So Good: Bon Iver’s Full Concert at Brooklyn’s Pioneer Works

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On Dec. 4, just before Bon Iver took the stage at Pioneer Works, an old ironworks warehouse turned nonprofit arts and culture space, these prophetic words from Union Army officer Sullivan Ballou echoed off the Civil War-era brick walls:

“Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on with all these chains to the battlefield.”

A week after writing those lines, Ballou was mortally wounded, dying for a cause in which he firmly believed.

At first, these words struck me as disconnected from the evening’s music. Bon Iver’s new record, 22, A Million, feels so distant from the Civil War and the words of Sullivan Ballou. But there’s a very real kinship between the letter and this band. Believing in what you do is essential to Justin Vernon and the music he creates for Bon Iver, and impermanence and duality are prevailing themes of this album.

So, here in Brooklyn, at Pioneer Works, a space Vernon believes in and actively assists as a member of the Advisory Board, he and his team created a very special evening — a transcendent night of voices masked, faces hidden in darkness and a performance aimed at soul-searching and purpose over pop and stardom.

This music was performed by a powerful big band, with two drummers and a sax ensemble backing upfront processed sounds, like vocal alterations and sampling, alongside electric and acoustic guitars. It was a visionary performance, fit perfectly to brilliant lighting and sound, seemingly executed down to fine detail by a guy in a Tipitina’s T-shirt, loose pants and high-tops: unassuming, seemingly uncaring, but most certainly in control.

SET LIST

10 d E A T h b R E a s T ⚄ ⚄ 0:16
33 ‘GOD’ 2:59
Heavenly Father 6:45
29 #Strafford APTS 10:50
Beach Baby 15:34
666 ʇ 18:33
715 - CRΣΣKS 23:43
Calgary 26:20
22 (OVER S∞∞N) 31:01
8 (circle) 34:44
Minnesota, WI 40:54
____45_____ 48:13
Creature Fear 54:15
00000 Million 1:00:35

MUSICIANS

Justin Vernon: vocals, guitar, keys, processing; Andrew Fitzpatrick: guitar, processing, vocals; Michael Lewis: bass, synth-bass, saxophone, vocals; Sean Carey: drums, keys, vocals; Matt McCaughan: drums, vocals; Nelson Devereaux: saxophone; Stephanie Wieseler: saxophone; Dustin Laurenzi: saxophone; Chris Thompson: saxophone; Cole Pulice: saxophone.

CREW

Michael Brown: production designer; Chris Messina: studio/stage manager.

NPR CREDITS

Director: Colin Marshall; Producers: Colin Marshall, Benjamin Naddaff-Hafrey; Executive Producer: Anya Grundmann; Audio Engineer: Xandy Whitesel (from the Bon Iver crew); Technical Director: Josh Rogosin; Editors: Nickolai Hammar, Cam Robert; Videographers: Nicole Conflenti, Kara Frame, Nickolai Hammar, Claire O’Neill, Chris Parks, Cam Robert, Maia Stern. Special Thanks: Pioneer Works, The Bowery Presents, Jagjaguwar, Middle West, Shore Fire Media, Bon Iver Band & Crew.

NOTE: The audio provided to NPR for “10 d E A T h b R E a s T ⚄ ⚄” includes a brief portion of the audio from a subsequent Pioneer Works concert to correct for a technical error at the Dec. 4 show.

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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:20:44pm

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:26:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:34:32pm

re: #1 nines09

I tweeted this twice & the freaking meme didn’t show up.

What did I do wrong?

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:36:06pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

I tweeted this twice & the freaking meme didn’t show up.

What did I do wrong?

You didn’t do anything wrong, it’s in your TL.

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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:36:56pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

I did that too and the words were cut off. Dunno. AH. Click on it!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:37:35pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

You didn’t do anything wrong, it’s in your TL.

I’m seeing Nixon photo without the words….?

Edit - LOL I AM AN IDJIT

Double clicking sees it there.

Sigh

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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:38:09pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

click on it

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:38:19pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

I’m seeing Nixon photo without the words….?

You have to click on the picture.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:39:42pm

I edited my comment.

Thanks friends.

Idjit territory!

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Joe Bacon  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:41:54pm

The Human Prune…

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:44:07pm
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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:46:00pm

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:51:30pm

I got done what I needed to, Mr. C. suggested he should just thaw some stew we had frozen for dinner, rather than me cooking, and my mood is considerably improved.

Then I come here and see those pics of KellyAnne. What are you trying to do to me?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:52:12pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:52:20pm

re: #13 calochortus

I got done what I needed to, Mr. C. suggested he should just thaw some stew we had frozen for dinner, rather than me cooking, and my mood is considerably improved.

Then I come here and see those pics of KellyAnne. What are you trying to do to me?

Heartburn.

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:57:21pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

Thanks.

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Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:58:23pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon

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Your appearance after having your soul sucked out. Another decade and she’ll look like Phyllis Schlafly.

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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:58:47pm

re: #13 calochortus

Two in one frame. I know what you mean. fixed……..no. just hid.

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:58:52pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Reality TV isn’t reality? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 30, 2016 • 6:59:45pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Your appearance after having your soul sucked out. Another decade and she’ll look like Phyllis Schlafly.

Nope! Give it by Easter 2017 at the latest!

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Lidane  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:01:32pm

So I’ve been mostly offline for days and I come back to American conservatives falling all over themselves to fellate Putin rather than believe the entire American intelligence community about Russian interference in our election.

Unbelievable.

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nines09  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:03:13pm

re: #19 calochortus

Reality TV isn’t reality? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Amish Mafia. As real as roadt apples. Pretty as a Flossie in a Black Apron Dress. Scary as a slurry pondt.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:03:19pm

re: #21 Lidane

So I’ve been mostly offline for days and I come back to American conservatives falling all over themselves to fellate Putin rather than believe the entire American intelligence community about Russian interference in our election.

Unbelievable.

For years, I’ve posted how the Republican Party was becoming more and more like the Communist Party in the old USSR. Took a lot of ridicule from folks at Daily Kos.

They should have heeded my warnings!

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Lidane  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:06:09pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:07:03pm

re: #21 Lidane

So I’ve been mostly offline for days and I come back to American conservatives falling all over themselves to fellate Putin rather than believe the entire American intelligence community about Russian interference in our election.

Unbelievable.

Totally believable. Again and again, I’ve seen conservatives who’ve voiced a desire for a strongman in the White House, so long as his beliefs mirror theirs. For a lot of them, the only reason they turned on Dubya was immigration reform. If he’d pulled a Trump, said he was gonna deport every “illegal” and build a yuge wall, they would have loved him as much as they love St. Ron.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:08:16pm

The problem is that for most of us reality isn’t exciting enough or adequately paced to make for compelling TV.

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:11:43pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is that for most of us reality isn’t exciting enough or adequately paced to make for compelling TV.

Which is why a fully scripted and honestly presented drama, or a nature documentary or something is engaging, and no one is trying to make a program out of my life. This is just a combination of voyeurism on the part of the audience and cheaping out on the full cost of decent content on part of the network.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:12:37pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Lie down with dogs…

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:12:53pm

#2016faves is gonna bring me back off the ledge.

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William Lewis  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:15:12pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Just wait till they Invent “Time Sharing” them … ;)

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:15:48pm
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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:15:57pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

#2016faves is gonna bring me back off the ledge.

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Maybe their next invention can be fabric shelters that are held up with “poles” and have some “stakes” to hold them in place?

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:18:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:22:18pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:23:42pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

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Yeah, congrats to all the Bros who successfully elected Trump. I’m sure that “revolution” will happen any day now…yep, any day…

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Belafon  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:25:45pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

Yeah, congrats to all the Bros who successfully elected Trump. I’m sure that “revolution” will happen any day now…yep, any day…

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When the revolution does occur, they won’t know what to do. Their basements will no longer be safe.

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bratwurst  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:31:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:36:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:48:11pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:50:26pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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My dog.

Praising the comment section.

Ya’ll, there is no mask. None.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:51:23pm

“Protection? From who? Zee Germans?”

I wish gunfuckers would stop saying ‘home defense’ as an excuse. Just admit it. You like guns. Nothing wrong with that. But if you say “Home defense”, you’ll do something stupid like leave it where you can get it quickly, or a visiting kid can get it quickly, or similar, and somebody may end up unexpectedly dead.

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 7:57:23pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Protection? From who? Zee Germans?”

I wish gunfuckers would stop saying ‘home defense’ as an excuse. Just admit it. You like guns. Nothing wrong with that. But if you say “Home defense”, you’ll do something stupid like leave it where you can get it quickly, or a visiting kid can get it quickly, or similar, and somebody may end up unexpectedly dead.

It’s not an excuse, it’s part of the fantasy they enjoy. The trouble is that in the real world it is a very dangerous part. It won’t go according to script.
LaVoy Finicum was the perfect example-in that book he wrote, the gun leaps into the hero’s hand and he is able to shoot 3 federal agents dead before they can react. In real life? Not so much.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:00:12pm

re: #42 calochortus

It’s not an excuse, it’s part of the fantasy they enjoy. The trouble is that in the real world it is a very dangerous part. It won’t go according to script.
LaVoy Finicum was the perfect example-in that book he wrote, the gun leaps into the hero’s hand and he is able to shoot 3 federal agents dead before they can react. In real life? Not so much.

The movies never show the hero getting his weapon snagged on a pocket hem as he tries to shoot down the “bad guys.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:01:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:01:08pm

re: #42 calochortus

It’s not an excuse, it’s part of the fantasy they enjoy. The trouble is that in the real world it is a very dangerous part. It won’t go according to script.
LaVoy Finicum was the perfect example-in that book he wrote, the gun leaps into the hero’s hand and he is able to shoot 3 federal agents dead before they can react. In real life? Not so much.

In real life, they shoot back. Plus in real life, he was an old guy on a cold day, trying to draw against aimed rifles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:01:57pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Aw, Boss! You’re making us blush!

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:04:29pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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Stanley Sea  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:06:03pm
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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:06:12pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

Aw, Boss! You’re making us blush!

Face it. We’re awesome! ;)

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Joe Bacon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:07:08pm

re: #42 calochortus

It’s not an excuse, it’s part of the fantasy they enjoy. The trouble is that in the real world it is a very dangerous part. It won’t go according to script.
LaVoy Finicum was the perfect example-in that book he wrote, the gun leaps into the hero’s hand and he is able to shoot 3 federal agents dead before they can react. In real life? Not so much.

And what REALLY hurts me is I have family members who believe Finicum died a hero standing up for the white race against Obama…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:07:28pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:09:25pm
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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:12:11pm

re: #50 Joe Bacon

And what REALLY hurts me is I have family members who believe Finicum died a hero standing up for the white race against Obama…

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:14:39pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

From the article:

He was part of the team of lawyers in the 1990s who represented Paula Jones in her sexual harassment lawsuit against then-President Bill Clinton. He helped write the Supreme Court brief in the case that would establish a legal precedent for a sitting president to be sued in civil court.

That is really just an interesting career path there. Trump may want to rethink hiring the person that helped establish precedent for him to continue to be sued during his tenure.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:16:26pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:19:48pm

It is after 7 am in Moscow. :)

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:22:56pm

Did this image originate here? This was just retweeted by Lewis Black.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:23:26pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incatatus  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:24:47pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Yeah…we’re pretty awesome.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:27:28pm
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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:29:45pm

re: #59 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

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Yeah…we’re pretty awesome.

Needs moar hairy Sean Connery and gunz….

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:32:53pm

Item 3,132 in our culture war. Conservatives now volubly prefer rule by a Russian dictator to democratic election of a Democrat.

Again, this is how democratic republics fall apart.

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calochortus  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:33:01pm

Goodnight, Lizards. Hasta mañana.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:33:33pm

I’m convinced Putin has dead hooker material on Fuckface Von Clownstick.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:36:35pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

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I’m convinced Putin has dead hooker material on Fuckface Von Clownstick.

Yes. Putin has Kompromat on Trump.
The question is how fucking devastating is it, considering that he insulted POW’s, Gold Star families and bragged about sexually assaulting women and his voters did not fucking care?

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scottslemmons  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:37:39pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

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I’m convinced Putin has dead hooker material on Fuckface Von Clownstick.

You assume Trump is capable of feeling shame.

I’m sure Putin has blackmail material, but he doesn’t need it. Trump idolizes strongmen and dictators, so he’ll jump through any hoops his beloved Pooty-Poot sets up for him.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:40:49pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Dead hooker wouldn’t actually hurt Trump, like politically or emotionally. I think whatever Putin has would *hurt* Trump, not just sink his prospects for reelection. Remember the Roast where they couldn’t talk about his money, or the entire fiasco about the small hands and tiny penis? I’m serious, *if* Russia has blackmail material on Trump, and this is not just Trump’s play at future wealth (my actual conviction), it would be a video of Trump being sexually impotent. That’s the type of thing that would actually strike at his Teflon coating.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:42:24pm

re: #66 scottslemmons

You assume Trump is capable of feeling shame.

I’m sure Putin has blackmail material, but he doesn’t need it. Trump idolizes strongmen and dictators, so he’ll jump through any hoops his beloved Pooty-Poot sets up for him.

Weird note I saw earlier:

Nobody seems to have any instance where they ever saw Trump laugh.

He doesn’t laugh.

He smiles when socially appropriate, but he has no innate sense of humor at all (which seems to be case according to the people who tried to work with him for his Comedy Central Roast).

It reminds me of the devils from C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters who expressed profound respect for each other (while trying to backstab) but were utterly humorless in the extreme and considered laughter to be an insult to the austerity of Hell.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:43:28pm

re: #67 Bass Reeves

Dead hooker wouldn’t actually hurt Trump, like politically or emotionally. I think whatever Putin has would *hurt* Trump, not just sink his prospects for reelection. Remember the Roast where they couldn’t talk about his money, or the entire fiasco about the small hands and tiny penis? I’m serious, *if* Russia has blackmail material on Trump, and this is not just Trump’s play at future wealth (my actual conviction), it would be a video of Trump being sexually impotent. That’s the type of thing that would actually strike at his Teflon coating.

Yes…that would be it. Something that hits his ego.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:43:49pm

re: #67 Bass Reeves

Dead hooker wouldn’t actually hurt Trump, like politically or emotionally. I think whatever Putin has would *hurt* Trump, not just sink his prospects for reelection. Remember the Roast where they couldn’t talk about his money, or the entire fiasco about the small hands and tiny penis? I’m serious, *if* Russia has blackmail material on Trump, and this is not just Trump’s play at future wealth (my actual conviction), it would be a video of Trump being sexually impotent. That’s the type of thing that would actually strike at his Teflon coating.

I CAN’T GET IT UP! GET ME MY PENIS PUMP GODDAMNIT!

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:45:01pm

re: #68 Scottishdragon

Weird note I saw earlier:

Nobody seems to have any instance where they ever saw Trump laugh.

He doesn’t laugh.

He smiles when socially appropriate, but he has no innate sense of humor at all (which seems to be case according to the people who tried to work with him for his Comedy Central Roast).

It reminds me of the devils from C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters who expressed profound respect for each other (while trying to backstab) but were utterly humorless in the extreme and considered laughter to be an insult to the austerity of Hell.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:45:12pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

*runs to hurl into a wastebasket*

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:46:50pm

re: #72 Bass Reeves

*runs to hurl into a wastebasket*

I happen to have a little GIF that’s appropriate.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:47:27pm

Other possibility for Kompromat is that he was supplied with underage prostitutes while at Russian hotels. Russians love honey traps. Pedophilia angle would be perfect for them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:49:13pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

I assume you are familiar with this place?

I also assume these kinds of accidents are pretty uncommon?

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:53:52pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Granby Ski Ranch, about 20 miles away from Winter Park. Has changed hands a number of times over the years, formerly called Silvercreek and SolVista Resort. A little ski area compared to other ski areas in Colorado.

You’re much more likely to be killed in a car accident than being killed on a chairlift. I read in The Denver Post that there have been only 12 deaths from falls from a chairlift in the past 35 years in Colorado.

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makeitstop  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:55:02pm

re: #74 Scottishdragon

Other possibility for Kompromat is that he was supplied with underage prostitutes while at Russian hotels. Russians love honey traps. Pedophilia angle would be perfect for them.

That’s my guess. Or a Miss Universe contestant that he bullied back to his room.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:55:22pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

From initial reports, it looks like a freak accident.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:55:54pm

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:57:58pm

retired cynic, my sincere condolences.

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retired cynic  Dec 30, 2016 • 8:58:39pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Thank you!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:00:36pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

From initial reports, it looks like a freak accident.

My thoughts as well. Very sad.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:04:15pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

I’m guessing something happened and the occupants of the chair fell quite a ways (30+ feet) and the adult died of blunt force trauma. An autopsy is planned for tomorrow, and witness accounts will be coming out from the sheriff’s department in the coming days.

Very weird, I can’t remember any instance in my life of someone dying from a fall from a chairlift, extremely rare.

The chairlift is equipped with a safety bar. And the Colorado Passenger Tramway Safety Board - who is actively investigating the incident - is highly unlikely to find any problems with the chairlift itself.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:10:22pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Miss Teen Universe, otherwise he wouldn’t care who knew.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:25:14pm

re: #84 Jebediah, RBG

Miss Teen Universe are of the age of consent, so I can’t imagine how that would hurt him. Again, his supporters do not care what he does as long as he’s strong. He’s already been accused of rape and pedophilia. He’s President Elect.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:25:22pm

Retired Cynic

I’m just getting on here.
My deepest condolences as well. Peace be with you..

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retired cynic  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:27:31pm

re: #86 Dave In Austin

Thank you for your thoughts!

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:33:36pm

re: #85 Bass Reeves

My mistake. I thought some contestants were under age.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:35:21pm

re: #81 retired cynic

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retired cynic  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:36:06pm

re: #89 Bass Reeves

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Bass Reeves  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:36:21pm

re: #88 Jebediah, RBG

I had to look it up. Not something I follow.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 9:58:08pm

So, I guess Ronda Rousey got her ass kicked in no time, again. At least according to my Twitter feed.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:04:11pm

Sounds like someone should retire.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:18:28pm

re: #91 Bass Reeves

Me neither, but I had seen the reports of him walking in on underage contestants here in the States and thought the international one would be similar. And that Trump would be just as creepy internationally as domestically.

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Teukka  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:21:13pm

re: #94 Jebediah, RBG

Me neither, but I had seen the reports of him walking in on underage contestants here in the States and thought the international one would be similar. And that Trump would be just as creepy internationally as domestically.

Didn’t he also make some suggestive comments about girls not even in their teens?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:23:30pm

re: #95 Teukka

Didn’t he also make some suggestive comments about girls not even in their teens?

Yes. He reportedly said hello to a 10-year-old girl on an escalator, and remarked to his friend that he’d be dating her in a few years.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:30:28pm

I’ve been really identifying with this song lately.

Burn (From “Natural Born Killers” Soundtrack)

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:32:04pm

re: #95 Teukka

I believe so, and also some super weird comments about one of his daughters when she was really young.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:33:40pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:40:26pm

darthstar still thinks it’s all Hillary’s fault that she lost.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:47:46pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

darthstar still thinks it’s all Hillary’s fault that she lost.

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What bad choices? Didn’t hold enough rallies in Michigan? Hell, I saw analysis that her GOTV operations were actually inadvertently helping Trump, fer fuck’s sake!

She was sandbagged by a politicized FBI and US newspapers ran Russian FSB supplied material against her for months…while holding Trump to standards that were non existent.

We got to see how virulently racist the US electorate still is, and how our original sin may be the thing that finally manages to kill this country.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:56:42pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:56:51pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

darthstar still thinks it’s all Hillary’s fault that she lost.

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To listen to Bernie supporters, the “mistake” was Hillary running at all or continuing to run after Bernie threw his hat into the ring. It certainly can’t be that they were actively kneecapping her campaign even after it became obvious to all but them that he couldn’t win the nomination, were spreading anti-Hillary BS into the final months of the campaign and were there at every “bad news” story to rant that the DNC had fucked up by not going against the wishes of 3 million party members and crowning Bernie instead.

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MsJ  Dec 30, 2016 • 10:58:38pm

re: #77 makeitstop

That’s my guess. Or a Miss Universe contestant that he bullied back to his room.

Or video of him doing his daughter.

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BeachDem  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:01:24pm

re: #74 Scottishdragon

Other possibility for Kompromat is that he was supplied with underage prostitutes while at Russian hotels. Russians love honey traps. Pedophilia angle would be perfect for them.

I tend to think it’s a financial thing—Trump’s roast requirements were that they not talk about how much money he actually had. He measures everything as far as his “worth” in terms of money. (Although I wouldn’t rule out a tape of him not being able to get it up as well.) Ew, I just made myself sick.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:02:38pm

The thing that galls me about darthstar and his Hillary hate is that he’s *not honest.* He continually says he doesn’t hate her and then proceeds to retweet far-left Hillary hate.

Be honest, darthstar! It’s more honorable than your pussyfooting these days.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:03:36pm

re: #104 MsJ

That “eeeewwwww” thought has crossed my mind.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:03:55pm

re: #105 BeachDem

I tend to think it’s a financial thing—Trump’s roast requirements were that they not talk about how much money he actually had. He measures everything as far as his “worth” in terms of money. (Although I wouldn’t rule out a tape of him not being able to get it up as well.) Ew, I just made myself sick.

I’m sure there’s multiple sources for Russian Kompromat on Trump - financials, underage hookers, some blow on the table, you name it, I’m sure they’ve got it.

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Anymouse  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:06:07pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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It was your writing about why you left the conservative movement as reported at Huffington Post that first brought me here.

It is the coverage of interesting topics (and musicians), and the commentators here that keeps me coming back.

Now if you would just get a mailbox so I could ship you off a donation to help keep the lights on (maybe General Delivery in your town).

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Anymouse  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:11:09pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Protection? From who? Zee Germans?”

I wish gunfuckers would stop saying ‘home defense’ as an excuse. Just admit it. You like guns. Nothing wrong with that. But if you say “Home defense”, you’ll do something stupid like leave it where you can get it quickly, or a visiting kid can get it quickly, or similar, and somebody may end up unexpectedly dead.

I have a shotgun for home defence. I do not go on-line and fellate its features and such however.

I live at the edge of my county, sixteen miles from the sheriff’s office. The sheriff has one deputy and one car. If that car is on the other side of the county, the deputy is over sixty miles from my home. If he is up in the north-west corner of the county, it is more like eighty, all over unpaved roads.

No children come in my home, and my shotgun is always unloaded (but I always check when I pick it up). It has a trigger lock with the key in an out-of-the-way but accessible place.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:14:52pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

The thing that galls me about darthstar and his Hillary hate is that he’s *not honest.* He continually says he doesn’t hate her and then proceeds to retweet far-left Hillary hate.

Be honest, darthstar! It’s more honorable than your pussyfooting these days.

You can call it honorable and I’ll call it being a whiny male Bernie supporter who feels the need to blame the woman for the men not getting what they want.

Hillary owes them nothing, which is exactly how much they supported her.

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Anymouse  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:16:53pm

re: #69 Scottishdragon

Yes…that would be it. Something that hits his ego.

They might have his tax forms showing he is a thousandaire.

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Alyosha  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:25:07pm

Josh Marshall tweeted something with a Pornhub link. Not sure if it was intentional (probably not) but Twitter has been pretty amazing this evening lol

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Anymouse  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:28:52pm

re: #113 Alyosha

At least Pornhub is an honest business model, unlike the minority-President-Elect’s.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:32:47pm

re: #112 Anymouse

They might have his tax forms showing he is a thousandaire.

My personal surmise, based on no evidence whatsoever, is that Trump is real estate rich and cash poor. He lives off proceeds from loans and credit cards, and has precious little liquidity. If for some reason Mar-a-Lago were swamped in a hurricane, or Trump Tower seized by NYC under eminent domain, his wealth would take a possibly fatal hit. He may be in a similar position as the one he was in three decades ago, when he famously had to declare bankruptcy.

The Russian could be holding the threat of demanding immediate payment of the loans they gave him over his head.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:35:24pm

re: #115 wheat-dogg

I’m convinced Fuckface Von Clownstick has no liquid assets. He’s a financial time bomb, and I hope he goes *boom* before the United States turns into a genuine banana republic.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:38:36pm

I just finished episode 7 of The Crown. This one is among the best, because it highlighted the peculiar education of the Queen: long on constitutional matters and short on world politics, science, and important leaders like Ike. She sought to correct the shortcomings with a private tutor, while her constitutional expertise allowed her to give the PM (Churchill) and Lord Salisbury a very polite but firm dressing down for failing in their duties to Crown and country.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:39:16pm

re: #113 Alyosha

Word is that it’s a response from Josh in response to a KAC twit saying that Obama’s actions going after Russia were actually targeted at the incoming administration of Err Furor. Something about targeting “close associates”.

ETA: From a comment at Balloon Juice…

Josh Marshall’s tweet in response to ‘Team Trump We’re the true target of Obama’s sanctions’ tweet by Politico. Just wow. But no faulting him for it, it’s an epic response to Conway and Mayor noun-verb-9/11 whining about it all being about them.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:39:37pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

I’m convinced Fuckface Von Clownstick has no liquid assets. He’s a financial time bomb, and I hope he goes *boom* before the United States turns into a genuine banana republic.

If there were only some way to document such matters, perhaps from an impartial government agency …

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:43:57pm

re: #115 wheat-dogg

My personal surmise, based on no evidence whatsoever, is that Trump is real estate rich and cash poor. He lives off proceeds from loans and credit cards, and has precious little liquidity. If for some reason Mar-a-Lago were swamped in a hurricane, or Trump Tower seized by NYC under eminent domain, his wealth would take a possibly fatal hit. He may be in a similar position as the one he was in three decades ago, when he famously had to declare bankruptcy.

The Russians could be holding the threat of demanding immediate payment of the loans they gave him over his head.

That’s what I think as well - his liquidity is pretty much zilch and if he were confronted with having to pony up to the Russian banks that lent him $$$ or, as you noted, Mar-A-Lago gets slammed by a hurricane or Trump Tower is eminent domained by NYC, he’s utterly and thoroughly fucked. And he knows this, though he’ll never admit to it.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:44:20pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

I’m convinced Fuckface Von Clownstick has no liquid assets. He’s a financial time bomb, and I hope he goes *boom* before the United States turns into a genuine banana republic.

I think he can’t sell anything because people will then know how little he actually has once all of the bills are paid.

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teleskiguy  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:44:26pm

re: #119 wheat-dogg

If there were only some way to document such matters, perhaps from an impartial government agency …

It’s a sick and demented precedent this orange clown is setting. THE PEOPLE DON’T NEED TO KNOW MY FINANCIALS, IT’S TOO COMPLICATED AND WHO CARES?

Ugh.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:47:30pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

It’s a sick and demented precedent this orange clown is setting. THE PEOPLE DON’T NEED TO KNOW MY FINANCIALS, IT’S TOO COMPLICATED AND WHO CARES?

Ugh.

I hope against all hope that some civic-minded mole in the IRS, or one of Trump’s tax accountants, leaks some of his returns to the media. Is it true that Tom Arnold tweeted some IP address connected to Trump’s taxes, and basically invited people to hack it?

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 30, 2016 • 11:55:56pm

re: #109 Anymouse

It was your writing about why you left the conservative movement as reported at Huffington Post that first brought me here.

It is the coverage of interesting topics (and musicians), and the commentators here that keeps me coming back.

Now if you would just get a mailbox so I could ship you off a donation to help keep the lights on (maybe General Delivery in your town).

You can set up a paypal account without a credit card (I have a special small bank account I use just for that purpose).

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Anymouse  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:16:14am

re: #124 Resistance Is Not Futile

You can set up a paypal account without a credit card (I have a special small bank account I use just for that purpose).

I don’t hand my bank account out to anyone but my bank. I especially would not sign up for a service that automatically dunned my bank account.

It will have to be a mailed check or money order, same as any other payments I make.

I am not even sure how setting up an automatic dun from my bank would work anyway, since they do not issue credit cards nor have an electronic transfer service. No one here accepts credit cards except gas stations close to the Interstate sixty miles away.

(They will issue money orders and cashier’s checks: It was a money order we purchased our new car with, which threw the Mercedes dealer for a loop - first time someone paid for a car with a money order.)

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Anymouse  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:22:34am

Off to bed. Had a long day in town today (every time I went from place to place it seemed the county sheriff car was following me … from my town to the courthouse to pay my property tax, from the courthouse to the pharmacy, from the pharmacy to a restaurant … the sheriff must have been bored).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:32:31am

re: #124 Resistance Is Not Futile

You can set up a paypal account without a credit card (I have a special small bank account I use just for that purpose).

Alternately, it is possible to buy a “credit card gift card” sort of thing at this point, which is loaded with a set amount of cash and can be used as a credit card up to that amount. I would guess they would have those for sale at someplace like Walmart.

I would also guess that could be used for the GoFundMe Charles has going, in order to avoid dealing with the potential recurring charges with the PayPal subscription.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:51:42am

If anyone here wants to laugh at Russian-loving conservatives saying stupid shit, go check out this thread at [H]ardforum.

A taste:

And the American people need to trust the Democrats now, because unlike evidenced by the leaks themselves and false propaganda stories about how Benghazi was about a youtube video, they are being very honest this time… no really.

Remember guys, it doesn’t matter if all the leaks were factual about the dirt on the Democratic Party. What matters is that the Russians supposedly exposed them, and provided us the transparency the Democrats have always promised.

Its funny and yet scary how the Democrats are now the McCarthyist hawks, war-mongering and clamoring for WW3 with Russia, just for supposedly exposing many in the party for being crooks. I’d wager this is just a last desperate act for damage control though, to flush out the whistleblower and take away focus from what was in the leaks, and instead focus attention on who leaked it and attempt to delegitimize the now completely Republican dominated government that won all three branches, and doing everything possible to try to salt the earth on their way out. After all, their biggest fear is not that the Republican dominated government will fail, but that the United States will by healthy, strong, and prosper, because then it’d be proof we really don’t need them.

This asshat I quoted (Ducman69) is a Nazi-excusing MRA racist piece of shit that shits on the poor, women, minorities, immigrants, Muslims and… well, let’s just say that he hates anyone who isn’t well off, white and on his side. It’s a great tech forum there but the owners run it like their own personal political web site, personal vendettas and all. People like him are the norm.

I quit posting at the shit hole about five years ago but do like to go back to the zoo and see what the owners are letting the animals chew on.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:04:15am

re: #128 Odie Hugh Manatee

If anyone here wants to laugh at Russian-loving conservatives saying stupid shit, go check out this thread at [H]ardforum.

A taste:

This asshat I quoted (Ducman69) is a Nazi-excusing MRA racist piece of shit that shits on the poor, women, minorities, immigrants, Muslims and… well, let’s just say that he hates anyone who isn’t well off, white and on his side. It’s a great tech forum there but the owners run it like their own personal political web site, personal vendettas and all. People like him are the norm.

I quit posting at the shit hole about five years ago but do like to go back to the zoo and see what the owners are letting the animals chew on.

I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts demanded we put troops in Ukraine and were prepared to take America to war with Russia. Or the demands for a no-fly zone and a “safe zone” in Syria, both of which would almost guarantee that US and Russian forces would come into close proximity with each other again and again.

But suddenly, it’s Democrats who are “warmongers” and “McCarthyites”…for wanting to confront Russia. Oy vey.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:22:50am

re: #129 Targetpractice

Someone needs to place a couple of huge magnets in Reagan’s casket, wrap his corpse with copper wire and connect him to the power grid.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:36:10am

As my last professional duty of 2016, I just proofread the acknowledgements section of my colleague’s book, in which I am acknowledged as a proofreader and editor. That’s a first for me!

As it is, the book is an academic work which might command a total readership of hundreds of scholars interested in Tibetan language and transcription, but it could be the beginning of another phase of my working life.

And yes, I was paid for my travails.

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freetoken  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:38:41am

re: #92 teleskiguy

It was a big night for bloodsport.

The semi-main event was the good fight, though.

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2016 • 2:42:56am

re: #98 Jebediah, RBG

I believe so, and also some super weird comments about one of his daughters when she was really young.

And there are quotes he made about Paris Hilton, who he knew when she was a little girl. I believe he talked about watching her sex tape. Creepy as fuck.

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Alyosha  Dec 31, 2016 • 3:15:13am

Playing Cards Against Humanity and the card said ‘Coming soon to bookstores, Barack Obama’s “Audacity of (blank).”’

One card I had was ‘Social Justice Warriors with flamethrowers of compassion.’

I didn’t win that round but damn if it didn’t feel right :)

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 31, 2016 • 4:35:14am

From the thread I linked to above, one moron posted a link claiming that Obama is coming after your gunz! during his last days. The link goes to Pajamas Media where a breathless-sounding post states that Social Security is coming for the guns of those on SSDi. Further digging shows that this is a change by the Social Security Administration for those who are on disability for particular mental issues.

Now I understand why conservatives would be upset…

“First they came for the guns of the mentally disabled on government assistance and I didn’t say anything. Then they came for the guns of the mentally disabled… Hey!!! That’s my gun!”

Side note: I have a Scottish Fold/Snowshoe mix noisily insisting that it’s treat time… it’s the Siamese in him but at least he has a soft meow. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 4:46:33am

re: #117 wheat-dogg

I just finished episode 7 of The Crown. This one is among the best, because it highlighted the peculiar education of the Queen: long on constitutional matters and short on world politics, science, and important leaders like Ike. She sought to correct the shortcomings with a private tutor, while her constitutional expertise allowed her to give the PM (Churchill) and Lord Salisbury a very polite but firm dressing down for failing in their duties to Crown and country.

I like the aspects of the series that touch on British history of the period, but I refuse to have any sympathy for a family that has the hereditary right to the Crown but somehow chafes under the archaic rules of hereditary monarchy. If they don’t like it, they can quit and go find some honest employment.

If I were British, I would support the privatization of the monarchy: British Royal, plc. Let them make their money from paid public appearances, ribbon-cuttings and speeches. It would help keep them in line: if they misbehave or are arrogant, then nobody will want to hire them to open their new shopping mall.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:10:18am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I first posted at Bartcop’s forum (May Terry Rest in Peace), he led me to Democratic Underground, Media Whores Online, Huff Post and Daily Kos. Charles has made this a safe place for me when I am truly comfortable to post how I feel and I’m very grateful for all that he does.

Besides, I have a score to settle with a certain Ginger Snapped…

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:19:52am

re: #119 wheat-dogg

If there were only some way to document such matters, perhaps from an impartial government agency …

Hmmmm…the same Government Agency whose head was nearly impeached by our Christ Centered RepubliKKKlan KKKongress??????

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jeffreyw  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:21:26am

Imgur


Good morning!

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JasonA  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:22:00am

Sorest winner ever.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:26:11am
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Alyosha  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:36:04am

Fucking pathological.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:36:06am

FYI, “Banjo Kid” from Deliverance.

Billy Redden(born 1956) is an American actor, best known for his role as a backwoods, mountain boy in the 1972 film Deliverance. He played Lonnie, a banjo-playing teenager of the country in north Georgia, who played the noted “Dueling Banjos” with one of the principal characters.

Redden is not developmentally handicapped and he could not actually play the banjo at the time the movie was made (though he has learned since). He still lives in Rabun County.

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Alyosha  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:36:59am

By the way, hello from a shiny new year. Good riddance!

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:43:58am

Just in case you had any lingering shred of doubt that the religious right is composed of evil assholes:

Fuck off, you superstitious fraud. You are a terrorist, Franklin Graham, and your fake religion is a terrorist cult.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:44:50am

re: #145 Alyosha

By the way, hello from a shiny new year. Good riddance!

2016 is going out with the biggest, raunchiest orange-tinted fart…

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:46:18am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

Just in case you had any lingering shred of doubt that the religious right is composed of evil assholes:

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Fuck off, you superstitious fraud. You are a terrorist, Franklin Graham, and your fake religion is a terrorist cult.

The Nixon tapes showed what a blatant Anti-Semite Billy is. Franky hates Muslims and Anne hates gays and lesbians. When they all sit down at the dinner table, I wonder which one is the biggest bigot?????

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:51:24am

re: #138 Joe Bacon

I first posted at Bartcop’s forum (May Terry Rest in Peace), he led me to Democratic Underground, Media Whores Online, Huff Post and Daily Kos. Charles has made this a safe place for me when I am truly comfortable to post how I feel and I’m very grateful for all that he does.

Besides, I have a score to settle with a certain Ginger Snapped…

Hey, I’m a Bartcop vet, too! I even made it to a get-together he had in DC, many years ago… I went by AmericanStranger over there. :)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:52:32am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

Congratulations on the book going to publication. All the scholarly things that I contribute to and/or proofread are gratis due to being a government employee. Just part of a days work. But, since it seems that that is going out the door…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:55:25am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if they misbehave or are arrogant, then nobody will want to hire them to open their new shopping mall.

But, where’s the tabloid fun in that?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:56:43am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

Just in case you had any lingering shred of doubt that the religious right is composed of evil assholes:

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Fuck off, you superstitious fraud. You are a terrorist, Franklin Graham, and your fake religion is a terrorist cult.

They firmly believe that people cannot be good unless they are motivated by fear of eternal damnation. Because God loves us so that he had his son tortured and killed as an example…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 5:57:50am

re: #151 Colère Tueur de Lapin

But, where’s the tabloid fun in that?

then they can make arrangements for exclusive access with the tabloids.

in any case, they are an entire family sponging off the British state and should be abolished…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:01:50am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They firmly believe that people cannot be good unless they are motivated by fear of eternal damnation. Because God loves us so that he had his son tortured and killed as an example…

Another prime example of why the concept of dog is so off. Eternal (they have no idea what that means; humans are really bad with large numbers) damnation for not bowing down. Talk about punishment that not in keeping with the crime… And, benevolence? That went flying out the window, too.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:03:38am

Heh, saw this on my FB feed and it made me chuckle.

Looks like a kaiju. Apparently, it’s a bristle worm.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:11:01am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

Looks like it can eat a water bear for breakfast!

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Alyosha  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:20:19am

I remember listening to Linkin Park when I was gloomy and akward teenager and thinking that I was as angry and depressed as I was ever likely to be.

Haha as if… :)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:28:27am

Morrissey for good wake-up and kill yourself music

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jeffreyw  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:47:29am

Has everyone put on Morrissey this morning?

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Apocalypse  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:50:03am

A Happy New Year to you All!

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:58:17am

re: #100 teleskiguy

darthstar still thinks it’s all Hillary’s fault that she lost.

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The thing is, I’ve admitted that I was wrong in thinking that people would see through the lies that have been built up around Clinton. Her baggage was too great.

But, there was much more going on than that. There were far too many people that did not want a woman following a black man in office. They did not want blacks having their concerns addressed, even if fixing them would help everyone. They’d rather have the guy that would grope their wives and talk about having sex with their daughters because he was going to put women and minorities in their place.

At the same time, Clinton won the popular vote. And a whole lot of people who voted for Trump are going to be screwed. Basically, anyone not wealthy enough to survive without our form of government. And all I know how to do is fight to make sure everyone is taken care of, even those that would cut off their own hand to spite everyone else.

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:03:26am
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Skip Intro  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:05:01am

re: #162 Belafon

If he is, he won’t be much longer after he and his kids get done with looting the government.

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I cannot.  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:12:51am

re: #163 Skip Intro

I actually think he still will be “poor”…its just he’ll have a much larger empire to pay the upkeep on. He can’t help himself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:25:35am
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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:26:36am

re: #161 Belafon

At the same time, I would like to see a Bernie supporter admit that Bernie was being childish going so long after Super Tuesday, when the race was effectively over, still acting like he had a chance to win, and that this hurt Clinton because he didn’t help get his supporters to rally together to defeat Trump.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:28:00am

re: #166 Belafon

Bwaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa ***gasp*** haaa ahaaa ahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahaha

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:29:48am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If we’re going to play the blame game, then there’s plenty of things to talk about.

Personally, I don’t have time for it. I may not every be directly affected by Trump, other than when he completely crashes the economy, but there are way too many people that will be, and I care about all of them way too much to spend any more time on it.

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:36:13am

File under being un-self-aware:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:40:03am

re: #169 Belafon

File under being un-self-aware:

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It’s simple. It’s identity politics when minorities and women fight for issues important to them. It’s “checkbook issues” if the WWC does it. Such bullshit and Cerno knows it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:42:02am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

Just in case you had any lingering shred of doubt that the religious right is composed of evil assholes:

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Fuck off, you superstitious fraud. You are a terrorist, Franklin Graham, and your fake religion is a terrorist cult.

They actually did good in their life, Franklin unlike you who is a miserable bastard who spends his days damning people to hell rather than actually looking at himself.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:46:08am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

They actually did good in their life, Franklin unlike you who is a miserable bastard who spends his days damning people to hell rather than actually looking at himself.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:48:04am

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah but Putin hates gays and Muslims so he’s okay with Franklin. Be great if those Russian Evangelicals gave him a piece of their mind.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:49:16am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 7:50:57am

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

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Just sickens me to think that he’s going to share company with Washington, Lincoln, and JFK. He’s not fucking right in the head.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:02:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:10:21am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Putin hates gays and Muslims so he’s okay with Franklin. Be great if those Russian Evangelicals gave him a piece of their mind.

Putin rides bareback, bare-chested and kills bears with his bear hands. Obama wears mom jeans and wears a helmet to ride a mountain bike.

For Real Men (TM) and True Patriots (TM) the choice is clear…

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Jenner7  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:12:13am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:18:43am

re: #177 Ace-o-aces

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Is that a threat or a promise, Alan? Have to admit, I’m undecided in the Ellison and Perez chair battle, they both have good things they could bring to the party.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:19:37am

re: #179 Jenner7

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It’s easier for him to go on talk shows that tell him that the Dems would have won if they had only listened to him. Not really much respect for him left honestly here.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:19:56am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:20:02am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Putin rides bareback, bare-chested and kills bears with his bear hands. Obama wears mom jeans and wears a helmet to ride a mountain bike.

For Real Men (TM) and True Patriots (TM) the choice is clear…

Of course, Putin is an alpha. //

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:32:38am

But taco Bowls.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:50:11am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Of course, Putin is an alpha. //

Heh let’s see them play some one on one hoops. See whose alpha then.

Oh and happy caturday NYE everyone!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:53:20am

re: #169 Belafon

File under being un-self-aware:

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White isn’t a race, it’s a default. White people are normal. Everyday Americans. REAL Americans. Anything else is different, The Other, Those People.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:55:55am

Happy New Year and on to the triumph over fascism!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:58:13am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 8:58:58am

re: #185 Unshaken Defiance

Heh let’s see them play some one on one hoops. See whose alpha then.

Oh and happy caturday NYE everyone!

Oh yeah Obama could definitely dunk on Vlad.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:00:10am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thug or as Trump calls him tovarich.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:02:44am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:04:12am

re: #193 Ace-o-aces

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He’s such a pathetic scumbag. In a just world, he’d be cleaning up shit while the people he looks down on would live the carefree life he does.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:05:25am

re: #179 Jenner7

Armando @armandodkos
At this point, Sanders’ silence on Russia is quite striking.
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I’ve been wondering if Bernie has said anything about Russia and hacking. I was going to ask the LGF community the other evening, but Darth was on and getting some kickback about something he had posted and I thought it was in bad taste to ask at that time. Yesterday I was just plain busy and not on much.

So, needless to say…no Bernie comments. No surprise actually, I would be more surprised if he did say anything.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:16:05am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:23:50am

Lately I’ve been thinking about the despair/anger/disbelief we all feel about the election of Trump. Wingnuts are pushing ‘get over it, snowflake’ memes, of course. And Liberals are responding with ‘I’ll give him as much respect as you gave Obama’, but that feels too much like simple tit-for-tat.

The thing is, the situation is objectively different. What was the Right afraid of, with Obama? Mostly, things they IMAGINED he’d do - take their guns, throw open the borders to Messicans, surrender to Al Qaeda, give up sovereignty to the UN. There was no reason to believe he’d do any of that, and of course, he didn’t. As an aside, of course there are lots or wingnuts who will tell you either that that’s EXACTLY what he did, or that it was only through their vigilance that he was prevented from doing so.*

OTOH, what are we afraid of, with Trump? Things he said he’d do. Walls. Trade wars. Aligning with Russia. Jailing political opponents. Mass deportations. Nuclear arms race. Encouraging nuclear proliferation. Abandoning our allies to favor Putin. Packing the judiciary with scalias. Repealing the ACA. Abandoning work on climate change.

And then there’s what his party has planned - voucherizing Medicare, cutting Social Security, cutting back on all the social safety net programs, revamping the tax system to favor the rich even more.

And there’s Trump’s disdain for all of the conventions of government, like that the President goes to extremes to prevent even the appearance of conflict of interest, or that he takes questions from the press on a regular basis, or that he’ll at least pretend to take seriously the experts whose job it is to study everything from the climate to what the Russians are up to.

So, no, it’s not tit-for-tat, and there’s far more reason to fear a Trump Presidency than there was - even for Conservatives- to fear Obama’s. But at least they’ve give us a roadmap, and made it clear that the conventions of respect for a President, bipartisanship, political comity, etc. can all be flouted at will.

*Like the joke about the old man in England who stops every few seconds to clap his hands ‘to keep away the tigers’.

“But sir, there ARE NO tigers in England!”

‘You see? It works!’

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:24:59am

Don’t know if this was covered yesterday…so pardons if already posted.

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone had a long story questioning the whole Obama admin and US Intelligence assessment and their statement. He compares “media” reluctance after being used as messengers for the WMD stories used by the Bush admin for the justification of the Iraq war to how the media is not real hot on this whole Russia hacking story.

I have no problem with the media being reluctant as they didn’t do their job with WMD and Iraq.

But…I also have issues with a media that may have been too reluctant to do a complete background expose on all of Trump’s issues and some other issues like putting Hillary’s emails and Benghazi in proper perspective.

So, what to think is my issue…about all of this.

Have a read…I left out the the first few paragraphs as it is just a review of what Obama and the intelligence folks put out so far. I picked it up with the meat of Matt’s “concerns.”

Rolling Stone - Something About This Russia Story Stinks

Subhead: Nearly a decade and a half after the Iraq-WMD faceplant, the American press is again asked to co-sign a dubious intelligence assessment

….

This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all.

Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco.

“It’s déjà vu all over again” is how one friend put it.

You can see awkwardness reflected in the headlines that flew around the Internet Thursday. Some news agencies seemed split on whether to unequivocally declare that Russian hacking took place, or whether to hedge bets and put it all on the government to make that declaration, using “Obama says” formulations.

The New York Times was more aggressive, writing flatly, “Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking.” It backed up its story with a link to a joint FBI/Homeland Security report that details how Russian civilian and military intelligence services (termed “RIS” in the report) twice breached the defenses of “a U.S. political party,” presumably the Democrats.

This report is long on jargon but short on specifics. More than half of it is just a list of suggestions for preventive measures.

At one point we learn that the code name the U.S. intelligence community has given to Russian cyber shenanigans is GRIZZLY STEPPE, a sexy enough detail
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But we don’t learn much at all about what led our government to determine a) that these hacks were directed by the Russian government, or b) they were undertaken with the aim of influencing the election, and in particular to help elect Donald Trump.

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.

If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now.

Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham noted the “small price” Russia paid for its “brazen attack.” The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, said Thursday that taken alone, the Obama response is “insufficient” as a response to “attacks on the United States by a foreign power.”

The “small price” is an eyebrow-raiser. Also, like the WMD story, there’s an element of salesmanship the government is using to push the hacking narrative that should make reporters nervous. Take this line in Obama’s statement about mistreatment of American diplomats in Moscow:

“Moreover, our diplomats have experienced an unacceptable level of harassment in Moscow by Russian security services and police over the last year.”

This appears to refer to an incident this summer in which an American diplomat was beaten outside the diplomatic compound in Moscow. That followed a 2013 case in which a U.S. diplomat named Ryan Fogle was arrested in similar fashion.

Fogle was unequivocally described as a CIA agent in many Russian reports. Photos of Fogle’s shpionsky rekvisit, or spy kit - including wigs and a city map that were allegedly on his person - became the source of many jokes in the Russian press and social media. Similar to this hacking story here in the states, ordinary Russians seemed split on what to believe.

If the Russians messed with an election, that’s enough on its own to warrant a massive response - miles worse than heavy-handed responses to ordinary spying episodes. Obama mentioning these humdrum tradecraft skirmishes feels like he’s throwing something in to bolster an otherwise thin case.

Adding to the problem is that in the last months of the campaign, and also in the time since the election, we’ve seen an epidemic of factually loose, clearly politically motivated reporting about Russia. Democrat-leaning pundits have been unnervingly quick to use phrases like “Russia hacked the election.”

This has led to widespread confusion among news audiences over whether the Russians hacked the DNC emails (a story that has at least been backed by some evidence, even if it hasn’t always been great evidence), or whether Russians hacked vote tallies in critical states (a far more outlandish tale backed by no credible evidence).

As noted in The Intercept and other outlets, an Economist/YouGov poll conducted this month shows that 50 percent of all Clinton voters believe the Russians hacked vote tallies.

This number is nearly as disturbing as the 62 percent of Trump voters who believe the preposterous, un-sourced Trump/Alex Jones contention that “millions” of undocumented immigrants voted in the election

Then there was the episode in which the Washington Post ran that breathless story about Russians aiding the spread of “fake news.” That irresponsible story turned out to have been largely based on one highly dubious source called “PropOrNot” that identified 200 different American alternative media organizations as “useful idiots” of the Russian state.

The Post eventually distanced itself from the story, saying it “does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings.” This was a very strange thing to say in a statement that isn’t an outright retraction. The idea that it’s OK to publish an allegation when you yourself are not confident in what your source is saying is a major departure from what was previously thought to be the norm in a paper like the Post.

There have been other excesses. An interview with Julian Assange by an Italian newspaper has been bastardized in Western re-writes, with papers like The Guardian crediting Assange with “praise” of Trump and seemingly flattering comments about Russia that are not supported by the actual text. (The Guardian has now “amended” a number of the passages in the report in question).

And reports by some Democrat-friendly reporters - like Kurt Eichenwald, who has birthed some real head-scratchers this year, including what he admitted was a baseless claim that Trump spent time in an institution in 1990 - have attempted to argue that Trump surrogates may have been liaising with the Russians because they either visited Russia or appeared on the RT network. Similar reporting about Russian scheming has been based entirely on unnamed security sources.

Now we have this sanctions story, which presents a new conundrum. It appears that a large segment of the press is biting hard on the core allegations of electoral interference emanating from the Obama administration.

Did the Russians do it? Very possibly, in which case it should be reported to the max. But the press right now is flying blind. Plowing ahead with credulous accounts is problematic because so many different feasible scenarios are in play.

On one end of the spectrum, America could have just been the victim of a virtual coup d’etat engineered by a combination of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, which would be among the most serious things to ever happen to our democracy.

But this could also just be a cynical ass-covering campaign, by a Democratic Party that has seemed keen to deflect attention from its own electoral failures.

The outgoing Democrats could just be using an over-interpreted intelligence “assessment” to delegitimize the incoming Trump administration and force Trump into an embarrassing political situation: Does he ease up on Russia and look like a patsy, or escalate even further with a nuclear-armed power?

It could also be something in between. Perhaps the FSB didn’t commission the hack, but merely enabled it somehow. Or maybe the Russians did hack the DNC, but the WikiLeaks material actually came from someone else? There is even a published report to that effect, with a former British ambassador as a source, not that it’s any more believable than anything else here.

We just don’t know, which is the problem.

We ought to have learned from the Judith Miller episode. Not only do governments lie, they won’t hesitate to burn news agencies. In a desperate moment, they’ll use any sucker they can find to get a point across.

I have no problem believing that Vladimir Putin tried to influence the American election. He’s gangster-spook-scum of the lowest order and capable of anything. And Donald Trump, too, was swine enough during the campaign to publicly hope the Russians would disclose Hillary Clinton’s emails. So a lot of this is very believable.

But we’ve been burned before in stories like this, to disastrous effect. Which makes it surprising we’re not trying harder to avoid getting fooled again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:25:31am

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Lately I’ve been thinking about the despair/anger/disbelief we all feel about the election of Trump. Wingnuts are pushing ‘get over it, snowflake’ memes, of course. And Liberals are responding with ‘I’ll give him as much respect as you gave Obama’, but that feels too much like simple tit-for-tat.

The thing is, the situation is objectively different. What was the Right afraid of, with Obama? Mostly, things they IMAGINED he’d do - take their guns, throw open the borders to Messicans, surrender to Al Qaeda, give up sovereignty to the UN. There was no reason to believe he’d do any of that, and of course, he didn’t. As an aside, of course there are lots or wingnuts who will tell you either that that’s EXACTLY what he did, or that it was only through their vigilance that he was prevented from doing so.*

OTOH, what are we afraid of, with Trump? Things he said he’d do. Walls. Trade wars. Aligning with Russia. Jailing political opponents. Mass deportations. Nuclear arms race. Encouraging nuclear proliferation. Abandoning our allies to favor Putin. Packing the judiciary with scalias. Repealing the ACA. Abandoning work on climate change.

And then there’s what his party has planned - voucherizing Medicare, cutting Social Security, cutting back on all the social safety net programs, revamping the tax system to favor the rich even more.

And there’s Trump’s disdain for all of the conventions of government, like that the President goes to extremes to prevent even the appearance of conflict of interest, or that he takes questions from the press on a regular basis, or that he’ll at least pretend to take seriously the experts whose job it is to study everything from the climate to what the Russians are up to.

So, no, it’s not tit-for-tat, and there’s far more reason to fear a Trump Presidency than there was - even for Conservatives- to fear Obama’s. But at least they’ve give us a roadmap, and made it clear that the conventions of respect for a President, bipartisanship, political comity, etc. can all be flouted at will.

Great points. I admit I have said that I’m giving Trump the same respect they gave Obama and my brother’s saying “Well be the bigger person” or “You’re continuing the political problems we have.” I love my brother but I think since he has so many conservative friends and parents of those friends, he’s a bit naive about the right wing and Trump as a whole.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:26:39am

re: #199 ObserverArt

Don’t know if this was covered yesterday…so pardons if already posted.

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone had a long story questioning the whole Obama admin and US Intelligence assessment and their statement. He compares “media” reluctance after being used as messengers for the WMD stories used by the Bush admin for the justification of the Iraq war to how the media is not real hot on this whole Russia hacking story.

I have no problem with the media being reluctant as they didn’t do their job with WMD and Iraq.

But…I also have issues with a media that may have been too reluctant to do a complete background expose on all of Trump’s issues and some other issues like putting Hillary’s emails and Benghazi in proper perspective.

So, what to think is my issue…about all of this.

Have a read…I left out the the first few paragraphs as it is just a review of what Obama and the intelligence folks put out so far. I picked it up with the meat of Matt’s “concerns.”

Rolling Stone - Something About This Russia Story Stinks

I saw that posted on FB. Honestly, I understand why there is reluctance after Iraq but I think the way Trump has acted in regards to Russia and Putin really says a lot.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:27:40am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Nice pic of a T-34 tank.

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scottslemmons  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:28:44am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

Just in case you had any lingering shred of doubt that the religious right is composed of evil assholes:

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Fuck off, you superstitious fraud. You are a terrorist, Franklin Graham, and your fake religion is a terrorist cult.

What strikes me about this is it’s so very much like something Fred Phelps would say.

If Phelps had only lived a little longer, Trump would’ve put him on the Supreme Court.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:29:12am

Well I messaged everyone on Ancestry that I and my parents shared a match with DNA wise. Long shot I guess but maybe something will be found. My mom’s results were much less surprising than my Dad’s which really makes sense given all four her grandparents were immigrants from rural areas who probably didn’t mingle much outside their own culture. My hope is that we can identify her mysterious great grandfather- we don’t know who my grandmother’s maternal grandfather was- no father is listed on the baptismal record or her immigration record.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:29:21am

So when can we start calling this treason?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:31:27am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

I saw that posted on FB. Honestly, I understand why there is reluctance after Iraq but I think the way Trump has acted in regards to Russia and Putin really says a lot.

Yeah, sometimes wanting to be seen as independent leads journalists to simply being contrarian.

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I cannot.  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:32:10am

re: #199 ObserverArt

Don’t know if this was covered yesterday…so pardons if already posted

I’ll just say this…they were scrupulousy careful about not being caught out twice with the Russian connection vs. the WMDs…

…but the media fell over themselves covering a leak of a risotto recipe.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:33:34am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, sometimes wanting to be seen as independent leads journalists to simply being contrarian.

Taibbi has done work on the financial sector, but he has dudebro issues.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:35:29am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, sometimes wanting to be seen as independent leads journalists to simply being contrarian.

Right. I like Matt Talabbi but that absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:35:56am

re: #208 Scottishdragon

Taibbi has done work on the financial sector, but he has dudebro issues.

Yes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:36:10am

re: #208 Scottishdragon

Taibbi has done work on the financial sector, but he has dudebro issues.

“The Establishment, man! The whole Establishment is crooked, man!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:36:30am

re: #205 Scottishdragon

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So when can we start calling this treason?

No kidding. Fucking puppets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:36:42am
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Jenner7  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:36:45am

Come to think of it, Bernie hasn’t commented on the Vermont grid hack attempt.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:38:03am

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

“The Establishment, man! The whole Establishment is crooked, man!”

Frankly, it’s why I like and appreciate people like Hunter S. Thompson, I do get a bit weary of them when they just go off on anti-establishment tirades. I mean I have a healthy mistrust of the establishment but I also can concede the establishment isn’t the evil entity that it’s made out to be. It just is what it is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:38:48am

re: #214 Jenner7

Come to think of it, Bernie hasn’t commented on the Vermont grid hack attempt.

Has Leahy and VT’s House member? I know the governor has.

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Jenner7  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:39:45am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Leahy did.
leahy.senate.gov

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:41:04am

re: #207 Jayleia

I’ll just say this…they were scrupulousy careful about not being caught out twice with the Russian connection vs. the WMDs…

…but the media fell over themselves covering a leak of a risotto recipe.

Yeah about that…

Also, how would this story be covered if it was anyone but Clinton?

And no, I don’t mean Bernie, though that is also a wonder, but more on how some might be thinking Hillary and Obama are doing this to make her and the DNC look better in how the election turned out. I’ve seen comments like that.

Also, comparing WMDs, that turned out to be “jacked-up” bad info, and this Russia Hack story which could have real sensitive details that are factual but can’t be exposed is not the same. So it is not a direct balance on the media scales.

Sadly, there only a few days for the facts to be released if they can be as I think it safe to assume the story will die on January 20th.

I sure hope something or someone can make this thing real, factual and able to stick.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:43:40am

The New Year began here about an hour 40 minutes ago. I was away from the computer, so I could not wish you all a Happy New Year. So, here it is. May your 2017 be way better than your 2016.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:44:23am

re: #199 ObserverArt

This missed a critical point. Trump asked for their help. They delivered. Full stop. The consequence of that help or what looks like a pretty big swing at it, pales before this fact imho. Whatever Putins motives, (the red herring in play) leaked email, hacking, the disinfo campaigns… we really can’t escape the sum of those parts. Obamas response befits his record- can best be described as measured.

In some ways the media again overstates it’s own impact here. Who says Putin was doing this for Trump vs who says it’s about payback for the Orange revolution, Crimea sanctions, or just long term superpower machinations. Pffft. I don’t care. The Russians interfered as best as they dared. Got caught. Wrote more on this at Thanos Page that is featured.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:45:21am
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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:45:25am

re: #218 ObserverArt

It doesn’t help Clinton at all as she can’t magically become president. And, if Trump would come out and say that he’s concerned about Russian hacking and the problems it represents, and that we need an investigation and to prepare for the future, he could easily turn this to something that won’t hurt him. Instead, he’s praising Putin and discounting our intelligence agencies.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:45:51am

re: #217 Jenner7

Leahy did.
leahy.senate.gov

Thanks. Then Bernie really has no excuse for not saying anything. As I said though, I really think he’s more content to make the circuit with people telling him how great he is and how he would have won. I really don’t have much respect for Bernie anymore especially since he continues to act like the WWC doesn’t engage in identity politics while acting like minority groups are ruining our electoral chances for having issues that are unique and do concern them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:46:55am

re: #220 Unshaken Defiance

This missed a critical point. Trump asked for their help. They delivered. Full stop. The consequence of that help or what looks like a pretty big swing at it, pale before this fact imho. Whatever Putins motives, (the red herring in play) leaked email, hacking, the disinfo campaigns… we really can’t escape the sum of those parts. Obamas response befits his record- can best be described as measured.

In some ways the media again overstates it’s own impact here. Who says Putin was doing this for Trump vs who says it’s about payback for the Orange revolution, Crimea sanctions, or just long term superpower machinations. Pffft. I don’t care. The Russians interfered as best as they dared. Got caught. Wrote more on this at Thanos Page that is featured.

That is a great point. Trump literally asked them to hack.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:47:21am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just move to Russia already and cede the WH to Clinton, Kellyanne and it’ll be gravy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:51:15am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

That is a great point. Trump literally asked them to hack.

And that is why Trump has to oppose any investigation. Publicly. Privately. In those Nat Sec briefings.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:52:16am

re: #220 Unshaken Defiance

This missed a critical point. Trump asked for their help. They delivered. Full stop. The consequence of that help or what looks like a pretty big swing at it, pale before this fact imho. Whatever Putins motives, (the red herring in play) leaked email, hacking, the disinfo campaigns… we really can’t escape the sum of those parts. Obamas response befits his record- can best be described as measured.

In some ways the media again overstates it’s own impact here. Who says Putin was doing this for Trump vs who says it’s about payback for the Orange revolution, Crimea sanctions, or just long term superpower machinations. Pffft. I don’t care. The Russians interfered as best as they dared. Got caught. Wrote more on this at Thanos Page that is featured.

re: #222 Belafon

It doesn’t help Clinton at alleast incentives she can’t magically become president. And, if Trump would come out and say that he’s concerned about Russian hacking and the problems it represents, and that we need an investigation and to prepare for the future, he could easily turn this to something that won’t hurt him. Instead, he’s praising Putin and discounting our intelligence agencies.

Good points about Trump.

Problem is Trump is seen as doing no wrong no matter how much wrong he does.

That is why I think it is very much needed to prove the facts of this story minus Trump.

Trump’s people and the Bernie Bros are going to use anything related to Trump as election sour grapes.

This needs to be a direct hit on the Russia hacking so that it becomes more than anything to do with the election. This needs to be seen as Russian messing with America…not Trump, Clinton, Sanders, etc.

There are far too many excuse makers ready and willing to kill this story…media included.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:52:27am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the aspects of the series that touch on British history of the period, but I refuse to have any sympathy for a family that has the hereditary right to the Crown but somehow chafes under the archaic rules of hereditary monarchy. If they don’t like it, they can quit and go find some honest employment.

If I were British, I would support the privatization of the monarchy: British Royal, plc. Let them make their money from paid public appearances, ribbon-cuttings and speeches. It would help keep them in line: if they misbehave or are arrogant, then nobody will want to hire them to open their new shopping mall.

I hear you. In some ways, I respect the idea that the British monarchy is in some ways another branch of the government, but the expense and cultural baggage associated with it defies all logic. Now, it seems very anachronistic to maintain the pretense that the UK and Commonwealth have a hereditary head of state when in fact she (or he, in the future) is largely a symbol of a long-demolished Empire.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:52:42am

re: #226 Unshaken Defiance

And that is why Trump has to oppose any investigation. Publicly. Privately. In those Nat Sec briefings.

Yeah, I think he knows he’d be exposed for what he is if it were actually investigated. He’s a fucking pawn. MAGA. More like Make Russia Great Again with the help of our American puppet, Donald.

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:53:19am

re: #199 ObserverArt

Don’t know if this was covered yesterday…so pardons if already posted.

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone had a long story questioning the whole Obama admin and US Intelligence assessment and their statement. He compares “media” reluctance after being used as messengers for the WMD stories used by the Bush admin for the justification of the Iraq war to how the media is not real hot on this whole Russia hacking story.

Taibbi is suspect in my eyes - too tight with the dudebro crowd to make an objective call a lot of the time.

And from what I read of what you posted, it sounds as though he’s making excuses for a complicit media. None of them had any problem covering the fuck out of Hillary’s emails, based on flimsy if not non-existent ‘evidence.’

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:54:49am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Then Bernie really has no excuse for not saying anything. As I said though, I really think he’s more content to make the circuit with people telling him how great he is and how he would have won. I really don’t have much respect for Bernie anymore especially since he continues to act like the WWC doesn’t engage in identity politics while acting like minority groups are ruining our electoral chances for having issues that are unique and do concern them.

So, Bernie is the Trump that didn’t win, but needs the same constant reinforcement from his followers of how right and great he would have been.

Interesting…in an egotistic way. Hmmmm.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:55:24am

re: #230 makeitstop

Taibbi is suspect in my eyes - too tight with the dudebro crowd to make an objective call a lot of the time.

And from what I read of what you posted, it sounds as though he’s making excuses for a complicit media. None of them had any problem covering the fuck out of Hillary’s emails, based on flimsy if not non-existent ‘evidence.’

Yeah I like Taibbi for some of the work he’s done but he can be way too much of a Dudebro when it concerns national security. And to a certain extent, I don’t blame him for that since the Bush administration caused a lot of people to have skepticism in national security but I don’t think skepticism for the sake of skepticism is healthy either. In fact, I think if anything the Obama administration national security apparatus wants to be extra careful after what happened in IRaq.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:55:56am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

The New Year began here about an hour 40 minutes ago. I was away from the computer, so I could not wish you all a Happy New Year. So, here it is. May your 2017 be way better than your 2016.

And a Happy New Year to you as well. About five hours to go here in Central Europe.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:55:57am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

That is a great point. Trump literally asked them to hack.

I can already see the excuse for that…

Donny was just tossing political meat and didn’t really mean it…come on!!!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:56:30am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:57:54am

re: #231 ObserverArt

So, Bernie is the Trump that didn’t win, but needs the same constant reinforcement from his followers of how right and great he would have been.

Interesting…in an egotistic way. Hmmmm.

In my opinion, Bernie has a lot more in common with Trump in how he conducts himself than his diehards would concede. So, yes, I think he does need that same re-enforcement. I like a good amount of what Sanders stands for but as a leader, I can’t stand him since he wants to tell the Democratic Party what to do while not bothering to first join the party and secondly look within. And I frankly feel that Sanders created a similiar cult of personality like Trump did for himself among his diehards. And as I said him crapping on minority voters for having the audacity to have unique interests needs to stop.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 9:58:16am

re: #234 ObserverArt

I can already see the excuse for that…

Donny was just tossing political meat and didn’t really mean it…come on!!!

He claims he was joking. Even if he was, you don’t joke about that fucking shit.

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Jenner7  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:03:14am

Okay then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:04:04am

As I have said though, what people like Sanders don’t want to concede for God knows what reason is that it is the Republicans that wage these cultural issues in the first place. It is they who when they regained control of state legislatures in 2010 decided to wage war on choice, it is they who scapegoat immigrants, it is they who want to give special protections to anti LGBT businesses, and it was the North Carolina GOP that decided to make transgendered people using their choice of bathroom into an issue. In a sense, Bernie understands the importance of economic issues but what he doesn’t want to concede for again reasons I don’t know is that the Republicans are the ones who waged these cultural issues in the first place and the Democrats response is just that. Honestly, I am glad Bernie didn’t win the nomination. Our party’s future was not a seventy-six year old man who wasn’t even a member of it. I would have supported him over any Republican but I remain confident that Clinton was not only a better candidate than him but she would have made a much better President for all Americans than he.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:04:46am

re: #238 Jenner7

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Okay then.

Yeah, this is Bernie’s biggest problem: He’s tone deaf. The people just elected the living embodiment of crony capitalism and yet Bernie’s out there, insisting that people will vote against such people.

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Skip Intro  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:05:18am

re: #238 Jenner7

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Okay then.

Apparently they don’t Bern. Did you notice who won the election yet?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:05:56am

Can Bernie Sanders please shut up? Please shut up?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:06:18am

re: #238 Jenner7

You cannot be a party which takes money from Wall Street and then tells working families you are on their side. People see through that.

Unless they’re stupid white people of course.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:06:27am

re: #238 Jenner7

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Okay then.

Sigh, he just doesn’t get it. A lot of people on Wall Street are part of working families too. I’m sorry. I am not a huge fan of Wall Street I concede but the way Bernie talks about every person who works for them, it’s not at all different from the Republicans who attack federal workers. My cousin works on Wall Street. She has a much harder time making her rent than Bernie does. And honestly a lot of those people on Wall Street like my cousin do in fact have forward thinking positions on immigration, choice, LGBT people, and other issues.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:06:52am

re: #240 Targetpractice

Yeah, this is Bernie’s biggest problem: He’s tone deaf. The people just elected the living embodiment of crony capitalism and yet Bernie’s out there, insisting that people will vote against such people.

That too. I wish he would fucking stop it.

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:07:40am

I got an old amp out of the repair shop last week, and I’ve been spending the morning with it and a Les Paul. One subject of my jamout was this song.

Todd Rundgren - The Death Of Rock “N” Roll

That TR is a very underrated guitarist.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:07:48am

I think Bernie Sanders honestly thinks every person who works on Wall Street is a fat cat who has tons of money to spare.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:10:41am

Most of the money the Democrats get from Wall Street is in fact from people who work on Wall Street, that is to say regular workers and not executives. A lot of them happen to like and appreciate our party’s socially liberal positions. If Bernie wants to crap on them just because of how they make their money, he’s a goddamn fool. Not every Wall Street worker is Gordon goddamn Gekko and I really wish Bernie would stop acting like they are. As I said, I hate it when Republicans do that crap to federal workers and I don’t like it being done to people on Wall Street either. Wall Street needs reform, I 100% agree but the people who work there aren’t a faceless enemy.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:12:27am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

Right back at you with wishes for a better 2017!

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:13:34am

re: #240 Targetpractice

Yeah, this is Bernie’s biggest problem: He’s tone deaf. The people just elected the living embodiment of crony capitalism and yet Bernie’s out there, insisting that people will vote against such people.

re: #241 Skip Intro

Apparently they don’t Bern. Did you notice who won the election yet?

I wish someone would ask Bernie to explain that very point. I have a feeling he would be as shifty-eyed as he was dancing around the definition of political correctness with Chris Hayes in that Wisconsin Town Hall show. And as totally and stunningly wrong.

And Bernie didn’t even seem to notice how the entire room full of people were just flat silent. Yeah…tone deaf displayed large.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:14:00am

This isn’t even a defense of Wall Street in itself but more a defense of individuals. There are a lot of people who work on Wall Street who are genuinely decent people like the rest of just trying to make a living and it really grates me when Sanders makes every last one of them out to be the culprits for the financial crisis or when he acts like they can’t have a place in our party.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:14:36am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Sigh, he just doesn’t get it. A lot of people on Wall Street are part of working families too. I’m sorry. I am not a huge fan of Wall Street I concede but the way Bernie talks about every person who works for them, it’s not at all different from the Republicans who attack federal workers. My cousin works on Wall Street. She has a much harder time making her rent than Bernie does. And honestly a lot of those people on Wall Street like my cousin do in fact have forward thinking positions on immigration, choice, LGBT people, and other issues.

Bernie and his ideological stablemate Stein are (unfortunately) the reason why the DNC regularly gets slagged as “hating success” or whatever variation of that you hear on a daily basis. The party itself is usually saying “The rich should pay their fair share,” but the squeakiest wheels are out there screaming “AMERICA WILL NEVER BE GREAT UNTIL WE HANG ALL THE BANKERS!”

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retired cynic  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:14:54am

There is good on twitter! You can even read the long string of responses, and some are great.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:15:25am

re: #250 ObserverArt

I wish someone would ask Bernie to explain that very point. I have a feeling he would be as shifty-eyed as he was dancing around the definition of political correctness with Chris Hayes in that Wisconsin Town Hall show. And as totally and stunningly wrong.

And Bernie didn’t even seem to notice how the entire room full of people were just flat silent. Yeah…tone deaf displayed large.

I’d like him to explain why a candidate like Feingold in fact did worse than Clinton in Wisconsin. Bernie just can’t admit that his beloved white working class do in fact have a lot of bigots in it who vote against our party accordingly and wouldn’t vote for us if we did what Bernie wanted.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:16:12am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:16:59am

re: #252 Targetpractice

Bernie and his ideological stablemate Stein are (unfortunately) the reason why the DNC regularly gets slagged as “hating success” or whatever variation of that you hear on a daily basis. The party itself is usually saying “The rich should pay their fair share,” but the squeakiest wheels are out there screaming “AMERICA WILL NEVER BE GREAT UNTIL WE HANG ALL THE BANKERS!”

Yeah I hate to admit that but they do feed the bs about what Democrats believe about wealth and success. Bernie seems to view every last person on Wall Street as a crook and I think that’s idiotic not to mention a dangerous way of thinking. As I said, I don’t like it when federal and government employees of any kind are treated that way by the right and I don’t think it’s fair or right to do the same to Wall Street.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:17:18am

re: #255 Dave In Austin

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I’ve seen that one posted quite a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:19:28am

The gay broker on Wall Street who values our party’s support of LGBT rights is someone I’d much rather have in our party than the heterosexual coal miner who hates that our party doesn’t see a future in coal mining. Now if that miner wants to be part of our party and coalition, that’s fine but he shouldn’t get preference over the broker just because he’s working class.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:20:56am

re: #252 Targetpractice

Bernie and his ideological stablemate Stein are (unfortunately) the reason why the DNC regularly gets slagged as “hating success” or whatever variation of that you hear on a daily basis. The party itself is usually saying “The rich should pay their fair share,” but the squeakiest wheels are out there screaming “AMERICA WILL NEVER BE GREAT UNTIL WE HANG ALL THE BANKERS!”

Everything is so much easier if you just paint people as either good or evil.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:23:02am

I’ve seen a number of times “Millennials are too accepting of Socialism!”, as if this is the result of leftist teaching. Maybe they’re more okay with Socialism because Capitalism is not working out as well for them as it did for my generation?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:23:13am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen that one posted quite a bit.

Very good…. I’m guilty of a lot of it myself. Of course being the (sober) alky that I am, it comes naturally.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:27:20am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve seen a number of times “Millennials are too accepting of Socialism!”, as if this is the result of leftist teaching. Maybe they’re more okay with Socialism because Capitalism is not working out as well for them as it did for my generation?

I think you’re absolutely right about that. I’ve seen that canard a lot by the right. And yeah I think my generation hasn’t seen the benefits of capitalism that the previous generations did. When my parents or even the Gen Xers were younger, they could get a good job with their college degree and hell the boomers could with their HS diplomas and our grandparents could do it as dropouts. To another extent this is why I am very sympathetic to the idea of more affordable college education for all, I don’t see it as the end all, I have a college degree and I have seen first hand that a college degree won’t guarantee one a good job. And I guess this is where Sanders fell short with me. He always talked about making that tuition more affordable, not helping out afterwords or programs within college. You have a son on the spectrum like myself, I know I benefitetd immensely from education programs that helped people with disabilities such as myself.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:32:09am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve seen a number of times “Millennials are too accepting of Socialism!”, as if this is the result of leftist teaching. Maybe they’re more okay with Socialism because Capitalism is not working out as well for them as it did for my generation?

It doesn’t help that the “capitalism” that RWNJs promote is the same caricature of capitalism that Socialism talks about.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:33:35am

re: #253 retired cynic

That little cirlce that says H645 is the legendary MIT Multics box.

It’s a shame that a lot of the ideas Multics brought forward had to be relearned….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:33:57am

re: #263 Timothy Watson

It doesn’t help that the “capitalism” that RWNJs promote is the same caricature of capitalism that Socialism talks about.

Yep, the right’s “capitalism” is the type of capitalism that led to socialist revolutions. It’s not just opposing increases in the minimum wage, it’s opposing the minimum wage period, etc.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:34:11am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve seen a number of times “Millennials are too accepting of Socialism!”, as if this is the result of leftist teaching. Maybe they’re more okay with Socialism because Capitalism is not working out as well for them as it did for my generation?

Folks of my and Happy’s generation grew up being constantly told “work hard and get a quality education and you’ll go far.” So we worked our asses off, we got those college degrees and took on the debt to attain them, and then we found out once we got into the working world that businesses now practice a contradictory system where they want experience along with the degree, but you can’t get the experience without getting a job for which you need that degree. Not to mention the legal slavery that is unpaid “internships,” where you have to take a second job just to pay to work the first.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:34:53am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:35:41am

In the end, my economic views can be simplified. Some things are better up to the private sector and some to the public. I like most people am both a socialist and a capitalist. Most people on the extremes of the debate don’t want to admit they’re both. We have never been a purely capitalistic society ever and when we frankly leaned more closer to the capitalist side of the dial, the country was a worse place to live.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:37:34am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Folks of my and Happy’s generation grew up being constantly told “work hard and get a quality education and you’ll go far.” So we worked our asses off, we got those college degrees and took on the debt to attain them, and then we found out once we got into the working world that businesses now practice a contradictory system where they want experience along with the degree, but you can’t get the experience without getting a job for which you need that degree. Not to mention the legal slavery that is unpaid “internships,” where you have to take a second job just to pay to work the first.

Nailed it. The other thing is that college is much more expensive in our time than it was in our parents. I don’t deny our parents. They did work hard for their degrees and they did work hard in their jobs but their generation did have it a bit easier. And you nailed it on the notorious unpaid “internships.” Those need to stop. I don’t care if the intern doesn’t have a future with the company or not.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:39:17am

re: #267 Eric The Fruit Bat

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The old far left and far right intersection.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:42:15am

“This generation does nothing but complain.” Well let’s see. You had a more higher adjusted for inflation minimum wage. College was more affordable for your generation. You grew up in a relatively prosperous time. Oh and you didn’t get dangled around by the balls being told you needed more experience but were only offered an entrance job with little job security. And if I hear another old bastard complain about the participation trophies again, I’m going to scream, you gave them to us. I didn’t ask for a trophy for playing baseball and basketball. I liked playing baseball and basketball. Getting a trophy at the end of season pizza party was nice but I didn’t need it.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:45:48am
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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:46:18am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

“This generation does nothing but complain.” Well let’s see. You had a more higher adjusted for inflation minimum wage. College was more affordable for your generation. You grew up in a relatively prosperous time. Oh and you didn’t get dangled around by the balls being told you needed more experience but were only offered an entrance job with little job security. And if I hear another old bastard complain about the participation trophies again, I’m going to scream, you gave them to us. I didn’t ask for a trophy for playing baseball and basketball. I liked playing baseball and basketball. Getting a trophy at the end of season pizza party was nice but I didn’t need it.

I get so pissed when I see entry-level jobs that require a B.S/M.S. with two years of experience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:46:30am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Folks of my and Happy’s generation grew up being constantly told “work hard and get a quality education and you’ll go far.” So we worked our asses off, we got those college degrees and took on the debt to attain them, and then we found out once we got into the working world that businesses now practice a contradictory system where they want experience along with the degree, but you can’t get the experience without getting a job for which you need that degree. Not to mention the legal slavery that is unpaid “internships,” where you have to take a second job just to pay to work the first.

And when they do pay you, it’s essentially minimum wage.
And little or no benefits.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:47:29am

The amazing thing to me is how few people can accept that more than one thing can be true.

It can be true that HRC’s campaign didn’t do a good enough job, AND that Russia’s hacking and the slow leak of largely meaningless emails damaged her sufficiently that, absent then, she squeezes out a win in MI, WI, and PA.

It can be true that the economic concerns of the WWC are real, AND that the WWC who went for Trump are stupid and gullible.

It can be true that Trump supporters are basically good people, AND that they harbor racist resentments.

It can be true that Trump is a rich guy AND that he’s largely owned by others.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:49:37am

re: #273 Timothy Watson

I get so pissed when I see entry-level jobs that require a B.S/M.S. with two years of experience.

Yeah I hate seeing that. I look for jobs and see entry level and I think hey great, I could do this, and then I see that I need a certain amount of experience that I certainly don’t have. In a way, even though I’m non-paying at my present job, I’m grateful to the lawyer I work for since he took a chance on me even though I’m not a law student and has been patient with me. More employers could benefit from that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:51:09am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

And when they do pay you, it’s essentially minimum wage.
And little or no benefits.

Yep. Another thing but housing is way up too and prices in general. In a lot of ways, we do live better lives than our parents and grandparents did but economic justice has slowed down.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:51:27am

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

The amazing thing to me is how few people can accept that more than one thing can be true.

It can be true that HRC’s campaign didn’t do a good enough job, AND that Russia’s hacking and the slow leak of largely meaningless emails damaged her sufficiently that, absent then, she squeezes out a win in MI, WI, and PA.

It can be true that the economic concerns of the WWC are real, AND that the WWC who went for Trump are stupid and gullible.

It can be true that Trump supporters are basically good people, AND that they harbor racist resentments.

It can be true that Trump is a rich guy AND that he’s largely owned by others.

Well said.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:55:00am

And here’s another thing but I get tired of liberal arts majors being looked down on. Listen if you’re a STEMs person and good at that, great. That’s your skill. I’m not a scientific and mathematical minded person. I’m a humanities guy. You need a lot of different minds for society to work. We can’t all be artists and we can’t all be businessmen.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:57:18am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

“This generation does nothing but complain.” Well let’s see. You had a more higher adjusted for inflation minimum wage. College was more affordable for your generation. You grew up in a relatively prosperous time. Oh and you didn’t get dangled around by the balls being told you needed more experience but were only offered an entrance job with little job security. And if I hear another old bastard complain about the participation trophies again, I’m going to scream, you gave them to us. I didn’t ask for a trophy for playing baseball and basketball. I liked playing baseball and basketball. Getting a trophy at the end of season pizza party was nice but I didn’t need it.

“Participation trophies” are not something our generation created, we didn’t ask for the damned things and even we see them as a joke. They’re something that the yuppies and their Gen X offspring came up with, the “helicopter parents” who didn’t want Junior to feel bad because he didn’t get a trophy at the end of the season. No offense to the parents in attendance, but a lot of the “you kids have it so easy” business came about because our parents lowered the bar. And a large part of the reason for that is because we’re increasingly becoming a nation of latch-key kids, parents working longer shifts or multiple jobs and having no time left in the day to be parents. That’s not something that’s gonna magically change with a voucher or a charter school, no matter how much conservatives may believe so.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 10:59:21am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Just want to point out that among other difficulties of the time were- war, violent civil protests, inflation, then the next worst recession ever. That one swept out middle management like crazy. Savings and Loan crisis. And college was a very significant financial challenge, not as bad as now but still enough to bend the lives and lifestyle of parents and kids.

And no internet.

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wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:01:17am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yeah I hate seeing that. I look for jobs and see entry level and I think hey great, I could do this, and then I see that I need a certain amount of experience that I certainly don’t have. In a way, even though I’m non-paying at my present job, I’m grateful to the lawyer I work for since he took a chance on me even though I’m not a law student and has been patient with me. More employers could benefit from that.

You must be doing good for him, you haven’t lost your articulate edge, your typing speed, nor your insight. He might be doing some good for you, too. Except for cutting in to your LGF time, that’s not good, but it happens to many of us.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:03:55am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yeah I hate seeing that. I look for jobs and see entry level and I think hey great, I could do this, and then I see that I need a certain amount of experience that I certainly don’t have. In a way, even though I’m non-paying at my present job, I’m grateful to the lawyer I work for since he took a chance on me even though I’m not a law student and has been patient with me. More employers could benefit from that.

It took me forever to get a job when I finally got one after finishing college in 2011. It wasn’t until July 2012 that I ended up with a job, and that was making $27,000 a year.

I had a bachelor of science (criminal justice) and had done an internship with the local Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office. The only reason I got the job was because the Commonwealth’s Attorney knew someone and made a call that got me an interview.

I worked there for several years (and was only making $28,720 when I left) and managed to get a job at another place where I started off at $36,000, later uped to $38,720 and should be going up to $40,040 soon. But I didn’t get the interview because of HR’s selection, but because my now supervisor was looking over the applicants and saw my education level and other skills and was wondering why I was only making $28,720 at my previous job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:06:38am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

And here’s another thing but I get tired of liberal arts majors being looked down on. Listen if you’re a STEMs person and good at that, great. That’s your skill. I’m not a scientific and mathematical minded person. I’m a humanities guy. You need a lot of different minds for society to work. We can’t all be artists and we can’t all be businessmen.

^THIS^

Who else here are beyond FIA when looking at owners’ manuals or any kind of product documentation and hoping beyond all hope that there might be some semblance of logic or actual helpful information included? Or that it even makes even a small lick of sense?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:06:45am

re: #281 Unshaken Defiance

Just want to point out that among other difficulties of the time were- war, violent civil protests, inflation, then the next worst recession ever. That one swept out middle management like crazy. Savings and Loan crisis. And college was a very significant financial challenge, not as bad as now but still enough to bend the lives and lifestyle of parents and kids.

And no internet.

Yeah you’re right. I hope I didn’t mean to sound like I was dismissing the challenges that were faced then. I admit, I’m a little defensive because I turn 30 next year and I’m still struggling to find work and it just grinds my gears when someone who has no idea of what I’ve been through tells me I do nothing but complain.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:08:14am

The Greatest Generation thought their kids were whiners because they didn’t live through the Great Depression and a world war.

The Boomers thought the Gen Xers were whiners because they didn’t have to worry about being draft to fight in Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, or Watergate.

And now the Gen Xers think Millenials are whiners because they don’t have to deal with Reaganomics, the Cold War, or a world without Internet.

Already, I’m looking at the kids today and thinking they’ve got it good because they have no idea what it was like before things like wifi, cellphones, and didn’t have to deal with the job market of the Great Recession.

Thus the Circle of Gripes keeps going.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:08:18am

re: #282 wrenchwench

You must be doing good for him, you haven’t lost your articulate edge, your typing speed, nor your insight. He might be doing some good for you, too. Except for cutting in to your LGF time, that’s not good, but it happens to many of us.

I’ve been learning a lot. Yeah I don’t slack on the job. I love the work because A) I know I’m helping people and B) I’m learning a lot too. I had to a memo on asset protections this week and learned a lot about that. Plus I was able to give him some stock recommendations- we do consulting on the side. I was explaining to him how Amazon Prime works.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:09:52am

re: #286 Targetpractice

The Greatest Generation thought their kids were whiners because they didn’t live through the Great Depression and a world war.

The Boomers thought the Gen Xers were whiners because they didn’t have to worry about being draft to fight in Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, or Watergate.

And now the Gen Xers think Millenials are whiners because they don’t have to deal with Reaganomics, the Cold War, or a world without Internet.

Already, I’m looking at the kids today and thinking they’ve got it good because they have no idea what it was like before things like wifi, cellphones, and didn’t have to deal with the job market of the Great Recession.

Thus the Circle of Gripes keeps going.

I’m going to be amused in 30 years when my niece starts looking down on the kids of the 2040’s heh.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:10:30am

You kids need to stop complaining about the Plague. Everyone in my village had leporsy and we didn’t complain!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:10:58am

re: #286 Targetpractice

I hope when I have kids, I don’t go around badmouthing because they didn’t have to watch two airplanes destroy two skyscrapers when they were 13 or 14.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:12:24am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

^THIS^

Who else here are beyond FIA when looking at owners’ manuals or any kind of product documentation and hoping beyond all hope that there might be some semblance of logic or actual helpful information included? Or that it even makes even a small lick of sense?

I really think being a history major prepared me for how to deal with different kinds of people in a way that a computer science education would not. Yes, I’m sure I’d be making more money if I majored in CS but I A) like history and B) think being able to understand people and different places is vital especially if you’re living in a diverse area like I do.

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nines09  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:12:55am

re: #246 makeitstop

I got an old amp out of the repair shop last week, and I’ve been spending the morning with it and a Les Paul. One subject of my jamout was this song.

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Video

That TR is a very underrated guitarist.

Define old amp. I love old amps.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:13:29am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

I hope when I have kids, I don’t go around badmouthing because they didn’t have to watch two airplanes destroy two skyscrapers when they were 13 or 14.

I do have to admit that I have told my brother who was born in 2001 that he does take for granted that we’ve always had a computer, gaming console, cable, and internet in his lifetime.

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wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:14:30am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

^THIS^

Who else here are beyond FIA when looking at owners’ manuals or any kind of product documentation and hoping beyond all hope that there might be some semblance of logic or actual helpful information included? Or that it even makes even a small lick of sense?

I had to google FIA, but I have a small collection of (bike oriented) owner’s manuals that are strictly pictorial or say only, ‘Take it to a professional.’

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:14:58am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I’m going to be amused in 30 years when my niece starts looking down on the kids of the 2040’s heh.

I’m already at this point and I’m only 32:

Family Guy: Electricity

Except I’m telling kids about the days of dial-up modems, cellphone “bricks,” and and how much of what we now take for granted (ex: ordering groceries online) were big ideas back when we growing up during the 90s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:15:11am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Thus the Circle of Gripes keeps going.

Festivus 4Ever!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:17:42am

re: #295 Targetpractice

I’m already at this point and I’m only 32:

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Except I’m telling kids about the days of dial-up modems, cellphone “bricks,” and and how much of what we now take for granted (ex: ordering groceries online) were big ideas back when we growing up during the 90s.

Heh yeah, I remember when so much that is now commonplace was revolutionary. I mean it’s little things. I remember when a sports game on the West Coast would end late and I couldn’t find the result in the paper so I’d have to find out who won from either word of mouth or flipping channels. Nowadays, I can get the notification for who won on a phone. It’s little things like that.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:18:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:19:25am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m sick of that. Just because McCarthy was an asshole doesn’t mean it’s right to discredit this. Really infuriating to see.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:19:45am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Heh yeah, I remember when so much that is now commonplace was revolutionary. I mean it’s little things. I remember when a sports game on the West Coast would end late and I couldn’t find the result in the paper so I’d have to find out who won from either word of mouth or flipping channels. Nowadays, I can get the notification for who won on a phone. It’s little things like that.

Just to put things in perspective: Most of us who lived through 9/11 first heard about it either from a friend or by flipping on the news. 15 years later, we get bombarded by breaking news like that on an almost constant basis via our cellphones. Even bog-standard cellphones now have apps for a dozen different news services that will bombard your with breaking news notices.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:24:12am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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The far-left are dismissive of the Russian hacking because they want to keep their entire focus of the 2016 election on one thing: Their hatred of Hillary Clinton. If you start talking about anything but how “awful” a candidate she was, you start to rationalize her loss, and they don’t want that.

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Skip Intro  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:27:43am
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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:28:03am

re: #238 Jenner7

Then why did so many vote for Trump?

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darthstar  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:28:05am

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:29:15am

re: #300 Targetpractice

Just to put things in perspective: Most of us who lived through 9/11 first heard about it either from a friend or by flipping on the news. 15 years later, we get bombarded by breaking news like that on an almost constant basis via our cellphones. Even bog-standard cellphones now have apps for a dozen different news services that will bombard your with breaking news notices.

I first heard about it via an SMS from a fellow English teacher in Prague. I still remember it. About 5 minutes after that, my ex called and told me “You’d better get to a TV - your country is under attack.”

But it was an SMS that was the first indication that something big was going down.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:30:16am

re: #300 Targetpractice

Just to put things in perspective: Most of us who lived through 9/11 first heard about it either from a friend or by flipping on the news. 15 years later, we get bombarded by breaking news like that on an almost constant basis via our cellphones. Even bog-standard cellphones now have apps for a dozen different news services that will bombard your with breaking news notices.

Yeah very true.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:31:04am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

“This generation does nothing but complain.” Well let’s see. You had a more higher adjusted for inflation minimum wage. College was more affordable for your generation. You grew up in a relatively prosperous time. Oh and you didn’t get dangled around by the balls being told you needed more experience but were only offered an entrance job with little job security. And if I hear another old bastard complain about the participation trophies again, I’m going to scream, you gave them to us. I didn’t ask for a trophy for playing baseball and basketball. I liked playing baseball and basketball. Getting a trophy at the end of season pizza party was nice but I didn’t need it.

Happy, I certainly understand your point…but the guy in the video was not “an old bastard” was he? He seemed to be more in line with the age bracket he was talking about.

As we somewhat covered yesterday on the same topic of generations, bitching about your lot in life is as old as man, part of what I always consider the human condition.

It is just flat out easier to blame others and other things than to dig in and find out what make you the individual tick.

Sure, there may be more or less stimulus to mess with goals or take away from goals, but there is always a source of problems that every generation can blame.

Just like there is always something that each and every generation can use to claim they are the best.

Welcome to planet earth and how life really is. Try to understand that and then go on. Strip it down to the very core…life sucks…but here you are. The key is what do you do after you realize life does in fact suck.

You, the individual makes it better for you and others. No one else and nothing else can be counted on to make it better for you or others.

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I cannot.  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:31:19am

re: #304 darthstar

I posted that the other day :-P

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Charles Johnson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:33:06am

re: #301 Targetpractice

The far-left are dismissive of the Russian hacking because they want to keep their entire focus of the 2016 election on one thing: Their hatred of Hillary Clinton. If you start talking about anything but how “awful” a candidate she was, you start to rationalize her loss, and they don’t want that.

I first heard about 9/11 from an email to a web developer mailing list. It said something like, “Wow, did you see that? A plane just flew into the Trade Center.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:33:12am

re: #286 Targetpractice

The Greatest Generation thought their kids were whiners because they didn’t live through the Great Depression and a world war.

The Boomers thought the Gen Xers were whiners because they didn’t have to worry about being draft to fight in Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, or Watergate.

And now the Gen Xers think Millenials are whiners because they don’t have to deal with Reaganomics, the Cold War, or a world without Internet.

Already, I’m looking at the kids today and thinking they’ve got it good because they have no idea what it was like before things like wifi, cellphones, and didn’t have to deal with the job market of the Great Recession.

Thus the Circle of Gripes keeps going.

Somewhere in some cave or on some deeply buried stone tablet is the first “these kids today” probably in pictographs.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:34:01am

re: #307 ObserverArt

Happy, I certainly understand your point…but the guy in the video was not “an old bastard” was he? He seemed to be more in line with the age bracket he was talking about.

As we somewhat covered yesterday on the same topic of generations, bitching about your lot in life is as old as man, part of what I always consider the human condition.

It is just flat out easier to blame others and other things than to dig in and find out what make you the individual tick.

Sure, there may be more or less stimulus to mess with goals or take away from goals, but there is always a source of problems that every generation can blame.

Just like there is always something that each and every generation can use to claim they are the best.

Welcome to planet earth and how life really is. Try to understand that and then go on. Strip it down to the very core…life sucks…but here you are. The key is what do you do after you realize life does in fact suck.

You, the individual makes it better for you and others. No one else and nothing else can be counted on to make it better for you or others.

Oh, I wasn’t talking about that guy. I was talking about people in general. I admit that I’m a little sensitive due to my employment troubles in the past.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:34:39am

re: #310 Unshaken Defiance

Somewhere in some cave or on some deeply buried stone tablet is the first “these kids today” probably in pictographs.

Damn kids haven’t lived unless they’ve experienced a barbarian invasion!

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b.d.  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:34:40am

QUIT SPIKING THE FOOTBALL LIBTARDS!!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:34:45am

re: #295 Targetpractice

I’m already at this point and I’m only 32:

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Except I’m telling kids about the days of dial-up modems, cellphone “bricks,” and and how much of what we now take for granted (ex: ordering groceries online) were big ideas back when we growing up during the 90s.

I like to tease younger millennials about MS-DOS and Windows 3.11. :)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:36:13am

re: #314 Timothy Watson

I like to tease younger millennials about MS-DOS and Windows 3.11. :)

I do remember dial-up. Man I hated that. “GET OFF THE INTERNET, I HAVE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!” Oh and of course how slow things downloaded. One thing I love about the present is how easy it is to access music. Even in those days, music wasn’t that easy to access. I still remember using Limewire and Kazaa and my computer getting messed up because of all the Spyware.

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darthstar  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:36:33am

Today’s players are such wimps…just look at the lame excuses they have for skpping bowl games…

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:36:46am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sick of that. Just because McCarthy was an asshole doesn’t mean it’s right to discredit this. Really infuriating to see.

Funny thing is that conservatives continue to defend McCarthy et al. Hell, Ann Coulter wrote a whole book defending McCarthy.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:37:54am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I do remember dial-up. Man I hated that. “GET OFF THE INTERNET, I HAVE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!” Oh and of course how slow things downloaded. One thing I love about the present is how easy it is to access music. Even in those days, music wasn’t that easy to access. I still remember using Limewire and Kazaa and my computer getting messed up because of all the Spyware.

You pretty much needed GetRight or another download manager if you wanted to download anything, and God forbid if the server didn’t support resuming a download.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:38:03am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

Funny thing is that conservatives continue to defend McCarthy et al. Hell, Ann Coulter wrote a whole book defending McCarthy.

Yeah I do remember when she did that. There was even a photo of her at his grave site. She’s certainly one messed up individual.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:38:45am

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I first heard about 9/11 from an email to a web developer mailing list. It said something like, “Wow, did you see that? A plane just flew into the Trade Center.”

The SMS I received from my colleague was “A plane just hit the World Trade Center in NYC.”

My initial thought was a small plane, like a Cessna or something.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:39:04am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

You pretty much needed GetRight or another download manager if you wanted to download anything, and God forbid if the server didn’t support resuming a download.

I do sort of envy the younger millenials though. I would have been a much better student if I had grown up in a time with more computers. My handwriting is really bad. There’s this new pen I got for note taking on the job and it makes my life so much easier.

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:40:25am

I’m personally jealous of those my kids’ age. All of the stuff i could have learned from the internet as a kid!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:40:28am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

The SMS I received from my colleague was “A plane just hit the World Trade Center in NYC.”

My initial thought was a small plane, like a Cessna or something.

I remember seeing the footage on TV. I had just left Math class for world history class. I was the second one there and my first thought was “Huh must have been a drunk pilot.” We got dismissed early that day. I walked home as I always did and my grandparents were there. The thing my Dad remembers is he was listening to Howard Stern and he thought it was Howard and Robin talking about the 1993 bombing in 1993.

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BigPapa  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:42:49am

I was with family up in cabins in the mountain. Didn’t hear anything until Thursday AM.

Got home and was glued to the internet for hours.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:44:40am

re: #280 Targetpractice

“Participation trophies” are not something our generation created, we didn’t ask for the damned things and even we see them as a joke. They’re something that the yuppies and their Gen X offspring came up with…

Some of us caught a ton of heat for pushing back on that crap. Started with “insensitive to the needs of others” and had a middle ground of “you just don’t like kids do you?” and then got ugly from there. Heaven forbid you want to home/charter/private school your kids with solid academics and testing to keep them away from the academic tragedies “new math” or holding off on tests until 4th grade or “learning pods”. Late 1960’s-They used to send me home with pro teachers union voting guides for parents. That led to some interesting if private meetings between dad and teachers and principal.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:44:50am

re: #314 Timothy Watson

I like to tease younger millennials about MS-DOS and Windows 3.11. :)

I grew up with MS-DOS and then Win 3.11 on an old HP PC, but sadly today I sit stumped any time I have to do even the most basic tasks in DOS. Just telling kids about a command prompt would probably make their eyes glaze over.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:50:11am

re: #281 Unshaken Defiance

Just want to point out that among other difficulties of the time were- war, violent civil protests, inflation, then the next worst recession ever. That one swept out middle management like crazy. Savings and Loan crisis. And college was a very significant financial challenge, not as bad as now but still enough to bend the lives and lifestyle of parents and kids.

And no internet.

I would say, however, that the challenges Millennials face today really impact the transition to adulthood.

Compare college costs, for example - when I went to college in 1975, you could choose to go to a state university and the cost would be next to nothing. Private colleges, maybe 1/4 of median income. Today, the state university is closer to 2/5 of median income, and the same private colleges cost the same as median income.

Housing - when I arrived in California 35 yrs ago, my apartment cost $450/month. That SAME apartment is now $2400, which is over 2x as much, adjusted for inflation.

Speaking of inflation, yeah, it was bad, but largely incomes kept up with it, which is why inflation spiraled upwards.

The 1982 recession? Yeah, it was bad, but it was engineered by Volcker to kill the inflation of the 1970s. Once it was past, he cut interest rates and the economy roared back on pent-up demand, plus the demand caused by all the Boomers becoming adults. The 2009 Great Recession was a completely different animal, the result of a financial crisis, so that 8 years of near zero interest rates barely helped. Slow growth, stagnant wages.

Not that some things aren’t better, mind you. More understanding of things like depression, anxiety, bipolar, autistic spectrum, and much better drugs for those who need them. Better, healthier food. MUCH better beer! And while terrorism is nothing to sneeze at, we Boomers grew up with the expectation of a nuclear war that might end civilization. We did ‘Duck And Cover’ drills, people built shelters, and several times we came way closer to The End than anybody knew.

Oh, and crime. From the time I was born until The Younger Boy was born, crime rates - especially violent crime - was constantly increasing. The rate increased almost 5-fold in those 36 years. Ever since then, it’s been falling, almost as quickly. It’s about half what it was at the peak.

Anyway, every generation has its own challenges. The thing is, I think we Boomers lucked into an era where we got a great start into adulthood, while the Millennials seem to be getting the short end of that stick.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:50:20am

re: #280 Targetpractice

“Participation trophies” are not something our generation created, we didn’t ask for the damned things and even we see them as a joke. They’re something that the yuppies and their Gen X offspring came up with, the “helicopter parents” who didn’t want Junior to feel bad because he didn’t get a trophy at the end of the season. No offense to the parents in attendance, but a lot of the “you kids have it so easy” business came about because our parents lowered the bar. And a large part of the reason for that is because we’re increasingly becoming a nation of latch-key kids, parents working longer shifts or multiple jobs and having no time left in the day to be parents. That’s not something that’s gonna magically change with a voucher or a charter school, no matter how much conservatives may believe so.

I think some of the child psychologists and behaviorists of the 50s and 60s actually got that ball rolling as far as everyone has to feel good and never be left out.

And I am not a parent so I may be totally out to lunch, but I have always wondered if all the people that had children actually wanted to have children or felt it was the thing everyone did to be responsible citizens or to live within their religion’s dictates.

I saw some of that in my “boomer” generation. You did things because that is what you do and you did that because that is what everyone does.

Uh, hello…but to me that is not the reason to have children and the way to want to do it properly. You should really want to be a parent and that means a pretty good chance that you will be a good parent and have good happy kids.

Being unwanted to any degree comes out eventually and is revealed to the children and that I should think creates a lot of issues too. Unwanted can be as simple as one or both parents realizing parenting was not for them, or that they really do not like it and “only if things were different and I did what I wanted to do” instead of this boring life I hate. Kids see and feel that. It is not good for anyone.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:50:33am

re: #326 Targetpractice

I grew up with MS-DOS and then Win 3.11 on an old HP PC, but sadly today I sit stumped any time I have to do even the most basic tasks in DOS. Just telling kids about a command prompt would probably make their eyes glaze over.

My first PC was an IBM PS2. With a dot matrix printer and a color monitor.

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:57:16am

re: #286 Targetpractice

The Greatest Generation thought their kids were whiners because they didn’t live through the Great Depression and a world war.

The Boomers thought the Gen Xers were whiners because they didn’t have to worry about being draft to fight in Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, or Watergate.

And now the Gen Xers think Millenials are whiners because they don’t have to deal with Reaganomics, the Cold War, or a world without Internet.

Already, I’m looking at the kids today and thinking they’ve got it good because they have no idea what it was like before things like wifi, cellphones, and didn’t have to deal with the job market of the Great Recession.

Thus the Circle of Gripes keeps going.

The key here: you realize it.

That IS a good thing. Realization of problems always helps in finding ways to work out the problems. I think that is called “truths.” Truths are good. One of the reason why some other societies may have better lives is because they actually talk about those truths…the human condition.

In America? Ha. we don’t talk about anything real most of the time. Never get around to the truths very often and it shows.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 11:58:11am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

My first PC was an IBM PS2. With a dot matrix printer and a color monitor.

Oh yeah, I remember those. Monitors that weighed enough that you could put your back out moving them. And the simplicity today of just loading a stack of paper into a printer is infinitely better than the intricate dance of loading a ream of paper into a dot matrix printer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:01:39pm

jeebus, WTH is this? He has to retweet himself?
good grief

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:03:52pm

re: #328 ObserverArt

I think some of the child psychologists and behaviorists of the 50s and 60s actually got that ball rolling as far as everyone has to feel good and never be left out.

… but I have always wondered if all the people that had children actually wanted to have children or felt it was the thing everyone did to be responsible citizens or to live within their religion’s dictates.

I saw some of that in my “boomer” generation. You did things because that is what you do and you did that because that is what everyone does.

Uh, hello…but to me that is not the reason to have children and the way to want to do it properly. You should really want to be a parent and that means a pretty good chance that you will be a good parent and have good happy kids….

All agreement here. The popular print literature of the time was full of highly theoretical suggestions on child rearing. Dr. Spock was the best known, and far more credible than many.

My parenting was foster parenting so my take is different than most. I happen to count parenting as one of the things that should be a heartfelt calling. Not a selfish necessity “what about when I get old” or religious dictate short of the post holocaust. Or as a luxury trophy… that’s the worst to me. In our case we responded to a young lady teen running from a real serious domestic violence jam, the kind that ends badly in big cities like Los Angeles.

So many times we were looked down on as a married couple because we did not have kids of our own. “Well then why did you get married?” “oh can’t have kids?” Pretty rude question unless it’s someone really close right?

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:04:55pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

Just to put things in perspective: Most of us who lived through 9/11 first heard about it either from a friend or by flipping on the news. 15 years later, we get bombarded by breaking news like that on an almost constant basis via our cellphones. Even bog-standard cellphones now have apps for a dozen different news services that will bombard your with breaking news notices.

Heh. Over the past year it seems every news source is saying “breaking news” about everything. Some damn media studies somewhere must have said saying breaking news is a thing.

Like you said, we are bombarded with it…so after about 15 minutes none of it is really breaking news any longer, but hours later it is still breaking.

I have an idea for a Photoshop series playing off “breaking news”hyperventilation.

Problem is I have a list of ideas and I still like to do other things…and read and post here…

Time, I need more time! Sigh…don’t we all?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:07:11pm
336
CuriousLurker  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:09:47pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I do remember dial-up. Man I hated that. “GET OFF THE INTERNET, I HAVE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL!” Oh and of course how slow things downloaded. One thing I love about the present is how easy it is to access music. Even in those days, music wasn’t that easy to access. I still remember using Limewire and Kazaa and my computer getting messed up because of all the Spyware.

Napster. My son loved it and eventually started getting all kinds of spyware.

337
skylarkingtomfoolery  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:11:19pm

re: #304 darthstar

You really shouldn’t print the nuclear launch codes on this site.

338
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:11:59pm

re: #335 Charles Johnson

The question is whether randomly occurring genetic mutations can lead to more complex life forms. They can’t.

Why not? And please, show your work.

ETA: addressed to Fischer, who of course can’t answer, even if he were so inclined.

339
BigPapa  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:12:36pm
340
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:12:44pm

One of the frogs is smoking! Or is it walking a tadpole?

341
Charles Johnson  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:13:54pm
342
CuriousLurker  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:14:12pm

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

My first PC was an IBM PS2. With a dot matrix printer and a color monitor.

Oh man, the god-awful racket of dot matrix printers. 🙉

343
HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:14:51pm

re: #335 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

God I had forgotten about that old bigoted nutcase.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:15:07pm

re: #202 Scottishdragon

Nice pic of a T-34 tank.

actually, that looks more like a KV 1

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:15:22pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:15:39pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

Napster. My son loved it and eventually started getting all kinds of spyware.

I never actually used Napster. The thing outside the Spyware I remember most from programs like that was the mislabelling.

347
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:15:57pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

When someone has a link to Gab•ai in their Twitter profile, it’s like wearing a badge saying “PUT ME IN THE BASKET.”]

FTFY

348
ckkatz  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:16:43pm

re: #304 darthstar

Ouch! :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:18:40pm

re: #342 CuriousLurker

Oh man, the god-awful racket of dot matrix printers. 🙉

The worst were the big line printers that used that fanfold paper. They generally put them in a different room, because they were so fucking LOUD!!

*g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! chugchugchug g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! chugchugchug*

Lordy, waiting for a long sequence to print on those damned things!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:19:37pm

re: #347 wrenchwench

FTFY

“Get in the fookin’ sack!”

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ckkatz  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:22:24pm

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

actually, that looks more like a KV 1

That’s what I was thinking also. But, yes, the T-34 made a much bigger name in the world scheme of war than did the KV-1.

352
Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:24:45pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

I first heard about 9/11 from an email to a web developer mailing list. It said something like, “Wow, did you see that? A plane just flew into the Trade Center.”

I was on Jury Duty during the Oklahoma City bombing. Just entered the courthouse when the sheriff deputies told us Togo to the Jury Assembly room. All the judges were there along with their staffs watching CNN. The Sheriff had the courthouse swept twice to make sure it was secure.

9/11—I was walking to the Metro station listening to CBS when they said fire had broken out on one of the World Trade Center towers. I had a flashback to when the First Interstate tower in Los Angeles had a fire back in the mid 80s—Mom woke me with a phone call and she was in hysterics worried I was near it.

I got off the Metro started walking to the office and tuned into Howard and Robin and my heart sank. Had to deal with a bunch of calls from coworkers spouses concerned about any threats against our office. We were let out early. I walked 4 miles to home because I was afraid that a downtown tower would be targeted as well!

353
Interesting Times  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:25:55pm

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

The worst were the big line printers that used that fanfold paper. They generally put them in a different room, because they were so fucking LOUD!!

*g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! chugchugchug g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! g-ZEEEK! chugchugchug*

Lordy, waiting for a long sequence to print on those damned things!

Like this? :D

Old Dot Matrix Printer SOUND Effect

A true sadomasochist would make that their ringtone…

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:30:43pm

re: #353 Interesting Times

Geez. I have not heard that in ages. I am glad that technology has advanced quite a bit since then.

355
nines09  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:32:17pm

And in Florida Man news…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:34:21pm

re: #352 Joe Bacon

I was on first day of jury on 9/11.
Walked into the courthouse and one of the court clerks ran up to me crying and hugged me saying that her son had just called her to say that he had arrived safe in Los Angeles. I had no idea what what she was talking about until I got to the courtroom and the judge told us and dismissed us for the day.

357
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:37:01pm
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unproven innocence  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:38:19pm

re: #273 Timothy Watson

I get so pissed when I see entry-level jobs that require a B.S/M.S. with two years of experience.

My experiences with my state’s employment office were horrid. One job posting “wanted” any candidate to have 5 years experience with Windows. IIRC, it was about 1986 and version 1.0 was newish. “Job offerings” from most companies not only failed to identify the company, but even the state (or country).

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:38:42pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

“All Obama does is play golf! He’s totally avoiding the White House! How can we respect a president who doesn’t do his job?!”

It’s gonna be a long 4 years…

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BeachDem  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:44:24pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Oh well, he probably left them some coldcuts and Trump wine, so all will be well.
/
Spit. Vomit. Rinse. Repeat.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:45:31pm

re: #360 BeachDem

Oh well, he probably left them some coldcuts and Trump wine, so all will be well.
/
Spit. Vomit. Rinse. Repeat.

Did he leave them a couple bags of Lay’s chips, too?

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b.d.  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:48:32pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Trump ditches his press pool, again. Says he wants to use his own security detail instead of Secret Service, etc.

OK, how long until he gets busted for having an affair? Then what?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:49:49pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

364
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:52:45pm

re: #362 b.d.

Trump ditches his press pool, again. Says he wants to use his own security detail instead of Secret Service, etc.

OK, how long until he gets busted for having an affair? Then what?

his fans will love it.

365
b.d.  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:55:21pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

his fans will love it.

Then remind us how Clinton got impeached for “perjury”, not his affair. But when you point out Trump’s pattern of lying…

366
bws58  Dec 31, 2016 • 12:58:26pm

Hello Lizards

I am the other BWS and have actually been a member here for years, lurking, always lurking and reading.

I found LGF in the most circuitous way, I bought a Dale Earnhardt key chain from Charles on ebay a lifetime ago…that is where the BWS came from, my ebay buying ID is black_widow_sniper

I have made it my new year’s resolution to delurk and join as a refugee from the chaos

367
PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:00:17pm

re: #366 bws58

And you will be very welcome to join us. :)

368
Shiplord Kirel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:01:34pm

Utterly classic, the XP-86 with Pearl Harbor hero George Welch at the controls circa 1948:

Facebook Post

One of the the least likely-seeming episodes in the movie Pearl Harbor (a couple of guys leave an all-night party, jump in their P-40s and shoot down a bunch of Japanese planes) actually happened.
The pilots were Welch and his friend Ken Taylor. Together, they claimed 7 kills against Japanese aircraft, of which 5 are confirmed. That is, they accounted for 15-20% of Japanese losses during the attack. George Welch was killed in a crash in 1954. He was 36. Ken Taylor lived on into the 21st century, dying of natural causes at age 86 in 2007.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:01:44pm

The President is allowed to ditch the press pool at times if he wants isn’t he?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:02:04pm

re: #366 bws58

get off mah lawn, young’un!

j/k…welcome.

You did bring beer, right?

371
ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:03:20pm

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim.

Just remembered to ask…how is your wife doing after the unfortunate car accident?

372
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:03:22pm

re: #366 bws58

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aw, crap. Now we have to talk nice about you.

///

Welcome aboard. Coffee and pie are on the sideboard to the left. Barbecued gamey troll buttocks is on the table. Newbie buys the first round.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:04:11pm

re: #371 ObserverArt

Just remembered to ask…how is your wife doing after the unfortunate car accident?

She’s healing well, but the neck brace is driving her absolutely batty (or, well, more crazy than usual). Another month to go.

375
bws58  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:04:34pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hardly a youngun…and hell no to the beer
Jägermeister for all

376
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:04:50pm

re: #375 bws58

Hardly a youngun…and hell no to the beer
Jägermeister for all

I like your style. We might have to keep this one.

377
b.d.  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:05:15pm

re: #369 Eclectic Cyborg

The President is allowed to ditch the press pool at times if he wants isn’t he?

Not if you ask the press pool. Trump could nuke Azerbaijan and the press would shrug but they get quite pissy over being ditched.

378
ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:05:23pm

re: #366 bws58

Hello Lizards

I am the other BWS and have actually been a member here for years, lurking, always lurking and reading.

I found LGF in the most circuitous way, I bought a Dale Earnhardt key chain from Charles on ebay a lifetime ago…that is where the BWS came from, my ebay buying ID is black_widow_sniper

I have made it my new year’s resolution to delurk and join as a refugee from the chaos

I would love to know why Charles had and was selling a Dale Earnhardt key chain???

379
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:06:40pm

re: #375 bws58

Hardly a youngun…and hell no to the beer
Jägermeister for all

Would ‘58 happen to be your birth year?

I found my 1958 penny when the clerk at the fudge store across the street gave it back to me and accepted another.

380
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:07:03pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

Would ‘58 happen to be your birth year?

I found my 1958 penny when the clerk at the fudge store across the street gave it back to me and accepted another.

Great year, 1958. (It’s my father’s birth year.)

381
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:08:31pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Great year, 1958. (It’s my father’s birth year.)

Shut up, kid. My birthday (dad will tell you which one) is in two weeks.

382
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:08:40pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Great year, 1958. (It’s my father’s birth year.)

Wow. You’re a fair bit younger than I thought.

383
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:09:26pm

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. You’re a fair bit younger than I thought.

He just smells old.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:10:02pm

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. You’re a fair bit younger than I thought.

That surprises me, actually. I know most people say I act old for my age, and it probably comes out more online than in person.

385
bws58  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:10:25pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

yes I am ‘58 almost not a boomer but not a gen x either

386
Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:11:17pm

re: #362 b.d.

Trump ditches his press pool, again. Says he wants to use his own security detail instead of Secret Service, etc.

OK, how long until he gets busted for having an affair? Then what?

Nothing.

The Republicans in Congress are too busy investigating Hillary’s e-mails for the 50th time. And the Press is only interested in Democrats who do the Wild Thing on the side…

387
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:11:47pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

Shut up, kid. My birthday (dad will tell you which one) is in two weeks.

My in-laws turn 75 this year. And yet, Mrs. Fish is still three years younger than I am.

388
Shiplord Kirel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:12:16pm

I seem older than dirt sometimes, at least to myself. I realized today though that Kirk Douglas, still very much with us, was as old as I am now (67) back in 1983.
If you make a hundred, it means you have been an old person for a hell of a long time.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:14:10pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Great year, 1958. (It’s my father’s birth year.)

Oh, I go back further to 1956…Still remember when we got my grandparent’s TV when they moved to California in 1959. Before that, we just had a radio in the house…

390
Shiplord Kirel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:15:31pm

I’ll turn a hundred in 2049, which seems impossibly far away but really isn’t. With any luck, Charles and the other old timers and I can come here and reminisce about helping put the fascist threat out of business early in the century.

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wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:15:45pm

re: #388 Shiplord Kirel

I seem older than dirt sometimes, at least to myself. I realized today though that Kirk Douglas, still very much with us, was as old as I am now (67) back in 1983.

Volcanoes make new dirt. Even Kirk Douglas couldn’t make a new Kirk Douglas.

392
BigPapa  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:17:12pm
393
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:19:53pm
394
BeachDem  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:20:03pm

re: #390 Shiplord Kirel

I’ll turn a hundred in 2049, which seems impossibly far away but really isn’t. With any luck, Charles and the other old timers and I can come here and reminisce about helping put the fascist threat out of business early in the century.

Well when you put it THAT way—I’m a year ahead (would turn 100 in 2048) but can’t even imagine it—they don’t usually live that long in my family. I do remember being a teenager, thinking that I’d be 52 at the millennium and wondering what it was going to be like to be that OLD, if I even survived till 2000. Good times!

395
retired cynic  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:21:06pm

re: #394 BeachDem

Well when you put it THAT way—I’m a year ahead (would turn 100 in 2048) but can’t even imagine it—they don’t usually live that long in my family. I do remember being a teenager, thinking that I’d be 52 at the millennium and wondering what it was going to be like to be that OLD, if I even survived till 2000. Good times!

Thee and me, 2048.

396
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:21:36pm

re: #394 BeachDem

My family has some weird tendencies. We have some long-lived members… but the ones who died younger died from crazy diseases (2 from pancreatic cancer, which got some raised eyebrows at the doctor’s office a couple of years back).

397
bws58  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:22:24pm

I have one procedural question regarding the updings

When and why do you do them? I used to be a regular on Dkos, and mojo was like a drug over there

398
BeachDem  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:22:35pm

re: #395 retired cynic

Thee and me, 2048.

1948—it was a very good year…

399
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:23:30pm

re: #397 bws58

I have one procedural question regarding the updings

When and why do you do them? I used to be a regular on Dkos, and mojo was like a drug over there

I upding liberally, and I downding sparingly - generally only when people are being deliberately obnoxious or trolling. Most people aren’t paranoid about their own karma here, though occasionally you do get called out if you go about dinging without commenting. To each their own.

400
De Kolta Chair  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:23:33pm
401
ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:24:02pm

Sportsgeeks out there…I am so stoked for The Columbus Blue Jackets NHL team. Today they play a historic game in the world of pro sports not just professional hockey.

They play the Minnesota Wild this evening in Minnesota. The Blue Jackets are on a 14 game winning streak. The Wild are on a 12 game streak. It is my understanding that is more or less an unprecedented match-up of teams on winning streaks like these two.

Sure, I’d love to see the Blue Jackets continue their winning ways and stay atop hockey standings, but I am just glad the team gets to represent the city in a game like this.

What a turnaround for a team that has struggled as an NHL franchise newbie in 2000.

I also understands a B1G college team from just north of downtown Columbus is playing a game tonight too.

Amazing for the central Ohio sports team fans. Local bars and sports restaurants and the like are having a great weekend of business. I was at a brewpub smokehouse last night with my guitar jamming buddy and the place was buzzing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:24:59pm

re: #400 De Kolta Chair

[Embedded content]

GET…ON…MY…PLANE!!

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BeachDem  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:25:04pm

re: #396 thedopefishlives

My family has some weird tendencies. We have some long-lived members… but the ones who died younger died from crazy diseases (2 from pancreatic cancer, which got some raised eyebrows at the doctor’s office a couple of years back).

Had some grandparents who made it to their 80s, but both my parents died in their 60s and all but one of their siblings in their 20s (plane crash) and 40s.

404
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:25:59pm

re: #401 ObserverArt

It should be an amazing sportspuck game. I might even pay some attention, and I am hardly a major sportspuck fan.

405
blueraven  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:26:35pm

re: #397 bws58

I have one procedural question regarding the updings

When and why do you do them? I used to be a regular on Dkos, and mojo was like a drug over there

I dont think there is a definitive rule. I use them when I really like a post even if I might disagree with sentiment. If latter, I will usually respond.

Also, depends if I am actively participating or mostly lurking.
Also, mood.

406
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:26:50pm

Right on cue, a new thread appears.

407
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:27:25pm

re: #399 thedopefishlives

I upding liberally, and I downding sparingly - generally only when people are being deliberately obnoxious or trolling. Most people aren’t paranoid about their own karma here, though occasionally you do get called out if you go about dinging without commenting. To each their own.

Updings without commenting are never a problem (I miss SteelPH).

408
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:28:11pm

Geez, I’d say ‘Where did all these Olds come from?’, if I weren’t an Old myself!

I remember Mom and Dad having a conversation when they were about 5 years younger than I am now, about what constitutes “middle aged”. Dad said, “I thought middle aged is 10 years older than we are.”

Mom replied, “Bob, ten years older than we are is OLD.”

I’m halfway between where they were, and Old.

409
PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:28:25pm

re: #407 wrenchwench

I miss Steel too.

410
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:28:41pm

re: #406 thedopefishlives

Right on cue, a new thread appears.

What, did CL write a long treatise?

411
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:29:01pm

re: #407 wrenchwench

Updings without commenting are never a problem (I miss SteelPH).

Do we know what happened, or did the updings just stop dinging one day?

412
blueraven  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:29:02pm

re: #409 PhillyPretzel

I miss Steel too.

what happened?

413
thedopefishlives  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:29:53pm

re: #410 Blind Frog Belly White

What, did CL write a long treatise?

I swear, Charles must have a PHP script that looks for a specific user ID and a comment length over X number of characters before posting the next scheduled article.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:30:50pm

re: #412 blueraven

Wrench knows the story better than I do.

415
wrenchwench  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:31:11pm

re: #412 blueraven

what happened?

He appears on Twitter a little bit. I think it’s a break of a temporary nature (I hope.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:31:13pm

You know, when you clean your glasses, suddenly that faint smudge that you wouldn’t have noticed becomes glaringly obvious.

Oh, and you realize that a lot of the stuff you thought was on your glasses are just floaters in your vitreous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:31:50pm

re: #411 thedopefishlives

Do we know what happened, or did the updings just stop dinging one day?

Is that like the day the music died?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:32:34pm

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that like the day the music died?

Did anyone sing dirges in the dark?

419
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:33:27pm

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

Did anyone sing dirges in the dark?

I dunno…I was over at the levee…

420
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:33:55pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

I dunno…I was over at the levee…

How’d you get there?

421
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:34:53pm

re: #420 Blind Frog Belly White

How’d you get there?

mah Chevy

1947 Chevy Fleetmaster
422
CleverToad  Dec 31, 2016 • 1:42:38pm

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

Geez, I’d say ‘Where did all these Olds come from?’, if I weren’t an Old myself!

I remember Mom and Dad having a conversation when they were about 5 years younger than I am now, about what constitutes “middle aged”. Dad said, “I thought middle aged is 10 years older than we are.”

Mom replied, “Bob, ten years older than we are is OLD.”

I’m halfway between where they were, and Old.

My mother used to talk about the little old ladies in her quilting group — she was in her 70’s, they were in their 80’s and 90’s. She said at the time that ‘old’ is ten years older than you are, wherever that happens to be. (Now she’s 92, she admits she is ‘old’, when she’s not boasting about it.)

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CuriousLurker  Dec 31, 2016 • 2:06:22pm

re: #399 thedopefishlives

I upding liberally, and I downding sparingly - generally only when people are being deliberately obnoxious or trolling. Most people aren’t paranoid about their own karma here, though occasionally you do get called out if you go about dinging without commenting. To each their own.

Seconded.

424
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 31, 2016 • 2:20:57pm

re: #290 Timothy Watson

I hope when I have kids, I don’t go around badmouthing because they didn’t have to watch two airplanes destroy two skyscrapers when they were 13 or 14.

I read some story about a OB/GYN delivering a baby girl, and when the delivery happend she said: “Here’s your future teenage daughter.” Immediately after that, the OB/GYN took a call from HER teenage daugher and got into some argument…..

425
Honey Punch!  Dec 31, 2016 • 6:30:35pm

re: #280 Targetpractice

“Participation trophies” are not something our generation created, we didn’t ask for the damned things and even we see them as a joke. They’re something that the yuppies and their Gen X offspring came up with, the “helicopter parents” who didn’t want Junior to feel bad because he didn’t get a trophy at the end of the season. No offense to the parents in attendance, but a lot of the “you kids have it so easy” business came about because our parents lowered the bar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:40:04am

re: #351 ckkatz

That’s what I was thinking also. But, yes, the T-34 made a much bigger name in the world scheme of war than did the KV-1.

Yes, KV-1 made a big impression on the Germans at the start of the war as none of their tanks could penetrate its thick armor. But it was soon outdated by improved anti-tank weapons, while the T-34 remained an as outstanding medium tank to the end of the war and beyond.


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Tomorrow - Jimmy Wahlsteen, Vincent VegaProvided to YouTube by Epidemic Sound Tomorrow · Jimmy Wahlsteen · Vincent Vega Epidemic Presents: Crates (M. Bison Edition) ℗ Epidemic Sound Released on: 2020-03-13 Producer: Kasper LindgrenComposer: Jimmy Wahlsteen Auto-generated by YouTube.
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210221The waterfall bilge pump died three weeks ago.We're trying something new.Saturday we test installed two tiny aquarium pumps to get the waterfall going again.These pumps are very small but are designed to run all the time. Bilge pumps aren't. Though ...
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The Staves - Best Friend [Live at Lafayette] The Staves - Best Friend [Live at Lafayette] Our new album 'Good Woman' is out now: lnk.to Follow The Staves:Facebook thestaves.lnk.toTwitter thestaves.lnk.toInstagram thestaves.lnk.to YouTube thestaves.lnk.toSpotify thestaves.lnk.toiTunes thestaves.lnk.to When I could be anythingThat I wanted OhWe could be better thanBetter ...
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Sting - Shape of My Heart (Official Music Video)REMASTERED IN HD!Official Video For Sting's "Shape Of My Heart".#Sting #ShapeOfMyHeart #Remastered
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Amy Macdonald - Statues (Single Mix) (Official Audio) One of Amy's best features is that she doesn't "Americanize" her singing voice, something too many UK performers do. The Official Audio for Statues (Single Mix) by Amy Macdonald, taken from the new album 'The Human Demands'. Listen now: ...
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KALEO - Break My Baby (LIVE From Þrídrangar, Iceland) Break My Baby - Live from Þrídrangar - Iceland Music and Lyrics by JJ Julius Son Stream/Download: kaleo.lnk.to Þrídrangar means “three rock pillars” and is located 4.5 miles from Iceland's south coast. In 1939, three of Westman Islands' best ...
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Lake Street Dive - Hypotheticals [From Phantom Studios] Video Directed + Produced by Alex Chaloff for Bucket's Moving CompanyRecorded at Phantom Studios, Gallatin TN"Hypotheticals" from the upcoming Lake Street Dive album ObviouslyOut March 12th on Nonesuch RecordsPre-Order Obviously NOW: smarturl.it Produced by Mike ElizondoRachael Price: vocalsMike “McDuck” ...
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Jon Batiste - CRY (Lyric Video) Listen to “CRY” and order my album ‘WE ARE’: jon-batiste.lnk.to Shop merch: jonbatistestore.com Follow Jon:Instagram: jon-batiste.lnk.toFacebook: jon-batiste.lnk.toTwitter: jon-batiste.lnk.toSpotify: jon-batiste.lnk.to Apple Music: jon-batiste.lnk.toAmazon: jon-batiste.lnk.toSoundcloud: jon-batiste.lnk.toPandora: jon-batiste.lnk.toYouTube Music: jon-batiste.lnk.to Official Website: jonbatiste.com Video Credits:Director: Charles ToddDirector of Photography: Ben CareyProducer: Brian ...
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Robert Fripp & Peter Gabriel - Here Comes the Flood (1979) [RV VERSION] Robert Fripp & Peter Gabriel - Here Comes The Flood (1979) [RV VERSION] #Peter gabriel robert fripp here comes the flood#Robert fripp peter gabriel flood#robert fripp peter gabriel flood#gabriel fripp here comes the floodhere comes the flood#Fripp#Peter#Gabriel#robert fripp#King crimson ...
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