Trump Horror, Day 6: State Dept. Management Quits, Mexico Cancels Meeting, Alex Jones To Get WH Press Creds

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It’s still the early afternoon of day 6 of the Trump Horror, and already the State Department’s entire senior management team has resigned, Mexico’s president canceled his planned visit to Washington over Trump’s idiotic border wall fantasy, and mayors of large US cities are threatening massive lawsuits over Trump’s moves to defund “sanctuary cities.”

Oh… and last but not least, conspiracy-mongering lunatic Alex Jones has been invited to Trump’s White House press briefings.

Media Matters

ALEX JONES: Here’s the deal, I know I get White House credentials, we’ve already been offered them, we’re going to get them, but I’ve just got to spend the money to send somebody there. I want to make sure it’s even worth it. I don’t want to just sit there up there like “I’m in the media, look our people are there.” People don’t understand this paradigm, we’re devolving in a good way, power from the federal government back to the people, back from the centralized MSM [mainstream media] to the people, just like Trump said in his speech.

But there is investigative journalism, or people to interview in DC. Might be good to put a few reporters there, it’s just all a money issue. That’s why it’s important for people who are watching us to know, you are our sponsors. You’re the reason we’re able to do this. You’re the reason we’re able to have the crew and do what we do and change the world.

Speaking to TPM, a White House spokesperson denied that Alex Jones currently has press credentials, which I should note to be completely fair, although I should also note that all of these people who work for Donald Trump lie like priceless Persian rugs on a rich man’s floor.

And note that they denied he currently has press creds, not that he was invited to get them — which is what Jones is claiming.

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428 comments

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:29:31am

I’m getting too old for this shit.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:30:52am

How the fuck do we have come to a point where 9/11 Truthers (who were mocked and vilified relentlessly by Republicans and the entire right-wing blogosphere during the Bush administration) are now equipped with White House press credentials???

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:32:00am

Oh, and Mexico’s president canceled their planned meeting with Trump next week:

Umm…. Mexico shit canned the meeting because of the #FUCKINGWALL.

This was not mutually agreed upon because scheduling conflicts or that there was something important/higher priority. The Mexican government is flat out of fucks to give Trump the time of day because he’s a bigot who’s pushing for a wall and renegotiating NAFTA that requires Canada and Mexico to actually agree to renegotiate (hint, they have no interest since it benefits them and the US).

Posturing, BS, and more preening. This is all Trump ego and ignorance on display.

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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:32:26am

re: #2 electrotek

Apparently reality itself took the brown acid.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:32:35am

Re: InfoWars. Not sure if it was covered last thread, but:

Not that I wouldn’t put it past this WH to float credentials for InfoWars as a “trial balloon” and to backtrack on it given the backlash, but it’s just as likely Jones made it up.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:34:25am

TPM categorizing now as the officials were fired—their pro forma resignations were accepted.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:35:10am

Speaking to TPM, a White House spokesperson denied that Alex Jones currently has press credentials, which I should note to be completely fair, although I should also note that all of these people who work for Donald Trump lie like priceless Persian rugs on a rich man’s floor.

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nines09  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:35:26am

re: #5 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Re: InfoWars. Not sure if it was covered last thread, but:

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Not that I wouldn’t put it past this WH to float credentials for InfoWars as a “trial balloon” and to backtrack on it given the backlash, but it’s just as likely Jones made it up.

When I see a photo of Alex Jones I think of a cancer cell given a human form.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:36:17am

Head of the Border Patrol also resigned this morning.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:37:14am

re: #5 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Not that I wouldn’t put it past this WH to float credentials for InfoWars as a “trial balloon” and to backtrack on it given the backlash, but it’s just as likely Jones made it up.

I think it’s more likely to be true. Trump himself and all the people in Trump’s inner circle, including his family members, are tight with Alex Jones.

This is going to happen, sooner or later. Probably sooner.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:37:57am
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:37:59am

White House Denies Giving Alex Jones Press Credentials (goes to The Hill)

The White House press office is denying it offered credentials to conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’s website Infowars, after Jones claimed in a video that he had been offered access.

“He is not credentialed for the White House. The White House Press Office has not offered him credentials,” White House deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders told BuzzFeed on Thursday morning.

Jones on Wednesday posted a video claiming the White House offered him credentials.

“Here’s the deal, I know I get White House credentials, we’ve already been offered them, we’re going to get them, but I’ve just got to spend the money to send somebody there,” Jones says in the clip.

“I want to make sure it’s even worth it. I don’t want to just sit there up there like ‘I’m in the media, look our people are there.’”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:39:15am

re: #11 jaunte

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Yep still an awful hack.

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:40:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:40:31am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:41:40am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:42:01am

re: #11 jaunte

Can’t wait for that to open so I can not go to it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:42:21am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:42:23am

re: #12 Anymouse

They’re saying he doesn’t have press credentials YET. And Jones didn’t claim he had them - he said he’d been invited, but hadn’t yet gotten the credentials.

These are weasel words. Alex Jones is going to get press creds, I have absolutely no doubt.

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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:42:51am

re: #14 Kragar

It’s a 17th solution for a 21st century… um, what’s the opposite of “problem”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:43:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:43:30am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:43:35am

He is basically refuting his own “victory”:

ABC News Politics ‏@ABCPolitics
Pres. Donald Trump: “We also need to keep the ballot box safe from illegal voting.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:44:24am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: It turns out Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner is also registered to vote in two states washingtonpost.com

— Matea Gold

So?

Landslide Donald claims that’s a sign of voter fraud.

No he didn’t. Fake news.

No, actually he really did, in this interview with ABC…

False flag, ABC is corrupt, doctored video tape and transcripts. I get my news straight and truthful from the prez himself. Get lost libtard snowflake.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:45:12am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump just said he considered leaving Obamacare as-is so it would be a political albatross for Dems in 2018.

— Maggie Haberman

Bwwwwwaaaaaah.

GOPers in congress won’t allow that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:45:45am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:46:30am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

He is basically refuting his own “victory”:

The electoral vote cannot be faked or cheated on. Duh. He only means the popular vote which is all fake where DT didn’t win.

///

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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:47:30am
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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:47:41am
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:47:46am

Yeah, what do nuclear scientists know about the geopolitics (particularly the ones who are involved in setting the doomsday clock - which is based on geopolitics).

These assclowns.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:48:31am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:49:10am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:49:29am

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:49:39am

But at least they won’t be thrown off rooftops for being gay

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mmmirele  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:51:08am

I noticed on the last post that garbage trucks were used to protect the short-fingered vulgarian from the protesters. That reminded me of Scientology, which has this bad habit of blocking off protesters from the view of its “parishioners” and “Chairman of the Board” David Miscavige.

Back around 2000, we were having our annual picket and memorial for the death of Lisa McPherson in Clearwater, and Scientology rented every single van and truck it could get its hands on to park on the sidewalks around the Fort Harrison Hotel. One of our number rented a pickup and found a spot not far from cult central and we had “party in the pickup” for the weekend.

Lest you think that was extreme, it wasn’t. Another time in the same period, Miscavige ordered his people to get permits to tear up the sidewalks so we couldn’t walk on them. We drove around and around in cars. This stuff always backfires.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:51:42am

re: #34 electrotek

Remember when Peter Thiel told us that Trump was going to be great for gay rights?

If Islamists are killing gays, he will come out as a champion of gay rights, at least until he is finished with the Islamists..

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:51:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:51:51am
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:52:39am

re: #34 electrotek

That’s as we have come to learn that Thiel got himself dual citizenship with New Zealand. Yeah, help turn the US into a cripple, escape to the Shire and then return to scoop up the remains at bargain prices.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:52:48am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Islamists are killing gays, he will come out as a champion of gay rights, at least until he is finished with the Islamists..

I don’t see him becoming a champion for gay rights when it comes to homosexuals being targeted in Russia and Brazil.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:53:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:54:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:54:57am

re: #40 electrotek

I don’t see him becoming a champion for gay rights when it comes to homosexuals being targeted in Russia and Brazil.

Actively oppressing US gays is probably pretty low on his list of priorities…which is why he has Mike Pence to take care of such secondary matters.

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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:55:26am

re: #35 mmmirele

You and your experience are of enormous value.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:55:27am
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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:55:36am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:56:17am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:57:20am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

Phily is a catastrophe. Just now there are all these ugly garbage trucks all lined up outside.

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:57:41am
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:57:41am

re: #33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:57:47am
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:57:51am

I’ll again remind folks that Trump’s lying his ass off about the wall, and also that most of the wall is already built. There will never be a wall along all 2,000 miles, not when a significant portion of the border is the Rio Grande River and the treaty between the US and Mexico is specific about that and what that constitutes. If the US would build a fence along those sections, it would have to be on the US side inland - sometimes significantly so to avoid high water/flood levels, and that also means effectively losing ground to Mexico.

It would also potentially separate private land owners from their land that abuts the border.

It would also come into conflict with at least one Tribe that has land adjacent to the border.

Never mind that much of the unfenced border is in inaccessible and difficult terrain and would be easily circumvented by a rope (as Trump himself admits).

Oh, and most illegals actually entered the country legally but have since overstayed their visas. Majority aren’t coming as a result of crossing the border at places other than border control points.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:58:24am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

Damn, Woke Bill Kristol is Woke.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:58:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:58:47am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

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Man this ain’t good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:59:13am

re: #52 lawhawk

The Wall is a symbol of our National Resolve.

Just ask any East German.

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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:59:21am

re: #46 I cannot.

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It’s working:

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:59:23am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Actively oppressing US gays is probably pretty low on his list of priorities…which is why he has Mike Pence to take care of such secondary matters.

Is there any wonder why that piece of shit Thiel requested NZ citizenship?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 10:59:51am
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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:00:33am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

Goddamn…this is how fucked the world is…BILL KRISTOL HAS BEEN RIGHT ABOUT MORE THAN ONE THING IN THE PAST *MONTH*,

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:01:04am

re: #49 Kragar

Whose paying for it? I’m betting Donald Trump or one of his flunkies. He has to have the prettiest, the smartest, the (fill in the blank with a superlative).

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:01:17am

re: #50 Anymouse

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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:02:09am

re: #49 Kragar

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I just got an email from Our-nation dot com, asking me to sign a petition to abolish income tax. Not exactly sure how I made it onto that list.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #58 electrotek

Is there any wonder why that piece of shit Thiel requested NZ citizenship?

I thought he was going to set up his very own country in the middle of the ocean (like in the Pacific Gyre Floating Garbage Pile)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:02:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:04:01am
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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:04:48am

re: #52 lawhawk

It would also come into conflict with at least one Tribe that has land adjacent to the border.

The tribe is the Tohono O’odham. They straddle the border.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:04:49am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:04:49am

re: #30 lawhawk

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Yeah, what do nuclear scientists know about the geopolitics (particularly the ones who are involved in setting the doomsday clock - which is based on geopolitics).

These assclowns.

Just found out the assclown snowflake blocked me.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:05:20am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Yes, I know this guy is going to come at me with some ridiculous derp now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:05:27am
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Arkansawyer  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:05:48am

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I thought he was going to set up his very own country in the middle of the ocean (like in the Pacific Gyre Floating Garbage Pile)

My libertarian friend is gung-ho about that floating city. When he asked me if I’d hypothetically move there, my only response was “that’s almost the exact plot of the Bioshock games, so no I would not”

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:06:06am

OT: Village water tower crisis finally averted.

The village clerk got back to town with the pump house key (we really need to get more than one of those). The gun shop owner (the fellow I defeated in the last election by four votes) is trained to work on things with the water panel (such as setting and clearing tests). He went in and cleared out the test.

The ex-mayor was already driving by the village shop (where the panel is) considering whether he would just take care of it himself (since he has no keys, that would mean doing something like breaking in). He was really getting tired of being called by the water tower automated alarm every twenty-six minutes for the better part of half a day.

Next up, learning how to program that panel to update the numbers. Our late village clerk is the only one who knew how to do that; the gun shop owner pointed out on the phone to me “You were in the military, you should be used to someone throwing a five-hundred page manual at you and saying ‘learn this.’”

(I get the impression that figuring out how to reprogramme the alarm system is going to be my job.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:06:07am
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b.d.  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:06:21am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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For the love of God, the US can’t even get its registered voters to vote, let alone twice.

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:07:12am

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

Trump can’t wait to nuke something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:07:27am

re: #67 wrenchwench

The tribe is the Tohono O’odham. They straddle the border.

Easy. Just build a wall around the entire reservation.

/

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:07:56am

re: #63 BeachDem

I just got an email from Our-nation dot com, asking me to sign a petition to abolish income tax. Not exactly sure how I made it onto that list.

Because they are aware you wish to protect your vast billions from greedy rapacious government officials taking your money at the point of a gun? /s

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:07:56am

re: #34 electrotek

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But at least they won’t be thrown off rooftops for being gay

That’s on Pence’s to-do list after Trump gets the boot.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:08:17am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:08:22am

Have had it up to here with my Johnson/Stein protest voting “friends”.

“WE ARE SO FUCKED!!!!” they keep saying.

Yeah. No shit. And I blame you guys in big part. Emails don’t seem like such a bad thing now, do they?

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:08:31am

re: #75 b.d.

For the love of God, the US can’t even get its registered voters to vote, let alone twice.

As of now, we’ve got a short list of those who in Trump’s cabal of cronies who are registered in two places:

Bannon
Mnuchin
Tiffany Trump
Priebus
and…. drumroll:
Jared Kushner.

Yeah, didn’t see that coming. Everything Trump says others are doing are the very things his administration does in spades.

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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:09:02am

re: #78 Anymouse

Because they are aware you wish to protect your vast billions from greedy rapacious government officials taking your money at the point of a gun? /s

That must be it!

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:09:41am

re: #39 lawhawk

That’s as we have come to learn that Thiel got himself dual citizenship with New Zealand. Yeah, help turn the US into a cripple, escape to the Shire and then return to scoop up the remains at bargain prices.

I still like the idea of a post-collapse US finding the resources to send goodwill ambassadors to the likes of Peter Thiel.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:10:11am

re: #81 GlutenFreeJesus

Have had it up to here with my Johnson/Stein protest voting “friends”.

“WE ARE SO FUCKED!!!!” they keep saying.

Yeah. No shit. And I blame you guys in big part. Emails don’t seem like such a bad thing now, do they?

I’m having trouble blaming them now, but if you guys can help me understand that would be greatly appreciated.

Since Hillary clearly won the popular vote by a wide margin, can we logically continue to blame Johnson/Stein voters for the outcome? Especially when the EC was tilted in Trump’s favor anyways.

I appreciate any clarification about this because this has got me thinking. I would rather not lash out at them if they can’t technically be blamed for how the election turned out.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:10:40am

re: #80 FormerDirtDart

Newt wants a new wife, and this one just won’t get cancer.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:11:40am

Afternoon Lizards. Have an OT Twitter question. I can no longer embed tweets or block tweets. That button has gone away. Any ideas?

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:11:49am

re: #85 electrotek

The states that Clinton could have won to put her over the edge had > 10K going to Stein and Johnson in each of those states.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:11:51am

Actual quote…..

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:11:53am
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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:12:18am

re: #87 Bubblehead II

Afternoon Lizards. Have an OT Twitter question. I can no longer embed tweets or block tweets. That button has gone away. Any ideas?

They put a little down arrow next to each tweet. Click on it.

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sagehen  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:12:51am
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Teukka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:12:54am

Oh wow… 2017 is looking to be a far worse year than 2016, and that year sucked pretty hard (think professional vacuum system).
*dons flak jacket and helmet*
*memorizes location of shrapnel and fallout shelters nearby*

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Bubblehead II  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:13:26am

re: #91 Belafon

They put a little down arrow next to each tweet. Click on it.

Thank you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:13:50am

re: #85 electrotek

I’m having trouble blaming them now, but if you guys can help me understand that would be greatly appreciated.

Since Hillary clearly won the popular vote by a wide margin, can we logically continue to blame Johnson/Stein voters for the outcome? Especially when the EC was tilted in Trump’s favor anyways.

I appreciate any clarification about this because this has got me thinking. I would rather not lash out at them if they can’t technically be blamed for how the election turned out.

There were more votes cast for Jill Stein in MI, WI & PA than the margin won by Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:13:54am

re: #63 BeachDem

I just got an email from Our-nation dot com, asking me to sign a petition to abolish income tax. Not exactly sure how I made it onto that list.

Check the fine print on things like this. If it’s a petition to repeal the 16th amendment, you should know that the practical effect of passage of the 16th amendment was that income from rent, dividends etc. could be taxed. Income from wages was taxable before and after passage of the 16th amendment.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:15:02am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

There were more votes cast for Jill Stein in MI, WI & PA than the margin won by Trump.

Got it.

My knowledge of the EC is extremely rusty so I apologize if I’m beating a dead horse with this discussion.

How would those votes for that moonbat affected the EC outcome, if the popular vote overall went to Hillary?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:15:02am

re: #89 Dr. Matt

Actual quote…..

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But was it bigger than the standing ovation given to Stalin?

Stalin Clapping Test

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:15:55am

re: #97 electrotek

Got it.

My knowledge of the EC is extremely rusty so I apologize if I’m beating a dead horse with this discussion.

How would those votes for that moonbat affected the EC outcome, if the popular vote overall went to Hillary?

The overall popular vote is across all states. The EC is determined by votes within each state.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:16:38am

re: #97 electrotek

Got it.

My knowledge of the EC is extremely rusty so I apologize if I’m beating a dead horse with this discussion.

How would those votes for that moonbat affected the EC outcome, if the popular vote overall went to Hillary?

Trump actually won by a margin of <80K votes across 3 states.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:17:18am

re: #97 electrotek

Got it.

My knowledge of the EC is extremely rusty so I apologize if I’m beating a dead horse with this discussion.

How would those votes for that moonbat affected the EC outcome, if the popular vote overall went to Hillary?

If the people who voted for Stein in the close states had gone for Clinton, she would have won them, collected the EVs for those states, and won the presidency. Popular vote in the whole US doesn’t win you the election; the popular vote in each state determines who wins that states EVs.

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:17:31am

re: #85 electrotek

3rd party voters in the critical states absolutely share in the blame for the election result. 3rd party voters elsewhere aren’t directly guilty, but their actions were and remain unhelpful.

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:18:01am

re: #93 Teukka

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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:18:22am

re: #85 electrotek

Only blame the JillShills and BernieBros in three states. The rest are goobers, but they weren’t the ones that fucked the world over

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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:18:57am

re: #97 electrotek

Got it.

My knowledge of the EC is extremely rusty so I apologize if I’m beating a dead horse with this discussion.

How would those votes for that moonbat affected the EC outcome, if the popular vote overall went to Hillary?

I don’t bother getting into the weeds with numbers. That’s a diversion. I stick to the FACT that a vote for any other but Hillary in the election was a vote for Trump because she was the only candidate who stood between him and us.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:18:58am

Charles. Wonder if there’s a tweak you can make.

This has to do with Tweets posted with images. When clicking the image button, it brings up the image in a pop-up window. Saving the pic that way always adds a -large suffix to the end of the .jpg file name. I have to manually go to my download folder and delete the -large suffix so I can share/post it anywhere.

Using Chrome.

Unless there’s a setting on my side I’m missing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:19:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:19:36am

re: #85 electrotek

Since Hillary clearly won the popular vote by a wide margin, can we logically continue to blame Johnson/Stein voters for the outcome? Especially when the EC was tilted in Trump’s favor anyways.

I appreciate any clarification about this because this has got me thinking. I would rather not lash out at them if they can’t technically be blamed for how the election turned out.

It would apply specifically to the Johnston/Stein voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania…count the margins there vs the third-party votes cast.

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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:20:36am

re: #89 Dr. Matt

Actual quote…..

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Charles P. Pierce asks the questions:

Where do you begin? First of all—and I can’t believe I’m asking these questions on the merits—what appearance by Peyton Manning is he talking about? Did Peyton Manning address CIA personnel at some point after winning the Super Bowl? (Trump may have burped up with the name because Manning is going to join him at the GOP retreat in Philadelphia this week. I’m just guessing here. Who the fck really knows?) And who are “they” who are devising the metrics to determine the “biggest standing ovation”?

esquire.com

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:20:50am

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

re: #101 Belafon

re: #104 I cannot.

re: #105 allegro

Appreciate the responses. Now I have a much better understanding of the impact now (whereas post-election I was too angry and lashed out at anybody who voted 3rd party more than those who voted Trump). I’m only angry at the 3rd party voters in the 3 states that helped tipped the election in Pumpkin Pinochet’s favor.

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:21:02am

re: #105 allegro

I don’t bother getting into the weeds with numbers. That’s a diversion. I stick to the FACT that a vote for any other but Hillary in the election was a vote for Trump because she was the only candidate who stood between him and us.

Sensible enough. It’s also true that a 3rd party vote in CA remains reprehensible, even though such votes didn’t have an effect on the CA electoral votes.

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Teukka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:21:24am

re: #103 Kragar

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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:21:49am

re: #105 allegro

I don’t bother getting into the weeds with numbers. That’s a diversion. I stick to the FACT that a vote for any other but Hillary in the election was a vote for Trump because she was the only candidate who stood between him and us.

And, it’s not just the votes, but all the campaigning that preceded it.

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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:22:58am
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BeachDem  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:23:01am

re: #96 EPR-radar

Check the fine print on things like this. If it’s a petition to repeal the 16th amendment, you should know that the practical effect of passage of the 16th amendment was that income from rent, dividends etc. could be taxed. Income from wages was taxable before and after passage of the 16th amendment.

I have no intention of signing the petition—just wondering how I got on their list in the first place (i.e. who is selling their lists to nutballs.)

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:24:15am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It would apply specifically to the Johnston/Stein voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania…count the margins there vs the third-party votes cast.

It doesn’t seem very likely that a Johnson voter who did not have Johnson to choose had he not run would have instead voted for Clinton.

And of the three people Johnson got in my village, I know my wife had something to do with that (plumping Johnson to GOP voters as an alternative to Trump as none of those three would have voted for Clinton).

I can’t figure out who the two people who voted for Stein here are though.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:24:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:24:31am

re: #113 wrenchwench

And, it’s not just the votes, but all the campaigning that preceded it.

And the ratfucking by Wikileaks, Putin & Comey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:24:32am
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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:26:18am

re: #111 EPR-radar

Sensible enough. It’s also true that a 3rd party vote in CA remains reprehensible, even though such votes didn’t have an effect on the CA electoral votes.

Yes. IMO it’s less the effect a specific vote had on the total in any given state and more the intent of that vote by the one who cast it. Those who did not vote for the only option that protected us from Trump/GOP - as well as those who didn’t vote at all - own the current situation. Complaints from them now are too late, too bad. They do not have that right.

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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:27:31am

re: #113 wrenchwench

And, it’s not just the votes, but all the campaigning that preceded it.

So much this.

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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:27:34am

re: #110 electrotek

Appreciate the responses. Now I have a much better understanding of the impact now (whereas post-election I was too angry and lashed out at anybody who voted 3rd party more than those who voted Trump). I’m only angry at the 3rd party voters in the 3 states that helped tipped the election in Pumpkin Pinochet’s favor.

I’m still mad at all of ‘em, and all the lefties who are anti-GMO and worried about Smart Meters and those kind of non-concerns and think the whole establishment should be taken down by anybody who can do it. But I have anger management problems and can’t think about any of them too much.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:27:41am

re: #106 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles. Wonder if there’s a tweak you can make.

This has to do with Tweets posted with images. When clicking the image button, it brings up the image in a pop-up window. Saving the pic that way always adds a -large suffix to the end of the .jpg file name. I have to manually go to my download folder and delete the -large suffix so I can share/post it anywhere.

Using Chrome.

Unless there’s a setting on my side I’m missing…

That ‘:large’ suffix has be there, in order to get Twitter to show the large version of the image instead of a small thumbnail, so I can’t remove it. However, if you save the image to your Image Library instead of downloading it to your computer, that suffix will be removed in your Image Library.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:27:53am

re: #120 allegro

Yes. IMO it’s less the effect a specific vote had on the total in any given state and more the intent of that vote by the one who cast it. Those who did not vote for the only option that protected us from Trump/GOP - as well as those who didn’t vote at all - own the current situation. Complaints from them now are too late, too bad. They do not have that right.

I want to hear what they’re going to do to make it better. And no, starting a new party isn’t going to work.

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Arkansawyer  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:27:59am

OT, but the Satanic Temple is doing an excellent job of trolling one of our more douchey State Senators, Jason Rapert. He wants a 10 Commandments monument on the Capitol grounds, so they applied to erect a statue of Baphomet. It has now advanced to a public hearing.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:28:55am

re: #125 Arkansawyer

OT, but the Satanic Temple is doing an excellent job of trolling on of our more douchey State Senators, Jason Rapert. He wants a 10 Commandments monument on the Capitol grounds, so they applied to erect a statue of Baphomet. It has now advanced to a public hearing.

Pesky freedom of religion, how does it work?

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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:29:24am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

And the ratfucking by Wikileaks, Putin & Comey.

BUT DID THEY HACK ACTUAL VOTING MACHINES?!?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:29:33am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:29:44am

Love the meme feature

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:30:20am
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:31:45am

re: #122 wrenchwench

I’m still mad at all of ‘em, and all the lefties who are anti-GMO and worried about Smart Meters and those kind of non-concerns and think the whole establishment should be taken down by anybody who can do it. But I have anger management problems and can’t think about any of them too much.

I am not opposed to GMO’s per se. I am opposed to patenting genes and making them proprietary information. (For example, the BRCA breast cancer gene tests that are owned by one company that can charge a fortune for the tests, or corn developed that cannot reproduce and is resistant to broad spectrum pesticides and herbicides so they spray lots and lots of both on the corn - live here, see it every year).

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Arkansawyer  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:32:16am

re: #126 Anymouse

Pesky freedom of religion, how does it work?

Rapert deserves all the grief in the world. He called his opponent “boy” during one of their debates. And that is the least messed up thing he’s done. He’s now arguing that he will not accept medical marijuana being legalized if people are allowed to smoke it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:32:39am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Excellent. Thank you!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:33:01am

Virginia police are now warning about the scheme, which also sparked warnings by Pennsylvania authorities late last year. The “can you hear me” con is actually a variation on earlier scams aimed at getting the victim to say the word “yes” in a phone conversation. That affirmative response is recorded by the fraudster and used to authorize unwanted charges on a phone or utility bill or on a purloined credit card.

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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:33:16am

re: #127 Unshaken Defiance

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I really love that kid. LOL

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:33:24am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why would they have thought that? They serve him now.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:33:37am

re: #134 Arkansawyer

Rapert deserves all the grief in the world. He called his opponent “boy” during one of their debates. And that is the least messed up thing he’s done. He’s now arguing that he will not accept medial marijuana being legalized if people are allowed to smoke it.

But did he take a state owned computer out of state to masturbate to his on-line sex partner who is not his wife? That would seem to be the level necessary to shame the GOP enough to oust one of their own now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:34:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:35:25am
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wrenchwench  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:36:01am

re: #133 Anymouse

I am not opposed to GMO’s per se. I am opposed to patenting genes and making them proprietary information. (For example, the BRCA breast cancer gene tests that are owned by one company that can charge a fortune for the tests, or corn developed that cannot reproduce and is resistant to broad spectrum pesticides and herbicides so they spray lots and lots of both on the corn - live here, see it every year).

That’s different. You are smart enough to lift and separate the two issues.

/sorry for the Maidenform reference

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:36:32am

he is just so full of shit

Trump speaking at Republican retreat says he wants pipeline material for #KeystoneXL and #DAPL made in America

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:36:41am

All these resignations (i.e. border patrol guy)… I don’t feel good about it. They are leaving these positions open for Trump to fill them…

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Arkansawyer  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:36:47am

re: #139 Anymouse

But did he take a state owned computer out of state to masturbate to his on-line sex partner who is not his wife? That would seem to be the level necessary to shame the GOP enough to oust one of their own now.

Wouldn’t surprise me. The man has no shame. He told a constituent who’d questioned him about some proposed legislation while at Home Depot that the guy was lucky he wasn’t carrying his pistol that day.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:37:22am

GOP Operation End Times in full swing.

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:37:57am

Yeah, there’s that reset of the Middle East peace process that we were told Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner could solve through their best negotiating skills and insights.

PA threatening to toss Oslo onto a bonfire.

Gotta give the PA credit for threatening to do the same exact thing that Trump’s threatening to do with all US treaties.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:38:32am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is just so full of shit

Free market. Market forces. Freedom agenda.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:39:12am
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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:39:38am

re: #144 GlutenFreeJesus

All these resignations (i.e. border patrol guy)… I don’t feel good about it. They are leaving these positions open for Trump to fill them…

They’re not “resigning” in the sense that you would resign from your job. They’re resigning in the way The West Wing portrayed: Every official appointed by the previous administration is expected to retire, and the administration normally asks for them to stay on. Trump just isn’t. If they didn’t “retire”, they’d just be fired, which is some of what we’re going to see.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:40:09am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:40:37am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:41:24am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fox News Health?

I’m having trouble processing that one.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:41:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:43:29am

sigh….

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DuckDharma  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:43:46am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember that it was Al Franken that introduced amendments to the pipeline legislation in 2015 that US steel must be used. GOP blocked. It’s just a fucking game to these people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:44:28am
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:44:33am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:46:24am

I’ve been seeing people sending out Spicer’s ‘butt tweets” for a couple days now

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DuckDharma  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:46:56am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s funny to throw this in his face but more people really needed to see that trainwreck to know what deep, deep shit we’re in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:48:35am

BBC BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump says he will handle trade deal with @theresa_may himself because he doesn’t have a commerce secretary

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Tigger2  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:49:10am
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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:49:27am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:50:32am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Lots of paid applause and laughter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:51:34am

Any trade agreements that Trump negotiates using his mad “Dealmaking Superpowerzzzz” will result in his LUNCH BEING EATED

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:51:52am

Theresa May suggests UK health services could be part of US trade deal

Theresa May has left the door open for the greater involvement of US corporations in British healthcare as she arrives in America to lay the groundwork for a future trade deal.
independent.co.uk

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Citizen K  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:53:25am

FFFFffff-

Managed to get to a staffer at Sen. Booker’s office and my Rep.’s, but Menendez’s lines and voicemail are clogged apparently.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:53:41am

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

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Also from Jasmin Mujanovic:

Breitbart actively spreading disinformation in GER, FRN elxns. Berlin, Paris will rightly perceive admin as sabotaging their democracies.

Forget any of the ppl who’ve undergone Congressional hearings “reining in Trump.” Real power is in extremist inner circle, Bannon et al.

Whatever we think of Mattis, Tillerson, recognize that their pull will be minimal. They’ll either follow (dangerous) orders or be ejected.

The emerging state of US politics appears to be: individual US states, Dems, IC, US allies vs WH, “fellow traveler” Congress, and Russia.

If this conflict persists, i.e. if Trump serves full term and/or GOP continues his agenda, US is heading twds de facto “regime collapse.”

Forget about decimating US influence in the world, this scenario undermines continuation of US constitutional govt at home.

Dissolution of YUG, USSR suggests when govt systems breakdown, virtually impossible to put together again. This is an early stage now…

…but rate at which POTUS is dismantling US norms, institutions and alliances is alarming. May be genuinely be irreversible, esp alliances.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:54:07am

also indicated by bad hair, tiny hands, and overly large ill-fitting suits…

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I cannot.  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:54:13am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Well, I just hope he negotiates the deal with Britain first, cause it seems like this 241 year Great Experiment is a bust, he’ll negotiate us back to being a colony.

But the biggest, most tremendous colony.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:54:39am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

BBC BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump says he will handle trade deal with @theresa_may himself because he doesn’t have a commerce secretary

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That ought to go about as well as his casino in Atlantic City.

Theresa May might be a Tory, but she isn’t stupid: she is a shrewd politician. Trump is clueless.

I’m sure that the pro-trade folk in the GOP would just love whatever he claimed to come up with /s

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:56:05am

These fuckers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:56:34am

re: #162 Tigger2

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That’s a big problem.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:57:06am

re: #172 lawhawk

These fuckers.

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You’re not pro life nor have you ever been HF, stop lying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:57:37am
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:58:11am

re: #172 lawhawk

These fuckers.

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Obamacare is their damn plan.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:58:49am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Including Trump’s own daughter and top advisers and probably some of your own. FO you shitheads.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:58:50am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:58:59am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

BBC BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump says he will handle trade deal with @theresa_may himself because he doesn’t have a commerce secretary

Is our trade deal with Britain expiring? Didn’t realize we actually had a particular trade deal with Britain.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 11:59:39am

re: #176 Anymouse

Obamacare is their damn plan.

So have a lot of gun safety bills been the BRA. Dishonesty doesn’t seem to bother them either.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:00:06pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this more of the “people are registered in more than one state” stuff?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:01:02pm

A small drop of good news from somewhere==>

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:01:26pm

re: #181 Sir John Barron

Yup, which by itself is not evidence of fraud except to Trump.

Now that his cabal of cronies is full of people registered in two places, that just makes the irony all the more delicious but don’t expect a walkback. It’ll be a double down claiming that it’s still proof of voter fraud.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:02:15pm
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:04:07pm
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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:04:43pm

He’s quickly losing short term memory

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:05:29pm

re: #181 Sir John Barron

Is this more of the “people are registered in more than one state” stuff?

yep

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calochortus  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:05:57pm

re: #185 lawhawk

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Can’t wait to see Trump wearing a pink hanbok.
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Arkansawyer  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:06:46pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

So have a lot of gun safety bills been the BRA. Dishonesty doesn’t seem to bother them either.

Friend of a friend was railing one night against the “cartoon eagle” used to teach kids about gun safety. He was quite upset that we were “pussifying” our kids to be afraid of guns. He refused to belive that the “carton eagle” was in fact Eddie Eagle, the NRA safety cartoon, until I showed him proof on my phone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:06:58pm
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Jack Burton  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:07:58pm

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

No matter what they say, until this happens multiple years in a row, the conservation issues with the Delta Smelt are resolved, and the San Joaquin Valley farms stop using neolithic irrigation techniques, the drought is not “knocked out”.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:08:32pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart

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Doesn’t have the blue checkmark.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:09:31pm

re: #166 jaunte

Theresa May suggests UK health services could be part of US trade deal

Someone needs to post the Russell Crowe Gladiator “Are you not entertained?” gif.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:10:23pm

GOP Congressmen & @realDonaldTrump @POTUS blame Democrats for Chicago violence then laugh about it. They are joking about people dying

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MsJ  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:10:25pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:12:02pm

Bannon then states that the media is the opposition party - all while bringing Breitbart extremists into the government. Yeah, there’s some seriously Orwellian crap going on here. Heck, Orwell wants his name back. He couldn’t conceive of what the Trump/GOP is doing right now.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:12:36pm

Let’s see, “destabilized Balkans”…. where could that go wrong?

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:13:52pm

re: #181 Sir John Barron

Is this more of the “people are registered in more than one state” stuff?

Heritage Foundation apparently down with disenfranchising thousands of military members who get orders to another state. Good to know they support the military just as much as other conservatives do.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:14:32pm

re: #186 jaunte

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He’s quickly losing short term memory

Doesn’t matter to Steve Bannon.

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b.d.  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:14:53pm

re: #196 lawhawk

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Bannon then states that the media is the opposition party - all while bringing Breitbart extremists into the government. Yeah, there’s some seriously Orwellian crap going on here. Heck, Orwell wants his name back. He couldn’t conceive of what the Trump/GOP is doing right now.

Bannon thinks so little of the spineless dems that he doesn’t even acknowledge them as an opposition party.

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:14:59pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:16:23pm

re: #33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:16:46pm

re: #196 lawhawk

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Bannon then states that the media is the opposition party - all while bringing Breitbart extremists into the government. Yeah, there’s some seriously Orwellian crap going on here. Heck, Orwell wants his name back. He couldn’t conceive of what the Trump/GOP is doing right now.

Bannon and Brietbart are going to try to take down the German and French goverments next with their Macedonian troll bots.

I saw yesterday in the NYT that Angela Merkle’s govt has been trying to establish communication with the Trump admin and so far has failed. No Ambassador in Germany now, no calls returned.

We have become the bad guys in the movies.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:17:11pm
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Jack Burton  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:17:12pm

re: #197 jaunte

Let’s see, “destabilized Balkans”…. where could that go wrong?

Ossetia -> Rheinland
Crimea -> Austria
East Ukraine -> Sudetenland
Balkans -> perhaps Poland?

It’s a good thing we have the modern day William Dudley Pelley running things over here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:17:45pm

Pres. Trump: “We also need to keep the ballot box safe from illegal voting…we are going to defend the votes of the American citizen.”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:17:56pm

re: #201 Kragar

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Trump won’t do it. His daughter and son in law will be in the room negotiating it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:19:43pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:19:53pm

re: #179 Sir John Barron

Is our trade deal with Britain expiring? Didn’t realize we actually had a particular trade deal with Britain.

Its part of Trump’s strategy to negotiate bilateral deals with countries instead of big, multi-national deals like the TPP. And May needs to show she can make good trade deals for the UK to make up for losing free market access to the EU.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:20:37pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So this is our version of the Reichstag Fire and the dolchstoss “stabbed in the back” myth that will used to persecute anyone with brown skin.

Do we get say the ‘fascism’ word yet?

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:21:10pm

The top five sources of U.S. crude oil imports for October [2016] were Canada (3.2 million b/d), Saudi Arabia (1.0 million b/d), Venezuela (724,000 b/d), Mexico (555,000 b/d), and Iraq (508,000 b/d).
eia.gov

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:22:40pm

re: #211 jaunte

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Just to be clear, tariffs are a tax increase on middle class American consumers.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:23:00pm

Once again, Trump shoots off his mouth and the US consumer picks up the tab.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:23:29pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:23:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:24:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:26:01pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:27:29pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Chicago” is dog whistle for “Ni-CLANG”

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Cheechako  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:28:00pm

Mexico needs to shut down their side of the border for commercial traffic for a couple of weeks. See how long it will take American corporations to complain.

Sometimes a very simple action can send a very loud message.

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:28:41pm

re: #218 Anymouse

“Chicago” is dog whistle for “Ni-CLANG”

It’s the combination hit - both minorities and because it’s Obama’s home town.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:28:58pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:30:13pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:30:31pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rod Fucking Dreher spent much of the weekend lecturing everybody that punching a Nazi makes you worse than a Nazi because Freeze Peach!!!!!! Oh, and liberals are also Nazis because they laugh at Nazis getting punched.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:31:28pm

My Czech students, many of whom are involved in the business community, are now quietly starting to panic, and this is only Day 6 of the DopeTrumpshow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:34:36pm
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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:34:54pm

All the Twitter eggs will be talking about it soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:37:16pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:37:18pm

re: #223 Scottish Dragon

Rod Fucking Dreher spent much of the weekend lecturing everybody that punching a Nazi makes you worse than a Nazi because Freeze Peach!!!!!! Oh, and liberals are also Nazis because they laugh at Nazis getting punched.

Yeah, I ain’t waiting until the genocide actually starts.

There is no coming to middle ground or seeing the other guy’s side when the other guy’s side is “I want you dead.”

I’m not going to go out of my way looking to punch people (actually, as small as I am that would not be a good idea) but I sure as hell am not going to tolerate genocide-apologists without a fight.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:37:41pm

re: #211 jaunte

Office of the United States Trade Representative
Executive Office of the President

Mexico was the United States’ 3rd largest supplier of goods imports in 2015.

U.S. goods imports from Mexico totaled $295 billion in 2015, up 0.2% ($667 million) from 2014, and up 73% from 2005. U.S. imports from Mexico are up 638% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. imports from Mexico are up 638% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA).

The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2015 were: vehicles ($74 billion), electrical machinery ($63 billion), machinery ($49 billion), mineral fuels ($14 billion), and optical and medical instruments ($12 billion).

U.S. imports of agricultural products from Mexico totaled $21 billion in 2015, our 2nd largest supplier of agricultural imports. Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.8 billion), other fresh fruit ($4.3 billion), wine and beer ($2.7 billion), snack foods ($1.7 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion).

U.S. imports of services from Mexico were an estimated $21.6 billion in 2015, 11.0% ($2.1 billion) more than 2014, and 50.0% greater than 2005 levels. It was up roughly 191% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Based on 2014, leading services imports from Mexico to the U.S. were in the travel, transportation, and technical and other services sectors.

Sure seems like a 20% tax on imports would severely impact the average American consumer.
Pretty much paying for the wall by taxing the American poor - through- middle class

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:40:28pm
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Citizen K  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:41:09pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:41:13pm

Mexico Trade War begun, next, Europe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:41:41pm

re: #205 Jack Burton

Ossetia -> Rheinland
Crimea -> Austria
East Ukraine -> Sudetenland
Balkans -> perhaps Poland?

It’s a good thing we have the modern day William Dudley Pelley running things over here.

I have to disagree with that some of that analogy: Putin is set on re-establishing the Russian Empire, not pursuing the goals of the USSR.

Although the analogy of Germans in the Sudetenland and Austria is at least partially applicable, inasmuch as millions of ethnic Russians were left stranded outside of Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Putin would like to see these people restored to the privileged position they once enjoyed as members of the dominant nationality.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:41:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:42:00pm
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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:42:39pm

re: #229 FormerDirtDart

Office of the United States Trade Representative
Executive Office of the President

Sure seems like a 20% tax on imports would severely impact the average American consumer.
Pretty much paying for the wall by taxing the American poor - through- middle class

Middle-class and wealthy people are more likely to buy new cars. MSRP on a fairly basic Ford F-150 is about $33,000. A 20% tariff would mean the price jumps to $39,600. That’s going to kill a lot of sales on big ticket items.

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Citizen K  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:43:38pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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It bears repeating almost daily now: “When people tell you who they are, believe them the first time.”

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:43:45pm

re: #200 b.d.

Bannon thinks so little of the spineless dems that he doesn’t even acknowledge them as an opposition party.

Bannon might be correct in that assessment, given that Congressional Democrats have only one job (i.e., vote ‘no’ on TrumpShit) which they are handling poorly thus far.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:43:55pm

But the Stock Market is doing really well.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:44:27pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:44:39pm

re: #234 Anymouse

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They plan on bringing the Rapture.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:26pm

re: #232 jaunte

hmmm, how does he get around law and legal precedence?

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MsJ  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:34pm

re: #110 electrotek

Appreciate the responses. Now I have a much better understanding of the impact now (whereas post-election I was too angry and lashed out at anybody who voted 3rd party more than those who voted Trump). I’m only angry at the 3rd party voters in the 3 states that helped tipped the election in Pumpkin Pinochet’s favor.

While what they are saying is correct in terms of EC, had all those knuckleheads in other states voted for Hillary (or trump) we would likely have had a 6 million plus popular vote difference, which I think would have been even more significant.

Not that it would have done anything (those swing states were key to the EC) but the larger the difference in popular vote, the harder it is to be legitimate.

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Jack Burton  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:37pm

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hitlers initial “justification” was reuniting all the ethnic Germans in Europe that had been spread out after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires.

Putin’s doing the exact same shit. Ethnic Russians being oppressed by “fascist Ukrainians supported by the West” (lol… nice projection).

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Bubblehead II  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:45pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:51pm
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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:45:54pm

re: #232 jaunte

Mexico Trade War begun, next, Europe.

Once again, they don’t understand the constitution. He can’t strip them of their privacy rights. The government is required to observe the privacy rights of all people under its jurisdiction.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:46:07pm
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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:46:42pm

re: #231 Citizen K

The terrorist has tied your baby to a bomb, he’s ok with letting the bomb go off. Why would he tell you the place that the bomb is located? Why wouldn’t he give you a false location? Or wait until there’s not enough time to defuse the bomb, then tell you where it is to cause more carnage? Someone willing to tie a baby to a bomb is going to be willing to die for their cause

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:47:10pm
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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:48:18pm

re: #242 Birth Control Works

hmmm, how does he get around law and legal precedence?

I AM THE LAW!!111!

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:48:20pm

re: #247 Belafon

They’re going ahead with it:

“…Enforcing privacy policies that specifically “exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents,” while aimed at enhancing domestic immigration laws, effectively invalidates America’s part of the Data Shield agreement, opens the current administration up to sanctions by the EU and could lead our allies across the Atlantic to suspend the agreement outright.”
engadget.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:49:19pm

In Texas:

I asked Rep. Biederman if he’d also be holding forums on Radical Christianity and Radical Judaism. This is what happened:

Spoiler: His answer was “no”.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:49:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:50:00pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:50:18pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Bannon might be correct in that assessment, given that Congressional Democrats have only one job (i.e., vote ‘no’ on TrumpShit) which they are handling poorly thus far.

I think that equation has changed. Or was that 3 million examples of apathy out on the march?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:50:32pm

re: #228 Anymouse

Yeah, I ain’t waiting until the genocide actually starts.

There is no coming to middle ground or seeing the other guy’s side when the other guy’s side is “I want you dead.”

I’m not going to go out of my way looking to punch people (actually, as small as I am that would not be a good idea) but I sure as hell am not going to tolerate genocide-apologists without a fight.

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I watched Schindler’s List again last night, which is a good reminder of what fucking awful pieces of slime Nazis are.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:50:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:51:22pm

re: #250 Birth Control Works

Um, that’s what this post is about. Just sayin’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:51:46pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:51:51pm

I thought La-La Land was a movie?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:52:08pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Um, that’s what this post is about. Just sayin’.

Sorry, my rage get’s the better of me.

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:52:28pm
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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:52:52pm

re: #236 KGxvi

Middle-class and wealthy people are more likely to buy new cars. MSRP on a fairly basic Ford F-150 is about $33,000. A 20% tariff would mean the price jumps to $39,600. That’s going to kill a lot of sales on big ticket items.

Oh, I forgot, most people buy cars with financing. Which means that 20% tariff will be paid over a 4-5 year, with interest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:53:00pm

re: #258 Scottish Dragon

AAA credit rating? The current POTUS has a lifelong habit of cooking books and forcing bondholders to take haircuts.

So, you business folks think the world is going to still use the USD for petroleum? Think the US will be the flight to safety for assets?

Once the Dollar loses its status as reserve and trade currency, we might as well just start using Drachmas, Zlotys or Nigerian Nairas

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:53:28pm
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:55:02pm

re: #254 Birth Control Works

The government doesn’t even compile data that is useful, like the number of law enforcement involved shootings (resulting in death or injury), but we’re going to get this nonsense?

I already have an idea where the source for this is going to come from.

If you had Breitbart or Gateway on your pool, you win.

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:55:43pm

So we’re going to tax imports, which means the importers are going to pass the cost on to consumers here in the US, thus we are still paying for that damned wall.

The GOP is going to find out what it was like for the German elite who thought they could control Hitler and get him to dance to their tune.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:55:55pm

VIDEO of @POTUS in Air Force One office cabin

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:57:51pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

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What the ever loving fuck do we do when countries start dumping T-bills and divesting themselves of US currency???

This is Goddamned firehose of insanity. I actually cannot keep up with it. Too much info too fast.

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Franklin  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:58:45pm
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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 12:59:09pm

re: #271 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck do we do when countries start dumping T-bills and divesting themselves of US currency???

This is Goddamned firehose of insanity. I actually cannot keep up with it. Too much info too fast.

Start buying Euros and Yen?

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:00:23pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:01:24pm

re: #236 KGxvi

Middle-class and wealthy people are more likely to buy new cars. MSRP on a fairly basic Ford F-150 is about $33,000. A 20% tariff would mean the price jumps to $39,600. That’s going to kill a lot of sales on big ticket items.

The poor are more likely to spend a higher percentage of their available funds on FOOD.
A purchase of which that generally can not be cancelled or postponed to a later date.

If middle-class and wealthy do not purchase new cars less used vehicles enter the resale market, reducing number of used vehicles entering secondary market, increasing demand, driving up costs of personal transportation options for the less affluent

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:01:52pm

re: #275 Kragar

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I actually told my spouse last night we are getting another .22 and she has to learn to shoot.

Supplementing our table with wild game may not be optional in another year.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:02:15pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It occurred to me that building the Wall might actually spur illegal immigration, because there is already a shortage of construction workers. Unauthorized immigrants already constitute half the construction workforce in Texas.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:03:13pm

re: #254 Birth Control Works

Aide: Uh, Mr. President, we don’t actually have that data.

POTUS: Then get it.

Aide: Actually, uh, sir, uh, it doesn’t exist.

POTUS: Well make something up then. What am I paying you for anyway?

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Jenner7  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:04:12pm

Hope this is true, but not sure how you can misinterpret what he said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:04:39pm
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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:05:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:05:44pm

Okay ran across this on FB. Who needs a nice new cute lizard avatar?

Yup no trolls are getting in past… here
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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:05:47pm

20% hike on basic perishables. Think of all the fresh food that you see in supermarkets. A not insignificant portion comes from Mexico.

Now tack 20% on to the prices. That’s what this does, because where else is the cost getting incorporated.

Oh wait, it’ll also be felt at the gas pump and on transportation too - because we import oil/petroleum products from Mexico. Airfare will also rise in US as will delivery costs.

It will become more expensive to do business in the US as a result of this 20% tax. It’s a tax, regardless of how you call it a border adjustment or tariff. You as an end user will be paying it (the same damned thing that these GOP nuts claim that corporate income taxes get passed on to the consumer).

Tequila sales will take a bath too. Same with Mexican beer.

But hey, enjoy your ~1% income tax cut while the rich make out like bandits.

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:06:14pm

re: #256 Unshaken Defiance

I think that equation has changed. Or was that 3 million examples of apathy out on the march?

The marches and protests are great. Democrats in Congress voting for Trump nominees like Carson are a problem.

There’s only one possible acceptable reason for a Democratic Senator to vote for a Trump cabinet nominee, and that is trading a ‘yes’ vote on a nomination for a Article 25 proxy from the nominee to be used vs. Trump.

Of course this is just a pipe dream, since merely talking about this level of hardball within the same area code is enough to give most elected Democrats the vapors.

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Jenner7  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:06:52pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:07:03pm

re: #285 lawhawk

Never mind drugs. Smuggle citrus and tequila.
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:07:04pm

re: #285 lawhawk

20% hike on basic perishables. Think of all the fresh food that you see in supermarkets. A not insignificant portion comes from Mexico.

Now tack 20% on to the prices. That’s what this does, because where else is the cost getting incorporated.

Oh wait, it’ll also be felt at the gas pump and on transportation too - because we import oil/petroleum products from Mexico. Airfare will also rise in US as will delivery costs.

It will become more expensive to do business in the US as a result of this 20% tax. It’s a tax, regardless of how you call it a border adjustment or tariff. You as an end user will be paying it (the same damned thing that these GOP nuts claim that corporate income taxes get passed on to the consumer).

Tequila sales will take a bath too. Same with Mexican beer.

But hey, enjoy your ~1% income tax cut while the rich make out like bandits.

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE WHITE WORKING CLA—-

Oh wait…

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KGxvi  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:07:11pm

re: #276 FormerDirtDart

The poor are more likely to spend a higher percentage of their available funds on FOOD.
A purchase of which that generally can not be cancelled or postponed to a later date.

If middle-class and wealthy do not purchase new cars less used vehicles enter the resale market, reducing number of used vehicles entering secondary market, increasing demand, driving up costs of personal transportation options for the less affluent

Good points, was just thinking about one point in the stream. The down stream implications are very big.

And with 5% unemployment, it’s not like we are suddenly going to be able to open up plants to build all this stuff ourselves… or be able to get the raw materials necessary to build them.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:07:18pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Texas:

Spoiler: His answer was “no”.

Every Muslim in the world is responsible for what one Muslim does.

No Christians are responsible no matter how many Christians do things like blow up abortion clinics or Olympic Parks or burn other Christian churches.

Moreover, the so-called “mainstream churches” rarely call it out. Silence is acceptance, and your Texas guy is being silent.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:08:15pm

re: #285 lawhawk

20% hike on basic perishables. Think of all the fresh food that you see in supermarkets. A not insignificant portion comes from Mexico.

Now tack 20% on to the prices. That’s what this does, because where else is the cost getting incorporated.

Oh wait, it’ll also be felt at the gas pump and on transportation too - because we import oil/petroleum products from Mexico. Airfare will also rise in US as will delivery costs.

It will become more expensive to do business in the US as a result of this 20% tax. It’s a tax, regardless of how you call it a border adjustment or tariff. You as an end user will be paying it (the same damned thing that these GOP nuts claim that corporate income taxes get passed on to the consumer).

Tequila sales will take a bath too. Same with Mexican beer.

But hey, enjoy your ~1% income tax cut while the rich make out like bandits.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:08:17pm

re: #271 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck do we do when countries start dumping T-bills and divesting themselves of US currency???

This is Goddamned firehose of insanity. I actually cannot keep up with it. Too much info too fast.

Check out a scarily prophetic dystopian novel from 2010: Gary Shteyngart’s Super Sad True Love Story: It describes life in America after the great currency collapse.

Only those with access to Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency have any social status or anything beyond the basics, the nation is semi-literate, computer-dependent and ruled by corporate interests.

And we are already more than halfway there…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:09:34pm

Spinal Tap audio under Trump is 😂👌🏼

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:09:57pm

re: #286 EPR-radar

You’re betting that the GOP will carry through with a 25th Amendment (clause 4) act to strip Trump of the Presidency?

Good luck with that. There’s no evidence the GOP is going to do that while he’s busy giving them everything they’ve ever wanted to do.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:11:37pm

re: #295 lawhawk

You’re betting that the GOP will carry through with a 25th Amendment (clause 4) act to strip Trump of the Presidency?

Good luck with that. There’s no evidence the GOP is going to do that while he’s busy giving them everything they’ve ever wanted to do.

That, and they need his voters to stay relevant. They try to remove him and the red hats revolt against establishment GOP politicians, who they can barely stand now.

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:11:45pm

If you wanted to create the perfect Manchurian Candidate to deliver the world to Moscow on a silver platter, you’d be hard-pressed to find a better example than Trump so far.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:12:48pm

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Check out a scarily prophetic dystopian novel from 2010: Gary Shteyngart’s Super Sad True Love Story: It describes life in America after the great currency collapse.

Only those with access to Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency have any social status or anything beyond the basics, the nation is semi-literate, computer-dependent and ruled by corporate interests.

And we are already more than halfway there…

Gonna get it. Thanks!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:13:06pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

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Skip Intro  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:13:06pm

Some sad news today. First, Sarah Palin’s “Judge Dumbfuck” tv show has failed to please sample audiences and is now as dead as her political career.

Second, Sarah is now $1 million richer because she shut down SarahPac and made its $1 million balance disappear in less than a month.

docquery.fec.gov

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:14:01pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

If you wanted to create the perfect Manchurian Candidate to deliver the world to Moscow on a silver platter, you’d be hard-pressed to find a better example than Trump so far.

We’re already ceding world leadership on climate change and trade to China, might as well give Russia Europe and the Middle East while we’re at it.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:14:47pm

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Check out a scarily prophetic dystopian novel from 2010: Gary Shteyngart’s Super Sad True Love Story: It describes life in America after the great currency collapse.

Only those with access to Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency have any social status or anything beyond the basics, the nation is semi-literate, computer-dependent and ruled by corporate interests.

And we are already more than halfway there…

In my audible library, I’m way behind on listening

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:14:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:15:11pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:15:43pm

So, Bannon has sent out a challenge to the media as far as I can tell. I sure hope they realize they are about to get shut out from what is about to become a secret government.

I hope they all grow some spine and take up that challenge and start dumping on Trump like they should have all along.

If not, this country is going to explode. The demonstrations in Philly today show people are growing restless. If the media doesn’t do something, and congress doesn’t so something, the people are going to go crazy in the streets.

We are getting real close to total anarchy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:16:31pm

re: #302 Birth Control Works

In my audible library, I’m way behind on listening

It’s a quick read in any case. And menacingly scary at the end…

I am almost afraid to re-read it in light of recent developments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:17:38pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:18:01pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Good points, was just thinking about one point in the stream. The down stream implications are very big.

And with 5% unemployment, it’s not like we are suddenly going to be able to open up plants to build all this stuff ourselves… or be able to get the raw materials necessary to build them.

And, lets not forget about the effect on the value of the many, many American companies that currently build stuff in Mexico. The stock devaluation will be significant. And, we all know how the overall market reacts when major stocks trend downward…

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:18:37pm

re: #305 ObserverArt

So, Bannon has sent out a challenge to the media as far as I can tell. I sure hope they realize they are about to get shut out from what is about to become a secret government.

I hope they all grow some spine and take up that challenge and start dumping on Trump like they should have all along.

If not, this country is going to explode. The demonstrations in Philly today show people are growing restless. If the media doesn’t do something, and congress doesn’t so something, the people are going to go crazy in the streets.

We are getting real close to total anarchy.

Anarchy is precisely what Steve Bannon wants.

Moreover, anarchy gives those would impose a truly fascist state the pretext they need to roll the tanks into the streets and suspend civil liberties.

Need to protest smarter, not harder.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:19:46pm

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

And, lets not forget about the effect on the value of the many, many American companies that currently build stuff in Mexico. The stock devaluation will be significant. And, we all know how the overall market reacts when major stocks trend downward…

I’m guessing the Dow will not look good today with threats of a trade war with Mexico.

I’m glad I’m invested in tumbleweeds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:20:22pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:21:24pm

Chaos is a ladder?

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:22:44pm

re: #295 lawhawk

You’re betting that the GOP will carry through with a 25th Amendment (clause 4) act to strip Trump of the Presidency?

Good luck with that. There’s no evidence the GOP is going to do that while he’s busy giving them everything they’ve ever wanted to do.

Of course not. My point was that an Article 25 proxy vote (in writing) from a Trump cabinet member is the only conceivable thing that would make it worthwhile for a Democratic Senator to vote yes on the confirmation.

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Interesting Times  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:23:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:24:12pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:24:40pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tomorrow is a good day for this.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:25:43pm

From Balloon Juice:

OK,. CIA assets abroad are getting burned, the senior staff at State have been fired, and all the ambassadors have been fired with no replacement in sight.

Can it be considered a coup if the president is wiping out the executive branch? Either way, the country is going to be unable to manage its affairs at all pretty soon.

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MsJ  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:26:45pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:26:52pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:27:36pm

Well, I’m out. I’m way past my bedtime over managing the village water crisis. (Multitasking with my telephone and LGF.)

Now that the “all clear” has been sounded from our water system operators, I can hit the rack.

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Jenner7  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:29:09pm
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unproven innocence  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:29:48pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

My wetware facial-recog is not so good, but that avatar pic (Tea Pain) resembles Rage Furby.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:29:56pm

Someone is about to get FIRED on the Apprentice

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:30:32pm

Let us institute a national Citizen ID and one for resident legal non-citizens.

Free of charge for all citizens and low cost for non-citizens.

It would put to rest nearly all issues of voter ID fraud, abuse of social services and violation of labor laws.

And still be cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

Any other attempt at a solution is just grandstanding or kicking the can down the road.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:32:20pm

Interesting Comparison of viewpoints between GOP & Dems

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:32:36pm

re: #321 Jenner7

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So much for negotiating for nukes, eh Donny?

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lawhawk  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:32:42pm

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It would also eliminate all the issues with implementing the REAL ID across states. Some are still dragging feet.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:33:12pm

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let us institute a national Citizen ID and one for resident legal non-citizens.

Free of charge for all citizens and low cost for non-citizens.

It would put to rest nearly all issues of voter ID fraud, abuse of social services and violation of labor laws.

And still be cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

Any other attempt at a solution is just grandstanding or kicking the can down the road.

Conservatives have opposed the idea of a National ID card as long as it has been suggested.

On voting, they don’t want to make it easier to vote (except where they have a lock on government, like my state with mail voting).

The argument is everything from “number of the Beast” to “excessive government overreach” to “the government is tracking us.”

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Jenner7  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:37:20pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:37:37pm

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Voter fraud is the most important issue in the country because it corrupts our elections and Constitutional institutions which is why mandatory photo ID’s must be established IMMEDIATELY everywhere!

Let us institute a national Citizen ID and one for resident legal non-citizens.

Free of charge for all citizens and low cost for non-citizens.

It would put to rest nearly all issues of voter ID fraud, abuse of social services and violation of labor laws.

No, not that! That would be Big Government Tyranny and make us subservient to the UN who would take over the U.S. and take all our guns and liberties!

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Scout  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:38:12pm

re: #321 Jenner7

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Which sanctions (election-related sanctions or Crimea-related sanctions)? Or is it all sanctions?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:38:59pm

re: #321 Jenner7

Here is my shocked face.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:39:52pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senator Bob Casey is Woke.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:39:53pm

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Voter fraud is the most important issue in the country because it corrupts our elections and Constitutional institutions which is why mandatory photo ID’s must be established IMMEDIATELY everywhere!

No, not that! That would be Big Government Tyranny and make us subservient to the UN who would take over the U.S. and take all our guns and liberties!

Same lack of logic when it comes to Comprehensive Sex Ed ad Cost-free Contraception to reduce abortions and overall misery.

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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:41:07pm

I see I’m going to have to plant a new Victory Garden this year. (So I can watch the Mockingbirds protect my veggies from the thieving squirrels so they can eat them. At least it’s entertaining.)

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Mike Lamb  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:41:54pm

re: #329 Jenner7

These fucking idiots don’t understand pass through costs do they?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:41:57pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:42:03pm

“…It garnered over 100,000 signatures within 24 hours of the president’s inauguration…”

“…As of Thursday afternoon, the petition had over 368,000 signatures, surpassing the previous record of 367,180. The previous record-holder called for the United States government to “legally recognize the Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group.” …”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:42:48pm
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allegro  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:42:56pm

re: #336 Mike Lamb

These fucking idiots don’t understand pass through costs do they?

Haven’t seen an understanding of anything that makes sense thus far.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:43:16pm

re: #338 FormerDirtDart

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Geez…I didn’t realize the media industry employed so many people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:43:18pm

re: #328 Anymouse

Conservatives have opposed the idea of a National ID card as long as it has been suggested.

On voting, they don’t want to make it easier to vote (except where they have a lock on government, like my state with mail voting).

The argument is everything from “number of the Beast” to “excessive government overreach” to “the government is tracking us.”

I am just trying to make the point that any of the measures they are promoting are just grandstanding and posturing or even more sinister in nature.

Nobody on right or left would go for such a thing, even though it would be the cheapest and most effective solution, and like universal health care, something that almost every other civilized nation already does and has been doing for decades…

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:43:40pm

re: #334 Birth Control Works

Same lack of logic when it comes to Comprehensive Sex Ed ad Cost-free Contraception to reduce abortions and overall misery.

If they solve those “problems” (reducing non-existent voter fraud, rate of abortions, &c) they have nothing to drive their voters in fear to the polls over.

They are not interested in solving those issue.

On abortion, Colorado showed that if you make long-term contraceptives available at no charge to teens, the abortion rate plummets. (Colorado didn’t even have to pay for it, as it was funded by a wealthy benefactor.)

Everything came out from parents concerned the state was promoting promiscuity to outright opposition to birth control itself. The plummeting abortion rate suddenly didn’t matter.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:45:59pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:46:16pm

re: #329 Jenner7

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You know, Sean, generally trial balloons such as this are floated by low-level functionaries or “leaked” to the press through back channels. Not barked out by the press secretary like a trained seal only to be retracted hours later.

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Kragar  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:47:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:49:10pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:50:57pm

re: #295 lawhawk

You’re betting that the GOP will carry through with a 25th Amendment (clause 4) act to strip Trump of the Presidency?

Good luck with that. There’s no evidence the GOP is going to do that while he’s busy giving them everything they’ve ever wanted to do.

There is going to be a point where things like a 20% tariff on goods and shutting out the press are going to bite the GOP in the ass with all Americans.

That means their big money people that run large chain stores and auto dealerships are going to apply pressure on them big time.

The people behind big media took a gamble on playing to the wingnuts. If all of a sudden their ratings tank to the likes of Brietbart they too are going to be calling their Congress representatives.

Trump in his mad rush is going to stress too many businesses and put too much burden on too many people. This is like a train running headlong into a mountain.

There is an implosion coming along with this explosion. It is going to collect everyone. GOP will not be immune. Yes, they may try to play it off and see if they can get past it, but as long as Trump is Trump it won’t work. They act like dumbasses, but they are smart enough to know this is unsustainable.

I bet there are nervous politicians meeting in secret to figure out what they are going to do. As soon as they try anything they are going to find out they have no control over the beast and it will be full game on.

It sure would be interesting to watch if we all didn’t have to suffer the outcomes of what is going to come.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:51:15pm

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just trying to make the point that any of the measures they are promoting are just grandstanding and posturing or even more sinister in nature.

Nobody on right or left would go for such a thing, even though it would be the cheapest and most effective solution, and like universal health care, something that almost every other civilized nation already does and has been doing for decades…

I haven’t read much on the left opposing national ID cards, but perhaps that is because I am the only left in my town.

A quick search for “national ID card USA” yields nothing but conservative, libertarian, and right-wing think tanks, plus FOX News Channel, World Nut Daily and conservative magazines like Forbes arguing against it, with a Washington Post article arguing in its favour.

Wingnut sites are opposed to Real ID for drivers licences, making arguments like “gunz” and “direct trip to the police station.”

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Birth Control Works  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:52:13pm

bbl

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gocart mozart  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:52:36pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The_Burren  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:57:35pm
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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:57:39pm

Wonkette snarks at the idea of Callista Gingrich for Ambassador to the Holy See.

wonkette.com

Why not? Thice-married Newt’s wife? Well, she’s Catholic so there’s that. Which I believe unless she and he got a dispensation from their bishop makes their marriage suspect under the Catechism.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:58:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:58:38pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:58:49pm

re: #349 Anymouse

I haven’t read much on the left opposing national ID cards, but perhaps that is because I am the only left in my town.

I am talking about extreme leftist dudebros, but those people are off any conventional left/right scale of assessment

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ObserverArt  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:59:09pm

re: #309 Anymouse

Anarchy is precisely what Steve Bannon wants.

Moreover, anarchy gives those would impose a truly fascist state the pretext they need to roll the tanks into the streets and suspend civil liberties.

Need to protest smarter, not harder.

Oh I agree. But when shit hits the fan any consideration for calm will be gone.

Vietnam and the race riots of the 60s are my examples. There were groups and individuals that called for calm, but after calm brought no results what happened?

This has the making of being bigger than those as Trump is going to touch too many of all backgrounds, incomes, etc.

Do I want to see it. Hell no. Look at Philadelphia today. We just had a big protest on Saturday. People are in the streets again today. I don’t know if we have ever seen that before. Anger rising…is never a good thing.

You can only box in people so much before desperation sets in. It is a very real human thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 1:59:32pm

re: #352 The_Burren

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Surely a coincidence right.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:00:25pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Surely a coincidence right.//

He is the President, he cannot have any conflicts of interest…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:00:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:02:17pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

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Lifting sanctions is Trump paying Putin for stealing him the election. (And also not releasing all the tax & financial info that Trump fears more than the peepee video)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:03:01pm

Soon to be “Our man in the Middle East”

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Stanley Sea  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:04:38pm

re: #329 Jenner7

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Amory Blaine  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:05:28pm

re: #344 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:06:20pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because Republicans don’t actually understand how economies work.

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scottslemmons  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:06:24pm

re: #364 Amory Blaine

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Soon to be followed by Plan 9.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:06:27pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

What you’re learning here is that Trump’s admin will be just as chaotic and impulsive as his inner life.

We elected a man with no record of public service, and one whose record of personal self-service is not fully documented. Why should we expect anything else than a continuation of same?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:07:08pm

I’m not an economist, but a 20% import tax means Americans will pay 20% more for imported goods……right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:07:43pm

re: #365 Belafon

Because Republicans don’t actually understand how economies work.

I still recall people like Rick Santorum telling us that it is a matter of morality, not economics.

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EPR-radar  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:08:34pm

re: #365 Belafon

Because Republicans don’t actually understand anything how economies work.

FTFY.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:09:47pm
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danarchy  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:09:50pm

re: #362 FormerDirtDart

Soon to be “Our man in the Middle East”

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To be fair, he could have been the greatest diplomat of all time and when Trump tweets shit like this It wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:10:02pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

None dare call it Appeasement

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:11:11pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

Has Tillerson not been confirmed yet? I assumed they snuck that in overnight.

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b.d.  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:11:16pm

I think I’m tired of all of this winning.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:11:28pm

re: #372 danarchy

To be fair, he could have been the greatest diplomat of all time and when Trump tweets shit like this It wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference.

One-sided deal? Does this fucktard understand how many American-built vehicles are sold south of the fucking border?

Look at all of the Ford F-150’s and Chevy Suburbans in the major fucking cities of Mexico as proof of that.

Jesus fucking Christ.

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calochortus  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:12:46pm

re: #336 Mike Lamb

These fucking idiots don’t understand pass through costs do they?

Actually, assuming you meant Trump supporters, yes they do. Last I checked Freepers were not enthused. Some claimed that the tariff was just a negotiating tactic, but the majority noticed that it would mean we would be paying for the wall.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:13:50pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

Why we all have to keep yelling, for the next four years.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:14:29pm

The heat is on Sheriff Clarke. Finally, the local paper is calling for him to go.

Haynes: Why we think Clarke has to go

This has been building for a while - our decision to call on Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. to step down. But we finally had had enough of the so-called sheriff of Milwaukee County and his bizarre, self-indulgent behavior.

So on Tuesday afternoon, we called on Clarke to do the residents of Milwaukee County a favor and resign.

The Clarke outrages have piled up like snowdrifts in a Wisconsin blizzard these past few days. The plotlines are similar: A power-hungry politician plays the victim and tries to bully an opponent.

That would be bad enough if Clarke were just some loud-mouthed guy at the end of the bar. It’s unacceptable behavior in a public servant. Especially a public servant who has frequently neglected his duties as sheriff for Fox News appointments or other engagements while leaving the work of the sheriff’s office to someone else. Since last April, four people have died in the jail he oversees including a baby and a man who apparently perished of thirst.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:16:12pm

re: #379 Amory Blaine

The heat is on Sheriff Clarke. Finally, the local paper is calling for him to go.

Haynes: Why we think Clarke has to go

He needs to be in jail himself.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:16:24pm

re: #368 Dr. Matt

I’m not an economist, but a 20% import tax means Americans will pay 20% more for imported goods……right?

Yes, which means Mexico isn’t paying for it. Hypothetically it hurts them in that it reduces sales, but their hurt doesn’t translate into paying for the wall. Also they can and will retaliate on US made goods. It’s a lose lose proposition. There’s a reason tariff wars haven’t been popular for the last half century, everyone (until now) looked at how they worsened and prolonged the Great Depression and realized there was a better way.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:18:25pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Yes, which means Mexico isn’t paying for it. Hypothetically it hurts them in that it reduces sales, but their hurt doesn’t translate into paying for the wall. Also they can and will retaliate on US made goods. It’s a lose lose proposition. There’s a reason tariff wars haven’t been popular for the last half century, everyone (until now) looked at how they worsened and prolonged the Great Depression and realized there was a better way.

One of my friends put it this way. We import a lot of fresh food from Mexico. The rise in price of fresh food will make lower income people resort to buying more processed foods which in turn will lead to health issues and increased health costs.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:18:47pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Yes, which means Mexico isn’t paying for it. Hypothetically it hurts them in that it reduces sales, but their hurt doesn’t translate into paying for the wall. Also they can and will retaliate on US made goods. It’s a lose lose proposition. There’s a reason tariff wars haven’t been popular for the last half century, everyone (until now) looked at how they worsened and prolonged the Great Depression and realized there was a better way.

Yeah. But, shut up. MAGA!

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jaunte  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:19:53pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

There’s a reason tariff wars haven’t been popular for the last half century, everyone (until now) looked at how they worsened and prolonged the Great Depression and realized there was a better way.

Until the GOP at last got their King Simpleton, advised by a nihilist.

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:19:54pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Yes, which means Mexico isn’t paying for it. Hypothetically it hurts them in that it reduces sales, but their hurt doesn’t translate into paying for the wall. Also they can and will retaliate on US made goods. It’s a lose lose proposition. There’s a reason tariff wars haven’t been popular for the last half century, everyone (until now) looked at how they worsened and prolonged the Great Depression and realized there was a better way.

Trump seems to think it’s like one of his own business deals: He threatens to cut off “access” or “business” and the other side acquiesces to his demands. In the real world, when we tell our close trade partners that we’re altering the terms of the deal, they respond back “Two can play that game.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:20:04pm

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am talking about extreme leftist dudebros, but those people are off any conventional left/right scale of assessment

These might be a few years in which hard-core lefties need to be harder to find.

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ObserverArt  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:21:09pm

Hey…I just got an email from the Ohio Democratic Party asking if I want to run for office.

It is being called the Ohio Democratic Party “Main Street Initiative” and they are going to host professional candidate trainings across the state to help people navigate opportunities in public service.

So, it looks like some of the grassroots/local need for Democrats is being understood by the Ohio Democratic Party. Hopefully this is going on all over the country.

And no, as I said the other day, I won’t be running for office. I am not going to start a political career at my age with all the other things I have to do. But I will be trying hard to help the party and its candidates with things I can do with my graphic artist/advertising communications talents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:22:31pm

re: #385 Targetpractice

Trump seems to think it’s like one of his own business deals: He threatens to cut off “access” or “business” and the other side acquiesces to his demands. In the real world, when we tell our close trade partners that we’re altering the terms of the deal, they respond back “Two can play that game.”

Except Trump always had the bankruptcy card to play as a backup.

Which he does now, for an entire national economy…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:22:48pm
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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:22:51pm

re: #387 ObserverArt

That’s cool. Texas isn’t nearly as organized.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:23:41pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

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Fuck you Paul.

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:23:58pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

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The millions of American veterans who will be fucked over by this will remember, Paul.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:24:45pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

By instituting a hiring freeze, Trump and Ryan prove they have no clue how to help 300+M people and a $15T economy function.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:25:14pm

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am talking about extreme leftist dudebros, but those people are off any conventional left/right scale of assessment

I’ve noticed that extreme leftist dudebros are just as misogynistic as their extreme rightist counterparts.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:25:18pm

Best comment: “cuando una puerta se cierra, otra se abre (when one door closes, another is opened).”

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MsJ  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:26:33pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Anyone think the GOP will ever impeach this guy? Read this tweet again.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:27:05pm

Interesting.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:27:40pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Cutting off our nose to spite our face

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:27:55pm

re: #396 MsJ

Anyone think the GOP will ever impeach this guy? Read this tweet again.

There is no daylight between Trump and the monied GOP establishment. He’s just louder.

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Targetpractice  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:28:02pm

re: #395 Shiplord Kirel

Best comment: “cuando una puerta se cierra, otra se abre (when one door closes, another is opened).”

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It’s meant as a joke, but it has a serious point. Russia has been working to boost its trade with Mexico for awhile now, but has had to deal with their close relationship to us. The more Herr Hairpiece works to piss off Mexico, the more attractive Russia looks.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:28:19pm

re: #390 Belafon

That’s cool. Texas isn’t nearly as organized.

Nebraska Dems put the same up on their Facebook page, that they are seeking people to run for offices and are holding training sessions (all hundreds of miles from me).

Political parties certainly need candidates (see my blank ballot this time round except for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine), but they also need people to do the “grunt work” (volunteering, helping with graphic design, creating mailers, knocking on doors, &c).

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:30:22pm

re: #401 Anymouse

When I went to my first meeting with the county Democratic party, the leader said that the state party here in Texas doesn’t talk to the local parties.

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blueraven  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:31:18pm

LOL @ Rasmussen

realclearpolitics.com

Trump approval
RCP Average approve/disapprove 1/20 - 1/25 — 45.2 43.0 +2.2
Gallup 46/45 +1
Rasmussen Reports 59/41 +18
Economist/YouGov 43/39 +4
PPP (D) 44/44 Tie
Quinnipiac 36/44 -8
Reuters/Ipsos 43/45 -2

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:31:38pm

re: #368 Dr. Matt

I’m not an economist, but a 20% import tax means Americans will pay 20% more for imported goods……right?

Stay thirsty, mis amigos.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:32:06pm

You know one thing I thought about in regards to Trump’s idiotic treatment of Mexico is that it’s going to weaken the ability to crack down on the cartels. There’s so much wrong with what Trump is doing. It benefits no one but his stupid base that is paranoid about Mexican immigrants even though most of them live far away from Mexico.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:32:31pm

re: #404 Decatur Deb

Stay thirsty, mis amigos.

I need to buy a fifth of tequila in sovereignty soon.

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electrotek  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:33:27pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

You know one thing I thought about in regards to Trump’s idiotic treatment of Mexico is that it’s going to weaken the ability to crack down on the cartels. There’s so much wrong with what Trump is doing. It benefits no one but his stupid base that is paranoid about Mexican immigrants even though most of them live far away from Mexico.

A neo-Pancho Villa amigo. Don’t forget that.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:33:31pm

re: #406 HappyWarrior

I need to buy a fifth of tequila in sovereignty soon.

The worm will cost you 20% extra.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:34:23pm

re: #408 Decatur Deb

The worm will cost you 20% extra.

That’s why I need to do it soon. I”m almost outta whiskey anyhow.

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ObserverArt  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:34:35pm

Oh gawd… MSNBC just ran a commercial for Jeff Sessions. It was just like a 30 second campaign commercial asking for people to call their congress person and ask for Sessions to be passed to become Attorney General.

Gaak!

I’m sick now. Back later…going to lurk mode.

Edit…congress person, not congressman!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:35:00pm

re: #407 electrotek

A neo-Pancho Villa amigo. Don’t forget that.

Y marijuana que fumar. The Colorado growers will back the tariff.

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Belafon  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:35:15pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

You know one thing I thought about in regards to Trump’s idiotic treatment of Mexico is that it’s going to weaken the ability to crack down on the cartels. There’s so much wrong with what Trump is doing. It benefits no one but his stupid base that is paranoid about Mexican immigrants even though most of them live far away from Mexico.

A recent study showed that attitudes towards Mexicans was inversely related to how often the people interacted with them.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:35:16pm

re: #402 Belafon

When I went to my first meeting with the county Democratic party, the leader said that the state party here in Texas doesn’t talk to the local parties.

Not a really good way to run an organisation. Kind of like my state party.

Perhaps if the state party had a message it could disseminate to county parties, so everyone working for the party was working on the same issues …

If county parties could talk to the state party to tell them what is working in the field and what isn’t, what they need for support and what they don’t … .

Nah. That would be too organised. Can’t have an organised message.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

re: #412 Belafon

A recent study showed that attitudes towards Mexicans was inversely related to how often the people interacted with them.

I reckon the same is true about Muslims.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:36:58pm

re: #411 Decatur Deb

Y marijuana que fumar. The Colorado growers will back the tariff.

I wasn’t aware we put a tariff on illegally-imported cannabis. 20% of zero is still zero. I don’t think Mexican importers declare their goods at a customs house for that.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:37:03pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

Interesting.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:37:29pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:37:41pm

re: #415 Anymouse

I wasn’t aware we put a tariff on illegally-imported cannabis. 20% of zero is still zero. I don’t think Mexican importers declare their goods at a customs house for that.

But that’s criminal.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:39:54pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

But that’s criminal.

Exactly. So why would Colorado growers be concerned about a tariff on Mexican goods? I would think they would be far more concerned about Jeff Sessions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:40:02pm

re: #394 electrotek

I’ve noticed that extreme leftist dudebros are just as misogynistic as their extreme rightist counterparts.

extremes tend to overlap.

I was reading about the militant strain of feminism that developed in Germany in the 60’s and 70’s. Seems that unlike in America, where feminism was an accepted part of the leftist counterculture, the class warriors in Germany’s leftist movement had little regard for women and little use for them outside their previous traditional roles.

That led to feminism splintering off into a movement of its own.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:42:26pm

re: #419 Anymouse

Exactly. So why would Colorado growers be concerned about a tariff on Mexican goods? I would think they would be far more concerned about Jeff Sessions.

That’s The Honorable Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third, if you please.

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Anymouse  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:44:08pm

re: #421 Decatur Deb

That’s The Honorable Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third, if you please.

No honour there.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:44:30pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:46:25pm

re: #423 Dr. Matt

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If I saw Bannon at a highway stoplight, I’d give him a few bucks, then use waterless hand cleaner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 2:54:28pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

45,000 job vacancies in the VA.
But he’s gonna take such good care of the veterans.

*spit*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 26, 2017 • 3:03:09pm

re: #387 ObserverArt

heh.
A couple of years ago the Democratic party in my county begged me to take over the job as county chair. But that would have required me to change my voter registration and I was not going to give up the power of my vote as a registered Republican to do my small part in keeping the fake Republicans (read = Ron/Rand Paul Libertarians) in taking over the local and state GOP. Also, our local elected offices are ALL selected during the GOP primaries in May, so if I want a say in who gets to be in local office, I have to remain a registered Republican because November elections are just an annoying formality.

They did manage to find another local registered Republican willing to change her registration to take the (unpaid) job. I help out as much as I can, but until we get some non-lunatic Democrats to run for office here (or even join the party), it’s an uphill battle. (Trust me, the Democrats here are just stunningly incompetent in just about everything…and that’s not including the Blue Dogs.)

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Bubblehead II  Jan 26, 2017 • 3:26:33pm

New Bob & Chez show,

Sea of Love: The Trump Crisis Day 89; Trump threatens martial law, North Korea will test fire a nuclear missile; Trump is mentally unfit to lead; Trump on nonexistent voter fraud; The Alex Jones Presidency; Trump can’t stop obsessing about his crowd size; Take The Oil; Trump thinks torture works; and more.

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gocart mozart  Jan 26, 2017 • 4:20:35pm

Always had a thing for Laura Petri

P1_TDVDS_S2_Ep20_It May Look Like a Walnut.


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