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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:39:50pm

Watching Star Trek: TNG episode Chain of Command. Seems fitting with the recent focus on “alternate facts.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:50:34pm

THERE… ARE… FOUR… LIGHTS!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2017 • 9:55:40pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:03:17pm

In response to a post downstairs:

re: #325 Anymouse

I get the impression a significant number of Protestants and atheists treat the Catholic Church the same way they treat Muslims:

One Muslim does something bad, it is a reflection on all Muslims everywhere in the world.
One Protestant does something bad, that’s “Well, Main Street Bible Church doesn’t reflect on all Protestant churches.”

I imagine even before Pope Francis took the Throne of Peter that the overwhelming majority of Catholic priests, nuns, &c would just as strongly oppose child abuse as any other person. The RCC just makes an easy target for those who don’t like it.

You’re kind of glossing over the fact that the Catholic Church has an explicit and strictly enforced hierarchy spanning the globe. Literally every Catholic church on the planet is somewhere in their org chart. So in a very real way the local church is a reflection on The Church, in the same way that my local bank branch is a reflection of the national bank it is part of. If my local bank is fraudulently foreclosing on little old ladies, and corporate takes those reports, puts them in the round file, and pretends it’s not happening, the organization as a whole has a problem. It doesn’t matter how many branch managers would never do something like that themselves, they are part of a hierarchy that tacitly condones that behavior. Centralized control creates centralized responsibility.

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Targetpractice  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:03:19pm

re: #1 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Watching Star Trek: TNG episode Chain of Command. Seems fitting with the recent focus on “alternate facts.”

Chain of Command is one of those episodes that really stands the test of time. Other episodes have aged badly because of either the Cold War subtext, the “New Age” mentality, or Gene’s ideas about how the future is supposed to be this wonderful place where humanity has given up all its flaws. But CoC is one of those episodes that is still as powerful today as it was then.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:04:32pm

re: #2 GlutenFreeJesus

THERE… ARE… FOUR… LIGHTS!

Yep. Posted last night.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:05:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:10:29pm

re: #7 Kragar

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What, the idea that whites are superior? That’s pretty obviously defeated by the demand of Spencer et al. for special treatment. If they were superior, they’d welcome full equality under law because they’d naturally rise to the top. As it is, they demand their won special safe zones, because they fear they would not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:12:14pm

I gotta say, I’m finding it hard to keep a grip on the sentiment that punching him was a bad thing. It’s actually enjoyable watching him get ‘cold cucked’ as The Younger Boy put it.

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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:18:45pm

Come to think of it, Kellyanne Conway’s getup did make me think of the kind of toy soldiers you’d expect to find at FAO Schwarz. What made her think her outfit was appropriate for a presidential inauguration, I have no idea.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:20:44pm

re: #10 Moebym

Price is sometimes a proxy for taste.

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jaunte  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:23:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:34:41pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Another interesting paralell with that episode is that the B story featured a guy who was kind of a dick taking command of the Enterprise and pissing off the entire crew.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:39:48pm
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Joe Bacon  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:55:28pm
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TedStriker  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:55:44pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Another interesting paralell with that episode is that the B story featured a guy who was kind of a dick taking command of the Enterprise and pissing off the entire crew.

Although, if you think about it, Captain Jellico (Ronnie Cox) was just doing his job:

Why Captain Jellico Is Actually Pretty Awesome

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Moebym  Jan 22, 2017 • 10:55:58pm

I am happy to say that my “woke” as hell middle-aged Chinese dad shared a video on FB of Ashley Judd’s speech at the Women’s March and expressed his awe.

He is a man who is comfortable enough in his skin that he can watch a video of a woman talking about menstruation and female genitalia and feel not disgust, but respect.

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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 11:16:30pm
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Kragar  Jan 22, 2017 • 11:26:05pm
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Archangelus  Jan 22, 2017 • 11:27:11pm

Courtesy of JollyJack:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 22, 2017 • 11:28:27pm

re: #16 TedStriker

Although, if you think about it, Captain Jellico (Ronnie Cox) was just doing his job:

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That was an interesting point in that episode. Jellicoe is kind of a dick, but he’s also Captain. It’s HIS ship, not Picard’s anymore, and he should expect it to run as he wants it to. And the job of the XO is to make sure it does. And Riker was presumptuous and whiny.

It reminds me of “Run Silent, Run Deep”, where Clark Gable takes over a sub when the commander retires, even though everyone in the crew thinks the XO, Burt Lancaster should get command. There’s grumbling among the crew and some of the junior officers, especially when they don’t understand some of the new skipper’s commands.

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TedStriker  Jan 22, 2017 • 11:51:17pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

That was an interesting point in that episode. Jellicoe is kind of a dick, but he’s also Captain. It’s HIS ship, not Picard’s anymore, and he should expect it to run as he wants it to. And the job of the XO is to make sure it does. And Riker was presumptuous and whiny.

It reminds me of “Run Silent, Run Deep”, where Clark Gable takes over a sub when the commander retires, even though everyone in the crew thinks the XO, Burt Lancaster should get command. There’s grumbling among the crew and some of the junior officers, especially when they don’t understand some of the new skipper’s commands.

Well, as was said in the video I posted, Jellico was put in (temporary) command of the Enterprise for a very specific reason: to deal with the Cardassians in negotiations and to keep the Enterprise and her crew in one piece (if at all possible) while doing it. Yes, Jellico’s command style was definitely at odds with Picard’s and rubbed Riker and others the wrong way, but he wasn’t there to make friends, he was there to win the negotiations for the Federation, which would have been severely compromised had he acknowledged Picard was captured while on a sanctioned Federation mission.

If anyone was a real asshole, it was definitely Riker, since, as first officer, he should have understood that Picard’s mission always included the risk of capture or death and the reasons why Jellico couldn’t just compromise his own mission.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:05:29am
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:14:29am

re: #23 Kragar

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You know what gives Nazism credibility? Acting as if it is credible by saying that the only way to combat it is to debate its advocates. When you’re debating the pros and cons of subjugating and exterminating all those deemed “inferior,” then you’ve already lost the fucking argument.

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:20:51am

re: #24 Targetpractice

You know what gives Nazism credibility? Acting as if it is credible by saying that the only way to combat it is to debate its advocates. When you’re debating the pros and cons of subjugating and exterminating all those deemed “inferior,” then you’ve already lost the fucking argument.

Like the pointlessness of debating creationists. It gives them the ‘oxygen of credibility’.

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Archangelus  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:27:00am

Twitter gold:

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:31:18am

If the first reaction you have to a Nazi getting punched in the face is to think he might have a point about Jews being untermensch who must be exterminated, then the skeletons in your closet are marching in jackboots while humming “Horst Wessel Lied.”

But then again, one of the retweets of this intellectual giant is of a Facebook screed from Crazy Uncle Liberty about how Democrats are responsible for the rise of Trump and we should be hopeful for all the “evil” that he’ll undo with his presidency.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:31:36am

re: #26 Archangelus

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:36:03am

“I’m such a badass because I used lawful authority to shield myself from the consequences of my bullying.”

Your boasting would have way more effect if you didn’t constantly hide behind your badge, Dave.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:36:14am
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 23, 2017 • 12:46:08am
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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:09:07am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:16:03am

My rain gauge says 19.90” of rain, and the county rain gauge about .3 miles away at 19.20” is pretty close. (and it was out of service for the first rain fall of the year) If Wunderground stats are correct we are about to beat an 8 year record for rainfall (and beat anything up to the the year 2000 when their records end) in the east bay area of SF Bay, and the rain season doesn’t end until June 31st. An 18 or more year record rainfall. Woo-hoo. Back in the 60s and early 70s we got a good 20-24” a year. 80s were pretty heavy too, then it went downhill. It may not be much but at least I have something to be happy about.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:23:36am

Within 20 minutes of a tweet mocking protestors for not engaging in violence, he complained about a complete breakdown in social order.

What a whiny jackass.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:24:56am

A bit of a story but it’s late, I’m bored and we’re here, right? Anyway… we had an old family friend from out of town stay over this weekend and this happened while he was here…

Background: He is married but amicably separated (her idea to leave, not his - 10+ years now) and she is still on his health insurance since her job doesn’t offer it (elderly care). He is about 60, former Navy, working for government contractor for the last 30 years and not really politically oriented, though he leans liberal. His ‘ex’ has been living with another guy for the last few years so our friend figures that it’s over and time to wrap things up. Last month he told her that she won’t be on his insurance this year since she needs to get herself covered and move on with life.

On to what happened today…

He was on his laptop and checking out his Facebook page when his ex posted the side-by-side 1/2 pics the Obama and Trump inaugurations with a line about FAKE NEWS!!! under it. I heard him groan about it and he told me what it was when I asked. Almost immediately after that a friend of theirs that he works with posted in agreement with her, stating that he watched the Trump inauguration himself and it was YUGE!!! That elicited another groan from our friend that was answered when I asked “What now?”.

I told our friend to go check out Snopes (introducing him to it, actually!) and he quickly linked a FB post to their story on it in answering his ex. At this point another voice chimed in to respond in agreement with our friend, a voice that happens to be an old flame from before he had married his wife just over forty years ago. She also responded with a link to a local news site that ran a news report on it, all factual. His ex messaged him thinking he might be angry with her and he responded negatively and gave her a smile. She responded that the pic she posted was real and that the news reports were fake.

He asked her if she looked at his link or the one that his old flame posted, to which she responded that she had but they were wrong. He pointed out that she had been presented with two separate sources that show her and her news source are wrong and if she has an issue with the links she was given then to please point it out to him. He also stated that she needs to get her news from more than the one place she listens to, Fox. She responded that she really doesn’t know what to think because her boyfriend has two TV blaring Fox News all day and night when he is home and that is all she hears.

We both laughed about this but later on I mentioned to him that it crossed my mind that he’s really going to find out how deep her commitment to Republicans and Trump are when either her new old man needs to make an ‘honest woman out of her’ and put her on his insurance (which our friend doubts) or hit the Oregon Healthcare Exchange.

If it’s still there… either way, she’s just another committed Trump supporter…lol!

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:42:06am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Yep. Posted last night.

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Being the resident pessimist, you guys remember the dialogue at the end of the episode, right?

Jean-Luc Picard: At the end, he gave me a choice: between a life of comfort…or more torture. All I had to do was say that…I could see five lights, when in fact there were only four.
Deanna Troi: You didn’t say it.
Jean-Luc Picard: No. No. But I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all. But more than that—I believed that I could see…five lights.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:45:54am

re: #34 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

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Within 20 minutes of a tweet mocking protestors for not engaging in violence, he complained about a complete breakdown in social order.

What a whiny jackass.

He has an awfully big hat for such a small brain.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:49:17am

re: #37 Timothy Watson

He has an awfully big hat for such a small brain.

It’s not his fault, he’s obviously suffered severe neurological damage from using so much toxic hair coloring. Same thing that happened to Steven Seagal…
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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 1:53:27am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 2:06:04am

re: #39 Kragar

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Ah, the ubermensch needs his safe space.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 2:17:45am

I wouldn’t put it past Spencer to have paid or even had someone on his NAZI team do this to him to make him look the victim. Either way, the problem with this victim line is that I don’t know anyone who would feel any sympathy because some NAZI asshole got decked. Freedom of speech doesn’t protect you from illegal actions of others as a result of exercising that freedom.

Spencer can ask Martin Luther’s family about that. There’s plenty of other examples out there if he bothered to look.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 2:30:16am

re: #4 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

In response to a post downstairs:

You’re kind of glossing over the fact that the Catholic Church has an explicit and strictly enforced hierarchy spanning the globe. Literally every Catholic church on the planet is somewhere in their org chart. So in a very real way the local church is a reflection on The Church, in the same way that my local bank branch is a reflection of the national bank it is part of. If my local bank is fraudulently foreclosing on little old ladies, and corporate takes those reports, puts them in the round file, and pretends it’s not happening, the organization as a whole has a problem. It doesn’t matter how many branch managers would never do something like that themselves, they are part of a hierarchy that tacitly condones that behavior. Centralized control creates centralized responsibility.

It’s also a convenient way when Second Street Bible Church has a problem, Third Street Bible Church can say “it wasn’t us.”

You might be glossing over the problem that the problem is the religious views themselves.

You’ll note on that post from reformation.com that there are churches across the whole spectrum of Protestant churches involved in sexual assaults on children, from very conservative Evangelical to very liberal independent churches. Do the others get a pass because “they don’t have a centralised authority?”

Do those other churches have a moral authority to condemn their Pharisees amongst them? They are all bound by a hierarchy as well, or at least they claim they are: the Law of God promulgated in the Bible.

That goes back to what my mention of the RCC was part of: When a Muslim conducts a bad act, all Muslims worldwide are condemned for it no matter how much they protest the act (despite Islam mostly being a decentralised religion).

When a Christian conducts a bad act, that single Christian is condemned and not all Christians across the world (or even across town). See Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, &c &c &c an endless string of terrorists acting in the name of God. All of them are condemned individually (or with whatever minor group they are part of).

In Eric Rudolph’s case, churches specifically hid him from the law for years. How many churches were shuttered for supporting terrorists over that? Oh right, none.

Islam is presented by many Christians as a “political ideology” (never mind that political ideology is protected by the I Amendment), but Christianity is a “religion” (never mind people like Betsy DeVos or Fred Phelps explicitly trying to influence secular politics).

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 3:03:04am

ABC News radio is saying that this week Hair Furor will be focused on Executive Orders and which ones to rescind. The only thing conservatives want to accomplish is to destroy the accomplishments of others.

They can’t build anything good any more, they only care to plunder and ruin.

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 3:05:36am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 23, 2017 • 3:06:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 3:28:39am

re: #24 Targetpractice

You know what gives Nazism credibility? Acting as if it is credible by saying that the only way to combat it is to debate its advocates. When you’re debating the pros and cons of subjugating and exterminating all those deemed “inferior,” then you’ve already lost the fucking argument.

Just like my maxim that anyone who lets themself get drawn into a shouting match with a three-year-old has already lost the argument.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 4:45:58am

Morning all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 4:53:34am

Heh

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 4:54:42am

Who would have expected Glenn Greenwald to turn into a fascist authoritarian so quickly? This is my shocked face.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 4:58:01am

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

Who would have expected Glenn Greenwald to turn into a fascist authoritarian so quickly? This is my shocked face.

And Michael Tracey remains an unreadable asshole.

That Grade A butthurt makes me smile.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:01:37am

Tom Cotton is a human garbage fire.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:02:27am

re: #43 Odie Hugh Manatee

ABC News radio is saying that this week Hair Furor will be focused on Executive Orders and which ones to rescind. The only thing conservatives want to accomplish is to destroy the accomplishments of others.

They can’t build anything good any more, they only care to plunder and ruin.

I’ll bite, when did conservatism contribute to progress? Every major advancement in our society that I can think of was opposed by conservatives.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:06:24am

re: #52 Anymouse

I’ll bite, when did conservatism contribute to progress? Every major advancement in our society that I can think of was opposed by conservatives.

They helped Russia win the Cold War 30 years after the fact.

//half

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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:23:06am

Imgur


Good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:29:57am

The billionaire who has everything he ever wished for, and he’s still not happy. It’s like the old Russian folk tale of The Golden Fish

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:34:41am
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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:38:24am

Well, after a night of binge-watching Daria (I was her, except male and in the Seventies), I probably ought to figure out where my bed is.

Splendora - You’re Standing On My Neck

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:38:28am

Good thread on how liberal democracies tend to doom themselves by their adherence to the fundamentalist interpretation of the First Amendment.
Where liberalism’s inherent nobility goes terribly wrong.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:38:51am

There’s been a noticeable lack of pie pictures lately and I won’t stand for it!

Facebook Post

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:42:48am

So, here’s a pretty good write-up on my adopted hometown of Ostrava.

radio.cz

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:45:16am

From my Mizzou cousin:

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:46:23am

re: #59 Timothy Watson

I thought National π Day was in March.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:47:21am

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

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No arrests reported in D.C on 1-21. Try again Sheriff Fascist Asshole. Face it Clarke, you’re a fascist. You think people who disagree with you shouldn’t be allowed to assemble. You are literally against the first amendment.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:47:31am

re: #62 Anymouse

I thought National π Day was in March.

it should be. The 14 perhaps?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:47:33am

re: #62 Anymouse

I thought National π Day was in March.

Shush, I grow tried of some people’s anti-pie agenda!1!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:48:26am

re: #65 Timothy Watson

Shush, I grow tried of some people’s anti-pie agenda!1!!

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every day is Pie Day, it’s just that some get special notice

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:48:59am

re: #39 Kragar

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Good. Let the Nazi coward be afraid. I’m sorry but I know how people like him mock people who have actually been bullied time and time again as “snowflakes who just want a safe space.” Fuck his Nazi ass.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:49:39am

merriam-webster.com

Merriam-Webster trolls Kellyanne Conway.

Fact (“a piece of information presented as having objective reality”) spiked dramatically on January 22nd, following an exchange between Chuck Todd and Kellyanne Conway on NBC’s Meet the Press that was fraught with epistemological tension.

You’re saying it’s a falsehood, and Sean Spicer, our press secretary is giving alternative facts to that,” Conway shot back.

“Wait a minute, alternative facts? Alternative facts — four of the five facts he uttered, the one that he got right was Zeke Miller, four of the five facts he uttered are not true. Alternative facts are not facts — they’re falsehoods,” Todd replied.
—Maxwell Tani, businessinsider.com, 22 Jan. 2017

(more at the link)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:49:46am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

every day is Pie Day, it’s just that some get special notice

If only there was someone at LGF who was an expert on all things pie.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:50:02am

I just posted one of my favorite pie recipes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:50:15am

re: #44 Alyosha

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Love Buscemi. He’s honestly more than a good actor but also a great guy and a hero (yes I said hero, read about him on 9/11.).

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:52:01am

re: #59 Timothy Watson

There’s been a noticeable lack of pie pictures lately and I won’t stand for it!

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One year I opted for a pecan pie instead of a birthday cake. I regret nothing.

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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:52:24am

re: #59 Timothy Watson

There’s been a noticeable lack of pie pictures lately and I won’t stand for it!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:52:43am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Good. Let the Nazi coward be afraid. I’m sorry but I know how people like him mock people who have actually been bullied time and time again as “snowflakes who just want a safe space.” Fuck his Nazi ass.

How to deal with Nazis.

Indiana Jones And The Raiders Of The Lost Ark - Truck Chase

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:53:13am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Love Buscemi. He’s honestly more than a good actor but also a great guy and a hero (yes I said hero, read about him on 9/11.).

Had to look that up. Never heard about it before. Major props.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:53:37am

re: #72 Myron Falwell

One year I opted for a pecan pie instead of a birthday cake. I regret nothing.

I like pie but can live without it, otherwise my current weight figure would be in kilograms instead of pounds

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:54:27am

We’ve reached peak meme now:

Facebook Post

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:55:10am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like pie but can live without it, otherwise my current weight figure would be in kilograms instead of pounds

Aren’t kilogrammes just really large pounds?

If I obsessed about numbers, I prefer my weight in stone anyway.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:55:45am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

How to deal with Nazis.

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This is another way.

Blues Brothers - the ‘I’ve always loved you’ car chase

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:56:23am

“And God said, ‘Let there be light.’ And 8.5 minutes later, there was light.”

Not in the Bible. Does not change the fact that light has a speed limit.

- My creationist counter argument for the day.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:56:37am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:57:21am

re: #78 Anymouse

Aren’t kilogrammes just really large pounds?

If I obsessed about numbers, I prefer my weight in stone anyway.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:58:22am

8 stone 13 sounds better than 115.

Last time I was at the VA, a nurse was trying to convince me that I was overweight when comparing my weight to a height chart.

My wife’s jaw dropped: “Are you kidding? Did you look at him?”

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Teukka  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:59:07am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Todays #Groaner XD XD XD

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:59:35am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hahaha!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 5:59:54am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

How to deal with Nazis.

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Video

Before I start to get ready for work, it really amazes me that we’ve ended up with so many fairly young people (I know Spence risn’t young like CCJ but hear me out in this) but so many young people who probably have grandfathers that fought the Axis powers and grandmothers who probably worked in war time factories that contributed to the Axis defeat. When I was a kid, I felt moved by the Saving Private Ryan and BOB.I played the Medal of Honor playstation and PC games and imagined myself as the characters from Saving Private Ryan or later Band of Brothers, and felt sadness reading about Anne Frank and the little girl who I was assigned when I had to do a paper on a child of the Holocaust and never once did I imagine the Nazis as the good guys especially their ideology, I still remember that little girl seventeen years later because her last name was Frank and like Anne her father too was a WWI veteran. Her older half sister I believe remembered seeing her put in a gas van in the Riga, Latvia ghetto and that was the last anyone heard of her. Sorry I’m rambling a bit here but it really saddens me that we have so many people who think the Nazis had the right ideology. Maybe we shouldn’t teach WWII at the end of the school year when our kids fare thinking about summer. Maybe we should make history class more real for chlidren. I don’t know. But I want today’s kids to never ever see the Nazis as the good guys.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:00:59am

re: #75 Alyosha

Had to look that up. Never heard about it before. Major props.

Yeah and he did it without fanfare which is you baerly see him in the shots and he looks like just another regular Brooklyn firefighter because that’s what he was for many years. I love Steve. One of my favorite people in Hollywood.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:01:26am

re: #77 Timothy Watson

We’ve reached peak meme now:

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I read that as peak widows peak.

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I cannot.  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:02:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:02:39am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It has to do with failing to teach history and civics in schools and then letting young people find out about selective aspects of them from certain rather ideologically motivated sources.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:04:36am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Preach it.

The Nazi movement here never went away after Lindburgh’s America First movement, they just went underground.

After George Wallace’s electoral defeat, his Youth for Wallace group became the most dangerous Nazi group seen in the USA, the National Alliance. Spencer, Taylor, and others like them grew up with NA ideology.

While Gov. Wallace was not a Nazi, he was a supporter of the Ku Klux Klan (although late in life he renounced his segregationist ways) and there really isn’t much difference between the groups except for their tailors.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:04:56am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Same here, where did these young assholes get the idea that the Nazis were the good guys? Hell, I watched Schlinder’s List in high school.

Is it just because they’re white and that means they must be special and superior to everyone else?

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:07:31am

en.wikipedia.org
History of the National Alliance and where these guys today came from.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:07:52am

re: #89 I cannot.

My position on this is that I don’t think violence is the answer, but fuck Nazis. They’re kind of lucky I’m not going to get violent.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:09:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area as we batten down the hatches with the oncoming Nor’easter. The Hudson River is already angry with whitecaps and minor flooding is occurring in places. The Southeast has already been racked by storms and the death toll keeps rising as reports come in.

It’s also the first Monday since 45 was inaugurated. The lie machine was working fast and furious over the weekend, and this will be the pattern we’ll see from it and the GOP for the rest of our days.

Why? Because the lies work. Too many people buy the baffling BS - and the media is complicit in this too. Far too many are unwilling to call lies for what they are. Alternative facts? Naw, Trump isn’t lying. He’s just exaggerating the reality around him.

Just look at headlines used to report on the marches/parade/inauguration crowd sizes. How many times did the media actually say that the administration lied in the headline? Not enough. And that’s just the point. Far too many read just headlines and don’t bother to pay attention to the rest of the story. You get “5 things that were inaccurately stated” instead of “Trump Admin lied 5 times”

Journalism and headline writers need a crash course on how to cover this administration. Blunt small words do better than evasive euphemisms.

So, when you’re about to say “Trump Admin exaggerated the crowd size” instead report “Trump Admin lied about crowd size because he’s tremendously insecure”

Etc.

Today Trump will start dismantling the safety net and undermine US economic policy that has stood the nation in good stead for decades. Undermining NAFTA because Trump thinks that this will bring back manufacturing jobs (reality is that the jobs aren’t coming back and manufacturing output hasn’t been higher in decades - mostly due to automation and productivity gains). Harming alliances and treaty obligations sends the dollar to new lows on market trades, making it more expensive to export (harming domestic corps). Etc. This is an administration that is incompetent and unprepared from day 1 to do anything other than dismantle govt. That was what they want to do, and they’ve got a Congress ready to take an axe to it, no matter the consequences.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:10:33am

The Wikipedia article above notes that groups like Don Black’s Website and The Order and other such organisations are outgrowths of those.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:12:45am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

Same here, where did they young assholes get the idea that the Nazis were the good guys? Hell, I watched Schlinder’s List in high school.

Is it just because they’re white and that means they must be special and superior to everyone else?

It’s because they need to feel special and superior to everyone else.

We Americans have “American Exceptionalism”; the Germans have their “Sonderweg”. Everyone likes to think their special when all is said and done - it’s the most common delusion humans have.

What’s the alternative? Lovecraft’s bleak cosmology? That there’s nothing or no one out there that would even miss us? That one day, several billion years from now, when the Sun goes red giant and turns our fair planet into a charcoal briquette, no one will mourn our passing - mostly because no one even cares that we ever existed. Of course, by then, I’m betting Homo sapiens sapiens (all of us) will be long extinct and all our monuments will have crumbled to dust and returned to the earth from which it came.

It is, to me at least, the ultimate fate of all mankind. Extinction. And when is all said and done, that fate cannot be stayed, perhaps only delayed a bit.

Not exactly the most cheerful or optimistic message, is it? And pretty much no one outside of absolute materialists wanna hear it.

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Franklin  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:12:48am
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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:13:00am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

Same here, where did they young assholes get the idea that the Nazis were the good guys? Hell, I watched Schlinder’s List in high school.

Is it just because they’re white and that means they must be special and superior to everyone else?

When I was in late primary school, I went through a Nazi phase because I was just aware of who they were, what they stood for and I was desperate for attention.
Got a very stern talking to by my mum.

I smartened the fuck up very fast.
Spencer and his ilk don’t have people who love them, clearly.

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Franklin  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:13:42am

This from my City Councilor

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:14:59am

re: #95 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area as we batten down the hatches with the oncoming Nor’easter. The Hudson River is already angry with whitecaps and minor flooding is occurring in places. The Southeast has already been racked by storms and the death toll keeps rising as reports come in.

It’s also the first Monday since 45 was inaugurated. The lie machine was working fast and furious over the weekend, and this will be the pattern we’ll see from it and the GOP for the rest of our days.

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Why? Because the lies work. Too many people buy the baffling BS - and the media is complicit in this too. Far too many are unwilling to call lies for what they are. Alternative facts? Naw, Trump isn’t lying. He’s just exaggerating the reality around him.

Just look at headlines used to report on the marches/parade/inauguration crowd sizes. How many times did the media actually say that the administration lied in the headline? Not enough. And that’s just the point. Far too many read just headlines and don’t bother to pay attention to the rest of the story. You get “5 things that were inaccurately stated” instead of “Trump Admin lied 5 times”

Journalism and headline writers need a crash course on how to cover this administration. Blunt small words do better than evasive euphemisms.

So, when you’re about to say “Trump Admin exaggerated the crowd size” instead report “Trump Admin lied about crowd size because he’s tremendously insecure”

Etc.

Today Trump will start dismantling the safety net and undermine US economic policy that has stood the nation in good stead for decades. Undermining NAFTA because Trump thinks that this will bring back manufacturing jobs (reality is that the jobs aren’t coming back and manufacturing output hasn’t been higher in decades - mostly due to automation and productivity gains). Harming alliances and treaty obligations sends the dollar to new lows on market trades, making it more expensive to export (harming domestic corps). Etc. This is an administration that is incompetent and unprepared from day 1 to do anything other than dismantle govt. That was what they want to do, and they’ve got a Congress ready to take an axe to it, no matter the consequences.

It’s baby steps, and NPR isn’t using the L-word yet, but the segment they did about Trump’s alternate-reality weekend was encouraging. “Falsehood,” “not true,” “not accurate,” etc.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:15:17am

re: #93 Anymouse

en.wikipedia.org
History of the National Alliance and where these guys today came from.

One of the earliest satire web pages was about National Appliance, how white refrigerators were superior to black ones. Never could find it on the way back machine.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:16:13am

Oh, and another round of lies - that Trump’s taken care of his business conflicts.

He has not.

He is lying.

I can’t state this clearly enough.

States require filing amending papers, whether it is ownership changes or changes to business form (from a LLC to a LP). These can be anything from a certificate of dissolution and new business created, or amending the certificate of incorporation.

Trump hasn’t done any of this. He is still the owner of record. A search for Trump named businesses in NY comes back with any number of his self-promoting name businesses, and he’s still the owner or CEO of record.

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Franklin  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:16:30am

From the man that ran Medicare, Medicaid & ACA for President Obama:

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:17:19am

re: #99 Alyosha

When I was in late primary school, I went through a Nazi phase because I was just aware of who they were, what they stood for and I was desperate for attention.
Got a very stern talking to by my mum.

I smartened the fuck up very fast.
Spencer and his ilk don’t have people who love them, clearly.

I guess what I want to say is, if you’re in your late-thirties/early-forties like Spencer is, and you’re still spouting annihilationist bullshit; no amount of talking is gonna help you get better. If all you get is an elbow in the face, consider yourself lucky.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:17:47am

re: #101 A wild WITHAK appeared!

In the age of Twitter, 140 characters is a challenge to get as much info across as possible.

Lie is shorter and more to the point than saying “falsehood” or “not true”. That’s why the obfuscation about Trump lies is so maddening. Those responsible for those news twitter accounts have to go out of their way to avoid the shorter and more accurate word.

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Kilroy was here  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:18:16am
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darthstar  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:19:24am

He looks like Melania just said he couldn’t play on his cell phone at the table.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:19:41am

re: #91 Anymouse

Preach it.

The Nazi movement here never went away after Lindburgh’s America First movement, they just went underground.

After George Wallace’s electoral defeat, his Youth for Wallace group became the most dangerous Nazi group seen in the USA, the National Alliance. Spencer, Taylor, and others like them grew up with NA ideology.

While Gov. Wallace was not a Nazi, he was a supporter of the Ku Klux Klan (although late in life he renounced his segregationist ways) and there really isn’t much difference between the groups except for their tailors.

Yeah George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party had their HQ not too far from where my own father grew up. I guess I was naive because I also thought my peers would be horrified at segregation as well and yet CSA flags more than ever and plenty of white supremacist kids i.e. Roof and others.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:19:53am

re: #104 Franklin

May stop enforcing the individual mandate. That’s a tax provision. And with the tax filing season upon us, this throws even more uncertainty into the filing season and what obligations are going to be enforced.

This will slow tax return filings - and refunds - even further.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:22:08am

re: #110 lawhawk

May stop enforcing the individual mandate. That’s a tax provision. And with the tax filing season upon us, this throws even more uncertainty into the filing season and what obligations are going to be enforced.

This will slow tax return filings - and refunds - even further.

And drive up the deficit and debt because they’re still spending money for the ACA provisions.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:23:18am

re: #101 A wild WITHAK appeared!

It’s baby steps, and NPR isn’t using the L-word yet, but the segment they did about Trump’s alternate-reality weekend was encouraging. “Falsehood,” “not true,” “not accurate,” etc.

I heard that this morning coming into work. I kept yelling at the radio “Call it what it was, a fucking lie!”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:24:01am

re: #112 Eventual Carrion

I heard that this morning coming into work. I kept yelling at the radio “Call it what it was, a fucking lie!”.

I prefer “bullshit” though I understand that’s not exactly family friendly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:25:39am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

Same here, where did these young assholes get the idea that the Nazis were the good guys? Hell, I watched Schlinder’s List in high school.

Is it just because they’re white and that means they must be special and superior to everyone else?

I watched Schindler’s List in high school too and I was nearly at tears at the end of it especially in the scene where Schindler is weeping that he could have done more and Stern tells him about the saying from the Talmud about “Whoever saves one, saves the world entire.” I refuse to be divided by race, gender, religion(or there lack of), sexual orientation, nationality, etc. I acknowledge I’m a straight white male from a predominately Christian family but i’m not going to use that fact to say someone matters less than me. Despite what idiots like Spencer say, I’m not “ashamed” of my heritage but my heritage isn’t their heritage. My heritage is of people whose love for each other transcended religion(my great grandfather was Lutheran, his wife was Catholic), class (my dad’s father was well off, my dad’s mother was not(, and today ethnicity (my brother is married to a Hispanic who has indigenous and Jewish heritage as well.)

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:25:52am

re: #111 Timothy Watson

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:26:31am

re: #96 Anymouse

The Wikipedia article above notes that groups like Don Black’s Website and The Order and other such organisations are outgrowths of those.

The Order is another one. I remember seeing a FBI Files on the guys who killed Alan Berg in the mid 80;s. Bob Matthews and those guys were always the bad guys to me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:26:54am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

It’s because they need to feel special and superior to everyone else.

We Americans have “American Exceptionalism”; the Germans have their “Sonderweg”. Everyone likes to think their special when all is said and done - it’s the most common delusion humans have.

What’s the alternative? Lovecraft’s bleak cosmology? That there’s nothing or no one out there that would even miss us? That one day, several billion years from now, when the Sun goes red giant and turns our fair planet into a charcoal briquette, no one will mourn our passing - mostly because no one even cares that we ever existed. Of course, by then, I’m betting Homo sapiens sapiens (all of us) will be long extinct and all our monuments will have crumbled to dust and returned to the earth from which it came.

It is, to me at least, the ultimate fate of all mankind. Extinction. And when is all said and done, that fate cannot be stayed, perhaps only delayed a bit.
I do remember Sonderweg from German history class.
Not exactly the most cheerful or optimistic message, is it? And pretty much no one outside of absolute materialists wanna hear it.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:27:12am

re: #112 Eventual Carrion

I heard that this morning coming into work. I kept yelling at the radio “Call it what it was, a fucking lie!”.

I was frustrated, too, but also very amused as the baffled tone the reporter was using.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:27:37am

Kyle Kulinski (Secular Talk) failed basic realpolitik going after Rachel Maddow.

I don’t have a comment account on YouTube but I would go after him otherwise.

He is complaining that Dr. Maddow is somehow dealing in conspiracy theory or turning into a neo-con over her reporting of President Obama ordering troops into Poland in support of the alliance.

Kyle makes it out as if we are somehow warmongering by threatening Russia with a small number of troops in Poland.

When my wife and I were in Poland two years ago (and there were no troops from the USA), Russia poured fifty thousand troops, aircraft squadrons, missile launchers, and all sorts of other military equipment into their Kaliningrad exclave on the Polish border.

Thirty miles away where we were, there was concern over a potential invasion.

The Russian Federation has continued the buildup in Kaliningrad to this day.

He argues Donald Trump should remove those troops.

I suppose he wants to hand over the Sudentland next? Perhaps South Korea, since our troops might be antagonising North Korea or China?

Has Rachel Maddow Lost Her Mind?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:27:52am

re: #105 Alyosha

I guess what I want to say is, if you’re in your late-thirties/early-forties like Spencer is, and you’re still spouting annihilationist bullshit; no amount of talking is gonna help you get better. If all you get is an elbow in the face, consider yourself lucky.

Nope Spencer is likely going to end up like Richard G. Butler of the National Alliance, an old and unrepentant Nazi piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:28:30am

re: #108 darthstar

He looks like Melania just said he couldn’t play on his cell phone at the table.

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Which family is leaving office and which is arriving? I actually do feel bad for Melania in many a way.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:29:18am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I watched Schindler’s List in high school too and I was nearly at tears at the end of it especially in the scene where Schindler is weeping that he could have done more and Stern tells him about the saying from the Talmud about “Whoever saves one, saves the world entire.” I refuse to be divided by race, gender, religion(or there lack of), sexual orientation, nationality, etc. I acknowledge I’m a straight white male from a predominately Christian family but i’m not going to use that fact to say someone matters less than me. Despite what idiots like Spencer say, I’m not “ashamed” of my heritage but my heritage isn’t their heritage. My heritage is of people whose love for each other transcended religion(my great grandfather was Lutheran, his wife was Catholic), class (my dad’s father was well off, my dad’s father was not(, and today ethnicity (my brother is married to a Hispanic who has indigenous and Jewish heritage as well.)

My wife put on a movie night at the Public Library with Schindler’s List as the feature, from a request from someone in the village. Bunches of people turned out for it. (Our village library has a license to show movies as long as profits are not derived from them.)

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:29:29am

re: #105 Alyosha

I guess what I want to say is, if you’re in your late-thirties/early-forties like Spencer is, and you’re still spouting annihilationist bullshit; no amount of talking is gonna help you get better. If all you get is an elbow in the face, consider yourself lucky.

They sure should consider themselves lucky. Back in the day my grandfather was throwing lead at them at high velocity (other grandpa was in the Pacific).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:30:47am

re: #122 Anymouse

My wife put on a movie night at the Public Library with Schindler’s List as the feature, from a request from someone in the village. Bunches of people turned out for it. (Our village library has a license to show movies as long as profits are not derived from them.)

Every needs to watch that movie at least once.

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bws58  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:30:55am

Charles
I have been trying to subscribe through PayPal for a few days, I keep getting the following message
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I have had a PP account for years, have i t set for both bank account and CC but it won;t let me pay

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:34:00am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Nope Spencer is likely going to end up like Richard G. Butler of the National Alliance, an old and unrepentant Nazi piece of shit.

Inspiring newer Nazis like Timothy McVeigh, inspired by The Turner Diaries.

Very much like Ayn Rand in her later years, and The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged continue to warp impressionable minds like Rep. Paul Ryan today.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:35:39am

re: #125 bws58

Charles
I have been trying to subscribe through PayPal for a few days, I keep getting the following message
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I have had a PP account for years, have i t set for both bank account and CC but it won;t let me pay

When I tried to subscribe, I called my credit card company. They told me the problem is on PayPal’s end and they were getting lots of complaints about them.

When I tried to call PayPal, they just left me on endless hold for about an hour before I hung up. I eventually used my wife’s PayPal account to send Mr. Johnson the money.

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bws58  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:37:04am

re: #126 Anymouse

I use my PayPal daily, even have cash in it to pay..need to figure this out

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:37:17am

re: #34 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Within 20 minutes of a tweet mocking protestors for not engaging in violence, he complained about a complete breakdown in social order.

What a whiny jackass.

This was the guy, an officer of the law mind-you, who during the Summer called for pitchforks and overthrowing the government.

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:38:18am
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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:38:19am

re: #129 Sir John Barron

This was the guy, an officer of the law mind-you, who during the Summer called for pitchforks and overthrowing the government.

I’m all for ousting him from the Democratic Party. He would be at home with the GOP, and he gives so-called bipartisan cover to Donald Trump.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:41:10am

re: #131 Anymouse

I’m all for ousting him from the Democratic Party. He would be at home with the GOP, and he gives so-called bipartisan cover to Donald Trump.

He’s as much a “Democrat” as Kim Davis is/was.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:42:56am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Every needs to watch that movie at least once.

As I recall, Oscar Schindler is the only actual Nazi Party member who Israel awarded its “righteous among the nations” award. He is also the only Nazi buried on Mount Zion.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:50:09am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:50:39am

re: #118 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I was frustrated, too, but also very amused as the baffled tone the reporter was using.

I think she wanted to use the word but was possibly instructed not to. I don’t know.

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:51:05am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:52:05am

re: #133 Anymouse

As I recall, Oscar Schindler is the only actual Nazi Party member who Israel awarded its “righteous among the nations” award. He is also the only Nazi buried on Mount Zion.

Yes, that sounds right.

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Franklin  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:52:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:55:12am

re: #138 Franklin

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Day 3/1460.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:55:42am

re: #134 lawhawk

Which case? I can’t see the picture.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:56:35am

re: #134 lawhawk

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And that is exactly why Garland had his nomination held up. We need to return the favor to the Heritage Foundation hack Trump inevitably chooses.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:56:59am

re: #140 Belafon

Which case? I can’t see the picture.

Abbott v Veasey

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:57:32am

re: #135 Eventual Carrion

I think she wanted to use the word but was possibly instructed not to. I don’t know.

Part of the reason a lie can travel the world faster than the truth is that the truth requires that you look up and provide proof. I think a lot of reporters are afraid to say lie because it’s a more powerful word than falsehood, and what if they’re wrong?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 6:59:48am

re: #143 Belafon

Part of the reason a lie can travel the world faster than the truth is that the truth requires that you look up and provide proof. I think a lot of reporters are afraid to say lie because it’s a more powerful word than falsehood, and what if they’re wrong?

You also have a lot of reporters who have no real knowledge of the topics they’re reporting on. E.g., political reporters who have no idea how separation of powers works or the political process. Or court reporters who have no understanding of the criminal justice system, etc.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:00:11am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

And that is exactly why Garland had his nomination held up. We need to return the favor to the Heritage Foundation hack Trump inevitably chooses.

Not just Merrick Garland, but a whole bunch of Federal judgeships as well. The GOP may not have planned all that with the idea they would win, but it certainly worked in their favour.

Moreover, with the filibuster gone for Federal judgeships, it would seem likely that would now be difficult to stop, except for the blue slip question for senators (watch that get blown out of the water if the Democrats try to use it).

As for filibustering Supreme Court nominees, I would not be surprised if the filibuster goes away for those as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:01:08am

re: #144 Timothy Watson

You also have a lot of reporters who have no real knowledge of the topics they’re reporting on. E.g., political reporters who have no idea how separation of powers works or the political process. Or court reports who have no understanding of the criminal system, etc.

They fear that they will get fired if they do not consistently scoop everyone else.

DT understands that primal fear in journalists and knows how much access to his person is worth to them and exploits it masterfully.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:01:22am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

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And, as an aside, Charles, it looks like Twitter handles that begin with a numeral don’t get automatically turned into a hyperlink.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:02:23am

re: #145 Anymouse

Not just Merrick Garland, but a whole bunch of Federal judgeships as well. The GOP may not have planned all that with the idea they would win, but it certainly worked in their favour.

Moreover, with the filibuster gone for Federal judgeships, it would seem likely that would now be difficult to stop, except for the blue slip question for senators (watch that get blown out of the water if the Democrats try to use it).

As for filibustering Supreme Court nominees, I would not be surprised if the filibuster goes away for those as well.

Of course. Cotton who literally blocked an ill Obama nominee for personal reasons is bitching about how poor Mike Pompeo is being treated.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:03:09am

re: #147 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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And, as an aside, Charles, it looks like Twitter handles that begin with a numeral don’t get automatically turned into a hyperlink.

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:04:57am

I wonder how well this job pays? Trump clapper. Get to stay current on 45, fly in AF1, front row seats to every event…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:06:08am

re: #144 Timothy Watson

You also have a lot of reporters who have no real knowledge of the topics they’re reporting on. E.g., political reporters who have no idea how separation of powers works or the political process. Or court reports who have no understanding of the criminal system, etc.

I saw that in college. I was a student reporter for a couple years. What honestly disillusioned me was seeing how a movement I got involved in, improved working conditions for the cafeteria workers got made us into a SEIU puppets. Then again knowing my alma mater’s Econ department, I’m not too shocked.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:06:37am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Of course. Cotton who literally blocked an ill Obama nominee for personal reasons is bitching about how poor Mike Pompeo is being treated.

So is Senator McConnell.

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I cannot.  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:06:53am

My original Twitter bio was “God I hate my fellow atheist skeptics”…this shit is part of the reason why.

freethoughtblogs.com

So if anyone wants to help slap down a SLAPP suit…

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:07:40am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

I saw that in college. I was a student reporter for a couple years. What honestly disillusioned me was seeing how a movement I got involved in, improved working conditions for the cafeteria workers got made us into a SEIU puppets. Then again knowing my alma mater’s Econ department, I’m not too shocked.

Hotbed of liberal brainwashing your college. /s Perhaps it’s good I didn’t go to college at all; that way I could brainwash myself. /s

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:08:22am

re: #153 I cannot.

My original Twitter bio was “God I hate my fellow atheist skeptics”…this shit is part of the reason why.

freethoughtblogs.com

So if anyone wants to help slap down a SLAPP suit…

Might want to contact @Popehat on Twitter, he hates SLAPP suits.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:09:07am

re: #155 Timothy Watson

I was just going to mention Popehat.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:11:55am

re: #153 I cannot.

My original Twitter bio was “God I hate my fellow atheist skeptics”…this shit is part of the reason why.

freethoughtblogs.com

So if anyone wants to help slap down a SLAPP suit…

I don’t know enough about the issue surrounding Richard Carrier to form an opinion of him. If I read the article correctly, Pharyngula is being sued for libel over an alleged harassment case against Mr. Carrier.

Mostly I stay away from Free Thought Blogs. A fair number of their writers seem awfully -should I say- dogmatic in their opinions.

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:14:06am

Exactly this.

The framing of this debate shifts with convenience.
There seems to be a desire amongst conservatives to see the Nazi hypotheticals as symbolic only.
When the Nazis actually show their faces, everyone goes weak at the knees.

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Tigger2  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:14:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:16:17am

re: #154 Anymouse

Hotbed of liberal brainwashing your college. /s Perhaps it’s good I didn’t go to college at all; that way I could brainwash myself. /s

I’ll tell some more stories later but GMU’s economics department is notoriously intolerant to those who don’t share their economic views. And I feel bad knowing my paralegal certificate came in part from the now Scalia School of Law. Joke’s on Tony though since I’m using my know how for causes he hated.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:19:14am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Of course. Cotton who literally blocked an ill Obama nominee for personal reasons is bitching about how poor Mike Pompeo is being treated.

Conservatives are also newly concerned, very concerned, with the state of public decorum and political discourse. So rude, crude and disrespectful. How did this happen? Marches, protests, rallies?

///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:19:59am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Conservatives are also newly concerned, very concerned, with the state of public decorum and political discourse. So rude, crude and disrespectful. How did this happen? Marches, protests, rallies?

///

Sheriff Clarke is terrified of women with signs.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:20:36am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Sheriff Clarke is terrified of women with signs.

He thinks the signs are to-do lists.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:20:44am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

I’ll tell some more stories later but GMU’s economics department is notoriously intolerant to those who don’t share their economic views. And I feel bad knowing my paralegal certificate came in part from the now Scalia School of Law. Joke’s on Tony though since I’m using my know how for causes he hated.

I mentioned the other day about my Government (civics) class in high school; the teacher was notoriously conservative and sharply attacked anyone who did not tow his opinions.

For a whole semester I would argue in class positions that were polar opposites of his, backed with facts culled from impeccable sources (Foreign Affairs, The Economist, &c). When the class was over he noted I was the first person he ever awarded an “A” to: Not because he thought I was correct, but because I came armed with facts and evidence to support them, and was willing to defend my positions against a person in power (the teacher).

I gained a lot of respect for that guy by the end of the class.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:21:25am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Conservatives are also newly concerned, very concerned, with the state of public decorum and political discourse. So rude, crude and disrespectful. How did this happen? Marches, protests, rallies?

///

Tea Party Rallies and shouting down town halls are only okay if you’re a Republican.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:23:15am

Doughy manbaby says what?

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:23:26am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Sheriff Clarke is terrified of women with signs.

A woman might be hiding a fact somewhere in (or on) a sign.

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke felt about the Civil Rights marches in the Sixties?

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:24:21am

re: #167 Anymouse

A woman might be hiding a fact somewhere in (or on) a sign.

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke felt about the Civil Rights marches in the Sixties?

“They’re not needed any more. Blacks have the same rights as whites.”

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:24:35am

re: #166 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Quick, send Mr. Gingrich a coupon for a safe space. Maybe two for snowflakes. Signed, A Liberal.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:24:55am

re: #166 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Doughy manbaby says what?

Newt might not want to drop the bar on what you can get arrested for that low.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:25:42am

re: #168 Belafon

“They’re not needed any more. Blacks have the same rights as whites.”

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke would feel without the uniform, gun, hat, or badge, travelling some back country road in states notorious for things like harassing African-Americans if his car broke down.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:26:22am

re: #171 Anymouse

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke would feel without the uniform, gun, hat, or badge, travelling some back country road in states notorious for things like harassing African-Americans if his car broke down.

Hell, if he’d be willing to try that little experiment, I’d let him keep the hat.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:27:33am

re: #172 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Hell, if he’d be willing to try that little experiment, I’d let him keep the hat.

As they say in ranching states like mine: All hat, no cattle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:28:27am

re: #164 Anymouse

I mentioned the other day about my Government (civics) class in high school; the teacher was notoriously conservative and sharply attacked anyone who did not tow his opinions.

For a whole semester I would argue in class positions that were polar opposites of his, backed with facts culled from impeccable sources (Foreign Affairs, The Economist, &c). When the class was over he noted I was the first person he ever awarded an “A” to: Not because he thought I was correct, but because I came armed with facts and evidence to support them, and was willing to defend my positions against a person in power (the teacher).

I gained a lot of respect for that guy by the end of the class.

That style of inspired teaching is dying out in our country. I was fortunate to have some teachers like that: ones who taught us about the scientific and historical method, ones who taught us the difference in literary genres and how to read them and ones who taught us Latin American, African and Asian history along with the US and Europe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:29:06am

re: #170 Belafon

Newt might not want to drop the bar on what you can get arrested for that low.

not you, her

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:29:07am

re: #164 Anymouse

I mentioned the other day about my Government (civics) class in high school; the teacher was notoriously conservative and sharply attacked anyone who did not tow his opinions.

For a whole semester I would argue in class positions that were polar opposites of his, backed with facts culled from impeccable sources (Foreign Affairs, The Economist, &c). When the class was over he noted I was the first person he ever awarded an “A” to: Not because he thought I was correct, but because I came armed with facts and evidence to support them, and was willing to defend my positions against a person in power (the teacher).

I gained a lot of respect for that guy by the end of the class.

I had a notoriously hawkish international relations professor in community college but she taught me a lot. Ended up getting a letter of recommendation from her when I transferred so obviously I can handle someone whose views differ from mine. It’s just when you start actually having questions that fit your pre existing biases, it’s a problem. I had an ultra liberal professor who challenged me to find the positives of Andrew Jackson and Carnegie and Alexander Hamilton even though i found little to like about eithervgoinh in. That’s good teaching. Bad teaching is asking why is the Obama stimulus bad. Why or why not would be fine.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:29:54am

re: #166 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Doughy manbaby says what?

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Arrested? Okay Newt….

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:30:06am

Someone on Twitter trolling Donald Trump, seeking to get more followers than he has:

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:32:28am

re: #164 Anymouse

I mentioned the other day about my Government (civics) class in high school; the teacher was notoriously conservative and sharply attacked anyone who did not tow his opinions.

For a whole semester I would argue in class positions that were polar opposites of his, backed with facts culled from impeccable sources (Foreign Affairs, The Economist, &c). When the class was over he noted I was the first person he ever awarded an “A” to: Not because he thought I was correct, but because I came armed with facts and evidence to support them, and was willing to defend my positions against a person in power (the teacher).

I gained a lot of respect for that guy by the end of the class.

My professor for Constitutional Issues in Homeland Security said up-front that he would be a devil’s advocate during the class and he would argue the opposite of whatever point a student made. :)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:32:49am

There is a significant risk in letting fading rockstars seem to speak for your movement. It’s called the Nugent Effect.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:37:41am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

There is a significant risk in letting fading rockstars seem to speak for your movement. It’s called the Nugent Effect.

Celebrities should be treated no better or worse than any other person when it comes to their political views. Nugent’s views suck.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:37:47am

re: #179 Timothy Watson

My professor for Constitutional Issues in Homeland Security said up-front that he would be a devil’s advocate during the class and he would argue the opposite of whatever point a student made. :)

My philosophy teacher in HS did that so well that I never discovered his actual views though I assume he leaned left but he was fair.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:38:28am

re: #178 Anymouse

Someone on Twitter trolling Donald Trump, seeking to get more followers than he has:

Followed Half An Onion yesterday.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:38:32am

re: #181 Belafon

Celebrities should be treated no better or worse than any other person when it comes to their political views. Nugent’s views suck.

And Madonna’s sound-bite is ill-crafted.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:41:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:41:21am

re: #181 Belafon

Celebrities should be treated no better or worse than any other person when it comes to their political views. Nugent’s views suck.

that is not the point: if a name is famous, it gets viewers and preferably, sparks a Twitter/FB war

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:41:31am

re: #184 Decatur Deb

And Madonna’s sound-bite is ill-crafted.

Sometimes things sound better in your head. I understand Michael Moore got cut off early.

As long as she got a few more people at the march to continue the energy of yesterday, I’m not worried. Spicer’s lying is way more important than an occasional “fuck” in a sentence.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:42:56am

re: #187 Belafon

Sometimes things sound better in your head. I understand Michael Moore got cut off early.

As long as she got a few more people at the march to continue the energy of yesterday, I’m not worried. Spicer’s lying is way more important than an occasional “fuck” in a sentence.

Someone mentioned that Ashley Judd cut Moore off and started talking. From the response on here, it was much celebrated.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:43:23am

Fuck off, Facebook, I do not want to “like” Shaun King.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:45:12am

re: #187 Belafon

Sometimes things sound better in your head. I understand Michael Moore got cut off early.

As long as she got a few more people at the march to continue the energy of yesterday, I’m not worried. Spicer’s lying is way more important than an occasional “fuck” in a sentence.

If you’re explaining, you’re losing.

nydailynews.com

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Alyosha  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:47:00am

Okay, at the risk of belaboring a point I’m sure most are cognisant of…

The narrative is fucked.
And is becoming more warped by the day.

Jews were killed by Nazis. That’s bad.

If X were in place they might have been able to defend themselves.

Historically astute people: ‘Well actually, it wouldn’t have worked that way. By the time it became obvious that the Jews would be slated for extermination, Germany had already defeated Poland and France, the latter of which had one of the most technologically advanced…’

Them: Cuck.

***** ******* ******

Actual Nazi spouts shit on a street corner in DC.

Outraged, targeted person (not triggered, targeted) socks that POS in the face.

People: Why would you do that? You’re becoming what you hate!

No, I’m doing what threatened people must do. I’m defending all of us.

These aren’t just cranks anymore. These people mill about the Oval Office. Right now.
I get the liberal urge to fight ideas with words. These are not people worth convincing. They WILL NOT be convinced.
We are in a situation where we are telling ourselves that events occurring hourly are not normal.

Don’t expect everyone to play by the rules. If you do, great. Principle might count for something if this evil is thwarted.
But not everyone has that luxury.

I’m not say that you, personally, must punch a Nazi. Just bear in mind that if your admonishment comes from a measured, rational place that abhors violence of any kind, it might be because you aren’t directly in the firing line.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:47:15am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

If you’re explaining, you’re losing.

nydailynews.com

Until #184, the only thing I’ve noticed people talking about is Spicer’s press rant.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:47:18am

re: #185 lawhawk

DT works harder than anyone. Period.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:48:05am

Sure.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:49:31am

re: #192 Belafon

Until #184, the only thing I’ve noticed people talking about is Spicer’s press rant.

#166. Newt gets enough oxygen for a few more Fox whines.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:49:40am

re: #191 Alyosha

Most of us should be like the biker guy who kept yelling in that Nazi’s face, and like the people who protested Spencer at Texas A&M.

But, once again, I’m not going to sympathize with Spencer in any way for running into that guy’s fist.

Edited: Wrong name.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:50:14am

re: #191 Alyosha

Liberal and/or pacifist do not equal unwilling to fight. With words when words will work, other means when they will not.

It was a Quaker who designed our nation’s first frigates for the US Navy.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:50:24am

re: #194 Jenner7

Sure.

MEDIA: Can you provide any documentation to the effect that POTUS has actually resigned from all his businesses?

HICKS: Maybe you’d like to be arrested?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:51:38am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

MEDIA: Can you provide any documentation to the effect that POTUS has actually resigned from all his businesses?

HICKS: Maybe you’d like to be arrested?

I am trying to remember the GAAP requirements about disclosing the President/CEO of a company leaving.

Not that Trump’s businesses would follow GAAP of course.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:52:39am

re: #194 Jenner7

Sure.

MEDIA: Has POTUS actually resigned from all his businesses?

KELLYANNE: He has not. We litigated this all out in the campaign and nobody cares.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:52:41am

re: #197 Anymouse

“After Germany declared war on the US, family routines were radically altered.”

That’s what happens when you have to fight for what you care about.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:52:51am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

MEDIA: Can you provide any documentation to the effect that POTUS has actually resigned from all his businesses?

HICKS: Maybe you’d like to be arrested?

I recall a reporter noting the other day (can’t remember who) saying he’d investigated a few states where Mr. Trump owns businesses and such paperwork to transfer the businesses had not been filed.

Transferring ownership or control of a business requires public filings. Should be no trouble for Ms. Hicks to provide that evidence, or the note from the IRS saying he is under audit.

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I cannot.  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:53:13am

re: #191 Alyosha

Exactly. If someone asks if I saw who punched a Nazi…I saw nothing, I heard nothing, and I’ll say nothing. If someone who punched a Nazi needs a lawyer, I’ll kick in a few bucks.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:53:15am

re: #81 Timothy Watson

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:53:15am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

MEDIA: Can you provide any documentation to the effect that POTUS has actually resigned from all his businesses?

HICKS: Maybe you’d like to be arrested?

Documentation is for little people. Trump is as good as his word.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:54:05am

re: #202 Anymouse

I recall a reporter noting the other day (can’t remember who) saying he’d investigated a few states where Mr. Trump owns businesses and such paperwork to transfer the businesses had not been filed.

Transferring ownership or control of a business requires public filings. Should be no trouble for Ms. Hicks to provide that evidence, or the note from the IRS saying he is under audit.

See: #103 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:55:10am

Petition to demand tax returns has more than met its 100k threshold for a response.
We already know what the response will be. Laughter from the GOP and Trump as he lies his ass off as to why he wont do so.

Audit. Or that people wont understand it. Or that people aren’t focused on this. Or that they’re focused on their own taxes.

Yeah, about that. We’re focused on our own taxes - and what we’ve paid in taxes. Funny, but what little we’ve seen of Trump’s taxes has been that he hasn’t paid federal taxes in years because of a billion dollar NOL that was carried forward for nearly 20 years. And that was a loss coming at a time when the casino industry was doing gangbusters, which suggests that Trump wasn’t nearly the business guru he claimed he would be.

Oh, and about not understanding taxes. There’s a whole lot of tax experts out there - CPAs, Tax Attorneys, LLMs in Tax. Tax Preparers. We’ve all seen complex taxes and know how to read a 1040 and other tax forms. You’re not producing something no one has ever seen before, unless you’ve created such a stream of BS that trying to unwind all the self dealing would create a hole in the fabric of time and space.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:55:24am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Documentation is for little people. Trump is as good as his word.

Yup. That’s why I had to sign conflict-of-interest paperwork when I assumed my position on the village board (I had one: My wife is paid by the village as the Library Director).

Mr. Trump ought to have a stack of such paperwork five feet high.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:58:05am

re: #207 lawhawk

I expect the petition site to go away.

It was created by the Obama Administration (that by itself might be enough). Aside from that, the kleptocracy being installed now doesn’t give a damn about cute things like petitions.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 7:59:22am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

See: #103 lawhawk

Well, I’m slow. Must be time for bed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:00:26am

re: #196 Belafon

Most of us should be like the biker guy who kept yelling in that Nazi’s face, and like the people who protested Spicer at Texas A&M.

But, once again, I’m not going to sympathize with Spicer in any way for running into that guy’s fist.

You mean Spencer, not Spicer.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:01:46am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks. Fixed.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:03:22am
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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:06:13am
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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:08:57am

re: #188 Timothy Watson

Someone mentioned that Ashley Judd cut Moore off and started talking. From the response on here, it was much celebrated.

As Michael Moore droned on with his airing of grievances and a multi-part “to do” list, it was a thing of beauty how they got him off the stage. Here is the exact moment.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:09:16am

re: #214 Anymouse

Nope. I think he’s up for reelection in 2018. I doubt he’s going to fight oil.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:09:29am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

Same here, where did these young assholes get the idea that the Nazis were the good guys? Hell, I watched Schlinder’s List in high school.

Is it just because they’re white and that means they must be special and superior to everyone else?

My first exposure to the Holocaust was when I was about ten.

Got up in the middle of the night, went into the living room to ask for a glass of water. My parents were watching a movie and I turned to look at it.

Judgement at Nuremberg was playing, and bulldozers pushing emaciated corpses into mass graves was on the screen.

Didn’t sleep well that night, and I’ll never, never forgive any person who contributed to such a horrific event then, nor those that think it is a good idea now.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:11:19am

re: #194 Jenner7

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Sure.

Where’s the birth certificate paperwork for this?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:16:18am

[Can’t find this tweet right now:
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]

OK, appears Weigel deleted the the tweet, but I can still see it…

@daveweigel
Twitter trolls who joke about putting people in camps react to Madonna’s “blow up the White House” comment

Youtube Video

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ipsos  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:16:41am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Day 3/1460.

1461, actually. The yam will be president on Feb. 29, 2020, too.

(Unless.)

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:17:42am

re: #220 ipsos

1461, actually. The yam will be president on Feb. 29, 2020, too.

(Unless.)

Damn leap years.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:17:51am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:20:30am

Isn’t that weird? His ideas were definitively defeated in 1945.

This fucker is comparing himself to Gandhi and MLK. He deserves to get punched again just for that. Or, I dunno, put him in jail for 27 years like Mandela.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:29:06am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:30:57am

SecDef Mattis first Call?
Guess a northern border wall is unlikely…
//

And yeah, I bet the Canadian Minister of National Defense’s twitter avatar is causing RWNJs to froth in panic…

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I cannot.  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:31:30am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:31:41am

re: #193 Sir John Barron

DT works harder than anyone. Period.

Fox 5 NY actually quipped that we’ll see that work ethic starting today.

I’m like, what total BS. We already see what the work ethic is. It’s baffling BS and not doing the job - where are all the nominees for all the positions he has to fill. He’s filled a fraction of the number. He’s more concerned with the trappings of power and ratings than he is in doing his fucking job.

This has consequences, of course. Sabotaging government and increasing the chances something bad happens when key info falls through the cracks.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:33:27am

re: #227 lawhawk

Fox 5 NY actually quipped that we’ll see that work ethic starting today.

I’m like, what total BS. We already see what the work ethic is. It’s baffling BS and not doing the job - where are all the nominees for all the positions he has to fill. He’s filled a fraction of the number. He’s more concerned with the trappings of power and ratings than he is in doing his fucking job.

This has consequences, of course. Sabotaging government and increasing the chances something bad happens when key info falls through the cracks.

yeah I retweeted. I guess we can be prepared for this kind of State News Media release from Faux every day for the next four years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:33:33am

re: #193 Sir John Barron

DT works harder than anyone. Period.

That is another one of those subjective and unquantifiable statements that will have people objectivizing and quantifying for ages

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:35:11am

re: #214 Anymouse

I guess he got the horse head in the bed treatment.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:38:17am

I was a nice Dad and went with our son to his dental appointment to get his first two wisdom teeth pulled this AM. The lucky kid has made it to adulthood and never had anything really painful (medically) happen to him so today he got an education. I was pulling his leg a bit prior to the appointment but he blew off my BS and went through it like a trooper.

Now he gets to enjoy drugs and sitting on his ass for the day and that’s just fine with him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:40:31am

re: #231 Odie Hugh Manatee

I was a nice Dad and went with our son to his dental appointment to get his first two wisdom teeth pulled this AM. The lucky kid has made it to adulthood and never had anything really painful (medically) happen to him so today he got an education. I was pulling his leg a bit prior to the appointment but he blew off my BS and went through it like a trooper.

Now he gets to enjoy drugs and sitting on his ass for the day and that’s just fine with him.

Last time I ever got drunk on whiskey was after I had my wisdom teeth out and the anesthetic started wearing off…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:41:41am

re: #231 Odie Hugh Manatee

I was a nice Dad and went with our son to his dental appointment to get his first two wisdom teeth pulled this AM. The lucky kid has made it to adulthood and never had anything really painful (medically) happen to him so today he got an education. I was pulling his leg a bit prior to the appointment but he blew off my BS and went through it like a trooper.

Now he gets to enjoy drugs and sitting on his ass for the day and that’s just fine with him.

If you want to harsh his buzz, tell him about “supernumerary” wisdom teeth. We lucky few can regrow a couple extra.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:43:20am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

If you want to harsh his buzz, tell him about “supernumerary” wisdom teeth. We lucky few can regrow a couple extra.

I’ve gotten this far without needing mine out. I’m not sure I want to know about whatever that is.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:44:26am
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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:45:59am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

Sajjan is a good man. Former infantry officer and he has been at the sharp end.

Plus I like the Sikhs generally.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:46:25am

re: #234 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’ve gotten this far without needing mine out. I’m not sure I want to know about whatever that is.

Just a couple teeth (small in this case) that are waiting to replace pulled wisdom teeth. Good genetic trait if your career is chewing mukluks to soften them.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:46:31am

ICYMI: Miss ‘Alternate Facts’ has walked back the tax return statement.

President Donald Trump’s counselor Kellyanne Conway claimed Monday that Trump was still under audit from the IRS and would not release his tax returns until the audit was finished.

Conway claimed there was an ongoing audit via her Twitter account.

I’m really starting to think that a lot of what I’ve attributed to malevolence is actually due to incompetence. Not that they’re not evil, I’m jst starting to think they’re not very good at it.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:46:35am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

SecDef Mattis first Call?
Guess a northern border wall is unlikely…
//

And yeah, I bet the Canadian Minister of National Defense’s twitter avatar is causing RWNJs to froth in panic…

Which country did Mattis call?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:47:54am

re: #238 makeitstop

ICYMI: Mis ‘Alternate Facts’ has walked back the tax return statement.

I’m really starting to think that a lot of what I’ve attributed to malevolence is actually due to incompetence. Not that they’re not evil, I’m just starting to think they’re not very good at it.

those are two traits that are hard to tell apart, especially through a smokescreen

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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:48:10am

re: #209 Anymouse

I expect the petition site to go away.

It was created by the Obama Administration (that by itself might be enough). Aside from that, the kleptocracy being installed now doesn’t give a damn about cute things like petitions.

You cannot petition The Lord with prayer.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:48:19am

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

Grumble, Grumble, Sarandon. But I think it’s time to focus on dealing with Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:49:38am

re: #242 Belafon

Grumble, Grumble, Sarandon. But I think it’s time to focus on dealing with Trump.

Last July was the time to focus on dealing with Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:50:02am

re: #209 Anymouse

I expect the petition site to go away.

It was created by the Obama Administration (that by itself might be enough). Aside from that, the kleptocracy being installed now doesn’t give a damn about cute things like petitions.

Yeah but DT is giving government back to the people! THE PEOPLE!

/

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:50:56am

re: #239 Sir John Barron

Which country did Mattis call?

Canada. Our Prime Minister made sure his cabinet was as diverse as the nation itself.

Which has made our wingnuts absolutely froth.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:51:29am

re: #242 Belafon

Grumble, Grumble, Sarandon. But I think it’s time to focus on dealing with Trump.

Yes. Prove this guy wrong:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:51:42am

re: #238 makeitstop

$10 says Trump will be “under audit” the entire time he is President.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:52:54am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Last July was the time to focus on dealing with Trump.

Well, my time machine’s broken.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:53:05am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

$10 says Trump will be “under audit” the entire time he is President.

A lot more says we will never see his tax returns unless they are leaked or subpoenaed…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:53:18am

re: #209 Anymouse

I expect the petition site to go away.

It was created by the Obama Administration (that by itself might be enough). Aside from that, the kleptocracy being installed now doesn’t give a damn about cute things like petitions.

All the pre-Inauguration petitions are gone. Trump era petitions only thing there.

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I cannot.  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:53:24am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t take that bet if you paid me.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:53:47am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

$10 says Trump will be “under audit” the entire time he is President.

He will, IRS is required per their policy manual to audit the President’s and Vice President’s tax returns.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:54:10am

re: #248 Belafon

Well, my time machine’s broken.

That’s why we invented History.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:54:31am

re: #246 Interesting Times

Yes. Prove this guy wrong:

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Some of the groups were asking people to sign up online.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:55:03am

re: #248 Belafon

Well, my time machine’s broken.

No problem, you can borrow mine…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:56:47am
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 8:58:53am

re: #254 Timothy Watson

Some of the groups were asking people to sign up online.

From what I saw, the buses had people getting names and passing out information. That was in the Washington Post article about the woman from Kentucky: washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:00:26am

re: #246 Interesting Times

Yes. Prove this guy wrong:

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Always a condescending dick like his pal Glenn.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:00:31am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:01:48am

Been soaking a cedar plank for an hour. Time to oil it up and slap on a side of salmon. BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:02:44am

re: #259 Jenner7

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No difference between the parties.//

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:06:17am

Maybe someone has posted this earlier: An early reference to alternative facts..

Dr. Who Face of Evil Part 4 in Jan 1977:
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views…

which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:10:49am

re: #99 Alyosha

When I was a kid I used to call my sister a “fascist pig” when we would fight. I didn’t know what it meant, I thought it must be worse than just being a pig.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:13:42am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:14:17am
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:15:03am

re: #262 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe someone has posted this earlier: An early reference to alternative facts..

Dr. Who Face of Evil Part 4 in Jan 1977:
You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views…

which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

Look up 1984 - specifically the parts about the Ministry of Truth Records Department (aka MiniTrue RecDep)

From The Wikipedia: entry:

The Ministry of Truth is involved with news media, entertainment, the fine arts and educational books. Its purpose is to rewrite history to change the facts to fit Party doctrine for propaganda effect. For example, if Big Brother makes a prediction that turns out to be wrong, the employees of the Ministry of Truth correct the record to make it accurate. This is the “how” of the Ministry of Truth’s existence. Within the novel, Orwell elaborates that the deeper reason for its existence, the “why”, is to maintain the illusion that the Party is absolute. It cannot ever seem to change its mind (if, for instance, they perform one of their constant changes regarding enemies during war) or make a mistake (firing an official or making a grossly misjudged supply prediction), for that would imply weakness and to maintain power the Party must seem eternally right and strong.

Minitrue plays a role as the news media by changing history, and changing the words in articles about events current and past, so that Big Brother and his government are always seen in a good light and can never do any wrong. The content is more propaganda than actual news.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:15:21am

The important news of today:

“Star Wars: Episode VIII” finally has a title: “The Last Jedi.”

The Walt Disney Co. announced the title for the next chapter in the Skywalker saga on Monday. “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” will be released Dec. 15.

Speculation over just who the last Jedi is immediately ran rampant on social media. “The Force Awakens” chronicled Daisy Ridley’s Rey discovering her powers with the Force, but ended ominously with a withdrawn Luke Skywalker on a remote island. If there’s to be just one Jedi left, Luke’s days could be numbered.

Writer-director Rian Johnson has previously said “Episode VIII” will start right where “The Force Awakens” left off.

richmond.com

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:16:02am

re: #194 Jenner7

Jim Acosta ✔ @Acosta
Hicks: “Yes he has. As stated at the press conference the transfer of assets and management was completed prior to or on January 20th”


10:41 AM - 23 Jan 2017

Sure.

They have established how it is going to be.

Everything anyone in the Trump administration states is going to claim it is an alternative fact.

The pattern was set this past weekend.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:16:50am
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:18:05am

re: #265 lawhawk

How do we get the Russians to release what they have on the GOP? The cynical part of me is yearning for payback. The not cynical part of me says that it needs to be released so the GOP can get over the revelations, hopefully taking down a few of their most corrupt players (McConnell for one).

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gocart mozart  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:19:34am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:19:42am

Paging Vicious!

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:19:56am

re: #246 Interesting Times

Yes. Prove this guy wrong:

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“I’m not a member of any organized party. I’m a Democrat.”
—Will Rogers

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:20:46am

So, the Trump twit kills TPP, and Bernie’s glad.

Because two economic illiterates doesn’t make a right outcome.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:21:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:21:36am

re: #270 Belafon

How do we get the Russians to release what they have on the GOP? The cynical part of me is yearning for payback. The not cynical part of me says that it needs to be released so the GOP can get over the revelations, hopefully taking down a few of their most corrupt players (McConnell for one).

The Russians are going to let it out in dribbles, just to keep America politically divided and dysfunctional and unable to respond to Russia doing whatever it wants in the world.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:22:09am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

$10 says Trump will be “under audit” the entire time he is President.

I’d rather he under supervised probation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:24:02am

re: #271 gocart mozart

Trump is a sociopath. He could lie his head off on a polygraph and it would even register.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:24:53am

re: #274 lawhawk

So, the Trump twit kills TPP, and Bernie’s glad.

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Because two economic illiterates doesn’t make a right outcome.

Can someone explain to me TPP better? I admit trade issues are a weakness of mine.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:25:12am

I don’t know if this SNL opening monologue has been posted, but it needs to be seen if you haven’t. I think it was brilliant. Obviously good enough that Lorne Michaels allowed him to do a 10 minute monologue to start the show after the cold opening this thread is based on.

I was not familiar with Aziz Ansari prior to the show Saturday night. I will be sure to watch for him more now.

Iframe

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:27:39am

re: #280 ObserverArt

I don’t know if this SNL opening monologue has been posted, but it needs to be seen if you haven’t. I think it was brilliant. Obviously good enough that Lorne Michaels allowed him to do a 10 minute monologue to start the show after the cold opening this thread is based on.

I was not familiar with Aziz Ansari prior to the show Saturday night. I will sure to watch for him more now.

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The little I’ve watched of Parks & Recreation, he’s been hilarious in. Definitely recommend.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:29:28am

So it begins…..

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:32:09am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

It already began on Friday with Trump screwing home buyers.

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gocart mozart  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:33:21am
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sagehen  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:34:00am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Can someone explain to me TPP better? I admit trade issues are a weakness of mine.

It’s an economic alliance (sorta similar to “favored nation” status) between the US and all the Asian nations that *aren’t* China. It makes us their go-to best friend, and gives them leverage to tell China to go fuck itself.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:34:18am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Can someone explain to me TPP better? I admit trade issues are a weakness of mine.

It was meant to counteract China’s trade influence, but the reason so many progressive/environmental groups were against it was because of the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) portion - it would have allowed foreign corps to sue governments for environmental and consumer protection laws that supposedly “interfered” with their profits.

NAFTA has an ISDS provision already, and TransCanada used it to sue the Obama admin over rejecting the Keystone Pipeline (something that’s moot now, since I assume Pumpkin Pinochet will let it sail on through)

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:36:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:37:21am

re: #287 Interesting Times

My issue with global trade is that we not only have to compete on wages but we have to compete with nations whose safety and economic laws are primitive or simply unenforced.

So not only are we shooting our own selves in the foot, we are giving these other nations no incentive to clean up their act.

And it sounds like the TPP would work counter to that by allowing foreign governments to sue those countries that thy to pass and enforce environmental and safety legislation…

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:37:39am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

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YOU USED BAD WORDS THEREFORE YOUR POINT IS IRRLEVELANT!1!!!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:39:35am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

YOU USED BAD WORDS THEREFORE YOUR POINT IS IRRLEVELANT!1!!!

Yeah, the snowflake deplorables are losing their shit because Madonna and Ashley Judd were not politically correct.

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:40:15am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And it sounds like the TPP would work counter to that by allowing foreign governments to sue those countries that thy to pass and enforce environmental and safety legislation…

Revising/improving TPP would be the right solution to that problem; throwing it out entirely means that problem remains, but now they’ll be under China’s influence and protection instead of ours. And in any dispute between us and China, they’ll have to side with China.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:40:31am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

Yeah, the snowflake deplorables are losing their shit because Madonna and Ashley Judd were not politically correct.

Political correctness, bad.

Conservative correctness, good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:42:56am

re: #292 sagehen

Revising/improving TPP would be the right solution to that problem; throwing it out entirely means that problem remains, but now they’ll be under China’s influence and protection instead of ours. And in any dispute between us and China, they’ll have to side with China.

We need to rethink global trade: it does not benefit American workers, and whatever slight benefits our consumers gain, remember, that our consumers need to earn money before spending it…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:46:09am

Thanks guys. Looks like to me it’s flawed but not the horrible legislation Trump and Sanders made it out to be.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:46:50am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to rethink global trade: it does not benefit American workers, and whatever slight benefits our consumers gain, remember, that our consumers need to earn money before spending it…

Indeed. I’ll go so far as to say that TPP was what killed HRC more than Comey/Wikileaks/Russia:

Facebook Post

(and yes, I know HRC said she was against it, but not enough people believed her :( Also keep in mind trump was the only GOPer running for president who opposed it)

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:49:10am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

YOU USED BAD WORDS THEREFORE YOUR POINT IS IRRLEVELANT!1!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:49:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:49:44am

I know Obama made strong relationships with the Pacific rim nations a big priority. Obama had an unique understanding of that having spent part of his childhood in Indonesia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:51:02am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I know Obama made strong relationships with the Pacific rim nations a big priority. Obama had an unique understanding of that having spent part of his childhood in Indonesia.

“Strong trade relationships” should not have to be another term for “exporting our jobs in exchange for cheap consumer goods”.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:52:12am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Yep. Posted last night.

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I can’t help but think about that ep. too. But it’s important to note that the episode ended on a less than triumphant note: Picard admitted that the torture not only had him at the point where he was ready to say there were five lights, but he actually convinced himself there were five lights before he was rescued.

This kind of gaslighting has to be fought upfront and repeatedly, because if it’s left run without a check, it’ll work.

re: #283 Dr. Matt

So it begins…..

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Because of course they would….

re: #291 Dr. Matt

Yeah, the snowflake deplorables are losing their shit because Madonna and Ashley Judd were not politically correct.

I still find myself wondering how ‘snowflake’ became one of the go-to dismissive diminutives by the right, considering how often they declare their ‘rugged individualism’.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:53:30am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Strong trade relationships” should not have to be another term for “exporting our jobs in exchange for cheap consumer goods”.

I agree with that too but at the same the protectionist rhetoric by Trump and Sanders rubs me the wrong way.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:54:26am

re: #301 Citizen K

I can’t help but think about that ep. too. But it’s important to note that the episode ended on a less than triumphant note: Picard admitted that the torture not only had him at the point where he was ready to say there were five lights, but he actually convinced himself there were five lights before he was rescued.

This kind of gaslighting has to be fought upfront and repeatedly, because if it’s left run without a check, it’ll work.

Because of course they would….

I still find myself wondering how ‘snowflake’ became one of the go-to dismissive diminutives by the right, considering how often they declare their ‘rugged individualism’.

When they decided to mock liberal millennial students.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:55:02am

re: #301 Citizen K

I still find myself wondering how ‘snowflake’ became one of the go-to dismissive diminutives by the right, considering how often they declare their ‘rugged individualism’.

snowflakes are individual, but certainly not rugged…

point is, it gives them another chance to demean and insult people simply for asking to be treated with a due degree of deference

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:55:52am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

When they decided to mock liberal millennial students.

I get why, but it’s still just a blinding irony that those who declare their fealty to aggressive individualism uses the most enduring metaphor for uniqueness as an attack.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:57:10am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:57:12am

re: #305 Citizen K

I get why, but it’s still just a blinding irony that those who declare their fealty to aggressive individualism uses the most enduring metaphor for uniqueness as an attack.

They attack political correctness too but they’re very PC when they’re the ones mocked.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:57:34am

About their economic anxiety, no doubt.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:59:19am

re: #308 Skip Intro

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About their economic anxiety, no doubt.

Of course, he spoke at my campus’s Youth for Western Civilization chapter once too. In the Bush years, he was fringe GOP, now he’s mainstream,

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weave  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:03:51am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

snowflakes are individual, but certainly not rugged…

point is, it gives them another chance to demean and insult people simply for asking to be treated with a due degree of deference

That’s what I don’t get. I *do* try and honestly listen to all sides of an argument, and the talk about Democrats being dismissive of small town America is compelling. The deplorable comment, even though it was blown out of proportion, wasn’t the wisest thing Clinton ever said. You shouldn’t insult fellow Americans and expect their support…

“…when voters are demeaned, ridiculed and insulted they tend to vote in larger numbers than expected against those who demean, ridicule and insult them.”
— Brent Budowsky

With that said — they lose all credibility when so many on the right, including regular people talking about being insulted, just turn around and insult liberals and progressives — and they are much better at the insults than we are.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:04:16am

re: #296 Interesting Times

The jobs lost can’t be tied to NAFTA without explaining away how automation and technology have made certain jobs obsolete and that computerization and robotics has made it possible to build more stuff with fewer people.

It’s the same thing with mining. Technology means fewer men can mine more minerals, including coal, than just a generation earlier.

These jobs are never coming back, just as whalers aren’t going to spot a return, or carriage makers are going to make a comeback either.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:06:08am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:06:24am

re: #286 sagehen

It’s an economic alliance (sorta similar to “favored nation” status) between the US and all the Asian nations that *aren’t* China. It makes us their go-to best friend, and gives them leverage to tell China to go fuck itself.

Although China was one of DT’s favorite whipping boys from what I remember during the campaign.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:06:30am

re: #311 lawhawk

And NAFTA actually increased our exports to Mexico.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:07:48am

re: #308 Skip Intro

About their economic anxiety, no doubt.

“Breitbart columnist” is a bit of a step-down from “U.S. Congressman”.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:07:50am

re: #313 Sir John Barron

Although China was one of DT’s favorite whipping boys from what I remember during the campaign.

It still is, and Trump is going to play a very dangerous game. One of the realignments I hear is the US and Russia teaming up against China.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:09:44am

re: #308 Skip Intro

VDare is currently selling tickets to its 2017 conference at Tenaya Lodge in Yosemite National Park. Tancredo is scheduled to speak alongside Brimelow and white nationalist leader Jared Taylor, who has argued that “the races are not equal and equivalent.” Taylor also attended Trump’s inauguration and wrote that he sat in “the VIP section.”

What a swell gathering.

//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:09:59am

re: #316 Belafon

It still is, and Trump is going to play a very dangerous game. One of the realignments I hear is the US and Russia teaming up against China.

That’s a stupid one. God knows I have no love for the PRC government but nope.

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:10:02am

re: #316 Belafon

It still is, and Trump is going to play a very dangerous game. One of the realignments I hear is the US and Russia teaming up against China.

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:11:06am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

We. Are. Fucked.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:12:34am

re: #315 Sir John Barron

“Breitbart columnist” is a bit of a step-down from “U.S. Congressman”.

I’m not so sure with Bannon leading Trump around by the nose. He could end up on the Supreme Court.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:13:02am
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Bear  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:13:09am

Looks as if I may get some exercise today with the snowblower.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:16:35am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:17:06am

Fuck Twitter.

I just had to unfollow Trump. Never followed him in the first place.

I think someone on Trumps staff had a talk with Twitter. Make everyone follow Trump or we will block any buyout attempts.

Like a said fuck Twitter and Trump.

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:18:33am

Talk about shade. Wonder when their twitter acct. will be upended by the yam.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:19:30am

I really don’t like that gold drapery. The previous burgundy had a much warmer feel and better contrast.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:20:15am

re: #325 I Would Prefer Not To

Fuck Twitter.

I just had to unfollow Trump. Never followed him in the first place.

I think someone on Trumps staff had a talk with Twitter. Make everyone follow Trump or we will block any buyout attempts.

Like a said fuck Twitter and Trump.

Are you referring to the POTUS acct or realDonaldTrump?

I unfollowed POTUS on Friday morning and have never followed rDT

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:20:16am

re: #325 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s probably not quite that nefarious. They created POTUS44, attempted to move every comment and follower from POTUS to it, and then created POTUS as a blank account. Probably not what they were set up for, especially if they tried to move every link.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:20:36am

re: #321 Skip Intro

I’m not so sure with Bannon leading Trump around by the nose. He could end up on the Supreme Court.

Good point.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:20:54am

re: #326 BeachDem

Talk about shade. Wonder when their twitter acct. will be upended by the yam.

Although DoD actually does have their new Secretary in place.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:21:06am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

There are plenty of times when a well placed and used “fuck” is entirely appropriate. And quite honestly, given what we’ve seen/heard from 45, I’m going to say each of those f-bombs were entirely appropriate.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:21:32am

re: #325 I Would Prefer Not To

And his incompetent staff couldn’t be bothered to get a properly sized photo for his banner? Seriously? For someone so fixated on image, that’s a nightmare of distortion and pixelation.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:25:20am

re: #327 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I really don’t like that gold drapery. The previous burgundy had a much warmer feel and better contrast.

But it’s gold. Therefore, by definition, it must be classier and richer.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:25:59am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

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“So signing this will make me real popular, Mike?”
“Oh yeah, totally, Don. And now there’s this exec order here about stem-cell research that will totally boost your ratings…”

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:26:42am

No wonder Trump hired Spicer - the guy’s as petty and vindictive as his boss.

Before White House Press Secretary began fudging facts, he was fighting…Dippin’ Dots.

Starting in 2010, the man who would become the top spokesman for the President of the United States devoted scoops of tweets to attacking the beady frozen treat known as the “Ice Cream of the Future.”

Sean Spicer kept his cream conflict going for five years — stretching through his tenure with the Republican National Committee.

On April 7, 2010, Spicer — then working for Endeavor Global Strategies, a PR firm he cofounded — let it be known to his Twitter flock: “Dippin dots is NOT the ice cream of the future.”

In September 2011, after Spicer had joined the Republican National Committee as communications director, he brought back the issue, writing: “I think I have said this before but Dippin Dots are notthe ice cream of the future (sic).”

Two months later, Spicer shared a Wall Street Journal story about Dippin’ Dots filing for bankruptcy.

His resentment seemed to melt for a few years, until September 2015. By then, he had advanced to become the RNC’s chief strategist.

Spicer, possibly at a baseball game, tweeted: “If Dippin Dots was truly the ice cream of the future would not have run out of vanilla.” He tagged the Washington Nationals in his post.

What the fuck is this dude’s problem with fucking ice cream???

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:29:25am

re: #336 makeitstop

No wonder Trump hired Spicer - the guy’s as petty and vindictive as his boss.

What the fuck is this dude’s problem with fucking ice cream???

I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:30:14am

re: #336 makeitstop

No wonder Trump hired Spicer - the guy’s as petty and vindictive as his boss.

What the fuck is this dude’s problem with fucking ice cream???

I never even heard of “Dippin Dots”

*Googles*

Oh how lame.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:30:49am

re: #336 makeitstop

No wonder Trump hired Spicer - the guy’s as petty and vindictive as his boss.

What the fuck is this dude’s problem with fucking ice cream???

Does he have kids? I can understand hating on Dippin’ Dots if you’ve ever had your kids beg for it. It’s shitty, overpriced, gimmicky ice cream that tends to get sold at amusement parks and the like.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:30:57am

The are not so tasty, either

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rhuarc  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:31:19am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a Putin relative all the way on the right? Looks like him.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:32:00am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:32:24am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Is the guy on the far right of the photo Putin’s cousin?

// (I think?)

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:33:04am

re: #342 Citizen K

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“The working man’s president” is further walling himself off from the working man.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:33:33am

re: #339 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Does he have kids? I can understand hating on Dippin’ Dots if you’ve ever had your kids beg for it. It’s shitty, overpriced, gimmicky ice cream that tends to get sold at amusement parks and the like.

So… not the ice cream of the future, then? :)

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:33:42am

re: #336 makeitstop

Go look up the story about his college newspaper having misspelled his name is Sphincter.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:33:56am

re: #341 rhuarc

Is that a Putin relative all the way on the right? Looks like him.

re: #343 KGxvi

Is the guy on the far right of the photo Putin’s cousin?

// (I think?)

Great minds and all that…

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:33:59am

re: #342 Citizen K

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:34:15am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to rethink global trade: it does not benefit American workers, and whatever slight benefits our consumers gain, remember, that our consumers need to earn money before spending it…

I’m going to have to disagree that broadly-defined “global trade” doesn’t benefit American workers: I’m sure that the workers at Boeing are extremely happy to be able to export their aircraft beyond the American market. TPP faced a lot of resistance in Japan due to fears that American rice growers would flood the local market.

NAFTA is a very specific case: Mexico is physically adjacent to us with good transportation links and lower wages. These conditions are not replicated for TPP countries (except in so far as Mexico is one); I suppose all the companies might threaten to run out and move their factories to Malaysia, but that seems like rather a larger step. Post-US-in-TPP we are either going to see a collapse of the agreement with China picking up the pieces, or a somewhat weird Japan-led version of the bloc which will be … interesting.

I have to admit I have a somewhat contrary view of “global trade.” IMO being willing to trade with the poorer countries of the world is the single greatest humanitarian act the US has ever engaged in, far eclipsing any development aid we have ever given. Should we have managed the domestic impact better? Indeed. (And it could have been done.) But from a global perspective, it’s been a great thing. Almost by definition, a poor country is going to have lower wages and looser employment laws (and so did we a century ago, ahem), but to refuse to trade with them for that reason is to guarantee it’s not going to get any better.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:37:18am

re: #348 Jenner7

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Alas, I wish I wasn’t blocked by Imani. I don’t even know why I’m blocked by her.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:37:21am
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Donkey With No Name  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:38:20am

re: #286 sagehen

It’s an economic alliance (sorta similar to “favored nation” status) between the US and all the Asian nations that *aren’t* China. It makes us their go-to best friend, and gives them leverage to tell China to go fuck itself.

Actually, to be a bit clearer: it goes beyond most favored nation status (which basically means “we’re not going to screw you over in particular”) - even China has that with us. Countries can be better-than-most-favored-nation (e.g. us and Canada/Mexico under NAFTA).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:38:51am

re: #341 rhuarc

Is that a Putin relative all the way on the right? Looks like him.

LOL I thought so too.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:40:20am

re: #345 makeitstop

So… not the ice cream of the future, then? :)

Yeah, that sounds like something I’d rant about on Twitter. I carried on against a particular auto parts store for their awful jingle over the course of several months/tweets, but I’m not the Mouth of Sauron…

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:41:00am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:41:18am

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

Are you referring to the POTUS acct or realDonaldTrump?

I unfollowed POTUS on Friday morning and have never followed rDT

Raal Donald Trump

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:41:30am

re: #350 Citizen K

Alas, I wish I wasn’t blocked by Imani. I don’t even know why I’m blocked by her.

Probably you were following someone who was chain-blocked by her.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:42:36am

re: #355 Citizen K

I’m old enough to remember when the whole GOP case against Hillary was “corruption”.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:42:41am

re: #350 Citizen K

Alas, I wish I wasn’t blocked by Imani. I don’t even know why I’m blocked by her.

DM her and ask her to unblock you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:44:02am

re: #359 Belafon

DM her and ask her to unblock you.

You can’t DM someone who doesn’t follow you, much less blocks you. You have to find a friend who is followed by her to put in a good word for you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:44:49am

re: #320 GlutenFreeJesus

We. Are. Fucked.

Fucked “Я” Us!

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:45:24am

re: #350 Citizen K

Same here. I think she blocked a bunch of people after getting slagged, and I was caught up in that.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:45:25am

Facebook Post

Love me some Ana Navarro, even when it isn’t politics-related.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:46:38am

re: #266 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

It’s why I often refer to that cable news network as ‘The Ministry of Truth’. Been doing that since the day that they announced the news of a sex scandal, and reported the Republican involved as a Democrat.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:46:40am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Gabe Ortiz blocked me once, and I finally begged him to unblock me. Maybe they’ve changed the rule since then. I could have sworn I DMed him.

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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:46:53am

re: #341 rhuarc

Is that a Putin relative all the way on the right? Looks like him.

I was thinking he looked like Fredo. He’s there because he’s smart, not like everybody says.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:47:42am

re: #365 Belafon

Gabe Ortiz blocked me once, and I finally begged him to unblock me. Maybe they’ve changed the rule since then. I could have sworn I DMed him.

You can’t DM someone who blocked you. Think about how much that would suck to receive DMs from somebody that you blocked.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:47:47am

re: #108 darthstar

What a difference between these First Couples!!

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:48:13am
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ipsos  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:48:36am

Well.

Spicer’s acting more like a normal press secretary today. Baby steps, I guess…though I’m not happy that MSNBC is playing along with the revised narrative and calling this the “first briefing.”

There are still four lights, dammit.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:48:46am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

You can’t DM someone who blocked you. Think about how much that would suck to receive DMs from somebody that you blocked.

You’re right now that I think about it. I just know I contacted him directly somehow.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:49:39am

re: #370 ipsos

Well.

Spicer’s acting more like a normal press secretary today. Baby steps, I guess…though I’m not happy that MSNBC is playing along with the revised narrative and calling this the “first briefing.”

There are still four lights, dammit.

We’ll call the other one the zeroth press conference. Software counting.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:49:40am

Trump can sign whatever he wants. Congress can do the same. Doesn’t mean I’m going to obey it if I consider it morally wrong.

I simply will not do it. Not only that, I will fight with everything I have.

I’ve seen the backlash hit hard against our marches on Saturday. I expected some of it but it’s unhinged some people, including Trump. And I processed it and I get why they’re so rattled and lashing out.

We were supposed to just accept it, lie down, and take our beating. We were supposed to do what is “best for the country and accept that things have changed.” And these marches made the authoritarians and others that voted him in understand that we don’t have to listen to them or do what they say.

They’ve had in their heads for years that there is this vast liberal conspiracy, this strange paranoia. Well, seeing a couple of million people marching and protesting across the country validated their fever dreams.

So, now what do they do?

They probably get 2 years with a majority at the rate things are going. They’ve got to shove their agenda through quickly. But this won’t last. Trump is reverting back to things that Republican presidents had in place before. As soon as the Dems are back in office we’ll just override them again.

The Republican base is shrinking and dying. The world has changed. This is the last gasp, the Hail Mary pass.

And Democrats have already learned from the election. We’ll take our two years of fighting and losing, then we’ll take it all back. People are learning very quickly that Trump conned them into voting for him. And if the Republicans decide it’s time to impeach him and kill him off, that vindictive asshole is taking down everyone he can with him.

2 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:50:48am

re: #349 Donkey With No Name

I’m going to have to disagree that broadly-defined “global trade” doesn’t benefit American workers: I’m sure that the workers at Boeing are extremely happy to be able to export their aircraft beyond the American market. TPP faced a lot of resistance in Japan due to fears that American rice growers would flood the local market.

In terms of super-high tech, then the US does benefit from free trade: there are few companies that can keep up with Boeing on the world market.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post that my issue with globalism is this: we try to compete not only on wages (which we should do, our impetus to be more productive and work smarter) but also on worker safety and environmental regulations.

That is really damaging not only our job market, but it provides no incentive for other nations to shape up and clean up their act.

All we get in exchange for that sort of low-to-medium tech trade-off are cheap goods and sub-minimum-wage jobs at Wal-Mart selling it.

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ipsos  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:51:54am

re: #372 Belafon

We’ll call the other one the zeroth press conference. Software counting.

I forget where it was now, but I was somewhere the other day where the checkout lines were numbered “0, 1, 2, …”

Figured a programmer was involved.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:54:30am

Maybe now he will divest so others get stuck with the loss.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:54:58am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:56:34am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe now he will divest so others get stuck with the loss.

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Or “renegotiate” the lease so it’s more “fair”?

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:57:04am

President training wheels.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:58:13am

re: #379 jaunte

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President training wheels.

A bar so low, even Hermes Conrad would have trouble limboing under it.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:59:01am

The Trump cabal of cronies is going to make sure that only the right sort ask questions that they already know the answers to.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:59:43am
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:59:53am

re: #381 lawhawk

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The Trump cabal of cronies is going to make sure that only the right sort ask questions that they already know the answers to.

“And now I’ll take the planted questions agreed to in advance…first, New York Post…”

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ipsos  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:00:50am

He did eventually call on April Ryan, so there’s that.

But he also said “eliminate duplicity” when he meant “eliminate duplication,” so he’s still a moron.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:01:16am

re: #381 lawhawk

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The Trump cabal of cronies is going to make sure that only the right sort ask questions that they already know the answers to.

President Von Clownstick is going to pack the press room with wingnut small press & blogs who will toss drooling softballs. That’s the Putin press model.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:01:36am

re: #381 lawhawk

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The Trump cabal of cronies is going to make sure that only the right sort ask questions that they already know the answers to.

I just tuned in and didn’t hear the full question, but I think the topic was the hiring freeze. Spicer said it would help reduce “duplicity.” Would someone hand that man a dictionary?

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:02:05am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

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This is not out of the realm of possibility, considering Trump. Remember, Trump is the man who said that he first and foremost spoke with himself regarding Foreign Poilcy, because he has a ‘very good brain’

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #386 calochortus

Gotta learn to type faster.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:02:49am

re: #386 calochortus

I just tuned in and didn’t hear the full question, but I think the topic was the hiring freeze. Spicer said it would help reduce “duplicity.” Would someone hand that man a dictionary?

That would only help if he read it.

Assumes (alternative) facts not in evidence.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:02:56am

re: #386 calochortus

Spicer said it would help reduce “duplicity.”

This presidency will have the biggest, most beautiful duplicity in human history.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:04:19am

re: #386 calochortus

I just tuned in and didn’t hear the full question, but I think the topic was the hiring freeze. Spicer said it would help reduce “duplicity.” Would someone hand that man a dictionary?

Even when reading from a script, the man can’t get it right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:04:27am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:04:48am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Last July was the time to focus on dealing with Trump.

Amen!! I don’t want to hear from or see Sarandon for a longboard time. She was extremely hostile to Clinton and even argued that Trump would be a better President.

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gocart mozart  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:05:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:05:35am

re: #342 Citizen K

Okay I just called the number in that tweet and spoke to a human being.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:06:20am

Looks like the idea of a Tax Day protest against Trump is building steam: dailykos.com.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:07:15am

re: #363 Timothy Watson

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Love me some Ana Navarro, even when it isn’t politics-related.

Ana was on Power Players celeb jeopardy with Al Franken this spring. You could tell she liked him despite their differences ideology. I certainly have ideological disagreements with her but Ana gets the basic principle of human decency and also as an immigrant she wants a welcoming country.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:07:48am

re: #386 calochortus

I just tuned in and didn’t hear the full question, but I think the topic was the hiring freeze. Spicer said it would help reduce “duplicity.” Would someone hand that man a dictionary?

Me thinks there is a little Freudian slip showing. The current president is duplicitous as is the sycophant behind the podium.

But, I am absolutely 100% confident that Federal employees are not being hired to do work that could be considered redundant. We don’t have the FTEs to do the job that is required, let alone hire extras to duplicate a duty. See the IRS, FDA, …. ad nauseam

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:07:51am

re: #392 The Vicious Babushka

LOL. A bunch of us at work loved that one.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:08:57am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Ana was on Power Players celeb jeopardy with Al Franken this spring. You could tell she liked him despite their differences ideology. I certainly have ideological disagreements with her but Ana gets the basic principle of human decency and also as an immigrant she wants a welcoming country.

I saw a replay of an episode with her and she had some joke about Trump during the interview segment. :)

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:09:35am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:10:07am
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:10:49am

re: #401 jaunte

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re: #402 jaunte

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Facts have a known liberal bias.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:11:08am

No promises!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:11:41am

re: #400 Timothy Watson

I saw a replay of an episode with her and she had some joke about Trump during the interview segment. :)

She just seems like she’d be a fun person to talk to. I always like talking to immigrants. They have unique perspectives and an appreciation for our country that natives don’t.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:11:52am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

YOU USED BAD WORDS THEREFORE YOUR POINT IS IRRLEVELANT!1!!!

But if you use racist words/imagery, you’re alright. Remember those racist Tea Bagger signs? I sure do.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:12:03am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:12:12am

Holy shit…..

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:12:38am

re: #401 jaunte

You can disagree about how to interpret factual information. You cannot disagree on what the facts are and have any sort of intelligent conversation. And, you definitely cannot have facts and lies about the same situation and have any sort of rational conversation.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:12:45am

re: #286 sagehen

It’s an economic alliance (sorta similar to “favored nation” status) between the US and all the Asian nations that *aren’t* China. It makes us their go-to best friend, and gives them leverage to tell China to go fuck itself.

In my opinion that is its stated purpose.

Its actual purpose is to place transnational corporations outside of any national, social or ethical attachments. It is meant to protect corporate profits and nothing more.

That it makes sure copyright, trademarks and patents are protected while making not the slightest effort to protect wages or the environment gives away the game. It also impoverishes the nations involved as things like paying taxes is removed as a corporate responsibility.

In addition it undermines national sovereignty through Investor-State Dispute Settlement. Essentially any law that is brought into being in a nation can be bought before an arbitration board and if found to be ‘damaging a corporation’s investment’ then the nation is under obligation to cover the corporation’s investment and any profits that might have come from the investment. Meaning the taxpayers will be paying a corporation.

I’m not against trade but it’s been awhile since any ‘free trade agreement’ has actually been about trade.

Please note, this is entirely my opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:12:54am

re: #401 jaunte

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Fact, Trump wears a diaper and refers to Ivanka as mommy.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:13:38am

Power play. “We will determine reality.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:14:08am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Fact, Trump wears a diaper and refers to Ivanka as mommy.

All the time? Or just when they’re role-playing?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:14:32am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

All the time? Or just when they’re role-playing?

All the time.

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ipsos  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:14:46am

I cannot figure out at this point whether the questioner is playing Spicer or Spicer is playing the questioner. This is bizarre. Who else is watching it live?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:22am

re: #396 Belafon

Looks like the idea of a Tax Day protest against Trump is building steam: dailykos.com.

Tax Day is an Official Real Conservative Patriot Americans Protest Day, who are Taxed Enough Already (TEA), and who don’t need to show you their tax returns to prove it so shut up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:37am

re: #415 ipsos

Not I thank God.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:42am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:52am

How many days does Sean Spicer have left before Trump decides he’s the problem.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:55am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Fact, Trump wears a diaper and refers to Ivanka as mommy.

To quote Sterling Archer, “Yes, the mind can indeed vomit.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:16:27am

re: #419 jaunte

How many days does Sean Spicer have left before Trump decides he’s the problem.

Far too many.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:16:31am

re: #419 jaunte

How many days does Sean Spicer have left before Trump decides he’s the problem.

“Sean, my ratings are tanking! You’re fired!”

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:17:16am

So many lies to keep covering for.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:17:40am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:18:19am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:18:54am

Has Neil Degrasse Tyson ripped Spicer to shreds yet?

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:03am

re: #425 jaunte

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Nixon needed a full term to work himself up to this level of ratfuckery.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:08am

re: #423 jaunte

So many lies to keep covering for.

It’s documented on video. If they lie and no one believes them, then what?

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:14am

re: #424 Citizen K

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Yeah, you’d think he’d phrase it “We can disagree as to what the facts are” rather than disagreeing with the facts. But I suppose the way he put it is more accurate.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:21am

re: #423 jaunte

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:34am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:19:48am

re: #422 Targetpractice

“Sean, my ratings are tanking! You’re fired!”

public opinion polls are rigged just like all the other polls.

/

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:21:15am

re: #426 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Neil Degrasse Tyson ripped Spicer to shreds yet?

Facts are getting shredded just as surely as matter is getting annihilated around the neutron star of derp that is Spicer (and he’s orbiting the supermassive black hole of derp at the center of the GOP - Trump). What’s being released is Trumpian levels of derp - lies, smears, and obfuscations.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:21:19am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:22:04am
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calochortus  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:23:37am

Spicer trying to avoid saying unemployment is low.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:24:09am

This remake of 1984 isn’t very good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:26:00am

re: #434 GlutenFreeJesus

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This is the best one.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:26:07am

re: #437 Targetpractice

This remake of 1984 isn’t very good.

Yeah Trump isn’t a good actor and I don’t think this Spicer guy can act at all.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:26:28am

re: #436 calochortus

Because that’d be an admission against interest - Trump has spent past year claiming the economy is awful - worst ever - and got enough people to buy into that bullshit that they elected him. The same people who endured 10%+ unemployment when Obama took office and are seeing 5% now think that things are worse off for them.

Yeah, there’s a huge disconnect, and that goes to how the media has been playing things for a long time now.

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ericblair  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:52:40am

re: #394 gocart mozart

Rule for 2017: Anytime you mention (disgraced DIA director) LtGen Mike Flynn (who was fired) also mention he immediately took Kremlin money.

I’m so old I remember how OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED I tell you, wingnuts with security clearances were about Clinton’s emails. If they had done the same thing they’d have LOST THEIR CLEARANCES. Meanwhile, LTG Mike Fucking Flynn was paid by the Russian government to appear on their propaganda channel and is still cleared for every goddamn thing in the government, and crickets.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:55:03am

re: #123 Eventual Carrion

They sure should consider themselves lucky. Back in the day my grandfather was throwing lead at them at high velocity (other grandpa was in the Pacific).

My dad spent WWII in a tank, in North Africa and Italy.


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