Debunking Sean Spicer’s Lie That “14% of 2008 Voters Were Non-Citizens”

A deluge of dishonesty from the Trump Horror mouthpiece
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At yesterday’s press briefing, Sean Spicer made an outrageously false claim about voter fraud in 2008. My tweet calling out this lie has now garnered more than 2,500 retweets:

I was going to write a post about this and dig up the “Pew study” Sean Spicer referred to, but I see today that Politico beat me to it. And it turns out it wasn’t a Pew Research study, it didn’t come out in 2008 as he claimed, and it was completely debunked years ago: Spicer makes misleading voter fraud claim to defend Trump’s false voter fraud claim.

The study was published in January, 2014 in the journal Electoral Studies and received renewed attention in October when the authors wrote up their findings in the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog. Using data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which interviews tens of thousands of people every election year about their views on the election, the authors estimated that 14 percent of noncitizens had voted in recent elections. Trump has repeated this claim before.

The problem is the underlying study is wrong. Brian Schaffner, a political science professor and one of the coordinators of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, explained in POLITICO in November that the authors of the study were misusing the dataset. Specifically, they weren’t accounting for measurement error (small errors in the data that result when respondents make mistakes because they didn’t understand the question or accidentally selected the wrong answer) in their results. Once they did so, their findings disappeared. “In fact, once my colleagues and I accounted for that error,” Schaffner wrote, “we found that there were essentially zero non-citizens who voted in recent elections.”

Other studies have found that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election, despite the president’s continued claims otherwise. As Schaffner concludes, “Simply put, the claims Trump is making are false through and through.

I’ve never seen a presidential administration that lies so brazenly and continuously, even about things that are easily checked and debunked. They do this because they’re getting away with it; Trump’s Fox News-indoctrinated supporters simply don’t care about logic, facts, truth, or honesty.

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485 comments

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 10:58:49am

Now’s a good time to repost a link to this crucial document, since another purpose of the Big Lie is to force its repetition even by those who seek to refute it:

The Debunking Handbook

The Handbook explores the surprising fact that debunking myths can sometimes reinforce the myth in peoples’ minds. Communicators need to be aware of the various backfire effects and how to avoid them, such as:

* The Familiarity Backfire Effect
* The Overkill Backfire Effect
* The Worldview Backfire Effect

It also looks at a key element to successful debunking: providing an alternative explanation. The Handbook is designed to be useful to all communicators who have to deal with misinformation (eg - not just climate myths).

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 25, 2017 • 10:58:59am

There aren’t that many non-citizens in the country at one time, unless ALL of the adults and most of the children voted. All of them.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 10:59:35am

They know demographics stand against them…they’re making sure it won’t matter because those demographics simply won’t be allowed to vote, something the GOP has been after since they’ve banged the ‘voter fraud’ drum.

They may plain get away with it too, because the evil and cruel contingent in this country really is so numerous and strong.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 10:59:44am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:00:41am

They don’t care about the facts, or that their lies are being called out, because they’re intent on using the lie to bring about legislative change. Watch for the introduction of new voter restrictions across the nation that will further suppress turnout and voter participation rates.

How? They can do it by any number of means as the Brennan Center has repeatedly pointed out - and they also note that the GOP has targeted minority and poor communities for suppressing turnout. This isn’t by accident. They are going after those who would stand in opposition.

This coincides with the ongoing gerrymandering of districts to give GOPers safe seats, and loading the dice in their favor.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:00:51am

re: #1 Interesting Times

So tell me, what “alternative explanation” would you provide?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:01:05am

Knows he’s illegitimate so the natural step is the delegitimization of his predecessor.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:03:06am

Drump makes me wish this was the beginning of Romney’s second term.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:03:28am

They lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie because they want to wear out the opposition with endless fact-checking and debunking of their bullshit, and also to cause people who aren’t paying that much attention to throw up their hands and say EVERYBODY LIES.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:03:31am
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Dizzy  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:04:18am

Philip Roth on Trump
newyorker.com

Roth is notable for writing the fictional “The Plot Against America” where a Nazi sympathizing Charles Lindbergh is elected instead of Roosevelt.

Reality: stranger than fiction.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:05:50am

Unless you are a right wing whackjob, conservatives view your vote as illegitimate. Period.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:05:51am

re: #10 jaunte

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Seal the border!

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:06:18am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Knows he’s illegitimate so the natural step is the delegitimization of his predecessor.

I read that as ‘delegitimization of the process’ and realized it worked either way.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:07:09am

re: #6 Belafon

So tell me, what “alternative explanation” would you provide?

Follow the link and read the material :) I didn’t post it as some kind of “shade” at current debunkings, but a much-needed warning even more necessary now. For example, the Familiarity Backfire Effect:

To debunk a myth, you often have to mention it - otherwise, how will people know what you’re talking about? However, this makes people more familiar with the myth and hence more likely to accept it as true. Does this mean debunking a myth might actually reinforce it in people’s minds?

Not mentioning the myth is sometimes not a practical option. In this case, the emphasis of the debunking should be on the facts. The often-seen technique of headlining your debunking with the myth in big, bold letters is the last thing you want to do. Instead, communicate your core fact in the headline. Your debunking should begin with emphasis on the facts, not the myth. Your goal is to increase people’s familiarity with the facts.

So, in this case:

White House spokeshole Spicer proves full of shit again, because 99.99999% of votes cast in 2008 WERE LEGAL.

well, okay, clean up the language as needed depending on the publication outlet

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:07:29am
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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:07:38am

re: #3 Citizen K

Over 30% of Latinos voted for trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:07:50am

re: #14 Citizen K

I read that as ‘delegitimization of the process’ and realized it worked either way.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:08:52am

re: #10 jaunte

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Enjoy your tax hike assholes.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:09:10am

One thing that I have not seen is the environmental review aspect of this wall idea. Our law (ok, stop laughing, this will go to court) require review under NEPA Disruption of migratory animals, disruption of contiguous ecosystem, etc. The desert is a fragile place.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:09:17am

re: #12 MAGATARD PRIME

Unless you are a right wing whackjob, conservatives view your vote as illegitimate. Period.

But if you HAVE a period, conservatives want to make America great again by making the 19th Amendment illegitimate.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:09:47am

I realize this is a minor point, but “14% of votes were by non-citizens” and “14% of non-citizens voted” are completely different claims.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:10:07am

@RepCuellar called a border wall a “14th Century solution to a 21st Century problem.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:11:00am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Enjoy your tax hike assholes.

But the 1% will still receive their tax cuts.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:11:26am

re: #10 jaunte

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How long is that RFP going to take?

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:12:11am

re: #23 jaunte

@RepCuellar called a border wall a “14th Century solution to a 21st Century problem.”

You sure he meant the wall and not the President?

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:12:38am

Conservatives pay for shit. They’ll put it on the credit card like all their other projects.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:12:45am

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

But the 1% will still receive their tax cuts.

I know but it wasn’t just the 1% that voted for him thinking Mexico would pay for the wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:13:06am

re: #26 wrenchwench

You sure he meant the wall and not the President?

Can’t it be both?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:13:27am

Science will out.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:14:15am
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Bass Reeves  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:14:25am

He can take it out of the defense budget, use it to subsidize the construction industry. That’s fine, it will be useless as an actual deterrent, but a slightly mediocre method of distributing federal funds to the working class.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:14:29am

re: #30 jaunte

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Science will out.

Trust EPA has the same in mind.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:15:32am

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:16:49am
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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:17:14am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

They would have gone with Woodrow Wilson had he not been a Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:17:21am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

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Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

At least Jackson actually put his money where his mouth was but yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:17:46am

re: #36 Belafon

They would have gone with Woodrow Wilson had he not been a Democrat.

Jackson was a Democrat too.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:18:07am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

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Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

On the positive side, he threatened to hang nullifiers, “the first man of them I can lay my hand on from the first tree I can reach.”
Of course, Trump loving neo-Confederates would hardly consider that a good thing.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:18:17am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Jackson was a Democrat too.

Then I take that back.

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:18:23am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

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Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

The same Andrew Jackson who allegedly said, “Chief Justice Marshall has rendered his opinion, now let him enforce it.”

Yeah, that doesn’t bode well.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:19:14am

Damnit trying to find news on how McMahon’a hearing went and all the talk is about a joke Booker said.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:19:38am

This Texan is about to get on the phone with her Congress Critters and politely but firmly tell them that if they fund even one penny of this stupid wall and even one penny of my tax dollars goes towards it, I will use every single tactic at my disposal to get their happy assess voted out next election.

And i will not stutter.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:21:38am

re: #30 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:21:52am

re: #41 KGxvi

The same Andrew Jackson who allegedly said, “Chief Justice Marshall has rendered his opinion, now let him enforce it.”

Yeah, that doesn’t bode well.

Jackson also said the only things he regretted is that he didn’t shoot Henry Clay or hang John C. Calhoun.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:22:31am

Or did he say he would shoot John Calhoun & hang Henry Clay?

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:22:33am

re: #30 jaunte

Science will out.

We can all grumble grumble about Twitter, but it sometimes does serve a function. The do need to clean it up more, though.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:23:04am

re: #41 KGxvi

The same Andrew Jackson who allegedly said, “Chief Justice Marshall has rendered his opinion, now let him enforce it.”

Yeah, that doesn’t bode well.

I wonder if DT has read a book, any book, about Jackson.

Rhetorical question.

/

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:23:44am

re: #48 Sir John Barron

I wonder if DT has read a book, any book, about Jackson.

Rhetorical question.

/

Bannon’s the one who likes Jackson.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:23:53am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:24:14am

re: #44 lawhawk

“The agencies deleted those tweets because of their department’s own policy. Period.”

//

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:24:17am

And yes - that is a parody site.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:25:21am

re: #48 Sir John Barron

I wonder if DT has ever read a book, any book, about Jackson.

Rhetorical question.

/

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:25:46am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:26:08am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I’d be willing to bet a lot of money that Trump is functionally illiterate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:26:21am

re: #48 Sir John Barron

I wonder if DT has read a book, any book, about Jackson.

Rhetorical question.

/

No. He is illiterate.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:26:35am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

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Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

The idolization of Jackson is something I will never understand, but have increasingly seen this election cycle, some proclaiming him the best or ‘most badass’ president ever. Usually on the basis of sticking it to the “indians”.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:29:22am

So his teleprompter has emojis on it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:29:27am

re: #20 Colère Tueur de Lapin

One thing that I have not seen is the environmental review aspect of this wall idea. Our law (ok, stop laughing, this will go to court) require review under NEPA Disruption of migratory animals, disruption of contiguous ecosystem, etc. The desert is a fragile place.

America first, desert second!!!

/

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:30:43am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

America first, desert second!!!

/

It’s just desert. Those animals will move to a better place.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:30:50am

re: #41 KGxvi

The same Andrew Jackson who allegedly said, “Chief Justice Marshall has rendered his opinion, now let him enforce it.”

Yeah, that doesn’t bode well.

Jackson was a racist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:31:41am

re: #61 Belafon

It’s just desert. Those animals will move to a better place.

They will get their just deserts…

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:31:47am

re: #60 gocart mozart

I’m waiting for Alt-WhiteHouse.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:32:21am

re: #62 Birth Control Works

Jackson was a racist.

For his era and committed genocide. Not just by modern standards

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:32:24am

re: #54 gocart mozart

“We believe the children are our future…”

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:18am

re: #62 Birth Control Works

Jackson was a racist.

re: #65 HappyWarrior

For his era and committed genocide. Not just by modern standards

Yep. Which might be exactly why arch conservatives are so enamored by him.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:19am
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Kragar  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:33am
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DuckDharma  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:40am

Thread

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:47am

re: #61 Belafon

It’s just desert. Those animals will move to a better place.

WHY DON’T THEY GO LIVE WHERE THE FOOD & WATER IS!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:47am

re: #57 Citizen K

The idolization of Jackson is something I will never understand, but have increasingly seen this election cycle, some proclaiming him the best or ‘most badass’ president ever. Usually on the basis of sticking it to the “indians”.

The way he treated the Indians is why I’ll never be a fan.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:33:49am

so, How do we share an instagram post?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:34:30am

As a business man, one would think Trump would be used to compromise.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:34:48am

re: #73 Birth Control Works

so, How do we share an instagram post?

Copy/paste the URL in the time stamp, same as with a Tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:35:25am

re: #16 jaunte

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for those who missed this downstairs about the wall:

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:35:54am

re: #74 Birth Control Works

As a business man, one would think Trump would be used to compromise.

He doesn’t compromise. He signs a contract, and then renegotiates. He starts something up, and then fails.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:36:26am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

for those who missed this downstairs about the wall:

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At least the East Germans built their wall by themselves.//

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:36:39am

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Sam Kinnison would have something to say about Trump and his cabal of cronies. And it would be glorious.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:36:45am

re: #77 Belafon

He doesn’t compromise. He signs a contract, and then renegotiates. He starts something up, and then fails.

He doesn’t pay his employees or contractors. He declares bankruptcy when he effs up.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:37:38am

re: #79 lawhawk

Sam Kinnison would have something to say about Trump and his cabal of cronies. And it would be glorious.

Kinnison nothing. I wish Carlin was alive to tear into this entire situation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:37:42am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

for those who missed this downstairs about the wall:

US will probably pay Mexico to build the wall — material and labor will likely come from over the border

BAHAHAHAHA. Trump wall is getting outsourced!

Brilliant move: Trump will have them provide the labor and materials and then declare national bankruptcy and stiff them on payment.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:39:10am

Sad news.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:39:11am

re: #77 Belafon

He doesn’t compromise. He signs a contract, and then renegotiates. He starts something up, and then fails.

He stiffs his contractors & employees.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:40:27am

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

[Embedded content]

Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

The same Jackson who shot people for being rude to his wife.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:40:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:40:57am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:41:09am

If anyone wants to try stomaching this…

Trump speaks at the Department of Homeland Security

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:41:23am

re: #85 sagehen

The same Jackson who shot people for being rude to his wife.

Rachel Jackson was slut shamed to death so I can understand that he would be pissed off about that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:42:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:43:05am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:43:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:43:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:44:40am

re: #83 Charles Johnson

BREAKING: Mary Tyler Moore has died, her spokesperson say

I had a massive crush on her when I was a kid and totally loved her eponymous TV show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:45:19am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:45:23am

re: #89 Birth Control Works

Contrary to what 45 and his administration may think, Federal employees are highly educated, independent, and don’t take shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:45:57am

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Sad news.

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Very. Rip

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:47:02am

California Senate leader:

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:47:10am

re: #88 Timothy Watson

If anyone wants to try stomaching this…

[Embedded content]

Did he bring his own cheering goon squad?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:47:31am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:49:39am

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

Copy/paste the URL in the time stamp, same as with a Tweet.

I thought it didn’t work —then I refreshed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:49:46am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:50:48am

re: #97 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

Contrary to what 45 and his administration may think, Federal employees are highly educated, independent, and don’t take shit.

Yes, we do recruit the very best.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:50:53am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep Lamar Smith says “get your news directly from the President. In fact, it might be the only way to get the unvarnished truth a perfectly polished turd.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:51:44am

oh, the hypocrisy…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:51:56am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:52:19am

re: #99 jaunte

I love this. Really, I do. People who say they are Federalists, that they don’t want a strong central government …don’t understand that the POTUS is not a king.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:53:24am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep @LamarSmithTX21 says “get your news directly from the President. In fact, it might be the only way to get the unvarnished truth.”

— Jake Tapper

Not even Fuax News can be trusted.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:55:10am

re: #108 Birth Control Works

I love this. Really, I do. People who say they are Federalists, that they don’t want a strong central government …don’t understand that the POTUS is not a king.

LOL remember when wingnuts would spam Twitter with memes of Obama being a “King” “Emperor” “Dictator” “Hitler”

I ‘member.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:55:18am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:55:35am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:56:14am

Fucking 2017 is a goddamned repeat of 2016 (and 2015). Forget slouching to fascism and icons dying. We’ve got icons dying and rushing headlong into fascism thanks to the GOP and Trump cabal of cronies.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:56:33am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

A while ago, I posted a series of Pages regarding the grab for shipping lane rights in the Arctic. Those wanting them were the Russia, China, the Koch bros …

Because Climate Change is a hoax, they are want to ship goods the shortest distance, over the now melting Arctic.

I did a Google

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:57:05am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

LOL remember when wingnuts would spam Twitter with memes of Obama being a “King” “Emperor” “Dictator” “Hitler”

I ‘member.

But somehow, he couldn’t close GITMO… .?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:58:10am

re: #113 lawhawk

Fucking 2017 is a goddamned repeat of 2016 (and 2015). Forget slouching to fascism and icons dying. We’ve got icons dying and rushing headlong into fascism thanks to the GOP and Trump cabal of cronies.

2016:
David Bowie, Prince, Carrie Fischer, etc. etc. etc.

2017:
Hold my beer & watch this

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:58:30am

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, the hypocrisy…

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Hypocrisy magnified.

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:58:57am

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has there ever been an impeachment where the formal charge was, quote, “Literally Everything”?

Fairly close:

1803 - John Pickering, Judge of the New Hampshire District Court impeached (and removed) for “drunkenness and unlawful rulings”

1804 - Associate Justice of the Supreme Court impeached (and acquitted) for “Political bias and arbitrary rulings, promoting a partisan political agenda on the bench”

1830 - James Peck, Judge of the Missouri District Court impeached (and acquitted) for “abuse of power”

1873 - Mark Delahay, Judge for the District of Kansas impeached (resigned) for “drunkenness”

1876 - Secretary of War William Belknap impeached (acquitted after resignation) for “graft/corruption”

Those are probably the best examples.

Also, interestingly, there was a judicial impeachment in 2010, that I don’t remember hearing about. Thomas Porteous was impeached and convicted for making false financial disclosures - there were actually four articles of impeachment that covered a variety of corruption charges, but the financial disclosures were the underlying cause on all of them.

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calochortus  Jan 25, 2017 • 11:59:59am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

That isn’t a good example of climate change (although other pics may well be.) The Aral Sea was intentionally drained through water diversion for agriculture. It is a fabulous example of what happens to the ecology of an entire region when you do that. (Spoiler-nothing good happens.)

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:01:02pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:02:17pm

re: #115 Birth Control Works

But somehow, he couldn’t close GITMO… .?

Or take away he guns.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:03:58pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:04:35pm

re: #122 Birth Control Works

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Yep that gets it.

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:06:27pm

re: #115 Birth Control Works

But somehow, he couldn’t close GITMO… .?

There was a way he could have closed GITMO, but it would have basically been a nuclear option… the treaty that allows the US to maintain the base at Guantanamo Bay says that it can only be terminated by mutual consent. The Cuban government has been on the record for about 60 years now, demanding the treaty be terminated (in fact, Castro apparently had a drawer full of uncashed checks from the American government for the base’s lease). If Obama really wanted to - and it would have caused a massive fight and possibly resulted in impeachment - he could have tried to withdraw from the treaty and as a result ordered the base closed.

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:06:39pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:08:19pm

re: #69 Kragar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

re: #125 Kragar

Yes, Trump’s spokesperson claims he sold his stock. They also claimed that this summer. You know what we’re missing? Any proof whatsoever.

If only there were some sort of documents he could release to demonstrate that he was telling the unadulterated truth…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:09:04pm

re: #122 Birth Control Works

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Waiting for when Black Lives Matter gets declared a terrorist group by the Sessions DOJ. The cop talk boards already call BLM a terror group.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:10:09pm

re: #126 GlutenFreeJesus

The Democrats any of you who vote in favor of anything Trump: Consider this a notice that you’ll be unemployed after midterms.

Why? 2018 is going to be as much of a bloodbath for the Dems as any other mid-term election. I cannot see them turning things around that fast…baby 2022, but I do not want to sound overly optimistic…

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:10:23pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:11:59pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:12:13pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fact that there is even one Democrat rolling over and voting in favor of Trump’s cabinet picks should worry us all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:12:47pm

Trump’s whole Presidency is going to be executive orders.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:12:55pm

re: #128 Scottish Dragon

Waiting for when Black Lives Matter gets declared a terrorist group by the Sessions DOJ. The cop talk boards already call BLM a terror group.

I haven’t seen any Black Lives Matter people totin’ firearms.

This is all what I call “Fear of Slave Revolt”.

From Sumeria to the present, slaves could not defend their body, or carry weapons without express conscent from their owners.

All firearm laws are directed at preventing minorities and poor people from legal ownership or use of firearms.

Use of the law, voting, peaceful demonstrations by minorities and the poor in their own defense just puts the Racists in a rage.

And the Racists are now in the Oval Office.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:14:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:14:39pm

re: #134 Birth Control Works

I haven’t seen any Black Lives Matter people totin’ firearms.

This is all what I call “Fear of Slave Revolt”.

From Sumeria to the present, slaves could not defend their body, or carry weapons without express conscent from their owners.

All firearm laws are directed at preventing minorities and poor people from legal ownership or use of firearms.

Use of the law, voting, peaceful demonstrations by minorities and the poor in their own defense just puts the Racists in a rage.

And the Racists are now in the Oval Office.

You’re being reasonable. The cops being spoken of think any criticism of the police is a violent threat to them.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:15:47pm

Please, Maggie Haberman, tell me you were being sarcastic or snarky when you wrote this paragraph:

But his meetings now begin at 9 a.m., earlier than they used to, which significantly curtails his television time. Still, Mr. Trump, who does not read books, is able to end his evenings with plenty of television.

nytimes.com

Sadly, probably not, as the rest of her interview is a nauseating love letter. Why would a political reporter waste her time talking about what Trump had for breakfast, who he dined with and what he thinks of White House decor? (I guess I could say assumes evidence that Maggie is a political reporter when none has been offered of late.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:16:42pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:17:20pm

Obama: Miss me yet?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:17:36pm

My PhotoShop Creative Cloud dissappeared and now I can’t redownload it.

AHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:18:00pm

O_o

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:18:19pm
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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:18:36pm

re: #135 Citizen K

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Does Pence just follow him from room to room all day?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:18:37pm

re: #140 Birth Control Works

My PhotoShop Creative Cloud dissappeared and now I can’t redownload it.

AHHHHHHH!!!!!

What? Oh that sucks. Not supposed to happen like that.

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Jack Burton  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:19:06pm

re: #140 Birth Control Works

My PhotoShop Creative Cloud dissappeared and now I can’t redownload it.

AHHHHHHH!!!!!

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:19:07pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

[loophole in POTUS order on sanctuary cities: “jurisdictions that fail to comply do not receive Federal funds, EXCEPT AS MANDATED BY LAW”]

Isn’t every federal expenditure ‘mandated by law’?

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:19:21pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why? 2018 is going to be as much of a bloodbath for the Dems as any other mid-term election. I cannot see them turning things around that fast…baby 2022, but I do not want to sound overly optimistic…

Montana, North Dakota, and Indiana could very likely move back into the GOP column in 2018. But Nevada and, I think, Arizona could be Democratic pick ups. Flake in Arizona is likely going to see a primary challenge, and Heller remains a Republican worth watching as Nevada has been something of a swing state of late. West (by Gawd) Virginia is an interesting one because Manchin won with 61% of the vote in 2012, so that might be a hold despite how the state votes in presidential elections. Ohio and Florida (and maybe Pennsylvania) could be toss up elections, but the Democrat will have the incumbent’s advantage.

And all of this depends on Trump being a normal president. If/when (what’s left of) his popularity craters, he could easily take the GOP down with him. At least, hopefully.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:19:32pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:20:02pm

I can’t catch up but just read thatTiffany Trump & Steve Mnuchin are both registered to vote in 2 states.

Shitshow

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:20:13pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Figures that Trump would issue EOs that are inconsistent, incoherent, and don’t make any sense or are consistent with existing law/rulings/status.

That he’s calling for cuts to the ICC that we aren’t currently funding shows how disconnected these nuts are from reality. They’re engaging in a bunch of sham EOs that purport to do stuff that the base demands.

Meanwhile, the Administration still hasn’t issued disaster declarations despite states pleading for the assistance. Not without irony, the states demanding assistance are GOP controlled states that have repeatedly sent legislators to Congress demanding offsets when blue states seek aid after natural disasters. That they’re now waiting because the incompetent administration can’t be bothered with the basics of governance and protecting the General Welfare (well, that’s articles of impeachment that write themselves).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:21:41pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:21:44pm

re: #146 wrenchwench

No there is a difference between say SS payments “mandated” and public transportation grants.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:22:31pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Mnuchin too?

Thought it was just Tiffany Trump and Steve Bannon. Guess those investigations better start with Trump’s cabal of cronies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:22:43pm

re: #147 KGxvi

And all of this depends on Trump being a normal president. If/when (what’s left of) his popularity craters, he could easily take the GOP down with him. At least, hopefully.

I suspect he is going to be able to pull off a lot of economic sleight-of-hand that will make him look good and make him very popular, and that the cracks might not start showing before 2018…and even when they show, they will have to be so massive and egregious that no amount of alternativity can rhetoric them away.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:22:43pm

re: #152 Unshaken Defiance

No there is a difference between say SS payments “mandated” and public transportation grants.

I knew there would be a hitch. There go our roads….

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:22:47pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:23:05pm

re: #145 Jack Burton

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The other day I was explaining the cloud to a crusty, old time, old school academic type. His response: “that’s called a server.”

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The_Burren  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:23:21pm

So who wants to bet Trump will start putting the US military along the border?

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:23:25pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

We normally call that a police office.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:23:47pm

Does anyone remember the blackmail the Feds used to back the 55 mph speed limit? We learned the feds can open or close the dollar faucet on a Presidential or congressional whim.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:24:47pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

What could go wrong?

/

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:24:51pm

re: #156 Citizen K

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So much for ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Unless you can be assumed innocent by the color of your skin.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:24:53pm

re: #156 Citizen K

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But remember, folks, “it can’t happen here.”

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:25:19pm
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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:26:27pm

re: #160 Unshaken Defiance

Does anyone remember the blackmail the Feds used to back the 55 mph speed limit? We learned the feds can open or close the dollar faucet on a Presidential or congressional whim.

If it’s done by congress, it’s call the law, that process described in the constitution.

Edit: And yes, the threat of withholding funds has been used multiple times: speed limits, seat belts, drinking age.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:26:37pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

So much for ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Unless you can be assumed innocent by the color of your skin.

That’s just the thing. We all know that ‘innocent until proven guilty’ was never really the operating procedure toward non-whites. This is just nationalizing it in a dark, dark way.

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:27:00pm
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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:27:43pm

re: #164 Kragar

This really deserves to be spun on wingnut websites as “Trump wants National ID Cards!!11!”

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:28:17pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

But remember, folks, “it can’t happen here.”


It Can’t Happen Here
by Sinclair Lewis 1939

short, easy, horrifying read

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:28:38pm

re: #168 KGxvi

This really deserves to be spun on wingnut websites as “Trump wants National ID Cards!!11!”

That sounds like ratfucking…

I’m in.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:28:45pm

re: #167 Kragar

@SuperGirlTheCW please tone down the homosexual messages. Used to watch this with my daughter’s now I have to explain to a 7 and 10 y.o. thx

— Taron Young

Someone else needs a safe space.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:29:56pm
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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:30:37pm

re: #167 Kragar

I love that response. Also, can’t wait for this season of the CW/DC shows to end so they end up on Netflix for a nice two week long binge (although with four shows it might take three weeks, I suppose).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:30:42pm

sigh…

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:31:40pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

The governor of New York should respond “Nope, we just know exactly who you are.”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:32:07pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ratified treaties carry the force of law. Yo cannot just abrogate them…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:32:08pm

hahahahaaaaa

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:32:26pm

re: #175 Belafon

The governor of New York should respond “Nope, we just know exactly who you are.”

Jerry Brown basically gave Trump the middle finger during his State of the State speech the other day.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:32:43pm

re: #172 Citizen K

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I’m old enough to member when Mattis told him it didn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:32:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:33:27pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaaaa

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Sly like a fox.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:34:09pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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Inevitable end-point: “Any blue state we lost was due to illegal votes!”

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:34:34pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaaaa

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The humor is dryer in the shade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:34:44pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:34:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:34:51pm

re: #130 Timothy Watson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:35:02pm

re: #160 Unshaken Defiance

Does anyone remember the blackmail the Feds used to back the 55 mph speed limit? We learned the feds can open or close the dollar faucet on a Presidential or congressional whim.

and the 21-year drinking age

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:35:33pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

You’re being reasonable. The cops being spoken of think any criticism of the police is a violent threat to them.

The next BLM march or one very soon will be made an example of, IMHO. Terrorism charges, enhanced interrogation, you name it. The usual suspects in the fever swamps will be cheering loud enough to register on seismographs.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:35:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:35:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:04pm

Our president not simply relitigating the election, he’s working to ensure that his reelection truly will be a landslide because nobody but his supporters will be able to vote.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:13pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:31pm

re: #169 Birth Control Works


It Can’t Happen Here
by Sinclair Lewis 1939

short, easy, horrifying read

They had us read that in our Junior HS history class. It should be mandatory reading for all US school students, but I fear that it will soon be put on the Index of Banned Books…

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:47pm

Tomi Lahren related, but feel free to share:

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:47pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:36:49pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:37:47pm

re: #194 electrotek

Tomi Lahren related, but feel free to share:

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I don’t know who she is and WTF does her statement mean. I can’t make heads or tails of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:17pm

re: #188 Scottish Dragon

The next BLM march or one very soon will be made an example of, IMHO. Terrorism charges, enhanced interrogation, you name it. The usual suspects in the fever swamps will be cheering loud enough to register on seismographs.

They now feel they have the Pres’s blessing. Scary.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:23pm

re: #167 Kragar

I went over to Taron Young’s original comment on his/her feed. This person is insisting that they’re not homophobic, think of the kids, something something something.

My religious wingnut translator isn’t working today. I cannot honestly make heads or tails of what they’re trying to say. Someone rips on them and the comment is “Ok you get it” while another person gets “Don’t be close minded about me shielding my kids from teh Gayzors.”

Christ, the fucking people in this country, sometimes…

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:27pm

Trump is the POTUS from Escape from New York, isn’t he?

This whole deal is becoming clearer and clearer. Too bad Snake Plissken is dead.

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Franklin  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:40pm

re: #195 Birth Control Works

Russian Law Easing Penalties On Domestic Violence Sails Through Parliament- this is an insane step backwards

If it’s so bad in Russia, why don’t they move to America Canada?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:42pm
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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:38:42pm

re: #197 Birth Control Works

I don’t know who she is and WTF does her statement mean. I can’t make heads or tails of it.

Who’s? Tomi or the levantina chick?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:39:05pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:39:16pm

re: #197 Birth Control Works

I don’t know who she is and WTF does her statement mean. I can’t make heads or tails of it.

That those Syrian children who fled here are cowards for not standing up and fighting.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:39:41pm

re: #200 b.d.

Trump’s the Duke of New York, not Donald Pleasance’s president (who has that odd British accent).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:39:58pm

re: #194 electrotek

Tomi Lahren related, but feel free to share:

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Considering a lot of Americans ourselves are descended from people who fled violence, Toni shouldn’t talk. Oh and there’s the fact we haven’t had a honest to God war on our soil in generations.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:40:23pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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The pogroms will be next.

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:40:31pm

Imgur


oatmeal coconut chocolate chip pecan cookies, still warm

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:40:42pm

How about a baby Polar Bear

Es ist ein Junge! - It´s a boy!

(turn sound down)

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:40:59pm

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That those Syrian children who fled here are cowards for not standing up and fighting.

This. She’s trying to shame the refugees for escaping and telling them they’re the reason why the situation is like it is in Syrian in the first place: because they’re cowards who won’t fight for their country.

Because the idiot knows what it’s like to fight an actual regime hellbent on rolling over you militarily….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:40:59pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Considering a lot of Americans ourselves are descended from people who fled violence, Toni shouldn’t talk. Oh and there’s the fact we haven’t had a honest to God war on our soil in generations.

How quickly you forgot War On Christmas, you heathen….

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:41:04pm

re: #209 jeffreyw

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oatmeal coconut chocolate chip pecan cookies, still warm

drool

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:41:13pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

What’d you expect from a President, and the fucknuts supporting him, think that the TV series “24” is a documentary?

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KGxvi  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:41:22pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Let’s say he re-institutes torture, and has the gall to call it torture. Is there a country with the… gumption… to arrest him on a foreign trip? And what the hell would happen then?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:41:53pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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It sounded better in the original German: “Verschärfte Vernehmung”

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:42:08pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Considering a lot of Americans ourselves are descended from people who fled violence, Toni shouldn’t talk. Oh and there’s the fact we haven’t had a honest to God war on our soil in generations.

White people freaked out when black people moved in on their own turf and instead of taking Tomi Lahren’s advice, they packed up and jumped ship to the ‘burbs.

People who took part of ‘white flight’ have no fucking ground to stand on when it comes to lecturing others on staying put and fight.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:42:42pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:42:49pm

re: #216 Scottish Dragon

It sounded better in the original German: “Verschärfte Vernehmung”

re-translated: “Ve haff vayss of making you talk!!!”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:42:59pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Let’s say he re-institutes torture, and has the gall to call it torture. Is there a country with the… gumption… to arrest him on a foreign trip? And what the hell would happen then?

They wouldn’t do that, but they could deny him entry.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:43:05pm

re: #217 electrotek

White people freaked out when black people moved in on their own turf and instead of taking Tomi Lahren’s advice, they packed up and jumped ship to the ‘burbs.

People who took part of ‘white flight’ have no fucking ground to stand on when it comes to lecturing others on staying put and fight.

And now they’re also terrified that some of the black people managed to make enough money to move out to the burbs too.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:43:09pm

re: #214 Mattand

What’d you expect from a President, and the fucknuts supporting him, think that the TV series “24” is a documentary Bill O’Reilly is a valid news source.?

FTFY

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:43:48pm

re: #217 electrotek

White people freaked out when black people moved in on their own turf and instead of taking Tomi Lahren’s advice, they packed up and jumped ship to the ‘burbs.

People who took part of ‘white flight’ have no fucking ground to stand on when it comes to lecturing others on staying put and fight.

To be fair, black people wanting jobs and better neighborhoods are infinitely scarier than carpet bombing and indiscriminate military crackdowns. ////////////////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:43:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:44:14pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

How quickly you forgot War On Christmas, you heathen….

I lost my best friend at Gum Drop Gulch!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:44:16pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

What?! We have a war on our soil every year for a month in December.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:44:17pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And this “investigation” will no doubt find just enough “questionable votes” to declare that Trump was really the winner of the popular vote, and the way forward is further “voter ID” laws intended to prevent blue states like California and New York from future efforts to “delegitimize” Herr Hairpiece’s presidency. Laws that will be passed just in time for the midterms.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:44:55pm

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re-translated: “Ve haff vayss of making you talk!!!”

The eye is a very delicate organ, Miss Delgado…

Japanese officer, Back to Bataan, 1945.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:45:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:45:21pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:45:23pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Let’s say he re-institutes torture, and has the gall to call it torture. Is there a country with the… gumption… to arrest him on a foreign trip? And what the hell would happen then?

Millions the world over would rejoice.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:45:29pm

re: #217 electrotek

White people freaked out when black people moved in on their own turf and instead of taking Tomi Lahren’s advice, they packed up and jumped ship to the ‘burbs.

People who took part of ‘white flight’ have no fucking ground to stand on when it comes to lecturing others on staying put and fight.

They also tell black people to get over Jim Crow while seeing the CSA flag as Heritage.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:45:57pm

I’ll think I”ll binge watch all the Marvel TV shows and movies.

They make much more sense than reality.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:48:31pm

re: #233 Birth Control Works

So does Battlefield Earth.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:48:54pm

re: #231 GlutenFreeJesus

Millions the world over would rejoice.

Every American soldier for the next 100 years can expect to be gang raped/sodomized, electrocuted, water boarded and have sections of skin flayed off if captured alive.

This is what happens when you brag you will torture people.

They tend to take it kind of personally and respond in kind.

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:50:08pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

They also tell black people to get over Jim Crow while seeing the CSA flag as Heritage.

Yet they won’t themselves shut the fuck up about the Crusades or the loss of Constantinople or the Siege of Vienna.

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:51:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:51:10pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:51:35pm

From a Friends-only post on Facebook:

I miss a few years ago when if someone put alt before something they were complaining about it was likely about hipster bullshit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:52:25pm

Unconfirmed reports suggest Trump considering changing national motto to:

“In God We Trust…Fuck science!”

//

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:54:04pm

Trump and the GOP are doing this and the Democrats are just like *shrug*:

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:56:41pm

When all else fails, RESTART the computer.

Creative Cloud now worky.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:57:09pm

re: #194 electrotek

Tomi Lahren related, but feel free to share:

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We’re A NATION OF REFUGEES, you idiot! Founded by people escaping religious persecution - Pilgrims, Puritans, Quakers, Catholics, Anabaptists. Fortified by people fleeing tyranny, starvation, war, and repression.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:57:23pm

re: #241 lawhawk

Trump and the GOP are doing this and the Democrats are just like *shrug*:

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America is a Business …

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:57:32pm

re: #242 Birth Control Works

When all else fails, RESTART the computer.

Words to live by for any computer-related problem. Basic troubleshooting, that.

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DuckDharma  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:57:49pm
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Kragar  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:58:07pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 12:58:16pm

re: #234 GlutenFreeJesus

So does Battlefield Earth.

I’ve never watched that —I try to avoid Travolta.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:01:21pm

re: #196 Timothy Watson

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:01:35pm

re: #247 Kragar

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This comforts little. And it’s an excuse to take it less seriously than it should be taken, because even as rhetoric, it’s abhorrent, dangerous, and damaging. These are warning sirens that we should be addressing, loudly and repeatedly. There should be know chidings of ‘crying wolf’ when shit this serious is being taken. Otherwise it’s more of the ‘seriously, not literally’ bullshit that allows him to get away with this crap.

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KingKenrod  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:02:29pm

re: #247 Kragar

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It’s almost certainly true, and many of these EO’s, if acted on, wouldn’t pass basic constitutional scrutiny. However, it would be wrong to ignore them because many are trial balloons and Congress needs to see how much backlash is building.

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:02:32pm

lol:

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mmmirele  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:05:16pm

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:05:29pm

Yet today, they are more likely to be one in the same.

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ElaineBenis  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:05:30pm

re: #169 Birth Control Works


It Can’t Happen Here
by Sinclair Lewis 1939

short, easy, horrifying read

I’m reading that right now and expect to have an ulcer by the time I’m finished.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:05:44pm

Maggie Haberman’s latest tweet storm is some seriously scary shit about thin skinned Trump who is easily rattled, can’t handle pressure, and lashes out at perceived slights, especially when sleep deprived.

What the hell was he thinking being president is about?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:07:08pm

re: #253 mmmirele

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:07:51pm

re: #248 Birth Control Works

I’ve never watched that —I try to avoid Travolta.

Smart move, especially when it comes to that movie.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:08:49pm

re: #256 lawhawk

Maggie Haberman’s latest tweet storm is some seriously scary shit about thin skinned Trump who is easily rattled, can’t handle pressure, and lashes out at perceived slights, especially when sleep deprived.

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What the hell was he thinking being president is about?

I think he really thinks he’s smarter than Obama and figured if Obama, he could. Lovely. Our nation being run by an egotistical jackass who didn’t read the job description before running. That would get the rest of us fired but Trump isn’t going anywhere for now.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:08:52pm

re: #246 DuckDharma

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Russia and China must be reading the newspaper every day with bigger and bigger grins.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:09:48pm

The irony is America just may be the hellhole he’s made out to be when he leaves it.

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:10:16pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

I think he really thinks he’s smarter than Obama and figured if Obama, he could. Lovely. Our nation being run by an egotistical jackass who didn’t read the job description before running. That would get the rest of us fired but Trump isn’t going anywhere for now.

And I don’t think he thought he might win until Rinsed Prius joined him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:11:54pm

re: #262 wrenchwench

And I don’t think he thought he might win until Rinsed Prius joined him.

Preibus needs to be tied with Trump forever.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:12:06pm

re: #253 mmmirele

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:12:38pm

The GOP can’t be allowed to act like he was a “mistake” they did in an Anti Obama rage.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:12:54pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Well, looks like he joins Tiffany Trump, Bannon, and Mnuchin in the cabal of cronies who are registered to vote in two different places:

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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:13:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:14:34pm

re: #266 lawhawk

Well, looks like he joins Tiffany Trump, Bannon, and Mnuchin in the cabal of cronies who are registered to vote in two different places:

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Oh my.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:15:20pm

He hasn’t even been President a week. Yep this is why I wasn’t going to give him a chance.

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ericblair  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:16:26pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

And this “investigation” will no doubt find just enough “questionable votes” to declare that Trump was really the winner of the popular vote, and the way forward is further “voter ID” laws intended to prevent blue states like California and New York from future efforts to “delegitimize” Herr Hairpiece’s presidency. Laws that will be passed just in time for the midterms.

No, he honestly believes this shit is true. There is no clever underhanded gambit here. You can safely assume there never is. If there is a big investigation, it will be conducted by the state SoS offices, who, like always, will find a handful of double votes by Republicans with two houses and nothing else. It will benefit us more than him, because now he’s discrediting his own election.

This is what his term will be like. It’s all about ratings and popularity and he will not let stupid stuff like this go, ever. It’s not to distract us from the other shit he is doing because he is distracting himself.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:16:27pm

re: #165 Belafon

If it’s done by congress, it’s call the law, that process described in the constitution.

Edit: And yes, the threat of withholding funds has been used multiple times: speed limits, seat belts, drinking age.

With varying levels of wisdom. Look out this time, it’s not going to be sensible like seat belts. When it’s really the law, they usually don’t need threats to grants. They could not pas a 55 mph limit at least not outside of DC. So they held money over our heads. That’s why we called it blackmail. “We can’t really force this under the law but do it or else”. Seatbelts? Hard to argue. immigration policy? Fuck this guy. All we are doing here is being more humane than he likes.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:16:31pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:17:33pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Preibus needs to be tied with Trump forever.

That whole fucking piece of shit GOP needs to be tied to trump until the sun explodes.

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unproven innocence  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:18:04pm

re: #256 lawhawk

Maggie Haberman’s latest tweet storm is some seriously scary shit about thin skinned Trump who is easily rattled, can’t handle pressure, and lashes out at perceived slights, especially when sleep deprived.

I remember seeing a video from several years ago, in which DJT was bragging about how little sleep he required each night, like 3 or so hours, sometimes less. Think he was a guest on a TV show.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:18:18pm

re: #273 Jebediah, RBG

That whole fucking piece of shit GOP needs to be tied to trump until the sun explodes.

Absolutely.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:18:20pm

re: #272 lawhawk

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Amazing how quickly the GOP finds the country’s credit card when they want to go on a spending spree.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:18:42pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

BREAKING: President Trump says intelligence officials have told him torture “absolutely” works

— CNN Politics

Let’s say that it does work. What are the limits that a civilized, “Judeo-Christian” society would place on it? IOW, what are the moral considerations involved in its use? Is the nation’s own well-being a good enough reason in all situations? How is this different from “situational ethics” and “moral relativism” (torture’s OK as long as we do it). Is it OK for other nations or groups of people to torture enemies and perceived threats? What evidence is needed to allow torture?

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allegro  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:21:02pm

Current mood:

Turn out the lights. I don’t wanna see anymore.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:22:13pm

As I wrote about this study in Oct 2014:

Much hay will be made from a few blades of grass

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:22:58pm

Whoever thought we’d miss the days when a snobby dick like Romney was the GOP’s guy?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:23:00pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

Consider the question from Trump’s abuser perspective.
Truth is malleable, truth is whatever makes Trump feel good.
If torture makes people say things to make Trump feel good,
then it “works.”

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:23:06pm

re: #253 mmmirele

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:23:11pm

re: #270 ericblair

No, he honestly believes this shit is true. There is no clever underhanded gambit here. You can safely assume there never is. If there is a big investigation, it will be conducted by the state SoS offices, who, like always, will find a handful of double votes by Republicans with two houses and nothing else. It will benefit us more than him, because now he’s discrediting his own election.

This is what his term will be like. It’s all about ratings and popularity and he will not let stupid stuff like this go, ever. It’s not to distract us from the other shit he is doing because he is distracting himself.

I have to say, I find that to be rather wishful thinking because it assumes that Congressional Republicans will allow this opportunity to pass. They won’t, they are eager to further grow their power and the midterms are about the best chance of doing that for the next 4 years. There are enough Dem seats up for grabs in 2018 that the GOP could theoretically attain a filibuster-proof majority. That is an opportunity that they are not going to let pass them by.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:23:35pm

re: #272 lawhawk

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:24:28pm

Usually I relish in being able to say “I told you so”, but that relish has soured on me lately.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:24:41pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:24:53pm

re: #277 Sir John Barron

Let’s say that it does work. What are the limits that a civilized, “Judeo-Christian” society would place on it? IOW, what are the moral considerations involved in its use? Is the nation’s own well-being a good enough reason in all situations? How is this different from “situational ethics” and “moral relativism” (torture’s OK as long as we do it). Is it OK for other nations or groups of people to torture enemies and perceived threats? What evidence is needed to allow torture?

The same evidence that would make ‘Let’s say it does work’ true. It doesn’t work, pretty much by definition. If it is torture, it has all those bad effects of encouraging your enemies, discouraging your allies, etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:25:00pm

re: #274 unproven innocence

I remember seeing a video from several years ago, in which DJT was bragging about how little sleep he required each night, like 3 or so hours, sometimes less. Think he was a guest on a TV show.

Early to rise and late to bed
Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead.
- Not Ben Franklin.

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Scout  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:25:30pm

From the Philip Roth interview in the New Yorker:

“I found much that was alarming about being a citizen during the tenures of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. But, whatever I may have seen as their limitations of character or intellect, neither was anything like as humanly impoverished as Trump is: ignorant of government, of history, of science, of philosophy, of art, incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:26:14pm

re: #286 Dr. Matt

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unproven innocence  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:27:31pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

He’s Alex Jones.

In a suit.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:30:05pm

re: #274 unproven innocence

I remember seeing a video from several years ago, in which DJT was bragging about how little sleep he required each night, like 3 or so hours, sometimes less. Think he was a guest on a TV show.

cocaine is helluva drug

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:31:09pm

re: #291 unproven innocence

With an ill-fitting tie.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:31:15pm

The subtweeting is reaching record levels.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:32:26pm

re: #293 lawhawk

With an ill-fitting tie.

…and pants and coat and shirt. Hell, his shoes are probably two sizes too big.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:32:39pm

re: #294 jaunte

The subtweeting is reaching record levels.

While some prefer to be more direct:

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:33:07pm

“The federal debt is out of control! It’s exploding! That’s debt we’re going to leave to our grandkids!”

“Republicans have won the White House.”

“We need new tax cuts! New healthcare! New defense spending! New immigration spending! We need all sorts of spending! THE SPENDING WILL PAY FOR ITSELF!!!”

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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:34:17pm

re: #292 Dr. Matt

cocaine is helluva drug

I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

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ericblair  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:34:30pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

I have to say, I find that to be rather wishful thinking because it assumes that Congressional Republicans will allow this opportunity to pass. They won’t, they are eager to further grow their power and the midterms are about the best chance of doing that for the next 4 years. There are enough Dem seats up for grabs in 2018 that the GOP could theoretically attain a filibuster-proof majority. That is an opportunity that they are not going to let pass them by.

Of course voter suppression needs to be fought as the highest priority, and the Republicans will try to take advantage of it. I believe Obama is on the case when he gets back from a well-earned rest. But this investigation is not a grand plot, it’s something Trump pulled out of his ass and dumped on the nation.

Demanding investigations is stupid for the Republicans, and the Ohio SoS (R) has already pushed back on it. Any self-aware Republican would know that even if they didn’t commit any offences, they have no way of knowing if the local Repubs helped things along a bit because that’s the culture that they’ve created. Trump “won”, but he just can’t stand that he lost the popular vote and he can’t leave it alone.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:34:51pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why? 2018 is going to be as much of a bloodbath for the Dems as any other mid-term election. I cannot see them turning things around that fast…baby 2022, but I do not want to sound overly optimistic…

It is flat out false that Dems lose in every midterm election. Please stop with the FUD.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:36:50pm

re: #300 EmmaAnne

It is flat out false that Dems lose in every midterm election. Please stop with the FUD.

Yep, see 2006.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:36:54pm

re: #300 EmmaAnne

It is flat out false that Dems lose in every midterm election. Please stop with the FUD.

We might have an advantage as the out of power party but it’s not gonna be easy with so many Dems up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:37:06pm

re: #301 Belafon

Yep, see 2006.

1998z

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:37:10pm
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:38:39pm

His followers are getting more unstable too.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:38:47pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:38:59pm

John Scalzi:

I noted a couple of years ago that Straight White Male is the lowest difficulty setting in the game called life (in particular the Western civilization variant of it). This annoyed many a straight white male, who didn’t see his life as being particularly “easy.” Noting that “lowest difficulty” is not the same as “easy” did not assuage this agitation. And well, I can understand it: If you genuinely think your life sucks — and it may! — it may be hard to imagine that you still get advantages other folks don’t.

So maybe this will help: A 25-year study followed the experience of nearly 800 children in Baltimore, from first grade into adulthood. Half their families were low income, many with parents who had not finished high school; 40% of those low-income kids were white.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:39:01pm

en.wikipedia.org

Usually the party out of (presidential) power gains seats in the midterms. But Dems gained seats after Clinton’s impeachment, because of Repub overreach.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:40:01pm

re: #308 EmmaAnne

en.wikipedia.org

Usually the party out of (presidential) power gains seats in the midterms. But Dems gained seats after Clinton’s impeachment, because of Repub overreach.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:40:43pm

1982 was a good year too. I’m not saying it’s automatic but not giving up either.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:41:16pm
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:42:12pm

Chaotic swirling Jupiter, oddly calming.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:42:25pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

By day 100, Trump will be on tranquilizers and other meds (or flat out replaced because he’s declared medically incompetent to be president). That’s the implication.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:42:44pm

re: #312 jaunte

Chaotic swirling Jupiter, oddly calming.

Take me in your toxic embrace….

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:43:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:44:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:44:16pm

re: #315 Stanley Sea

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Primary her ass.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:44:43pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:44:54pm

re: #313 lawhawk

By day 100, Trump will be on tranquilizers and other meds (or flat out replaced because he’s declared medically incompetent to be president). That’s the implication.

Melania quietly running the country while Donald lays in bed tweeting on a disconnected phone

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:46:02pm

re: #315 Stanley Sea

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Tulsi, the new Kucinich

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:47:08pm

re: #320 b.d.

Tulsi, the new Kucinich

To think I was once a Kucinich fan. Man we do dumb stuff as kids.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:47:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:47:42pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:47:46pm

re: #300 EmmaAnne

It’s been false up until now. But now there’s a huge difference. The contingency of Bernie or busters who wanted Trump to win so they could have their “Revolution”. Count the Stein/Johnson votes. Pretty significant IMO. While not all made up of Bernie or busters, many are of the “Both sides of the same coin” faction. Some 6 million plus IIRC.

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:48:15pm

re: #315 Stanley Sea

How will Berniebros argue against this one?

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:48:22pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

To think I was once a Kucinich fan. Man we do dumb stuff as kids.

Man he really changed a lot of conservative minds when he signed on with FoxNews

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:48:31pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

What could go wrong?

//

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ericblair  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:49:08pm

re: #313 lawhawk

By day 100, Trump will be on tranquilizers and other meds (or flat out replaced because he’s declared medically incompetent to be president). That’s the implication.

We’re less than a week in, and nobody could have predicted the insane multi-day bullshit about inauguration crowds that has already happened. We can’t possibly talk sensibly about 2018, and I don’t know if we can talk about 100 days from now.

It’s like predicting what will happen to a driver who’s had half a bottle of scotch and four lines of coke: I don’t know whether he’ll hit a tree, a pedestrian, another car, whether he’ll crash backwards through his garage, or whether he’ll smash his head on the car door and knock himself out. All I know is that he’s not going to get where he wants to go and he’s going to destroy a lot of things and people that didn’t need to be destroyed, and the responsible people are going to have to clean it all up.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:49:38pm

This must be what stupid tastes like

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:50:05pm

re: #326 b.d.

Man he really changed a lot of conservative minds when he signed on with FoxNews

Ha! What’s he up to these days anyhow? I bet he is on board with a lot of Trump’s “populism.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:50:25pm

re: #325 electrotek

How will Berniebros argue against this one?

But Hillary!

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:50:28pm

re: #325 electrotek

Tomi Lahre

How will Berniebros argue against this one?

“ISIS was created by the CIA to overthrown a legitimate leader! The entire war there is a false flag! Russia has the right idea!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:51:12pm

re: #329 Citizen K

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God conservatives are some painfully stupid people.

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:51:30pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

But Killary!

Fixed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:51:57pm

re: #334 electrotek

Fixed.

Touché

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:51:58pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Ha! What’s he up to these days anyhow? I bet he is on board with a lot of Trump’s “populism.”

No way!

wait……oh well…

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Lidane  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:53:48pm

This scares the absolute shit out of me:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:53:55pm

re: #336 b.d.

No way!

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wait……oh well…

Jesus. To think I once admired him.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:56:29pm

re: #337 Lidane

This scares the absolute shit out of me:

Will the administration also publish the names of former Obamacare recipients who died after the ACA is repealed?

/

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:58:41pm

re: #337 Lidane

This scares the absolute shit out of me:

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So they’ll make waving the bloody shirt a weekly event.

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Lidane  Jan 25, 2017 • 1:59:33pm

Also, fuck this administration sideways:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:00:36pm

re: #337 Lidane

This scares the absolute shit out of me:

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So much for due process.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:01:21pm

re: #341 Lidane

Also, fuck this administration sideways:

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Fucked up.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:01:34pm

re: #341 Lidane

Also, fuck this administration sideways:

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Der Kommissar’s in town.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:01:46pm

re: #340 Targetpractice

So they’ll make waving the bloody shirt a weekly event.

Gotta keep the base hateful and fearful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:07:24pm

apparently, CNN is claiming the inauguration crowd was really huge:

This Picture Should Put the Crowd Controversy To Rest

CNN released an enormous photo of the inauguration called a Gigapixel. You can look at all different angles of the photo like a 360 degree photo and zoom in on the photo with incredible detail. You can even look back at the crowd size, all the way back to the base of the Washington monument, which is 1.5 miles long. SEE THE GIGAPIXEL

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:08:42pm

Even Jennifer Rubin hasn’t caught on the Trump train

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:08:52pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently, CNN is claiming the inauguration crowd was really huge:

This Picture Should Put the Crowd Controversy To Rest

So CNN went in a matter of days from “Trump is lying about his inauguration numbers” to “This picture proves Trump was right.”

FFS.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:10:11pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re already fudging a measurement.

“Between the Capitol steps and the Lincoln Memorial, the Mall spans 1.9 miles (3.0 km). Between the Capitol steps and the Washington Monument, the Mall spans 1.2 miles”
en.wikipedia.org

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:12:50pm

So while Trump approves torture, investigations into non-existent “voter fraud” in the two biggest blue states, putting EPA scientists under the control of political handlers, this is what we’ll all keep focusing on for the next week.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:14:16pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently, CNN is claiming the inauguration crowd was really huge:

This Picture Should Put the Crowd Controversy To Rest

Looks like this “Bill Cunningham” from iheartradio is trying to claim something. Don’t know who this guy is, some wingnut radio carnival barker?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:14:26pm

Tentacles.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:15:12pm

re: #336 b.d.

No way!

wait……oh well…

LOLwhut?

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:15:33pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump’s whole Presidency is going to be executive orders.

Trump’s whole Presidency is going to be an executive orders mess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:16:24pm

re: #351 Sir John Barron

Looks like this “Bill Cunningham” from iheartradio is trying to claim something. Don’t know who this guy is, some wingnut radio carnival barker?

pretty much

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:16:43pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

“The federal debt is out of control! It’s exploding! That’s debt we’re going to leave to our grandkids!”

“Republicans have won the White House.”

“We need new tax cuts! New healthcare! New defense spending! New immigration spending! We need all sorts of spending! THE SPENDING WILL PAY FOR ITSELF!!!”

Their fiscal delusions are as bad as their ideological delusions.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:17:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:17:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:18:49pm

re: #357 jaunte

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What do they know. // Just like Martina Nartivilova knows nothing about life under communism. //

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:20:16pm

re: #140 Birth Control Works

My PhotoShop Creative Cloud dissappeared and now I can’t redownload it.

AHHHHHHH!!!!!

Which is exactly why I never use mine except to transfer to my tablet or something. And even then I keep the originals on my computer until I can burn it to a DVD.

I just do not trust anyone else to have my files…especially for any of my graphic art/design clients.

Too many bad lessons early on in dealing with computer files of my work, so I am a backup freak.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:20:55pm

75-Year-Old Texas Woman Flies Through Tornado in Bathtub, Lands in Woods Unharmed

In the Southern United States, the weather can be deadly, but it can also be surprisingly courteous, as an elderly Texas woman learned this weekend when a tornado picked up the bathtub she was hiding in, spun it in the air, and put her back down in the woods without injury.

According to KSLA, 75-year-old Charlesetta Williams was watching television with her son on Saturday when the twister approached her home. They then raced to the bathroom and hid under a blanket in the tub for shelter, a choice that proved to be wise.

“The tornado continued in a northeast direction, crossing CR 3300 at which point it removed the roof of a home,” wrote the National Weather Service in a (characteristically unimpressed) storm report. “A woman inside took shelter in a bathtub and the tornado lifted the tub out of the home and deposited it in the woods with the woman still in the tub but the woman was not injured.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:22:09pm

re: #361 Commenter #17

75-Year-Old Texas Woman Flies Through Tornado in Bathtub, Lands in Woods Unharmed

That’s a story worth retelling once things cool down.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:22:28pm

re: #337 Lidane

This matches the sort of “crime reports” the volkisch newspapers used to do.

This is further propaganda work. Pushing a narrative…notable that it includes crimes “maybe” by immigrants.

Between this, voter fraud, and “Chicago” we’re going to see a push to totally de-legitimize large chunks of population.

I’ve said before: this isn’t just about Trump, it’s about where Trump overlaps with the rest of the GOP. They’ll be perfectly fine with this kind of gaming, because they’ve been dreaming of a permanent majority. It’s not Donald Trump’s America, it’s Mitch McConnell’s.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:24:04pm

The dudebros who bitched up a storm about how Obama was “anti-transparency” are awful silent as Trump rather publicly muzzles any who do not agree with him and appoints handlers who are answerable only to him.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:26:07pm

re: #143 BeachDem

Does Pence just follow him from room to room all day?

I know a bunch of race fans from Indiana (Former CART INdyCar fans) and they to a person say Mike Pence is a dolt.

I guess he lets Gawd make all his decisions for him. You don’t need to be intelligent if you are a believer you know.

It really is baffling how we end up with Trump and Twit…err, Pence as a team.

Take back America from the ignorant…if we want a future!

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:27:13pm

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

I kept wondering who the hell this guy was, then found out he was Clinton’s campaign manager.

Great job of being visible and defending your candidate Robby. Maybe you ought to consider running to head the DNC. They like people like you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:27:26pm

re: #221 Timothy Watson

And now they’re also terrified that some of the black people managed to make enough money to move out to the burbs too.

There used to be a “Mason-Dixon Line” between Gary, Indiana and its neighboring (white) suburb of Merrillville, beyond which black people simply could not buy a home.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:28:22pm

re: #234 GlutenFreeJesus

So does Battlefield Earth.

So does the Book of Revelations at this point…

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:30:58pm

re: #341 Lidane

Also, fuck this administration sideways:

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I’m sure it won’t be long before every laboratory and university getting Federal Funding must submit all Climate Change material to go under review by the local Trump political officer.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:31:15pm

re: #168 KGxvi

This really deserves to be spun on wingnut websites as “Trump wants National ID Cards!!11!”

Add some extra spice to that. National ID cards and Trump wants to take away guns to make ‘merica safer. If there are no guns then Black and Brown gangs and terrorists can’t terrorize.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:32:01pm

re: #337 Lidane

This scares the absolute shit out of me:

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Based on accusations, or convictions?
Or have we given up entirely on “innocent until proven guilty?”

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:35:24pm

re: #372 Jebediah, RBG

Based on accusations, or convictions?
Or have we given up entirely on “innocent until proven guilty?”

We all know how it works. For wingnuts, non-Republicans are guilty by definition.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:36:40pm

re: #372 Jebediah, RBG

Based on accusations, or convictions?
Or have we given up entirely on “innocent until proven guilty?”

Based upon what I see in the comments of local news pages, yes we have. Also, people would really like to see public executions make a comeback.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:41:50pm

re: #374 Arkansawyer

Based upon what I see in the comments of local news pages, yes we have. Also, people would really like to see public executions make a comeback.

Jeesus christ. That kind of eagerness to embrace fucking barbarity is shocking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:42:52pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:43:04pm

re: #370 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I’m sure it won’t be long before every laboratory and university getting Federal Funding must submit all Climate Change material to go under review by the local Trump political officer.

Which means “straight into the trash”.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:43:14pm

re: #372 Jebediah, RBG

This could get to a place where it’s not even about innocent until guilty; there’s the more basic “did it happen, and did it actually involve an undocumented immigrant”—because consider who deemed the “real press” by this administration.

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:43:57pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Mexican government should break off diplomatic relations with the US until someone sane is in the White House.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:45:08pm

re: #378 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

This could get to a place where it’s not even about innocent until guilty; there’s the more basic “did it happen, and did it actually involve an undocumented immigrant”—because consider who deemed the “real press” by this administration.

Never underestimate the amount of violence that can be born from a simple rumor.

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:47:28pm

re: #379 William Lewis

The Mexican government should break off diplomatic relations with the US until someone sane is in the White House.

Wait til the 21st century version of Pancho Villa emerges.

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:49:51pm

re: #370 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I’m sure it won’t be long before every laboratory and university getting Federal Funding must submit all Climate Change material to go under review by the local Trump political officer.

Why stop at climate change? Look at all the damage these pointy headed intellectuals have done to great American businesses like cigarette makers, gasoline refiners who had to remove lead from their product, and coal burners who are going out of business because some people think polluted air is bad for you.

Every single good thing we take for granted is going to come under full political attack because regulations safeguarding our health are costing some CEOs that extra jet, vacation home(s), and yachts. That just isn’t fair, because we’re all going to die anyway. Why should our health impact the lifestyles of people like Donald Trump?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:50:21pm

re: #378 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

This could get to a place where it’s not even about innocent until guilty; there’s the more basic “did it happen, and did it actually involve an undocumented immigrant”—because consider who deemed the “real press” by this administration.

Right - and either way, a whole bunch of non-white folks - citizens or no - will bear the brunt of retaliatory thuggery from trumpkins looking for an excuse and a green light to be violent.

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Lidane  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:52:21pm

re: #379 William Lewis

The Mexican government should break off diplomatic relations with the US until someone sane is in the White House.

No, what they should do is immediately stop all trade with the US. They’re our third largest trading partner and a whole lot of companies here depend on companies in Mexico for parts, to say nothing of all the produce we import from them.

It won’t take long until companies here are begging Trump to reconsider the wall because their manufacturing has come to a total standstill.

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electrotek  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:53:19pm

re: #384 Lidane

No, what they should do is immediately stop all trade with the US. They’re our third largest trading partner and a whole lot of companies here depend on companies in Mexico for parts, to say nothing of all the produce we import from them.

It won’t take long until companies here are begging Trump to reconsider the wall because their manufacturing has come to a total standstill.

Would be absolutely devastating for gringos that live in Tijuana and commute to SD for work.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:54:43pm

re: #383 Jebediah, RBG

Well, there’s not going to be a whole lot of bread available to them, so it’s going to have to be circuses all the down.

(Unless all this fearmongering is accompanied by, say, an asset forfeiture feature…which I wouldn’t discount at this point.)

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:56:20pm

re: #386 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Public execution is the best circus in town, especially if it’s bloody and painful. Americans would happily pay for that kind of entertainment.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 25, 2017 • 2:58:42pm

re: #284 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s official. Deficits no longer matter. Again.

5000 new officers, let’s start there. Let’s say $60,000 per officer, inclusive health insurance, benefits, etc. . That’s $300,000,000 right there just for the personnel- this doesn’t include additional equipment, weapons, training, vehicles…. this is quickly adding up to a $1 Billion Executive Order.

I guess Magic Money is going to appear and no Deficit run up wil be required. Magic words. Magic Money. Magic Science.

We.are.fucked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:01:30pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:03:06pm

re: #388 Rocky-in-Connecticut

5000 new officers, let’s start there. Let’s say $60,000 per officer, inclusive health insurance, benefits, etc. . That’s $300,000,000 right there just for the personnel- this doesn’t include additional equipment, weapons, training, vehicles…. this is quickly adding up to a $1 Billion Executive Order.

I guess Magic Money is going to appear and no Deficit run up wil be required. Magic words. Magic Money. Magic Science.

We.are.fucked.

When the number of border agents on the southern border has already increased by 400% from 1992.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:03:43pm

This guy is such an ass. Sigh why America why. I mean fuck Putin and the Russian government for the hacks but we made it close enough where it could be hacked. Trump shouldn’t have even been nominated by a major party much less elected.

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:03:50pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:04:02pm

re: #390 Timothy Watson

When the number of border agents on the southern border has already increased by 400% from 1992.

But Obummer crippled our border. //

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darthstar  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:05:39pm
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Schroedinger's Dog  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:05:43pm

I believe that Democrats and progressives need a 21st Century GOPAC memo. If you don’t remember the GOPAC memo it was issued by Newt Gingrich back in the 90s to start controlling the language. It consisted of a list of adjectives to be used when describing opponents. If you are interested, take a look here: web.archive.org
Words to use when describing GOP policies and candidates:
abuse of power
anti-family
anti worker
betrayal of the middle class
Taking more from the middle class and giving it to the 1%
Borrow and Spend
Putting Things on the National Credit Card
kleptocracy
cheat
coercion
cruel
heartless
dishonest
hypocritical
self-dealing
running up the score
corrupt
corruption
crisis
cynical
destructive
devour your rights
devour the institutions that you’ve depended on
destroy the (economy, environment, middle class)
betray American values
endanger
excuses
fail to uphold our principles
greedy
hypocrisy
ideological
illogical
unscientific
force
incompetent
insecure
insensitive
intolerant
authoritarian
lie
pessimistic
punish (poor …)
self-serving
selfish
shallow
shame
sick
steal
taxes
they/them
traitors
Russian
threats
Owners (who owns the GOP)
despicable

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Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:05:57pm

re: #348 Targetpractice

Inauguration “controversy”? Come the fuck on.

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:06:00pm

re: #388 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Maybe they’ll all work as unpaid interns for Ivanka.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:07:29pm

re: #369 Jenner7

Hilarious!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:09:27pm

re: #378 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

This could get to a place where it’s not even about innocent until guilty; there’s the more basic “did it happen, and did it actually involve an undocumented immigrant”—because consider who deemed the “real press” by this administration.

I see the local police departments sending their arrest records & mug shots to the white house.

They don’t give a shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:11:12pm

kansas.com
Shocker Kobach is advising Trump.

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:11:51pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:12:22pm

re: #400 HappyWarrior

kansas.com
Shocker Kobach is advising Trump.

Advising Trump means telling him things he already believes.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:12:52pm

re: #365 ObserverArt

I know a bunch of race fans from Indiana (Former CART INdyCar fans) and they to a person say Mike Pence is a dolt.

I guess he lets Gawd make all his decisions for him. You don’t need to be intelligent if you are a believer you know.

It really is baffling how we end up with Trump and Twit…err, Pence as a team.

Take back America from the ignorant…if we want a future!

A reminder:

Nobody likes Pence. NOBODY.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:12:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:13:13pm

re: #402 Skip Intro

Advising Trump means telling him things he already believes.

Yep. And honestly Kobach is why Romney’s anti-Trump rhetoric was so dishonest. Romney’s the one who gave Kobach national creds by making him his immigration adviser.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:13:29pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

None of what’s happening started with Trump.

He’s pulling focus because he’s loud and abrasive, but the Congress is packed with people that are pushing him ahead of them as a decoy. That policy he’s shoving through—he might be on board with it, but the language and notions preceded this election cycle.

None of what’s happening will end with Trump.

The contempt for civil liberty and equality under law aren’t going anywhere: they’re the shared node from which the GOP’s various factions—religious, militarist, plutocrat, conspiracist, ethnocenttrist/xenophode, naricissist, etc.—mesh. All of the preceding agreed that there are un-people who need to be kept in check, and mostly their definitions of un-people line up. They’ll happily collaborate on smashing people that don’t operate with the idea that there are un-people, fully aware that a time will come when they face one another.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:13:37pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ha!

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:15:27pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I should have added the second part: telling him how smart he is to believe them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:16:57pm

re: #406 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

None of what’s happening started with Trump.

He’s pulling focus because he’s loud and abrasive, but the Congress is packed with people that are pushing him ahead of them as a decoy. That policy he’s shoving through—he might be on board with it, but it’s language and notions preceded this election cycle.

None of what’s happening will end with Trump.

The contempt for civil liberty and equality under law aren’t going anywhere: they’re the shared node from which the GOP’s various factions—religious, militarist, plutocrat, conspiracist, ethnocenttrist/xenophode, naricissist, etc.—mesh. All of the preceding agreed that there are un-people who need to be kept in check, and mostly their definitions of un-people line up. They’ll happily collaborate on smashing people that don’t operate with the idea that there are un-people, fully aware that a time will come when they face one another.

As I said during the campaign, he is not the GOP’s illness, he is their symptom. The GOP right now is a fascist party, no different from the BNP/UKIP, French NF, and the other Euro fascist parties.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:18:22pm

And Spicer says “To think he’s sitting around worried about Jeff Zucker is a little ridiculous.”
Well, yes, that would be ridiculous.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:19:40pm

re: #410 jaunte

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And Spicer says “To think he’s sitting around worried about Jeff Zucker is a little ridiculous.”
Well, yes, that would be ridiculous.

That’s some Nixon level paranoia. Sorry Donald, you’re the President, you don’t get a get out of criticism pass. This isn’t your pal Vlad’s country. I know that makes you sad.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:20:13pm

re: #305 jaunte

Not a surprise to me. See the Page I created on Information Disease.

People’s perception of the world is influenced by the information in their brains. Enough bad information and the world can no longer be perceived properly.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:20:37pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

He’s got a whole lotta “personal betrayal” feelings coming.

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:20:37pm

re: #410 jaunte

Short of becoming Fox, it’s hard to think of anything else Zucker could have done to get Trump elected.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:21:09pm

re: #413 jaunte

He’s got a whole lotta “personal betrayal” feelings coming.

He thinks everyone owes him soemething.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:21:13pm

re: #410 jaunte

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And Spicer says “To think he’s sitting around worried about Jeff Zucker is a little ridiculous.”
Well, yes, that would be ridiculous.

“Ridiculous” seems to be the theme of this Administration.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:22:02pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

He thinks everyone owes him soemething.

Kinda like his staff vetting pal, the Rage Furby! Hey Chuck, how’s that “I’m going to use my personal in with the President to get my Twitter account unbanned” pile of shite going for ya?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:22:36pm

Share this around

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Robert O.  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:22:39pm

Unsurprisingly, sales of 1984 has reached Number 1 on Amazon!

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:24:27pm

re: #410 jaunte

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And Spicer says “To think he’s sitting around worried about Jeff Zucker is a little ridiculous.”
Well, yes, that would be ridiculous.

Spicer is right. That’s as ridiculous as tweeting out a congrats to Fox for getting higher inauguration ratings than CNN. How small would a president have to be to do that?

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weave  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:24:46pm

re: #348 Targetpractice

So CNN went in a matter of days from “Trump is lying about his inauguration numbers” to “This picture proves Trump was right.”

FFS.

Christ — that gigapixel photo proves the photos from the monument are accurate. It’s all about angles. It’s why I shoot selfies from above my head, so it minimizes how fat I am!

If you zoom into the back of the crowd you can see the white bits. But you’re looking at it at almost a flat angle so of course a lot of it is going to be obscured from people standing…. I’m sure someone smarter than me can do the math!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:26:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:26:12pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:28:49pm

Another day, another hypocrisy on display:

As the article notes, this is not only the same system that our intel services have said was hacked by Russia, BUT it’s also the one that “lost” 22 million emails during the Bush years.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:29:15pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

Shooter sent Facebook message to Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos before gunfire at UW protest

In a just country, Milo would be deported for helping to radicalize a terrorist.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:31:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:31:56pm

re: #418 jaunte

Ok but how do we know this is all legit?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:32:57pm

re: #422 Myron Falwell

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:34:15pm

Because of course she does:

Liz Cheney Supports Waterboarding, Attacks CIA Torture Report
“We don’t torture; we haven’t tortured,” she insisted.

huffingtonpost.com?
The rotten apple fell directly below the rotten tree.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:34:26pm

re: #424 Targetpractice

Another day, another hypocrisy on display:

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As the article notes, this is not only the same system that our intel services have said was hacked by Russia, BUT it’s also the one that “lost” 22 million emails during the Bush years.

Both of these feature are by design rather than accident. Having Russian back doors into these systems expedites the blowing of all US intelligence that reaches the white house to the Russians, and the Trump administration is going to have a greater-than-average need (even for Republicans) to dispose of incriminating emails.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:36:48pm

Ugh this Trump interview on ABC is horrible.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:36:51pm

The whole damn Republican party is evil, top to bottom and side to side.

There’s a distinct lack of appreciation of this simple fact by Congressional Democrats and by nearly all of the mainstream media.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:39:27pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
I can hardly believe we have a president who’s openly praising torture. WTF is going on? @CNNPolitics


3:38 PM - 25 Jan 2017
111 111 Retweets 172 172 likes

Because the big rich chicken hawk pussy has to prove now how much a tough guy he is.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:41:12pm

David Muir: Did you know your daughter Tiffany, Steve Bannon, and Steven Mnuchin are registered to vote in 2 states?

^^^^ so much for “investigative reporting”.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:41:21pm

re: #433 ObserverArt

That has to be one of the most dangerous and irresponsible thing he’s said yet.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:41:29pm

re: #418 jaunte

Share this around

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Already dm’ed the HHS site to help as they need. I will do the same with the others. Anybody with a science background…time to step the fuck up to the plate.

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MegPasadena  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:41:58pm

re: #158 The_Burren

I think contractors are exempt from the federal employees hiring freeze, which means it probably will cost more.

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Jenner7  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:42:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:42:28pm

re: #435 Commenter #17

That has to be one of the most dangerous and irresponsible thing he’s said yet.

Give him time, he’ll top it.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

The POTUS is basically telling the world that US agents torture people and that it works. Also that he knows about agents that torture.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:45:37pm

re: #351 Sir John Barron

Looks like this “Bill Cunningham” from iheartradio is trying to claim something. Don’t know who this guy is, some wingnut radio carnival barker?

iheart is Rush Limbaugh’s media.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:45:43pm

re: #435 Commenter #17

That has to be one of the most dangerous and irresponsible thing he’s said yet.

It’s a tough call, but Trump wanting to play with the nukes is worse IMO. However, such consideration of Trump’s statements is irrelevant, since the words of a pathological liar mean nothing.

So we just look at what this monster does, abetted by his party of moral degenerates, and judge both accordingly.

Never has there been a more perfect situation to apply this rule: “Don’t tell me what you believe. Show me what you do and all the world will know what you believe.”

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:47:32pm
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:50:44pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:53:07pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Yeah, what image is Trump trying to project with that:

[Embedded content]

Jackson in the WH (Obama’s Treasury is replacing Jackson with Tubman on the $20).

The same Jackson who created the Trail of Tears and engaged in genocide.

Not to mention he was also directly responsible for the biggest financial crisis in United States history prior to the Great Depression - The Panic of 1837 - when he closed the National banks (because he did not want the US to have a centralized monetary supply) and instituted extremely protectionist trade policies with Great Britain.
Another parallel with the new administration is that Andrew Jackson was the originator of the “Spoils System” - the forefather to political cronyism - a practice that is rampant with Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:53:45pm

re: #444 jaunte

A values test?? Holy shit!

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:53:51pm

re: #444 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Is Trump supporting a “radical homosexual agenda” now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:54:29pm

re: #444 jaunte

values trick test question: “What are your views on homosexuality?”

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:54:52pm

Ah Hahahahahahahahaaaaa.

Seen elsewhere.

Top Designer provides whimsical outfit for Miss Kellyanne Conway…professional truth bender, or if you want something other than an alt-fact…she’s a liar.
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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:55:52pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:57:00pm

re: #444 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“What is view on homosexuality?” So basically they’re going to bar Evangelicals as well.

I can live with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:57:56pm

re: #449 ObserverArt

somebody needs to introduce KellyAnne to support hose.
Or any kind of hosiery.

I won’t even start on those fugly shoes.

453
thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 3:59:04pm

re: #451 Targetpractice

“What is view on homosexuality?” So basically they’re going to bar Evangelicals as well.

I can live with that.

What? No, they’re going to bar people who don’t hate homosexuals. Apparently, liberals need not apply to the United States. I seriously can’t believe this is happening. It’s like a strange, warped version of reality.

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JasonA  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:00:55pm

re: #438 Jenner7

Great job, America. Really knocked this one out of the park.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:01:35pm

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

A values test?? Holy shit!

I’m pretty sure I know where he got the inspiration for these edicts.

Because Constitutional protections apply only to pure-blooded whites, apparently.

It’s just a matter of time before he tries to start stripping citizenship from Muslims in the United States.

456
Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:05:35pm

Most of these are promises to fuck the country up, or to hurt refugees, but it’s nice that he wants to solve the ISIS problem the Republicans created, and rebuild the infrastructure that the Republicans have allowed to decay.

CNN Tracking Trumps Promises

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:06:03pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:06:16pm

re: #451 Targetpractice

“What is view on homosexuality?” So basically they’re going to bar Evangelicals as well.

I can live with that.

It will be just like the ‘literacy tests’ of the Jim Crow era. The right kind of people are never required to take the test (which they would fail).

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:08:06pm

“Do you support Sharia law?”

“Hell no.”

“Do you believe in beheadings?”

“No, that’s barbaric.”

“What is your view on homosexuality?”

“Well, I think a traditional marriage is between a man and a woman…”

“AHA! You’re a radical Muslim! Entry denied!”

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:08:48pm

re: #457 Charles Johnson

RWNJs have snakes in their heads. Of course they approve of torture. If Trump really wants to dethrone St. Reagan and become the paramount idol for right wing worship, all he has to do is start torturing people in public.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:11:05pm

re: #455 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:12:40pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

To think I was once a Kucinich fan. Man we do dumb stuff as kids.

Heh. Being from Ohio teaches you that he was a kook for a long long time.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:13:48pm

Oh, Tweety is about to have Sewer Rat Barbie on Softball. *click*

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #433 ObserverArt

Because the big rich chicken hawk pussy has to prove now how much a tough guy he is.

Trump will be President bullshit, then when he’s impeached, convicted, and removed from office, the bullshit will get even bolder. He’ll try to destroy the country with bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:16:56pm

re: #328 ericblair

We’re less than a week in, and nobody could have predicted the insane multi-day bullshit about inauguration crowds that has already happened. We can’t possibly talk sensibly about 2018, and I don’t know if we can talk about 100 days from now.

It’s like predicting what will happen to a driver who’s had half a bottle of scotch and four lines of coke: I don’t know whether he’ll hit a tree, a pedestrian, another car, whether he’ll crash backwards through his garage, or whether he’ll smash his head on the car door and knock himself out. All I know is that he’s not going to get where he wants to go and he’s going to destroy a lot of things and people that didn’t need to be destroyed, and the responsible people are going to have to clean it all up.

That bit I put in bold type…I would say there were a lot of people that predicted it would be like this. He was like this the whole damn campaign…getting worse toward the end when he actually won.

He was like this as a business man too, but that all got glossed over.

He isn’t going to change either.

Based on who he is I think it is safe to make a prediction.

He will only get worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:18:32pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:19:06pm

re: #465 ObserverArt

It is certain that Trump is going to produce batcrap insane shit at a tremendous rate.

It is impossible to predict in advance exactly how this insanity will be expressed.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:19:38pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently, CNN is claiming the inauguration crowd was really huge:

This Picture Should Put the Crowd Controversy To Rest

Doesn’t that just mean the Obama crowd was even more huge!

There just wasn’t the same digital image quality at the time.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:20:33pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:25:05pm

re: #379 William Lewis

The Mexican government should break off diplomatic relations with the US until someone sane is in the White House.

Could be dangerous. Trump may invade them and take the factories and enslave the people as war criminals.

What? You don’t think he would consider do something like this?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:26:30pm

re: #440 Commenter #17

The POTUS is basically telling the world that US agents torture people and that it works. Also that he knows about agents that torture.

Jack Bauer is a terrific person, very very good friend.

472
JasonA  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:26:36pm

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coming soon to a country near you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:27:10pm
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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:28:48pm

re: #351 Sir John Barron

Looks like this “Bill Cunningham” from iheartradio is trying to claim something. Don’t know who this guy is, some wingnut radio carnival barker?

iHeart was Clear Channel…home of Rush Limbaugh.

478
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:29:46pm

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gabbard is a piece of work.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:29:48pm

Worth a read: balloon-juice.com

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:30:00pm
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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:31:12pm

re: #369 Jenner7

Has Rainbow Randy chimed in yet? :-) That’s the only way I’ll watch president asshole speak.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:34:35pm

re: #351 Sir John Barron

Looks like this “Bill Cunningham” from iheartradio is trying to claim something. Don’t know who this guy is, some wingnut radio carnival barker?

Bill Cunningham is a boilerplate right wing yakker (whose show actually runs opposite of Rush on 700 WLW). He originated the “Great American” handle before Lumpy stole it directly from him.

Willie did have one speck of sensibility in teaming up with Ohio public employee unions to repeal Senate Bill 5 back in 2011, but that law was insanely awful.

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:36:49pm
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Bubblehead II  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:44:16pm

Night Lizards. My survivalist instincts are resurfacing. Time to start cheking up on equipment I have let lay dormant for to long. May need to update some of them.

#resist

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Jay in Oregon  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:17:14pm

I have a friend who is disgusted and appalled by everything that’s happened in the last couple of months.

He shakes his head in disbelief that things have gotten so bad so quickly. He is ready to take the fight to…

…you guessed it…

… Hillary Clinton supporters! See, the problem is that the DNC shoved a completely unelectable woman down our throats, so they are the ones to blame for what’s happening now.

The Democratic Party needs to come to their senses and fall in behind Bernie, because everyone would have lined up to vote for a 75-year-old Jewish socialist—even the neo-Nazis!

I guess what I’m trying to say is, I wouldn’t hold out hope for the Bernie bros; they’re still trying to win the 2016 primary.


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