fisher and Richard Adams, author of “Watership Down.” :(

This has been a dogbuggering fuck of a year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:28:28am

re: #282 Blind Frog Belly White

I consider those more of a symptom than a cause, which is the unmooring of a large segment of the population from shared reality. Perfect example is just how quickly the term ‘Fake News’ - originally created to describe stories that were completely made up, with no basis in reality- got applied to actual news organizations.

This goes back to a view that there are Larger Truths: Obama is a Muslim, Hillary is a criminal, both are traitors, Christmas is under attack, etc., so that anything that reflects that Higher Truth is viable in its own right, even if it is not corroborated by any objective facts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:29:00am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

She probably completed most of her scenes.

For Episode VIII, but there will be more movies to come.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:29:50am

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:29:56am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This goes back to a view that there are Larger Truths: Obama is a Muslim, Hillary is a criminal, both are criminals, Christmas is under attack, etc., so that anything that reflects that Higher Truth is viable in its own right, even if it is not corroborated by any objective facts.

It’s what happens when Belief is more important than Knowledge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:30:55am

re: #286 scottslemmons

Carrie Fisher and Richard Adams, author of “Watership Down.” :(

This has been a dogbuggering fuck of a year.

I sure hope 2017 doesn’t take “It can’t be any worse than 2016” as a challenge.

//darkly.

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:31:42am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

Dick Cheney, for balance?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:31:48am

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

I sure hope 2017 doesn’t take “It can’t be any worse than 2016” as a challenge.

//darkly.

Even in my most optimistic moments, I realize that things will have to get much worse before they can even start to get any better

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scottslemmons  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:32:17am

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

I sure hope 2017 doesn’t take “It can’t be any worse than 2016” as a challenge.

//darkly.

With Trump in charge, I think “worse than 2016” is the best-case-scenario. :(

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:33:40am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

We’re in George RR Martin territory here - forget 3… we’re in to the 300s. /half

Seriously, there’s been so many beloved musicians, entertainers, and famous people who have died this past year it’s hard to keep track.

The Grammys may need an entire broadcast just to cover the musicians lost this year - from Prince to Bowie to Lemmy to Keith Emerson and Greg Lake.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:34:00am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:34:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:34:43am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

Is it too much to hope for Pat Robertson?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:36:14am

re: #231 Resistance Is Not Futile

In other news, I’ve just heard that Israel is blaming the US for “engineering the Security Coucil vote,” and will “present the proof to the Trump administration.” (As we know, no such resolution has ever been offered for SC consideration.)

The world (or at least Benjamin Netanyahu) is going completely, totally mad.

Even if we did? So the fuck what. STOP BUILDING ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:36:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:36:23am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Is it too much to hope for Pat Robertson?

Just for the look on his face when he meets his Maker…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:37:57am

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s what happens when Belief is more important than Knowledge.

Which is what fundamentalist religions thrive on. To them, there can be no knowledge that goes against belief or does not originate from it.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:38:01am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cthulhu would be pleased.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:38:34am

re: #284 lawhawk

I’m not saying that the first responders on 9/11 weren’t heroes by running into burning buildings, but the culture turned anyone who puts a gun-belt on in the morning into an automatic hero who was above all criticism.

And I don’t think that everyone who served in the military is a hero either, it cheapens the word if you do. My dad, who was just a reservist during the Vietnam War, was embarrassed when someone found out he had been in the reserves and kept thanking him for his service.

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gocart mozart  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:39:41am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:40:01am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just for the look on his face when he meets his Maker…

That’s the problem with being an atheist - if I’m right and they’re wrong, none of us will ever know it.
//

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thedopefishlives  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:40:31am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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gocart mozart  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:41:38am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:43:32am

re: #296 lawhawk

WTF Ipsos…?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:44:07am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:44:45am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This goes back to a view that there are Larger Truths: Obama is a Muslim, Hillary is a criminal, both are criminals, Christmas is under attack, etc., so that anything that reflects that Higher Truth is viable in its own right, even if it is not corroborated by any objective facts.

Lies they live by and depend on, with full knowledge of the lies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:45:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:46:02am

re: #311 Unshaken Defiance

Lies they live by and depend on, with full knowledge of the lies.

There are those gullible enough to think that way: that is bad enough. But the Lowest Circle of Hell is reserved for those who know better but cynically exploit such thinking.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:48:15am

David Bowie, Carrie Fisher, and John Glenn are dead; Dick Cheney, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh are alive. Donald Trump is about to become President of the United States. 2016 is the year we have fallen into the hands of devils.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:48:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:51:58am
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Citizen K  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:54:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:55:05am
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thedopefishlives  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:55:11am

re: #317 Citizen K

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What exactly do you think caused the heart attack?////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:55:52am

re: #317 Citizen K

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:56:24am

re: #314 Shiplord Kirel

David Bowie, Carrie Fisher, and John Glenn are dead; Dick Cheney, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh are alive. Donald Trump is about to become President of the United States. 2016 is the year we have fallen into the hands of devils.

Its going to be a bad four years, but it probably won’t be as bad as 1861-65, unless Trump causes a nuclear war.

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ipsos  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:56:35am

re: #309 Unshaken Defiance

WTF Ipsos…?

Me? :)

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:57:53am

re: #322 ipsos

Me? :)

You downdinged lawhawk, comment #296

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prairiefire  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:58:17am

Sad! I read a post that her required weight reduction for the new movie could have weakened her heart by loss of fat. Also, she has had several sessions of electric shock therapy. I’ll always remember her down in the sewer with her great big gun!

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:00:13am

re: #323 Big Beautiful Door

My karma can take the hit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:02:54am

re: #325 lawhawk

My karma can take the hit.

But if you get 65 more downdings, you’ll drop below 225k!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:03:34am

re: #325 lawhawk

My karma can take the hit.

It’s the principle of the thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:09:13am
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Semper Fi  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:28:45am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

Years ago (decades really) I worked for the NYCRR where there was strong belief that bad luck happens in 3’s. Sure enough, it really seemed to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 11:32:54am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

George Michael
Carrie Fisher

Who will be number 3?

Vera Rubin on Christmas Day

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ipsos  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:13:58pm

re: #323 Big Beautiful Door

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