And Now for Something Spectacular: “Jeff’s Earth” (4K NASA Video)

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Here’s a powerfully moving super high resolution video shot from the International Space Station by astronaut Jeff Williams, to take us away from the nastiness for a few minutes. I highly recommend setting the resolution to 1440p and watching this full screen with all the lights turned off.

The first time you see Planet Earth from space, it’s stunning; when you’ve spent 534 days in space—more than any other American—it still is! On his most recent trip the International Space Station NASA astronaut Jeff Williams used an Ultra High Definition video camera that he pointed at the planet 250 miles below; here he shares some of those images, and talks about the beauty of the planet, the variety of things to see, and the value of sharing that perspective with everyone who can’t go to orbit in person.

HD download link: archive.org

UHD content download link: archive.org

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:17:01pm

Mr. Johnson:

This page throws my computer’s security manager into Red Alert:

“Potential cross-site scripting (XSS) attempt from littlegreenfootballs.com. Technical details logged to your console.”

Options:

Unsafe Reload (not recommended)
Show Console

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:22:41pm

re: #1 Anymouse

Can you “Show Console” and let me know what it says? I’m not seeing anything like that on this end, but it could be a misbehaved ad that slipped through on one of our networks.

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:28:27pm

I am afraid that though I can open the Firefox Browser console, I do not know how to copy it in here.

Moreover, the console report is three pages long - I am not sure what you would want out of it.

My browser has also slowed to a crawl with two restarts.

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:31:11pm

Well, here it is, good luck.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:31:48pm

re: #4 Anymouse

I am afraid that though I can open the Firefox Browser console, I do not know how to copy it in here.

Moreover, the console report is three pages long - I am not sure what you would want out of it.

My browser has also slowed to a crawl with two restarts.

You should be able to click and drag to select the console messages, then copy them to your clipboard and paste them into a comment. Just copy the whole mess and paste it in, I’ll figure out what’s important.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:32:19pm
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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:33:57pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

You should be able to click and drag to select the console messages, then copy them to your clipboard and paste them into a comment. Just copy the whole mess and paste it in, I’ll figure out what’s important.

Done now in Comment #5.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:36:33pm

re: #5 Anymouse

Well, I don’t see anything in there that could cause what you’re reporting. Are you still getting that warning when you reload the page?

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:37:07pm

Gone are the days when computers I worked with in the US Navy used punched tape and Teletype output.

The graphics weren’t quite as good as today, though. I’m going to program my 1943 Sunbeam vacuum coffee maker to rustle up a pot of coffee. Be back in a few minutes.

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:38:08pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Well, I don’t see anything in there that could cause what you’re reporting. Are you still getting that warning when you reload the page?

If I reload the page, Firefox crashes. When I restart Firefox, I get the same warning. I’m stumped, which isn’t too hard for me.

Maybe it’s a fluke in Firefox?

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whitebeach  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:47:02pm

re: #5 Anymouse

Well, here it is, good luck.

Jesus Christ, my friend, I’m no IT pro, but the solution here is obvious. Just send the $3000 to the guy in Nigeria and plunk the $143,000,000 into your bank account. Why dost thou tarry?

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unproven innocence  Jan 3, 2017 • 8:50:28pm

re: #12 whitebeach

I’d ask if you have a link, but I’d rather not risk being banned —anymore than I have already.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:02:08pm

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Moebym  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:26:54pm

“Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.”

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:27:50pm

re: #12 whitebeach

Jesus Christ, my friend, I’m no IT pro, but the solution here is obvious. Just send the $3000 to the guy in Nigeria and plunk the $143,000,000 into your bank account. Why dost thou tarry?

LOL. That must be it.

I restarted my computer after Firefox ground to a halt. No joy, it is still throwing up that error.

I had my wife the libertarian librarian software engineer look at the output of the console in Firefox, her response was something like “I dunno, did you turn it off and back on again?” (She is also a fan of the television series The IT Crowd)

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:32:42pm

Responsible Gun Owner (tm):

“Florida Man Named Elvis Arrested for Shooting at Cows from Car on the Florida Turnpike”
palmbeachpost.com

Additional info here:
wftv.com

I’m so glad I don’t live in Florida anymore.

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teleskiguy  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:35:52pm
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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 9:38:34pm

crooksandliars.com

Jim Sciutto brought us an interesting tidbit on Jake Tapper’s show just now about one of Trump’s paying guests at his New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago.

According to CNN reporter Miguel Marques, a Joseph “Joey No Socks” Cinque is a convicted felon with longstanding ties to the Trump organization.

Cinque was the man standing next to Trump on stage during his speech where his guests cheered the end of the Affordable Care Act.

Cinque was convicted in 1989 of art theft, but his attorney says he legally owned the art. More interestingly, Cinque isn’t just an art thief. He’s also a known associate of John Gotti, Gambino crime family boss.

When asked by the AP about his attendance, Trump insisted he didn’t know him well and wasn’t aware of his conviction, despite the fact that their association is publicly documented and has been for years. As noted in the report, Cinque’s organization — American Academy of Hospitality Sciences — gave Trump’s hotels an award.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Secret Service can’t seem to figure out how it is that a convicted felon landed right next to the President-elect either, or at least, they’re not commenting publicly on it. Perhaps they trusted Trump’s private security force for the guest list.

The article has video of the incident.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:05:00pm

re: #17 Anymouse

Hey man, Don’t be Cruel (to cows)

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wheat-dogg  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:08:53pm

re: #19 Anymouse

Here’s a long story about Joey No Socks and Don the Con from May last year. It features a photo of the two of them side by side from 2014, and refers to awards the AAHS bestowed on Trump properties in 2013.

yahoo.com

Oh, and there’s another photo of the two of them presenting an award in 2010.

So, yeah, Trump is lying as usual.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:19:00pm

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Here’s a long story about Joey No Socks and Don the Con from May last year. It features a photo of the two of them side by side from 2014, and refers to awards the AAHS bestowed on Trump properties in 2013.

yahoo.com

I shouldn’t be amazed anymore at what a pile of complete bullshit Trump is involved in.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:21:58pm

Ice in his veins!

A Lakers fan won $95,000 by drilling this half court shot!

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:22:08pm

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Here’s a long story about Joey No Socks and Don the Con from May last year. It features a photo of the two of them side by side from 2014, and refers to awards the AAHS bestowed on Trump properties in 2013.

yahoo.com

Oh, and there’s another photo of the two of them presenting an award in 2010.

So, yeah, Trump is lying as usual.

Perhaps that’s one reason why the esteemed opposition wants to get rid of ethics oversight of Congress?

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:24:23pm

I have a refrigerator magnet that sums up the current situation nicely. It says

Republicans want less government for the same reason criminals want fewer cops

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:35:40pm

Am I the only one who thinks “Joey No Socks” is a pretty lame mobster name?

I mean what, did the guy make a huge mistake on laundry day or something?

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wheat-dogg  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:37:05pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

I shouldn’t be amazed anymore at what a pile of complete bullshit Trump is involved in.

Anyone involved in construction in NY and NJ, and who is involved in casinos, will necessarily need to deal with organized crime (or their fronts) at some point. It’s a given. Trump probably owes the Mob money, too.

The Secret Service had better step up their game, because few previous presidents have had so many potential enemies with the means to off the POTUS. Joey No Socks should have been excluded from the festivities.

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:41:40pm

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Stanley Sea  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:41:42pm

re: #27 wheat-dogg

Anyone involved in construction in NY and NJ, and who is involved in casinos, will necessarily need to deal with organized crime (or their fronts) at some point. It’s a given. Trump probably owes the Mob money, too.

The Secret Service had better step up their game, because few previous presidents have had so many potential enemies with the means to off the POTUS. Joey No Socks should have been excluded from the festivities.

I’m just amazed at how ridiculous and deep the scam of the American Academy Of Hospitality Sciences is.

Oh & I clicked to their facebook page, they were the ones who gave him that eagle.

Facebook Post

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wheat-dogg  Jan 3, 2017 • 10:45:39pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

I’m just amazed at how ridiculous and deep the scam of the American Academy Of Hospitality Sciences is.

Oh & I clicked to their facebook page, they were the ones who gave him that eagle.

[Embedded content]

It’s a “pay to play” kind of deal. The awards and prizes mean absolutely nothing as an objective measure of quality. Yelp would be more accurate.

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Alyosha  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:01:35pm

Since Joey Cinque’s nickname is probably an appelation bestowed upon him during an early heist, I have to imagine that he was part of a crew who were told at some point to remove their shoes so as to conceal their footfalls.
Shoes now off, it would appear that Joey doesn’t wear socks.
Just my take.

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Alyosha  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:12:03pm

re: #31 Alyosha

Dammit, forgot the most important part.

The mirth. Oh, the greasy mirth that was had that dark night.

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Teukka  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:25:45pm
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Jack Burton  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:35:35pm

re: #32 Alyosha

Dammit, forgot the most important part.

The mirth. Oh, the greasy mirth that was had that dark night.

[Embedded content]

In order to placate all of his enemies, Clownstick’s cabinet might look like this:

Anthony Stabile
Frankie Carbone
Mo Black’s Brother Fat Andy
Frankie the Wop
Freddy No Nose
Pete the Killer who was Sally Balls’ brother
Nickie Eyes
Mikey Franzese
Jimmy Two Times

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:40:34pm

re: #15 Moebym

“Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.”

or, y’know,

Breaking Bad: Ozymandias

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Anymouse  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:43:11pm

I have been writing back and forth with Dr. Zeman of Exeter University in the United Kingdom about his aphantasia study.

Dr. Zeman directed me to fill in a couple screening quizzes on his Website, which I could not access. (This part of the world is too far from civilisation to reach by Internet.)

Dr. Zeman kindly sent me the same quizzes as a Word document, which I filled in and returned.

Apparently I failed. (Actually, there is no “fail,” though no matter how hard I try I cannot picture even the most basic things. He asks in one question to count the windows in your house, and how you had to do it. I had to physically walk around a house I’ve lived in for five years to count them. Asked to picture a familiar face, I cannot. Asked if you can hear music in your mind, nope, and I am a musician.)

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2017 • 11:44:01pm

re: #27 wheat-dogg

… because few previous presidents have had so many potential enemies with the means to off the POTUS…

Not since JFK.

Not that I’m making a suggestion, or a plea, or anything…

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Alyosha  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:39:59am

Just found out about this, via the excellent comedic American history podcast The Dollop:

The Business Plot (via Wikipedia):

The Business Plot was an alleged political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States. Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler claimed that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans’ organization with Butler as its leader and use it in a coup d’état to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1934, Butler testified before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities (the “McCormack-Dickstein Committee”) on these claims.[1] No one was prosecuted.

Turns out some business types (including Prescott Bush) were unsatisfied with the New Deal and unhitching the dollar from the gold standard to such an extent that they tried their hands at a coup d’etatery.

Their model was the German Freikorps. Using veterans as a political force to enact whatever ideological goals they could. Ultimately unsuccessful, but as it turns out, the Dickstein in the McCormack-Dickstein Committee on UnAmerican Activities that looked into a case that was mostly laughed off as absurd, was in 1999, revealed by The Boston Globe to have been an informant in the pay of the, then, Soviet NKVD.

Holy shit hahaha!

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:12:40am

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Here’s a long story about Joey No Socks and Don the Con from May last year. It features a photo of the two of them side by side from 2014, and refers to awards the AAHS bestowed on Trump properties in 2013.

yahoo.com

Oh, and there’s another photo of the two of them presenting an award in 2010.

So, yeah, Trump is lying as usual.

Will we some day see DT pleading Presidential Immunity in a RICO trial?

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:38:35am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Will we some day see DT pleading Presidential Immunity in a RICO trial?

Maybe. Depends on how nervy the FBI and the DOJ are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:43:05am

re: #40 wheat-dogg

Maybe. Depends on how nervy the FBI and the DOJ are.

Yeah, it would be a shame if something should happen to them or their families…

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:51:34am

Well, I am back with Internet Explorer 11, since Firefox is still calling out that error. (I presume IE doesn’t care.)

I come back and everyone is gone. What happened?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:53:46am

I am still here, late morning in Europe, I am just getting in gear…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:54:49am

re: #42 Anymouse

Well, I am back with Internet Explorer 11, since Firefox is still calling out that error. (I presume IE doesn’t care.)

I come back and everyone is gone. What happened?

I was marking exams, and now waiting for the rice cooker to complete its mission so I can have dinner.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:57:33am

Just sitting here playing solitaire with the cats. Insomnia sucks. (Kidney stones too.)

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teleskiguy  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:58:09am

re: #42 Anymouse

I come back and everyone is gone. What happened?

Not saying much tonight, I seemed to have dominated the conversation for a few hours last night and consider this time a “cool-off” period.

I’m still not taking back anything I said. Fatalism and catastrophizing over the current political situation, in my mind, is wholly unhelpful.

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:00:22am

Brrrrr, ( forecast.weather.gov )

Overnight: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 1. Wind chill values between -5 and -15. East southeast wind around 5 mph.

Chance Snow

Low: 1 °F

Wednesday: Snow, mainly after 8am. High near 11. Wind chill values between -5 and -15. East southeast wind around 10 mph becoming north northeast in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.

Snow

High: 11 °F

Wednesday Night: Snow likely, mainly before 11pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -5. Wind chill values between -10 and -20. Northwest wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible.

Snow Likely then Slight Chance Snow

Low: -5 °F

Thursday: Mostly cloudy, then gradually becoming sunny and cold, with a high near 9. Wind chill values between -15 and -25. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.

Cold

High: 9 °F

Thursday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around -13. West wind around 5 mph.

Mostly Clear

Low: -13 °F

Friday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 22.

Mostly Sunny

High: 22 °F

Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around -4.

Partly Cloudy

Low: -4 °F

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:00:26am

re: #46 teleskiguy

Not saying much tonight, I seemed to have dominated the conversation for a few hours last night and consider this time a “cool-off” period.

I’m still not taking back anything I said. Fatalism and catastrophizing over the current political situation, in my mind, is wholly unhelpful.

Even in my most optimistic moments, I realize that things are going to get a lot worse before they even start to get better.

And I still quietly fear that a lot of the damage that will be done is going to be permanent or take generations to fix.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:00:56am

re: #45 Feline Fearless Leader

Just sitting here playing solitaire with the cats. Insomnia sucks. (Kidney stones too.)

I went to bed last night at 12. Woke up, wide awake at 5 am. I had a meeting at 10, and had planned to get up at 8.

I think my bioclock needs adjusting.

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:02:23am

re: #44 wheat-dogg

I was marking exams, and now waiting for the rice cooker to complete its mission so I can have dinner.

Is it making coffee? Nearly all the machines in my kitchen can make coffee. (Even the coffee makers can make coffee.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:03:41am

re: #49 wheat-dogg

I went to bed last night at 12. Woke up, wide awake at 5 am. I had a meeting at 10, and had planned to get up at 8.

I think my bioclock needs adjusting.

I am in that mode trying to get back on schedule. Dulled out on pain-killers for about two days has thrown everything off. Just now getting my appetite back as well.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:04:14am

re: #50 Anymouse

Is it making coffee? Nearly all the machines in my kitchen can make coffee. (Even the coffee makers can make coffee.)

I have no machines that make coffee, aside from an electric coffee grinder. I have a teapot that makes hot water, though.

I use a French press. Tres simple.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:04:23am

re: #50 Anymouse

Is it making coffee? Nearly all the machines in my kitchen can make coffee. (Even the coffee makers can make coffee.)

The next iPad will make coffee too - needs a special port adapter for the beans.

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teleskiguy  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:06:20am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even in my most optimistic moments, I realize that things are going to get a lot worse before they even start to get better.

And I still quietly fear that a lot of the damage that will be done is going to be permanent or take generations to fix.

That’s no reason to give up the fight. I have my congresscritters on speed-dial now, I’ve begun to draft a letter to those folks about the disastrous repercussions of repealing the ACA, I plan on being more active with my local Democratic Party apparatchiks. I’m hoping the congress will flip in two years, but that will take work. Not this giving in to the forces of evil that I’ve been seeing around here.

You folks want a Fourth Reich? Do nothing, motherfuckers.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:07:14am

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

The next iPad will make coffee too - needs a special port adapter for the beans.

The next iPhone will include the coffee bean port, making all Apple fans ecstatic. It will then be eliminated during the 2019 model year, driving all Apple fans to spend extra money on a $75 adapter since they *must* have the latest iPhone.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:07:56am

re: #55 wheat-dogg

The next iPhone will include the coffee bean port, making all Apple fans ecstatic. It will then be eliminated during the 2019 model year, driving all Apple fans to spend extra money on a $75 adapter since they *must* have the latest iPhone.

Or they make the bean adapter work over a Bluetooth connection only.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:09:34am

re: #52 wheat-dogg

I have no machines that make coffee, aside from an electric coffee grinder. I have a teapot that makes hot water, though.

I use a French press. Tres simple.

Love the French press. Le Figaro is my fave…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:10:22am

re: #54 teleskiguy

That’s no reason to give up the fight. I have my congresscritters on speed-dial now, I’ve begun to draft a letter to those folks about the disastrous repercussions of repealing the ACA, I plan on being more active with my local Democratic Party apparatchiks. I’m hoping the congress will flip in two years, but that will take work. Not this giving in to the forces of evil that I’ve been seeing around here.

You folks want a Fourth Reich? Do nothing, motherfuckers.

It will be interesting viewing things from a eastern large city. The city is heavily Democrat, but the state went GOP. I do not foresee the city shifting GOP to any degree in the next four years. I hope the state shifts more solidly Democrat in the mid-terms since that is going to be the controlling group for the next gerrymander redistricting. So I have to look a little farther afield than directly local politics.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:11:12am

re: #56 Feline Fearless Leader

Or they make the bean adapter work over a Bluetooth connection only.

Don’t talk to me about Bluetooth. I have an Android phone which refuses to connect to my laptop, even though they are supposedly paired devices, about half the time. With my luck, the Apple Bluetooth adapter would probably work just as well.

Nah. I’ll stick to my French press pot. No adapters necessary.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:11:41am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Love the French press. Le Figaro is my fave…

RIMSHOT!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:12:11am

re: #54 teleskiguy

That’s no reason to give up the fight. I have my congresscritters on speed-dial now, I’ve begun to draft a letter to those folks about the disastrous repercussions of repealing the ACA, I plan on being more active with my local Democratic Party apparatchiks. I’m hoping the congress will flip in two years, but that will take work. Not this giving in to the forces of evil that I’ve been seeing around here.

You folks want a Fourth Reich? Do nothing, motherfuckers.

Modern political discourse is all about rhetorical hyperbole: so and so is a criminal, fascist, terrorist sympathizer/enabler, baby killer, traitor, secret Muslim, etc.

I tend to ignore that sort of thing and pay attention to people who speak in measured tones and sometimes require more than 140 characters to get their message across.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:12:48am

re: #56 Feline Fearless Leader

Or they make the bean adapter work over a Bluetooth connection only.

Just drill a bean hole in the case…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:13:07am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Modern political discourse is all about rhetorical hyperbole: so and so is a criminal, fascist, terrorist sympathizer/enabler, baby killer, traitor, secret Muslim, etc.

I tend to ignore that sort of thing and pay attention to people who speak in measured tomes and sometimes require more than 140 characters to get their message across.

Then you’re ignoring Trump completely. ;-)

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:14:31am

re: #52 wheat-dogg

I have no machines that make coffee, aside from an electric coffee grinder. I have a teapot that makes hot water, though.

I use a French press. Tres simple.

I have two vacuum coffee makers (a 1943 Sunbeam electric and a 2012 Yama glass stovetop variety), an espresso maker, two different stovetop percolators, a microwave (which will boil water for coffee through a filter basket), an electric cigarette making machine (which you can load with instant coffee and use the cigarette tube to stir into a hot cup of water), a front-loading washing machine (fill the soap dispenser with instant coffee), a Cuisinart (fill the bowl with coffee grounds and puree) …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:15:12am

re: #63 wheat-dogg

Then you’re ignoring Trump completely. ;-)

Whatever else you can say about DT, he is the master of the Tweet, the bullet point and the talking point, and he knows how to get the media repeating just what he wants them to say.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:17:06am

re: #64 Anymouse

Hardcore. I bow to your technological superiority.

:D

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:18:58am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whatever else you can say about DT, he is the master of the Tweet, the bullet point and the talking point, and he knows how to get the media repeating just what he wants them to say.

He can also distract the media from covering more substantive issues with his inane tweets. It’s like he throws a shiny object in the air, and they all go racing after it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:19:21am

Rice cooker has finished its task. Chow time. BBL

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:20:32am

… a pressure canner and a pressure cooker (put grounds in either one and heat - the pressure canner doubles to can coffee into Ball jars), a dial telephone (call someone and ask them to bring a cup of coffee over), …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:20:55am

re: #67 wheat-dogg

He can also distract the media from covering more substantive issues with his inane tweets. It’s like he throws a shiny object in the air, and they all go racing after it.

Because anything that comes out of his Twitter feed is seen as equally newsworthy. As I said, he is a master at manipulation. Part of being a deal maker is the art of telling people whatever they need to hear in order to get them to sign on the dotted line.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:21:02am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whatever else you can say about DT, he is the master of the Tweet, the bullet point and the talking point, and he knows how to get the media repeating just what he wants them to say.

Which says a great deal about the media as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:22:21am

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

Which says a great deal about the media as well.

That they have handed most of the news division over to hacks or unpaid interns and concentrate on generating advertising revenue.

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teleskiguy  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:22:58am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because anything that comes out of his Twitter feed is seen as equally newsworthy. As I said, he is a master at manipulation. Part of being a deal maker is the art of telling people whatever they need to hear in order to get them to sign on the dotted line.

ALWAYS BE CLOSING! YOU GOT THAT, YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS?!?

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:26:00am

re: #68 wheat-dogg

Rice cooker has finished its task. Chow time. BBL

Enjoy your coffee rice.

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:29:17am

Vacuum pot just finished making rice coffee here.

I suppose you could use a vacuum pot to make rice: Load the rice in the top vessel, water in the bottom, boil, water goes to the top, shut off heat, repeat water boil if necessary, rice is completed in the top of the vacuum pot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:57:37am

re: #75 Anymouse

Vacuum pot just finished making rice coffee here.

I suppose you could use a vacuum pot to make rice: Load the rice in the top vessel, water in the bottom, boil, water goes to the top, shut off heat, repeat water boil if necessary, rice is completed in the top of the vacuum pot.

Get a Dyson vacuum cleaner, fill the chamber with coffee grounds and suck up a pot of hot water into it…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 3:16:36am

re: #75 Anymouse

Vacuum pot just finished making rice coffee here.

I suppose you could use a vacuum pot to make rice: Load the rice in the top vessel, water in the bottom, boil, water goes to the top, shut off heat, repeat water boil if necessary, rice is completed in the top of the vacuum pot.

My rice cooker takes about 20 minutes to make rice. Your vacuum pot might take an hour for one cup of cooked rice.

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Get a Dyson vacuum cleaner, fill the chamber with coffee grounds and suck up a pot of hot water into it…

Dyson hand dryers would just spread the coffee grounds all over the house.

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 3:24:52am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Get a Dyson vacuum cleaner, fill the chamber with coffee grounds and suck up a pot of hot water into it…

My wife was trying to figure out how to use a Shop-Vac to make coffee. I’ll fill her in on your solution.

You could also load a pot with water and coffee grounds into the oven (or on the range) and heat to near boiling. That doubles to heat the kitchen as well.

All this talk about using different machines to make coffee got me thinking we really don’t have a bunch of machinery in our kitchen. A couple of electric items like the microwave oven and the Cuisinart, and that’s about it. Very low-tech kitchen.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 3:33:24am

re: #78 Anymouse

My wife was trying to figure out how to use a Shop-Vac to make coffee. I’ll fill her in on your solution.

You could also load a pot with water and coffee grounds into the oven (or on the range) and heat to near boiling. That doubles to heat the kitchen as well.

All this talk about using different machines to make coffee got me thinking we really don’t have a bunch of machinery in our kitchen. A couple of electric items like the microwave oven and the Cuisinart, and that’s about it. Very low-tech kitchen.

Mostly you need something to heat the water, something to introduce the water to the ground beans, and something to separate the grounds from the brewed coffee. My mom used an electric percolator, and when that died, she used her my grandma’s fancier silver-plated percolator with a little spigot until they got a Mr Coffee. I think we also had an aluminum percolator for camping or on-stove use.

My daughter and her husband got a Keurig as a wedding gift. Makes a great cup, but so wasteful with all the little Keurig cups going to the landfill. You also have to do things in just the right order, or it won’t recognize it has both water and grounds and is supposed to do something with them.

I’d never buy one for myself.

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 3:40:43am

re: #79 wheat-dogg

Mostly you need something to heat the water, something to introduce the water to the ground beans, and something to separate the grounds from the brewed coffee. My mom used an electric percolator, and when that died, she used her my grandma’s fancier silver-plated percolator with a little spigot until they got a Mr Coffee. I think we also had an aluminum percolator for camping or on-stove use.

My daughter and her husband got a Keurig as a wedding gift. Makes a great cup, but so wasteful with all the little Keurig cups going to the landfill. You also have to do things in just the right order, or it won’t recognize it has both water and grounds and is supposed to do something with them.

I’d never buy one for myself.

I read somewhere that the fellow who invented the little one-cup plastic-and-aluminum doohickeies (that is a technical term) now regrets doing so, because of the monumental waste involved.

You can also put coffee grounds into Everclear and let that sit for long enough for the alcohol to leach out coffee. (That’s really high-powered coffee liqueur though, and not coffee.)

I’m off to bed: Gotta wrestle with the snow tomorrow in the car so my wife can go to the doctor. I also have to finish shovelling the dirt back into my cellar so I can close the inner door before those really cold temperatures hit (I don’t want to shell out another thousand dollars for plumbing right after having done that a week ago).

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Anymouse  Jan 4, 2017 • 3:57:36am

In bizarre news tonight:

Man’s Front Door Bricked Up While He Sleeps (goes to the BBC)

A man in central Germany tried to leave his house by the front door only to find a brick wall there.

Unidentified perpetrators in Mainhausen near Offenbach had bricked it up during the night, police told local media.

It could have been built within minutes, they said, and the motive is unclear - possibly a joke, an act of revenge, or a bet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:17:08am

Welp, a 9/11 Troofer is following me on Twitter.

Or it was. It’s blocked now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:17:27am

re: #80 Anymouse

You can also put coffee grounds into Everclear and let that sit for long enough for the alcohol to leach out coffee. (That’s really high-powered coffee liqueur though, and not coffee.)

My buddy used to do that every year for Christmas…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:23:14am

re: #81 Anymouse

In bizarre news tonight:

Man’s Front Door Bricked Up While He Sleeps (goes to the BBC)

At least they didn’t tempt him with some amontillado first.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:23:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:25:02am

So Trump believes the stolen goods receiver hiding out in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid rape charges, over multiple professional intelligence analysts because of course he does.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:27:37am

He corrected the autocorrect typo & retweeted this stupid shit==>

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:27:52am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

Trump just tweeted about Assange then deleted it — very likely because autocorrect changed “Assange” to “Assuage”

There was an article about how great it is that Trumps Twitter account allows him to reach millions of followers without having to filter his message through the press.

It does often give us an uncomfortable glimpse into what is going on (or not going on) under that dead rat…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:35:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:42:47am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

This cartoon of Canada is how I want the USA to be. My dream 4 diversity is a Conservative nightmare.

Conservatives don’t mind a bit of diversity as long as certain elements know their place in the Conservative scheme of things and do not complain about how they are being treated and talked about.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:43:30am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conservatives don’t mind a bit of diversity as long as certain elements know their place in the Conservative scheme of things and do not complain about how they are being treated and talked about.

The Confederacy was quite diverse, after all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 4:53:05am

re: #91 wheat-dogg

The Confederacy was quite diverse, after all.

and people knew their place…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:12:00am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and people knew their place…

which did not include trying to be President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:20:11am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

which did not include trying to be President.

or even to be anything but property…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:28:41am
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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:30:55am
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jeffreyw  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:31:04am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:31:10am

re: #95 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Most Americans don’t think Donald Trump can handle being President

Recall that most American voters did not vote for DT.

And do take every opportunity to remind DT of how many “losers” and “haters” there are out there…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:33:16am

re: #96 Belafon

Most members tell me blizzard of angry constituent calls were most impt factor in getting the House to sideline the amdt

Trump didn’t do this. You did this. Remember that.

Unfortunately, our Press is running with the general theme that all Good is to be ascribed to DT and Everything Wrong to Congress and/or Obama (and certainly not the Russians).

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:40:55am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

He corrected the autocorrect typo & retweeted this stupid shit==>

Hey Donald, he’s also holed up in an embassy to avoid rape charges.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:51:01am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unfortunately, our Press is running with the general theme that all Good is to be ascribed to DT and Everything Wrong to Congress and/or Obama (and certainly not the Russians).

And those in the press that refuse to get this right will be at a loss once again when Democrats retake Congress.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:51:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:51:56am

re: #101 Belafon

And those in the press that refuse to get this right will be at a loss once again when Democrats retake Congress.

That is what the Press is working to prevent, and our electoral history tends to bear it out…

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Bubblehead II  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:52:43am

Morning Lizards. A good day to stay inside and do laundry.

forecast.weather.gov

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Targetpractice  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:53:34am

re: #96 Belafon

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As already noted, the press has found their story and they’re going forward with it. Cause and effect are disjointed for the press now. They broke the story, Democrats immediately cried foul, but Trump spoke up just before the GOP took action so the press assumes that he was the motivating factor. For the immediate future, we can expect that every time the DNC accomplishes something, Trump will be given credit because he tweeted.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 5:54:11am

Hmm is there some friction between Fuckface Von Clownstick & Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver?

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Targetpractice  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:00:14am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

Hmm is there some friction between Fuckface Von Clownstick & Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver?

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Ryan is part of the “Business” wing of the GOP, which despite what one would expect is at odds with Trump because he’s proposing a lot of protectionist shit that will hurt their bottom lines. This is one of the reasons why I expect a lot of in-fighting in the party, as the “Business” and “Wingnut” wings fight each other over the course of the party while Trump sits atop the heap and mugs for the cameras.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:05:45am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

From the reports, it sounds like a repeat of the NJ Transit crash - a derailment/crash at the bumper on Track 6. Damage from photo/video shows that the train went in to or through the bumper, causing damage to the head car.

newyork.cbslocal.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:05:50am

re: #105 Targetpractice

For the immediate future, we can expect that every time the DNC accomplishes something, Trump will be given credit because he tweeted.

Because Tweets = news.

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:10:00am

I have to imagine that the intelligence community is getting pretty tired of being smeared day in and day out at this point.

Schumer remarked last night that if you fuck with the intel guys, they have myriad ways of hitting back. And even corporate shill Andrea Mitchell tweeted that Trump was lying about the ‘canceled’ presser on the Russian hacking (in so many words, of course - it would be impolite to use the ‘L’ word, after all /).

So the question is - where is the breaking point? When does the CIA start swinging back on this shit? And how much damage could they ultimately do?

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wheat-dogg  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:12:00am

re: #110 makeitstop

I have to imagine that the intelligence community is getting pretty tired of being smeared day in and day out at this point.

Schumer remarked last night that if you fuck with the intel guys, they have myriad ways of hitting back. And even corporate shill Andrea Mitchell tweeted that Trump was lying about the ‘canceled’ presser on the Russian hacking (in so many words, of course - it would be impolite to use the ‘L’ word, after all /).

So the question is - where is the breaking point? When does the CIA start swinging back on this shit? And how much damage could they ultimately do?

If the Russians have stuff on Trump, so do the FBI and CIA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:12:03am

re: #110 makeitstop

So the question is - where is the breaking point? When does the CIA start swinging back on this shit? And how much damage could they ultimately do?

Their specialty is to do it in ways you do not even notice until it is too late…

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:12:10am

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:14:14am

re: #110 makeitstop

I have to imagine that the intelligence community is getting pretty tired of being smeared day in and day out at this point.

Schumer remarked last night that if you fuck with the intel guys, they have myriad ways of hitting back. And even corporate shill Andrea Mitchell tweeted that Trump was lying about the ‘canceled’ presser on the Russian hacking (in so many words, of course - it would be impolite to use the ‘L’ word, after all /).

So the question is - where is the breaking point? When does the CIA start swinging back on this shit? And how much damage could they ultimately do?

If we’re lucky, the press might discover how to do its real job at the same time that the intelligence community is handing stuff out.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:15:11am

re: #104 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. A good day to stay inside and do laundry.

forecast.weather.gov

It’s been miserably stormy here for two days. Over three feet of snow has fallen in the Sierras with another three feet expected (Where it’s not a news event…it’s just welcome whiteness). In another two or three days these storms will be shutting down the highways in the midwest. Enjoy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:17:02am

re: #115 darthstar

It’s been miserably stormy here for two days. Over three feet of snow has fallen in the Sierras with another three feet expected (Where it’s not a news event…it’s just welcome whiteness). In another two or three days these storms will be shutting down the highways in the midwest. Enjoy.

We are finally getting wintry weather here in Central Europe: snow and temps well below freezing.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:17:37am

No serious injuries are being reported in the LIRR derailment/crash at Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn. Up to 32 minor injuries have been reported as a mass casualty incident was reported so the emergency response is as expected - major with 100s of firefighters, ambulances, and police on hand to assist in rescues and assistance.

I have little doubt that the NTSB will find the same problems as it found with NJ Transit - a failure to install PTC, a failure to install friction bumpers, and/or equipment problems.

The LIRR reports to Gov. Cuomo via the MTA, so this ultimately falls to him. He’s quick to take credit for opening the 2d Avenue Subway, which began under the prior administration, but when things go sour, he leaves the blame to others. Expect the same here. Not enough spent on critical safety improvements like PTC, and a belated effort to expand capacity on the main line, while the East Side Access continues to be delayed and the costs rise (that project would enable the LIRR to enter Grand Central Terminal in a new station beneath the existing Terminal), and bypass Penn Station entirely. That project’s cost is now over $10B, and is expected to open 2022, when it was supposed to open in 2009 and originally cost $4.5B.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:17:54am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are finally getting wintry weather here in Central Europe: snow and temps well below freezing.

Good. I saw that a few resorts were dry over Xmas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:19:08am

re: #118 darthstar

Good. I saw that a few resorts were dry over Xmas.

The Rhine is really low: the local ferry is no longer able to dock and freighters are running at 1/3 capacity.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:21:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:25:41am

re: #110 makeitstop

I have to imagine that the intelligence community is getting pretty tired of being smeared day in and day out at this point.

Schumer remarked last night that if you fuck with the intel guys, they have myriad ways of hitting back. And even corporate shill Andrea Mitchell tweeted that Trump was lying about the ‘canceled’ presser on the Russian hacking (in so many words, of course - it would be impolite to use the ‘L’ word, after all /).

So the question is - where is the breaking point? When does the CIA start swinging back on this shit? And how much damage could they ultimately do?

James Thurber nailed it.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:25:46am

re: #115 darthstar

It’s been miserably stormy here for two days. Over three feet of snow has fallen in the Sierras with another three feet expected (Where it’s not a news event…it’s just welcome whiteness). In another two or three days these storms will be shutting down the highways in the midwest. Enjoy.

So far what has accumulated appears to be powder. So it shouldn’t be that hard to shovel when the time come for me to get dressed and go out.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:28:11am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

Hmm is there some friction between Fuckface Von Clownstick & Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver?

Ryan is not that enamored with Trump, especially since Trump supported his primary challenger. So the obvious takeaway is, “Trump, you better rubber stamp my starving Granny, and no one gets hurt.”

That’s not a healthy alliance, even among supervillains.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:28:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:30:07am

re: #124 darthstar

Look, I get that people don’t like Trump, but stop using proto- as a prefix if you don’t know what it means. He’s not the original anything.

He is unique in that he violated nearly every rule of conventional politics and still prevailed.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:30:08am

re: #123 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ryan is not that enamored with Trump, especially since Trump supported his primary challenger. So the obvious takeaway is, “Trump, you better rubber stamp my starving Granny, and no one gets hurt.”

I’m hoping for true discord between them. Ryan needs to accidentally piss Trump off before he signs the repeal Obamacare bill…then the orange fucker will veto it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:31:09am

re: #126 darthstar

I’m hoping for true discord between them. Ryan needs to accidentally piss Trump off before he signs the repeal Obamacare bill…then the orange fucker will veto it.

Problem is that Trump will do everything that he thinks necessary in order to guarantee himself glowing headlines. That does not make him much of a team player.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:32:47am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is unique in that he violated nearly every rule of conventional politics and still prevailed.

He was given a free pass by the quasi-neutral proto-facist-fellating media.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:34:15am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Problem is that Trump will do everything that he thinks necessary in order to guarantee himself glowing headlines. That does not make him much of a team player.

I’m relying on that. If he wants glowing headlines he only needs to veto any repeal that doesn’t come with a replacement. Hell, he can even call it Trump care after that - Obama won’t mind…it’ll still be his legacy.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:43:29am

re: #126 darthstar

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Both yield the same result. Trump backstabbing Ryan would helps inflate his manufactured image as a rebel. His co-opting of legitimate protests against the House Ethics Committee gutting (and taking all the credit) should best be viewed as a warm-up act… a dress rehearsal of sorts.

While technically a good thing, it’s all a goddam shame. Trump will not exude leadership, rather, he’s going to engage in fucking kayfabe for at least four years.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:46:29am

re: #130 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Both yield the same result. Trump backstabbing Ryan would helps inflate his manufactured image as a rebel. His co-opting of legitimate protests against the House Ethics Committee gutting (and taking all the credit) should best be viewed as a warm-up act… a dress rehearsal of sorts.

While technically a good thing, it’s all a goddam shame. Trump will not exude leadership, rather, he’s going to engage in fucking kayfabe for at least four years.

We have to use it to our advantage.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:46:32am

I posted a while back about this guy. I was actually considering buying a few of his pillows. Glad I didn’t.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:49:22am

Still, no serious injuries and no fatalities. LIRR riders got lucky all things considered. It could have been so much worse.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:49:32am

I suppose this is what it means when someone in the media ‘stands up’ to Trump. One whiny tweet.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:53:56am

re: #132 Dave In Austin

I posted a while back about this guy. I was actually considering buying a few of his pillows. Glad I didn’t.

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But he’s a Christian….

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:54:04am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

He corrected the autocorrect typo & retweeted this stupid shit==>

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The endless, bend-over-backward defending of Russia is beyond weird now.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:54:47am

Note what the GOP has already set in motion. Efforts to repeal Obamacare and no effort to actually replace it with something. It’s all repeal, no replacement.

And there’s no interest in a replacement, which means the GOP can move on to their signature effort - tax cuts for the rich, followed by burden shifting from the rich to everyone else.

Everyone who thinks that Trump is out to help them will find themselves in worse shape in no time at all. Worse health coverage, lost opportunities, and the rich will find themselves swimming in money that they’ll be able to pass on to their kids tax free (because the estate tax repeal is coming).

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:55:42am

re: #137 lawhawk

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Note what the GOP has already set in motion. Efforts to repeal Obamacare and no effort to actually replace it with something. It’s all repeal, no replacement.

And there’s no interest in a replacement, which means the GOP can move on to their signature effort - tax cuts for the rich, followed by burden shifting from the rich to everyone else.

Everyone who thinks that Trump is out to help them will find themselves in worse shape in no time at all. Worse health coverage, lost opportunities, and the rich will find themselves swimming in money that they’ll be able to pass on to their kids tax free (because the estate tax repeal is coming).

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:55:58am

re: #134 darthstar

At the same time, we should encourage this beginning self-awareness. It’s those who can’t seem to figure out why their hand keeps burning when they touch the stove that really deserve our ridicule.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:57:18am

re: #139 Belafon

At the same time, we should encourage this beginning self-awareness. It’s those who can’t seem to figure out why their hand keeps burning when they touch the stove that really deserve our ridicule.

Write a good hard hitting article and I’ll share the crap out of it. Tweet a whine and I’ll mock it.

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:57:34am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

James Thurber nailed it.

That was great! Thanks.

Also - sounds like a plan. :)

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 6:59:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:00:40am

re: #142 darthstar

A full repeal of Obamacare would cost $350 billion over the next decade, according to new bipartisan analysis

that will be balanced out by more tax cuts for Job Creators, right?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:02:42am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lol.

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darthstar  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:03:42am

At the end of the day, the Republicans are just paper tigers…I hope people aren’t disappointed when they don’t repeal Obamacare.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:04:06am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that will be balanced out by more tax cuts for Job Creators people inheriting a fuckton of money who don’t employ any people other than personal trainers & personal shoppers, right?

fify

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:05:34am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

that will be balanced out by more tax cuts for Job Creators people inheriting a fuckton of money who don’t employ any people other than personal trainers & personal shoppers, right?

at least in America, they only employ immigrant labor…but they might invest in factories - in China or Indonesia or anyplace else where the ROI is higher and the taxes lower…

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:09:00am

Again, Texas… Fucking Texas. I love Texas, but Texans????? A lot of bloody idiots.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:10:09am

re: #148 Dave In Austin

Again, Texas… Fucking Texas. I love Texas, but Texans????? A lot of bloody idiots.

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I can’t do facebook at work. What is it?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:10:47am

re: #145 darthstar

No specifics from pence. Just urging them to blame DEMS for any ocare issues.

SEE WHAT YOU MADE US DO!??!?!!?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:11:19am

re: #149 Belafon
texastribune.org

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:13:27am

re: #145 darthstar

Seems that the message all Republicans are sending out:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:15:15am

re: #152 Belafon

Seems that the message all Republicans are sending out:

Republicans must be careful in that the Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster, with its poor coverage and massive premium increases……

and it is already echoing across Facebook…

really.

things have to get a lot worse before there is any chance of them getting any better.

and I do mean catastrophically worse…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:15:40am

what in the utter fuck is this shit

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:16:21am

re: #151 Dave In Austin

texastribune.org

How else are you going to intimidate minorities if they get to be a large enough group that they can influence elections?

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:16:28am

re: #120 darthstar

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Quick reminder here about why local newspapers with reporters who do legwork are so important… this was the newspaper that uncovered Randy “Duke” Cunningham’s corruption. By examining local property records and transfers, they were able to discover that he’d sold his house for about twice market value to a brand-new start-up defense contractor. He used the proceeds from that sale to buy himself another (much nicer) house (in a much more desirable neighborhood), for about half market value, the seller being another brand-new start-up defense contractor. What a stunning coincidence that both of these brand-new start-up defense contractors received humongous no-bid cost-plus contracts from the sub-committee he chaired…

Cunningham was sentenced to 8 years in prison for conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion and was ordered to pay $1.8 million in restitution.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:21:00am

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck is this shit

GOP panel to investigate Obama’s response to Russia hacking

obviously ethical issues involved…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:21:37am

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

I read the comments. Never, ever, read the comments.

My bad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:30:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:30:29am
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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:32:11am

re: #142 darthstar

The CBO/JCT, which is the official bean counter for scoring federal legislation says that a repeal will cost far more than any GOPer is willing to admit and mirrors the other analysis. It will not save any money. And that savings is the entire crux of the GOP argument.

There’s no savings. Only costs, and taxpayers will bear those costs - directly and indirectly.

Hospitals will see reimbursements drop because indigent care explodes as an issue (the same problem forcing hospitals in to bankruptcy before the ACA).

Patients will see higher costs both in premiums and in loss of transparency *such as it is now* for what procedures cost. People will see higher costs for policies on the individual market because whatever meager purchasing power the marketplace created under the ACA will disappear, and insurers will provide crap policies that cover little to nothing, and the burden falls on to people who get catastrophic illnesses or accidents.

Who benefits from all this? Rich folks who see yet another tax cut. The poor get screwed. Those who got marketplace plans will be screwed. Those who got into Medicare expansion get screwed. The more than 20 million people who gained coverage will be screwed. Insurers will also get screwed paradoxically since they lose federal subsidies that flowed to them from the insureds.

This is the GOP math.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:37:12am

re: #161 lawhawk

My girlfriend’s cousin is a pain management doctor in Texas. He just bought himself a cozy 16,000 square foot house. Unless we repeal ACA, he will be stuck in this tiny hovel with no chance of buying a house more fitting to his stature and profession!

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:38:35am

re: #161 lawhawk

Hospitals will see reimbursements drop because indigent care explodes as an issue (the same problem forcing hospitals in to bankruptcy before the ACA).

Patients will see higher costs both in premiums and in loss of transparency *such as it is now* for what procedures cost. People will see higher costs for policies on the individual market because …. The more than 20 million people who gained coverage will be screwed. Insurers will also get screwed …

Ahhhh. But, y’see, all those costs will be borne by States, Counties, Cities, Individuals and Companies.

Producing a huge “savings” to the Federal budget.

It’s shuffleboard accounting.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:44:27am

re: #115 darthstar

It’s been miserably stormy here for two days. Over three feet of snow has fallen in the Sierras with another three feet expected (Where it’s not a news event…it’s just welcome whiteness). In another two or three days these storms will be shutting down the highways in the midwest. Enjoy.

Miserable, really? Should you not be happy that Cali is getting much needed water from the heavens?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:44:29am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:44:35am

re: #145 darthstar

At the end of the day, the Republicans are just paper tigers…I hope people aren’t disappointed when they don’t repeal Obamacare.

They talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, they fall to the floor and shit their pants.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:49:08am

re: #166 Myron Falwell (no relation)

They talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, they fall to the floor and shit their pants.

What are they going to run on if they end the ACA and ban abortions?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:50:59am

re: #167 Belafon

What are they going to run on if they end the ACA and ban abortions?

dismantling every government agency and all environmental and safety regulations

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:51:56am

re: #167 Belafon

What are they going to run on if they end the ACA and ban abortions?

What does a dog do when he finally catches the car?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:51:59am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:52:08am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

James Thurber nailed it.

I always upding mentions of James Thurber. Another Columbus treasure.

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:52:42am

re: #167 Belafon

What are they going to run on if they end the ACA and ban abortions?

Bingo.

It’s no mystery that repealing Roe v. Wade would mean the end of a long-time, lucrative revenue stream. They’ve had countless chances to repeal it over the years, but I think it’s a conscious choice to leave it in place and use it to raise money.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:52:44am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My girlfriend’s cousin is a pain management doctor in Texas. he just bought himself a cozy 16,000 square foot house. Unless we repeal ACA, he will be stuck in this tiny hovel with no chance of buying a house more fitting to his stature and profession!

My brother is also a pain management specialist, but he has no interest in a 16,000 square foot house. Mostly because he spends 3 days a week at his ski cabin.

ACA doesn’t really affect him; his locale has enough wealthy people with bad backs or cancer that he just doesn’t take insurance (really cuts down on administrative staff at his practice, and he doesn’t have to spend hours every week on the phone begging insurance company reps for pre-approvals.).

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:53:13am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans must be careful in that the Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster, with its poor coverage and massive premium increases……
— Donald J. Trump

This tweet sounds like something a Republican pollster would say to his client, i.e. not something someone would say out loud, that “Hey guys, let’s be careful about this, make sure we blame the Dems for all the screwing of the working class we’re about to do.”

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:54:16am

re: #174 Sir John Barron

This tweet sounds like something a Republican pollster would say to his client, i.e. not something someone would say out loud, that “Hey guys, let’s be careful about this, make sure we blame the Dems for all the screwing of the working class we’re about to do.”

Copypasta from this morning’s talking points.

Pence apparently hammered this point in a meeting this morning.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:55:02am

re: #169 Myron Falwell (no relation)

What does a dog do when he finally catches the car?

He’s sworn in as President; Putin will give him step-by-step instructions for everything after that.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:55:32am

re: #145 darthstar

A lot of ignorant right wingers would be outraged. They’ve been fed the lie for nearly a decade that Obamacare is evil, destroying the nation, and that it’s destroying health care as we know it.

What all these people seem to ignore or forget is that health care insurance as we knew it was awful. It allowed insurers to refuse coverage to people with preexisting conditions, could provide vaporware coverage that wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on, all to claim that the person was covered, and when it was needed, wouldn’t pay anywhere near what was needed (catastrophic coverage with minimum reimbursements). No preventative care coverage. Minimal prenatal coverage. Minimal mental health coverage. Minimal drug addiction coverage.

You know, all the coverages that people take for granted these days, and find incredibly useful - and cost effective as compared to waiting to go to an ER for complications from diseases that could have been picked up by a preventative care visit.

Hospitals aren’t shuttering from bankruptcies at the same rate as pre ACA, because they’ve stabilized their indigent care costs (there’s fewer people who don’t have coverage of some form).

So, yeah, some people will bitch at the cost of premiums being high - but that was always the case. Premiums were always higher in the individual market, and now they’re still high but there are subsidies for those who meet financial levels.

Oh, but people will bitch that they wont take Obamacare coverage plans and get stuck with a penalty at tax time - as though their actions are not without costs to everyone else (who actually pays when indigent care hits the hospital - everyone else who is insured or pays those bills).

The amount of ignorance on the right is staggering, but the sheer lies and dumbassery of the GOP to turn against the ACA because Obama enacted it is galling, particularly since the individual mandate was the GOP hatched idea courtesy of Heritage (and Romney Care).

Change the name, and everyone would be fine with it. The GOP decided to stick it with the name Obamacare, and it’s evil.

Ask anyone whether they like the actual components of Obamacare, and you get significant levels of approval and few changes, and strong opposition to repeal.

That’s what the GOP has done - actively undermined a successful program and now seek its repeal to satisfy their craven urge to destroy Obama’s legacy. They want to roll back the clock. The only question is how far back they want to go - 1990, 1890, or 1790.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:57:14am

re: #132 Dave In Austin

I posted a while back about this guy. I was actually considering buying a few of his pillows. Glad I didn’t.

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The BBB is a bunch of liberal money haters!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 7:58:20am

re: #177 lawhawk

A lot of ignorant right wingers would be outraged. They’ve been fed the lie for nearly a decade that Obamacare is evil, destroying the nation, and that it’s destroying health care as we know it.

The image that summed it up for me was the protester with the sign that read “Obamacare is Immoral!”

And that is how their anti ACA arguments are couched: it is socialstic, redistributive and hence, an affront to God and Free Enterprise.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:02:08am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The image that summed it up for me was the protester with the sign that read “Obamacare is Immoral!”

And that is how their anti ACA arguments are couched: it is socialstic, redistributive and hence, an affront to God and Free Enterprise.

That’s despite the fact that Obamacare:

1) creates a new market where private insurance companies can promote their products against other insurers;
2) creates incentives for insurers to provide those plans (via subsidies given to the insureds);
3) improves the financial health of hospitals; and
4) reduces the number of uninsureds so that you can work towards a healthier workforce, which ultimately helps free enterprise.

Of course, if your god is a blood god, he’s losing out on his daily wages because he’s not getting enough people dying or falling ill for people to pray to him for aid and comfort - so his power is sapped.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:04:20am

re: #132 Dave In Austin

#NotMyPillow

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:05:44am

re: #180 lawhawk

That’s despite the fact that Obamacare:

2) creates incentives for insurers to provide those plans (via subsidies given to the insureds);

and there’s the rub: subsidies are evil (unless they are given to Job Creators to Create Jobs)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:09:09am

ER Treatment IS NOT FREE, despite Mitt Romney & others repeating this lie. If you visit the ER YOU WILL BE BILLED

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:09:21am

Officials now saying that 100+ people injured in the train crash in Brooklyn this morning. Also, the train was going too fast when it entered the terminal and struck the bumper.

The one thing that might have prevented the accident or reduced its severity? PTC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:15:47am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

ER Treatment IS NOT FREE, despite Mitt Romney & others repeating this lie. If you visit the ER YOU WILL BE BILLED

And if you cannot pay, then the ER is stuck with the costs that it has to pass along somehow.

Part of ACA is to reduce the number of ER visits by replacing them with much cheaper preventative care.

Or, of course, the other Free Market Blood God option is to revoke the Emergency Care act and allow ERs to turn away patients who cannot pay up front…

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:19:32am

re: #148 Dave In Austin

Again, Texas… Fucking Texas. I love Texas, but Texans????? A lot of bloody idiots.

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Bloody idiots…that works.

Let Darwin’s real laws take their course. It might help speed the change in Texas from Red to Blue.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:21:01am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And if you cannot pay, then the ER is stuck with the costs that it has to pass along somehow.

Part of ACA is to reduce the number of ER visits by replacing them with much cheaper preventative care.

Or, of course, the other Free Market Blood God option is to revoke the Emergency Care act and allow ERs to turn away patients who cannot pay up front…

Oh, the hospitals and ERs will find ways to recoup the costs - sending collection agencies after those who can’t pay, so they’ll hound people for months and years after to get blood from the proverbial stone.

And yes, the hospitals have moved to reduce ER visits through preventative care. And building/supporting urgent care centers to divert cases that aren’t major from ERs where costs are much higher.

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I cannot.  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:21:56am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Red, to rivers of red, and then blue.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:22:43am

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck is this shit

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Kangaroo court. Otherwise known as a Republican initiated Congressional Investigation.

Jason Chaffetz will need to get to the hairdressers to renew his perm.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:23:30am

re: #187 lawhawk

Oh, the hospitals and ERs will find ways to recoup the costs - sending collection agencies after those who can’t pay, so they’ll hound people for months and years after to get blood from the proverbial stone.

And yes, the hospitals have moved to reduce ER visits through preventative care. And building/supporting urgent care centers to divert cases that aren’t major from ERs where costs are much higher.

Or you could practice “personal responsibility” by not running to the ER for every little broken arm but sleep on it and then go to your doctor’s office in the morning.

Or if you break your foot, just walk it off!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:27:38am
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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:28:54am

re: #169 Myron Falwell (no relation)

What does a dog do when he finally catches the car?

Burns his nose on the exhaust tail pipe.

Though that might not happen to actual Republican pols with a layer of brown crap protecting their noses. But it sure will stink.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:35:07am

re: #22 Stanley Sea

I shouldn’t be amazed anymore at what a pile of complete bullshit Trump is involved in.

Remember how they pilloried President Obama over Rezko & Ayers? GOP outrage over them lasted for months (and the media kept harping on both), never mind that the stuff Ayers did happened when POTUS was a kid. But Von ClownStick’s ties to Russia and association with a known mobster? Meh, no big deal. Talk abut double standards.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:35:54am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Or you could practice “personal responsibility” by not running to the ER for every little broken arm but sleep on it and then go to your doctor’s office in the morning.

Or if you break your foot, just walk it off!

Now let’s carry that financial analysis to second-order effects.

People who get proper medical care… don’t end up on disability/medicare/foodstamps. Their employers don’t have to recruit and train replacements. People who don’t die in their 30’s/40’s of causes that would have been treatable if caught early, their kids don’t end up in foster care.

Short-term accounting will be the death of this nation. That’s how we got the financial meltdown. That’s how we get environmental disasters. Sure it’s expensive to give a great education to 40 million kids every year; what’s even more expensive is putting 2% of them in prison 20 years from now because they didn’t get a good education. AARRGGH!!

The poor budget week to week. The desperately poverty-stricken budget day to day. The middle class budgets for next year’s vacation; the upper middle class budgets for retirement, or their kids college. The wealthy budget for generation-skipping trusts. The richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world should be budgeting on a 50-year scale.

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:37:05am

re: #193 CuriousLurker

Remember how they pilloried President Obama over Rezko & Ayers? GOP outrage over them lasted for months (and the media kept harping on both), never mind that the stuff Ayers did happened when POTUS was a kid. But Von ClownStick’s ties to Russia and association with a known mobster? Meh, no big deal. Talk abut double standards.

Maybe Joey No-Socks and his bosses will be Trump’s Giancana.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:38:20am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:38:47am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:38:52am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:39:14am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And if you cannot pay, then the ER is stuck with the costs that it has to pass along somehow.

Part of ACA is to reduce the number of ER visits by replacing them with much cheaper preventative care.

Or, of course, the other Free Market Blood God option is to revoke the Emergency Care act and allow ERs to turn away patients who cannot pay up front…

MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:39:50am

re: #191 Dave In Austin

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Pumpkin Pinochet==upding

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:41:07am

re: #199 Sir John Barron

MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

chickens

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:44:52am

Maka American Sick Again…

#MASA

Don’t like the sound of that at all. Nope.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:45:32am

re: #200 Sir John Barron

Got that from Charles. The upding is all his.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:46:39am

re: #199 Sir John Barron

MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

Great thing about medical savings accounts is that you get to pretend you’re doing something, and the fact that low-paid workers can’t afford to put anything into them gives you an opportunity to shame them for their lack of both responsibility and success!

Meanwhile, all the people who are good enough and important enough all have employer-provided health insurance and don’t need the MSA’s

On top of which, anyone who DOES manage to put away a little money in an MSA - say, somebody self-employed but moderately successful - will think it’s a great idea, right up until they actually get sick and discover just how fast it vanishes!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:47:59am

re: #191 Dave In Austin

BTW Spicer is whining today that his boss is getting no respect and that too many people are making fun of him.

I say turn up the heat.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:50:31am

re: #199 Sir John Barron

MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

Medical savings accounts only work if you’ve got the ability to save in the first place.

Considering most Americans don’t even save for retirement (and that’s including when companies have 401k plans with auto enrollment), people vastly underestimate the amount they need for health care too, until it’s too late.

A simply broken ankle w/no complications without insurance can turn into a $2k cost just for the ER visit (docs, meds, treatment, xray). And that doesn’t count the costs for PT for weeks/months thereafter.

Many people don’t even budget $500 for an emergency.

MSAs work if you’re already wealthy and it becomes an accounting trick for them to change where the money goes to afford them another tax advantage.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:52:07am

re: #191 Dave In Austin

See, Democrats won’t save your ass after we gut your healthcare. NOT.OUR.FAULT Blame Obama

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:54:37am

I remember like it was yesterday when Ryan’s spokeswoman was claiming that the GOP plan to kill the House Independent Ethics Office was the bestest thing ever for the people and not at all a shameful attempt to avoid accountability.

///

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:54:44am

Very smart move IMO.

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BeachDem  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:57:02am

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

On top of which, anyone who DOES manage to put away a little money in an MSA - say, somebody self-employed but moderately successful - will think it’s a great idea, right up until they actually get sick and discover just how fast it vanishes!

As someone who was/is self-employed and had crappy, expensive insurance until I aged into Medicare, I can testify that it would normally take all year, during a financially good year, to put enough money in my MSA to almost cover the deductible. And even then, the crappy plan didn’t cover much of anything other than catastrophic situations.

Good thinking, Republicans!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 8:57:59am

re: #209 Myron Falwell (no relation)

California just hired former Attorney General Eric Holder to represent the state in any legal fights against Trump.

Trump: memo to staff

Is there any legal mechanism for kicking a state out of the union?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:03:07am

re: #210 BeachDem

As someone who was/is self-employed and had crappy, expensive insurance until I aged into Medicare, I can testify that it would normally take all year, during a financially good year, to put enough money in my MSA to almost cover the deductible. And even then, the crappy plan didn’t cover much of anything other than catastrophic situations.

Good thinking, Republicans!

That is all I had in the ‘States, back in the 80’s when I was young and healthy and never saw a doctor’s office, a minimal policy with a $5,000 deductible just so that I would not go bankrupt if I got hit by a truck.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:04:13am

re: #199 Sir John Barron

MEDICAL SAVINGS ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

This is such bullshit. The final bill for dealing with my aneurysm was over $400K: initial ambulance & transport to a bigger hospital, neurosurgeon, two-week hospital stay (95% of it in intensive care), and all the bazillion smaller costs associated with the hospital stay. It’s mind boggling—had I been saving all my life it wouldn’t have even come close to covering that sort of catastrophic event.

If not for the insurance provided by my employer I would have been ruined, never mind my other ongoing health issues and the hideously expensive prices I’d have to pay for medications every month. I’d most likely be dead as I wouldn’t be able to afford it.

People are going to die as a direct result of the GOP screwing around with healthcare, but they don’t care because the rich need more tax breaks. Also, brown people.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:05:49am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump: memo to staff

Is there any legal mechanism for kicking a state out of the union?

LOL. If they didn’t see California doing something like this, that’s their own damn fault.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:06:26am

The GOP Plan to replace Medicare is lethal injections.
//??

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:06:29am

re: #191 Dave In Austin

There was a plan. It was called “Elect Hillary”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:06:37am

re: #213 CuriousLurker

People are going to die as a direct result of the GOP screwing around with healthcare, but they don’t care because the rich need more tax breaks. Also, brown people.

I saw my sister and brother-in-law, two fine, upstanding middle-class homeowners, driven into bankruptcy over medical costs (she had a long bout with cancer and he was in a serious car accident).

That is not supposed to happen in any civilized nation.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:09:25am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is not supposed to happen in any civilized nation.

THIS. It’s shameful.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:10:34am

Just got an email from Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan asking me to sign on to a site to tell Trump and Republicans to take hands off medicare and Social Security.

In it he also reminds Ohioans that he said if Trump and Ryan try to kick people off their health insurance or privatize Medicare they’d have a “Youngstown street fight” on their hands and he wasn’t kidding around.

I didn’t hesitate to sign on. You don’t mess with Youngstown street fighters!

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:13:37am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

The GOP Plan to replace Medicare is lethal injections.
//??

But they won’t even touch end of life issues and caring euthanasia for terminally ill.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:14:17am
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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:14:42am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I saw my sister and brother-in-law, two fine, upstanding middle-class homeowners, driven into bankruptcy over medial costs (she had a long bout with cancer and he was in a serious car accident).

That is not supposed to happen in any civilized nation.

It would be a mistake to say a lot of Republicans are civilized.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:16:30am

re: #222 ObserverArt

It would be a mistake to say a lot of Republicans are civilized.

They just have a different definition of the Law of the Jungle.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:17:51am

re: #219 ObserverArt

But…Ohioans voted for that, didn’t they?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:18:43am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

Question of the Day: Who do you believe? Julian Assange or President Obama and Hillary Clinton #Hannity
— Sean Hannity

I remember like it was only yesterday when the GOP trusted their own government’s intelligence services and despised Wikileaks and Julian Assauge.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:18:51am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

But…Ohioans voted for that, didn’t they?

Not all of them. Just like not all of us Texans voted for it either.

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:19:16am

re: #220 ObserverArt

But they won’t even touch end of life issues and caring euthanasia for terminally ill.

Unless it causes more grief for Michael Schaivo.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:19:23am

Now I get an reply thanking me for signing the petition site. And it says to stay tuned as House and Senate Democrats are calling for a national Day of Action to protect Medicare and Social Security on Sunday January 15th.

Looks like the Ohio Democratic Party is being a lot more active. We did get a new administration and chairman last year…so maybe they will get the party back in line for 2018 and on.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:20:43am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

But…Ohioans voted for that, didn’t they?

Like a lot of people in many states, they didn’t know what the hell they were voting for. They only find out the hard way.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:22:37am

re: #226 Belafon

Not all of them. Just like not all of us Texans voted for it either.

Thank you. People seem to forget that a vote has two counts. (I don’t think Bass Reeves meant that)

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:31:26am

re: #230 ObserverArt

Thank you. People seem to forget that a vote has two counts. (I don’t think Bass Reeves meant that)

And I understand Bass Reeves’ point as well. I would love to find a way to have any of these actions only affect the Texans that voted for it, because it’s the only way a lot of people I work with and live near will understand. I just haven’t found a way to do that without punishing us all.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:34:36am

re: #231 Belafon

Maybe some sort of bar code on the back of the neck?

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:35:06am

re: #220 ObserverArt

But they won’t even touch end of life issues and caring euthanasia for terminally ill.

Right, life is sacred and euthanasia is morally wrong because “Christian,” and they should’ve saved (or counted on charity) for hospice care. They’re so full of shit—how convenient to be anti-choice and therefore basically pro-forced-birth, but once the child is out of the womb they don’t care if it has food to eat, a roof over its head, a good education, safe water to drink, etc.

If the kid beats the odds and manages to survive, but then lives long enough to need end of life assistance, they can’t be bothered with that either. “No, I’m sorry, you’ll just have to suffer. It’s what Jesus would have wanted, what he taught us.” Uh-huh, can you point out those verses to me in your Bible and explain how they abrogate the verses commanding you to care for others & ease their suffering?

I’ll wait. *tap, tap, tap…*

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:37:26am

re: #232 Bass Reeves

Maybe some sort of bar code on the back of the neck?

I’d go with Charles’ suggestion of a scarlet T tattooed on their foreheads.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:38:53am

re: #233 CuriousLurker

Well, if you care about souls—the intangible, abstract part of a person—way more that the actual person….

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Stanley Sea  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:38:54am

Definitely worth the look at this thread

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:40:49am

re: #235 The Ghost of Senator Incatatus

Well, if you care about souls—the intangible, abstract part of a person—way more that the actual person….

There ya go, that must be it. Good thing that precious soul isn’t trapped inside a… oh wait. Never mind. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:42:46am

Heh. Remember this wingnut Tweet from yesterday? She got totally PWN3D on her Twitter poll, I like to think we lizards might have had something to do with that.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:44:55am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Heh. Remember this wingnut Tweet from yesterday? She got totally PWN3D on her Twitter poll, I like to think we lizards might have had something to do with that.

It was all Trump’s doing. //

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:52:35am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Heh. Remember this wingnut Tweet from yesterday? She got totally PWN3D on her Twitter poll, I like to think we lizards might have had something to do with that.

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Indeed we did.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:53:45am

talkingpointsmemo.com

House Republicans on Tuesday introduced and approved new chamber rules that included a special glide path for their efforts to dismantle Obamacare. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Mike Enzi (R-WY) also introduced a budget resolution to kick-start the budget reconciliation process Republican lawmakers will likely use to scrap major parts of the bill and avoid a Democratic filibuster.

“Hey voters, we know you like to vote for those with an R after their name because they promise to stick it to blacks, but guess what, they don’t care about you either. To them, you’re moochers, too.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 9:59:35am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Heh. Remember this wingnut Tweet from yesterday? She got totally PWN3D on her Twitter poll, I like to think we lizards might have had something to do with that.

Damn Russian bots. ////////

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Mike Lamb  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:02:21am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

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Actually—it’s President Obama, Clinton, the CIA, the FBI, the DNI, etc. vs. Assange.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:08:30am

I couldn’t resist.

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:16:23am

Did anyone catch this?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:16:53am
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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:17:03am

re: #244 I Would Prefer Not To

You Leave Margaret Hamilton alone!

//

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mmmirele  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:17:26am

re: #245 electrotek

Did anyone catch this?

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Anthoy Bourdain can kiss my fat white fundament.

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:18:14am

re: #248 mmmirele

lol damn, so I take it Anthony Bourdain doesn’t have many fans here?

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:21:23am

re: #249 electrotek

lol damn, so I take it Anthony Bourdain doesn’t have many fans here?

I like him. And I think to a degree, he has a point.

That said, Bourdain himself overlooks the fact that many of those ‘gun-country’ Americans hated people like me long before Trump was even a thing.

And I like that he goes in on Maher. In that respect, he’s on point. Maher’s a smug prick.

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mmmirele  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:21:56am

re: #249 electrotek

lol damn, so I take it Anthony Bourdain doesn’t have many fans here?

No, it’s just the stupidity of the remark.

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:23:39am

re: #250 makeitstop

I like him. And I think to a degree, he has a point.

That said, Bourdain himself overlooks the fact that many of those ‘gun-country’ Americans hated people like me long before Trump was even a thing.

And I like that he goes in on Maher. In that respect, he’s on point. Maher’s a smug prick.

That’s a valid point for sure. But overall, I’m just stoked that he went after a bigot like Maher. Maher’s views on Muslims are really no different than that of Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer anyways. Just because he’s a liberal doesn’t mean he gets a free pass IMO.

After all, isn’t engaging in self-introspection an integral part of being a liberal as well?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:23:45am

GOP congressman plans Russia trip to ‘work with the Duma’

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican ally of President-elect Donald Trump and a longtime enthusiast of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said Wednesday that he is planning to lead a congressional delegation to Russia next month and expects to meet with Russian officials to discuss “how we can work with the Duma.”

“We’re going to look at certain goals we can set with our Congress and the Duma,” the Russian legislature, Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) said in an interview. “What could we actually set in the legislature of Russia and in Congress? Could we work together, for example, and cooperate on space activities?”

Rohrabacher went on to list the rise of the Islamic State and President Obama’s latest round of sanctions against Russia as additional agenda items that he expects to come up during the talks in Moscow.

Rohrabacher, a former White House speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan who represents Orange County, said Russian leaders are eager to meet with U.S. lawmakers to talk directly about the sanctions and many other lingering political tensions.

“We’ll go within a month of the inaugural,” the lawmaker said of the timing. “It’s going to be an official trip of my subcommittee.”

Rohrabacher, who chairs the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia and emerging threats, was coy when asked whether his group would meet with Putin.

“I really can’t say that,” he said after a pause and a half-smile. “It’s possible.”

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:24:17am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOP congressman plans Russia trip to ‘work with the Duma’

LMFAO isn’t this the same moron who wanted more hawkish positions on Pakistan???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:25:05am

re: #254 electrotek

LMFAO isn’t this the same moron who wanted more hawkish positions on Pakistan???

yep

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:26:11am

re: #252 electrotek

That’s a valid point for sure. But overall, I’m just stoked that he went after a bigot like Maher. Maher’s views on Muslims are really no different than that of Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer anyways. Just because he’s a liberal doesn’t mean he gets a free pass IMO.

After all, isn’t engaging in self-introspection an integral part of being a liberal as well?

I barely even consider Maher to be a liberal, TBH. More your garden-variety Glibertarian.

I think he earned the ‘liberal’ tag after he was kicked off of ABC, but it was mostly conservatives calling him that because he went after Bush.

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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:27:05am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

Yeah, BFFs with the Taliban, before it was cool.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:27:35am

meanwhile in Kentucky:

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:28:30am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOP congressman plans Russia trip to ‘work with the Duma’

Rohrabacher is only 69? He must be one of those guys who seems old before 30.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:28:34am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:28:59am

re: #256 makeitstop

I barely even consider Maher to be a liberal, TBH. More your garden-variety Glibertarian.

I think he earned the ‘liberal’ tag after he was kicked off of ABC, but it was mostly conservatives calling him that because he went after Bush.

He’s a useful idiot a lot of times, that’s for sure.

But I will admit I used to watch his show on ABC when I was in high school. I still remember when Ann Coulter was on his show, before 9/11.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:30:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:33:40am
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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:35:32am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many of them voted for Trump?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:36:08am

re: #245 electrotek

Did anyone catch this?

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All the outlets are reducing this interview to these click bait points. It was so much more.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:36:15am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was this the meeting that union activists were locked out of because the anti-worker “Americans For Prosperity (of billionaires)” reserved the room for themselves?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:36:29am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:37:00am

re: #265 Stanley Sea

All the outlets are reducing this interview to these click bait points. It was so much more.

You can only have so much content with 140 characters that Twitter sets.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:37:40am

re: #191 Dave In Austin

Dave, Your Pumpkin Pinochet deserves a million updings!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:37:57am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

It’s in Frankfort today as the General Assembly is pushing for “right to work” legislation as a priority bill.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:39:18am
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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:40:31am

re: #269 Joe Bacon

Dave, Your Pumpkin Pinochet deserves a million updings!

And retweets, that’s what gets it out beyond the lizards.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:40:49am

re: #269 Joe Bacon

Dave, Your Pumpkin Pinochet deserves a million updings!

Credit for that goes to our host Charles. I think he was the originator.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:41:17am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:41:38am
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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:42:09am

re: #269 Joe Bacon

Not bad, but I’m sticking with Cheeto Benito

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:42:48am

re: #276 Kragar

Not bad, but I’m sticking with Cheeto Benito

I’m sticking with Cheeto Jesus.

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:43:14am

re: #276 Kragar

Not bad, but I’m sticking with Cheeto Benito

He’s the one Yam that will never be mistaken for a Sweet Potato.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:43:23am
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:43:41am

I saw “Tweet Potato” today on a WaPo comment. Still chuckling over that one…

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scottslemmons  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:44:50am

re: #276 Kragar

Not bad, but I’m sticking with Cheeto Benito

Giant Orange Incest Yam.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:45:07am
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:45:24am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

Hmm is there some friction between Fuckface Von Clownstick & Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver?

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:46:02am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess we’ll find out in 2018 just how much it takes to get Republican voters to stop being Republican voters.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:49:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:49:18am

oops…wrong one

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CuriousLurker  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:50:03am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If a GOP senator will only speak the truth “on condition of anonymity,” that says something, doesn’t it? God forbid one should be honest while using one’s real name.

GOP profiles in courage. //

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:50:32am

re: #284 Belafon

Remember when Conservative Pundits were screaming that electing Obama would mean gas would hit $5 a gallon?

I wonder what they’ll be saying when Trump makes it happen to keep Putin happy.

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electrotek  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:50:59am

re: #287 CuriousLurker

If a GOP senator will only speak the truth “on condition of anonymity,” that says something, doesn’t it? God forbid one should be honest while using one’s real name.

GOP profiles in courage. //

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And remember, these are the same GOP clowns that engage in thumping their chests when it comes to fighting Da’esh LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:51:18am

this was the argle bargle tweet I meant to post:

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:51:35am

re: #276 Kragar

Not bad, but I’m sticking with Cheeto Benito

Kragar! I was asking if you had been around last evening. I hadn’t seen any comments from you lately…maybe I missed them. I hope all is well with you.

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:51:38am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

oops…wrong one

I thought it was a flashback. Whew.

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gocart mozart  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:52:18am
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makeitstop  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:53:38am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:53:48am

re: #265 Stanley Sea

All the outlets are reducing this interview to these click bait points. It was so much more.

Yes, that constituted about one paragraph of a much wider conversation on what troubles America. I thought it was a good interview. Also, to his credit, AB does go into different parts of America and isn’t afraid to mix it up.

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mmmirele  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:54:52am

re: #274 Kragar

My, has the world changed. Six months ago i would have been like, yeah, white Mormon Republican, like many of my neighbors and wouldn’t have given hm the time of day. But, hell, he sees the problem we’ve got. I’m sure we would have disagreements, but he’s sane.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:55:35am

re: #291 ObserverArt

Kragar! I was asking if you had been around last evening. I hadn’t seen any comments from you lately…maybe I missed them. I hope all is well with you.

I had been on vacation between Christmas and New Years and was deliberately trying to stay off the internet as much as possible to just relax a little bit.

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gocart mozart  Jan 4, 2017 • 10:58:19am

re: #293 gocart mozart

I can’t prove it but in my gut I know it’s true.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:00:06am

re: #297 Kragar

I had been on vacation between Christmas and New Years and was deliberately trying to stay off the internet as much as possible to just relax a little bit.

Understandable. And always good for mental health in these political times.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:00:33am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:00:49am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

this was the argle bargle tweet I meant to post:

That’s a lie. All evidence says exactly the opposite.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:03:46am

Experts figure 2016 car sales in US will reach new record, topping level set in 2015.

That’s an auto industry that exists as a result of TARP and the auto bailout.

That’s millions of jobs saved as a result of government action.

Trump gets cheered by fiscal illterates and his Twit troop for “saving” a few hundred jobs that turn out to have never been on the chopping block, or jobs were being moved anyways, or taking credit for moves already in the works for months.

All of Trump’s cheerleaders have to ignore what Obama did because it would show just how small they truly are - and how much of what Hillary said about their misogyny and racism is 100% accurate. These are people who wouldn’t give Obama credit for saving the global economy after the great meltdown. These are the same people who will eliminate health insurance coverage for 20 million all to deny Obama a legacy (though they’re also the ones who instead of using the ACA to describe the program, decided to give it the moniker Obamacare).

Yup, much of this is tied up in racism, de-legitimizing the achievements of the first African American president, and rolling back progress by 50+ years on all fronts.

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:04:44am

re: #296 mmmirele

My, has the world changed. Six months ago i would have been like, yeah, white Mormon Republican, like many of my neighbors and wouldn’t have given hm the time of day. But, hell, he sees the problem we’ve got. I’m sure we would have disagreements, but he’s sane.

I think sanity is going to show up in the weirdest places. Like John Dean.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:04:52am

re: #269 Joe Bacon

Dave, Your Pumpkin Pinochet deserves a million updings!

As I said before, I got it from Charles.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:05:39am

re: #302 lawhawk

Experts figure 2016 car sales in US will reach new record, topping level set in 2015.

Thank you, Trump! You made the American auto industry great again!!!

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:07:23am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Sadly, most office building windows don’t open anymore.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:08:15am
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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:08:51am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:09:51am

re: #302 lawhawk

Experts figure 2016 car sales in US will reach new record, topping level set in 2015.

That’s an auto industry that exists as a result of TARP and the auto bailout.

That’s millions of jobs saved as a result of government action.

Trump gets cheered by fiscal illterates and his Twit troop for “saving” a few hundred jobs that turn out to have never been on the chopping block, or jobs were being moved anyways, or taking credit for moves already in the works for months.

All of Trump’s cheerleaders have to ignore what Obama did because it would show just how small they truly are - and how much of what Hillary said about their misogyny and racism is 100% accurate. These are people who wouldn’t give Obama credit for saving the global economy after the great meltdown. These are the same people who will eliminate health insurance coverage for 20 million all to deny Obama a legacy (though they’re also the ones who instead of using the ACA to describe the program, decided to give it the moniker Obamacare).

Yup, much of this is tied up in racism, de-legitimizing the achievements of the first African American president, and rolling back progress by 50+ years on all fronts.

I have had wingnuts Tweet at me HURR HURR TEH AUTO BAILOUT WAS JUST FOR TEH YOONYUN BOSSES NOT TEH WORKERS!!!!!

And I’m like:
FCA CEO= $66 million/yr
GM CEO = $28 million/yr
Ford CEO= $18 million/yr
Highest-ranking UAW officer: $176K/yr

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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:09:51am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOP congressman plans Russia trip to ‘work with the Duma’

Reminder: this congressman’s father (same name, which is probably how junior got elected in the first place) was a big fan of the Taliban. Until, y’know.

These days, Rohrabacher touts his opposition to the Taliban, but in 1996 he told the Washington Report on Middle East Affairsthat Taliban leaders are “not terrorists or revolutionaries” and that their “takeover of Afghanistan would be a positive development” for the U.S.

The congressman also maintained a cordial, behind-the-scenes relationship with bin Laden associates in the Middle East in the months just before Sept. 11. On April 11, 2001, Rohrabacher traveled with Saffuri and others from Washington, D.C., to meet in Qatar with Taliban leader Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. The regime that was protecting bin Laden from U.S. intelligence operations wanted Rohrabacher to help increase U.S. aid to it, at the time already more than $100 million annually. Rohrabacher emerged from those meetings to tell Middle Eastern news media that the meeting had been “frank and open” and that the Taliban leaders were “thoughtful and inquisitive” as well as “flexible.”

ocweekly.com

He liked that they were super-pious, their children could only attend religious schools and their womenfolk didn’t have Planned Parenthood or anything like that…

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:10:03am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

ER Treatment IS NOT FREE, despite Mitt Romney & others repeating this lie. If you visit the ER YOU WILL BE BILLED

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Only if you give your real name. Health-care moving forward will be based on lying to the ER so people who still have insurance wind up paying for your care.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:10:15am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Working people matter-this is why #RightToWork is so important. Union jobs grow in RTW states because they attract more jobs. #kyga17
— Governor Matt Bevin

Lol, derp.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:11:52am

re: #308 Kragar

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:12:57am

re: #311 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Only if you give your real name. Health-care moving forward will be based on lying to the ER so people who still have insurance wind up paying for your care.

A couple of years ago my son was visiting with his family from Toronto and their toddler fell and required stitches. They actually contemplated GOING ACROSS THE BORDER where the ER was free but went to the closest ER and managed to persuade the ER staff to bill the Canadian government.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:15:01am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:15:37am

re: #308 Kragar

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Lord Haha.

Haha.

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gocart mozart  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:16:24am
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sagehen  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:16:34am

re: #296 mmmirele

My, has the world changed. Six months ago i would have been like, yeah, white Mormon Republican, like many of my neighbors and wouldn’t have given hm the time of day. But, hell, he sees the problem we’ve got. I’m sure we would have disagreements, but he’s sane.

Evan McMullin is the apocryphal Sane Conservative. An endangered species these days, but not yet entirely extinct. We should post their pictures and ooooh over them like bird-watchers admiring the condor.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:16:57am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

A couple of years ago my son was visiting with his family from Toronto and their toddler fell and required stitches. They actually contemplated GOING ACROSS THE BORDER where the ER was free but went to the closest ER and managed to persuade the ER staff to bill the Canadian government.

Trump and his lackeys are promising no-one will lose healthcare coverage as a result of repealing the ACA. I’m sure he’ll unveil a terrific plan for universal coverage right after creating hundreds of thousands of steel working and coal mining jobs./

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:18:29am

re: #315 Kragar

Remember when GOP believed siding with other nations and accused rapists against our own intelligence community would be considered treason?
— Erick Erickson

I do remember. Those were the days.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:19:02am

re: #316 Sir John Barron

Lord Haha.

Haha.

Lord Hee Haw

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gocart mozart  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:19:36am

re: #317 gocart mozart

Any over weight rappers out there? Feel free to steal “Bigly Yuuge” as your stage name.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:21:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:21:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:23:14am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:23:45am

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Jackie Evancho’s album sales have skyrocketed after announcing her Inauguration performance.Some people just don’t understand the “Movement”
— Donald J. Trump

Shouldn’t this guy be preparing to take on his duties as the nation’s chief executive, rather than tweeting one vain thought after another?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:24:10am

re: #294 makeitstop

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:24:36am

I’m so old, I remember when there weren’t separate categories for those over 105. Participation trophies?

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:24:38am

re: #323 Charles Johnson

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Wasn’t there some concern in the classical music community that she was destroying her vocal chords by performing selections that she wasn’t mature enough to sing?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:25:14am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not The Onion?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:26:46am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eight in ten Americans want #Obamacare either significantly changed or replaced altogether according to @Gallup. #RepealObamacare pic.twitter.com
— Senate Republicans

Their hashtag doesn’t indicate anything about #replacement. Interesting, that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:27:23am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:27:56am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eight in ten Americans want #Obamacare either significantly changed or replaced altogether according to @Gallup. #RepealObamacare pic.twitter.com
— Senate Republicans

Didn’t something like 8 or 9 in 10 Americans favor expanded background checks for guns?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:29:30am

Jessica Ditto was Gov. Matt Bevin’s spokeswoman.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:29:43am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

They are going to twist every set of numbers so that it is in their favor. They do not care about anything else.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:30:09am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

Sure, just not REAL Americans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:30:10am

re: #311 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Only if you give your real name. Health-care moving forward will be based on lying to the ER so people who still have insurance wind up paying for your care.

I always carry a fake ID so the ER people will find it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:31:58am
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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:32:06am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bill Stepien is one of Christie’s inner circle folks who got wrapped up in Bridgegate.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:33:16am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

If it feels like Republicans are trying to do everything they can to destroy this country, it’s probably because they know this is their last true chance.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:33:46am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:34:40am

re: #340 Belafon

If it feels like Republicans are trying to do everything they can to destroy this country, it’s probably because they know this is their last true chance.

you only need one good shot to do damage that will take generations to recover from…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:34:43am

re: #331 Sir John Barron

Their hashtag doesn’t indicate anything about #replacement. Interesting, that.

This tweet chain says it all.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:34:50am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can I panic yet? WTF?! These people are so stupid they think the US can run the world without participating in it. Wonder what Nikki Haley has to say about this? I mean… isn’t this like, her job?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:35:04am
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BeachDem  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:35:05am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

this was the argle bargle tweet I meant to post:

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“We discourage any companies that have unions from wanting to come to South Carolina because we don’t want to taint the water.”

So said (our soon-to-be-UN Ambassador) Nikki Haley in 2014.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:36:37am

re: #343 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:36:56am

re: #343 Myron Falwell (no relation)

If he didn’t go to college, he would have been off at 18. If he went to college, 22. These are the idiots that shouldn’t be allowed to put their pants on without supervision.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:37:36am

re: #328 wrenchwench

I’m so old, I remember when there weren’t separate categories for those over 105. Participation trophies?/

Really, all over 60s should all be lumped together.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:37:47am

ACA is perceived as immoral because it is socialistic and redistributive in nature.

After all, Freedom of Choice means that individuals & families with limited budgets and resources are free to negotiate one-to-one with multi-million-dollar corporations for terms of insurance, employment or financial services.

Anything else would be an affront to God and the Free Market.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:39:23am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@KellyannePolls: “We were always raised to respect the office of the presidency and its current occupant and the flag” #Hannity
— Sean Hannity

You might have been raised to respect the office of the presidency and its current occupant, but you didn’t respect it or him the past eight years.

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:40:22am

re: #349 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Really, all over 60s should all be lumped together.


Kid.

Or kidding, it’s one or the other (or maybe both).

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:41:50am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ACA is perceived as immoral because it is socialistic and redistributive in nature.

After all, Freedom of Choice means that individuals & families with limited budgets and resources are free to negotiate one-to-one with multi-million-dollar corporations for terms of insurance, employment or financial services.

Anything else would be an affront to God and the Free Market.

Also because of the birth-control mandate

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:41:51am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:42:23am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dear sweet fancy Moses.

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lawhawk  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:42:53am

Another health care wonk to follow - and how the GOP are intent on destroying Obamacare by every means at their disposal, including reconciliation, which will gut the program by starving it - and then blame it on Democrats and Obama, when it is their own actions that created the conditions they seek to kill it.

Insidious, nefarious, and craven. That’s just the tip of the iceberg of what the GOP wants to do to force 20 million off insurance that they are paying for.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:43:23am

re: #343 Myron Falwell (no relation)

@AlecMacGillis Old white guy in Dr.’s waiting room, sitting next to me:”they said Obamacare would be repealed, not the Affordable Care Act!”

Oh, that’s a relief.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:43:37am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:43:48am

re: #303 wrenchwench

I think sanity is going to show up in the weirdest places. Like John Dean.

Dean’s been pretty sane, in my opinion at least, for 10 or more years—he wrote “Conservatives Without Conscience” in 2006.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:45:06am

re: #359 BeachDem

Dean’s been pretty sane, in my opinion at least, for 10 or more years—he wrote “Conservatives Without Conscience” in 2006.

He also wrote a short bio of President Warren Harding for the Presidents series, which was surprisingly pretty good.

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Citizen K  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:45:34am

At some point, I’m really starting to think it’s impossible to wrest the country back from the GOP. It’s like playing fucking Cassandra, where you’re constantly treated as wrong simply because you’re you, and any attempt to convince anyone outside of the choir simply makes you and everything you stand for more and more wrong, and when shit DOES go wrong, you’re to blame because…you’re you. And everyone fucking hates you.

It’s just…Christ. I know it’s defeatist, but fuck’s sake, I feel like the country wants me, us, everyone who thinks or looks like us to just fucking die, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. And they’ll win. Because they always fucking win. The country fucking LOVES them no matter what they do, no matter how temporary the lull in adoration is. This really is just their fucking country top to bottom, and no matter how hard we fight, we’ll always lose because this is their country, and we’re the reason it’s not ‘great’.

God, I know this feeling will pass, but it keeps coming back, and I just want to curl up and cry because of how futile everything feels.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:48:25am

re: #361 Citizen K

At some point, I’m really starting to think it’s impossible to wrest the country back from the GOP. It’s like playing fucking Cassandra, where you’re constantly treated as wrong simply because you’re you, and any attempt to convince anyone outside of the choir simply makes you and everything you stand for more and more wrong, and when shit DOES go wrong, you’re to blame because…you’re you. And everyone fucking hates you.

It’s just…Christ. I know it’s defeatist, but fuck’s sake, I feel like the country wants me, us, everyone who thinks or looks like us to just fucking die, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. And they’ll win. Because they always fucking win. The country fucking LOVES them no matter what they do, no matter how temporary the lull in adoration is. This really is just their fucking country top to bottom, and no matter how hard we fight, we’ll always lose because this is their country, and we’re the reason it’s not ‘great’.

God, I know this feeling will pass, but it keeps coming back, and I just want to curl up and cry because of how futile everything feels.

The bigoted dumbfucks just took the country back from intelligent people to remake America into a nightmare. Intelligent people can take it back from the toxic blockheads, and rebuild civilization. We’re inclusive. They reject more than half of Americans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:48:50am

re: #361 Citizen K

At some point, I’m really starting to think it’s impossible to wrest the country back from the GOP. …
God, I know this feeling will pass, but it keeps coming back, and I just want to curl up and cry because of how futile everything feels.

Even in my most optimistic moments, I realize that things have to get a lot worse, perhaps even catastrophically worse, before people are going to wake up and start improving things.

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Citizen K  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:50:04am

re: #362 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

The bigoted dumbfucks just took the country back from intelligent people to remake America into a nightmare. Intelligent people can take it back from the toxic blockheads, and rebuild civilization. We’re inclusive. They reject more than half of Americans.

They reject more than half of Americans, but keep at least 75% of the power with what they have left, no matter what we seem to do.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:51:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:51:38am

re: #364 Citizen K

They reject more than half of Americans, but keep at least 75% of the power with what they have left, no matter what we seem to do.

Our federal system helps, and gerrymandering does the rest to ensure that they stay in power even as their numbers dwindle…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:52:58am

re: #348 Belafon

after explaining that Obamacare literally saves this guy’s life, and charges him $0, he still doesn’t like it because: pic.twitter.com

— Jonathan Chait

What’s in the pic?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:52:59am

re: #364 Citizen K

They reject more than half of Americans, but keep at least 75% of the power with what they have left, no matter what we seem to do.

That’s for historical reasons. If not for the south’s terrible history, the far-right would have no foothold in America. If people continue to improve, and that’s driven by media and liberal churches, not government, the far-right is a dead-end subculture.

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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:53:20am

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our federal system helps, and gerrymandering does the rest to ensure that they stay in power even as their numbers dwindle…

Yep. And they know they’re really close to crossing that edge. And when they do, they won’t be coming back in the form they are now. And they’re going to try to burn it down before that happens. Which is why, even though this election is making my blood pressure nearly impossible to control, we have to fight the changes.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:53:44am

re: #361 Citizen K

At some point, I’m really starting to think it’s impossible to wrest the country back from the GOP. It’s like playing fucking Cassandra, where you’re constantly treated as wrong simply because you’re you, and any attempt to convince anyone outside of the choir simply makes you and everything you stand for more and more wrong, and when shit DOES go wrong, you’re to blame because…you’re you. And everyone fucking hates you.

It’s just…Christ. I know it’s defeatist, but fuck’s sake, I feel like the country wants me, us, everyone who thinks or looks like us to just fucking die, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. And they’ll win. Because they always fucking win. The country fucking LOVES them no matter what they do, no matter how temporary the lull in adoration is. This really is just their fucking country top to bottom, and no matter how hard we fight, we’ll always lose because this is their country, and we’re the reason it’s not ‘great’.

God, I know this feeling will pass, but it keeps coming back, and I just want to curl up and cry because of how futile everything feels.

It’s taken more than 50 years for the conservatives to fully subvert the Republican Party and take over the government. This house of cards won’t collapse instantly but it will collapse.

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Citizen K  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:53:45am

re: #368 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

That’s for historical reasons. If not for the south’s terrible history, the far-right would have no foothold in America. If people continue to improve, and that’s driven by media and liberal churches, not government, the far-right is a dead-end subculture.

If. If. And that If seems to becoming more and more of a pipe dream.

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Scottishdragon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:56:48am

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Which is a bit of a shame really, since she seems like a nice kid. I have her first Christmas album.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:57:05am
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:57:22am

re: #371 Citizen K

If. If. And that If seems to becoming more and more of a pipe dream.

If people get worse, and there is no historical arc toward justice, humanity deserves whatever come to us. I’ll hope for the best, and toast marshmallows in the flaming rubble if the worst occurs.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:58:28am

re: #373 Jebediah, RBG

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Scottishdragon  Jan 4, 2017 • 11:59:36am
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Scottishdragon  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:00:26pm
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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:00:44pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:02:36pm

re: #361 Citizen K

At some point, I’m really starting to think it’s impossible to wrest the country back from the GOP. It’s like playing fucking Cassandra, where you’re constantly treated as wrong simply because you’re you, and any attempt to convince anyone outside of the choir simply makes you and everything you stand for more and more wrong, and when shit DOES go wrong, you’re to blame because…you’re you. And everyone fucking hates you.

It’s just…Christ. I know it’s defeatist, but fuck’s sake, I feel like the country wants me, us, everyone who thinks or looks like us to just fucking die, and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. And they’ll win. Because they always fucking win. The country fucking LOVES them no matter what they do, no matter how temporary the lull in adoration is. This really is just their fucking country top to bottom, and no matter how hard we fight, we’ll always lose because this is their country, and we’re the reason it’s not ‘great’.

God, I know this feeling will pass, but it keeps coming back, and I just want to curl up and cry because of how futile everything feels.

What you describe as ‘the country’ is, in my mind, a tiny minority of the country. They are reacting like they discovered their majorityhood, but they didn’t. They won one with help from their fellow jerks from across the world. We will outlive that tiny victory.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:03:07pm

re: #317 gocart mozart

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Trump needs constant reinforcement and attention telling him he is great. Such a needy man. boy. infant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:03:33pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

What you describe as ‘the country’ is, in my mind, a tiny minority of the country. They are reacting like they discovered their majorityhood, but they didn’t. They won one with help from their fellow jerks from across the world. We will outlive that tiny victory.

I hope that your optimism is well founded…

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Scottishdragon  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:04:21pm

Seriously, I did call both my asshole senators today and told the office people that if they break our insurance, we will send all our medical bills to their offices and direct all collections calls to them as well.

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Kragar  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:04:41pm
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Joe Bacon  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:05:14pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the press goes slurp, slurp, slurp as they kiss his ass…

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:05:38pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Another lie. The truth: Evancho’s album is on its way to the bottom. @realDonaldTrump


2:19 PM - 4 Jan 2017
29 29 Retweets 77 77 likes

I created this just for this type of Trumpism…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:05:45pm

re: #373 Jebediah, RBG

Question of the Day: Who do you believe? Julian Assange or President Obama and Hillary Clinton #Hannity
— Sean Hannity

You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you?

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:06:36pm

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hope that your optimism is well founded…

I hope so, too. My powers of analysis ain’t what they used to be. But optimism seems to come from surviving a serious, but not pain-ridden, trauma.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:07:29pm

re: #385 ObserverArt

Save that pic with the sock in his mouth. It is priceless.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:07:41pm

good fucking grief…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:08:09pm

How people paid for healthcare in the olden days before anyone thought of the newfangled, modern notion of “money”

Sue Lowden’s plan to pay for health care? “Bring a chicken to the doctor”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:08:13pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

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Only for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, surely?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:08:26pm

re: #361 Citizen K

This country has taken so much for granted.

Maybe I’ve repeating myself, but after Brexit I remember hearing an economist on BBC comment that “Political stability is like air; you don’t notice it until it’s gone.” I fear we’re about to notice it in a way we’ve never seen before in our lifetimes.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:08:34pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

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But not tax returns for presidents and presidential nominees, right?

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wrenchwench  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:09:15pm

re: #382 Scottishdragon

Seriously, I did call both my asshole senators today and told the office people that if they break our insurance, we will send all our medical bills to their offices and direct all collections calls to them as well.

My senators are about the best things this state has going for it. One has produced some constituent service for me ( knocked a penalty off an unpaid tax, and more time to pay what’s left).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:09:43pm
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Belafon  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:09:56pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

Because, after a president leaves office, those who pay for his library are going to have a lot of influence on his administration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:12:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:12:49pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:15:52pm

re: #392 InfidelOfFreedom

This country has taken so much for granted.

Maybe I’ve repeating myself, but after Brexit I remember hearing an economist on BBC comment that “Political stability is like air; you don’t notice it until it’s gone.” I fear we’re about to notice it in a way we’ve never seen before in our lifetimes.

Couple that with this futurist’s rather sobering prediction.

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plansbandc  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:18:40pm

re: #250 makeitstop

I like him. And I think to a degree, he has a point.

That said, Bourdain himself overlooks the fact that many of those ‘gun-country’ Americans hated people like me long before Trump was even a thing.

And I like that he goes in on Maher. In that respect, he’s on point. Maher’s a smug prick.

I loathe Maher. Stopped watching him years ago because of his patronizing bs with female guests.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:19:03pm

Hey Kellyanne…

What’s your game…can anybody play!

I’d ask her if she also remembers a time when people didn’t outright lie. She’s a paid* liar.

*If the checks clear.

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ObserverArt  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #388 PhillyPretzel

Save that pic with the sock in his mouth. It is priceless.

I created it last night…so yeah, it is saved. I plan to do a lot of Trump iamges.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:44:07pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 4, 2017 • 12:54:25pm

re: #386 Sir John Barron

He does seem to actually be dumber than the average Fox pundit.
Unless you meant me, in which case, res ipsa loquitur…

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gocart mozart  Jan 4, 2017 • 1:15:26pm
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Gargravarr  Jan 4, 2017 • 2:03:16pm

I went to YouTube just to read the flat-Earther comments. Because I still had some lingering faith in humanity that needed to die. Mission accomplished.


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