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Belafon  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:31:42pm

Worth a read: balloon-juice.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:34:18pm

This Bad Lip Reading is more coherent than Trump’s actual speeches.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:34:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:35:37pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Proving the ugly truth we’ve all known for some time - the Republicans really do intend to ensure only rich white men can vote again.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:36:52pm

re: #4 thedopefishlives

Actually, on that topic, one of my FB friends posted an incredibly chilling list of legitimate GOP officeholders insulting women at the marches, one even going so far as to say it was an “argument for revoking womens’ right to vote.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:37:31pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:38:33pm

The man tipped to be Donald Trump’s ambassador to the European Union has told the BBC the single currency “could collapse” in the next 18 months.

He also said Britain could agree a “mutually beneficial” free trade deal with America in as little as 90 days.

In other news, he offered archaeological proof that the entire City of Rome was constructed between 9am and 6pm on Tuesday, May 4, 414 B.C

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:39:10pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:39:20pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:40:04pm
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Jack Burton  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:41:39pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

His real name, Fuckface von Clownstick and his actual title, Il Douche, should be adequate.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:43:09pm

re: #4 thedopefishlives

Proving the ugly truth we’ve all known for some time - the Republicans really do intend to ensure only rich white men can vote again.

It’s becoming more and more clear that we only have three options:

1.) Senate Democrats growing a freaking spine and defending anything and everything. Sadly, there’s little to suggest this.
2.) A totalitarian regime that will eventually fail after decades of ratfucking the people and the murder/suppression of untold civilians (Spain, the Philippines)
3.) Violence and bloodshed as a restless and angry majority eventually gives in to the worst of our animal instincts. (1791 France, 1917 Russia, 1959 Cuba, 1990 Romania)

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:43:37pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Trump is POTUS because right-wingers like the fact that Trump is a bigot and too many in the center and left don’t care that Trump is a bigot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:44:50pm

re: #13 Myron Falwell

3.) Violence and bloodshed as a restless and angry majority eventually gives in to the worst of our animal instincts. (1791 France, 1917 Russia, 1990 Romania)

We have millions of armed, bigoted, still-enraged whackos and a leader who delights in riling people up.

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:45:09pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

Tantrump.

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Jack Burton  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:46:08pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

Trump is POTUS because right-wingers like the fact that Trump is a bigot and too many in the center and left don’t care that Trump is a bigot.

[moonbat]Because emails… and Goldman Sachs…[/moonbat]

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:46:08pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

Trump is POTUS because right-wingers like the fact that Trump is a bigot and too many in the center and left don’t care that Trump is a bigot.

…and because the permanently broken Electoral College system will always place a massive advantage over Bumfuck Counties where the majority of those small populations are GOP-supporting bigots.

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:46:44pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

That’s good.

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gocart mozart  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:46:54pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:47:48pm

re: #18 Myron Falwell

…and because the permanently broken Electoral College system will always place a massive advantage over Bumfuck Counties where the majority of those small populations are GOP-supporting bigots.

and our media were more interested in a horse race and ratings than pointing out that one of the candidates was totally unqualified for office.

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:47:50pm

Bashing democrats is so very helpful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:49:47pm

re: #22 stpaulbear

Bashing democrats is so very helpful.

remember, they were fighting a two-front war: in the primaries, they had to face a takeover attempt from an independent outsider, which left them open to massive GOP ratfucking, then for the general they had to turn to face a candidate who was the darling of the media.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:50:29pm

Repost from down stairs.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:50:55pm

re: #13 Myron Falwell

This business of the Senate Democrats being spineless is a real problem.

The worst of Trump’s cabinet picks should have 100% opposition from the Democrats, especially Tillerson, DeVos and that HHS jackass.

Trump’s SCOTUS pick should also have 100% opposition from the Democrats.

I don’t care if these are votes that Republicans will win. That’s irrelevant. Force these jackasses to do all their bullshit on pure party line votes. Force then to end the filibuster if they ever want to get a SCOTUS nomination through.

If Manchin wants to play nice with the Republicans, boot him from the party or strip him of all seniority. His seat is a lost cause anyway.

If I don’t see this happen in the next few weeks, I’ll start entertaining myself by responding to Democratic party fundraising mailings with various and insulting suggestions on where to find (or grow) some sorely needed spines.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:51:57pm

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have millions of armed, bigoted, still-enraged whackos and a leader who delights in riling people up.

For as much as I was horrified watching the Bosnian War play out on TV, it’s just as frightening to consider it happening here.

It is the GOP game plan. Honestly I think they WANT violence spilling out in the street because it means they can commandeer a destroyed government and act out their own inner Alma Coin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:52:09pm

re: #24 Bubblehead II

Repost from down staird.

littlegreenfootballs.com

We now have to live with “massive voter fraud” being treated as an “accepted” fact. it will shape a great deal of legislation that will counter whatever efforts people put into correcting 2016.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:52:21pm

re: #22 stpaulbear

Bashing democrats is so very helpful.

Sadly it is what a lot of Democrats do all the damn time. When they lose, instead of joining together to fight, they break apart in little groups that point fingers at the other little groups.

If they want to get their shit together as a party the last thing Democrats need to do is just that.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:53:05pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:54:40pm

re: #18 Myron Falwell

…and because the permanently broken Electoral College system will always place a massive advantage over Bumfuck Counties where the majority of those small populations are GOP-supporting bigots.

A few years back, there was some discussion that the Electoral College could end up favoring Democrats vs. Republicans (compared to a national popular vote), if Republican votes over-concentrated in the bright red states to a sufficient extent.

That always seemed dubious to me, since the GOP structural advantage provided by rural over-representation in the electoral college is large and permanent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:55:09pm
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Cheechako  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:55:19pm

Every Democrat who votes for any of trumps nominees is supporting this trump storm! This is war!! There is no “Let’s be nice and meet the Republicans in the middle” any more. Those days are long gone!

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:56:14pm

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

remember, they were fighting a two-front war: in the primaries, they had to face a takeover attempt from an independent outsider, which left them open to massive GOP ratfucking, then for the general they had to turn to face a candidate who was the darling of the media.

They also had to fight the disinformation campaign from hell while no one would listen when they held actual events to lay out how they were fighting the disinformation campaign from hell. Now we’ve got President Vladimir Bannon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:57:57pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

Mordor National Park @MordorNPS
Just a friendly reminder to visitors that Mount Doom is not a jewelry disposal system

Should be followed by a reminder that ample parking and shuttle buses are available, but pedestrian traffic is not allowed due to safety precautions.

One does not simply walk into Mordor

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 4:57:58pm

re: #32 Cheechako

Every Democrat who votes for any of trumps nominees is supporting this trump storm! This is war!! There is no “Let’s be nice and meet the Republicans in the middle” any more. Those days are long gone!

Congressional Democrats have one job. It’s a very easy job. All they have to do is vote ‘no’ on all this TrumpShit.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:01:39pm

re: #22 stpaulbear

Bashing democrats is so very helpful.

Right now, we have nothing standing between us and demise but for democrats in congress. If they refuse to stand for us, I will not vote for them. We have nothing more to lose. They are all we have. If they don’t act, fuck em.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:02:03pm

re: #32 Cheechako

Every Democrat who votes for any of trumps nominees is supporting this trump storm! This is war!! There is no “Let’s be nice and meet the Republicans in the middle” any more. Those days are long gone!

When I was a conservative in 2009, that was the overarching mantra as the GOP started to go over the cliff. The RWNJs made it clear that any Republican who supported a Democrat would be thrown out in what was said to be “ideological purity…” but I would view today as an embrace of outright nihilism.

And now the Democrats SHOULD be doing the same fucking thing, but for a totally different reason. The RWNJs did it mostly out of racism and resentment turning into outright hatred. The Democrats NEED to do it to take a stand and attempt to save us from ourselves. Only Sen. Gillenbrand got the memo.

I feel like I’m in bizarro world.

{{puts head in hands}}

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:02:31pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Should be followed by a reminder that ample parking and shuttle buses are available, but pedestrian traffic is not allowed due to safety precautions.

One does not simply walk into Mordor

Helicopters too.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:05:01pm

Changed the logo again to use a less bold font style, because after living with the previous bolder version for a few days it was looking too heavy up there in the corner.

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:05:02pm

re: #32 Cheechako

Every Democrat who votes for any of trumps nominees is supporting this trump storm! This is war!! There is no “Let’s be nice and meet the Republicans in the middle” any more. Those days are long gone!

So call them and tell them to die for the cause.

house.gov

senate.gov

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:07:22pm

re: #36 MsJ

Right now, we have nothing standing between us and demise but for democrats in congress. If they refuse to stand for us, I will not vote for them. We have nothing more to lose. They are all we have. If they don’t act, fuck em.

Like I said, so very helpful.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:09:35pm

Watch!

Watch this. @MitchellReports remembers Mary Tyler Moore, who inspired her at a time when women were told they didn’t belong in the newsroom.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:09:39pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Changed the logo again to use a less bold font style, because after living with the previous bolder version for a few days it was looking too heavy up there in the corner.

Looks better. And thanks for fixing the iPhone tweet issue! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:10:39pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Indeed. If you’re going to Mordor, better get your running shoes on.

Better yet - take the Eagles (and the points).

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Cheechako  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:10:48pm

re: #40 stpaulbear

So call them and tell them to die for the cause.

house.gov

senate.gov

I stuck with 3 Republicans in Congress. They will be very happy to ride with trump off this cliff. Congress persons do not listen to anyone who is not a voter in their state/district so calling, emailing or writing to them is a waste of time.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:10:49pm

re: #41 stpaulbear

Like I said, so very helpful.

So it’s all good that Dems are ok’ing everything trump so far?

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:12:32pm

re: #36 MsJ

Right now, we have nothing standing between us and demise but for democrats in congress. If they refuse to stand for us, I will not vote for them. We have nothing more to lose. They are all we have. If they don’t act, fuck em.

Defeatism. Does not get anyone anywhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:13:02pm

It’s really bothering him that he was crushed in the popular vote.

Trump on his voter fraud claim (which is not true): “They would all be for the other side”

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:13:18pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

Defeatism. Does not get anyone anywhere.

Neither does rubber stamping republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:13:53pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s really bothering him that he was crushed in the popular vote.

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People registered in two states? People like your pal Bannon?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:14:30pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

And daughter Tiffany.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:15:29pm

re: #51 GlutenFreeJesus

And daughter Tiffany.

And treasury secretary designatee Mnunchin. Man it’s not even a week and I’m already sick of this fuck.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:15:37pm

re: #49 MsJ

Neither does rubber stamping republicans.

I never said it did.

I was only talking about defeatism. Big difference.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:15:38pm

re: #51 GlutenFreeJesus

And daughter Tiffany.

And Reince (in two different cities in WI).

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:15:46pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

People registered in two states? People like your pal Bannon?

So far the following have been identified as being registered in multiple places:

Tiffany Trump
Steve Bannon
Steve Mnuchin
Reince Preibus

And that’s just in a few hours of checking. Anyone doubt that there’s going to be more? Because where there’s fire, there’s a frickin’ fire storm.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:16:56pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

I never said it did.

I was only talking about defeatism. Big difference.

Ok and I agree. I don’t feel defeated but I’ll be damned if I’ll support Dems who betray our principles. That’s all I was saying.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:16:57pm

Have to confess to the crocodile tears from my conservative friends bellyaching about how they’ve lost friends due to the election. To be frank guys, were you guys upset when conservative employers literally talked about firing people who voted for Obama or the constant deriding of Obama supporters. I haven’t stopped being friends with a single person over politics, that’s not how I operate but I have thought less of people when I discovered their support of Trump, absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:17:25pm

re: #55 lawhawk

So far the following have been identified as being registered in multiple places:

Tiffany Trump
Steve Bannon
Steve Mnuchin
Reince Preibus

And that’s just in a few hours of checking. Anyone doubt that there’s going to be more? Because where there’s fire, there’s a frickin’ fire storm.

I’d love for his “investigation” to turn up that he himself did this.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:17:33pm

Oh, and Trump’s got all this time to go ahead and call for investigations into voter fraud that doesn’t exist, but doesn’t have the time to make disaster declarations to help folks affected by this week’s storms.

Make America retch again.

All you fuckers who thought Trump would help you or people like you? You were conned and you don’t even know it. Or don’t even care (which is worse).

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:18:44pm

re: #41 stpaulbear

Like I said, so very helpful.

How it is helpful to have Senate Democrats voting for Trump cabinet nominations?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:18:53pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Oh, and Trump’s got all this time to go ahead and call for investigations into voter fraud that doesn’t exist, but doesn’t have the time to make disaster declarations to help folks affected by this week’s storms.

Make America retch again.

All you fuckers who thought Trump would help you or people like you? You were conned and you don’t even know it. Or don’t even care (which is worse).

Exactly. They were fucking conned. He doesn’t even have a FEMA admin set up does he? Maybe if he stopped bragging for a minute but then again if he stopped bragging, it would be an alternate universe.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:19:06pm

BTW. How many of you recall that phenomenal called C.B.? Yep, you got your cell phones. But do you have C.B?

Didn’t think so. 27 MHZ, let’s just ignore it..

Convoy 1978 movie Theme Song

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allegro  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:19:37pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

Watch!

[Embedded content]

Watch this. @MitchellReports remembers Mary Tyler Moore, who inspired her at a time when women were told they didn’t belong in the newsroom.

She inspired way more than future newswomen - she was a beacon for all young women to pursue our professions and buck the Good Ol’ Boys club. She inspired on more levels than professional. She made it okay to be single, to have a great life without needing a man/husband/boyfriend to “legitimize” her. This was actually a seriously huge and subversive thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:21:04pm

re: #63 allegro

She inspired way more than future newswomen - she was a beacon for all young women to pursue our professions and buck the Good Ol’ Boys club. She inspired on more levels than professional. She made it okay to be single, to have a great life without needing a man/husband/boyfriend to “legitimize” her. This was actually a seriously huge and subversive thing.

That’s something that those who insist they don’t need feminism don’t understand. I admit, I wasn’t around back then but I like to think of myself as someone who’s studied history. Too many people- men and women don’t appreciate how far we’ve really come as a society.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:21:53pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s really bothering him that he was crushed in the popular vote.

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The reporter obvs didn’t know about Tiffany, Reince, Mnuchin & Bannon.

FAIL to ask that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:22:48pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

The reporter obvs didn’t know about Tiffany, Reince, Mnuchin & Bannon.

FAIL to ask that.

Yeah that would have been my first question especially after he insisted that “none” of the “fraud” goes for him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:23:14pm

Here is Donald Trump wandering from precinct to precinct because he doesn’t know where he is supposed to vote.

Access Classic: Donald Trump’s Election Day Disaster – A Look Back (2004)

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stpaulbear  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:23:39pm

re: #45 Cheechako

I stuck with 3 Republicans in Congress. They will be very happy to ride with trump off this cliff. Congress persons do not listen to anyone who is not a voter in their state/district so calling, emailing or writing to them is a waste of time.

So if you don’t call them, they’re only hearing from people who agree with them. Call them just to waste their fucking time and vent on topic without blowing up so they don’t hang up on you. I believe that the grunts who take the calls actually do count beans in regards to who is pro/anti their positions. None of them will know your position if you don’t let them know your position.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:23:39pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Yeah that would have been my first question especially after he insisted that “none” of the “fraud” goes for him.

He would’ve fucking sputtered.

Fail.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:24:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:25:14pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

He would’ve fucking sputtered.

Fail.

I would have loved to seen the look on his face. “Mr. Trump, your own daughter is registered to vote in two states. As is your Chief of Staff, a key adviser, and Secretary of Treasury.” Of course, knowing him he’d call it lies. You saw the way he reacted when it was pointed out to him what the author of the report said.

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Cheechako  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:25:52pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

How it is helpful to have Senate Democrats voting for Trump cabinet nominations?

I agree, it’s definitely not helpful. Every Democrat who votes for these shitty nominees is showing the public that these nominees really aren’t that bad. A Democratic vote shows that Democrats support this kind of behavior.

This has to stop. Every vote for any of these shitheads should have 48 nay votes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:25:55pm

re: #56 MsJ

Ok and I agree. I don’t feel defeated but I’ll be damned if I’ll support Dems who betray our principles. That’s all I was saying.

I’ll agree that is what you meant. But the way you wrote did not come off that way.

This isn’t going to be easy.

And it is odd to think and say this, but I wonder if there is a little bit of the Dems giving them enough rope…if you know what I mean.

Yes, that could be dangerous, but as crazy as this administration is shaping up I wonder if there is a give them what they want so people get a real feel for the crazy.

That and I think this administration is going to split up relatively soon. There will be people leave because Trump is nuts (General James Mattis, maybe even Tillerson), hot heads that will give up because it isn’t crazy enough (Steve Bannon), indictments (General Flynn) some run out for just being totally incompetent (Ben Carson, Rick Perry) seen as a danger by too many Americans (Betsy DeVos) and stuff like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:26:11pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Meanwhile the President is bitching about non-existent fraud because he can’t accept that he lost the popular vote. I mean FFS, yeah Bush fucked up when Katrina happened but he wasn’t using that time on a petty vendetta.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:29:06pm

A small but useful improvement: the LGF search function now saves your recent searches, and you can reuse them by clicking the magnifying glass on the left side of the input field.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:29:43pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s really bothering him that he was crushed in the popular vote.

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Trump on his voter fraud claim (which is not true): “They would all be for the other side”

And we all KNOW who those “all be for the other side” voters would be, now don’t we, Donald.
As I have said before, this is his opening salvo on getting the 1965 Voting Rights Act repealed - remember this law is not a Constitutional amendment, so only requires a majority vote to overturn. It is about as racist as a statement can get without overtly naming minorities as the cause of his popular vote loss.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:30:59pm

re: #36 MsJ

Right now, we have nothing standing between us and demise but for democrats in congress. If they refuse to stand for us, I will not vote for them. We have nothing more to lose. They are all we have. If they don’t act, fuck primary em.

Fixed. Assuming anger against trump/the GOP goes up, how the hell will a “GOP-lite”, enabling Democrat get voters to the polls? They’ll want a fighter.

It was a close election. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote handily and only lost the presidency by about 110,000 votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. But Donald Trump’s victory exposed a problem that existed regardless of the Electoral College tally: Democrats do not have a coherent economic story that can appeal to people on the wrong side of the growing inequality divide. People who think their financial situation is worse than four years ago voted for Trump by an astounding 78-19 margin.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:32:42pm

re: #76 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

And we all KNOW who those “all for the other side” voters would be, now don’t we, Donald.
As I have said before, this is his salvo on getting the 1965 Voting Rights Act repealed - remember this law is not a Constitutional amendment, so only requires a majority vote to overturn. It is about as racist as a statement can get without overtly naming minorities as the cause of his popular vote loss.

You make me remember Chief Justice John Roberts and his thinking there is no racism in America.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:32:56pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Thanks Charles. These improvements are one of many reasons why I come here.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:33:21pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

A small but useful improvement: the LGF search function now saves your recent searches, and you can reuse them by clicking the magnifying glass on the left side of the input field.

Uh, but… Firefox doesn’t support the HTML5 “search” input style, so Firefox users won’t get this feature.

Been doing some testing with Firefox this week, and I have to say… this browser is really starting to get creaky. Lots of display bugs and other weirdness going on, compared to Chrome and Safari.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:33:48pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

You make me remember Chief Justice John Roberts and his thinking there is no racism in America.

I’ll always think low of Roberts because of that. He reversed a good law because of his pity party for the South being “mistreated” by those laws. There’s a reason why those laws exist.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:34:10pm

re: #79 PhillyPretzel

Thanks Charles. These improvements are one of many reasons why I come here.

Yeah Charles is constantly improving the website. Kudos.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:35:06pm

From the SPLC though, 50 years ago today Thurgood Marshall was appointed to the Supreme Court. Today if he were nominated, the Republicans would block him no doubt as an “activist” for his role as an attorney in Brown.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:35:10pm
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Weaselone  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:35:32pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

I keep seeing this, but the Democrats did have a compelling economic vision, It’s just not the vision these voters wanted. They preferred the comfortable lie where all the coal/factory jobs came back and they could work in the same job their father and father’s father had.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:37:21pm

re: #85 Weaselone

I keep seeing this, but the Democrats did have a compelling economic vision, It’s just not the vision these voters wanted. They preferred the comfortable lie where all the coal/factory jobs came back and they could work in the same job their father and father’s father had.

I have to agree with that. It may not have been the populist vision they wanted or the Berners did but I think Clinton and Kaine did outline our economic vision pretty well. It just wasn’t soundbite friendly and I agree a lot of those voters really do prefer the empty rhetoric rather than the cold hard truth. I understand their frustrations obviously but I strongly disagree that the Dems had no economic vision.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:37:24pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

Yes, the Democratic party lacks a ” coherent, compelling economic vision. “

But they also lack a coherent, compelling vision for anything.

As I’ve long lamented here, the Democratic party is the “I’m not a Republican” party. That may not be bad, but that is what it is.

I’m not sure it can be anything else. I believe ideology is important, but I just don’t see the Democratic Party in the US trying to forge a unifying ideology. It may not be possible, and keep the size of the party.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:37:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:38:01pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:38:03pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

And University of Penn too will have cuts because they are putting themselves into the sanctuary category along with the City of Philadelphia.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:38:21pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:38:48pm

Well, thanks to stpaulbear’s heads up, I stopped by the post office today and picked up 20 of the postage paid postcards, so I can now write short notes to my Congresscritters as needed. I’m going to pass some of them along to my sisters, since their Congresscritters aren’t all (D) after their names like mine are.

And while right now it feels like way too small of a step, it’s at least something I can do.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:38:51pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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I can’t believe we have at least four more years of this shit barring a miracle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:39:42pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

You make me remember Chief Justice John Roberts and his thinking there is no racism in America.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:40:25pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe we have at least four more years of this shit barring a miracle.

My suspicions is that Trump won’t make it a full four years. Like everything else, his claims of health and vigor are a work. See his now-world-famous doctor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:41:24pm

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

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So many people don’t get that or if you bring it up, they get angry. Privilege exists. Privilege is me having been drunken in public several times and not having to worry about the police manhandling me. Privilege is not society calling me a slut or skank for my sexual decisions.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:41:53pm

re: #95 freetoken

My suspicions is that Trump won’t make it a full four years. Like everything else, his claims of health and vigor are a work. See his now-world-famous doctor.

True but if he dies, we get Pence and Pence has his own warts.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:42:37pm

re: #95 freetoken

My suspicions is that Trump won’t make it a full four years. Like everything else, his claims of health and vigor are a work. See his now-world-famous doctor.

4 hours of sleep each night? He’s on amphetamines.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:43:04pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

4 hours of sleep each night? He’s on amphetamines.

His brain is fried.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:43:08pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

4 hours of sleep each night? He’s on amphetamines.

Remember not to wake him when the Allies land in Normandy. //

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:43:28pm

re: #85 Weaselone

I keep seeing this, but the Democrats did have a compelling economic vision, It’s just not the vision these voters wanted. They preferred the comfortable lie where all the coal/factory jobs came back and they could work in the same job their father and father’s father had.

Actually, the linked article makes a very good point, IMO. The Republican economic story is ‘free markets solve everything’. The Democratic economic story is ‘free markets are great, but they need tweaking here, there, and over there, and this response to an emerging regulatory gap, …’

Guess which vision is easier to sell.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:43:30pm

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

While everyone was talking about the big city turnout for the Women’s March, even smaller cities got into the act:

TRAVERSE CITY — Rallygoers overwhelmed downtown Traverse City with signs, costumes and chants and marched for more than an hour through city sidewalks.

The march was one of several small demonstrations aligned with the Women’s March on Washington, a Washington, D.C. gathering aimed at promoting women’s rights.

Saturday’s crowds were beyond what Traverse City police officers anticipated, police Capt. Jim Bussell said. Officers barricaded Garland Street to give the thousands of demonstrators a place to safely gather after the march. There were no incidents reported during the gathering.

“I think it went well,” Bussell said.

People marched past Votruba Leather Goods’ Front Street windows for more than an hour, Phil Stephenson said. Stephenson stood outside the store during the march, watching demonstrators stride past and waiting to join his wife in the crowd. His coworker Kathy Siladke stayed inside to help the customers who filtered into the store.

Traverse City (from wikipedia:)

The population was 14,674 at the 2010 census, with 143,372 in the Traverse City micropolitan area.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:43:46pm
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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:44:39pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

Democrats do not have a coherent economic story that can appeal to people on the wrong side of the growing inequality divide.

You know what also didn’t help? News channels cutting away from Hillary’s appearances or relegating her to a soundless PiP when she did talk about policy and economic vision, and emails taking up all the oxygen in the room.

The fact is, Hillary had an economic vision and story. Hell, she appropriated a lot of Bernie’s economic positions for her official platform. It didn’t matter, when she tried to talk shop, news would rather report on the empty Trump podium. Literally the only way she was able to get coverage that wasn’t Benghazi or Email related was by talking about Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:45:23pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

4 hours of sleep each night? He’s on amphetamines.

Diet pills.

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allegro  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:45:30pm

re: #101 EPR-radar

Actually, the linked article makes a very good point, IMO. The Republican economic story is ‘free markets solve everything’. The Democratic economic story is ‘free markets are great, but they need tweaking here, there, and over there, and this response to an emerging regulatory gap, …’

Guess which vision is easier to sell.

“Free markets are for the rich to screw YOU.”

There.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:45:46pm

re: #85 Weaselone

I keep seeing this, but the Democrats did have a compelling economic vision

And pray tell where was it, other than buried in policy sections of websites no “swing voter” bothered to read? :( Or HRC rallies they’d never be motivated to attend? Where was the avalanche of ads? Where was HRC’s equivalent of Obama’s 2008 30-minute primetime special just one week before the election, filled with reasons to vote FOR her instead of just against trump?

We have to be careful we don’t get stuck in our own bubble, subconsciously projecting our level of engagement and information-seeking onto random low-info voters. To paraphrase a certain defense secretary, you go to an election with the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish you had. Dumb down your message accordingly or go down in resounding defeat.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:45:47pm

re: #87 freetoken

Yes, the Democratic party lacks a ” coherent, compelling economic vision. “

But they also lack a coherent, compelling vision for anything.

As I’ve long lamented here, the Democratic party is the “I’m not a Republican” part. That may not be bad, but that is what it is.

I’m not sure it can be anything else. I believe ideology is important, but I just don’t see the Democratic Party in the US trying to forge a unifying ideology. It may not be possible, and keep the size of the party.

You may want to watch this. South Bend Indiana mayor Pete Buttigieg on why he wants to lead the DNC. He addresses that very issue. I mentioned him the other day. I didn’t know anything about him until I saw this on MTP Daily.

By the way. Pete is also openly gay and I think he isn’t afraid of much. Think of it…mayor of a city that has a large famous Catholic university. Says a lot to me.

I’m trying to not watch Chuck…but I just wanted to see what he had to say about some of the alternative facts thing he helped create on Sunday. Luckily I did see this and I was a little impressed.

Iframe

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Weaselone  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:46:36pm

re: #87 freetoken
But they also lack a coherent, compelling vision for anything.
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You mean other than that whole strength through diversity thing. The America where we all work together so that everyone succeeds? Where we invest in our people and our country to fuel economic growth, where we take things like climate change and basic fucking science research seriously. But yeah, I get what you mean. The whole working in a fucking coal mine until black lung makes you unable to work and you die gasping for air without health insurance and your family is left in poverty is far more compelling.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:46:53pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:47:36pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Do you really think that Trump will actually compensate those landowners for the forced confiscation of their private property?

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:47:49pm

re: #106 allegro

“Free markets are for the rich to screw YOU.”

There.

Great. Now what’s the alternative to having free markets be the starting point for Democratic party economic policy?

Personally I think the labor market has gotten to the point where something radical, like a living wage for all, really needs to be on the table, but that’s probably not going to fly any time soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:48:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:49:15pm

re: #111 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Do you really think that Trump will actually compensate those landowners for the forced confiscation of their private property?

nope.
landowners aren’t being paid FMV for their land being taken for the various pipelines.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:50:14pm

A very plausible explanation for Trump’s bizarre sleeping habits is that he’s exhibiting symptoms of Alzheimer’s. His family has a history of it, he’s at the right age, and he has lots of other symptoms: memory loss, irritability, obsessive behavior, lashing out, etc.

We may actually see him have a complete mental breakdown in public at some point. I just hope he’s nowhere near the nuclear football when it happens.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:51:12pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:51:36pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

True but if he dies, we get Pence and Pence has his own warts.

Then we fight him too.

I swear Democrats need to make the Republican party own every little quirk, screw-up, lie, fumble, mistake, danger, etc. this Orange Loaf causes.

That goes for Pence, his cabinet, Mitch, Ryan, all of the Republicans. It is what they wanted make ‘em pay for all of it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:52:02pm
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Weaselone  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:52:03pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

We could sell it as a tax credit. Everyone gets X per year paid out monthly. Steeper graduated income tax on all income. Also use it as a way to do away with the various other social programs like SS, welfare, food stamps, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:52:18pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:52:57pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

A very plausible explanation for Trump’s bizarre sleeping habits is that he’s exhibiting symptoms of Alzheimer’s. His family has a history of it, he’s at the right age, and he has lots of other symptoms: memory loss, irritability, etc.

We may actually see him have a complete mental breakdown in public at some point. I just hope he’s nowhere near the nuclear football when it happens.

If it happens, hopefully it’s at something minor like greeting a sports team. I wasn’t aware of his family history with the disease.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:53:19pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

We may actually see him have a complete mental breakdown in public at some point. I just hope he’s nowhere near the nuclear football when it happens.

And we tell the difference how?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:53:22pm

re: #117 ObserverArt

Then we fight him too.

I swear Democrats need to make the Republican party own every little quirk, screw-up, lie, fumble, mistake, danger, etc. this Orange Loaf causes.

That goes for Pence, his cabinet, Mitch, Ryan, all of the Republicans. It is what they wanted make ‘em pay for all of it.

Yep, you got it.

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:54:43pm

re: #109 Weaselone

The Democratic platform was so uncompelling that almost three million more people voted for Clinton.

Yes, I know that for operational reasons we need to act as if Wisconsinites are so much more important than Californians, but for the love of god never forget that more American voters, in total, would have preferred a Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:55:23pm

I do agree that there has to be a way to sell our vision in quick sound bites. Maybe the DNC should look to hire some people with a marketing background for messaging. Goddamn, I can’t tell you how many conservatives i know whose first thought is “socialism!” whenever a Dem talks about fair taxes and using that taxed income to benefit the populace.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:55:56pm

re: #122 Interesting Times

And we tell the difference how?

Chewing on the rugs or furniture is a dead giveaway.

It would be interesting to see media both siderists come up with pretzel logic as to how foaming at the mouth and biting the couch cushions is a meaningful response to opposing policy proposals, but I have confidence this challenge can be met.

It’s what they are paid to do and has always been what they are paid to do.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:57:12pm

Having had the …privilege… of watching a family member go through the stages of Alzheimer’s, there is a point where it becomes very apparent even to non-family.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:57:30pm

Two keys for the next party chair) 1) Emphasis of local elections being just as important as national elections and 2) Marketing our message better. Honestly, I don’t know what’s going to happen in 2020 yet.

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Citizen K  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:58:08pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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“How did they kick me out as a national symbol and replace me with a turkey?…I mean, the orange buffoon isn’t even a bird!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:58:35pm

re: #127 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Having had the …privilege… of watching a family member go through the stages of Alzheimer’s, there is a point where it becomes very apparent even to non-family.

My one grandmother had dementia. It was sad to watch since she had helped babysit me when I was a little one. I don’t know what the deal with Trump is or what he has but he’s simply not mentally suited for this office.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:58:46pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Two keys for the next party chair) 1) Emphasis of local elections being just as important as national elections and 2) Marketing our message better. Honestly, I don’t know what’s going to happen in 2020 yet.

LOL you assume we have that long… :/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 5:59:58pm

The other times we inaugurated 69 year olds, the first one died within a month after giving a long ass speech without a coat and the other one was clearly doing what his advisers wanted and definitely had Alheimers for part of his presidency. And I hate to sound ageist but that’s why I wasn’t exactly ready to nominate 75 year old Bernie Sanders.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:00:12pm

re: #124 Donkey With No Name

The Democratic platform was so uncompelling that almost three million more people voted for Clinton.

Yes, I know that for operational reasons we need to act as if Wisconsinites are so much more important for Californians, but for the love of god never forget that more American voters, in total, would have preferred a Democrat.

If this is true

People who think their financial situation is worse than four years ago voted for Trump by an astounding 78-19 margin.

the Democrats have a real problem to deal with that is completely independent of all this electoral college crap.

People who aren’t doing well economically are always going to be hard votes to get for a party’s third term in the presidency, but to lose by that margin is a disgrace.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:00:14pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

LOL you assume we have that long… :/

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:00:39pm

re: #127 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Having had the …privilege… of watching a family member go through the stages of Alzheimer’s, there is a point where it becomes very apparent even to non-family.

Trump is a somewhat unusual case because he has a lot of people around him with vested interests in hiding his cognitive issues. And this actually is even more disturbing, because the point at which it becomes obvious to the whole country may happen when it’s way too late to do anything about it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:03:10pm

Happy Warrior…did you watch the video in my #108? When I mentioned Mayor Pete the other day as a candidate for head of the DNC, you had said you didn’t know of him. Check it out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:03:48pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Happy Warrior…did you watch the video in my #108? When I mentioned Mayor Pete the other day as a candidate for head of the DNC, you had said you didn’t know of him. Check it out.

Watching now, thanks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:03:49pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Trump is a somewhat unusual case because he has a lot of people around him with vested interests in hiding his cognitive issues. And this actually is even more disturbing, because the point at which it becomes obvious to the whole country may happen when it’s way too late to do anything about it.

Sure, but Reagan had this issue too. I suspect if this is going on, Trump is likely further along than Reagan was (although honestly I don’t know because I have no memories of the Reagan presidency).

My great grandmother couldn’t recognize me even with prompting after a few years. There is a point at which they won’t be able to hide it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:04:25pm

Face it, they just didn’t want to have to pay for all the additional prisons they would need, by the end of the month…

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HypnoToad  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:05:44pm

We’ve talked about how republicans have for years carefully insinuated themselves from the bottom up in all levels of elective office. I wonder how many got in by running and acting as democrats in order to vote ‘properly’ on the important stuff when it comes up. Moles as you will…

Just speculating.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:05:54pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:06:35pm

Okay, Art. You sold me. I’m sold on this guy.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:07:58pm

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

There’s a funny law that needed to be repealed. Insulting Trump in German might be very entertaining, since it can all get packed into a single word.

E.g., Schweinhundscheisskopf.

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:08:04pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

People who aren’t doing well economically are always going to be hard votes to get for a party’s third term in the presidency, but to lose by that margin is a disgrace.

Don’t have time at the moment to check the statistics in question: but since Republican voters were more likely to think that they were doing worse under Obama, regardless of the truth, I suspect there’s some selection bias there.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:08:19pm

When you’ve lost British lexicographers…

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:08:52pm

re: #92 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If any of my posts came across as doomy-gloomy, that actually isn’t how I feel. I’m very much in favor of fighting; I just think it has to be the right kind, not repeating mistakes of the past (as, sadly, the 2016 campaign did for Dems). On that note:

Tips, tricks, and scripts to make it easier.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:09:24pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Okay, Art. You sold me. I’m sold on this guy.

He is fresh and he is thinking the way a lot of people want.

I hope Freetoken watches it too as well as every Lizard to see if this is the DNC leader we need to get behind.

I fear his being relatively unknown will be seen as a reason not to check him out and take his bid seriously.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:10:53pm

re: #138 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yep, Reagan had the same issue. But even though his presidency was right wing, it was nowhere near the bad craziness of the Bannon era. If Trump’s mental faculties deteriorate rapidly, the gang of villains enabling him may do some really weird shit to hide it.

America’s in serious trouble. I hate to sound like an alarmist, but this is no joke, and I think people need to be a lot more upset than they are. I strongly disagree with the Balloon Juice post on this; I think it’s a really bad idea to pretend we can all just calm down and wait to see what happens. This shit is happening really fast.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:12:02pm

re: #147 ObserverArt

He is fresh and he is thinking the way a lot of people want.

I hope Freetoken watches it too as well as every Lizard to see if this is the DNC leader we need to get behind.

I fear his being relatively unknown will be seen as a reason not to check him out and take his bid seriously.

Okay a few things that impress me
1) His youth(I googled him immediately, only five years older than me!), 2.) His message (I was really impressed how he wants the party’s message to be about how our policies impact regular people. He doesn’t seem to go overboard with the populist thing but he’s definitely not too corporate and distant too. The way he explained ACA was great, citing his partner’s mother in law. I see he’s a vet too. So yeah, thanks for telling me about him. I hope he does well and we see more of him hopefully as chair and maybe more down the line.

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Moebym  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:13:37pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

And why I worry that Joe Biden will actually run in 2020. I like the guy and think he’d make a fine President, but at that advanced age (77, 78) the intense stress of the job would be ruinous despite his seemingly good health for his age.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:13:58pm

one positive thing about today…it’s Burns Night!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:14:31pm

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:14:46pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:15:02pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Given his track record with lawsuits so far, only an idiot would bet money on him winning this one.

Besides, everyone who signs up with Twitter has to agree to the TOS, so the judge will dismiss the suit outright, perhaps with prejudice.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:15:13pm

Take with a grain of salt:

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:15:28pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Yep, Reagan had the same issue. But even though his presidency was right wing, it was nowhere near the bad craziness of the Bannon era. If Trump’s mental faculties deteriorate rapidly, the gang of villains enabling him may do some really weird shit to hide it.

America’s in serious trouble. I hate to sound like an alarmist, but this is no joke, and I think people need to be a lot more upset than they are. I strongly disagree with the Balloon Juice post on this; I think it’s a really bad idea to pretend we can all just calm down and wait to see what happens. This shit is happening really fast.

This comment from DailyKos seems on-target to me:

The majority of the R’s, particularly those in Congress wanting their wet-dream legislations to be enacted won’t question his sanity, and especially not his kids.

There’s a Woody Allen monologue at the end of Annie Hall, when he talks about a relative that is nuts and thinks she’s a chicken. When asked why he doesn’t get help for her, Allen responds, “I need the eggs.”

The R’s and his kids want the “eggs.” The R’s want enacted legislation and don’t want their agenda de-railed, and the kids want the money that can be made through influence peddling, insider trading, and every other money making scheme that comes close to or is over the line criminality because they are all getting things they couldn’t if he was removed from office.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:16:35pm

re: #150 Moebym

And why I worry that Joe Biden will actually run in 2020. I like the guy and think he’d make a fine President, but at that advanced age (77, 78) the intense stress of the job would be ruinous despite his seemingly good health for his age.

I love Biden too but if I were Jill, Hunter, and Ashley, I’d tell Joe, “You’ve done enough for the country, it’s time for someone new.” And it kills me because I know he would have made a great president but as you say he’d be 77-78 years old. I really think he should just enjoy his retirement with his family. He has nothing left to prove. He’s earned a well deserved retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:17:01pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

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He looks like someone who hasn’t slept.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:17:26pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Take with a grain of salt:

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A good move. To take with a grain of salt that is.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:17:45pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:18:38pm

re: #146 Interesting Times

At the moment my version of the “right way to fight” is the way that I can do and make it through my day.

I’ll work up to the damn phone calls but no amount of script makes them feel surmountable on a day like today.

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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:18:42pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

A good move. To take with a grain of salt that is.

Yes, I’d be very surprised if some of these “alt” accounts didn’t end up being a ratfucking/trolling attempt.

Though I suppose one dead giveaway as to authenticity would be the use of correct grammar/spelling…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:20:55pm

I’m looking at running a half along the Avenue of the Giants in May.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:21:21pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

At the moment my version of the “right way to fight” is the way that I can do and make it through my day.

I’ll work up to the damn phone calls but no amount of script makes them feel surmountable on a day like today.

Just another distance race klys. You’ve learned to pace yourself and work up to it!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:21:23pm

In United States President gives you approval rating.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:23:34pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:25:03pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

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Cheechako  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:29:26pm

I think that most all of us can agree that if thump is to be impeached we should let the Republicans do it. An Article of Impeachment has to be approved by a majority of the House of Representatives and then forwarded to the Senate for trial.

Now comes the interesting part. The Constitution requires that “…no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.”

I would guess it would take most of trumps first year for Congress to get to this stage.

So, what should the Democrats do? Should they vote for trumps impeachment and accept Pence as the new POTUS? This gives Pence a real leg up over any Republican for the 2020 race. Is this better than continuing with trump and hopefully taking back the POTUS in 2020.

Or, should they make the Republicans totally responsible by either abstaining of voting against Impeachment, thus keeping trump in office? To Impeach trump the Republicans will require the help of the Democrats to reach the two thirds requirement.

By the time any Impeachment process comes to pass there won’t be much more for trump to fuck up. Maybe we can live with this result since it keeps Pence out of the top job. Plus, can you imagine how trump would react if the Republicans turn against and then fail. Trump would probably become a Democrat (if they would accept him).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:29:29pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

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Okay, that’s pretty funny. He had a pretty funny ad I think when he ran for President too.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:31:42pm

Twitter mining, the bane of the Trump administration’s existence…

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:33:41pm

re: #167 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:34:46pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

He uses that word “groveling” again. It doesn’t mean what he thinks it means.

“Groveling” is what Hannity does. Trump calls that “fair media”

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:34:55pm

re: #168 Cheechako

If it comes to impeachment, I think the Democrats should require unanimity from Republicans in both the House and Senate as a condition for providing the votes to convict in the Senate. That would set up a 100% bipartisan impeachment and conviction of Trump, which would be a good start on the long road back to sanity.

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:36:16pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Oh, and Trump’s got all this time to go ahead and call for investigations into voter fraud that doesn’t exist, but doesn’t have the time to make disaster declarations to help folks affected by this week’s storms.

Make America retch again.

All you fuckers who thought Trump would help you or people like you? You were conned and you don’t even know it. Or don’t even care (which is worse).

IT DOESN”T MATTER SO LONG AS WERE BETTER OFF THAN THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE!!!!

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:37:28pm

re: #62 Bubblehead II

BTW. How many of you recall that phenomenal called C.B.? Yep, you got your cell phones. But do you have C.B?

Didn’t think so. 27 MHZ, let’s just ignore it..

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Had one when I was a truck driver. Given the extreme limitations of the systems, intentionally buy FCC, that’s really all it’s good for.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:38:44pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:41:47pm

He really is overjoyed at having the power to fuck everyone to death.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:42:15pm

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

He uses that word “groveling” again. It doesn’t mean what he thinks it means.

“Groveling” is what Hannity does. Trump calls that “fair media”

Hannity wishes he could ask Trump his favorite color.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:42:48pm

re: #178 The Vicious Babushka

He really is overjoyed at having the power to fuck everyone to death.

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Doing his hero Ayn proud.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:44:07pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:44:11pm

Later green beings! Keep the pressure on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:45:23pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Doing his hero Ayn proud.

Nobody fucked with Ayn’s Social Security & Medicare.

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EPR-radar  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:45:41pm

re: #178 The Vicious Babushka

Paul Ryan masturbates to pictures of starving children.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:46:13pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

Paul Ryan masturbates to pictures of starving children.

And dying grannies.

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TedStriker  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:46:47pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Hannity wishes he could ask Trump his favorite color.

No, Hannity wishes he could cup Trump’s shriveled balls on national TV while The Orange One tells him that he’s a “great American”…

*retches*

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:46:59pm

Here is a video showing how idiotic is Trump’s claim of a “5 minute standing ovation” from his Clap Team at the CIA.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:47:00pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:47:20pm

Why on earth would the GOP impeach Trump? He’s given the GOP more victories in four days than any Republican administration in history has in its entire term.

By the end of his first six months everything we’ve taken for granted in this country for the last 100 years will be gone, and once the GOP gets their dream Supreme Court all the rest will follow.

Trump plus this GOP are the most dangerous combination of forces this country has faced since its founding. With the Dems continuing to be their normal gutless selves - with a few exceptions like John Lewis - and a fourth estate only interested in ratings, our only hope is for help outside of this country. I have no idea from where, or how, that would occur.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:47:57pm

re: #186 TedStriker

No, Hannity wishes he could cup Trump’s shriveled balls on national TV while The Orange One tells him that he’s a “great American”…

*retches*

Dude!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:49:42pm

Presidente Peña Nieto: Chinga tu pelo

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:49:49pm

RT’ed by Patton Oswalt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:52:36pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:52:57pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:58:04pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 6:58:08pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Presidente Peña Nieto: Chinga tu pelo

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:01:56pm
Disaster: “Trump’s policies toward Iraq.” Video circulating now in social media in Iraq, key partner in US military strategy against ISIS.
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:03:46pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

RT’ed by Patton Oswalt.

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This is the dolchstoss legende of the proto fascist Trump regime.

“Hannah Arendt, in her book The Origin of Totalitarianism, provides a helpful guide for interpreting the language of fascists. She noted how decent liberals of 1930s Germany would “fact check” the Nazis’ bizarre claims about Jews like they were meant to be factual. What they failed to understand, Arendt suggests, is that the Nazi Jew hating was not a statement of fact but a declaration of intent. So when someone would blame the Jews for Germany’s defeat in World War I, naive people would counter by saying there’s no evidence of that. What the Nazis were doing was not describing what was true, but what would have to be true to justify what they planned to do next.
Did 3 million “illegals” cast votes in this election (as Trump tweeted)? Clearly not. But fact checking is just a way of playing along with their game. What Trump is saying is not that 3 million illegals voted. What he’s saying is: I’m going to steal the voting rights of millions of Americans. Fascism is the opposite of conservatism because it refuses to acknowledge reality as a limitation on the scope of human will.”
- Elliot Lusztig

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Skip Intro  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:09:25pm

re: #198 Scottish Dragon

You should repost this in the new thread, and in every thread after until people begin to grasp what’s really going on here and why standard defenses based on facts and logic no longer matter.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:19:44pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a video showing how idiotic is Trump’s claim of a “5 minute standing ovation” from his Clap Team at the CIA.

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I made it to 4:54.

Insanity.

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MsJ  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:26:08pm

re: #178 The Vicious Babushka

Stolded that.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:35:42pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I do agree that there has to be a way to sell our vision in quick sound bites. Maybe the DNC should look to hire some people with a marketing background for messaging. Goddamn, I can’t tell you how many conservatives i know whose first thought is “socialism!” whenever a Dem talks about fair taxes and using that taxed income to benefit the populace.

Remember how proud we were that Hillary’s social media team was right on the ball with tweets and short video clips right after every DT mess up? How quickly we forget how proud we were.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 25, 2017 • 7:42:50pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

The other times we inaugurated 69 year olds, the first one died within a month after giving a long ass speech without a coat and the other one was clearly doing what his advisers wanted and definitely had Alheimers for part of his presidency. And I hate to sound ageist but that’s why I wasn’t exactly ready to nominate 75 year old Bernie Sanders.

After the Democratic convention, my sister said to me that if Bernie were 10 years younger he would have gotten the nomination — and I think she would have supported him.


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