UK Intelligence Officials Vouch for Credibility of Trump “Golden Showers” Dossier

“Not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip”
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Donald Trump compared it to Nazi propaganda, and called it “fake news,” but the Guardian reports today that UK intelligence officials are coming forward to vouch for the credibility of Christopher Steele, author of the now-infamous Trump “Golden Showers” dossier.

At his press briefing on Wednesday, the president-elect dared the world’s media to scrutinise the 35 pages of claims, before throwing down a challenge – where’s the proof? Nobody had any. Case closed.

But in the rush to trample all over the dossier and its contents, one key question remained. Why had America’s intelligence agencies felt it necessary to provide a compendium of the claims to Barack Obama and Trump himself?

And the answer to that lies in the credibility of its apparent author, the ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele the quality of the sources he has and the quality of the people prepared to vouch for him.

On Thursday night, as the former spy was in hiding, having fled his home in the south-east of England, former colleagues rallied to defend him. One described him as “very credible” – a sober, cautious and meticulous professional with a formidable record.

The former Foreign Office official who has known Steele for 25 years and considers him a friend said: “The idea his work is fake or a cowboy operation is false, completely untrue. Chris is an experienced and highly regarded professional. He’s not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:06:27pm

It does rain a lot in the UK.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:07:35pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:13:24pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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I’m increasingly feeling compelled to find my religion again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:13:29pm
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S'latch  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:23:57pm

Trump’s statement that the release of this report is somehow like Nazi propaganda is an extremely odd statement.

It suggests that Trump sees himself as persecuted like the Jews of Nazi Germany. It makes me wonder if Trump has delusions similar to modern American fundamentalist Christians about being God’s new chosen people. However, I haven’t noticed much other evidence of that delusion exhibited by him.

Someone (I forget who) said that Trump is like an antisemite’s idea of Jew. Maybe there is something to this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:25:04pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:31:18pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From what I’ve read, Mattis will be the one adult in the Situation Room, a necessary counterbalance to the crazy that Flynn will bring.

vox.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:31:20pm

So our president-elect is now combating not only with domestic intelligence services, but also foreign ones as well. As was noted yesterday by CNN, how in the holy fuck does he think this is a good idea? He’s going to need to rely upon these people when he inevitably begins his little crusade against Islam, so how does he expect to get people to believe him when he’s saying that the very CIA he’s presently slagging is reporting a “dire threat” from whichever country he wants to go to war with by year’s end?

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:31:49pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

As much as I’d prefer someone with a bit more retired time, he’s at least sane on NATO and Russia.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:34:44pm

I think we’ve found a new title for Spicer:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:34:45pm

short on pocket change, I suppose:

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:35:37pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

From what I’ve read, Mattis will be the one adult in the Situation Room, a necessary counterbalance to the crazy that Flynn will bring.

vox.com

Except that Mattis couldn’t remember that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel earlier today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:36:08pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I think Yoda said it best:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:37:16pm

I think that the UK intelligence was just taking the piss…

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:37:24pm

re: #5 S’latch

Trump’s statement that the release of this report is somehow like Nazi propaganda is an extremely odd statement.

It suggests that Trump sees himself as persecuted like the Jews of Nazi Germany. It makes me wonder if Trump has delusions similar to modern American fundamentalist Christians about being God’s new chosen people. However, I haven’t noticed much other evidence of that delusion exhibited by him.

Someone (I forget who) said that Trump is like an antisemite’s idea of Jew. Maybe there is something to this.

I don’t think it’s odd at all. It’s his “no, you!” retort that he always uses. He knows full well about his Nazi supporters and how often they are called out and ties tightly to him. He HAS to throw that back somehow. He can’t control himself. In any manner.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:38:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:38:32pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:38:49pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

short on pocket change, I suppose:

Montana Nazis postpone march after failing to complete permit application and falling $50 short on $125 permit fee.

blew it all on meth

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:38:56pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

short on pocket change, I suppose:

It’s probably face saving for them anyway. I don’t think the town was going to put up with them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:39:15pm

I worry a terror attack will come that will allow Trump to thump his chest, say “See? I told you so!” with regards to the CIA and their alleged usefulness.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:39:54pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

And I used to actually like Shearer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:40:21pm

re: #12 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Except that Mattis couldn’t remember that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel earlier today.

No, he refused to say Jerusalem is the capital. He flat out said Tel Aviv is the capital:

President-elect Donald Trump’s Defense Secretary nominee, James Mattis, was asked on Thursday what the capital of Israel is. And he didn’t say Jerusalem.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) asked about Israel during the hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, but Mattis refused to give him the answer he wanted.

“The capital of Israel that I go to, sir, is Tel Aviv, because that’s where all their government people are,” Mattis replied.

“Do you agree with me that the capital of Israel is Jerusalem?” asked Graham.

“Sir, right now, I stick with the U.S. policy,” said Mattis.

“Okay, do you support moving the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem?”

“I would defer to the nominee for Secretary of State on that, sir.”

thinkprogress.org

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:40:38pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

short on pocket change, I suppose:

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Spencer couldn’t let loose with a little of that sweet alt-right welfare he’s getting?

Nazis don’t membership dues, I guess.

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:40:54pm

dupe post! Sry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:41:10pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

I worry a terror attack will come that will allow Trump to thump his chest, say “See? I told you so!” with regards to the CIA and their alleged usefulness.

Just like what Bush said to the NSC after 9/11…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:42:48pm

Good thing I checked. I almost dead-thread posted…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:43:11pm

re: #12 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Except that Mattis couldn’t remember that Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel earlier today.

Which doesn’t mean he isn’t sane. Everything I’ve read about Mattis indicates he is a serious, thoughtful person.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:43:52pm

It’s important to remember that the least objectionable Republican is a heartless SOB. Most of them add further issues, such as bigotry, science denial etc., etc.

But that heartless SOB Republican baseline is already a big problem. These are people whose honest book review of A Christmas Carol would run something like this:

This story is a tragedy. It opens with our hero, Ebenezer Scrooge, going about his lawful, lucrative and Godly business. Unfortunately, Scrooge is subjected to Communist indoctrination by the Ghosts of Christmas past, present and future, abetted by their useful idiot (Marley’s ghost). This psychological torture succeeds, and at the end of the story Scrooge has saddled himself with supporting several useless takers, the most obnoxious of which is Tiny Tim.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:45:13pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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The most generous (to Trump) way one could read the article is that Steele has a strong suspicion but no concrete proof. But the most realistic reading of it is his friends and colleagues believe if he’s putting his name to it, then there’s credible evidence to support it.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:45:16pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:46:34pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:46:35pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:48:10pm

re: #30 Kragar

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archer puking

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:49:26pm

re: #26 GlutenFreeJesus

Good thing I checked. I almost dead-thread posted…

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I’m seeing your PeePee the Frog avi showing up on Facebook today.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:49:41pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Ya…that is some really fine hairsplitting to argue they vouch for the person but not the work product.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:52:06pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Have to wait for the timer to hit zero before you can slide.

/(too obscure?)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:52:36pm

re: #35 Mike Lamb

Ya…that is some really fine hairsplitting to argue they vouch for the person but not the work product.

They are clutching at straws here…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:53:21pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, he refused to say Jerusalem is the capital. He flat out said Tel Aviv is the capital:

thinkprogress.org

Oh thank god.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:53:42pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I’m seeing your PeePee the Frog avi showing up on Facebook today.

Heh. Good stuff. Darth was the first to post it here though. And I just put it on Twitter. Didn’t expect that kind of response. :)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:57:05pm

I like this idea.

Edit: Done badly, look at next post.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:57:09pm

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are clutching at straws here…

It’s closing in on a distinction without a difference.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 12:58:57pm

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:02:27pm

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are clutching at straws here…

There’s this self-defeating branch of intellectual thinking that says any attack on Trump must be 100% air-tight, that anything less only “helps” him by discrediting those waging the attacks.

The problem with this branch of thinking is that there’s never going to be such attacks, there’s always going to be a sliver of doubt that Trump and his sycophants are going to lean on in their efforts to discredit any attack on him.

If there’s one thing Trump has done well, it’s get “intellectuals” to reflexively doubt the claims because of Dubya’s years turning the intel community into a patsy for his foreign adventurism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:04:09pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

There’s this self-defeating branch of intellectual thinking that says anything that any attack on Trump must be 100% air-tight, that anything less only “helps” him by discrediting those waging the attacks.

This is the 180° opposite of the conservative intellectual view that there is no smear implausible enough not to harm Hillary or Obama.

Pizza, anyone?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:06:06pm

re: #42 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would support Biden in 2020.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:08:23pm

re: #45 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would prefer a younger candidate. Joe had his shots at the White House and didn’t fair well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:09:59pm

re: #46 Big Beautiful Door

I would prefer a younger candidate. Joe had his shots at the White House and didn’t fair well.

I don’t think he would want to in any case. He would be a good person to have campaigning for you, though.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:10:19pm

Middle America does not have a monopoly on tough times. There are a lot of people living in cities and elsewhere who have it just as rough, if not worse. And guess what? No one seems to give a shit. In fact, the GOP just orchestrated a whole campaign to disenfranchise a lot these voters, so you’ll pardon me if I save my empathy for the people who are actually screwed now, instead of the voters who did the screwing. I’d rather not waste my time trying to psychoanalyze why so many people were captivated by a political message rooted in pure hate. There’s no time for that. I’m going to fight instead.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #46 Big Beautiful Door

Next Election needs to be Civil Rights focused.

Others I would support are Booker, Julian Castro, Kamala Harris, Klobuchar, and Warren.

In addition, while he hasn’t said anything, I would fall in line behind General John Allen.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:11:13pm
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Franklin  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:12:07pm
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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:14:09pm

Heh - all those people talking about how the markets will soar with Trump are suddenly hitting the reality reset button. Reality is that no one knows what Trump’s economic policies are going to do, and what little we do know is likely to be disruptive to markets that pride themselves on stability.

In other words, the irrational exuberance of November to Christmas has been replaced by the sober realization that Trump’s about to make things very messy as we head into earnings season.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:14:11pm

re: #48 Kragar

Drew Magary is a national treasure. I don’t think I could make it through the week without Funbag every Tuesday.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:14:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:15:54pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

To be clear - the word “quip” in this headline is @thehill’s characterization. Trump calling intel services “Nazis” is a “quip”

It was an enraged, indignant tweet. There was no “humor” intended.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:18:10pm

re: #49 Ziggy_TARDIS

Actually, let me go a bit. I think John Allen is the perfect candidate. He has a sort of magnetism. When he was speaking at the convention, the way he talked gave me a momentary impulse to salute.

Also, he would be able to walk over Trump. Who wants to draft John Allen?

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:19:10pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:19:22pm

re: #56 Ziggy_TARDIS

Actually, let me go a bit. I think John Allen is the perfect candidate. He has a sort of magnetism. When he was speaking at the convention, the way he talked gave me a momentary impulse to salute.

Also, he would be able to walk over Trump. Who wants to draft John Allen?

We got mid-terms to deal with, that will be challenge enough in itself.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:19:47pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I guess I don’t have an objection to this, but the way House and Senate are moving heaven and earth to accommodate dear leader is just kind of sad.

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Franklin  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:20:04pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:20:08pm

Trump has made it pretty plain that his “humor” is much like all conservative “humor”: mean-spirited and intended to derive laughter by insulting someone not there to fight back. This was not a “quip,” it was not a joke, it was an angry little man lashing out in a fit of rage.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:20:26pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:20:27pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

I guess I don’t have an objection to this, but the way House and Senate are moving heaven and earth to accommodate dear leader is just kind of sad.

they are still in fear and awe of his perceived powers

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:21:41pm

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

True. We need good candidates everywhere.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:21:50pm

Prepare for nuclear-level butthurt:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:23:44pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Boo-ya!

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:24:16pm

re: #48 Kragar

I agree with pretty much every word of that article.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:24:51pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Of course this was the natural next step once normalizing relations with Cuba.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:27:05pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Actually, just thought of this. How was that policy constitutional in the first place? Doesn’t that violate the equal protection clause? Because the policy was discriminatory against everyone who wasn’t Cuban.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:30:20pm

re: #5 S’latch

Trump’s statement that the release of this report is somehow like Nazi propaganda is an extremely odd statement.

It suggests that Trump sees himself as persecuted like the Jews of Nazi Germany. It makes me wonder if Trump has delusions similar to modern American fundamentalist Christians about being God’s new chosen people. However, I haven’t noticed much other evidence of that delusion exhibited by him.

Someone (I forget who) said that Trump is like an antisemite’s idea of Jew. Maybe there is something to this.

The “Nazi Germany” analogy works if you think of him as Hitler in the bunker and the Intel Services as the generals saying that the war is lost.

Downfall - Hitler’s Outrage (Original Subtitles, Extended Length)

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:32:18pm

re: #68 GlutenFreeJesus

Of course this was the natural next step once normalizing relations with Cuba.

It was, which is why the GOP is gonna flip their fucking lids over this. What’s going to be funny as hell is watching them argue that some “illegals” are more equal than others.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:44:18pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:48:45pm

Curiousity Question:

If Kennedy had survived, considering his health problems, do you think he might have died during a second term in office?

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:54:25pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Prepare for nuclear-level butthurt:

The Associated Press ✔ @AP
BREAKING: Administration official: Obama ending policy granting residency to Cubans entering US without visas.
4:13 PM - 12 Jan 2017
868 868 Retweets 431 431 likes

Looks like Obama is protecting our borders with a Sea Wall. /

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:54:57pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:56:45pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

Shocked, etc.

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 1:59:59pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

It was only a matter of time.

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b.d.  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:01:01pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Prepare for nuclear-level butthurt:

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Makes sense until we can do extreme vetting on them…

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b.d.  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:02:55pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

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Fact, Donald Trump and Lee Greenwood were born when there were only 48 United States.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:03:55pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

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re: #77 makeitstop

It was only a matter of time.

I would have been more surprised had he not performed.

I think he should change the main lyric though, just for Trump.

“God bless the Nazi Way!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:05:01pm
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KGxvi  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:05:03pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

It’s important to remember that the least objectionable Republican is a heartless SOB. Most of them add further issues, such as bigotry, science denial etc., etc.

But that heartless SOB Republican baseline is already a big problem. These are people whose honest book review of A Christmas Carol would run something like this:

This story is a tragedy. It opens with our hero, Ebenezer Scrooge, going about his lawful, lucrative and Godly business. Unfortunately, Scrooge is subjected to Communist indoctrination by the Ghosts of Christmas past, present and future, abetted by their useful idiot (Marley’s ghost). This psychological torture succeeds, and at the end of the story Scrooge has saddled himself with supporting several useless takers, the most obnoxious of which is Tiny Tim.

This should be a thing. Better than #explainafilmplotbadly

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:06:07pm

re: #73 Ziggy_TARDIS

Curiousity Question:

If Kennedy had survived, considering his health problems, do you think he might have died during a second term in office?

I assume you’re talking about JFK, which would mean considering things in context. Would his various medical maladies killed him outright? Probably not, short of an overdose on whatever painkillers they were pumping him up with to keep on his feet. But the stress of the job is well known and usually comes bearing down on a president most if they can win a second term, as they have to move from proving their worth to securing a lasting legacy. Considering all the shit that was prepared to go down in a hypothetical second Kennedy term, it’s likely one or more of his medical issues would have been made public and that would have been the end of it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:08:28pm

re: #45 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would support Biden in 2020.

At his swearing in, he would be 78 years and 2 months old.

Got to pass on that…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:08:55pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:09:13pm

re: #79 b.d.

Fact, Donald Trump and Lee Greenwood were born when there were only 48 United States.

Hey, me too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:10:03pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, me too!

me, three…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:10:35pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Yep, JFK.

Though, looking at some of his proposals before he died, I think we missed out on some good stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:11:08pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, three…

Christ, we’re old like a mature scotch.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:13:15pm

Hey, when did I post the comment about the crappy Imam?

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:13:28pm

re: #82 KGxvi

This should be a thing. Better than #explainafilmplotbadly

The possibilities are endless. E.g., from a Tale of Two Cities, wingnuts would have it that the Marquis St. Evrémonde is a hero of justice whose generous compensation for the child killed by his carriage was rudely spurned by an ungrateful peasant.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:13:54pm

re: #77 makeitstop

It was only a matter of time.

I bet he sounds nothing like the recording of that song we hear.

LOL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:14:20pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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3CP1! Russian Television! On Your Air!

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:15:36pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

For those who haven’t seen it before, the David Brooks police report by Driftglass is a masterpiece on the subject of both-siderism. driftglass.blogspot.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:15:42pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

The possibilities are endless. E.g., from a Tale of Two Cities, wingnuts would have it that the Marquis St. Evrémonde is a hero of justice whose generous compensation for the child killed by his carriage was rudely spurned by an ungrateful peasant.

Uriah Heep as the badly mistreated hero of “David Copperfield”

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electrotek  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:15:54pm

re: #90 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hey, when did I post the comment about the crappy Imam?

Was it this one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:16:51pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

Fo those who haven’t seen it before, the David Brooks police report by Driftglass is a masterpiece on the subject of both-siderism. driftglass.blogspot.com

saw that and already had updinged it!

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Jack Burton  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:16:58pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

When is it time for Leave it to Brezhnev or Gilligan’s Gulag?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:17:51pm

re: #96 electrotek

That’s the one!

4QHwsxh6iJSOsqgASOLgLQSAaurhWimUHGLlnkBnccrBPgmx8+NVj5n81Br0QKhbNQfE5YbXoOu+89Ull4SKYc22XBKotZEoPc902N7KI3oS4zPiRtpGV9h2Wl5gByfAZpiK8Q98Uys79or1Kix3gcXHpxosWt95tdc9NWoZsVtA7mhM+zvLUnLqks3dzLyqMjYgxGKRqRUWih0MHSNIRwyrgUPUK5fb

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:17:52pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

I bet he sounds nothing like the recording of that song we hear.

LOL

Right. Move that song two keys lower. At least.

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:18:29pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

Fo those who haven’t seen it before, the David Brooks police report by Driftglass is a masterpiece on the subject of both-siderism. driftglass.blogspot.com

I read that last night, funny as hell.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:18:32pm

re: #88 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yep, JFK.

Though, looking at some of his proposals before he died, I think we missed out on some good stuff.

A lot of Kennedy’s ideas ended up being passed as LBJ’s “Great Society,” passed in large part because Johnson had the political skills to move Congress along. Kennedy was in a lot of ways like Obama was when he first took office: young, charismatic, and full of hope. The former was just cut down so suddenly that we never got to see all of that crushed under the reality of partisan politics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:19:16pm

re: #98 Jack Burton

When is it time for Leave it to Brezhnev or Gilligan’s Gulag?

But first, “What Fits In Russia”…

All these fit in Russia!!
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electrotek  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:21:29pm

re: #99 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s the one!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:23:10pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:25:05pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

Uriah Heep as the badly mistreated hero of “David Copperfield”

Simon Legree as a heroic ideal in Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:26:42pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:27:04pm

re: #104 electrotek

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electrotek  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:28:52pm

re: #109 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Tyrion  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:29:11pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

I smell sitcom!!!

And, hell yes, I would watch that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:30:21pm

re: #111 Tyrion

Remember “that’s my Bush”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:32:12pm

^^THIS^^

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:33:37pm

re: #110 electrotek

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electrotek  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:34:27pm

re: #114 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:38:52pm

re: #77 makeitstop

It was only a matter of time.

He’ll just sing “God Bless The USA” over and over and over again. That’s all he’s ever sung.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:42:02pm

re: #115 electrotek

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:42:17pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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^^THIS^^

This is really an example of how well the GOP has worked over the years to turn people against each other for having the slightest bit of success. “Your premiums are going to pay for that guy’s healthcare.” No shit, Sherlock, that’s how the system has worked since the first time somebody came up with the idea of insurance. It’s the very bedrock upon which the entire system works. But leave it to the GOP, who tried to spin themselves as the advocates of the “common man” when they’re up in to their eyeballs with the insurance industry, to convince people that that very system is somehow a form of “charity.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:42:44pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

I mean that is the whole concept of insurance. And what makes medical insurance different from things like auto or house insurance is that, in general, people don’t make a lot of claims on those. Not compared to medical insurance, where pretty much everyone IS going to make a claim at some point. And because medical advances keep happening, we can keep people alive longer - but that costs money. A lot of money, in a lot of cases.

So of course, from a logic perspective, you need to have the people in the system who are going to place less demand on it in order to even out the costs, or else that premium is going to spiral even higher. Because you can have a lower premium when only 10% of the folks paying for it need to get some kind of payout. (Note here: all numbers pulled out of my ass for example purposes only.) But when the folks who need reimbursement approach 50%, it’s suddenly a lot harder for the premiums to cover the outlay.

At best, forcing healthy folks to carry insurance (which, let’s be real, they should be doing anyway because otherwise your option is probably medical bankruptcy when your appendix needs to come out, have fun!) is a stop-gap measure that reduces the rate of that increase by spreading out the burden over a larger group.

I really think at some point we as a country need to come to terms with the fact that health insurance is fundamentally different from other types of insurance and can’t be treated in the same way. In the past, we could get away with it, but the situation is becoming increasingly untenable and the only reason we’ve been able to put this discussion off for so long is because the LARGEST possible drain on the insurance industry …isn’t on the private market. (Thanks Medicare! I’d really like you to stick around until I’m old enough!)

Of course, this is too much nuance for most Americans, let alone Twitter.

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:44:32pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Something in my eye…

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:47:53pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Watched the whole thing, because Joe.

Thanks for posting.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:48:57pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

“As long as there’s breath in me, I’ll be there for you” —@VP to @POTUS after receiving the Medal of Freedom

“And I promise to never ever let you down!”

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:53:53pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two things. First, this award to Vice President Biden was absolutely 100% deserved, because he has gone above and beyond in his service to our country.
Second, I really wonder how they were able to keep Joe from finding out about his getting the award. He had absolutely no idea whatsoever that President Obama was awarding him the Medal of Freedom.

Also one aside observation - I think that this might be the only time in my lifetime that the President and Vice President have as deep of a friendship as Obama and Biden have had these last eight years - I can’t think of any during the last half century that even come close. Above anything else, this might be one of the things I will miss the most come January 20.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:54:04pm

re: #48 Kragar

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This!! This times 10000!!!!!!

Go “break some bread” and “find common ground” with the local folks who freaked the fuck out over finding that I am a trans woman and teach in local schools?

When I found out that people were possibly following me and I started getting messages and phone calls, I kept a loaded Kalashnikov assault rifle next to my bed for over a month!!

So have a nice, frosty mug of shut the fuck up, Anthony Bourdain. Your salt of the earth red state Trump voters were busy threatening my job and my personal safety and you expect me to fucking go and empathize with them? Good luck with that, because I am not going into any room to “break bread” with these assholes unless I am armed.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:56:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:56:38pm

re: #123 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Two things. First, this award to Vice President Biden was absolutely 100% deserved, because he has gone above and beyond in his service to our country.
Second, I really wonder how they were able to keep Joe from finding out about his getting the award. He had absolutely no idea whatsoever that President Obama was awarding him the Medal of Freedom.

Also one aside observation - I think that this might be the only time in my lifetime that the President and Vice President have as deep of a friendship as Obama and Biden have had these last eight years - I can’t think of any during the last half century that even come close. Above anything else, this might be one of the things I will miss the most come January 20.

I’ve never seen anything like it. Bush-Quayle from the little I know of it seemed strictly political, Clinton and Gote got along but I got the sense it was more professional then personal, same with Cheney and Bush. Obama and Biden as said seem to have a genuine bond. We couldn’t have asked for a better VP than Biden the past eight years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:57:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:57:33pm

The same people who buy into “all insurance is the same” are the same morons who generally buy into “the federal budget is just like your household budget,” simplistic cretins who want the world made easy enough for them to understand. Especially we all know or have heard of someone who spent years paying his premiums religiously, maintained a perfect driving record for decades…and then filed one claim and was immediately dropped from his policy. The difference is when you have your car insurance canceled, it’s not the end of your life. When your health insurance is canceled, it very well can be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:57:37pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Watched the whole thing, because Joe.

Thanks for posting.

I paged it
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 2:59:54pm

Posted at the end of the last thread. (My wife and I were over at the village clerk’s office helping her set up the village’s new computer system, moving tables and safes, &c. Go back Tuesday to spend the day copying files for her.)

re: #566 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Between that and relax gun control legislation, we will be setting records again, but not the kind we can be proud of…

Except the mentally ill are usually the victims of gun violence, not perpetrators.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:00:00pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I always thought wet foot was unfair. It’s not as if Cuba is the only tyranny immigrants face peril fleeing. I expect the Cubs lobby to throw a gasket over this but I just don’t care. I know a lot of Cubans had to flee their homes but I hate their representatives like Rubio and Cruz acting like Cuba was unique.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:00:48pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:01:40pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’m wondering how that policy wasn’t deemed discriminatory.

The Duvaliers were worse, and Haiti is still a mess.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:01:47pm

re: #123 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Above anything else, this might be one of the things I will miss the most come January 20.

Agreed. I hope it isn’t too long before we have such a POTUS/VP pair again. I know I am going to be very unhappy when I have to face the reality of them no longer being in the White House.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:03:42pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

That’s some fine jujutsu. If Trump reinstates it, he starts off his admin doing something that directly undercuts his immigration “policy”, and if he doesn’t, he pisses off conservative Cuban s and Republicans who pretend to care about them. Well played.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:05:08pm

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, I’m wondering how that policy wasn’t deemed discriminatory.

The Duvaliers were worse, and Haiti is still a mess.

Cuban lobby has a lot of pull. I mean I don’t deny the Castros are authoritarian but the Cuban lobby acts like they’re the only group to have had that. There were other groups including those who fled regimes we supported far worse.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:05:13pm

Electrotek, are you here?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:05:52pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Again, see the Duvaliers.

Or the people fleeing the MENA and South Asian regions right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:05:52pm

and the foolish here in Kentucky believed him.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:08:32pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

I’m increasingly feeling compelled to find my religion again.

I’m increasingly feeling compelled to conclude religion is part of this. Of course, as an out atheist, I’ll be one of the first against the wall.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:08:54pm
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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:10:30pm

I am seriously dumbfounded at the number of people who didn’t/don’t know Obamacare = ACA. Is this all coming from FOX? Have they praised ACA or made such a false distinction to make it acceptable to their viewers while continuing to hang them with their hate for Obama?

Just typing that made my head hurt.

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KGxvi  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:11:41pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

This was bound to happen as part of normalization. It’s probably the right thing to do, but it’s not going to sit well with the dying Cold Warriors (or the older Cuban Americans). Not sure how I feel about it, to be honest.

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makeitstop  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:11:43pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

Harry clearly enjoys being obtuse.

And by ‘obtuse,’ I mean ‘annoying asshole.’

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:13:47pm

re: #140 Anymouse

Religious batshittery has been rising at the same time.

To be honest, I think Evangelicals are just as willing to commit violence as the Wahhabis. The only thing holding them back is that we have a stronger system of laws.

I am going to guess that, within about 6 months, Evangelicals will have gone on at least 1 Anti-Muslim progrom in the US, with a death toll of over 1,000. I will see if my Republican friend can prove me wrong on this assumption, because Evangelicals and Wahhhabs look identical to me.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:15:23pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

Goddammit, Derek, shut up already.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:16:37pm

Long day at work today though. Stayed later than usual helping out a client but she seemed genuinely appreciative and what I am helping her out with is something very important to her so yeah I got off a little later than i usually do but I know I’m helping someone out. There’s so much that native born people like myself without relatives that are immigrants take for granted. On another plus side, my co-worker got me some Starbucks free of charge but I’m going to get her back for it as well.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:17:16pm

re: #145 Ziggy_TARDIS

Religious batshittery has been rising at the same time.

To be honest, I think Evangelicals are just as willing to commit violence as the Wahhabis. The only thing holding them back is that we have a stronger system of laws.

I am going to guess that, within about 6 months, Evangelicals will have gone on at least 1 Anti-Muslim progrom in the US, with a death toll of over 1,000. I will see if my Republican friend can prove me wrong on this assumption, because Evangelicals and Wahhhabs look identical to me.

Anti black “race riot” pogroms rarely (or never) had a body count anywhere near that high in the 20th century. I would not expect to see anything like that without a firebomb or some such being used on a place of worship. The police, for all their faults, simply no longer let mass murder in the streets go unchecked in this day and age.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:17:50pm

re: #143 KGxvi

This was bound to happen as part of normalization. It’s probably the right thing to do, but it’s not going to sit well with the dying Cold Warriors (or the older Cuban Americans). Not sure how I feel about it, to be honest.

I really do see why it would bother them but as I’ve said, the special status afforded to Cuban exiles has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s tough to communicate that though without sounding heartless I concede.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:18:34pm

re: #144 makeitstop

Harry clearly enjoys being obtuse.

And by ‘obtuse,’ I mean ‘annoying asshole.’

Some people look for any excuse to be an asshole.

I’m finding I’m a lot happier without most of them in my life.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:00pm

re: #138 Ziggy_TARDIS

Again, see the Duvaliers.

Or the people fleeing the MENA and South Asian regions right now.

Oh yes, plenty of examples. I have an Iranian boss and a lot of our clients are Iranians too. Older ones I imagine came during the Shah’s time but the younger ones during the Islamic Republic era.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:09pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I always thought wet foot was unfair. It’s not as if Cuba is the only tyranny immigrants face peril fleeing. I expect the Cubs lobby to throw a gasket over this but I just don’t care. I know a lot of Cubans had to flee their homes but I hate their representatives like Rubio and Cruz acting like Cuba was unique.

What I want to ask them is why Cubans deserve refuge, but Syrians don’t. I mean it’s not like Raul Castro is bombing his own people, right? So it can’t be degree of suffering or risk of death. So why, Marco?

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KGxvi  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:11pm

re: #142 allegro

I am seriously dumbfounded at the number of people who didn’t/don’t know Obamacare = ACA. Is this all coming from FOX? Have they praised ACA or made such a false distinction to make it acceptable to their viewers while continuing to hang them with their hate for Obama?

Just typing that made my head hurt.

There are some people who are going to hate anything and everything that Obama (or any Democratic president for that matter) was or is attached to. It started with the “Obamaphones” - even if you explained that the service was created under Reagan to help people in rural areas, and expanded under GW Bush to include cellphones, it didn’t matter, it had Obama’s name on it, so therefore it was socialism writ large. Same thing happened with the ACA - doesn’t matter that the Republicans proposed the exact same plan in the ’90s, it had Obama’s name on it, therefore it was socialism writ larger

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:18pm

re: #144 makeitstop

I don’t understand why he keeps hassling Charles with this weird shit. Did Charles offend him somehow, is it left-over Bernie Bro pissiness, is he bored?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:44pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There are a couple additional big differences between health insurance and other types of insurance: 1. The variability of costs is much greater; it’s not the frequency of use but the fact that the costs associated with serious health problems are so great that you may need 10,000 healthy consumers to support the one consumer with major needs.
2. The health needs of an individual are independent of their wealth. Most insurance is correlated with income — more expensive homes, life insurance etc. This is the one insurance that has little to do with wealth; in fact, the need is inversely related to wealth. Those with inadequate means generally cannot afford as healthy a lifestyle,

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coin operated  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:19:52pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t going to watch anyway, but just the idea of hearing that damn “God Bless the USA” song would have done it. Heard it for every damn formation for 8 fucking years in the Army. UGH!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:20:23pm

re: #152 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

What want to ask them why Cubans deserve refuge, but Syrians don’t. I mean it’s not like Raul Castro is bombing his own people, right? So it can’t be degree of suffering or risk of death. So why, Marco?

That’s what pisses me off about people like Cruz and Rubio, the whole fuck you, I got mine mentality. Now if those two were more welcoming to ALL immigrants than I would be more sympathetic but Rubio and especially Cruz act nativist as hell on immigration.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:21:10pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:23:01pm

re: #156 coin operated

Wasn’t going to watch anyway, but just the idea of hearing that damn “God Bless the USA” song would have done it. Heard it for every damn formation for 8 fucking years in the Army. UGH!!!

I only had to deal with Dog Faced Soldier in 3rd ID…

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:23:17pm

re: #144 makeitstop

Harry clearly enjoys being obtuse.

And by ‘obtuse,’ I mean ‘annoying asshole.’

Makes me think he didn’t have to do much acting as the bass player in “This is Spinal Tap.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:23:25pm

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

There are a couple additional big differences between health insurance and other types of insurance: 1. The variability of costs is much greater; it’s not the frequency of use but the fact that the costs associated with serious health problems are so great that you may need 10,000 healthy consumers to support the one consumer with major needs.
2. The health needs of an individual are independent of their wealth. Most insurance is correlated with income — more expensive homes, life insurance etc. This is the one insurance that has little to do with wealth; in fact, the need is inversely related to wealth. Those with inadequate means generally cannot afford as healthy a lifestyle,

And a lot of these are issues that have evolved as our medical knowledge has advanced. The difference in outcomes used to be such that sure, the wealthy could spend more money for more care, but all that got them was a slightly better probability. Now it literally is the difference between life and death. Same on costs - I suspect the spread used to be a lot smaller.

It used to be we could treat medical insurance more like we did the other types, but that’s not the case anymore because of issues like these.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:23:37pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

The Shah was just as bad as the current government, in a lot of ways.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:24:49pm

re: #162 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Shah was just as bad as the current government, in a lot of ways.

Just as the Czarist regime was as bad as the Communists were in the USSR. A centrist liberal like me would have been a threat to both the Okrana and KGB.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:25:50pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:26:08pm

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

My opinion of Evangelicals is exceptionally low.

I will drop the number to 300 though. Having met Wahhabis and Evangelicals, I can say that they are practically the same. That’s why I am concerned about violence. From them.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:27:09pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

And as Nordic Style Socialist, the same deal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:27:21pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty rich given the guy who took part in the cottage Obama is a secret Muslim who hates Obama industry. Fuck off, Frankie.

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KGxvi  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:27:24pm

re: #152 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

What want to ask them why Cubans deserve refuge, but Syrians don’t. I mean it’s not like Raul Castro is bombing his own people, right? So it can’t be degree of suffering or risk of death. So why, Marco?

Because I have relatives that benefited from wet foot/dry foot, and others that were part of the Mariel boat lift, I’ve always been pretty much an open borders type on immigration. Might also have something to do with my libertarian leanings (or it may be a chicken and egg thing), but I’ve pretty much always been of the mind set that anyone who wants to come and be part of this crazy experiment should be welcome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:27:26pm

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

My opinion of Evangelicals is exceptionally low.

I will drop the number to 300 though. Having met Wahhabis and Evangelicals, I can say that they are practically the same. That’s why I am concerned about violence. From them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:27:58pm

re: #166 Ziggy_TARDIS

And as Nordic Style Socialist, the same deal.

Yeah a lot of people don’t get that. They just think any socialist would have been in paradise in the USSR.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:28:18pm

It’s a nice letter

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:28:26pm

THE HOLY FUCK IS THIS??!!??

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:28:37pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:28:43pm

re: #124 Scottish Dragon

Article referenced in the piece.

Love Is Not the Answer

The trope of the magical negro often includes an endless well for understanding and forgiveness on the part of black people until their white oppressors finally comes around (see: Driving Miss Daisy-The Help), wherein black people must bear the burden of our abuse and the weight of forgiveness as the white conscience is allowed to float about freely.

The efforts of (Van) Jones and other are both noble and ahistorical. The rights of the minority have never been granted simply because the majority finally came around and changed its mind. Racism and bigotry are not the result of unfriendliness nor will they be undone by the opposite. We must ask if changing the minds of the few who are both reachable and open is the best use of our energy during a time that demands so much of it.

Jones and others can rise up with their Love Armies and their op-eds and cupcakes and continue to have fruitless conversations with people who would applaud and defend any cop who shot them dead in the street. But you don’t have to love your oppressor or those who would sleep just fine at night with full knowledge of your oppression.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:29:31pm

re: #168 KGxvi

I have the same deal. There needs to be a modicum of security, but most terrorists are people who have been born here. Not only that, but the biggest exceptions to this came not from people wanting citizenship, but those on student and visitor visas.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:29:47pm

re: #168 KGxvi

Because I have relatives that benefited from wet foot/dry foot, and others that were part of the Mariel boat lift, I’ve always been pretty much an open borders type on immigration. Might also have something to do with my libertarian leanings (or it may be a chicken and egg thing), but I’ve pretty much always been of the mind set that anyone who wants to come and be part of this crazy experiment should be welcome.

I personally believe that if we’re going to have wet food, it should be for every group. I can understand why this is a personal issue to you though. I just don’t like one group having special benefits. I’m cool with you since you want a country truly welcoming to all but the same can’t be said about Rubio and Cruz.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:29:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:30:35pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

It’s a nice letter

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I like the Bush daughters. Never would have voted for their old man but Jenna and Barbara seem like pleasant people with good hearts.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:30:49pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:31:38pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:31:48pm

re: #173 Jebediah, RBG

Fuck Frank Gaffney and fuck his bully tactics. It won’t work and they all know it.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:32:08pm

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

Anti black “race riot” pogroms rarely (or never) had a body count anywhere near that high in the 20th century. I would not expect to see anything like that without a firebomb or some such being used on a place of worship. The police, for all their faults, simply no longer let mass murder in the streets go unchecked in this day and age.

The Tulsa Race Riots (started by whites because blacks had the audacity to make money) only killed three hundred, but their entire section of the city was burned to the ground.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:32:37pm

Also gotta add that I was rubbed the wrong way when some people tried to shame the Bush daughters for the underaged drinking. Was it immature? Sure but was it also behavior that most people engage in when they’re young and away from home? Sure too. It’s not like Jenna and Barbara are mean and bigoted people. Much respect for them than Meaghan McCain honestly, Palin’s oldest children, the Romney boys, and of course the Trump kin outside Tiff and Barron.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:32:54pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Amory Blaine  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:33:13pm

re: #179 jaunte

Hey jaunte, was it you who posted this lecture last week? It was very good. TY.

Timothy Snyder - “What Can European History Teach Us About Trump’s America?”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:33:20pm

re: #177 Scottish Dragon

I have to say…nobody did propaganda posters like the early Soviet Union. Their stuff was consistently brilliant.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:33:29pm

re: #184 Ziggy_TARDIS

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:34:01pm

re: #185 Amory Blaine

Not me, but it was good.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:36:43pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

I don’t care if grown adults pee on each other either. But when a political party has “claimed” some moral authority over me because how I live my life is lesser to them? Fuck em.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:37:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:37:33pm

Having rre: #189 Amory Blaine

I don’t care if grown adults pee on each other either. But when a political party has “claimed” some moral authority over me because how I live my life is lesser to them? Fuck em.

Yep. I’ll always hate the GOP’s holier than thou attitude. The whole “We’re more moral than you because we’re Christian conservatives.”

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:37:50pm

re: #190 Jebediah, RBG

Excellent!

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:38:20pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:38:21pm

re: #182 Anymouse

The Tulsa Race Riots (started by whites because blacks had the audacity to make money) only killed three hundred, but their entire section of the city was burned to the ground.

Tulsa was the real big one. There was Chicago in 1919 I think, and Rosewood in 1923. Neither event had massive body count (in the low dozens) , although both (especially Rosewood) had significant property damage. Racial motivated deaths over the last 150 years tended to be masses of relatively small numbers that added up and up and up….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:38:35pm

re: #184 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Timothy Watson  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:39:00pm

re: #186 Scottish Dragon

I have to say…nobody did propaganda poster like the early Soviet Union. Their stuff was consistently brilliant.

My favorite:
Beat the Whites with the Red Wedge

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:39:03pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:39:26pm

re: #192 retired cynic

Thanks!
All the absurd hypocrisy and double standard bullshit is really starting to chafe.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:39:34pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gaffney should go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut for trying to normalize Satan’s Anus as president of the United States.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:40:06pm

re: #182 Anymouse

The Tulsa Race Riots (started by whites because blacks had the audacity to make money) only killed three hundred, but their entire section of the city was burned to the ground.

Elaine, Arkansas massacre was in the hundreds as well. It had nowhere near the population of Tulsa either.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:41:52pm

re: #200 Arkansawyer

There was a similar episode in Springfield, Illinois: en.wikipedia.org

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:42:15pm

re: #186 Scottish Dragon

That’s for sure. My mother-in-law has a few prints of Soviet posters - none of us have any idea what they say, but graphically they are pretty cool!

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:42:25pm

This FedEx truck driver power slides down this snowy mountain pass in California *like a boss.*

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:42:27pm

He just lied & lied & lied.

This report has legs, if nothing because it got so deep under his skin.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:42:40pm

Forgot to include

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:42:41pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:43:47pm

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:44:05pm

re: #200 Arkansawyer

Elaine, Arkansas massacre was in the hundreds as well. It had nowhere near the population of Tulsa either.

1919 was a really bad year.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:45:21pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

My packages better not be late!

//

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:46:09pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

This FedEx truck driver power slides down this snowy mountain pass in California *like a boss.*

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Hero!

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:47:31pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

It’s important to remember that the least objectionable Republican is a heartless SOB. Most of them add further issues, such as bigotry, science denial etc., etc.

But that heartless SOB Republican baseline is already a big problem. These are people whose honest book review of A Christmas Carol would run something like this:

This story is a tragedy. It opens with our hero, Ebenezer Scrooge, going about his lawful, lucrative and Godly business. Unfortunately, Scrooge is subjected to Communist indoctrination by the Ghosts of Christmas past, present and future, abetted by their useful idiot (Marley’s ghost). This psychological torture succeeds, and at the end of the story Scrooge has saddled himself with supporting several useless takers, the most obnoxious of which is Tiny Tim.

Son of the Morning Star:
A corrupt and incompetent federal government orders the heroic Colonel Custer to round up a large gang of dark-skinned thugs who have skipped out of public housing and gone on a rampage to reclaim their former turf. Unfortunately, Custer’s force includes large numbers of recent immigrants, many of whom come from barbarous areas of Europe where strict gun control is enforced, and who therefore have only rudimentary shooting skills. Custer locates the gang, which unfortunately turns out to be larger than expected. He and many of his men fight bravely but die a martyr’s death on behalf of property rights and the sacred principles of law and order.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:47:45pm

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

My opinion of Evangelicals is exceptionally low.

So is mine, but it’s not a question of character, it’s a question of commitment and exertion. A big chunk of the worst of the Evangelicals are too damn lazy and comfortable to be killing people in the street. That’s way too much effort when they can just sit on their sofa watching Fox and yelling slurs whenever Obama shows up.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:47:57pm

re: #201 retired cynic

There was a similar episode in Springfield, Illinois: en.wikipedia.org

If the political environment becomes any more caustic, all it will take is a rumor of Black Lives Matter organizing something for violence to happen. The language is already there (BLM=domestic terrorist).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:49:24pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:49:48pm

re: #206 Anymouse

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:50:46pm

re: #182 Anymouse

The Tulsa Race Riots (started by whites because blacks had the audacity to make money) only killed three hundred, but their entire section of the city was burned to the ground.

6000 jailed and 800 hospitalized as well.

All you’d have to do to get the cops happily helping kill today is claim their terrorist out to kill cops. They’ll shoot first and never ask any questions.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:52:15pm

Someone suggested that they make some quick television commercials to tell people about the vote.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:52:16pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

That driver is amazing. Best I have ever seen.

If he had been on the Titanic, it would have missed the iceberg.

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unproven innocence  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:53:49pm

re: #185 Amory Blaine

Hey jaunte, was it you who posted this lecture last week? It was very good. TY.

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I’ve watched several of Timothy Snyder’s videos. Of particular interest was his notion that the One Thing that was the biggest factor in mortality rates for Jews in Europe during WW2 was how consistently or inconsistentlly they were considered to be members of a nation-state —a formality/convention under which citizens enjoy certain measures of protection by default. THIS has direct lessons for ALL the immigration/refugee issues now under consideration, everywhere. And it speaks of the worst aspects of “security” measures like the Patriot Act.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:54:04pm

Humans are abysmal at accurately assessing risk to themselves.

That being said, the shit that terrifies me the most when it comes to losing someone I care about (or my own life)?

Cars.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:54:15pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

“Bro. I’m in deep shit. Will you help me out once you’re sworn in? You owe me.”

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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:54:34pm

re: #217 Belafon

Because they lie, Chuck. Are you shitheads ever going to figure this out?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:54:44pm
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Belafon  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:55:22pm

Some other authors have joined Rick Riordan in not being honored by the Texas legislature: dailykos.com.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:55:35pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:55:55pm

re: #217 Belafon

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Someone suggested that they make some quick television commercials to tell people about the vote.

Didn’t trade unions do as such back in 1995-96 to derail Newt’s “contract for America?” There were a set of TV ads that used Newt’s “wither on the vine” remark rather effectively…

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 12, 2017 • 3:56:17pm
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sagehen  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:00:29pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Yoda said it best:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Aw, c’mon. The Bene Gesserit said it better than that:

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:01:10pm

re: #194 Scottish Dragon

Tulsa was the real big one. There was Chicago in 1919 I think, and Rosewood in 1923. Neither event had massive body count (in the low dozens) , although both (especially Rosewood) had significant property damage. Racial motivated deaths over the last 150 years tended to be masses of relatively small numbers that added up and up and up….

There was also Colfax in 1873, where over every single African-American man, woman, and child - estimated at close to 200 people - was systematically murdered because one person dared fight back against racial violence.

There was a memorial put up to signify this event, that stands to this very day.

It honors the murderers.

Totally non-racist.
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:01:41pm

re: #189 Amory Blaine

Except in this case, if it’s actually true (probably not), isn’t it an example of misogyny? Wasn’t he was watching two woman and not a participant? That is offensive.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:01:51pm

More:

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:03:35pm

re: #230 Hecuba’s daughter

Except in this case, if it’s actually true (probably not), isn’t it an example of misogyny? Wasn’t he was watching two woman and not a participant? That is offensive.

The act was not misogyny. The act was espionage.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:04:10pm

re: #229 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Un-fucking-real.

Remind me never to visit that dump.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:05:43pm

re: #225 Anymouse

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:07:08pm

re: #229 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

There was also Colfax in 1873, where over every single African-American man, woman, and child - estimated at close to 200 people - was systematically murdered because they one person dared fight back against racial violence.

There was a memorial put up to signify this event, that stands to this very day.

It honors the murderers.

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Heritage.//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:07:48pm

re: #228 sagehen

Aw, c’mon. The Bene Gesserit said it better than that:

Whenever I read/hear those words, an Elton John tune runs through my mind…

B-B-B-B-B-Bene and the Gesserit..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:08:03pm

I’m sorry to read that some people live in fear of of their lives from Evangelicals.

I live in the middle of crazy Evangelical land: my county (population around 14,000) boasts more than 100 churches (one Catholic that offers Masses by a visiting priest once a month), less than a half dozen Methodist, the rest some sort of Pentecostal variation (including speaking in tongues and rolling around on the floor) or non-denominational (lots of them are in it for the tax benefits).

Funny thing, though…way more than half of the county’s residents don’t identify with ANY religion. And those of us in that group KNOW the pious Evangelicals: we KNOW who is sleeping around, we KNOW whose children’s paternity is somewhat (shall we say) “suspect” (looking at you Kim Davis and all of your husbands), we KNOW where you are and what you are doing the rest of the week when you’re not in church on Wednesday nights and Sundays.

And they all know that WE know that.

Evangelicals here can pretend to be all outraged Bertha-Better-Than-You hereabouts, but they know that we know every damned bit of their hypocrisy. And if we know, they damned sure know their God does, too.

And there’s not a thing they are going to do to anyone in terms of violence other than shout and get all red in the face.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:08:08pm

re: #232 Anymouse

The act was not misogyny. The act was espionage.

And that’s why Christopher Steele was brilliant. The “golden showers” sidebar is enough to lure you into the ACTUAL story in those memos, that the Trump campaign was collaborating with Russia to influence the election.

Trump’s over-the-top response have made it impossible to dismiss the story.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:08:45pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

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Arkansawyer  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:11:07pm

re: #229 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

There was also Colfax in 1873, where over every single African-American man, woman, and child - estimated at close to 200 people - was systematically murdered because they one person dared fight back against racial violence.

There was a memorial put up to signify this event, that stands to this very day.

It honors the murderers.

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That memorial deserves the Trump Special. You know that’s just gotta be what he told the prostitutes to call it.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:11:17pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sorry to read that some people live in fear of of their lives from Evangelicals.

And there’s not a thing they are going to do to anyone in terms of violence other than shout and get all red in the face.

Takes only one. Unless and until they renounce their violence in the name of God, their silence is assent.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:12:03pm

re: #241 Anymouse

Takes only one. Unless and until they renounce their violence in the name of God, their silence is assent.

I take it you hold the same standards for Muslims, then? I’m sure our Muslim members will be glad to hear it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:13:11pm

re: #241 Anymouse

Takes only one. Unless and until they renounce their violence in the name of God, their silence is assent.

I’m sorry that you live in such fear that you feel the need to have a shotgun under your bed.

I refuse to live so. I know them and they know me. It’s a total non-starter.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:13:17pm

re: #229 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Holy shit, I can’t believe that is still there!
Although it certainly has historical value and interest, but what a god damn blot.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:14:19pm

re: #240 Arkansawyer

That memorial deserves the Trump Special. You know that’s just gotta be what he told the prostitutes to call it.

There’s nothing wrong with that monument that several sticks of dynamite can’t solve.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:14:47pm

re: #124 Scottish Dragon

This!! This times 10000!!!!!!

Go “break some bread” and “find common ground” with the local folks who freaked the fuck out over finding that I am a trans woman and teach in local schools?

When I found out that people were possibly following me and I started getting messages and phone calls, I kept a loaded Kalashnikov assault rifle next to my bed for over a month!!

So have a nice, frosty mug of shut the fuck up, Anthony Bourdain. Your salt of the earth red state Trump voters were busy threatening my job and my personal safety and you expect me to fucking go and empathize with them? Good luck with that, because I am not going into any room to “break bread” with these assholes unless I am armed.

You should invite HIM to come and break some bread with you so you can say this straight to his face.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:14:48pm

re: #242 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I take it you hold the same standards for Muslims, then? I’m sure our Muslim members will be glad to hear it.

Muslims in the USA have repeatedly renounced violence in the name of Allah.

In the meantime, I invite you to look up the church up the road that wants all atheists (and liberals and Jews, but atheists first) dead. I won’t link their swill on Mr. Johnson’s Website, but I will give you the name behind a privacy tag. Then tell me why I shouldn’t fear such people after you read it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:16:05pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

ABC is reporting similarly, without linking to CNN. May be the same sources, of course.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:17:04pm

re: #229 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

OMG

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:18:21pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

If there is violence targeting Muslims, it will be from a Dylan Roof type loner, who has been indoctrinated by Fox news or Breitbart or other anti-Muslim sites. With the weaponry available to the average citizen, there could be many casualties. But I am hoping that we are better than that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:20:11pm

re: #247 Anymouse

For the record, I don’t consider hate groups churches any more than I consider ISIL Islam.

I’m consistent that way.

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baileylamb  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:21:01pm

re: #177 Scottish Dragon

That really doesn’t look far off from those Nazi Reich propaganda family posters.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:21:16pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

If there is violence targeting Muslims, it will be from a Dylan Roof type loner, who has been indoctrinated by Fox news or Breitbart or other anti-Muslim sites. With the weaponry available to the average citizen, there could be many casualties. But I am hoping that we are better than that.

Nope.

aclu.org (nationwide map, click on a state to learn more about the attacks on Muslims/mosques) - my state is in the top category.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:21:28pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:21:54pm

re: #244 Jebediah, RBG

Holy shit, I can’t believe that is still there!
Although it certainly has historical value and interest, but what a god damn blot.

The official Louisiana State placard that was erected in the late 1950s stood until less than 10 years ago - it was removed when the city courthouse underwent a complete teardown and rebuild. It wasn’t much better - “carpetbag misrule” that is cited here is what the rest of the country called the post- Civil War Reconstruction.

The official state monument
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:22:02pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For the record, I don’t consider hate groups churches any more than I consider ISIL Islam.

I’m consistent that way.

You’re right on. God knows Evangelicals annoy me but I do believe individuals are individuals ultimately.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:22:10pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

If there is violence targeting Muslims, it will be from a Dylan Roof type loner, who has been indoctrinated by Fox news or Breitbart or other anti-Muslim sites. With the weaponry available to the average citizen, there could be many casualties. But I am hoping that we are better than that.

Most of us are. It doesn’t take that many who aren’t.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:22:16pm

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

My opinion of Evangelicals is exceptionally low.

I will drop the number to 300 though. Having met Wahhabis and Evangelicals, I can say that they are practically the same. That’s why I am concerned about violence. From them.

1 Evangelicals, unlike Wahhabis, are generally located in countries with functioning governments and law enforcement. They’d be caught, they’d face consequences, they know this and it restrains them from acting on their worst impulses.

2 Evangelicals, unlike Wahhabis, are generally located in countries where they can publish books, have radio and TV shows, run candidates, and get the state legislature to enact — maybe not their worst impulses, but their 2nd or 3rd worst impulses. At no risk to themselves.

These are the reasons that Brian Fisher and Tony Perkins and Mike Huckabee are not and will never be Al-Baghdadi.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:22:44pm

re: #255 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The official Louisiana State placard that was erected in the late 1950s stood until less than 10 years ago - it was removed when the city courthouse underwent a complete teardown and rebuild. It wasn’t much better - “carpetbag misrule” that is cited here is what the rest of the country called the post- Civil War Reconstruction.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:23:51pm

re: #244 Jebediah, RBG

Holy shit, I can’t believe that is still there!
Although it certainly has historical value and interest, but what a god damn blot.

It should be removed and placed in a civil rights museum or some similar place where context can be appreciated.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:24:19pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell (no relation)

THE HOLY FUCK IS THIS??!!??

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This is what I got when I clicked on it to RT.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:24:33pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

If there is violence targeting Muslims, it will be from a Dylan Roof type loner, who has been indoctrinated by Fox news or Breitbart or other anti-Muslim sites. With the weaponry available to the average citizen, there could be many casualties. But I am hoping that we are better than that.

We’ve already seen this pattern play out in the abortion wars, where the clearest example is Bill O’Reilly repeatedly inciting murder from his perch as a Fox commenter. This message was eventually acted on in the murder of Dr. Tiller. The taint from something like that runs deep, and extends well past O’Reilly to anyone who willfully pretends that he didn’t engage in stochastic terrorism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:24:48pm

Zigs., take Klys advice and extend Evangelicals the same treatment you’d want as an American Muslim. Yes Evangelicals do tend to view Muslims like yourself and skeptics like myself with nastiness but please look at people as individuals. A lot of African American civil rights activists past and present are from Evangelical churches.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:25:13pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

With the weaponry available to the average citizen, there could be many casualties. But I am hoping that we are better than that.

I waver in and out between fearful visions of a rather horrible future ahead. And with outright hate groups like the NPI on the proverbial warpath, it doesn’t look good AT ALL.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:26:33pm

So this gif is still good?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:26:45pm

re: #260 Shiplord Kirel

It should be removed and placed in a civil rights museum or some similar place where context can be appreciated.

Yep to the time when the white southerners were the good guys of Reconstruction. I’ve totally re thought my position on the Grant presidency knowing most of the historiography on it was written by bitter Southerners or southern sympathizers.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:26:51pm

re: #261 MsJ

This is what I got when I clicked on it to RT.

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Yikes! I’m viewing her account on my iPhone without much trouble. Maybe she was hacked???

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:27:15pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

As I think about this, though - it’s yet another example of white privilege, or you could call it white Christian privilege: we’re not required to march in opposition to mass shootings by white people to prove we’re not on their side. And when someone like Dylann Roof shoots 9 black people in a church, people don’t say, “We need to monitor these white communities. People are being radicalized. The community knows who they are, believe me.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:29:48pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

As I think about this, though - it’s yet another example of white privilege, or you could call it white Christian privilege: we’re not required to march in opposition to mass shootings by white people to prove we’re not on their side. And when someone like Dylann Roof shoots 9 black people in a church, people don’t say, “We need to monitor these white communities. People are being radicalized. The community knows who they are, believe me.”

Just as we don’t talk about self policing when it comes to serial killers even though they are over representatively straight white male. Being a majority in power means that gets ignored. No one freaked about heterosexual white dudes because of Ted Bundy.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:31:38pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Zigs., take Klys advice and extend Evangelicals the same treatment you’d want as an American Muslim. Yes Evangelicals do tend to view Muslims like yourself and skeptics like myself with nastiness but please look at people as individuals. A lot of African American civil rights activists past and present are from Evangelical churches.

Trust and respect are earned, not demanded. Since Evangelical churches are awash in warfare imagery (“spiritual warfare,” warlike hymns, condemning from the pulpit anyone not like them, will not expel members who advance those things, &c &c &c), nope not from me. Too much experience in my life to convince me of anything other than they want me to convert, or die.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:35:12pm

re: #270 Anymouse

Trust and respect are earned, not demanded. Since Evangelical churches are awash in warfare imagery (“spiritual warfare,” warlike hymns, condemning from the pulpit anyone not like them, will not expel members who advance those things, &c &c &c), nope not from me. Too much experience in my life to convince me of anything other than they want me to convert, or die.

And how’s that different from people who view all Muslims the same way? Listen I’m far as you can be from fond of Evangelicals as one can be but I know this much, I hate being demonized for being a non believer, I’m not gonna assume everyone is the same. Don’t become what you hate in others. Klys has warned Ziggy about that for years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:35:22pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Just as we don’t talk about self policing when it comes to serial killers even though they are over representatively straight white male. Being a majority in power means that gets ignored. No one freaked about heterosexual white dudes because of Ted Bundy.

Because we accept being white, straight, Christian, and male as the default. That’s “normal Americans”, “everyday Americans”. Any deviation from that, and you’re a Group, an Identity. Cater to white, straight, Christian, and males, and you’re just Supporting America!. Cater to anyone else, it’s Identity Politics!

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:36:06pm

re: #258 sagehen

These are the reasons that Brian Fisher and Tony Perkins and Mike Huckabee are not and will never be Al-Baghdadi.

The American Family Association has pretty much run every liberal out of Colorado Springs. They are trying to subvert the Air Force Academy there with some success. But Bryan Fischer has no power?

Are we waiting until all his wingnut buddies are in charge of the Air Force first?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:36:42pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Because we accept being white, straight, Christian, and male as the default. That’s “normal Americans”, “everyday Americans”. Any deviation from that, and you’re a Group, an Identity. Cater to white, straight, Christian, and males, and you’re just Supporting America!. Cater to anyone else, it’s Identity Politics!

Yeah straight white male is default mode in America.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:37:05pm

Hey Charles, how do I insert a meta image into a page if I don’t post any video?

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:37:46pm

re: #267 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Yikes! I’m viewing her account on my iPhone without much trouble. Maybe she was hacked???

I am usually on my phone. I am hitting the couch soon so I will see what happens when I do it from my phone. Crazy, eh?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:38:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:40:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:40:59pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

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I guess he figured Rudy has experience in cyber but doesn’t know the difference between that cyber and cyber security.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:41:56pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

Hey, at least they got the exercise done!

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:41:57pm

re: #267 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Yikes! I’m viewing her account on my iPhone without much trouble. Maybe she was hacked???

No problem on my phone. Kaspersky hated it tho.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:42:20pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I guess he figured Rudy has experience in cyber but doesn’t know the difference between that cyber and cyber security.

They probably confuse cyber with (light)saber

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:42:36pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

And how’s that different from people who view all Muslims the same way? Listen I’m far as you can be from fond of Evangelicals as one can be but I know this much, I hate being demonized for being a non believer, I’m not gonna assume everyone is the same. Don’t become what you hate in others. Klys has warned Ziggy about that for years.

No Muslim has ever threatened me. Many Evangelicals have.

There’s that.

Mosques, when they find someone within their parishioners who display or speak of violence against others have long done things like notify the police or the FBI.

Evangelical churches hide such people (think Eric Rudolph). They do not renounce violence.

I am not condemning Evangelicals, you may have misread what I wrote. I said respect and trust are earned. I don’t trust a used car salesman to tell me everything I need to know, but I’m pretty sure a dealership is not harbouring terrorists. They do not hammer every day at the sales meeting how their customers are evil.

It is not a big step from “this person is evil” to “this person should stop breathing.”

If you think Glenn Beck engaged in stochastic terrorism by hammering away at Dr. Tiller every night, why do Evangelical preachers get a pass?

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:44:21pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:44:47pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

Nobody seems to know what Rudy Giuliani’s cybersecurity firm actually does

Giuliani spent much of his time consulting after leaving office as mayor of New York at the end of 2001. His venture claims to offer “a comprehensive range of security and crisis management services.” His consulting firm has hired controversial staffers, and has worked for questionable clientele, reports have said.

Yet, even his cybersecurity venture’s website, filled with clunky Flash components and “cyber” stock imagery throughout, doesn’t advertise what it does.

zdnet.com

I think he runs a laundry.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:45:33pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:46:36pm

re: #258 sagehen

1 Evangelicals, unlike Wahhabis, are generally located in countries with functioning governments and law enforcement. They’d be caught, they’d face consequences, they know this and it restrains them from acting on their worst impulses.

2 Evangelicals, unlike Wahhabis, are generally located in countries where they can publish books, have radio and TV shows, run candidates, and get the state legislature to enact — maybe not their worst impulses, but their 2nd or 3rd worst impulses. At no risk to themselves.

These are the reasons that Brian Fisher and Tony Perkins and Mike Huckabee are not and will never be Al-Baghdadi.

I somewhat disagree with this assessment.

Even though the top leadership of the evangelical community won’t commit acts of violence, they do encourage other like-minded members to do so.

Case in point - Eric Rudolph (1996 Olympic Park bomber, also committed multiple other terrorist acts against gays and family-planning groups). He stayed at large until 2005 - almost ten years - because of a network of evangelical groups providing shelter and funding that significantly delayed his capture. There is still a movement to have him released from his Supermax imprisonment.

He isn’t the only one whose actions are supported by evangelists - Scott Roeder, who murdered George Tiller is actively recruiting followers from his prison cell, and several religious organizations like Perkins’ FRC distribute those materials, including his manifesto.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:48:16pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Nobody seems to know what Rudy Giuliani’s cybersecurity firm actually does

zdnet.com

I think he runs a laundry.

Most likely a simple pay for play enterprise.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:48:34pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:48:48pm

Minister of Propaganda.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:48:50pm

re: #283 Anymouse

No Muslim has ever threatened me. Many Evangelicals have.

There’s that.

Mosques, when they find someone within their parishioners who display or speak of violence against others have long done things like notify the police or the FBI.

Evangelical churches hide such people (think Eric Rudolph). They do not renounce violence.

I am not condemning Evangelicals, you may have misread what I wrote. I said respect and trust are earned. I don’t trust a used car salesman to tell me everything I need to know, but I’m pretty sure a dealership is not harbouring terrorists. They do not hammer every day at the sales meeting how their customers are evil.

It is not a big step from “this person is evil” to “this person should stop breathing.”

If you think Glenn Beck engaged in stochastic terrorism by hammering away at Dr. Tiller every night, why do Evangelical preachers get a pass?

I didn’t say they deserve a pass or even respect. I said individuals shouldn’t be suspect simply because of their group. You’ve never been threatened by a Muslim. That’s great. People in Boston had their friends and loved ones killed by them and I wouldn’t give them a free pass to hate all Muslims because of it just as I think your and Ziggy’s bad experience with Evangelicals shouldn’t give you both a pass to hate all Evangelicals. You don’t have to like or even respect them but my point is I don’t think it’s right to assume Evangelical= enemy anymore than Muslim or nonbeliever does and frankly Klys especially has been working hard to get Ziggy to see people as individuals rather than their group label for sometime now.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:50:18pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Most likely a simple pay for play enterprise.

Or a pay-for-grift.

My wife has dinner ready, so I am going to bail out for now. I do like discussions with folk who have differing opinions than me … it helps me learn the ideas of others and helps me hone my own (or reject my ideas if they cannot be supported).

However, I have an idea right now that kielbasa and pierogi is at the top of my menu. Catch y’all later… .

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:50:18pm

re: #286 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

You’re calling for American unity under a man with a lot of unsavory connections to the Russians. Does that seem right to you?

I’m gonna say, yeah, he’s okay with it. Gaffney’s one of those ‘Civilizational Conservatives’ always looking for The Final Clash Of Civilizations! The Battle To The Death Between Good And Evil!!!, and he sees White, Christian Russia as an ally against the Swarthy Muslim Hordes, even while Russia cracks down on Evangelicals trying to convert Orthodox Christians to their own peculiar brand.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:52:13pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

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Drip…drip…drip…

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scottslemmons  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:52:36pm

re: #293 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m gonna say, yeah, he’s okay with it. Gaffney’s one of those ‘Civilizational Conservatives’ always looking for The Final Clash Of Civilizations! The Battle To The Death Between Good And Evil!!!, and he sees White, Christian Russia as an ally against the Swarthy Muslim Hordes, even while Russia cracks down on Evangelicals trying to convert Orthodox Christians to their own peculiar brand.

Gaffney wants to kill Muslims (and black people and liberals and gays, etc.) and Russia is absolutely A-OK with all that.

I used to be surprised that more Republicans didn’t just move to Russia, but maybe they knew they were going to be taking over here. :/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:53:30pm

If I misread you AM, I apologize but I really want Ziggy to get over his group guilt association. It’s something that to his credit he’s worked on but still needs to improve on. I just want him to show the same respect to people in other groups that people should show him as an American Muslim.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:54:39pm

25 pounds of explosives. This was filmed last year near Ophir Pass, CO.

Avalanche Control in Colorado

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:56:34pm

If Trump had the common sense God gave the lemming, he’d have waited for this whole memo business to blow over or kept his involvement with it to a “We’ll wait for the investigation to finish.” But he couldn’t help it, his ego wouldn’t allow him to let it go by unaddressed, so now we watch as he’s (again) stuck fighting a rearguard action where every time one of his spokesweasels tries to make it go away, they get caught in another lie.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:56:40pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I didn’t say they deserve a pass or even respect. I said individuals shouldn’t be suspect simply because of their group. You’ve never been threatened by a Muslim. That’s great. People in Boston had their friends and loved ones killed by them and I wouldn’t give them a free pass to hate all Muslims because of it just as I think your and Ziggy’s bad experience with Evangelicals shouldn’t give you both a pass to hate all Evangelicals. You don’t have to like or even respect them but my point is I don’t think it’s right to assume Evangelical= enemy anymore than Muslim or nonbeliever does and frankly Klys especially has been working hard to get Ziggy to see people as individuals rather than their group label for sometime now.

I didn’t say Evangelical=Enemy. I didn’t say I hated them either. If an Evangelical simply came up to me and started conversation or something, I would never know they were an Evangelical unless they told me (or started preaching to me, or threatened me, &c). But once they tell me their ideology, I have to frame it in terms of where that ideology leads.

Evangelicals in this country have a long history of killing people they don’t like. (African-Americans, abortion proponents, Muslims, Catholics, pretty much anyone not in the subset “Evangelical.”) While I can’t say what percentage would take my rights away from me, I have President Geo. HW Bush’s remark “I don’t think atheists can be patriotic nor should be citizens.” (While I was in the Navy not being patriotic.)

If an Evangelical president can say that about a significant fraction of the Armed Forces (and by extension though he didn’t say it, Gold Star Families), how many of his followers think the same?

Dinner’s up, gotta go.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:57:28pm

re: #197 Ziggy_TARDIS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:57:36pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

If I misread you AM, I apologize but I really want Ziggy to get over his group guilt association. It’s something that to his credit he’s worked on but still needs to improve on. I just want him to show the same respect to people in other groups that people should show him as an American Muslim.

It’s also something that has run the risk of getting him banned here and I do want to keep that from happening. PLL is on thin ice with Charles right now, so I’m trying to call things to his attention before they reach a problematic level.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:58:13pm

I believe Trump was elected because of a failure of the imagination. Nobody could imagine someone so transparently, blatantly, continually dishonest becoming popular. Nobody could imagine him surviving insulting a former POW. Nobody could imagine a serial adulterer who followed no real Conservative ideology becoming popular with the Religious Right. Nobody could imagine he’d survive attacking a Gold Star family. Nobody could imagine he’d survive the release of the ‘pussy grabbing’ video and the accusations that followed it.

Nobody could imagine he’d be elected President, outside of a bad joke or a Simpsons episode.

But he did.

Now, Chris Hayes can’t imagine that what’s in the infamous Oppo dossier could be true.

What I learned in the election is that Everything I Know Is Wrong. I no longer allow myself to think, “Nah, that couldn’t be!”, when it comes to Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 4:59:39pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

If Trump had the common sense God gave the lemming, he’d have waited for this whole memo business to blow over or kept his involvement with it to a “We’ll wait for the investigation to finish.” But he couldn’t help it, his ego wouldn’t allow him to let it go by unaddressed, so now we watch as he’s (again) stuck fighting a rearguard action where every time one of his spokesweasels tries to make it go away, they get caught in another lie.

Since this nonsense seems to be working for Trump so far, I’ll make a special point of resisting the obvious conclusion that this is somehow damaging to Trump and the Republicans. That would be application of rational thinking to US politics, which may have become a category error by now.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:01:18pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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I believe Trump was elected because of a failure of the imagination. Nobody could imagine someone so transparently, blatantly, continually dishonest becoming popular. Nobody could imagine him surviving insulting a former POW. Nobody could imagine a serial adulterer who followed no real Conservative ideology becoming popular with the Religious Right. Nobody could imagine he’d survive attacking a Gold Star family. Nobody could imagine he’d survive the release of the ‘pussy grabbing’ video and the accusations that followed it.

Nobody could imagine he’d be elected President, outside of a bad joke or a Simpsons episode.

But he did.

Now, Chris Hayes can’t imagine that what’s in the infamous Oppo dossier could be true.

What I learned in the election is that Everything I Know Is Wrong. I no longer allow myself to think, “Nah, that couldn’t be!”, when it comes to Trump.

As I saw noted at Fark (of all places) yesterday, while all the detractors and skeptics are attacking the dossier on a number of grounds, one seems to be getting little attention: Nobody is actually arguing that Trump would not engage in such actions. There is nobody other than Trump himself who has tried to argue that hiring prostitutes to piss on a mattress that Obama once slept on is so out of character for Trump as to be impossible. Which says that even his supporters realize the man is so petty and egotistical that he would stoop to such behavior.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:03:52pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Nobody could imagine a serial adulterer who followed no real Conservative ideology becoming popular with the Religious Right.

They do love a successful bully.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:04:15pm

re: #299 Anymouse

I didn’t say Evangelical=Enemy. I didn’t say I hated them either. If an Evangelical simply came up to me and started conversation or something, I would never know they were an Evangelical unless they told me (or started preaching to me, or threatened me, &c). But once they tell me their ideology, I have to frame it in terms of where that ideology leads.

Evangelicals in this country have a long history of killing people they don’t like. (African-Americans, abortion proponents, Muslims, Catholics, pretty much anyone not in the subset “Evangelical.”) While I can’t say what percentage would take my rights away from me, I have President Geo. HW Bush’s remark “I don’t think atheists can be patriotic nor should be citizens.” (While I was in the Navy not being patriotic.)

If an Evangelical president can say that about a significant fraction of the Armed Forces (and by extension though he didn’t say it, Gold Star Families), how many of his followers think the same?

Dinner’s up, gotta go.

Okay, you don’t but Zig certainly has viewed them like enemies in the past. And fwiw Bush I isn’t an Evangelical Christian. Doesn’t make his bigoted and stupid statement better but since you’re using it to shape your perception of Evangelicals. As I said I’m no fan of them either but I still ultimately do believe in treating people as individuals. You bring up their hostility towards African Americans, one can just as easily cite the role of northern Evangelicals in the abolition movement and believe me as someone from a Catholic family, I’m well aware of their intolerant history to them. My point is why should you be able to judge someone for their group and not be wrong but someone who does the same to Muslims and non believers isn’t. Take it easy but my message was really aimed at Ziggy who has been making generalized statements long before you joined lgf.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:06:53pm

re: #301 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s also something that has run the risk of getting him banned here and I do want to keep that from happening. PLL is on thin ice with Charles right now, so I’m trying to call things to his attention before they reach a problematic level.

Exactly that too. I seldom see Charles have to call a user out but a lot of us have seen Charles do it with PLL. I understand PLL’s frustrations. Him and I are slot alike but just as I have to call our another Aspie I know who constantly whines about “how easy” women have it, I think it’s fair to keep Ziggyveven keeled too.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:09:23pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

Since this nonsense seems to be working for Trump so far, I’ll make a special point of resisting the obvious conclusion that this is somehow damaging to Trump and the Republicans. That would be application of rational thinking to US politics, which may have become a category error by now.

I rather think we’re all too focused on the wrong metrics. We’re used to measuring the damage of a scandal like this by how many are willing to stand with the politician at the center versus who is running for cover. A better metric might be to look at the fact that Trump was barely at 50% approval on Election Night and has been falling ever since. Millions of folks who voted for him on the “I don’t know why I hate Hillary but I do” argument are abandoning him now that they realize he’s a walking dumpster fire.

The party’s not visibly breaking ranks with Trump, but they are beginning to feel the heat and its showing in Congress. While Senator Turtle is making a lot of noise about pushing through nominees without delay, the rank and file are holding their feet to the fire. It may be for show or it may be out of actual conviction, but the fact that hearings are being moved back and tough questions are being asked should be taken as a sign that even the GOP sees long-term problems with a Trump presidency that they don’t want to be associated with.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:09:31pm

A semi-pro skier friend of mine in Crested Butte said it was the best day ever on skis today. When this guy says “best day ever on skis” it’s “tell your grandkids about it many years later” kind of skiing. Might need to make a trip down there.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:09:40pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:12:11pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

Ah. Another one who thinks he is more christian than the Pope. ::: shudder :::

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:13:54pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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Where do these dumbasses come from? Lol “hold Hillary Clinton accountable for hate of Christians@ from someone who probably loves the guy whose life mocks everything Christ taught.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:14:30pm

re: #311 PhillyPretzel

Ah. Another one who thinks he is more christian than the Pope. ::: shudder :::

Well, unlike the Pope, he still hates all the right people. And isn’t that what Christianity is about?
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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:15:10pm

re: #308 Targetpractice


The party’s not visibly breaking ranks with Trump, but they are beginning to feel the heat and its showing in Congress. While Senator Turtle is making a lot of noise about pushing through nominees without delay, the rank and file are holding their feet to the fire. It may be for show or it may be out of actual conviction, but the fact that hearings are being moved back and tough questions are being asked should be taken as a sign that even the GOP sees long-term problems with a Trump presidency that they don’t want to be associated with.

In a way, that’s almost worse to me, because they’ll puff up their chests (think Rubio and Graham), get a little good press, but in the end will vote exactly along party lines. Then they’ll whine, “Well, we asked tough questions and they answered them” so it’s all good. As long as they (the legislative Republicans) get to do what they want, they don’t really give a crap who’s in the cabinet and/or how much damage they’ll do. MOO/YMMV

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:15:31pm

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, unlike the Pope, he still hates all the right people. And isn’t that what Christianity is about?
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And Jesus said “Hate thy brother for there’s something wrong with him and he smells like bird poo.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:15:46pm

LOLWUT

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:16:08pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Where do these dumbasses come from? Lol “hold Hillary Clinton accountable for hate of Christians@ from someone who probably loves the guy whose life mocks everything Christ taught.

Hillary is a Methodist. Trust me on this: Bible-thumping Christians believe all Methodists will burn in hell.

Heck, just recall that recruiting scene from Blazing Saddles.

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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:16:21pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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Hillary hates Christians? I did not know that!

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:16:39pm

re: #301 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s also something that has run the risk of getting him banned here and I do want to keep that from happening. PLL is on thin ice with Charles right now, so I’m trying to call things to his attention before they reach a problematic level.

I try to stay out of the whole thing but I can see him getting into trouble posting the wrong thing in the wrong place. And I’m not talking about getting banned anywhere. But I have no idea how to get him to chill out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:16:47pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Gosh she’s an idiot.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:16:52pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary is a Methodist. Trust me on this: Bible-thumping Christians believe all Methodists will burn in hell.

Heck, just recall that recruiting scene from Blazing Saddles.

It’s all the potlucks. You can’t trust anyone who can go to a potluck.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:17:58pm

re: #265 darthstar

There’s also this one for those into the Trump pee stuff
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:18:36pm

re: #321 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s all the potlucks. You can’t trust anyone who can go to a potluck.

It’s all of those green bean casseroles and, omg, the jello molded salads…

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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:18:44pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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I do believe she is the dumbest of the dumb (and that right there is quite an accomplishment.)

There are more “panel laughs at McInidiot” headlines than I can count.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:18:56pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Where do these dumbasses come from? Lol “hold Hillary Clinton accountable for hate of Christians@ from someone who probably loves the guy whose life mocks everything Christ taught.

The Bible consists solely of the OT, a few miracles by Jesus from the Gospels, Acts, the Epistles, and Revelation. The Gospels say things like ‘Blessed are the meek’, and ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ and that camel and the eye of a needle stuff. All that stuff that makes Jesus out to be some kinda hippy, instead of the asskicking, gay-hating, hippy-stomper they imagine him to be.

Remember Erick Son Of Erick and ‘Jesus could throw a punch’?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:10pm

re: #319 MsJ

I try to stay out of the whole thing but I can see him getting into trouble posting the wrong thing in the wrong place. And I’m not talking about getting banned anywhere. But I have no idea how to get him to chill out.

Right. I mean I think he honestly does mean well but I really think he’d be so much better off not feeling the need to rage at someone simply because of their group.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:24pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s all of those green bean casseroles and, omg, the jello molded salads…

Oh man, the best one was the kind that was creamy and light green and I never did learn how to make it and now I has a sad. :(

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:30pm

re: #286 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

(((Jeff Furling))) @FurlingtonJeff
@frankgaffney Did you have the same feelings about Obama? If not, people might think you’re a partisan hack. You wouldn’t want that.
7:44 PM - 12 Jan 2017

I don’t know. Gaffney may be very satisfied being a partisan hack. It is very popular and it pays.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:40pm

STFU Billo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:50pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Details, details!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:19:56pm

re: #273 Anymouse

I want to note though, Colorado Springs has plummeted in livability.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:21:16pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

STFU Billo

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Says the guy who never missed an opportunity to attack Obama over trivial bullshit. There’s a report that says POTUS is compromised and this shitbird is whining about society.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:21:44pm

re: #331 Ziggy_TARDIS

I want to note though, Colorado Springs has plummeted in livability.

Broadbrush blanket opinion once again.
Just stop it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:22:20pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh man, the best one was the kind that was creamy and light green and I never did learn how to make it and now I has a sad. :(

I admit it, I did like doing Sunday mass sometimes with my ultra Catholic friends because pancake breakfasts!

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:22:20pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s great when he refers to himself in the third person as “Talking Points.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:22:28pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

That’s me now by the way.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:22:57pm

“Personal Opinions” agrees with me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:23:03pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

Man. F him.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:24:29pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m talking without any sort of religious angle. The Crime rate has gone up, and the parks have turned into a mess. The Low-Tax Paradise is proving not to be.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:24:35pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:00pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

STFU Billo

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Here’s what I don’t get - the whole idea that pointing out bad behavior is actually worse for ‘the fabric of the nation’ than the bad behavior.

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:01pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh man, the best one was the kind that was creamy and light green and I never did learn how to make it and now I has a sad. :(

Lime jello and cream cheese whipped together. Usually has pineapple.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:02pm

I really don’t need a twice settled sexual harasser lecturing me about what a society should and shouldn’t do.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:24pm

re: #341 Ace Rothstein

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BillO didn’t care bout that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:40pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

And Domestic Abuser.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:46pm

re: #340 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m talking without any sort of religious angle. The Crime rate has gone up, and the parks have turned into a mess. The Low-Tax Paradise is proving not to be.

Doesn’t matter. It’s just not true.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:25:54pm

After years of chasing every rumor and nameless “source” for bad info on the Clintons and the Obamas, the wingnuts of America are suddenly up in arms about unsourced rumors and angry that people are not taking Trump’s word that it’s all “fake.”

Quickly, bring me my clutchin’ pearls and faintin’ couch.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:01pm

Calling a doctor who does a legitimate medical procedure a murderer didn’t help either.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:17pm

re: #343 allegro

Lime jello and cream cheese whipped together. Usually has pineapple.

Do you let the jello set and then whip it with the cream cheese? Or before?

I think I’ve had it both with and without pineapple and like it either way. I am going to have to try this.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:20pm

re: #297 teleskiguy

25 pounds of explosives. This was filmed last year near Ophir Pass, CO.

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Video

OMG!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:24pm

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

And Domestic Abuser.

Aye.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:35pm

Fuck Trevor Bauer. And I wanted to like the guy.

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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:26:37pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s what I don’t get - the whole idea that pointing out bad behavior is actually worse for ‘the fabric of the nation’ than the bad behavior.

The right wing pendulum has swung back to “deficits are good and criticizing the president is treason” again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:27:08pm

re: #340 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m talking without any sort of religious angle. The Crime rate has gone up, and the parks have turned into a mess. The Low-Tax Paradise is proving not to be.

Well then, clearly the problem is that we haven’t cut taxes enough yet.
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:27:53pm

re: #343 allegro

Lime jello and cream cheese whipped together. Usually has pineapple.

Around here we add chopped nuts (either walnuts or pecans) and chopped celery. It’s a local favorite, and kids will eat it right out of the bowl, if you are not careful.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:28:12pm

re: #353 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Fuck Trevor Bauer. And I want to like the guy.

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Now you know how I felt when Luke Scott revealed himself to be a birther. You’re a Stros fan iirc so you might remember him.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:28:25pm

re: #219 unproven innocence

I’ve watched several of Timothy Snyder’s videos. Of particular interest was his notion that the One Thing that was the biggest factor in mortality rates for Jews in Europe during WW2 was how consistently or inconsistentlly they were considered to be members of a nation-state —a formality/convention under which citizens enjoy certain measures of protection by default. THIS has direct lessons for ALL the immigration/refugee issues now under consideration, everywhere. And it speaks of the worst aspects of “security” measures like the Patriot Act.

Yeah, I don’t think people understand that the death camps were mostly located in the essentially lawless zone of Poland (though millions were also killed by gun in the lawlessness created by war before the camps were created). As Dr. Snyder made clear: the Germans were people of law and order. Can’t have that kind of thing happen too much on home turf.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:28:37pm

re: #355 Blind Frog Belly White

Your sarc tags took away my ability to make a joke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:28:43pm

re: #356 retired cynic

Around here we add chopped nuts (either walnuts or pecans) and chopped celery. It’s a local favorite, and kids will eat it right out of the bowl, if you are not careful.

Celery is what I remember about that whipped green jello salad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:28:47pm

re: #356 retired cynic

Around here we add chopped nuts (either walnuts or pecans) and chopped celery. It’s a local favorite, and kids will eat it right out of the bowl, if you are not careful.

One wonders if that stuff may be the root of all our problems.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:29:14pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

Celery is what I remember about that whipped green jello salad.

I could get on board with this concept.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:29:20pm

re: #359 Ziggy_TARDIS

Your sarc tags took away my ability to make a joke.

What, permanently?
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:30:17pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:30:18pm

In light of some of the discussion above.

I think it need be said there is a line to designate where some “religions” become cults.

Pretty good list of them…but notable were people like David Koresh and the Branch Davidians and the famous Waco People’s Temple and the Feds, Jeffrey Lundgren and the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who killed a family from their own “religion” in Kirtland Ohio.

They all thought they were involved in a religion, even following a savior. But that was a “religion” that got totally distorted and led to killings.

And now that I bring up “cult” wouldn’t the term also be usable for defining a group like ISIS? Just like my examples…it is a distortion of a religion that turns into something far from that religion. I don’t think I have ever seen the words associated. Maybe people would get their heads around not having to say “radical Islamic terrorists” and just say a murderous cult and take it out of religion.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:31:01pm

re: #224 Belafon

Some other authors have joined Rick Riordan in not being honored by the Texas legislature: dailykos.com.

We have shelf full of his books. Gonna raise a glass to him tonight.

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gocart mozart  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:31:17pm
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Unabogie  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:31:17pm

Step one in starting a war of choice, sideline the intelligence professionals and install your own people, loyal only to you. Especially if their contracts and livelihoods depend on giving your the “intelligence” you want and not what you don’t.

gizmodo.com

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

A stochastic murderer like Bill O’Reilly is the last person on earth that should be bleating about “the kind of stuff that is harming the fabric of our society.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:32:39pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

Celery is what I remember about that whipped green jello salad.

“Salad”. That’s one of those things they call a ‘salad’ that makes you think it’s healthy or something, when it’s really not, like Potato Salad, or Macaroni Salad.

“Hey, let’s take something starchy, and cover it with a bunch of mayonnaise!”

“God, I’d eat that all day! But all the starch! All the fat! People will realize it’s not healthy!”

“Right, so we add some some chopped onions and celery, and call it…SALAD!!!!”

“BRILLIANT!!!”

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:33:36pm

re: #350 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Do you let the jello set and then whip it with the cream cheese? Or before?

I think I’ve had it both with and without pineapple and like it either way. I am going to have to try this.

Haven’t done it in like… okay a REAL long time but… let your cheese soften and allow the jello to stiffen but not be entirely “done”. Whip ‘em up together with a hand mixer (stick blender would probly work fine) adding a little cheese at a time so you don’t gum up the mixer blades. Add some crushed pineapple and/or other fruit and put it in a mold. Fridge to set.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:34:04pm

re: #362 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I could get on board with this concept.

more bad ugly retro food at badanduglyofretrofood.com

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:34:39pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

That may be the most wrong about everything Twitter bio I’ve ever seen.

I hope someone this that as a challenge and shows me something even more fractally delusional.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:34:50pm

Funny OT tweet, might be NSFW. (Mildly.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:35:08pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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more bad ugly retro food at badanduglyofretrofood.com

Yeah, there’s a reason why you don’t find that in cookbooks much these days.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:35:44pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

…now that’s pushing it, although not quite as far as the tuna jello salad.

re: #371 allegro

You are a saint among women.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:35:49pm

re: #374 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Funny OT tweet, might be NSFW. (Mildly.)

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Nice titties errrr cities.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:36:58pm

We do have a jello salad with pineapple and cream cheese. I like that but with celery and or tuna, uh nope.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:37:05pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Nice titties errrr cities.

“I’d like two pickets to Ti….I mean two TICKETS to PITTSburgh.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:37:08pm

Family favorite jello salad for holidays is orange with crushed pineapple and shredded carrots. Mmmm.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:37:31pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

If Trump had the common sense God gave the lemming, he’d have waited for this whole memo business to blow over or kept his involvement with it to a “We’ll wait for the investigation to finish.” But he couldn’t help it, his ego wouldn’t allow him to let it go by unaddressed, so now we watch as he’s (again) stuck fighting a rearguard action where every time one of his spokesweasels tries to make it go away, they get caught in another lie.

Just another “small hands” issue with The Don.

Who else would carry on an almost two decade war with an author and a magazine over a comment and then get bent when it was mentioned in the GOP debates.

He can not leave anything go. Anything!

“Russian Hack” has passed into that same area for him. Say those words and he is going to go off.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:38:02pm

Has Harry Shearer always lived at the corner of wingnut and moonbat?

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:38:09pm
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:38:16pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, no. Mold too far!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:39:36pm

re: #382 Barefoot Grin

Has Harry Shearer always lived at the corner of wingnut and moonbat?

Not sure. I feel certain he never liked Bush. I think he’s more dudebro moonbat than eingnut, could be wrong tho.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:39:41pm

re: #384 retired cynic

Oh, no. Mold too far!

And no tuna.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:39:47pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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I believe Trump was elected because of a failure of the imagination. Nobody could imagine someone so transparently, blatantly, continually dishonest becoming popular. Nobody could imagine him surviving insulting a former POW. Nobody could imagine a serial adulterer who followed no real Conservative ideology becoming popular with the Religious Right. Nobody could imagine he’d survive attacking a Gold Star family. Nobody could imagine he’d survive the release of the ‘pussy grabbing’ video and the accusations that followed it.

Nobody could imagine he’d be elected President, outside of a bad joke or a Simpsons episode.

But he did.

Now, Chris Hayes can’t imagine that what’s in the infamous Oppo dossier could be true.

What I learned in the election is that Everything I Know Is Wrong. I no longer allow myself to think, “Nah, that couldn’t be!”, when it comes to Trump.

Overall, I like Chris…but he sure can go off and say some strange head-shaking stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:40:40pm

re: #380 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Family favorite jello salad for holidays is orange with crushed pineapple and shredded carrots. Mmmm.

Mom did not go for that sort of thing. Jello we had mostly without stuff in it, or AT MOST drained Fruit Salad. Jello mold salads were definitely a Fellowship Dinner at church thing. There’s be 3 or 4 different ones. Mostly canned fruit (canned pear halves in cherry Jello were my favorite), but also some with carrot shreds. And some of the murky green stuff, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:40:50pm

re: #386 retired cynic

And no tuna.

Tuna belongs on a grill, not in jello. End of story.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:40:53pm

I am liking Nancy LeTourneau more and more. This is uplifting.

washingtonmonthly.com

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:40:58pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Multiple recipes can be found online.

< shudder>

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:41:47pm

re: #391 Resistance Is Not Futile

Multiple recipes can be found online.

< shudder>

Found the non-Methodist. ;)

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gocart mozart  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:41:55pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:41:56pm

re: #387 ObserverArt

Overall, I like Chris…but he sure can go off and say some strange head-shaking stuff.

I just feel like he’s too limited by the expectation of some kind of normalcy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:42:47pm

re: #393 gocart mozart

You don’t say?

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:43:05pm

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

MATT. STOLLER. IS. A. FUCKING. IDIOT. AND. THIS. ARTICLE. IS. A. FESTERING. HOT. PILE. OF. GARBAGE.

I think there are legit criticisms of the Obama administration from the left on economic issues. The fact that there were no real consequences for the banks after they went wild to cause the financial crisis cannot be ignored.

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Bear  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:44:37pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

Oh s***t !

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petesh  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:47:24pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

Since this nonsense seems to be working for Trump so far …

Lowest approval ratings (37%) of any President-elect. Of course the media looks for and finds Trump voters who say he’s fine, but his support is notably decreasing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:47:40pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I admit it, I did like doing Sunday mass sometimes with my ultra Catholic friends because pancake breakfasts!

Heh, my Catholic church had a doughnut making machine. The ladies from the school cafeteria operated it. My mother was on the staff for a few years.

Nothing like nice hot doughnuts after church…$1.50 a dozen in the church basement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:48:42pm

re: #399 ObserverArt

Heh, my Catholic church had a doughnut making machine. The ladies from the school cafeteria operated it. My mother was on the staff for a few years.

Nothing like nice hot doughnuts after church…$1.50 a dozen in the church basement.

mmmmmmmm …hot doughnuts…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:49:14pm

re: #398 petesh

I think some in the media want him to succeed because he is one of them.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:50:09pm

Sigh. Now I have to go make jello. PLAIN.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:52:57pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Not sure. I feel certain he never liked Bush. I think he’s more dudebro moonbat than eingnut, could be wrong tho.

I remember a really funny skit he did on “Le Show” about teaching John Kerry to give short, snappy answers in the debates through electrical shocks in prep. He just seems really bitter. Maybe you’re right—Bernie bro?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:52:59pm

re: #396 EPR-radar

I think there are legit criticisms of the Obama administration from the left on economic issues. The fact that there were no real consequences for the banks after they went wild to cause the financial crisis cannot be ignored.

Obama was limited in what he could accomplish because FUCKING REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTION.

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gocart mozart  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:53:10pm

re: #255 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The Colfax massacre, or Colfax riot as the events are termed on the 1950 state historic marker, occurred on Easter Sunday, April 13, 1873, in Colfax, Louisiana, the seat of Grant Parish, during confrontation between opposing political forces of the Republicans and Democrats.

In the wake of the contested 1872 election for governor of Louisiana and local offices, a group of white Democrats, armed with rifles and a small cannon, overpowered Republican freedmen and state militia (also black) trying to protect the Grant Parish courthouse in Colfax;[1][2] white Republican officeholders were not attacked. Most of the freedmen were killed after they surrendered; nearly 50 were killed later that night after being held as prisoners for several hours. Estimates of the number of dead have varied, ranging from 62 to 153; three whites died but the number of black victims was difficult to determine because bodies had been thrown into the river or removed for burial. There were rumors of mass graves at the site.

Historian Eric Foner described the massacre as the worst instance of racial violence during Reconstruction.[1] In Louisiana, it had the highest fatalities of any of the numerous violent events following the disputed gubernatorial contest in 1872 between Republicans and Democrats. Foner wrote, “…every election [in Louisiana] between 1868 and 1876 was marked by rampant violence and pervasive fraud.”[3] Although the Fusionist-dominated state “returning board,” which ruled on vote validity, initially declared John McEnery and his Democratic slate the winners, the board eventually split, with a faction declaring Republican William P. Kellogg the victor. A Republican federal judge in New Orleans ruled that the Republican-majority legislature be seated. en.wikipedia.org

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:53:22pm

re: #398 petesh

Lowest approval ratings (37%) of any President-elect. Of course the media looks for and finds Trump voters who say he’s fine, but his support is notably decreasing.

Stuff like this isn’t real unless it translates into GOP losses in the 2018 elections and/or Republican disunity and failure on their horrible agenda between now and then.

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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:56:40pm

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

Obama was limited in what he could accomplish because FUCKING REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTION.

True. However, it was also true that no attempts were made to bring any criminal charges vs. bankers, leading to the absurd result that (IIRC) the W Bush administration had more criminal cases vs. bankers than the Obama administration.

If Republican obstruction is inevitable, it has to be made visible so that there’s a chance of being able to place blame on the Republicans going forward.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:57:24pm

It’s pouring down rain here (.67 inch so far today) and 64F.
Temperature is supposed to drop around freezing overnight.

This sucks.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:57:48pm

re: #367 gocart mozart

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:58:53pm

re: #409 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

It was good for their wallets. That’s what is important, after all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:59:01pm

So, Trump said he would “donate” his foreign hotel profits to the U.S. Treasury. Does that mean he also gets to reimburse himself when his foreign hotels go bankrupt?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 5:59:23pm
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petesh  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:03:39pm

re: #406 EPR-radar

Stuff like this isn’t real unless it translates into GOP losses in the 2018 elections and/or Republican disunity and failure on their horrible agenda between now and then.

Hammering away at the fact that Trump’s support is limited and decreasing is a good thing. At a minimum, it may help persuade the Dems in Congress not to compromise — last night’s Senate vote being unanimous is excellent (even though winning is better). Keep taking baby steps …

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:03:59pm

I think this is cool.

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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:04:02pm

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:04:44pm

re: #414 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s a great looking coin.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:05:55pm

re: #416 jaunte

That’s a great looking coin.

It is, and it’s going to trigger a lot of stupid people. Grab the popcorn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:06:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:06:47pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:07:41pm

re: #414 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“…U.S. Mint Artistic Infusion Program designer Justin Kunz created the portrait while U.S. Mint Sculptor-Engraver Phebe Hemphill sculpted it. Their initials, JK and PH, appear on the design along with surrounding inscriptions of LIBERTY, the years 1792 and 2017, and the motto IN GOD WE TRUST.”
coinnews.net

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:09:15pm
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bratwurst  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:12:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:14:40pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:17:13pm
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:17:43pm

re: #423 Charles Johnson

Cultural Marxism. The tell.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:18:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:18:53pm

“cultural marxist agenda”?

Do they just take scary sounding words and mash them together to make scary sounding phrases? Like “Gay Intellectual Newsmedia”, or “Feminist Multicultural Botulism”?

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:19:48pm

Chris Cillizza is a choad.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:20:29pm

re: #414 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think this is cool.

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Hmmm.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:21:04pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

And it says, “Let’s make the world great again together.”

Codominium, anyone?

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:21:23pm

re: #429 ObserverArt

Hmmm.

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Absolutely. My thought as well.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:22:06pm
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:22:34pm

re: #428 teleskiguy

Chris Cillizza is a choad.

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Paul Ryan is the most insincere sounding jerk outside of Mitch McConnell, or Ted Cruz, or Rand Paul, or….

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:26:51pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:27:14pm

re: #428 teleskiguy

I think Cillizza might be a narcissist or sociopath. He shows no ability of self-reflection, and no ability to empathize.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:28:19pm

re: #255 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

“were slain” - love the passive voice, like it just happened, you know? Who can say how such things just happen?

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:30:19pm

re: #428 teleskiguy

Chris Cillizza is a choad.

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The jerk never did answer my one email to him. I guess he really couldn’t explain his hard-on for Hillary’s emails and how after all the investigation it came down to 3 emails in question, 2 that were not even classified when received and one that was not labeled classified because the marking were missed in the text and it didn’t have a proper header.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:31:30pm

re: #260 Shiplord Kirel

Right - just letting it sit out there indicates at least a passive municipal approval.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:36:31pm

Because of course it will.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:43:23pm

re: #427 Blind Frog Belly White

This plus the Frankfort School conspiracy theory.

Don’t it feel great to know that the John Birch Society cribbed a Nazi meme, and years later it sporulated on the internet?

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:44:22pm

There are currently 60 likes.

*sigh*

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:46:56pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:49:38pm
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Maddies Mom  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:51:19pm

re: #374 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Funny OT tweet, might be NSFW. (Mildly.)

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Hey!!!! That’s the TV station I work at!!!!!!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:51:59pm

re: #444 Maddies Mom

Hey!!!! That’s the TV station I work at!!!!!!

They did a great job. Two …thumbs… up!

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:52:46pm

re: #443 jaunte

OK, add Chaffetz do my list of nasty whiners. Ima gonna give him a piece of my mind. Preferably the part that is disabled with a sinus infection…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:53:47pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:54:26pm

Old and tired: Caesar’s wife. New hotness: attacking the ethics watchdog.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:56:30pm
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:56:35pm

Heh. Chaffetz wants your zip code to check you are in his district, before he will check your email.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:57:50pm

BIG FRIEND OF ISRAEL YEAH RIGHT

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 6:59:29pm

re: #449 jaunte

When will actual friendly nations hack anything Trump to save us?

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:01:19pm

re: #451 The Vicious Babushka

BIG FRIEND OF ISRAEL YEAH RIGHT

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Yeah… but I doubt it needed saying.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:03:19pm

re: #450 retired cynic

Heh. Chaffetz wants your zip code to check you are in his district, before he will check your email.

And his voice mailbox is full, the Honorable Chaffetz…. He is full of it.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:04:18pm

re: #452 GlutenFreeJesus

When will actual friendly nations hack anything Trump to save us?

No shit! C’mon Australia! C’mon Germany! The fate of civilization hangs in the balance.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:05:43pm

re: #451 The Vicious Babushka

Somwhere, someone’s getting super excited about Russia and Iran being Gog and Magog.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:08:33pm

This happened in Oct. 2015 in Evanston, IL. where Northwestern Univ. is and it’s just now on the news here in Chicago. Watch the video.

And we are supposed to believe that all one has to do to stay out of trouble is to do whatever the cops say. Yeah. Sorry but that’s not necessarily true.

google.com

P.S. Nobody is shot or killed.

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:08:57pm

re: #456 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Somwhere, someone’s getting super excited about Russia and Iran being Gog and Magog.

stop freaking me out. thnx

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:11:51pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:13:46pm

re: #459 FormerDirtDart

Rudy is such a shitbird.

Trump wants to turn the US press into the Mouth of Trump. He’s 95% of the way there on Faux News, and about halfway there on the rest of the media.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:16:59pm

re: #459 FormerDirtDart

Oh fuck.

We’re going to see some kind of attempt at dicking with the free press, because anything that isn’t supportive is “biased.”

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:18:20pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:21:44pm

re: #461 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Oh fuck.

We’re going to see some kind of attempt at dicking with the free press, because anything that isn’t supportive is “biased.”

FOX News becomes United States News Bureau. No other TV stations are allowed news or commentary programming. No political humor or drama or any shows can mention politics and politicians.

Morning TV is mandatory Trump and Friends at 7 AM Eastern…all citizens WILL watch.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:23:43pm

Washington Post: David Ignatius on Flynn and the Russians:

“…According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions?”
washingtonpost.com

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:30:17pm

re: #457 GlutenFreeJesus

This happened in Oct. 2015 in Evanston, IL. where Northwestern Univ. is and it’s just now on the news here in Chicago. Watch the video.

And we are supposed to believe that all one has to do to stay out of trouble is to do whatever the cops say. Yeah. Sorry but that’s not necessarily true.

google.com

P.S. Nobody is shot or killed.

Dude had his own dash cam.

Sigh.

Hope he gets millions.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:30:21pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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Why would anyone be held responsible for hating Christians anyways? We can hate whoever we want. Scary and delusional.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:32:14pm

Been in Tokyo just 12 hours and already felt my first tremor, about a 3. Felt like I was in a house made of rubber.
jma.go.jp

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:32:59pm

re: #467 wheat-dogg

Been in Tokyo just 12 hours and already felt my first tremor, about a 3. Felt like I was in a house made of rubber.
jma.go.jp

Man, it took me 3 visits to feel an earthquake in Japan.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:35:47pm

it’s One America News Network (whatever the fuck that is)

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CuriousLurker  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:37:37pm

I’m on my way to bed, just stopped by to drop off a list of hateful-filled nasty little vipers I ran across who were responding to the first one’s tweet earlier in the day about a Martin Luther toy that a professor felt was antisemitic:

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G’nite, lizards.

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Skip Intro  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:37:38pm

Republicans have no interest in investigating ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Mr. Burr dismissed calls for a new committee that would be able to probe possible contacts between Russians and Mr. Trump’s campaign because, he said, no one has been able to corroborate information in a dossier that said Russian government operatives had engaged in an extensive conspiracy with advisers to the president-elect’s campaign.
“The only accusations that there were contacts were in a document that the media has had for over three months,” Mr. Burr said. “If you believe that that document is important, then prove it. Until there’s proof out there that there was contact, this is speculation.”

From the WSJ.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:38:22pm

re: #468 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, it took me 3 visits to feel an earthquake in Japan.

I’m hoping this one is the extent of my experiences, earthquake-wise.

In other travel-related news, my son was supposed to arrive today, but hahahaha! he didn’t bother to check his passport until Wednesday night, and you know what? His passport expired in March. So, he’s now planning to arrive Saturday after he gets a 24-hour rush on a renewal.

My son, the engineer, the Boilermaker, about as absent-minded as his dad, the physics teacher, the Ivy Leaguer. lol

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:39:54pm

re: #472 wheat-dogg

I’m hoping this one is the extent of my experiences, earthquake-wise.

In other travel-related news, my son was supposed to arrive today, but hahahaha! he didn’t bother to check his passport until Wednesday night, and you know what? His passport expired in March. So, he’s now planning to arrive Saturday after he gets a 24-hour rush on a renewal.

My son, the engineer, the Boilermaker, about as absent-minded as his dad, the physics teacher, the Ivy Leaguer. lol

Whoops!

My experience in Japan suggests that it like will be, but you never know. On the plus side, their engineering for buildings is top notch. I’d much rather be there than, say, Seattle during a big one.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:41:07pm

re: #468 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, it took me 3 visits to feel an earthquake in Japan.

I never got used to it. But sometimes it was the jet fighters from Misawa.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:42:14pm

re: #474 Barefoot Grin

I never got used to it. But sometimes it was the jet fighters from Misawa.

I haven’t made it up there yet. Maybe next trip.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:42:50pm

re: #462 jaunte

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Dying!!!

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:44:17pm

I felt a 2.5 earthquake visiting my sister when she lived in Mountain View, CA. She flew me out to the Bay Area for my 21st birthday and I was basically a tourist for a week, good times.

We were in the courtyard of their place grilling. My sister got all excited, “Charlie, you get to feel an earthquake! Stand up, right now!” By that time she’d been living in the Bay Area six years.

Sure enough, the ground was shaking ever so slightly. I remember thinking “she made me stand up for that?”

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:44:35pm

re: #471 Skip Intro

Republicans have no interest in investigating ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.

From the WSJ.

Did ANYBODY in the article point out that the only way to prove any of it is with INVESTIGATION?

Or does it only matter if the evidence falls from the sky?

P.S. what sort of Benghazi evidence was there to justify 7 investigations by 7 special committees?

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

OT: “Taking the Stage” is on TV tonight, don’t know if it’ll be online tomorrow. A music and dance gala to celebrate the opening of the African-American Museum.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:46:53pm
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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:47:43pm

re: #480 FormerDirtDart

What a JERK!

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:48:00pm

re: #465 Stanley Sea

Dude had his own dash cam.

Sigh.

Hope he gets millions.

Outside of the black guy/cop exchange… I find the woman’s story, the one who called 911, to be the most interesting part of this and one really worthy of discussion. I doubt her call was racially motivated (though not denying that it may have played some role). She saw a guy who appeared to be trying to break into a car - he was doing something to it. What would any of us do? What’s the right thing?

For a woman alone to stop and ask, “hey, is that your car?” and invite a confrontation with a strange man who might already be committing a crime? No. Just no.

IMO, she did the right thing though very aware of the consequences of possibly fucking that guy up, thus the apology along with the report. The cops alone are responsible for their assault on the man.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:49:02pm

Deep shit getting deeper

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Scout  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:50:29pm

re: #467 wheat-dogg

Been in Tokyo just 12 hours and already felt my first tremor, about a 3. Felt like I was in a house made of rubber.
jma.go.jp

I’m sure you already know this, but that’s a 3 on the Japanese intensity scale. It is not the same as “magnitude” as you see reported in Western media.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:53:15pm

re: #480 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah nearly 50 years of service in the government either as Senate and VP with numerous legislation such as the Violence Against Women Act, Americans With Disabilities Act,, totally doesn’t deserve it. What a fucking asshole. People will remember Joe Biden, years from now, Timmy. Most people now don’t even know who the hell you are.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:53:15pm

For anybody who missed it… in last night’s monologue, Colbert had a *lot* of fun with the Trump waterworks story.

cbs.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:53:56pm

re: #483 Stanley Sea

Deep shit getting deeper

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Fucking Flynn. As I said, he’s probably the worst part of the Trump admin after Trump himself.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:54:18pm

re: #482 allegro

Out downtown about a year ago, we saw a fight break out on the street. I called 911 in that situation, as you do, but there was definitely a voice in the back of my head that questioned whether that was 100% the right course of action, since one of the participants was black.

Thankfully there was no excessive force used. (It’s really stupid, as a side note, to fight a block and a half away from the police station.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:56:21pm

I may have found the perfect “moving the goal posts” gif rebuttal.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:57:28pm

re: #480 FormerDirtDart

Another one of those shitbird RWNJ former congresscritters in the vein of Joe Walsh.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:57:40pm

re: #475 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I haven’t made it up there yet. Maybe next trip.

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unproven innocence  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:58:45pm

re: #488 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Out downtown about a year ago, we saw a fight break out on the street. I called 911 in that situation, as you do, but there was definitely a voice in the back of my head that questioned whether that was 100% the right course of action, since one of the participants was black.

Thankfully there was no excessive force used. (It’s really stupid, as a side note, to fight a block and a half away from the police station.)

Not so sure I agree. When I was in high school, I reached the end of my patience with some guys who were bullying me. I chose to make my stand near the front steps of a local clinic.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 7:59:07pm

re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus

I may have found the perfect “moving the goal posts” gif rebuttal.

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Okay, lots of people did. That doesn’t mean they’re qualified to be HUD Secretary. Carson did overcome his situation and by most accounts I’ve read became a successful neurosurgeon. And that’s what he should have stayed as until his retirement. He’s not a bureaucratic administrator. The past four HUD secretaries and I am including Bushes all had some sort of professional experience involving housing. Carson doesn’t have that. It’s beyond insulting to suggest that just because Carson grew up poor that somehow he’s qualified for this spot.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:01:12pm

re: #492 Barefoot Grin

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:01:12pm

THREAD.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:01:53pm

re: #493 unproven innocence

Not so sure I agree. When I was in high school, I reached the end of my patience with some guys who were bullying me. I chose to make my stand near the front steps of a local clinic.

Well. I’ll grant that exception. I don’t think nearly as much thought went into this particular confrontation and much more alcohol did.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:02:06pm

re: #491 teleskiguy

Another one of those shitbird RWNJ former congresscritters in the vein of Joe Walsh.

Another great example of the famed Class of 2010 that also produced Walsh if memory serves. Really, if you don’t like Biden or agree with him on the issues, you can see that he deserved the award. I mean athletes have gotten the award. Honestly, I think the award is a fine award to Biden for his nearly forty five years as a Senator and VP. He really is one of the best public servants and many Republicans even think highly of him as a man.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:04:20pm

re: #490 FormerDirtDart

A decent read
Why Are the Trump Allegations Hanging Around When They Haven’t Been Substantiated? - Lawfare

Something is there. They know it. And now with the Flynn to Russia calls it’s blowing up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:06:39pm

re: #499 Stanley Sea

Something is there. They know it. And now with the Flynn to Russia calls it’s blowing up.

Something is definitely up. Now I do have to wonder. Did Flynn go to the Russians out of sheer petty anger after he was let go at DIA or did they have some dirt to blackmail him to come on board like they appear to haev with Trump? Either way, this man is not cut out to be national security adviser. It was very telling to me that Trump chose him for a position that the Senate doesn’t have to confirm.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:12:20pm

re: #495 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:12:24pm

re: #499 Stanley Sea

Something is there. They know it. And now with the Flynn to Russia calls it’s blowing up.

re: #500 HappyWarrior

Something is definitely up. Now I do have to wonder. Did Flynn go to the Russians out of sheer petty anger after he was let go at DIA or did they have some dirt to blackmail him to come on board like they appear to haev with Trump? Either way, this man is not cut out to be national security adviser. It was very telling to me that Trump chose him for a position that the Senate doesn’t have to confirm.

From one of the article’s authors…

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allegro  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:12:52pm

re: #493 unproven innocence

Not so sure I agree. When I was in high school, I reached the end of my patience with some guys who were bullying me. I chose to make my stand near the front steps of a local clinic.

When I was but a wee, fresh-faced lass in my early 20s I had an unfortunate encounter at a 3-way stop. A couple of us reached the intersection at the same time. In my drivers’ ed, the one on the right had the right-of-way, so I just stopped, and went on thru. The other driver seemed to have other ideas and got really pissed, honking and screaming out the window. Did some ugly road rage shit up the street and scared the crap outa me. I didn’t want to go to my apartment, fearing being followed, so I just drove right into the open bay of the fire station across the street from my apartment complex.

A couple of (very cute) firefighters looked at me with stunned expression. I explained my strange behavior, and sure enough the car giving me problems did pass back and forth a couple of times giving my story credibility. They insisted I wait it out there, invited me to lunch, and became good buddies. I used to take them cookies and stuff. LOL

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:13:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:14:29pm

Why I love the SPLC, exhibit #555555, in response to Carson idiotically saying LGBT Americans don’t deserve “extra rights.”
States where you can be fired for your sexual orientation: 27
States where you can be fired for your gender identity: 28
States where you can be evicted or denied housing for your sexual orientation or gender identity: 28
Are these the “extra rights” Ben Carson is talking about?
That’s over half the states in this country where you can be fired, denied, or lose your job and or housing over your sexual orientation or gender identity. It’s always amused me when right wing Christians say that LGBT people want special rights. Uh, no they want equal rights. As a straight male, I can’t lose my job or be denied housing because of my identity. LGBT people have every right to expect the same protection under the law and for the last eight years we’ve had an administration that agrees with that but we won’t the next four.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:15:07pm

re: #502 FormerDirtDart

From one of the article’s authors…

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It definitely does make you wonder.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:15:37pm

re: #501 Barefoot Grin

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:18:39pm

And let me say again that there are rights in this country that should always be federally protected. We need to get out of this “states rights” mentality. Should a state have its own say in how it wants to spend their tax dollars or do its educational system? Sure, I can get behind that but when it comes to people’s rights, those need to be federally protected rights. We should know better after the Civil Rights movement to make a person’s rights up to the hands of a state legislature.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:19:34pm

Apparently #Pizzagate connected, but different guy and the wrong pizzaria…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:21:30pm

snopes.com
Heh such a weird coincidence.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:22:05pm

re: #509 FormerDirtDart

Apparently #Pizzagate connected, but different guy and the wrong pizzaria…

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And that’s the real danger of fake news. Thankfully, he was arrested before he could actually shoot anyone.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:25:10pm

re: #309 teleskiguy

A semi-pro skier friend of mine in Crested Butte said it was the best day ever on skis today. When this guy says “best day ever on skis” it’s “tell your grandkids about it many years later” kind of skiing. Might need to make a trip down there.

Here’s a before/after sign. Heh!

Instagram

#skicb #2017ispow #crestedbuttesports #crestedbutte #groundhogdaysfordays 2 years ago on the left today on the right, conditions are ridiculous this year.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:26:27pm

re: #510 HappyWarrior

snopes.com
Heh such a weird coincidence.

AMAZING

A “confidence man”

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:27:28pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Okay, you don’t but Zig certainly has viewed them like enemies in the past. And fwiw Bush I isn’t an Evangelical Christian. Doesn’t make his bigoted and stupid statement better but since you’re using it to shape your perception of Evangelicals. As I said I’m no fan of them either but I still ultimately do believe in treating people as individuals. You bring up their hostility towards African Americans, one can just as easily cite the role of northern Evangelicals in the abolition movement and believe me as someone from a Catholic family, I’m well aware of their intolerant history to them. My point is why should you be able to judge someone for their group and not be wrong but someone who does the same to Muslims and non believers isn’t. Take it easy but my message was really aimed at Ziggy who has been making generalized statements long before you joined lgf.

You are correct that President Geo. HW Bush is not an Evangelical Christian, he is an Episcopalian that had a whole bunch of Evangelical Christians as presidential advisers and confidants.

[blockquote]My point is why should you be able to judge someone for there group and not be wrong but someone who does the same to Muslims and non-believers isn’t.[/blockquote]

I didn’t say I should be able to judge them for their group and not be long. I said I would not extend trust and respect for their group because their churches and leaders will not renounce violence. Atheists do not have leaders and generally do not espouse violence, and Muslims in the USA frequently renounce acts carried out in their names.

As for not judging people for the group they belong to, how much judging of Trump supporters has there been here. Trump supporters are not a monolithic group either, and every last one of them is not a racist (see the “economic anxiety” phrase used on many liberal sites as a stand-in for “they’re racists).

If I am to extend trust and acceptance to all Evangelicals unless an until one of them tries to harm me, should I not do the same for Trump supporters?

“That’s different” is not an argument. There are plenty of Trump supporters primed to hate me for being a liberal (or an atheist) as there are plenty of Evangelicals primed to hate me for being an atheist (or a liberal).

So why should I watch my step around one group (Trump supporters) and not another group (Evangelicals), when they both want to take my rights. I’ll give you Evangelicals haven’t called for me to be deported, but in my entire town of Trump supporters none of them have called for me to be killed. None of them have called me unpatriotic. None of them want to take my freedom of religion.

Bouncing out for a nap here. I don’t see the difference, other than religion getting a special pass for being religion (as long as it’s Christian religion).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:27:39pm

re: #513 Stanley Sea

AMAZING

A “confidence man”

I watched some of the clip. He likes to threaten to sue too.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:28:52pm

re: #512 teleskiguy

It sounds to me that if a skier like that said it was the best day ever you should drop what you’re doing and haul ass to get there.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:29:22pm

re: #516 SteveMcG RN

It sounds to me that if a skier like that said it was the best day ever you should drop what you’re doing and haul ass to get there.

You’re telling me!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:33:17pm

re: #514 Anymouse

You are correct that President Geo. HW Bush is not an Evangelical Christian, he is an Episcopalian that had a whole bunch of Evangelical Christians as presidential advisers and confidants.

[blockquote]My point is why should you be able to judge someone for there group and not be wrong but someone who does the same to Muslims and non-believers isn’t.[/blockquote]

I didn’t say I should be able to judge them for their group and not be long. I said I would not extend trust and respect for their group because their churches and leaders will not renounce violence. Atheists do not have leaders and generally do not espouse violence, and Muslims in the USA frequently renounce acts carried out in their names.

As for not judging people for the group they belong to, how much judging of Trump supporters has there been here. Trump supporters are not a monolithic group either, and every last one of them is not a racist (see the “economic anxiety” phrase used on many liberal sites as a stand-in for “they’re racists).

If I am to extend trust and acceptance to all Evangelicals unless an until one of them tries to harm me, should I not do the same for Trump supporters?

“That’s different” is not an argument. There are plenty of Trump supporters primed to hate me for being a liberal (or an atheist) as there are plenty of Evangelicals primed to hate me for being an atheist (or a liberal).

So why should I watch my step around one group (Trump supporters) and not another group (Evangelicals), when they both want to take my rights. I’ll give you Evangelicals haven’t called for me to be deported, but in my entire town of Trump supporters none of them have called for me to be killed. None of them have called me unpatriotic. None of them want to take my freedom of religion.

Bouncing out for a nap here. I don’t see the difference, other than religion getting a special pass for being religion (as long as it’s Christian religion).

You’re entitled to your opinion. I was really talking to Ziggy and not you anyhow. He’s had a bad habit of in the past over-generalizing certain groups in the past and a lot of us have been trying to get him to work on it. I am not saying any religion should get a pass. I’m saying that the standard you seem to hold Evangelicals is the same that many in Islamaphobic circles seem to extend to Muslims. As I said, some people in this country can say they’ve had friends and loved ones killed by Muslim terrorists and I wouldn’t give them carte blanche to do that to Muslims. I just think you should consider the Evangelical community isn’t monolithic. As I have pointed out, there have been several Civil Rights activists who are Evangelicals. You have right every right to watch your step around them. I wasnt’ saying you didn’t have that right. I just think Ziggy should treat people the same way he wants to be treated as an American Muslim. He shouldn’t be treated as suspect because of the Tsarnaivev brothers any more than an Evangelical should automatically suspect because of the Jerry Falwells of the world.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:35:23pm

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:36:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:36:17pm

Anyhow in the end AM. My point is that I don’t think it’s right generally speaking to just going about assuming the worst about someone and I think it’s really unhelpful for someone like Ziggs who by his own admission has lashed out at people for being in a certain group he feels anger towards whether that’s Republicans, Evangeicals, Sanders supporters, Serbs, people who were pro Scottish independence. I think Ziggs is a good guy and poster and I guess in a way I sort of see myself in a big brother role for him. I have a brother his age but Ziggs and I are both on the autistic spectrum so I want to try to help him overcome some of the stuff that people like him and I struggle with.

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Anymouse  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:38:10pm

re: #518 HappyWarrior

You are also entitled to your opinion as well.

I will just work on how people have treated me in the past, as I am sure you would do. In the meantime, I will continue keeping my shotgun under my bed as long as that wingnut church up the road wants me dead, and as long as I have people coming in my yard yelling at me and threatening violence.

They were neither Muslims nor Trump supporters. (It was a Trump supporter that ran them off with her hoe.)

Going to bounce out for now … catch y’all later.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:38:18pm

re: #519 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:38:29pm

re: #480 FormerDirtDart

Turns out Huelskamp is ex-Congressman Huelskamp. He was dumped by Kansas voters for a more moderate Republican. Heh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:42:13pm

re: #523 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:45:20pm

re: #522 Anymouse

You are also entitled to your opinion as well.

I will just work on how people have treated me in the past, as I am sure you would do. In the meantime, I will continue keeping my shotgun under my bed as long as that wingnut church up the road wants me dead, and as long as I have people coming in my yard yelling at me and threatening violence.

They were neither Muslims nor Trump supporters. (It was a Trump supporter that ran them off with her hoe.)

Going to bounce out for now … catch y’all later.

Take it easy. I think you really do misunderstand my point. I’m not saying you have been threatened or attacked by Muslims but I just don’t see how you can reconcile thinking it wrong to engage in Islamaphobia while assuming all Evangelicals must be like those people who threatened you. And make no mistake, I don’t begrudge you at all hating those people. There’s something very wrong with them that they would do what they would do. However, I ask again, how is assuming all Evangelicals are like that (if I interpreted you wrong, I apologize) any different from the people who lost loved ones in 9-11 assuming all Muslims are like that and being hostile towards Muslims because of that? And again, Klys and I especially have been working with Ziggy on his generalizations. It’s been a source of a lot of anger for him and as I said being someone with literally the same neurological condition as him, I’m trying to help him the best way I can navigate a very confusing world to people like me and him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:49:17pm

re: #525 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:49:20pm

Something happened to me tonight. For the first time ever, Joe Biden made me weep.

theonion.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:51:52pm

re: #528 teleskiguy

Something happened to me tonight. For the first time ever, Joe Biden made me weep.

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theonion.com

That may be one of the things I’ll miss a lot about the Obama administration. The VP Biden “character.” What fun can you have with Pence when the guy is a stuck up asshole who thought frigging Mulan was liberal propaganda.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:53:10pm

re: #528 teleskiguy

The Onion is so good to Joe Biden. I hope he’s seen their shit about him, I’m sure he’d get a kick out of it.

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. has never smashed a Whac-A-Mole game in a drunken fit. He has never invoked Freedom of Information laws to find out a female federal employee’s work schedule. And to the best of anyone’s knowledge, he has never washed his car in the White House driveway.

But to readers of The Onion, the satirical newspaper and Web site, the vice president has done all of those things, plus bounce a check for $39.50 to a liquor store and star in advertisements for Hennessy cognac that emphasize his international playboy swagger.

Political satire typically seizes on a public official’s foibles or flaws and exaggerates them — Gerald R. Ford’s clumsiness, Bill Clinton’s fast-food cravings, George W. Bush’s malapropisms, for example. Turning the craft on its head, writers at The Onion have created a caricature of the vice president that is entirely incongruous with his public image. Of all Mr. Biden’s imperfections, being a womanizer and a drunk are not on the list. In fact, he does not drink and has been, by all accounts, a devoted husband and family man for more than 30 years.

nytimes.com

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:54:34pm

re: #529 HappyWarrior

That impromptu speech he gave at his ceremony was something else. He said he didn’t deserve such honor.

I disagree, Mr. Vice President. You the man.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:55:05pm

re: #530 teleskiguy

The Onion is so good to Joe Biden. I hope he’s seen their shit about him, I’m sure he’d get a kick out of it.

nytimes.com

He has and loves it. I remember reading an article about it. By the way, my personal favorite Biden Onion story is when he landed in hot water for doing a Hennessy ad and I think you’ll get a kick out of this one since you like your winter sports.
theonion.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:56:38pm

re: #531 teleskiguy

That impromptu speech he gave at his ceremony was something else. He said he didn’t deserve such honor.

I disagree, Mr. Vice President. You the man.

I need to catch it. I was working late today. If you looked up statesman in the dictionary, you’d see Joe Biden’s face. I’m around the same age he was when he was first elected to the Senate and I hope I can spend my next forty four years doing good like he has. He’s really accomplished a lot. Obama was right, he was his first and best choice.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2017 • 8:58:23pm

re: #533 HappyWarrior

I need to catch it.

I paged the full ceremony.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2017 • 9:04:43pm

re: #534 teleskiguy

I paged the full ceremony.

Thanks. I’ll watch. Man I’m gonna miss both of them. I hope someone writes a book about their friendship. They’re both wonderful men.

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SirMixALot  Jan 13, 2017 • 1:16:11am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Having r

Yep. I’ll always hate the GOP’s holier than thou attitude. The whole “We’re more moral than you because we’re Christian conservatives.”

That is why we need to start calling them right wing elites. They think they are better than everyone else.

Next talking point: Tell the “Alt Right” the “White Genocide” they are afraid of they voted for. The destruction of the ACA, de-funding of Planned Parenthood and gutting of any social safety net is going to lead to white Americans dying.

They also voted for a “globalist” named Donald Trump.


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