Video: Rachel Maddow Exposes Trump’s Blatant Lies About the Russian Intel Report

Our president-elect is a pathological liar
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Donald Trump came out of his intelligence briefing on Friday and issued a statement that was a blatant, obvious, easily checked lie. We had an article about this yesterday at LGF, and here’s Rachel Maddow making the same points: the report released by the Director of National Intelligence does not say there was “absolutely no effect” on the presidential election.

And Donald Trump is continuing the lies today on Twitter:

False. The report states clearly that the RNC was hacked, but Russia simply didn’t release their stolen data, because their objective was to harm the Hillary Clinton campaign.

False. As explained above, the report states:

We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election.

It’s also misleading for Trump to say “voting machines not touched.” That statement is not in the report at all. James Clapper stated a few days ago that they had “no evidence” voting machines were tampered with, but that’s obviously not the same as Trump’s categorical denial.

I still find it hard to wrap my mind around the fact that we’re about to inaugurate a president who’s a frighteningly insecure, appallingly ignorant, pathologically dishonest egomaniacal blowhard with ties to the farthest of the far right, as a result of an election that was clearly influenced by a hostile foreign power.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 7, 2017 • 1:56:33pm

Serious question. When does Trump tell the truth?

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 1:57:44pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Serious question. When does Trump tell the truth?

He doesn’t. And that’s not a snarky sarcastic answer.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 1:58:00pm
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TedStriker  Jan 7, 2017 • 1:58:49pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Serious question. When does Trump tell the truth?

When he can profit from it.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 1:59:36pm

The cowardice and venality of the GOP as they continue to enable and excuse this situation is fucking horrifying.

I will never, never forgive or forget this.

Party and power over country.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:00:52pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Serious question. When does Trump tell the truth?

When he talks about his daughter & other women.

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b.d.  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:01:08pm

Donald isn’t playing with Little Marco or Low Energy Jeb anymore, he’s playing with some folks who know how to really f*ck with his world.

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:01:40pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Welcome to the Post-Factual age.

Truth is irrelevent. It is all what benefits him at the moment. And as the moment changes, so does the story. Harry Franfurt’s “Bullshit”.

If our lives and well-being weren’t at stake, some might find it entertaining. I guess…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:03:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:07:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:11:59pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:16:10pm

Doesn’t matter how well it’s refuted. The media already repeated Trumps claims, so that narrative is out there, and no amount of post facto debunking will undo that.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:16:42pm

OT but the snow is now falling.

lb.511.idaho.gov

Tomorrow morning is going to be fun. Hope they got the bus running.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:25:01pm

blech

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:25:23pm

Well, mr. klys is feeling good enough to go into the city. Hooray!

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:27:53pm

re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, mr. klys is feeling good enough to go into the city. Hooray!

Enjoy your present, whatever it is! Glad you’re getting to go.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:28:51pm

As Krugman noted last night, the only reason Trump could be acting like this is because the Russian hacking story has legs, that it is more devastating to his future that Dubya being crowned by SCOTUS. In that case, at least the electoral interference was by a branch of the US gov’t. Here, a foreign power had its thumb on the scale and Trump can’t make that fact go away no matter how hard he flails his little fists.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:29:20pm

You guys are not going to freaking believe this one…

Performed by a cast of eight, Marom’s musical is Christmas themed. Bernie Sanders is Jewish, but that doesn’t matter. “Like Santa, Bernie is kind of the ultimate giver. No one gets left behind. No matter your means or background, you get a visit from him. Only his gifts are the exact opposite of Santa’s consumerism-fest,” says Marom. Her spectacle is also postapocalyptic and takes place in the year 2132: Global warming has washed away the eastern coast of the United States, and the characters have gathered for their holiday on the new shore — in Cleveland.

Christmas is obsolete in 2132; instead the characters assemble to celebrate NotMeUs, a festival fixated on Sanders, who has returned to Earth in the form of Sanders Claus. Elders gather the children around to recount the legend of this winter celebration — the story of how our country fell into ruin after failing to heed Bernie’s warnings, but after adopting his policies returned to prosperity — and to sing carols about the decline of corporate greed.

The musical seems to suggest the world we might have had today, if only things hadn’t gone so wrong. It’s a world where posterity does, in fact, thank us for the things we’ve done. A world where single-payer healthcare is common sense. Where windmills and turbines and big solar panels are lawn decorations. It’s also a world that looks an awful lot like Burlington, Vermont.

Songs kinda go like this…

…to the tune of “Santa Baby”…

Santa Bernie,

Please slip some healthcare under the tree, for me…

Been a pauper all year;

Santa Bernie, so hurry to the White House right now!

and…

And as the days went by,

Not a one could deny

There was cray-cray excitement in endless supply.

From city to city,

Time flies when you’re giddy

And those kiddies were pretty high…
**The actors belted out their song from the Gospel According to WikiLeaks, what I assume is the 22nd-century Bible, and they marched in circles around the coffee table with a big Bernie flag. From her station by the cheese plate, Meira jumped in with notes: The seven-year-old with the blue hair needed more enthusiasm. That lyric about fracking and corporate greed? Spoken, not sung.**

and…

O little town of Burlington

You rare, enchanting gem

Secure from real estate tycoons

The Bern hath vanquished them

Enlightened and progressive, so hip and full of spunk…

Whence this musical treasure?

“There’s room in the Revolution for rhyme and whimsy,” Marom told me in August. A 36-year-old after-school program teacher, she had spent much of the previous months traveling around the country, canvassing and door-knocking for her candidate. A fourteen-hour bus ride to South Carolina here, a weekend trip to New England there. Along the way Marom had assembled a team of equally passionate and concerned voters with whom she could form a theater company.

During a blizzard in New Hampshire she met a stage manager from Harlem, and in Coney Island she met a seven-year-old with blue hair and an innate love for crotchety political candidates. On a bus she met Skittlez, a professional fire-breather with a Bernie tattoo on his elbow; in Boston, a filmmaker named Jeremy Kaplan, a dead ringer for circa-‘69 John Lennon, who agreed to document her musical.

Feel the Bern.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:30:30pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:30:38pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:38:51pm

Trump and the rest of the GOPers better worry about the RNC info too. I bet there is some great stuff in that hack and the Russians would hold that for a convenient time to use it on who ever it need be directed at.

And I bet they have a very big stack of all kinds of juicy stuff on Trump. His arrogance in all of this is going to cause him big problems.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:39:31pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:42:20pm

Shit. I’m seeing on Facebook that some asshole or assholes are throwing poisoned bread into the back yards of people who have dogs. Someone just had to rush their dog to the animal emergency clinic. What kind of a slime bag do you have to be to do this?? Is it an old creep or a young creep? I hope they catch this guy (you know it’s a guy) soon.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:42:45pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

He doesn’t. And that’s not a snarky sarcastic answer.

I doubt he is capable of telling the truth after all this time and his experience of years of lying. His brain may no longer be capable of identifying the truth in anything. He is too practiced and when his mouth opens lies are the default output.

If he told the truth it would still be in a lie.

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No Depression  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:42:54pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

That’s fucking creepy.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:44:42pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:47:18pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

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They left some words off the end of that one sentence.

Should be: will “lead to more jobs that don’t pay enough for anyone in Kentucky to live on.”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:47:50pm

re: #23 stpaulbear

Shit. I’m seeing on Facebook that some asshole or assholes are throwing poisoned bread into the back yards of people who have dogs. Someone just had to rush their dog to the animal emergency clinic. What kind of a slime bag do you have to be to do this?? Is it an old creep or a young creep? I hope they catch this guy (you know it’s a guy) soon.

We lost a beloved German Shepard to this tactic years ago.

Nasty neighbor was moving out…threw something over the wall to kill our dog. The vet thought it was meat laced with Snarol. Our dog died in convulsions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:47:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:49:15pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

Not only will they pay less, they’ll be tougher to keep.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:50:11pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

You guys are not going to freaking believe this one…

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Songs kinda go like this…

and…

and…

Whence this musical treasure?

Feel the Bern.

So…I guess in that scenario there are a lot of islands between the shores of Cleveland and what used to be the east coast???

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:50:21pm

re: #25 No Depression

That’s fucking creepy.

It’s a cult.

You wonder if we are watching a new form of Scientology or some shit like that happening in real time. (LGM noted this also)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:50:26pm

re: #28 Scottishdragon

If I said what I really wanted to I would get banned.

Suffice to say I take a very VERY dim view of people who are cruel to animals.

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BeachDem  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:51:37pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:51:49pm

Watching more of The Man in the High Castle.
Seeing how the Germans and Japanese divide up North America got me wondering where the Chinese and Russian zones will be divided once Trump has achieved his goals.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:52:44pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

You guys are not going to freaking believe this one…

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Songs kinda go like this…

and…

and…

Whence this musical treasure?

Feel the Bern.

Moonbats like that are why we can’t have nice things.

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b.d.  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:53:28pm

My guess is now that Reince will be coming up with an excuse for plagiarism

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:53:36pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

If I said what I really wanted to I would get banned.

Suffice to say I take a very VERY dim view of people who are cruel to animals.

I was gone ice climbing in Yosemite when it happened. If I had been home, I would almost certainly have gone to jail, because I would have loaded my deer rifle and gone looking for them. I loved that dog and I would absolutely have killed the kid who had lived next to us that did it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:54:19pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

You guys are not going to freaking believe this one…

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Songs kinda go like this…

and…

and…

Whence this musical treasure?

Feel the Bern.

Okay I get admiring a politician but this borders on cultish stuff that I see from Trump fans.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:55:00pm

re: #23 stpaulbear

Shit. I’m seeing on Facebook that some asshole or assholes are throwing poisoned bread into the back yards of people who have dogs. Someone just had to rush their dog to the animal emergency clinic. What kind of a slime bag do you have to be to do this?? Is it an old creep or a young creep? I hope they catch this guy (you know it’s a guy) soon.

Sad. I hope they get caught.

Another bunch I’d love to see caught are the idiots that are destroying grave markers in Columbus’ oldest cemetery…Greenlawn. Some very nice classic markers that had statuary or very decorative carved stone have been destroyed in the oldest sections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:55:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:55:47pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Sermon on the Rolling Ball.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:56:49pm

re: #34 BeachDem

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:56:51pm

And frankly I’m amused by the idea of Bernie as a huge giver since he has little legislation passed to his name too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:57:10pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:58:00pm

re: #36 Timothy Watson

Moonbats like that are why we can’t have nice things.

And I wrote that before I read the rest of the story about how the nutjobs think Hillary stole the election, so you can bet they couldn’t be bothered to get off their asses and help her against Trump.

Assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:59:05pm

re: #36 Timothy Watson

Moonbats like that are why we can’t have nice things.

I almost thought this was a parody. I understand why people like Bernie but some of his diehards think he’s this allmighty figure. Some of em even call themselves Berniecrats, amusing given their guy ya know not being a Dem.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 2:59:58pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You nominated him Republicans. Fucking cowards.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:01:33pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:01:48pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

You nominated him Republicans. Fucking cowards.

Power and Party over Principle.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:02:10pm

This whole thing isn’t normal. It may bring down the GOP eventually but a lot of innocents are going to be screwed because the GOP has no integrity at all.

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wrenchwench  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:03:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:03:07pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

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Jesus.

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stpaulbear  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:03:19pm

re: #28 Scottishdragon

We lost a beloved German Shepard to this tactic years ago.

Nasty neighbor was moving out…threw something over the wall to kill our dog. The vet thought it was meat laced with Snarol. Our dog died in convulsions.

Oh God, so sorry.

Word is getting out and I know there are people willing to stay up late watching for this creep. He’s going to be in danger if he gets caught. I hope he gets the shit beat out of him.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:03:59pm

re: #43 Scottishdragon

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Heh…reminded me of this from months back.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:04:42pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I almost thought this was a parody. I understand why people like Bernie but some of his diehards think he’s this allmighty figure. Some of em even call themselves Berniecrats, amusing given their guy ya know not being a Dem.

There have been times where I’ve be blind about what an asshole a politician was, but I don’t think I’ve ever worshiped one like the Bernie/Trump supporters do.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:06:16pm

BBL. Made white bean chicken chili. 10 inches of snow outside. Gonna put on Star Trek Beyond and chill.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:07:23pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Even creepier, the yellow-typed caption says, “The distance is great, but our hearts are close.”

< shudder >

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:07:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:08:01pm

re: #54 stpaulbear

When I was visiting family in Ontario for Christmas, I heard of a serial animal killer in London, Ontario. Just awful.

thestar.com

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:08:34pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

Like Santa, Bernie is kind of the ultimate giver.

Yeah, he is a lot like Santa, in that most of the giving attributed to him is fictional.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:09:41pm

re: #56 Timothy Watson

There have been times where I’ve be blind about what an asshole a politician was, but I don’t think I’ve ever worshiped one like the Bernie/Trump supporters do.

Right. I mean I like Obama but I’d draw the line at a tattoo or worship like this is.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:10:07pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the squee shall inherit the earth….

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BeachDem  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:11:09pm

re: #43 Scottishdragon

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:11:57pm

re: #61 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Yeah, he is a lot like Santa, in that most of the giving attributed to him is fictional.

Ouch. But as I said earlier a lot of truth. I’d be more impressed with Sanders if he actually got shit done. Biden has the Americans With Disability Act, Violence Against Women Act, & helped stop Bork from being on the USSC. I respect that more than Bernie having grand ideas.

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BeachDem  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:14:33pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

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All I can say is, didn’t they make Putin look tall.
Oh, and spit.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:15:54pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:18:28pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Bernie did vote against the Brady Bill… so he did do something.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:20:39pm

re: #68 GlutenFreeJesus

Bernie did vote against the Brady Bill… so he did do something.

And he sponsored that bill that critics called one of the worst environmental racist acts in a long time too. I don’t hate Bernie but I hate he gets a pass whereas Clinton gets treated as a crypto Republican.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:21:12pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

The Sermon on the Rolling Ball.

“Run the ball unceasingly for your entire life. There will be pie in the sky afterward!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:23:03pm

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

“Run the ball unceasingly for your entire life. There will be pie in the sky afterward!”

Pisco Pilot crucified Guinea Pig Jesus.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:23:29pm

re: #66 BeachDem

All I can say is, didn’t they make Putin look tall.
Oh, and spit.

At 6’6”, King Felipe VI of Spain is nearly a foot taller than Vlad Putin:

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Timothy Watson  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:26:53pm

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:27:15pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel

At 6’6”, King Felipe VI of Spain is nearly a foot taller than Vlad Putin:

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Putin is pretty short which makes those Obama is Putin’s bitch memes look all the more silly. Putin is a thin skinned little man still not over the USSR’s break up and uses whatever he can- homophobia, nationalism, and Trump to maintain his power.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:27:56pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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I like the ALCU a lot but they couldn’t be more wrong here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:29:32pm

There is a third way between thinking Snowden deserves death and he deserves to be treated as a hero.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:29:44pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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Every time I start finding myself thinking highly of the ACLU, they put something like this out and remind me that they’re idealists at best and ideologically hidebound at worst.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:32:27pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Every time I start finding myself thinking highly of the ACLU, they put something like this out and remind me that they’re idealists at best and ideologically hidebound at worst.

Their hearts are often in the right place but I think they can be naive as fuck too. Snowden endangered lives with what he did. He’s also a bloody hypocrite too hiding out under Vlad’s protection.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:33:02pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I don’t hate Bernie but I hate he gets a pass whereas Clinton gets treated as a crypto Republican.

Bernie gets credit for what he’d like to do. Hillary never does. In a comparison of an actual real-world career with a perfect world hypothetical, of course the latter comes out looking better.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:34:34pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There is a third way between thinking Snowden deserves death and he deserves to be treated as a hero.

LIES! LIES AND SLANDER!!!!

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b.d.  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:34:48pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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Snowden wouldn’t come back to the US if he got a pardon, he’s already home. Kinda like how Greenwald said he wasn’t going to move back to America because they didn’t recognize his husband.

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wrenchwench  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:34:57pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

This alien being just continues to blow me away.

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That’s as good as sibling harmonies, and one of them is not human. (Or both.)

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No Depression  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:35:01pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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I don’t agree with them here but I’m having a hard time mustering any outrage over this. The good they do vastly outweighs the bad, and we’ll need them to fight Trumpism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:35:58pm

re: #79 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Bernie gets credit for what he’d like to do. Hillary never does. In a comparison of an actual real-world career with a perfect world hypothetical, of course the latter comes out looking better.

Indeed. I don’t doubt Bernie’s heart being in the right place but I don’t see him as an effective leader either. It’s frustrating since he’s not young and has been around. I think he’d rather be right than have some progress.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:42:39pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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Earlier today Wife and I were planning on reprogramming our spare shekels. in an effort to focus, I pushed for established organizations with a proven record—SPLC, NAACP, and ACLU.

Oh well, theirs is still a good theory.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:44:32pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Earlier today Wife and I were planning on reprogramming our spare shekels. in an effort to focus, I pushed for established organizations with a proven record—SPLC, NAACP, and ACLU.

Oh well, theirs is still a good theory.

I get the SPLC’s posts on Facebook. They’re such a great group. I think highly of the NAACP and ACLU too.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:45:40pm

Our new @amazonecho won’t tell us if Bernie woulda won, is a neoliberal sellout


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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:46:16pm

Five men at atomic ground zero

On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads.

This was Operation Plumbbob John, July 19, 1957.

This weapon was later known as AIR-2 Genie. Most sources give the yield as 1.5 KT and the height of this detonation as 18-20K feet. The Genie was deployed operationally on F-89, F-101, and F-106 interceptors. Over 3000 were made and it remained in service until the last F-106 was retired in 1986.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:47:10pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There is a third way between thinking Snowden deserves death and he deserves to be treated as a hero.

If he broke any laws, he should be punished for doing so just like the rest of us mortals.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:48:18pm

re: #89 Patricia Kayden

If he broke any laws, he should be punished for doing so just like the rest of us mortals.

Exactly.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:48:39pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

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. Most sources give the yield as 1.5 KT and the height of this detonation as 18-20K feet. The Genie was deployed operationally on F-89, F-101, and F-106 interceptors. Over 3000 were made and it remained in service until the last F-106 was retired in 1986.

The Cold War: The only time in history where it seemed like a damned good idea to go around shooting down planes with nukes. (See: Nike anti-aircraft missiles.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:51:41pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

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You’re hot but you’re not warming baby!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:54:45pm

re: #91 thedopefishlives

The Cold War: The only time in history where it seemed like a damned good idea to go around shooting down planes with nukes. (See: Nike anti-aircraft missiles.)

And the earlier Bomarc, the kind that melted into the ground at Ft. Monmouth.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:55:53pm

re: #91 thedopefishlives

The Cold War: The only time in history where it seemed like a damned good idea to go around shooting down planes with nukes. (See: Nike anti-aircraft missiles.)

When your enemy sends more bombers than you’ve got fighters, a nuke that could clear the sky of a whole swath of them makes sense. Remember this is back during that period where “smart” missiles meant they sometimes hit what they were aimed at.

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wrenchwench  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:56:01pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Earlier today Wife and I were planning on reprogramming our spare shekels. in an effort to focus, I pushed for established organizations with a proven record—SPLC, NAACP, and ACLU.

Oh well, theirs is still a good theory.

I’ve had mixed feelings about the ACLU since the Skokie Nazi thing in the 70s.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:56:57pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

I’ve had mixed feelings about the ACLU since the Skokie Nazi thing in the 70s.

Their Purity of Essence is admirable.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:58:21pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

I’ve had mixed feelings about the ACLU since the Skokie Nazi thing in the 70s.

Someone had to do it. What amuses me though is they defend a lot of right wing asses like Limbaugh, Ollie North, etc and my one brother’s girlfriend’s father still refers to them as the American Criminal Liberties Union.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:59:37pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

When your enemy sends more bombers than you’ve got fighters, a nuke that could clear the sky of a whole swath of them makes sense. Remember this is back during that period where “smart” missiles meant they sometimes hit what they were aimed at.

It’s worth noting that the Nike, which is a favorite topic of mine due to the fact that my town used to be a Nike missile base, was removed from active service when ICBM’s became a thing in the 1960’s. It was smart enough to probably hit a B-52-sized target, which really isn’t saying all that much.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 3:59:49pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

I’ve had mixed feelings about the ACLU since the Skokie Nazi thing in the 70s.

Remember, that was back when the idea of a NAZI resurgence seemed absurd. Simpler times.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:00:04pm

This one is for VB:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:00:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:00:38pm

re: #100 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Remember, that was back when the idea of a NAZI resurgence seemed absurd. Simpler times.

You had a lot more people who vividly remembered the actual Nazis in those days. Not as much of those left. I wish the grandparents of these alt-right punks would kick their asses.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:01:21pm

re: #99 thedopefishlives

It’s worth noting that the Nike, which is a favorite topic of mine due to the fact that my town used to be a Nike missile base, was removed from active service when ICBM’s became a thing in the 1960’s. It was smart enough to probably hit a B-52-sized target, which really isn’t saying all that much.

“Close” counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear AAA.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:02:14pm

re: #101 retired cynic

This one is for VB:

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I actually have a nesting doll of Russian/Soviet leaders that I got in Berlin some years ago. I’m hoping that when I go back to Berlin this summer that I can get a more detailed one that maybe will have Trump in it heh.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:03:42pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

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This was Operation Plumbbob John, July 19, 1957.

This weapon was later known as AIR-2 Genie. Most sources give the yield as 1.5 KT and the height of this detonation as 18-20K feet. The Genie was deployed operationally on F-89, F-101, and F-106 interceptors. Over 3000 were made and it remained in service until the last F-106 was retired in 1986.

How long till they died of cancer? Wow.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:05:20pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

“Close” counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear AAA.

I actually have to walk my statement back a little bit. The Nike Hercules, the same missile as is standing in the town park, was actually still deployed in Europe until 1988. Apparently, we just lacked the technology to deliver precision long-range anti-aircraft weapons until the 1980’s.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:05:30pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

How long till they died of cancer? Wow.

That was the era when kids went down to the shoe store on Saturdays to do recreational x-rays of their feet.

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wrenchwench  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:09:16pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

That was the era when kids went down to the shoe store on Saturdays to do recreational x-rays of their feet.

Mr. w did that.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:09:21pm

“Transformer-like”?
WTF CNN?…

The designer of this Transformer-like “robot-powered suit” insists it’s real and could be used for dangerous rescue…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:12:17pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Mr. w did that.

They didn’t record the exposures, so there’s no lethality data. The poor schlubs who ran the shoe stores were getting most of the burden.

en.wikipedia.org

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:16:06pm

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

“Transformer-like”?
WTF CNN?…

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Yes, clearly the apposite reference is Aliens.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:17:27pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

How long till they died of cancer? Wow.

Wikipedia:

In 2012 the photographer and the last survivor of the five met in a restaurant in Dallas to reminisce. The photographer, Akira “George” Yoshitake, died in October 2013, and the last of the six, Donald A. Luttrell, died December 2014.

All 6 men developed cancer at one time or another, though several of them lived into their 80s, and Luttrell lived to 91. How not to watch an overhead nuclear test

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:17:48pm

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

“Transformer-like”?
WTF CNN?…

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Personally, when I first saw it, I immediately thought of the combat mechs from Avatar.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:19:39pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Every time I start finding myself thinking highly of the ACLU, they put something like this out and remind me that they’re idealists at best and ideologically hidebound at worst.

I look at it this way: the ACLU are on the outer ramparts of the Constitution, fighting often for the worst people like Nazis and Klansmen to ensure that our Constitutional rights aren’t eroded. I admire them for that.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:20:31pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Wikipedia:

All 6 men developed cancer at one time or another, though several of them lived into their 80s, and Luttrell lived to 91. How not to watch an overhead nuclear test

I gotta admit, in the day and age where a nuclear war is starting to seem more and more likely, that provides some hope.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:20:54pm

re: #112 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Yes, clearly the apposite reference is Aliens.

Avatar or any of probably a dozen choices in the Japanese anime robot suit genre

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:22:59pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

And the earlier Bomarc, the kind that melted into the ground at Ft. Monmouth.

My father was part of a civil service team that did field modification/upgrade to Bomarcs in 1960-ish. It was just a job, and an interesting one, but they had to be very careful and the missiles were pretty much live and ready to go even while they were working.

On the one hand, defense is a dangerous business. On the other hand, it’s objectively almost totally insane, the kind of things this country put up with as normal in the Cold War… RFNA propellant and 10KT nukes almost in people’s backyards. *shudder*

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:24:25pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

Avatar or any of probably a dozen choices in the Japanese anime robot suit genre

Sorry, I’m sticking with the movie that has characters and dialog I can actually remember.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:24:49pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:27:42pm

re: #118 Pawn of the Oppressor

My father was part of a civil service team that did field modification/upgrade to Bomarcs in 1960-ish. It was just a job, and an interesting one, but they had to be very careful and the missiles were pretty much live and ready to go even while they were working.

On the one hand, defense is a dangerous business. On the other hand, it’s objectively almost totally insane, the kind of things this country put up with as normal in the Cold War… RFNA propellant and 10KT nukes almost in people’s backyards. *shudder*

I actually drove through the roads that were formerly part of the old Nike missile base a couple of weeks back. It’s about 1/4 mile from the current extent of the town. An accident and a bad gust of wind from the northwest would’ve had disastrous consequences.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:28:24pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Wikipedia:

All 6 men developed cancer at one time or another, though several of them lived into their 80s, and Luttrell lived to 91. How not to watch an overhead nuclear test

Thanks! Not bad.

I see hope.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:29:54pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:30:37pm

re: #116 thedopefishlives

I figure it’s only a matter of time before Assange and Alex Jones start telling us that only American or perhaps Israeli radiation is dangerous, while Russian rads are pure and clean like their intentions.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:30:59pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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All we’ve been seeing since November is the effort to monetize access to the president-elect and his incoming administration. Anybody with any level of connection to him, whether by blood, marriage, or cash, has suddenly become a major player in business as well as politics. And if the GOP succeeds in undoing nepotism laws, he might very well be able to bring his own kids into the pot, further blurring the lines between his business interests and the political actions of this nation.

But, you know, EMAILS!!!!!1111

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:33:25pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

They didn’t record the exposures, so there’s no lethality data. The poor schlubsw who ran the shoe store were getting most of the burden.

en.wikipedia.org

I’m, ummm, 69. I x-rayed my feet, for sure. My grandfather was born in 1892, and he was a shoe salesman for some decades. He died at 92, never having had cancer. I have no idea what that anecdote means!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:34:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:34:40pm

re: #126 retired cynic

I’m, ummm, 69. I x-rayed my feet, for sure. My grandfather was born in 1892, and he was a shoe salesman for some decades. He died at 92, never having had cancer. I have no idea what that anecdote means!!

It means somebody else died at 28.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:36:39pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:38:29pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Moose looks as if it could just step over that fence.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:39:29pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 7, 2017 • 4:56:55pm

Heh, this is for Electrotek

The 1987 TV Miniseries That Predicted a Russian Takeover of America

If the election of an American president abetted by Russian interference seems stranger than fiction, you’re almost right. Exactly 30 years ago, in the midst of the Cold War, ABC aired a seven-night, 14-and-a-half-hour miniseries depicting life 10 years after the Soviet Union manipulates the presidential election as meek and deflated Americans shrug. “Amerika,” was heavily criticized at the time for peddling the histrionic premise of a bloodless coup. And while much of the production remains implausible, its core message is more relevant today than ever: They did it because we let them.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:02:13pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:06:13pm

re: #132 Amory Blaine

Yer late to the game with that one…

YouTube

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:14:46pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

That was the era when kids went down to the shoe store on Saturdays to do recreational x-rays of their feet.

Worse than X-rays - Fluoroscope! I heard a bit on NPR a few years back, a museum dedicated to the consumer uses of radioactivity. They have one of those machines, but it puts out so much radiation, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission won’t let them turn it on!

Mrs. FBW’s Dad and her Uncle both were apparently give some radiation treatment in their youth for allergies (or something), so in their 70s and 80s they’ve had to go repeatedly for removal of lesions from their faces.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:17:24pm

I saw Hidden Figures. Great movie. Go see it. I think it’s a great antidote to the election depression. These women had to fight for their positions and they were awesome.

And the theater was crowded here in red Texas.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:18:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:18:59pm
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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:21:38pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There is a third way between thinking Snowden deserves death and he deserves to be treated as a hero.

I believe he was turned by the Russians while in Europe and that everything he did was on Russian orders with the intent to damage the US. A hemp rope and a short drop would be an appropriate response to that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:22:31pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:22:45pm

re: #136 Belafon

I saw Hidden Figures. Great movie. Go see it. I think it’s a great antidote to the election depression. These women had to fight for their positions and they were awesome.

And the theater was crowded here in red Texas.

Going to try to see it tomorrow. We have a lot of snow in Southern MD so didn’t leave the house today. Hope it does well.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:23:06pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:25:13pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Remember, when using the ER check first to make sure treating your emergency doesn’t violate the deeply held religious convictions of the owners of the hospital.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:25:58pm

A comparison of costs that Donald Trump wants to stick the taxpayers with with his monument to racism (a southern border wall) from Addicting Info.

(Normally I look at that Website rather sceptically, since they often publish unsourced material, but this is accurate.)

… Mexico has repeatedly declared that they are not going to pay one dime for Trump’s wall. And such a wall would STILL not stop immigrants from crossing the border. Even the Berlin wall built by the Russians to keep East Germans from crossing over to West Berlin did not stop people from getting across, and that barrier was 12 to 15 feet in height made of concrete and boasted border guards and tanks prepared to kill anyone who dared try to escape. It even included “subsidiary walls, trenches, electric fences and an open “death strip” overseen by armed guards in 302 watchtowers.”

Plus, the Berlin Wall was only 97 miles long. The southern border between Mexico and the United States, however, is nearly 2,000 miles long and Trump claims his wall will only need to cover 1,000 miles of it. And that means it will be far more expensive than the Berlin Wall and would be far less effective unless Trump and the Republicans are proposing to militarize the wall like the Soviets did to the Berlin Wall. Of course, that would only make the cost skyrocket even higher and hurt America’s image as a beacon of freedom.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:26:42pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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You could TRY to work it Trump Fashion - go to the hospital, get the best possible care, then when the bill comes, scream at them that the work was shoddy, and they should pay you. Offer them pennies on the dollar, and it they take it, tell them you’ve got more work if they’re interested.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:29:55pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

I always bring a used syringe with me, then offer to split the settlement with the nurse/doc who hides it behind a kidney or lung while the surgeon isn’t looking. Sometimes you can actually come out ahead on the deal that way.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:32:22pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:40:00pm

I went to the men’s Democratic lunch here in Rockwall county that they hold every first Saturday. They went over the election numbers. To tell you how red we are, both Clinton and are state House candidate received 24% of the vote.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:42:12pm

re: #139 William Lewis

I believe he was turned by the Russians while in Europe and that everything he did was on Russian orders with the intent to damage the US. A hemp rope and a short drop would be an appropriate response to that.

Some of what Snowdon revealed (early on) should have been known by the public in the first place, so I’m in the “pin a medal on his chest and then hang him” school of reactions.

(The ACLU doesn’t look beyond the early stuff, since they’re completely focused on their single issue, and that kind of tunnel vision not only lets them do great good, but leads them way astray sometimes. I’ve been a supporter for many years, and I don’t plan on stopping, but I recognize their flaws.

(Also, I am TOTALLY against pardoning people in advance of convicting them, particularly when they insist that they’ve done nothing wrong.)

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:43:45pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:45:53pm

re: #81 b.d.

Snowden wouldn’t come back to the US if he got a pardon, he’s already home. Kinda like how Greenwald said he wasn’t going to move back to America because they didn’t recognize his husband.

Because we are now living in a kind of non-nationalist era of the malignant narcissist. There is an uneasy alliance of completely self-serving libertarian types of all stripes across the globe who have international access and support, and being held completely devoid of any and all actual responsibility for their actions (similar to actual real world Libertarian ideology itself). More terribly, they have for the most part been curated and directly supported by a very authoritarian Russia and specifically Putin and weaponized for use against traditional 20th century Democracies.

For the Narcissist Libertarian mindset, there is no such thing as a nation state or patriotism. It is literally every man for himself across the globe. Putin is all too willing to take complete advantage of this ideology and of specific individuals who have risen to the top of this movement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:47:07pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:50:34pm

A funny scene from the movie Hidden Figures that I really think applies to dealing with Trump:

Dorothy Vaughan, played by Octavia Spencer, is in the library, because she’s seen the new IBM computer NASA is going to use. She gets thrown out because she’s not in the colored section. On the bus home, she pulls out the book on Fortran (I was the only one who laughed). Her kid’s like “You stole that?” She responds “I’m a taxpayer and my taxes go to everything in that building.” She taught herself Fortran from that, ends up getting the IBM machine working, and ends up becoming supervisor over programming the mainframe.

Why do I think it applies? We have to work our butts off like the women did, and push the boundaries of what we should do beyond what might be considered acceptable behavior.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:55:03pm

re: #107 thedopefishlives

I actually have to walk my statement back a little bit. The Nike Hercules, the same missile as is standing in the town park, was actually still deployed in Europe until 1988. Apparently, we just lacked the technology to deliver precision long-range anti-aircraft weapons until the 1980’s.

The Canadians had a supply of nuclear armed Bomarc CIM-10 SAMs (with W40 nuke warhead) and over 100 Genie nuclear rockets for the CAF-101 Voodoo fighters.

(also 4 Honest John IRBM’s with 16 nuclear warheads assigned to the Canadian Army in Germany and an unknown number (90 - 210) of free fall tactical nuclear bombs that could be fitted to F-104 fighters)

The Bomarc missiles look ike something from a 50’s sci fi rocket movie. Classic huge delta wings with long, slender fuselage. They had a crazy range…over 250 miles (later version was over 400) and were controlled through the SAGE network by NORAD until they closed within about 10 miles and the onboard radar guided for terminal intercept.

The problem was that they were obsolete by the time they were finally all deployed.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 5:55:58pm

re: #149 Belafon

I went to the men’s Democratic lunch here in Rockwall county that they hold every first Saturday. They went over the election numbers. To tell you how red we are, both Clinton and are state House candidate received 24% of the vote.

Statewide, my state had nearly 80% voter turnout; 74.87% of the vote went to Mr. Trump, 19.99% to Sec’y Clinton, 4.37% to Gov. Gary Johnson, and 0.77% to Dr. Jill Stein.

In my county, Donald Trump got 82.51% (1,260 votes) of the vote, Hillary Clinton 17.49% (284 votes), the rest to Gary Johnson and Jill Stein (61 votes).

In my precinct (my township), Trump got 86.58% (343 votes), Clinton 11.36% (46 votes), Johnson 3.21% (8 votes), and Stein 0.74% (2 votes).

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:00:15pm

re: #156 Anymouse

By comparison, in my village board reëlection in 2014, I got more votes than Clinton, Stein, and Johnson put together and won by four votes.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:00:32pm

re: #156 Anymouse

Our county has 90K people, which includes adults and children. 56K are registered voters. We had 71% turn out for the election.

Dallas county, which went for Clinton, only had 59% of its voters turn out. If the numbers for Houston and San Antonio were similar, we could flip the state just by getting those three cities to voter near their registered vote totals.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:01:03pm

re: #155 Scottishdragon

The Canadians had a supply of nuclear armed Bomarc CIM-10 SAMs (with W40 nuke warhead) and over 100 Genie nuclear rockets for the CAF-101 Voodoo fighters.

(also 4 Honest John IRBM’s with 16 nuclear warheads assigned to the Canadian Army in Germany and an unknown number (90 - 210) of free fall tactical nuclear bombs that could be fitted to F-104 fighters)

The Bomarc missiles look ike something from a 50’s sci fi rocket movie. Classic huge delta wings with long, slender fuselage. They had a crazy range…over 250 miles (later version was over 400) and were controlled through the SAGE network by NORAD until they closed within about 10 miles and the onboard radar guided for terminal intercept.

The problem was that they were obsolete by the time they were finally all deployed.

That’s the story of much of the Cold War: By the time the newest killer piece of tech was finally ready for deployment, it had already been superseded by something far more advanced. You’d dump billions into a new fighter, then find out that all the bells and whistles were yesterday’s news. The key was to build so many of the damned things that the new fighter built to defeat it was simply outnumbered.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:05:43pm
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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:07:02pm

re: #155 Scottishdragon

The Canadians had a supply of nuclear armed Bomarc CIM-10 SAMs (with W40 nuke warhead) and over 100 Genie nuclear rockets for the CAF-101 Voodoo fighters.

(also 4 Honest John IRBM’s with 16 nuclear warheads assigned to the Canadian Army in Germany and an unknown number (90 - 210) of free fall tactical nuclear bombs that could be fitted to F-104 fighters)

The Bomarc missiles look ike something from a 50’s sci fi rocket movie. Classic huge delta wings with long, slender fuselage. They had a crazy range…over 250 miles (later version was over 400) and were controlled through the SAGE network by NORAD until they closed within about 10 miles and the onboard radar guided for terminal intercept.

The problem was that they were obsolete by the time they were finally all deployed.

Really that should read when designed. It was a bad idea from the get go.

But then these are the same idiots that thought Project Pluto was a good idea.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:09:07pm

re: #161 William Lewis

Really that should read when designed. It was a bad idea from the get go.

But then these are the same idiots that thought Project Pluto was a good idea.

A nuclear-powered cruise missile that flew at tree-top level doing Mach 3, carried smaller nuclear bombs, and shed parts of its highly-radioactive engine as it flew.

Sort of puts nuclear depth charges and landmines in perspective, doesn’t it?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:10:03pm

re: #155 Scottishdragon

The Canadians had a supply of nuclear armed Bomarc CIM-10 SAMs (with W40 nuke warhead) and over 100 Genie nuclear rockets for the CAF-101 Voodoo fighters.

(also 4 Honest John IRBM’s with 16 nuclear warheads assigned to the Canadian Army in Germany and an unknown number (90 - 210) of free fall tactical nuclear bombs that could be fitted to F-104 fighters)

The Bomarc missiles look ike something from a 50’s sci fi rocket movie. Classic huge delta wings with long, slender fuselage. They had a crazy range…over 250 miles (later version was over 400) and were controlled through the SAGE network by NORAD until they closed within about 10 miles and the onboard radar guided for terminal intercept.

The problem was that they were obsolete by the time they were finally all deployed.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:10:09pm

re: #161 William Lewis

Really that should read when designed. It was a bad idea from the get go.

But then these are the same idiots that thought Project Pluto was a good idea.

Yeah, that was a pretty bad idea.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:10:28pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

That’s the story of much of the Cold War: By the time the newest killer piece of tech was finally ready for deployment, it had already been superseded by something far more advanced. You’d dump billions into a new fighter, then find out that all the bells and whistles were yesterday’s news. The key was to build so many of the damned things that the new fighter built to defeat it was simply outnumbered.

This is still my favorite:

Project Pluto was utterly fucking nuts.

An unlimited range nuclear ramjet engine propelling a *16 warhead armed* cruise missile the size of a locomotive at mach 3 about 75 feet off the ground. It was estimated the shockwave from the missile alone would collapse many structures and kill a person standing in the open…and again, it could stay aloft for years just spewing insane amounts of radiation from the unshielded reactor and crushing the landscape with the mach 3 wavefront at tree top level…

This crazy bastard had so many ways to kill you, it was like a death buffet: should I die in the nuclear blasts of the bombs themselves, or just let the shockwave of the overpassing missile kill me? Maybe I’ll just wait for the radiation sickness as this thing circles endlessly overhead, like a colossal demonic robot vulture. It’s so hard to choose!

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:11:54pm

I see you all got there with Project Pluto before I did :)

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:12:21pm

re: #165 Scottishdragon

I’m glad I never was educated about this. GAH!

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:13:07pm

re: #167 retired cynic

I’m glad I never was educated about this. GAH!

The Cold War: Exciting time to be in the military. Dangerous as all get-out, but exciting.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:14:32pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:16:26pm

Then there was the Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion project, which was the Air Force trying to build a nuclear-powered bomber that could stay aloft indefinitely, dependent on nothing more than the endurance of the crew. Basically a nuclear submarine in the air, except a sub isn’t likely to come crashing to the earth and spread radioactive material across hundreds of miles.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:17:08pm

re: #167 retired cynic

I’m glad I never was educated about this. GAH!

Project Pluto was bleeding edge tech for the time. A guided cruise missile with the capacity to guide to multiple targets and with effectively infinite range… in the early 60’s. As a doomsday weapon, it would have been horrifyingly effective. However, ICBM’s proved to be much cheaper and didn’t have the problem of trying to launch something with an unshielded nuclear ramjet engine.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:18:33pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

Sadly, as discussed dowstairs, it doesn’t mean that. (If the grammar were tweaked a bit, it could be construed as something like “Make America swell again”).

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:18:48pm

re: #116 thedopefishlives

I gotta admit, in the day and age where a nuclear war is starting to seem more and more likely, that provides some hope.

Radiation can be lethal in several ways, like any other environmental contamination. Alpha particles are relatively slow and don’t penetrate very deep into your body. Beta particles (electrons) can penetrate deeper and can disrupt cells and DNA. Gamma can pass right through you and cause a lot of molecular damage. Proximity makes a big difference, too. A short burst of radiation from 10,000 feet away can damage your body, but your cells can recover given time. On the other hand, the hero of the Manhattan Project who prevented a mass of U-235 from going critical by manually separating the subcritical halves got a massive exposure of everything from a few feet away. He died horribly a few days later.

Prolonged exposure to even low-level radiation is a different story, a lot like ingesting small amounts of lead or mercury over time. Before medical experts realized X-ray machines and cathode-ray tubes (TV sets) were zapping everyone nearby with ionizing radiation, you could go to the shoe store and look at the bones of your feet while X-rays also coursed through other parts of your body, like your ‘nads. Now X-ray exposure is carefully regulated, especially for radiologists. Early CRTs also leaked lower level radiation as the electrons smacked into the metal anode behind the viewscreen (Brehmsstrahlung radiation is how X-ray tubes work). TV tubes were eventually shielded and the velocity of the electrons regulated to prevent ionizing radiation.

Fallout from a nuclear strike remains in the environment and the food chain for years, or longer, depending on the isotopes involved, with significant health effects. Ask people from Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:18:50pm

re: #171 Scottishdragon

Project Pluto was bleeding edge tech for the time. A guided cruise missile with the capacity to guide to multiple targets and with effectively infinite range… in the early 60’s. As a doomsday weapon, it would have been horrifyingly effective. However, ICBM’s proved to be much cheaper and didn’t have the problem of trying to launch something with an unshielded nuclear ramjet engine.

It really does read like Fallout lore. That’s insane!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:20:25pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:20:46pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Then there was the Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion project, which was the Air Force trying to build a nuclear-powered bomber that could stay aloft indefinitely, dependent on nothing more than the endurance of the crew. Basically a nuclear submarine in the air, except a sub isn’t likely to come crashing to the earth and spread radioactive material across hundreds of miles.

A lot of this tech shows up in the Cthulhu novella “A Colder War”.
link to the actual story above…

The bomber you mention and the Pluto missiles are featured prominently. The Russians have Eldar Gods bio tech (presumably so do we) and we have 12 Pluto missiles pointed at one single target in Russia that we assume to be an actual demi God resting in a repository.

Things go badly.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:21:19pm
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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:22:00pm

re: #166 Scottishdragon

I see you all got there with Project Pluto before I did :)

Great graphical illustration of the insanity though.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:24:00pm

re: #166 Scottishdragon

I see you all got there with Project Pluto before I did :)

Then there is the Convair X-6 nuclear powered strategic bomber.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:24:27pm

re: #176 Scottishdragon

A lot of this tech showst up in the Cthulhu novella “A Colder War”.
link to the actual story above…

The bomber you mention and the Pluto missiles are featured prominently. The Russians have Eldar Gods bio tech (presumably so do we) and we have 12 Pluto missiles pointed at one single target in Russia that we assume to be an actual demi God resting in a repository.

Things go badly.

AH, you read that bit of literature too. The best non-Lovecraft mythos story in my book.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:24:50pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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The same ACLU hell bent on backing Citizens United…

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:26:06pm

re: #173 wheat-dogg

Radiation can be lethal in several ways, like any other environmental contamination. Alpha particles are relatively slow and don’t penetrate very deep into your body. Beta particles (electrons) can penetrate deeper and can disrupt cells and DNA. Gamma can pass right through you and cause a lot of molecular damage. Proximity makes a big difference, too. A short burst of radiation from 10,000 feet away can damage your body, but your cells can recover given time. On the other hand, the hero of the Manhattan Project who prevented a mass of U-235 from going critical by manually separating the subcritical halves got a massive exposure of everything from a few feet away. He died horribly a few days later.

Prolonged exposure to even low-level radiation is a different story, a lot like ingesting small amounts of lead or mercury over time. Before medical experts realized X-ray machines and cathode-ray tubes (TV sets) were zapping everyone nearby with ionizing radiation, you could go to the shoe store and look at the bones of your feet while X-rays also coursed through other parts of your body, like your ‘nads. Now X-ray exposure is carefully regulated, especially for radiologists. Early CRTs also leaked lower level radiation as the electrons smacked into the metal anode behind the viewscreen (Brehmsstrahlung radiation is how X-ray tubes work). TV tubes were eventually shielded and the velocity of the electrons regulated to prevent ionizing radiation.

Fallout from a nuclear strike remains in the environment and the food chain for years, or longer, depending on the isotopes involved, with significant health effects. Ask people from Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl.

Actually, that was a plutonium core, and you’re referring to the Demon Core incidents.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:26:12pm

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:26:25pm

re: #180 William Lewis

AH, you read that bit of literature too. The best non-Lovecraft mythos story in my book.

Great story. Really chilling at points.

Amazing how the author even works in paleontologist Stephen Gould and the early Cambrian Burgess Shale Fauna :)

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:27:50pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Starting to regret that donation to the ACLU

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I don’t agree with them on this, but they’re going to go after Trump for some things and we’re going to need all the groups we can get. They have resources and infrastructure that very few others do.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:28:04pm

re: #154 Belafon

I’m sure the book was only available in the whites-only section because people then believed “coloreds” would be unable to understand it.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:29:05pm

re: #184 Scottishdragon

Great story. Really chilling at points.

Amazing how the author even works in paleontologist Stephen Gould and the early Cambrian Burgess Shale Fauna :)

Yep. The ambiguity of the ending is a bit unnerving as well.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:29:28pm

re: #186 wheat-dogg

I’m sure the book was only available in the whites-only section because people then believed “coloreds” would be unable to understand it.

Possibly, but it was also meant to keep blacks from advancing. The other characters have similar challenges to overcome.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:29:47pm

re: #181 Joe Bacon

The same ACLU hell bent on backing Citizens United…

Their view is a whole lot more nuanced than that, actually.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:30:38pm

re: #182 Teukka

Actually, that was a plutonium core, and you’re referring to the Demon Core incidents.

Thanks for the correction. I was too lazy to check my hazy memory. Been a while since I taught physics.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:31:41pm

re: #187 William Lewis

Yep. The ambiguity of the ending is a bit unnerving as well.

I don’t want to say anything else in response and spoil the end…anybody else reading this should take half an hour and go read the story.

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KingKenrod  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:31:59pm

re: #183 Eric The Fruit Bat

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:32:38pm

re: #183 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:33:10pm

re: #190 wheat-dogg

Thanks for the correction. I was too lazy to check my hazy memory. Been a while since I taught physics.

Also, the composite fictionalization in “Fat Man and Little Boy” stuck in most people’s minds.

The Demon Core 1945

Bonus TMI: Did you know that the aftermath of the criticality accident in “Fat Man and Little Boy” is way, way tamed down?

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:37:31pm

re: #188 Belafon

Possibly, but it was also meant to keep blacks from advancing. The other characters have similar challenges to overcome.

For sure. “Separate but equal” was a complete lie. Jim Crow was always intended to keep blacks in their place, by educating them less and denying them access to opportunities to advance.

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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:38:16pm

Just finished “Bright Lights”, very touching! I did not know Carrie was still smoking so many cigs. Amazing considering how everything ended.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:38:55pm

re: #194 Teukka

Also, the composite fictionalization in “Fat Man and Little Boy” stuck in most people’s minds.

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Bonus TMI: Did you know that the aftermath of the criticality accident in “Fat Man and Little Boy” is way, way tamed down?

Yes I did. I’m sure the writers tamed it down to get the show past the network censors.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:39:06pm

re: #194 Teukka

Also, the composite fictionalization in “Fat Man and Little Boy” stuck in most people’s minds.

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Bonus TMI: Did you know that the aftermath of the criticality accident in “Fat Man and Little Boy” is way, way tamed down?

I remember reading, thought I don’t remember where, that it scared certain scientists even more than Trinity. Trinty was simply a very big bang. High dosage radiation poisoning is near the top of shitty ways to die.

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makeitstop  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:40:00pm

re: #191 Scottishdragon

I don’t want to say anything else in response and spoil the end…anybody else reading this should take half an hour and go read the story.

I’ve got it open in another tab. Gonna read it tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks!

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:41:23pm

re: #199 makeitstop

Wait till morning. Then you’ll have all day before you have to try and sleep…

< whistles innocently >

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:46:26pm

re: #198 William Lewis

I remember reading, thought I don’t remember where, that it scared certain scientists even more than Trinity. Trinty was simply a very big bang. High dosage radiation poisoning is near the top of shitty ways to die.

Acute Radiation Syndrome is the shittiest way to die. Period. Imagine pain so powerful that Fentanyl — the strongest painkiller known to man — merely takes the edge off… There’s a reason why the BBC Docu-Drama from the 60’s that was mothballed for decades due to its realism, had a segment in it where survivors have to take to terminate patients with terminal ARS simply on the basis of being humane.
And no, I’m not going to ruin everyone’s evening by posting pics of real cases.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:47:08pm

re: #197 wheat-dogg

Yes I did. I’m sure the writers tamed it down to get the show past the network censors.

Thank you both for this conversation. I’m going to be doing a bit more research now.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:47:13pm

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

When I was visiting family in Ontario for Christmas, I heard of a serial animal killer in London, Ontario. Just awful.

thestar.com

My first thought on finishing that article?

The perp will be doing that to people next. A large number of serial killers start with animals.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:47:18pm

re: #201 Teukka

Thank you. :<

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:50:16pm

re: #198 William Lewis

I remember reading, thought I don’t remember where, that it scared certain scientists even more than Trinity. Trinty was simply a very big bang. High dosage radiation poisoning is near the top of shitty ways to die.

Most people nowadays have no idea of how bad radiation exposure is. Like Trump and Cruz, they just consider H-bombs as some kind of really, really big chemical bombs.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:51:34pm

OT: Hulu now has a trailer out for its upcoming serialisation of Handmaid’s Tale.

Might be worthwhile reading with an upcoming Pence Administration.

huffingtonpost.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:53:33pm

re: #205 wheat-dogg

Most people nowadays have no idea of how bad radiation exposure is. Like Trump and Cruz, they just consider H-bombs as some kind of really, really big chemical bombs.

Maybe this is an unintended consequence of the end of above ground testing. Not saying that’s a good idea, just saying it leaves us with leaders that don’t understand how awful those weapons are.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:53:34pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Remembering an old (very old) MAD magazine meme.

Army deploys atomic hand grenade. When it explodes it obliterates everything in a 50 yard radius.

Too bad the average soldier can only throw it 30 yards.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:55:47pm

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

Remembering an old (very old) MAD magazine meme.

Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:55:58pm

re: #207 Unshaken Defiance

Maybe this is an unintended consequence of the end of above ground testing. Not saying that’s a good idea, just saying it leaves us with leaders that don’t understand how awful those weapons are.

They should be taught …

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2017 • 6:56:37pm

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

“Transformer-like”?
WTF CNN?…

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It’s more like an Elemental suit.

But without an internal power source it’s still pretty much useless.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:02:01pm

re: #211 Romantic Heretic

It’s more like an Elemental suit.

But without an internal power source it’s still pretty much useless.

Well, not entirely, it’s just limited by the reach of its cord. But there’s plenty of jobs that you could probably replace a forklift with it. Construction could probably benefit from a greater range of motion and lift capacity.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:03:55pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Well, not entirely, it’s just limited by the reach of its cord. But there’s plenty of jobs that you could probably replace a forklift with it. Construction could probably benefit from a greater range of motion and lift capacity.

I suppose you could use one of the Project Pluto reactors… .

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:07:04pm

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

Remembering an old (very old) MAD magazine meme.

Army deploys atomic hand grenade. When it explodes it obliterates everything in a 50 yard radius.

Too bad the average soldier can only throw it 30 yards.

Since I am in a TMI mood: It obliterates everything within a 50 yard radius, yes. You forgot that it also showers everything within a 116 yard radius with enough neutrons and gamma rays to kill you*.

*Guaranteed. If you have not died within 72 hrs, you get your money back///

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:08:42pm

I’d go TMI on fallout (airburst, ground burst, etc) but I have to leave for work. BIAB.

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Moebym  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:11:57pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, now isn’t that just the cutest thing?

Oh, and RBG? Please hang on four more years.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:16:08pm

Warming trend here. Tonight’s low predicted to be 5 degrees F. Currently 2 F.

forecast.weather.gov

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:16:59pm

re: #217 Anymouse

Warming trend here. Tonight’s low predicted to be 5 degrees F. Currently 2 F.

forecast.weather.gov

Positively balmy. //

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:18:28pm
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unproven innocence  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:21:36pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

Maybe it’s the only kind of lighting that makes their pimples disappear. /
Oops. Apparently it was in broad daylight:

The fire in the single-family home on Dale Place in Uniondale was reported just after 3 p.m. Thursday, according to the police department.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:35:45pm

re: #220 unproven innocence

Maybe it’s the only kind of lighting that makes their pimples disappear. /
Oops. Apparently it was in broad daylight:

The steriods have crisped their brains.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:39:26pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

If these officers are found to be in violation of any department rules and regulations, they will be appropriately disciplined

“We looked for anything forbidding selfies at a fire scene, but nope, looks good.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:40:38pm

re: #209 William Lewis

Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:41:33pm

bbc.com

Israel’s ambassador to the UK has apologised after a senior member of his staff was secretly filmed saying he wanted to “take down” Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan.

Israeli Embassy senior political officer Shai Masot made the comment in footage filmed in a London restaurant and obtained by the Mail on Sunday.

He told a reporter that Sir Alan was creating “a lot of problems”.

Ambassador Mark Regev said this was not the embassy or government’s view.

More at the BBC

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 7, 2017 • 7:55:59pm

re: #202 Barefoot Grin

Thank you both for this conversation. I’m going to be doing a bit more research now.

Two comprehensive pages on the accidents - 1. Wikipedia’s entry on the so-called “Demon Core” which was the source of criticality that killed both Harry Daghlian and Louis Slotin, and 2. A small Tripod site on Daghlian’s incident which describes his medical symptoms on the second page, in far more detail than I’ve seen elsewhere:

en.wikipedia.org

arnold_dion.tripod.com

Slotin and Daghlian are both on-screen in the center at 5:10 in this video of assembling Trinity, which is government footage overlaid with the Deus Ex: Human Revolutions soundtrack (I bought the soundtrack after watching this video, actually)

First Atom Bomb Trinity Test Manhattan Project 15-16 July 1945

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:06:06pm

Well, sucks to be me. Had my left front tire blow out on the way to work. Can’t get to the spare because the lift gate at the rear of the mini van has been jammed shut for two years. I limped into work on the shreds of the tire hopefully not damaging the rim. I’ll try to get at the spare when it is daylight.

Happy Happy Joy Joy…

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Stanley Sea  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:08:11pm

re: #226 William Lewis

Damn William, that sucks.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:10:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:16:37pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:20:34pm

Wingnuts gotta wing:

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:23:45pm

re: #228 Anymouse

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:24:42pm

My son got hooked on reading, and especially mythology, because of his books.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:24:58pm

re: #230 Anymouse

Yep, just like he never existed…

Osama Bin Laden is going to be mighty relieved to hear that.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:25:00pm

re: #231 Belafon

His religious views should not be the law regardless of minority or no.

A couple of Wisconsinites arguing over the election:

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:26:30pm

How much has it snowed in the Sierra Nevada Mountains?

This much.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:26:58pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

How much has it snowed in the Sierra Nevada Mountains?

This much.

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YOW!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:27:36pm

If Electrotek or CuriousLurker are here, I wanted to know if they knew of any online Muslim Forums not filled with nuts or scolds. And those who are friendly between Sunnis and Shiites?

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:28:24pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

How much has it snowed in the Sierra Nevada Mountains?

This much.

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Wow. That’s a lot of snow.

Meanwhile in weird stuff from the VFW:

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:29:28pm

Fixed post above with correct tweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:29:52pm

re: #232 Belafon

My current employer has a major base of operations in Texas. I wonder how they’ll react to this.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:31:11pm

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:33:38pm

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

My current employer has a major base of operations in Texas. I wonder how they’ll react to this.

I’m hoping businesses throw a fit, though I suspect a lot of them will do it privately. I think Jerry Jones and family will have something to say to DFW legislators, considering part of the point of the stadium was non-football events.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:34:14pm

The only thing wrong with this meme on the American Legion hashtag is Republicans never cared about veteran. However, the rest of it is right:

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:41:12pm

re: #232 Belafon

Also, my son told me about this as well:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:42:03pm

re: #209 William Lewis

Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

re: #165 Scottishdragon

This is still my favorite:

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Project Pluto was utterly fucking nuts.

An unlimited range nuclear ramjet engine propelling a *16 warhead armed* cruise missile the size of a locomotive at mach 3 about 75 feet off the ground. It was estimated the shockwave from the missile alone would collapse many structures and kill a person standing in the open…and again, it could stay aloft for years just spewing insane amounts of radiation from the unshielded reactor and crushing the landscape with the mach 3 wavefront at tree top level…

Holy shit! we went a little crazy during the early Cold War, didn’t we?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:48:12pm

re: #241 Ziggy_TARDIS

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:48:55pm

Might want to leave the ski jumps to skiers.

Instagram

Goin big! @getfucked33 @tasos311 @tmf_nick

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:49:36pm

Remember that no matter how bad tonight is, at least you’re not playing in the outdoor AHL game in Bakersfield, CA.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:50:01pm

Conservatives have been interested in closing VA facilities for a long time. For several years, the Hot Springs, SD hospital has been under consideration for closure, which would only leave Rapid City VA in the state.

Hot Springs catchment area (the area they serve) includes all of western SD, most of the Nebraska Panhandle (including my county), and parts of WY and MT. Hot Springs also operates outlying clinics in those areas, which will also be shuttered.

They are now going forward with that, which will cause veterans in areas underserved already by civilian providers to either go hundreds of miles to Rapid City or Cheyenne. (I already use Cheyenne because Rapid City does not have the services I require.)

Shuttering VA’s has been a priority for Republicans since President Reagan. Now that the Republicans have a lock on the legislature, I guess they get their wish.

rapidcityjournal.com

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:51:57pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

Holy shit! we went a little crazy during the early Cold War, didn’t we?

Just a bit MAD.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:52:13pm

re: #249 Anymouse

We tried to get VA care for my husband some years ago (under Bush I, I think), and were told the facilities around here were accepting no new patients. !

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:53:11pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:57:51pm

re: #251 retired cynic

We tried to get VA care for my husband some years ago (under Bush I, I think), and were told the facilities around here were accepting no new patients. !

Yup. That was because the Geo. W. Bush administration enacted an “asset test” to replace the means test.

So if you were a farmer that was only barely making it from year to year, but your land was worth a bunch of money, you were ineligible under the new system. Same for a business owner, or pretty much anyone who held too much in illiquid assets (even shop tools, for example).

That was reversed under the Obama Administration.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:58:41pm

re: #251 retired cynic

We tried to get VA care for my husband some years ago (under Bush I, I think), and were told the facilities around here were accepting no new patients. !

The rules under Bush 2 changed so that I could not go in to have my achilles tendinitis looked at, even though I originally developed it in the Navy, because I by then made too much money. I would have first needed to go to a doctor to have them say it was caused by my being in the Navy.

re: #253 Anymouse

Exactly.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:59:01pm

re: #253 Anymouse

That must have been it. The fact that we owed as much on it as it was worth, because of Reagan era change of tax laws, meant nothing.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 8:59:36pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:03:33pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:06:17pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

Case in point.

It’s science that lets Kurt spew his inane venom on the Internet, but he’s too dense to realize that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:07:50pm

re: #258 teleskiguy

Case in point.

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It was science that lets Kurt spew his inane venom on the Internet, but he’s too dense to realize that.

And it’s still true, whether he cares about it or not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:09:10pm

re: #248 lockjawcanbefun

Good grief whoever thought that was a good idea?!

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:09:59pm

re: #254 Belafon

Exactly.

I am minded of the incident where Senator Ted Cruz thought a government shutdown would be a good idea.

A little bit into that, an honor flight of WW2 vets long scheduled came to visit the WW2 memorial in Washington.

Like every other non-vital facility it was closed. A bunch of Republicans made a big deal of berating the Park Service officials there that it was closed, then led a storming of the memorial by WW2 vets.

The whole thing seemed to be lost on a lot of veterans, that the Park Service was following the orders of the very people Republicans were berating for following their orders. Made for a bunch of good photo ops for Republicans “standing up for vets,” as seen in many outlets, including Stars and Stripes.

stripes.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:12:05pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:13:23pm

re: #262 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:13:44pm

From the Stripes article, possibly the single best part of Republican grandstanding, by good old Steve King (R-IA4):

As Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, distracted a Park Police representative, other lawmakers and their staff helped topple the metal fences. A bagpiper on hand for the event led the men past the crowd and into the heart of the memorial, attracting a large, applauding crowd.

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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:14:36pm

re: #264 Anymouse

Chaos

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:15:06pm

re: #265 prairiefire

Chaos

Yup. They’re good at that. Governance, not so much.

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:18:11pm
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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:18:44pm

re: #266 Anymouse

Masters Thesis alert! Discern real news from fake. Starting 01/01/15…go!

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:22:35pm

re: #268 prairiefire

Masters Thesis alert! Discern real news from fake. Starting 01/01/15…go!

Do I get to go to college first before I have to do a Master’s thesis, or do I just go to the end and pick up my degree? /s

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:23:19pm

re: #262 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Anymouse  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:26:14pm

Picture of the USS George Washington (CVN-73) buried in snow after the blizzard in Norfolk.

stripes.com

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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:30:03pm

Awesome Extras, Charles!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:34:50pm

re: #263 teleskiguy

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:35:22pm

re: #270 teleskiguy

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:37:11pm

re: #271 Anymouse

Picture of the USS George Washington (CVN-73) buried in snow after the blizzard in Norfolk.

stripes.com

And G-Dub will not leave Norfolk until around some time in 2021…

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:38:33pm

re: #273 Ziggy_TARDIS

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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:46:10pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

Sshhhh

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BeachDem  Jan 7, 2017 • 9:48:22pm

re: #232 Belafon

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My son got hooked on reading, and especially mythology, because of his books.

My great-nephew as well—even asked for some Riordan books for Christmas. Of course, now I get Amazon alerts every time Riordon sneezes. (But it’s worth it!)

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prairiefire  Jan 7, 2017 • 10:18:05pm

re: #278 BeachDem

Fantastic writer, he really hooks them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 7, 2017 • 10:26:57pm

re: #273 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:05:32am

re: #184 Scottishdragon

Great story. Really chilling at points.

Amazing how the author even works in paleontologist Stephen Gould and the early Cambrian Burgess Shale Fauna :)

Charlie Stross. His Laundry series is in the same sort of vein, but not quite that far down the rabbit hole yet. Until Case Nightmare Green occurs.


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