Stunning: Trump Goes to War Against US Intelligence Agencies, Compares Them to Nazis

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What a circus this press conference was. His first one in six months, and it was a complete shambles. Among other loony bits, Trump’s lawyer took over the podium for almost 20 minutes and laid out a plan to create a “blind trust” that was absolutely nothing like a real blind trust.

People will be talking about lots of moments, but for me this was the most striking, and the most horrifying:

The final question was about whether Trump or his advisers had contact with Russia during the campaign. He completely ignored the question, answered another part of it, and then ended the press conference.

The New York Times now has a partial transcript of this fiasco.

UPDATE at 1/11/17 10:11:24 am by Charles Johnson

And then, we have this:

UPDATE at 1/11/17 10:43:22 am by Charles Johnson

More breaking news; the BBC reports that there’s more than one source for that Trump intelligence dossier alleging deep Russian connections and compromising information.

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552 comments

1
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:46:13am

We move farther into the Alternate Media Reality. We will soon forget what it was like beforehand…

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:46:22am

Santorum is actually arguing “timing” on CNN, suggesting the intel community is only looking into Russian hacking because Trump won.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:47:24am

CNN now goes to Monica Langley from WSJ for the Murdoch-approved viewpoint.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:47:47am

So in his “Nazi” scenario, he is Hitler in that Downfall clip where his generals (the intel) are telling him that the war is lost.

Watch the clip with the actual subtitles (or in the original German).

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baileylamb  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:47:51am

Since all Trump does is project, this is very scary.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:50:54am

I sleep in, get up and look at the stock charts. Hmmm, 11:20 crash. What did that fucking fuck say this time to damage the markets? He’s making it very hard to make money.

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blueraven  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:52:48am

Is there any evidence that Intel leaked this dossier?

On a slightly contrary position…I think it was a mistake for Buzzfeed to publish the thing before it was vetted more thoroughly. Evidently, this info has been circulating for a while now, and no news agency has been able to verify.

If it turns out to be false, they just did Trump a huge favor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:52:55am

re: #6 Single-handed sailor

I sleep in, get up and look at the stock charts. Hmmm, 11:20 crash. What did that fucking fuck say this time to damage the markets? He’s making it very hard to make money.

He opened his mouth

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:53:35am

And look who’s praising Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:54:21am

Rex Tillerson won’t agree to totally recuse himself from any decisions involving Exxon—where he worked for 41 years

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:54:24am

re: #7 blueraven

Why? Trumpettes are literally calling *everything* fake news. I had a guy try to refute the Washington post yesterday with a YOUTUBE clip. Fuck them. Put the information out there, make him deny it. Then NOTICE HE’S NOT DENYING IT.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:55:06am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

And look who’s praising Trump.

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“To look forward to”? A lot of bullshit and no substance? Thanks, but we got our fill during the 00s. It’s why we ended up in Iraq, if you’ll remember Glenn.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:56:32am

Trump doesn’t even know how the Nazis did things. Big surprise there.

I don’t think Hitler liked his intelligence to work against him.

If there is any solid factual info out there to tie Trump to Russia it will now be forthcoming. We have an intelligence war declared, and it is going to get real ugly.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:56:41am

re: #12 Targetpractice

“To look forward to”? A lot of bullshit and no substance? Thanks, but we got our fill during the 00s. It’s why we ended up in Iraq, if you’ll remember Glenn.

BUT BUT WE CAN GET BEHIND W.’S “COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM”!!1!

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:57:24am

I can’t believe I didn’t see this coming…

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:57:33am

and people are still stomping out that burning bag of poo.

This is hilarious!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:57:35am

re: #7 blueraven

Is there any evidence that Intel leaked this dossier?

On a slightly contrary position…I think it was a mistake for Buzzfeed to publish the thing before it was vetted more thoroughly. Evidently, this info has been circulating for a while now, and no news agency has been able to verify.

If it turns out to be false, they just did Trump a huge favor.

The problem for Trump is that the social media reaction caused his team to lose the narrative in spectacular fashion. His denials make him look even worse than if he just kept his fucking mouth shut.

Even if the story is totally invalidated, the “golden showers” narrative is going to stick with him for a very long time.

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Apocalypse  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:57:52am

re: #12 Targetpractice

“To look forward to”?

Much like how I’d prefer a painless death in my sleep.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:59:14am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

And look who’s praising Trump.

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I have a surprise face here somewhere…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:59:53am

re: #6 Single-handed sailor

I sleep in, get up and look at the stock charts. Hmmm, 11:20 crash. What did that fucking fuck say this time to damage the markets? He’s making it very hard to make money.

It’s all fun and games until DT is actually the one in the prez chair making decisions and controlling things.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:59:58am

re: #7 blueraven

Is there any evidence that Intel leaked this dossier?

On a slightly contrary position…I think it was a mistake for Buzzfeed to publish the thing before it was vetted more thoroughly. Evidently, this info has been circulating for a while now, and no news agency has been able to verify.

If it turns out to be false, they just did Trump a huge favor.

It makes no difference if the story is true or i it isn’t. Trump’s hysterical reaction made him an Internet laughingstock.

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blueraven  Jan 11, 2017 • 9:59:59am

re: #11 Bass Reeves

Why? Trumpettes are literally calling *everything* fake news. I had a guy try to refute the Washington post yesterday with a YOUTUBE clip. Fuck them. Put the information out there, make him deny it. Then NOTICE HE’S NOT DENYING IT.

Tuquoque FTW.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:00:00am

MSNBC report from Russia by Bill Neely…

Party in Russia!

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:00:12am

re: #18 Apocalypse

Much like how I’d prefer a painless death in my sleep.

Not screaming in terror like the passengers in your car, right?

///

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:00:16am

re: #11 Bass Reeves

Note, too, that in Trump and Pence initial denials, they linked to Laura Ingraham’s fake news site LifeZette.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:00:49am

[Ted Striker got the punchline first!]

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:01:55am

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

…instead of screaming in terror like the passengers in your car.

Jinx!

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:03:19am

re: #22 blueraven

No. They specifically asked him if members of his team coordinated with the Russian government and he refused to answer the question.

My point is your suggestion of waiting until it was vetted is unworkable because the Trump faction doesn’t actually care if it is vetted and don’t recognize vetting as a useful function. I don’t care about them, my interest is in Trump’s reaction.

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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:05:09am

Anyone notice Trump said he and RNC were warned of potential hack, yet DNC wasn’t notified until after it happened?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:06:07am

re: #7 blueraven

Also note that the attention is being focused on the peeing part… not the “oh gee, his campaign engaged in treasonous activities with Russia” part.

Which is fine, because it 1) keeps Trump from throwing up a distraction to counter THAT distraction and 2) even if that part is invalidated, and the treasonous details AREN’T, the baby won’t be thrown out with the bathwater.

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:06:18am

re: #29 Jenner7

Anyone notice Trump said he and RNC were warned of potential hack, yet DNC wasn’t notified until after it happened?

Not only were they informed ahead of time, but he (brilliant man that he is) warned them to get better security to avoid being hacked.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:06:53am

This was Trump’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman…” moment.

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blueraven  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:07:11am

re: #17 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The problem for Trump is that the social media reaction caused his team to lose the narrative in spectacular fashion. His denials make him look even worse than if he just kept his fucking mouth shut.

Even if the story is totally invalidated, the “golden showers” narrative is going to stick with him for a very long time.

The problem is…that the next explosive story will be rejected out of hand because journalists will not want to touch it.

If the thinking is fake news is OK if it helps our side, and hurts Trump… well I just don’t know what to say. In the end Trump will win. Again.

If we contribute to the problem, where is the solution to come from?

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:08:49am

Now the media is going to be afraid to touch the next explosive story because they’ll fear the same treatment that CNN is receiving. That might endanger their access to Trump!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:09:12am

re: #32 GlutenFreeJesus

This was Trump’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman…” moment.

but that was a different era

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:09:39am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Now the media is going to be afraid to touch the next explosive story because they’ll fear the same treatment that CNN is receiving. That might endanger their access to Trump!

exactly

any news damaging to Trump is Fake News

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:09:51am

re: #11 Bass Reeves

Yeah, that’s the weird part here.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:11:30am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly

any news damaging to Trump is Fake News

I think he was talking about Trump calling them out and Spicer taking them aside. If I were in charge, I would make an entire story about Spicer trying to stop the news from asking question.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:13:02am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unbelievable

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:14:24am

So, this is me. I am an incurable optimist.

The fact is, people BELIEVE everything in these memos is not only plausible, but likely. His credibility, because he has defended Russia both prior to and during this “press conference” is shot. His ability to lead the American people, to gain our trust and support and respect, is gone. He’s done.

If you don’t believe the Republicans in Congress don’t realize that and are going to bail on supporting him….I mean, “golden showers” has been introduced into our lexicon. i found myself carefully explaining it to my 11 year-old last night. Awesome.

They are going to turn on him now. As Keith O. said, if he would stop defending Russia he might have a chance, but every time he does he adds fuel to the accusations. I’ve read every word of those memos. Russia threatened to blackmail him with more material. He’s got no legs to stand on.

And his debt, according to the memos, is with CHINA. Attacking them makes sense.

So, this is the pivot point. it will all snowball. Rubio is breaking with Trump as I type. McCain and Graham already have. Republicans are breaking with him on ACA repeal. He’s pissed off the intelligence community.

It’s falling apart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:15:03am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:16:01am

re: #33 blueraven

The problem is…that the next explosive story will be rejected out of hand because journalists will not want to touch it.

If the thinking is fake news is OK if it helps our side, and hurts Trump… well I just don’t know what to say. In the end Trump will win. Again.

If we contribute to the problem, where is the solution to come from?

I can’t believe that BuzzFeed published this on blind faith and failed to vet this entirely beforehand. There has to be something else to this that we aren’t privy to.

But if it is true, then BuzzFeed upstaged practically everyone.

re: #32 GlutenFreeJesus

This was Trump’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman…” moment.

Yup, albeit in a more crude, hysterical fashion. The parallels to 1998 are very clear here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:17:01am

“Mr. Trump, if you have no debt/investments with Russia, why not release your financial records?”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:17:04am

re: #40 BlueGrl21

His approval rating is 37%. He’s already in Trouble.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:17:07am
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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:18:21am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:18:25am

re: #44 Ziggy_TARDIS

His approval rating is 37%. He’s already in Trouble.

Which is the core GOP rank-and-file plus many Trump voters still refusing to admit they were conned in epic fashion.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:18:47am

re: #40 BlueGrl21

So, this is me. I am an incurable optimist.

…snip
If you don’t believe the Republicans in Congress don’t realize that and are going to bail on supporting him….I mean, “golden showers” has been introduced into our lexicon. i found myself carefully explaining it to my 11 year-old last night. Awesome.

They are going to turn on him now. As Keith O. said, if he would stop defending Russia he might have a chance, but every time he does he adds fuel to the accusations. I’ve read every word of those memos. Russia threatened to blackmail him with more material. He’s got no legs to stand on.

It’s falling apart.

The Republicans will never abandon him, as long as he kills Capital Gains taxes, cripples the VRA, and crushes the unions. They are him and he is them, in glory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:19:23am

earlier today:

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Apocalypse  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:19:29am

re: #40 BlueGrl21

He does have a fixation on gold.

Freudian in essence.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:19:54am

re: #33 blueraven

The problem is…that the next explosive story will be rejected out of hand because journalists will not want to touch it.

If the thinking is fake news is OK if it helps our side, and hurts Trump… well I just don’t know what to say. In the end Trump will win. Again.

If we contribute to the problem, where is the solution to come from?

There is more coming. BBC reported a second source this morning, a source they deem ‘credible.’ If it backs up the collusion angle, then this will have set the table for that conversation.

And that’s the one we need to have. The hookers and pee story pales in comparison to active collsion between a political campaign staff and a foreign government.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:20:43am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:20:46am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

earlier today:

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She covering the Hill now or just the confirms?

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:21:02am

re: #33 blueraven

We’re talking about different things. I am not talking about golden showers. Golden showers being invalid does not invalidate the rest of it. That’s not how intel reports work. Again, the provenance of this is somebody handed this to McCain, and he handed it to the IC.

Trump so far has admitted he’d seen the report, and nitpicked specific things. He did not actually say the golden shower never happened, he just said ‘I’m a germaphobe’. He did not say that Cohen didn’t meet with Russians, just that he did not go to Prague. He on multiple occasions specifically refused to answer the question on whether his campaign colluded with Russia. He refused to answer about sanctions. He lied about his business, and for most of the important stuff *had someone else speak the words*. Literally the reason to do that is when you are questioned later you can answer ‘I never said that’ and be telling the truth under oath.

You’re operating under that assumption that information is provably false. If the information WAS provably false, it would have been proven false. That it is NOT provably false, and plausible, is probably why it made it into a PDB.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:21:07am
re: #40 BlueGrl21

So, this is me. I am an incurable optimist.

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The Republicans will never abandon him, as long as he kills Capital Gains taxes, cripples the VRA, and crushes the unions. They are him and he is them, in glory.

Realist or pessimist?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:21:37am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The Republicans will never abandon him, as long as he kills Capital Gains taxes, cripples the VRA, and crushes the unions. They are him and he is them, in glory.

Indeed. The Republicans are going down with the ship, and don’t GAF about the consequences of their own actions. Just to maximize the pain for everyone else.

Only Ana Navarro and a few other lone wolves will bolt because they put country over party.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:21:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:21:49am

It was locker room pee.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:22:27am

“If Putin likes Donald Trump I consider that an asset and not a liability.”

No, if Putin likes Donald Trump HE considers YOU an asset.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:22:48am

Automatic Blocking Function Triggered

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:22:55am

re: #47 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Which is the core GOP rank-and-file plus many Trump voters still refusing to admit they were conned in epic fashion.

Yes. When GOP Congress turns, that will be it. There will still be a set of hard-core Trump supporters but this makes them look like idiots too. The standard response to them will be something based on pissing on things. They will look absolutely ridiculous as well.

The fact is, so many in this country are more intrigued by the concept of a golden shower than Trump’s business dealings. The adults in the room will focus on that.

Let nature take its course. :)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:22:58am

re: #55 wrenchwench

Realist or pessimist?

There’s a difference?

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:23:08am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:23:11am

re: #55 wrenchwench

Realist or pessimist?

Or a Piss-i-missed?

(Sorry, that was too easy)

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:23:40am

re: #40 BlueGrl21

The GOP will continue to push their extremist agenda, and wont get any pushback from Trump. He’s their plaything now.

Trump will push the Russian policy line on foreign policy, and that undermines US interests globally. The GOP will simply avert their gaze and hem and haw about how this is all some Democrats’ dirty trick or something.

And Trump’s supporters will blindly follow Trump down this rotten path - because they’ve already shown that they don’t care what Trump says or does.

Like Trump said during the campaign, he could murder someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:23:44am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

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Ban low IQs?

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:24:21am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The Republicans will never abandon him, as long as he kills Capital Gains taxes, cripples the VRA, and crushes the unions. They are him and he is them, in glory.

Pence will do the same thing without the baggage. He’s the better option for them now.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:25:30am

re: #67 BlueGrl21

Pence will do the same thing without the baggage. He’s the better option for them now.

And have a bunch of pissed-off Trump supporters ready to kill them?

At the ballot box, I mean.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:25:41am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Ban low IQs?

Another “Bell Curve Race Realist”

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S'latch  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:25:43am

Snopes says it’s false that Trump has a golden toilet.

But, today we know about Trump’s shower.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:26:01am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

There’s a difference?

More difficult to discern every day.

I made a joke as I left for work while PEEOTUS was still talking. Not even fit for a Private Comment tag. But I was joking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:26:26am

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

Another “Bell Curve Race Realist”

Yeah my guess too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:26:26am
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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:26:57am

Popcorn time:

Pass the popcorn
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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:27:42am

re: #67 BlueGrl21

Pence will do the same thing without the baggage. He’s the better option for them now.

That bait-and-switch would effectively be a coup.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:27:49am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:27:57am

re: #65 lawhawk

The GOP will continue to push their extremist agenda, and wont get any pushback from Trump. He’s their plaything now.

Trump will push the Russian policy line on foreign policy, and that undermines US interests globally. The GOP will simply avert their gaze and hem and haw about how this is all some Democrats’ dirty trick or something.

And Trump’s supporters will blindly follow Trump down this rotten path - because they’ve already shown that they don’t care what Trump says or does.

Like Trump said during the campaign, he could murder someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care.

I think the best thing to say is “we’ll see.” Incurable optimist. I don’t think this is how it’s going to play out. And either of us could be right. Time will tell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:28:01am

re: #67 BlueGrl21

Pence will do the same thing without the baggage. He’s the better option for them now.

If the allegations of collaboration between the Trump Campaign and Russian Intelligence agencies are corroborated, and it turns out that Republicans knew about this, it will not be good for them.

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:28:24am

WTF does this even mean?

“I have many meetings with intelligence, and every time I meet, people are reading about it. Somebody’s leaking it out,” he told reporters. “So then I said maybe it’s my office. Maybe my office, because I have a lot of great people, maybe it’s them.”

…”Nobody knew. The meeting was had, the meeting was over, they left, and immediately the word got out that I had a meeting,” he continued. “So I don’t want that. I don’t want that. It’s very unfair to the country. It’s very unfair to our country what’s happened.”

The meeting was had—no, yam, the American public “was had.”

4 years of this? I don’t think I can take 4 more minutes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:28:28am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:29:09am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

That bait-and switch would effectively be a coup.

Wouldn’t be that far-fetched to think that Evangelicals backed Trump knowing that this would eventually come out, and they’d have their dream leader in Pence as a result.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:29:15am

re: #37 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, that’s the weird part here.

It’s not weird at all.

For most people the intelligence services are synonymous with lies and coverups…because the intelligence services only make the news when they lie or cover stuff up. Furthermore, folks aren’t willing to do the legwork to sort out exactly where and why fuck-ups happen, so they just wide-brush the blame. Look at the resentment of the CIA for “tricking” us into Iraq, when it was the Bush Whitehouse…and in particular the working intelligence group run by Cheney…that gamed field reports, used calculated leaks to hype a false narrative, et cetera.

Furthermore, at least a quarter of the US has been conditioned to automatically distrust the “mainstream” press, using no other criteria for establishing veracity than whether it helps their tribe or not. And their hate of the “mainstream” press doesn’t diminish even when their wants are met by the former.

Complementary to that mistrust is the total collapse of critical thinking that’s happened because there’s too much information coming too fast. It’s not a mistake that Trump and his team…and much of the current GOP…are willing to make simultaneous, contradictory statements: it leaves an interpretive gap into which the press and viewers must guess about their actual intentions.

All of this comes down to: we have a bunch of people who don’t accept the premise that they work for all Americans, and many of them are apathetic even to their voting base’s needs. Doublespeak about the ACA and Trump’s whirling bullshit circus are part of the same phenomenon: they will lie and bullshit until they can make their claim “true” by counterfeits and further deception.

Neither the liars nor the people accepting those lies are believers—indeed, most of their beliefs are incoherent and subject to arbitrary, self-serving exceptions—they’re anti-skeptics. Whatever they claim, they view it to be true…until they need something else to be true. Verification does not apply to the claims made by tribe members in good standing.

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blueraven  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:29:35am

re: #51 makeitstop

There is more coming. BBC reported a second source this morning, a source they deem ‘credible.’ If it backs up the collusion angle, then this will have set the table for that conversation.

And that’s the one we need to have. The hookers and pee story pales in comparison to active collsion between a political campaign staff and a foreign government.

Agree. If there is another credible source this will be huge.
Believe me, I would love to see it.

My only issue is the speculative nature of the buzzfeed documents at this point in time.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:29:49am

Obama as Groomsman, Kerry officiating.

But who the heck is the giant? Kerry’s 6’4”, and that guy towers over him. He’s at least 7’ tall.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:29:56am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

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Hmmm, #J32P? I probably don’t want to know, do I?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:30:05am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:30:28am

Does Trump remind you of Zaphod Beeblebrox?

As a character, Zaphod is hedonistic and irresponsible, narcissistic almost to the point of solipsism, and often extremely insensitive to the feelings of those around him. In the books and radio series, he is nevertheless quite charismatic which causes many characters to ignore his other flaws. Douglas Adams claimed that he based Zaphod on an old friend of his from Cambridge called Johnny Simpson, who “had that nervous sort of hyperenergetic way of trying to appear relaxed.”[2]

In (at least) the books, he is, according to screening tests that he ran on himself in the Heart of Gold’s medical bay, “clever, imaginative, irresponsible, untrustworthy, extrovert, nothing you couldn’t have guessed” (Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide, page 98). In the movie, however, he is not very bright, and perhaps even more boorish than his previous portrayals. He is portrayed as a vacuous California surfer-type, and Sam Rockwell, the actor who played him in the film, cited Bill Clinton, Elvis Presley and George W. Bush as influences.[3] Zaphod in the film is very much immature (in contrast to the books where he was immature, but had a lot of power and was smart and devious), acting very eager about everything, eating messily with his hands, throwing temper tantrums, and doing things without reason, such as pressing the Improbability Drive button just because it was large and shiny.

Throughout the book and radio versions of the story, Zaphod is busy carrying out some grand scheme, has no clue as to what it is and is unable to do anything but follow the path that he laid out for himself. Zaphod’s grand schemes have included, over time, a second-hand ballpoint pen business (which may or may not have been established with the help of Veet Voojagig). He was forced to section off the part of his brain that stored the plan so that scans of his mind, which would be necessary for him to become president, wouldn’t reveal his plan, which included his being President of the Galaxy and subsequently stealing the prototype Infinite Improbability Drive starship. However, in his altered state of mind he follows the path he left only reluctantly and very much wishes to go off and lie on beaches rather than see the scheme through. In the second radio series and the book version of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, we learn (and so does Zaphod) that the object of his plan was to find the man who actually ruled the universe - who turns out to be a man living in a shack with his cat who doesn’t believe anything is real or certain except that which he is seeing and hearing at that moment.

-wiki

I seem to remember that Zaphod was really a figurehead who kept the masses entertained and distracted from the “real” government.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:30:44am

re: #65 lawhawk

Trump will push the Russian policy line on foreign policy, and that undermines US interests globally. The GOP will simply avert their gaze and hem and haw about how this is all some Democrats’ dirty trick or something.

I agree with the rest, but based on the Tillerson hearing right now, I would give pushback on this. I am completely amazed at the aggressiveness towards him by Republicans.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:31:11am

re: #81 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Wouldn’t be that far-fetched to think that Evangelicals backed Trump knowing that this would eventually come out, and they’d have their dream leader in Pence as a result.

That’s occurred explicity on some of their fora.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:31:27am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like Sessions, apparently hasn’t thought about much of anything, hasn’t studied this or that, can’t really say about the other thing, won’t answer hypotheticals, etc.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:32:42am

re: #84 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Obama as Groomsman, Kerry officiating.

But who the heck is the giant? Kerry’s 6’4”, and that guy towers over him. He’s at least 7’ tall.

the shadows are wierd

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baileylamb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:33:36am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

No I think Comey puttin his fingers in the scale as the coup

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:33:48am

re: #77 BlueGrl21

I think the best thing to say is “we’ll see.” Incurable optimist. I don’t think this is how it’s going to play out. And either of us could be right. Time will tell.

There’s reason for some guarded optimism. However, international humiliation for the United States is inevitable, and the GOP rank-and-file will ratfuck as much as they possibly can before their luck runs out. Plus constitutional crisises can’t be fun.

It’s possible that we can get out of this with some scrapes, maybe a broken arm or leg.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:35:00am

re: #84 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Obama as Groomsman, Kerry officiating.

But who the heck is the giant? Kerry’s 6’4”, and that guy towers over him. He’s at least 7’ tall.

The groom is one of Obama’s staffers: Marvin Nicholson

ETA: He is 6’8”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:35:55am

re: #93 Myron Falwell (no relation)

There’s reason for some guarded optimism. However, international humiliation for the United States is inevitable, and the GOP rank-and-file will ratfuck as much as they possibly can before their luck runs out. Plus constitutional crisises can’t be fun.

It’s possible that we can get out of this with some scrapes, maybe a broken arm or leg.

Our best hope of that is wild GOP over-reach. If they manage to control the throttle, it could be a bad 8 years.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:35:57am
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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:36:03am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:36:38am

re: #88 Bass Reeves

I agree with the rest, but based on the Tillerson hearing right now, I would give pushback on this. I am completely amazed at the aggressiveness towards him by Republicans.

I hope this surprising show of bravado isn’t just that, for show. But I’m largely resigned to DT getting most if not all his nominees through. I’d be surprised if any were actually defeated. And if any are defeated, the eventual appointee will likely be just as bad.

DT will ultimately rise or fall based on what happens after Jan 20, probably as a result of events, developments that he’s not prepared for. Things beyond his control.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:36:42am
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plansbandc  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:36:53am

re: #64 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Piss a Mist. Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:38:11am

re: #97 Kragar

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Snap.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:38:31am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

He could do well in the Secret Service, or as a guard for Obama. Guy looks like he could chuck someone through a wall without blinking.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:38:34am

What scares me is how much of our nation will be destroyed, how many people die before Trump can be stopped.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:38:38am

re: #93 Myron Falwell (no relation)

There’s reason for some guarded optimism. However, international humiliation for the United States is inevitable, and the GOP rank-and-file will ratfuck as much as they possibly can before their luck runs out. Plus constitutional crisises can’t be fun.

It’s possible that we can get out of this with some scrapes, maybe a broken arm or leg.

We are already humiliated —there is no saving face at this point. WE shouldn’t try. We don’t want to be like PRK or other such countries in which dick size is more important than reality.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:39:01am

re: #102 Ziggy_TARDIS

He could do well in the Secret Service, or as a guard for Obama. Guy looks like he could chuck someone through a wall without blinking.

He could play the role of Jack Reacher much better than Tom Cruise.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:39:18am

Sorry, guys, but I’m an optimist. i see these things happening and I don’t move towards doom and gloom and worst case scenarios and nuclear wars and the country being fucked. I just don’t. Not how I’m wired.

I see opportunities to leverage. I see problems being exposed in our democracy that we can fight and fix. I see endemic issues being brought to light instead of being in the shadows. I see people protesting and being determined to fight back. I see those as good things.

I see all of these roaches coming out as a good thing. I see us saying, “This is a cluster” as a good thing. Because if we see it, we can fix it. And we really can fix these things, one crack at a time.

I see people learning. I see eyes opening. I see my Texas county going blue. I hear my Republican friends telling me they’re done with the party, voted for Hillary, and are embarrassed by Trump. I see those things.

I’m going to focus on opportunities. I’m going to feel vindicated every time Trump speaks in public. I’m going to know I was right this whole time.

I am afraid we have hit doom and gloom here and I’m just not going to buy into it.

My first time to visit this place was when Charles posted that he was done with the Republican party. I stayed because that moment was a very good moment. I saw one person getting it. That is where I choose to focus.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:39:23am

re: #88 Bass Reeves

The opposition by some in the GOP doesn’t diminish fact that majority of the Senate GOP would confirm him regardless of whatever he says. That a handful are giving him the business over his ties to Russia isn’t particularly heartening. Some of this is for show, and some of it is their hope that they can get someone at State who isn’t a total pushover for Russia and can advance the establishment GOP position such as it remains.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:39:25am

re: #100 plansbandc

Piss a Mist. Sorry.

Don’t make me come back there with my downdinger…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:39:51am

re: #102 Ziggy_TARDIS

He could do well in the Secret Service, or as a guard for Obama. Guy looks like he could chuck someone through a wall without blinking.

I edited my comment to add that Nicholson is 6’8”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:40:34am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

What scares me is how much of our nation will be destroyed, how many people die before Trump can be stopped.

It’s 2017. No Lives Matter.

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Franklin  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:40:38am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:40:39am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

That’s occurred explicity on some of their fora.

good latin!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:41:14am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:41:27am

re: #108 wrenchwench

Don’t make me come back there with my downdinger…

Brace yourself for a trickle-down administration.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:42:09am

re: #112 Birth Control Works

good latin!

It cost me 5 of my teenage years.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:42:10am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Our best hope of that is wild GOP over-reach. If they manage to control the throttle, it could be a bad 8 years.

With THESE guys? I’m not sure that they are capable of restraint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:42:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:42:27am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But NRO says he’s not a racist.//

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:42:58am

re: #116 Myron Falwell (no relation)

With THESE guys? I’m not sure that they are capable of restraint.

See, we’re optimists again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:43:37am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:44:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:44:23am
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:44:31am

At this time I would like to thank the Dishonorable George Walker “W” Bush for completely damaging America’s trust in our intelligence services.

In helping Mr. Bush acknowledgements must include Richard Bruce “Dick” Cheney and Colin Luther Powell.

Also, a special mention to Edward J. Snowden for furthering the cause of damaging U.S. Intelligence.

We are now a country without trust in important agencies and are much the lesser for it.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:45:04am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:46:21am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As John Lewis was speaking?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:46:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:46:40am
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:47:01am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle @Stonekettle
Morgan Lewis has either locked down their server or overloaded. I got screen shots before they went offline
1:27 PM - 11 Jan 2017

Heh, I must have been one of the overloaders!

It took some time to get in…I thought maybe that page was being scrubbed as I waited. I also copy the text and did a screen shot. You never know where and when it will be needed.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:47:35am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

It cost me 5 of my teenage years.

I had just as many in high school, college and helping my son.

Don’t remember shit. Except when I am looking something up —then I remember.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:48:51am

re: #123 ObserverArt

At this time I would like to thank the Dishonorable George Walker “W” Bush for completely damaging America’s trust in our intelligence services.

In helping Mr. Bush acknowledgements must include Richard Bruce “Dick” Cheney and Colin Luther Powell.

Also, a special mention to Edward J. Snowden for furthering the cause of damaging U.S. Intelligence.

We are now a country without trust in important agencies and are much the lesser for it.

Yep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:48:59am
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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:49:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:49:11am

re: #128 ObserverArt

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:50:30am

From the above update:

More breaking news; the BBC reports that there’s more than one source for that Trump intelligence dossier alleging deep Russian connections and compromising information.

Yeah, repeatedly insulting the international intelligence communities always works to your advantage.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:50:39am

re: #129 Birth Control Works

I had just as many in high school, college and helping my son.

Don’t remember shit. Except when I am looking something up —then I remember.

I did two semesters in college, couldn’t even give you part of a standard declension.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:50:59am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:51:27am

re: #129 Birth Control Works

I had just as many in high school, college and helping my son.

Don’t remember shit. Except when I am looking something up —then I remember.

Franciscan seminary. Kids in the dorm spoke Latin in their sleep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:51:35am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:52:24am

re: #129 Birth Control Works

I really want to learn another language, preferably Arabic or Urdu first.

But I have some sort of block in regards to learning any language. Don’t know why.

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prairiefire  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:52:43am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Them dreams, tho.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:05am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:07am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

I did two semesters in college, couldn’t even give you part of a standard declension.

Well, if it is subject in a sentence and it ends in an “a” it is most likely (but not always) 1st declension, feminine, singular.

Otherwise it is ablative, genitive or mineral.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:25am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

I did two semesters in college, couldn’t even give you part of a standard declension.

I’m at the stage Fr. Guido Sarducci pushes in his 5 year/5 minute/ 5 dollar course.

Father Guido Sarducci’s Five Minute University

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:38am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:46am
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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:53:47am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hans von Spakovsky? True the Vote, Spakovsky? This Hans von Spakovsky?

John Lewis (from a 2012 article)
“He’s been the moving force behind photo I.D.s. I don’t know if it’s something in the water he’s been drinking … but over the years he’s been hellbent to make it more difficult—always, always—for people to vote. It’s like he goes to bed dreaming about this, and gets up in the morning wondering, What can I do today to make it more difficult for people to vote? When you pull back the covers, peel back the onion, he’s the one who’s gotten the Republican legislatures, and the Republican Party, to go along with this—even though there is no voter fraud to speak of. He’s trying to create a cure where there is no sickness.”

newyorker.com

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Franklin  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:54:00am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:54:15am

I realize that I’m harping on a single point, but:

If you’re want a simple demonstration of what I mean about making things true, look at that pile of folders.

They had no bearing on the discussion, the press were not allowed to see their contents. They were a prop specifically put in place so that Trump could reference, suggesting that their number and presence was significant. There was no actual material presented, but the files symbolically represented the idea that there was lots of material to be presented. The files were there, therefore they must mean something, and Trump and his staff have suggested what they mean via their words and gestures.

Compare this moment with the earlier campaign mess in which “Trump Steaks” were presented at a campaign event…that were not steaks from the defunct product line, and were easily identifiable as not at all a Trump product from one of his businesses. Trump himself stood by and claimed declared them his…why? Same principle in action: there’s no real defense of Trump Steaks—which literally don’t exist anymore—but you can sell the image.

Now, compare this to the ACORN tapes, or any subsequent case of faked video or audio used to advance a culture war position and/or impact policy: the instinct is the same. The creators of those hoaxes believe they’ve created evidence: they are mountebanks and true believers. The politicians that still cite these hoaxes as motive to act believe that there’s a “truth” to the hoax, and thus do not acknowledge the established-by-proof, calcified-by-lawsuit deception of the materials.

Theater to create truth, followed by rapid (and drastic) action, followed by quashing all discussion of the evidence. It’s going to become more blatant, more frequent, particularly now that we have an alignment of executive and legislative (and soon, judicial)…that also have deep coordination with major press resources.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:54:20am

re: #68 Timothy Watson

And have a bunch of pissed-off Trump supporters ready to kill them?

At the ballot box, I mean.

37% approval rating on Trump that will go down. They’re about to have very little to fear from Trump supporters.

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:55:31am

re: #123 ObserverArt

At this time I would like to thank the Dishonorable George Walker “W” Bush for completely damaging America’s trust in our intelligence services.

In helping Mr. Bush acknowledgements must include Richard Bruce “Dick” Cheney and Colin Luther Powell.

Also, a special mention to Edward J. Snowden for furthering the cause of damaging U.S. Intelligence.

We are now a country without trust in important agencies and are much the lesser for it.

How long until the yam starts outing individual agents, ala the Valerie Plame retaliation outing?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:56:52am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

And Goebbels had no balls at all.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:57:08am

re: #139 Ziggy_TARDIS

I really want to learn another language, preferably Arabic or Urdu first.

But I have some sort of block in regards to learning any language. Don’t know why.

Me too. Outside of the romance languages I’m lost. French entirely eludes me. I literally can’t hear most asian languages. Urdu and Arabic sound the same to me.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:57:19am

re: #150 BeachDem

How long until the yam starts outing individual agents, ala the Valerie Plame retaliation outing?

Not long. We’re way beyond Bush-level pettiness.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:57:24am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:58:33am

re: #106 BlueGrl21

I’m with you on refusing to give in to doom and gloom. Not because I can’t see it, but because despair is demoralizing and paralyzing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:58:35am
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:58:47am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh…I have them! A complete screen shot of their entire site with the news release in both that image and saved as text.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:59:28am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump said Russia’s Vladimir Putin won’t be hacking the U.S. when he’s president. “He shouldn’t be doing it; he won’t be doing it,” he said.

— Jennifer Jacobs

Oh, OK. Whew. I was worried.

/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:59:31am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not necessarily thrilled about this, but she has served time for what she did, compared to say, some other people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 10:59:40am
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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:00:41am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

If you’re want a simple demonstration of what I mean about making things true, look at that pile of folders.

Like Clint Eastwood’s empty chair, but required more trees to make.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:01:02am

re: #152 Birth Control Works

I can’t even get Italian.

I think it is related to the Autism. I also strugle with Programming. However, I have a fantastic memory, and tend to think in Pictures and Maps.

Maybe all that information will lead someone to the cause and solution of my issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:01:18am
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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:01:20am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I realize that I’m harping on a single point, but:

If you’re want a simple demonstration of what I mean about making things true, look at that pile of folders.

They had no bearing on the discussion, the press were not allowed to see their contents. They were a prop specifically put in place so that Trump could reference, suggesting that their number and presence was significant. There was no actual material presented, but the files symbolically represented the idea that there was lots of material to be presented. The files were there, therefore they must mean something, and Trump and his staff have suggested what they mean via their words and gestures.

Compare this moment with the earlier campaign mess in which “Trump Steaks” were presented at a campaign event…that were not steaks from the defunct product line, and were easily identifiable as not at all a Trump product from one of businesses. Trump himself stood by and claimed declared them his…why? Same principle in action: there’s no real defense of Trump Steaks—which literally don’t exist anymore—but you can sell the image.

Now, compare this to the ACORN tapes, or any subsequent case of faked video or audio used to advance a culture war position and/or impact policy: the instinct is the same. The creators of those hoaxes believe they’ve created evidence: they are mountebanks and true believers. The politicians that still cite these hoaxes as motive to act believe that there’s a “truth” to the hoax, and thus do not acknowledge the established-by-proof, calcified-by-lawsuit deception of the materials.

Theater to create truth, followed by rapid (and drastic) action, followed by quashing all discussion of the evidence. It’s going to become more blatant, more frequent, particularly now that we have an alignment of executive and legislative (and soon, judicial)…that also have deep coordination with major sources.

A while back, a poker pro was at the final table in a big TV tournament, and they do this thing where they bring out the first place prize money and stack it up on the table, well he was sitting right next to it and fanned through one of the bands of cash, they were blank pieces of paper, so of course he snapped a picture and posted it on his blog. I suspect it’s something like that with Trump’s props today.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:02:03am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Guessing here. Smith is black?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:02:04am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesterday, Sessions said not talked voter fraud w/Trump. Today, Tillerson says haven’t talked Russia. What the hell they been doing…Zumba?

— Ana Navarro

Damn, still got the fastball.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I realize that I’m harping on a single point, but:

If you’re want a simple demonstration of what I mean about making things true, look at that pile of folders.

They had no bearing on the discussion, the press were not allowed to see their contents. They were a prop specifically put in place so that Trump could reference, suggesting that their number and presence was significant. There was no actual material presented, but the files symbolically represented the idea that there was lots of material to be presented. The files were there, therefore they must mean something, and Trump and his staff have suggested what they mean via their words and gestures.

Compare this moment with the earlier campaign mess in which “Trump Steaks” were presented at a campaign event…that were not steaks from the defunct product line, and were easily identifiable as not at all a Trump product from one of businesses. Trump himself stood by and claimed declared them his…why? Same principle in action: there’s no real defense of Trump Steaks—which literally don’t exist anymore—but you can sell the image.

Now, compare this to the ACORN tapes, or any subsequent case of faked video or audio used to advance a culture war position and/or impact policy: the instinct is the same. The creators of those hoaxes believe they’ve created evidence: they are mountebanks and true believers. The politicians that still cite these hoaxes as motive to act believe that there’s a “truth” to the hoax, and thus do not acknowledge the established-by-proof, calcified-by-lawsuit deception of the materials.

Theater to create truth, followed by rapid (and drastic) action, followed by quashing all discussion of the evidence. It’s going to become more blatant, more frequent, particularly now that we have an alignment of executive and legislative (and soon, judicial)…that also have deep coordination with major press resources.

Who was Freud’s nephew?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:02:33am

re: #159 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And I really get the feeling that Manning was screwed over by Assange and Greenwald, among others. I would be ok with clemency for him.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:03:03am

Trump going ahead with moving US embassy to Jerusalem.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:03:28am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Theater to create truth, followed by rapid (and drastic) action, followed by quashing all discussion of the evidence.

Wait, are you talking about Fox News?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:03:35am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This after screaming about PAY FOR PLAY about Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.

Oh well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:04:12am

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

Trump going ahead with moving US embassy to Jerusalem.

Welp that’s sure to cause another Benghazi or two.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:04:16am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Joey “No Socks” Cinque: “I haven’t talked wit Trump about cement, nah.”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:04:33am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

WIlliam Smith testifying for Sessions, says those who disagree with Sessions yesterday haven’t spent time with him.

— Sarah Reese Jones

We need to know what’s in Sessions’ “heart” I guess.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:05:57am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:06:01am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:06:02am

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

Trump going ahead with moving US embassy to Jerusalem.

There are more than 1,000 embassy employees and dependants. It would be a lot harder to evac them from Jerusalem.

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:06:05am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But, but Joe Lieberman wrote a letter saying what a nice guy Sessions is and how he’ll make a wonder AG.

Damn, of all the people I don’t miss, Lieberman is near the top of the list.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:06:18am

re: #162 Ziggy_TARDIS

I can’t even get Italian.

I think it is related to the Autism. I also strugle with Programming. However, I have a fantastic memory, and tend to think in Pictures and Maps.

Maybe all that information will lead someone to the cause and solution of my issue.

me too —visual, global thinker.

Temple Grandin described it well in her book, “Thinking in Pictures.”

I’ve always thought I”m on the Spectrum, somewhere, it’s never been mentioned in my various mental health sessions

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:06:43am
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:07:42am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

There are more than 1,000 embassy employees and dependants. It would be a lot harder to evac them from Jerusalem.

Think about how many wars you could start with a bombing of the Embassy there. Or how many investigations into Democratic presidents.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:07:42am

re: #148 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I realize that I’m harping on a single point, but:

If you’re want a simple demonstration of what I mean about making things true, look at that pile of folders.

They had no bearing on the discussion, the press were not allowed to see their contents. They were a prop specifically put in place so that Trump could reference, suggesting that their number and presence was significant. There was no actual material presented, but the files symbolically represented the idea that there was lots of material to be presented. The files were there, therefore they must mean something, and Trump and his staff have suggested what they mean via their words and gestures.

Compare this moment with the earlier campaign mess in which “Trump Steaks” were presented at a campaign event…that were not steaks from the defunct product line, and were easily identifiable as not at all a Trump product from one of businesses. Trump himself stood by and claimed declared them his…why? Same principle in action: there’s no real defense of Trump Steaks—which literally don’t exist anymore—but you can sell the image.

Now, compare this to the ACORN tapes, or any subsequent case of faked video or audio used to advance a culture war position and/or impact policy: the instinct is the same. The creators of those hoaxes believe they’ve created evidence: they are mountebanks and true believers. The politicians that still cite these hoaxes as motive to act believe that there’s a “truth” to the hoax, and thus do not acknowledge the established-by-proof, calcified-by-lawsuit deception of the materials.

Theater to create truth, followed by rapid (and drastic) action, followed by quashing all discussion of the evidence. It’s going to become more blatant, more frequent, particularly now that we have an alignment of executive and legislative (and soon, judicial)…that also have deep coordination with major sources.

Those folders were just fine for Trump to use as props, but he sure had some issues with the British document that you can actually read and has been said was given to the CIA by a known and credible spy.

Why, it is just like Donald Trump got the actual copy of Senator Joseph McCarthy’s “List” of dangerous commies in this country from his old lawyer Roy Cohn and made a couple thousand copies of it and put them in those folders and envelopes.

You wanna see them? We can just after we get back from the snipe hunt tonight!

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:08:17am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Franciscan seminary. Kids in the dorm spoke Latin in their sleep.

so sorry

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:08:57am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:09:00am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Let’s roll the tape!

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:09:22am

re: #182 ObserverArt

Those folders were just fine for Trump to use as props, but he sure had some issues with the British document that you can actually read and has been said was given to the CIA by a known and credible spy.

Why, it is just like Donald Trump got the actual copy of Senator Joseph McCarthy’s “List” of dangerous commies in this country from his old lawyer Roy Cohn and made a couple thousand copies of it and put them in those folders and envelopes.

You wanna see them? We can just after we get back from the snipe hunt tonight!

the talk about the folders is beginning to remind me of someone’s “red” folder or binder. Arafat?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:09:33am

re: #183 Birth Control Works

so sorry

When LGFers talk about their HS experiences, I think I got the better deal.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:10:31am

Surprising nobody

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:11:10am

re: #150 BeachDem

How long until the yam starts outing individual agents, ala the Valerie Plame retaliation outing?

We’ll know when they are marched out to stand in front of the firing squad for being treasonous.

Was that too cynical? Can you be too cynical anymore?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:11:57am

re: #179 Birth Control Works

It might be a start.

I do need to know what exactly the issue is, and the best way to negate it.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:12:42am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

When LGFers talk about their HS experiences, I think I got the better deal.

no, no, no, not here. I fought to be in public school after 8 years of RC school. You probably got a better scholarly education and were kept safe from a lot of shit, but I’ll gladly keep my public school eduction, thank you.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:12:47am

re: #162 Ziggy_TARDIS

I can’t even get Italian.

I think it is related to the Autism. I also strugle with Programming. However, I have a fantastic memory, and tend to think in Pictures and Maps.

Maybe all that information will lead someone to the cause and solution of my issue.

My husband had absolutely no spatial memory, and couldn’t remember faces. I can remember faces and places, and maps, but my aural memory is pretty weak. His was terrific. Different brains, different wiring.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:13:18am

re: #162 Ziggy_TARDIS

I had a pretty decent time learning Arabic. The thing that made it click for me was learning the measures and the actual underlying structure for creating nouns and adjectives from the root verb. Learning the root verbs was just memorization, then memorizing the measures, and you are pretty close to all the way there for even identifying proximate meanings of unknown words. Modern Standard Arabic is far more logical than English, and once you are firm on that, learning all the dialects will just mess with you for months.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:13:57am

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

Trump going ahead with moving US embassy to Jerusalem.

I feel like I need to make a spreadsheet to cover all of the events that have happened over the past week. I can’t keep up.

Which is, of course, the idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:14:06am

mental health break:

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nines09  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:14:47am

re: #175 wrenchwench

Dick Nixon’s ghost snapped out.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:14:58am

re: #190 Ziggy_TARDIS

It might be a start.

I do need to know what exactly the issue is, and the best way to negate it.

The best University Psych Med school in your area. Univ of Chicago gives a comprehensive multi-appointment multi-test evaluation. We did that for our son, everyone else said he was ADD, he isn’t.

They also had a test for Asberger’s, he isn’t.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:16:03am
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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:16:35am

re: #168 Ziggy_TARDIS

And I really get the feeling that Manning was screwed over by Assange and Greenwald, among others. I would be ok with clemency for him.

Her.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:18:35am

re: #197 Birth Control Works

I had a psych eval about 7 months ago. It did not touch on language, accept noting that my vocabulary was exceptional, but my ability to express myself through it was much lower than expected.

Nothing about foreign languages though.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:18:50am

re: #193 Bass Reeves

I had a pretty decent time learning Arabic. The thing that made it click for me was learning the measures and the actual underlying structure for creating nouns and adjectives from the root verb. Learning the root verbs was just memorization, then memorizing the measures, and you are pretty close to all the way there for even identifying proximate meanings of unknown words. Modern Standard Arabic is far more logical than English, and once you are firm on that, learning all the dialects will just mess with you for months.

My experience with learning languages….I took Latin in elementary school, which was such a good thing. Then I learned Spanish in high school and through just living in Texas, still speak it fairly well.

Then I got to college and decided Italian should be easy to pick up….but my professor was FURIOUS that I spoke it with a Spanish accent. She would tear me up, kill me in oral presentations, just brutal. Why not just take Spanish? Not wired for that either….I wanted to learn something new.

At that point I decided I liked science and math better and switch to a BS vs. a BA to avoid the language requirement. Best thing I ever did.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:18:51am

re: #199 makeitstop

Oops. That won’t happpen again.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:18:53am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:19:09am

They are doing this because they know they can get away with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:19:42am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:16am

re: #200 Ziggy_TARDIS

I had a psych eval about 7 months ago. It did not touch on language, accept noting that my vocabulary was exceptional, but my ability to express myself through it was much lower than expected.

Nothing about foreign languages though.

call back and ask

be diplomatically pushy

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Franklin  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:24am

re: #203 jaunte

Hey, it’s me!

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:28am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

mental health break:

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I always like a good “boy and his dog” story.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:36am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

DogRates is legit my favorite follow on all of twitter. I look forward to all of his posts.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:36am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i whhhaaaannnnnttttt one!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:20:42am

re: #87 Birth Control Works

Does Trump remind you of Zaphod Beeblebrox?

-wiki

I seem to remember that Zaphod was really a figurehead who kept the masses entertained and distracted from the “real” government.

and that is the job of politicians: to keep us distracted from the people really pulling the levers of power.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:21:10am

re: #164 KGxvi

The difference being…there was an actual cash prize that you’d win.

Problem arises when all you’ve got is symbols, and you’re offering it instead of proof.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:21:36am

re: #198 jaunte

Honest question: are we actually going to see Republican Senators bail on Trump’s cabinet picks?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:22:02am

re: #208 ObserverArt

I always like a good “boy and his dog” story.

Even when the dog eats the girlfriend?

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:23:02am

re: #213 KGxvi

I have no good answers.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:23:44am

re: #215 jaunte

I have no good answers.

Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-Free Contraception.

Best answer to date (and It’s mine)
:)

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:23:48am

re: #213 KGxvi

Honest question: are we actually going to see Republican Senators bail on Trump’s cabinet picks?

Probably not.

Remember, they perfected the practice of making contrary noises and then falling into line when the vote takes place back in the W administration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:24:16am
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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:24:34am

I emptied my rain gauge last Friday - before this storm cycle started. Croc is half way up.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:24:48am

re: #212 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

The difference being…there was an actual cash prize that you’d win.

Problem arises when all you’ve got is symbols, and you’re offering it instead of proof.

Oh, I know. Just something that popped into my head. Trump is a teevee personality, so of course he’d operate like this were a teevee show.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:25:45am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Even when the dog eats the girlfriend?

Was she evil??? Maybe a future “black widow” and the dog sensed it?

Good dog! /

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:25:51am

re: #219 darthstar

I emptied my rain gauge last Friday - before this storm cycle started. Croc is half way up.

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By the way…it was full when I emptied it. So we’ve had at least five gallons of rain this year already.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:26:31am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Was she evil??? Maybe a future “black widow” and the dog sensed it?

Good dog! /

Anyone ever seen Trump with a dog?

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:26:33am

Tillerson just told Cory Booker that we should have sent the military to Ukraine after Crimea.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:27:37am

re: #188 darthstar

Surprising nobody

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Not surprising, but I wonder what he thinks about the Russian actions that precipitated the sanctions.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:27:40am

re: #220 KGxvi

Oh, he is. Absolutely.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:27:41am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

Tillerson just told Cory Booker that we should have sent the military to Ukraine after Crimea.

Exxon Diplomacy.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:27:49am

re: #213 KGxvi

Honest question: are we actually going to see Republican Senators bail on Trump’s cabinet picks?

Man, your guess is as good as mine. McCain and Graham are intriguing the hell out of me right now when it comes to anything related to Russia. Approving Sessions is a bad political move but I don’t trust them to see that. The Southerners are defending him, I’m intrigued to see how the Northern Republican Senators go.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:28:11am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

Tillerson just told Cory Booker that we should have sent the military to Ukraine after Crimea.

Oh.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:28:13am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Anyone ever seen Trump with a dog?

Last time Trump had a dog it tried to bite his hand.

It missed.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:28:19am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

Tillerson just told Cory Booker that we should have sent the military to Ukraine after Crimea.

Way to move that Doomsday Clock, Trumpisti!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:29:28am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Way to move that Doomsday Clock, Trumpisiti!!

No, the Dudebros assured us Trump would keep us out of WWIII but Hillary would be all War all the time.

//

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:29:42am

YOu know how the whacko evangelicals are trying to push for the rapture?

“Family” Bullshit and all…

Religion of this sort pisses me off.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

These idiots have no idea what they are doing.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:31:06am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:31:25am

re: #234 Ziggy_TARDIS

These idiots have no idea what they are doing.

and those are are truly acting in good-faith will be drowned.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:31:30am

re: #234 Ziggy_TARDIS

These idiots have no idea what they are doing.

Be more charitable. They are just innocent of thought.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:31:47am

Sekrit Foreign Policy

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:32:53am

Follow the dark money.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:33:33am
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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:34:10am

re: #228 BlueGrl21

Man, your guess is as good as mine. McCain and Graham are intriguing the hell out of me right now when it comes to anything related to Russia. Approving Sessions is a bad political move but I don’t trust them to see that. The Southerners are defending him, I’m intrigued to see how the Northern Republican Senators go.

Flake and Heller are both up in 2018; Nevada is mostly a toss up state (I’d say it’s trending blue, but the state party doesn’t seem able to win state offices), and Arizona may be in the early stages of a shift (plus Flake already has a primary challenger). Those are two to watch in my opinion. And the Northern Republican Senators that won in states that are typically blue will also be interesting.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:34:19am

re: #240 Kragar

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EXCELLENT!

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mmmirele  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:34:55am

re: #168 Ziggy_TARDIS

And I really get the feeling that Manning was screwed over by Assange and Greenwald, among others. I would be ok with clemency for him.

I think she’s in a delicate situation, being transgender in an environment that doesn’t accept it. I think she should be hospitalized appropriately so she can get the care she needs. Military prison is not that place. She will contine to attempt suicide, and continue to be punished for that until she succeeds. I think the needs of justice could be served by moving her to a secure hospital for care.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:35:06am

re: #241 KGxvi

Flake and Heller are both up in 2018; Nevada is mostly a toss up state (I’d say it’s trending blue, but the state party doesn’t seem able to win state offices), and Arizona may be in the early stages of a shift (plus Flake already has a primary challenger). Those are two to watch in my opinion. And the Northern Republican Senators that won in states that are typically blue will also be interesting.

Democrats in those states need to be calling their offices.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:35:21am

Explaining vaccines to your anti-vaxx Facebook “friends”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:35:43am

re: #238 jaunte

This was a very strange exchange. Tillerson said he would look into having the press corps travel with him

— Michael Cohen

Didn’t have the press when on Exxon junkets. Hasn’t thought much about the duties of SoS.

/

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SpaceJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:35:53am

Trump last week to the intelligence community: “fuck you.”

Intelligence community: “poor choice of words, pissbaby.”

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:36:29am

re: #224 Bass Reeves

Tillerson just told Cory Booker that we should have sent the military to Ukraine after Crimea.

Did Tillerson say “Ukraine” or “the Ukraine”? Adding “the” is a thing Russians have done since at least the Soviet era to demean and delegitimize Ukrainian independence and self-government.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:37:19am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:37:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:37:26am

re: #248 KGxvi

Did Tillerson say “Ukraine” or “the Ukraine”? Adding “the” is a thing Russians have done since at least the Soviet era to demean and delegitimize Ukrainian independence and self-government.

It was in common usage until recently. I would not read too much into it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:37:57am

re: #248 KGxvi

Did Tillerson say “Ukraine” or “the Ukraine”? Adding “the” is a thing Russians have done since at least the Soviet era to demean and delegitimize Ukrainian independence and self-government.

Surely you’re not expecting subtlety from a diplomat?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:38:00am

re: #247 SpaceJesus

MI6 is joining now too, from what the BBC is saying.

This also puts Jill Stein in tough spot, as it talks about her in those files. I betting she is getting a lawyer right now.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:40:44am

So, moving the embassy to Jerusalem and pissing off the Turks.

Great work there guys.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:41:17am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was in common usage until recently. I would not read too much into it.

The Ukrainian government specifically asked that the “the” be dropped in 1993 (western media began dropping it a few years earlier). But it continues to be used in Russia despite Ukrainians believing it is insulting. It’s a real thing.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:41:23am

this

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scottslemmons  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:41:39am

re: #253 Ziggy_TARDIS

MI6 is joining now too, from what the BBC is saying.

This also puts Jill Stein in tough spot, as it talks about her in those files. I betting she is getting a lawyer right now.

Lawyer or passport? I’m kinda expecting a lot of the bad actors in American politics to start carrying their bug-out bags with them just in case they need to make a permanent move to Russia.

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:42:06am

“So I am struck at how normal crazy looked to us today. I mean, this was just a crazy scene. This is the normal of Donald Trump.”

According to Todd, the press conference benefited Trump because “it made the press look disjointed, unorganized.”

rawstory.com

Hey, Chuck Todd—

YOU BUILT THAT.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:43:15am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Hopefully the press will make this a story.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:43:58am

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:44:30am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:45:51am
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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:45:51am

Rubio just asked Tillerson to veto lifting the travel ban to Cuba. It sounded like Tillerson said he would veto the bill in the short term, but he’s not against lifting the embargo later.

He’s probably not going to get Rubio’s vote, tbh.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:46:08am

bbl

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:47:14am

re: #254 Kragar

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So, moving the embassy to Jerusalem and pissing off the Turks.

Great work there guys.

Let’s also not forget pissing off the Iraqi government that spent the last 12 years convincing their Kurdish population to not secede; or the Iranian government that has it’s own Kurdish population/territories.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:48:45am

Tillerson doesn’t know much about the world, does he? He has no facts, has never read about anything.

LOL and Rubio going after Trump through Tillerson on Duterte. I’m having a good time watching this.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #258 BeachDem

“So I am struck at how normal crazy looked to us today. I mean, this was just a crazy scene. This is the normal of Donald Trump.”

According to Todd, the press conference benefited Trump because “it made the press look disjointed, unorganized.”

rawstory.com

Hey, Chuck Todd—

YOU BUILT THAT.

People have been pointing out how ineffective the press is since the Bush years. They got bullied by him and they got bullied by Trump today…and they took it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:50:45am
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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:50:58am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I could live with a commutation to time served for Ms. Manning. Just so long as someday Snowflake pays the piper.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:51:18am

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

Trump going ahead with moving US embassy to Jerusalem.

An incredibly terrible idea that’s going to make the situation in the Middle East MUCH worse than it already is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:53:03am

re: #270 Charles Johnson

An incredibly terrible idea that’s going to make the situation in the Middle East MUCH worse than it already is.

That should trigger another Benghazi or two or 3.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:53:17am
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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:53:48am

re: #270 Charles Johnson

An incredibly terrible idea that’s going to make the situation in the Middle East MUCH worse than it already is.

Just think about what happens to oil prices if the Middle East goes up, and how much money Putin would make because of it

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:54:33am

re: #261 Kragar

I hope that OPEC doesn’t take that bait. It would be in their best interests for them to increase oil production so as to totally sabotage Trump and Putin right out of the gate.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:55:20am

re: #267 darthstar

People have been pointing out how ineffective the press is since the Bush years. They got bullied by him and they got bullied by Trump today…and they took it.

I think there may be one difference between Bush and Trump. Bush and Co knew not to kick them out, just bully them and promise them everything will be better. Trump and Co will kick them out, and the best thing that might happen to the press would be to stop being promised that things will be different tomorrow.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:55:47am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:56:22am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

That should trigger another Benghazi or two or 3.

Or worse. Trump’s name is plastered on chintzy hotels and resorts worldwide. All sitting targets.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:57:07am

re: #276 jaunte

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Just “provided information”.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:57:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:59:07am

re: #255 KGxvi

The Ukrainian government specifically asked that the “the” be dropped in 1993 (western media began dropping it a few years earlier). But it continues to be used in Russia despite Ukrainians believing it is insulting. It’s a real thing.

I was not aware of that aspect, I did notice that they had stopped using it since nationhood.

Pretty funny, as Russian does not even have a specific or general article.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:59:16am
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:59:16am

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 11:59:27am

I’ve been in a cranky mood since last Thursday. Found some sympathetic ears on Reddit, so I vent over there, instead of here.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:00:09pm

“All the dress shops are sold out in Washington. It’s hard to find a great dress for this inauguration.” — Donald Trump, NY Times 1/9/2016

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:01:41pm

re: #279 Kragar

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Oh, that. Just two good ole boys talking.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:01:42pm

re: #257 scottslemmons

True.

Hope this screws up the Green Party in the US.

Hopefully, Germany will get a lesson too. Their Green Party, or least some of its members, proposed this atrocity.

A German opposition lawmaker has been criticized for suggesting on Sunday that authorities could subsidize paid sex for patients requiring nursing care.

The Green Party’s spokeswoman on care policy, Elisabeth Scharfenberg, told Welt am Sonntag newspaper that she could imagine authorities “financing sexual assistance.”

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:02:12pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

BUT BUT WE CAN GET BEHIND W.’S “COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM”!!1!

‘Compassionate conservatism’ means they stick a bullet in you instead of working you to death.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:02:22pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

Make sure you watch yourself. It’s pretty obvious you have some anger issues at times. Make sure you don’t get too hooked up with people that feed that.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:02:57pm

re: #281 jaunte

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DT needs another press conference cough-rally-cough to distract.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:03:41pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

Was she evil??? Maybe a future “black widow” and the dog sensed it?

Good dog! /

she was evil

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:03:54pm

re: #286 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yegads. They’re stealing ideas from episodes of Puppets Who Kill.

Puppets Who Kill Season 2: Prostitutes for Jesus (with Emily Hampshire)

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:05:12pm

re: #279 Kragar

re: #281 jaunte

It’s as if Tillerson is deliberatly trying to lose this position — which, mind you, was handed to him on a silver platter and would have been a rubber stamp approval.

Pete Rose and the 1919 White Sox think this is ridiculous.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:05:40pm

re: #288 Belafon

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:06:05pm

re: #292 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Maybe he’s smart enough to have thought it through, and decided he doesn’t want it, and he also doesn’t want to refuse it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:06:44pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:07:52pm

This…
This is where we are…

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:09:18pm

re: #240 Kragar

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:09:48pm
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:10:21pm

re: #296 FormerDirtDart

This…
This is where we are…

Those types of stories aren’t all that different than before. Imagine the AP fact checking Adam’s claims that if Jefferson is elected, daughters will be raped in the streets.

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SpaceJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:11:06pm

Trump: “I gotta take a pissbreak.”

Kellyanne: “I don’t have to go right now.”

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SpaceJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:11:22pm

Sorry

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:11:47pm

re: #298 Kragar

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Because it’s just Buzzfeed, dumbass.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:11:55pm

Trump Staff Push Back On Anti-Vaxxer’s Claim He’ll Lead Panel On Issue

So, RFK Jr heard Trump offer him the Chair of a commission on vaccine safety, and now Trump’s staff is saying the whole idea of a commission was just something they talked about. Trump does this all the time - people think they’ve gotten a committment out of him for something, only to later find out ‘it was just something we discussed’.

This is why one of Trump’s law firms said they always sent TWO lawyers to any meeting with Trump, although they described it as ‘memory issues’.

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SpaceJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:12:27pm

I kinda checked out of politics after the election (there is now a little SpaceJesud), I assume everything is set for a smooth transition of power yes?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:13:05pm

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:13:19pm

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Birth Control Works  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:13:38pm

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:13:53pm

re: #298 Kragar

Brent Bozell is a fucking looney toon that deserves to be laughed at and mocked relentlessly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:13:59pm

re: #304 SpaceJesus

I kinda checked out of politics after the election (there is now a little SpaceJesud), I assume everything is set for a smooth transition of power yes?

It’s been TERRIFIC! HISTORIC! Smoothest transition EVER!

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:14:14pm

The Watergate building immolated itself with the irony coming from the Trump Tower.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:14:34pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

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He’s appointing Lieberman to the blue-ribbon committee to ban rap music.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:15:31pm

re: #304 SpaceJesus

I kinda checked out of politics after the election (there is now a little SpaceJesud), I assume everything is set for a smooth transition of power yes?

[Genuflects]

[kisses baby]

Yeah, if you listen to Obama and not Trump.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:16:07pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:17:39pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:18:21pm

re: #313 Kragar

This is kind of a big thing.

oh wait, he didn’t bow out of the Senate meeting though so he may not be getting cold feet, he’s just trying to dodge the House.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:20:12pm

Dilbert creator and Trump fanboy Scott Adams agrees with Trump’s calling the US Intellegence Agencies “Nazis.”
blog.dilbert.com

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:20:17pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:20:31pm

re: #316 DodgerFan1988

Dilbert was never funny.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:20:39pm

Well, this didn’t take long.

Uday (or is that Qusay?) only wishes he had abs that good
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:21:00pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ziggy

I never saw the post that initiated last week’s heated debate.

However, I did want to say that before the election, I was planning on joining this site just to support your concerns about polls. I thought that you were right and was disappointed in those who criticized your views. Am sorry that I did not join at that time.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:21:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:21:26pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:21:45pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

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What the fucking fuck? A private company is running interference for a future SecState during a confirmation hearing?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:22:47pm

re: #320 Hecuba’s daughter

The thing was, at best, I was right for the wrong reasons.

What was happening is that I was projecting my misery over everything. There was no logic or rationality. I deserve no credit.

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Lidane  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:24:11pm

Need more proof how badly we are fucked as a country? RICK PERRY is the only Trump nominee who is actually following the law right now:

Rick Perry as the model of ethics in a Trump Cabinet. We are well and truly hosed.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:24:26pm

re: #292 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s as if Tillerson is deliberatly trying to lose this position — which, mind you, was handed to him on a silver platter and would have been a rubber stamp approval.

Pete Rose and the 1919 White Sox think this is ridiculous.

Probably still will be rubber-stamped.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:24:46pm

re: #316 DodgerFan1988

Dilbert creator and Trump fanboy Scott Adams agrees with Trump’s calling the US Intellegence Agencies “Nazis.”
blog.dilbert.com

Glad I stopped reading his comic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:24:47pm

re: #313 Kragar

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another shoe drops…

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:25:23pm

re: #325 Lidane

Need more proof how badly we are fucked as a country? RICK PERRY is the only Trump nominee who is actually following the law right now:

Rick Perry as the model of ethics in a Trump Cabinet. We are well and truly hosed.

He is the only one that’s actually had government experience.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:26:42pm

re: #313 Kragar

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Eh, just canceling on the House Armed Services Committee. Apparently this is some times a courtesy to the House committee.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:27:41pm

re: #330 Sir John Barron

I’m wondering if he is finding that, to balance out Trump is impossible

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:27:52pm

re: #324 Ziggy_TARDIS

My training is in math and statistics; I was amazed at how many people placed all that credence in polls in this modern age, especially after the Michigan primary fiasco. So thought you were spot on.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:28:24pm

re: #331 FormerDirtDart

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Totally not lobbying. No way.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:30:29pm

re: #333 Hecuba’s daughter

But I had no rational backing to my thoughts.

It feels wrong for me to take any credit, because all I was doing was being a moody git.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:31:21pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:34:10pm
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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:35:02pm

re: #313 Kragar

This can’t be good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:36:26pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:36:52pm

re: #329 Belafon

Elizabeth Chao too. She’s the most qualified of any of Trump’s picks for the position nominated for. That’s beyond pathetic.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:39:10pm

re: #339 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:39:24pm

Just had a guy knock on the door. He’s selling Omaha steaks and other meat out of the back of his truck with the totally original (!) sales pitch “we have a few cases left in the truck.”
He went on to say “it’s cold and raining and we just want to head home.” (yes, it’s raining but it’s 52F).

I looked at him and said “boy, are you in the wrong holler…deer season just ended and all of our freezers are stuff to the gills with venison for the winter. You do realize that we hunt back here, right?” (Punctuated that last sentence with a very knowing stare.)

He beat a very hasty retreat.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:39:52pm

re: #275 Belafon

I think there may be one difference between Bush and Trump. Bush and Co knew not to kick them out, just bully them and promise them everything will be better. Trump and Co will kick them out, and the best thing that might happen to the press would be to stop being promised that things will be different tomorrow.

Bush and Co. established ‘free speech zones’ - corrals for protesters out of sight and out of audible distance from his appearances.

We’ll see those again in six months.

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blueraven  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:40:17pm

whoa…

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:42:44pm

re: #344 blueraven

This story officially has legs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:43:12pm

re: #313 Kragar

Mattis was one of the very few Trump nominations who seemed qualified and suitable for the position. It would be troubling if he drops out and is replaced by a Trump or Putin yes-man

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:43:20pm

re: #344 blueraven

whoa…

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What could go wrong?
(Blake Farhenthold + Intel reports + 3 Bud Lights….)

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Myron Falwell  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:45:15pm

re: #340 lawhawk

Elizabeth Chao too. She’s the most qualified of any of Trump’s picks for the position nominated for. That’s beyond pathetic.

If she deliberately botches her confirmation hearing, something’s up.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:45:15pm

re: #343 darthstar

The only “Free Speech Zones” the Trump Administration will establish for dissenters, reporters, and protesters will be prison.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:45:24pm

re: #346 Hecuba’s daughter

Mattis was one of the very few Trump nominations who seemed qualified and suitable for the position. It would be troubling if he drops out and is replaced by a Trump or Putin yes-man

I want him because I want a sane person between Trump and the military, and Trump seems to listen to him, but I don’t want him because I would prefer someone that Congress isn’t going to defer to.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:45:59pm

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Eh, just canceling on the House Armed Services Committee. Apparently this is some times a courtesy to the House committee.

He needs a waiver to be appointed, and he needs to meet with the House to get the waiver

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:46:06pm

re: #345 KGxvi

This story officially has legs.

Double centipede.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:46:17pm
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Franklin  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:46:17pm

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Well, to be fair. He also listed this guy:

(bad joke, RIP Alex Karras)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:47:14pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just had a guy knock on the door. He’s selling Omaha steaks and other meat out of the back of his truck with the totally original (!) sales pitch “we have a few cases left in the truck.”
He went on to say “it’s cold and raining and we just want to head home.” (yes, it’s raining but it’s 52F).

I looked at him and said “boy, are you in the wrong holler…deer season just ended and all of our freezers are stuff to the gills with venison for the winter. You do realize that we hunt back here, right?” (Punctuated that last sentence with a very knowing stare.)

He beat a very hasty retreat.

I love the sales pitch of the window people—

“We’re doing the windows for your neighbors and thought we’d just drop by to give you an estimate….”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:47:46pm

re: #351 Kragar

He needs a waiver to be appointed, and he needs to meet with the House to get the waiver

Oh.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:48:35pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:48:39pm

re: #348 Myron Falwell (no relation)

If she deliberately botches her confirmation hearing, something’s up.

“We were told there wouldn’t be any tough questions…”

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:48:40pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just had a guy knock on the door. He’s selling Omaha steaks and other meat out of the back of his truck with the totally original (!) sales pitch “we have a few cases left in the truck.”
He went on to say “it’s cold and raining and we just want to head home.” (yes, it’s raining but it’s 52F).

I looked at him and said “boy, are you in the wrong holler…deer season just ended and all of our freezers are stuff to the gills with venison for the winter. You do realize that we hunt back here, right?” (Punctuated that last sentence with a very knowing stare.)

He beat a very hasty retreat.

Was that before or after the banjos started playing?

///

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:51:25pm

Я с нетерпением жду, чтобы работать на товарища Путина и его марионетку Дональда Трампа.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:52:26pm

re: #359 TedStriker

Was that before or after the banjos started playing?

///

I did not have to threaten him with my banjo.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:52:28pm

I look forward to working for comrade Putin and his puppet Donald Trump.
YA s neterpeniyem zhdu, chtoby rabotat’ na tovarishcha Putina i yego marionetku Donal’da Trampa.

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scottslemmons  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:54:18pm

re: #360 шотландский дракона

Я с нетерпением жду, чтобы работать на товарища Путина и его марионетку Дональда Трампа.

Panty on Your Head

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:54:26pm

re: #322 Charles Johnson

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He’ll be found dead of a self-inflicted //gunshot wound at the edge some British country estate.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:55:32pm

re: #351 Kragar

He needs a waiver to be appointed, and he needs to meet with the House to get the waiver

Waivers are for Democrats and other losers.
/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:56:29pm

re: #364 Barefoot Grin

He’ll be found dead of a self-inflicted //gunshot wound at the edge some British country estate.

Dead of cocaine laced with rat poison (anybody here ever watch the original British House of Cards?)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:56:56pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:57:37pm

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dead of cocaine laced with rat poison (anybody here ever watch the original British House of Cards?)

That original series really fucked me up. Evil. And now, hey, we get to experience it vicariously!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:58:18pm

re: #368 Barefoot Grin

That original series really fucked me up. Evil. And now, hey, we get to experience it vicariously!

Their bad guy was much more badder than our Frank Underwood.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:58:25pm

This is kind of a big deal in Cincinnati. People have been trying to save the building for a very long time.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 12:58:52pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

I did not have to threaten him with my banjo.

Was it loaded?

/

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:00:11pm

re: #364 Barefoot Grin

He’ll be found dead of a self-inflicted //gunshot wound at the edge some British country estate.

No, a polonium pancake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:00:17pm

re: #371 TedStriker

Was it loaded?

/

always

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:00:30pm

In the category of we-can’t-do-things-like-we-used-to:

The group—named 314 Action after the first three digits of the number pi—has a mission to encourage politically engaged scientists to run for office at all levels of government, to connect them with traditional sources of campaign funding, and to get as many scientists elected during the 2018 campaign cycle as possible. The hope is that with more politician scientists speaking sense on issues such as climate change, they will serve as a counterbalance to the anti-science policies that have arisen mainly on the right.

“Running for Congress in 2014 as a chemist and a breast cancer researcher, I felt like I was locked out of a lot of the traditional networks of Democratic donors,” Shaughnessy Naughton, the board president of 314 Action, told me. “It’s a hindrance for people coming from nontraditional political backgrounds.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:01:52pm

OT, but I firmly believe OT is necessary for mental health. Hiding so those who disagree can skip it. (Weather and running related.)

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:02:41pm

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yup. Much better

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:03:01pm

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

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Just “providing information”. Not “offering opinions” or threatening to “withhold donations or donate to the office-holder’s opponents” if sanctions were left in place, which “we only offered information” on.

No, sir.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:06:32pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:06:58pm

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

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There is now no such thing as “lobbying”. There is only “providing information”.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:07:44pm

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Their bad guy was much more badder than our Frank Underwood.

That’s saying a lot, since Kevin Spacey does real good bad guys.

Of course, there’s many reasons with the best bad guys are British:

British Villains - 2015 One Show Automobile Advertising of the Year Finalist

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:07:49pm

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The man with the little hands can’t function without a cheering section.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:09:42pm

re: #380 TedStriker

That’s saying a lot, since Kevin Spacey does real good bad guys.

Of course, there’s many reasons with the best bad guys are British:

The American Frank Underwood is a good old boy made good…the British Francis Urquahrdt is a really evil aristocrat who even tells the King at one point “Our people put you in power, and we can remove you!”

That is eeeeee-bil

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:13:03pm

re: #381 Sir John Barron

The man with the little hands can’t function without a cheering section.

You know that he’s going to carry along his own cheering section along with him instead of the press on AF1 whenever he goes abroad.

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lizardofid  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:27:49pm

Afternoon all,

I was wondering if anyone knows of a website, existing or planned, where people affected by the republican attack on the ACA, will be able document their individual stories.

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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:29:54pm
Now, I have to say one other thing. Over the weekend, I was offered $2 billion to do a deal in Dubai with a very, very, very amazing man, a great, great developer from the Middle East, Hussein Damack, a friend of mine, great guy. And I was offered $2 billion to do a deal in Dubai—a number of deals and I turned it down.

Let me tell you about this bribe I turned down.

I didn’t have to turn it down, because as you know, I have a no-conflict situation because I’m president, which is—I didn’t know about that until about three months ago, but it’s a nice thing to have.

“…so help me God. Ka-ching, motherfckers!”

He then trotted out a lawyer named Sherri Dillon who summoned a cloudburst of legalese to explain why, darn it, he just can’t be expected to put his assets into a trust that is actually blind.

esquire.com

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:31:01pm

re: #383 TedStriker

You know that he’s going to carry along his own cheering section along with him instead of the press on AF1 whenever he goes abroad.

The Word of the Day for today is claque.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:31:31pm
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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:35:11pm

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m surprised Team Trump hasn’t yet demanded journalists surrender their notes before being allowed to leave, but, after the 20th, it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:36:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:36:13pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:36:20pm

re: #388 TedStriker

I’m surprised Team Trump hasn’t yet demanded journalists surrender their notes before being allowed to leave, but, after the 20th it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Team Trump will provide them with their notes so there will be no need for reporters to ever attend another Trump “press conference”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:37:20pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:38:27pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well if DT’s voters don’t care, maybe accurate.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:38:51pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:40:27pm

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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They can read?

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:42:45pm
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:45:45pm

re: #396 Kragar

Who are you going to trust, an ethics officer, or a lawyer that works for a Russian law firm?

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:46:34pm

re: #396 Kragar

What does it matter, because Trump’s just going the ignore it come the 20th.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:48:52pm

Note to any and all journolists, and hell, every citizen:
When talking to anyone connected with the Trump administration, do not rely on written notes, record everything…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:49:50pm

re: #399 FormerDirtDart

Note to any and all journolists, and hell, every citizen:
When talking to anyone connected with the Trump administration, do not rely on written notes, record everything…

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He’s such a pathetic liar.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:49:50pm

re: #399 FormerDirtDart

Note to any and all journolists, and hell, every citizen:
When talking to anyone connected with the Trump administration, do not rely on written notes, record everything…

Google glass, if they’re still doing it, should be standard for reporters.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:51:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:51:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:52:35pm

re: #403 Charles Johnson

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Definitely a bit of ‘Yeah, what about what Jim’s asking?’ was called for.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:55:47pm

Hump Day Sanity Break…

WATCH: The @OregonZoo was closed to the public today due to heavy snow — but the zoo’s residents had a blast.


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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:56:32pm

re: #344 blueraven

whoa…

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… and the amount of time between when the report is released to the ENTIRE House, and the moment that it is then leaked to the press?

Measured in micro-seconds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:57:51pm

.@CoryBooker after Sessions hearing: “Do not be silent on matters of principle…Everybody should be speaking up.”

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:58:00pm

re: #406 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

… and the amount of time between when the report is released to the ENTIRE House, and the moment that it is then leaked to the press?

Measured in micro-seconds.

I’m guessing as long as it takes for a staffer to do a Ctrl+F for the Representative’s name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:59:41pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2017 • 1:59:47pm

re: #402 Kragar

Mine might have to be just Miles Davis “Kind of Blue” to keep myself a little bit calmer. I don’t want my blood pressure hitting 400/300.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:01:47pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:03:50pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Only 99 out of 100 scientists say it’s caused by man, so, yeah, not conclusive.”

/

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:05:36pm

Trump’s blind trust has 20/20 vision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:05:37pm
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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:07:49pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:08:40pm

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tuxes are not softly sensual.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:08:55pm

re: #415 Jenner7

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Blah.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:13:01pm

Russian Parliament looks to be legalizing Domestic Violence.

I am going to be using this as a cudgel against Republicans. After all, they want to buddy up with Russia, they get the fleas too. Though Sessions is against the VAWA, so we already know he likes Domestic Violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:13:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:16:16pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:17:01pm

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Welcome to TrumpWorld.

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:19:36pm

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Doncha know, billionaire men of the people and his cohorts all have their own tuxes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:21:24pm

re: #384 lizardofid

Afternoon all,

I was wondering if anyone knows of a website, existing or planned, where people affected by the republican attack on the ACA, will be able document their individual stories.

Not yet. Won’t be long though. Only a matter of time before the Republicans and Trump will actually do something.

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austin_blue  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:21:31pm

re: #310 lawhawk

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The Watergate building immolated itself with the irony coming from the Trump Tower.

Looks like the Watergate Hotel could use some Russian hookers.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:22:57pm

re: #424 austin_blue

Looks like the Watergate Hotel could use some Russian hookers.

Subtle where some subtlety is sorely needed.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:24:25pm

Under the general category of: “Come back 2016! We miss you already! Upon reflection, you really weren’t that bad!”

… comes this:

Yep. AJ Benza, the gossip columnist, went on the Howard Stern show in 2001, and talked about Trump’s crazy secret Russian sex life.

Fuck.

Us.

All.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:27:15pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is kind of a big deal in Cincinnati. People have been trying to save the building for a very long time.

The Godfather of Soul needs his home saved for soul posterity.

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baileylamb  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:31:20pm

re: #415 Jenner7

Oh okay the democrats “are useless” brigade. Where did that get us? Oh it got us Rex Tillerson.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:33:04pm

re: #428 baileylamb

Oh okay the democrats “are useless” brigade. Where did that get us? Oh it got us Rex Tillerson.

Yep

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:34:55pm

I did hear Booker on NPR. It was a pretty fair denomunication of Sessions. Pretty patheic for Cotton, he of the Iran letter to bitch about Booker testifying against Sessions.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:35:02pm

re: #426 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Under the general category of: “Come back 2016! We miss you already! Upon reflection, you really weren’t that bad!”

… comes this:

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Yep. AJ Benza, the gossip columnist, went on the Howard Stern show in 2001, and talked about Trump’s crazy secret Russian sex life.

Fuck.

Us.

All.

Ok, I am laughing so hard I’m crying.

Seriously.

Nothing dies on the internet. Absolutely nothing.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:37:10pm

re: #428 baileylamb

Oh okay the democrats “are useless” brigade. Where did that get us? Oh it got us Rex Tillerson.

I can’t get too worked up by this polite white lie from Booker about “looking forward to working with” Tillerson. On a 1-10 scale of problems facing the Democrats and the US, it’s about a -437.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:38:20pm
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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:38:31pm

re: #428 baileylamb

I voted for Hillary Clinton. So, no, I didn’t give us Rex Tillerson.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:39:16pm
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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:40:22pm

I’m tired of the “I look forward to working with you” even though they are completely incompetent for the job.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:41:01pm

re: #423 GlutenFreeJesus

Not yet. Won’t be long though. Only a matter of time before the Republicans and Trump will actually do something.

My congressman, Seth Moulton, is retweeting everyone who has an ACA story.

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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:41:28pm

“I look forward to working with you on disenfranchising PoC voters.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:41:57pm

re: #437 Sherlock Hound

My congressman, Seth Moulton, is retweeting everyone who has an ACA story.

He’s one to watch imo. I saw that he hosted a refugee and he’s a young vet too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:43:11pm

re: #436 Jenner7

I’m tired of the “I look forward to working with you” even though they are completely incompetent for the job.

Well, goodness knows Booker’s been doing absolutely nothing to stop any of the nominees, so he’s absolutely the person to target for this.

/////

Seriously saving my emotional energy for things I consider more significant. Your mileage is absolutely allowed to vary.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:45:00pm

re: #436 Jenner7

I’m tired of the “I look forward to working with you” even though they are completely incompetent for the job.

That’s Legislatese for “Bless your heart”.

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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:45:32pm

Alright. I’ll go vent somewhere else.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:46:13pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:46:27pm

re: #441 Decatur Deb

That’s Legislatese for “Bless your heart”.

Yeah. It could mean I look forward to knifing you politically every damn chance I get.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:47:14pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

He’s one to watch imo. I saw that he hosted a refugee and he’s a young vet too.

Absolutely! We love the guy!

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:47:42pm

re: #442 Jenner7

Alright. I’ll go vent somewhere else.

No! You can vent here. Everyone vents or deals in their own way.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:48:04pm
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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:49:18pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:51:01pm

Apparently, the confirmation Room where Sessions is being grilled was first used for the Titanic Investigation.

They actually got some good reforms out of the investigation, though it did lead to Port of Convenience being a thing.

Though, in the Case of Cunard (Which still exists), they did port of Convenience thing from the UK to Bermuda to allow on board weddings, which for some odd reason is not allowed with the Main UK. (?!?!)

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:51:16pm
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VegasGolfer  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:52:13pm

re: #426 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Under the general category of: “Come back 2016! We miss you already! Upon reflection, you really weren’t that bad!”

… comes this:

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Yep. AJ Benza, the gossip columnist, went on the Howard Stern show in 2001, and talked about Trump’s crazy secret Russian sex life.

Fuck.

of course there is tons of info on trump. but no one has the balls to oppose and expose him.
Us.

All.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:52:17pm

Chuck Todd is lecturing BuzzFeed Ben Smith on the Journalisms

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:53:02pm

re: #452 Dave In Austin

Chuck Todd wouldn’t know Journalism if it bit him in the ass.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:54:09pm

re: #438 Jenner7

“I look forward to working with you on disenfranchising PoC voters.”

Disenfranchising PoC voters is Sessions’ job. Tillerson’s job is baking in a 10C near term global temperature increase.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:55:47pm

re: #454 EPR-radar

Disenfranchising PoC voters is Sessions’ job. Tillerson’s job is baking in a 10C near term global temperature increase.

“Can’t tell your dipshits without a program.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:56:24pm

re: #449 Ziggy_TARDIS

As a post-script of actual over-regulation, the UK finally started allowing marriages on British Flagged ships in 2012.

1 year after Cunard registries went from Southhampton to Hamilton.

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scottslemmons  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:56:57pm

re: #452 Dave In Austin

Chuck Todd is lecturing BuzzFeed Ben Smith on the Journalisms

Good, I’ve been looking for more excuses to tweet “But her emails” and ridiculous gifs at smarmy pundits.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 2:59:25pm

re: #442 Jenner7

If I came across as overly harsh, I apologize. (I know you’re not logged in to see this right now, but hopefully you will see it when you come back.)

I get that this is a shitty situation and we’re all stressing about it. Most of us do only have a finite capacity for processing it. We can multi-task and multi-outrage but there’s a point where you have to make decisions on what matters, specifically, and where you need to conserve. We’re all going to hit that point at different times. I’ve currently hit mine.

Also, Democrats have a fine tradition of eating their own because they’re not pure enough. Like being pragmatic realists instead of the hard ideological line people want them to cling to. I know you’re aware of that, because you’ve dealt with the BernieBros. But there are subtler forms.

In terms of actions versus words, Booker sat and testified against a nominee today. Going back to my limited capacity for processing outrage, I can’t justify spending some of it on a throw-away sentence.

I hope we can all take a deep breath and dig in for the fight ahead - which should be focused on the GOP, not taking out the knees of our own side.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:00:25pm

re: #452 Dave In Austin

Chuck Todd is lecturing BuzzFeed Ben Smith on the Journalisms

Don’t worry Greta and Megyn will set him straight.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:00:42pm

re: #458 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If I came across as overly harsh, I apologize. (I know you’re not logged in to see this right now, but hopefully you will see it when you come back.)

I get that this is a shitty situation and we’re all stressing about it. Most of us do only have a finite capacity for processing it. We can multi-task and multi-outrage but there’s a point where you have to make decisions on what matters, specifically, and where you need to conserve. We’re all going to hit that point at different times. I’ve currently hit mine.

Also, Democrats have a fine tradition of eating their own because they’re not pure enough. Like being pragmatic realists instead of the hard ideological line people want them to cling to. I know you’re aware of that, because you’ve dealt with the BernieBros. But there are subtler forms.

In terms of actions versus words, Booker sat and testified against a nominee today. Going back to my limited capacity for processing outrage, I can’t justify spending some of it on a throw-away sentence.

I hope we can all take a deep breath and dig in for the fight ahead - which should be focused on the GOP, not taking out the knees of our own side.

Bernie said it’s too soon to rule out running again.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:01:11pm

Louie Gohmert has graduated from being the stupidest man in Congress to openly intimidating journalists who attempt to cover protestors.

Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert accused of blocking journalist from photographing protesters

WASHINGTON — A photojournalist says Tyler Rep. Louie Gohmert tried to block him from taking photos of protesters during attorney general nominee Jeff Sessions’ confirmation hearings this week.
Photographer Jim Lo Scalzo was busy snapping pictures of protesters being escorted out of the hearing room Tuesday when, he said, Gohmert attempted to stand between his camera and the action.
“When I asked him, ‘Are you seriously blocking me from making these pictures of these protesters?’ he said, ‘Yes,’ ” said Lo Scalzo, who works for the European Pressphoto Agency. “He said, ‘The story is not there,’ and then he pointed to Sessions and said, ‘The story is over there.’ “
[…]
Appearing in an interview with C-SPAN following the hearing on Tuesday, Gohmert called for the photographers in question to be ousted along with the protesters.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:02:10pm

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Bernie said it’s too soon to rule out running again.

I’m not drinking again until Sunday.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:05:16pm

re: #462 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m not drinking again until Sunday.

Friends in Italy, disgusted at their kleptocratic government, tried never to be quite drunk nor quite sober. Might be a workable strategy.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:05:50pm

re: #463 Decatur Deb

Friends in Italy, disgusted at their kleptocratic government, tried never to be quite drunk nor quite sober. Might be a workable strategy.

It’s more because of the half marathon on Sunday.

I intended to be happily tipsy Sunday evening.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:07:22pm

re: #464 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s more because of the half marathon on Sunday.

I intended to be happily tipsy Sunday evening.

Requires dedicated training. So does distance running.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:08:09pm

re: #426 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Argh. Video won’t play for me. Anybody willing to summarize?

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:08:10pm

re: #458 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If I came across as overly harsh, I apologize. (I know you’re not logged in to see this right now, but hopefully you will see it when you come back.)

I get that this is a shitty situation and we’re all stressing about it. Most of us do only have a finite capacity for processing it. We can multi-task and multi-outrage but there’s a point where you have to make decisions on what matters, specifically, and where you need to conserve. We’re all going to hit that point at different times. I’ve currently hit mine.

Also, Democrats have a fine tradition of eating their own because they’re not pure enough. Like being pragmatic realists instead of the hard ideological line people want them to cling to. I know you’re aware of that, because you’ve dealt with the BernieBros. But there are subtler forms.

In terms of actions versus words, Booker sat and testified against a nominee today. Going back to my limited capacity for processing outrage, I can’t justify spending some of it on a throw-away sentence.

I hope we can all take a deep breath and dig in for the fight ahead - which should be focused on the GOP, not taking out the knees of our own side.

Yep, we need every warm body that we can get to resist The Trump…even Bernie, as much as he can be frustrating.

We all need to take our real frustrations out in emails, letters, tweets, demonstrations, etc. Politicians all want to keep their jobs…the voting public still controls that to a large degree.

I always try to remember the old saw “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.”

That works for conservatives because they bitch and cry like no one. They form groups like the Tea Party, they show up at town halls and make a stink.

We all need to do that, but we need to do it with information and reason because most of the times the conservative loud mouths don’t have anything but a loud mouth.

We need mouths with brains and some class behind them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:08:48pm

re: #461 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Louie Gohmert has graduated from being the stupidest man in Congress to openly intimidating journalists who attempt to cover protestors.

Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert accused of blocking journalist from photographing protesters

Louie, Louie.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:09:21pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:09:28pm

re: #458 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s worth considering the alternative. Assuming Booker felt that working with Tillerson was as desirable as contracting a painful, incurable and loathsome disease, what tangible good would come of saying so at that time and place?

Especially since the media and public at large still have this incredible double standard where Republicans are rewarded for being assholes and Democrats are punished.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:11:17pm

re: #469 Stanley Sea

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Can’t say I’m surprised. i don’t feel the left is immune from that type of behavior but the alt right is in the business of ratfuckery.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:12:03pm

re: #470 EPR-radar

It’s worth considering the alternative. Assuming Booker felt that working with Tillerson was as desirable as contracting a painful, incurable and loathsome disease, what tangible good would come of saying so at that time and place?

Especially since the media and public at large still have this incredible double standard where Republicans are rewarded for being assholes and Democrats are punished.

I see it as DD described it, a sort of bless your heart moment. Can’t get too mad at Booker since he broke protocol big time to testify against Sessions today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:12:47pm

re: #463 Decatur Deb

Friends in Italy, disgusted at their kleptocratic government, tried never to be quite drunk nor quite sober. Might be a workable strategy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:13:35pm

Sorry, that’s Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the third.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:13:39pm

re: #473 Blind Frog Belly White

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Regret but one upding for Colonel Tigh.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:13:56pm

re: #469 Stanley Sea

I think we called that here.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:13:59pm

re: #466 Jebediah, RBG

Argh. Video won’t play for me. Anybody willing to summarize?

Did you try a refresh of the individual post. I’ve noticed that for some reason Chrome seems to need a quick refresh of many video posts here. I sometimes need to do it with Charles’ main page videos too. I am not sure if it is a chrome thing or what, but it is what I use as a browser. I discovered that many months ago. Seems to work most of the time.

Just in case, that is done by clicking on the circular arrow at the top right of a comment where when you hover over it says “refresh comment.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:14:18pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

I see it as DD described it, a sort of bless your heart moment. Can’t get too mad at Booker since he broke protocol big time to testify against Sessions today.

The GOP broke protocol by refusing to consider Garland with even hearings or a vote. There’s nothing Democrats can do now that would approach that level of absolute disregard for process.

And Booker’s testimony was absolutely warranted, even if Sessions will get rubber stamp approval from his fellow GOPers who don’t think there’s anything wrong with racism and ignoring discrimination against minorities.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:16:24pm

re: #40 BlueGrl21

So, this is me. I am an incurable optimist.

The fact is, people BELIEVE everything in these memos is not only plausible, but likely. His credibility, because he has defended Russia both prior to and during this “press conference” is shot. His ability to lead the American people, to gain our trust and support and respect, is gone. He’s done.

If you don’t believe the Republicans in Congress don’t realize that and are going to bail on supporting him….I mean, “golden showers” has been introduced into our lexicon. i found myself carefully explaining it to my 11 year-old last night. Awesome.

They are going to turn on him now. As Keith O. said, if he would stop defending Russia he might have a chance, but every time he does he adds fuel to the accusations. I’ve read every word of those memos. Russia threatened to blackmail him with more material. He’s got no legs to stand on.

And his debt, according to the memos, is with CHINA. Attacking them makes sense.

So, this is the pivot point. it will all snowball. Rubio is breaking with Trump as I type. McCain and Graham already have. Republicans are breaking with him on ACA repeal. He’s pissed off the intelligence community.

It’s falling apart.

The only way it will “fall apart” is if Trump is physically stopped, and that probably means “wet work” by our intelligence agencies. Republicans have made it clear that they’ve sold their souls to this guy, and will never impeach him or restrain him. Democrats just don’t have the power.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:16:25pm

re: #478 lawhawk

The GOP broke protocol by refusing to consider Garland with even hearings or a vote. There’s nothing Democrats can do now that would approach that level of absolute disregard for process.

And Booker’s testimony was absolutely warranted, even if Sessions will get rubber stamp approval from his fellow GOPers who don’t think there’s anything wrong with racism and ignoring discrimination against minorities.

I was listening to Booker on NPR on the way home from work. Cotton of all people complained about it being too political. Booker and Lewis’s testimony was needed big time. Sessions may be a pleasant guy to be around as many of them have said but there’s a lot of pleasant people who shouldn’t be AG.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:17:17pm

re: #475 Timothy Watson

Regret but one upding for Colonel Tigh.

Great Grandpa was a power sander.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:25:00pm

re: #477 ObserverArt

that worked - thanks!

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:27:07pm
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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:28:28pm

re: #483 jaunte

Many are saying they’re far better than actual Bruce Springsteen. You’re going to be so happy. It will be very classy.

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) January 11, 2017

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:28:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:29:15pm

re: #483 jaunte

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:29:23pm

So long, Marcello Sebastiano.

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Scout  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:29:51pm

I know with all the horrible things surrounding Trump, this is very low on the priority list among you folks and all of America, but this snippet from the press conference transcript angers me deeply.

Trump “answering” a question on Russia interfering with the election:

“But Russia and other countries — and other countries, including China, which has taken total advantage of us economically, totally advantage of us in the South China Sea by building their massive fortress, total. Russia, China, Japan, Mexico, all countries will respect us far more, far more than they do under past administrations.”

Why in the world does he want to make Japan out to be a villain? It really worries the heck out me.

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lizardofid  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:29:54pm

re: #483 jaunte

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An obscure tribute band’s very own “crossroads” moment.

heh

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:31:47pm

re: #489 lizardofid

PUPPET SHOW
SPINAL TAP
TRUMP INAUGURATION

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:34:05pm

re: #483 jaunte

I was hoping he’d have to resort to the Tenth Avenue Freak Outs - a B Street Band cover band.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:34:54pm

re: #490 jaunte

PUPPET SHOW
SPINAL TAP
TRUMP INAUGURATION

Puppetry of the Penis, I hope…those guys are great!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:35:17pm

re: #489 lizardofid

An obscure tribute band’s very own “crossroads” moment.

heh

Doing Born In The USSR for a mystery request.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:35:51pm

re: #488 Scout

I know with all the horrible things surrounding Trump, this is very low on the priority list among you folks and all of America, but this snippet from the press conference transcript angers me deeply.

Trump “answering” a question on Russia interfering with the election:

“But Russia and other countries — and other countries, including China, which has taken total advantage of us economically, totally advantage of us in the South China Sea by building their massive fortress, total. Russia, China, Japan, Mexico, all countries will respect us far more, far more than they do under past administrations.”

Why in the world does he want to make Japan out to be a villain? It really worries the heck out me.

Most likely political “red meat” for the elder Trump supporters that probably still believe Japan makes “junk” and sells it in America.

There are still people around that believe that and some may even pass it down through their family and friends.

Add in still lingering WW2 feelings and Japan is still an enemy to many.

Trump most likely believes that himself and figures others buy it.

I know we have a serious problem with this fool having his hand on the controls, but you can’t take anything he says serious itself.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:37:30pm

IANAL, but cover/tribute bands don’t operate under Fair Use policies, since they get paid for their performances, correct? Bruce could deny them the right to use his music in such a performance if he chose to, couldn’t he?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:38:19pm

re: #491 darthstar

Are they the Freak Outs instead of the Freeze Outs to avoid a copyright issue, or because copies of copies are always a little blurrier? (Or do they do a psychedelic version of B Street’s version of Springsteen?)

Sort of related - a friend in high school had a Bruce Springsteen button that he wore on his jacket. I pointed at it and laughed at “Bruce Stringbean” - he didn’t believe me and had to take a closer look at his button and saw it really did say Stringbean.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:39:22pm

re: #496 Jebediah, RBG

Are they the Freak Outs instead of the Freeze Outs to avoid a copyright issue, or because copies of copies are always a little blurrier? (Or do they do a psychedelic version of B Street’s version of Springsteen?)

Sort of related - a friend in high school had a Bruce Springsteen button that he wore on his jacket. I pointed at it and laughed at “Bruce Stringbean” - he didn’t believe me and had to take a closer look at his button and saw it really did say Stringbean.

LMAO

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:40:02pm

[…]

They joined Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and other senators from states that expanded Medicaid for their residents under the ACA in offering the amendment, which will be voted on as part of the so-called “vote-a-rama” tonight as the Senate debates budget measures as part of the effort to dismantle the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The amendment would prevent the Senate from advancing any legislation that increases the overall number of uninsured, decreases enrollment in Medicaid in expansion states, or leads to any increase in state spending on Medicaid.

[…]

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:40:25pm

re: #490 jaunte

PUPPET SHOW
SPINAL TAP
TRUMP INAUGURATION

“You are witnesess at the new birth of Spinal TapAmerica Mark II, hope you enjoy our new direction…”

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:40:44pm

re: #495 Whack-A-Mole

Cover/tribute bands don’t operate under Fair Use policies, since they get paid for their performances. Bruce could deny them the right to use his music in such a performance if he chose to, couldn’t he?

Excellent point. I like the idea of an arts embargo vs. Trump and the rest of his barbarians. What makes it completely perfect is that Republicans have this owner = God ideology that leaves them with no reasonable way to argue against Springsteen shutting this down.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:41:10pm
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electrotek  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:41:11pm

re: #494 ObserverArt

Most likely political “red meat” for the elder Trump supporters that probably still believe Japan makes “junk” and sells it in America.

There are still people around that believe that and some may even pass it down through their family and friends.

Add in still lingering WW2 feelings and Japan is still an enemy to many.

Trump most likely believes that himself and figures others buy it.

I know we have a serious problem with this fool having his hand on the controls, but you can’t take anything he says serious itself.

Don’t forget those who are still stuck in the 80s when anti-Japanese sentiment was high. Anyone remember Vincent Chin?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:41:21pm

re: #495 Whack-A-Mole

IANAL, but cover/tribute bands don’t operate under Fair Use policies, since they get paid for their performances, correct? Bruce could deny them the right to use his music in such a performance if he chose to, couldn’t he?

I’m assuming Makeitstop knows these guys.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:43:31pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:44:27pm

re: #504 jaunte

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:45:13pm

re: #501 darthstar

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“Murph and the Magictones”

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:46:51pm

Holy shit…Marco Rubio showed up for work.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:49:26pm

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

“Murph and the Magictones”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:49:32pm

re: #507 darthstar

Holy shit…Marco Rubio showed up for work.

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“Dese tings happen. Dat’s where we come in. Dis is a nice little superpower youse got here. Be a shame if sumpin was ta happen to it.”

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:53:23pm

[…]

“One by one, they fork over fistfuls of cash to Sonia Garcia, who reaches into the trunk of her car and hands over the trafficked goods,” she continues.

But hold on. Linthicum isn’t talking about drugs or guns. The goods here are Krispy Kremes. Sugary, glazed doughnuts.

On any given night in Juarez, you can find Sonia Garcia and her son selling doughnuts out of the trunk of their car. They make daily cross-border trips from Juarez to the Krispy Kreme store in El Paso, where they buy 40 dozen or so assorted doughnuts, which they sell to their Juarez customers at a modest markup. It’s a family affair, so they’ve been affectionately nicknamed the “Krispy Kreme Familia.”

[…]

I also heard that the good US homegrown weed is crossing the border southerly. There’s a market for it that just isn’t satisfied with their own.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:55:22pm

Night Lizards. Going to crawl under my rock and vegetate. As always, may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours. Sleep well.

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Jack Burton  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:57:49pm

Someone *really* needs to find a way to loudly play that calliope version of the Imperial Death March that Bob Cesca plays on his show at some appropriate point during the inauguration.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:58:55pm

Rep. John Rutherford, formerly the Jacksonville Sheriff. He got elected in the district right next door to mine. Had a tough primary, targeted for being “to liberal” and was soft on “illegal aliens” making JAX a “sanctuary city”

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Skip Intro  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:59:30pm

re: #512 Jack Burton

If this isn’t played I’ll be beyond disappointed.

2001 A Space Odyssey Fail

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Jack Burton  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:59:56pm

Although, I’m starting to think we need a calliope version of the Russian national anthem instead.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2017 • 3:59:58pm

re: #458 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Apropos: hecatedemeter.wordpress.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:01:08pm

re: #514 Skip Intro

I am expecting more lights, lasers and fog machines than have ever before graced an inaugural stage.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:01:56pm

re: #515 Jack Burton

You could always book Nikolai Volkoff for a performance.

bookprowrestlers.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:03:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:04:34pm

re: #517 Eclectic Cyborg

I am expecting more lights, lasers and fog machines than have ever before graced an inaugural stage.

and lots of drapes and bunting.

LOTS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:04:42pm

re: #516 retired cynic

Apropos: hecatedemeter.wordpress.com

I need to remember to channel Obama more. I know my faults, of which there are many, but one of the things I admired so much about him was his ability to keep a handle on his sarcasm. The man’s got enough command of the English language - and we’ve seen hints that he’s more than capable of it - but he knows that sometimes it does a lot more harm than it does any good.

I need to do better at that.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:06:08pm

re: #521 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He is such a role model in so many ways. As is Michelle. I admire them so much.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:07:19pm

re: #503 Stanley Sea

I’m assuming Makeitstop knows these guys.

The guy with the long hair in the middle looks kinda familiar, but I think they’re Jersey guys (I’m on the other side of the bridge). I may have run into that one guy at a gig somewhere.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:08:27pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

and lots of drapes and bunting.

LOTS

Sounds like the nice words for robes and pointy hoods.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:18:09pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

and lots of drapes and bunting.

LOTS

Screw bunting. Swing for the fences!
////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:18:54pm

Totally OT but I’m rather chuffed today.
I just finished reading “In Praise of Bees” by Kristen Gleeson. It’s set in 6th Century Ireland and includes a lot of Gaelic Irish.
I’m chuffed because, while I am nowhere fluent in the language yet, I only had to look up a handful of words that I didn’t recognize.

Yay me!

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:20:22pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

and lots of drapes and bunting.

LOTS

And many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many flags.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:21:09pm

re: #527 makeitstop

And many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many flags.

Hey, Trump’s got to blow his nose on something.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:23:34pm

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

Totally OT but I’m rather chuffed today.
I just finished reading “In Praise of Bees” by Kristen Gleeson. It’s set in 6th Century Ireland and includes a lot of Gaelic Irish.
I’m chuffed because, while I am nowhere fluent in the language yet, I only had to look up a handful of words that I didn’t recognize.

Yay me!

I know nothing, but I love historic novels, and I just picked it up for 99 cents on Nook.

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unproven innocence  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:24:04pm

re: #461 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Louie Gohmert has graduated from being the stupidest man in Congress to openly intimidating journalists who attempt to cover protestors.

Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert accused of blocking journalist from photographing protesters

[GOP] First Amendment, free press, informed electorate —who needs that crap? [/GOP]

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scottslemmons  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:24:23pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

and lots of drapes and bunting.

LOTS

Mirrors will make the crowd look bigger.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:25:31pm

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

“Murph and the Magictones”

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As Donald “Duck” Dunn said in the movie about the Blues Brothers Band (of which “Murph and the Magictones” was a part of, before Jake got sent to prison before the start of the film), they had “a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline”.

I don’t know how good the “B Street Band” is, but I doubt they’d be in the same category.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:29:32pm

re: #529 retired cynic

I know nothing, but I love historic novels, and I just picked it up for 99 cents on Nook.

There’s a glossary at the end of the book.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:30:09pm

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s a glossary at the end of the book.

It sounds good. Thank you!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:32:19pm

re: #531 scottslemmons

Mirrors will make the crowd look bigger.

it would be better with funhouse mirrors!

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stpaulbear  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:32:54pm

re: #493 Decatur Deb

Doing Born In The USSR for a mystery request.

Born To Rut.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:36:05pm

re: #502 electrotek

Don’t forget those who are still stuck in the 80s when anti-Japanese sentiment was high. Anyone remember Vincent Chin?

Chinese man beaten to death with a baseball bat by “economically anxious” white men.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:37:33pm

re: #537 stpaulbear

Born To Rut.

Drenching In The Dark

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:46:25pm

of course he does…

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Jack Burton  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:48:23pm

Peter Thiel: “Confirm. I’d be fine with that. I think it would be good for Russia, good for Putin.”

Fixed that.

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allegro  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:49:20pm

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course he does…

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Even funnier… he thinks Trump will be president in 4 years. I remain less convinced by the day he’ll make it through 1/20/17.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:52:47pm

re: #542 allegro

The reason I have been paying attention to politics less is, the more I see and the more Trump supporters I see being just evil on the internet, the more my anger grows, and metastasizes. And then I want to lash out and take it out on the nearest Republicans, and the want to see Republicans punished.

So, I have been backing of a lot, because it is bringing up so harsh and vicious stuff in me.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:54:01pm

re: #542 allegro

Even funnier… he thinks Trump will be president in 4 years. I remain less convinced by the day he’ll make it through 1/20/17.

This from someone who knows enough to always switch the choice in the Monty Hall problem. Disappointing.

But there is one good piece of news here. Thiel would apparently not take any position in the Trump administration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:55:36pm

re: #529 retired cynic

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CleverToad  Jan 11, 2017 • 4:56:07pm

Seen on Facebook, where the fun keeps flowing (friend of a friend so won’t attribute by name):
“Oh, so he’s another Goldwater Republican?”

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austin_blue  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:04:04pm

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

Totally OT but I’m rather chuffed today.

I just finished reading “In Praise of Bees” by Kristen Gleeson. It’s set in 6th Century Ireland and includes a lot of Gaelic Irish.

I’m chuffed because, while I am nowhere fluent in the language yet, I only had to look up a handful of words that I didn’t recognize.

Yay me!

The Patron Saint of my Da’s ancestral home (on his mom’s side [Murphy]) is Ballyvourney where Saint Gobnait loosed hives of bees to drive off cattle rustlers.

saintspreserved.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:05:50pm

re: #547 austin_blue

The Patron Saint of my Da’s ancestral home (on his mom’s side [Murphy]) is Ballyvourney where Saint Gobnait loosed hives of bees to drive off cattle rustlers.

saintspreserved.com

That very scene in in the novel!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:06:31pm

re: #502 electrotek

Don’t forget those who are still stuck in the 80s when anti-Japanese sentiment was high. Anyone remember Vincent Chin?

Murdered by disgruntled laid-off auto workers who thought he was Japanese after he left a bar in the early ’80s. Just about the time congressmen were smashing cars and Panasonic Boomboxes outside the capitol building to show disgust at supposed dumping (some wasn’t supposed).

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CleverToad  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:07:13pm

re: #543 Ziggy_TARDIS

The reason I have been paying attention to politics less is, the more I see and the more Trump supporters I see being just evil on the internet, the more my anger grows, and metastasizes. And then I want to lash out and take it out on the nearest Republicans, and the want to see Republicans punished.

So, I have been backing of a lot, because it is bringing up so harsh and vicious stuff in me.

Keep backing, as far as you need to. Take care, take deep breaths, and focus on something in your life that helps you find respite. Lashing out won’t help the cause of the angels and you recognize how much it hurts you. As has been aptly said, this is a marathon, not a sprint — it’s wise to pace yourself accordingly.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:11:42pm

Meh, more like the C- Street Band.

Bruce Springsteen’s ‘Rosalita’ Performed by the BStreet Band

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2017 • 5:13:14pm

re: #550 CleverToad

The biggest issue is that is has combined with lingering resentment from the Norway attacks, into completely dehumanizing Republicans and Conservatives in general, and a want for revenge.

They do need to be fixed. Period. But that is how I can get so aggressive with them now.


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