Monkeys vs. Humans on the Rock of Gibraltar: “Territory”

Primates battle for dominance
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The rock of Gibraltar is shared between two primate species: people and monkeys. The monkeys populated the upper rock long before the latest human inhabitants, the British, arrived, and now, 300 years on, there are tensions between the two. Attempts to expel the monkeys from the town with peashooters are in vain, as the animals rise to the challenges of the new game. This leads the government to resort to more drastic tactics.

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247 comments

1
Joe Bacon  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:28:07pm

Charles, I’m on my Mac Book Air using Safari and seeing a black screen that says, “OOPS! The embed code for this video is not valid”…

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:29:47pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

I’m getting that on Firefox on Linux.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:35:49pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

Me too. I will admit I have seen the monkeys of Gibraltar on PBS. I believe it was on an episode of Rick Steves’ Europe. The monkeys liked the apples Rick had in his knapsack.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:38:31pm

Because of Brexit, the monkeys may be Spain’s problem before long.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:39:44pm

My money is on the monkies.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 1, 2017 • 6:55:15pm

Now I can see it! Thanks, Charles!

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:04:03pm

Looks to be a global conflict shaping up.

India has long been targeted:
Invasion of killer monkeys that bite 400 people a month in Indian city An attempt to gain control of Indian nukes at an early date?

Brazil has not escaped either:
Marauding Gangs of Monkeys Invade Rio de Janeiro

Furious George: Brazilian Monkey Gets Drunk, Chases Bar Patrons With Knife (Video)

Not sure what’s happening but stock up on guns, ammo, and bananas just in case.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:05:52pm

Epic thread.

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nines09  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:09:01pm

nevermind…….

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:14:40pm

re: #9 nines09

That clip is ruined for me by poor sound design. The sound of the chimp’s AK is from the SAW in the old Delta Force video game, and it’s too quiet.

/RUINED I say. RUINED

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nines09  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:18:44pm

re: #10 Pawn of the Oppressor

I was fooled….

ah….poop…Check thrice……post slow….

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whitebeach  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:25:25pm

In The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, the brilliantly conceived heroine Lisbeth Salander, having cyberstolen about a quarter of a billion dollars from a creep she later exposes to murder by mobsters, goes to Gibraltar to find someone to protect and increase her fortune. But first, having been there before, she climbs to where the “Barbary apes” (actually macaques, a species of monkey) trail along beside the tourists. When a large male comes near, she says, “Hello, friend, I’m back” and places some fruit along a rock wall. “Breakfast,” she says, and the monkey, after baring its teeth, picks up the fruit and contentedly eats.

This may seem unremarkable, but nowhere else in this long and great (albeit grossly misinformed about such American phenomena as hurricanes) trilogy does Salander ever call anyone else “friend.”

OK, I don’t explain so well. Read it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:27:12pm

There are macaques in the Zhangjiajie National Forest Park about two hours from here. They also live in the mountains, but come down in search of free food from the many tourists. They’ve come to associate plastic grocery bags with food, and will run at tourists and try to grab the bags from them. So, if you’re carrying food, it’s safer to put it in a handbag or backpack.

The macaques don’t usually bite, but they’re aggressive enough to be a nuisance. That tourists feed the critters despite warnings not to compounds the problem. The monkeys no longer fear people.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:29:10pm

re: #11 nines09

I’ve read that it was a viral promo clip for one of the Planet of The Apes remakes. It’s definitely bogus (or created, if you prefer) but IMO it’s really well done right up until chimpy starts shooting.

Here’s a clip of somebody in Delta Force 2 with the SAW. DF1’s sound was a bit flatter and tinny, like in the vid. An AK fired ten feet away would be deafening, not sound like a suppressed nail gun.

I’m only this pedantic because I loved the clip otherwise. So close to being totally great!

Delta Force 2: Don’t F* With My M249

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:38:55pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:39:50pm

Man… Poking around looking for related videos and I perhaps inevitably ended up at Funker350. Army fellow in Afghanistan throws what sounds like his entire ammo load downrange at 4:40. A real SAW is proper loud. And his Sargeant chastised him for the burnup…

(Edit: Should mention, no Allied personnel get hurt in this video.)

M249 SAW GUNNER FIREFIGHT | FUNKER530

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William Lewis  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:41:24pm

Another great cover by Steve N Seagulls…

Self Esteem by Steve’n’Seagulls (LIVE)

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:41:40pm

re: #15 Ace-o-aces

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Not enough people cared if he was gone.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:42:43pm

re: #12 whitebeach

Lisbeth is a fictional example of a psychologically damaged person. Given her childhood and adolescence, who could blame her for not trusting people?

I love that trilogy, partly because it’s set in Sweden and it reminds me of my visit there almost 40 years ago. But you’re right about the hurricane bit. Larsson was a superb writer, but he botched that detail.

A literary critic recently examined whether the books had spawned the spate of new novels with titles beginning with “The Girl ….” or having “girl” in the title. About 810 novels with “girl” in the title are in fact about young women or older women, not children or adolescents. Male authors are three times more likely than female authors to kill off or “disappear” the titular character, though most characters survive to the conclusion of the novel or series.

fivethirtyeight.com

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:48:57pm

re: #17 William Lewis

Another great cover by Steve N Seagulls…

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Video

I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that these guys are Finns, and not Americans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:49:48pm

RE-elected? Oh fuck me.

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William Lewis  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:50:22pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

Man… Poking around looking for related videos and I perhaps inevitably ended up at Funker350. Army fellow in Afghanistan throws what sounds like his entire ammo load downrange at 4:40. A real SAW is proper loud. And his Sargeant chastised him for the burnup…

[Embedded content]

One of the few good things about having to do Infantry school as a reclassing spec 4 was doing the MG ranges again. The SAW was a hoot and the M240 is so much better than the M60 pig.

Ever watch Forgotten Weapons or Inrange TV?

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:52:14pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

RE-elected? Oh fuck me.

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We have a lot of work to do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2017 • 7:59:01pm

The Portrait of Dorianne Conwey

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:01:31pm

re: #22 William Lewis

Haven’t seen them, but I haven’t watched cable TV in years. I did get to walk around with an M60 at an open house in Ft. Devens almost 30 years ago, I was maybe 9 or 10 and that was back when the Army would let kids handle weapons at public events. :D That thing really was a “pig”, but I could sling it OK. Shooting it for real might have knocked me over. The young guy running the display didn’t seem to care that I hogged it for a while & didn’t let the other kids carry it.

I have a former co-worker, 5-foot-nothing blonde girl, who was made an M240B gunner in the Army. I think they give the biggest gun to the smallest person on purpose.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:11:22pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:12:15pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:14:17pm
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Moebym  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:20:25pm

re: #26 Ace-o-aces

When I first saw this headline, I felt my face flush with embarrassment at the fact that America elected this man President.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:27:06pm

re: #29 Moebym

When I first saw this headline, I felt my face flush with embarrassment at the fact that America elected this man President.

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

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whitebeach  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:27:26pm
A literary critic recently examined whether the books had spawned the spate of new novels with titles beginning with “The Girl” or having “girl” in the title. About 810 novels with “girl” in the title are in fact about young women or older women, not children or adolescents. Male authors are three times more likely than female authors to kill off or “disappear” the titular character, though most characters survive to the conclusion of the novel or series.

Well, golly, this is hardly anything new. The “girl” usage for any female up into her thirties has been around forever. I don’t think Stieg Larsson had much to do with it. For instance, it immediately leaps to mind that the great John D. MacDonald, in his classic Travis McGee novels, the titles of which always included a color, thought this way (The Girl in the Plain Brown Wrapper is a good indication). And that was back in the sixties. See also Sam Spade and many others from way the hell back when. And yeah, many of these women ended up dead. Why? I dunno. Ask Shakespeare about Juliet and Ophelia. Apparently it sells.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:31:12pm

re: #31 whitebeach

Well, golly, this is hardly anything new. The “girl” usage for any female up into her thirties has been around forever. I don’t think Stieg Larsson had much to do with it. For instance, it immediately leaps to mind that the great John D. MacDonald, in his classic Travis McGee novels, the titles of which always included a color, thought this way (The Girl in the Plain Brown Wrapper is a good indication). And that was back in the sixties. See also Sam Spade and many others from way the hell back when. And yeah, many of these women ended up dead. Why? I dunno. Ask Shakespeare about Juliet and Ophelia. Apparently it sells.

Here in China, “girl” refers to anyone not married. I had to recalibrate my English usage, because calling an American college student a girl can lead to trouble. (Especially if he isn’t one - lol!)

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Anymouse  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:32:43pm

re: #3 PhillyPretzel

Me too. I will admit I have seen the monkeys of Gibraltar on PBS. I believe it was on an episode of Rick Steves’ Europe. The monkeys liked the apples Rick had in his knapsack.

I have seen the monkeys of Gibraltar in Gibraltar. (That comes from being stationed in Rota.)

The city warns tourists that Gibraltar rock apes will pretty much grab anything that isn’t tied to your body.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:49:54pm

re: #27 Ace-o-aces

“Good news for job creators…but fuck all you workers.”

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electrotek  Jan 1, 2017 • 8:53:45pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:03:57pm

re: #35 electrotek

As I understood it, Ataturk wanted to modernize Turkey by secularizing the government, to remove the overly conservative religious elements. He didn’t try to secularize the entire country, which would have undoubtedly led to his early demise.

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BeachDem  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:04:02pm

Just to go back to the idiotic WSJ crap about how we shouldn’t say Trump LIES—after the asshat went on and on about it, he then ended his segment with this YUUUGE whopper:

I think people say, “Well, you know what? Hillary Clinton said a lot of things that were false.” I don’t recall the press being quite so concerned about saying that she lied in headlines or in stories like that.

And, of course we’ve discussed ad nauseum how many times and ways the media called Hillary a liar throughout the campaign.

And Chuck Todd just moseyed right along…

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Anymouse  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:10:42pm

Kansas Governor Sam Brownback’s (R) administration is seeking ways to plug a $350M budget shortfall in this fiscal year, which ends June 30.

Ideas the Republicans are floating include raiding the state long-term investment fund of its $300M, imposing a flat 5% income tax (which would have the effect of doubling the taxes of anyone under $30,000 a year income), raiding the tobacco settlement fund (which is supposed to go to childhood education programmes), or cutting K-12 education statewide.

kansas.com

This will not fix the even bigger projected shortfall for next fiscal year beginning July 1.

Some Republicans are baulking at the idea; the state budget director likens taking the money from the investment fund to a “payday loan.”

What’s not on the table: restoring the corporate and wealthy tax cuts - one can only fail conservatism, one cannot be failed by it. If tax cuts on the wealthy and business are not enough, then further harm to the lower middle class and poor is required.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:12:15pm

re: #15 Ace-o-aces

Don’t forget that Larry King has a daily show on RT……

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:20:29pm

re: #38 Anymouse

Maybe Hair Furor can get them a good interest rate at sone of the Russian banks?

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Anymouse  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:30:55pm

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe Hair Furor can get them a good interest rate at sone of the Russian banks?

Well, we sit up here in Nebraska, watching how the state of Kansas is destroying its economy (and a number of businesses are moving here). Nebraska has a front-seat lesson to what happens when you try to cut your way to prosperity.

While there is grumbling here about property taxes (Nebraska is seventh-highest, and I had to cough up a good chunk of money the other day when I went to town), the state is more interested in staying solvent.

How High Are Property Taxes in Your State? (goes to the Tax Foundation)

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BeachDem  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:45:01pm

Let’s just say that Hunter is a wee bit annoyed at the angst of the media and the Republicans about some possible delays in confirming the yam’s cabinet picks.

dailykos.com
The whole piece is a gem, but my favorite parts are:

Oh, the horror. Oh, the lack of comity. Oh, the mere thought that some of these unqualified millionaires and billionaires appointed to, most observers can agree, weaken and/or gut the government agencies they are being appointed to may have to wait until March to possibly be crooked or possibly not be crooked. How will the republic survive. Truly, this is the biggest test of our democracy we have faced since at least last Tuesday…

The current president was denied, for reasons having nothing at all to do with his non-whiteness or the devolution of the Republican Party into a Constitution-punching you lie-shouting Jade Helm-believing-in secret-Muslim-secret-not-a-citizen-secretly-in-league-with-communists-suspecting pack of shrieking howler monkeys, the constitutionally mandated duty of filling a Supreme Court vacancy—to say nothing of countless other vacancies up and down the federal courts and elsewhere in government—because the Republican senators didn’t feel like it.

Now the signal fires are being lit because a collection of people worth billions of dollars who don’t feel like filling out paperwork may have to wait until March to get their names stenciled on their parking spaces?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 1, 2017 • 9:47:12pm
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Joe Bacon  Jan 1, 2017 • 10:17:06pm

re: #37 BeachDem

Just to go back to the idiotic WSJ crap about how we shouldn’t say Trump LIES—after the asshat went on and on about it, he then ended his segment with this YUUUGE whopper:

I think people say, “Well, you know what? Hillary Clinton said a lot of things that were false.” I don’t recall the press being quite so concerned about saying that she lied in headlines or in stories like that.

And, of course we’ve discussed ad nauseum how many times and ways the media called Hillary a liar throughout the campaign.

And Chuck Todd just moseyed right along…

Yet another reason to permanently ignore Press the Meat!

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Joe Bacon  Jan 1, 2017 • 10:19:26pm

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Interesting Times  Jan 1, 2017 • 10:19:46pm

In which 3 tweets contain far more useful and accurate insight than all the MSM:

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 1, 2017 • 10:47:44pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

The Portrait of Dorianne Conwey

Actually, the one on the right is funny… the one on the left is downright scary.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 1, 2017 • 10:51:45pm

re: #46 Interesting Times

Case in point: the Chinese constitution, which guarantees equal rights, freedom of expression, etc., but which the government routinely ignores in dealing with dissenters or anyone who questions how the Party does things.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 1, 2017 • 11:17:15pm

re: #38 Anymouse

Brownback’s ‘solutions’ are to rob the investment savings of the state, cash out a court settlement and then frost his shit cake with a regressive 5% flat tax. I’m sure that the people in Kansas who voted for him will be getting exactly what they deserve…

it’s everyone else in Kansas who has my sympathy and best wishes.

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Alyosha  Jan 1, 2017 • 11:21:09pm

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Case in point: the Chinese constitution, which guarantees equal rights, freedom of expression, etc., but which the government routinely ignores in dealing with dissenters or anyone who questions how the Party does things.

‘Let a thousand schools of thought contend, let a good 99 percent of them perish!’

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Alyosha  Jan 2, 2017 • 1:25:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 2:05:30am

re: #36 wheat-dogg

As I understood it, Ataturk wanted to modernize Turkey by secularizing the government, to remove the overly conservative religious elements. He didn’t try to secularize the entire country, which would have undoubtedly led to his early demise.

Too much nuance. We deal only with superficial images and 140-character talking points.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 2, 2017 • 2:44:27am

re: #51 Alyosha

Byron York is just one of many conservative ball washers of low intellect so that’s to be expected.

He’ll be busy polishing his Emperor’s balls for the next four years.

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Anymouse  Jan 2, 2017 • 2:50:04am

re: #29 Moebym

When I first saw this headline, I felt my face flush with embarrassment at the fact that America elected this man President.

“President Trump announced on Twitter today that by presidential executive order, the definition of an inch as 2.54cm has been changed to 1.0 cm.”

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 3:55:26am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Too much nuance. We deal only with superficial images and 140-character talking points.

Ah. My bad. I need to remember to think in Trumpista mode, not thinking, conscious person mode.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 3:56:16am

re: #55 wheat-dogg

Ah. My bad. I need to remember to think in Trumpista mode, not thinking, conscious person mode.

We will soon learn to adapt to it or suffer.

/

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 3:57:34am

I just returned from our college’s annual New Year dinner, and I’ve discovered my tolerance for alcohol has dropped significantly. Currently tipsy. Some additional application of brandy may ameliorate the situation. Or worsen it. Whatevs.

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Anymouse  Jan 2, 2017 • 4:13:03am

re: #57 wheat-dogg

I just returned from our college’s annual New Year dinner, and I’ve discovered my tolerance for alcohol has dropped significantly. Currently tipsy. Some additional application of brandy may ameliorate the situation. Or worsen it. Whatevs.

I am terribly sorry to hear that. My tolerance has never been very high due to my slight frame, and since I started on my epilepsy medications in 1995 has dropped even lower. I can commiserate with your predicament.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 4:15:27am

re: #58 Anymouse

I am terribly sorry to hear that. My tolerance has never been very high due to my slight frame, and since I started on my epilepsy medications in 1995 has dropped even lower. I can commiserate with your predicament.

I just don’t like the stuff. Beer makes me feel bloated, wine gives me a sour stomach. I occasionally drink clear alcohol as shots or a cocktail (I actually had three whole black Russians for New Year’s), but can generally get by without it just fine.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 5:13:46am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just don’t like the stuff. Beer makes me feel bloated, wine gives me a sour stomach. I occasionally drink clear alcohol as shots or a cocktail (I actually had three whole black Russians for New Year’s), but can generally get by without it just fine.

The options for dinner was baijiu (Chinese firewater) or beer. I chose beer, because the baijiu is murder on my stomach — and my head. I prefer wine now, but no one else was interested in sharing a bottle. Four people - two drinkers.

TBH, my desire to drink alcohol has waned considerably over the last few years. I can go weeks without a beer or a glass of wine, and be just fine about it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2017 • 5:28:16am

re: #38 Anymouse
Yet the good people of Kansas keep voting for Republicans. Let them suffer.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2017 • 5:31:50am

re: #51 Alyosha

What’s good for the goose …

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 5:45:46am

re: #51 Alyosha

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Hey now, no focusing on the shit that’s been going on the last 8 years. We’re supposed to follow the shining example of Herr Hairpiece, which is to onward to “bigger and better things.”

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jeffreyw  Jan 2, 2017 • 5:55:31am

Imgur


Good morning!

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:06:10am

talkingpointsmemo.com

Trump Struggling To Pay Salaries

We’re all almost tired of winning, the Trump Transition has been going so well. But one of his top congressional supporters says the Transition is actually struggling to pay salaries. Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) told a Buffalo area radio station: “Mr. Trump held a fundraiser down in New York City a few weeks back and did raise some money, but they have - I would use the word - ‘struggled’ to raise the private funds needed to pay these individuals who are working on behalf of the taxpayers but not being paid by the government.”

Sure he’s a billionaire.

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John Carter  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:11:33am

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Yet the good people of Kansas keep voting for Republicans. Let them suffer.

Which makes me wonder if they are a microcosm of the entire country in 4 years.

We have work to do reaching these people and step one is stop laughing at them and Donald Trump.

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:18:18am

re: #66 John Carter

Which makes me wonder if they are a microcosm of the entire country in 4 years.

We have work to do reaching these people and step one is stop laughing at them and Donald Trump.

Who’s laughing? But as a non-Kansan, at some level I’m not obligated to stop them if they’re that much into governmental sadomasochism.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:25:37am

Time to rerun my occasional reminder:

when I was a child, liberal activists were ACTIVE. They were organized, they were extremely public, they were INSISTENT and PUBLIC and REPETITIVE and, again, REALLY GODDAMN ACTIVE.

It took more than 10 years of gearing up and laying groundwork before we started to see real results, but then we did. In ten years, from 1964-1974, we got the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare and Medicaid, Equal Employment and Fair Housing, Title IX, Title X, EPA, OSHA, lowered the voting age, end of the draft, resignations of a VP and President.

Then liberals said “it’s done”, they got lazy and went home. Conservatives did not get lazy, they did not stop fighting. Every. Single. Rightward. Move. in 70 years… is because conservatives kept pushing, and liberals didn’t.

Take a lesson.

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Skip Intro  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:37:02am

And conservatives hold a grudge for every societal change going back to the 1800s. They’ll be spending the next four years seeing how far back they can take us. As long as the billionaires and corporations are taken care of I don’t see what’s going to stop them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:40:43am

re: #68 sagehen

Then liberals said “it’s done”, they got lazy and went home. Conservatives did not get lazy, they did not stop fighting. Every. Single. Rightward. Move. in 70 years… is because conservatives kept pushing, and liberals didn’t.

Take a lesson.

We started taking all these advances for granted. Meanwhile the conservatives, and especially the fundamentalist Christians, were busy insinuating their people into all levels of government, public administration and education.

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:41:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:41:18am

re: #69 Skip Intro

And conservatives hold a grudge for every societal change going back to the 1800s. They’ll be spending the next four years seeing how far back they can take us. As long as the billionaires and corporations are taken care of I don’t see what’s going to stop them.

It has been a wet dream of conservatives to bury the New Deal and move on to a new Gilded Age.

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Skip Intro  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:46:47am
Stray’ bullet hits Texas legislator in the head at New Year’s celebration

This is what freedom looks like in 21st century America.

CNN is the source. I can’t link from my iPad. Sorry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:52:14am

re: #73 Skip Intro

This is what freedom looks like in 21st century America.

CNN is the source. I can’t link from my iPad. Sorry.

edition.cnn.com

you are right, monkeys will win in the end

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Joe Bacon  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:52:49am

re: #73 Skip Intro

Here’s a link to the Texas story.

cnn.com

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Skip Intro  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:54:15am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is only national news because of who the bullet hit. If it had been Jane Nobody no one would have ever heard about it because it’s so common now.

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 6:56:47am

re: #75 Joe Bacon

Here’s a link to the Texas story.

cnn.com

Dude’s lucky.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:00:56am

re: #71 darthstar

Mariah’s team says NYE performance was “sabotaged” for ratings; demands formal apology.

So she’s taking pages out of Trump’s playbook?

Sad!

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:05:44am

re: #78 Timothy Watson

So she’s taking pages out of Trump’s playbook?

Sad!

Isn’t everybody?

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:11:26am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:14:08am

re: #78 Timothy Watson

So she’s taking pages out of Trump’s playbook?

Sad!

You know her inner ears were NOT working and your entire production team did not set her up to win

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:20:41am

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Yet the good people of Kansas keep voting for Republicans. Let them suffer.

Kansas did see the most number of Democrats elected in November. Maybe 2018 will see the state move closer to Democrats.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:26:09am

re: #66 John Carter

Which makes me wonder if they are a microcosm of the entire country in 4 years.

We have work to do reaching these people and step one is stop laughing at them and Donald Trump.

We’re not laughing at them. We’re truly tired of having to defend them from themselves, tired of their racism overriding their self-preservation. The only reason we’re still thinking about helping them is we either help everyone or no one gets helped.

As for Donald, laughing at him is not only fair game, but it’s one of the things we can do to push him over the edge and make him do something that will get him in trouble.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:26:24am

re: #82 Belafon

Kansas did see the most number of Democrats elected in November. Maybe 2018 will see the state move closer to Democrats.

in a mid-term?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:26:35am

Seeing all sorts of happy new year posts on my FB such as “Choose love over hate! Kindness over anger!”. Great, right? But the irony is it’s coming from Trump supporters. smh

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:28:43am

re: #65 sagehen

talkingpointsmemo.com

Sure he’s a billionaire.

Part of the Trump pattern. No surprises here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:30:24am

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

Seeing all sorts of happy new year posts on my FB such as “Choose love over hate! Kindness over anger!”. Great, right? But the irony is it’s coming from Trump supporters. smh

Because it is a matter of faith that liberals are seething cauldrons of hate and intolerance.

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:31:39am

re: #82 Belafon

Kansas did see the most number of Democrats elected in November. Maybe 2018 will see the state move closer to Democrats.

Their problems are systemic. They devalue education because it only takes a handful of religious nutters to change education policy and remove science curriculum, limit their children’s world views…and 10 years later they’ve got another generation of voters they can count on to not ask questions.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:32:57am

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

Seeing all sorts of happy new year posts on my FB such as “Choose love over hate! Kindness over anger!”. Great, right? But the irony is it’s coming from Trump supporters. smh

I choose to take care of all of my fellow Americans by fighting to keep the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, CHIP, and any other program that helps people. I will continue to be angry at those that would destroy these, and I will be annoyed at those that enable them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:33:24am

re: #83 Belafon

We’re not laughing at themy. We’re truly tired of having to defend them from themselves, tired of their racism overriding their self-preservation. The only reason we’re still thinking about helping them is we either help everyone or no one gets helped.

As sorry Donald, laughing at him is not only fair game, but it’s one of the things we can do to push him over the edge and make him do something that will get him in trouble.

Yeah I’m not laughing at the Republican base really. I’m more frustrated by them than anything. And yeah laughing at Donald is fair game. It’s not as if they respected Obama.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:34:49am

re: #71 darthstar

Mariah was once a hot star, but her ship has sailed without her on board. I watched that clip of her NYE performance, and she was not even trying to ensure “the show must go on.” She clocked out, on stage, and didn’t even try to put on a show.

She’s from my hometown, and I was once a big fan of hers, but now she’s just coasting on her prior fame. Suck it up, dearie, and admit you fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:35:34am

I honestly feel tired of being nice to them. I don’t want them to suffer but at the same time, I am sick of them not listening. I’m sick of them claiming that liberals do nothing but whine while they whine to return to a past that simply never existed. I’m sick of hearing whining about political correctness from people who supported a man for President who can’t even take being mocked on in SNL in stride. People who claim the government is too big yet want the government to build a massive wall to keep people out of here. People who want their entitlements but think everyone else who uses those same programs is a mocher.

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:36:35am

re: #91 wheat-dogg

Mariah was once a hot star, but her ship has sailed without her on board. I watched that clip of her NYE performance, and she was not even trying to ensure “the show must go on.” She clocked out, on stage, and didn’t even try to put on a show.

She’s from my hometown, and I was once a big fan of hers, but now she’s just coasting on her prior fame. Suck it up, dearie, and admit you fucked up.

Yep…she had all the enthusiasm of a 17 year old being dragged to church on Xmas eve when his friends were having a party.

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William Lewis  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:37:58am

re: #66 John Carter

Which makes me wonder if they are a microcosm of the entire country in 4 years.

We have work to do reaching these people and step one is stop laughing at them and Donald Trump.

No.

We must never stop laughing at the tiny fisted Yam, the Cheetos Mussolini. He is nothing but contemptible and that reality needs to be shown to the people who voted for him thinking he was a competent biz guy. He has no sense of humor and despises being laughed at - that makes it our most powerful weapon against his Scumbagness.

The same is true of the fascist scum that have attached themselves to the ShitGibbon.

Now, gently reaching out to those who have been fooled by the lies and deceit of Herr Trumpenfuhrer and the media? Sure we do that and try to help them find what they need when they discover that Public Education, Labor rights, ACA, Medicare and Social Security have been destroyed by the Thief In Chief. But we must teach them that their stupidity and laziness has consequences as well.

Resistance must be our breath; every moment of every day.

Never stop. Never forget. Never again. To Anyone.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:39:41am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I’m not even responding to my FB friends who tell us to give Trump a chance. They’re just engaging in wishful thinking at this point, and they’re going to be sorely disappointed when Trump and his coterie of fat cats and bigots flush the entire middle class down the toilet. Then I will be sure to note how much better their lives were under that Muslim commie usurper they hated with a passion.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:39:42am

So last night at the boozer, I’m watching the Packers/Lions game with a wingnut buddy of mine who is wrong about damn near everything. He tells me that Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare,” which is, of course, complete bullshit. He tells this to me with a straight face. A. Straight. Face. I told him to prove it to me, so he googles it, and his “proof” is Politifact giving his “proof” the “Pants On Fire” rating. I then said are you going to admit that your claim is a lie, and that your story is fake news bullshit? He paused and said that I was right, he was wrong, and he should be more careful about things like that in the future, so I bought him a beer.

Progress.

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:40:22am

I’m so looking forward to his first SOTU address…we’ll get to hear about those 1,000 Carrier jobs again.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:41:07am

re: #93 darthstar

Yep…she had all the enthusiasm of a 17 year old being dragged to church on Xmas eve when his friends were having a party.

Exactly. She didn’t want to be there, and she let everyone know it. Go home, Mariah, and find another line of work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:47:30am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

I’m not even responding to my FB friends who tell us to give Trump a chance. They’re just engaging in wishful thinking at this point, and they’re going to be sorely disappointed when Trump and his coterie of fat cats and bigots flush the entire middle class down the toilet. Then I will be sure to note how much better their lives were under that Muslim commie usurper they hated with a passion.

Again, we owe Trump all the deference and cooperation that the GOP showed to Obama.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:53:04am

so hey… anybody watch Sherlock last night? Wanna discuss?

my favorite scene has to be Sherlock greeting Mary when she arrives after her convoluted travel arrangement… his whole spiel about how he anticipated her plans, mathematical probabilities, then “okay, I put a tracker in the thumb drive”.

And they say he has no sense of humor.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:53:42am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, we owe Trump all the deference and cooperation that the GOP showed to Obama.

I’ve told quite a few Trump supporters exactly that, and they never react well to it. They know what they’ve been dishing out for the past 8 years, and they really don’t like the fact that now it’s their turn to get it.

But mostly, the extent of my comments about Trump on Facebook has been boiled down to three words: Fuck that guy. I no longer have the patience or inclination to get into an hours-long flame war with people who didn’t know when they had it good and willingly stuck their own neck into the noose.

They’re gonna learn. And I’ll be right there, telling them that’s what they get for being stupid and gullible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:53:54am

re: #97 darthstar

I’m so looking forward to his first SOTU address…we’ll get to hear about those 1,000 Carrier jobs again.

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Jesus.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:54:58am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, we owe Trump all the deference and cooperation that the GOP showed to Obama.

If they’re old enough, remind them how their antipathy to Bill Clinton was all about “character counts, family values, personal integrity, a man who cheats on his wife will cheat on his constituents…” and why that apparently doesn’t matter anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:55:26am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

I’m not even responding to my FB friends who tell us to give Trump a chance. They’re just engaging in wishful thinking at this point, and they’re going to be sorely disappointed when Trump and his coterie of fat cats and bigots flush the entire middle class down the toilet. Then I will be sure to note how much better their lives were under that Muslim commie usurper they hated with a passion.

What pisses me off is these people inevitably will feel betrayed and they will take their anger out on the wrong people. Fuck Trump seriously. I lost a lot of respect for our country for electing him. I’ll always love my country but electing Trump was a huge FU to all the progress we’ve made in the past years.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:55:57am

re: #96 Frankie Five Angels

So last night at the boozer, I’m watching the Packers/Lions game with a wingnut buddy of mine who is wrong about damn near everything. He tells me that Muslims are exempt from “Obamacare,” which is, of course, complete bullshit. He tells this to me with a straight face. A. Straight. Face. I told him to prove it to me, so he googles it, and his “proof” is Politifact giving his “proof” the “Pants On Fire” rating. I then said are you going to admit that your claim is a lie, and that your story is fake news bullshit? He paused and said that I was right, he was wrong, and he should be more careful about things like that in the future, so I bought him a beer.

Progress.

At least he’s willing to admit when he’s wrong. My Dad has a wingnut friend who spouts out racist bs all the time about “racial intelligence” and shit like that.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:56:42am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off is these people inevitably will feel betrayed and they will take their anger out on the wrong people. Fuck Trump seriously. I lost a lot of respect for our country for electing him. I’ll always love my country but electing Trump was a huge FU to all the progress we’ve made in the past years.

“No, I still have faith in our elections. It’s my faith in humanity that’s been shattered.”
—Stephen Colbert

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:57:00am

I wish I could send Shaun King a giant inflatable FUCK YOU. He’s got a lot of gaddamned nerve telling people they should oppose Trump AFTER he was elected, when King did his best to trash Clinton and ignore Trump BEFORE the election.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:57:29am

re: #103 sagehen

If they’re old enough, remind them how their antipathy to Bill Clinton was all about “character counts, family values, personal integrity, a man who cheats on his wife will cheat on his constituents…” and why that apparently doesn’t matter anymore.

It was always a goddamned sham. But yeah i love how Bill Clinton was this moral denigrate to the religious right but they embraced Trump with open arms. The religious right are nothing but frauds but that makes sense given they’re led by frauds. Men who talk about God and morals while having tons of mistresses on the side or some of them, rentboys.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 7:57:50am

re: #106 sagehen

“No, I still have faith in our elections. It’s my faith in humanity that’s been shattered.”
—Stephen Colbert

Indeed.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:02:19am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

At least he’s willing to admit when he’s wrong. My Dad has a wingnut friend who spouts out racist bs all the time about “racial intelligence” and shit like that.

Next time he tries to tell you that SATs or educational achievement are a reliable measure of superiority and who should be in charge, ask if he’s ready to bow down to Jews and East Asians as his rightful rulers. Watch how quick he realizes that academic success means nothing to him…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:02:35am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

I wish I could send Shaun King a giant inflatable FUCK YOU. He’s got a lot of gaddamned nerve telling people they should oppose Trump AFTER he was elected, when King did his best to trash Clinton and ignore Trump BEFORE the election.

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Yeah I’m not happy with those who said Clinton was no better than Trump or even those who said Trump might be preferable (as some sort of precursor to the revolution fantasy).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:03:19am

re: #110 sagehen

Next time he tries to tell you that SATs or educational achievement are a reliable measure of superiority and who should be in charge, ask if he’s ready to bow down to Jews and East Asians as his rightful rulers. Watch how quick he realizes that academic success means nothing to him…

I don’t know what he’s saying exactly. In any case, it pisses my Dad off because it’s such bullshit.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:04:55am

And when their excuse boils down to “but Clinton” the reply is “You made your choice, which included buying into the lies without investigating them to see if they were true. Maybe you can look into what the other people you keep voting for want to do to all those things you take for granted.”

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BigPapa  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:06:27am

Now we know where he gets his intelligence briefings.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:12:03am

re: #113 Belafon

And when their excuse boils down to “but Clinton” the reply is “You made your choice, which included buying into the lies without investigating them to see if they were true. Maybe you can look into what the other people you keep voting for want to do to all those things you take for granted.”

Trump lost New York, his home state, 4,547,562 to 2,814,589. His home districts — the Five Boroughs and even fccking Westchester— voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. When a candidate can’t even win his home state, that should tell people something.

When no newspapers of any note, even staunch Republican papers, failed to endorse Trump, and some crossed party lines to endorse Clinton, that should tell people something.

But no, they only listened to the media in their little self-reinforcing bubble of belief, who trashed Clinton and parroted Trump’s bullshit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:17:21am

re: #96 Frankie Five Angels

Obviously I don’t know anything about your friend’s associations but this “Muslims exempt from Obamacare” is exactly the kind of nonsense that spreads through the ad hoc disinformation network provided by fundamentalist churches and the hundreds, possibly thousands, of traveling “guest speakers” who circulate among them. These people love to pretend that they are defying some kind of censorship by conveying information that is “too hot for the media.” Rubes of all kinds take it for granted that such censorship exists. This is a very old scam but it has only recently become politicized. In the 70s, guest speakers would reveal things like people being raised from the dead or God’s Secret Plan for Prosperity. Today, it is the evil deeds of Muslims, gays, and Democrats.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:19:09am

re: #96 Frankie Five Angels

Now that’s retail politics. One at a time. Show the truth reel them in.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:20:05am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

“Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:23:29am

Sniff. What’s that awful smell? little bit fish little bit hairspray… A lot overcooked.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:28:33am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

I wish I could send Shaun King a giant inflatable FUCK YOU. He’s got a lot of gaddamned nerve telling people they should oppose Trump AFTER he was elected, when King did his best to trash Clinton and ignore Trump BEFORE the election.

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King’s still engaged in this fantasy that there’s going to be a popular revolution that will rise up and cast Trump out of office. Sorry Shaun, but there is no do-over on general elections, and impeaching him will only mean putting the White House in the hands of a far more competent man who knows how to get away with the sort of shit that will turn your hair white. You and the rest of the witless asshats decided you would rather see America burn than Hillary in the White House. Well, to quote a famous film, “if we burn, you burn with us.”

The wingnuts who put Trump in office were voting against “the establishment” too, Shaun. Think about that for the next 4 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:29:47am

re: #101 makeitstop

They’re gonna learn. And I’ll be right there, telling them that’s what they get for being stupid and gullible.

Your unfounded optimism amazes me. DT is President in the first place because they will not learn.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:33:11am

re: #118 wheat-dogg

“Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.”

The fluoridation ct has been around since the 50s but it wasn’t particularly a fundy speaker thing. It is now, of course, along with practically every form of pseudoscience and antiscience. This is because a lot of the speakers, possibly a majority, are arm-pit deep in alternate health care marketing and various other forms of quackery. Any “official” claim or position in these areas is automatically suspect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:35:55am

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

The fluoridation ct has been around since the 50s but it wasn’t particularly a fundy speaker thing. It is now, of course, along with practically every form of pseudoscience and antiscience. This is because a lot of the speakers, possibly a majority, are arm-pit deep in alternate health care marketing and various other forms of quackery. Any “official” claim or position in these areas is automatically suspect.

This is like vaccination, where anti-big pharma, anti-western medicine moonbattery meets anti-big government, anti-modern science wingnuttery.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:45:41am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is like vaccination, where anti-big pharma, anti-western medicine moonbattery meets anti-government, anti-modern science wingnuttery.

Very true. Sometimes the meeting is literal: I happen to know that some of the traveling fundy speakers are former counter-culture/New Age quacks who wouldn’t have been caught dead in a fundamentalist church. Now, though, they have traded their tie-dyes and jeans for frumpy suits and followed an even more gullible audience to where the money is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:53:12am

re: #64 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Mmmmm! French Toads!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:53:51am

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

Mmmmm! French Toads!

Toad in the hole!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 8:55:14am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Toad in the hole!!!

And Spotted Dick for dessert.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:01:24am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Very true. Sometimes the meeting is literal: I happen to know that some of the traveling fundy speakers are former counter-culture/New Age quacks who wouldn’t have been caught dead in a fundamentalist church. Now, though, they have traded their tie-dyes and jeans for frumpy suits and followed an even more gullible audience to where the money is.

“Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.”

- L. Ron Hubbard, in a Los Angeles Times interview, 27 August 1978

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:06:55am

There really is something teeth-grindingly infuriating about Bros now suddenly making calls for “unity” to oppose Trump. As if they suddenly realized that no, he’s not “more progressive” than Hillary, he’s not “better than” her, and yes his election was an existential threat to much of what we hold dear in this country. Funny how this revelation couldn’t happen…oh, I don’t know…back in June!

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Skip Intro  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:15:44am

re: #45 Joe Bacon

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nines09  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:17:53am

I don’t know. Is it me? Or is this “interview” with Tabernacle Choir Member Jan Chamberlin just a condescending piece of magical balance fairy bullshit? CNN. I found the woman interviewing Jan to be a snot. Must be me.
“There was no decision made on the registry of Muslims..” Yeah, but he fucking said it you twit.

CNN to Tabernacle Choir Member Jan Chamberlin - Isn’t Comparing Trump to Hitler ‘ Hysterical ’

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:19:46am

re: #71 darthstar

Mariah’s team says NYE performance was “sabotaged” for ratings; demands formal apology.

re: #78 Timothy Watson

So she’s taking pages out of Trump’s playbook?

Sad!

re: #79 darthstar

Isn’t everybody?

Darth!!!

You leave such big openings…

I could say “Like Bernie says he was sabotaged by the DNC!”

But like Trump, I won’t.

: )

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John Carter  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:23:57am

re: #94 William Lewis

No.

We must never stop laughing at the tiny fisted Yam, the Cheetos Mussolini. He is nothing but contemptible and that reality needs to be shown to the people who voted for him thinking he was a competent biz guy. He has no sense of humor and despises being laughed at - that makes it our most powerful weapon against his Scumbagness.

The same is true of the fascist scum that have attached themselves to the ShitGibbon.

Now, gently reaching out to those who have been fooled by the lies and deceit of Herr Trumpenfuhrer and the media? Sure we do that and try to help them find what they need when they discover that Public Education, Labor rights, ACA, Medicare and Social Security have been destroyed by the Thief In Chief. But we must teach them that their stupidity and laziness has consequences as well.

Resistance must be our breath; every moment of every day.

Never stop. Never forget. Never again. To Anyone.

I’m going to be as harsh as possible. Try to shock you guys a little.

Laughing at him only helps him. Don’t you see?

Are you all fucking blind fools? Stop laughing at him and treat him as the serious that that he is.

I use those words out of respect. I respect you all, I just want to wake you up. Stop laughing, ignore that shit. He is trying to distract and you are being played. I asked, has it helped up until this point it strengthened his position?

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darthstar  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:29:06am

re: #132 ObserverArt

Darth!!!

You leave such big openings…

I could say “Like Bernie says he was sabotaged by the DNC!”

But like Trump, I won’t.

: )

Happy New Year.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:29:27am

re: #133 John Carter

I’m going to be as harsh as possible. Try to shock you guys a little.

Laughing at him only helps him. Don’t you see?

Are you all fucking blind fools? Stop laughing at him and treat him as the serious that that he is.

I use those words out of respect. I respect you all, I just want to wake you up. Stop laughing, ignore that shit. He is trying to distract and you are being played. I asked, has it helped up until this point it strengthened his position?

Treating him as a serious candidate helped him, it didn’t hurt him. Treating his ideas as serious proposals rather than laughably insane gibberish helped him rather than hurt him. Treating him as a serious president rather than an international laughingstock is only helping the media portray his coming presidency as “business as usual.” We had the editor of the WSJ just yesterday say that calling his statements “lies” because they are totally at odds with objective reality harms a journalist’s “objectivity” and it is better to just present a story and expect readers to decide for themselves.

Being serious hasn’t accomplished much, has it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:30:51am

re: #133 John Carter

Are you all fucking blind fools? Stop laughing at him and treat him as the serious that that he is.

I use those words out of respect. I respect you all, I just want to wake you up. Stop laughing, ignore that shit. He is trying to distract and you are being played. I asked, has it helped up until this point it strengthened his position?

I do not know if he has any other sort of policy or diplomatic strategies in place, but I am sure that DT does have a solid media strategy, one that is going to keep everyone off balance until they learn that all the rules that applied for past presidents and administrations no longer apply.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:33:13am

I feel I have to point out that progressive “laziness” has a nice ring to it, but the attack on labor in 2010 has decimated funding. You can kumbaya in the park all fucking day but when the other side has all the money there isn’t much power.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:34:25am

re: #120 Targetpractice

King’s still engaged in this fantasy that there’s going to be a popular revolution that will rise up and cast Trump out of office. Sorry Shaun, but there is no do-over on general elections, and impeaching him will only mean putting the White House in the hands of a far more competent man who knows how to get away with the sort of shit that will turn your hair white. You and the rest of the witless asshats decided you would rather see America burn than Hillary in the White House. Well, to quote a famous film, “if we burn, you burn with us.”

The wingnuts who put Trump in office were voting against “the establishment” too, Shaun. Think about that for the next 4 years.

Shaun King better think twice because this is the GOP Contingency Plan!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:35:31am

re: #138 Joe Bacon

The wingnuts who put Trump in office were voting against “the establishment” too, Shaun. Think about that for the next 4 years.

And they hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:36:20am

Also when Obama told us to put on our marching shoes in 2010, which we did (by the hundreds of thousands in Wisconsin) he sent no one. No national leaders showed up to help us. The only one who showed was Jesse Jackson, who while being a great man and all, is not a national leader with political power.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:36:58am

re: #118 wheat-dogg

“Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.”

I still remember when my grandfather was Chairman of our Borough Water Authority and he wanted to fluoridate the water because of the dental exams done on kids in school. The Birchers came out of the woodwork to attack him--and the leaders of the anti-fluoridation just all happened to be…dentists…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:37:33am
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A Cranky One  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:38:11am

re: #133 John Carter

Trump is a very serious threat. I take that threat seriously and will resist and respond as best I can, in whatever way I can.

But Trump is an extreme narcissist; being laughed at is the last thing he wants. Look at his reaction to Obama’s remarks at the Correspondent’s Dinner. The man is incapable of laughing at himself or of self depreciating humor.

So I agree with William. We need to laugh long and hard at Trump, at every possible venue. Laughter is the best way to demonstrate what a (admittedly dangerous) clown Trump is. And it really gets under his very thin skin, prompting reactions that will demonstrate to others what a buffoon he really is.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:39:23am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:40:17am

Here’s the long and short of it: People who voted for Trump who are not wingnuts deserve to be laughed at. Many of us worked hard to make the case to them that Trump was a dumpster fire. The Clinton campaign burned up phones and bruised their knuckles knocking on doors, and examinations of the evidence suggest it actually helped Trump get votes out instead. We told them again and again they were making a mistake, that they were electing a guy who was openly lying to them, that he could not “Make America Great Again,” and he was gonna fuck’em without lube the moment he got elected. And they ignored us, they voted for him, because they either hated Hillary, they hated Democrats, or they were gullible enough to believe that he wasn’t as bad as advertised.

Well they’re about to get the government they deserve, good and hard. And trying to cushion the blow by giving them a pat on the back and saying we don’t hold the vote against them isn’t going to do jack shit in the long run but set them up for the next huckster who comes along.

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I cannot.  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:44:05am
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Joe Bacon  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:47:05am

re: #145 Targetpractice

Here’s the long and short of it: People who voted for Trump who are not wingnuts deserve to be laughed at. Many of us worked hard to make the case to them that Trump was a dumpster fire. The Clinton campaign burned up phones and bruised their knuckles knocking on doors, and examinations of the evidence suggest it actually helped Trump get votes out instead. We told them again and again they were making a mistake, that they were electing a guy who was openly lying to them, that he could not “Make America Great Again,” and he was gonna fuck’em without lube the moment he got elected. And they ignored us, they voted for him, because they either hated Hillary, they hated Democrats, or they were gullible enough to believe that he wasn’t as bad as advertised.

Well they’re about to get the government they deserve, good and hard. And trying to cushion the blow by giving them a pat on the back and saying we don’t hold the vote against them isn’t going to do jack shit in the long run but set them up for the next huckster who comes along.

And how will they react when Trump and the GOP fucks them? Look at Kentucky! Bevin killed Kynect and the result was that Trump got even more votes that Bevin did. Which counties in Kentucky voted the highest for Trump? The very counties that Kynect provided the most in health care expansion.

Still have memories of when the steel mills closed in Western Pennsylvania in 1984. And how did those unemployed millworkers vote in November 1984???—Overwhelmingly they voted to re-elect Reagan. Why???—They blamed Jimmy Carter for destroying the steel industry.

The Republican Bullshit machine is on message 24/7—in the churches, radio, TV, cable and the press. There is no Democratic messaging counterpart. Honestly if the Republican Bullshit Machine told people to slit their wrists, 90% of those who listen would do that.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:48:30am

So what do I hear when I get up this morning, but NPR interviewing Vladimir Posner, former spokes-shill for the Soviet government, about the Russian hacking (second time they talked to him — but the first time, I came in at the end of it and didn’t hear what he had to say). He played the “house iconoclast,” pro-Soviet, but “of independent mind” right until the coup attempt, at which time he broke publicly with the line they were pushing (and he did it from Moscow, when it might have been dangerous had things gone the other way — even the worst people sometimes do something admirable).

However, he seems to have reverted to type.

Asked about the Obama’s sanctions/expulsions, he said that Russians initially responded with disbelief, then they began to laugh. And that there would be no “tit for tat” response to the actions of the departing loser, and they hoped relations with DT would be better. (At least he’s a good source for clear exposition of the Official Line.)

Asked about Russia’s denial that they had anything to do with the hacking, he said that he was no expert (got THAT right), but employees of Eugene Kaspersky, a very well-known expert (per Posner — he didn’t mention Kaspersky’s ties to the Russian military), had said that no, you can’t tell where hacking is coming from, only what language it’s in. (I’m going to leave that right there — there are people here much better qualified to comment on that, and anyway, my initial response of disbelief has given way to uncontrollable giggling.)

This is the first real indication I’ve seen that the old Soviet propaganda system has been resurrected intact, probably because in other matters (Crimea, Ukraine, Syria), the media wasn’t willing to go with their narrative. Now, it seems (probably in connection with “giving DT a chance”), they are — and this is not likely to be the only time they fall for something like this.

I thought my days of parsing Soviet propaganda were over, but it looks like all that practice will come in handy once more. (I feel like the woman with the sign that says, “I can’t believe I still have to protest this shit!”) For all you young-uns who weren’t around, or weren’t old enough to really pay attention during the Cold War, remember that these are the people who taught the right how to do propaganda, and they’re really good at it. Also, watch out for Posner — he’s usually much better at this than he was this time, and in his older days, he could sell shoes to snakes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:49:25am

re: #147 Joe Bacon

The Republican Bullshit machine is on message 24/7—in the churches, radio, TV, cable and the press. There is no Democratic messaging counterpart.

Because they appeal to Faith and Higher Truths, which are not hindered by contradictory facts and empirical evidence.

Really hard to counter that.

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Interesting Times  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:56:06am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And they hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats.

Yeah…you keep saying that, but look how many GOP downballot incumbents (senators included, and you can’t gerrymander an entire state) got re-elected. And then there’s this:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:57:28am

re: #150 Interesting Times

Now I’m hungry for geoduck.

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Interesting Times  Jan 2, 2017 • 9:58:57am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

Now I’m hungry for geoduck.

Plus, a geoduck can’t tank stock or start nuclear war via Twitter, so it would make a better president anyway.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:01:53am

I’m preparing to watch the democrats sell their souls to hold hands across the aisle or to slurp up crumbs from the floor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:02:59am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:03:05am

re: #153 Amory Blaine

It’s coming.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:08:16am

re: #153 Amory Blaine

I’m preparing to watch the democrats sell their souls to hold hands across the aisle or to slurp up crumbs from the floor.

For all of you with Democratic representatives, it’s time to start calling and visiting to let them know not to.

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b.d.  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:10:04am

lol

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:15:12am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Very true. Sometimes the meeting is literal: I happen to know that some of the traveling fundy speakers are former counter-culture/New Age quacks who wouldn’t have been caught dead in a fundamentalist church. Now, though, they have traded their tie-dyes and jeans for frumpy suits and followed an even more gullible audience to where the money is.

Yep…nothing but business folks who follow the newest big thing.

Also called vulture capitalist!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:15:52am
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Stanley Sea  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:17:07am

Am I the first to notice the lips at the auto button?

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:17:20am

re: #134 darthstar

Happy New Year.

You too!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:17:36am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Giuliani figures in this somehow.

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wrenchwench  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:19:01am

re: #150 Interesting Times

And then there’s this:

[2. Democrats can lose to a geoduck]

Says the Libertarian, with hope.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:21:18am

re: #150 Interesting Times

Yeah…you keep saying that, but look how many GOP downballot incumbents (senators included, and you can’t gerrymander an entire state) got re-elected. And then there’s this:

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the subset of voters who only came out vote trump and then went with GOP down ballot and those who came out to vote GOP down ballot and chose trump does not fully overlap.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:22:32am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOP Congressman questions info on Russian election interference, claims it was “leaked”.

It was publicly announced

it is not enough that we cannot agree on what is real or fake news, we cannot agree on what is announced and what is leaked. there is just too much overlap.

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:23:27am

re: #147 Joe Bacon

The Republican Bullshit machine is on message 24/7—in the churches, radio, TV, cable and the press. There is no Democratic messaging counterpart. Honestly if the Republican Bullshit Machine told people to slit their wrists, 90% of those who listen would do that.

What would it take to get the Republican Bullshit Machine to do just that???

Bwaaahahahaaa…a plan!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:25:01am
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BigPapa  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:28:07am

Here some racist fucquery to brighten your day:

Racists piss on everything. Now we know why!

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:29:50am

re: #168 BigPapa

Here some racist fucquery to brighten your day:

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Racists piss on everything. Now we know why!

I really should show this to the “serious” conservative who went bugfuck insane when NYC put the kibosh on “broken windows” and the NY Post immediately started wigging out over the return of public urination.

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BigPapa  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:29:56am

re: #167 GlutenFreeJesus

Burn
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:30:25am

re: #168 BigPapa

Racists piss on everything. Now we know why!

There are states where being busted for public urination can get you listed as a sex offender…

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:30:49am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s high time Chris Cuomo stopped pretending Trump knows anything or will reveal it if he does.

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BigPapa  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:31:24am

‘But occifer, I uz juss mahkin mah territoreee…’

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Stanley Sea  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:32:07am

re: #172 jaunte

It’s high time Chris Cuomo stopped pretending Trump knows anything or will reveal it if he does.

It’s trump playing the game. Just like his birther search. He always had some inside info.

The press are acting like fools.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:32:16am

I’m still getting a kick out of how the media’s seriously entertaining this idea that Trump has the inside scoop on the Russian hacking and is gonna reveal it tomorrow or Wednesday. P.T. Barnum was born in the wrong century.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:36:46am
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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:40:15am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #176 jaunte

One of the things that we’re going to need is for the media to clean its own house.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:40:55am

re: #175 Targetpractice

I’m still getting a kick out of how the media’s seriously entertaining this idea that Trump has the inside scoop on the Russian hacking and is gonna reveal it tomorrow or Wednesday. P.T. Barnum was born in the wrong century.

Old P.T’s probably regretting never having run for President.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:41:02am

re: #175 Targetpractice

I’m still getting a kick out of how the media’s seriously entertaining this idea that Trump has the inside scoop on the Russian hacking and is gonna reveal it tomorrow or Wednesday. P.T. Barnum was born in the wrong century.

If he does, it’s Russian. Time to lay that possibility out on the table.

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wrenchwench  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:41:18am

re: #160 Stanley Sea

Am I the first to notice the lips at the auto button?

Do I need to reload?

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scottslemmons  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:42:40am

re: #177 Belafon

One of the things that we’re going to need is for the media to clean it’s own house.

…which, of course, they’ll never do.

When y’all elect me president, I’m shipping 90% of the elite political media to Russia. (also the 60 million Trumpers.)

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:44:29am
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Stanley Sea  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:45:26am

Oh dog.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:45:47am

So my guess is Trump “releases” something that directly goes against what the intel agencies have found. And we’re going to have a president elect who clearly has chosen Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:46:36am

re: #182 Unshaken Defiance

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I agree. It is oging to be tougher though in one key sense but I still like his optimism.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:47:04am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

So my guess is Trump “releases” something that directly goes against what the intel agencies have found. And we’re going to have a president elect who clearly has chosen Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

I don’t think they take that kind of existential threat easily.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:47:34am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

So my guess is Trump “releases” something that directly goes against what the intel agencies have found. And we’re going to have a president elect who clearly has chosen Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

He’s not releasing anything. This is a game.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:48:06am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

So my guess is Trump “releases” something that directly goes against what the intel agencies have found. And we’re going to have a president elect who clearly has chosen Russia over his own intelligence agencies.

Or, being that we’re talking about Trump here, he won’t release anything at all and then when the media finally gets around to asking about him, he’ll say, “I never said anything like that.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:48:44am

he just can not stop whining

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:49:16am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:49:25am

re: #187 Stanley Sea

He’s not releasing anything. This is a game.

He exploits the famously short public memory. New day new distraction offered.

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William Lewis  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:50:02am

re: #133 John Carter

Nope. That’s what the fucker wants. He desperately wants to be normal. To be accepted.

Fuck that. Laugh in the devil’s face while doing everything you can to thwart his fascist plans. He hates being laughed at and it makes him make mistakes.

Never take him seriously - his danger, yes, but never him. He’s nothing but an incompetent toad who is the puppet of the really dangerous people.

Pull his strings hard enough and in his rage he’ll break his puppet masters strings and then they’ll be forced to cut him down.

Fight in the senate against his nominees. Fight against his pretend budgets.

Resist in your home town by teaching people that he’s nothing but a joke and his policies are stupid. Go to and run for your school boards to defend public education. If they pass registration, register as a Muslim as well. Put a big crescent on your shirt and laugh at the tiny fingered Yam.

Resist. Resist. Resist. And laugh at the devil to his face.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:50:57am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

he just can not stop whining

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He can’t go a goddamn day without whining but yet his deluded supporters constantly say we’ve become a nation of complainers. Look at who you fucking support, dimwits.

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:50:58am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

he just can not stop whining

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It all came together in the last week. With a little help from the FBI’s Comey.

He got by with a little help from his friends.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:51:59am

re: #187 Stanley Sea

He’s not releasing anything. This is a game.

Ayep.

Media: “Mr Trump, when will you address this issue?”
Trump: “Tell ya what, I’ll address it next week when I’ll make this big announcement.”
Media: “Trump announces major revelation set for next week.”

*Day before “announcement”*

Trump: “On second thought, I’m not announcing anything, but thanks for the free coverage. You bunch of parasites will fall for anything.”
Media: *crickets*

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:52:14am

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Just like the information about Obama’s birth certificate that his private investigators uncovered in Hawaii…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:54:24am

re: #187 Stanley Sea

He’s not releasing anything. This is a game.

That’s why I put reveal in quotes. It’s just another time for him to be the pompous blowhard that he is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:55:21am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

he just can not stop whining

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“…fabled 270…” It’s not ‘fabled’ fuckhead. It’s the bare minimum victory, shit-for-brains.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:55:42am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

That’s why I put reveal in quotes. It’s just another time for him to be the pompous blowhard that he is.

Reality is going to hit this guy so hard in the early weeks.

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BigPapa  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:56:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:56:28am

re: #199 Unshaken Defiance

Reality is going to hit this guy so hard in the early weeks.

I know. It just sucks for the rest of us that he’s so obviously unprepared for the job in so many ways.

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wrenchwench  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:56:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:57:17am

re: #200 BigPapa

#TrumpBooks LULZ

The Red Participation Badge of Courage

I’m Greater than the Great Gatsby

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:57:19am

re: #202 wrenchwench

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Shut up and take my money!

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:57:33am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:59:09am

re: #202 wrenchwench

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That’s fucking GENIUS!!!

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:59:25am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I agree. It is oging to be tougher though in one key sense but I still like his optimism.

It will be tough, at the same time, I feel that, if we can organize, there are way more of us that could oppose these things than at any other time in our history. It’s just how long it takes us to organize that is the issue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 10:59:26am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Now I want brownies…..

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:00:11am

re: #192 William Lewis

Nope. That’s what the fucker wants. He desperately wants to be normal. To be accepted.

Fuck that. Laugh in the devil’s face while doing everything you can to thwart his fascist plans. He hates being laughed at and it makes him make mistakes.

Never take him seriously - his danger, yes, but never him. He’s nothing but an incompetent toad who is the puppet of the really dangerous people.

Pull his strings hard enough and in his rage he’ll break his puppet masters strings and then they’ll be forced to cut him down.

Fin

“The devil, the prowde spirit, cannot endure to be mocked.” (Sir Thomas More)

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:00:16am

re: #196 Flying Squirrel Girl

Just like the information about Obama’s birth certificate that his private investigators uncovered in Hawaii…

What? Didn’t you hear, Sheriff Joe said it is a fake just before Christmas!

USA Today - Sheriff Joe Arpaio renews birther claims about Obama’s birth certificate

I know you are joking. But Sheriff Joe is not…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:00:27am

re: #207 Belafon

It will be tough, at the same time, I feel that, if we can organize, there are way more of us that could oppose these things than at any other time in our history. It’s just how long it takes us to organize that is the issue.

He does need to get the message immediately that most people didn’t want his orange ass in the WH.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:00:32am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

The first Monday of the New Year is known as HANDSEL MONDAY.

I REGRETEL NOTHING!

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wrenchwench  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:03:32am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s fucking GENIUS!!!

Wagner’s cornbread pan has been outdone.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:06:35am

re: #202 wrenchwench

But I LIKE the middle pieces! < sniff >

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Amory Blaine  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:07:32am

Be good for lasagna too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:07:53am

re: #214 Resistance Is Not Futile

But I LIKE the middle pieces! < sniff >

I can’t think of a way to make an ‘All Middles’ pan.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:08:31am

You could probably use that pan also on my mom’s five layer bars recipe. She only makes them during this time of year. Man they’re good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:09:08am

(As you may have guessed, I have today off. And it’s raining. And the Greyhounds are still in post-breakfast coma. And Mrs. FBW is in Florida.)

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:10:49am

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t think of a way to make an ‘All Middles’ pan.

Klein bottle. My family and I were discussing it.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:11:51am

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t think of a way to make an ‘All Middles’ pan.

The edges are a very small part of an ordinary pan of brownies, and can be dealt with.

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wrenchwench  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:15:25am

re: #220 Resistance Is Not Futile

The edges are a very small part of an ordinary pan of brownies, and can be dealt with.

When it comes to making and taking apart brownies, I am fully equipped.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:16:17am

oh, dear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:17:17am

somebody else who can just fuck off…

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calochortus  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:17:49am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, dear.

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Yes, “star-studded” is just what I was looking for in a cabinet.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:18:18am

re: #221 wrenchwench

When it comes to making and taking apart brownies, I am fully equipped.

Teeth and claws?

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:18:44am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, dear.

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Qualified to tear everything down

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:19:28am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, dear.

[Embedded content]

Uh huh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:19:42am

my shocked face…

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:19:48am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, dear.

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They don’t mention what they’re qualified for (graft and corruption).

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:20:17am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody else who can just fuck off…

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Well gee, if he finds that annoying, now doubt he’s absolutely livid that Herr Hairpiece is insisting on spending a good portion of his presidency residing at Trump Tower instead of the White House.

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William Lewis  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:20:26am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

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One fascist clown deserves another.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:20:44am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

[Embedded content]

If Assenge had done what he did to a Republican candidate, Hannity would have been on the air advocating that we kill the guy. Hannity is a principleless hacking who only supports what Assenge and WL did because it benefited his candidate of choice.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:21:09am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

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Uh…I could have sworn that Hannity publicly suggested that Assange should be assassinated when Bush was President.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:21:44am

re: #233 Timothy Watson

Uh…I could have sworn that Hannity publicly suggested that Assange should be assassinated when Bush was President.

That was different! PS, when is Sean finally going to get waterboarded?

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gocart mozart  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:22:14am
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gocart mozart  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:24:21am
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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:27:26am

I am so not going to be surprised when the conservative media starts advocating for Assange being cleared of any wrongdoing and allowed to leave the embassy unmolested. Around the same time they start arguing that Snowden be granted immunity from federal charges if he comes home and testifies against the DNC.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:28:35am

re: #233 Timothy Watson

Uh…I could have sworn that Hannity publicly suggested that Assange should be assassinated when Bush was President.

Maybe Hannity plans to do the deed himself. Be afraid, Julian, be very afraid.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:28:37am

re: #237 Targetpractice

I am so not going to be surprised when the conservative media starts advocating for Assange being cleared of any wrongdoing and allowed to leave the embassy unmolested. Around the same time they start arguing that Snowden be granted immunity from federal charges if he comes home and testifies against the DNC.

And then the idiotic dudebros will insist that the Trump administration is better than Obama’s.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:35:01am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This Cabinet is probably the most qualified and star-studded that we’ve seen in modern history.”

Because something about the Trump White House needs to be star-studded. Dog knows the Inauguration ain’t gonna be it.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:35:43am

Assasination is so 20th century. We should persuade Assange to try to escape in disguise. I’m sure MI-5’s showbiz contacts could help and the bastard may be arrogant to fall for it

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BeachDem  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:37:35am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody else who can just fuck off…

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Other than his brief meeting with our President (and to shore up reservations at his hotel), has the yam so much as set foot in DC since election night?

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:40:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:45:34am

re: #243 makeitstop

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Because they prefer Putin over Obama.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2017 • 11:59:28am

...

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 2, 2017 • 12:33:35pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

I’m still getting a kick out of how the media’s seriously entertaining this idea that Trump has the inside scoop on the Russian hacking and is gonna reveal it tomorrow or Wednesday. P.T. Barnum was born in the wrong century.

He says that he does and immediately, people all over the media jump in and start explaining why it is true. Brilliant media strategy.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2017 • 1:57:10pm

re: #220 Resistance Is Not Futile

The edges are a very small part of an ordinary pan of brownies, and can be dealt with.

Called the “bones” in the restaurant I cooked for, they were reserved for us since edges weren’t to be served to the diners. I liked the bones.


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SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond the Moon Next Year We are excited to announce that SpaceX has been approached to fly two private citizens on a trip around the moon late next year. They have already paid a significant deposit to do a moon mission. Like the Apollo ...
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‘Women Are Just Better at This Stuff’: Is Emotional Labor Feminism’s Next Frontier? We remember children’s allergies, we design the shopping list, we know where the spare set of keys is. We multi-task. We know when we’re almost out of Q-tips, and plan on buying more. We are just better at remembering ...
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Micki Piperno- La Zingara - Live at Auditorium Parco Della Musica La Zingara is a piece from Micki's latest record "Guitar Story"; you can listen to the preview on I-Tunes itunes.apple.com The video clip was filmed and produced by Tommaso Cassinis at Boogie studio in Rome. In this video Micki ...
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Stranger Things 2017 : Set to Drop on Halloween 99 out of a hundred times, the missing kid is with a parent or relative. What about the other time? A love letter to the supernatural classics of the 80's, Stranger Things is the story of a young boy ...
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Ash vs Evil Dead 2nd Season in 2017 Just days before the October 31 debut of the 10-episode series based on the Evil Dead movie franchise, the premium cabler today said the show will be back for another round. "One season isn't enough to satisfy the fans' ...
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LIGO Detects Gravitational Waves After a decades-long quest, The MIT-Caltech collaboration LIGO Laboratories has detected gravitational waves, opening a new era in our exploration of the universe. Read more: news.mit.edu Produced by MIT Video Productions and MIT News OfficeProducer/Editor: Bill Lattanzi Footage courtesy ...
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While We’re Watching the Scandals, Trump Is Dismantling the Federal Government. The rage felt by the president’s critics is real, and understandable, but it also plays into Trump’s broader agenda. His chief strategist Steve Bannon outlined that strategy this week at the Conservative Political Action Conference, describing it as nothing ...
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Criticized by Peers, White House Counterterrorism Adviser Returns Fire "The statements made from the very beginning led me to believe that it was a prank call," Smith tells NPR. "Because he's calling me from a cellphone suggesting that he wants to talk about official business — specifically, elevating ...
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Russian Defense Minister Says His Military Has Tested 162 Weapons in Syria Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made his way to the Duma, the lower house of parliament, on the eve of Defender of the Fatherland Day. The Feb. 23 national holiday was once known as Soviet Army and Navy Day, ...
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Jordan Peele’s ‘Get Out’ Scares Way to No. 1 at Box Office During his Sundance post-screening Q&amp;A, Peele added that Get Out “was a missing piece in the genre. One of my favorite movies is the Stepford Wives and the way it dealt with social issues in regards to gender. I ...
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