Awesome New Snarky Puppy-Ish Music: Bokanté, “Jou Ké Ouvè”

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Bokanté - Jou Ké Ouvè
From the album “Strange Circles,” to be released May 2017 on GroundUP Music.

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Recorded and filmed at Dreamland Studios in West Hurley, New York, in April of 2016.

Written by Michael League & Malika Tirolien.
Music arranged by Michael League.
Vocals arranged and lyrics written by Malika Tirolien.

Produced by Michael League.

Personnel:
Malika Tirolien - vocals
Roosevelt Collier - lap steel guitar
Michael League - baritone guitar & bass
Chris McQueen - baritone guitar
Bob Lanzetti - electric guitar
Jamey Haddad - percussion
André Ferrari - percussion
Keita Ogawa - percussion

Engineered and mixed by Nic Hard.
Assisted by Bella Blasko.
Mastered by Scott Hull at Masterdisk NYC.
Filmed by Andy LaViolette, Simon C.F. Yu, Yusuke Suzuki, and Michael League.

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LYRICS:

(Creole)

Es ou sav x2
Ki moun ou yé?

Ou ka di pawol aw
Sé pawol a bondyé
Ou ka di komès aw
Sé volonté ay ou sèten
Ou vlé nou tout’ koutéw
Pou nou pé alé
Viv o Paradis
Sel koté ki ka konté
Ou vlé fè moun komprann
Sé vou ki ni rézon
É lé moun ki an to
Yo pa bizwen viv pli lontan
Fo nou chwazi on bo
Espéré sé le bon
Èvè lè nou ké mo
Bondyé ké fè kè an nou kontan

Ki jan nou ké fè rivé
Rantré an kaz a bondyé
Èvè dé pyé an nou souyé
Ranpli san a sé frè la nou tchouyé

Yo ka di “zétrangé”
Sé yo ki danjéré
Yo pa vlé rikonet
Moun la ki an fas sé rèflè a yo
Yo savé byen
Pouki yo ka goumé
A pa ba Bondyé
Ego a yo ranplasé zyé a yo
Yo pa vlé respekté ayen
(Pa vlé respekté sé la ki pa ka sanm yo)
Si sa pa ka sanm yo
Presmyé kontrolé moun
Èvè liv sen a yo
Mé lew byen gadé
(Yo vlé kontrolé moun èvè liv sen a yo)
Ni twop kontradiksyon
Bondyé la yo vlé ou pè
Sé ta la ki an didanw

Ki jan nou ké fè rivé
Rantré an kaz a bondyé
Èvè dé pyé an nou souyé
Ranpli san a sé frè la nou tchouyé
Es ou sav x2
Ki moun ou yé?

A fos nou enmé nou
Dèmen jou ké méyè
A fos nou enmé nou
Dèmen jou ké ouvè

É
Yo vlé x4
É
Yo vlé few détesté frè aw
É
Ou vlé x4
É
Ou vlé divisé nou pouw pé sa pran pié aw

A fos nou enmé nou
Dèmen jou ké méyè
A fos nou enmé nou
Dèmen jou ké ouvè

(English)

you say yours is the word of god
you say your work is his will
you want people to listen to you
so they can enter in his house
where he wants us to be

you want all to understand
how right you are
and that the ones who are wrong
have no need to live

we have to choose our side
and hope we choose the right
so that when we’re gone
god will make our souls happy

how will we make it
to God’s house
with our feet filthy
stained from the blood of the brothers we killed

they say the stranger
is the real threat
for they refuse to recognize
their own reflection

we know why they fight
and it is not for God
with ego in place of their eyes
they have no respect
for those unlike their own

they prefer to control
with sacred books
but a closer read
will find tones of contradiction

the god they want you to fear
is the power that lives within you

how will we make it
to God’s house
with our feet filthy
stained from the blood of the brothers we killed

do you know where you’re from?

if we keep loving one another
tomorrow will shine
if we keep loving one another
tomorrow, the day will rise

they want
they want you to hate your brother
you want
you want to divide us so you can do as you please

if we keep loving each other
we will have a tomorrow

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538 comments
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Joe Bacon  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:28:27pm

Chuck C is talking about selling shares in his alleged lawsuit? I did some Googling about that and came up with this article that was in the New York Times…

nytimes.com

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:32:29pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:45:31pm

I was perusing through my LGF updings because Trump is just like me, an average guy, and I care deeply about what people think about me. I noticed that Decatur Deb updinged one of my comments very recently. That means he’s okay!

Just wonderin’ Decatur Deb, what’s the damage like? Did Fuckface Von Clownstick mention *your* county?

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electrotek  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:48:25pm
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electrotek  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:51:06pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:51:38pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

I am getting some strong Norman Bates-ish vibes off that one.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:53:20pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

Chuck C is talking about selling shares in his alleged lawsuit? I did some Googling about that and came up with this article that was in the New York Times…

nytimes.com

Sounds like graft in the making.

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prairiefire  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:55:24pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Good, I’ve been wondering.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:56:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:57:44pm

re: #9 Kragar

That’s some pretty strong IOKYAR you got going there Mitch.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 23, 2017 • 9:59:25pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Mitch can dish it out but he can’t take it. I say screw Mitch and derail him the exact same way he blocked Obama for 8 years!

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teleskiguy  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:01:06pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:08:27pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

Chuck C is talking about selling shares in his alleged lawsuit? I did some Googling about that and came up with this article that was in the New York Times…

nytimes.com

Caterpillar lost (which I expected based in your NYT article) $74mm which the financier of the lawsuit got a shitton of.

I find it hard to argue with lawsuit financiers when you’re in a David vs. Goliath situation against a Fortune 500 or deep pocket defendant.

The verdict against Cat: mobile.reuters.com

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:11:31pm

re: #9 Kragar

I hope Dems give the GOP what they’ve dished out for eight years…not one inch.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:11:44pm
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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:15:06pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:23:13pm

I am so stoked for Thursday. This guy is coming to town and playing at one of my favorite small venues in the city. Check it.

LUKE WINSLOW KING - “Travelin’ Myself” (Live in New Orleans) #JAMINTHEVAN

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:24:40pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

Reminds me of a story published in the Boston Globe Magazine, when they printed fiction years ago.

A young girl watches her neighbor, a man, kiss the woman of his house and head off to his presumed job.

This goes on for years, until, one day, the police are called to the neighbor’s house.

Murder-suicide. The lady of the house turns out to be the man’s mother, whom he killed, and then himself.

The girl asks her mom, “I thought they were husband and wife?”

Mom: “So did she.”

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:25:19pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon

Chuck C is talking about selling shares in his alleged lawsuit? I did some Googling about that and came up with this article that was in the New York Times…

nytimes.com

Man, even people who fall for Nigerian email scams are gonna be like “how stupid do you think I am, Chuck?”

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:30:31pm

Amazon moved “1984” by George Orwell to the Contemporary Fiction section. It is currently the #1 best seller for Kindle devices in all categories.

amazon.com

“Animal Farm” is #1 best seller in Fiction Satire in paperback.

amazon.com

Amazon is giving away “A Handmaid’s Tale” for Kindle:

amazon.com

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Moebym  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:30:35pm

re: #9 Kragar

Need we remind you of your threat to make Obama a one-term President, your blocking the vote on his SCOTUS nominee, your party holding sixty-plus votes to repeal Obamacare, your party shutting down the government, etc., etc., etc., Senator McConnell?

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:31:42pm

re: #20 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Man, even people who fall for Nigerian email scams are gonna be like “how stupid do you think I am, Chuck?”

Yeah, but he should be able to bilk a few True Believers.

While I understand lawsuit financiers and their purpose, chucks has no chance of winning. It’s not like twitter couldn’t go out not court and show the shit they allow to remain on their platform. You have to be a spectacular asshole with zero redeeming factors to get a twitter ban.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:31:51pm

I love Bill Corbett

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:32:13pm

re: #20 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Man, even people who fall for Nigerian email scams are gonna be like “how stupid do you think I am, Chuck?”

I wouldn’t bet on it. If Charles C. Johnson is referred to as “the Stupidest Man on the Internet,” where do his followers fit?

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:35:13pm
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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:36:11pm

ICYMI, Logan looks like it could be amazing

Logan | Trailer 2 [HD] | 20th Century FOX

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:37:55pm

I followed a link to an article at the Chicago Tribune regarding Nebraska State Senator Bill Kintner (Repulsive). The opening line is a real winner…

A Nebraska state senator who had cybersex with a woman on a state computer is facing criticism again for a retweet suggesting that demonstrators at a women’s march weren’t attractive enough to be sexually assaulted.

OK. Or rather, WHAT THE FUCK?! In reading the article I realized that this part potentially describes the future decision-making process for every single Republican officeholder in this nation who is caught in a scandal. The important part:

The blunt-spoken lawmaker paid a $1,000 fine last year for misuse of state property after he admitted to engaging in mutual masturbation in July 2015 with a woman using Skype, an online video-chatting service. Kintner reported the transgression to the Nebraska State Patrol after the woman threatened to expose the encounter unless he paid her $4,500.

Immediately after reading that it occurred to me that this was the fucking asshole’s thought process when he was allegedly being extorted for $4,500 by his online pud-pounding partner:

- Pay $4,500 now, maybe more later, still get caught and have to ride it out to stay in office?
- Turn self in to State Police, pay $1,000 fine and ride it out to stay in office.

At no point will Republicans like him resign. There’s no reason to do so any more, that is how much Republicans have cheapened politics. Democratic politicians resign in shame or get voted out, Republican politicians get to keep their jobs. I had to laugh at the idea that the only reason he turned himself in was to save himself a few bucks. Regardless, these assholes have no shame and nothing is going to drive them from office except for death or constituents whose brains start to function.

I’m sure that conservatives in Nebraska are absolutely proud to have him representing them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:38:07pm

re: #27 Kragar

Local movie theater has a big cardboard thingy in their lobby for this. Someone removed the L and the N. first time I saw it I was all WTF is OGA?” Then I saw the preview during Rogue One. Lightbulb.

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scottslemmons  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:41:40pm

re: #27 Kragar

ICYMI, Logan looks like it could be amazing

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I’ve never been very big on the X-Men movies. But that one looks so very, very interesting…

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:44:08pm

re: #28 Odie Hugh Manatee

I followed a link to an article at the Chicago Tribune regarding Nebraska State Senator Bill Kintner (Repulsive). The opening line is a real winner…

OK. Or rather, WHAT THE FUCK?! In reading the article I realized that this part potentially describes the future decision-making process for every single Republican officeholder in this nation who is caught in a scandal. The important part:

Immediately after reading that it occurred to me that this was the fucking asshole’s thought process when he was allegedly being extorted for $4,500 by his online pud-pounding partner:

- Pay $4,500 now, maybe more later, still get caught and have to ride it out to stay in office?
- Turn self in to State Police, pay $1,000 fine and ride it out to stay in office.

At no point will Republicans like him resign. There’s no reason to do so any more, that is how much Republicans have cheapened politics. Democratic politicians resign in shame or get voted out, Republican politicians get to keep their jobs. I had to laugh at the idea that the only reason he turned himself in was to save himself a few bucks. Regardless, these assholes have no shame and nothing is going to drive them from office except for death or constituents whose brains start to function.

I’m sure that conservatives in Nebraska are absolutely proud to have him representing them.

When the sex scandal in Massachusetts came out, conservatives in Omaha (which he represents, along with Ernie Chambers) were appalled.

Let’s see if they’re appalled enough to vote him out. Omaha tends to lean liberal.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:47:48pm

LOL

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 10:56:07pm

South Dakota to call emergency session to overturn voter referendum for campaign finance reform and to create an ethics commission.

dailykos.com

South Dakota voters in 2016 passed Measure 22, a ballot initiative that implemented a package of ethics and campaign finance reforms. Almost immediately afterward, the Republicans who dominate South Dakota’s state government plotted to nullify the statute. On Monday, Republicans are set to begin passing House Bill 1069, which would effectively eviscerate the voter-approved ethics reform law. Especially galling is how lawmakers are using a mechanism reserved for declaring literal states of emergency so that the repeal measure would take effect immediately.

Measure 22 had placed strict limits on lobbying, created an ethics commission, and established a first-in-the-nation public campaign finance system that gives each voter a voucher to donate to their preferred candidates. These reforms passed by a 52-48 margin even as Donald Trump won a 62-32 landslide, indicating that they have bipartisan support from the voters. Nonetheless, Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard claims voters were “hoodwinked” into passing the initiative, and he pledged to sign a repeal bill.

This Republican effort to nullify a voter-approved reform law is nothing short of an attack on democracy itself. Sadly, this is part of a pattern of Republicans in state after state refusing to adhere to laws and norms that limit their power. There’s a lesson here for reformers: If you’re going to use ballot measures to circumvent hostile legislators, make sure your reform doesn’t merely add new statutes to the books—which can easily be overturned—but instead amends the state constitution if possible.

(Links provided to support story in the article at Daily Kos)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:08:55pm

re: #33 Anymouse

So much for all that states rights bullshit huh?

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:13:03pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

So much for all that states rights bullshit huh?

The state is acting (over the will of the voters).

Not sure why the voters overwhelmingly supported the referendum when they also overwhelmingly supported Republican legislators that would try to undo it.

The siren call of an R next to someone’s name is difficult for a conservative to resist.

Here in Nebraska where we have a non-partisan election (except for Federal offices), the Unicameral is considering repealing the non-partisan part. So far, the overwhelming majority of this Republican-dominated state is opposed to that.

(That non-partisan thing cuts both ways: It prevents someone from simply going down a ballot ticking off either the D or R candidates. It also makes it more difficult to identify the D or R candidates. I spent several hours researching all the candidates on my mail ballot to determine which ones belonged to the American Fascist Party. Turned out even in elections with two or more candidates, they were all GOP.)

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:14:00pm

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:15:23pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Translation: “We need Democrats to help us pass the bills that we’ll be blaming them for in 2 years.”

About that “move past” stuff Senator McConnell: You go first. White gets the first move in chess, correct?

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:16:38pm

re: #31 Anymouse

When the sex scandal in Massachusetts came out, conservatives in Omaha (which he represents, along with Ernie Chambers) were appalled.

Let’s see if they’re appalled enough to vote him out. Omaha tends to lean liberal.

I honestly doubt that they will but am willing to be surprised. :)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:16:39pm

re: #27 Kragar

ICYMI, Logan looks like it could be amazing

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:18:24pm
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Too obvious.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:18:37pm

re: #38 Odie Hugh Manatee

I honestly doubt that they will but am willing to be surprised. :)

Well, they did elect a Democratic representative.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:21:26pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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Khajiit has wares if you have coin.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:29:12pm

White House Switchboard Shuts Down Phone Comment Line, Tells Callers to Use Non-Existent Facebook Messenger Account Instead

variety.com

The White House has shut down its public comment line, instead telling callers, with an automated message, that they should contact the new administration via Facebook Messenger instead. There’s only one problem: Neither the White House nor President Donald Trump seem to currently maintain an active Facebook Messenger account.

The White House had long kept a public comment line, which in recent years had been staffed by volunteers of the Obama administration. In addition, it also offered a number to reach the White House switchboard, where paid staffers would pick up the phone and take messages for the administration.

On Monday, Twitter users were first to report that both had been disabled. Callers are instead asked to use a form on the White House website, or contact the administration via Facebook Messenger.

(more at Variety)

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:31:55pm

I guess the Republicans are done talking with us (see also all the cowardly retreats from town hall meetings)

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:38:18pm

re: #41 Anymouse

Well, they did elect a Democratic representative.

That’s the last line of defense for Nebraskans because his political peers make noise to sound good but will do nothing about him.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:42:07pm
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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:43:01pm

re: #45 Odie Hugh Manatee

That’s the last line of defense for Nebraskans because his political peers make noise to sound good but will do nothing about him.

I didn’t have a Democrat to vote for in my district. The party did not seem to think we need to run candidates in every House district. I had a choice of Adrian Smith or leave it blank.

I left it blank.

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Anymouse  Jan 23, 2017 • 11:50:44pm

Just gave Felix Randomkitty his insulin shot. We had to go to the vet to buy $300 worth of insulin today.

Felix is a high maintenance cat: $1,200 a year to keep him alive (not counting food, which is also outrageous because diabetic cat food requires a prescription, and only one company makes it, Nestle).

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 12:05:01am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 12:21:45am

Bloomberg on why Mr. Trump is having his staff lie so blatantly (more at the link):

bloomberg.com

By requiring subordinates to speak untruths, a leader can undercut their independent standing, including their standing with the public, with the media and with other members of the administration. That makes those individuals grow more dependent on the leader and less likely to mount independent rebellions against the structure of command. Promoting such chains of lies is a classic tactic when a leader distrusts his subordinates and expects to continue to distrust them in the future.

Another reason for promoting lying is what economists sometimes call loyalty filters. If you want to ascertain if someone is truly loyal to you, ask them to do something outrageous or stupid. If they balk, then you know right away they aren’t fully with you. That too is a sign of incipient mistrust within the ruling clique, and it is part of the same worldview that leads Trump to rely so heavily on family members.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 12:30:19am

Trump names his own inauguration day as “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.”

washingtonpost.com

Is he getting lessons from Kim Jong-Un?

Trump’s inaugural address on Friday frequently referred to patriotism as the salve that would heal the country’s divisions. “When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice,” Trump said from the steps of the Capitol after being sworn in as president.

Later that day, Trump’s press secretary, Sean Spicer, said that naming a national day of patriotism was among the executive actions that Trump took in his first few hours as president.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 24, 2017 • 12:41:51am

re: #51 Anymouse

Trump names his own inauguration day as “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.”

washingtonpost.com

Is he getting lessons from Kim Jong-Un?

Let me guess…

For most Americans it would be another day that they go to work because it’s just another day. For others there will be shopping to do, especially the Patriot Day Specials that stores will offer. What Hair Furor needs to do is come up with a way for states to compete for Federal dollars via sacrificing their needy in annual battles to the death for state funding. Better yet, make the contenders from Democratic states fight with one hand tied behind their back.

Call it The Patriot Games.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 12:42:19am

re: #51 Anymouse

Trump names his own inauguration day as “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.”

washingtonpost.com

Is he getting lessons from Kim Jong-Un?

“National Day of Patriotic Devotion.” DJT may be surprised to learn that the literal meaning of devotion is beheading.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:02:03am

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

Adult men who call their wives “mother” are creepy af.

I have seen it used in some rather “traditional” families: the appellation is used not so much in the Freudian sense as in “mother of our family”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:06:42am

re: #50 Anymouse

Bloomberg on why Mr. Trump is having his staff lie so blatantly (more at the link):

bloomberg.com

I wonder if DT is making them sign lifetime non-disclosure agreements…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:08:21am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen it used in some rather “traditional” families: the appellation is used not so much in the Freudian sense as in “mother of our family”.

Did not Bush Sr often refer to Barbara as “Mommy”?

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:12:50am

re: #53 unproven innocence

“National Day of Patriotic Devotion.” DJT may be surprised to learn that the literal meaning of devotion is beheading.

And I thought we already had a day of patriotic devotion: Last I heard, it was called Independence Day and celebrated on July 4.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:14:30am

re: #57 Anymouse

And I thought we already had a day of patriotic devotion: Last I heard, it was called Independence Day and celebrated on July 4.

It’s all about redefining terms in your own personal sense…

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:16:59am

re: #53 unproven innocence

“National Day of Patriotic Devotion.” DJT may be surprised to learn that the literal meaning of devotion is beheading.

I’m not finding a connexion to the two words, though devotion is connected to hallowed (such as “the ground hallowed by the blood of patriots”)

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:18:56am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:23:07am

re: #51 Anymouse

Trump names his own inauguration day as “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.”

washingtonpost.com

Is he getting lessons from Kim Jong-Un?

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Try a different totalitarian leader.
I posted the opening paragraph downstairs right as the thread died.

Copied from the text of the proclamation (link goes to PDF file), celebrating the day that he was sworn in:

A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires
the American heart. We are one people, united by a common
destiny and a shared purpose.

It literally is a “Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fueher” proclamation.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:37:11am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s all about redefining terms in your own personal sense…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:44:55am

When I was in Moscow in the early 90’s, the Komsomol’skaya Pravda (Communist Youth League Pravda) seemed to contain the best and most independent political reporting.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 1:51:46am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When I was in Moscow in the early 90’s, the Komsomol’skaya Pravda (Communist Youth League Pravda) seemed to contain the best and most independent political reporting.

Hmmm… . that’s interesting.

It came out from an unidentified worker at the Central Intelligence Agency that the reason the CIA staffers and agents did not sit during Mr. Trump’s speech was because he never invited them to.

Just as in the military, the CIA does not sit unless the President tells them they can. Mr. Trump got more respect than he ever earned and he didn’t even realise that.

On top of that, there is the issue of the applause in front of the CIA’s Wall of Heroes. Just as in the military at Arlington National Cemetery’s Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, CIA agents would treat the Wall of Heroes with the same reverence. It even stretches the idea of so-called “alternative facts” that CIA agents and staffers would be cheering in that space (circumstantial evidence that Mr. Trump brought his own cheering section).

The fact that none of Mr. Trump’s own staffers would know such a simple thing (and the majority of Americans might not know it, but they would treat that space with reverence) is quite telling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:03:40am

re: #64 Anymouse

The fact that none of Mr. Trump’s own staffers would know such a simple thing (and the majority of Americans might not know it, but they would treat that space with reverence) is quite telling.

Any space which DT occupies is considered his own to define and dominate.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:08:10am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Any space which DT occupies is considered his own to define and dominate.

I had a dog that did that, too. Had to clean up after him a lot.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:10:02am

re: #59 Anymouse

I’m not finding a connexion to the two words, though devotion is connected to hallowed (such as “the ground hallowed by the blood of patriots”)

Two examples:
Joshua 6:17 The city shall be devoted, even it and all that is in it, to Yahweh. Only Rahab the prostitute shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
(WEB JPS ASV YLT RSV NIV)
Joshua 10:28 And Makkedah hath Joshua captured on that day, and he smiteth it by the mouth of the sword, and its king he hath devoted, them and every person who ‘is’ in it — he hath not left a remnant; and he doth to the king of Makkedah as he did to the king of Jericho.
(YLT)
biblehub.com

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:12:36am

re: #67 unproven innocence

Two examples:
Joshua 6:17 The city shall be devoted, even it and all that is in it, to Yahweh. Only Rahab the prostitute shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
(WEB JPS ASV YLT RSV NIV)
Joshua 10:28 And Makkedah hath Joshua captured on that day, and he smiteth it by the mouth of the sword, and its king he hath devoted, them and every person who ‘is’ in it — he hath not left a remnant; and he doth to the king of Makkedah as he did to the king of Jericho.
(YLT)
biblehub.com

Oooh Joshua, one of the bloodiest books of the Bible. Thanks for answering my question about the connexion between devotion and beheading (or slaughter).

Meanwhile, this whole thread is WTF?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:13:27am

re: #66 Anymouse

I had a dog that did that, too. Had to clean up after him a lot.

We will spend the next 20 years cleaning up after this cocker spaniel.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:15:00am

re: #59 Anymouse

I’m not finding a connexion to the two words, though devotion is connected to hallowed (such as “the ground hallowed by the blood of patriots”)

Also, almost universally, a vote count is synonymous with head count.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:16:20am

re: #70 unproven innocence

Also, almost universally, a vote count is synonymous with head count.

And in some places a “head count” is synonymous with “counting the severed heads of the people who voted against us”…

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:17:42am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think I’ve said enough on the subject.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:17:53am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And in some places a “head count” is synonymous with “counting the severed heads of the people who voted against us”…

The only good thing about this administration (and this is digging) is that they may be so preoccupied with their allies all trying to stab each other in the back they don’t do it to the rest of us, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:22:03am

re: #73 Anymouse

The only good thing about this administration (and this is digging) is that they may be so preoccupied with their allies all trying to stab each other in the back they don’t do it to the rest of us, too.

any good that comes out of this administration will likely be unintentional…

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:24:11am

Another military person being nominated for a civilian military position. Not liking this much as a veteran.

whitehouse.gov

(Washington, DC) - President Donald J. Trump today announced he intends to nominate the President of the South Dakota School of Mines & Technology and former United States Congresswoman Heather Wilson to serve as Secretary of the Air Force. If confirmed, she will be the first Air Force Academy graduate to become Secretary of the Air Force.

More at the White House link.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:28:28am

re: #75 Anymouse

Gotta protect that pipeline project. Missle launchers may not be enough for effective crowd control.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:30:07am

re: #76 unproven innocence

Gotta protect that pipeline project. Missle launchers may not be enough for effective crowd control.

Missile launchers are for drone control, which is a form of controlling information.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:31:57am

No way Mr. Trump wrote this proclamation. I’m betting folk like Steve Bannon or Kellyanne Conway didn’t either.

This has Mr. Pence or his staff written all over it.

And this atheist ain’t prayin’ for peace. Instead of clasping my hands together, I will use them to work for peace. Moreover, that “devotion” thing has too much religious overtone for my taste.

I’m guessing President Obama’s inclusiveness of atheists and agnostics (yeah, they’re the same thing, that’s another argument for another time) is over. We’re the enemy again.

federalregister.gov

National Day of Patriotic Devotion
A Proclamation

A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires the American heart. We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose.

Freedom is the birthright of all Americans, and to preserve that freedom we must maintain faith in our sacred values and heritage.

Our Constitution is written on parchment, but it lives in the hearts of the American people. There is no freedom where the people do not believe in it; no law where the people do not follow it; and no peace where the people do not pray for it.

There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic Devotion, in order to strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country—and to renew the duties of Government to the people.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand seventeen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-first.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:34:03am

re: #78 Anymouse

We are one people, united by a common destiny and a shared purpose.

“And we reserve the right to define that destiny and purpose.”

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:38:16am

re: #78 Anymouse

[snip] Moreover, that “devotion” thing has too much religious overtone for my taste.[/snip]

Agreed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:41:17am

re: #78 Anymouse

And this atheist ain’t prayin’ for peace. Instead of clasping my hands together, I will use them to work for peace. Moreover, that “devotion” thing has too much religious overtone for my taste.

What do you call a religious dog whistle? Puppy chant?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:44:13am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:50:43am

The Gold Star Mothers organisation just sent me an invitation to attend a conference/dinner/ballgame in Omaha in May.

I’m not sure I wish to go; I went with my wife last year and accommodations for my wife were difficult at best (and the ballpark was a disaster for her - this would be at the same ballpark at Creighton University).

Never saw another Gold Star Family license plate on a car in Nebraska before I went to that event though … Creighton reserved the front lot next to the entrance for us last year and the whole place was full of them.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2017 • 2:59:29am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have seen it used in some rather “traditional” families: the appellation is used not so much in the Freudian sense as in “mother of our family”.

Yes, I know. It’s still gross and creepy because spouses that do it are defining each other to their faces firs & foremost according to their reproductive roles, instead of as individual persons.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:03:02am

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Yes, I know. It’s still gross and creepy because spouses that do it are defining each other to their faces firs & foremost according to their reproductive roles, instead of as individual persons.

It is rather old-fashioned in any case. Especially to use it outside the immediate family as a form of nickname. And in that sense, it does tell us a lot about Pence and his “family values”.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:05:05am

The Department of Defense throwing shade?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:05:20am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is rather old-fashioned in any case. Especially to use it outside the immediate family as a form of nickname. And in that sense, it does tell us a lot about Pence and his “family values”.

Dude masturbates to reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:09:12am

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Dude masturbates to reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show.

especially this one: one toke over the line

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:11:57am

Mr. Trump’s anti-net neutrality guy is now the FCC Commissioner. More at the Washington Post

washingtonpost.com

There are currently just three members on the panel. The Republicans’ new majority at the FCC, along with their control of Congress and the White House, is expected to help them roll back policies applauded by consumer advocates that upset many phone and cable industry groups, including net neutrality rules that bar internet service providers from favoring some websites and apps over others.

[Ajit] Pai, an active Twitter user, posted Monday that “there is so much we can do together to bring the benefits of the digital age to all Americans and to promote innovation and investment.”

Pai has long maintained that the FCC under former Chairman Thomas Wheeler had overstepped its bounds, suggesting that he would steer the agency in a direction more favorable to big phone and cable companies. In a December speech, he expressed confidence that the 2015 net neutrality rules would be undone and said the FCC needed to take a “weed whacker” to what he considered unnecessary regulations that hold back investment and innovation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:13:19am

re: #89 Anymouse

In a December speech, he expressed confidence that the 2015 net neutrality rules would be undone and said the FCC needed to take a “weed whacker” to what he considered unnecessary regulations that hold back investment and innovation monopolies and price-gouging.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:14:27am

More:

Consumer advocates have been concerned that a deregulation-minded FCC could potentially allow more huge mergers, overturn new protections for internet users and lead to higher costs for media and technology companies that rely on the internet to reach consumers.

Pai opposed online privacy regulations that force broadband providers to ask consumers for permission before using their data, saying they are more onerous than the requirements for internet companies like Google and Facebook.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:16:46am

BREXIT is dead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:19:05am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

Another lesson for people who voted for Brexit out of protest without understanding what it meant: now it is incumbent on Parliament to vote to leave the EU.

Theoretically, Parliament could vote to stay in. Not a likely scenario, but nothing about the Brexit plebiscite was binding.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:20:52am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Another lesson for people who voted for Brexit out of protest without understanding what it meant: now it is incumbent on Parliament to vote to leave the EU.

Theoretically, Parliament could vote to stay in. Not a likely scenario, but nothing about the Brexit plebiscite was binding.

I suspect the Conservatives will still vote to invoke Article Fifty of the Lisbon Treaty, but try to figure out a way to blame their opponents for the delay.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 24, 2017 • 3:56:23am

Florida Man has nothing on Texas Man when it comes to plain anti-social weirdness.

Texas man pleads guilty in foiled $500 murder-for-hire plot to have his daughter’s boyfriend killed

The now jailed parents:

What a cheap bastard, ignorant as a box of rocks too. Every fringe-dweller Texan should know you can’t get a job like this done right for less than a couple of grand. It’s also a bad idea to recruit amateur yokels for the work since they will instantly take this juicy info to the cops and try to trade it for a break on their latest meth charge.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:02:16am

Still not as crazy as the Florida guy who threw an alligator through a Wendy’s drive-through in Florida.

He was charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

foxnews.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:03:46am

re: #97 Anymouse

The President’s secret plan to Kill ISIS was to make ISIS think he had a secret plan. Mission Accomplished. Period.

DT later admitted that his “plan” was to sit down with generals and come up with a plan…

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:05:05am

Taxpayers will defend emoluments suit against Mr. Trump.

nytimes.com

On the other hand, discovery ought to be a hoot. It might be worth the tax money. More at the link.

The Justice Department will defend President Trump from a new lawsuit that accuses him of violating the Constitution by allowing his hotels and business operations to accept payments from foreign governments, officials said on Monday.

But while Mr. Trump said on Monday that the case was “without merit,” a Justice Department spokeswoman, Nicole Navas, declined to comment on it, saying only, “The department is reviewing the complaint and will respond as appropriate.”

The lawsuit, assigned on Monday to Judge Ronnie Abrams, an appointee of President Barack Obama, centers on the Constitution’s “emoluments” clause, which bars federal officeholders from accepting gifts or payments from foreign governments.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:09:33am

re: #15 MsJ

I hope Dems give the GOP what they’ve dished out for eight years…not one inch.

I wish that too but doubt it will happen. We’re angrier than Dem politicians tend to be.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:10:09am

re: #100 Patricia Kayden

I wish that too but doubt it will happen. We’re angrier than Dem politicians tend to be.

Any filibustering is likely to end in nuking the filibuster.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:10:49am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:15:29am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

Florida Man has nothing on Texas Man when it comes to plain anti-social weirdness.

Texas man pleads guilty in foiled $500 murder-for-hire plot to have his daughter’s boyfriend killed

The now jailed parents:

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What a cheap bastard, ignorant as a box of rocks too. Every fringe-dweller Texan should know you can’t get a job like this done right for less than a couple of grand. It’s also a bad idea to recruit amateur yokels for the work since they will instantly take this juicy info to the cops and try to trade it for a break on their latest meth charge.

People need to stop trying to farm out their murdery bullshit, it never works. I mean, I get the desire to commit all sorts of felonies up to and including killing certain people who definitely have it coming. What I don’t get is the amount of trust these assholes have in literally anybody else on the goddamned planet.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:18:18am

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Maybe next time they should try throwing an alligator at their intended victim?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:21:30am

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

People need to stop trying to farm out their murdery bullshit, it never works. I mean, I get the desire to commit all sorts of felonies up to and including killing certain people who definitely have it coming, what I don’t get is the amount of trust these assholes have in literally anybody else on the goddamned planet.

They should rely on the Dark Brotherhood instead.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:23:02am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

Florida Man has nothing on Texas Man when it comes to plain anti-social weirdness.

Texas man pleads guilty in foiled $500 murder-for-hire plot to have his daughter’s boyfriend killed

The now jailed parents:

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What a cheap bastard, ignorant as a box of rocks too. Every fringe-dweller Texan should know you can’t get a job like this done right for less than a couple of grand. It’s also a bad idea to recruit amateur yokels for the work since they will instantly take this juicy info to the cops and try to trade it for a break on their latest meth charge.

Don’t sneer at our under-funded fellow parents. It’s not like I don’t understand the impulse and motivation.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:26:52am

re: #57 Anymouse

And I thought we already had a day of patriotic devotion: Last I heard, it was called Independence Day and celebrated on July 4.

…and that happened after a hereditary-appointed immature king implemented a series of repressive acts meant to punish colonies that went against him.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:28:59am

re: #104 Anymouse

Maybe next time they should try throwing an alligator at their intended victim?

“Your Honor, if I could throw it, it ain’t that deadly.”

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:29:48am

Man and son accused of kidnapping pre-teen girl, chaining her in an Ohio basement for three years, and raping her. After three years, she managed to escape.

wonkette.com

They will base their defence on the Bible, and are representing themselves pro se. They argue the Bible is superior to secular law, and that their actions were justifiable by the Bible.

The son also faces additional rape charges over raping the girl’s younger sister as well.

Wonkette sources the Toledo Blade for its article.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:32:20am

Florida Man and Texas Man have more folk humor in them than Ohio man.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:32:27am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Missile launchers are for drone control, which is a form of controlling information.

Why stop at drone control? The United States has an appalling history against the First Nations that suggest much worse to come.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:32:55am

re: #109 Anymouse

Man and son accused of kidnapping pre-teen girl, chaining her in an Ohio basement for three years, and raping her. After three years, she managed to escape.

wonkette.com

They will base their defence on the Bible, and are representing themselves pro se. They argue the Bible is superior to secular law, and that their actions were justifiable by the Bible.

The son also faces additional rape charges over raping the girl’s younger sister as well.

Wonkette sources the Toledo Blade for its article.

Whatever happened to Religious Freedom in this country?!?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:33:31am

re: #111 Myron Falwell

Why stop at drone control? The United States has an appalling history against the First Nations that suggest much worse to come.

If you control the information, you control the message and can do whatever you wish…

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:33:49am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And of course, if they are representing themselves, they get to call the rape victim to the stand and question her themselves in court.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:35:46am

re: #109 Anymouse

Shades of Ariel Castro’s kidnapping and forced imprisonment of three Cleveland teenagers.

For a decade each.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:37:32am

re: #33 Anymouse

When will the good folks of that state stop voting Republican?

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:38:45am

re: #115 Myron Falwell

Shades of Ariel Castro’s kidnapping and forced imprisonment of three Cleveland teenagers.

Must be GOP in the water in Ohio.

I believe they call this either “compassionate conservatism” or “Christian family values.”

First comment at the article:

And OF COURSE they’re Trump fans. From Raw Story:

The 27-year-old Esten Ciboro’s Facebook page reveals an apparent admiration for Donald Trump, and a strong opposition to transgender people using restrooms that correspond with their gender identity, reported LGBTQ Nation.

“For those unaware: Target will be allowing men in the girls’ restrooms of its stores and will also allow women in the boys’ restrooms of its stores- all to support queerism and confusion,” Esten Ciboro wrote May 10, before his teenage stepsister was rescued from the basement dungeon in which he’s accused of imprisoning her.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:41:52am

Note that last clause above after May 10:

before his teenage stepsister was rescued from the basement dungeon in which he’s accused of imprisoning her.

Well, basement dungeons aren’t in the Old Testament, but incest is.

And no one will claim every Christian is equally guilty, as is done when a Muslim does something bad. It will be “he’s sick,” “a criminal,” &c.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:42:16am

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

When will the good folks of that state stop voting Republican?

When they realize Teddy Roosevelt was the Last Republican.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:44:01am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

When they realize Teddy Roosevelt was the Last Republican.

Eisenhower wasn’t too bad as president. I was born during his administration so I don’t remember anything about him, but what I’ve read seems he had his head screwed on straight.

I don’t recall any Republicans since then who were very good for the nation.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:46:42am

re: #120 Anymouse

Eisenhower wasn’t too bad as president. I was born during his administration so I don’t remember anything about him, but what I’ve read seems he had his head screwed on straight.

I don’t recall any Republicans since then who were very good for the nation.

Eisenhower, following the military code of his day, was “Party-Immaterial”. Both parties were reasonably likely to offer him their nominations.

I liked Ike, until I was 14.

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MsJ  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:47:45am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We will spend the next 20 years cleaning up after this cocker spaniel.

Please. More like a yappy chihuahua with brainworm.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:48:44am

re: #122 MsJ

Please. More like a yappy chihuahua with brainworm.

Or a popcorning guinea pig, but less cute and more messy.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 4:51:15am

I’m sure no conservative would ever suggest this, as has been done with Muslims (and in the past, atheists):

I think we should let Christians stay here, provided they forswear Biblical law, vow allegiance to the laws of this country, and agree to spy on their fellow Christians for us.

(Wonkette comments)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:02:34am

Automatic Blocking Function Triggered

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:03:33am

Restaurant owner boots African-Americans, says “Trump is president now so I can say what I want.”

rawstory.com

A Pennsylvania restaurant owner allegedly suggested Donald Trump’s election had given him the right to kick out black customers — and he reportedly used a racial slur to underline his point.

Rickey Lee Bugg Jr., a player on the Lebanon Valley College men’s basketball team, was eating early Sunday morning at Just Wing It in Annville when the owner approached him and some friends, reported Penn Live.

Bugg said he and some friends were the only customers in the restaurant at 1:30 a.m., and he said they were sitting quietly and watching television.

The owner told Bugg to leave, the student said.

“I own three restaurants and I don’t need you n*****s’ money,” the owner said, according to Bugg.

(more at Raw Story)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:07:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:09:09am

for anymouse

everybody wants to rule the world by tears for fears on the hammered dulcimer

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:14:45am

Trump’s election has enabled the worst elements in our society and now they feel POTUS himself blesses it. It reminds me of the pogroms.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:24:02am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Eisenhower, following the military code of his day, was “Party-Immaterial”. Both parties were reasonably likely to offer him their nominations.

I liked Ike, until I was 14.

I honestly think Ike ran as a Republican only to prevent the Dems from having over 20 years of party rule in the WH and to stop Robert A. Taft from being nominated and possibly elected.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:25:05am

A story from Threatpost (Kaspersky Labs News Service —Russia) yesterday:
Massive Twitter Botnet Dormant Since 2013 by Michael Mimoso January 23, 2017 , 8:52 am
Excerpts:

A sizable and dormant Twitter botnet has been uncovered by two researchers from the University College London, who expressed concern about the possible risks should the botmaster decide to waken the accounts under his control.

Research student Juan Echeverria Guzman and his supervisor and senior lecturer at the college Shi Zhou told Threatpost that the 350,000 bots in the Star Wars botnet could be used to spread spam or malicious links, and also, more in line with today’s social media climate, start phony trending topics, attempt to influence public opinion, or start campaigns that purport a false sense of agreement among Twitter users.
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“All the accounts were created in a short window of time, less than two months. They all behave in exactly the same way, quoting Star Wars novels including the same hashtags (and adding random hashtags to the quote),” Echeverria Guzman said. “All of their tweets are marked as coming from ‘Windows Phone,’ which means that they are likely to be controlled by the API instead of the Twitter site. For reference, that source accounts for less than 0.1% of tweets normally.”

The clincher, however, connecting the hundreds of thousands of bots to the same network comes in the geographic distribution of the host accounts. Tweets were tagged with geographic locations which, when mapped, fall within neat rectangles plotted over North America and Europe. The tweets are distributed within the rectangles, even in uninhabited areas. The researchers describe the plotting in the paper:

Bolding is mine. I am reluctant to include here a direct link to the graphic of these two rectangles, due to security concerns I do not feel qualified to evaluate, but please have a look. Scroll down a bit.

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:27:32am

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

On FB I saw a story that Mrs. Pence, when she was dating Pence, bought a gold cross and had YES engraved on it for when Pence proposed to her. Someone whined that the criticism of this action was unchristian. I noted that it was tawdry to use the symbol of God’s ultimte self-giving through Jesus for something like an engagement. Basically got called an unbeliever for that. *shrug* what else is new?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:31:05am

re: #134 mmmirele

On FB I saw a story that Mrs. Pence, when she was dating Pence, bought a gold cross and had YES engraved on it for when Pence proposed to her. Someone whined that the criticism of this action was unchristian. I noted that it was tawdry to use the symbol of God’s ultimte self-giving through Jesus for something like an engagement. Basically got called an unbeliever for that. *shrug* what else is new?

I honestly could care less how they got engaged but her husband and presumably her do care about the decisions of others.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:33:00am

Then again we have seen the right go from trashing Mrs. Obama for having bare arms to celebrating a lady who once posed nude. Honest I couldn’t give two fucks about Melania’s modeling but I’m sick of the hypocrisy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:39:27am

re: #134 mmmirele

On FB I saw a story that Mrs. Pence, when she was dating Pence, bought a gold cross and had YES engraved on it for when Pence proposed to her. Someone whined that the criticism of this action was unchristian. I noted that it was tawdry to use the symbol of God’s ultimte self-giving through Jesus for something like an engagement. Basically got called an unbeliever for that. *shrug* what else is new?

who gives a fuck?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:43:30am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I honestly think Ike ran as a Republican only to prevent the Dems from having over 20 years of party rule in the WH and to stop Robert A. Taft from being nominated and possibly elected.

There is a weirder story, possibly true, that his nomination had a lot to do with deadly serious conflict between the Coca-Cola and Pepsi corporations. As I remember it, it seems like folklore.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:44:02am

WTF!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:44:55am

The thing about conservative Christians like the Pences is they’re all about judging you whether you’re the wrong ideology, practice or don’t practice a certain religion, but the second you point out their hypocrisy, it’s persecution.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:46:16am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

There is a weirder story, possibly true, that his nomination had a lot to do with deadly serious conflict between the Coca-Cola and Pepsi corporations. As I remember it, it seems like folklore.

Never heard that one. I like Ike but that Nixon guy would have made things tough plus my family especially dad’s mom liked Adlai a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:46:51am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

WTF!

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Do they try to be Orwellian?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:47:54am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Never heard that one. I like Ike but that Nixon guy would have made things tough plus my family especially dad’s mom liked Adlai a lot.

I got sucked in by the Checkers speech.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:51:49am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did not Bush Sr often refer to Barbara as “Mommy”?

I thought that was Reagan?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:52:22am

re: #144 makeitstop

I thought that was Reagan?

It was.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:52:54am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

I got sucked in by the Checkers speech.

Lots of people did. I don’t think you were still suckered in 20 years later though when he was fighting for his life in Watergate though.

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unproven innocence  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:53:54am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

WTF!

Should this mean that all Americans now have standing to sue K Conway and the administration for our emancipation? /half

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:54:36am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Never heard that one. I like Ike but that Nixon guy would have made things tough plus my family especially dad’s mom liked Adlai a lot.

There are traces on the ‘Tubes:

Woodruff also was a man of national influence. With one exception, he knew and sometimes advised and assisted every President from Herbert Hoover through fellow Georgian Jimmy Carter.

The exception was Richard M. Nixon, who had close ties with Donald M. Kendall, head of Woodruff’s arch-rival, Pepsi-Cola.

Of all the Presidents he knew, Woodruff was closest to Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave him White House pass No. 1. The two men became friends during World War II, and Woodruff, although a staunch Democrat, was an enthusiastic backer of Eisenhower for the presidency.

Woodruff’s obit:
articles.latimes.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:55:28am

I know some couples who call each other “Mommy” and “Daddy” in front of their young children because they don’t want their kids to think it’s OK to call them by their first name.

I always told my kids, “I call Daddy by his first name and he calls me by my first name but you have to call us ‘Mommy’ and ‘Daddy’”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:56:34am

re: #148 Decatur Deb

There are traces on the ‘Tubes:

Woodruff also was a man of national influence. With one exception, he knew and sometimes advised and assisted every President from Herbert Hoover through fellow Georgian Jimmy Carter.

The exception was Richard M. Nixon, who had close ties with Donald M. Kendall, head of Woodruff’s arch-rival, Pepsi-Cola.

Of all the Presidents he knew, Woodruff was closest to Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave him White House pass No. 1. The two men became friends during World War II, and Woodruff, although a staunch Democrat, was an enthusiastic backer of Eisenhower for the presidency.

Woodruff’s obit:
articles.latimes.com

Another reason to be a Coke guy heh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:57:22am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 5:57:31am

re: #147 unproven innocence

Should this mean that all Americans now have standing to sue K Conway and the administration for our emancipation? /half

Our old dad was better. He hung out with Lebron.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:06:31am
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jeffreyw  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:10:11am

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Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:10:29am

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:12:11am

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Lots of localized flooding, and some scattered power outages, but otherwise we got through this without too much trouble.

Trump, meanwhile, can’t seem to go a day without lying his ass off or pulling some kind of nonsense.

Today? Hey, how about we keep FBI Director James Comey on? Good? Heh.

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b.d.  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:13:53am

The alternative music channel on Sirius XM, Alt Nation, is now referring to itself on air as Alternative Facts Nation…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:14:36am

re: #158 b.d.

The alternative music channel on Sirius XM, Alt Nation, is now referring to itself on air as Alternative Facts Nation…

If Spicer is smart, he has fun with this.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:17:16am

re: #160 darthstar

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b.d.  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:18:58am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

If Spicer is smart, he has fun with this.

He’s not, he’ll be fired before the Ides of March…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:19:50am

re: #157 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Lots of localized flooding, and some scattered power outages, but otherwise we got through this without too much trouble.

Trump, meanwhile, can’t seem to go a day without lying his ass off or pulling some kind of nonsense.

Today? Hey, how about we keep FBI Director James Comey on? Good? Heh.

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No shit. Comey handed him the election on a gold plate.

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b.d.  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:22:14am

re: #161 darthstar

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That is perfect…

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:22:53am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:24:15am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

for anymouse

everybody wants to rule the world by tears for fears on the hammered dulcimer

Kewl. I can play “Classical Gas” by Mason Williams… .

My mother’s session in Chicago when I sit in with them think of me as a heretic for playing popular music on hammered dulcimer.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:24:49am

Alt-quote going around:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:26:13am

re: #166 darthstar

if trump gets us into a trade war, the states hardest hit would largely be states he won

does not matter, it will be someone else’s fault…

he is officially isolated from all responsibility for at lest the next four years

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:28:30am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

does not matter, it will be someone else’s fault…

he is officially isolated from all responsibility for at lest the next four years

Same as all the previous years of his life.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:30:23am

As reported by Daily Kos, the New York Times actually used the word lie when reporting on Trump: “Trump Repeats an Election Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers.”

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:31:30am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

does not matter, it will be someone else’s fault…

he is officially isolated from all responsibility for at lest the next four years

Well, it turns out in that emoluments suit brought against him, one of the emoluments noted is the Radical Islamic Supporters Abu Dhabi Tourism and Culture Authority, renting an entire floor of Trump Tower four floors below his penthouse.

snopes.com

I can’t wait for the discovery phase of that lawsuit… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:31:58am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

Same as all the previous years of his life.

I am fully expecting him to win the next election…he is going to pull off some economic smoke-and-mirrors stuff to make things look good for the next couple of years and make himself very popular with a lot of people.

And as long as he can successfully present his alternative view of things, I don’t think the cracks will start to show enough in time to cost him re-election.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:35:35am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am fully expecting him to win the next election…he is going to pull off some economic smoke-and-mirrors stuff to make things look good for the next couple of years and make himself very popular with a lot of people.

And as long as he can successfully present his alternative view of things, I don’t think the cracks will start to show enough in time to cost him re-election.

I dunno. He’s entering office historically unpopular. It’s all going to be about how the Dems GOTV in 2020 and having the right candidate to beat him.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:35:37am

This is so fucking funny it’s almost page-worthy.

The Netherlands welcomes Trump in his own words

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:38:16am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am fully expecting him to win the next election…he is going to pull off some economic smoke-and-mirrors stuff to make things look good for the next couple of years and make himself very popular with a lot of people.

And as long as he can successfully present his alternative view of things, I don’t think the cracks will start to show enough in time to cost him re-election.

I’m fully expecting him to crash and burn long before the next election. Vice-President Pence is really the guy the GOP wants, but the problem is that it would be hard for him to deny the massive pile of doo piling up against Mr. Trump.

Note that when Republicans decided it was time for President Nixon to go, Vice-President Agnew went first.

Even if Mike Pence can somehow avoid the swirl of sewage rising around Mr. Trump, it would cripple his administration, and anyway though he is a Dominionist wingnut, he is within the normal range of wingnuts.

Democrats should not be initiating any sort of impeachment hearings in the House (which they would lose anyway, being in the minority). It would look as though Democrats are sore losers.

Let the Republicans do it. Democrats can support the effort, but not initiate it. Let the GOP choose between alienating their voter base or having a kleptocracy hung around their necks in the 2018 election.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:39:15am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I dunno. He’s entering office historically unpopular. It’s all going to be about how the Dems GOTV in 2020 2018 and having the right candidate to beat him.

Fixed.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:39:17am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

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sounds lovely

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:41:49am

re: #175 darthstar

This is so fucking funny it’s almost page-worthy.

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Spectacular…It’s true.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:41:50am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am fully expecting him to win the next election…he is going to pull off some economic smoke-and-mirrors stuff to make things look good for the next couple of years and make himself very popular with a lot of people.

And as long as he can successfully present his alternative view of things, I don’t think the cracks will start to show enough in time to cost him re-election.

People are going to be PISSED when the GOP guts Medicare and Social Security.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:41:57am

re: #175 darthstar

This is so fucking funny it’s almost page-worthy.

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Heh can’t wait to go there this summer. The people seem great.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:42:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:42:23am

re: #177 Anymouse

Fixed.

Absolutely.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:42:40am

re: #178 Sir John Barron

sounds lovely

American traditional culture. What is that? Discriminating against every group that is out of power?

Adding to my “bug out fund”: I won the lottery again yesterday: $8 and five quick-pick tickets. I am up to $13 now after subtracting cost of tickets.

I should be able to flee to Canada or Mexico in about the twenty-third century (or join Starfleet).

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:44:06am

re: #176 Anymouse

I’m fully expecting him to crash and burn long before the next election. Vice-President Pence is really the guy the GOP wants, but the problem is that it would be hard for him to deny the massive pile of doo piling up against Mr. Trump.

Note that when Republicans decided it was time for President Nixon to go, Vice-President Agnew went first.

Even if Mike Pence can somehow avoid the swirl of sewage rising around Mr. Trump, it would cripple his administration, and anyway though he is a Dominionist wingnut, he is within the normal range of wingnuts.

Democrats should not be initiating any sort of impeachment hearings in the House (which they would lose anyway, being in the minority). It would look as though Democrats are sore losers.

Let the Republicans do it. Democrats can support the effort, but not initiate it. Let the GOP choose between alienating their voter base or having a kleptocracy hung around their necks in the 2018 election.

Don’t support impeachment at all. Pence is worse, and 25 million voted for the Alt-real Thing. They need it long and hard.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:46:49am

An interesting article over at Alternet:

How Google’s Search Results Helped Miseducate and Radicalize a Racist Mass-Murderer

The article is about the Charleston AME Church shooter.

The answer lies, at least in part, in the way that fragile minds can be shaped by the algorithm that powers Google Search.

It lies in the way Google’s algorithm can promote false propaganda written by extremists at the expense of accurate information from reputable sources.

Roof’s radicalization began, as he later wrote in an online manifesto, when he typed the words “black on White crime” into Google and found what he described as “pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders.”

The first web pages he found were produced by the Council of Conservative Citizens, a crudely racist group that once called black people a “retrograde species of humanity.” Roof wrote that he has “never been the same since that day.” As he delved deeper, because of the way Google’s search algorithm worked, he was immersed in hate materials.

More at AlterNet

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:48:02am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Heh can’t wait to go there this summer. The people seem great.

Yeah it’s a great place. Can’t wait to visit again. This time I will walk SLOWLY through the weed district, maybe even stop for a toke in a brown cafe. (Last time I got a contact high from walking down the street but was too intimidated to actually go inside a brown cafe)

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:48:16am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Don’t support impeachment at all. Pence is worse, and 25 million voted for the Alt-real Thing. They need it long and hard.

Pence is not a fascist.

I’m all for either impeachment initiated by the GOP, or hanging the fascist around their party’s neck in the next election in 2018. (This year in NJ and VA).

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:48:33am

re: #186 darthstar

of course it’s not about the $$$$ for these folks. PBS is a source of non-conservative-political correctness which must be stomped out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:50:04am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah it’s a great place. Can’t wait to visit again. This time I will walk SLOWLY through the weed district, maybe even stop for a toke in a brown cafe. (Last time I got a contact high from walking down the street but was too intimidated to actually go inside a brown cafe)

I’ve never been. We’re going there, Germany, and Belgium. The Anne Frank House, Resistance Museum, Van Gogh Museum, and Red Light District are high on my list of places I’m excited to see.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:50:08am

re: #184 Anymouse

American traditional culture. What is that? Discriminating against every group that is out of power?

Adding to my “bug out fund”: I won the lottery again yesterday: $8 and five quick-pick tickets. I am up to $13 now after subtracting cost of tickets.

I should be able to flee to Canada or Mexico in about the twenty-third century (or join Starfleet).

And “NT” for “not”? Maybe there’s some secret code I’m missing.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:50:35am

re: #187 Anymouse

As interesting as it is to blame the algorithm, this kid was looking for a reason to shoot blacks.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:50:55am

re: #189 Anymouse

Pence is not a fascist.

I’m all for either impeachment initiated by the GOP, or hanging the fascist around their party’s neck in the next election in 2018. (This year in NJ and VA).

I’m not going to quibble over the difference between an inquisitor and a phalangist. The lesson of 2016 has to be learned, and that’s going to be painful and dangerous for all of us.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:51:08am

re: #160 darthstar

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:51:39am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

of course it’s not about the $$$$ for these folks. PBS is a source of non-conservative-political correctness which must be stomped out.

They’ve always been such blatant asses about it all. They don’t want to touch the defense budget and in fact Trump actually wants another Reagan era buildup. Don’t tell me you’re fiscally conservative when you don’t even want to touch the DOD budget.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:51:59am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

of course it’s not about the $$$$ for these folks. PBS is a source of non-conservative-political correctness which must be stomped out.

There’s only room for one big yellow puppet on these airwaves.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:52:01am

re: #192 Sir John Barron

And “NT” for “not”? Maybe there’s some secret code I’m missing.

I was tired when I saw that and saw it as New Testament.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:52:45am

I have to get moving soon, but one thing that needs more attention is Trump saying we’re now going to ‘take the oil’ from countries we liberate. That’s a war crime and a shift in US policy. Sean Spicer didn’t walk it back yesterday. That makes it US Policy.

This puts every boot on the ground right now at risk.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:52:47am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah it’s a great place. Can’t wait to visit again. This time I will walk SLOWLY through the weed district, maybe even stop for a toke in a brown cafe. (Last time I got a contact high from walking down the street but was too intimidated to actually go inside a brown cafe)

I won’t say what my wife and I bought in Idaho Springs, Colorado returning from our trip to Sacramento. I will say they check your out-of-state drivers license before they let you in the store - good thing we were in a hotel next door.

Didn’t bring it back home though. My state gets its panties in a bunch over things like that.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:53:46am

The federal hiring freeze DT announced doesn’t make much sense. If the “real” unemployment rate is actually much higher than that reported by the feds, and people have given up looking for work, what sense does it make to close off a potential source of the jobs people apparently need? Not all federal jobs are in the DC area, after-all.

I know, I know…don’t try to make sense out of any of this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:54:25am

re: #199 darthstar

I have to get moving soon, but one thing that needs more attention is Trump saying we’re now going to ‘take the oil’ from countries we liberate. That’s a war crime and a shift in US policy. Sean Spicer didn’t walk it back yesterday. That makes it US Policy.

This puts every boot on the ground right now at risk.

It’s also a way to ensure the people of those nations will hate us for future generations. It’s also what regimes like the Nazis and Soviets did to those they invaded.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:55:07am

re: #201 Sir John Barron

The federal hiring freeze DT announced doesn’t make much sense. If the “real” unemployment rate is actually much higher than that reported by the feds, and people have given up looking for work, what sense does it make to close off a potential source of the jobs people apparently need? Not all federal jobs are in the DC area, after-all.

I know, I know…don’t try to make sense out of any of this.

Exactly.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:55:41am

re: #200 Anymouse

I won’t say what my wife and I bought in Idaho Springs, Colorado returning from our trip to Sacramento. I will say they check your out-of-state drivers license before they let you in the store - good thing we were in a hotel next door.

Didn’t bring it back home though. My state gets its panties in a bunch over things like that.

The vape pens and extracts they now have are fantastic.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:56:04am

And let me tell you guys as someone who applied to a lot of federal jobs over the past five years, the feds weren’t exactly doing a lot of hiring to begin with. The freeze makes it even worse. The freeze is just stupid especially with large amounts of people retiring. Contractors can only do so much.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:56:32am

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:56:37am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

of course the hiring freeze only applies to “non-military” jobs, so that’s a pretty big loophole.

But it’s still stupid, especially if the **real** unemployment rate is supposedly much higher.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:57:17am

re: #193 Belafon

As interesting as it is to blame the algorithm, this kid was looking for a reason to shoot blacks.

Pretty much. Or at least he’d been warped by the endless harping on the right about “black on black crime” and “black on white crime.”

The Brainwashing of My Dad is pretty clear about that, and propaganda can be deadly effective. That doesn’t absolve him of his actions but it does explain them (stochastic terrorism). See also Dr. Tiller and Bill O’Reilly: Did Tiller’s killer pull the trigger or did Bill O’Reilly push him?

If O’Reilly chose instead to give nightly rants about the ACA, would Dr. Tiller be alive still?

The CCC is nothing more than the “uptown Klan”: They are the “respectable face” of racism and hatred.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:57:24am

re: #208 Sir John Barron

of course the hiring freeze only applies to “non-military” jobs, so that’s a pretty big loophole.

The DOD budget always gets protected when this stuff happens. Without fail.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:58:15am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

And let me tell you guys as someone who applied to a lot of federal jobs over the past five years, the feds weren’t exactly doing a lot of hiring to begin with. The freeze makes it even worse. The freeze is just stupid especially with large amounts of people retiring. Contractors can only do so much.

An article (somewhere) last night indicated that fed direct-hires fell slightly under Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:58:28am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

And let me tell you guys as someone who applied to a lot of federal jobs over the past five years, the feds weren’t exactly doing a lot of hiring to begin with. The freeze makes it even worse. The freeze is just stupid especially with large amounts of people retiring. Contractors can only do so much.

Right. That’s been the case for the past several years. But in DT’s twilight zone world, the feds have been hiring like gangbusters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:58:34am

re: #209 Anymouse

Pretty much. Or at least he’d been warped by the endless harping on the right about “black on black crime” and “black on white crime.”

The Brainwashing of My Dad is pretty clear about that, and propaganda can be deadly effective. That doesn’t absolve him of his actions but it does explain them (stochastic terrorism). See also Dr. Tiller and Bill O’Reilly: Did Tiller’s killer pull the trigger or did Bill O’Reilly push him?

If O’Reilly chose instead to give nightly rants about the ACA, would Dr. Tiller be alive still?

The CCC is nothing more than the “uptown Klan”: They are the “respectable face” of racism and hatred.

Seems to me the event that set the wheels into motion was Zimmerman killing Martin. I need to see The Brainwashing of My Dad. I’m proud of my own Dad who has actually become more vocal in his lefty beliefs since the rise of Trump.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:58:36am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

It’s also a way to ensure the people of those nations will hate us for future generations. It’s also what regimes like the Nazis and Soviets did to those they invaded.

We’re moving so fast in the opposite direction of where we were as a country last Thursday it’s making my head spin.

“When I’m president I’m going to do a bunch of stupid shit!”
(Don’t worry…he won’t do the stupid shit)
He just did the stupid shit.

I wonder how far Pence will let him go before putting the brakes on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:59:17am

re: #212 Sir John Barron

Right. That’s been the case for the past several years. But in DT’s twilight zone world, the feds have been hiring like gangbusters.

Not just Trump but the right wing base as a whole. I’ve applied to gosh maybe 50-100 federal jobs since graduation and I’ve had maybe one or two interviews.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:59:23am

re: #211 Decatur Deb

An article (somewhere) last night indicated that fed direct-hires fell slightly under Obama.

FAKE news! Obama lies!

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 6:59:31am

re: #201 Sir John Barron

The federal hiring freeze DT announced doesn’t make much sense. If the “real” unemployment rate is actually much higher than that reported by the feds, and people have given up looking for work, what sense does it make to close off a potential source of the jobs people apparently need? Not all federal jobs are in the DC area, after-all.

I know, I know…don’t try to make sense out of any of this.

How can Trump make good on his promise to fix the VA if they’re subject to that hiring freeze too. Part of the problem is that there are vacancies in positions critical to improving the VA’s customer-facing operations. If those positions go unfilled, that means longer lines, wait times, etc., because there aren’t enough people to do the job.

Same thing with the IRS. The GOP has been slowly starving the IRS for years, and complaining about customer service for even longer. Gutting the IRS enforcement and audit branches might reduce the chances you get an audit, but it also means that less revenue is collected as more people get away with improper credits, deductions, etc. That takes people to review returns and to answer phones to address tax questions.

Even Trump’s nominee Mnuchin addressed this in his confirmation hearing that the IRS was undermanned - he was surprised at how undermanned it was, and that this was reducing the amount of revenue collected and expected by lawmakers.

So yeah, it doesn’t make much sense, but we’re talking GOP math here. It never makes any sense.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:00:38am

re: #218 lawhawk

How can Trump make good on his promise to fix the VA if they’re subject to that hiring freeze too. Part of the problem is that there are vacancies in positions critical to improving the VA’s customer-facing operations. If those positions go unfilled, that means longer lines, wait times, etc., because there aren’t enough people to do the job.

Same thing with the IRS. The GOP has been slowly starving the IRS for years, and complaining about customer service for even longer. Gutting the IRS enforcement and audit branches might reduce the chances you get an audit, but it also means that less revenue is collected as more people get away with improper credits, deductions, etc. That takes people to review returns and to answer phones to address tax questions.

Even Trump’s nominee Mnuchin addressed this in his confirmation hearing that the IRS was undermanned - he was surprised at how undermanned it was, and that this was reducing the amount of revenue collected and expected by lawmakers.

So yeah, it doesn’t make much sense, but we’re talking GOP math here. It never makes any sense.

Exactly. I see it honestly as a pure PR move for their base who is convinced that there’s millions of federal employees in Washington who do nothing but sit and scratch their asses all day.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:00:47am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

And let me tell you guys as someone who applied to a lot of federal jobs over the past five years, the feds weren’t exactly doing a lot of hiring to begin with. The freeze makes it even worse. The freeze is just stupid especially with large amounts of people retiring. Contractors can only do so much.

About a third of Federal workers are military veterans. A hiring freeze coupled with firing Federal workers is more conservative compassion to all us veterans they love to use as patriotic props.

re: #199 darthstar

I have to get moving soon, but one thing that needs more attention is Trump saying we’re now going to ‘take the oil’ from countries we liberate. That’s a war crime and a shift in US policy. Sean Spicer didn’t walk it back yesterday. That makes it US Policy.

This puts every boot on the ground right now at risk.

I hate that phrase “boots on the ground.” They are people. I was not a pair of “boots on the deck.” I was a person who put my beating heart on the line at sea as an enlisted representative of the US Government.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:02:15am

re: #214 darthstar

We’re moving so fast in the opposite direction of where we were as a country last Thursday it’s making my head spin.

“When I’m president I’m going to do a bunch of stupid shit!”
(Don’t worry…he won’t do the stupid shit)
He just did the stupid shit.

I wonder how far Pence will let him go before putting the brakes on.

I imagine Vice-President Pence is snuggling with a copy of the XXV Amendment under his pillow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:03:55am

re: #220 Anymouse

About a third of Federal workers are military veterans. A hiring freeze coupled with firing Federal workers is more conservative compassion to all us veterans they love to use as patriotic props.

I hate that phrase “boots on the ground.” They are people. I was not a pair of “boots on the deck.” I was a person who put my beating heart on the line at sea as an enlisted representative of the US Government.

Yep a lot of my former co-workers the winter i worked at DOI were vets. We were a mine safety administration but lots of vets go into the Feds because the Feds have veteran hiring preferences and for the same reason a lot of other people do, it’s stable and they provide good benefits.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:06:40am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Yep a lot of my former co-workers the winter i worked at DOI were vets. We were a mine safety administration but lots of vets go into the Feds because the Feds have veteran hiring preferences and for the same reason a lot of other people do, it’s stable and they provide good benefits.

Also one of the few places a combat MOS vet can put his years of training and experience to work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:08:12am

The problem is honestly wingnuts just don’t see federal employees as “real Americans.” Yes, I’m biased because both my grandfather and mom were federal lifers but that’s my point. These are people, People with families, people with dreams for their children, and people who want a lot of the same out of this life as you. Not faceless and heartless bureaucrats and TBH I feel the same annoyance when everyone on Wall Street is made out to be a heartless money grubber too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:08:58am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Also one of the few places a combat MOS vet can put his years of training and experience to work.

Yep, I think my grandfather’s protege was straight out of the military when he got the job.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:10:30am
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MsJ  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:10:42am

re: #175 darthstar

This is so fucking funny it’s almost page-worthy.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:10:45am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

And when the GOP frames their policies as a tax cut for the middle class, ask them how much that tax cut will be worth to someone who has a kid who needs a hearing aid that is no longer covered by insurance. My guess is that the hearing aid costs far more than the tax break they’ll see.

Diabetes? Same deal.
Cancer? Fuhgeddaboutit!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:11:00am

re: #218 lawhawk

How can Trump make good on his promise to fix the VA if they’re subject to that hiring freeze too. Part of the problem is that there are vacancies in positions critical to improving the VA’s customer-facing operations. If those positions go unfilled, that means longer lines, wait times, etc., because there aren’t enough people to do the job.

Same thing with the IRS. The GOP has been slowly starving the IRS for years, and complaining about customer service for even longer. Gutting the IRS enforcement and audit branches might reduce the chances you get an audit, but it also means that less revenue is collected as more people get away with improper credits, deductions, etc. That takes people to review returns and to answer phones to address tax questions.

Even Trump’s nominee Mnuchin addressed this in his confirmation hearing that the IRS was undermanned - he was surprised at how undermanned it was, and that this was reducing the amount of revenue collected and expected by lawmakers.

So yeah, it doesn’t make much sense, but we’re talking GOP math here. It never makes any sense.

They will hire more private contractors.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:12:14am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

The problem is honestly wingnuts just don’t see federal employees as “real Americans.” Yes, I’m biased because both my grandfather and mom were federal lifers but that’s my point. These are people, People with families, people with dreams for their children, and people who want a lot of the same out of this life as you. Not faceless and heartless bureaucrats and TBH I feel the same annoyance when everyone on Wall Street is made out to be a heartless money grubber too.

I agree; everyone on Wall Street (stand in for “banking and investment industry”) is not a heartless money grubber, despite Wells Fargo and Conrad Black and numerous others.

Millions of people are employed by the financial services industry; just as the Roman Catholic Church the overwhelming majority are not criminals.

Meanwhile, the Southern Poverty Law Center also weighs in on Google radicalising Dylann Roof:

splcenter.org

How did Dylann Roof go from being someone who was not raised in a racist home to someone so steeped in white supremacist propaganda that he murdered nine African Americans during a Bible study?

The answer lies, at least in part, in the way that fragile minds can be shaped by the algorithm that powers Google Search.

(More at SPLC.)

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:12:50am

re: #220 Anymouse

About a third of Federal workers are military veterans. A hiring freeze coupled with firing Federal workers is more conservative compassion to all us veterans they love to use as patriotic props.

I hate that phrase “boots on the ground.” They are people. I was not a pair of “boots on the deck.” I was a person who put my beating heart on the line at sea as an enlisted representative of the US Government.

And yet boots on the ground identifies this as a prop. To the GOP, persons in uniform (cops, firefighters, or servicemembers) are props to be used as a backdrop, and ignored just as quickly when they are in need (such as after 9/11 or after returning home from service overseas and needing specialized care for PTSD or other ailments).

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MsJ  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:13:57am

re: #189 Anymouse

Pence is not a fascist.

I’m all for either impeachment initiated by the GOP, or hanging the fascist around their party’s neck in the next election in 2018. (This year in NJ and VA).

No, Pence is a theocrat who wants to force religion down the throat of all Americans.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:14:15am

re: #231 lawhawk

And yet boots on the ground identifies this as a prop. To the GOP, persons in uniform (cops, firefighters, or servicemembers) are props to be used as a backdrop, and ignored just as quickly when they are in need (such as after 9/11 or after returning home from service overseas and needing specialized care for PTSD or other ailments).

“Come home with your shield, or on it.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:15:29am

re: #226 Myron Falwell

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:16:05am

re: #228 lawhawk

And when the GOP frames their policies as a tax cut for the middle class, ask them how much that tax cut will be worth to someone who has a kid who needs a hearing aid that is no longer covered by insurance. My guess is that the hearing aid costs far more than the tax break they’ll see.

Diabetes? Same deal.
Cancer? Fuhgeddaboutit!

Got a Health Savings Account? It will be wiped out the very first time you have a medical emergency.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:16:53am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:16:58am

re: #232 MsJ

No, Pence is a theocrat who wants to force religion down the throat of all Americans.

And that makes him different from any other Republican?

Pence may very well go down with Trump over all this double-dealing and foreign influence, but if not, he at least can be more easily contained. Pence is predictable. That makes it easier to plan strategy against anything he might try to do that is against the Constitution.

Trump could get us in a war with Iran or China over a bloody tweet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:18:45am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:19:20am

Will he still be telling us about his inaugural crowd by then?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:20:54am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Got a Health Savings Account? It will be wiped out the very first time you have a medical emergency.

It’ll be wiped out the first time you need to actually use it. Most people don’t have savings to handle emergencies of any kind, and medical care is something they’ll overlook until they’re in an emergency situation.

Your kid needs an epipen? $600 bucks right there. That HSA is toast just from that.

Your kid needs glasses/contacts? Toast.
You need statin meds for high blood pressure? Elliquis for DVT or blood disorder? Toast.

On and on it goes.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:21:19am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

In part, that means that the far left is the far right. But, and I know this isn’t a comforting but, only one party has those people in power.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:21:24am

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

Strictly, the President is only required to make a report to Congress on the state of the Union, not a speech (President Washington only sent written reports, for example).

So the speech could be framed a “joint session of Congress” and not a “State of the Union” address, provided Mr. Trump provides that Constitutionally-mandated report.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:22:56am

re: #237 Anymouse

And that makes him different from any other Republican?

Pence may very well go down with Trump over all this double-dealing and foreign influence, but if not, he at least can be more easily contained. Pence is predictable. That makes it easier to plan strategy against anything he might try to do that is against the Constitution.

Trump could get us in a war with Iran or China over a bloody tweet.

Unless the crimes committed by Trump are so egregious, Pence will pardon him, and that will go over about as well as it did with Ford pardoning Nixon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:23:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:25:24am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

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Blah enough of the condescending lectures. I wouldn’t go out of my way to punch Spencer in the face but I’m not exactly shedding tears either considering he wants far worse for those he deems inferior to him.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:25:42am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Got a Health Savings Account? It will be wiped out the very first time you have a medical emergency.

The ACA doesn’t even cover my cat’s diabetes; what am I to do if the GOP guts CHAMPUS and my wife is left out in the cold, too? /s

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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:26:12am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

At the end of the article:

Gawken is a satirical publication.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:27:15am

re: #243 Myron Falwell

Unless the crimes committed by Trump are so egregious, Pence will pardon him, and that will go over about as well as it did with Ford pardoning Nixon.

That led to Jimmy Carter being elected. I can live with that.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:31:54am

Apparently Conway was involved in an Inaugural Ball fracas, which wasn’t exactly reported.

Details seem to be that there was an altercation between two male attendees, and she got involved to try and break it up and threw several punches at one of the guys.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:33:11am

re: #247 Franklin

At the end of the article:

Gawken is a satirical publication.

Ah!

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scottslemmons  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:36:33am

re: #249 lawhawk

Apparently Conway was involved in an Inaugural Ball fracas, which wasn’t exactly reported.

Details seem to be that there was an altercation between two male attendees, and she got involved to try and break it up and threw several punches at one of the guys.

Probably an alternative fact.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:37:01am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:37:36am

SPLC has a video recording from the Seattle event where Milo Yiannopolis was speaking. SPLC notes their video reporter, who was physically attacked, recorded the events leading up to (but not including) the shooting.

As SPLC has it, the fracas was exactly opposite what Mr. Yiannopolis described: A Trump supporter shot an anti-fascist supporter, not the other way round.

SPLC’s video is now up on their site.

splcenter.org

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:37:42am

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:38:09am

re: #249 lawhawk

Apparently Conway was involved in an Inaugural Ball fracas, which wasn’t exactly reported.

Details seem to be that there was an altercation between two male attendees, and she got involved to try and break it up and threw several punches at one of the guys.

It wasn’t a punch… it was an “alternative disagreement.”

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:38:26am

re: #220 Anymouse

I hear you. Not a big fan of it either. Won’t use it going forward.
Cheers.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:38:42am

re: #255 Myron Falwell

It wasn’t a punch… it was an “alternative disagreement.”

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It was an alternative caress.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:42:24am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

David Brooks: When You Punch A Nazi In The Face, You Punch Me In The Face

Your proposal is acceptable.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:42:33am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The lawyer is a believer in “states rights” and has set up a “federalism unit” to fight “overreach by the federal government”.

I read that a a “feudalism unit,” which I think is probably more accurate.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:43:08am

splcenter.org (SPLC Hatewatch map)

Those “liberal coastal elites” (/s) seem to have more problems with hate groups than my own state. I just have that pesky Christian Identity church near me.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:44:48am
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Blowing up the debt? No problem. IOKIYAR. Ignore CBO/JCT reports about blowing up debt if you repeal Obamacare.

Ignore the fallout at the state level when you repeal Obamacare and what it would do to state budgets, let alone the budgets of anyone who has an insurance policy (because of the rollback of what is required to be covered) - a burden shifting strategy that will induce more medical bankruptcies than we’ve seen in years.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:45:09am

As it turns out, North Dakota and Wyoming seem to have the fewest hate groups. New Jersey, New York, and California have so many the symbols on the map cover each other up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:46:13am

re: #262 Anymouse

As it turns out, North Dakota and Wyoming seem to have the fewest hate groups. New Jersey, New York, and California have so many the symbols on the map cover each other up.

Well. They are smaller population wise. Not that those states don’t have their own problems but something to be said about densely populated states.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:47:09am

re: #261 lawhawk

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Ignore the fallout at the state level when you repeal Obamacare and what it would do to state budgets, let alone the budgets of anyone who has an insurance policy (because of the rollback of what is required to be covered) - a burden shifting strategy that will induce more medical bankruptcies than we’ve seen in years.

Is this the same CBO they basically bound and gagged from saying anything bad about their crazy schemes?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:47:34am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Well. They are smaller population wise. Not that those states don’t have their own problems but something to be said about densely populated states.

Their winter cross-burnings are just passed off as a desperate attempt to stay warm.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:48:06am

Looks like some assholes were busy accusing and threatening Jim Wright (Stonekettle) of being the guy who cold cocked the Nazi Spencer.

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The guy may have deleted his tweet (I reported/blocked him) but he’s still agitating. A mouth breathing Nazi in the wild. We are seeing a resurgence of these fuckers thanks to Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:48:37am

re: #253 Anymouse

SPLC has a video recording from the Seattle event where Milo Yiannopolis was speaking. SPLC notes their video reporter, who was physically attacked, recorded the events leading up to (but not including) the shooting.

As SPLC has it, the fracas was exactly opposite what Mr. Yiannopolis described: A Trump supporter shot an anti-fascist supporter, not the other way round.

SPLC’s video is now up on their site.

splcenter.org

Can’t we just send Milo back to England along with Nigel Farange? Maybe we’ll get some good beer out of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:49:10am

re: #265 Decatur Deb

Their winter cross-burnings are just passed off as a desperate attempt to stay warm.

Alternative-warming.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:49:11am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

If Spicer is smart, he has fun with this.

I see what you did there.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:50:09am

re: #266 lawhawk

Looks like some assholes were busy accusing and threatening Jim Wright (Stonekettle) of being the guy who cold cocked the Nazi Spencer.

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The guy may have deleted his tweet (I reported/blocked him) but he’s still agitating. A mouth breathing Nazi in the wild. We are seeing a resurgence of these fuckers thanks to Trump.

Trump emboldened them like no President has. In fact in the Bush years, the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists hated W.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:51:59am

I’m thinking ratings will see an uptick

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:52:15am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:53:27am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I dunno. He’s entering office historically unpopular. It’s all going to be about how the Dems GOTV in 2020 and having the right candidate to beat him.

Those are things I currently have little faith in…

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:53:39am

re: #262 Anymouse

If you go by per capita, those states are disproportionately active.

2 groups in Wyoming for about ~600,000 residents - 1 per 300k.

2 groups in North Dakota for about 739,000 - 1 per 369k

44 groups in NY for 19.75 million - 1 per 448k

21 groups in NJ for ~9 million - 1 per 428k

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:54:09am

re: #262 Anymouse

As it turns out, North Dakota and Wyoming seem to have the fewest hate groups. New Jersey, New York, and California have so many the symbols on the map cover each other up.

I suspect that the hate group count is inversely correlated with the minority population, or more directly, how much white men in this states worry about the size of their dicks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:54:15am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are things I currently have little faith in…

I don’t blame you at all. Just trying to stay optimistic.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:54:32am

re: #274 lawhawk

If you go by per capita, those states are disproportionately active.

2 groups in Wyoming for about ~600,000 residents - 1 per 300k.

2 groups in North Dakota for about 739,000 - 1 per 369k

44 groups in NY for 19.75 million - 1 per 448k

21 groups in NJ for ~9 million - 1 per 428k

That’s a good point.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:54:41am
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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:54:56am

re: #274 lawhawk

If you go by per capita, those states are disproportionately active.

2 groups in Wyoming for about ~600,000 residents - 1 per 300k.

2 groups in North Dakota for about 739,000 - 1 per 369k

44 groups in NY for 19.75 million - 1 per 448k

21 groups in NJ for ~9 million - 1 per 428k

True. One can only belong to so many groups. No need for more than 2 with a pop that low.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:55:15am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

People are going to be PISSED when the GOP guts Medicare and Social Security.

Yes, they will be pissed at the Democrats.

We have entered the Age of Alternative Media Reality and the dawn of the Great American Idiocracy. I have little faith left in the mechanisms that we still have intact to correct major mistakes like the one we made in 2016,

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:55:25am

re: #249 lawhawk

Apparently Conway was involved in an Inaugural Ball fracas, which wasn’t exactly reported.

Details seem to be that there was an altercation between two male attendees, and she got involved to try and break it up and threw several punches at one of the guys.

Seems she’s also a big fan of the British royals. No wonder she like like Von ClownStick; she must view him as America’s “king.” 🤢

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:55:29am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:56:38am

re: #281 CuriousLurker

Seems she’s also a big fan of the British royals. No wonder she like like Von ClownStick; she must view him as America’s “king.” 🤢

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:56:46am

These people, man…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:56:49am

re: #186 darthstar

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:57:00am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, they will be pissed at the Democrats.

We have entered the Age of Alternative Media Reality and the dawn of the Great American Idiocracy. I have little faith left in the mechanisms that we still have intact to correct major mistakes like the one we made in 2016,

Yeah, it’ll manage to be Obama’s fault somehow.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:57:14am

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:57:21am

Blue Lives Matter

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:58:14am

re: #284 makeitstop

These people, man…

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What a fucking dumbkoff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 7:58:33am

re: #288 FormerDirtDart

Blue Lives Matter

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Oh Jesus Christ.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:00:02am

re: #274 lawhawk

If you go by per capita, those states are disproportionately active.

2 groups in Wyoming for about ~600,000 residents - 1 per 300k.

2 groups in North Dakota for about 739,000 - 1 per 369k

44 groups in NY for 19.75 million - 1 per 448k

21 groups in NJ for ~9 million - 1 per 428k

No one said there would be a math test. Apparently this is that liberal bias in facts I keep hearing about. /s

I’ll trade you my Christian Identity church that thinks I should be dead for another sort of group … wait, all those groups want this liberal atheist Polish descendent dead. Oh well.

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:01:14am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

I didn’t know my mother’s legal first name (Mary) until I was 10. I knew the name everyone called her by (Pauline). As for my father, he had initials for his name - J. B. In any case, only in very avant garde families did children call parents by their first names. I’m middle-aged and Mom is still Mom.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:02:02am

re: #192 Sir John Barron

I would guess that NT stands for New Testament.

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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:02:42am

re: #284 makeitstop

Ooops. Life comes at you fast.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:03:00am

re: #292 mmmirele

I didn’t know my mother’s legal first name (Mary) until I was 10. I knew the name everyone called her by (Pauline). As for my father, he had initials for his name - J. B. In any case, only in very avant garde families did children call parents by their first names. I’m middle-aged and Mom is still Mom.

I’m fifty-six. If I called my mother by her first name, I’d still likely get cold-cocked.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:03:21am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

I have to confess, I’ve never seen why so many Americans are so fascinated by the British royals. I’d find them more exciting if they were absolute monarchs.

I’ve never understood it either. Go figure. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:03:26am

re: #292 mmmirele

I didn’t know my mother’s legal first name (Mary) until I was 10. I knew the name everyone called her by (Pauline). As for my father, he had initials for his name - J. B. In any case, only in very avant garde families did children call parents by their first names. I’m middle-aged and Mom is still Mom.

My cousin was telling me a story about our grandfather and how he would hear our grandmother call him by his first name and my cousin called my grandfather by his first name. He got a good laugh of it. I know some people who call their parents by their first names when they’re older. That just seems weird to me. I had friends who referred to my parents by their first names too and that too seemed odd when I was a kid. It’s different now that we’re older though.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:04:10am

re: #296 CuriousLurker

I’ve never understood it either. Go figure. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah it’s weird. Being the quirky bastard I am, maybe I should start celebrating the former Bulgarian royal family and see if anyone notices.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:04:21am
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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:04:55am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

My cousin was telling me a story about our grandfather and how he would hear our grandmother call him by his first name and my cousin called my grandfather by his first name. He got a good laugh of it. I know some people who call their parents by their first names when they’re older. That just seems weird to me. I had friends who referred to my parents by their first names too and that too seemed odd when I was a kid. It’s different now that we’re older though.

My mother’s first name is “Mother.” I don’t even use the more familiar “Mom.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:05:19am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

David Brooks: When You Punch A Nazi In The Face, You Punch Me In The Face

(Even though this was a parody news site)

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, we are distracted from what they are doing and what we need to do to counter it…

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, they can paint liberals as intolerant and prone to violence

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, nazis can get all self-pityingly sniffly and tell us that they only get beat up because their ideas are unbeatable.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:06:21am

re: #300 Anymouse

My mother’s first name is “Mother.” I don’t even use the more familiar “Mom.”

Mother seems too formal and old school to me. I like a balance between the two.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:06:45am

re: #259 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I read that a a “feudalism unit,” which I think is probably more accurate.

to counter overreach by the king. leave power in the hands of the barons and lords!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:07:32am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, we are distracted from what they are doing and what we need to do to counter it…

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, they can paint liberals as intolerant and prone to violence

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, nazis can get all self-pityingly sniffly and tell us that they only get beat up because their ideas are unbeatable.

They’re going to paint us as prone to violence regardless of what we do or paint us sisses who cant’ defend ourselves no matter what the situation. First instinct shouldn’t be to punch but it should never be ruled out either.

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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:07:39am

Looks like the John Lewis “March” graphic novel series is back in stock at Amazon. Just got my shipment notification!

amazon.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:07:43am

So, some Trumpsucking nazi twat got all up in Shia LeBeouf’s face and they yelled in each other’s faces until the Trumpsucker ran away, and wingnuts are complaining that Shia LeBeouf is “unhinged” (he stood his ground)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:08:33am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame you at all. Just trying to stay optimistic.

My optimism is currently at an all-time low.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:09:05am
WATCH: Pres. Trump should share evidence, or stop saying it, Sen. Graham says of Pres. Trump’s claim about millions voting illegally.
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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:09:37am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

They will hire more private contractors.

This is true. And, as a Fed who works with contractors, they are never around in the proper context or length of time to learn to do what they are actually needed for.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:09:38am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, nazis can get all self-pityingly sniffly and tell us that they only get beat up because their ideas are unbeatable.

Not only can their ideas be beat but their idea-havers were executed for crimes against humanity.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:10:58am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

So, some Trumpsucking nazi twat got all up in Shia LeBeouf’s face and they yelled in each other’s faces until the Trumpsucker ran away, and wingnuts are complaining that Shia LeBeouf is “unhinged” (he stood his ground)

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:11:12am

re: #295 Anymouse

I’m fifty-six. If I called my mother by her first name, I’d still likely get cold-cocked.

My mom is legally blind and significantly hard of hearing. Even if i said something in front of her she didn’t like, she likely wouldn’t hear it and she couldn’t swing at me with any accuracy if she did.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:11:21am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

So, some Trumpsucking nazi twat got all up in Shia LeBeouf’s face and they yelled in each other’s faces until the Trumpsucker ran away, and wingnuts are complaining that Shia LeBeouf is “unhinged” (he stood his ground)

Can’t explain it, but I can’t shake the feeling that it might have been staged.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:11:34am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

So, some Trumpsucking nazi twat got all up in Shia LeBeouf’s face and they yelled in each other’s faces until the Trumpsucker ran away, and wingnuts are complaining that Shia LeBeouf is “unhinged” (he stood his ground)

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Dammit. Shia had to go and make me like him just a little bit. Is that what the world has come to?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:11:40am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My optimism is currently at an all-time low.

I actually felt pretty empowered by the rallies on Saturday. Signed up for a campaign.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:12:24am

Do you know what is really out of control?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:12:39am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I actually felt pretty empowered by the rallies on Saturday. Signed up for a campaign.

I am not looking for any light at the end of the tunnel, the train has just entered the tunnel and is still picking up speed…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:13:22am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

Do you know what is really out of control?

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Such bullshit.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:13:48am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Mother seems too formal and old school to me. I like a balance between the two.

My wife complains that my handwriting is too neat and looks like it is from the 1890’s.

Other people around here just use “you write like a girl.” (Considering what “girls” accomplished this weekend in rallies around the world, I’ll take that as a compliment.)

I’ve always called my mother “Mother.” It never occurred to me to call her something else (such as “Uncle”).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:14:49am

I think Trump wants us to live in 1880’s Pittsburgh.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:15:02am

Regarding Conway punching some guy, the deplorables clearly think it was perfectly fine, even laudable, for her to do so. But an anti-fascist punching a Nazi? *GASP* OMG—the horror! Violent leftists, free speech, blah, blah, blah…!!1!

Anyway, back to work… Later, lizards

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:15:22am

re: #312 mmmirele

My mom is legally blind and significantly hard of hearing. Even if i said something in front of her she didn’t like, she likely wouldn’t hear it and she couldn’t swing at me with any accuracy if she did.

I am sorry to read that your mother is having such difficulties.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:15:29am

re: #321 CuriousLurker

Regarding Conway punching some guy, the deplorables clearly think it was perfectly fine, even laudable, for her to do so. But an anti-fascist punching a Nazi? *GASP* OMG—the horror! Violent leftists, free speech, blah, blah, blah…!!1!

Anyway, back to work… Later, lizards

Of course.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:16:27am

re: #319 Anymouse

My wife complains that my handwriting is too neat and looks like it is from the 1890’s.

Other people around here just use “you write like a girl.” (Considering what “girls” accomplished this weekend in rallies around the world, I’ll take that as a compliment.)

I’ve always called my mother “Mother.” It never occurred to me to call her something else (such as “Uncle”).

Yeah I hear you. It’s just mother has never crossed my mind. Mom just seemed the right balance. Mother too formal, by her first name too informal, and mommy? I haven’t been 5 years old in a long time.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:16:47am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

(Even though this was a parody news site)

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, we are distracted from what they are doing and what we need to do to counter it…

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, they can paint liberals as intolerant and prone to violence

as long as we are debating nazis and face-punching, nazis can get all self-pityingly sniffly and tell us that they only get beat up because their ideas are unbeatable.

No debate required here. Nazis should be driven back into the sewers they came from.

If that means a few of them need to be punched, so be it.

And I can find no good reason - none - to be tolerant of Nazis.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:17:38am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Yeah I hear you. It’s just mother has never crossed my mind. Mom just seemed the right balance. Mother too formal, by her first name too informal, and mommy? I haven’t been 5 years old in a long time.

If I called her “Sharon” she would likely not know that someone was talking to her. (She goes by her middle name.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:18:54am

The time for a “reasonable debate” with the ideas that fueled Nazism came to an fiery end in 1938.

It’s all punching ever since.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:18:58am

re: #22 Moebym

Need we remind you of your threat to make Obama a one-term President, your blocking the vote on his SCOTUS nominee, your party holding sixty-plus votes to repeal Obamacare, your party shutting down the government, etc., etc., etc., Senator McConnell?

Mitch is desperate for democratic votes for a “bipartisan” Obamacare replacement bill so that the blame can be shared when millions of people lose their healthcare coverage. The Democrats cannot give him that cover; if the GOP breaks healthcare, they have to own it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:18:59am

re: #325 makeitstop

No debate required here. Nazis should be driven back into the sewers they came from.

If that means a few of them need to be punched, so be it.

And I can find no good reason - none - to be tolerant of Nazis.

Treating them as just an alternative opinion bothers me especially since they you know want things like genocide.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:19:44am

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

The time for a “reasonable debate” with the ideas that fueled Nazism came to an fiery end in 1938.

It’s all punching ever since.

I’d go a step further VB and say 1923 when the Beer Putsch happened but Kristallmacht is as good start as any place.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:20:08am

My granddaughter called my daughter by her first name and my daughter said “Uh uh, you don’t call Mommy by the first name”

My granddaughter then said “HEY BABE”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:20:18am

re: #328 Big Beautiful Door

Mitch is desperate for democratic votes for a “bipartisan” Obamacare replacement bill so that the blame can be shared when millions of people lose their healthcare coverage. The Democrats cannot give him that cover; if the GOP breaks healthcare, they have to own it.

I’m pretty confident in most Senate Dems sans Manchin who never misses an opportunity to be a rat fuck.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:20:56am

re: #325 makeitstop

No debate required here. Nazis should be driven back into the sewers they came from.

If that means a few of them need to be punched, so be it.

And I can find no good reason - none - to be tolerant of Nazis.

I’m not going to go out of my way to find a Nazi to punch, but if someone comes up to me spewing such stuff I would find it very hard to keep my cool. I do not have to be tolerant of those who wish to commit genocide and call it “free speech” to promote that.

Fortunately, I haven’t run into anything like that here. There is the wingnut rancher up north in Gordon with the Nazi flags flying from his gate, but that is all I know of around here. (The rancher in question is upset that suddenly his ranch is starting to fail because no one in the state wants to do business with him. Waaaaa.)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:21:05am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:21:23am

re: #281 CuriousLurker

Her husband has …. quite a lot of forehead.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:21:50am

re: #331 The Vicious Babushka

My granddaughter called my daughter by her first name and my daughter said “Uh uh, you don’t call Mommy by the first name”

My granddaughter then said “HEY BABE”

LOL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:21:52am

re: #325 makeitstop

No debate required here. Nazis should be driven back into the sewers they came from.

If that means a few of them need to be punched, so be it.

And I can find no good reason - none - to be tolerant of Nazis.

The debate on this rather irrelevant topic is again spinning us away from what we need to be talking about and doing…

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:24:43am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The debate on this rather irrelevant topic is again spinning us away from what we need to be talking about and doing…

We can debate punching Nazis and candidates for the next election while trying to educate people about the GOP gutting the social safety net and figuring out how to make sure the sticky for all that stays with the GOP.

Liberals can multi-task.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:25:35am

re: #326 Anymouse

If I called her “Sharon” she would likely not know that someone was talking to her. (She goes by her middle name.)

Dad’s brother has a nickname. He met someone who worked at the same company as my Uncle one time and Dad referred to his brother by the nickname. Turns out he uses his given name professionally but nickname anong close friends and family.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:26:53am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Dad’s brother has a nickname. He met someone who worked at the same company as my Uncle one time and Dad referred to his brother by the nickname. Turns out he uses his given name professionally but nickname anong close friends and family.

Professionally I use “James.” Amongst close friends I use “James.” It’s confusing for some. /s

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:27:02am

re: #279 Franklin

Remember as well, that the SPLC lists many different kinds of hate groups. In my state of Massachusetts, Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam has chapters in Boston and Springfield. Massachusetts’ most famous hate person would be Brian Camenker of Mass Resistance, the anti-LGBT group.

(At least the Klan is not here now. They had a chapter in nearby Swampscott in 1940. A friend of mine was a young girl when she accidentally came across a no-shit cross-burning in the woods of that town! As she told it to me years later, she was terrified.)

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:27:26am
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Trump specifically said that he’d make automakers build cars in the US.

That’s not how any of this works. Automakers can’t just build cars in the US. There’s a supply chain that stretches around the world, and parts are sourced all over the place. Factories can’t just pop up and open at a moments notice either. It takes years of planning to do any kind of new production line. Heck, there’s a development cycle for all cars that stretches years into the future, because it is an extremely cost intensive process.

Over time, automakers could build more cars in the US, but that too depends on the US purchaser. If a manufacturer doesn’t see demand for a car (say a small economy car), they wont build a factory here to satisfy the demand. Rather, they’ll build it overseas where there’s greater demand, and ship the car to the US since that’s cheaper.

Automakers build cars here because it might be cheaper to do it in the world’s biggest auto market - economy of scale and proximity to market.

But Trump, the failed business executive who’s failed outside of real estate and who himself decided that his clothing line was manufactured outside the US, knows how to “bring back jobs to the US”.

Bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:29:30am

re: #342 lawhawk

But Trump, the failed business executive who’s failed outside of real estate and who himself decided that his clothing line was manufactured outside the US, knows how to “bring back jobs to the US”.

His line of Bullshit has become US government policy and is being accepted and disseminated almost without question by major media networks.

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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:29:45am

re: #341 Sherlock Hound

I signed up as a recurring donor to SPLC in November. Got my first piece of mail from them a few weeks later. My wife was wondering why I was getting mail from the SPLC and all I had to say “Trump” and she understood.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:30:29am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Teleskiguy and I have been talking about this on Twitter.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:30:37am

re: #342 lawhawk

“Hey Mr. Trump, how about a Smart auto plant in my village? I’m sure Mercedes-Benz would be down with that.”

Shoot, a business license in my village is ten dollars. It’s almost as if low fees and taxes are not what attract business to an area.

They really don’t get this “economy” stuff, do they?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:32:45am

re: #345 Sherlock Hound

Teleskiguy and I have been talking about this on Twitter.

I’m terrified. What’s worse is that the clinical depression I have had throughout my life came back hard over the holidays. How I function, I have no idea. :’(

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:34:59am

re: #342 lawhawk

I’m guessing the auto executives after that meeting with Mr. Trump were all shaking their heads thinking “does this guy know how to run a business?”

Perhaps large businesses after the incoming Dumpster fire of an administration might seriously consider pressing harder for a Democratic administration in the future.

I’m off to bed. The sun is up and the sweet dulcet sounds of hunters’ gunfire on the river are making me sleepy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:36:26am

re: #348 Anymouse

I’m guessing the auto executives after that meeting with Mr. Trump were all shaking their heads thinking “does this guy know how to run a business?”

Perhaps large businesses after the incoming Dumpster fire of an administration might seriously consider pressing harder for a Democratic administration in the future.

I’m off to bed. The sun is up and the sweet dulcet sounds of hunters’ gunfire on the river are making me sleepy.

Well, since we are stuck with the Citizens’ United, decision, we can only hope to turn it to our advantage…

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:37:12am

re: #322 Anymouse

I am sorry to read that your mother is having such difficulties.

We’d (brother and I) be happier if she would use her hearing aid. I personally have a hard time shouting at my mom. I did make a paper megaphone so I could communicate without shouting.

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scottslemmons  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:37:36am

So I found this thing the Women’s March folks are doing — 10 Actions in 100 Days — and I really like the idea in theory. But I’m concerned their first action (send postcards to your senators listing your concerns) crashes and burn in practice, at least for me.

First of all, I have way, way too many concerns to fit on a postcard. Second, my senators are wingnut sociopaths, and I suspect they’d round-file anything I sent to them. At any rate, sending them mail saying “I want you to vote against every single thing you’ve ever claimed to support, and also you’re supporting this fascist yam, so please go back to Russia” is probably not a good way to maintain a useful dialog. :/

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:37:52am
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Trump signs EOs pushing the DAPL and Keystone pipelines.

Native Americans get fucked by Trump once again.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:37:57am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My optimism is currently at an all-time low.

Then I advise you to do something. Call your senators. Join a working group on voting rights. Sign up to be a precinct leader. I swear it works.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:38:42am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:39:19am

re: #352 lawhawk

they paid attention to Twitter and realized that having only white males in the background is not a flattering image…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:40:12am

re: #353 EmmaAnne

Then I advise you to do something. Call your senators. Join a working group on voting rights. Sign up to be a precinct leader. I swear it works.

We expressed our dissatisfaction at the polling places…that is the only place that counts in the end.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:40:13am

re: #351 scottslemmons

So I found this thing the Women’s March folks are doing — 10 Actions in 100 Days — and I really like the idea in theory. But I’m concerned their first action (send postcards to your senators listing your concerns) crashes and burn in practice, at least for me.

First of all, I have way, way too many concerns to fit on a postcard. Second, my senators are wingnut sociopaths, and I suspect they’d round-file anything I sent to them. At any rate, sending them mail saying “I want you to vote against every single thing you’ve ever claimed to support, and also you’re supporting this fascist yam, so please go back to Russia” is probably not a good way to maintain a useful dialog. :/

We’re Democrats, and thus cats who can’t be herded. Modify it to how you like it. Send a postcard asking them to do one thing they might in a million years be embarassed about not doing later.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:40:17am

re: #345 Sherlock Hound

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:40:57am

re: #352 lawhawk

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Native Americans get fucked by Trump once again.

I saw that Steve King said something really stupid to the effect of “We don’t know it’s sacred burial ground so let’s drill and find out.” Agh, I hate that guy, he may be the worst person in the GOP caucus in Congress and that’s really saying something.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:41:35am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The debate on this rather irrelevant topic is again spinning us away from what we need to be talking about and doing…

I can do both.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:42:09am

Has Rage Furby’s friends at the White House addressed his latest perma ban on twitter yet?

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EmmaAnne  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:42:58am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We expressed our dissatisfaction at the polling places…that is the only place that counts in the end.

Huh? Tell it to the tea party who showed up at town halls and pestered their representatives into opposing Obama at every turn. Tell it to the wingnuts who started taking over local government and school boards and worked their way up. Voting is only a tiny part of what a citizen can do.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:42:59am

re: #351 scottslemmons

My two Senators and my Representative already have my mail on “shred before reading” and my telephone number blocked. They were not elected to represent the state or district, they were elected to represent Republicans.

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:43:00am

re: #345 Sherlock Hound

Teleskiguy and I have been talking about this on Twitter.

I’m terrified. What’s worse is that the clinical depression I have had throughout my life came back hard over the holidays. How I function, I have no idea. :’(

I’m back to every other month at the psychiatrist after the election. In reality, I’ve seen him three times in the last four months because the election really threw me for a loop.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:43:17am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:44:34am

re: #360 Anymouse

something to make me smile:

WikiLeaks calls for leak of Donald Trump’s secret tax returns after US President fails to release them

only way we are going to see them is if they are leaked or subpoenaed

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:10am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I saw that Steve King said something really stupid to the effect of “We don’t know it’s sacred burial ground so let’s drill and find out.” Agh, I hate that guy, he may be the worst person in the GOP caucus in Congress and that’s really saying something.

Steve “cantaloupe calves” and “we need American Nuremberg Laws” King. One of my least favourite congressmen.

G’night, y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:14am

re: #367 Interesting Times

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This isn’t going to be good. I hope they try to Bork the shit out of the pick. After how Garland was treated, I’m ready to raise hell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:34am

re: #363 EmmaAnne

Huh? Tell it to the tea party who showed up at town halls and pestered their representatives into opposing Obama at every turn. Tell it to the wingnuts who started taking over local government and school boards and worked their way up. Voting is only a tiny part of what a citizen can do.

DT is in power, has the Congress on his side and will soon have the SCOTUS stacked in his favor.

There are things we can do, but what we can accomplish over the next four years is limited.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:55am

re: #345 Sherlock Hound

Teleskiguy and I have been talking about this on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:56am

re: #370 Anymouse

Steve “cantaloupe calves” and “we need American Nuremberg Laws” King. One of my least favourite congressmen.

G’night, y’all.

He is just so terrible. A racist and an idiot. I know, ad redundant. Take it easy AM though, see you later today or tomorrow.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:46:58am

re: #365 mmmirele

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:47:38am

He’s gone full wingnut:

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:47:42am

re: #363 EmmaAnne

Huh? Tell it to the tea party who showed up at town halls and pestered their representatives into opposing Obama at every turn. Tell it to the wingnuts who started taking over local government and school boards and worked their way up. Voting is only a tiny part of what a citizen can do.

I snuck in under the radar on my village board … if I can do it, others can too.

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calochortus  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:48:19am

re: #351 scottslemmons

So I found this thing the Women’s March folks are doing — 10 Actions in 100 Days — and I really like the idea in theory. But I’m concerned their first action (send postcards to your senators listing your concerns) crashes and burn in practice, at least for me.

First of all, I have way, way too many concerns to fit on a postcard. Second, my senators are wingnut sociopaths, and I suspect they’d round-file anything I sent to them. At any rate, sending them mail saying “I want you to vote against every single thing you’ve ever claimed to support, and also you’re supporting this fascist yam, so please go back to Russia” is probably not a good way to maintain a useful dialog. :/

Way, way back in the ERA days we were told to write letters on heavy paper. The text didn’t have to be long or brilliant, just clearly pro-equality because the office staffers literally weighed the pro and con letters. Technology may have moved on since then, but it can’t hurt.
Pick a couple of related concerns and send a letter. Next week pick a couple more and send a letter about those. You might start with your #1 issues, or the ones you think might be most contentious (repealing the ACA or whatever.) Don’t flood the office(s) or do anything to make your missives stand out (“oh, the nut with the day-glo stationery again!”) and they won’t feel obliged to completely dismiss your opinion.

Be glad your letters might actually be useful in swaying opinions. Here in deep-blue land I will write supportive letters to my legislators, but they are already going to vote against Trump’s plans.

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:49:55am

re: #351 scottslemmons

Personally, I liked the idea a friend came up with, based on Anonymous’ monthly pickets of Scientology buildings in 2008. Pick a Saturday of the month and picket your local Trump building. Bring music and caek. Have fun doing it. Wash, rinse, repeat the next month. Scientology hated it and it really helped to make the organization what it is today.

We could do the same with Trump. He’d hate it even more.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:50:18am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

This isn’t going to be good. I hope they try to Bork the shit out of the pick. After how Garland was treated, I’m ready to raise hell.

Bork got a hearing and a vote. Garland got none of that with an unprecedented obstructionism by the GOP.

Borking would be a step up from how GOP treated Obama and the Garland nomination.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:50:25am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is in power, has the Congress on his side and will soon have the SCOTUS stacked in his favor.

There are things we can do, but what we can accomplish over the next four years is limited.

In 2008 we had the presidency, the house, and a veto-proof majority in the senate. By 2010 is was all coming unravelled. We can do the same thing to them in 2018.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:51:51am

re: #380 lawhawk

Bork got a hearing and a vote. Garland got none of that with an unprecedented obstructionism by the GOP.

Borking would be a step up from how GOP treated Obama and the Garland nomination.

Very true and Bork I might add had inter-party opposition. Garland had none of that and in fact was even named by the Republicans who later opposed him as someone they’d find acceptable. I don’t want to hear it from the GOP and their ass kissers when the Dems start criticizing the asshole Trump picks.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:51:58am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

He still has to get past the Nebraska Supreme Court decision that scotched the Keystone XL route on state constitutional grounds. (That was a real fight here; the state passed a bill in the Unicameral allowing the previous governor to approve a route, in violation of the state constitution. The state court deep-sixed the bill on constitutional grounds. As it currently stands, Trans-Canada can’t get their route through the Sandhills any more. Big missing hole in pipeline means no pipeline.)

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:52:04am

re: #367 Interesting Times

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:52:17am

re: #381 EmmaAnne

In 2008 we had the presidency, the house, and a veto-proof majority in the senate. By 2010 is was all coming unravelled. We can do the same thing to them in 2018.

Here, here!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:53:15am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

My prediction: Roy Moore.

After everything I’ve seen so far, why not? I think it definitely will be a Southern Evangelical. They’ve been wanting one of theirs on the court for years.

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:53:48am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

My prediction: Roy Moore.

Bleah.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:54:18am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

something to make me smile:

WikiLeaks calls for leak of Donald Trump’s secret tax returns after US President fails to release them

only way we are going to see them is if they are leaked or subpoenaed

I doubt we’d get the whole enchilada, though.

Damn, suddenly I’m hungry….

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Anymouse  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:54:41am

re: #381 EmmaAnne

In 2008 we had the presidency, the house, and a veto-proof majority in the senate. By 2010 is was all coming unravelled. We can do the same thing to them in 2018.

Only for a few weeks. Ted Kennedy died shortly after the election, and Al Franken’s seat was blocked for a long time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:54:44am

The only good thing about Moore is he’s fairly old.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:55:37am

re: #391 Anymouse

Only for a few weeks. Ted Kennedy died shortly after the election, and Al Franken’s seat was blocked for a long tme.

It could have been so different if Teddy hadn’t died. Sigh. And I still remember the late Breitbart’s reaction to that too which is why I didn’t exactly feign any tears for Andy when he went.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:59:02am

re: #390 Barefoot Grin

I doubt we’d get the whole enchilada, though.

Damn, suddenly I’m hungry….

All we need is enough to embarrass the fuck out of him…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:59:44am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

My prediction: Roy Moore.

My picks:
Jeanine “Ducklips” Pirro
Andrew Napolitano
Marianne Berry (Trump’s sister)

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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2017 • 8:59:46am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

My prediction: Roy Moore.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:00:10am

Although IIRC Marianne Berry is actually somewhat liberal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:00:40am

re: #395 The Vicious Babushka

My picks:
Jeanine “Ducklips” Pirro
Andrew Napolitano
Marianne Berry (Trump’s sister)

Nah, Trump’s sister is actually apparently a decent judge and legally pro-choice too so the dipshits at Heritage and NRO would never accept her.

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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:01:05am

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

Although IIRC Marianne Berry is actually somewhat liberal.

Yes, she’d be the best pick of that list by far. o_O

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:01:21am

re: #396 Interesting Times

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:01:22am

Trump’s still fixated on crowd size.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:01:38am

re: #399 Interesting Times

Yes, she’d be the best pick of that list by far. o_O

She’s also actually qualified.

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Slap  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:02:02am

re: #48 Anymouse

TOTALLY appreciate where you’re coming from. Our Buddy (the Tricolor Diva) is about 11, and I’ve been injecting her twice a day for the past 5 years. Glargine, and how the hell do you get it for just $300?

It’s a pain, but we kinda like her company. So it’s worth it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:03:11am

There’s that judge Prior in Alabama that I think could be it too. Look at people who Heritage likes and I think you’ll find your answer.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:04:03am

These are the likely nomination contenders:

Bill Pryor - who would overturn Roe v. Wade
Diane Sykes - who would gut birth control coverage protections
Sen. Mike Lee - because the Tea Party loves ignorant extremists

Throw in a couple of Alito or Thomas or Scalia clerks, and you’ve got a ready-made nominee who would throw out decades of social progress, civil rights, and women’s rights in a heartbeat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:05:14am

re: #405 lawhawk

These are the likely nomination contenders:

Bill Pryor - who would overturn Roe v. Wade
Diane Sykes - who would gut birth control coverage protections
Sen. Mike Lee - because the Tea Party loves ignorant extremists

Throw in a couple of Alito or Thomas or Scalia clerks, and you’ve got a ready-made nominee who would throw out decades of social progress, civil rights, and women’s rights in a heartbeat.

Bill Pryor, yes that’s the name. All those are fairly young too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:05:38am

Cruz is always a possibility too.

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Franklin  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:05:39am

re: #405 lawhawk

These are the likely nomination contenders:

Bill Pryor - who would overturn Roe v. Wade
Diane Sykes - who would gut birth control coverage protections
Sen. Mike Lee - because the Tea Party loves ignorant extremists

Throw in a couple of Alito or Thomas or Scalia clerks, and you’ve got a ready-made nominee who would throw out decades of social progress, civil rights, and women’s rights in a heartbeat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:07:35am

I feel so bad for Garland. The guy’s been a professional and he was denied so much as a hearing simply because the GOP cared more about playing dirty and fucking over Obama. I hope he fucks them over whenever he gets the chance to.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:10:55am

Adam Ant - Goody Two Shoes

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:13:26am

These fuckers…
For that last eight years any talk of base closures was tantamount to treason…

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:17:08am

re: #411 FormerDirtDart

The Defense Department has been pushing for another round of BRAC, and the GOP called this unwarranted or otherwise detrimental to national security. It was always BS - there’s no need to have as many bases when the military continues shrinking in personnel terms.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:17:25am
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What can one say when the fake comrades at DPRK News have a more accurate view of our politics than our own media?

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:18:35am

Unfu….

No… it’s totally believable. Another Breitbart hack is now part of the administration:

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Bannon is stocking the administration with all of his hack writers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:19:29am

re: #414 lawhawk

Unfu….

No… it’s totally believable. Another Breitbart hack is now part of the administration:

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Bannon is stocking the administration with all of his hack writers.

Of course. Gotta reward the racist assholes.

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GOP will raise debt ceiling because of harms it would do to the US economy. They wont even waste time when time comes.

GOP played Russian Roulette when Obama was demanding debt ceiling be raised to protect US economy. GOP delaying actions resulted in US credit being lowered, increasing borrowing costs for US.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:21:42am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

I think Trump wants us to live in 1880’s Pittsburgh.

More like 1889 Johnstown.

Trump is playing the role of Henry Clay Frick, who was one of the primary culprits behind that flood. The wealth and power of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club bought off the system.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:23:58am

re: #351 scottslemmons

So I found this thing the Women’s March folks are doing — 10 Actions in 100 Days — and I really like the idea in theory. But I’m concerned their first action (send postcards to your senators listing your concerns) crashes and burn in practice, at least for me.

First of all, I have way, way too many concerns to fit on a postcard. Second, my senators are wingnut sociopaths, and I suspect they’d round-file anything I sent to them. At any rate, sending them mail saying “I want you to vote against every single thing you’ve ever claimed to support, and also you’re supporting this fascist yam, so please go back to Russia” is probably not a good way to maintain a useful dialog. :/

Whether it’s writing them or phone calling them, it’s far better to send one thing at a time than a bunch all at once. Yes, it requires you to send them separately, but contacting them one at a time keeps it simple for them. It doesn’t muddy it, and it doesn’t give them any more ability to ignore something by picking the one thing they like.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:23:58am

re: #417 Myron Falwell

More like 1889 Johnstown.

Trump is playing the role of Henry Clay Frick, who was one of the primary culprits behind that flood. The wealth and power of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club bought off the system.

That works too. Very familiar with Johnstown by the way. Mom’s parents were from there and Dad’s Irish great grandfather first lived there after coming from Ireland with his parents.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:25:33am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We expressed our dissatisfaction at the polling places…that is the only place that counts in the end.

So, you’re done? There are no more elections for you? There’s no future for you to fight for?

Was everything simple for you until 2016?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:30:41am

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Bass Reeves  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:31:00am

re: #220 Anymouse

I hate that phrase “boots on the ground.” They are people. I was not a pair of “boots on the deck.” I was a person who put my beating heart on the line at sea as an enlisted representative of the US Government.

Just a quibble, there is a reason there is no real reference to “boots on the deck”. Boots on the ground is an infantry thing, who are the members of military actually expected to hold “ground” (whether Army or Marine). It also is a reference to people who are in exposed to the danger of direct combat, in contrast to bombing campaigns against countries that don’t have a sophisticated air force or air defense.

So the way I look at it, boots on the ground denotes a strict demarcation where we’re putting people in significant danger in pursuit of American interests. I get moving into a Carrier Group into position ratchets up tension, but that’s still considered the safer show of force than say, moving a Brigade Combat Team into position opposite a border.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:31:07am

re: #424 lawhawk

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:31:29am

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:32:59am

re: #401 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:33:01am

re: #427 Timothy Watson

Funny, I thought it was all the EPA’s fault. Figure that they would love to run with that.

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I guess they knew any investigation they did no matter how hard they tried would show it wasn’t the EPA’s fault.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:33:26am

And now a shameless plug for Ostrava. The 2017 European Figure Skating Championships will be held here at the Ostravar Arena starting tomorrow.

ostrava2017.eu (note: video embedded at link); it’s in Czech, but you can change the language.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:35:20am

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:36:05am

Anti-women cartoon from 100 years ago

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:36:49am

McCrory chose to scapegoat transgendered North Carolinians and transgendered people who visit his state to be scapgoated. Pardon me if I don’t feel bad that he felt “unsafe”. Besides these are the same people who mock liberal college students for supposedly wanting “safe spaces.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:37:16am

re: #422 Belafon

So, you’re done? There are no more elections for you? There’s no future for you to fight for?

Was everything simple for you until 2016?

We can be active, but what we can accomplish accomplish will be limited.

And yes, I have already written off 2018 and 2020, I cannot see things turning around that quickly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:37:51am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We can be active, but what we can accomplish accomplish will be limited.

And yes, I have already written off 2018 and 2020, I cannot see things turning around that quickly.

You’re far too cynical. Things can change really quickly.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:38:05am

re: #433 FormerDirtDart

or if Dems in congress passed this while Obama was president.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:38:48am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:39:36am

re: #439 Sir John Barron

or if Dems in congress passed this while Obama was president.

These same people also want motorists to be able to remove any protester tehy want. It’s one of my wingnut friend’s big thing. Man if he wasn’t my best friend of 25 years, I’d be giving him so much shit on his FB wall but I’ll save it for when we actually talk next so he realizes what a butthead he’s being.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:39:58am

re: #440 Sir John Barron

Steve Bannon: This is great stuff. Let’s use this.

Bannon: Pogrom, almost sounds like party!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:40:08am

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:40:09am

re: #440 Sir John Barron

Steve Bannon: This is great stuff. Let’s use DO this.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:40:31am

Ok, this is kewl!

David Garrett Open Air Konzert Berlin Wuhlheide - Mission impossible

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:40:45am

re: #416 lawhawk

GOP will raise debt ceiling because of harms it would do to the US economy. They wont even waste time when time comes.

GOP played Russian Roulette when Obama was demanding debt ceiling be raised to protect US economy. GOP delaying actions resulted in US credit being lowered, increasing borrowing costs for US.

Raising the debt ceiling will now be completely uncontroversial.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:40:50am

re: #420 FormerDirtDart

Seems like a good lawsuit target. My money is being spent to do research, and I want to know the results.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:41:35am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We can be active, but what we can accomplish accomplish will be limited.

And yes, I have already written off 2018 and 2020, I cannot see things turning around that quickly.

For some of us the next election is less than 10 months away. Would you prefer that we do nothing and let someone like Corey Stewart (Trump’s former Virginia chairman before he got fired because he was too much of a loose cannon for Trump) get elected? When the GOP controls a majority of each body of our General Assembly?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:42:16am

re: #433 FormerDirtDart

N.C. state lawmaker says shouting at current or former gov’t officials should be punishable by 5 years in prison.newsobserver.com pic.twitter.com

— Brad Heath

Does this apply to shouting YOU LIE! at the president during a SOTU?

Hey, I’m just asking questions….

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:42:28am

Caroline Kennedy running for Senate?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:42:55am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

You’re far too cynical. Things can change really quickly.

I was less cynical until I saw what happened in November.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:43:04am

re: #449 Sir John Barron

Does this apply to shouting YOU LIE! at the president during a SOTU?

Hey, I’m just asking questions….

No, that was different. // Just like saying fuck you to Trump means your paernts raised your poorly but calling Obama a pussy and traitor is a okay.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:43:19am

re: #450 Birth Control Works

Caroline Kennedy running for Senate?

I’d be down with that. I’ve always liked her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:44:27am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was less cynical until I saw what happened in November.

I know but we can’t despair and as Timothy said, we literally have an election in his and mine state just right up. And it’s not like Trump won big. If we communicate right, we can push back. I’m not saying it’s easy but to paraphrase Burke, we can’t do nothing and let them succeed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:44:36am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:44:36am

re: #448 Timothy Watson

For some of us the next election is less than 10 months away. Would you prefer that we do nothing and let someone like Corey Stewart (Trump’s former Virginia chairman before he got fired because he was too much of a loose cannon for Trump) get elected? When the GOP controls a majority of each body of our General Assembly?

I am not saying that you should be inactive of that I prefer it this way. I am just convinced that things will have to get a lot worse - even catastrophically so - before enough people wake up and realize that we need to correct our national mistake.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:44:50am

re: #401 lawhawk

Trump’s still fixated on crowd size.

shouldn’t he just be tweeting from the POTUS account? Although I guess Obama tweeted from a personal account as well.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:45:55am

re: #457 FormerDirtDart

The wingnut right is sure getting rewarded for throwing in with Landslide Donald. His nominees and EO’s have been as extreme as anyone or anything Cruz would have done.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:46:39am

re: #460 Sir John Barron

The wingnut right is sure getting rewarded for throwing in with Landslide Donald. He’s nominees and EO’s have been as extreme as anyone or anything Cruz would have done.

Of course, tehy’re getting rewarded.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:46:48am

re: #459 FormerDirtDart

But DT has resigned from…

Bwwaaaahahahahhaha who am I kidding?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:46:50am

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In my formative years, I grew up listening to local talk radio with my dad. He’d occasionally listen to Limbaugh, but dad was (and is) still fond of a KSTP drive-time show hosted by Joe Soucheray, a guy who plays on the radio as a down-home, common-sense curmudgeon. Back then, his schtick boiled down to being unwilling to deny his own experience, and rely on what he called “common sense” to determine what ought to be done about the world’s problems. He calls this “Garage Logic.”

He used to at least have coherent arguments, and be more rational, despite his unwillingness to synthesize statistics and scientific studies into his worldview (too much math, not enough “sense”) but as I got older he became more and more of a reactionary crank, especially with social upheavals happening all around him, especially gay rights/gay marriage and climate change. He used to have this schtick where he’d call out the current temperature announced by the meteorologist and announce that it was “more proof of global warming” sarcastically, no matter what that temperature might be. He stopped doing that, either because the meteorologists got sick of his shit, or he realized how stupid it was.

Now, at the top of his party’s pecking order is a man and a cabinet who are presenting “alternative facts” to things that are provably, obviously untrue, like crowd sizes and voter fraud. I am morbidly curious to see how Garage Logic would stand up to being asked to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, and accept the party line that up is down — but given Soucheray’s downward trajectory into crank territory I’m afraid I would be disappointed.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:47:08am

The Chicago March was amazing. I drove two ladies more disabled than I am. Parking was great, accessibility was more than I ever dreamed of. The organizers did a fantastic job.

The first few rows from the stage was reserved for the hearing impaired, so they could see the signers. The rest were for those with mobility issues.

As a result, I saw mostly those carrying signs for ACA and ADA. LOTS AND LOTS of men and families.

It was a big hug fest.

then I come home to hear Fox News saying what a negative environment the DC March was and it was a questionable environment for children.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:48:07am

Today in Facts: Landslide Donald Trump won the most electoral votes of any Republican president since George W. Bush.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:48:53am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

There’s that judge Prior in Alabama that I think could be it too. Look at people who Heritage likes and I think you’ll find your answer.

I’ve heard from a couple different places today that Neil Gorsuch is the front runner.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:48:57am

re: #466 Sir John Barron

Today in Facts: Landslide Donald Trump won the most electoral votes of any Republican president since George W. Bush.

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Historical! He’s also the first person named Donald to get over a million votes for President!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:49:46am

re: #467 danarchy

I’ve heard from a couple different places today that Neil Gorsuch is the front runner.

Thanks. Not really a ton about him or his past rulings there.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:51:26am

re: #450 Birth Control Works

This is the first time I’ve seen you since Saturday. Very very proud of the Chicago march - thought of you!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:52:30am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Not really a ton about him or his past rulings there.

He’s younger than me (I’m 50). Guess I’m going to have to get used to that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:52:37am

Somedays I love my FB feed:

Trump healthcare plan in action
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scottslemmons  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:52:58am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:53:29am

re: #471 Sir John Barron

He’s younger than me (I’m 50). Guess I’m going to have to get used to that.

The new head coach of the LA Rams is only a year and a half older than me.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:54:19am

re: #470 Stanley Sea

This is the first time I’ve seen you since Saturday. Very very proud of the Chicago march - thought of you!

First time I’ve been here since Saturday. I posted a bit to twitter while I was there, but mostly just enjoyed the time. The weather couldn’t have been more perfect. Millenium Park was just beautiful, the sun was out, the lake was calm …

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Dr. Matt  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:56:31am

Food for thought, over the last 25 years only 1 GOP presidential nominee exceeded 50% of the popular vote (2004) and over the same 25 years only 1 GOP presidential nominee won the popular (2004). Sad

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:57:40am

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:58:09am

re: #459 FormerDirtDart

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:58:28am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

I’d be down with that. I’ve always liked her.

She was completely unprepared to run for Clinton’s empty seat in 2008. And she’d have to run against Kristen Gillibrand, who is doing a great job.

If that’s what she’s got in mind, she can take a seat.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:58:41am

re: #475 Birth Control Works

First time I’ve been here since Saturday. I posted a bit to twitter while I was there, but mostly just enjoyed the time. The weather couldn’t have been more perfect. Millenium Park was just beautiful, the sun was out, the lake was calm …

I went to one at Riverside CA. 5k were there. It was wonderful & yes, LOTS of men & children.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:59:27am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

Food for thought, over the last 25 years only 1 GOP presidential nominee exceeded 50% of the popular vote (2004) and over the same 25 years only 1 GOP presidential nominee won the popular (2004). Sad

That’s why I’m not cynical. Okay, I know this sounds weird but I was worried in advance of 2020 thinking that the people may get Democratic Party fatigue and ti would hamper our ability to get the House and the other state houses. I mean it doesn’t take away from the fact I wanted to win this fall but that’s some food for thought oto.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 9:59:53am

re: #457 FormerDirtDart

And let the leaking by disgruntled anonymous staffers commence.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:00:26am

re: #479 makeitstop

She was completely unprepared to run for Clinton’s empty seat in 2008. And she’d have to run against Kristen Gillibrand, who is doing a great job.

If that’s what she’s got in mind, she can take a seat.

She has been ambassador to Japan since then but I agree about Gillibrand, I like her a lot. I have a friend who’s actually from her former Congressional district.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:01:46am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:01:55am

re: #480 Stanley Sea

I went to one at Riverside CA. 5k were there. It was wonderful & yes, LOTS of men & children.

:)

I really wish I had gone to the D.C. one but the photos I saw on FB inspired me and I volunteered for a campaign the next day. As you guys know, it’s a gubertoiral election here in VA. I’m also going to work for hte Dems running for state senate and House of Delegates too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:02:34am

re: #484 Dr. Matt

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:04:24am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

I really wish I had gone to the D.C. one but the photos I saw on FB inspired me and I volunteered for a campaign the next day. As you guys know, it’s a gubertoiral election here in VA. I’m also going to work for hte Dems running for state senate and House of Delegates too.

I didn’t go to the last local Democratic committee meeting, but a family member did and volunteered me to help out with their website and social media.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:04:29am

For Baba:

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:06:33am

“This is the Trump-o-Matic machine, which Trump uses to Gin up the crowd. Baby Trump pushes buttons driving them nuts all the while admiring himself in a mirror. He is standing on his ‘platform’ which is a jail full of Mexicans and Muslims trying to unplug his machine.” Illustration and caption by Mark Bryan.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:10:08am

re: #491 Barefoot Grin

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Is that by the same guy who did the ‘octopus’ work?

He’s got Trump’s number for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:10:27am

re: #489 Timothy Watson

I didn’t go to the last local Democratic committee meeting, but a family member did and volunteered me to help out with their website and social media.

I kind of also got inspired because my boss I think is involved with the Fairfax County Dems. He forwarded me a lot of letters from our local delegates and state senators outlining their agenda for the year. I have my mind on 2020 but until then I’m going to heavily focus on beating Trump’s proxies like the GOP nominees for governor, lt governor, and AG, my delegate, state senator, and congresswoman. I know I won’t defeat all of them but if we can keep the Dems in charge in Richmond and and if we can remove Dick Black in a couple years, I’ll be happy.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:14:05am

My wife made me entertain a climate change denialist on Sunday. Not only did I give her the heretofore I gloated about her beloved packers losing. :)

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:14:15am

re: #492 makeitstop

Is that by the same guy who did the ‘octopus’ work?

He’s got Trump’s number for sure.

Yes! He’s got some brilliant images.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:15:17am

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:15:19am

Late to the party, but…

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Amory Blaine  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:15:27am

Steve Bannon in the oval office makes me ill.

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I cannot.  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:16:35am

re: #495 MAGATARD PRIME

It’s always nice to hammer them with facts and evidence…and then hit them with an emotional sportsball fuck you.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:16:40am

re: #494 Charles Johnson

Trump doesn’t miss an opportunity to screw Native Americans again.

Trump has a history of screwing them too - particularly when he was still in the casino business (and he kept going bankrupt because he couldn’t deal with the competition). He fought to block Native American casinos being built in NY within 2 hour drive of Manhattan, because he was worried he’d hemorrhage business to them.

Donald Trump claimed that Indian reservations had fallen under mob control. He secretly paid for more than $1 million in ads that portrayed members of a tribe in Upstate New York as cocaine traffickers and career criminals. And he suggested in testimony and in media appearances that dark-skinned Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry.

“I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations,” Trump said during a 1993 radio interview with shock jock Don Imus.

Trump’s harsh rhetoric on Native Americans was part of his aggressive war on the expanding Native American casino industry during the 1990s, which posed a threat to his gambling empire. The racially tinged remarks and broad-brush characterizations that Trump employed against Indian tribes for over a decade provided an early glimpse of the kind of incendiary language that he would use about racial and ethnic groups in the 2016 presidential campaign.

Lies. Smears. Bigotry. Same tactics, just now installed in the White House with power beyond his wildest imagination.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:16:47am

Next Gubernatorial elections in Minnesota are in 2018

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:17:40am

this beautiful woman was there all by herself. I got a big hug and promised to send her, by email, the pictures I took. She said to stay in touch.

the email she gave me didn’t work. I had her look at it on my phone as I typed it and she said it was right. I feel Just awful. I bet she has some good stories to tell.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:18:14am

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:19:39am

It seems Trump has a sad because people think he’s not a legitimate POTUS.

gq.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:20:13am

re: #499 MAGATARD PRIME

Steve Bannon in the oval office makes me ill.

No matter how expensive his suit is, he still looks like a drunk stew bum.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:20:15am

re: #504 Birth Control Works

I don’t see any Native Americans in that picture.

That’s because he intends to exterminate them all.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:20:52am

re: #505 FormerDirtDart

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:20:57am

re: #504 Birth Control Works

I don’t see any Native Americans in that picture.

He had enough sense to put some women in it, unlike the one that shows him de-funding UN programs that offer abortion counselling

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:21:00am

re: #504 Birth Control Works

I don’t see any Native Americans in that picture.

Pretty sure there are a lot of Nativists in there, though, I can say that much.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:21:41am

re: #505 FormerDirtDart

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Glad he is doing better. We now have six living Presidents, tied for the most ever. The last time we had this many was before Reagan died in 2004. I hope they all live another four years and we get a record breaking seven living Presidents!

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Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:21:52am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

You’re far too cynical. Things can change really quickly.

Maybe you didn’t notice, but they did on January 20.

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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:24:15am

Things can change for the worse in a nanosecond. Change for the better takes a hell of a lot longer :/

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:24:24am

re: #499 MAGATARD PRIME

Steve Bannon in the oval office makes me ill.

Take some Dramamine, we got a ways to go.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:24:26am

re: #501 lawhawk

Trump doesn’t miss an opportunity to screw Native Americans again.

Trump has a history of screwing them too - particularly when he was still in the casino business (and he kept going bankrupt because he couldn’t deal with the competition). He fought to block Native American casinos being built in NY within 2 hour drive of Manhattan, because he was worried he’d hemorrhage business to them.

Lies. Smears. Bigotry. Same tactics, just now installed in the White House with power beyond his wildest imagination.

Honestly Trump and his cronies don’t care if this results in a mass execution of the DAPL protesters.

Just like the genocidal maniac Andrew Jackson.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:24:33am

re: #503 Birth Control Works

this beautiful woman was there all by herself. I got a big hug and promised to send her, by email, the pictures I took. She said to stay in touch.

the email she gave me didn’t work. I had her look at it on my phone as I typed it and she said it was right. I feel Just awful. I bet she has some good stories to tell.

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Is there a way to go about finding the correct email for a person? I put a shout-out on twitter

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:25:09am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:30:13am

Something I’ve noted: people who have some form of hope and/or optimism, however small, seem to actually be taking steps to do something about the current shit show.

Maybe I will go by the post office today and pick up a bunch of those postcards with the postage already paid.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:31:22am

re: #521 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something I’ve noted: people who have some form of hope and/or optimism, however small, seem to actually be taking steps to do something about the current shit show.

Maybe I will go by the post office today and pick up a bunch of those postcards with the postage already paid.

The postcard thing needs to be continual and recurring.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:33:18am

re: #522 Myron Falwell

The postcard thing needs to be continual and recurring.

That’s why I’ll buy a stack. Have them sitting on my desk, make it easy to send off. Should send some to my sisters too.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:34:22am

re: #502 FormerDirtDart

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Just saw that. Terrible news. Dayton had no plans to run for reelection, but we need him in fighting shape for the rest of his term, since we just elected R majorities in both houses.

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:35:53am

Does anyone know what time Rage Spice does his presser? I’m not a sadist per se, but I’d like to watch one of these while he’s still trying to figure out how to deal with a live audience.

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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:36:33am

re: #525 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Just saw that. Terrible news. Dayton had no plans to run for reelection, but we need him in fighting shape for the rest of his term, since we just elected R majorities in both houses.

I’ll feel optimistic again when US voters STOP DOING SUCH STUPID SHIT.

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JasonA  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:36:34am

So this is what giving government back to the people looks like.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:37:34am

re: #526 darthstar

Does anyone know what time Rage Spice does his presser? I’m not a sadist per se, but I’d like to watch one of these while he’s still trying to figure out how to deal with a live audience.

About to start:

Spicer holds White House press briefing

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:38:43am

The Ubermench are in charge now.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

have to go.

have a great day.

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JasonA  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:39:20am

More winning.

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I’m already tired of all this winning.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:40:19am

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

adult men who call their wives “mother” are objectifying the women. No identity of their own, their name is their purpose …

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:42:02am

re: #532 Birth Control Works

adult men who call their wives “mother” are objectifying the women. No identity of their own, their name is their purpose …

Well, I don’t use “Mother,” but I will occasionally use “Mama” in a playful way.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:42:09am

re: #514 Skip Intro

Maybe you didn’t notice, but they did on January 20.

Especially in this country, which seems geared to require incremental, achingly slow change for justice which can be swept away with the “real American” magic wand whenever conservatives get power again.

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:43:11am

re: #525 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Just saw that. Terrible news. Dayton had no plans to run for reelection, but we need him in fighting shape for the rest of his term, since we just elected R majorities in both houses.

And another domino falls toward the great conservative Constitutional Convention.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:44:36am

re: #535 Citizen K

And another domino falls toward the great conservative Constitutional Convention.

I’ve got no reason to believe we won’t elect a Democrat in 2018. Once again, Dayton turns 70 this week, was in poor health regardless of cancer diagnosis, and had no plans to run again. We’ve got a stable of good candidates here.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:45:21am

re: #533 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Mama - Mama Tour - 1984 - Genesis - HQ

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darthstar  Jan 24, 2017 • 10:45:26am
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