Trump Campaign Co-Chair Carl Paladino “Apologizes” for His Gutter Racism (But Not Really)

“I certainly am not a racist”
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Carl Paladino, a member of the Buffalo school board and the co-chair of Donald Trump’s New York campaign, got another 15 minutes of fame last week when he answered a survey from Buffalo alternative weekly Artvoice with some of the most repellent racist comments about President Obama and his wife Michelle you’ll ever see without visiting a neo-Nazi website.

After all the coverage and calls for him to resign from the school board (and probably a dressing down from Trump’s people if not Trump himself, because hey, it’s embarrassing when one of their guys lets his inner racist show in public), Paladino has now “apologized,” except of course it’s not a real apology because that’s how guys like this roll.

Here’s this mess of rancid bullshit, if you care to read it: Carl Paladino apologizes to ‘minority community’ for Obama remarks; explains motivation. It’s nearly as disgusting as the comments that made the pseudo-apology necessary.

Three points stand out:

  1. He says he only meant to email his survey responses to friends, privately, as if this somehow makes the vile comments less vile.
  2. He says he's not going to resign from the school board, because of course he isn't.
  3. He says he's not a racist.

Debased racists like Paladino always deny their racism; that’s nothing new. It’s almost as if they dimly realize they’re disgusting freaks who should be ashamed of themselves.

But in Paladino’s case, he’s denying something that’s been a matter of public record for a long, long time. Here’s a look back at Paladino’s history; I don’t recommend reading this if you’ve just eaten.

As I wrote when this latest scandal broke, it’s an utter disgrace that someone this hateful even has a career in politics at all, let alone being a member of a school board that oversees the education of children. But unfortunately it isn’t surprising at all that this vile reactionary cretin is connected to the Trump Horror.

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332 comments

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:47:34pm

Mistakes were made…
Sorry if anyone was offended…

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TedStriker  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:48:03pm

Paladino’s basically saying “I’m sorry that you were offended”.

Fuck him.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:52:10pm
He says he only meant to email his survey responses to friends, privately, as if this somehow makes the vile comments less vile.

Funny, but when the DNC said the same thing after their emails were made public, the response was “It doesn’t matter, you’re in politics, you have no expectation of privacy!”

The hypocrisy flows like a river through Republican politics.

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TedStriker  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:56:43pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Funny, but when the DNC said the same thing after their emails were made public, the response was “It doesn’t matter, you’re in politics, you have no expectation of privacy!”

The hypocrisy flows like a river through Republican politics.

As always these days, IOKIYAR, especially when it comes to media coverage.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:58:11pm
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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 1:58:25pm

“Sorry you saw the rotten to the core piece of shit that I am inside. I’ll hide it better next time.”

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unproven innocence  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:01:15pm

Carl Paladino apologizes to ‘minority community’
That apology should have been to EVERYONE.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:01:30pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:01:33pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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“And I said I gotta make it clear that I won the election! Chyna can wait!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:02:00pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

DEVELOPING: Trump Tower in NYC is being evacuated.

Interesting choice of image captioning….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:03:05pm

I’m so sick of these pathetic bigots.

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:03:15pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Bag of dog shit set on fire?

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:03:52pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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The contents? Trump’s tax returns.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:04:29pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:06:49pm

I’m sure the City of New York totally looks forward to 4 years of “suspicious package left in front of Trump Tower” headlines on a regular basis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:08:13pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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also, at this moment, POTUS and Abe are at Pearl Harbor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:08:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:11:57pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:12:14pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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I don’t see how residing in Trump Tower is allowed. I realize that part of the issue is that he’s President Elect and can’t move into the White House yet, but Melania isn’t relocating and it seems that President KFC Spork Hands will be spending more time away from the White House than possibly any President in modern history. It’s costly and dangerous (and not just for Drumpf). I’m shocked there isn’t some kind of statutory requirement that the President gets to live in the White House and a vacation house, but that’s it. It’s like when Frank Underwood stated that his house would be his office in House of Cards, but 100 times more difficult to secure, and about 1,000,000 times more inconvenient for nearby residents

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:12:28pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:12:38pm

De Blasio could probably get some serious brownie points right now if he sent notice to Trump Tower that they could start expecting bills from the city for the increased cost of security in light of today’s incident.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:13:02pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder how that’s gonna play with the hardliners back home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:14:31pm
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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:14:54pm

From downstairs. Little George and his Little Feat.

re: #81 wrenchwench

Little Feat - Roll Um Easy

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wrenchwench  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:18:31pm

re: #24 nines09

From downstairs. Little George and his Little Feat.

Since it’s OK to drag things forward…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:18:38pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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At first, I thought the ‘suspicious package’ was Trump’s. Then I realized it didn’t say ‘suspiciously SMALL package’.

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:20:40pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Why not? Fuck Trump.

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wrenchwench  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:21:39pm

re: #27 nines09

Why not? Fuck Trump.

And Paladino, while we’re at it.

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unproven innocence  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:23:11pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

De Blasio could probably get some serious brownie points right now if he sent notice to Trump Tower that they could start expecting bills from the city for the increased cost of security in light of today’s incident.

I have no doubt that Trump’s plan to split residency between DC and NYC has more to do with being a vengeful ass than with being an effective president.

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retired cynic  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:25:04pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

De Blasio could probably get some serious brownie points right now if he sent notice to Trump Tower that they could start expecting bills from the city for the increased cost of security in light of today’s incident.

Oh, they’ll just bill federal taxpayers. No problem!

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VegasGolfer  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:26:04pm

The package in question at trump tower probably contained a nice medium rare rib eye, hence the panic. We all know the orange haired buffoon likes his meat cooked well done.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:26:51pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting choice of image captioning….

Will this give Trump a clue that he needs to set up in the White House? This will not be the last time Trump Tower will go through something like an evacuation or worse. It can almost be counted on.

All his properties, or those with his name attached are potential targets. I know I sure as hell would not stay in any Trump owned hotel, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:26:54pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

At first, I thought the ‘suspicious package’ was Trump’s. Then I realized it didn’t say ‘suspiciously SMALL package’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:27:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:28:27pm
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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:29:33pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:30:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:34:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:43:18pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:45:50pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Birth Control Works  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:46:15pm

After 15 Big Mall Fights, Police See a Culprit: Teenage Boredom

News reported the fight at the mall by my house started in the food court. My first thought was, you know:

FOOD FIGHT! ala, I cannot remember which movie.

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Teukka  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:46:30pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Nah, 2017’s script is an adaptation of Stephen King’s “The Stand.”

Adapted for reality by George RR? ///

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:47:13pm

I’m just waiting for Trump to tweet about how Obama’s Pearl Harbor speech represents some sort of capitulation to Japan and betrayal of those that died. You know it’s coming.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #41 Birth Control Works

After 15 Big Mall Fights, Police See a Culprit: Teenage Boredom

News reported the fight at the mall by my house started in the food court. My first thought was, you know:

FOOD FIGHT! ala, I cannot remember which movie.

Animal House.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:48:50pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder what kind of evil, disgusting, historically and strategically illiterate spin the batshit right media will put on Obama/Abe at Pearl Harbor?

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TedStriker  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:49:14pm

re: #41 Birth Control Works

After 15 Big Mall Fights, Police See a Culprit: Teenage Boredom

News reported the fight at the mall by my house started in the food court. My first thought was, you know:

FOOD FIGHT! ala, I cannot remember which movie.

re: #44 Targetpractice

Animal House.

Animal House Food Fight

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:50:06pm

re: #43 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

I’m just waiting for Trump to tweet about how Obama’s Pearl Harbor speech represents some sort of capitulation to Japan and betrayal of those that died. You know it’s coming.

Yep. Or something like, “PM Abe apologized! Shows they knew! Internment right thing to do!”

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:50:21pm

Fuck this guy. And he doubled down in the thread insisting it was Carrie Fisher. I have no patience for that level of disrespect.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:55:32pm

re: #43 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

I’m just waiting for Trump to tweet about how Obama’s Pearl Harbor represents some sort of capitulation to Japan and betrayal of those that died. You know it’s coming.

“OBAMA BOWED TO HIM!”

“That’s because bowing is the Japanese custom, it’s a gesture of respect and is the cultural equivalent of a handshake in America.”

“HE BOWED! HE SHOWED HE’S WEAK! TRUMP WOULDA DEMANDED AN APOLOGY!!”

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dell*nix  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:56:02pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

I wonder how many leases/contracts are being looked at for reasons to allow canceling based on security reasons.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:58:04pm

re: #50 dell*nix

I wonder how many leases/contracts are being looked at for reasons to allow canceling based on security reasons.

I think the bigger worry for Trump would be the number of neighboring businesses that are gonna sue his ass for lost revenue due to bomb scares like this.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:58:30pm

I saw Star Wars (the original movie) on the day it was released; my mother dragged my sister and my eldest cousins to Alma, Michigan’s tiny theatre to see it (about twenty times: My mom is a big big science fiction movie fanatic).

I don’t know to this day why the movie was released on the first day in a town of only a couple thousand people.

I saw “The Empire Strikes Back” in Toulon, France with a couple friends from my ship; the movie was in English with French subtitles. Every place where there was a joke that did not translate to French we laughed out loud and got stared at by the other cinema goers.

I have not had the opportunity to see any of the movies since “Return of the Jedi.”

Those movies will stand as icons in the science fiction genre, along with their actors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:59:12pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

“OBAMA BOWED TO HIM!”

“That’s because bowing is the Japanese custom, it’s a gesture of respect and is the cultural equivalent of a handshake in America.”

“HE BOWED! HE SHOWED HE’S WEAK! TRUMP WOULDA DEMANDED AN APOLOGY!!”

even worse///: when the speeches were finished, POTUS walked over to the Pearl Harbor vets in attendance and knelt down to talk with them (they were mostly in wheelchairs).

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:59:41pm

I guess I need to start watching Star Wars The Despecialized Editions.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:59:41pm
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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 2:59:44pm

re: #50 dell*nix

I wonder how many leases/contracts are being looked at for reasons to allow canceling based on security reasons.

He does have another option. He can shut down Trump Tower as a business, evict everyone, and make it a private residence.

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gocart mozart  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:00:32pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:04:30pm

re: #56 darthstar

He does have another option. He can shut down Trump Tower as a business, evict everyone, and make it a private residence.

And then get Congress to pass a bill or write an amendment into an existing one to subsidize Trump Tower as a “presidential residence” or some such nonsense.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:08:08pm

Hitler: Sorry for burning all those Jews. But I’m not an anti-Semite.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:09:41pm
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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:15:31pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can you imagine Donald Trump ever uttering anything even remotely approaching this? That would take thought and grace and class. Nope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:17:18pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:18:06pm
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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:23:28pm

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:24:15pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:25:55pm
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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:26:01pm
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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:28:35pm

The insurance adjuster just left my home, after examining the aftermath of the broken pipe that flooded our basement while we were in California.

He took a lot of photos, and made a number of measurements of the basement.

He said when he left that he would need to get with the plumber to find out if it was a frozen pipe (which is covered) or a worn pipe (which is not). The plumber already told us the pipe burst from freezing, but he needs to get that statement from the plumber.

The adjuster also said that if it was a burst pipe, the insurance company will pay to shovel all the mud back into the basement and level the floor once again.

We may get out of this with most of our money back.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:30:07pm

re: #68 Anymouse

The insurance adjuster just left my home, after examining the aftermath of the broken pipe that flooded our basement while we were in California.

He took a lot of photos, and made a number of measurements of the basement.

He said when he left that he would need to get with the plumber to find out if it was a frozen pipe (which is covered) or a worn pipe (which is not). The plumber already told us the pipe burst from freezing, but he needs to get that statement from the plumber.

The adjuster also said that if it was a burst pipe, the insurance company will pay to shovel all the mud back into the basement and level the floor once again.

We may get out of this with most of our money back.

Is that before or after they spend time running you around by arguing that it was “really” a worn pipe?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:34:23pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Give him a chance? Like our goal is to make him a one term president type of chance? Or the he’s not a US citizen chance? Or the he won, twice, by huge margins, but he doesn’t get to have his judicial nominees confirmed type of chance? I just need to know what kind of chance I’m handing out here.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:34:57pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Is that before or after they spend time running you around by arguing that it was “really” a worn pipe?

Our local insurance agent is actually a pretty upstanding guy. He looked at (and photographed) the split pipe and seemed to think “frozen” was the correct call.

Plus, I didn’t know our insurance would cover shovelling all that dirt back into the basement and re-levelling it. If he was going to go the route of “not covered,” I think he probably wouldn’t have mentioned that.

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:37:57pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

He’s a brick.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:38:01pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Our local insurance agent is actually a pretty upstanding guy. He looked at (and photographed) the split pipe and seemed to think “frozen” was the correct call.

Plus, I didn’t know our insurance would cover shovelling all that dirt back into the basement and re-levelling it. If he was going to go the route of “not covered,” I think he probably wouldn’t have mentioned that.

True, our local agent is a pretty upstanding guy as well. But I’m such a cynic lately that I just assume the worst, that way I can be happy when a surprise happens.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:38:59pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:43:47pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

True, our local agent is a pretty upstanding guy as well. But I’m such a cynic lately that I just assume the worst, that way I can be happy when a surprise happens.

I was surprised our insurance covered a frozen pipe at all. My wife made the call to find out; I figured we were just on the hook for $1,800 plus a lot of work on my part shovelling my floor back into my cellar.

Agent (paraphrased): Sixty mile drive from Scottsbluff to look at your basement? Sure, that’s what I get paid for.

The flood is gone now, though the floor is still wet dirt you can walk on it. When I first discovered it I wound up leaving my shoes in the basement (they were sucked off my feet). Excuse to buy a new pair of shoes (those are not covered under our insurance plan; the agent snickered when I asked him about it; they are still half-buried in the floor).

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:47:13pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:48:42pm

Paladino has been a bigot for years. He’s been a racist for years. None of this is new or news, especially to those in the Buffalo area. He ran for governor of NY as a bigot.

That’s why Trump likes him and has him as a part of his campaign team. Bigots gotta bigot together.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:49:20pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lazarus Long’s Mom?
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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:49:27pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:51:45pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Cool! Who’s going to read it for him?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:52:39pm

re: #52 Anymouse

I have not had the opportunity to see any of the movies since “Return of the Jedi.”

Lucky bastard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:52:58pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

Cool! Who’s going to read it for him?

Mrs. FBW said, “Apart from drinking heavily, do we have any plans for the 20th?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:53:30pm

re: #79 lawhawk

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A Cranky One  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:56:18pm

Happy holidays, lizards!

I was surprised at the number of folks that said this year just didn’t feel like Christmas, including my 86 yo mom. The gloom about the upcoming administration seems to have infected the country. My mom lives in a very Republican area (Tennessee) and it sounds like the gloom exists even there (my mom is a Democrat but doesn’t dare discuss it with the local folks).

I was blessed this year with several Christmas celebrations with young grandkids. For the 3 yo, it was the first Christmas where he understood the concept of presents and new toys. His delight was palpable. Saw the older grandkids later and the joy when they received presents they’d been wanting was the best therapy to my cynical and depressed mood.

Donated a new bike to Toys for Tots and donated a goat (via Heifer International) to a needy third world family in my mom’s name.

For me, the best strategy to cope with the upcoming shit-storm is to help bring joy to others, known to me or not, as long as I can.

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:58:19pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Mrs. FBW said, “Apart from drinking heavily, do we have any plans for the 20th?”

I’m almost tempted to watch it just to see how long he goes before going off speech and reading tweets from foreign leaders complementing him.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 27, 2016 • 3:58:21pm

Hello fellow Lizards, hope you had a good xmas. Santa was good to me this year, I got a bunch of new kitchen knives and bbq tools and this rotisserie attachment for my weber kettle which I promptly did a ribeye roast on.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:01:49pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here’s a preview:

Palpatine declares the Empire

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:03:27pm

re: #52 Anymouse

I have not had the opportunity to see any of the movies since “Return of the Jedi.”

There were no movies after ROTJ. Confirmed. Fact.

THEY NEVER HAPPENED!1!!!

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:04:41pm

re: #88 Timothy Watson

There were no movies after ROTJ. Confirmed. Fact.

THEY NEVER HAPPENED!1!!!

Remember how Lucas said he was gonna make more films? I can’t remember him ever making any more…

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:05:04pm

Oh, man some seriously special snowflake conservatives that need their safe spaces (projection with them, always).

Stephen Colbert’s Show Is Rigged, Hillary Clinton is Vulgar, and Other Election Complaints to the FCC

Huffington Post filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the Federal Communications Commission to read about complaints during the primary and general election campaign coverage. Oh man, the whining:

Liberals complaining were mostly complaining about harassment. Conservatives had gems like this:

“All pro-Hillary emails go into inbox. All pro-Trump emails go into spam. Why? How dare they censor my mail?”

- Staten Island, New York, July 22, 2016

Then there was this one:

“Donald Trump keeps calling me telling me to go to his website and then plays Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley.”

- McKinney, Texas, Oct. 26, 2016

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Timothy Watson  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:06:07pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Remember how Lucas said he was gonna make more films? I can’t remember him ever making any more…

Just like The Matrix, shame they never made any sequels.

(Joke blatantly stolen from xkcd.)

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:08:17pm

Bill Mitchell strikes again:

No sympathy for someone who actively enabled the neo Nazis and white supremacists who flocked to Trump because Trump used all their racial code to feed on the xenophobic/Islamophobic/racist sentiments brewing in the GOP.

Nope. No fucks to give for Mitchell. Too late hombre. That ship sailed long ago - about June 2015 when Trump showed everyone just what kind of bigot he was - and the kind of people he wanted supporting him.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:11:11pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Bill Mitchell strikes again:

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No sympathy for someone who actively enabled the neo Nazis and white supremacists who flocked to Trump because Trump used all their racial code to feed on the xenophobic/Islamophobic/racist sentiments brewing in the GOP.

Nope. No fucks to give for Mitchell. Too late hombre. That ship sailed long ago - about June 2015 when Trump showed everyone just what kind of bigot he was - and the kind of people he wanted supporting him.

Jun ‘15 - Oct ‘16: “HOW DARE YOU CALL THEM NAZIS AND RACISTS?!”

Nov ‘16 - Now: “Where did all these racists and Nazis supporting Trump come from?”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:12:23pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:13:19pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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That’s a good lapdog, Daily Caller, do what Papa Trump tells you and maybe you’ll get a biscuit.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:15:41pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:15:49pm

Paul Ryan is now taking action against Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga) and others who staged the sit-in on the House floor over the Pulse nightclub shooting (which Paul Ryan called grandstanding, though when the Republicans did the same over oil companies they were apparently just supporting their constituents):

bloomberg.com

Essentially, the bill would fine any House member $500 for livestreaming video from the House floor (which happened after the House cut off the C-SPAN broadcast). Subsequent offences would entail a $2,500 fine.

“These changes will help ensure that order and decorum are preserved in the House of Representatives so lawmakers can do the people’s work,” AshLee Strong, a spokesman for Ryan, said in an e-mailed statement.

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A Cranky One  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:16:44pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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He’s like, really smart, so he knows those grapes are actually sour!

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:17:05pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

The Daily Caller bio is hilarious: “Our news stories are real, and they’re spectacular.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:19:28pm

re: #97 Anymouse

Paul Ryan is now taking action against Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga) and others who staged the sit-in on the House floor over the Pulse nightclub shooting (which Paul Ryan called grandstanding, though when the Republicans did the same over oil companies they were apparently just supporting their constituents):

bloomberg.com

Essentially, the bill would fine any House member $500 for livestreaming video from the House floor (which happened after the House cut off the C-SPAN broadcast). Subsequent offences would entail a $2,500 fine.

Ryan just doesn’t have the balls to put a Civil Rights hero in jail over the GOP’s hurt feewings, so he’s gonna slap them with fines that supporters will just raise money to cover.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:24:20pm
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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:25:55pm

re: #84 A Cranky One

Happy holidays, lizards!

I was surprised at the number of folks that said this year just didn’t feel like Christmas, including my 86 yo mom. The gloom about the upcoming administration seems to have infected the country. My mom lives in a very Republican area (Tennessee) and it sounds like the gloom exists even there (my mom is a Democrat but doesn’t dare discuss it with the local folks).

I was blessed this year with several Christmas celebrations with young grandkids. For the 3 yo, it was the first Christmas where he understood the concept of presents and new toys. His delight was palpable. Saw the older grandkids later and the joy when they received presents they’d been wanting was the best therapy to my cynical and depressed mood.

Donated a new bike to Toys for Tots and donated a goat (via Heifer International) to a needy third world family in my mom’s name.

For me, the best strategy to cope with the upcoming shit-storm is to help bring joy to others, known to me or not, as long as I can.

I thought I might be a bit depressed this Xmas, but I really wasn’t.

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wrenchwench  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:29:45pm

re: #101 Anymouse

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Beto O’Rourke is from El Paso. He’s one of my favorites.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:29:59pm

Paul Ryan’s bill might run afoul of the XXVII Amendment on changing the formula for compensation of elected officials.

No doubt if they want to defend this they will be fiscally-conservative about it and slug it out in the courts with taxmoney.

Also buried in the bill (back to Bloomberg again):

Other parts of the package include returning the chamber to the use of the so-called “Holman Rule” as a potential tool to reduce spending in some appropriations bills or amendments (mostly removed from use in 1983).

It would also allow the House to continue ignoring recommendations by the Medicare Independent Payment Advisory Board. That has been a strategy to nullify provisions in the Affordable Care Act. House Republicans have tried dozens of times in recent years to overturn the health care act, better known as Obamacare.

Ryan wants to take it up on the first day the House is in session (January 3) because the protest is obviously the most important thing facing the nation at the moment.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:32:09pm

re: #102 calochortus

My wife and I spent Christmas by ourselves, as we always do. We enjoy each other’s company much more than some big party or shindig.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:32:29pm

re: #101 Anymouse

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The Republicans are going to make it easy for Democrats to fight.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:32:48pm

re: #105 Anymouse

Awwww, how sweet. :)

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:35:09pm

Persons killed by guns so far this year: 14710 gunviolencearchive.org
Persons killed by Democratic sit-ins so far this year: 0

Priorities. GOP has them. (from Wonkette)

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wrenchwench  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:40:00pm
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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:41:01pm

“Watership Down” author Richard Adams dies, aged 96.

theguardian.com

2016 can’t go die in a fire rapidly enough.

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stpaulbear  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:42:30pm

AIKEN COUNTY, SC

Aiken County Rep. Chris Corley was arrested Tuesday on charges of punching his wife in the face and pointing a 9mm pistol at her when she accused him of cheating, according to Aiken County sheriff’s records.

Corley, R-Aiken, was charged with first-degree criminal domestic violence, which is a felony, and pointing and presenting a firearm at his wife of 12 years in the presence of two of their children, ages 2 and 8, an incident report states…

…The little-known legislator thrust himself into the national spotlight in 2015 when he suggested on the floor of the S.C House that removing the Confederate flag from the State House grounds was tantamount to the state’s Republican Party surrendering to political correctness in the wake of the Charleston church shooting massacre.

Via JoeMyGod

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:42:35pm

Why not.

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bmoak  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:43:05pm

Author Richard Adams also passed away today.

Watership Down, Tales From Watership Down, The Plague Dogs, Shardik, Maia, Traveller, The Iron Wolf & Other Stories, and The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing. There aren’t too many non-series writers that I’ve read more books by.

If I put the DVD of Watership Down in tonight, I’ll be almost certain to bawl.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:43:26pm

re: #110 Anymouse

I’m not sure dying at 96 is really a tragedy. There are, however, a lot of reasons 2016 will not be remembered fondly.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:44:42pm

re: #111 stpaulbear

My surprise, etc.

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:45:35pm

re: #111 stpaulbear

Seems normal.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:47:01pm

Again, IOKIYAR

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nines09  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:49:18pm

re: #117 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I mean who hasn’t punched their wife in the face in front of their little children, go outside and come back in with a pistol, threaten to kill himself, no, the wife, no the kids are the only reason I’m not shooting you……..Just another lazy night at the Hacienda.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:55:41pm

Say the words: Radical Conservative Terrorism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:57:16pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 4:58:56pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:00:44pm

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:03:05pm

Watership Down is and has been one of my favorite books since I first read it on my 10th birthday (a gift from a much loved uncle). I must have read it at least a dozen times in the years since. The animated movie is good, but it just can’t hold a candle to Adams’ prose.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:07:56pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

Lazarus Long’s Mom?
//

Upding for Heinlein reference. I was thinking about Heinlein earlier today and the acronym TANJ, There Ain’t No Justice, as a summary of 2016. For that matter, Bob himself qualifies as someone who deserves to be alive but isn’t. True, he would be 109 now, but if anyone rates that he does.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:11:06pm
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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:16:43pm

Actress Tricia McCauley Found Dead in Her Car after Disappearance

After she went missing on Christmas day, actress and yoga instructor Tricia McCauley was found dead in her car in Washington, D.C., Interim D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham confirmed at a press conference on Tuesday. She was 46.

McCauley’s body was found with signs of trauma in her white Toyota Scion near a CVS early Tuesday morning, after Newsham said someone tipped off police about a man driving the car. According to ABC7, the man was reportedly driving around with McCauley’s body in the car.

The suspect, who also robbed a CVS and assaulted employees around the same time McCauley disappeared, was taken into police custody. It does not appear that McCauley and the suspect knew each other, Newsham said.

More at HP.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:19:15pm

Hot off the Computer…a new Photoshop for the times.

Donald Trump in his Trump Tower Office Doing the Important Presidential Work
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Interesting Times  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:19:28pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:20:30pm

This is worth a read if you have a couple of minutes. Von ClownStick & his administration picks’ horribleness aside, it doesn’t bode well for us, especially where our enemies are concerned—big weakness:

In addition to the screengrab above:

It is the other advisers, particularly members of his cabinet, where Mr. Trump could see the biggest differences of opinions.

“This is a great, unanswered question,” said David Axelrod, who was a top adviser to Mr. Obama. “It seems that Trump does not come to this with a well-developed philosophy so much as a well-conceived marketing strategy. Now there will be a behind-the-scenes battle to fill in the void that will mirror the battle between factions of the Republican Party. It is not clear how these disputes in the battle to define Trump will be decided.”

Many of his incoming advisers who have the most divergent opinions are those with government or corporate experience.

Also (from this morning) it looks like the honeymoon may be over before the Orange Vulgarian is even sworn in. Apparently, it has begun to dawn on the knuckle-draggers that they’ve been had, cucked even:

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:21:10pm

Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wisc) ends climate change in Wisconsin by censoring the term from state Websites.

wonkette.com

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:24:32pm

The Donald Trump of Argentina (a country we are well on the way to becoming).

Ex-Argentine President Fernandez Indicted, Tied To Nuns And Guns Scandal

BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Former Argentine President Cristina Fernandez was indicted on Tuesday on charges she ran a corruption scheme with a public works secretary who was arrested in June while trying to stash millions of dollars in a convent.

A federal judge accused them and other officials of the Fernandez administration of crimes “including the deliberate seizure of funds principally meant for public road works.”.

….
The country was riveted in June when Fernandez’s former public works secretary, Jose Lopez, was arrested while tossing bags stuffed with millions of dollars over the walls of a Catholic convent on the outskirts of Buenos Aires.

huffingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:26:14pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:27:24pm

re: #130 Anymouse

Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wisc) ends climate change in Wisconsin by censoring the term from state Websites.

wonkette.com

“Let’s go burn down the observatory so this’ll never happen again!”

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:28:24pm

re: #133 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

“Let’s go burn down the observatory, so this’ll never happen again!”

Maybe dinosaurs were intelligent creatures until the fundamentalists took over.

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Skip Intro  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:29:19pm

re: #133 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Walker is hoping that the Kochs will adopt him if he keeps being a good boy.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:29:44pm

This is the same Shaun King who shit all over Clinton all through the primaries. He never considered the consequences of equating Clinton with evil - or that Trump was far and away the greatest internal threat to the nation in generations. More than that, he thought Clinton was worse than Trump. That Clinton was the bigger liar, with more ethical or moral or criminal lapses than Trump. All demonstrably bogus, but King used his platform at the Daily News to spew his nonsense, and he continues to do so on a daily basis.

Clinton owes the nation nothing at this point. It’s the other way around.

King owes her an apology. So do a lot of people who ended up voting for Trump or sitting on the sidelines because she wasn’t their perfect candidate.

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plansbandc  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:30:01pm

Ryan is just a terrible human being. He disgusts me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:31:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:32:16pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:34:48pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Keep a link to this folks. Whenever someone says the left isn’t as bad as the right, make them read the replies. They’re as spiteful as Shaun is.

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Interesting Times  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:35:15pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:36:23pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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This is the same Shaun King who shit all over Clinton all through the primaries. He never considered the consequences of equating Clinton with evil - or that Trump was far and away the greatest internal threat to the nation in generations. More than that, he thought Clinton was worse than Trump. That Clinton was the bigger liar, with more ethical or moral or criminal lapses than Trump. All demonstrably bogus, but King used his platform at the Daily News to spew his nonsense, and he continues to do so on a daily basis.

Clinton owes the nation nothing at this point. It’s the other way around.

King owes her an apology. So do a lot of people who ended up voting for Trump or sitting on the sidelines because she wasn’t their perfect candidate.

I’ve never seen someone go to this length to prove he is 100% asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:36:57pm
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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:39:13pm

re: #67 nines09

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God bless you for that.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:43:24pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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This is the same Shaun King who shit all over Clinton all through the primaries. He never considered the consequences of equating Clinton with evil - or that Trump was far and away the greatest internal threat to the nation in generations. More than that, he thought Clinton was worse than Trump. That Clinton was the bigger liar, with more ethical or moral or criminal lapses than Trump. All demonstrably bogus, but King used his platform at the Daily News to spew his nonsense, and he continues to do so on a daily basis.

Clinton owes the nation nothing at this point. It’s the other way around.

King owes her an apology. So do a lot of people who ended up voting for Trump or sitting on the sidelines because she wasn’t their perfect candidate.

Against my better judgment, I read through King’s article. And it is exactly the sort of whiny, entitled, excuse-filled BS we’ve come to expect from the Bros. He won’t take any responsibility for his actions, he wants people to believe the whole election happened in a vacuum and he wasn’t one of those in the chorus line of fuckheads arguing that Trump was “more progressive” than she or that a Trump presidency “wouldn’t be that bad.” Then he follows up that laughably bad excuse at historical revisionism by following it up by saying that Bernie is “doing something” about Trump…but posting tweets and making statements to the press. You know, the same sort of excuse-making for why Bernie’s “enthusiasm” wasn’t translating into primary votes, that his words are supposed to magically put a halt to Herr Trump and his dark conspiracies.

Hey Shaun, thanks for reminding a lot of us why you bailed on the BLM movement the moment it stopped being all about you.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:45:25pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

Thanks for reading it as I didn’t have the stomach for it.

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Moebym  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:45:44pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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This is the same Shaun King who shit all over Clinton all through the primaries. He never considered the consequences of equating Clinton with evil - or that Trump was far and away the greatest internal threat to the nation in generations. More than that, he thought Clinton was worse than Trump. That Clinton was the bigger liar, with more ethical or moral or criminal lapses than Trump. All demonstrably bogus, but King used his platform at the Daily News to spew his nonsense, and he continues to do so on a daily basis.

Clinton owes the nation nothing at this point. It’s the other way around.

King owes her an apology. So do a lot of people who ended up voting for Trump or sitting on the sidelines because she wasn’t their perfect candidate.

Wasn’t this guy on Daily Kos (or perhaps he still is; I no longer use that site)? If I remember correctly, he caused quite a stir there at some point.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:46:13pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Yeah, stop practicing Identity Politics, Shaun. All racial problems have economic solutions. It’s written in the Gospel of St. Bernie.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:48:29pm

re: #136 lawhawk

He does have a point. Sanders is continuing to be vocal about the issues he centered his campaign around - income inequality, health care for all, fighting Wall Street, etc. - while Hillary has taken her period of mourning(which I grant her she deserves). But after the new year, she needs to step up and say something. She likes asking for money, she could go on tour fundraising for Democrats up and down the ticket. Granted, she doesn’t have power over policy anymore nor will she ever (I don’t see her returning to the Senate like Kerry did, or even fucking McCain for that matter and Congress is definitely beneath her). But she can and should be a voice for progressive causes because she will get something so many other voices don’t - media attention.

I know…it’s Shaun King - fuck that guy. And he likes Sanders - fuck him too. But when someone takes that attitude it tells me they don’t really care about the issues either. They’re more interested in seeing the right people in the limelight.

Me? I’m not shitting on any allies.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:49:58pm

re: #148 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

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Yeah, stop practicing Identity Politics, Shaun. All racial problems have economic solutions. It’s written in the Gospel of St. Bernie.

According to the Bro Code, enacting “income equality” laws will mean minorities will be paid the same as white people and thus use that money to buy equality.

It’s totally not a bunch of yuppie white kids feeling they’re not getting what they’re entitled to.//////

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:50:46pm

2016.You will Not Be Missed. You bastard of a year.

Music is sometimes how I cope. I think that backfired on me tonight.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:55:13pm

re: #149 darthstar

He does have a point. Sanders is continuing to be vocal about the issues he centered his campaign around - income inequality, health care for all, fighting Wall Street, etc. - while Hillary has taken her period of mourning(which I grant her she deserves). But after the new year, she needs to step up and say something. She likes asking for money, she could go on tour fundraising for Democrats up and down the ticket. Granted, she doesn’t have power over policy anymore nor will she ever (I don’t see her returning to the Senate like Kerry did, or even fucking McCain for that matter and Congress is definitely beneath her). But she can and should be a voice for progressive causes because she will get something so many other voices don’t - media attention.

I know…it’s Shaun King - fuck that guy. And he likes Sanders - fuck him too. But when someone takes that attitude it tells me they don’t really care about the issues either. They’re more interested in seeing the right people in the limelight.

Me? I’m not shitting on any allies.

See, this is the thing I brought up more than once to Bernie supporters during the election: It’s one thing to talk about making a difference, it’s another to actually put yourself out there and make it happen. And Bernie’s all about the former, he’ll talk to you’re blue in the face about how his ideology will make America a socialist utopia, but his record shows that his ideology is up to interpretation when it comes to keeping his seat. Like how he was suddenly all anti-war after years voting for one war after another or bitching about defense spending as he’s happily shoveling it into Vermont’s coffers. The media highlighted all of Hillary’s “hypocrisies,” but Bernie got a total pass on every single position he’d flipped since he won his first seat in Congress.

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bratwurst  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:56:17pm

re: #149 darthstar

Me? I’m not shitting on any allies.

Except, of course, when you were shitting on the nominee as she was giving her convention speech.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:57:06pm

Jesus y Maria

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stpaulbear  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:57:47pm

Does anyone know if Organizing For Action is worth a donation? They use Obama’s campaign logo. Do they accomplish anything other than fundraising?

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:59:02pm

re: #149 darthstar

Here’s the difference. Clinton isn’t in office. Clinton doesn’t owe anyone anything. She’s lent her voice and prestige to progressive causes for decades, and she’ll continue doing it in her due time.

And yet Sanders continues shitting on Democrats from the sidelines - not as a Democrat. Even as he’s given a role in the Democratic party, he isn’t a member of the party (which I oppose because he’s not committed enough to the Democratic Party to be one). Sanders is in office as a US Senator, and he’s still sniping at the core Democratic party - POC and minorities because he thinks angry white guys are the future.

King thinks that Clinton has to do more? Seriously? He shit all over Clinton endlessly during the primaries and even into the general election. He’s pulling some seriously revisionist history about what both he and Sanders did.

Ultimately, King’s the one needing to apologize - not the other way round.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:59:03pm

I’m not worried about Clinton. When she starts speaking out they’ll all berate her about why she didn’t bring any of it up during the election.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 5:59:08pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

According to the Bro Code, enacting “income equality” laws will mean minorities will be paid the same as white people and thus use that money to buy equality.

It’s totally not a bunch of yuppie white kids feeling they’re not getting what they’re entitled to.//////

I think the idea is that a thicker wallet will shield them from a bullet when a cop pulls them over and “he reached for his waistband, I feared for my life happens.

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bratwurst  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:00:30pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:01:37pm

HAPPY HANUKKAH LGF! LIGHT #4
Also it’s my Hebrew calendar birthday

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:01:39pm

re: #153 bratwurst

Except, of course, when you were shitting on the nominee as she was giving her convention speech.

I wasn’t shitting on her, I was asking for more from her…More commitment to the working class (of which I’m not a part). More commitment to college students and their financial burdens (I paid off my student loans after 20 years last month). More commitment to the environment (not giving Fracking a pass). She didn’t give more. She gave the bare minimum. And she lost. Even Joe Biden (whom I adore) said he thought she didn’t really know WHY she was running for president…that it didn’t show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:02:56pm

Kosher Taco Truck sighting in LA

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:03:22pm

re: #155 stpaulbear

Does anyone know if Organizing For Action is worth a donation? They use Obama’s campaign logo. Do they accomplish anything other than fundraising?

Basic information about Organizing for Action can be found at Charity Navigator:

charitynavigator.org

It is not a a 501(c)3 (it is a c4), so they do not have a rating for it. They do have their IRS Form 990 filings and cash on hand and such.

en.wikipedia.org

According to Wikipedia, it is the political action committee that seeks to advance President Obama’s political agenda.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:03:29pm

Hillary was out there doing while Bernie was sitting on his ass as he talked about doing. Bernie got one ticket for a sit-in and he disappeared from the Civil Rights scene entirely. Hillary spent 30 years of her life working for the cause, whether it was helping open schools, bringing lawsuits, or using her position as First Lady of first Arkansas and then the United States to make things happen. Bernie’s civil rights record is about as thin as a slice of pepperoni, but she’s the one who supposedly owes self-entitled pricks like King more of her life. How about he asks for more from Bernie than simply talking about something, how about he demands Bernie take a stand on making something happen, even if it might cost him his Senate seat?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:03:58pm

re: #161 darthstar

She gave the bare minimum.

Bull. Shit.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:04:45pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

Happy Hebrew Calendar Birthday, Ms. Babushka!

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bratwurst  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:05:27pm

re: #161 darthstar

I wasn’t shitting on her, I was asking for more from her.

No, you were critical of her “shrill tone” as the first woman ever to be nominated as a major party candidate was giving her convention speech.

I will give you credit, you subsequently apologized. However, I can’t seem to forget the reason you apologized: you were being a misogynist asshole that night.

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mmmirele  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:05:52pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Mrs. FBW said, “Apart from drinking heavily, do we have any plans for the 20th?”

It’s a work day for me. No drinking allowed. 0_o

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:07:27pm

My wife wants me to come watch tonight’s holiday season movie, “Wild Women of Wongo,” so I need to sign out for now - spend some quality time with my wife and a cinematic masterpiece.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:07:33pm

re: #168 mmmirele

I have to work too. Maybe it is for the best.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:09:00pm

Some people just didn’t hear what they wanted to hear, even when Hillary said exactly what they wanted to hear.
And it’s not like she’s been exactly silent since the election. But then, again, some people don’t want to be bothered since she’s not doing rallies and pointless townhalls to bash the Democratic Party.
Sometimes actions are much louder than words to the people (read: children, among others) who need her activism the most, especially now.

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whitebeach  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:10:43pm

re: #161 darthstar

She didn’t give more. She gave the bare minimum. And she lost.

Do you even vote, Bro?

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:11:58pm

re: #156 lawhawk

I respectfully disagree. Sanders isn’t shitting on the Democrats. He’s leading by example. What has Chuck Schumer said about Trump or his policies? Has he said anything? Or is he keeping his powder dry until his first filibuster? In fact, what has ANY Democrat said - on the record - since Trump’s victory?

Keith Ellison is likely going to be the viewers choice award winner for the Debbie Wasserman Schultz job. I like Keith. I think having a Muslim adds an extra bit of ‘fuck you Trump’ to the whole thing too. But I haven’t heard him say word one about what he intends to do - maybe he has a website I can go read.(/half)

Then we have Howard Dean. Love the guy and his 50 state solution in 2006. I think a reboot would be cool. But I don’t think a reboot of his exact strategy is possible right now. And he’s not saying shit either.

So yeah, Bernie’s making noise. Making noise is going to be critical in the next four years…and it will be four years because the Democrats haven’t shown anything in the last month that gives me reason to believe they’ll get their shit together in time for 2018.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:13:10pm

re: #161 darthstar

I mean seriously, people so far up their own ass that they think what Clinton offered was the bare minimum can fuck right off. “Ooh, she was pushing $12 minimum wage and not $15, what a sellout”. Well, now we’ll have a secretary of labor who thinks the very idea of a minimum wage is communism. Turns out the bare minimum is actually nothing.

Savor it.

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bratwurst  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:13:20pm
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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:13:26pm

re: #172 whitebeach

Do you even vote, Bro?

Yeah. I voted for her…helped push her to nearly a 2.5 million vote lead in California. Bro.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:15:01pm

I guarantee you that if Hillary was being vocal right now Shaun King would be telling her to shut the fuck up because she lost and needs to let new voices lead the Democratic Party from here on out. It’s the same trap she found herself in throughout the election, in her detractors eyes she can’t ever do anything right. Her male opponents benefited from a glaring double standard that cast their own rank incompetence and flagrant lies as confidence and her pragmatic, experience based approach to sustaining realistic progress as untrustworthy and corrupt. Nevermind that Bernie (and Trump for that matter) lost by millions of votes. Nevermind that only she was ever expected to articulate how she’d actually govern, while Sanders and Trump were allowed to get by on nothing but ridiculously unrealistic raw assertions and demonstrably deficient conceptions about how government actually works. Nevermind that only she released her tax returns, something both Sanders and Trump promised to do but neither ever did.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:15:07pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some people just didn’t hear what they wanted to hear, even when Hillary said exactly what they wanted to hear.
And it’s not like she’s been exactly silent since the election. But then, again, some people don’t want to be bothered since she’s not doing rallies and pointless townhalls to bash the Democratic Party.
Sometimes actions are much louder than words to the people (read: children, among others) who need her activism the most, especially now.

Someone here posted a chart (maybe from Vox) that showed candidate Clinton engaged in serious discussion of economic inequality far far more than Trump. But there were two problems: first, she only got coverage when reacting to Trump’s outrageous statements; second, her campaign ads, at least in my area, were almost entirely “is this the kind of person you want for president?” Part was not her fault; part was her campaign’s fault (in retrospect).

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:17:06pm

Oh boy, relitigating the fucking primary at LGF while American Hitler is about to ruin a once great country. Fuck all.

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whitebeach  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:17:36pm

re: #176 darthstar

Yeah. I voted for her…helped push her to nearly a 2.5 million vote lead in California. Bro.

I’m sure it was your help, as well as your shining advocacy for her, that led to that margin. Dudebro.

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Thanos  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:17:57pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:18:13pm

re: #175 bratwurst

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:18:20pm

re: #149 darthstar

He does have a point. Sanders is continuing to be vocal about the issues he centered his campaign around - income inequality, health care for all, fighting Wall Street, etc. - while Hillary has taken her period of mourning(which I grant her she deserves). But after the new year, she needs to step up and say something. She likes asking for money, she could go on tour fundraising for Democrats up and down the ticket. Granted, she doesn’t have power over policy anymore nor will she ever (I don’t see her returning to the Senate like Kerry did, or even fucking McCain for that matter and Congress is definitely beneath her). But she can and should be a voice for progressive causes because she will get something so many other voices don’t - media attention.

I know…it’s Shaun King - fuck that guy. And he likes Sanders - fuck him too. But when someone takes that attitude it tells me they don’t really care about the issues either. They’re more interested in seeing the right people in the limelight.

Me? I’m not shitting on any allies.

He’s got a point on top of his head. And you are shining it.

Did you watch this video when it was posted before? Sanders is out to lunch on anything but his singing one note. Watch the audience reaction. How does this go with what King was trying to say?

Don’t you think people of color saw that in Bernie? Ta-Nehisi Coats when asked about that response said that is what the Black people saw in Sanders…talking around them and their own economic issues and going over them in his cry for the white working man.

Bernie Sanders: Trump Won Because People Are ‘Tired’ of ‘Politically Correct Rhetoric’

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:18:22pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

Tweeted it because I had to.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:19:02pm

Bernie Sanders can go to hell.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:21:56pm
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steve_davis  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:22:22pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Nah, 2017’s script is an adaptation of Stephen King’s “The Stand.”

yeah, the version in which Sheen holds the baby in front of him as a human shield, and voters say, “fuck it. still voting for him. what could go wrong?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:25:09pm

re: #176 darthstar

Yeah. I voted for her…helped push her to nearly a 2.5 million vote lead in California. Bro.

Not to be picky, but her lead in California was more like 4.3 Million.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:25:41pm

re: #132 Belafon

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This aspect of Ryan is so unbelievably galling. I have no idea how he can show his face in public to espouse his spending policies with his background.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:26:42pm

Now is not the time for electoral recriminations. Far larger job at hand.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:27:44pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Here’s the difference. Clinton isn’t in office. Clinton doesn’t owe anyone anything. She’s lent her voice and prestige to progressive causes for decades, and she’ll continue doing it in her due time.

And yet Sanders continues shitting on Democrats from the sidelines - not as a Democrat. Even as he’s given a role in the Democratic party, he isn’t a member of the party (which I oppose because he’s not committed enough to the Democratic Party to be one). Sanders is in office as a US Senator, and he’s still sniping at the core Democratic party - POC and minorities because he thinks angry white guys are the future.

King thinks that Clinton has to do more? Seriously? He shit all over Clinton endlessly during the primaries and even into the general election. He’s pulling some seriously revisionist history about what both he and Sanders did.

Ultimately, King’s the one needing to apologize - not the other way round.

Bernie Bots don’t apologize. They do however go all passive aggressive with backhanded comments. I hope at some point they realize their actions didn’t help Clinton at all as they helped feed into some of that baggage and ignored things like Bernie staying in the race too long and hanging out until the last minute to endorse Clinton.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:27:49pm

re: #180 whitebeach

I’m sure it was your help, as well as your shining advocacy for her, that led to that margin. Dudebro.

Yeah…that and a bunch of tweets made all the difference. It’s not her fault she lost. Nothing ever is.

Time to go eat dinner. I know I’m in the minority here. I’m okay with that. I still love you all and will be here to fight the good fight in the coming years.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:28:46pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to be picky, but her lead in California was more like 4.3 Million.

I only take credit for the first 2.5 million. I’m not unrealistic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:28:46pm

re: #192 darthstar

Yeah…that and a bunch of tweets made all the difference. It’s not her fault she lost. Nothing ever is.

Time to go eat dinner. I know I’m in the minority here. I’m okay with that. I still love you all and will be here to fight the good fight in the coming years.

you just can’t help yourself, can you?

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:31:03pm

I’m not too hopeful about a loyal opposition to Cheetolini. I was around and definitely noticed when Democrats just fucking rolled over for G.W. Bush while thousands of our troops were killed or maimed and more than a hundred times that number of civilians were being butchered in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the Democratic Party doesn’t grow a spine in the next three weeks, well, WWIII, no social security checks for me in the future, hell, maybe the Interior Department will start selling off our National Forests and wilderness to the highest bidder.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:31:10pm

re: #187 steve_davis

yeah, the version in which Sheen holds the baby in front of him as a human shield, and voters say, “fuck it. still voting for him. what could go wrong?”

That’s The Dead Zone. The Stand was the novel about a superflu killing off billions of people and the survivors in the US waging a fight between Heaven and Hell.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:31:39pm

re: #192 darthstar

will be here to fight the good fight in the coming years.

The part that matters most. Pull together folks.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:32:40pm

re: #192 darthstar

Yeah…that and a bunch of tweets made all the difference. It’s not her fault she lost. Nothing ever is.

Fuck that noise. Fucking bullshit. What the fuck?!?

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:35:18pm

It’s threads like these that convince me that the opposition to the upcoming American Wehrmacht will be tepid at best.

I’m in a mood tonight. Depressed, angry.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:36:59pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

Oh boy, relitigating the fucking primary at LGF while American Hitler is about to ruin a once great country. Fuck all.

It really is more of a “I told you so” kind of thing. Dig it!

And none of the other Democrats match up to the non-Democrat.

You would think someone as good a liberal Democrat as Sanders would want to lead the party not run away from it.

Yeah…just that good!

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:38:30pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Tweeted it because I had to.

Let me know if it gets some traction. One day I will get one to take off.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:38:33pm

re: #201 ObserverArt

I, too, tweeted your latest Photoshop creation.

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MsJ  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:38:53pm

re: #149 darthstar

Bernie Sanders remains an elected official. Hillary is a private citizen. Not sure what you want from her but she owes no one anything.

Fuck Bernie. Fuck him long and hard.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:39:44pm

Paladino strikes again….

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:39:45pm

re: #189 Mike Lamb

This aspect of Ryan is so unbelievably galling. I have no idea how he can show his face in public to espoused his spending policies with his background.

Just following in the footsteps of his idol, Ayn Rand, who took pubic assistance.

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Targetpractice  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:40:49pm

re: #204 lawhawk

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Paladino strikes again….

“These emails were meant to be private” wasn’t an excuse the media wanted to entertain when it was the DNC, but IOKIYAR.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:41:47pm

First, every dick and his dog had to write about The ONE FACTOR!!! That Caused Hillary To Lose. Then every OTHER dick and HIS dog had to respond about how Nobody Said It Was Just One Factor. But If It Were, THIS Would Be That ONE FACTOR!!!!!

It was a close goddam election. 80,000 votes in 3 states flip, we’re talking about How Will Hillary Work With the GOP Congress?, so, yeah - almost any individual factor you can name MAY have made enough difference to change the result.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:42:03pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

you just can’t help yourself, can you?

But he said “Fuck Sanders!” That is enough isn’t it?

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:42:11pm

re: #189 Mike Lamb

This aspect of Ryan is so unbelievably galling. I have no idea how he can show his face in public to espoused his spending policies with his background.

It’s like Greg Abbott here in Texas, who sued due to his injuries he received that paralyzed him, now champions tort reform to minimize damage awards.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:43:00pm

My eldest sisters (born 1972 and ‘75) are inconsolable tonight. They always fought over who would be Princess Leia on Halloween “because there can be only one.”

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:43:26pm

re: #204 lawhawk

I’m only racist in private. In public, I’m a very outstanding individual, very giving, even to those boys who should be shining my shoes.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:43:28pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

I, too, tweeted your latest Photoshop creation.

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Cool! You guys can’t get it out there for me.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:44:01pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

That’s The Dead Zone. The Stand was the novel about a superflu killing off billions of people and the survivors in the US waging a fight between Heaven and Hell.

M-O-O-N spells Trump!

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:44:52pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I hadn’t used your Tweet interface in a while. I like the upgrades.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:45:26pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

Mrs Lawhawk is the same way today - and frankly since they reported she had the heart attack on the plane. She grew up with pleading with her mom doing up her hair in the side buns for Halloween - growing it long just for that purpose…

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:47:27pm

The ski bum press has weighed in on Nazis doing armed marches in Montana next month.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:47:59pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

Bernie Sanders can go to hell.

Isn’t he out and about promoting his book? Talk about selfless activism!

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:48:11pm

re: #214 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I hadn’t used your Tweet interface in a while. I like the upgrades.

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That’s kind of how I’m trying to talk with people like this, even though I’d secretly like to punch them in the throat. I try to be nice because of others that might be watching.

But, to hook on his concept, I’ve always been America First. But I’m also my children first, and they get grounded, told that they are wrong, rewarded when they do something exceptional, and taken care of. It’s more complicated than people like Mitchell want to contemplate, and especially want to expect of liberals.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:50:41pm

re: #192 darthstar

It’s not her fault she lost. Nothing ever is.

Oh look, a bullshit strawman. Retreating to “I guess Hillary didn’t do anything wrong, then” is the berner version of accusing you of thinking that Obama is a god if you defend him from a false accusation.

Criticising party A in no way implies party B is without fault. So maybe try arguing against positions people here actually hold next time, okay?

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:50:58pm

re: #216 teleskiguy

I’m not a skier, but maybe a bunch of you guys near the town could make sure to let the Nazis know what you all think of them. If, everywhere they went, they ran into protesters, they would crawl back under their rocks, because they are cowards.

That vets group that is helping in South Dakota. I would donate some to that group, or another group like it, to chase these idiots all over the country.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:56:01pm
wireless-power off

I spend part of two days chasing down connecting to a Raspberry Pi box via wifi, and it boils down to adding that line to a file.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 6:56:53pm
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:01:28pm

Sorry for the length but I’m not so good at the short stuff… ;)

A few days ago I mentioned my Trumphumper neighbor and my getting sick of his always trying to get some kind of jolt out of me over Trump winning. It ain’t happening. Instead, I have decided to wage my own personal War on Trumphumpers. About a week ago my neighbor was out walking one of his dogs and stopped by to talk for a few as I was out in my garage and he saw me. Somehow Clinton came up (gee, I wonder why) and he went off about Clinton forcing banks to give loans to poor people, which of course fucked up the economy (in his world). In his blathering it came to me that he was confusing Clinton signing Graham-Leach-Bliley with the banks being forced to loan money to the poors and minorities.

I told him what G-L-B was all about and that to the best of my knowledge it had nothing to do with banks being forced to do anything regarding loans to poor people. He disagreed and said that he would check it out and get back to me. I told him to at least check Wikipedia for a starting point and follow backing links from there. We talked a bit more about other stuff and he went on his way.

I saw him a few days later and he admitted that I was right about G-L-B being about financial deregulation. We talked about the implications of G-L-B for a few but he seemed to have lost interest in it now that it wasn’t a bludgeon he could use against Clinton and Democrats. I was polite enough to tell him that regarding banks having to make loans to poor people, he might have been thinking of the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) that was passed under the Carter Administration and that during negotiations on G-L-B, Clinton told Congress that he would not sign the bill if it weakened the CRA. Mentioning Carter lit my neighbor up, that’s for sure…lol!

He agreed that I had nailed it, so I then asked him if he remembered why the CRA was passed and he basically said “To force banks to make loans to people who can’t afford to pay them back!!!”. I politely told him that the CRA was passed because of the banks and lending institutions redlining of poor areas they were operating in and that while they were happy to take the deposits of the people and businesses who lived and worked there, they refused to make loans in those same communities regardless of the ability to pay it back. White, black or whatever, poor people weren’t being treated fairly and the CRA helped to address it. I also pointed out that the CRA was modified under every President since its passage.

I then asked him if he knew what punishment banks faced if they were found in violation of the CRA and he admitted that he didn’t. You should have seen his face when I told him the only punishment was that the bank couldn’t merge with another financial institution as long as they were in violation of the CRA, and that’s it. I also told him that I had checked to see who has been in violation of the CRA and he had to laugh when I told him that a Beverly Hills bank was the only one and it was because there weren’t any poor people in their area of operations to loan to. I also told him that the government was smart and decided not to ‘punish’ the bank.

I then volunteered that while Clinton may have signed G-L-B, it never would have made it to his desk without the majority Republican support that it had in the Republican controlled House and Senate. Oops, more homework for him and off he goes again! Well, he came by again tonight and again had to admit that I was right about Republicans basically putting the bill on Clinton’s desk for his signature. So I am thinking, maybe he learned something but nope, he had to move the goal post so he could try and score against me again. With what? NAFTA!!, which almost made me lol in his face. I mentally rubbed my hands together and thought, “this is going to be fun…”

I asked him if he knew who came up with the idea of NAFTA and BLAM!, he fires back “CLINTON!” (he’s a very old former Marine and talks like one). I politely told him, “Nope, it was Bush the First” and that since it hadn’t been ratified before he would be leaving office, Clinton had promised him that he would carry it forward. I also told him that while the Democrats controlled the House and Senate then, NAFTA was passed with majority Republican support, along with conservative Democrats. IOW his precious conservatives in the House and Senate got a Democratic President from a conservative state to sign the very trade agreement that he hates. Needless to say it was a short conversation tonight as he said that he needs to read up on this (to see if I am right). Maybe he might want to look at our recent conversations to see if I know my ass from a hole in the ground, unlike himself. Either way, I really don’t think anything I say is going to dent his reality distortion field but I am out of fucks left to give.

The best part is that he’s a customer of mine (SOHO support) and he needs me a hell of a lot more than I need him. :)

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:05:39pm

re: #223 Odie Hugh Manatee

The length just let us all savor the details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:09:48pm

yep, this guy used zip ties instead of chains…

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:13:45pm

This. Fucking. Guy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:14:58pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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yep, this guy used zip ties instead of chains…

It’s just not everyday ya get a redneck fix in California.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:19:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:20:05pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So just one GOP lawmaker? Republicans make me sick.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:20:34pm

The President-elect is thanking himself in the third person for something he had absolutely nothing to do with.

We are fucking doomed.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:22:52pm

Jesus Christ!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:22:59pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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When did Republicans give President Obama a chance? I must have missed it.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:23:49pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Pure madness! My word.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:26:49pm

I apologize, folks, for being so glum tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:29:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:30:59pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:32:39pm

The party of freedom.

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Moebym  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:33:29pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. The woman is damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t. I can’t blame her if she exits from public life completely.

re: #226 teleskiguy

This. Fucking. Guy.

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Oh, FFS. Soon, he’ll be taking credit for good weather and sportsball wins.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:33:31pm

At this point I would even be willing to accept a different GOP nutjob.

Even Ted freaking Cruz as President would make me feel better than Trump does.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:35:48pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

The party of freedom.

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Oh yes. Let’s harass John Frickin’ Lewis over freedom of speech. Let’s fine him. Maybe we’ll have to send him to jail if he doesn’t pay up.
What could possibly go wrong?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:35:55pm

re: #239 Moebym

Oh, FFS. Soon, he’ll be taking credit for good weather and sportsball wins.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:36:44pm

You know, I don’t think I have ever thought to tell a President to Shut The Fuck up.

I was raised to have respect for the office.

I’m past that now…how can you give any respect to an arrogant ass that has done nothing, and appears to be headed to never doing anything that deserves respect.

So: Shut The Fuck Up Trump!

Does anyone actually like this clown? I really do not think so…sure he gets lip service, but I am willing to bet many that side with him do it with trepidation. Anyone with two brains cells knows the truth about him.

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jaunte  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:37:51pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

Transparency is only one of their numerous enemies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:41:41pm
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stpaulbear  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:43:01pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

I apologize folks, for being so glum tonight.

If you can afford it, pick a couple charities and donate a few bucks. It’ll help you feel less hopeless.

Tonight I just went WTF and donated to five more charities. I’ll need to forward some of it out of a savings account but that money is only making .1% interest anyway. I’ll stay off of Amazon for the winter…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:43:02pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

Oh boy, relitigating the fucking primary at LGF while American Hitler is about to ruin a once great country. Fuck all.

The same is happening at Balloon Juice. Can we stop and focus on resisting Trump?

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:44:04pm

re: #90 Anymouse

Oh, man some seriously special snowflake conservatives that need their safe spaces (projection with them, always).

Stephen Colbert’s Show Is Rigged, Hillary Clinton is Vulgar, and Other Election Complaints to the FCC

Huffington Post filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the Federal Communications Commission to read about complaints during the primary and general election campaign coverage. Oh man, the whining:

Liberals complaining were mostly complaining about harassment. Conservatives had gems like this:

Then there was this one:

You should have kept going…

“I received a robo call from 941―- where after pressing 1 to speak to someone I received a male on the phone. After stating I was on the Do Not Call list he started swearing at me calling me a ‘bitch,’ a ‘snitch’ and telling me that I was ‘beat up in high school’ and that I hated Trump. When I asked to speak to his manager he said that his manager was ‘busy jacking off.’”

- Clearwater, Minnesota, April 27, 2016

I believe it.

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stpaulbear  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:52:52pm

re: #248 Odie Hugh Manatee

- Clearwater, Minnesota

Prime Bachmann territory. It made me smile to think that someone from Clearwater had that happen to them on the phone.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:54:19pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:56:14pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:56:23pm

heh

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:57:25pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

I apologize, folks, for being so glum tonight.

Not without cause.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 7:57:46pm

re: #248 Odie Hugh Manatee

I read that. I am not surprised.

“The Wild Women of Wongo” ended the way I remember the last time I saw it; no one strangled the parrot.

After watching that cinematic masterpiece with my wife, our marriage is so much stronger.

Hey, Honey, why are you breaking out the spears and lasso?

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:00:25pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:02:54pm

Heh, looks like one of the well-known Muslims scholars in the U.S. really stepped in it. I don’t know much about this site, but it seems okay at a glance and anyway the story is all over intarwebs.

Hamza Yusuf stokes controversy with comments about Black Lives Matter and political Islam

The prominent American Muslim theologian Shaykh Hamza Yusuf has been widely criticised for comments he made about the Black Lives Matter Movement, the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Answering a question about whether Muslims should get more involved in the Black Lives Matter Movement which campaigns against systematic violence and racism against black people, Shaykh Hamza went onto defend the American criminal justice system. Speaking at the Reviving Islamic Spirit conference in Toronto yesterday, he later went onto criticise political Islam.

His comments can be heard in an audio file on this link.

He said: “The United States is, in term of its laws, one of the least racist societies in the world. We have some of the best anti-discriminatory laws on the planet… We have between 15-18,000 homicides a year, 50 per cent are black on black crime… There are twice as many whites that have been shot by police but nobody ever shows those videos. It’s the assumption that the police are racist and it’s not always the case…

wilayah.info

He had some valid points about racism & bigotry in the Muslim world (especially wrt antisemitism), but he also stepped on a lot of toes. Just because he’s a scholar doesn’t mean he’s 100% outside the bubble of white privilege. I mean, that’s the privilege, that you can be unaware that you have it.

Anyway, I’m out for the night. Later, lizards.

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calochortus  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:04:41pm

re: #254 Anymouse

I read that. I am not surprised.

“The Wild Women of Wongo” ended the way I remember the last time I saw it; no one strangled the parrot.

After watching that cinematic masterpiece with my wife, our marriage is so much stronger.

I wish we could keep up with that level of culture. Mr. C and I are starting Henry VI part 2 (The Hollow Crown.) We’ll probably engage in political intrigue or murder someone shortly thereafter.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:05:14pm

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:06:19pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:07:29pm

re: #256 CuriousLurker

My litmus test: Anyone who has negativity for BLM = trash can.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:07:44pm

re: #241 calochortus

Oh yes. Let’s harass John Frickin’ Lewis over freedom of speech. Let’s fine him. Maybe we’ll have to send him to jail if he doesn’t pay up.
What could possibly go wrong?

As I said earlier, they may actually make it easy for Democrats to figure out how to fight. Trump’s corrupt, Ryan is trying to run the country in secret, etc.

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thecommodore  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:08:15pm

re: #41 Birth Control Works

After 15 Big Mall Fights, Police See a Culprit: Teenage Boredom

News reported the fight at the mall by my house started in the food court. My first thought was, you know:

FOOD FIGHT! ala, I cannot remember which movie.

BLACK MOB VIOLENCE!!1!1!!1!1!!

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stpaulbear  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:11:05pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:15:23pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I wonder, in those likes and retweets, how many of them are bots and Russian eggs.

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BeachDem  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:15:31pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was his spelling of “expalins” a Freudian slip? Discuss.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:18:03pm

THIS THREAD==>

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:20:35pm

re: #257 calochortus

I wish we could keep up with that level of culture. Mr. C and I are starting Henry VI part 2 (The Hollow Crown.) We’ll probably engage in political intrigue or murder someone shortly thereafter.

LOL. I’ll take spears and lassos over murder and political intrigue.

Next up, cued on my wife’s computer: “Elvira: Mistress of the Dark”

The level of culture here just oozes out of all the leaky windowframes of our house.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:21:02pm

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD==>

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With this little gem:

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:22:04pm

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD==>

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:24:32pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

With this little gem:

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Which is why Scott Walker had climate change references removed. Figuring out why something bad is going to happen just turns people off.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:25:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:27:27pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:27:34pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

With this little gem:

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Middle confused delusional Americans.

Fucking christ!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:28:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:29:18pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

With this little gem:

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“All your talk of racism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of fascism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of misogyny turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Islamophobia turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s business failures turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s crooked Foundation turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder turned off Middle America!”

But apparently Trump’s racism, fascism, misogyny, Islamophobia, business failures, crooked Foundation, and NPD didn’t turn them off.

Maybe the problem isn’t that we talked about it. Maybe Middle America is just stupid and gullible.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:29:45pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Remember how Lucas said he was gonna make more films? I can’t remember him ever making any more…

Oh, I remember those RAZZIE classics he made…Howard The Duck…Radioland Murders…The Ewoks Movie…

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:30:15pm

re: #256 CuriousLurker

The United States is, in term of its laws, one of the least racist societies in the world.

So what? Being better than someone else is not the same thing as being good. I respect my country too much to grade it on a curve.

There are twice as many whites that have been shot by police…

There are also five times the number of white people than there are black people.

It’s the assumption that the police are racist and it’s not always the case…

Oh, well if it’s not always racism guess there’s no problem.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:30:35pm

re: #271 Anymouse

But you know, if Clinton would speak up, everyone would focus on what she said.

//

And actually, if you read the article, its a suit against the FBI and State for not sufficiently trying to recover the emails.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:30:51pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

“All your talk of racism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of fascism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of misogyny turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Islamophobia turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s business failures turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s crooked Foundation turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder turned off Middle America!”

But apparently Trump’s racism, fascism, misogyny, Islamophobia, business failures, crooked Foundation, and NPD didn’t turn them off.

Maybe the problem isn’t that we talked about it. Maybe Middle America is just stupid and gullible.

QFT QFT QFT

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:31:54pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

QFT QFT QFT

Yeah, but if we say they’re stupid for doing something stupid, we’ll never win their votes.

Or so I’m told.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:32:59pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Middle confused delusional Americans.

Fucking christ!

I live in Middle America (I suppose Nebraska qualifies). I’m not confused by Mr. Cohen’s statement.

I do wish the message of Mr. Trump’s erratic behaviour had gotten more traction before the election, but I am not sure how that could have been done with the over-the-top celebrity worship of Mr. Trump by the media.

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Honey Punch!  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:33:36pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Michael Cohen @ speechboy71
We must talk about this, because unless we understand Trump’s specific personality disorder we wont understand why Trump does what he does
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Connor Duffy @ HalesCornersFan
@ speechboy71 This sort of rhetoric turns off middle Americans. Thanks.

He’s got a point; they will probably appreciate something along the lines of “Lock up Scumbag Donny” a lot more.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:33:41pm

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but if we say they’re stupid for doing something stupid, we’ll never win their votes.

Or so I’m told.

Fuck em. They are selfish & have no one else but themselves in mind. Selfish as fuck.

They will enjoy their guns in their bunkers while the world passes them by.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:34:28pm

re: #281 Anymouse

I live in Middle America (I suppose Nebraska qualifies). I’m not confused by Mr. Cohen’s statement.

I do wish the message of Mr. Trump’s erratic behaviour had gotten more traction before the election, but I am not sure how that could have been done with the over-the-top celebrity worship of Mr. Trump by the media.

To be frank, a whole lot of Trump’s voters like him BECAUSE of this shit.

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Anymouse  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:35:08pm

re: #278 Belafon

But you know, if Clinton would speak up, everyone would focus on what she said.

//

And actually, if you read the article, its a suit against the FBI and State for not sufficiently trying to recover the emails.

I’m aware that the suit is against the FBI and the State Department. The goal is to get them to re-open the investigation and “shake the tree harder.” The goal is not to punish the FBI and State; the goal is still to punish Hillary Clinton.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:37:23pm

re: #285 Anymouse

I’m aware that the suit is against the FBI and the State Department. The goal is to get them to re-open the investigation and “shake the tree harder.” The goal is not to punish the FBI and State; the goal is still to punish Hillary Clinton.

I know. The title was just click baity (or is that baitey?) to me.

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Moebym  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:38:00pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

“All your talk of racism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of fascism turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of misogyny turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Islamophobia turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s business failures turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s crooked Foundation turned off Middle America!”

“All your talk of Trump’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder turned off Middle America!”

But apparently Trump’s racism, fascism, misogyny, Islamophobia, business failures, crooked Foundation, and NPD didn’t turn them off.

Maybe the problem isn’t that we talked about it. Maybe Middle America is just stupid and gullible.

“Can we not talk about these things and just pretend they don’t exist? It hurts our delicate sensibilities.” - Middle American Voter

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Honey Punch!  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:39:32pm

re: #101 Anymouse

My Representative. I think I like him.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:40:46pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:41:36pm

WaPo btw.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:45:53pm
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Alyosha  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:49:09pm

OMFG!!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:49:40pm

re: #291 darthstar

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What does Hillary have to do with any of this crazy?

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:50:41pm

re: #203 MsJ

Bernie Sanders remains an elected official. Hillary is a private citizen. Not sure what you want from her but she owes no one anything.

Fuck Bernie. Fuck him long and hard.

Understood. Fuck him. And fuck anything he tries to do to stop Trump. And fuck everything he stands for…fucking Independent.

And agreed. She’s a private citizen. She owes us nothing. She could easily retire quietly to her home in upstate New York and we’d never have to hear from her or her husband or her daughter again. What are the chances of that happening? Sorry…there’s money to be made.

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retired cynic  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:51:21pm

re: #293 Stanley Sea

???

What does Hillary have to do with any of this crazy?

It seems to me that it is a backhanded swipe at Hillary for “losing.”

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:52:09pm

re: #293 Stanley Sea

???

What does Hillary have to do with any of this crazy?

If she’d won, Trump wouldn’t be taking credit for the stock market…that’s all….he’d probably be calling for a revolution but that’s another story we don’t have to see.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:52:59pm

re: #294 darthstar

That’s quite a different tune you’re singing about your choice in the primary.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:53:14pm

re: #294 darthstar

Understood. Fuck him. And fuck anything he tries to do to stop Trump. And fuck everything he stands for…fucking Independent.

And agreed. She’s a private citizen. She owes us nothing. She could easily retire quietly to her home in upstate New York and we’d never have to hear from her or her husband or her daughter again. What are the chances of that happening? Sorry…there’s money to be made.

Bernie ain’t doing shit to stop Trump. Dream on.

I’m full of your Hillary hate. Enough.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:53:57pm

re: #296 darthstar

If she’d won, Trump wouldn’t be taking credit for the stock market…that’s all….he’d probably be calling for a revolution but that’s another story we don’t have to see.

Well fuck Hillary for losing!

Seriously, you are blaming her for Trump.

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retired cynic  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:54:11pm

re: #294 darthstar

grrrrr. I think I’m about ready to climb off of this thread before I get really angry.

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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:54:29pm

re: #289 Joe Bacon

More to the point, given their pretence, they have never actually read the Bible.

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MsJ  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:54:36pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Bernie ain’t doing shit to stop Trump. Dream on.

I’m full of your Hillary hate. Enough.

No fucking shit. (Spit)

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:54:55pm

re: #295 retired cynic

It seems to me that it is a backhanded swipe at Hillary for “losing.”

I know, I know…she “won”…but not in the way it helps anyone.

And while I suppose it can be seen as a backhanded swipe at Hillary, it was a swipe at Trump who has done nothing, will do nothing, to help the economy. He’s playing a game right now - it has to do with setting the narrative. We can help him or we can mock him. We certainly can’t stop him. So I choose to mock.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 8:55:15pm

re: #292 Alyosha

OMFG!!

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They may not understand magnets, but I’ll stand with them.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:00:18pm

Everyone is taking deep breaths. I am.

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darthstar  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:00:34pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Bernie ain’t doing shit to stop Trump. Dream on.

I’m full of your Hillary hate. Enough.

I don’t fucking hate Hillary. I don’t even care about her. What I do care about is people trying to make every excuse they can for her losing and then not doing anything about the actual reasons the Democratic party’s in the sad shape it’s in. Fuck it…let’s blame Putin and Comey and then we don’t have to change a thing!

But hey…call it Hillary hate if you want. That’s easy. As I said before I went to dinner. I don’t take any of this personally. And when people are through the pain and ready to discuss things rationally, I’ll be here. In the meantime, feel free to hate Bernie…hate him hard..hate every thing he stands for…he’s bad. Isn’t even a real Democrat. Fucking socialist. I’ll still love you.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:00:59pm
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EmmaAnne  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:01:40pm

re: #294 darthstar

She’s a private citizen. She owes us nothing. She could easily retire quietly to her home in upstate New York and we’d never have to hear from her or her husband or her daughter again. What are the chances of that happening? Sorry…there’s money to be made.

What the fuck? Are you seriously accusing HIllary of being money grubbing?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:03:58pm

re: #306 darthstar

I don’t fucking hate Hillary. I don’t even care about her. What I do care about is people trying to make every excuse they can for her losing and then not doing anything about the actual reasons the Democratic party’s in the sad shape it’s in. Fuck it…let’s blame Putin and Comey and then we don’t have to change a thing!

But hey…call it Hillary hate if you want. That’s easy. As I said before I went to dinner. I don’t take any of this personally. And when people are through the pain and ready to discuss things rationally, I’ll be here. In the meantime, feel free to hate Bernie…hate him hard..hate every thing he stands for…he’s bad. Isn’t even a real Democrat. Fucking socialist. I’ll still love you.

I don’t hate Bernie at all!!! That’s your crutch.

Serious divide happened. & we’ve got Orange Disaster. Get off your blame Hillary platform. You will fuck it up in the future with that BS.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:04:46pm

re: #294 darthstar

Understood. Fuck him. And fuck anything he tries to do to stop Trump. And fuck everything he stands for…fucking Independent.

And agreed. She’s a private citizen. She owes us nothing. She could easily retire quietly to her home in upstate New York and we’d never have to hear from her or her husband or her daughter again. What are the chances of that happening? Sorry…there’s money to be made.

This, by the by, is exactly what I meant by the double standard Hillary faced all throughout the election and continues to face. It’s the cynical interpretation of everything she does and the impossible standard she’s always judged against. You can’t even conceive of her taking an active role against Trump’s Presidency without framing her motivation in terms of financial greed. Since she’s doing the traditional thing our democracy expects of an electoral loser and respecting the outcome she’s being attacked for her silence, but she were speaking up now both you and Shaun would be attacking her for tainting the opposition to Trump with her failed candidacy.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:05:01pm

re: #308 EmmaAnne

What the fuck? Are you seriously accusing HIllary of being money grubbing?

Dudebro Hillary Hate is incurable.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:05:16pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

I don’t hate Bernie at all!!! That’s your crutch.

Serious divide happened. & we’ve got Orange Disaster. Get off your blame Hillary platform. You will fuck it up in the future with that BS.

If Bernie supporters are relying on their imagined hate we have against him, well FUCK.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:06:33pm

re: #289 Joe Bacon

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I actually went and read the article written by the guy with the same name as the villain in the Disney Pocahontas movie. Basically he was “impressed” by a local food bank who distributes food (which they obtain through USDA food assistance services, but he doesn’t mention that) to the needy WITHOUT GETTING PAID FOR THEIR TIME & LABOR.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:07:28pm

Motherfuckers can’t let Clinton gracefully slide into obscurity and allow a new generation of Democratic leadership to take over, even though that’s exactly what they want. Unbelievable.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:07:43pm

GOOD NIGHT NOW

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Alyosha  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:09:35pm

re: #306 darthstar

Some of the suggestions on a way forward from Sanders have been solidly progressive.

Then he bitches about ‘political correctness’, ‘identity politics’ and the ‘working class’.

I know he ain’t a Democrat coz he dog-whistles like a fucking Republican.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:09:56pm

re: #294 darthstar

Understood. Fuck him. And fuck anything he tries to do to stop Trump. And fuck everything he stands for…fucking Independent

So you’re not going to stop attacking arguments nobody is making, I see.

You are an ass.

Sorry…there’s money to be made.

A complete fucking ass, at that.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:11:19pm

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

I actually went and read the article written by the guy with the same name as the villain in the Disney Pocahontas movie. Basically he was “impressed” by a local food bank who distributes food (which they obtain through USDA food assistance services, but he doesn’t mention that) to the needy WITHOUT GETTING PAID FOR THEIR TIME & LABOR.

That’s my representative. He replaced Ralph Hall, who voters here decided wasn’t Tea Party-ish enough. Putting people back to work doesn’t guarantee enough money to pay for food. There are lots of working people that have to go to food banks.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:22:58pm

re: #306 darthstar

I don’t fucking hate Hillary. I don’t even care about her. What I do care about is people trying to make every excuse they can for her losing and then not doing anything about the actual reasons the Democratic party’s in the sad shape it’s in. Fuck it…let’s blame Putin and Comey and then we don’t have to change a thing!

But hey…call it Hillary hate if you want. That’s easy. As I said before I went to dinner. I don’t take any of this personally. And when people are through the pain and ready to discuss things rationally, I’ll be here. In the meantime, feel free to hate Bernie…hate him hard..hate every thing he stands for…he’s bad. Isn’t even a real Democrat. Fucking socialist. I’ll still love you.

I was going to point out how patronizing and smugly self-congratulatory your “above it all” posturing is, but instead I’m just going to invite you to go fuck yourself.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:23:12pm

Yeah, it’s a challenge!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:27:50pm

It’s the Just World Hypothesis in action. People’s psyche’s are trying to process an objectively unfair election result in which the clear and convincing winner of the popular vote lost due to an archaic and indefensible algorithm aided by confluence of factors including voter disenfranchisement, media collusion with the Russian State and official FBI misconduct. Now that result can’t possibly exist in a “just world” unless Clinton somehow deserved it, so it must stand as some kind of metaphysical proof that she really was a corrupt, patently awful person. The obvious problem is then trying to square that against the near personification of corruption and psychopathy Trump presents with his entire history along with every continued action and utterance.

The really magical thing about the Just World Hypothesis is it inflicts the thinking of people who actually do know better, it takes a real degree of introspection to combat. The reaction to seeing suffering or injustice that the observer cannot change is often a growing subconscious antipathy towards the sufferer or person who was wronged. We tend to want to believe we can help people who’ve been wronged and if we can’t we start thinking of reasons they deserve whatever fate has handed to them. People reflexively dislike the idea that life is just a random bunch of shit that happens, even though that’s pretty much entirely how reality functions.

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Jenner7  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:28:02pm

“There’s money to be made..”

Who didn’t release their FEC reports and tax returns, Darth?

It starts with a B, not an H.

Get your head out of your ass.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:36:30pm

re: #322 Jenner7

“There’s money to be made..”

Who didn’t release their FEC reports and tax returns, Darth?

It starts with a B, not an H.

Get your head out of your ass.

Actually it starts with a D.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:37:54pm

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

Actually it starts with a D.

And it ends with nuclear annihilation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:39:59pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:42:07pm

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Jenner7  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:43:09pm

The constant digs at Hillary from Bernie supporters need to look at their own candidate. If Bernie wants to improve the party, he needs to fucking join it. Otherwise, he can shut the fuck up.

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Jenner7  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:46:52pm

Why didn’t Bernie beat Hillary? Then he could have beaten Donald and we wouldn’t have to deal with him. Thanks Bernie!

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Jenner7  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:48:01pm

K, I’m done.

Tired of the BS.

Here’s some Tool.

Tool - Jambi

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:49:12pm

Yep, if this thread is a microcosm of liberals and the opposition to The Orange Hitler (it’s not, but just for the sake of argument) then I guess we can look forward to ground troops in Iran by this summer.

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Interesting Times  Dec 27, 2016 • 9:57:38pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

It’s the Just World Hypothesis in action.

I wouldn’t call it that in my case, but more like “this result was a lot more inevitable that I thought, based on far more insidious problems than I’d originally anticipated.”

Was the HRC campaign a victim of FBI and media malpractice? Certainly. Was voter suppression worse than it’s ever been in recent memory? Hell yeah. Are what we euphemistically call “low-info voters” a bunch of dangerously ignorant and gullible fuckwits? Yep. But did the HRC campaign also screw up a whole pile of stuff? Unfortunately, yes, they did (our own Decatur Deb pointed out earlier how the GOTV operation he volunteered for in FL wasn’t nearly as well-staffed or well-run as previous Obama efforts).

This *should* have been a blowout election for the Dems, up and down the ballot. The fact it wasn’t points to a series of systematic failures that were years in the making (like the “spinelessness” to which teleskiguy referred to up above. Hell, that started under George Effing Bush :( Like I’ve said before, a yuuuuge number of voters are infected with that particularly nasty strain of human nature that sidles up to bullies and punishes the victim for not fighting back hard enough. I still maintain that if Dems can finally get their act together, they can peel off enough of these people to win)

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2016 • 10:03:42pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Yeah… I was feeling a bit constipated and in a bit of a ‘jam’ while on the toilet today. Then I remembered that Trump is our next President…

Problem solved but now I can’t stop. #NoThanksDonald


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