Trump will tear down the CIA so he can rebuild it as a Gestapo torture palace. The slimy contractors and “consultants” who set up and ran the torture system during the Bush administration are getting ready for a big comeback.

Quote him all you want, his spinners will be there remind us to listen to his heart and not his pie hole…

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Good morning!

Erik Prince and his creepy fundamentalist mercenary gang are obvious favorites of the Trump cabal. His weirdo Amway princess sister is already in charge of education. Will Erik and Son-of-Blackwater be taking over intel and special ops?

What damaging info does Putin have on Trump that is so horrific he has to be at the Kremlin’s beck and call?

He was in Moscow for a Miss Universe pageant and he could have been up to any number of shenanigans in his bugged hotel room, but what could he have done that he wouldn’t own and actually be proud of? Dead girl? Live boy? Small animals?

Or does Putin know exactly how much money he really has and how much he’s in over his head to the Russian mob?

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

Erik Prince and his creepy fundamentalist mercenary gang are obvious favorites of the Trump cabal. His weirdo Amway princess sister is already in charge of education. Will Erik and Son-of-Blackwater be taking over intel and special ops?

Holding out hope that DeVos doesn’t make it past ethics investigation.

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

What damaging info does Putin have on Trump that is so horrific he has to be at the Kremlin’s beck and call?

He was in Moscow for a Miss Universe pageant and he could have been up to any number of shenanigans in his bugged hotel room, but what could he have done that he wouldn’t own and actually be proud of? Dead girl? Live boy? Small animals?

Or does Putin know exactly how much money he really has and how much he’s in over his head to the Russian mob?

Putin has copies of his tax returns.

From previous thread:

@RazorLou Dudley Nightshade

— Michael James (@alephnaught) January 10, 2017

@RazorLou Main Saranwrap

— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) January 10, 2017

@RazorLou Votrobeck Blast Furnace

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

@aceoaces 1993 was called The Year September Never Ended https://t.co/dR4BJpBdC7 , I think 2016 will be The Year That Never Ended.

— jay (@random__name) January 10, 2017

re: #6 Barefoot Grin

Holding out hope that DeVos doesn’t make it past ethics investigation.

What ethics investigation? Senator McConnell has already made it quite clear that “it’s okay if you’re a Republican” on not completing such pesky details as ethics paperwork.

Senator Chuck Schumer read Senator McConnell’s letter to Harry Reid eight years ago about the insistence of following the ethics and background check process.

They don’t care. They want people like Betsy DeVos.

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

For the sake of clarity, Erik Prince is no longer associated with the former Blackwater firm (now known as Academi). That hasn’t kept him off the dark side since his departure, though—-far from it. At one point he was hired by the UAE to organize a force of 800+ mercenaries in response to local jitters about “Arab Spring.” He also created an anti-piracy operation off Somalia and is currently involved with Chinese backed oil investments in Africa.

re: #12 Anymouse

DeVos’s hearing has been delayed because she hasn’t cleared the Ethics office. Seems she has ties to a company that refinances student loans, a company that is not allowed to offer loans directly to students.

Still reading through that creationism thread.

Somewhere around comment #1,300 people got mad enough at each other that everyone started bolding their comments.

Tons of “Well screw you, Charles, I’m flouncing.”

I only recognise a couple names in that thread that I have seen since I joined here. It would appear the overwhelming majority of commentators left after Mr. Johnson changed the thrust of his Website.

It is a fascinating study into the minds of people who hold positions they will not change, as well as the history of LGF.

re: #15 Anymouse

Still reading through that creationism thread.

Somewhere around comment #1,300 people got mad enough at each other that everyone started bolding their comments.

Tons of “Well screw you, Charles, I’m flouncing.”

I only recognise a couple names in that thread that I have seen since I joined here. It would appear the overwhelming majority of commentators left after Mr. Johnson changed the thrust of his Website.

It is a fascinating study into the minds of people who hold positions they will not change, as well as the history of LGF.

Funny to see something like that rearing its ugly head here.

Climate Change debates seem to have died out here, too.

‘Morning!

I like the idea that someone brought up yesterday - employing the Hold in the Senate.

Any senator, for any reason, can anonymously place a ‘hold’ on a nomination and prevent it from even being scheduled for a hearing.

Dems should use that on every single nominee, and keep the holds in place until McConnell agrees to play by the rules and submit to the ethics clearance process.

Of course, nothing is stopping them from just doing away with the holds altogether, but they should at least take the step and force Turtle’s hand on it.

I am SO glad I waited to read and post here…I’d have been banned so many times that even Rage Furby would never be able to catch up with me.

I’m only 140 comments into that long-dead thread…WOW.

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Funny to see something like that rearing its ugly head here.

Climate Change debates seem to have died out here, too.

Around comment #1,400 the commentary segues into the “Jewish Inquisition” whatever that is.

That thread is from several years ago. (There is also a lot of bashing of Al Gore, Scientific America as PC liberal nonsense, global warming is a liberal Marxist moneygrab, &c)

re: #19 Anymouse

Around comment #1,400 the commentary segues into the “Jewish Inquisition” whatever that is.

That thread is from several years ago. (There is also a lot of bashing of Al Gore, Scientific America as PC liberal nonsense, global warming is a liberal Marxist moneygrab, &c)

WTF! Who made that comment?

re: #17 makeitstop

‘Morning!

I like the idea that someone brought up yesterday - employing the Hold in the Senate.

Any senator, for any reason, can anonymously place a ‘hold’ on a nomination and prevent it from even being scheduled for a hearing.

Dems should use that on every single nominee, and keep the holds in place until McConnell agrees to play by the rules and submit to the ethics clearance process.

Of course, nothing is stopping them from just doing away with the holds altogether, but they should at least take the step and force Turtle’s hand on it.

I’m guessing that rule of Senate holds will die.

Of the nine Donald Trump Cabinet picks who were to head to Capitol Hill for confirmation hearings this week, only six have reached agreements with the independent Office of Government Ethics to resolve potential ethical conflicts stemming from their personal finances, according to a POLITICO review of public records.

By contrast, all seven of Barack Obama’s Cabinet selections facing confirmation hearings at this point in the process in 2009 had already signed ethics agreements.

Some of them have, at least.

re: #21 Anymouse

I’m guessing that rule of Senate holds will die.

If it hasn’t already. Who knows what the hell was in that rules package?

re: #19 Anymouse

Around comment #1,400 the commentary segues into the “Jewish Inquisition” whatever that is.

That thread is from several years ago. (There is also a lot of bashing of Al Gore, Scientific America as PC liberal nonsense, global warming is a liberal Marxist moneygrab, &c)

I had an issue with Al Gore, but it was more of a personal one: I found it rather arrogant of him thinking that he could put his political past behind him and become and Elder Statesman and spokesman for climate change.

As much as I tried to state that my views on him personally had nothing to do with my views on climate change or even his, a lot of people grew upset about them, so I just left the climate change take their usual pointless course.

LA TIMES gives the Doughy Pantload a platform to toss word salad about Fuckface Von Clownstick’s “Governance by Twitter” style

Trump can’t lead by tweet, writes @JonahNRO https://t.co/0OTIJ2W4i8 via @latimesopinion pic.twitter.com/B4BYDnyrKa

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) January 10, 2017

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

LA TIMES gives the Doughy Pantload a platform to toss word salad about Fuckface Von Clownstick’s “Governance by Twitter” style

Ever since I noticed that “trending on Twitter” was seen as a valid news item, I feared for the future of our republic.

People like Breitbart and Drudge figured out that all you have to do is float a story out there and it will develop a life of its own and eventually get picked up by the “serious” media and discussed as if it had some sort of merit.

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ever since I noticed that “trending on Twitter” was seen as a valid news item, I feared for the future of our republic.

People like Breitbart and Drudge figured out that all you have to do is float a story out there and it will develop a life of its own and eventually get picked up by the “serious” media and discussed as if it had some sort of merit.

Like Pizzagate and BLMKidnapping. *spit*

Greets and saluts from the crisp and cold NYC metro area. Temps around here are starting to rebound and should be approaching 60 degrees by Friday, before another cooldown and chance of snow.

The GOP continues spewing endless nonsense about Obamacare and repealing it and how it’s the worst thing since sliced cheese, and yet they can’t actually point to specific issues they find fault with that actually make Obamacare worse than the health insurance as it existed before it was enacted.

That’s telling. It’s also telling that far too many GOPers and right wingers don’t get that the ACA is Obamacare. They seem to think that Obamacare is something entirely different.

😔 pic.twitter.com/wqdMRx7Fft

— David Yankovich (@DavidYankovich) January 10, 2017

One more time, using small words:
Obamacare = ACA. Repeal Obamacare and you repeal the ACA. If you think otherwise, you’ve been duped by GOP https://t.co/WwT2miMBLE

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 10, 2017

That’s how badly screwed these people are. They’ve bought the lie that Obamacare is evil, but the ACA might be salvagable, because reasons. The GOP, through its media mouthpieces and serial liars like Paul Ryan continue spewing absurd claims about Obamacare, death spirals, and how it’s made care worse, when the opposite is true. The program has been quite successful; we don’t hear nearly so much about medical bankruptcies - both individuals and hospitals - because more people are covered and the care is picked up by insurance.

Yes, insurance premiums are still high and some carriers are getting out of some markets - but they’re also playing games, such as demanding acceptance of mergers/acquisitions in exchange for staying in markets (see Aetna); and premiums rose far faster before the ACA was in place - lack of transparency was a huge issue; it’s still an issue, but we have more information than we did previously.

The ACA also created incentives for hospitals to reduce repeat visits - the result of patients getting hospital acquired infections or being released too soon. All these things help reduce costs, because if you can prevent a hospital acquired infection, you can not only save thousands on the hospital room/care, but the patient will be able to get home and recover faster.

The GOP is likely to gut all this in the name of repealing Obamacare. They only have a repeal in mind, and have no set replacement plan, which is odd given their 7 years of bitching about how Obamacare sucks and they’ve got a better way (hint - they really don’t, except to push all the costs on to the patients already suffering from medical maladies).

From now on, if you want the name of the GOP alternative to Obamacare, here it is:

#GOPDontCare.

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

WTF! Who made that comment?

There are a whole bunch of them there.

#1 GlobularCluster: Ah yes, Scientific American. The Bush-hating, global-warming loving “progressive” advocacy magazine.
#17 Flushing_kenny: Ah yes, Scientific American. Growing up, this was a great magazine full of high end and very scientific language. One of my favorite articles was an analysis of crossbow technology that I read in high school. Unfortunately, with the dumbing down of America, they reduced themselves to the level of Discover and New Scientist.
#21 NoSpam: That’s about right. I remember when they used to actually report on real science, not this fluff-sci PC political crap. Its a sad day when I have to get my science off the internet…(Of course, when you have student/corporate access to all the top journals for free, this is pretty easy.) [responding to #1]
#49 beachkatie: Science is starting to suck.Global warming made it stink more people!

… many more …

#1,566 DownRightMeanAmerican: Of course the Scientific American also twists the story to fit their own pigeonhole agenda, selective retelling of the story indeed.
#1,565 (same person): Of course the Scientific American also twists the story to fit their own pigeonhole agenda, selective retelling of the story indeed.
littlegreenfootballs.com

It’s a fascinating read: Mr. Johnson was posting about Ben Stein’s movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed and posted commentary and links to others critical of Mr. Stein’s conclusions. The crowd went wild (and a lot of them were quite angry with each other, seeking blood)

re: #28 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the crisp and cold NYC metro area. Temps around here are starting to rebound and should be approaching 60 degrees by Friday, before another cooldown and chance of snow.

The GOP continues spewing endless nonsense about Obamacare and repealing it and how it’s the worst thing since sliced cheese, and yet they can’t actually point to specific issues they find fault with that actually make Obamacare worse than the health insurance as it existed before it was enacted.

That’s telling. It’s also telling that far too many GOPers and right wingers don’t get that the ACA is Obamacare. They seem to think that Obamacare is something entirely different.

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That’s how badly screwed these people are. They’ve bought the lie that Obamacare is evil, but the ACA might be salvagable, because reasons. The GOP, through its media mouthpieces and serial liars like Paul Ryan continue spewing absurd claims about Obamacare, death spirals, and how it’s made care worse, when the opposite is true. The program has been quite successful; we don’t hear nearly so much about medical bankruptcies - both individuals and hospitals - because more people are covered and the care is picked up by insurance.

Yes, insurance premiums are still high and some carriers are getting out of some markets - but they’re also playing games, such as demanding acceptance of mergers/acquisitions in exchange for staying in markets (see Aetna); and premiums rose far faster before the ACA was in place - lack of transparency was a huge issue; it’s still an issue, but we have more information than we did previously.

The ACA also created incentives for hospitals to reduce repeat visits - the result of patients getting hospital acquired infections or being released too soon. All these things help reduce costs, because if you can prevent a hospital acquired infection, you can not only save thousands on the hospital room/care, but the patient will be able to get home and recover faster.

The GOP is likely to gut all this in the name of repealing Obamacare. They only have a repeal in mind, and have no set replacement plan, which is odd given their 7 years of bitching about how Obamacare sucks and they’ve got a better way (hint - they really don’t, except to push all the costs on to the patients already suffering from medical maladies).

From now on, if you want the name of the GOP alternative to Obamacare, here it is:

#GOPDontCare.

svonewsletter has blocked Baba. I haz a devastate. :(

re: #29 Anymouse

There are a whole bunch of them there.

I was asking about the “Jewish Inquisition” comment, who made that?

I know Trump & GOP think billionaires who’ve spent their lives screwing workers need no vetting. So imagine they’re kids fleeing a war zone.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) January 10, 2017

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

I was asking about the “Jewish Inquisition” comment, who made that?

#1,469 is the first time it shows up, by A. van Hitlen:

re: #1459 katemaclaren

There’s a Jewish pope?

More like a Jewish Torquemada. No one expects the Jewish Inquisition, ya know?

This may be factual, actually, as he was said to have had Jewish ancestry.

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

This is why I stopped reading the Lies Angeles Times.

re: #33 Anymouse

#1,469 is the first time it shows up, by A. van Hitlen:

re: #1459 katemaclaren

There’s a Jewish pope?

More like a Jewish Torquemada. No one expects the Jewish Inquisition, ya know?

This may be factual, actually, as he was said to have had Jewish ancestry.

What in the utter pluperfect fuck

How can someone even be allowed here with that screen nic

It’s a very common tactic of anti-Semites (I prefer the old fashioned term JEW HATER) to claim they have “Jewish ancestry” so therefore can’t be accused of “anti-Semitism”

Sessions AG confirmation hearings start today.

There’s a lot of right wing spin, but let’s be absolutely clear. Sessions has an awful civil rights record. He lied about his role in several cases - he claimed to be integral to the cases being prosecuted, but the actual lawyers from the Justice Department state he was no where to be found. They attach his name to the case as a matter of policy, not because he actually did anything.

And several of the cases were initiated before Sessions even began working.

Fact Checker: Does Sen. Jeff Sessions have a ‘strong record’ on civil rights enforcement? https://t.co/rehDnxEsGm

— Michelle Ye Hee Lee (@myhlee) January 10, 2017

No. That’s the answer you’re looking for. https://t.co/dbf9dO5aYi

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 10, 2017

Once you get past the civil rights stuff, it’s actually downhill from there.

Consider that Sen. Cory Booker will be testifying against Sessions. That’s a US Senator testifying against a former Senator seeking confirmation. That’s not a common situation, but this isn’t a normal transition period and it’s certainly not normal for Trump’s nominees to not have all their paperwork done in time for hearings.

The Trump shit show is just getting started today, and they’re hoping to overwhelm the senses with a BS avalanche, starting with the Sessions confirmation hearing.

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

I was thinking about that very thing this morning. When someone says we’re a Christian nation, point at the incident with the children from Central America and tell them we haven’t been since at least that day. And Trump’s election by “Christians” further confirms it.

It sucks in The D today

Snow’s timing leaves messy rush-hour commute in Metro Detroit. https://t.co/OBdis2LFsl #miwx pic.twitter.com/r5C86DJAU9

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) January 10, 2017

re: #37 lawhawk

John Lewis is also expected to testify.

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter pluperfect fuck

How can someone even be allowed here with that screen nic

Well, that was several years ago here. I do not know what the rules were then.

I do know Mr. Johnson would not allow it now. Reading old posts I am aware he worked then to keep out such people as white supremacists and Nazis, but running a site this size perhaps prevented him from catching that.

On that particular post, he was spending hours swinging the banhammer on people’s accounts (considering some of what I have read there so far, they must have been pretty egregious).

re: #37 lawhawk

You wrote:

Consider that Sen. Cory Booker will be testifying against Sessions. That’s a US Senator testifying against a former Senator seeking confirmation.

Actually, Jeff Sessions is a current senator.

#1,512: nikis-knight: Frankly, I’m just hoping Charles doesn’t adopt Zombie’s hypothetical strategy from a week or so ago—drive away the Bible thumpers to lure in the progressives who might be convinced to help fight Islamists. Because driving away stalwart allies to replace them with fickle ones is a losing strategy.

Question to Mr. Johnson: are your new allies “fickle?”

The GOP is pumping the brakes on repealing Obamacare https://t.co/B0e3gy2ddZ pic.twitter.com/CULvUJ2SeT

— BI Politics (@bi_politics) January 10, 2017

#1,527 Thanos: Going to a rabid secularist loon like [Richard] Dawkins for a movie like this is the equivalent of interviewing Fred Phelps for a documentary on modern Christianity. There was a Christian Evolutionary Biologist who was interviewed but then excluded - if this was an honest presentation they why did they leave the Christian Evolutionist on the cutting room floor?

There are some, like Thanos, who did not jump ship when Mr. Johnson changed the direction of his Website.

While I have not read too many of Thanos’s posts here, it would appear that he considered Mr. Johnson’s reasons for his shift at LGF and agreed with Mr. Johnson’s reasons for that.

re: #43 Anymouse

#1,512: nikis-knight: Frankly, I’m just hoping Charles doesn’t adopt Zombie’s hypothetical strategy from a week or so ago—drive away the Bible thumpers to lure in the progressives who might be convinced to help fight Islamists. Because driving away stalwart allies to replace them with fickle ones is a losing strategy.

Question to Mr. Johnson: are your new allies “fickle?”

Well, here is someone who was inspired by the “stalwart allies” that Charles drove away.

Mass killer Anders #Breivik has given a Nazi salute at a Norwegian court case about his human rights https://t.co/xrxm87Wksc

— Sky News (@SkyNews) January 10, 2017

re: #29 Anymouse

The blog had concentrated on political and national security issues rather than science. When evolution became a focus, I think Charles and the more rational posters were shocked and appalled at just what a mob of superstitious cranks and dupes we had been associated with. It was all part of the process of realizing that we had been on the wrong side in many ways. The big break with the right followed in pretty short order.

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

שער ברנדנבורג, לפני 80 שנה והערב: pic.twitter.com/k80cCm6LEs

— עמית סגל (@amit_segal) January 9, 2017

The Nazis are still out there; and the Norwegian mass murderer has lots of brethren who want the same things as he does. Race wars, genocidal conflicts, and those that oppose them are the enemies. We’ve got the same kind of extremists here in the US - and they’re Trump supporters. They’re also Trump advisers, including Rage Furby and Steve Bannon.

But yeah, those Clinton emails - that’s disqualifying.

Read the lead story in the SF Chronicle today that starts with “GOP moves to quash federal rules.”

That’s all of them, Katie, and tRump has signed off on it. Clean air, clean water, labels on food, safe workplaces, Poof! Gone with the sign of a pen.

Seriously, find the article and read it. You have no idea how fast these assholes plan to undue everything benefitting the people in the very near future.

So, has Sessions invoked the 5th Amendment yet as an answer during his confirmation hearing? That and “I do not recall” are two standards.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) January 10, 2017

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re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

I considered myself a skeptic on climate change, but the facts and evidence led me to believe that it’s ongoing and accelerating. That so many simply opposed the facts and evidence simply because Gore was involved in calling for action was eye-opening, particularly since this bunch claimed that “Fact checking” was so damned important.

Then there was the schism after Charles relaxed his attitude towards posting on abortion issues. That there were so many who’d force women to carry to term, regardless of the science or the harms to women was startling.

Throw in the creationist/ID drivel, and you could see how many of the Islamophobes who came in the wake of 9/11 were driven by fear and opposition to their very narrow worldviews, and that facts/evidence to the contrary were vigorously opposed.

That Charles could pivot away from all that is a testament to his spirit to see adherence to facts, science, and logic - rationality over belief trumping facts (and this is the fight we’re now seeing at the national level).

Well, I am past comment 1,560 in that thread now, and read everything from Hitler was inspired by Charles Darwin to derision of the United Methodist Church for initially supporting eugenics in the USA.

Wow, that thread is all over the map, and much of it is just plain delusion. The Jewish Inquisition isn’t coming for anyone, and neither the Pope. (That was in there also.) Scientific American has not been co-opted for the progressive secular atheist agenda.

There is a lot of crazy in that article, where Mr. Johnson simply tried to expose the problems with Mr. Stein’s movie. Mr. Johnson was not condemning Mr. Stein nor trying to censor him. Mr. Johnson merely questioned Mr. Stein’s conclusions in his movie, based on easily documented errors (which Mr. Johnson backed up).

It turned into a flamefest of proportions I have not read on the Internet before. Wow.

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

The blog had concentrated on political and national security issues rather than science. When evolution became a focus, I think Charles and the more rational posters were shocked and appalled at just what a mob of superstitious cranks and dupes we had been associated with. It was all part of the process of realizing that we had been on the wrong side in many ways. The big break with the right followed in pretty short order.

Before the Big Break occurred I was a prolific poster both here and at Free Republic. I had to choose whether I wanted to stay here or at the fever swamp. I chose to stay where the air is fresh and the water is clean.

Oh, you say it like it’s a bad thing.

Cory Booker isn’t even trying to be subtle in preparing for a 2020 presidential bid.

— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) January 10, 2017

Booker’s going to take Sessions behind the woodshed with Sessions’ nonsense about being a civil rights proponent. Sessions is nothing of the sort, and Booker speaking out against his nomination/confirmation is the minimum that Democrats need to do.

Same thing with all of Trump’s other nominees - nearly all are unqualified or extremists (Carson, Perry, Devos, Tillerson) or got the position because of pay to play (McMahon) or quid pro quo (Chao, who is probably the most qualified of the bunch).

Throw in the failure to get all their ethics reviews done and this is the GOP trying to overwhelm the system with baffling BS.

re: #50 darthstar

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I’m sure that liar will utter “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” plenty of times…

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Before the Big Break occurred I was a prolific poster both here and at Free Republic. I had to choose whether I wanted to stay here or at the fever swamp. I chose to stay where the air is fresh and the water is clean.

LOL, where the water is clean.

I have read Free Republic many times, but cannot fathom where some of the posters come up with their information or ideas.

I took my kids to this arcade all the time. It was a game museum and also a great fun place for kids.

Any kid who grew up in Farmington Hills went to Marvin’s Marvelous Mechanical Museum. Marvin, 78, died on Sunday https://t.co/lFEIE6xq5s

— Stephanie Steinberg (@Steph_Steinberg) January 10, 2017

re: #57 Anymouse

LOL, where the water is clean.

I have read Free Republic many times, but cannot fathom where some of the posters come up with their information or ideas.

I hear their drivel every day…sigh…

re: #28 lawhawk

It’s also telling that far too many GOPers and right wingers don’t get that the ACA is Obamacare. They seem to think that Obamacare is something entirely different.

I have zero sympathy for anyone that willfully gullible and ignorant.

Let them figure it out on their own, and take it out on the GOP once the deed is done. Because no amount of spin will change the fact that where these stupid sons of bitches once had some sort of insurance, the GOP will have taken it away.

It sucks that they’ll lose their insurance, but this is what they wanted. Let them have it.

re: #34 Joe Bacon

This is why I stopped reading the Lies Angeles Times.

The Times has turned into a tabloid, but unfortunately the SF Chronicle has picked up Doughy Pantolad’s column too.

Made a bet with the husband last night that Trump is so spectacularly inept and classless that he will go after John Lewis on Twitter after he testifies.

“Rep. Lewis most overrated civil rights leader in America. Not 1960s but 2017. Sad! #maga

Anyone want in on this bet?

Did Trump rage-Tweet anything early this morning? I guess not because then we would all be talking about his Tweet & not on the Sessions confirmation hearing.

Which kind of proves that Trump doesn’t Tweet with the intention to distract from something else, he Tweets when his delicate ego is threatened.

re: #60 makeitstop

I have zero sympathy for anyone that willfully gullible and ignorant.

Let them figure it out on their own, and take it out on the GOP once the deed is done. Because no amount of spin will change the fact that where these stupid sons of bitches once had some sort of insurance, the GOP will have taken it away.

It sucks that they’ll lose their insurance, but this is what they wanted. Let them have it.

Except they wont take it out on the GOP. They’ll probably blame Democrats for not being clear what was happening, what Obamacare was, etc. This is how the GOP operates; their spin is so pervasive that it deprives facts of sunlight.

re: #62 BlueGrl21

Made a bet with the husband last night that Trump is so spectacularly inept and classless that he will go after John Lewis on Twitter after he testifies.

“Rep. Lewis most overrated civil rights leader in America. Not 1960s but 2017. Sad! #maga

Anyone want in on this bet?

No odds. Because he’ll probably go after Booker and Lewis within hours of their testimony.

Clare Hollingworth, journalist who broke news that World War Two had started, dies aged 105 https://t.co/PR4BHeRWbT

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) January 10, 2017

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Before the Big Break occurred I was a prolific poster both here and at Free Republic. I had to choose whether I wanted to stay here or at the fever swamp. I chose to stay where the air is fresh and the water is clean.

I still have posting privileges at Free Republic. I kept an eye on the place and dropped a little sand in the gears when I could do so without being banned. I haven’t even visited there since the election though. We seem to have passed into a new phase of the struggle and even the most circumspect and cautious interaction seems useless.

re: #66 darthstar

You have to admit, as far as scoops go, she got a big one.

re: #59 Joe Bacon

I hear their drivel every day…sigh…

From your job, correct? I am amaze that people spew such crap to people like you in for just doing your job.

re: #64 lawhawk

Except they wont take it out on the GOP. They’ll probably blame Democrats for not being clear what was happening, what Obamacare was, etc. This is how the GOP operates; their spin is so pervasive that it deprives facts of sunlight.

The stock answer for any charge like that should be ‘You’ll have to take that up with Speaker Ryan, the man who took your insurance away.’

Trump names son-in-law Jared Kushner as senior adviser, testing nepotism law https://t.co/kqZ51GdIx8

— The Guardian (@guardian) January 10, 2017

None of this should come as a surprise. We’re entering a new era of corruption in America. Call it out. https://t.co/N2S4GAOxii

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) January 10, 2017

re: #71 darthstar

As was pointed out last night on Balloon Juice, Kushner not taking a salary violates another government law.

Well, I need to go to the general store, then hit the rack.

Wow, that thread was over 1,600 comments long, and segued into the next thread with 1,300 more that I will read later.

G’night y’all (for varying definitions of “night”)

Breitbart’s ‘alt’ Sessions take: ‘Jeff Sessions has spent five decades as a champion of civil rights’ https://t.co/mF6biPDzn5

— Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) January 10, 2017

5 decades of ignoring civil rights, undermining civil rights, and glomming on to cases prepared by others that he didn’t even count when he was up for a judgeship decades ago. But Breitbart thinks that he’s a civil rights champion.

Right - not the civil rights as we know them, but the white nationalism/supremacist version, where the angry white guy’s views are more important and valid than everyone else’s, especially minorities who have suffered from discrimination for generations.

re: #66 darthstar

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Iirc, Ms. Hollingsworth was at the German-Polish border when the shooting started. She escaped the onslaught, got to the nearest telephone and called in her report.

re: #66 darthstar

Clare Hollingworth was fucking badass https://t.co/zdftfyKwwG pic.twitter.com/ydjdwTf9Il

— Elena Cresci (@elenacresci) January 10, 2017

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

What damaging info does Putin have on Trump that is so horrific he has to be at the Kremlin’s beck and call?

He was in Moscow for a Miss Universe pageant and he could have been up to any number of shenanigans in his bugged hotel room, but what could he have done that he wouldn’t own and actually be proud of? Dead girl? Live boy? Small animals?

Or does Putin know exactly how much money he really has and how much he’s in over his head to the Russian mob?

Easy. But it’s so horrific I’ll put it in a spoiler tag as it’ll most likely create an image you won’t be able to unsee.

Me thinks someone gots their taken away……

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Easy. But it’s so horrific I’ll put it in a spoiler tag as it’ll most likely create an image you won’t be able to unsee.

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Back from the general store: smokes, cranberry juice, lotto ticket, good to go for the day.

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Easy. But it’s so horrific I’ll put it in a spoiler tag as it’ll most likely create an image you won’t be able to unsee.

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🎶 Busting pot smokers, hounding Planned Parenthood, arresting a guy who marched at Selma these are few of Jeff Sessions’ favorite things 🎶

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) January 10, 2017

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

It is most likely his tax returns or indication of his foreign entanglements or serious violations of trade embargoes (going back to Bush or before, nobody would care about him violating an Obama-era law)

Trump did not win by adhering to conventional Republican policies. He can offer an elegant solution to the repeal and replace of Obamacare: Single Payer!! Medicare for All!!

Think of it as a Nixon goes to China moment.

And when I say he can offer it, I really mean Ivanka and Jared.

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

re: #84 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump did not win by adhering to conventional Republican policies. He can offer an elegant solution to the repeal and replace of Obamacare: Single Payer!! Medicare for All!!

Think of it as a Nixon goes to China moment.

And when I say he can offer it, I really mean Ivanka and Jared.

He certainly has some surprises up his sleeve…I have trouble imagining that they would be good ones, though…

Here come the protesters. A bunch have been booted from Sessions’ hearing so far - including those dressed up in KKK garb to skewer Sessions’ views on race and civil rights.

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re: #87 lawhawk

Here come the protesters. A bunch have been booted from Sessions’ hearing so far - including those dressed up in KKK garb to skewer Sessions’ views on race and civil rights.

dcist.com

Good. If the Republicans are going to ram him through, every bit of photo ops for the press detailing his true position should be displayed.

Wow, going through that next thread in the old posts here, on Hezbollah seizing Beirut at the time.

Wow, there were sure a lot of warmongers here that were willing to send our military off to die over something that didn’t really concern us.

They were also throwing President Reagan under the bus for pulling our troops out of Beirut at the time.

I had the pleasure of going to Beirut for that particular mission. The conservatives here at the time really didn’t understand what warfare is about.

And they were all for gun control too, as long as the control was applied to “the right people.”

This place was quite a bit different before I got here.

Now I really have to go to sleep. I am glad I do not dream (or remember dreams), those threads were nightmares in print.

In 1986, Jeff Sessions acknowledged that he called NAACP “un-American.” Today he denies it. Will anyone call him out on the lie?

— Tom Sugrue (@TomSugrue) January 10, 2017

Here are some memes that I will be posting to Twitter from now until MLK Day

If Margaret Sanger was “racist” why did Coretta & MLK accept Sanger award? #tcot #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/WWw3jcxoGE https://t.co/26jpo5Tbbm

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

MLK on the “Right to Work” Workers beware! RTW is taking your rights away from you! #UniteBlue #tcot #MLKday2017 #TheResistance pic.twitter.com/CQGVB2CrY0

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

MLK would never support the Republicans #UniteBlue #tcot #TheResistance #MLKday2017 https://t.co/QzAsH07N8B pic.twitter.com/6kdmICdUad

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

BREAKING Sen. #JeffSessions says he’d recuse himself from investigations of Hillary #Clinton if confirmed as attorney general. pic.twitter.com/rUENxE7LNL

— Fox5NY (@fox5ny) January 10, 2017

Well okay then. Never mind that all the investigating to date has found precisely nothing tying her to anything approaching criminal wrongdoing.

It’s a frickin’ witch hunt, but one approved by Trump and his supporters. He promised prosecutions of his political opponents, and Sessions would have to oblige - so he’ll recuse himself so someone else can do the political dirty work.

Oh boy, Orrin Hatch is up.

re: #91 lawhawk

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Well okay then. Never mind that all the investigating to date has found precisely nothing tying her to anything approaching criminal wrongdoing.

It’s a frickin’ witch hunt, but one approved by Trump and his supporters. He promised prosecutions of his political opponents, and Sessions would have to oblige - so he’ll recuse himself so someone else can do the political dirty work.

Other than a skit from a Dog and Pony Show, what value is there in saying he would recuse himself? What conflict would there be for him to need to recuse himself?

Inside Trump’s first intelligence briefing https://t.co/OtD8KqgwZV pic.twitter.com/OyMb7WCrpK

— The Nib (@thenib) January 10, 2017

re: #91 lawhawk

I would like to see Sessions being forced by that Trump person to do what he said he would do. There is no reason for Sessions to recuse himself.

Sessions makes Ashcroft look like Teddy Kennedy. Well not really but I thought Ashcroft was as wingnutty as an AG could be. Of course, the only reason why Sessions is getting this job is because Trump loves to reward loyalty.

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

And there’s no reason for him to keep to his word on recusing himself other than his own personal hon…

BWAHAHAHA

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Sessions makes Ashcroft look like Teddy Kennedy. Well not really but I thought Ashcroft was as wingnutty as an AG could be. Of course, the only reason why Sessions is getting this job is because Trump loves to reward loyalty.

And the whole group is a Klan: A collection of white supremacists.

re: #98 Belafon

And the whole group is a Klan: A collection of white supremacists.

So many awful, awful individuals.

Priorities:

Hatch wants Sessions to dedicate a specific unit to prosecute “adult obscenity cases.” Sessions said he’d consider it.

— Mazel Tov Cocktail (@AdamSerwer) January 10, 2017

Reviving a unit dedicated to policing obscenity is not a good sign that respect for freedom of speech is high on the agenda. https://t.co/J4uyCUQIcU

— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh) January 10, 2017

Forget civil rights and voting rights protection, the real threat is obscenity violations? Yeah, the GOP is so small government that they want to get all up in the lady bits and in to your bedrooms and your media (online, paper, otherwise) because the real threat is someone viewing porn, not that your voting rights are being taken away by the GOP or that your civil rights are being eroded by the GOP to keep a bunch of angry white guys with their thumbs on the scales of justice (and the scales generally).

re: #100 lawhawk

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DON’T YOU GET IT? SOMEONE SOMEWHERE MIGHT BE FAPPING, EVEN AS WE SPEAK!!!

DEVELOPING: Hostage situation underway at credit union in Tuscaloosa, AL; not yet clear how many hostages are inside https://t.co/bZFwNiHfbn pic.twitter.com/XCorLKhpGG

— ABC News (@ABC) January 10, 2017

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

What damaging info does Putin have on Trump that is so horrific he has to be at the Kremlin’s beck and call?

He was in Moscow for a Miss Universe pageant and he could have been up to any number of shenanigans in his bugged hotel room, but what could he have done that he wouldn’t own and actually be proud of? Dead girl? Live boy? Small animals?

Or does Putin know exactly how much money he really has and how much he’s in over his head to the Russian mob?

Yes to all!

You mention bugging. A friend and I were talking about Trump kicking out all the ambassadors before new ones are assigned to the embassies and how that would allow some time for both Trump and Putin to wire them all up for some real good spying.

Once Trump is out of office, the US may need to tear them all down and start over. I wouldn’t trust them after Trump.

re: #100 lawhawk

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Forget civil rights and voting rights protection, the real threat is obscenity violations? Yeah, the GOP is so small government that they want to get all up in the lady bits and in to your bedrooms and your media (online, paper, otherwise) because the real threat is someone viewing porn, not that your voting rights are being taken away by the GOP or that your civil rights are being eroded by the GOP to keep a bunch of angry white guys with their thumbs on the scales of justice (and the scales generally).

I’ll remember this the next someone says they voted for Trump and the GOP because they’re tired of the “Nanny state” and “PC run amok.” Adult obscenity? Really? What the fuck is this the 1950’s?

re: #103 ObserverArt

But removing the ambassadors won’t shut the embassies down, right? They’ll still have the staff doing the…whatever the staff does, and they’ll still have the USMC standing guard out front. I hope.

re: #105 I cannot.

But removing the ambassadors won’t shut the embassies down, right? They’ll still have the staff doing the…whatever the staff does, and they’ll still have the USMC standing guard out front. I hope.

Yeah business goes on as usual at the embassies without an ambassador.

re: #105 I cannot.

Yes, those locations will remain and basic services will continue as before. The problem is that the high level dialog between the foreign country and the US will be disrupted because there wont be anyone handling that - it’ll fall on lower level functionaries until the ambassadors are confirmed.

This might not be a problem ordinarily, but given the widespread upheaval Trump’s unleashing on the State Department and his pronouncements on Twitter that are upsetting/disruptive to foreign relations - the need to have ambassadors in place to deal with the fallout is critical. Trump doesn’t seem to care about any of that.

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Funny to see something like that rearing its ugly head here.

Climate Change debates seem to have died out here, too.

We’re all Charles’ yes men now! /

Is there a ready link to said creationism thread? Or can I find it in the previous thread?

re: #108 ObserverArt

littlegreenfootballs.com

Don’t go there. It was…not like anything you’ve seen on LGF in a LONG time, and for good reason, it looks like over 90% have flounced or been hit by the Mallet of Loving Correction. JFC, the whole thing is a trainwreck.

Sessions: “I never said @NAACP was un-American.” Here’s what black prosecutor testified about him in 1986 pic.twitter.com/bt01116ZOJ

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) January 10, 2017

Sessions just said that he only knows what the media has reported abt the Russian hacks and nothing more. Boy, BYE…

— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) January 10, 2017

I’m sorry, our intelligence agencies found Putin influenced our election & Sessions doesn’t give enough fucks to learn more about it? https://t.co/LgeQ9VJUay

— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) January 10, 2017

re: #109 I cannot.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Don’t go there. It was…not like anything you’ve seen on LGF in a LONG time, and for good reason, it looks like over 90% have flounced or been hit by the Mallet of Loving Correction. JFC, the whole thing is a trainwreck.

I read this site for a couple years before joining. I was interested just to see the names.

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Didn’t he admit to doing it in the 80’s when Reagan nominated him for a judgeship? Cannot believe this guy is very likely to be our next AG.

“No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA!” — more protesters shouting, and then dragged out. Sessions as they get going: pic.twitter.com/I6y7YiD9Gt

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) January 10, 2017

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Didn’t he admit to doing it in the 80’s when Reagan nominated him for a judgeship? Cannot believe this guy is very likely to be our next AG.

Trump violated every rule of politics and still got elected. Seems that his nominees should be afforded the same “courtesies”…

Here’s Lindsey Graham joking about the concerns of 1,424 law professors from across the US that Jeff Sessions won’t protect civil rights pic.twitter.com/38BHw1jnRc

— David Mack (@davidmackau) January 10, 2017

Here’s Lindsey Graham joking about the concerns of 1,424 law professors from across the US that Jeff Sessions won’t protect civil rights

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that is exactly what is going to happen.

I’d love to send a firm message to Trump and Sessions by every Senate Democrat voting against this guy. Unfortunately I bet someone like Manchin will ruin that.

re: #112 ObserverArt

I read this site for a couple years before joining. I was interested just to see the names.

Some accounts that are [deleted] were so toxic that their entire comment history was purged when they got the banstick.

JFC

‘Make smallpox great again!’: Internet gasps in horror as Trump sets up meeting with top anti-vaxxer https://t.co/yl1PXX8xJ2 pic.twitter.com/HIdzfVSUYw

— Raw Story (@RawStory) January 10, 2017

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

Some accounts that are [deleted] were so toxic that their entire comment history was purged when they got the banstick.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that before when other older threads are linked. This place was nooo-cue-lur back in the Bush era.

When George Wallace died in 1998, Sessions praised him. Not for repenting, but for “challenging the liberal elite.” https://t.co/kdSKaK8aEn

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) January 10, 2017

It also hurts Sessions’ feelings when people suggest he’s a racist. https://t.co/FvteVkrJJO

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 10, 2017

Dispatcher: Fire and explosion at NKY candy factory: https://t.co/PidYplvK0k

— Enquirer (@Enquirer) January 10, 2017

one of the company’s products is Mentos…not kidding.

Some choice derp from the Ancient Threads

Its Belichick’s fault, the Patriots are cheaters, and that is what evolution is all about. This is how we will beat the Islamofascist’s; but will the west listen? NO-it was the tuck rule…..we will beat the crap out of each other over minor shit but when it comes to the real world we will insist on some Intelligent Design…It certainly is not visible around our USA right now.

I have no idea what any of that means, other than the Patriots and Bellichick are cheaters…

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

Some accounts that are [deleted] were so toxic that their entire comment history was purged when they got the banstick.

Funny enough, I used to hate this site in the 2000’s. I felt it was a bastion of anti-Muslim bigotry back then and really hated the site. It was only until Obama’s election win and Charles’ public parting with the right that made me warm up to the site and eventually join back in 2010. But I didn’t post for a couple of years as I was more of a lurker.

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Funny to see something like that rearing its ugly head here.

Climate Change debates seem to have died out here, too.

With good reason too. Something like that should not even need a debate to begin with.

A Sessions quote to rile up the popular vote fans: “The American people spoke clearly in this election and agreed with my view.”

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 10, 2017

re: #125 electrotek

I came when Charles was separating from the RWNJ. It is a haven for me since then.

We’ll now be treated to the spectacle of two southern good old boys pontificating on one another’s congeniality. #SessionsHearing

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) January 10, 2017

Because for the panel of rather elderly white gentlemen assembled today, the point is not “civil rights” (that old canard)… it’s civility. https://t.co/iOH20Guceq

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) January 10, 2017

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah he sure challenged those black liberal elites by telling them they couldn’t go to integrated schools!

Sessions hearing has spent way more time discussing how much it sucks to be accused of racism than it has actual racism

— Mazel Tov Cocktail (@AdamSerwer) January 10, 2017

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

And that is exactly what is going to happen.

and when the dust settles, a New Normality will dawn and America will never be the same

re: #57 Anymouse

LOL, where the water is clean.

I have read Free Republic many times, but cannot fathom where some of the posters come up with their information or ideas.

It comes from a place you don’t want to go…or see ‘mouse.

re: #125 electrotek

Funny enough, I used to hate this site in the 2000’s. I felt it was a bastion of anti-Muslim bigotry back then and really hated the site. It was only until Obama’s election win and Charles’ public parting with the right that made me warm up to the site and eventually join back in 2010. But I didn’t post for a couple of years as I was more of a lurker.

I had heard of LGF in the Bush years too. Never checked it out or would I have ever joined but I was told that Charles had been one of the few right leaning bloggers to really challenge the right’s embrace of Eurofascism. Yes, they were doing it even in the early Obama years/late Bush years. so I joined. We still had a lot of LGF conservatives in those days, not just DF but other people as well like Brooky, Albusteve, Mandy, and some others.

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

one of the company’s products is Mentos…not kidding.

Did someone sneak in some Diet Coke?

re: #125 electrotek

Funny enough, I used to hate this site in the 2000’s. I felt it was a bastion of anti-Muslim bigotry back then and really hated the site. It was only until Obama’s election win and Charles’ public parting with the right that made me warm up to the site and eventually join back in 2010. But I didn’t post for a couple of years as I was more of a lurker.

Yes, I came here looking for a good argument, and generally found that although conservative, the site was soundly pro-science and generally civil in tone. The ensuing change of orientation was one I found most pleasing.

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Yeah he sure challenged those black liberal elites by telling them they couldn’t go to integrated schools!

I hope one of the Senators does bring up Sessions record on people with disabilities as well. Not that his record with African-Americans is not important, it sure as hell is but that needs to be brought up too.

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

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From @KellyO: Sessions is only witness for himself today. Tomorrow we’ll hear opposing testimony from Sen Cory Booker and Rep John Lewis

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) January 10, 2017

It’s like Trump, Putin, et al, are playing how the last dance of the ubermench.

Or maybe I haven’t had enough coffee.

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and when the dust settles, a New Normality will dawn and America will never be the same

Which was the intent of the Trump supporters I have talked to.

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I came here looking for a good argument, and generally found that although conservative, the site was soundly pro-science and generally civil in tone. The ensuing change of orientation was one I found most pleasing.

Back in the Bush years, my idea of a good and rational conservative was someone who was opposed to the Iraq war. The problem is that was a poor criteria on a “good and rational” conservative as it was usually someone like Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan opposing it.

The ‘paleoconservatives’, heh.

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sessions hearing has spent way more time discussing how much it sucks to be accused of racism than it has actual racism

I was having a discussion with a gay Republican college friend (and Milo Y fanboy) and he insisted that since he came out, he has been subject to more hostility for being Republican than for being gay.

I reminded him about how they used to drag Republicans behind trucks and tie them to fence posts to die

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Too bad, I have to work tomorrow. I want to hear Booker’s testimony since I look at him as presidential material and I want to hear him since he’s worked with Sessions as a colleague. Ditto Lewis and Lewis’s background as a Civil Rights hero.

re: #142 Belafon

So they wanted a 3rd world hellscape?

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

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Who are these black voters who Sessions claim begged him to prosecute three black voting rights activists in Ala.?

— Joan Walsh (@joanwalsh) January 10, 2017

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

And we’re just going to have to keep fighting, and encouraging everyone else to do so as well. And vote.

re: #141 Birth Control Works

It’s like Trump, Putin, et al, are playing how the last dance of the ubermench.

Or maybe I haven’t had enough coffee.

This needs to be said over and overy again. There seems to be a (white) method to this madness.

Sessions just said discrimination “existed,” ed, past tense. You guys are not paying close enough attention to this language. Ticking me off

— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) January 10, 2017

re: #143 electrotek

Back in the Bush years, my idea of a good and rational conservative was someone who was opposed to the Iraq war. The problem is that was a poor criteria on a “good and rational” conservative as it was usually someone like Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan opposing it.

The ‘paleoconservatives’, heh.

My nephew is a conservative, but not a doctrinaire bigoted bonehead, and someone you can have a measured discussion with and leave agreeing to disagree and not shouting and throwing things.

re: #143 electrotek

Back in the Bush years, my idea of a good and rational conservative was someone who was opposed to the Iraq war. The problem is that was a poor criteria on a “good and rational” conservative as it was usually someone like Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan opposing it.

The ‘paleoconservatives’, heh.

I actually hate the paleocons more than the neocons truth be told. I find the Neo-cons war first attitude awful but I think many of them aren’t bigoted people. Paleos like Ronny Paul and Paddy Buchanan OTOH…………..

re: #146 baileylamb

So they wanted a 3rd world hellscape?

The ones I get to talk to don’t think they’re actually going to be affected by anything. When they found out who Trump has chosen for his cabinet, their attitude is that nothing’s really going to change. They are disappointed nothing is going to get better, but they don’t think things will get worse.

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I actually hate the paleocons more than the neocons truth be told. I find the Neo-cons war first attitude awful but I think many of them aren’t bigoted people. Paleos like Ronny Paul and Paddy Buchanan OTOH…………..

There was a good piece in The Atlantic documenting the difference between ‘civilizational conservatives’ and ‘ideological conservatives’.

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Aren’t paleocons just the old “alt-right”..?

The Cory Booker burn pic.twitter.com/REfHNFGbgH

— (((Vic Stoddard))) (@VicStoddard) January 10, 2017

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was having a discussion with a gay Republican college friend (and Milo Y fanboy) and he insisted that since he came out, he has been subject to more hostility for being Republican than for being gay.

I reminded him about how they used to drag Republicans behind trucks and tie them to fence posts to die

He sounds awfully privileged if he’s only gotten shit for being a Republican. Republicans act like it’s so hard to be a conservative in some places and I don’t doubt that it might be but it’s likewise tough to be a liberal in many ways. But it’s nothing compared to being gay or trans and worrying about your safety. Your friend may at worst get cursed at for being a Republican. Gay people as you get at have to worry about things like that.

re: #155 electrotek

There was a good piece in The Atlantic documenting the difference between ‘civilizational conservatives’ and ‘ideological conservatives’.

Mind linking? I like reading about the differences within ideologies. When I was in college, I enjoyed studying the difference between differing types of fascists and communists as well. I’ve also been fascinating seeing the different types of liberalism that have emerged in recent years.

re: #154 Belafon

The ones I get to talk to don’t think they’re actually going to be affected by anything. When they found out who Trump has chosen for his cabinet, their attitude is that nothing’s really going to change. They are disappointed nothing is going to get better, but they don’t think things will get worse.

I’ve run into some of this too. But tinged with some excitement that there will be fewer rules and regulations and so we’ll see a new energy in business (how this will translate into higher wages—the real problem, IMO—is never addressed).

re: #154 Belafon

I find this perspective in a lot of ppl who don’t seem to have a good grasp of history. Sometimes things fall apart.

I blame our history text books for presenting history as a march that involves the betterment of society and ppl.

Ideologies like communism and books like “The End of History” make pplthink that things always get better.

That’s not true sometimes rings can get worse, much worse, and then everyone dies.

re: #156 baileylamb

Aren’t paleocons just the old “alt-right”..?

From what I gather, they have a lot of similarities but I think the alt-right is less religious minded. Paleo-cons include a lot of religious types in their mix. I’d say the Paleo-cons are the types that opposed the New Deal and thought FDR was provoking war with Germany and Japan. They also saw communists everywhere. Think the Birchers.

For many, #Obamacare has already failed. House Republicans are committed to offering a #BetterWay: https://t.co/xUdyNrGYVi

— Paul Ryan (@SpeakerRyan) January 10, 2017

Your bogus #BetterWay consists of tax breaks for the 1%, HSAs (which most can’t afford) & junk policies #UniteBlue #ACA #TheResistance https://t.co/Z9p8LOSLqX

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

Back in the day, on LGF, we had a long & repeated discussion on the definition of fascism. George Orwell’s essay was mentioned several times.

Now, I see the word being used again.

If I can remember:

Fascism as a
social system is - conservative (women in the home)
political system - totalitarian
economic system - third way (mixed economy)
I seem to remember strong gun control as well.
I can’t remember the other systems.

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

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I happen to like not being denied coverage because of my pre-existing condition, Paulie.

re: #158 HappyWarrior

He sounds awfully privileged if he’s only gotten shit for being a Republican. Republicans act like it’s so hard to be a conservative in some places and I don’t doubt that it might be but it’s likewise tough to be a liberal in many ways. But it’s nothing compared to being gay or trans and worrying about your safety. Your friend may at worst get cursed at for being a Republican. Gay people as you get at have to worry about things like that.

He is a Milo fanboy and really enjoys being contrary and getting a rise out of people. He was like that when we used to hang out (30 odd years ago) and has not really changed much since other than coming out.

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

It’s the #GOPDontCare plan. Don’t care how many medical bankruptcies or hospitals closed. Rich must get their tax cuts. @mattyglesias

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 10, 2017

re: #161 baileylamb

And that’s what concerns me most about Putin’s game. My concern is that the engine of innovation can stop in America and that at the he same time a bad flu could come up. Spread like wildfire and take all of civilization with it. Not just in America but moat of the world.

A big influential country that becomes anti intellectual but still retains the flow of people coming in and out. .. Yea that’s a bad combination.

re: #167 lawhawk

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and the Vatican get’s control of health care in this country —

Some cos., anxious about ACA repeal, are afraid to speak out because they feared Trump would attack them on Twitter. https://t.co/AVVEJSjKKS

— Jonathan Weisman (@jonathanweisman) January 10, 2017

re: #168 baileylamb

And that’s what concerns me most about Putin’s game. My concern is that the engine of innovation can stop in America and that at the he same time a bad flu could come up. Spread like wildfire and take all of civilization with it. Not just in America but moat of the world.

A big influential country that becomes anti intellectual but still retains the flow of people coming in and out. .. Yea that’s a bad combination.

the religious oppression —meaning religion repressing the people — i.e. Pussy Riot.

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I’ve read a lot of paleocons, they always just came off as racist to me. Racist who are given deference by mainstream society.

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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afraid of the bully are they?

re: #164 Birth Control Works

Back in the day, on LGF, we had a long & repeated discussion on the definition of fascism. George Orwell’s essay was mentioned several times.

Now, I see the word being used again.

If I can remember:

Fascism as a
social system is - conservative (women in the home)
political system - totalitarian
economic system - third way (mixed economy)

I can’t remember the other systems.

Yes, economically it’s definitely third way. It’s that leads a lot of conservatives to assume it’s a left wing ideology. But what they don’t understand is opposition to capitalism was never exclusively from the left. You nail the political and social system as well. Fascism does differ from traditional conservatism but traditional European conservatism anyhow was very pro monarchy.

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Sessions on protecting women & LGBTQ: “I am not sure women or people with different sexual orientations face that kind of discrimination.”

— Senate Judiciary Dem (@JudiciaryDems) January 10, 2017

Sen. Whitehouse asks Sessions if he is willing to investigate Russian hacking, even if it leads to Trump’s inner circle.

— Pema Levy (@pemalevy) January 10, 2017

Nyet Tovarisch.

re: #171 Birth Control Works

the religious oppression —meaning religion repressing the people — i.e. Pussy Riot.

He has formed an unholy alliance with the Orthodox Church, which has resumed its pre-revolutionary role of supporting Russian autocracy.

re: #172 baileylamb

I’ve read a lot of paleocons, they always just came off as racist to me. Racist who are given deference by mainstream society.

Yeah, racism is a big part of their game too. These types were very much opposed to the Civil Rights Movement in the 60’s and beyond.

re: #172 baileylamb

I’ve read a lot of paleocons, they always just came off as racist to me. Racist who are given deference by mainstream society.

paleocons are xenophobic. Skin color, per se, doesn’t matter as long as the individual is xtian, dresses like the paleocon, listens to the same music, dances the same way etc.

Condi Rice is awesome to them (and me, BTW), but Beyonce is not.

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Oh really, Jeff. Fuck off.

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Yeah, racism is a big part of their game too. These types were very much opposed to the Civil Rights Movement in the 60’s and beyond.

they insist that it is scientifically founded racial realism.

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Yes, economically it’s definitely third way. It’s that leads a lot of conservatives to assume it’s a left wing ideology. But what they don’t understand is opposition to capitalism was never exclusively from the left. You nail the political and social system as well. Fascism does differ from traditional conservatism but traditional European conservatism anyhow was very pro monarchy.

Economically speaking, we have been fascist since FDR.

Remember also, fascists prefer the woman in the home, it’s the communists who actually acknowledge womens’ humanity.

re: #179 Birth Control Works

paleocons are xenophobic. Skin color, per se, doesn’t matter as long as the individual is xtian, dresses like the paleocon, listens to the same music, dances the same way etc.

Condi Rice is awesome to them (and me, BTW), but Beyonce is not.

No, they don’t think much of Rice. Granted, that’s mostly because of her Bush admin ties- paleocons don’t like the Bush admin. If Rice sounded more like Michele Malkin in how she talks about “others” though.

re: #172 baileylamb

I’ve read a lot of paleocons, they always just came off as racist to me. Racist who are given deference by mainstream society.

Racism is their primary underlying motivation even though they may attempt to deny it.

re: #179 Birth Control Works

paleocons are xenophobic. Skin color, per se, doesn’t matter as long as the individual is xtian, dresses like the paleocon, listens to the same music, dances the same way etc.

Condi Rice is awesome to them (and me, BTW), but Beyonce is not.

That’s not how Pat Buchanan comes off. I’m sorry thes ppl lie, I’m pretty sure they are really good at dressing up their repugnant idealogy and what it leads to.

re: #182 Birth Control Works

Economically speaking, we have been fascist since FDR.

Remember also, fascists prefer the woman in the home, it’s the communists who actually acknowledge womens’ humanity.

Hitler was opposed to using women as workers in the German defense industry until driven to do so by necessity.

re: #182 Birth Control Works

Economically speaking, we have been fascist since FDR.

Remember also, fascists prefer the woman in the home, it’s the communists who actually acknowledge womens’ humanity.

The communists honestly have a mixed record on women. In the pre-Stalin USSR, you had individuals like Alexandra Kollontai who championed birth control but by the Stalin years, birth control was banned. Stalin may have been an atheist but he was very conservative about women’s roles. The same thing happened in Romania.

re: #182 Birth Control Works

Economically speaking, we have been fascist since FDR.

Remember also, fascists prefer the woman in the home, it’s the communists who actually acknowledge womens’ humanity.

I disagree. That we’very had economic fascism since the 1950s. I think that misses the whole pull and clash of various administrations. America isn’t a monolith… not yet.

re: #185 baileylamb

That’s not how Pat Buchanan comes off. I’m sorry thes ppl lie, I’m pretty sure they are really good at dressing up their repugnant idealogy and what it leads to.

Buchanan is a huge racist though he did have an African-American running mate in 2000. But that said, Foster had her own racism against people. It’s just like Allen West and Sheriff Clarke, yes they’re African Americans but they have their own bigotries.

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they insist that it is scientifically founded racial realism.

I think that’s more the alt-right than paleocons. Paleocons I think accept racial supremacy “because that’s how things have always been.” The alt-right scumbags otoh use pseudo-science to justify their bullshit.

Believe it or not, I actually knew I couldn’t afford lupus when I was diagnosed. They sent me home with it anyway. CRAZY. pic.twitter.com/ZKMF7AvILf

— Sarah (From Here) (@sarahwhelmed) January 9, 2017

Jan 20, Jill and I will head home to Delaware the same way I have for 44 years: by train. Serving this country has been our greatest honor. pic.twitter.com/D0g2rEvE9R

— Vice President Biden (@VP) January 10, 2017

Unrelated….

Finally got around to watching Spotlight yesterday. Such a great movie, well executed. That was the role that Mark Ruffalo was born to play. Keaton and McAdams were fantastic too.

Subject matter was tough but it was handled well, nothing gratuitous. I tried to avoid it until I got a recommendation, glad I watched.

My favorite part was when Keaton and McAdams are walking away from their meeting at BC High to walk back to the Boston Globe offices and it’s realistically accurate. The two institutions literally face each other. As a local, I appreciated it. A few scenes were shot on my street and I see my block a few times.

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I had the morning NBC local news on and then The Today show was right after it. I’m giving up on The Today show slowly, but before I got the channel changed they did a report from the Detroit Auto Show.

The person doing the report from Detroit said the big buzz around the room was Trump taking credit for a lot of the recent auto biz announcements but that all of them were before he took office. They stressed a point I always make…those changes in product lines, new factories, etc. take years to make.

But the sad fact, the reporter also said the auto execs are afraid to say much to or about Trump for fear of his bullying repercussions.

So, Trump wins by being a jackass and shouting everyone down and then tweeting and turning his monkeys on to continue the shouting.

That is how he is going to govern this country…by his big orange clueless overbearing mouth. Oh joy!

re: #191 lawhawk

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There’s something really wrong with you if you’re likening illness to furniture shopping. Goes to show you that Harvard Law can provide you a lot of things but common sense and a heart aren’t one of them. Then again, we’re talking about a dipshit punk who deludes himself that Trump is a leftist to distance Trump’s connection to his own twisted belief system.

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ohhh…judging by willful ignorance.

That is always a good thing from the nations top lawyer. Groan…

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Happy Retirement, Bidens. Thank you for your service to our country. Joe will go down in history as a truly great American statesman. One of the best that will have never been President.

re: #193 Franklin

Unrelated….

Finally got around to watching Spotlight yesterday. Such a great movie, well executed. That was the role that Mark Ruffalo was born to play. Keaton and McAdams were fantastic too.

Subject matter was tough but it was handled well, nothing gratuitous. I tried to avoid it until I got a recommendation, glad I watched.

My favorite part was when Keaton and McAdams are walking away from their meeting at BC High to walk back to the Boston Globe offices and it’s realistically accurate. The two institutions literally face each other. As a local, I appreciated it. A few scenes were shot on my street and I see my block a few times.

I watched it with my parents, both who were raised Catholic and I was raised much less Catholic than they were.

re: #179 Birth Control Works

paleocons are xenophobic. Skin color, per se, doesn’t matter as long as the individual is xtian, dresses like the paleocon, listens to the same music, dances the same way etc.

Condi Rice is awesome to them (and me, BTW), but Beyonce is not.

Conservatives like to have some trophy tokens to wave around as a shield against being called out for racism. Condi was a trophy, now they have Ben Carson and Omarosa.

#BREAKING: Explosion rocks #Kandahar Governor’s guesthouse while he was hosting #UAE diplomats https://t.co/wXZlAMZ4MG pic.twitter.com/zAb5bpOdCp

— Al Arabiya English (@AlArabiya_Eng) January 10, 2017

Sen. Whitehouse: “Did you ever chant ‘lock her up’”?

Sessions: “I did not…I don’t think.”

Sure.#StopSessions

— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) January 10, 2017

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Conservatives like to have some trophy tokens to wave around as a shield against being called out for racism. Condi was a trophy, now they have Ben Carson and Omarosa.

Don’t forget Herman Cain. I still remember Buck calling me a racist since I called him a pizza guy. Yeah how dare I point out that someone running for President had never served in government before and had only been a pizza joint exec.

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OFFS.

Procedural Q: Are confirmation hearings just for show or do Dems have any power to stop these unvetted, unqualified nominees?

— JackiSchechner (@JackiSchechner) January 10, 2017

Dems who just started following politics are about to learn why down-ballot races and midterms matter as much as presidential contests. https://t.co/nCLQDuJyp2

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 10, 2017

yep

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully the selfish “There’s no difference between the two parties” watch this. There’s no way in hell that Hillary would have nominated someone even close to Sessions to be her AG.

I’m getting Edwin Meese vibes…but worse.

“I didn’t research the law in depth but I…” <—- AG nominee

— Sarah Reese Jones (@PoliticusSarah) January 10, 2017

re: #193 Franklin

Unrelated….

Finally got around to watching Spotlight yesterday. Such a great movie, well executed. That was the role that Mark Ruffalo was born to play. Keaton and McAdams were fantastic too.

Subject matter was tough but it was handled well, nothing gratuitous. I tried to avoid it until I got a recommendation, glad I watched.

My favorite part was when Keaton and McAdams are walking away from their meeting at BC High to walk back to the Boston Globe offices and it’s realistically accurate. The two institutions literally face each other. As a local, I appreciated it. A few scenes were shot on my street and I see my block a few times.

Yeah, damn good film; it richly deserved its Oscar.

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

As much as it’s going to hurt, if people learn this lesson, we will win the war.

Why Ford says Donald Trump may be good for the auto industryhttps://t.co/QO0A8Dtfyr

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 10, 2017

Asked if he ever chanted “Lock Her Up!”, Sessions responded: “No… … I don’t think so.”
…He just remembered he’s under oath.

— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) January 10, 2017

Sessions says the “Lock her up” chants were “sometimes, I think, humorously done”

— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) January 10, 2017

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Sessions makes Ashcroft look like Teddy Kennedy. Well not really but I thought Ashcroft was as wingnutty as an AG could be. Of course, the only reason why Sessions is getting this job is because Trump loves to reward loyalty.

Ashcroft may have been odious but I don’t recall him being anti-Black or otherwise bigoted against any group of people. He was just a Rightwing Christian who covered up naked statues (and sang in a quartet). Sessions is dangerous to civil rights, immigration reform, prison reform, etc. He should not be confirmed.

re: #209 Belafon

As much as it’s going to hurt, if people learn this lesson, we will win the war.

It just sucks that we lost a big opportunity to control the court for the next decades. I’ll never forgive the GOP for the shit they pulled with Garland. The election year excuse was such bullshit.

re: #187 HappyWarrior

The communists honestly have a mixed record on women. In the pre-Stalin USSR, you had individuals like Alexandra Kollontai who championed birth control but by the Stalin years, birth control was banned. Stalin may have been an atheist but he was very conservative about women’s roles. The same thing happened in Romania.

Yes, but women were educated and worked in the sciences and some upper roles in government (IIRC).

There is a passage in Margaret Sanger’s autobiography described a meeting she had with a European man ( I can’t remember the country or the man’s profession). He stated that “they” would NEVER allow woman to control reproduction (meaning population control would never be in the hands of women).

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, talking about locking up your opponent is so funny. Maybe Hillary should have talked about throwing Trump in a cell too and we’d all have a giant big laugh!

BREAKING: @HarperCollins tells me Monic Crowley’s book is being taken down until revisions can be made. Story coming… pic.twitter.com/YAdmt5ZDEj

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) January 10, 2017

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Vice President Biden ✔ @VP
Jan 20, Jill and I will head home to Delaware the same way I have for 44 years: by train. Serving this country has been our greatest honor.
11:11 AM - 10 Jan 2017
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Sniff. I’m really going to miss Joe…and Barack.

No wait…America is really going to miss Joe and Barack. And it won’t be too many months from now how much they will realize it.

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

Ashcroft may have been odious but I don’t recall him being anti-Black or otherwise bigoted against any group of people. He was just a Rightwing Christian who covered up naked statues (and sang in a quartet). Sessions is dangerous to civil rights, immigration reform, prison reform, etc. He should not be confirmed.

Ashcroft had written for that Southern Partisan magazine I believe that had some controversy but you’re correct, he was more a religious zealot than he was racist like Sessions. Sessions has both.

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Happy Retirement, Bidens. Thank you for your service to our country. Joe will go down in history as a truly great American statesman. One of the best that will have never been President.

THANK Biden for VAWA!

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because it’s hilarious to “joke” about locking up your political opponent. Hardy har har.

re: #214 Birth Control Works

Yes, but women were educated and worked in the sciences and some upper roles in government (IIRC).

There is a passage in Margaret Sanger’s autobiography described a meeting she had with a European man ( I can’t remember the country or the man’s profession). He stated that “they” would NEVER allow woman to control reproduction (meaning population control would never be in the hands of women).

As I said, it depends on the country and era. The Stalin era USSR definitely was not pro woman by any stretch. No worse than the West during that time mind you. Read also about women in Romania. I think with Communism that it really depends on the individual in charge and maybe to some extent the culture of the place.

I was looking forward to coming in to the shop with working plumbing for the first time in two weeks. It’s working (yay!), but there’s a jackhammer. And a sledge hammer. They take turns, because the hole isn’t very big, but it will be bigger before they fill it in. They’re hoping to pour concrete today, maybe tomorrow.

INFRASTRUCTURE!

re: #219 Birth Control Works

THANK Biden for VAWA!

VAWA, Americans With Disabilities Act, part of the team that stopped Bork, the list goes on. Biden has an incredible list of accomplishments.

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Revisions? How about removing it from shelves because it’s full of plagiarism? She is not a writer.

oh, and this:

WOW. Jeff Sessions just said he believes Roe v Wade violated the Constitution. So there you have it.

— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) January 10, 2017

re: #195 HappyWarrior

There’s something really wrong with you if you’re likening illness to furniture shopping. Goes to show you that Harvard Law can provide you a lot of things but common sense and a heart aren’t one of them. Then again, we’re talking about a dipshit punk who deludes himself that Trump is a leftist to distance Trump’s connection to his own twisted belief system.

So…Benny is in a way all three of the main Wizard of Oz characters not named Dorthy.

No heart. No brain. No courage.

Got it.

Sessions on Texas voter ID law: “I have not studied that.” The next AG knows nothing about one of the most restrictive voting laws in the US

— Kira Lerner (@kira_lerner) January 10, 2017

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, and this:

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Isn’t this what most Republicans believe? Roe v. Wade was always one decision away from being overthrown. I guess we’ll see that happen once Trump gets to pack SCOTUS.

re: #221 HappyWarrior

As I said, it depends on the country and era. The Stalin era USSR definitely was not pro woman by any stretch. No worse than the West during that time mind you. Read also about women in Romania. I think with Communism that it really depends on the individual in charge and maybe to some extent the culture of the place.

I think this is true under every governing system.

Sen. Klobuchar just asked Sessions why he called the VRA an “intrusive piece of legislation.”

Popcorn…

— Kira Lerner (@kira_lerner) January 10, 2017

re: #226 ObserverArt

So…Benny is in a way all three of the main Wizard of Oz characters not named Dorthy.

No heart. No brain. No courage.

Got it.

Yeah but not likable. I mean yeah they all lacked one of those three but they tried to overcome it at least. Benny Boy thinks he’s being clever with tweeting that stupid word vomit at Senator Sanders but he’s not. Man, you have no idea how sick it makes me knowing that a great friend of mine loves watching his videos and posting shit from his crappy website. It honestly saddens me. I can disagree with people, that’s not the issue, it’s that if you’re likening not being able to afford health care when you’re sick to not being able afford furniture, you’re a complete heartless jackass.

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #229 Birth Control Works

I think with Communism that it really depends on the individual in charge and maybe to some extent the culture of the place.

I think this is true under every governing system.

Especially when you are dealing with a serious cult of personality like Stalin, Tito or Ceaucescu

re: #229 Birth Control Works

I think this is true under every governing system.

Yeah I do think that’s true as well. I just think it’s especially true under Communism. Most Communist countries have been actually in traditionally more socially conservative places actually. It’s actually no surprise to me that sexism and homophobia have risen in the Russian Federation.

re: #209 Belafon

As much as it’s going to hurt, if people learn this lesson, we will win the war.

Sadly…that is a mighty big IF!

And no, I am not giving up, and I know you are trying hard, but this is a huge undertaking…we have fallen that far when it comes to political knowledge.

How else to explain Trump as president?

Obamacare Repeal Might Have Just Died Tonight

Trump, of course, tends to change his mind frequently and agree with whomever he spoke with last. But other Republicans senators are taking the initiative. Fellow Republican Lamar Alexander says the same thing as Paul: “We have to take each part of it and consider what it would take to create a new and better alternative and then begin to create that alternative and once it’s available to the American people, then we can finally repeal Obamacare.” Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas said on MSNBC, “It would not be the right path for us to repeal Obamacare without laying out a path forward.” And Senator Bob Corker is walking right up to the edge of the same position, asking Trump to tweet out confirmation of what Paul claims he promised. “If it is his view, it would be really good if he would consider tweeting it out very clearly. There’s more and more concerns about not doing it simultaneously,” Corker says.

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Conservatives like to have some trophy tokens to wave around as a shield against being called out for racism. Condi was a trophy, now they have Ben Carson and Omarosa.

Condi is not incompetent.

re: #236 Birth Control Works

Obamacare Repeal Might Have Just Died Tonight

That’s great news. ACA stays in place. Their base gets angry that they’re not keeping their promise.

re: #235 ObserverArt

Sadly…that is a mighty big IF!

And no, I am not giving up, and I know you are trying hard, but this is a huge undertaking…we have fallen that far when it comes to political knowledge.

How else to explain Trump as president?

“It’s scary not having a rich white man in charge”

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Mind linking? I like reading about the differences within ideologies. When I was in college, I enjoyed studying the difference between differing types of fascists and communists as well. I’ve also been fascinating seeing the different types of liberalism that have emerged in recent years.

Here ya go:

In the 1990s, after the Soviet Union collapsed, ideological conservatives and civilizational conservatives parted ways. The clearest example was the former Yugoslavia. In the 1990s, Serbs brutalized the largely Muslim breakaway republic of Bosnia. Ideological conservatives like Robert Kagan urged NATO to intervene in the name of human rights. Cultural conservatives like Buchanan wondered why the U.S. was going to war to defend Muslims against Christians. Ideological conservatives saw Russia, Serbia’s traditional ally, as defending tyranny and ethnic cleansing. Cultural conservatives saw Russia as defending Christendom.

Cultural conservatives are also the ones that blindly take the Serb side in the Balkan war while flat-out denying the Bosnian Genocide.

Needless to say, I turned against Pat Buchanan completely when he wrote a disgusting Op-Ed arguing that Breivik “may have” been right when he committed his horrific attack in Norway.

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“he has been subject to more hostility for being Republican than for being gay”.

Interesting since the Republican National Committee’s platform is anti-gay as hell. Plus, look at all the red states passing anti-transgender bathroom bills and Mike Pence’s attempt to legalize religious anti-gay discrimination.

Look, hate CJ Roberts all you want, but he knew the law inside and out. Same with Kagan or Sotomayor. Sessions is a racist unprepared hack.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 10, 2017

re: #100 lawhawk

Priorities:

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Forget civil rights and voting rights protection, the real threat is obscenity violations?
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I mean really, who has Morality Police? Glad we aren’t going to install Sharia law under this administration.

re: #164 Birth Control Works

Back in the day, on LGF, we had a long & repeated discussion on the definition of fascism. George Orwell’s essay was mentioned several times.

Now, I see the word being used again.

If I can remember:

Fascism as a
social system is - conservative (women in the home)
political system - totalitarian
economic system - third way (mixed economy)
I seem to remember strong gun control as well.
I can’t remember the other systems.

Political system is marginally multi-party, de facto -one party
Culturally, one ethnic group

re: #179 Birth Control Works

paleocons are xenophobic. Skin color, per se, doesn’t matter as long as the individual is xtian, dresses like the paleocon, listens to the same music, dances the same way etc.

Condi Rice is awesome to them (and me, BTW), but Beyonce is not.

Unless the Christian is of Hispanic descent, of course.

re: #235 ObserverArt

Sadly…that is a mighty big IF!

And no, I am not giving up, and I know you are trying hard, but this is a huge undertaking…we have fallen that far when it comes to political knowledge.

How else to explain Trump as president?

I agree. And I chose the word “war” specifically to invoke the destruction and mayhem that goes with it, and because even if we win, things will be different.

Counter-Sting Catches James O’Keefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trump’s Inauguration

People go to the doctor because they’re sick, get a diagnosis from their doctor, but they can’t afford the treatment. How crazy is that!

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 7, 2017

I go to a fancy store to check out a piece of furniture, can’t afford it. That’s totally crazy! https://t.co/SEZa4ajDpt

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) January 8, 2017

There has to be a form of psychosis that makes you think not dying of cancer is the same thing as a new dining room set. #ACA covers that. https://t.co/G8OTJitZKA

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 10, 2017

re: #222 wrenchwench

Ask them if they’re pouring 9 bag. :)

While you’re watching Alabama tonight, remember state constitution still authorizes poll tax & segregated schools https://t.co/NkrKFArwTC pic.twitter.com/cPzVvd5DKw

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) January 10, 2017

re: #236 Birth Control Works

No one mentioned the end bit were in order to know the mind of the next President we have to wait until he Tweets it!
What in the flying ………………….