Sunday Jam: House of Waters, “Black Mallard”

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Here’s one of the most unique jazz bands currently on the scene, with the best hammered dulcimer player I think I’ve ever heard — but all three of these musicians are excellent.

From their record “House of Waters”, House of Waters performs “Black Mallard” live in the Rubber Tracks Studio. Album available everywhere now.

Digital: smarturl.it
Physical: bit.ly
Amazon: smarturl.it

Featuring:
Max ZT - Hammered Dulcimer
Moto Fukushima - Electric Bass
Ignacio Rivas Bixio - Drum set

Recording and Mixing Engineer - Aaron Batinelli
Studio Assistant - Tony Stanziano
Special thanks to Benjamin Julia

Video Created by Juana Hodari and Chebeni Wabuyele

Management Info: Guy Eckstine/Iconique Music Group iconiquemusicgroup.com

Special thanks to Converse Rubber Tracks and GroundUP Music.

houseofwaters.com
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:05:45pm

Anyone watched Sneaky Pete yet? I am a big Bryan Cranston fan and have been meaning to check it out.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:06:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:08:59pm
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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:15:46pm

Whoa, this band. Just… wow. Just ordered the CD - thanks Charles!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:16:18pm

It’s better for the turkey to be beef.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:16:53pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:17:23pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Obviously he needs to start taking lessons from his pal Chuck C. Johnson.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:18:10pm

re: #7 thedopefishlives

Obviously he needs to start taking lessons from his pal Chuck C. Johnson.

I think he is.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:19:11pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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And yet, you can be sure that the same dipshit would go apeshit and demand his own little safe space if you started calling him the racist fuckhead he is.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:19:23pm

re: #8 allegro

I think he is.

Perhaps, but the Rage Furby at least put more than ten seconds’ thought into the naming of his sockpuppets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:22:14pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:24:39pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 12:33:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:15:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:19:41pm

The Joker, for all his outrageousness, is a very smart man. The same cannot be said for the orange dumpster fire.

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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:20:36pm

re: #13 Timothy Watson

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That’s pretty much the creepiest Joker I’ve ever heard Hamill do.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:21:47pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:22:16pm

Kansas City
Kansas City here we come

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:25:53pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

The Joker, for all his outrageousness, is a very smart man. The same cannot be said for the orange dumpster fire.

Most of Batman’s Rogues Gallery is composed of smart, if not brilliant, people who (as the Joker himself famously said) had “one bad day.” Which only makes sense when the star of the comics is advertised as “The world’s greatest detective.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:26:06pm
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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:29:30pm

re: #18 Eventual Carrion

Kansas City
Kansas City here we come

We (the Texans) are heading for Foxboro. I’ve already put in a plea to my Boston relatives to slip some very high fiber bran muffins into the Pats’ Saturday breakfast. Hoping for a collective cramp. Hey if Brady can deflate balls for an edge…

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:37:59pm

Someone should tell the yam that we’ll watch Kellyanne’s full unedited 10 minutes after he releases the unedited footage from the Apprentice.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:39:23pm

Hannity deleted the Russia praise tweet, calling it an “honest mistake.”

Yeah, sure. Paging Dr. Freud …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:41:35pm

re: #22 BeachDem

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:42:26pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

Hannity deleted the Russia praise tweet, calling it an “honest mistake.”

Yeah, sure. Paging Dr. Freud …

“An honest mistake”…? He honestly didn’t think anybody was paying attention? Or he honestly thought people were on the same wavelength with him?

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:45:07pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:46:34pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

Hannity deleted the Russia praise tweet, calling it an “honest mistake.”

Yeah, sure. Paging Dr. Freud …

I might even accept it as an honest mistake if I didn’t already know Hannity was the kind of person who’d approvingly call his fans “Tim McVeigh wannabes.”

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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:51:49pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

“An honest mistake”…? He honestly didn’t think anybody was paying attention? Or he honestly thought people were on the same wavelength with him?

Hannity is a walking mistake with nothing honest about him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 1:55:37pm

re: #30 allegro

Hannity is a walking mistake with nothing honest about him.

he also has a tiny dick:

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:02:59pm
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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:15:02pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

he also has a tiny dick:

He’s so full of shit.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:28:41pm

The wingnuts don’t quite seem to get that, in light of the revelation that Russia hacked the RNC as well as the DNC, the fact that the latter’s data is the only one that was released should send up a large red flag. They can lie to themselves all they like that there’s nothing bad in there, that even if there was it was “outweighed” somehow, but Putin has their Dear Leader by the balls and he can squeeze at any time. He doesn’t have to unseat Trump, he simply has to cut the legs out from under his presidency. Consider how much shit he could get away with while we’re busy fighting over whether or not Trump should be impeached.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:30:06pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

And yet, you can be sure that the same dipshit would go apeshit and demand his own little safe space if you started calling him the racist fuckhead he is.

Freespeech™ only works one way.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:32:01pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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In meat space, the point of open carry is to intimidate people into being afraid of them and not doing anything.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:33:16pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

And let’s face it: Now that he has the President of his age-old enemy in his pocket, Putin basically has to be feeling pretty well invincible now. Who else would dare call him on it? With President Drumpf von Fuckstick, the US would (officially, at least) back Russia in any political dispute, and as much as the world dislikes us, they still wouldn’t want to stand against us.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:35:06pm

re: #22 BeachDem

Someone should tell the yam that we’ll watch Kellyanne’s full unedited 10 minutes after he releases the unedited footage from the Apprentice.

You go on ahead…I’ll pass! /

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:39:19pm

‘There’s no reason’: Reince Priebus claims background checks on Trump’s cabinet are a waste of time

Makes sense. No one did any background checks on the orange shitgibbon either.
rawstory.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:41:19pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

If they did there would be some very negative reports and the GOP cannot have that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:41:55pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

And let’s face it: Now that he has the President of his age-old enemy in his pocket, Putin basically has to be feeling pretty well invincible now. Who else would dare call him on it? With President Drumpf von Fuckstick, the US would (officially, at least) back Russia in any political dispute, and as much as the world dislikes us, they still wouldn’t want to stand against us.

Here’s a different way to think about it: If Putin wanted to make a move on (say) Ukraine, what better way to throw the Western world into utter chaos than to release the RNC files and show evidence that they’d been either A) aware of the Russian hacking and were working to benefit from it or B) actively engaged in collusion with Russia?

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:42:52pm

Got a storm report from our patrol director. They’re recording 175mph wind gusts on the summit. No humans are up there…for good reason.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:44:33pm

re: #32 Dave In Austin

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:45:01pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

‘There’s no reason’: Reince Priebus claims background checks on Trump’s cabinet are a waste of time

Makes sense. No one did any background checks on the orange shitgibbon either.
rawstory.com

So The Don’s “extreme vetting” is really “extremely little vetting”. He just left off a word when he was campaigning.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:45:09pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

‘There’s no reason’: Reince Priebus claims background checks on Trump’s cabinet are a waste of time

Makes sense. No one did any background checks on the orange shitgibbon either.
rawstory.com

Start with Reince.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:46:13pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Exactly. They have some very dark secrets. //

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:46:36pm

Chuck Todd covers Trump’s ‘Apprentice’ tweets — then can’t find 30 seconds for ethics complaints

rawstory.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:47:35pm

So the people who will be charged with executing the laws of our nation and overseeing the running of our government…should receive less scrutiny than the people who wish to immigrate to this nation.

Makes total sense.//////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:47:58pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

So the people who will be charged with executing the laws of our nation and overseeing the running of our government…should receive less scrutiny than the people who wish to immigrate to this nation.

Makes total sense.//////

based on skin color, yes, it does.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:49:58pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

So the people who will be charged with executing the laws of our nation and overseeing the running of our government…should receive less scrutiny than the people who wish to immigrate to this nation.

Makes total sense.//////

Less scrutiny than their files clerks and way less than their valets.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:51:44pm

BeachDem, if you are still following…this morning I was watching a local political show on NBC channel 4 here in Columbus.

They had Mike DeWine on and he was talking about he gets disappointed being Ohio Attorney General because you don’t always get to see the results (I’m bored…and no one pays attention).

So, he is looking forward to running for Governor in a couple years.

Oh Joy. He’ll only be 72 and had an entire government career his whole life and every position you can hold, except Governor.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:53:05pm

Hubris. It’s going to fuck the GOP so hard they won’t know what hit them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:53:58pm

This thread.
I can’t stop laughing.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:54:54pm

Our president-elect is treating evidence that a foreign power worked to influence our electoral system, may have made attempts to actually alter votes, as inconsequential and arguing that any attention paid to it is to invalidate his “landslide victory.”

And the majority party is now actively working to ram through said president-elects panel of questionable appointees before a proper ethics investigation has been conducted, with the heads of both majorities arguing that the minority party should simply allow the votes to go uninterrupted because of some precedent that the majority shat upon for the past 8 years.

I think it’s safe to say that there is a whole conga-line of skeletons in this closet of the RNC. And Putin could throw this country into chaos if he ever decided to throw open the door.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2017 • 2:58:52pm

Eartha’s starting to forgive Craig for coming home…and my god, she’s going to be fucking big one of these days…she’s 8 months. Craig’s 2 years old.

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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:00:07pm

re: #42 darthstar

Got a storm report from our patrol director. They’re recording 175mph wind gusts on the summit. No humans are up there…for good reason.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:08:51pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Our president-elect is treating evidence that a foreign power worked to influence our electoral system, may have made attempts to actually alter votes, as inconsequential and arguing that any attention paid to it is to invalidate his “landslide victory.”

And the majority party is now actively working to ram through said president-elects panel of questionable appointees before a proper ethics investigation has been conducted, with the heads of both majorities arguing that the minority party should simply allow the votes to go uninterrupted because of some precedent that the majority shat upon for the past 8 years.

I think it’s safe to say that there is a whole conga-line of skeletons in this closet of the RNC. And Putin could throw this country into chaos if he ever decided to throw open the door.

I noticed over the weekend the Trump talking heads are all out saying that since there was no proof of individual voting machines and the systems and software used to count the votes were hacked by the Russians, there was no evidence that there was ANY influence on the election. All the other talk is pure sore loser political muckraking to make Trump look bad, etc.

This is just an indication that they will never be clear about anything that doesn’t go his way. He (and they) will spin everything as a positive even if the son-a-bitch gets us in some deep trouble. They are going to end up pissing all of our allies off because he will paint them as problems the same time he is with them saying he had nice talks.

He already has done this, so it will be the game plan. Do nothing that makes Mr. Trump look bad.

Why would anyone trust him on anything…but Putin?

The world has to be bracing to see WTF the crazy Americans are doing. Something they haven’t had to do before.

People said “W” Bush hurt our stature in the world. Trump will kill it. Putin will be there to help assist the death.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:10:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:12:09pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Anatomically correct and everything.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:12:42pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

BeachDem, if you are still following…this morning I was watching a local political show on NBC channel 4 here in Columbus.

They had Mike DeWine on and he was talking about he gets disappointed being Ohio Attorney General because you don’t always get to see the results (I’m bored…and no one pays attention).

So, he is looking forward to running for Governor in a couple years.

Oh Joy. He’ll only be 72 and had an entire government career his whole life and every position you can hold, except Governor.

He ought to be thanking his lucky stars that his “results” don’t get more attention!

I’ve heard rumblings about him running for governor. Yuch. Of course, if the Dems don’t come up with somebody better than Nina Turner, he’d win in a walk.

Did you see my replies yesterday about bands?

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:13:21pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

I noticed over the weekend the Trump talking heads are all out saying that since there was no proof of individual voting machines and the systems and software used to count the votes were hacked by the Russians, there was no evidence that there was ANY influence on the election. All the other talk is pure sore loser political muckraking to make Trump look bad, etc.

This is just an indication that they will never be clear about anything that doesn’t go his way. He (and they) will spin everything as a positive even if the son-a-bitch gets us in some deep trouble. They are going to end up pissing all of our allies off because he will paint them as problems the same time he is with them saying he had nice talks.

He already has done this, so it will be the game plan. Do nothing that makes Mr. Trump look bad.

Why would anyone trust him on anything…but Putin?

The world has to be bracing to see WTF the crazy Americans are doing. Something they haven’t had to do before.

People said “W” Bush hurt our stature in the world. Trump will kill it. Putin will be there to help assist the death.

I think the clearest indication of how fucked they are as a party is the evolution of their talking points:

November: “There was no hacking, you’re just a bunch of sore losers!”

December: “The CIA and FBI won’t show us the evidence of hacking, so how are we supposed to trust them?”

January: “So what if Russia managed to hack the DNC, there’s no evidence that they hacked the voting machines to the election was totally legit!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:13:30pm

re: #60 BeachDem

He ought to be thanking his lucky stars that his “results” don’t get more attention!

I’ve heard rumblings about him running for governor. Yuch. Of course, if the Dems don’t come up with somebody better than Nina Turner, he’d win in a walk.

Did you see my replies yesterday about bands?

Yes.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:17:03pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

The problem Republicans have is that if people figure out the Russians used propaganda, these people might figure out that Fox is just propaganda.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:17:36pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Our president-elect is treating evidence that a foreign power worked to influence our electoral system, may have made attempts to actually alter votes, as inconsequential and arguing that any attention paid to it is to invalidate his “landslide victory.”

And the majority party is now actively working to ram through said president-elects panel of questionable appointees before a proper ethics investigation has been conducted, with the heads of both majorities arguing that the minority party should simply allow the votes to go uninterrupted because of some precedent that the majority shat upon for the past 8 years.

I think it’s safe to say that there is a whole conga-line of skeletons in this closet of the RNC. And Putin could throw this country into chaos if he ever decided to throw open the door.

HuffPo’s headline: Mitch, Please
kinda says it all. If you look at the letter McConnell wrote to Reed in 2009, the incredible douchiness of McConnell is write YUUUGE.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:19:25pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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And once again, rightwingers prove that they are analogy impaired.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:20:44pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:21:03pm

re: #65 BeachDem

That is because they took extra Bible courses instead of English.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:22:16pm

re: #67 PhillyPretzel

That is because they took extra Bible courses instead of English.

They’re not that good at parables either, so those extra courses were wasted.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:23:35pm

re: #66 jaunte

Doxorubicin is for closers.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:26:20pm

re: #68 BeachDem

They’re not that good at parables either, so those extra courses were wasted.

They use the Mirror Universe Bible with the sinister mustache.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:28:14pm

re: #66 jaunte

But zygotes are people, and you had better ensure they survive.
Or, we might put you in jail.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:31:01pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart

It’s hard not to conclude they just have a punishment fetish.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:35:59pm

re: #69 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Doxorubicin is for closers.

As I noted the other day, that is the wingnut viewpoint: Access to healthcare is not a right, it’s a privilege, one that is reserved only to those with large bank accounts. If you’re poor or needy, then you’re taking up time and resources that could be spent on those with the means to afford it. It’s a fucked up “survival of the fittest” mindset, ironically enough adopted by the people who will be the first to argue that evolution is a hoax.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:36:39pm

“Murica, where you can be batshit crazy, yet still not crazy enough…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:38:27pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

As I noted the other day, that is the wingnut viewpoint: Access to healthcare is not a right, it’s a privilege, one that is reserved only to those with large bank accounts. If you’re poor or needy, then you’re taking up time and resources that could be spent on those with the means to afford it. It’s a fucked up “survival of the fittest” mindset, ironically enough adopted by the people who will be the first to argue that evolution is a hoax.

Social…fucking…Darwinism.

I swear on the bones of this robot.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:40:29pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart

“Murica, where you can be batshit crazy, yet still not crazy enough…

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So the FBI felt him crazy enough to involuntarily commit for a psychiatric evaluation, but the moment the hospital chose not to admit him, they decided he was mentally fit enough to trust with a gun.

This is a truly fucked up nation we live in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:41:37pm

re: #75 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Social…fucking…Darwinism.

I swear on the bones of this robot.

It does amaze me that there are people who deny Evolution but nonetheless fully embrace Social Darwinism.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:47:07pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sean. No real martial artist brags about it.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:47:36pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

As I noted the other day, that is the wingnut viewpoint: Access to healthcare is not a right, it’s a privilege, one that is reserved only to those with large bank accounts. If you’re poor or needy, then you’re taking up time and resources that could be spent on those with the means to afford it. It’s a fucked up “survival of the fittest” mindset, ironically enough adopted by the people who will be the first to argue that evolution is a hoax.

Yeah, that pretty much nails it. It’s basically applying the principles of what I think I’m going to call “heartless capitalism”: Everything is done to maximize profit. Caring for people that are unable to care for themselves is uneconomical.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:47:55pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does amaze me that there are people who deny Evolution but nonetheless fully embrace Social Darwinism.

I think what they really embrace is fucking old-school Downton Abbey understandings of the social orders of people, where merit is granted to be an a priori trait, yet only established a posteriori.

They then dress this notion in various costumes to inflame their interests of the moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:48:31pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:48:34pm

A local TV station is reporting that police found “illegal drugs and weapons” at Underiner’s residence and that his death may be drug-related.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:49:29pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:49:31pm

re: #80 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I think what they really embrace is fucking old-school Downton Abbey understandings of the social orders of people, where merit is granted to be an a priori trait, yet only established a posteriori.

They then dress this notion in various costumes to inflame their interests of the moment.

Calvinism teaches us that wealth is an outward expression of inner grace: the rich got that way because they are more moral than the rest of us. That is just the sort of horseshit definition they love to hear.

What scares me is how many people still buy into it.

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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:50:28pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does amaze me that there are people who deny Evolution but nonetheless fully embrace Social Darwinism.

At risk of going Godwin, today’s GOPers seem to share the Nazis’ enthusiasm for eugenics/social Darwinism.

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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:51:07pm

re: #78 Romantic Heretic

Sean. No real martial artist brags about it.

Which is why I think he’s full of shit and pulled all of that out of his ass.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:52:34pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

The world has to be bracing to see WTF the crazy Americans are doing. Something they haven’t had to do before.

That makes me think of a little something Walt Kelly said many years ago.

We astounded our friends abroad and amazed our enemies at home. They had no idea we could be so soft in the head and so hard in the heart.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:52:37pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sorry to disagree, Ben of the Corn, but doesn’t our own Declaration of Independence enumerate that one of our inalienable rights is the right to Life? It’s a little tough to live if you don’t have access to any kind of health care; just ask the people back in the 1700’s how it went with the primitive doctors and surgeons of their day.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:52:43pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A UCLA and Harvard Law School grad with the most superficial “knowledge” of economics?

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:53:54pm

re: #86 TedStriker

Which is why I think he’s full of shit and pulled all of that out of his ass.

He sounds like a mall ninja.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:57:31pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As someone whose Christianity was of the mild, avuncular CoE type, all I can say is: WTF.

Jesus: Be nice to one another.

People: Quibble over metaphysical details we’re all just guessing at…can do.

Jesus: God is Love.

People: The Monster Manual doesn’t say whether you’re a god or a god-man, or if there’s a template involved. We must solve this unsolveable question.
People: …with knives.

Jesus: …
Jesus: …don’t make me get down off this cross.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:57:45pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

So the FBI felt him crazy enough to involuntarily commit for a psychiatric evaluation, but the moment the hospital chose not to admit him, they decided he was mentally fit enough to trust with a gun.

This is a truly fucked up nation we live in.

Probably required by Alaska law. Gun rights, you know.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:58:57pm

re: #92 calochortus

Probably required by Alaska law. Gun rights, you know.

Which, apparently, trumps the right to life.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 3:59:46pm

re: #91 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

To your point:

Did I fucking stutter?!
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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:00:05pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

I’m sorry to disagree, Ben of the Corn, but doesn’t our own Declaration of Independence enumerate that one of our inalienable rights is the right to Life? It’s a little tough to live if you don’t have access to any kind of health care; just ask the people back in the 1700’s how it went with the primitive doctors and surgeons of their day.

Our Constitution thinks we should promote the general welfare, too.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:00:26pm

re: #93 Romantic Heretic

Which, apparently, trumps the right to life.

Well, duh.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:00:53pm

re: #95 calochortus

Our Constitution thinks we should promote the general welfare, too.

Yeah, but that’s irrelevant because that shit was written back in the 1700’s. Amazing how our “strict originalists” revert to making excuses when it comes to things they don’t like.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:01:04pm

re: #89 Timothy Watson

A UCLA and Harvard Law School grad with the most superficial “knowledge” of economics?

Yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:02:49pm

re: #92 calochortus

Probably required by Alaska law. Gun rights, you know.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:09:45pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Calvinism teaches us that wealth is an outward expression of inner grace: the rich got that way because they are more moral than the rest of us. That is just the sort of horseshit definition they love to hear.

What scares me is how many people still buy into it.

Not more moral, simply one of the few chosen ones. < spit >

Said it before and I’ll say it again - as a Episcopalian, John Knox’s twisting of some writings that Calvin considered unimportant (!) into what we call Calvinism remains the worst heresy of the past 1000 years. Only thing that comes close to it is the enforced celibacy by Rome starting around 1200.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:11:30pm

re: #91 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Excellent. Shared that with my priest.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:11:35pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re far out on a limb when a life-saving treatment isn’t a “need.”

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:11:54pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NYT certainly uses flowery language when describing right-wing racist assholes:

A lifelong outsider (say what?)
reedy-voiced, diminutive and mild-mannered (while being a racist prick)
rigidly honest and inflexible on issues he considers matters of principle
(ugh times 19)
He speaks to a disenchanted electorate that includes the white, nationalistic fringes of his party. (oh, those poor, disenchanted NAZIS)
Critics see Mr. Sessions as a throwback to a bygone South. (Gone With the Wind theme is playing in my head)
Mr. Sessions’s last nomination to a federal post, a federal judgeship in 1986, foundered over questions by senators of both parties about his commitment to civil rights. (Ah yes, we just can’t call him a racist—it was a foundering over his commitment to civil rights)

Oh barf, I can’t finish it.

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:19:04pm

re: #102 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

You’re far out on a limb when a life-saving treatment isn’t a “need.”

I figured out decades ago that the fundamental distinction between want and need is a matter of WHO is making a judgement call. Want is a judgement call made in the first person singular (or plural). Need is a judgement call made by a second party, or a third party.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:19:58pm

I’ve noticed that most of the assholes who see healthcare as a “commodity” are those who have, through good fortune, never found themselves at the mercy of the “free market.” Never had to worry that even stepping foot in the ER could mean slapped with a massive bill that they couldn’t begin to afford to pay.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:22:34pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed that most of the assholes who see healthcare as a “commodity” are those who have, through good fortune, never found themselves at the mercy of the “free market.” Never had to worry that even stepping foot in the ER could mean slapped with a massive bill that they couldn’t begin to afford to pay.

But not all. I have a nephew with a serious preexisting condition who thinks if we could just buy insurance across state lines he would be able to get great affordable insurance. He has never been able to tell me why a company would compete for a person who is likely to cost them more money than they get from him.
Free market! Competition! Yay!

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:25:46pm

re: #106 calochortus

But not all. I have a nephew with a serious preexisting condition who thinks if we could just buy insurance across state lines he would be able to get great affordable insurance. He has never been able to tell me why a company would compete for a person who is likely to cost them more money than they get from him.
Free market! Competition! Yay!

There’s few things as sad as someone who believes that the “free market” encourages competition. The exact opposite is true, the “free market” encourages consolidation. A single company that serves a single sector is more cost-efficient than numerous ones duplicating the same work.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:28:16pm

About to purchase my health insurance for 2017 on the healthcare.gov website. I’m a 45-yo, non-tobacco-using male, and I found a silver plan for $370 a month with a ZERO deductible. Sounds good to me. Buy.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:29:32pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

There’s few things as sad as someone who believes that the “free market” encourages competition. The exact opposite is true, the “free market” encourages consolidation. A single company that serves a single sector is more cost-efficient than numerous ones duplicating the same work.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:29:56pm

I have a question though: Everyone has been flipping out over the cost of the deductibles. If you have to have a procedure done, they will bill you for your the deductible, yes? Do you have to pay your share up front before you’ll be treated?

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:31:31pm

re: #110 Frankie Five Angels

I have a question though: Everyone has been flipping out over the cost of the deductibles. If you have to have a procedure done, they will bill you for your the deductible, yes? Do you have to pay your share up front before you’ll be treated?

No. You have to pay your Co-Pay upfront. They will bill you for the deductible later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:31:54pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

There’s few things as sad as someone who believes that the “free market” encourages competition. The exact opposite is true, the “free market” encourages consolidation. A single company that serves a single sector is more cost-efficient than numerous ones duplicating the same work.

And that individuals and families with limited incomes and resources should negotiate one-on-one with multi-million-dollar corporations for terms of insurance coverage, employment or financial services…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:34:18pm

re: #110 Frankie Five Angels

I have a question though: Everyone has been flipping out over the cost of the deductibles. If you have to have a procedure done, they will bill you for your the deductible, yes? Do you have to pay your share up front before you’ll be treated?

Our local hospital estimates what the deductible and co-pay will be and gives us a 20% discount on it if we pay that at the time of admission. The estimate is always on the high side, so we get the difference refunded fairly soon.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:35:06pm

Holy Guacamole (And I don’t even _like_ guacamole!) but I went over 50k karma.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:35:53pm

re: #114 William Lewis

Holy Guacamole (And I don’t even _like_ guacamole!) but I went over 50k karma.

Now you’re at 50,042 because of me. :)

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:39:44pm

re: #114 William Lewis

Holy Guacamole (And I don’t even _like_ guacamole!) but I went over 50k karma.

Crap. I updinged you. Shoulda downdinged for denigrating guacamole, which is holy.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:40:35pm

I should follow up from last night. I was unable to get to my jack so a brother from church came over to where I work this AM and we tried to get the tire off and failed. Just too cold (-16 F) and lugs that hadn’t been off in a couple of years. But the only place in town open on Sundays was just across the four lane highway. And there was still rubber all the way around the rim. So we limped the van over there and $83 later I was on my way.

Bleah.

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:43:51pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

Crap. I updinged you. Shoulda downdinged for denigrating guacamole, which is holy.

You can reverse your choice, to neutral, or opposite. Cannot up/down ding yourself.

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compound_Idaho  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:44:11pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our local hospital estimates what the deductible and co-pay will be and gives us a 20% discount on it if we pay that at the time of admission. The estimate is always on the high side, so we get the difference refunded fairly soon.

Our local hospital is out of network so $50K deductible / $75K max out of pocket.

“However, those who need elective procedures and non-emergency care might have to look elsewhere to avoid paying potentially sky-high out-of-network costs. The out-of-network deductibles on gold, silver and bronze Blue Cross plans that are purchased on the Your Health Idaho exchange have increased to $50,000 for 2017.”

It also applies to plans purchased privately off any exchange.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:45:54pm

BBL

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:46:01pm

Something smells like bullshit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:46:12pm

re: #32 Dave In Austin

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Someone needs to do a Human Centipede photoshop with Putin first in line, then Trump, Hannity…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:46:43pm

*yawn*

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:47:07pm

re: #122 GlutenFreeJesus

Someone needs to do a Human Centipede photoshop with Putin first in line, then Trump, Hannity…

Failkin, Angryham, Pill Popper,…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:47:37pm

re: #102 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

You’re far out on a limb when a life-saving treatment isn’t a “need.”

“NEEDS” aren’t “RIGHTS” you damn marxist/communist/socialist/democRAT

Hail Putin

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Cheechako  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:50:47pm

re: #119 compound_Idaho

Our local hospital is out of network so $50K deductible / $75K max out of pocket.

“However, those who need elective procedures and non-emergency care might have to look elsewhere to avoid paying potentially sky-high out-of-network costs. The out-of-network deductibles on gold, silver and bronze Blue Cross plans that are purchased on the Your Health Idaho exchange have increased to $50,000 for 2017.”

It also applies to plans purchased privately off any exchange.

How does your hospital stay in business without any customers?

Edit: Ahh, just remembered, Idaho is such a rich (Republican) State that they didn’t need any assistance from the Feds to help finance ACA requirements.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:52:08pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:55:13pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

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As I noted upthread, Putin could very well get more mileage out of rendering Trump’s presidency illegitimate than blackmailing him. After all, Trump is such a loose cannon that even blackmailing him might have negative consequences. But rendering him powerless, beset on all sides by opposition and facing the very real possibility of being removed from office? That would have a far more destabilizing effect on America.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:55:47pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can see why Ben got out of the lawyering business.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:56:04pm

re: #119 compound_Idaho

Our local hospital is out of network so $50K deductible / $75K max out of pocket.

“However, those who need elective procedures and non-emergency care might have to look elsewhere to avoid paying potentially sky-high out-of-network costs. The out-of-network deductibles on gold, silver and bronze Blue Cross plans that are purchased on the Your Health Idaho exchange have increased to $50,000 for 2017.”

It also applies to plans purchased privately off any exchange.

An entire hospital (and all of its Doctors) are out of network? Sounds highly improbable to me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:57:23pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

I’m sorry to disagree, Ben of the Corn, but doesn’t our own Declaration of Independence enumerate that one of our inalienable rights is the right to Life? It’s a little tough to live if you don’t have access to any kind of health care; just ask the people back in the 1700’s how it went with the primitive doctors and surgeons of their day.

“Right to Life” only if you’re a fetus. Once you’re out in the world, tough luck.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:57:46pm

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

“Right to Life” only if you’re a fetus. Once you’re out in the world, tough luck.

Right to Be Born, they should call it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:58:45pm

re: #132 thedopefishlives

Right to Be Born, they should call it.

and then you are on your own.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 4:59:59pm

re: #132 thedopefishlives

Right to Be Born, they should call it.

Right to Work. for your betters…

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:00:05pm

idahostatesman.com

Pretty good discount for staying in network.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:01:51pm

Don’t feel sorry for the insurance companies.

“When the five insurers who do business on Idaho’s exchange filed their plans with the Idaho Department of Insurance for review earlier this year, two proposed an “unlimited” maximum out-of-pocket cost — so that a patient who signed up, say, for a St. Luke’s-centric plan could have to pay $1 million if he or she opted for cancer treatment from doctors at Saint Alphonsus.”

idahostatesman.com

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:02:17pm

re: #134 FormerDirtDart

Right to Work. for your betters…

Right to Employ Minions. Designed with the job creators in mind.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:03:44pm
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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:05:17pm

Stonekettle urging Alex Jones to take the other side of the argument.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:05:21pm

This article was written by an utterly deranged wingbatbro, who makes Glenn Greenwald look like the epitome of reasonable compromise.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:08:17pm

re: #129 Skip Intro

I can see why Ben got out of the lawyering business.

Too hard.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:12:38pm

Dear people who voted for Stein: This is how stupid you are

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:14:14pm

re: #139 jaunte

No one who listens to Alex Jones should be allowed to own guns.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:14:59pm

re: #142 Timothy Watson

Dear people who voted for Stein: This is how stupid you are

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The kind of people that voted for her would need that help. We still need their votes.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:15:10pm

re: #142 Timothy Watson

Dear people who voted for Stein: This is how stupid you are

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That makes perfect sense if you’re really stoned.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:17:51pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

That makes perfect sense if you’re really stoned.

Alas, I am sober.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:19:00pm

I guess the number would increase as we’d add corporations to the population.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:19:08pm

re: #146 Timothy Watson

Alas, I am sober.

We can fix that. Except liquor sales are prohibited in Minnesota on Sundays, more’s the pity.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:19:10pm

re: #142 Timothy Watson

Dear people who voted for Stein: This is how stupid you are

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:22:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:22:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:31:06pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:37:59pm

There do seem to be some liberals who think if we rename a couple things it will usher in a new era of liberal progressivism and everything will be wonderful.

That type of attitude seems to be pretty common among oblivious college students which was probably Stein’s main base of support.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:42:14pm

re: #153 Timothy Watson

There do seem to be some liberals who think if we rename a couple things it will usher in a new era of liberal progressivism and everything will be wonderful.

That type of attitude seems to be pretty common among oblivious college students which was probably Stein’s main base of support.

College students are always so full of idealism, thinking that their new radical thinking will transform the world. The problem is that teens and college students live so sheltered from reality (well, most of them) that when they finally emerge from the protective bubble of their minority, they are actually ill-prepared for adult life. Mrs. Fish actually asked me one time why she never learned valuable lessons such as how to pay bills or prepare taxes, and I had no good honest answer for her. It’s exactly the sort of thing we should teach, and… we don’t. I will certainly be teaching my kids those lessons, as my parents taught me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:43:06pm

re: #91 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:43:29pm

re: #129 Skip Intro

I can see why Ben got out of the lawyering business.

It required more kindness than he is capable of.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:43:36pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

See my #94 above.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:44:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:46:15pm

re: #157 thedopefishlives

See my #94 above.

Ha. I should have known someone would have gotten there before me!

Well played.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:46:58pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

Ha. I should have known someone would have gotten there before me!

Well played.

No worries. Yours was good too. I updinged it, even.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:48:46pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah, Jesse Singal is on the same point I was making earlier.

There’s no way that Ben passed any legitimate economics course.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:49:40pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

Yeah, Jesse Singal is on the same point I was making earlier.

There’s no way that Ben passed any legitimate economics course.

I beg to differ. Passing a class is one thing. Comprehending it and applying it is quite another.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:49:42pm

Strange that all these purportedly religious people choose to ignore the obligation to take care of their fellow humans.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:49:57pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

Edit: fixed tweet. You ought to try doing that on a phone.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:50:25pm

re: #163 jaunte

Strange that all these purportedly religious people choose to ignore the obligation to take care of their fellow humans.

One of the reasons I have a moderate credit card debt right now is because I am too free with my money with family and friends in need. To me, that is the essence of Christianity, not being a stuck-up, stuffy prat with a superiority complex.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:50:49pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Those sort of things are ‘left to the parents’.

Which means it is often not done. Many times, especially at the lower ends of the socio-economic spectrum, because the parents are too busy. Sometimes because they couldn’t be arsed, and too often it’s misinformation and ignorance that gets passed on.

Sex education is the best example of that.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:52:45pm

re: #166 Romantic Heretic

Those sort of things are ‘left to the parents’.

Which means it is often not done. Many times, especially at the lower ends of the socio-economic spectrum, because the parents are too busy. Sometimes because they couldn’t be arsed, and too often it’s misinformation and ignorance that gets passed on.

Sex education is the best example of that.

Sex ed, how credit works, taxes and bills, buying and maintaining a car and home - these are all vital life lessons. I understand and respect parents handling this responsibility, but not all parents are sufficiently wise to do these things right… hence, Mrs. Fish’s lament referenced previously.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:52:49pm

re: #165 thedopefishlives

I watched a little Joel Osteen today. His church is in the former Houston basketball arena, The Summit. Very luxurious.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:54:24pm

re: #168 jaunte

I watched a little Joel Osteen today. His church is in the former Houston basketball arena, The Summit. Very luxurious.

One of the reasons I stopped attending the local megachurch is because the pastor of said church delivered a woeful soliloquy about how he was such a charity case for voluntarily giving up the church’s private jet when the recession hit. I threw up a little in my mouth.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

re: #169 thedopefishlives

I always wondered how the local megachurch CEOs could claim to be pastors when the church populations were so big they couldn’t know everyone.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:57:51pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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See Ben, we’re all gonna need healthcare at one point in our lives or another. Unless you think that the proper response to a person unable to afford care is “Go die in a ditch,” which knowing you probably is what you believe, then arguing “want vs. need” is not a serious argument, it’s a measure of one’s personal dickishness towards his fellow man.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 5:59:52pm

re: #170 jaunte

I always wondered how the local megachurch CEOs could claim to be pastors when the church populations were so big they couldn’t know everyone.

That’s honestly a damn good question. I mean, in the sense of a “pastor” as “head of a church”, obviously so, but they aren’t truly shepherding a flock at that point - they’re managing a corporation. They’re basically the CEO.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:00:08pm

re: #42 darthstar

Got a storm report from our patrol director. They’re recording 175mph wind gusts on the summit. No humans are up there…for good reason.

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Where is that?

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:03:04pm

re: #172 thedopefishlives

And for the record - I continue to receive the e-newsletter from the megachurch, more than 4 years after I stopped attending.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:03:30pm

re: #163 jaunte

Strange that all these purportedly religious people choose to ignore the obligation to take care of their fellow humans.

THIS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:07:56pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:08:10pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

Winter is coming.

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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:12:08pm

re: #163 jaunte

Strange that all these purportedly religious people choose to ignore the obligation to take care of their fellow humans.

I’ve always said, if you required your average Christian to actually read the four gospels, there’d be a sudden outbreak of Bible burnings at most churches.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:15:20pm

re: #119 compound_Idaho

The conservative government of Idaho allowing insurance companies to fuck over citizens with impunity? You don’t say. This is shocking news.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:16:07pm

re: #178 scottslemmons

I’ve always said, if you required your average Christian to actually read the four gospels, there’d be a sudden outbreak of Bible burnings at most churches.

As someone who tries to be a Christian, I’d have to agree here in America at least. Money vs Christ’s real teachings? As the song put it, “Money changes everything.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:16:52pm
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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:17:48pm

re: #153 Timothy Watson

There do seem to be some liberals who think if we rename a couple things it will usher in a new era of liberal progressivism and everything will be wonderful.

That type of attitude seems to be pretty common among oblivious college students which was probably Stein’s main base of support.

Well, one of my cousins in Michigan (in her fifties) when we were discussing the election outcome says she split her vote between Green and Libertarian candidates.

(Jaw drop)

I passed that along to my wife (the former Libertarian campaign treasurer), “She does know the Libertarian and Green Parties stand for almost the exact opposite things?”

I pointed out apparently not. It would also seem she didn’t care who she was voting for as long as not Clinton or Trump.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:18:16pm

re: #180 William Lewis

As someone who tries to be a Christian, I’d have to agree here in America at least. Money vs Christ’s real teachings? As the song put it, “Money changes everything.”

Pretty much. It’s kind of amazing to me how little the modern American Church resembles the Church of the time of the apostles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:19:16pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

It probably has more in common with the money changers Jesus chased from the Temple.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:19:45pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:20:57pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

It probably has more in common with the money changers Jesus chased from the Temple.

Indeed, I’ve drawn that parallel before. I’ve often said that if Jesus came back, you’d be more likely to find Him hanging out at the local bar with the drunks and the destitute than at the church with the Pharisees.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:22:40pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

It probably has more in common with the money changers Jesus chased from the Temple.

Well adding the word prosperity to anything religious pretty much makes your case.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:23:32pm

re: #169 thedopefishlives

He’s almost as self sacrificing as the Good Lord Himself for giving up the jet. Almost.

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:25:31pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

Pretty much. It’s kind of amazing to me how little the modern American Church resembles the Church of the time of the apostles.

I’ve been led to believe that the social aspects in earliest decades of Christianity involved dining as guests of friends and family, etc. It’s a tradition that appears to have been embraced by modern polititians, but the events are called fundraisers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:25:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:26:26pm

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

He’s almost as self sacrificing as the Good Lord Himself for giving up the jet. Almost.

He told this long, drawn-out sob story about how he’s a pilot and the jet was his version of “me time” (apparently he flew it himself sometimes), but he sold it so that the church could continue its ministry. I was like, yanno, I think we’d be better off if you’d have sold that jet and donated the proceeds to one or two of the local charities that do real Christian work in the Twin Cities area. Because I can guarantee you that the megachurch doesn’t take in homeless people and keep them warm and well fed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:26:53pm

I stopped hate-following Baby Whiplash when I deleted my “Derp” list after the election. I just had a gander at his timeline. He needs a mental health intervention.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:27:48pm

re: #189 unproven innocence

I’ve been led to believe that the social aspects in earliest decades of Christianity involved dining as guests of friends and family, etc. It’s a tradition that appears to have been embraced by modern polititians, but the events are called fundraisers.

Early Christians shared everything they had with each other - homes, food, income from jobs. It was exactly like a commune, except it actually worked. For a time, until religious schisms destroyed the whole thing.

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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:29:16pm

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

I stopped hate-following Baby Whiplash when I deleted my “Derp” list after the election. I just had a gander at his timeline. He needs a mental health intervention.

He got his first taste of fame and recognition when he was a 12-year-old kid getting head-pats for parroting wingnut sociopathy. He’s never bothered to mature beyond that point because the praise was just so good.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:32:04pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah, the “free market” is so much better than the gov’t. Which is why so many of the most profitable drugs and technologies have come out of gov’t labs, the research funded with federal tax dollars.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:32:19pm
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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:32:58pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Indeed, I’ve drawn that parallel before. I’ve often said that if Jesus came back, you’d be more likely to find Him hanging out at the local bar with the drunks and the destitute than at the church with the Pharisees.

See Nadia Bolz-Weber.

npr.org

And there are others. And I’ve not been afraid to talk about in some skeevy places over the years.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:33:39pm

re: #196 Anymouse

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:33:48pm
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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:34:10pm

re: #194 scottslemmons

He got his first taste of fame and recognition when he was a 12-year-old kid getting head-pats for parroting wingnut sociopathy. He’s never bothered to mature beyond that point because the praise was just so good.

You could have some fun with wingnuts in alternate universes where they didn’t have the wingnut wurlitzer to promote them and corrupt them. Shapiro without the childhood fame could be an actual success as a lawyer. Sarah Palin as a one-term governor and non-addled grandmother. Trump without his dad’s money would’ve been a small-time legbreaker for the Mob ‘til they shot him in his 30s for getting too ambitious. Alex Jones would’ve still been abducted by aliens in his 20s, but his brain would be toiling as a mind-slave on Arcturus-7 instead of getting stuffed full of mind-control tech today…

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:34:30pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

Yeah, the “free market” is so much better than the gov’t. Which is why so many of the most profitable drugs and technologies have come out of gov’t labs, the research funded with federal tax dollars.

See also Internet, Transcontinental Railroad, Interstate highway system, &c &c

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:34:40pm

re: #197 William Lewis

See Nadia Bolz-Weber.

npr.org

And there are others. And I’ve not been afraid to talk about in some skeevy places over the years.

That’s fantastic. I know the pastor of my church hangs out in some, shall we say, less than reputable places. He has tattoos and is an ex-Air Force MP. I love him because he’s real, not some Pharasaical holier-than-thou asshole. He relates to people as they are and doesn’t pretend to be a religious dickwad.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:35:12pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

Early Christians shared everything they had with each other - homes, food, income from jobs. It was exactly like a commune, except it actually worked. For a time, until religious schisms destroyed the whole thing.

My favorite version of early Christianity is in this document: thedidache.com

Wiki on it here: en.wikipedia.org

I especially like the warning about prophets who only want money and don’t want to work.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:38:40pm
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darthstar  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:42:00pm

re: #42 darthstar

Got a storm report from our patrol director. They’re recording 175mph wind gusts on the summit. No humans are up there…for good reason.

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One more shot of the raw data on that wind gust from NOAA…the sustained column is bad enough…I’ve hiked that ridge with 75mph sustained…thought I’d get blown off the edge before I reached the stand-by shack.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:42:46pm

To be filed under, “He TOLD he was a snake, you fucking idiots!!!” e_e

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:43:04pm

re: #205 darthstar

Jesus fuck. And I thought the wind speeds of 20 sustained/50 gust here on the blustery prairie were bad.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:43:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:45:34pm
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darthstar  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:47:49pm

re: #207 thedopefishlives

Jesus fuck. And I thought the wind speeds of 20 sustained/50 gust here on the blustery prairie were bad.

We’ve had sustained 33-35 on the coast all day with rain. Made walking Banjo a challenge. Temps are dropping now…and fast…which is good. All that water in the snowpack will freeze this week. And all we need now is a few good sub-15 days on the mountain to suck out the excess moisture…then we’ll have a snowpack that will last until June.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:48:08pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

More like “pea-shooter grade stupid.” (::

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:48:17pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

But, as you know, we’ll take the hit, too.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:48:28pm

The health care industry does not function like a market because the consumers are not free actors. First sick people cant shop around and second it is impossible to establish prices because the values are intangible

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:51:18pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:51:30pm

re: #213 SteveMcG RN

The health care industry does not function like a market because the consumers are not free actors. First sick people cant shop around and second it is impossible to establish prices because the values are intangible

“No, no, don’t take me to that hospital, they’re too expensive. Drive me another 25 miles to Hospital XYZ.”

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:52:28pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Here’s what I see as a rosy scenario: The Chinese, investing so much money and effort, make them cheap enough that we adopt them due to market forces. We reduce oil production, Republicans learn nothing, and voters keep voting for them to save them from immigration.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:52:38pm

re: #213 SteveMcG RN

The health care industry does not function like a market because the consumers are not free actors. First sick people cant shop around and second it is impossible to establish prices because the values are intangible

Emergency Room A: “I broke my leg! How much to fix it?” “”Well, if there are no other underlying problems, $80,000.”

“Oh heck no, I’m going to the next county to try Emergency Room B.”

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Joe Bacon  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:53:30pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

Chuck Todd covers Trump’s ‘Apprentice’ tweets — then can’t find 30 seconds for ethics complaints

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Sure am glad that Chuck U wiped the brown lipstick off of his face!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:53:35pm

re: #217 Anymouse

Great minds think alike. So do ours.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:54:45pm

re: #215 thedopefishlives

“No, no, don’t take me to that hospital, they’re too expensive. Drive me another 25 miles to Hospital XYZ.”

The closest hospital to my parents that has a cardiac unit is not part of the same hospital system that my mom got her surgery in. When my mom had a heart attack two months after her bypass surgery, the ambulance took her to the close hospital, and my parents had to pay for an ambulance to take her to her surgery hospital.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:55:30pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

Great minds think alike. So do ours.

Emergency Room B: “We’re owned by the same company as Emergency Room A, so $80,000.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:55:30pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

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Mike Lamb  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:56:54pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

What about those inalienable rights? What was that first one? Something about “life”, no?

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Joe Bacon  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:57:09pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:59:29pm

re: #223 Mike Lamb

What about those inalienable rights? What was that first one? Something about “life”, no?

This was why one of the founding fathers, I think Madison, was worried about the Bill of Rights. Republicans can’t derive new rights from existing ones. If it doesn’t say it explicitly, they don’t believe it exists. Which is why, among other things, we truly need an explicit “Voting shall not be infringed” amendment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:59:42pm

re: #224 Joe Bacon

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Elitists think healthcare should not just be for the rich!

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 6:59:49pm
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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:00:27pm

re: #220 Belafon

The closest hospital to my parents that has a cardiac unit is not part of the same hospital system that my mom got her surgery in. When my mom had a heart attack two months after her bypass surgery, the ambulance took her to the close hospital, and my parents had to pay for an ambulance to take her to her surgery hospital.

When my mother’s (then unknown) brain aneurysm burst, my step-father (though he didn’t know what was wrong), didn’t bother with an ambulance. He drove her straight to the hospital. They happened to be set up for a brain surgery where for some reason the scheduled patient didn’t show up.

The hospital then contacted the Veterans Administration, and the VA had me come in right away for an MRI to ensure I had no aneurysm, as they are often hereditary. The VA also called my sister for the same (though she isn’t eligible it would have been a pre-existing condition when she joined the Army) and did an MRI for her too (also no).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:00:50pm

re: #225 Belafon

This was why one of the founding fathers, I think Madison, was worried about the Bill of Rights. Republicans can’t derive new rights from existing ones. If it doesn’t say it explicitly, they don’t believe it exists. Which is why, among other things, we truly need an explicit “Voting shall not be infringed” amendment.

Unless they want it, that is. Then they can find it. Or quote the 10th.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:05:13pm
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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:05:26pm

Why? To protect gun-owners’ eardrums. JFC this is insane.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:06:30pm

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

WARNING FOR CANADIANS: If you get sick while visiting the U.S. you are fucked.

That actually works the other way as well, though Canada charges far less for medical care than the USA does.

(CHAMPUS/Tricare covers care in every country so we’re safe until the GOP privatises military healthcare)

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:09:39pm

re: #232 JasonA

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Why? To protect gun-owners’ eardrums. JFC this is insane.

Conservatives really don’t understand economics, do they? A silencer suppressor is a whole lot more expensive than a pair of foamies and a hearing-protector.

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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:10:36pm

re: #234 Anymouse

Conservatives really don’t understand economics, do they? A silencer suppressor is a whole lot more expensive than a pair of foamies and a hearing-protector.

Do you think DT jr cares about that?

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:12:54pm

re: #234 Anymouse

Conservatives really don’t understand economics, do they? A silencer suppressor is a whole lot more expensive than a pair of foamies and a hearing-protector.

Oh, I’m sure they understand.

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blueraven  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:13:19pm

Meryl Streep taking it to Trump as only she can. Brava!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:14:52pm

Watching the Golden Globes. Meryl Streep

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:15:01pm
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:15:08pm

Go read and despair: dailykos.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:16:05pm

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

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All rules and regulations require coercion, Ben. You certainly don’t have a problem with that when those rules and regulations are in line with your ideological beliefs…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:18:54pm

re: #200 scottslemmons

You could have some fun with wingnuts in alternate universes where they didn’t have the wingnut wurlitzer to promote them and corrupt them. Shapiro without the childhood fame could be an actual success as a lawyer. Sarah Palin as a one-term governor and non-addled grandmother. Trump without his dad’s money would’ve been a small-time legbreaker for the Mob ‘til they shot him in his 30s for getting too ambitious. Alex Jones would’ve still been abducted by aliens in his 20s, but his brain would be toiling as a mind-slave on Arcturus-7 instead of getting stuffed full of mind-control tech today…

I’ve read that DT thought about being a movie producer when he was younger. Can you imagine that? How much better might the world be, if he went off and made crazy, bombastic, shitty movies that we all could watch drunk, instead of ruining the political future of the world?

He’d probably still be a pussy-grabbing assmonkey though, and put a lot of women through casting couch hell.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:19:42pm

Congratulations to the Golden Globe Award winners, although to be honest, I couldn’t possibly give less of a shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:19:43pm

re: #233 Anymouse

Yep. One night when my wife was visiting me in Canada and not feeling well we discovered she would have to pay $500 US just to be seen in a Canadian ER.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:20:56pm

re: #237 blueraven

Meryl Streep taking it to Trump as only she can. Brava!

She was on fire tonight. Very powerful, emotional speech calling out Trump and our useless media.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:21:32pm

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. One night when my wife was visiting me in Canada not feeling well we discovered she would have to pay $500 US just to be seen in a Canadian ER.

I wonder, does anyone maintain a page or database of these sorts of things? Mrs. Fish and I have interest in traveling the world, but it’d be good to know if, for example, on my next trip to India, if I eat something that disagrees with me and I get laid up in an Indian hospital, if I need to clear some space on my credit card to pay for an ER visit.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:22:05pm

Wingnut has a sad.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:22:56pm

re: #240 Belafon

Go read and despair: dailykos.com

Your window into the next 4 years, ladies and gentlemen.

“Awesome, that shitty Obamacare is gone…wait, this letter about my insurance policy being canceled just came in the mail. But that was covered by the ACA! No doubt the damned Democrats killed my insurance to punish me!”

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:23:18pm

re: #247 wheat-dogg

Wingnut has a sad.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:23:44pm

Twitter is FAST

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Timothy Watson  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:24:20pm

re: #247 wheat-dogg

Wingnut has a sad.

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As opposed to RWNJs like Bryan Fischer who got him fired from his last job with the Romney campaign.

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b.d.  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:25:36pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:26:24pm

re: #252 b.d.

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Russians celebrating is bad when it’s Obama, good when it’s Drumpf. Got it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:27:25pm

re: #252 b.d.

If Obama was flexible, then Trump is godammed Gumby by comparison.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:28:31pm

re: #254 wheat-dogg

If Obama was flexible, then Trump is godammed Gumby by comparison.

Orange gumby.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:29:05pm

re: #240 Belafon

Go read and despair: dailykos.com

Yeah…that image deserves a place in the LGF library for posterity:

Stop turning Idiocracy into a documentary, goddammit!

Also too, this validates prior criticism of Democrats’ woeful inability to sell themselves. If your message can’t penetrate the skulls of willfully ignorant dunderheads like this - you know, the ones who live in the states that count electorally and actually decide elections - it’s too complicated.

So-called “swing voters” are misinformed morons. Treat them as such without letting them realize it if you want to win elections again.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:29:07pm

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

Long before I became an American citizen, I had an asthma attack which hospitalized me for several days in the US. Thankfully, my Dad’s company helped pay the large bill along with OHIP (Ontario health insurance). The stories in your link are downright scary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:29:41pm

I saw this on FB - Wikileak’s cover pic:

Are you fucking kidding me?

Enabling authoritarian regimes all over the world!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:30:54pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

Co-opting Christian mythology for their own ends. Little shits.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:31:20pm

re: #247 wheat-dogg

Wingnut has a sad.

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But Republicans are so tolerant that they elected a sexist, racist, xenophobic bigot. And Republicans are so tolerant that their VP is an avowed homophobic jerk. Nice.

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:33:19pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:34:42pm

re: #261 JasonA

Things like this are why I try to tip well (try = when I can remember to; sometimes the mental math fails me in the heat of the moment). I still maintain that every U.S. citizen should be required to work at least one customer service job for a duration not less than three months, in order to learn empathy and how to deal with completely fucking unhinged morons.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:36:24pm

re: #237 blueraven

Meryl Streep taking it to Trump as only she can. Brava!

re: #245 Patricia Kayden

She was on fire tonight. Very powerful, emotional speech calling out Trump and our useless media.

Did you catch the flash to Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn. I actually would have liked to have seen what they were doing when everyone else was clapping.

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:37:20pm

re: #262 thedopefishlives

I do 20% of the total after tax. I find that easiest to calculate.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:38:08pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

Yeah…that image deserves a place in the LGF library for posterity:

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Also too, this validates prior criticism of Democrats’ woeful inability to sell themselves. If your message can’t penetrate the skulls of willfully ignorant dunderheads like this - you know, the ones who live in the states that count electorally and actually decide elections - it’s too complicated.

So-called “swing voters” are misinformed morons. Treat them as such without letting them realize it if you want to win elections again.

It’s just another example of what Putin knew. Our wingnuts are extremely susceptible to being mislead by propaganda.

For the ACA the propaganda was distributed by the Republicans and their friends in the media.

Seems to me Putin was watching and learned that lesson. When did we get RT America? Wiki says 2010.

I’m sure that was just a coincidence. Or, maybe we can call that a marketing strategy. Political marketing.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:38:20pm

re: #264 William Lewis

I do 20% of the total after tax. I find that easiest to calculate.

I usually try to do 20% or, more frequently, 25%. Yes, I am overly generous (see a previous comment in this thread). I admit that I often over-complicate the math by trying to round up to the nearest whole dollar, and especially if I am as inebriated as I am now, that calculation often does not compute.

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:38:30pm

re: #262 thedopefishlives

Things like this are why I try to tip well (try = when I can remember to; sometimes the mental math fails me in the heat of the moment). I still maintain that every U.S. citizen should be required to work at least one customer service job for a duration not less than three months, in order to learn empathy and how to deal with completely fucking unhinged morons.

I hate the concept of tipping. It has nothing at all to do with rewarding your server when they’re split amongst the staff. Just raise their goddamn wages already. Jeez.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:39:02pm

re: #263 Belafon

They looked serious but so did everyone else. I would hope they could find it in themselves to applaud Ms. Streep’s truth telling even if for some odd reason they voted for Trump.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:40:29pm

re: #247 wheat-dogg

Wingnut has a sad.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:40:36pm

re: #261 JasonA

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That restaurant should release their names and ban them. This is crazy.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:40:53pm

re: #262 thedopefishlives

Things like this are why I try to tip well (try = when I can remember to; sometimes the mental math fails me in the heat of the moment). I still maintain that every U.S. citizen should be required to work at least one customer service job for a duration not less than three months, in order to learn empathy and how to deal with completely fucking unhinged morons.

I just tip 20%. Easier to do in my head. Multiply by 2 and move the decimal over one space.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:41:32pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

I just tip 20%. Easier to do in my head. Multiply by 2 and move the decimal over one space.

Just make sure to move it to the LEFT, not the right.

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:42:05pm

So tired of this nonsense.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:42:45pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

I just tip 20%. Easier to do in my head. Multiply by 2 and move the decimal over one space.

Lately with delivery drivers, this is about all I can manage. I only order delivery these days if I’m expecting not to be in a fit state to cook when dinner time rolls around.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:42:57pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Just make sure to move it to the LEFT, not the right.

Haha. I used to have a service job. I’m not bound to forget.

My problem now is to remember to tip, because it’s not done in China.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:43:02pm

re: #263 Belafon

Did you catch the flash to Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn. I actually would have liked to have seen what they were doing when everyone else was clapping.

Mel, with 20-ish year old pregnant GF was reaching for his ear. He can’t hear.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:43:41pm

re: #273 JasonA

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So tired of this nonsense.

“If you don’t stop being mean to Trump, he’ll get reelected!”

Gee, that’s a nice way of saying millions of my fellow Americans are spiteful fuckers.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:44:47pm

re: #273 JasonA

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So tired of this nonsense.

She needs to keep making money on her faux conservative career.

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b.d.  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:44:47pm

Wingnuts hate Hollywood but keep putting up actors and TV stars as their candidates.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:45:00pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

“If you don’t stop being mean to Trump, he’ll get reelected!”

Gee, that’s a nice way of saying millions of my fellow Americans are spiteful fuckers.

LEAVE BRITNEY DRUMPF ALONE!!!!!

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:45:08pm
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:45:54pm

re: #273 JasonA

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:48:10pm

re: #281 JasonA

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Don’t call people stupid for voting for Trump, or they’ll feel the need to prove you right.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:48:11pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

I wonder, does anyone maintain a page or database of these sorts of things? Mrs. Fish and I have interest in traveling the world, but it’d be good to know if, for example, on my next trip to India, if I eat something that disagrees with me and I get laid up in an Indian hospital, if I need to clear some space on my credit card to pay for an ER visit.

You can buy health insurance for international travel. If you use a travel agent (a real one, not a Website), they can arrange that for you. If not, you can speak to your own insurance agent (car, house, &c) and they can either show you policies he offers or direct you to another company that does offer insurance.

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bratwurst  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:48:19pm

Hollywood attacked John McCain quite a bit…didn’t seem to help him get elected POTUS.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:48:33pm

re: #282 Belafon

Meghan and the rest of the McCain family voting for him helped too.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:50:17pm

Insurance Providers for Overseas Travel (goes to the State Department)

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Joe Bacon  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:51:16pm

re: #169 thedopefishlives

One of the reasons I stopped attending the local megachurch is because the pastor of said church delivered a woeful soliloquy about how he was such a charity case for voluntarily giving up the church’s private jet when the recession hit. I threw up a little in my mouth.

The last time I had to step foot in a church was 1986. My aunt made me go with her to listen to her “Spirit-Filled Preacher” perform a 45 minute sermon about why the rich needed more tax cuts.

The church bulletin had a stuffer from the Republican Party filled with the latest asskissing of St. Ronnie.

I walked out and I never regretted it. It’s been 31 years since I wasted any time in a church pew. On Sunday mornings, I do something more constructive—I go to the gym and work out. Beats sleeping in a church pew listening to the latest Republican Party talking points.

I used to detest Falwell, but there is one big plus that he did—by turning churches into Republican Party cells, millions of people walked out of churches and they will never go back. And more people are leaving those scams every Sunday!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:51:31pm

re: #284 Anymouse

You can buy health insurance for international travel. If you use a travel agent (a real one, not a Website), they can arrange that for you. If not, you can speak to your own insurance agent (car, house, &c) and they can either show you policies he offers or direct you to another company that does offer insurance.

Oh, thank you. That may be worth investigating when my turn comes to visit my partners on the opposite side of the planet. And then again whenever Mrs. Fish and I go on an intercontinental visitation.

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scottslemmons  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:51:43pm

Someone ask Megan if she remembers who her dad picked as his running mate.

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blueraven  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:51:51pm

WTF? Does Mehgan McCain think she has a “legitimate” voice but Meryrl Steep doesn’t?

GFY Mehgan.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:52:14pm

Is okay to admit I have never been a Vince Vaughn fan and I find him to be an asshole?

Because I do.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:52:20pm

re: #288 Joe Bacon

For the record - this same megachurch has hosted Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) as a regular featured speaker.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:52:46pm

re: #281 JasonA

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:53:28pm

re: #292 ObserverArt

Is okay to admit I have never been a Vince Vaughn fan and I find him to be an asshole?

Because I do.

If it makes you feel better, I happen to agree with you on this. I have a hard time with his comedy and find him pretentious at best.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:54:06pm

re: #288 Joe Bacon

The last time I had to step foot in a church was 1986. My aunt made me go with her to listen to her “Spirit-Filled Preacher” perform a 45 minute sermon about why the rich needed more tax cuts.

The church bulletin had a stuffer from the Republican Party filled with the latest asskissing of St. Ronnie.

I walked out and I never regretted it. It’s been 31 years since I wasted any time in a church pew. On Sunday mornings, I do something more constructive—I go to the gym and work out. Beats sleeping in a church pew listening to the latest Republican Party talking points.

I used to detest Falwell, but there is one big plus that he did—by turning churches into Republican Party cells, millions of people walked out of churches and they will never go back. And more people are leaving those scams every Sunday!

I am only seen in a church when someone from my local community has invited me (for example, a wedding), or when someone in my village dies and has a funeral service in a church. (As a trustee, I think it important to appear for the family left when a villager dies.)

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:55:19pm

re: #289 thedopefishlives

Oh, thank you. That may be worth investigating when my turn comes to visit my partners on the opposite side of the planet. And then again whenever Mrs. Fish and I go on an intercontinental visitation.

See also the State Department page I linked above, which lists numerous insurance companies and contact information for them that specifically provide international health insurance.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:56:08pm

The other thing? Trump mocked a disabled man, attacked a POW for getting captured, lied incessantly, launched a racist attack on a judge that even Paul Ryan described as ‘Textbook Racism’, attacked a number of women for their appearance; attacked a Gold Star family, promised to ban all immigration by Muslims, publicly asked a foreign government to hack the US Government to benefit his campaign - and these are only the highlights - and STILL the entire GOP lined up behind him and said, “THIS is what I want in a President!”

THAT is why Trump was fucking elected, because one party saw ALL THAT, and they were fine with it.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:57:02pm

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing? Trump mocked a disabled man, attacked a POW for getting captured, lied incessantly, launched a racist attack on a judge that even Paul Ryan described as ‘Textbook Racism’, attacked a number of women for their appearance; attacked a Gold Star family, promised to ban all immigration by Muslims, publicly asked a foreign government to hack the US Government to benefit his campaign - and these are only the highlights - and STILL the entire GOP lined up behind him and said, “THIS is what I want in a President!”

Remember this gruesome twosome?

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:57:20pm

re: #297 Anymouse

See also the State Department page I linked above, which lists numerous insurance companies and contact information for them that specifically provide international health insurance.

This is why I love the Lizardim. So helpful in those areas of adulting with which I have little experience. Like world travel.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:59:30pm

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing? Trump mocked a disabled man, attacked a POW for getting captured, lied incessantly, launched a racist attack on a judge that even Paul Ryan described as ‘Textbook Racism’, attacked a number of women for their appearance; attacked a Gold Star family, promised to ban all immigration by Muslims, publicly asked a foreign government to hack the US Government to benefit his campaign - and these are only the highlights - and STILL the entire GOP lined up behind him and said, “THIS is what I want in a President!”

THAT is why Trump was fucking elected, because one party saw ALL THAT, and they were fine with it.

Around here, a lot of voters didn’t see all that. FOX News, right-wing radio, conservative-owned local newspapers, no Internet service except at the library and my house.

I passed along information to a Vietnam veteran in town yesterday (the guy my wife got to switch from Trump to Johnson) on the GOP’s plans to privatise the VA and more immediately close the Hot Springs, SD VA hospital where he goes for care. He actually didn’t know any of their plans for the VA. The VA itself, being a government agency, is not allowed to comment on proposed political issues.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 7:59:57pm

re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus

This Meryl Streep speech is why Trump won. And if people in Hollywood don’t start recognizing why and how - you will help him get re-elected

“Why can’t you all stop reminding me I find corruption acceptable?”

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:00:44pm

lYfyoAsJQretWNq3nkEy+raXvUoYq50d89SPFosAiDTQaBfudPRfxXW3qapozVkw

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:00:46pm

re: #300 thedopefishlives

This is why I love the Lizardim. So helpful in those areas of adulting with which I have little experience. Like world travel.

And I am new around here. Experienced LGFers would probably be more helpful.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:01:42pm

re: #304 Anymouse

And I am new around here. Experienced LGFers would probably be more helpful.

Truthfully, each of us brings something different to the table. Doesn’t matter if you’re new or if you’ve been around as long as Charles himself.

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JasonA  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:02:41pm

re: #305 thedopefishlives

Truthfully, each of us brings something different to the table. Doesn’t matter if you’re new or if you’ve been around as long as Charles himself.

Hell, I’ve been here since ‘09 and I’m pretty damn near useless…

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:02:47pm

re: #305 thedopefishlives

Truthfully, each of us brings something different to the table. Doesn’t matter if you’re new or if you’ve been around as long as Charles himself.

And Mr. Johnson is older than dirt. (::

(Actually, I believe from his photo he is younger than me, but that was fun to say.)

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:03:01pm

re: #303 Dave In Austin

36J4mC3Y9ZPDVUpf3amaB0caqDO9aXPaUkjZlfCC09slnlhNKAO7OCpIs1CVKAsOrbWCvVz/v3lxkGVvmbgY9JkLJUhNES9ZmaIB5AO1/k0pbOgr6UhzLGGGpFexe4lhcJI1MXouUYVs1c8uJX6t2ZLJzAS8hFOBSn7j5AE7erWcOJ3gOOiN0/3s01Mc79lc

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:03:57pm

re: #295 thedopefishlives

If it makes you feel better, I happen to agree with you on this. I have a hard time with his comedy and find him pretentious at best.

I haven’t watched a lot of movies of his, but that is because a lot of time I see him playing unlikable characters as some kind of a bully or jerk. I have a feeling he gets some of those parts because he really doesn’t have to act.

And then I read stuff about his politics and I just can’t. Maybe I am wrong but the guy gives me bad vibes.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:04:05pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea

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I have no doubt.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:06:22pm
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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:06:45pm

Aristocracy.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:08:13pm

re: #307 Anymouse

And Mr. Johnson is older than dirt. (::

(Actually, I believe from his photo he is younger than me, but that was fun to say.)

You might just be surprised. And I don’t know Charles’ age, but guessing by his music career…

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:08:29pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:10:57pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:15:07pm

re: #315 Interesting Times

Classic. Almost as good as the FB comment about the ACA being better than Obamacare.

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Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:16:19pm

A couple days old, but funny.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:17:35pm
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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:19:11pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:21:28pm

re: #319 jaunte

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“made its intended audience laugh…& show their teeth”

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:22:14pm
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Fineday  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:22:21pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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China has decided to spend $ 350 billion on green energy, which they expect will create 13 million new jobs and of course make China the undisputed leader of green tech innovation.

Trump wants to defund green energy and bring back jobs in the coal industry.

Any guesses on who is betting on the winning horse here?

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:22:27pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

I wonder, does anyone maintain a page or database of these sorts of things? Mrs. Fish and I have interest in traveling the world, but it’d be good to know if, for example, on my next trip to India, if I eat something that disagrees with me and I get laid up in an Indian hospital, if I need to clear some space on my credit card to pay for an ER visit.

Buy travel insurance.

ETA: travelinsured.com is the one I use.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:23:05pm
325
wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:24:53pm

Holy shit! Betty F*ckin’ White liked my retweet! I’ve made the big time, guys!

Also jaunte did too, but Betty White!

326
Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:25:12pm
327
retired cynic  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:26:04pm

re: #325 wheat-dogg

Holy shit! Betty F*ckin’ White liked my retweet! I’ve made the big time, guys!

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Also jaunte did too, but Betty White!

Congratulations! No higher honor!

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Moebym  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:26:05pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

It makes me sick that we have to cater to these morons just to win elections so we can institute policies to help said morons, who will be ungrateful and vote us out just so they can get screwed again by Republicans.

re: #257 Patricia Kayden

Oh, give me a fucking break. They make shit up, call it “truth”, and legions of drooling idiots worship at their feet and call them “freedom fighters”.

329
jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:29:37pm

re: #325 wheat-dogg

I have to admit I’m no Betty White.

330
unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:30:05pm

re: #306 JasonA

Hell, I’ve been here since ‘09 and I’m pretty damn near useless…

Since ‘01, myself.

331
calochortus  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:36:28pm

re: #306 JasonA

Hell, I’ve been here since ‘09 and I’m pretty damn near useless…

Me too. I like to think I provide a low benchmark so others feel better about themselves.

332
ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:37:38pm

re: #331 calochortus

Me too. I like to think I provide a low benchmark so others feel better about themselves.

LGF grades on a curve. We all win.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:38:00pm

Syrian man came to Calgary with his family, and immediately got treatment for his cancer. Sadly, he died at age 29, leaving behind his wife and two young children. The refugee support group in Calgary has started a GoFundMe to support his family.

If interested gofundme.com

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:41:05pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

traveinsured.com is the one I use.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:43:37pm

re: #321 jaunte

336
Anymouse  Jan 8, 2017 • 8:51:54pm

Hemant Mehta (the Friendly Atheist at Patheos) reports on the Joplin, Mo. school board shutting down an after-school Bible study group.

He notes that the school board intentionally misdirected the parents into believing atheists had it shut down over Bible study. (After school Bible study is perfectly legal, as long as it conforms to the rules of other after school groups.)

The American Humanist Association wrote a letter of concern to the school board that outside preachers were being invited to lead the group, faculty members were leading the group, and students were being bribed with doughnuts to attend the group. (All this is illegal.)

He links to a local news outlet in his article, where he notes that little of any of that is mentioned. AHA has not yet decided on a strategy, because the school notified them on Friday the group was shut down. (AHA was not interested in shutting the Bible study group down, just the illegal proselytisation and bribery.)

It would be interesting if the AHA took on the school on behalf of the group being shut down by the school board. That would confuse the hell out of them (atheists defending Christians’ rights to hold Bible study).

patheos.com

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:02:23pm

They hate hollywood only because hollywood doesn’t like them.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:08:14pm
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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:09:29pm

re: #337 Stanley Sea

They hate hollywood only because hollywood doesn’t like them.

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How hard has Trump been trying to get them, ANYONE with a name to come perform for his inauguration? He’s tried everything including bribery with ambassadorships in desperation to no avail.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:11:25pm

re: #235 retired cynic

Do you think DT jr cares about that?

No.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:17:50pm

re: #339 allegro

How hard has Trump been trying to get them, ANYONE with a name to come perform for his inauguration? He’s tried everything including bribery with ambassadorships in desperation to no avail.

SAD

And it kills him.

The Showman with no fans.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:22:18pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

SAD

And it kills him.

The Showman with no fans.

He’s still the horrid little kid no one liked - not a single childhood friend. He tried to buy his way into the cool kids club. Didn’t work. Now elected POTUS and still won’t work. He even said as much in his meeting with the tech leaders about how now they had to like him. It is sad. I might even feel for him if he wasn’t such a malevolent, destructive ass.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2017 • 9:31:44pm

re: #325 wheat-dogg

Holy shit! Betty F*ckin’ White liked my retweet! I’ve made the big time, guys!

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Also jaunte did too, but Betty White!

Hate to burst your bubble, that’s not really Betty White’s Twitter.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 10:05:16pm

re: #273 JasonA

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So tired of this nonsense.

Fuck of Meghan, and take your daddy with you.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 10:06:56pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

Mel, with 20-ish year old pregnant GF was reaching for his ear. He can’t hear.

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That picture is priceless. Mel and Vince, if looks could kill. And the girlfriend looking like she’s expecting a tirade as soon as they leave.

Tough shit, assholes.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 10:15:51pm

re: #321 jaunte

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I’ll bet Meryl is just quaking in her boots about whatever thought-like things Tomi comes up with (many Kayleight McInidiot will share her deep reflections as well.)

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2017 • 10:19:09pm

re: #329 jaunte

I have to admit I’m no Betty White.

Nor is that twitter account, sorry to say.


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