On Holocaust Remembrance Day, Trump Signs an Order Denying Asylum to Muslims Fleeing ISIS

Disgusting beyond belief

PoliticsJanuary 2017 • Views: 54,474

This is such a disgusting story, I haven’t been able to bring myself to write about it today. But I guess we have to carry on, no matter how terrifying and wrong this Trump administration gets, so here it is.

On Holocaust Remembrance Day, the day when the world commemorates the horrors of the Holocaust and the grievous guilt of the countries who turned away Jews trying to flee the Nazis, this monster signs an executive order turning away refugees trying to flee from ISIS, and installing a religious test for immigrants that’s a blatant betrayal of the principles of the United States, and reminiscent of the Nazis’ Nuremberg Laws.

This headline makes me literally feel sick: Trump signs order temporarily halting admission of refugees, promises priority for Christians.

In one week, Donald Trump has done more to wreck this nation than any external enemies ever have. He told us what he was going to do in his campaign, and now he’s doing it.

But one group is undoubtedly very happy about this: ISIS. Donald Trump is handing them a propaganda gift that exceeds their wildest dreams, letting them portray the US as the enemy. A country that hates Muslims and discriminates against them. And if this disgusting order is allowed to stand, who can say they’re wrong?

The ugliest first week of a presidency in the history of the American republic.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) January 26, 2017

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Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 5:27:16pm

“Never Forget” has the ugly way of morphing into “Never Remember”

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 5:27:33pm

All I have is tears.

Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 5:29:32pm

Trump voters may say they want to destroy ISIS, but little did they know that by electing Trump, they gave ISIS exactly what it wanted.

But I don’t expect Trump voters to actually understand this - or most every other topic, for that matter.

Timothy Watson Jan 27, 2017 • 5:32:07pm

Reposted from downstairs:

Nonprofits and political organizations should really take a lesson from the Southern Poverty Law Center when it comes to donations.

Instead of harassing someone, who has already given money to you, with solicitations asking for more money, send them a four page letter about how they were founded, what they’re doing now, and how they plan to expand in the future.

The best part? The entire mailing was just the letter. No solicitations for more money or anything. Makes me want to donate money to them more than any type of solicitation I have ever gotten from another group.

lawhawk Jan 27, 2017 • 5:33:53pm

Unfu…

Again, totally fucking believable. Trump said he’d do it. And he’s gone and done it. Where are the GOPers who said this was illegal and unconstitutional now? Hmmm??? You know, like current VP Pence.

These nutters will go along with all this because. They are in power and screw the Constitution. They talk about morals and ethics, and they repeatedly show they have none.

They’ve cloaked this in innocuous language, but the intent and outcome is as noxious as it gets. They are going to doom a lot of people to death and misery - all over bullshit worries and claims that there are terrorist infiltrators among the refugees seeking asylum in the US.

And it’s the same fucking arguments made that kept the US from admitting Jews fleeing Nazi Germany before World War II. They worried that there might be infiltrators. That we might bring various illnesses/ailments. That we would ruin the economy. ALL the same arguments.

Trump and his white nationalist bigot brigade are recycling the old tropes with a new enemy - Muslims

And CAIR is already planning to file suit on behalf of 20 individuals. That’s just the start. Trump’s a week into his reign of terror and he’s already getting sued off his rocker.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 5:35:51pm

I’m really fighting not to lose hope. Trump is destroying everything good about the US. It’s a fucking nightmare, and we saw it coming long ago. This country will never be the same after this.

I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 5:36:35pm

When Pence runs for President hopefully someone will ask him if its legal or not.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 5:37:10pm

As far as I can tell, nothing that Trump has done so far as president has really dented his support among the deplorables that put him and the Republicans into power.

That means that the deplorables and the Republicans own this shit show and all its consequences, top to bottom and side to side. It’s all on them.

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 5:39:07pm

Trump executive order calls for temporarily halting all #refugee admissions & blocking all entries from 7 #Muslim-… https://t.co/0I7CLqHpo1

— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) January 28, 2017

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The Muslim/Arab victims of the worst oppression and terror now have the bast possible sanctuary snatched away over imaginary fears. Tears https://t.co/mgtvfU5E6B

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 28, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 5:41:18pm

The ugliest first week of a presidency in the history of the American republic.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) January 26, 2017

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Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 5:44:56pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Are we even a republic any longer?

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 5:47:47pm

re: #11 Moebym

Are we even a republic any longer?

If we have normal elections over the next few years, yes. If we don’t, then no.

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 5:49:06pm

re: #11 Moebym

Are we even a republic any longer?

We are now officially heartless and uncaring about anyone but ourselves.

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 5:50:24pm

Selfish and angry are now the salient aspects of American expression as a nation. How perfectly awful.

Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 5:51:22pm

Trump’s executive orders are a blatant betrayal of the founding principles of the US. This is absolutely horrifying. https://t.co/AQG9s4Wiqe

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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lawhawk Jan 27, 2017 • 5:52:09pm

Jeebus….

Decorated actor John Hurt dead at 77 https://t.co/XLuOr3kjOV pic.twitter.com/F7mrjQDfNM

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) January 28, 2017

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Died from complications of pancreatic cancer.

Damn… just damn…

HypnoToad Jan 27, 2017 • 5:52:33pm

re: #13 Unshaken Defiance

We are now officially heartless and uncaring about anyone but ourselves.

Excepting of course those of ourselves that are victims of natural disasters and the soon to come industrial disasters.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 5:53:04pm

re: #3 Moebym

Trump voters may say they want to destroy ISIS, but little did they know that by electing Trump, they gave ISIS exactly what it wanted.

But I don’t expect Trump voters to actually understand this - or most every other topic, for that matter.

Senior Republicans around Trump absolutely do not want to see ISIS destroyed. They need to have a boogieman to help sell the fear.

If we do get a major terrorist attack on the US while Trump is in power, the absolute worst case scenario is this demented fascist getting the benefit of a “rally around the flag” sentiment.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 5:53:11pm

“The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program…” pic.twitter.com/5DnNl5O7tP

— Rep. Don Beyer (@RepDonBeyer) January 28, 2017

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 5:53:58pm

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 5:54:14pm

re: #16 lawhawk

It’s not lost on me that he was the star of 1984.

The universe is having fun with us.

electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 5:54:15pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

Senior Republicans around Trump absolutely do not want to see ISIS destroyed. They need to have a boogieman to help sell the fear.

If we do get a major terrorist attack on the US while Trump is in power, the absolute worst case scenario is this demented fascist getting the benefit of a “rally around the flag” sentiment.

When that happens, will we see a repeat of the mass outpouring and support that we first experienced in the wake of 9/11?

Shiplord Kirel Jan 27, 2017 • 5:54:47pm

MS Saint Louis and the “Voyage of the Damned” aka the Ship of Shame.

The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which its captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for 908 Jewish refugees from Germany. After they were denied entry to Cuba, the United States, and Canada, the refugees were finally accepted in various European countries, and historians have estimated that approximately a quarter of them died in death camps during World War II.

Captain Schröder was persecuted by the Nazis for his actions but he survived the war and was declared Righteous Among the Nations at Yad Vashem for his heroic effort to find a home for the refugees. At one point he seriously considered beaching the ship in Florida and giving the passengers a chance to run for it. He didn’t because the ship was shadowed by the Coast Guard and would have been boarded as soon as he entered US territorial waters.

Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 5:54:52pm

Visas being denied immediately. Chaos at airports and in the air. #MuslimBan will apply to green card holders attempting to return tonight.

— Abed A. Ayoub (@aayoub) January 28, 2017

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 5:55:47pm

This thread is something else.

Just left my therapist. She told me 100% of her patients are struggling trying to cope with this election. Holy crap.

— Elon James White (@elonjames) January 27, 2017

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

re: #22 electrotek

When that happens, will we see a repeat of the mass outpouring and support that we first experienced in the wake of 9/11?

If we do, we will not deserve it because of the actions of W Bush and Trump, that’s for damn sure.

JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 5:56:46pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

This is how people get radicalized.

Great job, America. Really fantastic work we did here.

lawhawk Jan 27, 2017 • 5:58:01pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

And those are the people who would have standing to sue Trump over his EO.

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 5:58:28pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Trump’s executive orders are a blatant betrayal of the founding principles of the US. This is absolutely horrifying. https://t.co/AQG9s4Wiqe

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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Our victory over the Nazis now means so much less. As do we. The shining light on the hill, the lighthouse is about to be dimmed to nothing https://t.co/330qxoZopF

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 28, 2017

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Ace Rothstein Jan 27, 2017 • 5:58:38pm

I can’t believe I never told my brother and sister about LGF, but I just texted them to check it out and hopefully they can register and become part of the lizard community here. They (and my sister-in-law) would make this community even better than it already is. They’re native Texans living in Cincinnati, my brother is an engineer, my sister a nursing student and bartender, and SIL a veterinarian.

Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 6:00:03pm

@colourmedevine The US hasn’t always lived up to its founding principles. But Trump is destroying all the progress we’ve made.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 6:00:17pm

re: #30 Ace Rothstein

I can’t believe I never told my brother and sister about LGF, but I just texted them to check it out and hopefully they can register and become part of the lizard community here. They (and my sister-in-law) would make this community even better than it already is. They’re native Texans living in Cincinnati, my brother is an engineer, my sister a nursing student and bartender, and SIL a veterinarian.

a bartending nurse? Does she ask, “what ales you?

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:00:20pm

Statement on Donald Trump’s executive order targeting Muslims. pic.twitter.com/GO9FHtx6Om

— Rep. Jared Polis (@RepJaredPolis) January 28, 2017

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:01:05pm

re: #27 JasonA

This is how people get radicalized.

Great job, America. Really fantastic work we did here.

Bannon wants a major terror attack on the US to succeed. That would likely give him everything he wants without the risk of having to do a Reichstag fire incident using US neo-Nazi operatives.

PhillyPretzel Jan 27, 2017 • 6:02:05pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

Let us hope he never gets it.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:02:29pm

Trump says Christian #refugees get preference. What’s the test? Would he pass it? Do we just throw them in ponds to see if they float?

— Shannyn Moore (@shannynmoore) January 28, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 6:03:29pm

So you “voted your conscience?” Congrats. You now own Trump’s #MuslimBan. You own his ban on refugees. History will judge you accordingly. pic.twitter.com/mUC4mon4W2

— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) January 28, 2017

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Ace Rothstein Jan 27, 2017 • 6:04:22pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Has that been confirmed?

Ace Rothstein Jan 27, 2017 • 6:04:40pm

re: #32 I Would Prefer Not To

a bartending nurse? Does she ask, “what ales you?

Lol. Wine bar.

I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 6:05:19pm

re: #39 Ace Rothstein

Lol. Wine bar.

Close enough

Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 6:05:36pm

re: #38 Ace Rothstein

Yes, I’m seeing lots of reports on Twitter. The EO took effect immediately.

Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 6:05:41pm

US now looking at two children - one Christian, one Muslim - and saying: “You, your life is worth saving. You, yours isn’t.” #ExtremeVetting

— ChristianChristensen (@ChrChristensen) January 27, 2017

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PhillyPretzel Jan 27, 2017 • 6:06:28pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

I wonder what he would say about a Buddhist?

Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 6:07:24pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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@shannynmoore I assume something involving Pork. I wish I was kidding, seen too many Islamophobes who act like pork is Muslim kryptonite.

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 6:07:46pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

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Current mood.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:08:10pm

Please keep loving

— WeRateDogs™ (@dog_rates) January 28, 2017

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Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 6:09:01pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Or for people to vote their self-interest and BELIEVE it conscience.

Looking at YOU, third-party voters!

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:09:10pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not just dogs… other human beings are pretty cool to care about as well

— WeRateDogs™ (@dog_rates) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:11:05pm

Six months ago Mattis said talk of a Muslim ban was causing us great damage. Today he watched Trump sign such a ban. https://t.co/2NArmvb0Ma pic.twitter.com/H9OJn7Kcfy

— Loren DeJ. Schulman (@LorenRaeDeJ) January 28, 2017

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Sherlock Hound Jan 27, 2017 • 6:11:38pm

re: #17 HypnoToad

Excepting of course those of ourselves that are victims of natural disasters and the soon to come industrial disasters.

There are counties in GA that would disagree about “help” for natural disasters.

We will wish for Mr. “Heckuvajob Brownie” before long.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:11:56pm

Gold Star father Khizr Khan condemns Trump’s actions, urges all Americans to “stand for the values of this country”. https://t.co/xGOIagMpMs

— America’s Voice (@AmericasVoice) January 28, 2017

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Mr. Khan: “We are, by the blessings that we continue to receive by these values, are obligated to defend them.” https://t.co/W0zFrhkmti

— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:12:41pm

These five tweets show how a representative republic dies and uncontrollable anarchy begins against the ruling class.

Best case scenario, the world doesn’t blow up, but the federal government will.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:13:59pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

Of course. The US is under Republican rule at the Federal level, and the Republican party is the party of bigotry these days.

This has been true since completion of the civil rights alignment led to the extinction of liberal and moderate Republicans and of conservative Democrats.

Take any essay about contemporary US politics, search and replace “conservative” with “bigot”, and you will find that the meaning hasn’t changed much.

There are two kinds of conservative bigot:

1) The enthusiastic bigot (e.g., Trump). Loud and proud.

2) The closet-case bigot (e.g., most establishment Republicans). They don’t yell n***** all the time in public and think that means they aren’t bigots. However, they will do absolutely nothing to stop the loud bigots in their own party from enacting their bigotry.

We can no longer afford to pretend there is any real difference between categories 1 and 2 above.

lockjawcanbefun Jan 27, 2017 • 6:15:23pm

I think this is an appropriate evening to watch the Deaths-head revisited episode of Twilight Zone.

Death’s-Head Revisited (Dir. Don Medford, 1961)

Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 6:15:28pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even the Russians expected Trump to go down after he started attacking the Khans. Even THEY expected Americans to be at least decent enough not to vote for a guy who attacked a Gold Star family, but no.

Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 6:16:57pm

Trump: Christian refugees will get priority over other religions https://t.co/9uCClVP9AZ pic.twitter.com/E0REpAnZg6

— The Hill (@thehill) January 28, 2017

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That’s the most un Christian idea from a President this millennium. Irony died. Jesus protect us from his idea of Christian. https://t.co/DAe8ihqkAj

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 28, 2017

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:17:29pm

re: #52 Myron Falwell

The entire world gets to test their contingency plans for the “madman in the White House” scenario.

Maybe the US plutocrats financing this shit show will get off their asses when they see the entire rest of the world start setting up mutual defense treaties vs. the US.

goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 6:17:31pm

Trump immigration enforcement priorities include everyone convicted, charged, or who “committed acts” that constitute ANY crime. pic.twitter.com/wiwolZjrJi

— Carl Takei (@carltakei) January 25, 2017

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Basically Trump just erased the fifth amendment right to due process and the sixth amendment right to a jury trial for all targeted immigrant residents.

I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 6:18:08pm

I really thought he would wait for a terrorist attack to do this. So far, i’ve been wrong about everything.

Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:18:45pm

“We don’t want them here.”
What a sad, selfish sentiment. pic.twitter.com/KRFta78IVT

— sportsyelling. (@sportsyelling) January 28, 2017

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Imagine pretending to care about America so hard that you keep out people who are fleeing from a war but won’t do anything about guns. 🤷🏽‍♀️

— sportsyelling. (@sportsyelling) January 28, 2017

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@sportsyelling it’s my right as an American to be murdered by an assault rifle held by a mentally ill person who we refused to treat

— Jason C (@JasonC_101) January 28, 2017

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@JasonC_101 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

— sportsyelling. (@sportsyelling) January 28, 2017

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:19:59pm

re: #59 I Would Prefer Not To

I really thought he would wait for a terrorist attack to do this. So far, i’ve been wrong about everything.

If Trump gets these preliminaries done first, the response to the terrorist attack can be much simpler. Martial law + an enabling act.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:20:19pm

🎼Misty water-colored memories/ of the way we were pic.twitter.com/DOjU4D4Fq2

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 28, 2017

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 27, 2017 • 6:21:13pm

This is not okay.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:21:43pm

Tomorrow’s front page…
CLOSING THE GOLDEN DOOR
Trump signs ‘extreme vetting’ order that targets refugees https://t.co/NOQP8kZFwp pic.twitter.com/ey1AYlEHDW

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:22:20pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

The entire world gets to test their contingency plans for the “madman in the White House” scenario.

Maybe the US plutocrats financing this shit show will get off their asses when they see the entire rest of the world start setting up mutual defense treaties vs. the US.

Nah, the plutocrats won’t recognize that it’s a problem until it’s too late, and they all get burned.

No sympathy for any of those fuckers.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:22:34pm

This Administration has mistaken cruelty for strength & prejudice for strategy. This is not who we are as a country. https://t.co/ZVGEG3ydtW pic.twitter.com/0B2k65SAv8

— Nancy Pelosi (@NancyPelosi) January 28, 2017

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:23:27pm

re: #63 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A small fraction of the electorate is perfectly happy to goose-step the US into fascism under Trump, and too many Democrats and media figures are pretending that this is business as usual.

Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:23:58pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

If Trump gets these preliminaries done first, the response to the terrorist attack can be much simpler. Martial law + an enabling act.

And then open rebellion. It’s 1775 all over again.

stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 6:26:18pm

re: #25 JasonA

This thread is something else.

“Just left my therapist. She told me 100% of her patients are struggling trying to cope with this election. Holy crap.”

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My therapist told me it wasn’t worth getting mad or anxious about this election. That made me mad at him.

jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 6:26:18pm

Condemning a bunch of refugees to die on the same day you praise March for Life is one of the sickest things I’ve ever seen

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:26:58pm

re: #59 I Would Prefer Not To

I really thought he would wait for a terrorist attack to do this. So far, i’ve been wrong about everything.

Anyone working for a Trump-branded ANYTHING anywhere on planet earth is probably splashing themselves with holy water and double-checking their living wills.

And honestly, when they get attacked, the global reaction will be the exact opposite of 9/11. Because Trump deserved it.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:27:14pm

re: #65 Myron Falwell

Nah, the plutocrats won’t recognize that it’s a problem until it’s too late, and they all get burned.

No sympathy for any of those fuckers.

It’s bad enough that we have a plutocracy. I’m resigned to that. It’s their apparent absolute and total incompetence that’s really getting to me.

You’d have to be an idiot not to realize that Trump in the White House is an existential threat to all human life on the planet.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 27, 2017 • 6:27:16pm

re: #69 stpaulbear

My therapist told me it wasn’t worth getting mad or anxious about this election. That made me mad at him.

Your therapist is a fucking idiot.

Sorry.

William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 6:27:17pm

William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 6:27:58pm

re: #69 stpaulbear

My therapist told me it wasn’t worth getting mad or anxious about this election. That made me mad at him.

Fire him.

Sherlock Hound Jan 27, 2017 • 6:28:05pm

re: #25 JasonA

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 6:28:52pm

My family & I are refugees from Somalia. I’ve resettled refugees. I worked on refugee rights for Human Rights Watch. This ban means death.

— Yasmin Yonis (@YasminYonis) January 28, 2017

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electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 6:29:39pm

re: #71 Myron Falwell

Anyone working for a Trump-branded ANYTHING anywhere on planet earth is probably splashing themselves with holy water and double-checking their living wills.

And honestly, when they get attacked, the global reaction will be the exact opposite of 9/11. Because Trump deserved it.

Will life insurance cover them?

Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:29:40pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

It’s bad enough that we have a plutocracy. I’m resigned to that. It’s their apparent absolute and total incompetence that’s really getting to me.

You’d have to be an idiot not to realize that Trump in the White House is an existential threat to all human life on the planet.

Or the plutocrats want it to happen.

Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Jan 27, 2017 • 6:30:30pm

At the rate that Trump is going, if he is not shut down by either the Congress or by Federal courts, and quickly for these numerous blatant Constitutional violations, I fully expect to see his followers instigating a Kristallnacht - styled crackdown on Muslims in the United States within half a year’s time - and he will order law enforcement and National Guard officers to look the other way while it happens.

Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:31:47pm

re: #80 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

At the rate that Trump is going, if he is not shut down by either the Congress or by Federal courts, and quickly for these numerous blatant Constitutional violations, I fully expect to see his followers instigating a Kristallnacht - styled crackdown on Muslims in the United States within half a year’s time - and he will order law enforcement and National Guard officers to look the other way while it happens.

I think we’re really close to another civil war. That might be what causes it to happen.

Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 6:32:24pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

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Basically Trump just erased the fifth amendment right to due process and the sixth amendment right to a jury trial for all targeted immigrant residents.

They’re going to need bigger camps.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:34:05pm

re: #79 Myron Falwell

Or the plutocrats want it to happen.

That’s the part I just don’t get. The plutocrats rule the world now, and life is very good for them. Excluding head cases like Peter Thiel, how are they going to see some post-Apocalypse hellscape as being better for them?

Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 6:34:12pm

Is there anything that Bannon puts in front of Trump that he won’t sign?

Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 6:34:16pm

CAIR will need donations. Call your reps. For those with Democratic representatives, ask them to bring up legislation and file a lawsuit.

electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 6:34:31pm

David Bowie left us too soon. He was married to a refugee from one of the countries that Trump has banned entry from. Her name was Iman.

That’s all I’m going to say about this matter.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:34:58pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

Is there anything that Bannon puts in front of Trump that he won’t sign?

No.

Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 6:35:39pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

Some of them think they will get even richer, I guess.

Jenner7 Jan 27, 2017 • 6:35:44pm

#NotMyPresident pic.twitter.com/Uf8DyQpdWP

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 27, 2017 • 6:36:08pm

Dear @POTUS: on Holocaust Remembrance Day my synagogue told me the Syrian refugee family we’re sponsoring is not coming. Go fuck yourself.

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) January 27, 2017

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PhillyPretzel Jan 27, 2017 • 6:36:09pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

No. That Trump person will sign anything from anyone. He does not know or care. All he cares about is getting his picture in the papers/internet of him signing papers. He is doing something.

Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Jan 27, 2017 • 6:36:54pm

re: #89 Jenner7

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I expect that France is going to want that statue back soon.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:37:32pm

re: #88 Skip Intro

Some of them think they will get even richer, I guess.

An apocalypse lowers all boats.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 27, 2017 • 6:37:39pm

Back on Sunday, Lizards. Hopefully better able to cope.

jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 6:38:13pm

Imagine explaining to a child refugee that the richest strongest country in the world is scared to let him inside. We’re pathetic.

— Dan Amira (@DanAmira) January 28, 2017

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stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 6:39:50pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Your therapist is a fucking idiot.

Sorry.

Yes, he is. I actually gave him notice today. I have better ways to spend every Tuesday after work.

EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:40:53pm

re: #95 jaunte

Trump and the Republicans really do embody most of the worst traits of humanity. Their lust for power is unholy. Dishonesty is their very essence. Cruelty is their entertainment. Their greed they call good.

On top of all that, they are the worst cowards imaginable, with a yellow streak a mile wide.

Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 6:42:08pm

I’m sure it’s a coincidence that Trump’s EO banning immigration from Muslim countries excludes the countries he has business interests in.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 6:43:34pm

Dick Cheney thinks Trump’s Muslim ban is “against everything we stand for” https://t.co/3XlmlXCBXw pic.twitter.com/OLmJ8exnUZ

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) December 8, 2015

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Jesus Apocalypse Christ, when even the Villainous Lord of Evil himself thinks you’re acting like a dick https://t.co/MV5RbyWjKM

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 6:43:55pm

re: #70 jaunte

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I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 6:44:14pm

re: #76 Sherlock Hound

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re: #83 EPR-radar

That’s the part I just don’t get. The plutocrats rule the world now, and life is very good for them. Excluding head cases like Peter Thiel, how are they going to see some post-Apocalypse hellscape as being better for them?

They want to watch the world burn.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 6:44:29pm

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 6:44:43pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

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If you’ve lost Cheney…

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stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 6:44:48pm

re: #81 Myron Falwell

I think we’re really close to another civil war. That might be what causes it to happen.

I don’t know how I feel about that. Even the people who work within institutions are rebelling against Trump. There’s really not that many people that need to be removed from power. I don’t want to go throwing rocks at government buildings.

My first inclination is to find out how tasty rich people are…
//

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 6:45:27pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

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Is that verified? I really can’t imagine Darth Cheney being against this.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 6:45:47pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

But Cheney still supports him 100%, as does his daughter, the Congresswoman.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 6:46:23pm

re: #105 William Lewis

Is that verified? I really can’t imagine Darth Cheney being against this.

He said that on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show ~~today~~ in 2015.

Thanks DuckDharma for catching that, I wasn’t paying attention.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 6:46:28pm

re: #106 Skip Intro

But Cheney still supports him 100%, as does his daughter, the Congresswoman.

True point.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 27, 2017 • 6:46:28pm

Extreme Vetting doesn’t cover Saudi Arabia where 15 9/11 hijackers came from. It appears Trump only hates poor muslims. #MuslimBan

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 6:46:36pm

re: #102 William Lewis

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stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 6:48:02pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

That’s the part I just don’t get. The plutocrats rule the world now, and life is very good for them. Excluding head cases like Peter Thiel, how are they going to see some post-Apocalypse hellscape as being better for them?

Fucker Thiel just became a citizen of New Zealand.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:48:16pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

That’s the part I just don’t get. The plutocrats rule the world now, and life is very good for them. Excluding head cases like Peter Thiel, how are they going to see some post-Apocalypse hellscape as being better for them?

They forget that when you die (or in this case, are vaporized by a nuclear warhead) your earthly possessions are fucking worthless.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 6:50:08pm

Trump ordering 30-day ban on entry of nationals of Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen. Making good on promise to ban Muslims.

— Cecillia Wang (@WangCecillia) January 25, 2017

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Trump waited til Holocaust Remembrance Day to block refugee admissions. Order leaked Wed has been signed, mostly same. https://t.co/5gIiAamEnP

— Cecillia Wang (@WangCecillia) January 27, 2017

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He signed it today on purpose. He signed it today on purpose. https://t.co/8ekFNmv2mZ

— Vivien Shotwell ♪ (@vivienshotwell) January 28, 2017

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 6:50:23pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

He did? The Talking Points Memo story is from 2015

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:51:12pm

re: #112 Myron Falwell

They forget that when you die (or in this case, are vaporized by a nuclear warhead) your earthly possessions are fucking worthless.

Even if the plutocrats survive the first collapse of civilization, their property rights and skills will become worthless one way or another. Warlordism has no respect for property rights of anyone but the warlord, and the new warlords aren’t going to be the old plutocrats.

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Amory Blaine Jan 27, 2017 • 6:51:23pm

My cynicism has not been wasted. Fuck you america.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:51:51pm

re: #104 stpaulbear

I don’t know how I feel about that. Even the people who work within institutions are rebelling against Trump. There’s really not that many people that need to be removed from power. I don’t want to go throwing rocks at government buildings.

My first inclination is to find out how tasty rich people are…
//

My deepest fear hasn’t been a replay of Nazi Germany, but of 1990 Romania and 1991 Yugoslavia.

War based solely on party identification.

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 6:53:28pm

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

I wonder what he would say about a Buddhist?

We know what our Christian President would do—turn the Buddhist child away in the name of Je$u$…

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:53:30pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

He said that on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show today.

Cheney is only upset that Trump went as far as he did.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 6:54:16pm

WTH is going on at the New York Times? “Trump Bars Syrian Refugees Indefinitely to Keep Terrorists Out” https://t.co/8TrwVxWDbr

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 6:54:52pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

It couldn’t be a more appropriate fate. Fuck ‘em.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 6:56:33pm

re: #114 DuckDharma

He did? The Talking Points Memo story is from 2015

Yep. You’re right. Old news. I wonder if he’s singing a different tune these days?

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 6:57:25pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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Existential crisis. “How do we keep pushing ‘Both Sides’ when one side has clearly decided Emperor Palpatine is a role model? I’ve got it, we try to spin that side as having good intentions so we can keep saying both sides are equally flawed. BRILLIANT!”

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 6:57:39pm

re: #111 stpaulbear

Fucker Thiel just became a citizen of New Zealand.

Thiel is on record as wanting to see the world burn, which is why I made a special exception for him because he’s batcrap insane.

Perhaps the US plutocracy really is so jaded by the accumulated filth of their perversions that they will end civilization just because they are bored, but I’m not ready to assume that yet.

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 6:57:47pm

Some good news

Philadelphians blocked the GOP from returning to Washington on their chartered Amtrak today pic.twitter.com/KjJnlQztXd

— let’s go (@ptrmsk) January 28, 2017

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 6:58:08pm

re: #111 stpaulbear

Fucker Thiel just became a citizen of New Zealand.

So many countries to ruin, so little time.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 6:58:09pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

My #107 is updated.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:01:39pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

You have a clear majority of the populace who is now visibly angry at them as a collective unit, led by Trump. The protests aren’t stopping, and they’re getting more and more pronounced.

At the rate this is going, delayed trains may be the worst of the GOP’s concerns.

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:01:48pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

So many countries to ruin, so little time.

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:02:10pm

Confirmed: Visa orders from the listed countries have been denied boarding their flights back to the US. #MuslimBan

— Abed A. Ayoub (@aayoub) January 28, 2017

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This is cruel, unjust, and counterproductive. https://t.co/rsMmmiK1K4

— Alberto (@12minds) January 28, 2017

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:02:36pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

May he acquire a hundred thousand amorous sheep.

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:02:38pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Thank you for sharing this badly needed piece of good news. Republican pig fuckers need to know they are hated.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:02:56pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

But he’ll have plenty of cover to see the mushroom clouds due northeast in his former homeland.

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:03:11pm

re: #131 jaunte

May he acquire the fleas of a hundred thousand amorous sheep.

FTFY.

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scottslemmons Jan 27, 2017 • 7:03:46pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

((Thiel watches “Lord of the Rings”))

“Hmm, that’s pretty. I think I’d like to destroy it.”

((applies for NZ citizenship))

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:03:55pm

re: #133 Myron Falwell

But he’ll have plenty of cover to see the mushroom clouds due northeast in his former homeland.

Until the goodwill ambassadors from the wreckage of the US catch up with him.

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BeachDem Jan 27, 2017 • 7:06:05pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:06:07pm

No refugees except the Christian kind was the position of pretty much all the GOP presidential candidates, FYI.

— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) January 28, 2017

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Important, I think, to remember this is a GOP principle, not just a Trump thing. https://t.co/N8mtZL32Nb

— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) January 28, 2017

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I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 7:06:16pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

Sheep. But who am I to judge?

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:07:25pm

re: #138 jaunte

Republicans are bigots. Maybe we’ll finally see this message get into the main stream media.

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 7:08:12pm

re: #137 BeachDem

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:08:42pm

re: #138 jaunte

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stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 7:08:43pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

As long as there are other people there, he’ll have something to steal. He’ll go after land.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:10:04pm

Fuck the Republican party seriously. I have family that came to this country fleeing famine. They too were said to be the “wrong religion.” Family that came here fleeing persecution and they looked wrong to the bigots. We are all Muslims tonight.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:12:18pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

There’s not much for Thiel to steal in NZ.

He can help install the NZ Trump.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:12:35pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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bratwurst Jan 27, 2017 • 7:13:35pm

I am sure this was pointed out earlier in the week…but as I was blessedly semi-off the grid, I hope you will indulge me the likely repetition of this:

Billionaire George Soros Has Ties to More Than 50 ‘Partners’ of the Women’s March on Washington https://t.co/WHvKPXuUYd pic.twitter.com/XfK7rWkIpX

— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) January 23, 2017

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and a hearty middle finger to those here and elsewhere who were convinced that we all need to listen to the “new” Glenn Beck. Idiots.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:13:45pm

This will keep adding to the people angry at Republicans.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:13:48pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

The terrorists are already here. They run the country now.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 7:13:56pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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Not that it will make a difference but I sent a complaint to their Ombudsman. But yeah, the NYT is gone, just another propaganda outlet.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:13:58pm

Holy crap, I go to a village board meeting for two hours (my car was frozen to the ground so it took me some time to go), and this happens?

If I were a Christian (I will anyway) I would cite that shortest verse in the Bible: “Jesus wept.”

If there was a mosque nearby, I would be doing what another said above: Tell the imam, worshippers, anyone around that as an atheist, I would stand for their freedom of religion.

This is a nightmare.

How scared to conservatives have to be? Apparently not much has changed since the MV Saint Louis incident.

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 7:15:08pm

re: #130 jaunte

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So hundreds to thousands of people who “followed the rules” will now have to spend a minimum 30 days stuck overseas because of Derr Trumpenfuhrer. Jobs will be lost, bank accounts emptied, people’s entire futures put in jeopardy because of this craziness.

If these people don’t have standing in a federal court to sue this asshole, then our entire republic may be in dire jeopardy.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:15:38pm

re: #151 Anymouse

It’s not fear, it’s hate, spawned by decades of talk radio and Fox propaganda.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:15:55pm

re: #147 bratwurst

I am sure this was pointed out earlier in the week…but as I was blessedly semi-off the grid, I hope you will indulge me the likely repetition of this:

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and a hearty middle finger to those here and elsewhere who were convinced that we all need to listen to the “new” Glenn Beck. Idiots.

You know what pisses me off about the Soros bitching? These are the same people who love love the Citizens United decision. I don’t give a shit if Soros is connected to the groups or not. He has a right to be. Soros has done much more for actual democracy than the Koch Brothers and their Bircher father ever did.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:16:08pm

Trump refugee order dashes hopes of Iraqis who helped the U.S. https://t.co/yZyKiLDyZl

— Ned Parker (@nedmparker1) January 28, 2017

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Good luck finding allies for the next engagement.

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 7:16:46pm

re: #150 William Lewis

Not that it will make a difference but I sent a complaint to their Ombudsman. But yeah, the NYT is gone, just another propaganda outlet.

The thing is, people are mistaking the NYT’s acts for something new or different. They aren’t, this is the same NYT who was carrying major water for the White House during the run-up and initial months of the Iraq War. They were every bit like Trump, only deciding the lack of WMDs was an issue a year after the war had been fought and the nation-building begun.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:17:12pm

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 7:17:33pm

Trump refugee order dashes hopes of Iraqis who helped the U.S. https://t.co/gje8cuIChO

— Reuters World (@ReutersWorld) January 28, 2017

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By shitting all over local allies, translators, informants, etc Trump just made the US military’s counter terrorism job MUCH more difficult. https://t.co/w2soR8YCSR

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) January 28, 2017

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 7:17:59pm

re: #151 Anymouse

I try to be a Christian. I look to this coming Sunday’s readings.
Micah 6:1-8
Psalm 15
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
Matthew 5:1-12

and I know, no true scotsman be damned, that there are no Christians in that regime.

And now to work.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:18:11pm

re: #155 jaunte

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Good luck finding allies for the next engagement.

Trump sure knows how to say thank you. Fucking asshole. I opposed that war strongly but those Iraqs who helped us took a great risk to themselves and their families.

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allegro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:18:33pm

Trump just made every American a target.

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Timothy Watson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:18:47pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

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No one gets left behind, unless they’re Muslim.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:18:51pm

re: #153 Skip Intro

It’s not fear, it’s hate, spawned by decades of talk radio and Fox propaganda.

It wasn’t spawned by radio and FOX: that hate was always there. All they did was monetise and weaponise it.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:19:16pm

Trump refugee order dashes hopes of Iraqis who helped the U.S. https://t.co/He2Jonku7Q

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:19:45pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

He said that on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show ~~today~~ in 2015.

Thanks DuckDharma for catching that, I wasn’t paying attention.

In your defense, who would listen to Hugh “#GPOWDAUND” Hewitt anyway?

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:19:54pm

Trump gave ISIS exactly what they want in their propaganda. Exactly what they want.Way to go assholes. I hope your “economic anxiety” was worth it.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:20:01pm

Trump fucking over our allies means many more of our soldiers will die the next time.
And there will be a next time.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:20:10pm

re: #159 William Lewis

I try to be a Christian. I look to this coming Sunday’s readings.
Micah 6:1-8
Psalm 15
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
Matthew 5:1-12

and I know, no true scotsman be damned, that there are no ~~Christians~~ compassionate people in that regime.

And now to work.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:20:29pm

Another reason to hate the NYT: if I can subscribe with a couple of clicks of the mouse I should be able to cancel the same damn way.

So who gets that money now? Still haven’t forgiven MJ for the dapper Spencer article…

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:21:20pm

Don’t repost this image showing how little hair Trump has. He really hates it.

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 7:21:26pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Trump gave ISIS exactly what they want in their propaganda. Exactly what they want.Way to go assholes. I hope your “economic anxiety” was worth it.

During campaign: “We’re not singling out Muslims, this is totally about national security. We’re going to deny all refugees.”

After inauguration: “What, you believed that shit? How cute. Now move aside, Habib, that Christian behind you wants his green card.”

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:21:31pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

That’s the part I just don’t get. The plutocrats rule the world now, and life is very good for them. Excluding head cases like Peter Thiel, how are they going to see some post-Apocalypse hellscape as being better for them?

They want billions of the poor to die. They’re too stupid to realize that they’re playing with dynamite and it’s going to blow them away as well…

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:21:40pm

re: #163 Anymouse

It wasn’t spawned by radio and FOX: that hate was always there. All they did was monetise and weaponise it.

Hate like that does grow when it is nurtured, so radio and Fox News get credit for that growth.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:21:56pm

If you think fertilized eggs are people but refugee kids aren’t, you’re going to have to stop pretending your concerns are religious.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) January 25, 2017

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:22:03pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

He needs KFC. Hundreds of pounds of KFC.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:22:50pm

re: #167 jaunte

Trump fucking over our allies means many more of our soldiers will die the next time.
And there will be a next time.

That would be that Republican concern for active duty and veterans again. Apparently they are concerned enough of us aren’t dead yet.

The Nazis have been described as a “death cult” by historians. How is the Republican Party any different?

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:23:02pm

re: #174 JasonA

Republicans are a death cult. That means they aren’t followers of any civilized religion.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 7:23:02pm

re: #175 jaunte

He needs KFC. Hundreds of pounds of KFC.

I could see ol’ Fuckface just eating the skin like Cartman in South Park.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:23:10pm

One lesson from the 20th century is that when modern Empires fall, they rarely do so slowly. They collapse with stunning speed.

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:24:00pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

Republicans are a death cult. That means they aren’t followers of any civilized religion.

I stand by my assertion that they are nihilists. Yeah God and all that, but they view so little of life that it is worthless to them.

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:24:11pm

re: #179 JasonA

We would seem to be days away from the decision point in the US right now.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:26:42pm

The New York Times quietly changed their headline without a correction. Now reads: “Trump Bars Refugees and Citizens of 7 Muslim Countries”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 27, 2017 • 7:27:32pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

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Don’t repost this image showing how little hair Trump has. He really hates it.

Old. Bald. Bad combover. Ugly as sin. Orange. #IllegitimatePresident pic.twitter.com/ItLTYAziDm

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:27:33pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

We would seem to be days away from the decision point in the US right now.

Despite Mike Pence being a wingnut Dominionist, he does understand the basic functions of governance (even if that got him in trouble in Indiana with his constituents there).

Is there any way to appeal to whatever it takes (religion, sense of patriotism, &c) to reconsider that XXV Amendment? Or for that matter, any of the others (as it would appear Rep. Paul Ryan is not happy with this)?

Or is Movement Conservatism no longer the Party of Reagan, but now the Party of Pol Pot?

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:27:40pm

re: #174 JasonA

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Remember that Republicans only care about white fetuses. They want every Caucasian family to get into the Quiverfull movement to counter the demographic decline of whites.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:28:20pm

I mean if your logic is terrorism, it’s pretty damn curious that he doesn’t ban people from countries whose nationals were involved with 9[11 directly or the planning and what do you know, he has business interests in all of them. Trump is so full of shit. This really is disgraceful and to do it on Holocaust Remembrance Day no less. Fuck Trump.

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 7:28:21pm

Something to consider before going into full panic mode about every American being a target etc.

Mr. Sharro said he was insulted by suggestions that the visa ban might help create a new cadre of radicalized Muslims.

“The assumption that these people are going to flip into terrorists and start attacking the United States is driven by some very condescending liberal assumptions,” he said.

mobile.nytimes.com

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:28:38pm

re: #179 JasonA

Johan Galtung isn’t being proven wrong, either.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:29:45pm

re: #187 DuckDharma

Something to consider before going into full panic mode about every American being a target etc.

mobile.nytimes.com

If true, the Trump regime is going to be very disappointed.

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Timothy Watson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:30:44pm

Where the fuck is John Oliver when we need him?

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:30:59pm

Giving serious thought these days to what a general strike in the United States might look like.

— jelani cobb (@jelani9) January 28, 2017

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As have I https://t.co/XkIvHtN7Az

— Jennifer Gunter (@DrJenGunter) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:31:00pm

Even if these people don’t become terrorists. It’s definitely going to impact our perception in a negative way. Imagine you’re a young Muslim who actually has a fairly positive opinion of the West and you see this.

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I Would Prefer Not To Jan 27, 2017 • 7:31:45pm

re: #190 Timothy Watson

Where the fuck is John Oliver when we need him?

John Stewart.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:31:49pm

We’re in SO much trouble when even major newspapers can’t seem to make a real decision about where they stand on the Trump Horror.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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stpaulbear Jan 27, 2017 • 7:31:49pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Yep. I went over to the NYT to look for that headline and it was already gone. Hopefully someone got screamed at for that.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:32:10pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Bush didn’t either, then went to war against Iraq. Too many American companies have major investments in SA I guess.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:33:40pm

re: #187 DuckDharma

Something to consider before going into full panic mode about every American being a target etc.

mobile.nytimes.com

Mr. Sharro (whoever he is) is full of it. Americans have become targets over far less than this.

All Americans is probably hyperbolic, but only in the sense that all Americans don’t live or travel in places that would be high-value targets for attack (for example, I suspect my village is safe, and only three people have ever travelled out of the country - the store owner to Ukraine, and me and my wife to Canada, Germany, and Poland).

I’m wondering for our planned trip to Yukon if coming home will be safe.

I think its time to limber up my editorial pen for the newspaper again.

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:34:28pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Bush didn’t either, then went to war against Iraq. Too many American companies have major investments in SA I guess.

Yep I still believe his going into Iraq was an attempt to fix his father’s legacy. The irony? By doing that, he actually did fix his father’s legacy but ruined his own since H.W Bush for all his flaws did value international cooperation and careful planning.

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:35:30pm

re: #191 Myron Falwell

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If the Republicans keep pulling this shit they just might revive the Wobblies (IWW)…

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allegro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:35:50pm

re: #187 DuckDharma

Something to consider before going into full panic mode about every American being a target etc.

mobile.nytimes.com

That is making the assumption that we’re talking about Muslim terrorists targeting Americans. There will be retaliation against the US by our allies - see Mexico - for this bullshit Trump/GOP is pulling. Whatsherface made threats against our allies today at the UN. In a fucking week the US has earned Most Hated status among much if not most of the world because we now have insane “leadership” with the power to destroy the planet and a clearly stated inclination to do so.

Keep your “condescending liberal” crap.

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Tarkloon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:39:05pm

They are not just fleeing ISIS. They are fleeing war and death from Russia and Assad, they are fleeing hunger, and disease. They are fleeing chaos and strife for order and a future.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:39:12pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Yep I still believe his going into Iraq was an attempt to fix his father’s legacy. The irony? By doing that, he actually did fix his father’s legacy but ruined his own since H.W Bush for all his flaws did value international cooperation and careful planning.

I was stationed on recruiting duty, then in Spain during the buildup for the Persian Gulf War. (My wife and I repeatedly got bumped off the MAC flight to Spain to allow three more people going to Saudi Arabia.)

George HW Bush spent a long time building up overwhelming forces in Saudi Arabia, and issued specific directives that the strategic goal of a conflict would be to liberate Kuwait, not conquest of Iraq.

President Bush caught a lot of flack (especially from conservatives) for not invading Iraq, but he did exactly what he promised. His plan of careful slow buildup was meant to show Iraq that they had no chance if they chose to stay in Kuwait.

Saddam Hussein was the sort of megalomaniac that thought he was invincible. He reminds me of another leader today.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 7:44:15pm

Dick Cheney thinks Trump’s Muslim ban is “against everything we stand for” https://t.co/3XlmlXCBXw pic.twitter.com/OLmJ8exnUZ

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) December 8, 2015

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Dick Cheney is a vampire lich who lived without a pulse for over a year & shot his friend in the face but even he thinks Trump went too far. https://t.co/NWQnUFDEYl

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:45:21pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon

Fellow Worker and GDC Member Shot at Anti-Fascist Protest in Seattle

If the Republicans keep pulling this shit they just might revive the Wobblies (IWW)…

Well, the IWW still exists. (In the Seattle shooting at the protest of Milo Yiannopolis the man shot was a Wobbly.)

The IWW issued a statement about that (updated to note the shooter has not been arrested and was allowed to go free, police and politicians are silent):

(goes to the IWW)

On the evening of Friday, January 20th, a comrade of ours was shot in the stomach in the most public place on the University of Washington’s campus in Seattle - a place called “Red Square” for the color of its bricks rather than its politics.

This Fellow Worker (what members of the IWW call ourselves) and Defender (for GDC members) is a longtime anti-fascist and dedicated activist, a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and the General Defense Committee of the IWW. He’s currently in critical condition at Harborview Hospital in Seattle. They have a Level One Trauma center, so it’s likely he is receiving the best quality care available, for which we are deeply grateful.

More at the IWW.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Jan 27, 2017 • 7:45:21pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Not that I expect Cheney’s opinion on the matter to have changed, but mind the date on that tweet.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:45:37pm

Dick Cheney thought Trump’s Muslim ban is “against everything we stand for,” and then he endorsed Trump anyway because Hillary.

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EPR-radar Jan 27, 2017 • 7:46:42pm

re: #206 jaunte

Dick Cheney thought Trump’s Muslim ban is “against everything we stand for,” and then he endorsed Trump anyway because Hillary.

So then, almost like DF.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 7:47:05pm

re: #169 JasonA

Another reason to hate the NYT: if I can subscribe with a couple of clicks of the mouse I should be able to cancel the same damn way.

So who gets that money now? Still haven’t forgiven MJ for the dapper Spencer article…

The Economist or Sojourners are the best I can suggest.

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Charles Johnson Jan 27, 2017 • 7:47:38pm

I knew this week was going to be bad. Trump told us what he intended to do.

But goddamn.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:47:48pm

re: #169 JasonA

Another reason to hate the NYT: if I can subscribe with a couple of clicks of the mouse I should be able to cancel the same damn way.

So who gets that money now? Still haven’t forgiven MJ for the dapper Spencer article…

Teen Vogue.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:48:08pm

Seen a few reports of actions, but nothing I can verify with multiple sources. Everyone I know with immigration experience is bewildered.

— Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) January 28, 2017

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:48:40pm

One of Trump’s first acts as president was to turn away refugee children

The world will remember #MuslimBan #NoBanNoWall #ExtremeVetting

— Arjun Sethi (@arjunsethi81) January 28, 2017

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 7:49:01pm

re: #197 Anymouse

Karl Sharro, a Lebanese-Iraqi architect and commentator who is based in London.

From the article. And it’s hyperbolic because the most immediate threat here is the danger posed to Muslim Americans.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:49:44pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

That was over a year ago. Now Cheney thinks Trump didn’t go far enough, but he is happy we’ll be torturing people again.

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 7:50:42pm

re: #200 allegro

Okay, so you were only implying Americans would be targeted by radicalized Mexicans?

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:10pm

Presuming Trump’s immigration order gets challenged in court…what does he do if it gets tossed out?

— Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) January 28, 2017

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Tweet, I imagine https://t.co/EjDgTOL6NC

— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) January 28, 2017

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:13pm

8/ And we are not better for it - not at all. And we don’t look strong. We look cowardly. And each and every person out there celebrating…

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) January 28, 2017

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9/ …this decision, you don’t look tough. You don’t look patriotic. You look ignorant. And weak. Because you have turned your back…

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:14pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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It’s one thing hearing it. It’s another actually seeing it. Despite what people say, Hitler didn’t lie his way to power in Germany either. He told them what he was gonna do.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:14pm

re: #207 EPR-radar

So then, almost like DF.

Exactly. DF must be happier than he’s ever been in his life now.

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allegro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:22pm

re: #215 DuckDharma

Okay, so you were only implying Americans would be targeted by radicalized Mexicans?

Fuck off.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:32pm

Federal judge blocks Texas’ fetal remains rules for foreseeable future :

AUSTIN — U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks on Friday blocked Texas from enforcing a rule requiring fetal remains from abortions and miscarriages to be buried or cremated.

Sparks said the rules “likely are unconstitutionally vague and impose an undue burden on the right to an abortion.” He issued a preliminary injunction Friday that will stay in place until the case is decided. A trial date will be set in about a month.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said he plans to appeal the decision and continue to fight to honor “the dignity of the unborn.”

“Today’s ruling, however, reaffirms that the abortion lobby has grown so extreme that it will reject any and every regulation no matter how sensible,” Paxton said in a prepared statement. “Indeed, no longer content with merely ending the life of the unborn, the radical left now objects to even the humane treatment of fetal remains.”

Burying fetal tissue is less extreme than requiring background checks for guns in Paxton’s eyes.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 7:51:52pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon

If the Republicans keep pulling this shit they just might revive the Wobblies (IWW)…

Hey now, i am a Wobbly. Sic the black cat on the fascist bastards!

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:52:20pm

re: #205 A wild WITHAK appeared!

re: #214 Skip Intro

And even then, Cheney would have been upset because Trump fucking telegraphed the entire playbook. That Trump was actually genuine in his outright xenophobia, whereas other conservatives had a mask to dispel such claims.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 7:54:18pm

re: #223 Myron Falwell

And even then, Cheney would have been upset because Trump fucking telegraphed the entire playbook. That Trump was actually genuine in his outright xenophobia, whereas other conservatives had a mask to dispel such claims.

Cheney’s part of the Republican party that just wanted all your money. They didn’t want your soul. They couldn’t care less if you worshipped the dog shit in your yard.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 7:54:42pm

re: #213 DuckDharma

From the article. And it’s hyperbolic because the most immediate threat here is the danger posed to Muslim Americans.

And Muslim Americans won’t be the last, they’re just first in line.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist. (&c)

Well, they’ve been coming after trade unionists for a long time, though the IWW link above shows they are willing to shoot them now.

Muslims are in the crosshairs as well.

This socialist is probably not far behind.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:55:23pm

Kamala Harris on Trump’s order: “counter to our national security interests, and will likely be used as a terrorist recruitment tool.”

— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) January 28, 2017

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retired cynic Jan 27, 2017 • 7:55:52pm

re: #224 Belafon

Cheney’s part of the Republican party that just wanted all your money. They didn’t want your soul. They couldn’t care less if you worshipped the dog shit in your yard.

Trump doesn’t either, IMO.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 7:55:56pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon

re: #222 William Lewis

My grandfather — whose parents emigrated to the United States from Poland on the Kaiser Wilhelm a century ago — was a painter, and a proud union member.

May this be the jump start all trade unions needed.

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Skip Intro Jan 27, 2017 • 7:56:10pm

Note to self. Check out the Never Trump people in National Review’s Never Trump issue and see how many of them still are.

Eric Erickson wants his job subbing for Limbaugh back, so he’s had a religious Trumpian experience. I’m sure there are more.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 7:57:28pm

Ah @Trump_Regrets!

@realDonaldTrump 20% tax on Mexican imports? WE the consumers will pay for the wall. Now I voted for Trump but that is just plain stupid! pic.twitter.com/y1tMnmS1Lv

— Edgar Flotte (@EdgarFlotte) January 27, 2017

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 7:58:06pm

What bothers me the most about Dolt45? That he and his merry band of idiots really have no idea what the fuck they’re doing.

— Rylo Ken (@Kennymack1971) January 28, 2017

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 7:58:39pm

re: #227 retired cynic

Trump doesn’t either, IMO.

They were Neocons. He’s just a con.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:00:21pm

re: #231 jaunte

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Whoa. I hadn’t heard Dolt45 until now. That’s fucking kismet.

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:01:52pm

Last year when I was snowbirding in Arizona I began my portion of the Border Wall. Here’s my contribution. (Since I’m a “true American” no government funds were spent on this project.)

Cheechako’s Border Wall

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:03:01pm

.@RadioFreeTom Media will absolutely never escape this. They elected Carrie prom queen and then locked the gym doors

— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) January 28, 2017

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:04:15pm

re: #234 Cheechako

Last year when I was snowbirding in Arizona I began my portion of the Border Wall. Here’s my contribution. (Since I’m a “true American” no government funds were spent on this project.)

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But you’re supposed to make Mexico pay for it. Because, you know, we need to make other people suffer. That’s what we’re all about now.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:05:08pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

Fuck NRO. I regret ever having read that magazine. A few years worth of them are in a corner of the house, gathering dust and waiting to be recycled for some other purpose.

Erickson could have been another Ana Navarro and saved us from ourselves, but his Hillary hatred will ensure his permanent footnote status.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:06:25pm

re: #215 DuckDharma

Okay, so you were only implying Americans would be targeted by radicalized Mexicans?

I think reading it he meant that Mexican-Americans would be targeted in the USA (as they have already) and that Mexicans in Mexico might also be targeted by other radicals (as Mexico is a US ally).

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 8:06:33pm

re: #187 DuckDharma

Something to consider before going into full panic mode about every American being a target etc.

mobile.nytimes.com

That point of view is incredibly simplistic and naive. All actions have consequences and one of the consequences of today’s EO is that US policy now dovetails exactly with ISIS propaganda about the attitude of the United States government towards Arab Muslims. It’s not about every American being a target, it’s about the fact that Trump just made it much more difficult for the US military to operate in the Middle East. It’s about the inevitable loss of intelligence sharing by ME countries, about the loss of access our troops are going to have with tribal elders, about the increased difficulty and tensions they’re going to have when trying to liaise with local forces.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:07:22pm

Christ, USA Today…

Trump signs executive order to keep ‘Islamic terrorists’ out of U.S. https://t.co/mJqMX5jZ9r pic.twitter.com/u8yKRYMPNW

— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) January 27, 2017

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MsJ Jan 27, 2017 • 8:07:38pm

re: #219 Skip Intro

Exactly. DF must be happier than he’s ever been in his life now.

Nah, he’ll be happier when 30 million Americans don’t have access to healthcare any longer.

I’ll never forget reading a comment by him, the first I ever saw of him, way back in like 2009, specifically about healthcare and I thought it was the most heartless thing I’d ever read.

I rarely engaged with him when I started posting here because I never got over thinking he was one of the most horrible people I’d ever “met” (random internet posters like at Disqus aside).

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CleverToad Jan 27, 2017 • 8:07:51pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Back on Sunday, Lizards. Hopefully better able to cope.

A weekend away from TV screens might get my blood pressure down. Temporarily. As soon as I’ve called all my congress critters for the fifth time this week.

Back to the fray on Monday. Take care!

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:08:18pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

Not just our Asia Minor allies, but many (most? all?) of our allies.

Who the heck would want to share information with us after something like this?

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BeachDem Jan 27, 2017 • 8:09:00pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

The thing is, people are mistaking the NYT’s acts for something new or different. They aren’t, this is the same NYT who was carrying major water for the White House during the run-up and initial months of the Iraq War. They were every bit like Trump, only deciding the lack of WMDs was an issue a year after the war had been fought and the nation-building begun.

And then there’s Chuck Fucking Todd, (doing a podcast for Ari Fucking Fleisher) who thinks the big problem with campaign coverage was that the media didn’t spend enough time covering how hated the Clintons were in the “heartland.” Yeah, asshole, THAT was the problem.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:09:41pm

re: #240 JasonA

I get the impression USA Today and the New York Times may just be copying either a wire report or perhaps a press release from the Aryan House.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 8:10:44pm

re: #240 JasonA

And the dude in the photo looks more Sikh than Muslim to me.

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 8:11:21pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

All of those are fine points, and also completely outside of the argument made in the quote. It can definitely be used as a recruiting tool, but it’s no good envisioning Muslims suddenly flipping en masse

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Jan 27, 2017 • 8:11:25pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Definitely sikh.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:11:40pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

And the dude in the photo looks more Sikh than Muslim to me.

That was my impression as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 8:11:47pm

re: #245 Anymouse

Either that or they are using the kid gloves with Trump because they are terrified of losing their precious “access”.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:12:17pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

And the dude in the photo looks more Sikh than Muslim to me.

Then you’ve got Trump, who looks more and more sick.

**dodges thrown rotten tomatoes**

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SteveMcG RN Jan 27, 2017 • 8:12:34pm

As much as I’d like to hear Jon Stewart dissect the Trump/GOP machine, we have plenty of people on the scene to do that. In fact, I would argue that even the media has done its job. Trump won less than 46% of the popular vote. As much as it has been argued that the media gave Trump free airtime, the results show that all that free coverage turned most of America against him. I would argue further that it seems as if Trump supporters cannot be reached by conventional media and its reliance on reality and morality.
So we’re stuck with him. It’s so important to keep on marching against him because the people on the front lines who can stop the implementation of his policies are bureaucrats and administrators. They need to know that we care and that we are not indifferent, apathetic, or tolerant. I’m currently reading Cornelius Ryan’s The Last Battle, about the fall of Berlin in 1945, and one passage so far really stands out. The commander of the Berlin district was not under the command of the local army group commander, and he was basically on his own. He was ordered to blow the bridges and hold Berlin to the last man. Reichminister Albert Speer urged him not to destroy the city because it would cause immense hardship for the civilians who remained, and it would all have to be rebuilt. Weymann refused to listen to Speer because he didn’t want to risk his career. That’s right, a German officer was still worried about his career instead of his people even though that career was obviously about to end in within the month.
We need our government officials to know that we are worth risking their careers over.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 8:13:13pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

And the dude in the photo looks more Sikh than Muslim to me.

Which is why it’s usually Sikhs that are murdered when nutjobs want to kill a Muslim. Too many Americans are too uneducated to care about the difference.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 8:14:59pm

What worries me more about a potential Terror attack with Trump is not that he’ll use it to crack down on freedoms but that he’ll he immediately want to nuke whomever he deems responsible.

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 8:17:19pm

Today Trump abandoned brave Iraqi and Afghan interpreters who saved thousands of U.S. troops’ lives. Mattis stood by smiling as he did so. pic.twitter.com/HTTvaNNktO

— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) January 28, 2017

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The message to the people of the world: “Do not help the United States because they will turn around and betray you.”

Good job Trumpy https://t.co/CDX3lKdO2Q

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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DuckDharma Jan 27, 2017 • 8:17:33pm

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re pretty much just going down the checklist of What He Said He Would Do

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:17:43pm

re: #236 JasonA

But you’re supposed to make Mexico pay for it. Because, you know, we need to make other people suffer. That’s what we’re all about now.

IIRC there was beer involved. Plus the nearest Home Depot was over 100 miles away so there were no day laborers available.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 8:18:37pm

re: #257 Cheechako

IIRC there was beer involved. Plus the nearest Home Depot was over 100 miles away so there were no day laborers available.

Excuses excuses.

Sad!

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 8:18:56pm

BREAKING AND URGENT
Erovinkin murder linked to Steele Memo
https://t.co/7odgKIgWIA via @telegraphnews

— NotMyPresident (@MarcusC22973194) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:18:59pm

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

What worries me more about a potential Terror attack with Trump is not that he’ll use it to crack down on freedoms but that he’ll he immediately want to nuke whomever he deems responsible.

That’s why NATO and other international communities are likely drafting up defense mechanisms to retaliate against the United States.

Of course the most effective way to destroy us is to lob a few nukes at the Bumfuck County missile launchers… not at the cities.

Then Les Fucking Moonves and Peter Fucking Theil can laugh overseas as the remains of the United States are conquered by a foreign entity and stripped down for parts.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 8:19:02pm

Every time I watch Trump sign something I find myself waiting for the Avengers to show up and save the day.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 8:19:52pm

Can’t believe people are suggesting that this is photoshopped, looks totally normal to me pic.twitter.com/fFhyNv2Noo

— James Moran (@jamesmoran) January 27, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:20:35pm

re: #252 SteveMcG RN

And yet, Media Matters for America notes that in the last month of the campaign, the media gave overwhelming coverage to E-mails.

Study: Evening Cable News Devoted Nearly 250 Segments to Wikileaks E-mails 5 Weeks before the Election

Between October 4 and November 8, weekday evening cable news aired a combined 247 segments either about the emails or featuring significant discussion of them; evening broadcast news and the Sunday morning broadcast network political talk shows aired a combined 25 segments; and five of the country’s most-circulated daily newspapers — Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post — published a combined 96 articles about the emails released by Wikileaks in their print editions.

(the article is long, telling how they gathered the information and who the worst offenders were)

It is also possible that coverage took voters who would have voted for Clinton in places like Michigan (see my cousin) turning them to Stein or Johnson instead.

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 8:20:46pm

America’s acceptance of Somali refugees has not been a success for this country https://t.co/iJam0bUKGG

— David Frum (@davidfrum) January 28, 2017

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You picked the wrong fucking day to drop this turd. https://t.co/NIlQzmSeAG

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:22:47pm

re: #260 Myron Falwell

That’s why NATO and other international communities are likely drafting up defense mechanisms to retaliate against the United States.

Of course the most effective way to destroy us is to lob a few nukes at the Bumfuck County missile launchers… not at the cities.

Then Les Fucking Moonves and Peter Fucking Theil can laugh overseas as the remains of the United States are conquered by a foreign entity and stripped down for parts.

Well, living in Bumfuck County, at least I’ll go quick. You guys will have to live with the aftermath.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 8:23:07pm

We’re no strangers to #Resistance here in Middle Earth. Keep up the fight! pic.twitter.com/8f8mFLyeeT

— Mordor National Park (@MordorNPS) January 27, 2017

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 8:24:16pm

re: #247 DuckDharma

All of those are fine points, and also completely outside of the argument made in the quote. It can definitely be used as a recruiting tool, but it’s no good envisioning Muslims suddenly flipping en masse

Except nobody’s doing that. The guy who you quoted just served that up to himself as a softball on a T-ball stand so he could take a swing at it. Maybe he heard it somewhere but it’s hardly relevant to anything that’s been said here.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:25:23pm

re: #265 Anymouse

Well, living in Bumfuck County, at least I’ll go quick. You guys will have to live with the aftermath.

Fortunately I live about five miles from the southern shore of Lake Erie, although it would be fitting if Canada flat-out denies to take in refugees from a conquered United States simply because of party affiliation.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 8:26:07pm

re: #264 Kragar

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:28:56pm

re: #268 Myron Falwell

Fortunately I live about five miles from the southern shore of Lake Erie, although it would be fitting if Canada flat-out denies to take in refugees from a conquered United States simply because of party affiliation.

I hope you have a boat then you would have a means to cross the lake. I heard that if you have “dry feet” in Canada you can stay.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:30:36pm

re: #270 Cheechako

I hope you have a boat then you would have a means to cross the lake. I heard that if you have “dry feet” in Canada you can stay.

Well, if we survive until our Yukon trip, maybe I can stay in Whitehorse. That’s a much bigger city by population than my county anyway.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 8:30:39pm

pic.twitter.com/1ARDOXPlQ3

— Funny Or Die (@funnyordie) January 28, 2017

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BeachDem Jan 27, 2017 • 8:31:14pm

re: #175 jaunte

He needs KFC. Hundreds of pounds of KFC.

If you look at the uncropped version of that photo, you’ll find it right there in his fat ass.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:35:10pm

While America closes the door on refugees, @ddale8 is tweeting stories of Canadians welcoming them into their homes and lives.

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) January 28, 2017

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:35:14pm

re: #271 Anymouse

Well, if we survive until our Yukon trip, maybe I can stay in Whitehorse. That’s a much bigger city by population than my county anyway.

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lockjawcanbefun Jan 27, 2017 • 8:36:10pm

If only:

@TheJimCornette pic.twitter.com/hGkRIjlHdB

— Napoleon Solo (@DrekManson) January 27, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:36:28pm

re: #270 Cheechako

I hope you have a boat then you would have a means to cross the lake. I heard that if you have “dry feet” in Canada you can stay.

As long as Gordon Lightfoot doesn’t record a song about the boat I use, then I should be okay.

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 8:37:23pm

re: #262 teleskiguy

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Alex Jones has proof that Trump doesn’t have tiny hands!

See! Trump has YUUUUUGE hands!

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 8:37:38pm

re: #277 Myron Falwell

As long as Gordon Lightfoot doesn’t record a song about the boat I use, then I should be okay.

Thank you, I needed that laugh tonight.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 8:38:15pm

Remember: If Hillary Clifton had won two presidency UBER would be banned (no independent contractors), Vaping prohibited, Airbnb shuttered.

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) January 28, 2017

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First they came for the temp renting, car sharing, hipster vapists, and I said nothing, because seriously fuck ALL those obnoxious assholes. https://t.co/G7AdYRyNWy

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:38:16pm

re: #275 Cheechako

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:39:08pm

re: #277 Myron Falwell

As long as Gordon Lightfoot doesn’t record a song about the boat I use, then I should be okay.

LOL. Don’t float over Niagara Falls either.

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Belafon Jan 27, 2017 • 8:39:28pm

I’m surprised Trump didn’t include Kenya in the hopes of keeping the Obamas out.

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Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 8:40:23pm

Man…I’ve been needing some uppers as of late, and while dogs can do wonders, you need variety.

I forgot just how good Samurai Jack was as a series. Not to mention the DC Animated Universe cartoons.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 27, 2017 • 8:42:15pm

@GroverNorquist Wow Vaping and Airbnb both? Dude that would suck. I’m glad we just have to do without healthcare and the state department

— Jack Kimble (@RepJackKimble) January 28, 2017

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 8:42:28pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Burning Man fucked that dude’s head even more than it already was fucked.

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:42:37pm

re: #281 Anymouse

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allegro Jan 27, 2017 • 8:44:40pm

What’s a two presidency?

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:44:48pm

re: #287 Cheechako

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Ace-o-aces Jan 27, 2017 • 8:45:46pm

re: #288 allegro

Typo apparently. He meant “the”. Doesn’t make tweet any less stupid.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:46:36pm

re: #288 allegro

What’s a two presidency?

Evidently Norquist did the unpossible and failed English.

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 8:46:44pm

re: #289 Anymouse

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austin_blue Jan 27, 2017 • 8:47:08pm

re: #290 Ace-o-aces

Typo apparently. He meant “the”. Doesn’t make tweet any less stupid.

Grover is a one note moron. Always has been.

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BeachDem Jan 27, 2017 • 8:47:20pm

re: #217 jaunte

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That whole thread in great. I particularly like 12, 13 and 14.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 27, 2017 • 8:48:11pm

Wait until Trump throws you in jail for being a secret Muslim. @GroverNorquist

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:48:24pm

re: #292 Cheechako

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I just found it as you wrote that, I’m guessing:

tripadvisor.com

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 8:49:55pm

re: #286 teleskiguy

Burning Man fucked that dude’s head even more than it already was fucked.

He’s a human litmus test for suck. If he likes it you know it’s horrible.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 8:51:33pm

As Trump bans Syrian refugees, their reality is unsettling yet important to see. It’s not abstract. It’s real. Photo @AP. #TheResistance pic.twitter.com/S26WhMnpm4

— Dept of State (Alt) (@AltStateDpt) January 28, 2017

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You can see how a Trump voter might be afraid of this guy.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 8:54:42pm

As we lose those who fought fascism, it sure looks like others want us to take up the mantle.

starherald.com (Goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald):

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Ken Hartle, who as a Navy diver during World War II had the grim task of retrieving bodies from ships sunk by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, has died. He was 103.

Hartle died Tuesday afternoon at an Escondido, California, center for people with Alzheimer’s disease or dementia, the San Diego Union-Tribune (bit.ly) reported Friday. A reporter was at his bedside with Hartle’s son and daughter three hours before his death.

Hartle may have been the oldest surviving Pearl Harbor salvage diver, said David Ball of San Diego, an officer with the Navy Divers Association.

Hartle and his fellow Seabees worked in the days before scuba diving equipment was commonplace. His heavy canvas diving suit and brass helmet weighed more than 200 pounds.

Japan’s Dec. 7, 1941 surprise attack on Pearl Harbor sank or beached 18 ships. Among them was the battleship Arizona, which went down with 1,177 crew members.

He was a civilian ship fitter when the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred but was not allowed to enlist until 1943 because his job was deemed too critical for the war effort.

But he avoided mentioning one task: recovering the long-submerged bodies of sailors who went to the bottom at Pearl Harbor.

“He just didn’t like talking about it,” said his son, Ken W. Hartle, 64, of Montana. “He would only say that the hardest part of the job was ‘bringing up our boys.’ “

Ambert Kenneth Hartle was born in 1913 in Bakersfield, California. His mother, a brother and a sister died from illness or accidents before he was 10 and his father was sent to a tuberculosis sanitarium in 1916, according to Hartle’s children.

(more at the Star-Herald)

Fair winds and following seas, Mr. Hartle.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:55:02pm

LOL

Dick Cheney thinks Trump’s Muslim ban is “against everything we stand for” https://t.co/3XlmlXCBXw pic.twitter.com/OLmJ8exnUZ

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) December 8, 2015

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holy shit I just agreed with a man who shot his own friend with a gun https://t.co/BGhG4JZX1B

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) January 28, 2017

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austin_blue Jan 27, 2017 • 8:56:24pm

re: #298 jaunte

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You can see how a Trump voter might be afraid of this guy.

I’ve seen photos of Treblinka survivors who had more meat on their bones than that kid.

May all that is human save him. May all that is human save us for not saving him. We have become monsters, led by our shit-gibbon overlord.

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 8:57:09pm

@NERcommute He lost the House. Lost his chance.

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) January 28, 2017

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retired cynic Jan 27, 2017 • 8:58:02pm

re: #302 Kragar

What an absolute ass.

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 8:58:21pm

re: #302 Kragar

Pretty much.

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 8:59:23pm

Wait! Why is there still a Muslim refugee problem? Trump said “Radical Islam”! Wasn’t that supposed to defeat ISIS once and for all?

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 27, 2017 • 8:59:27pm

re: #298 jaunte

@AltStateDpt @AP Here is extreme vetting. How ya like it now?

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 9:02:42pm

re: #301 austin_blue

I’ve seen photos of Treblinka survivors who had more meat on their bones than that kid.

May all that is human save him. May all that is human save us for not saving him. We have become monsters, led by our shit-gibbon overlord.

That definitely applies to the Republican Party as a collective unit. We are being oppressed by that clear minority with a continual sequence of intolerable act after intolerable act…

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 9:04:36pm

re: #301 austin_blue

I’ve seen photos of Treblinka survivors who had more meat on their bones than that kid.

May all that is human save him. May all that is human save us for not saving him. We have become monsters, led by our shit-gibbon overlord.

I did not become a monster, despite what a few thousand people in three states did on Election Day. I’m pretty sure none of did here, at Democratic Underground, at Wonkette, at Daily Kos, or many other places.

The trick is to not do what German citizens did in Weimar Germany and go with the flow, hoping Mr. Hitler would moderate his tone. (The New York Times had an article shortly after Hitler was elected that I can’t find now, that said Hitler just said the things he needed to so he could win, and would moderate his rhetoric. Turns out, the New York Times was a fascist apologist newspaper then, too.)

I will not go silently into the night.

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austin_blue Jan 27, 2017 • 9:06:50pm

Night all. After seeing that modern Holocaust photo, on this of all days, I’m done.

How did we get to this? How did we *become* this? We cannot let this continue.

Resist.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 9:08:46pm

re: #309 austin_blue

Night all. After seeing that modern Holocaust photo, on this of all days, I’m done.

How did we get to this? How did we *become* this? We cannot let this continue.

Resist.

Assuming we still have elections in the future, run for office. Every office. No matter how deeply red the state or town.

Don’t look like my state where I only had Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine to vote for, because every other office was a Republican (or multiple Republicans) contesting without opposition.

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BeachDem Jan 27, 2017 • 9:08:54pm

re: #301 austin_blue

I’ve seen photos of Treblinka survivors who had more meat on their bones than that kid.

May all that is human save him. May all that is human save us for not saving him. We have become monsters, led by our shit-gibbon overlord.

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 27, 2017 • 9:09:21pm

re: #308 Anymouse

The trick is to not do what German citizens did in Weimar Germany and go with the flow, hoping Mr. Hitler would moderate his tone. (The New York Times had an article shortly after Hitler was elected that I can’t find now, that said Hitler just said the things he needed to so he could win, and would moderate his rhetoric. Turns out, the New York Times was a fascist apologist newspaper then, too.)

I will not go silently into the night.

There was a 1922 article in the NYT that made this point — but that was a decade before he took office. Maybe that is the one you are thinking about?

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 9:10:54pm

re: #309 austin_blue

Night all. After seeing that modern Holocaust photo, on this of all days, I’m done.

How did we get to this? How did we *become* this? We cannot let this continue.

Resist.

“Since Bernie didn’t win the nomination, I’m just going to vote for Jill Stein or stay home. I would rather vote my conscience than vote for a corporatist!”

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 27, 2017 • 9:12:23pm

re: #295 Ace-o-aces

Grover Norquist was on Bill Maher’s panel tonight — and he is such an idiot and ideologue. He still believes supply side economics was successful under Reagan. Shouldn’t that be classified as “Alternative facts”?

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goddamnedfrank Jan 27, 2017 • 9:15:24pm

#currentstatus pic.twitter.com/FW1FSdlUfZ

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) January 28, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jan 27, 2017 • 9:17:57pm

re: #308 Anymouse

The trick is to not do what German citizens did in Weimar Germany and go with the flow, hoping Mr. Hitler would moderate his tone. (The New York Times had an article shortly after Hitler was elected that I can’t find now, that said Hitler just said the things he needed to so he could win, and would moderate his rhetoric. Turns out, the New York Times was a fascist apologist newspaper then, too.)

Back in 2013, the Hollywood Reporter ran this story about how Hollywood studios were more connected to Hitler and Nazi Germany than we even realized.

The story was chilling to read when it came out. Now it’s pants-shittingly scary.

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 27, 2017 • 9:18:07pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

“Since Bernie didn’t win the nomination, I’m just going to vote for Jill Stein or stay home. I would rather vote my conscience than vote for a corporatist!”

“Or I’m voting for Trump because he is a successful businessman who will bring my job back!!”

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 9:19:24pm

I’m gonna tell you workers, before you cash in your checks. They say “America First,” but they mean America next. — Woody Guthrie pic.twitter.com/8nrHXvebiq

— Joshua Zeitz (@JoshuaMZeitz) January 28, 2017

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“This machine kills fascists”

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 9:19:29pm

re: #308 Anymouse

I did not become a monster, despite what a few thousand people in three states did on Election Day. I’m pretty sure none of did here, at Democratic Underground, at Wonkette, at Daily Kos, or many other places.

I know you’re not, but I instinctively interpreted that as letting all of those other red states off the hook. They get at least as much blame as MI/PA/WI. No credit for consistency here.

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Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 9:19:38pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

“Since Bernie didn’t win the nomination, I’m just going to vote for Jill Stein or stay home. I would rather vote my conscience than vote for a corporatist!”

“And Clinton would have been worse than Trump! She would have led us into war!”

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 9:20:34pm

re: #320 Moebym

”And Clinton would have been worse than Trump! She would have led us into war!”

“I can’t trust her because she lies too much! She lied about her emails!”

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allegro Jan 27, 2017 • 9:20:37pm

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

“Or I’m voting for Trump because he is a successful businessman who will bring my job back!!”

or “Why bother to vote? Both parties are just the same.”

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retired cynic Jan 27, 2017 • 9:21:47pm

Some of the ones around here said they liked him because he was going to shake things up. They, at least, were right. I hope it comforts them.

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Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 9:22:45pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

re: #320 Moebym

I want to stuff anyone who “But Hillary…”s away anything regarding this shit show into the chair from Clockwork Orange, and have them watch the Greatest Hits from this entire week, and get it through their thick fucking skulls that everything you feared about Hillary is happening tenfold literally right fucking now under Trump. If they can’t get it through their fucking heads at that point, they’re hopeless.

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 9:24:25pm

re: #324 Citizen K

I want to stuff anyone who “But Hillary…”s away anything regarding this shit show into the chair from Clockwork Orange, and have them watch the Greatest Hits from this entire week, and get it through their thick fucking skulls that everything you feared about Hillary is happening tenfold literally right fucking now under Trump. If they can’t get it through their fucking heads at that point, they’re hopeless.

It won’t get through the heads of Bros because they’re still nursing grudges over the DNC failing to willing become the Green Party.

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Moebym Jan 27, 2017 • 9:24:38pm

re: #324 Citizen K

That level of thickness is something even that contraption can’t penetrate.

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 9:24:39pm

If only God had left Christians some kind of sacred instructions about how to treat strangers and refugees… .

— Ron Charles (@RonCharles) January 28, 2017

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 9:40:24pm

@Popehat “The 9th Circuit is a terrible circuit. The worst. Everyone knows this. Been going downhill for years. Sad!”

— Thomas Horine (@thomashorine) January 28, 2017

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 9:43:31pm

re: #302 Kragar

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JasonA Jan 27, 2017 • 9:53:07pm

Reminder: Donald Trump saw this and thought, “This is good. I’m going to retweet this because it’s so good.” pic.twitter.com/QgwlxUxGJu

— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) January 27, 2017

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electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 9:54:21pm

@WajahatAli Yes because he isn’t going to let the terrorists or Rapefugees in.

— Afeeq Hasan (@AfeeqH) January 28, 2017

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A Muslim who has the nerve to recite the Shahadah in his Twitter bio regurgitating Trump-like rhetoric?

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

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retired cynic Jan 27, 2017 • 9:57:50pm

re: #331 electrotek

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A Muslim who has the nerve to recite the Shahadah in his Twitter bio regurgitating Trump-like rhetoric?

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

Like DT isn’t a Christian, that guy isn’t a Muslim.

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Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 9:59:34pm

re: #331 electrotek

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A Muslim who has the nerve to recite the Shahadah in his Twitter bio regurgitating Trump-like rhetoric?

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

Much as I hate to be so suspicious like this, but I wonder if he’s a fake account like the channers tried to make stupidly obvious fake accounts posing as overly stereotypical black people.

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electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 9:59:59pm

re: #332 retired cynic

Like DT isn’t a Christian, that guy isn’t a Muslim.

I can’t be declaring takfir otherwise I wouldn’t be any different from the Da’eshbags.

I’ll let God judge who is a Muslim and who isn’t. I can’t say he’s a sellout hack of a Muslim, but can’t say he’s not a Muslim because of that slippery slope presented.

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Citizen K Jan 27, 2017 • 10:03:15pm

were ready to come over here after the most intense vetting process in US history. And now they can’t. They’re doubly stuck. /2

— Jessica Goudeau (@jessica_goudeau) January 28, 2017

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I feel physically sick. REFUGEES ARE THE VICTIMS! They are the victims. #WeWelcomeRefugees We are sorry, refugees. But it’s not enough. /4

— Jessica Goudeau (@jessica_goudeau) January 28, 2017

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I have nothing to do with this org other than the fact that I love their front line work—please help them: https://t.co/KjjLxIhvrP /6

— Jessica Goudeau (@jessica_goudeau) January 28, 2017

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retired cynic Jan 27, 2017 • 10:05:34pm

re: #334 electrotek

I can’t be declaring takfir otherwise I wouldn’t be any different from the Da’eshbags.

I’ll let God judge who is a Muslim and who isn’t. I can’t say he’s a sellout hack of a Muslim, but can’t say he’s not a Muslim because of that slippery slope presented.

As you wish, but I am going to continue to say that DT and all who support this tragedy are not Christian.

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jaunte Jan 27, 2017 • 10:06:37pm

re: #334 electrotek

You could say he’s a dumbass who doesn”t understand the threat that Trumpism represents.

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electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 10:11:54pm

re: #337 jaunte

You could say he’s a dumbass who doesn”t understand the threat that Trumpism represents.

That’s what I very much prefer.

Although I do find the use of ‘Uncle Tom’ too hard to resist at times.

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 10:19:01pm

It’s the return of the darkness and evil, it’s the return of the fire and flame, it’s the return of my master Satan. pic.twitter.com/Vc5nlqu5iv

— Black Metal Cats (@evilbmcats) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:19:46pm

re: #319 JasonA

I know you’re not, but I instinctively interpreted that as letting all of those other red states off the hook. They get at least as much blame as MI/PA/WI. No credit for consistency here.

Sorry, I was out for the last two hours doing village official business on my private E-mail server. Funny how no one here in town wants me arrested.

I’m in a red state. I’m not guilty of what the majority did here. I even have something to work with in the village, since eight people voted for Mrs. Clinton, three for Mr. Johnson, and two for Dr. Stein. That’s thirteen who didn’t vote for Mr. Trump, though he got an overwhelming share of the village.

But we’re not dead in the water; we have a place to start.

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TedStriker Jan 27, 2017 • 10:22:40pm

As a nod to Woody Guthrie’s “this machine kills fascists” posted upthread, I suggest to Charles a new tagline for LGF:

This blog kills fascists

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 10:24:29pm

These three guys killed 50 innocent people, including children and the elderly.

The Muslim Ban and “extreme vetting” wouldn’t have kept us safe from them. pic.twitter.com/CY8ZFDIfcE

— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) January 28, 2017

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 10:25:53pm

re: #338 electrotek

That’s what I very much prefer.

Although I do find the use of ‘Uncle Tom’ too hard to resist at times.

Quisling. Avoids the racist intent of that other phrase.

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 10:28:17pm

re: #342 teleskiguy

These three guys killed 50 innocent people, including children and the elderly.

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The Muslim ban wouldn’t have stopped the Pulse shooter. He arrived as a child iirc, & was radicalized.

Radicalized, the important thing to consider. Trump just amped it up.

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 10:29:52pm

re: #340 Anymouse

Sorry, I was out for the last two hours doing village official business on my private E-mail server. Funny how no one here in town wants me arrested.

Heh.

I spent the last hour sewing an under the shirt elastic band shoulder holster to hold my S&W 4” Model 13. Having a permit is only part of the equation…

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:30:38pm

re: #331 electrotek

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A Muslim who has the nerve to recite the Shahadah in his Twitter bio regurgitating Trump-like rhetoric?

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

I don’t know that I would necessarily read too much into it.

If you go back over the whole timeline, it has favourable tweets about President Obama, Johh Kerry, Hillary Clinton. It has lots of sports.

Then suddenly, it has a bunch of Trump stuff. Not from when Trump started his campaign. The first mention I see of Trump is January 10 referencing Trump fighting allegations of golden showers (Mr. Hasan was praising Obama in that tweet.)

Then, the account starts tweeting wingnut memes.

Could be a few things:
a) Mr. Hasan went over the dark side on January 11.
b) Mr. Hasan’s account was hijacked.
c) Mr. Hasan’s account was so deep cover it was undetectable until Jan 11. (That doesn’t seem likely.)

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 10:31:34pm

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:32:45pm

re: #343 William Lewis

Quisling. Avoids the racist intent of that other phrase.

#NotAllNorwegians /s

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teleskiguy Jan 27, 2017 • 10:34:32pm

re: #344 Stanley Sea

I can recall a lot of very good police work at most levels of government since 9/11 - thwarting bomb threats, finding weapons, lots of very good intelligence. Way too numerous to list here, but our Patriot men and women have been doing their jobs *pretty good* IMHO.

Now we got President OrangeFuck. Step up the the Craps Table!

So it goes …

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 10:38:44pm

It is approaching midday in many of those countries Trump just banned refugees from. Be interesting to see what developments happen between now and when I wake up tomorrow.

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 10:39:34pm

I do not know what the fuck is up with Tulsi Gabbard. What the fuck.

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 10:41:02pm

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #349 teleskiguy

I think those folks are going to be working just as hard, love of country, etc.

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Dizzy Jan 27, 2017 • 10:41:35pm

I would challenge any CEO to do what this Canadian CEO did:
torontolife.com

Jim Estill put up $1.5 million to bring 58 families to Canada. He found them homes, gave them jobs and even bought one man a dollar store. How the mild-mannered CEO of an appliance company became the Oskar Schindler of Guelph

Not sure it’s possible anymore in the U.S.
But these days, I sure am proud of my big little country in the north.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:43:22pm

re: #351 prairiefire

I do not know what the fuck is up with Tulsi Gabbard. What the fuck.

My understanding is her family is all Republicans, and about the only way to win an election in Hawai’i is to run as a Democrat.

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 10:44:43pm

re: #354 Anymouse

I knew she was military, but this smacks of special pocket funding.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 27, 2017 • 10:45:57pm

It really sucks that, in terms of foreign opinion of the U.S., we’ve now all been painted with the broad brush of being bigoted, hateful and discriminatory thanks to what Trump is doing.

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 10:47:08pm

re: #356 Eclectic Cyborg

Apparently we are the land of the free if you are already here.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:49:07pm

re: #336 retired cynic

As you wish, but I am going to continue to say that DT and all who support this tragedy are not Christian.

I guess we’re going to find out in the next couple of days which churches forcefully and publicly denounce this, which ones are indifferent, and which ones are supportive.

But how does one say “those are Christians, but those others are not?” They all believe in the same book. Each can point at the other and say “no true Christian.”

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 10:49:35pm

Call Trump’s properties. Tell them how you feel…

Share the love!

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Joe Bacon Jan 27, 2017 • 10:52:00pm

re: #358 Anymouse

I guess we’re going to find out in the next couple of days which churches forcefully and publicly denounce this, which ones are indifferent, and which ones are supportive.

But how does one say “those are Christians, but those others are not?” They all believe in the same book. Each can point at the other and say “no true Christian.”

We’re going to find out on Sunday. Something tells me I won’t be surprised with the silence or another outburst of Trump Love…

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William Lewis Jan 27, 2017 • 10:54:54pm

re: #360 Joe Bacon

Well, you won’t hear silence at my church, nor any in our diocese. But the big mega churches that love fear to rake in the collection? They’ll be able to push the fascist line hot and heavy.

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 10:55:18pm

Short clip, but nailed it

Must WATCH @sarahkendzior ..PLEASE RETWEET!!! pic.twitter.com/b86TAeJQol

— Luc Chaoui (@lucchaoui) January 27, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 10:57:11pm

I have a horrible migraine weighing in … the second in two days. Migraine meds taken. Hopefully will help. (Migraines are related to epilepsy, so I hope that seizures don’t come from this.)

I’m guessing stress from our Dumpster fire of an election is weighing on me the last couple days.

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Stanley Sea Jan 27, 2017 • 11:02:02pm

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 11:07:41pm

Here is a fun little game for #resistTrump to play called #ADayofTrump

I’ll start.

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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#ADayofTrump is like telling a kid he has cancer, then giving him a puppy, then telling him the puppy also has cancer

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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electrotek Jan 27, 2017 • 11:12:10pm

re: #346 Anymouse

I don’t know that I would necessarily read too much into it.

If you go back over the whole timeline, it has favourable tweets about President Obama, Johh Kerry, Hillary Clinton. It has lots of sports.

Then suddenly, it has a bunch of Trump stuff. Not from when Trump started his campaign. The first mention I see of Trump is January 10 referencing Trump fighting allegations of golden showers (Mr. Hasan was praising Obama in that tweet.)

Then, the account starts tweeting wingnut memes.

Could be a few things:
a) Mr. Hasan went over the dark side on January 11.
b) Mr. Hasan’s account was hijacked.
c) Mr. Hasan’s account was so deep cover it was undetectable until Jan 11. (That doesn’t seem likely.)

You forgot d) Mr Hasan is a Pakistani that holds hatred towards Afghan refugees in own country and brings that sentiment back here in order to be accepted.

Honestly, read the comments Pakistanis leave on social media about Afghan refugees. It’s no different from what Trump supporters spew about Mexicans and Muslims.

It’s disgusting.

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Kragar Jan 27, 2017 • 11:13:34pm

#ADayofTrump makes The Doctor give up on humanity

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:16:28pm

.@SeanHannity on liberal media: “They don’t seem to want to adjust or adapt. They just seem to have doubled down on stupid.” #Hannity pic.twitter.com/IEvuUZd1eW

— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 28, 2017

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Shorter Hannity: Why won’t they just knuckle under and collaborate?

Once you sell your soul it’s not so bad, really… https://t.co/i2NHpoct9O

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:19:19pm

re: #366 electrotek

You forgot d) Mr Hasan is a Pakistani that holds hatred towards Afghan refugees in own country and brings that sentiment back here in order to be accepted.

Honestly, read the comments Pakistanis leave on social media about Afghan refugees. It’s no different from what Trump supporters spew about Mexicans and Muslims.

It’s disgusting.

I noticed that he claims to be from Pakistan. That said, if he harboured hatred for Afghanis, why no mentions of them amongst all the sports and comic memes, right up to Jan 11?

I’m not going to try to analyse it too much … I’m also going to haul my carcass off to a dark room and lie down.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:20:47pm

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free…” #Trump never read the plaque on the Statue of Liberty.

— EJ Dionne (@EJDionne) January 28, 2017

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Well, in his defense, the Statue of Liberty doesn’t Tweet. https://t.co/iHq3rPypIY

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:28:12pm

Rebecca Schoenkopf goes on a Twitter storm against Joe Walsh (what a thread):

You know what? For a non-politician, first time office holder, thrust into the White House, I think Trump is having a damn good first week.

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) January 27, 2017

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I wonder what Joe Walsh’s one and only term in office was like, before he got his ass kicked by a no-legged girl? https://t.co/4bLuP5p1IT

— Rebecca Schoenkopf (@commiegirl1) January 27, 2017

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 11:32:13pm

re: #318 jaunte

Folks do have better teeth, in general. Heaven knows no skinny ribs.

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:32:20pm

The humanitarian crisis in northeastern Nigeria is so bad that almost all children under 5 have died https://t.co/gtye5Vomld

— New York Times World (@nytimesworld) January 24, 2017

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Someone else just tweeted that they cannot even begin to process this headline and neither can I. https://t.co/kx1bJziVn9

— Lisa Lucas (@likaluca) January 25, 2017

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prairiefire Jan 27, 2017 • 11:39:47pm

re: #373 Anymouse

It’s an awful situation around the globe, and the populace has voted against empathy, inclusion and compassion.

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 27, 2017 • 11:43:01pm

re: #374 prairiefire

It’s an awful situation around the globe, and the populace has voted against empathy, inclusion and compassion.

Ya know, you could understand it if we weren’t the riches nation on earth, with the strongest, most resilient economy. Like if we were only a little bit better off, rather than throwing away food that isn’t pretty enough to sell.

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Cheechako Jan 27, 2017 • 11:50:13pm

re: #296 Anymouse

Yes that’s the place.

(Took a time out for dinner)

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Anymouse Jan 27, 2017 • 11:51:18pm

re: #374 prairiefire

It’s an awful situation around the globe, and the populace has voted against empathy, inclusion and compassion.

Part of the problem is media itself.

The Vietnam War was pretty much the first war brought into homes every night, up close and personal, right at the dinner hour.

But except for TV, radio, magazines, and newspapers, there was not the constant barrage of news every minute of every day.

That doesn’t mean horrific things didn’t happen around the world all the time. Famine, drought, pestilence, warfare, disease were all out there, all the time. You only heard about it in your morning paper or evening television news, then back to “I Love Lucy” or whatever diversion du jour was happening.

Now we have the Internet. As long as you have a computer or a cell phone (in those areas where those work), and with the rise of cable news and the 24/7 news cycle, it is a constant barrage of sickness, horror, and death.

But sickness, horror, and death have always been there; they were just much easier to avoid.

Modern media is a two-edged sword: It allows the opportunity to combine to combat injustice (Women’s March, Tunisia’s democratic reforms), or the opportunity to spread propaganda (along with sickness, horror, and death) like never before (FOX News v Edward Tiller, so-called Islamic State on Twitter, endless fake news sites spreading conspiracy theory).

Moonbats and wingnuts were once relegated to late night radio on such shows as Coast-to-Coast AM. Now they’re everywhere.

The traditional media gatekeepers (respectable newspapers and magazines, television and radio outlets, &c) can give us either one of those options. They can push back against propaganda, if they decide the truth is more profitable (and if the public will listen).

There will always be horrible people because people have the ability to rationalise horror. But we can choose how we consume that information, and what we do with it.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 27, 2017 • 11:54:12pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

It’s one thing hearing it. It’s another actually seeing it. Despite what people say, Hitler didn’t lie his way to power in Germany either. He told them what he was gonna do.

Yep; the cynical, dark-humored observation of my dad springs to mind: “Hitler was the only politician I can remember who kept all of his campaign promises.”

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Targetpractice Jan 27, 2017 • 11:54:36pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, you could understand it if we weren’t the riches nation on earth, with the strongest, most resilient economy. Like if we were only a little bit better off, rather than throwing away food that isn’t pretty enough to sell.

We’re a nation that makes sure to tell generations of kids about that time when we not only knocked out two major world powers, but then for encore we beat back the forces of communism in Europe and Asia by literally dumping money and goods on the locals. We never let a chance to stroke out egos go to waste about how awesome a nation we used to be.

But now, now suddenly we’re too damned poor to do anything but sit around and reminisce about past glories. Guess what, folks, this is what it looks like when an empire collapses. Sitting in the dust and drinking ourselves into a stupor about how we used to be hot shit while the rich sell what isn’t nailed down and haul out the crowbars when we’re not looking, that’s Russia today and us tomorrow.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:05:51am

re: #379 Targetpractice

…
But now, now suddenly we’re too damned poor to do anything but sit around and reminisce about past glories. Guess what, folks, this is what it looks like when an empire collapses. Sitting in the dust and drinking ourselves into a stupor about how we used to be hot shit while the rich sell what isn’t nailed down and haul out the crowbars when we’re not looking, that’s Russia today and us tomorrow.

If we allow it. We can also take back the night.

In the darkest days of the Civil War, President Lincoln delivered his two-minute speech at one of the most horrible battles ever seen in the country, right after an oration by Edward Everett that went on for two whole hours.

No one remembers Everett’s speech today. They remember the two minute one, the one that began “Four score and seven years ago …” and ended with “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

President Lincoln’s words echo down through the decades, and they are just as true today as they were then. Lincoln encapsulated the entirety of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence in just a few words; the honour and sacrifice standing up for the principles of the United States of America.

It is Lincoln’s words that I would follow today, against the modern-day would-be destroyers of our nation.

I affirmed I would uphold and defend the Constitution, not an elected official, not a general, not a minister, not a would-be despot. Lincoln’s speech demands it; my honour demands it.

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 12:11:14am

re: #380 Anymouse

If we allow it. We can also take back the night.

In the darkest days of the Civil War, President Lincoln delivered his two-minute speech at one of the most horrible battles ever seen in the country, right after an oration by Edward Everett that went on for two whole hours.

No one remembers Everett’s speech today. They remember the two minute one, the one that began “Four score and seven years ago …” and ended with “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

President Lincoln’s words echo down through the decades, and they are just as true today as they were then. Lincoln encapsulated the entirety of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence in just a few words; the honour and sacrifice standing up for the principles of the United States of America.

It is Lincoln’s words that I would follow today, against the modern-day would-be destroyers of our nation.

I affirmed I would uphold and defend the Constitution, not an elected official, not a general, not a minister, not a would-be despot. Lincoln’s speech demands it; my honour demands it.

I’d like to believe, I want to believe that this nation can drag itself up from the darkness and become a better nation based upon its founding ideals. But I worry that we’re headed for greater strife and another civil war. That the ideological differences are creating a gulf so large that we’re headed either for armed conflict or the balkanization of America into several states that spend all their time fighting over who has the real claim to being the nation the Founders intended to create.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:19:54am

re: #381 Targetpractice

I’d like to believe, I want to believe that this nation can drag itself up from the darkness and become a better nation based upon its founding ideals. But I worry that we’re headed for greater strife and another civil war. That the ideological differences are creating a gulf so large that we’re headed either for armed conflict or the balkanization of America into several states that spend all their time fighting over who has the real claim to being the nation the Founders intended to create.

Be prepared for the worst. Work for the best.

If it were to come to such a bad end as a civil war, which can still be averted (note the Civil Rights Movement and other such issues that also nearly came to civil war), I’ll have to fall back on my military background. ‘Tis better to fight and die with honour than bend a knee in cowardice.

John McCain knew that once. Perhaps he will learn it again. Others in the government are making that choice (Lindsay Graham, Tammy Duckworth, Elizabeth Warren, &c.) Those in the community are also making that choice (Women’s March, leakers in the White House, the alt-government Twitter accounts).

While the politicians in the national government are out there in front of the cameras leading the resistance to reactionary politics, everyday people are risking much or all from women and men marching to scientists moving data to safety to perhaps a lonely park ranger on Twitter who refuses to be silenced.

One man with a machine gun can control a hundred without, goes the military saw. That ends when the hundred realise they can overpower the one.

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Cheechako Jan 28, 2017 • 12:23:51am

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electrotek Jan 28, 2017 • 12:26:15am

Iraqi #Kurdish filmmaker Hussein Hassan cancels planned U.S. visit over Trump actionshttps://t.co/c1AzMpmXSq pic.twitter.com/J9GUoGZP6h

— Kurd Net (@ekurd_net) January 28, 2017

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:26:52am

In addition to everything else, you don’t get to read much about Bannon’s extremist, agenda to destabilize Western Europe and install far-right governments in power across the EU.

While the Trump Nazis’ actions have been reasonably transparent, the steps being taken by the governments or the governmental agencies here to counter them are mostly shrouded in obscurity.

As I write this i am trying to get the permission from a well-placed source in the European aerospace industry to share some of the recent developments I was told in confidence; whether or not I’ll get it, i don’t know, and if i do, I’ll post it here, but suffice it to say that the awareness that the US is no longer to be treated as an ally is seeping through and is being acted upon.

An article from Haaretz indicated a clear concern about intelligence-sharing and the worry that classified information shared with Americans may be leaked to Russia. The arrest by the Russians of yet another security service officer accused of being a U.S. spy is not going to help European intelligence agencies sleep easier, and if intelligence-sharing between the US and Europe is affected or compromised — which IMHO will soon be the case — consequences are potentially catastrophic.

Just yesterday, Trump potentially invalidated a transcontinental data flow agreement between the US and EU which took years to negotiate. Enforcing privacy policies that specifically “exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents” opens the US to sanctions by the EU or more likely the suspension of the agreement outright (which is what the Trump Nazis want) :

@EU_Commission : If adequacy is no longer guaranteed, we will have to suspend the #PrivacyShield #cpdp2017 Tweet from Laura Kayali (@LauKaya) January 25, 2017

This is just another deliberate step in an all out assault on liberal-democratic regimes across Western Europe, orchestrated by Trump Nazis in concern with revanchist Russia and our own local fascist movements. After Marine Le Pen’s recent visit to NYC, Austrian Extremists led by a Nazi partied at Trump Tower.

I encourage those who want to follow this topic to subscribe to the tweeter account of Jasmin Mujanović (@JasminMuj) a PhD in Political Science from York University active in Southeast European and International Affairs Research.

Trump’s efforts to destroy NATO have been discussed earlier and elsewhere, so I won’t bother rementioning it here.

That Trump was going to lay waste to the US was understood; but this new undeclared “war on western democracies”, I think, is going much faster and is turning out much deadlier than anyone thought. Foreign Policy Magazine quotes General Stanley McChrystal, U.S. Army (Ret.) as saying (last December), “A European war is not unthinkable. People who want to believe that a war in Europe is not possible might be in for a surprise.” (full interview here). This wasn’t news for Ukrainians, but it is still news in Paris and Berlin — but not for long.

The optimist in me believes we’re not going towards an actual war, but even if the Trump Nazis’ efforts fail, the political map of the world is going to be changed irreversibly

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electrotek Jan 28, 2017 • 12:26:58am

Iraqi Kurd opens Trump-themed restaurant @CNNTravel https://t.co/kPisX3MN3P

— Stephanie Howell (@4EagleHowell) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:27:33am

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 12:33:15am

re: #385 Lupin

Foreign Policy Magazine quotes General Stanley McChrystal, U.S. Army (Ret.) as saying (last December), “A European war is not unthinkable. People who want to believe that a war in Europe is not possible might be in for a surprise.” (full interview here).

Where’s the link for that? I’d like to read it.

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William Lewis Jan 28, 2017 • 12:35:06am

re: #385 Lupin

My #74 in this thread agrees with you.

The only “ally” the regime has is Russia and i hope PM May understands that after today.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:35:28am

re: #385 Lupin

I have friends in Germany, Poland, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom that have shared similar concerns during the election cycle (though they are not people who are positioned to know government policies or security arrangements).

That said, I fired an E-mail at my friends in Switzerland and Germany noting that despite the insanity pouring out of the White House, there is resistance to this here. Moreover, it would appear that those inside the government here aren’t taking this lying down. The place already is leaking like a sieve, and there are those even in the GOP who are opposed to this nonsense.

Sooner or later the extremely wealthy are going to come out, and many aren’t going to be happy with the GOP continuing this nonsense (your money is worthless if the country is a smoking hole in the ocean).

What we don’t know is what sort of political arm-twisting is going on behind the scenes, in backrooms and boardrooms. Conservatives like Steve Forbes or liberals like Warren Buffett aren’t going to sit around and let a bunch of nihilists screw up their lives.

And it really isn’t wise to piss off your intelligence services or security force (in this case the Secret Service).

I don’t wish harm on anyone, but an awful lot of awful dictators have been taken out by individuals in the palace guard.

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Single-handed sailor Jan 28, 2017 • 12:36:31am

Fuck it all, I’m going back to the 60s and 70s.

Lamb - 1970 A Sign Of Change

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:39:22am

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

Where’s the link for that? I’d like to read it.

Here:
foreignpolicy.com

McChrystal is a neo-con. He also argues in the same article we’re going to have to give up rights for our security. That would be the polar opposite of Benjamin Franklin’s statement to the governor of Pennsylvania.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:41:14am

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

Where’s the link for that? I’d like to read it.

full interview

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:42:29am

re: #393 Lupin

FP

full interview

You beat me to it by about five seconds.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 12:44:25am

re: #392 Anymouse

re: #393 Lupin

Thanks.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:45:10am

Repeating something I said earlier, but I would never recommend to the Twitterati here:

Don’t, whatever you do, when you tweet at Mr. Trump’s official or personal Twitter accounts, refer to President Bannon every time you send him a tweet. That might upset him if too many people did that.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:45:37am

re: #389 William Lewis

My #74 in this thread agrees with you.

The only “ally” the regime has is Russia and i hope PM May understands that after today.

If I had to single out one new terrifying fact, it ids this: “The US is no longer our friend” is permeating through ll kinds of very important channels.

It is not as “colorful” as some of the other abominations covered here, but is is nonetheless the greatest gamechanger I’ve ever seen in my 62 years.

Think about it: “The US is no longer our friend.” Ponder the consequences.

Terrifying.

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 12:45:57am

re: #390 Anymouse

I have friends in Germany, Poland, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom that have shared similar concerns during the election cycle (though they are not people who are positioned to know government policies or security arrangements).

That said, I fired an E-mail at my friends in Switzerland and Germany noting that despite the insanity pouring out of the White House, there is resistance to this here. Moreover, it would appear that those inside the government here aren’t taking this lying down. The place already is leaking like a sieve, and there are those even in the GOP who are opposed to this nonsense.

Sooner or later the extremely wealthy are going to come out, and many aren’t going to be happy with the GOP continuing this nonsense (your money is worthless if the country is a smoking hole in the ocean).

What we don’t know is what sort of political arm-twisting is going on behind the scenes, in backrooms and boardrooms. Conservatives like Steve Forbes or liberals like Warren Buffett aren’t going to sit around and let a bunch of nihilists screw up their lives.

And it really isn’t wise to piss off your intelligence services or security force (in this case the Secret Service).

I don’t wish harm on anyone, but an awful lot of awful dictators have been taken out by individuals in the palace guard.

The flip side to that? A lot of awful dictators were removed from power through coups orchestrated by their underlings, only for the people to find out that the underlings were every bit as horrible but smart enough to fix things so that there would be no similar uprising to remove them from power. Whether he’s removed through impeachment, invocation of the XXV amendment, dies in office, or simply decides he liked it better being a TV star, the end result is we’re stuck with Mike Pence. And Pence is a much cagier politician, he’s unlikely to make much of the same mistakes that Trump is and he’s almost LBJ-like in his ability to work the levers of power. He could actually capitalize on the negative views towards Trump to work over Democrats to his way of thinking.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:46:55am

re: #396 Anymouse

Mr. Trump is notoriously thin-skinned. He might even go as far as fire Mr. Bannon and all those who are associated with him. We wouldn’t want Mr. Bannon to lose his job or anything.

If hundreds of tweets appeared every day on Mr. Trump’s accounts, there’s no telling how many people surrounding Mr. Bannon he might sack.

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 12:47:29am

re: #397 Lupin

If I had to single out one new terrifying fact, it ids this: “The US is no longer our friend” is permeating through ll kinds of very important channels.

It is not as “colorful” as some of the other abominations covered here, but is is nonetheless the greatest gamechanger I’ve ever seen in my 62 years.

Think about it: “The US is no longer our friend.” Ponder the consequences.

Terrifying.

The logical thought process being “If America isn’t our ally, then who do we look to?” Russia and China would love nothing better than to step in and fill that role. Russia for the chance to rebuild herself, China for the chance to finally become a superpower.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:48:03am

re: #390 Anymouse

That said, I fired an E-mail at my friends in Switzerland and Germany noting that despite the insanity pouring out of the White House, there is resistance to this here. Moreover, it would appear that those inside the government here aren’t taking this lying down. The place already is leaking like a sieve, and there are those even in the GOP who are opposed to this nonsense.

Sooner or later the extremely wealthy are going to come out, and many aren’t going to be happy with the GOP continuing this nonsense (your money is worthless if the country is a smoking hole in the ocean).
.

Personally what I see or hear about seems, well, kind of irreversible. New channels are being created, information-sharing is being withheld or withdrawn. It’ll be hard to reboot to previous state.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:51:17am

re: #398 Targetpractice

The flip side to that? A lot of awful dictators were removed from power through coups orchestrated by their underlings, only for the people to find out that the underlings were every bit as horrible but smart enough to fix things so that there would be no similar uprising to remove them from power. Whether he’s removed through impeachment, invocation of the XXV amendment, dies in office, or simply decides he liked it better being a TV star, the end result is we’re stuck with Mike Pence. And Pence is a much cagier politician, he’s unlikely to make much of the same mistakes that Trump is and he’s almost LBJ-like in his ability to work the levers of power. He could actually capitalize on the negative views towards Trump to work over Democrats to his way of thinking.

I don’t think there are a whole lot of Democrats that favour his “identity politics” of Christianity first, conservative second, GOP third.

Washington is not Indiana, and even in very conservative Indiana conservatives were pretty much fed up with him.

Moreover, a putative President Pence would not hesitate to remove all the awful people ~~President Bannon~~ President Trump has surrounded himself with.

Those guys do not have Mr. Pence on their Christmas card lists.

Pence is a theocratic wingnut, but within the range of normal theocratic wingnuts. He can also see the dangers of overstepping his perceived powers (such as backpedalling on his bash the gays bill in Indiana).

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Cheechako Jan 28, 2017 • 12:52:58am

re: #387 Anymouse

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:54:02am

re: #401 Lupin

Personally what I see or hear about seems, well, kind of irreversible. New channels are being created, information-sharing is being withheld or withdrawn. It’ll be hard to reboot to previous state.

Certainly there will be damage to our relationships with other nations; given time they can be rebuilt.

A more wary relationship with our government might actually be a good thing. I am not bashing our allies here, but perhaps they were simply too trusting of our good nature. Like any nation, that can change quickly.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:56:36am

re: #400 Targetpractice

The logical thought process being “If America isn’t our ally, then who do we look to?” Russia and China would love nothing better than to step in and fill that role. Russia for the chance to rebuild herself, China for the chance to finally become a superpower.

Not Russia, no. The Bear is more distrusted than ever, and clearly part of Bannon’s Axis to reintroduce fascism in Western Europe.

China however… If China plays its cards well with South Korea and Japan, the sky is the limit.

Interestingly it’s been reported here that, with France being a nuclear power, it’s been discreetly approached by states who used to rely on the US nuclear umbrella and who now want to discuss “technology sharing” (ie: bombs).

If you liked the 19th century, you’ll love the 21st. As i told a friend: it’ll be like playing RISK on meth.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 12:57:41am

re: #404 Anymouse

A more wary relationship with our government might actually be a good thing. I am not bashing our allies here, but perhaps they were simply too trusting of our good nature. Like any nation, that can change quickly.

I couldn’t agree more.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:57:55am

re: #403 Cheechako

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electrotek Jan 28, 2017 • 12:59:10am

#TheResistance #MuslimBan

American model Iman, widow of David Bowie, a Muslim Somalian refugee, on being a refugee. pic.twitter.com/mDg8rb9aO4

— The Anti-Trump (@IMPL0RABLE) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 1:04:36am

re: #403 Cheechako

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goddamnedfrank Jan 28, 2017 • 1:17:57am

Lots of reports that Trump’s broadly worded EO is being applied to long term US residents (green card holders.) We’re talking about people who’ve lived here, worked here and paid taxes here for years, who in some cases have US citizen children and spouses, who just left the country for business trips or vacation and now find themselves exiles from their homes and families.

Within hours of President Trump’s executive order limiting immigration from Muslim countries, green card and visa holders were already being blocked from getting on flights to the U.S.

The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee said people who had already landed were being sequestered at airports and told they have to return to their point of origin.

This situation is exceedingly fucked.

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 1:19:49am

re: #402 Anymouse

I don’t think there are a whole lot of Democrats that favour his “identity politics” of Christianity first, conservative second, GOP third.

Washington is not Indiana, and even in very conservative Indiana conservatives were pretty much fed up with him.

Moreover, a putative President Pence would not hesitate to remove all the awful people ~~President Bannon~~ President Trump has surrounded himself with.

Those guys do not have Mr. Pence on their Christmas card lists.

Pence is a theocratic wingnut, but within the range of normal theocratic wingnuts. He can also see the dangers of overstepping his perceived powers (such as backpedalling on his bash the gays bill in Indiana).

6 months ago, we said that there was no way that Trump could win. The negatives were so heavily against him and his proposals were absolutely insane, such that no right-thinking human being could go for them.

It was just last week that a lot of “very serious” people were telling us we had to give Trump a chance, perhaps he’d mellow out and if he didn’t then the response to his actions would be so forceful and united that he couldn’t go through with the craziest of his campaign promises.

So the idea that Mike Pence couldn’t find Democrats who could be bought with 30 pieces of silver to go along with his theocratic craziness is not that far of a stretch. There are enough Democrats in red and purple states who would be willing to accept small changes to something like Pence’s “religious freedom” bill in the hope that it might help them at the polls come reelection.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 1:22:41am

re: #410 goddamnedfrank

Also noted on Twitter were people already in flight to the USA who would be turned away at customs houses on arrival.

CAIR is already gearing up a lawsuit, as well as the ACLU.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 1:27:34am

re: #411 Targetpractice

6 months ago, we said that there was no way that Trump could win. The negatives were so heavily against him and his proposals were absolutely insane, such that no right-thinking human being could go for them.

It was just last week that a lot of “very serious” people were telling us we had to give Trump a chance, perhaps he’d mellow out and if he didn’t then the response to his actions would be so forceful and united that he couldn’t go through with the craziest of his campaign promises.

So the idea that Mike Pence couldn’t find Democrats who could be bought with 30 pieces of silver to go along with his theocratic craziness is not that far of a stretch. There are enough Democrats in red and purple states who would be willing to accept small changes to something like Pence’s “religious freedom” bill in the hope that it might help them at the polls come reelection.

Well, we’ll have to see.

If Pence is embroiled enough in the Russia connexions, it may go the same way as President Nixon: Vice-President Agnew was ousted first.

As I recall, Mr. Pence is having some troubles back home with E-mail servers and trying to hide putatively public information.

My best-case scenario is that enough of Trump’s supporters become disillusioned with him that they say “screw it” in the next election. If they move to impeach him or use the XXV Amendment to set him aside, Trump supporters aren’t going to be coming after the Democrats. (Hence my position of “no impeachment bill sponsored by Dems,” let the GOP do it and tear apart their own base.)

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 1:30:58am

re: #410 goddamnedfrank

Lots of reports that Trump’s broadly worded EO is being applied to long term US residents (green card holders.) We’re talking about people who’ve lived here, worked here and paid taxes here for years, who in some cases have US citizen children and spouses, who just left the country for business trips or vacation and now find themselves exiles from their homes and families.

This situation is exceedingly fucked.

Work hard, follow the rules, do everything by the book…and still get screwed because the privileged white asshole who is up to his eyeballs in questionable connections thinks you can’t be trusted to live in this country.

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prairiefire Jan 28, 2017 • 1:31:01am

re: #412 Anymouse

I think my area took in about 12-14 refugees. When one family came through KCI airport, there were several people there to transition them, plus about 6 people there as a show of support. They looked exhausted, road worn and weary. My fellow city folk welcomed with open arms.
Welcome to the home of the free.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 1:33:03am

re: #413 Anymouse

Well, we’ll have to see.

If Pence is embroiled enough in the Russia connexions, it may go the same way as President Nixon: Vice-President Agnew was ousted first.

As I recall, Mr. Pence is having some troubles back home with E-mail servers and trying to hide putatively public information.

My best-case scenario is that enough of Trump’s supporters become disillusioned with him that they say “screw it” in the next election. If they move to impeach him or use the XXV Amendment to set him aside, Trump supporters aren’t going to be coming after the Democrats. (Hence my position of “no impeachment bill sponsored by Dems,” let the GOP do it and tear apart their own base.)

A redditor who goes by the handle Morat20 put it succinctly; indeed, better than I could, so I’m just gonna use his post as my reply:

…the stink of impeachment don’t wash off. Every one of those folks, bar a small handful, have tons of photos of them cheering on Trump and videos of them praising him.

It’ll be in every campaign ad against them for the rest of their life.

And lastly — the public is pretty simple. The President is the party. You impeach the President, you impeach the party. “We’re cleaning house” doesn’t stick — instead “GOP corrupt/criminal” is the takeaway.

And all of this doesn’t get better. The earlier they impeach, the more it looks like they knew and stabbed him in the back — bait and switched the public. The longer they wait, the more they’re tied to him and his decisions.

It’s the same cleft they were stuck with when he won the primary. Can’t denounce him without killing their own political ambitions, can’t support him without tying themselves to everything he does.

Him winning office was the worst thing that could have happened to them. And they deserve every minute of it.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 1:36:44am

This is fucking brilliant - I’d never seen it before. LOL.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 1:37:00am

re: #415 prairiefire

I think my area took in about 12-14 refugees. When one family came through KCI airport, there were several people there to transition them, plus about 6 people there as a show of support. They looked exhausted, road worn and weary. My fellow city folk welcomed with open arms.
Welcome to the home of the free.

Good on your area. Not everyone in the country is a jerk. There are plenty of good people, on the coasts and in the heartland. The good people are the ones who need to stand up (and be louder if necessary).

I’m minded of the incident at University of Florida (my wife’s first alma mater) yesterday, where a neo-Nazi started spewing bile on campus. He was immediately surrounded by a wall of students who would not let his nonsense go unanswered; he slunk away.

Bullies will fold when they are opposed, and usually it doesn’t require violence.

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Cheechako Jan 28, 2017 • 1:37:57am

re: #409 Anymouse

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ozharas Jan 28, 2017 • 1:38:45am

Reports on Twitter that Asghar Farhadi is now denied a visa to attend the Oscar’s where the Iranian director’s film has been nominated for a Best Foreign Language Film Oscar.

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Cheechako Jan 28, 2017 • 1:43:15am

This pile of crap is stinking so badly it will get “modified” in a day or two.
Just another example of piss poor planning.

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Cheechako Jan 28, 2017 • 1:44:58am

Time to call it a night. Be back in the AM.

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 1:53:41am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

A redditor who goes by the handle Morat20 put it succinctly; indeed, better than I could, so I’m just gonna use his post as my reply:

The most relevant question at this juncture is just how horrible a crime/action would Trump have to have taken to drive enough Republicans in Congress over the edge into removing him from office? These days, being implicated in a plan to steal documentation from DNC headquarters and cover it up by bribing high officials probably would get a “But Clinton…” from the GOP.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 1:56:43am

I wonder if this account is real - if it is, it might be worth following.

Tweets by RoguePOTUSStaff

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 1:57:47am

re: #419 Cheechako

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 2:00:30am

re: #424 Dr Lizardo

I wonder if this account is real - if it is, it might be worth following.

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If they are people within the Administration, that doesn’t bode well for Mr. Trump (and maybe Mr. Pence): the long knives are already out after only one week. At least Nixon lasted six years.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 2:01:08am

Following what I wrote above, just in this morning, French Presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron (with a decent chance of becoming the next President) quoted in The Guardian:

“Britain lived in an equilibrium with Europe,” Macron told France Culture radio. “But now it is becoming a vassal state, meaning it is becoming the junior partner of the United States.”

Macron added that he now feared the EU could no longer rank the US as a reliable partner in safeguarding western values. “What’s happening today with Trump’s first statements and choices is extremely serious and worrying,” he said. “It’s firstly a choice that it will be an America that provokes … an America that destabilises things that have been built for decades.

“It signifies that the US will no longer be in a position to co-organise globalisation and be the world’s policeman with the European Union. The unpredictable choices, the outbursts and the inward-looking United States of Trump no longer guarantees Europe’s security.”

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freetoken Jan 28, 2017 • 2:05:49am

We’re on such a wild ride… more so than any time in my life, perhaps.

The 60’s had it’s moments - the Cuban Missile Crisis at the top, then the assassinations, and the Vietnam war.

Who knows what this year will bring, or the next?

I still suspect that office of the President is too taxing for Trump, whose claims of vigor was just a work.

His faithful underlings will try to cover for him, but our government is too large and our people too eager for headlines for a cover-up to last long.

The hate-right/fundamentalist alignment that saw Trump eek out just enough electoral votes to become President are themselves built on lies and eventually all that catches up.

But there’ll be quite the mess to clean up.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 2:08:33am

re: #428 freetoken

It’s certainly occurred to be that the next President is going to have one hell of a mess to clean up - it’ll take longer than four years, maybe even longer than eight, if it can be cleaned up at all.

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William Lewis Jan 28, 2017 • 2:15:02am

re: #429 Dr Lizardo

It is obvious that the US will exist as a separate political entity after Trump but the US will not a superpower because too many bridges will have been burned.

My guess is China will be the largest post US power with the question being if a Free EU can be salvaged by Germany and France to balance them.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 2:16:57am

re: #430 William Lewis

It is obvious that the US will exist as a separate political entity after Trump but the US will not a superpower because too many bridges will have been burned.

My guess is China will be the largest post US power with the question being if a Free EU can be salvaged by Germany and France to balance them.

Yeah, that’s pretty much my line of thinking as well.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 2:22:04am

Meanwhile, in other news, Turkey has just lost its last major investment grade rating - Fitch has downgraded Turkey’s sovereign debt rating to junk status.

hurriyetdailynews.com

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 2:25:07am

Also in news out of Turkey, this popped up:

Turkey has criticized Greek authorities after a controversial court ruling that went against Ankara’s demand for the extradition of the eight Gülenist soldiers who were involved in a failed coup attempt on July 15, 2016 against the democratically elected government.

On Friday, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said Turkey will take the necessary measures against Greece following the court’s failure to extradite Gülenist Terror Group (FETÖ) soldiers to Turkey, including cancelling the readmission deal with Greece, which allows the latter to return illegal migrants, who traveled through Turkey, back to Turkey to be processed before being sent back to their country of origin, news channel TRT Haber reported.

“We are evaluating what we can do. There is a migration deal we signed, including a readmission deal with Greece, and we are evaluating what we can do, including the possible cancellation of the deal,” Çavuşoğlu added.

Oh boy - and just in time for elections in France and Germany.

*headdesk*

dailysabah.com

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 2:29:59am

re: #427 Lupin

My guess is those businesses that cannot move (due to infrastructure, such as Dow, GE, Ford) in a short term are going to start putting real pressure on the GOP.

They can’t make money in an unstable country and they can’t just uproot and move overnight.

They are in it for the money. If the Democrats offer them stability, then they will throw the GOP under the bus in a heartbeat.

Our nation has survived political party collapses before. There is no reason to believe if the GOP really wants a suicide pact with the wingnuts that it can’t again.

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William Lewis Jan 28, 2017 • 2:39:46am

re: #434 Anymouse

The bigger danger is a worldwide “Panic of 1837” like the one that crippled the American economy for a decade after the last economicaly illiterate president who also rode a populist wave of stupidity to the White House.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 2:44:38am

re: #428 freetoken

We’re on such a wild ride… more so than any time in my life, perhaps.

The 60’s had it’s moments - the Cuban Missile Crisis at the top, then the assassinations, and the Vietnam war.

Who knows what this year will bring, or the next?

I still suspect that office of the President is too taxing for Trump, whose claims of vigor was just a work.

His faithful underlings will try to cover for him, but our government is too large and our people too eager for headlines for a cover-up to last long.

The hate-right/fundamentalist alignment that saw Trump eek out just enough electoral votes to become President are themselves built on lies and eventually all that catches up.

But there’ll be quite the mess to clean up.

I was 8 at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis so it didn’t quite register in the same fashion; but I think today, now, is the most catastrophic I’ve seen in my adult life.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 2:47:54am

re: #434 Anymouse

My guess is those businesses that cannot move (due to infrastructure, such as Dow, GE, Ford) in a short term are going to start putting real pressure on the GOP.

They can’t make money in an unstable country and they can’t just uproot and move overnight.

They are in it for the money. If the Democrats offer them stability, then they will throw the GOP under the bus in a heartbeat.

Our nation has survived political party collapses before. There is no reason to believe if the GOP really wants a suicide pact with the wingnuts that it can’t again.

I hope you’re correct; yet big business has always supported fascism, or found accommodations with it, even when it wasn’t necessarily to their advantage.

I personally never believed the CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination, but I think the Military Complex (Pentagon/CIA/NSA) is more likely to strike back than cowardly business leaders.

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Lupin Jan 28, 2017 • 2:52:50am

The Trump Fascist Organization now plans to wreck as much of the UN as they can:

daily beast

I tell you, this demolition derby of everything so carefully everything built since WWII is not going to end well.

Let’s face it: Who is the biggest target? The US. Who is the most loathed nation? The US. Who are going to look the other way when the lunatics prepare to strike? The rest of the world. And after that, what? Nukes? Full-blown fascism?

No it’s not going to end well.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:00:53am

re: #436 Lupin

I was 8 at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis so it didn’t quite register in the same fashion; but I think today, now, is the most catastrophic I’ve seen in my adult life.

I don’t feel so oldz now. I was two.

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 3:01:26am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

This is fucking brilliant - I’d never seen it before. LOL.

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Near the bottom: Story by Al Franken;

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 3:02:00am

Here’s the thing: For the GOP to suffer the greatest erosion of power, it would require them to impeach and remove Trump from office voluntarily. Any other scenario and they lose little and might actually benefit.

If the DNC initiates impeachment, their base declares it to be a partisan attack by a bunch of sore losers and threaten to drive any party member who supports removing Trump from office out at the earliest possible chance.

If they invoke the XXV Amendment and declare him medically unfit to continue, particularly if he’s found to be mentally unfit, then they just write off his actions as those of a man not in full control of his faculties. They might even profit by overturning the most unpopular EOs/laws to appease the public.

If he dies in office, then they push forward “in his name” and use the “rally ‘round the flag” effect to boost Pence’s political capital. They defend his “legacy” and work to enshrine as much of it as possible in order to preserve said “legacy.”

And if he just up and leaves, then they treat the whole thing as a mistake and promote the idea that the country should just “move on” and support President Pence is righting the ship of state. All the while making sure to convince the public that Trump “meant well” and he just wasn’t up to the challenge, so we shouldn’t hold his performance against him.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:02:07am

re: #438 Lupin

The Trump Fascist Organization now plans to wreck as much of the UN as they can:

daily beast

I tell you, this demolition derby of everything so carefully everything built since WWII is not going to end well.

Let’s face it: Who is the biggest target? The US. Who is the most loathed nation? The US. Who are going to look the other way when the lunatics prepare to strike? The rest of the world. And after that, what? Nukes? Full-blown fascism?

No it’s not going to end well.

The GOP has hated the UN as long as I’ve been alive, and they would have done that if they could long ago. (See the John Birch Society. They weren’t aligned with the Democrats.)

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:07:00am

re: #441 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: For the GOP to suffer the greatest erosion of power, it would require them to impeach and remove Trump from office voluntarily. Any other scenario and they lose little and might actually benefit.

If the DNC initiates impeachment, their base declares it to be a partisan attack by a bunch of sore losers and threaten to drive any party member who supports removing Trump from office out at the earliest possible chance.

If they invoke the XXV Amendment and declare him medically unfit to continue, particularly if he’s found to be mentally unfit, then they just write off his actions as those of a man not in full control of his faculties. They might even profit by overturning the most unpopular EOs/laws to appease the public.

If he dies in office, then they push forward “in his name” and use the “rally ‘round the flag” effect to boost Pence’s political capital. They defend his “legacy” and work to enshrine as much of it as possible in order to preserve said “legacy.”

And if he just up and leaves, then they treat the whole thing as a mistake and promote the idea that the country should just “move on” and support President Pence is righting the ship of state. All the while making sure to convince the public that Trump “meant well” and he just wasn’t up to the challenge, so we shouldn’t hold his performance against him.

And the thing about all of that:

If they impeach him, that pretty much dooms the GOP with their wingnut base.
If they impose the XXV Amendment, it both dooms them with their wingnut base and independents will see that the GOP nominated someone they knew was incompetent from the start (the Dems can help them out with that picture).
If he dies in office, that could go a number of ways.
If he up and quits, that splits the GOP (especially if he quits to start a different party because the “establishment” isn’t supporting him). That could go a number of ways too.

You forgot: if the sense of foreign interference or outright sedition within his party become too much to resist, everyone who attached themselves to him goes down with him (including Pence, McConnell, and Ryan). The GOP establishment is then stuck with the choice of going down with the ship, or impeachment (see result above).

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 3:13:29am

re: #443 Anymouse

I think they’ll go down with the ship. The GOP has evolved (or devolved, depending on your POV) into a political version of the People’s Temple.

They’ll gladly chug the Flavor-Aid when the time comes.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:25:47am

WOW. The Mayor of #Berlin just issued this statement to #Trump about the #MuslimBan! pic.twitter.com/FUtmgFr4lD

— Political Woman (@HRCNJVolunteers) January 28, 2017

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“Mr. President, don’t build this wall!” Berlin mayor tells Trump https://t.co/jqu9iwvxPX

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 27, 2017

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Targetpractice Jan 28, 2017 • 3:29:45am

re: #443 Anymouse

And the thing about all of that:

If they impeach him, that pretty much dooms the GOP with their wingnut base.
If they impose the XXV Amendment, it both dooms them with their wingnut base and independents will see that the GOP nominated someone they knew was incompetent from the start (the Dems can help them out with that picture).
If he dies in office, that could go a number of ways.
If he up and quits, that splits the GOP (especially if he quits to start a different party because the “establishment” isn’t supporting him). That could go a number of ways too.

You forgot: if the sense of foreign interference or outright sedition within his party become too much to resist, everyone who attached themselves to him goes down with him (including Pence, McConnell, and Ryan). The GOP establishment is then stuck with the choice of going down with the ship, or impeachment (see result above).

So, basically, the only scenario where the GOP suffers lasting damage is the scenario where it voluntarily slits its own throat. Any other scenario may have a devastating immediate result, but can be addressed by putting as much distance between the party and all those connected to the Trump administration.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 3:33:52am

re: #446 Targetpractice

So, basically, the only scenario where the GOP suffers lasting damage is the scenario where it voluntarily slits its own throat. Any other scenario may have a devastating immediate result, but can be addressed by putting as much distance between the party and all those connected to the Trump administration.

We can rely on GOP politicians to do what is best for the nation. Just ask them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 3:34:44am

re: #442 Anymouse

The GOP has hated the UN as long as I’ve been alive, and they would have done that if they could long ago. (See the John Birch Society. They weren’t aligned with the Democrats.)

I think their dream involves evicting them from the UN building and turning it into a new Trump Resort and Casino. The property, however, will be allowed to retain its status as an international enclave, making it exempt from US legislation and taxation.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:35:32am

re: #446 Targetpractice

So, basically, the only scenario where the GOP suffers lasting damage is the scenario where it voluntarily slits its own throat. Any other scenario may have a devastating immediate result, but can be addressed by putting as much distance between the party and all those connected to the Trump administration.

That’s pretty much all the scenarios.

I was at sea in the Mediterranean when the Berlin Wall fell.

I had a shortwave radio in my shop, and every early morning I would post headlines from one of the world’s shortwave services on our shop chalkboard, which turned into something of a minor tourist attraction for the officers aboard the ship - they would come cruising through to read the news rather than listen to the rather censored ship’s radio Armed Forces Radio Service.

The day the wall came down I happened to be listening to the BBC. I was awestruck, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Flipped through different stations that I could get, and it was the same everywhere, VOA, Deutsche Welle, even Radio Berlin International (East Germany) and Radio Moscow.

They say you remember exactly where you were when a remarkable event occurs - that one will stick with me the rest of my life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 3:39:43am

re: #449 Anymouse

That’s pretty much all the scenarios.

I was at sea in the Mediterranean when the Berlin Wall fell.

I had a shortwave radio in my shop, and every early morning I would post headlines from one of the world’s shortwave services on our shop chalkboard, which turned into something of a minor tourist attraction for the officers aboard the ship - they would come cruising through to read the news rather than listen to the rather censored ship’s radio Armed Forces Radio Service.

The day the wall came down I happened to be listening to the BBC. I was awestruck, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Flipped through different stations that I could get, and it was the same everywhere, VOA, Deutsche Welle, even Radio Berlin International (East Germany) and Radio Moscow.

They say you remember exactly where you were when a remarkable event occurs - that one will stick with me the rest of my life.

I was living in (West) Germany and even went out and bought a TV. Could not wait for the newspapers to keep up in the pre-Intenet News Era.

The TV set was the cheapest one I could find, manufactured in East Germany.

Oddly, it had no headphone jack plug and even with the sound turned all the way down, you could still hear the fanfare from the West German News program through a closed door…I am sure it was designed that way to discourage East Germans from tuning in to them.

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Kragar Jan 28, 2017 • 3:41:29am

Chinese military says war with US ‘becoming practical reality’ https://t.co/G9Q9GmKHrS pic.twitter.com/6HeJcvFowf

— The Independent (@Independent) January 28, 2017

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And a lot of people were afraid that we would be in a nuclear war with Russia if Hillary won. https://t.co/Ukuzz1XUh8

— Knight of Cerebus (@SciOperative) January 28, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 3:42:21am

re: #449 Anymouse

That’s pretty much all the scenarios.

I was at sea in the Mediterranean when the Berlin Wall fell.

I had a shortwave radio in my shop, and every early morning I would post headlines from one of the world’s shortwave services on our shop chalkboard, which turned into something of a minor tourist attraction for the officers aboard the ship - they would come cruising through to read the news rather than listen to the rather censored ship’s radio Armed Forces Radio Service.

The day the wall came down I happened to be listening to the BBC. I was awestruck, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Flipped through different stations that I could get, and it was the same everywhere, VOA, Deutsche Welle, even Radio Berlin International (East Germany) and Radio Moscow.

They say you remember exactly where you were when a remarkable event occurs - that one will stick with me the rest of my life.

Wife was an Army brat in Vilseck, on her second FRG tour, when it went up. She says the next Noncombatant Evacuation drill (NEO) was still a screwup.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:47:36am

All of Trump’s Tweets Are Being Redone as a Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’s Dukat (Goes to AV Club)

Hot on the heels of Mark Hamill’s delightfully mad readings of Donald Trump’s tweets as the Joker comes a new and equally accurate reframing of the commander in chief’s stream-of-consciousness social media presence. This time, we’re headed for the dark recesses of the Star Trek universe.

A new Twitter account, @ realRealDukat (so you know for sure that it’s real) has been rewriting all of Trump’s tweets over the past few weeks as if they were posted by Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’s primary antagonist, the Cardassian war criminal Gul Dukat. If there are any similarities between Dukat (a ruthless, self-absorbed, authoritarian leader determined to be recognized as being on the right side of history despite all facts to the contrary) and Donald Trump (the other guy), it’s up to the individual reader to decide. But, for a moment at least, it’s fun to imagine these types of things are being written on a space station far away.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 3:49:25am

re: #449 Anymouse

That’s pretty much all the scenarios.

I was at sea in the Mediterranean when the Berlin Wall fell.

I had a shortwave radio in my shop, and every early morning I would post headlines from one of the world’s shortwave services on our shop chalkboard, which turned into something of a minor tourist attraction for the officers aboard the ship - they would come cruising through to read the news rather than listen to the rather censored ship’s radio Armed Forces Radio Service.

The day the wall came down I happened to be listening to the BBC. I was awestruck, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Flipped through different stations that I could get, and it was the same everywhere, VOA, Deutsche Welle, even Radio Berlin International (East Germany) and Radio Moscow.

They say you remember exactly where you were when a remarkable event occurs - that one will stick with me the rest of my life.

I happened to be home that day; a Breaking News thing popped up and there was Tom Brokaw live from Berlin, getting what I can only describe as the scoop of the century.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 3:52:43am

Wingnuts are all over that channel screaming “Fake NEWZZZZ!!!!1!!unoeleventy2!!”

All the person is doing is casting Mr. Trump’s tweets into the DS9 universe, such as:

Only reason the hacking of the poorly defended Voyager is discussed is that loss by Janeway voters was so big they are totally embarrassed!

— Dukat (@realRealDukat) January 13, 2017

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Kragar Jan 28, 2017 • 3:58:33am

On reflection, maybe putting a criminally insane dick in the White House wasn’t that great an idea after all.

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:04:07am

re: #454 Dr Lizardo

I happened to be home that day; a Breaking News thing popped up and there was Tom Brokaw live from Berlin, getting what I can only describe as the scoop of the century.

The other (terrible) moment (besides this election and 9/11 - I was homeless then so I didn’t see live news coverage of that event) is also burned into my memory.

I was going to school at NAS Cecil Field in Jacksonville, and we all went outside to watch Space Shuttle Challenger launch. (Cocoa Beach is some distance from Jacksonville but you can see launches in Jax.)

All of us got to watch live and in person as the shuttle exploded.

It took some seconds for us to realise what had happened, then inside the classroom to check a television set. Shortly thereafter the school command suspended classes for that day and the next; I went home to Jacksonville Beach shaken by a scene that was truly haunting. (The aphantasia thing means I cannot bring up the scene I know I witnessed, but it is still terrible.)

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 4:04:36am

re: #456 Kragar

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!!

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:05:24am

re: #458 Dr Lizardo

[wingnut]WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!![wingnut]

You missed the / on the closing wingnut. Never leave wingnuts unclosed.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:06:14am

Can’t wait for the Google banner on this:

Google Recalls Staff to U.S. After Trump Immigration Order

bloomberg.com

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 4:06:21am

re: #459 Anymouse

You missed the / on the closing wingnut. Never leave wingnuts unclosed.

I fixed it.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:13:47am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Can’t wait for the Google banner on this:

Google Recalls Staff to U.S. After Trump Immigration Order

bloomberg.com

Google’s blog has nothing yet. Their banner on their main page is a Chinese New Year doodle.

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Kragar Jan 28, 2017 • 4:14:18am

We need a White House petition asking for a full physical and neurological workup of Trump. We need to know what is wrong with him.

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 4:17:55am

re: #463 Kragar

I couldn’t agree more; in particular, a neurological workup - I suspect he may have Alzheimer’s or dementia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 4:19:11am

re: #464 Dr Lizardo

I couldn’t agree more; in particular, a neurological workup - I suspect he may have Alzheimer’s or dementia.

He has the best dementia: he can forget stuff he never even remembered in the first place.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:20:24am

re: #463 Kragar

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You could start one, which the White House would likely ignore.

On the other hand, petitions there such as “Repeal the National Firearms Act” will get attention if they reach the required amount, I’m sure.

I’m guessing the petition site is going to go away eventually.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:23:29am

re: #464 Dr Lizardo

I couldn’t agree more; in particular, a neurological workup - I suspect he may have Alzheimer’s or dementia.

Propane Jane has addressed this on Twitter. Jim Wright has addressed it on his Website.

Instability-In-Chief: When the Man Who Would Be President Was Too Hated to Be Helped https://t.co/Go5TDOeUET via @docrocktex26

— Propane Jane™ (@docrocktex26) January 11, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:24:29am

re: #462 Anymouse

Google’s blog has nothing yet. Their banner on their main page is a Chinese New Year doodle.

It has heavy coverage on the business sites (WSJ, etc).

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:26:02am

re: #463 Kragar

We need a White House petition asking for a full physical and neurological workup of Trump. We need to know what is wrong with him.

IMHO, he’s just a big prick with a little prick.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:28:10am

Propane Jane also wrote a much longer argument at Daily Kos.

dailykos.com

My day job is seeing things people can’t or choose not to see. In other words, I’m a psychiatrist. I don’t say it to be boastful, but rather to illustrate my burden. While I take great pride in my service to my patients, I’m also forever incapable of turning off my clinical skills when I leave work. I notice speech patterns, eye contact, facial movements, tone, alertness, processing speed, linearity of thought, affect, mood, memory, insight, judgment, and risk of harm to self or others, in every single human interaction I witness or experience. I also can’t help but recognize when people employ maladaptive coping skills and defense mechanisms in response to life’s challenges.

Needless to say, I have concerns about Donald Trump.

(continues at Daily Kos)

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 4:30:21am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

IMHO, he’s just a big prick with a little prick.

Personally, I think there’s some underlying neurological or psychiatric issue at play with Trump. It’s entirely possible that he may well suspect there’s something wrong with him, however this conflicts with his ego, which informs him he’s the most perfect man who’s ever lived.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:30:56am

re: #471 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I think there’s some underlying neurological or psychiatric issue at play with Trump. It’s entirely possible that he may well suspect there’s something wrong with him, however this conflicts with his ego, which informs him he’s the most perfect man who’s ever lived.

Napoleon with nuclear weapons.

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 4:34:47am

re: #471 Dr Lizardo

AltNewsAlert: Trump’s ego may possibly not be the biggest one ever.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:39:44am

re: #473 unproven innocence

AltNewsAlert: Trump’s ego may possibly not be the biggest one ever.

And that might not be alt-news: The real ego might be President Bannon. (Reminder: Don’t tweet to Mr. Trump that Mr. Bannon is the real president and he is just a useful tool to be discarded.)

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:40:07am

re: #472 Anymouse

Napoleon with nuclear weapons.

But this one will be invited to Moscow.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 4:41:55am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

But this one will be invited to Moscow.

And not only as President, but as an intelligence asset.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:43:37am

re: #476 Dr Lizardo

And not only as President, but as an intelligence asset.

The chambermaids will be thrilled.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 4:51:11am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

But this one will be invited to Moscow.

So was Napoleon (well, he invited himself, anyway).

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 4:53:38am

re: #478 Anymouse

So was Napoleon (well, he invited himself, anyway).

“Bonaparte’s Retreat” ~ William H. Stepp, 1937

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 5:54:18am

re: #472 Anymouse

Napoleon with nuclear weapons.

Again, Napoleon had a record of public service and some clue about what he was doing.

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Myron Falwell Jan 28, 2017 • 5:55:50am

re: #442 Anymouse

The GOP has hated the UN as long as I’ve been alive, and they would have done that if they could long ago. (See the John Birch Society. They weren’t aligned with the Democrats.)

Pat Fucking Buchanan had the voluntary removal of the United States from the United Nations as the centerpiece of his racist 1992 campaign. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a part of this shitshow.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 5:56:01am

re: #480 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, Napoleon had a record of public service and some clue about what he was doing.

Knew where the end of a cannon should point.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 5:56:05am

It’s a new day and it’s the same fucking bullshit spewing from Trump on Twitter.

He engages in unconstitutional acts - acts that even Pence said was unconstitutional, and the relative silence from GOP leadership is speaking volumes.

They’re going along with it. They’re complicit in gutting the First Amendment.

They have no morals. No ethics. And no guiding principles other than power.

They are the enemy.

I know I said I would give Trump a chance and that I’d be the loyal opposition back when Trump won the election, but his chance came and went weeks ago - when it became abundantly clear that he was not going to represent all Americans or even some. He’s pushing a radical remaking of the nation that guts ALL that we hold near and dear - starting with the Constitution.

Trump is governing by fiat - executive orders - that he and the GOP decried as unconstitutional overreach when Obama did it. IOKIYAR.

He is so far in over his head, it doesn’t even matter. His cabal of cronies are running things and looking to run government into the ground. Everywhere you turn, it’s depressing - not only because so many people did vote for this lunatic, but the same people who claimed that they respect the constitution - and took an oath to that effect - are cheering on Trump’s actions yesterday.

Extreme vetting? That’s bullshit. It’s a ban on Muslims entering the US from Syria. Not Saudi Arabia. You cite 9/11 as your impetus, and Saudi Arabia isn’t included. Nor are any other country Trump has business ties to. That’s a violation of the Emoluments Clause too. Governing for his family’s benefit.

Not yours. Not mine. Certainly not the people seeking refuge here in the US against the horrors of IS barbarism.

Bannon is determined to wreck government, and he’s off to a tremendous start. He’s not only coopted the GOP, but he’s shown Democrats to be incapable of standing against the threat - all of the threat. Every last one of the nominations must be rejected for their incompetence, extremism, for their lack of qualifications. All of it.

There’s no quid pro quo here. There’s no comity. This is a war and the GOP barbarians are already inside the gates. We need a rear-guard action to preserve our Constitution and our Nation until we can throw the bastards out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 5:56:51am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

Knew where the end of a cannon should point.

Grab them by the Prussians!

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Myron Falwell Jan 28, 2017 • 5:57:19am

re: #472 Anymouse

Napoleon with nuclear weapons.

Able was I ere I saw Elba. Sad!

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:01:52am

re: #483 lawhawk

1. Your rant is substantially correct.

2. It is distressing how we are starting to sound like 2010 Freepers.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 6:04:31am

re: #483 lawhawk

And it gets better every day!! /s

China is stepping up preparedness for a possible military conflict with the US as the Donald Trump presidency has increased the risk of hostilities breaking out, state media and military observers said.

Beijing is bracing itself for a possible deterioration in Sino-US ties, with a particular emphasis on maritime security.

“‘A war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” it said.

The official People’s Daily said in another commentary on Sunday that China’s military would conduct exercises on the high seas regardless of foreign provocations. China’s sole aircraft carrier Liaoning passed through the narrow Taiwan Strait last month.

The commentary referred to remarks by the US secretary of state Rex Tillerson hopeful that the US should stop China’s access to artificial islands it has built in disputed areas of the South China Sea.

New White House spokesman Sean Spicer told a press conference on Monday that the US would prevent China from taking over territory in international waters in the South China Sea.

scmp.com

Hooray!! /s
*smdh*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 6:05:52am

re: #487 Dr Lizardo

And it gets better every day!! /s

scmp.com

Hooray!! /s
*smdh*

Would a war with China also not end up with them dumping their US investments and crashing the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency?

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 6:08:50am

re: #486 Decatur Deb

1) Ayep
2) The substantive difference is that the 2010 freepers were wrong all along. It was not unconstitutional to provide for the general welfare of the American people in the form of expanding health insurance to millions of people. Their argument was Obama somehow violating the constitution by requiring people to get health insurance.

Now? We’re debating how Trump has violated multiple provisions of the US constitution - the 1A establishment of religion provision; the Emoluments Clause. Violating the oath of office because he’s not even caring about the Russian hacks/infiltration to undermine the 2016 election outcome (to which he personally benefited).

But I do see your point as the same freepers would claim that we’re the extremists and pulling all the DARVO tricks out of their bag of badness to paint the loyal opposition (to protect and defend the constitution and nation against threats foreign and domestic) as being the enemy and engaging in unconstitutional acts. They’re the ones framing the arguments and they’re the ones who are winning on the optics.

It is time to take back the argument and the optics. It would help if Congressional Democrats got themselves a spine and fought all this tooth and nail.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:09:22am

re: #488 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Would a war with China also not end up with them dumping their US investments and crashing the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency?

Investment bankers on both sides are drawing up the no-fly zones for each air force.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 6:09:45am

This all just infuriates me so much.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:10:07am

re: #486 Decatur Deb

1. Your rant is substantially correct.

2. It is distressing how we are starting to sound like 2010 Freepers.

There’s a difference. The lunatics at Free Republic were entirely convinced of the GOP’s propaganda machine.

We see live what is going on now.

Where are all the II Amendment people and such that should decry the threat of sending in the Army into an American city for urban warfare to take guns? That’s right, just like when conservatives concern troll liberals over women’s rights in Saudi Arabia or some place, they are concern trolling over Chicago.

Chicago is wingnut for ni-CLANG.

Funny when my wife and I were in Chicago this summer, had ourselves a wonderful stroll far down on S Harlem Ave., popped into a place for a buffet lunch, didn’t feel threatened at all.

Louisiana has a much higher murder rate than Chicago. Why isn’t Mr. Trump suggesting martial law there? How about shutting down that one gun shop in Indiana that provides about 90% of the weapons used in crimes in Chicago?

Ever since Jim Crow bit the dust, they have been itching to get even. It’s like the period after Reconstruction.

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Myron Falwell Jan 28, 2017 • 6:11:26am

re: #446 Targetpractice

So, basically, the only scenario where the GOP suffers lasting damage is the scenario where it voluntarily slits its own throat. Any other scenario may have a devastating immediate result, but can be addressed by putting as much distance between the party and all those connected to the Trump administration.

The GOP IS the party of Trump. Those who protested either were thrown out, wised up and fled with their hair on fire or got bullied and harassed into submission. (Hello, Mitt.)

Because of that, I would be surprised if they Amendment 25-ed Trump.

re: #444 Dr Lizardo

I think they’ll go down with the ship. The GOP has evolved (or devolved, depending on your POV) into a political version of the People’s Temple.

They’ll gladly chug the Flavor-Aid when the time comes.

Unfortunately, the People’s Temple did some horrible shit (including executing a congressmen and an NBC reporter) before they drank from the Flavor-Aid.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 6:11:59am

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.

— Governor Mike Pence (@GovPenceIN) December 8, 2015

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Now he stands silently behind Trump while condoning what he called unconstitional acts. His silence will be a blight on him for all time https://t.co/UP8jRZn9UD

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 28, 2017

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Pence needs to be held to account for his actions.

He too is violating the oath of office - by his own words.

He is engaging in unconstitutional acts by enabling this unconstitutional EO.

Democrats in Congress - this is what is at stake. The very constitution and the oath you swore to protect and defend the US Constitution.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:13:24am

re: #489 lawhawk

re: #492 Anymouse

I didn’t say the Freepers were right. The words are different but the rhetorical music is starting to sound too much the same.

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Myron Falwell Jan 28, 2017 • 6:13:48am

re: #488 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Would a war with China also not end up with them dumping their US investments and crashing the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency?

If the plutocrats who rule us can’t see that, it’s their own goddam problem.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 6:13:58am

re: #492 Anymouse

There are a dozen cities that have higher murder rates than Chicago. There’s a bunch of cities with higher crime rates than Chicago.

Chicago serves double purpose - not only because there’s a large minority population, but because it’s Obama’s home town.

Trump’s angling for martial law. Again, he’s showing his fascist/authoritarian leanings, and he’s got a cabal who are more than willing to abrogate the constitution or just ignore the constitution to accumulate absolute power.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:17:01am

re: #497 lawhawk

There are a dozen cities that have higher murder rates than Chicago. There’s a bunch of cities with higher crime rates than Chicago.

Chicago serves double purpose - not only because there’s a large minority population, but because it’s Obama’s home town.

Trump’s angling for martial law. Again, he’s showing his fascist/authoritarian leanings, and he’s got a cabal who are more than willing to abrogate the constitution or just ignore the constitution to accumulate absolute power.

My county on the Florida-Georgia border (major income from peanuts) has always had a higher murder rate than NYC. Mostly meth and bad marriages.

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Myron Falwell Jan 28, 2017 • 6:19:12am

I don’t like Trump’s action, but NYT quotes 6 experts against xtreme vetting. NYT could not find one expert for it? https://t.co/nAmxHR16h2

— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) January 28, 2017

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Well they could but I think you would have been unhappy if they had quoted an ISIS recruiter directly https://t.co/UQ3JmW8Tm0

— (((Will Cubbison))) (@wccubbison) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:19:32am

re: #497 lawhawk

Yup.

re: #495 Decatur Deb

I didn’t say the Freepers were right. The words are different but the rhetorical music is starting to sound too much the same.

I don’t believe any Democrat has called Mr. Trump an atheist Kenyan Muslim Marxist Christian-Outlawing Apologist-in-Chief Coming to Jade Helm Us with UN Agenda 21 Hobbit Homes and Climate Change Hoax Perpetrated by Bohemian Grove/Illuminati/New World Order

Nope, not the same rhetoric.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:23:39am

re: #500 Anymouse

Yup.

I don’t believe any Democrat has called Mr. Trump an atheist Kenyan Muslim Marxist Christian-Outlawing Apologist-in-Chief Coming to Jade Helm Us with UN Agenda 21 Hobbit Homes and Climate Change Hoax Perpetrated by Bohemian Grove/Illuminati/New World Order

Nope, not the same rhetoric.

We have been warning each other off death-wish fantasies even here. It’s time to get a grip and figure out some useful effort.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:24:21am

I didn’t lay on the wingnut too thick there did I? I really haven’t been around wingnuts so I can’t say if that is authentic frontier wingnut gibberish or not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 6:24:54am

re: #496 Myron Falwell

If the plutocrats who rule us can’t see that, it’s their own goddam problem.

They see it quite clearly and are already discreetly positioning themselves to profit from the chaos to follow…

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:26:42am

re: #502 Anymouse

I didn’t lay on the wingnut too thick there did I? I really haven’t been around wingnuts so I can’t say if that is authentic frontier wingnut gibberish or not.

That’s all been said on sites like Freep and rightwards. At the same time, each element of it can be translated into Moonbat.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:27:05am

re: #501 Decatur Deb

We have been warning each other off death-wish fantasies even here. It’s time to get a grip and figure out some useful effort.

I have no significant power outside my hometown, and some influence in the county with individuals who all know me.

At the state level and Federal level I have all Republicans who do not respond nor care to; they only represent Republican voters and I essentially live in a one-party state.

Perhaps the training programme the Democrats have coming up will help turn out more volunteers and people willing to run for the bottom offices, but right now the Panhandle Democratic Socialists are more organised and they aren’t even a political party.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:27:40am

re: #504 Decatur Deb

That’s all been said on sites like Freep and rightwards. At the same time, each element of it can be translated into Moonbat.

Ahh, the Circle of Derp.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 6:27:43am

re: #499 Myron Falwell

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.

— Governor Mike Pence (@GovPenceIN) December 8, 2015

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How about this one - https://t.co/UP8jRZn9UD @AriFleischer

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 28, 2017

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I am so fucking pissed right now that anyone is trying to support the unconstitutional ban. Livid.

And there’s no better place to start rebutting any argument about this being lawful than by repeating Pence’s own words:

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.

— Governor Mike Pence (@GovPenceIN) December 8, 2015

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How about this one - https://t.co/UP8jRZn9UD @AriFleischer

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 28, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:30:45am

re: #505 Anymouse

I have no significant power outside my hometown, and some influence in the county with individuals who all know me.

At the state level and Federal level I have all Republicans who do not respond nor care to; they only represent Republican voters and I essentially live in a one-party state.

Perhaps the training programme the Democrats have coming up will help turn out more volunteers and people willing to run for the bottom offices, but right now the Panhandle Democratic Socialists are more organised and they aren’t even a political party.

What you’re doing is useful, but don’t expect the cavalry to arrive any time soon. They are elsewhere engaged.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:41:02am

Donald Trump: “To make America safer, I have banned any refugees from countries that don’t have a Trump Hotel or Trump Golf Course.”

— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:42:25am

re: #508 Decatur Deb

What you’re doing is useful, but don’t expect the cavalry to arrive any time soon. They are elsewhere engaged.

Maybe I’m just a Democratic version of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

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JasonA Jan 28, 2017 • 6:44:22am

Seven years ago I was in the process of applying for a job with the TSA. I have never been happier to have walked away from that.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:47:47am

This:

“We need to have a consistent, thematic message. Our side will be at its weakest if we’re offering ad hoc responses to issue after issue.”

— boldprogressives.org (@BoldProgressive) January 28, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 6:48:25am

re: #510 Anymouse

Maybe I’m just a Democratic version of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Or one of those one-man Japanese garrisons who didn’t get the message.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 6:50:46am

re: #513 Decatur Deb

Or one of those one-man Japanese garrisons who didn’t get the message.

Or thought it was Fake News.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:51:09am

re: #513 Decatur Deb

Or one of those one-man Japanese garrisons who didn’t get the message.

Hey some of those guys held out for forty years. (That would make me ninety-six.)

We now have two liberals on our village board. We appointed a new member last night.

I realise that liberal v conservative doesn’t really mean much in this sprawling metroplex. However, the village board in discussions was all in agreement that we need to engage the young people in town (teenagers, young adults) in local political action.

That’s good for the village.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 6:55:49am

So, hadn’t seen this:

@VicenteFoxQue Our REAL problem is that many Mexicans have no choice but to go illegally to USA because they have no opportunities at home.

— Luis A. Garcia (@Luis3RG) January 25, 2017

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Hmmm. How about: Our REAL problem is that many men have no choice but to rape because they have no opportunities to date attractive women. https://t.co/5EmQlDDvMs

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 26, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:56:03am

UN calls on Trump to reverse refugee ban.
huffingtonpost.com;

I’m guessing that will happen with the GOP next Saturday after never.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 6:57:21am

re: #516 Timothy Watson

So, hadn’t seen this:

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Sorry Anne, you’re too old for Donald Trump. Perhaps Steve Bannon can help. (ewww, brain bleach)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 7:02:19am

re: #518 Anymouse

Sorry Anne, you’re too old for Donald Trump. Perhaps Steve Bannon can help. (ewww, brain bleach)

she would have to rape him…

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 7:03:28am

Yup, show people why they would want to work with our military.

Iraqi interpreter who worked with 101st Airborne detained at JFK, separated from his wife and 3 children. https://t.co/O3Pu9iZQHC

— Nicholas Kulish (@nkulish) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 7:04:22am

More Americans were killed last year by toddlers w/guns than by terrorists.
I think we all know who the real threat is.

— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) January 28, 2017

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 7:05:50am

re: #521 Anymouse

More Americans were killed last year by toddlers w/guns than by terrorists.
I think we all know who the real threat is.

terrorist anchor babies

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:07:17am

The failing @nytimes has been wrong about me from the very beginning. Said I would lose the primaries, then the general election. FAKE NEWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2017

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Thr coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost gas been so false and angry that the times actually apologized to its…..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2017

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…dwindling subscribers and readers.They got me wrong right from the beginning and still have not changed course, and never will. DISHONEST

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2017

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good freaking grief

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 7:08:10am

If I were the architect for Trump’s Wall I’d build a secret exhaust port the size of a womp rat so the rebels could save the Republic.

— Stephen Colbert (@StephenAtHome) January 27, 2017

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 7:10:16am

Haven’t seen much mention of Bryan Fischer around here lately but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the guy is still a dick:

America is safer today because of Trump. 134,000,000 people whose ideology threatens America barred from entry. https://t.co/SXTg4h88XO

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) January 28, 2017

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I say we let ‘em go. GOP will win evey national election til the end of time, CA will implode, beg to get back in. https://t.co/LSrW5KLGJV

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) January 27, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 7:13:30am

Over/under 3 months until we see an international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign against the United States?

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mmmirele Jan 28, 2017 • 7:16:28am

re: #520 Anymouse

A lawyer friend of mine in NYC is helping to round up lawyers to go to the airports to represent the detained.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:17:27am

Refugees are being detained at U.S. airports — including an Iraqi at JFK who helped the U.S. government for 10 years https://t.co/KG9jNGJYbl pic.twitter.com/qs8q41HVjs

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) January 28, 2017

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JasonA Jan 28, 2017 • 7:19:41am

Shakespeare’s argument against Trump’s executive order, performed by Sir @IanMcKellen. https://t.co/9V112ykM8E

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:22:10am

I’ll leave this here, no RTs unless you want to anger @realDonaldTrump ofc #trump #TheResistance (shared by Andrea Maria Dusl on FB) pic.twitter.com/hDTEfPIkRM

— Eisenfuchs 🐹 (@GeorgMir) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:29:43am

re: #525 Eclectic Cyborg

Haven’t seen much mention of Bryan Fischer around here lately but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the guy is still a dick:

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Somehow I doubt Fischer is unaware that people from the country that contributed the most 9/11 hijackers aren’t banned. Fischer can fuck off. He would have cheered the turning away of Jews in the 30’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:32:19am

Legal filing: this Iraqi was detained under Trump’s order after landing in New York. https://t.co/aR0UPVgxwd pic.twitter.com/rJrzr3H9Kt

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 28, 2017

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 7:33:43am

If he had been a rich Saudi who helped Trump build a casino, he’d be OK. @BraddJaffy

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:34:14am

re: #532 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And now he’s sent home to risk possible death due to Trump’s bigotry. This guy literally did more for the U.S. armed forces than Trump, Fischer, and any of these bigots ever have.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 7:34:43am

re: #532 Backwoods_Sleuth

As usual, Trump is not pondering the consequence of his actions - indeed, that is the story of his entire life.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 7:35:16am

Prospective VA Employees Face Uncertainty with Federal Hiring Freeze (goes to Stars and Stripes)

WASHINGTON — Air Force veteran Jonathan Elm made a 600-mile move, leased an apartment and was preparing to start a job as an addiction therapist with the Department of Veterans Affairs when he received a message Wednesday from the VA. His employment was put on hold because of the temporary federal hiring freeze imposed by President Donald Trump.

“I about fell off my … chair,” Elm said. “It caught me off guard. I belong in the government. I have worked very hard, served in the Air Force honorably, and I am the highest qualified person for the position.”

A presidential memorandum that Trump signed Monday ordered agencies to stop hiring for vacant positions for 90 days, starting Jan. 22, until the Office of Personnel Management devised a plan to cut federal jobs through attrition.

(more at Stars and Stripes)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:35:47am

CHINA: Central Military Commission official says war against US in Trump’s term is not just a ‘slogan’, but becoming a ‘practical reality’

— The Int’l Spectator (@spectatorindex) January 28, 2017

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Well, that’s going to totally jack up prices at Walmart

Sorry, poor white trash Trump voters, but hey anything for Freedom right? https://t.co/0WKkzWv6ew

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:36:32am

I mean if your honest to God argument is that Muslims are a threat to this country, fine you’re a bigot and fuck you very much but Trump isn’t banning all Muslims. You can’t reconcile this order with being worried about terrorism when the nationality that had the most 9/11 hijackers and planners is being ignored as is the nationality of AQ’s mastermind. Obvoiusly not saying I would favor a ban on Saudi or Egyptian nationals, it’s just that it’s not consistent.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:37:42am

re: #536 Anymouse

Prospective VA Employees Face Uncertainty with Federal Hiring Freeze (goes to Stars and Stripes)

(more at Stars and Stripes)

He fucked so many people over with this but the Republican base won’t care because they see people like Jonathan Elm as “lazy bureaucrats” not actual people who have worked hard to get where they are.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 7:38:07am

re: #531 HappyWarrior

Somehow I doubt Fischer is unaware that people from the country that contributed the most 9/11 hijackers aren’t banned. Fischer can fuck off. He would have cheered the turning away of Jews in the 30’s.

He would have called for the crucifixion of troublesome Jewish rebels in the 0030’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:39:42am

.@realDonaldTrump Fact check: @nytimes subscribers & audience at all-time highs. Supporting independent journalism matters. pic.twitter.com/yzh90y6ih0

— NYTCo Communications (@NYTimesComm) January 28, 2017

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The insane voices in his head tell him otherwise #impeach https://t.co/f05Vp0gO9r

— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) January 28, 2017

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 7:39:59am

There have been zero fatalities in the U.S. by extremists from any of the Muslim countries on Trump’s banned list https://t.co/uxhixvkzkY #

— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) January 26, 2017

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 7:41:12am

Soon: Top Russian official says Putin-Trump call will be positive
AP | Updated: Jan 28, 2017, 08.31 PM IST

Highlights
Russian security chief Nikolai Patrushev says Moscow has high hopes for a scheduled telephone call between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.
“Everything will be positive,” Patrushev said Saturday, according to Russia’s Interfax news agency.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 7:41:55am

re: #543 unproven innocence

Putin: “Heck of a job, Trumpy!”

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 7:41:56am

re: #543 unproven innocence

Hail Hydra. /sarc not sarc

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 7:43:41am

re: #542 Ace-o-aces

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There you go with your “data” and “facts”…

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 7:44:05am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

He fucked so many people over with this but the Republican base won’t care because they see people like Jonathan Elm as “lazy bureaucrats” not actual people who have worked hard to get where they are.

Yup. I get the impression unless they actually see one of us veterans (and an awful lot of vets who work at the VA are disabled vets) we just fall into the amorphous “lazy taker” or whatnot.

I don’t get that around here, but everyone here knows me. When I first rolled into town when I moved here with my “I heart Obamacare” sticker on me I frequently got “wait, what? Liberals serve in the military?”

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 7:45:21am

Asghar Farhadi will not be able to attend the Oscars, where he is nominated, because of the Muslim Ban.

Even Hitler let Jesse Owens run.

— Tony Posnanski (@tonyposnanski) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:45:51am

re: #547 Anymouse

Yup. I get the impression unless they actually see one of us veterans (and an awful lot of vets who work at the VA are disabled vets) we just fall into the amorphous “lazy taker” or whatnot.

I don’t get that around here, but everyone here knows me. When I first rolled into town when I moved here with my “I heart Obamacare” sticker on me I frequently got “wait, what? Liberals serve in the military?”

Yeah they’re always astounded when they find out about liberal vets and they call us out of touch?. One of the most liberally minded people in my FB timeline is a guy whom was a year behind me in HS who like yourself is a Navy vet. He’s also an immigrant having been adopted at a young age.

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I cannot. Jan 28, 2017 • 7:46:42am

re: #543 unproven innocence

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t official international communications always spoken of as “We hope everything will be positive”, or in some similar manner? They never announce how it will happen BEFORE it happens, ever.

At least they wouldn’t…unless the fix was in.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:49:23am

Anyhow as much as I would like to get involved in many issues. I’ve settled on two- Civil Liberties and Immigration. I’m attending an immigration rally and I’m going to look for local ACLU meetings to attend.

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 7:51:29am

re: #550 I cannot.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t official international communications always spoken of as “We hope everything will be positive”, or in some similar manner? They never announce how it will happen BEFORE it happens, ever.

At least they wouldn’t…unless the fix was in.

I’m not aware of any announcement except the one from Moscow.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 7:51:50am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Anyhow as much as I would like to get involved in many issues. I’ve settled on two- Civil Liberties and Immigration. I’m attending an immigration rally and I’m going to look for local ACLU meetings to attend.

Focus is good. For the forseeable I’m after voting rights and public education, labor issues if I need a third.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:52:51am

re: #553 Decatur Deb

Focus is good. For the forseeable I’m after voting rights and public education, labor issues if I need a third.

Sounds good. I think public education would be my third. I’m also going to be working on local campaigns too. We’re not going up against Trump directly for another 3-4 years. Gotta get his proxies.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 7:54:16am

re: #550 I cannot.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t official international communications always spoken of as “We hope everything will be positive”, or in some similar manner? They never announce how it will happen BEFORE it happens, ever.

At least they wouldn’t…unless the fix was in.

The Russians have Trump by the cojones. He’s their puppet, their asset. A student of mine last week openly called Trump “…..a Russian stooge, Putin’s toady.” She gets it.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 7:55:11am

re: #555 Dr Lizardo

The Russians have Trump by the cojones. He’s their puppet, their asset. A student of mine last week openly called Trump “…..a Russian stooge, Putin’s toady.” She gets it.

Agree with your student. It’s pretty curious that he never criticizes Russia at all.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 7:55:48am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

Sounds good. I think public education would be my third. I’m also going to be working on local campaigns too. We’re not going up against Trump directly for another 3-4 years. Gotta get his proxies.

It will take us three years to build an effective, trained, motivated group of carpetbaggers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 7:56:14am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Agree with your student. It’s pretty curious that he never criticizes Russia at all.

Why? They are a model democracy.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 7:56:29am

This tweet is coherent, correctly spelled, and not whining about the media. That means his staff sent it, not @realDonaldTrump

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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Arkansawyer Jan 28, 2017 • 7:57:32am

The invasion of Iraq began on my 16th birthday. I remember feeling horrified and saddened by what our leaders were doing. I haven’t felt that that way again until today. This is not how “real Americans” behave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 7:59:37am

Early this morning, we filed a challenge to President Trump’s Muslim ban. https://t.co/y9I1lWj9C8

— ACLU National (@ACLU) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:00:54am

re: #560 Arkansawyer

The invasion of Iraq began on my 16th birthday. I remember feeling horrified and saddened by what our leaders were doing. I haven’t felt that that way again until today. This is not how “real Americans” behave.

I turned 16 the same year. I still remember the war fever that many of my classmates had in the lead up. Funnily enough, five years later I saw some of those same people become big Ron Paul fans.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:03:06am

re: #561 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ten to one Trump’s gonna try to find some way to get the ACLU shut down.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:03:56am

re: #563 Dr Lizardo

Ten to one Trump’s gonna try to find some way to get the ACLU shut down.

I’m sure we’ll hear some Orwellean language from Kellyanne or Sean about them soon.

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 8:04:51am

re: #563 Dr Lizardo

Ten to one Trump’s gonna try to find some way to get the ACLU shut down.

And…
Nevermind.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:07:21am

re: #564 HappyWarrior

re: #565 unproven innocence

He (or maybe Bannon) will try to get AG Sessions to pursue charges of sedition.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:08:31am

If I were a Democratic senator, congressperson, or governor, I’d be at an airport with a detained refugee, raising hell in person.

— Jacob Remes (@jacremes) January 28, 2017

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 8:09:10am

The failing @nytimes has been wrong about me from the very beginning. Said I would lose the primaries, then the general election. FAKE NEWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2017

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Remember when Obama spent his first week in office bitching about the negative coverage by @FoxNews? Me neither. https://t.co/3aGlKKu29w

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:09:39am

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Paying governor McAuliffe, we have an international airport in our state.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:10:02am

re: #568 Ace-o-aces

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He’s such a pathetic baby.

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Arkansawyer Jan 28, 2017 • 8:10:19am

re: #562 HappyWarrior

I turned 16 the same year. I still remember the war fever that many of my classmates had in the lead up. Funnily enough, five years later I saw some of those same people become big Ron Paul fans.

I’ve told my fiancee to not discuss with people the fact that I’m not a Christian. Only a handful of people know that about me. She thought I was being paranoid. But this could easily spiral out of control. My heart is aching for the people we’ve abandoned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:10:50am

PP & abortion dr killers r Christians who claimed 2 b doing God’s work. KC bomb plotters said they were on a crusade. Enough w/ hypocrisy. pic.twitter.com/Fbisvo9lv3

— A Once Great Nation (@USARedOrchestra) January 28, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 8:11:00am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Paying governor McAuliffe, we have an international airport in our state.

And Herring as Attorney General.

Kookinelli spent four years suing the federal government, I think we should get in on the business.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:11:20am

re: #568 Ace-o-aces

Someone needs to send Trump this: YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN

BTW, that scene was ad-libbed by Brando; Robert Duvall’s reaction was one of genuine amusement.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:11:21am

re: #571 Arkansawyer

I’ve told my fiancee to not discuss with people the fact that I’m not a Christian. Only a handful of people know that about me. She thought I was being paranoid. But this could easily spiral out of control. My heart is aching for the people we’ve abandoned.

It really could. I plan to speak out whenever I can. My FB is just one way I’m going to do it.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:13:16am

re: #573 Timothy Watson

And Herring as Attorney General.

Kookinelli spent four years suing the federal government, I think we should get in on the business.

Fire with fire, yep. Herring’s old state senate seat may in fact be for Dulles. Not 100% though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:13:35am

Hard to imagine anything more un-American than a religion-based ban on immigrants & refugees, but I’m sure Trump will think of something.

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:14:22am

pic.twitter.com/AEgU1xPGl6

— CobaltDaisy (@CobaltDaisy) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:14:24am

re: #574 Dr Lizardo

Someone needs to send Trump this: [Embedded content]

Video

BTW, that scene was ad-libbed by Brando; Robert Duvall’s reaction was one of genuine amusement.

Do you think he improvised that? You know how Brandon was famously unpredictable. That’s a great scene though. Well the entire movie is great.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:15:30am

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Borscht and Vodka instead of Chicken Noddle and Soup and Bourbon? I’m okay with half of that.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:16:08am

re: #579 HappyWarrior

Do you think he improvised that? You know how Brandon was famously unpredictable. That’s a great scene though. Well the entire movie is great.

Yeah, he did.

The smack that Vito gives Johnny Fontane was not in the script. Marlon Brando improvised the smack and Al Martino’s confused reaction was real. According to James Caan, “Martino didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.”

imdb.com

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:19:38am

re: #581 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, he did.

imdb.com

I figured. Figured Duvall and Martino’s reactions were too. The cat was something Brandon improvised too and I think the orange peel scene with Michael’s son Anthony in the garden before his heart attack.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 8:20:41am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

Fire with fire, yep. Herring’s old state senate seat may in fact be for Dulles. Not 100% though.

He might want to wait until the General Assembly session ends less he finds his entire Office defunded.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:20:49am

Well guys. Nearly at the end of the first month of the new year and weight loss is going great. EAting less/better and exerising more is doing wonders. Still want to lose some more before summer hits us but I’m calling January a win.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:21:36am

Apparently there is a #MuslimBan protest at JFK airport now, over the refugees detained there. Hop on the train now. pic.twitter.com/yLP2ixNXMJ

— Keegan Stephan (@KeeganNYC) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:21:58am

re: #582 HappyWarrior

I figured. Figured Duvall and Martino’s reactions were too. The cat was something Brandon improvised too and I think the orange peel scene with Michael’s son Anthony in the garden before his heart attack.

I’ve never been a huge Brando fan, but his performance in The Godfather was one for the ages - a tour de force that ranks as one of the greatest of all time.

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Belafon Jan 28, 2017 • 8:22:25am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Can’t wait for the Google banner on this:

Google Recalls Staff to U.S. After Trump Immigration Order

bloomberg.com

Maybe Google and other companies will get off their metaphorical asses.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 8:23:13am

SNL will be good tonight, methinks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:24:06am

Iran FM spokesman: In response to Trump’s decision to ban Iranians from entering the US, American citizens won’t be granted visas to Iran

— Ali Hashem علي هاشم (@alihashem_tv) January 28, 2017

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ipsos Jan 28, 2017 • 8:25:05am

re: #588 Eclectic Cyborg

SNL will be good tonight, methinks.

I believe it’s a rerun tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:25:14am

1939: Dear Jews, sorry you’re being murdered in your own countries but you can’t come here

1945: Never again!

2016: Dear Muslims…

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:25:32am

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never been a huge Brando fan, but his performance in The Godfather was one for the ages - a tour de force that ranks as one of the greatest of all time.

i can’t imagine anyone else as Vito but it’s the supporting roles I like watching. Sterling Hayden as McCluskey, Al Letteri as Sollozo, Martino as Johnny Fontaine, and so many others.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:26:23am

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is going to separate so many families.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:28:40am

re: #592 HappyWarrior

i can’t imagine anyone else as Vito but it’s the supporting roles I like watching. Sterling Hayden as McCluskey, Al Letteri as Sollozo, Martino as Johnny Fontaine, and so many others.

Personally, I consider Godfather I and II as the greatest American film ever made - better than Citizen Kane, IMHO - nothing against Orson Welles, and I certainly recognize that Citizen Kane is one of the greatest films ever made, pioneering in its storytelling…..I just think that Godfather I and II were better.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:29:50am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

This is going to separate so many families.

Again, Trump doesn’t care simply because he’s never had to face the consequences of his actions……that happens to other people, not him.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 8:30:54am

dailykos.com

“Periods for Abbot” goes viral in Texas, as women send used tampons and pads to his office.

Men (and some women) are concern trolling and getting shut down in the comments.

The protest is over Texas’s “foetal funerals” law (similar to Indiana’s under then-Governor Mike Pence).

The concern trolling falls into a couple categories:

- This is rude (crude, not the high road, forcing flunkies to open the mail, &c)
—- Dudes, we have a bunch of Dominionists, wingnuts, and outright fascists. Do you really think they’re going to pay attention to “nice?” They haven’t done that for decades.

- This is potentially illegal (biohazard, &c)
—- No it’s not. A used pad is dried out by the time it reaches Gov. Abbot, and if it were some sort of biohazard they wouldn’t be thrown away in every public restroom in the nation.

- It’s impolite to his staffers (or Abbot isn’t going to see them anyway)
—- Political staffers take flak from the public all the time. Part of the job. Abbot will most certainly hear about it, as his Facebook and Twitter accounts will be pilloried just like Pence’s were, as well as his office telephone line.

- Menstration shaming (it’s icky)
—- Really? I thought it was the conservatives that had problems understanding what lady parts do, not liberals. Get an education.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:31:37am

re: #594 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I consider Godfather I and II as the greatest American film ever made - better than Citizen Kane, IMHO - nothing against Orson Welles, and I certainly recognize that Citizen Kane is one of the greatest films ever made, pioneering in its storytelling…..I just think that Godfather I and II were better.

I appreciate Citizen Kane’s technical brillance but I wasn’t entertained by it like I was with the Godfather. The Godfather is both a well done movie and entertaining.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 8:31:47am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

This is going to separate so many families.

Another win for the pro lifers…

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:31:50am

re: #595 Dr Lizardo

Again, Trump doesn’t care simply because he’s never had to face the consequences of his actions……that happens to other people, not him.

Same thing with the 20% tariff.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:32:07am

re: #598 Eclectic Cyborg

Another win for the pro lifers…

Yep. Fucking hypocrites.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 8:32:45am

@bjhenderson3 you apparently don’t know that they must already approved by seven different agencies, AND the UN before they come here

— Matthew (@Space_ManMatt) January 28, 2017

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Nadal was born in the USA you moron. @bjhenderson3 @Space_ManMatt

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:33:50am

re: #601 Ace-o-aces

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You know who was American as Apple pie? Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 8:34:18am

re: #601 Ace-o-aces

“Irrelovent”. God, these people…

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:35:07am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

I appreciate Citizen Kane’s technical brillance but I wasn’t entertained by it like I was with the Godfather. The Godfather is both a well done movie and entertaining.

Same here. Godfather was the film that changed my ex-wife’s mind about American cinema; up until I showed her I and II she thought “it’s all just explosions and mindless action and space wizards and ridiculous fantasy.”

Heh.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:36:24am

re: #604 Dr Lizardo

Same here. Godfather was the film that changed my ex-wife’s mind about American cinema; up until I showed her I and II she thought “it’s all just explosions and mindless action and space wizards and ridiculous fantasy.”

Heh.

The 70’s is my favorite decade in cinema. So many great stories: Godfather, Dog Day, The Conversation, Taxi Driver, Cuckoo’s Nest, Deer Hunter, Day of the Jackal, and so many others.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 8:37:06am

re: #602 HappyWarrior

You know who was American as Apple pie? Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Christians, also.

Columbine, Aurora, Berkeley, Atlanta Centennial Park, Colorado Springs, name about any abortion clinic, African-American churches firebombed across Dixie, &c &c &c

But somehow detaining Christians until they can be properly vetted never seems to come into play here. Wonder why that is?

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:37:58am

re: #606 Anymouse

Christians, also.

Columbine, Aurora, Berkeley, Atlanta Centennial Park, Colorado Springs, name about any abortion clinic, African-American churches firebombed across Dixie, &c &c &c

But somehow detaining Christians until they can be properly vetted never seems to come into play here. Wonder why that is?

Yeah I remember Eric Rudolph too. I mean goddamn there’s so much wrong with this.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:38:28am

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Same thing with the 20% tariff.

Sure, for him that’s pocket change.

But for the average American? Even his voters? A 20% increase in prices would be potentially ruinous.

But Il Douche doesn’t need to worry about that - you won’t see him rubbing shoulders with the hoi-polloi at Wal-Mart, that’s for damned sure.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:39:13am

re: #608 Dr Lizardo

Sure, for him that’s pocket change.

But for the average American? Even his voters? A 20% increase in prices would be potentially ruinous.

But Il Douche doesn’t need to worry about that - you won’t see him rubbing shoulders with the hoi-polloi at Wal-Mart, that’s for damned sure.

Exactly. Fucking fuckwit.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:39:16am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

The 70’s is my favorite decade in cinema. So many great stories: Godfather, Dog Day, The Conversation, Taxi Driver, Cuckoo’s Nest, Deer Hunter, Day of the Jackal, and so many others.

Hell yeah; a veritable Golden Age of Cinema.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 8:40:44am

re: #610 Dr Lizardo

Hell yeah; a veritable Golden Age of Cinema.

Yeah what I like about so many of those movies is they don’t rely on big budgets but story telling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:42:55am

Today’s baby hippo update:

The four-day-old hippo that was born six weeks early is making progress toward standing. Full update here: https://t.co/RywHq2zIcl pic.twitter.com/2v93E6v6he

— Cincinnati Zoo (@CincinnatiZoo) January 28, 2017

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The four-day-old hippo that was born six weeks early is making progress toward standing. Full update here: cincinnatizoo.org

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:44:28am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Yeah what I like about so many of those movies is they don’t rely on big budgets but story telling.

It wasn’t until the mid to late 70s, when films like Jaws and Star Wars came along and shattered box-office records, that Hollywood changed direction. Even there, however, Jaws and Star Wars, while having great visual effects, also relied on story-telling and well-written characters with the actors who could pull it off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jan 28, 2017 • 8:45:14am

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Same thing with the 20% tariff.

He doesn’t pay for those taco bowls…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:46:23am

On way to JFK airport where refugees from Iraq are being detained under new Executive Order. These unconscionable actions cannot stand!

— Rep. Nydia Velazquez (@NydiaVelazquez) January 28, 2017

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Hecuba's daughter Jan 28, 2017 • 8:46:33am

re: #612 Backwoods_Sleuth

Today’s baby hippo update:

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She is making progress!! Very good news.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:47:46am

@rudepundit Nothing illegal about it, and when Progressive Courts are shutdown Progressives will have no where to go.

— Douglas Lindsey (@DugFmJamul) January 28, 2017

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If you’re ok with the president being able to “shutdown” courts, you don’t give a shit about the Constitution. Enjoy the reign of terror. https://t.co/DgAK4WAWVe

— The Rude Pundit (@rudepundit) January 28, 2017

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 8:47:48am

re: #613 Dr Lizardo

Back then, for the most part, large scale special effects were prohibitively expensive. You had to draw audiences in with story and atmosphere.

Now we have movies that look great but are completely vapid story wise.

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2017 • 8:48:54am

re: #612 Backwoods_Sleuth

Today’s baby hippo update:

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Columbus Zoo had an update on furry little polar bear cubs doing well too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:51:54am

so much bullshit MBF in this piece of crap article.

Donald Trump didn’t come up with the list of Muslim countries he wants to ban. Obama did. #MuslimBan https://t.co/oEclT1U0od

— Prerna Bakshi (@bprerna) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:53:53am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know what’s a good question? Let’s say Trump’s EO gets shot down by the SCOTUS. Then let’s say Trump ignores the SCOTUS ruling?

What happens then? At that point, Trump is no longer a President - he is a king, an autocrat, a dictator, whatever you wanna call it.

What’s the GOP gonna do?

That’s the tipping point, right there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 8:54:05am

Bibi needs to just STFU

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu endorses President Donald Trump’s plan to build a wall along the Mexican border. https://t.co/LHWEhGE4Mr

— The Associated Press (@AP) January 28, 2017

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Citizen K Jan 28, 2017 • 8:54:52am

This is what a monster looks like, folks.

Wake up, Republicans! You are in league with racists opposed to the cause of liberty. Your silence shall define you! pic.twitter.com/d6uSDs0WaC

— Evan McMullin (@Evan_McMullin) January 28, 2017

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Romantic Heretic Jan 28, 2017 • 8:57:08am

re: #558 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pretty sure they’re not, since they just legalized domestic violence.

Those slimy, weak dirtbags.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 8:57:21am

re: #623 Citizen K

Someone send that little bitch Spencer this:

1Y6OcEBScXmnGtrx9a3e0j8hRRXz3iM9+UwobihV3JY1NVkeAMiurkO/bgZHyJ76zf7EF+pRkPsDz/tL/2372jYOi6T+dMGrx/o9AIArBGh5H5ic0B+soZXjaafU9WoVihekb1jRS6Jn4ZRrVKUi8DJelMyfthggaiA77QKvhoP+UGtUhCnO+y6jRjT95od4X1xJqiQ8ape0wHXkp3qsg36QWHr3iO/SqJYZxsLC4MkBGF4yWmaxQ5pqkkR5kU7z9jTy4OLf344=

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Citizen K Jan 28, 2017 • 9:00:25am

Threaded for approval and perusal.

“Love Thy Neighbor” means nothing when you define ‘neighbor’ as only those sharing your tribe, your religion, your social status, 2/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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It means helping those in need, even those of different religion, different ethnicity, whatever ‘other’ defined, because it’s right. 3/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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Right now, I see a lot of Christians cheering the #MuslimBan. This casts you in with the priest who left the man for dead in the story. 5/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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Our love, our worry, our extended hand cannot be withdrawn because suspicion tempts us to demonize those on the bloody brink. 7/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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Closing our doors in such a spiteful way is a failure of all character, and I’ll be damned if I and others won’t call it out. 9/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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Speaking as a lapsed Catholic to anyone of any creed or non-creed: fight this. Because that’s what a real neighbor would do. #MuslimBan 10/

— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 28, 2017

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2017 • 9:02:25am

I have never been more embarrassed to be an American as I am today.

I didn’t watch the news at all yesterday. Today I woke and flipped on local NBC 4 and the very first thing I heard was “We don’t want them here.”

It came from this last night. Notice Trump has to look down and read his notes to say things as hard to remember as the wingnuts very worn “Radical Islamic Terrorists” and even to remember to say “out of the United States.”

As dunce Pence nods his head in agreement. Damn I hate these two.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:02:36am

Congressman (and Iraq war vet) Seth Moulton on Trump’s order on refugees: “I am ashamed that he is our president.” https://t.co/ylcFPyxlbu pic.twitter.com/g5xzuluEAY

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) January 27, 2017

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@sethmoulton @nytimes how will troops die from this ban?

— Christopher Jerry (@mvagusta77) January 28, 2017

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Translators, sources, local troops will stop working with us. See my statement and the quotes of other vets including the 101st LT @nytimes https://t.co/ZdmhAhmSsl

— Seth Moulton (@sethmoulton) January 28, 2017

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 28, 2017 • 9:05:07am

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Moebym Jan 28, 2017 • 9:07:48am

Sorry, couldn’t help it.

Instagram

By @dockisar. Edited by us (sorry, not sorry). Thoughts?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:09:36am

gaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

.@KellyannePolls: “I’m happy and I’m proud that we elected a president in @realDonaldTrump who actually made good on his promises.” pic.twitter.com/GgnaNvlw5R

— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 28, 2017

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Get used to it. @POTUS is a man of action and impact.
Promises made, promises kept.
Shock to the system.
And he’s just getting started https://t.co/AoUsZWClXt

— Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) January 28, 2017

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:09:53am

The Republicans met in Philadelphia for a rousing pep talk from the titular leader of their party and (very likely) a couple of tanker trucks full of bourbon. Anyway, under discussion was the party’s plan to replace the Affordable Care Act. This, The Washington Post informs us, is a plan not dissimilar to my plan to turn Milk Bones into gold ingots.
The recording reveals a GOP that appears to be filled with doubts about how to make good on a long-standing promise to get rid of Obamacare without explicit guidance from President Trump or his administration.

“Sorry, the president’s watching The O’Reilly Factor now and tweeting about actresses who hate him. Can someone else be of assistance?”

esquire.com

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 9:10:25am

Neo-Nazi @RichardBSpencer just retweeted the Prime Minister of Israel. Just #FYI pic.twitter.com/xf17PRsPxz

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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And why is Bibi involving himself in this anyway? If I were the Israeli ambassador to Mexico right now, I’d be on the phone to Jerusalem cursing the PM out right now.

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retired cynic Jan 28, 2017 • 9:10:35am

re: #626 Citizen K

Threaded for approval and perusal.

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That’s what I’m saying, right there!

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:10:36am

Meanwhile, this is happening:

Dozens of Turkish soldiers have sought asylum in Germany for fear of Ankara’s purges, according to German media. The soldiers previously served in NATO bases. The report comes ahead of Angela Merkel’s trip to Ankara.

The Turkish troopers were forced to give up their posts after the failed coup in July, news magazine “Der Spiegel” and public broadcaster ARD reported on Saturday. The suspension and the massive purges within Turkish military reportedly prompted around 40 soldiers, most of them officers, to apply for asylum in Germany. Last month, a US general said that 150 NATO officers lost their job. Most of them were recalled to Turkey, but some chose not to return.

According to the media, German authorities have failed to provide an official response to asylum seekers for several months.

“If I go back to Turkey, I risk being arrested or even tortured,” one of the officers told “Der Spiegel.”

dw.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:12:03am

House GOP source says exec order is supposed to have exemption for ppl in transit

Seems clear rollout allowed much confusion among agencies

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 28, 2017

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As if somehow the problem was just about “clarity for those in transit,” not the immoral monstrosity of the order itself. https://t.co/nQmXS7ORaz

— Bilge Ebiri (@BilgeEbiri) January 28, 2017

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 9:13:59am

The Latest: Official: Trump Ban Affects All Non-US Citizens
By The Associated Press
CAIRO — Jan 28, 2017, 11:54 AM ET
Excerpt:

The Latest on U.S. President Donald Trump and his ban on refugees from Muslim-majority countries (all times local):
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5:45 p.m.

Malala Yousafzai, shot in the head by the Pakistani Taliban in 2012 to stop her campaigning for girls’ education and co-winner of the 2014 Nobel peace prize, says she is heart-broken by U.S. President Donald Trump’s ban on refugees from entering the United States for four months.

The order Friday suspends a program that saw around 85,000 people displaced by war, political oppression, hunger and religious prejudice resettled in the U.S. last year. Trump indefinitely blocked people fleeing Syria’s civil war, and imposed a 90-day ban on U.S. entry from seven Muslim majority nations.

In a statement Saturday, Yousafzai implores Trump “not to turn his back on the world’s most defenseless children and families.”

Refugees and immigrants, she says, have “helped build your country.”

Trump’s mother was born in Scotland.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 9:14:34am

re: #633 Ace-o-aces

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And why is Bibi involving himself in this anyway? If I were the Israeli ambassador to Mexico right now, I’d be on the phone to Jerusalem cursing the PM out right now.

Because Bibi is as big of an asshole as Trump?

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:15:11am

re: #638 Timothy Watson

Because Bibi is as big of an asshole as Trump?

Bibi’s also under very serious investigation by the Israeli authorities - he needs a distraction.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 9:15:15am

re: #636 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Trump had two and a half months to figure how to do it but couldn’t?

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 9:16:36am

re: #640 Timothy Watson

And Trump had two and a half months to figure how to do it but couldn’t?

In Fedspeak, it’s called Coordination and Staffing. Coordination is for loser administrations.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 28, 2017 • 9:17:34am

That’s because you didn’t exist until 2017. You’re a coffee mug selling bot. @alicewonders101

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 28, 2017

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So why am I arguing with a bot?

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:17:45am

re: #640 Timothy Watson

And Trump had two and a half months to figure how to do it but couldn’t?

A fairly competent and reasonably intelligent eight-year-old could’ve figured out what to do in two and a half months. But - we’re talking about Trump, so………..

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:18:41am

Governor Inslee of Washington: If Trump’s border wall is anything like his inauguration assessment, it will be eight inches high.

WATCH >> WA @GovInslee says if President Trump’s border wall is anything like his inauguration crowd assessment… it’ll be 8 inches high: pic.twitter.com/arYFSnUXkE

— KING 5 News (@KING5Seattle) January 25, 2017

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:18:58am

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

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From now on she’s the Minister of Propaganda and Fox is the Trump Propaganda Network.

They’re not even pretending they intend to represent anyone in this country other than the deplorables.

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BigPapa Jan 28, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #623 Citizen K

Spencer’s ideology is ugly, weak, a deformity.

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mmmirele Jan 28, 2017 • 9:21:22am

re: #621 Dr Lizardo

You know what’s a good question? Let’s say Trump’s EO gets shot down by the SCOTUS. Then let’s say Trump ignores the SCOTUS ruling?

What happens then? At that point, Trump is no longer a President - he is a king, an autocrat, a dictator, whatever you wanna call it.

What’s the GOP gonna do?

That’s the tipping point, right there.

Even Nixon obeyed the court when it came to the tapes.

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Citizen K Jan 28, 2017 • 9:21:49am

re: #646 BigPapa

Spencer’s ideology is ugly, weak, a deformity.

The man himself is ugly, weak, a deformity. Maybe under his standards he should get the fuck out of the country too.

Holy fucking shit, what the fuck has happened to this fucking country.

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 28, 2017 • 9:23:09am

Huffpo nails the headline

Paged of course. ;-)

Huffpo direct

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:23:54am

Trump liars will all over the media in the next few days claiming ban has already saved 10,000 good white Christian American lives. No one will question that because it’s “official”.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:24:23am

re: #647 mmmirele

Even Nixon obeyed the court when it came to the tapes.

Yep, and like I said, it all comes to a head when/if Trump refuses to recognize a SCOTUS ruling that goes against him.

If he does, all bets are off.

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 9:25:07am

Gotta love the warm, friendly GOP atmosphere. Our esteemed governor took his mistress/employee/church lady to the Trump inauguration.

Bentley guests for inauguration include former aide Mason

dothaneagle.com

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:25:17am

re: #648 Citizen K

The man himself is ugly, weak, a deformity. Maybe under his standards he should get the fuck out of the country too.

Holy fucking shit, what the fuck has happened to this fucking country.

Trump has revealed what’s always been there, living in the sewers and under the rocks. The shock is that there are so many of them.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:26:06am

re: #651 Dr Lizardo

Yep, and like I said, it all comes to a head when/if Trump refuses to recognize a SCOTUS ruling that goes against him.

If he does, all bets are off.

I have no doubt which side the GOP will stand with.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:26:35am

re: #648 Citizen K

The man himself is ugly, weak, a deformity. Maybe under his standards he should get the fuck out of the country too.

Holy fucking shit, what the fuck has happened to this fucking country.

This has periodically happened in our history. Sometimes it hasn’t been pretty. Whiskey Rebellion, Slavery, Know Nothings, Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, Gilded Age, Civil Rights Movement, Feminist Movement, LGBT Movement, &c.

Those who wish to follow the dictate of a “more perfect Union” usually have to deal with the anchor of fear and bigotry tied around an ankle (sometimes two ankles, shackles, and batons).

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Birth Control Works Jan 28, 2017 • 9:27:40am

I need to design a t-shirt for a charity sale. Where can I go to get free or near free clip art —some of the licensing fees for such a purchase are cost-prohibitive.

With all the pictures I’ve taken, I don’t have one that will work.

HELP!

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:28:04am

re: #654 Skip Intro

I have no doubt which side the GOP will stand with.

At what point does Trump (or indeed, the GOP) become the domestic enemy they are sworn to defend against?

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Belafon Jan 28, 2017 • 9:28:34am

re: #655 Anymouse

This has periodically happened in our history. Sometimes it hasn’t been pretty. Whiskey Rebellion, Slavery, Know Nothings, Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, Gilded Age, Civil Rights Movement, Feminist Movement, LGBT Movement, &c.

Those who wish to follow the dictate of a “more perfect Union” usually have to deal with the anchor of fear and bigotry tied around an ankle (sometimes two ankles, shackles, and batons).

That’s why we have to stay angry, but use that anger to fight, not give up.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:29:47am

A friend who works at a top research university’s computer science department says they’ve lost 11 prospective Ph.D candidates to the ban.

— Terry Moran (@TerryMoran) January 28, 2017

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And they will become Canadians and start and work for Canadian businesses https://t.co/ixehJV3pAl

— Political Capital (@PoliticalLine) January 28, 2017

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Birth Control Works Jan 28, 2017 • 9:30:02am

re: #658 Belafon

That’s why we have to stay angry, but use that anger to fight, not give up.

unfortunately, the energy that comes from anger doesn’t last long and is destructive to the self.

I’ve resigned myself to a long, slow burn of righteous struggle.

with occasional bouts of all consuming rage.

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Birth Control Works Jan 28, 2017 • 9:30:35am

re: #658 Belafon

That’s why we have to stay angry, but use that anger to fight, not give up.

brain drain from the US —nice —make america great again!

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:31:32am

re: #661 Birth Control Works

brain drain from the US —nice —make america great again!

/

Pretty soon, all that’s gonna be left are the MAGAtards.

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 28, 2017 • 9:32:40am

re: #657 Dr Lizardo

At what point does Trump (or indeed, the GOP) become the domestic enemy they are sworn to defend against?

IMO, right where and proportionate to where & how they break the law.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:33:48am

.@Stonekettle Or that she was -worse-? I can Goddamn fucking guarantee she wouldn’t have us fighting w/ Mexico & denying refugees 1st week.

— Lisa (@_afangirlthing) January 28, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2017 • 9:39:31am

re: #652 Decatur Deb

Gotta love the warm, friendly GOP atmosphere. Our esteemed governor took his mistress/employee/church lady to the Trump inauguration.

Bentley guests for inauguration include former aide Mason

dothaneagle.com

For those of you playing along at home, Gov Bently was shitcanned by his wife after a staffer taught her how to leave a cell phone open in record mode in the Gov’s state-owned beach house.

The girlfriend is a Bently former church member, former Miss Alabama, former state contractor, and former state employee.

Her husband was the deacon at the Gov’s church where said Gov taught Sunday School. Hubby was and is the Alabama Director of Faith-based and Volunteer Services.

Bently took both of them and a couple others on a state plane to the inauguration.

We didn’t have the money to expand Medicaid.;

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:39:34am

re: #657 Dr Lizardo

At what point does Trump (or indeed, the GOP) become the domestic enemy they are sworn to defend against?

They already are

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:41:12am

re: #661 Birth Control Works

brain drain from the US —nice —make america great again!

/

It worked so well for Germany when Trump/Bannon’s model leader caused it there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:41:40am

When I met President Trump, I told him that there are 900 NYPD officers who are Muslim. And that not all of them were born here.

— Bill de Blasio (@BilldeBlasio) January 28, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jan 28, 2017 • 9:41:49am

re: #657 Dr Lizardo

At what point does Trump (or indeed, the GOP) become the domestic enemy they are sworn to defend against?

Imagine Trump orders federal marshals or police to enforce an order overturned in the courts. That’s when we need blocks of streets full of people between the marshals and the object of their (judicially overturned) interest. We may see an early example at DAPL. Hopefully not but it looks likely. The pieces are in place.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:43:00am

re: #668 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lucky for New Yorkers Trump owns property there or they’d be way up on the list of nuke targets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:44:20am

Here is a link to our complaint challenging President Trump’s Muslim ban The complaint is at: https://t.co/i6bH9pMZxA

— ACLU National (@ACLU) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:46:13am

This makes me want to throw up. pic.twitter.com/R7Gf9Yc5Js

— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:47:41am

I can think of few things more unAmerican than discriminating against families seeking refuge b/c of their religion. https://t.co/08JCA6ZOM6

— Elijah E. Cummings (@RepCummings) January 28, 2017

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America has always been at its best when we understand that diversity is our promise—not our problem. #MuslimBan

— Elijah E. Cummings (@RepCummings) January 28, 2017

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I urge President Trump to rescind his order immediately. #MuslimBan

— Elijah E. Cummings (@RepCummings) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:48:39am

re: #672 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re not alone in this, Senator. You have a bully pulpit in the Senate. Shame and Name Republicans.

Meanwhile, a viral campaign is on in Mexico to boycott the United States.

#Opinión “¡Consumidores al grito de guerra!”, escribe Alejandro Calvillo de @elpoderdelc https://t.co/ozG6mcNP76 pic.twitter.com/ys0lWX9JZz

— Sin Embargo (@SinEmbargoMX) January 25, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 9:48:55am

re: #625 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:49:51am

re: #669 Unshaken Defiance

Imagine Trump orders federal marshals or police to enforce an order overturned in the courts. That’s when we need blocks of streets full of people between the marshals and the object of their (judicially overturned) interest. We may see an early example at DAPL. Hopefully not but it looks likely. The pieces are in place.

If he tries to enforce a SCOTUS-overturned order, then he is clearly no longer a president but a dictator. There is no room in the Constitution of the United States of America for a dictator who presumes to overturn the rule of law.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:51:20am

re: #647 mmmirele

Even Nixon obeyed the court when it came to the tapes.

Nixon was a LOSER! SAD!

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 9:51:38am

re: #675 MsJ

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:51:58am

re: #675 MsJ

Ok

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:52:07am

Trump is on the phone with Putin right now — surrounded by Pence, Priebus, Bannon and Flynn (photo via Spicer) pic.twitter.com/xe4yH6viBv

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 9:52:20am

re: #642 Ace-o-aces

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So why am I arguing with a bot?

For everyone else reading it.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 9:52:52am

Trump’s order also apparently applies to permanent residents of those countries in his EO. If they leave the US, they too wouldn’t be able to return. Companies, including Google, are warning their employees who fall into this group, not to leave the US for they may be prevented from returning to the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:53:32am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

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look at the minions with their pads and pens taking notes.

Look familiar?

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 9:54:09am

Immigrants matter. Leo Szilard managed to flee to England from Nazi-contolled territory mere hours before borders were closed. In England he literally filed for a patent on nuclear fission, ie, the Bomb. It remained a state secret, of course. Then in America he conspired with Einstein to write an urgent letter to FDR.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:54:28am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wouldn’t recommend on Mr. Trump’s Twitter feed that the picture obviously shows he needs President Bannon, Vice-President Spicer, and all of Trump’s minders around to keep Mr. Trump in line.

That might upset Mr. Trump. Especially if hundreds sent it to him. Might make him do something rash like fire Bannon and Spicer.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:55:21am

re: #673 Backwoods_Sleuth

I look forward to seeing Trump’s name stripped from his hotels and golf courses in Muslim countries.

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 9:55:56am

re: #642 Ace-o-aces

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So why am I arguing with a bot?

Because she have great avi…… I get it.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:02am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where’s Ivanka?

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electrotek Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:20am

The equivalent of a Trump supporter in Pakistan

It’s Pakistan that gives enormous freedom to ppl like #SalmanHaider if was in India Hindus had gottten his ass handed to him.

— Mehreen Sibtain (@Mehreen_Sibtain) January 28, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:39am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Brannon can’t be bothered to wear a tie while in the Oval Office or find a pair of pants that aren’t completely wrinkled?

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:54am

re: #686 Skip Intro

I look forward to seeing Trump’s name stripped from his hotels and golf courses in Muslim countries.

That might give him a pretext for war.

I’m sure President Bannon would love that.

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 9:57:10am

re: #688 Skip Intro

Somewhere warm.

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 9:58:12am

re: #679 Anymouse

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 9:58:38am

Ted Cruz is pushing a bill to designate CAIR, the civil rights org fighting Muslim ban, as a terror affiliate group https://t.co/Lems1WFPhe

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:46am

Today, we remember the crew of the Space Shuttle Challenger, 31 years later. #NeverForget pic.twitter.com/OhshQsFRfl

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2017

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Grandson of immigrants. Daughter of immigrants. Science Teacher. Stood up to segregation at 9 years old

There’s some irony in this tweet https://t.co/O6Xz4Bmqd2

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:55am

re: #694 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s actually from the last Congress, has it been refiled for this Congress?

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2017 • 10:00:25am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Andrew fucking Jackson on the wall.

God, President Bannon is such a fucking asshole.

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:00:39am

re: #691 Anymouse

That might give him a pretext for war.

I’m sure President Bannon would love that.

Love to see the Congress justify war over that.

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 10:01:43am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

The 70’s is my favorite decade in cinema. So many great stories: Godfather, Dog Day, The Conversation, Taxi Driver, Cuckoo’s Nest, Deer Hunter, Day of the Jackal, and so many others.

Don’t forget King of Comedy.

‘The King of Comedy’ | Critics’ Picks | The New York Times

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:01:47am

re: #692 Dave In Austin

Somewhere warm.

I thought she’d be sitting on his lap while he talked.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:01:50am

re: #698 Skip Intro

Love to see the Congress justify war over that.

Well, President Bush did it over aluminium tubes and alleged yellowcake. Congress went with it then.

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2017 • 10:02:11am

re: #680 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m particularly struck by the yuge stacks of papers and folders on the yam’s desk, and would bet good money they are either blank sheets of paper or documents that he has not read and will not ever read. (He seems to think a desk with a lot of papers on it is a sign that he’s a do-something guy; when my desk is covered with papers, I see it as a sign that I need to clean my office.)

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:03:00am

re: #701 Anymouse

Well, President Bush did it over aluminium tubes and alleged yellowcake. Congress went with it then.

I don’t doubt they would, I’d just like to see them do it because his name was removed from some hotels and golf courses.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 10:03:16am

re: #698 Skip Intro

Love to see the Congress justify war over that.

Conservatives will go back to the pre-Iraq War talking point “it isn’t Congress’s job to declare war”.

(Seriously, Hannity made that claim for like a year.)

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 10:04:03am

I just got up. WTFITS?? Are we at this stage and how come a Fed Judge hasn’t put the kibosh on it yet?

LATEST: Rep. Jerry Nadler tweets Hameed Darweesh, detained at JFK in wake of Pres. Trump immigration order, has been released. pic.twitter.com/zrhZVKPOTY

— ABC News (@ABC) January 28, 2017

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:04:22am

re: #702 BeachDem

Somebody must have convinced him not to use piles of Time magazines with his picture on the cover.

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 10:06:23am

re: #685 Anymouse

I wouldn’t recommend on Mr. Trump’s Twitter feed that the picture obviously shows he needs President Bannon, Vice-President Spicer, and all of Trump’s minders around to keep Mr. Trump in line.

That might upset Mr. Trump. Especially if hundreds sent it to him. Might make him do something rash like fire Bannon and Spicer.

According to @RoguePOTUSStaff Trump didn’t want it.

VP Pence to sit in on POTUS/Putin phone call tomorrow. POTUS doesn’t like idea, but gave in to pressure from #UnholyTrinity .

— Rogue POTUS Staff (@RoguePOTUSStaff) January 28, 2017

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UnholyTrinity is Priebus, Pence and Ryan.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:06:39am

re: #704 Timothy Watson

Conservatives will go back to the pre-Iraq War talking point “it isn’t Congress’s job to declare war”.

(Seriously, Hannity made that claim for like a year.)

Authorisation for the Use of Military Force.

“We didn’t tell him to go to war, we said he could use American forces to protect American interests.”

Trump’s properties would fit that definition, at least to Trump and his cabal.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 10:07:19am

re: #705 Dave In Austin

I just got up. WTFITS?? Are we at this stage and how come a Fed Judge hasn’t put the kibosh on it yet?

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Because the courts are slow and take years to settle issues like this?

Seriously, guys, read Chief Justice Rehnquist’s All the Laws but One: Civil Liberties in Wartime.

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lawhawk Jan 28, 2017 • 10:07:54am

Iran says to ban U.S. visitors in retaliation to Trump move https://t.co/UlIPTCqqAd

— Parisa Hafezi (@PHREUTERS) January 28, 2017

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Yeah, Trump probably sees this as a bonus. He and his cronies are itching for the clash of civilizations.

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Belafon Jan 28, 2017 • 10:08:30am

re: #676 Dr Lizardo

That would be the definition of an impeachable offense.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 10:09:07am

re: #708 Anymouse

Authorisation for the Use of Military Force.

“We didn’t tell him to go to war, we said he could use American forces to protect American interests.”

Trump’s properties would fit that definition, at least to Trump and his cabal.

Hannity claimed that Bush didn’t even need a separate AUMF for Iraq. That Bush could use UN resolutions and the post-9/11 AUMF to invade and Congress shouldn’t be sticking their noses into the matter.

But, you know, constitutional conservatives and whatnot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:09:18am

During call with Mexican president, Trump tasked Jared Kushner with managing the dispute between the two countries https://t.co/8TevnKcDdt

— Julie Pace (@jpaceDC) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:09:53am

re: #707 MsJ

According to @RoguePOTUSStaff Trump didn’t want it.

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UnholyTrinity is Priebus, Pence and Ryan.

It would be a shame if he were reminded a thousand times today on his Twitter feed that he didn’t want that, but was forced into it by President Bannon.

Mr. Trump might get upset and fire his staff. That would be bad for his staff (and for him).

I am convinced since Trump follows every last thing about himself on Twitter (or someone is doing it for him), the way to go is to attack him right in the heart of his obsession.

Karl Rove used to argue attacking the strongest point. For Mr. Trump that is his image of a tough negotiator who is loved by everyone.

Constantly remind him on Twitter he is being manipulated, controlled, pushed by his lessers.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:12:22am

Weirdly, the people most determined to convince me of the soundness of a US Muslim ban are … Canadian.

Seriously, WTF?

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2017 • 10:12:40am

re: #702 BeachDem

Looks like newspapers stacked at the nearest corner. I thought he didn’t care about the failing media?

He’s also clearly never done any serious paperwork in his life. Any legal worker knows that a five-inch pile of folders and paper is a useless mess, not a reference tool.

Even allowing for government bureaucracy, his “best people” should be digesting and sorting that stuff for him… Unless of course, none of them actually know the law.

Which is something I’ve been wondering about - who’s writing the EOs? Bannon isn’t an attorney as far as I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:13:06am

Canada’s immigration minister was a refugee from Somalia. It is not currently clear if he can cross the US border. https://t.co/Bx9M3TVauS

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 28, 2017

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2017 • 10:14:00am

re: #716 Pawn of the Oppressor

Which is something I’ve been wondering about - who’s writing the EOs? Bannon isn’t an attorney as far as I know.

Has he selected anyone to be White House Counsel?

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 10:14:36am

re: #699 makeitstop

Don’t forget King of Comedy.

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Technically an 80s movie, but very much in the vein of those great 70s movies, IMO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:14:55am

1939: Dear Jews, sorry you’re being murdered in your own countries but you can’t come here

1945: Never again!

2016: Dear Muslims…

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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Boy, this post turned out to be a great way to find people on Twitter to block. https://t.co/AC20XdofH0

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 28, 2017

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2017 • 10:15:17am

And while the world burns, my senators and reps are tweeting about important things:

My rep’s latest tweet was kvelling about the anti-choice march (with pictures!!)

One of my senators (Lindsey Graham) was going on about some chamber dinner he attended (with pictures!!)

The other (Tim Scott) was thrilled about a student leadership conference he attended last night (with pictures!!)

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 10:16:31am

re: #718 Timothy Watson

Has he selected anyone to be White House Counsel?

Don McGhan, Libertarian campaign finance lawyer

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:17:10am

re: #718 Timothy Watson

Has he selected anyone to be White House Counsel?

Yes..
washingtonpost.com

Ellen L. Weintraub is a member of the Federal Election Commission.

The White House counsel operates out of the public eye but has the president’s ear. In the Trump administration, with the unprecedented multiplicity of conflict-of-interest challenges facing the businessman-president, the job will take on added importance. As a Democratic commissioner at the Federal Election Commission, I served five years alongside Donald F. McGahn, President-elect Donald Trump’s choice for the post. My experience may be instructive — and disquieting.

The FEC’s fundamental mission is to fight corruption by shining a light on money in politics, empowering citizens to assess their elected officials’ potential conflicts of interest. From the moment he walked in the door in 2008, McGahn made no secret of his disdain for the agency, its mission and the commission staff.

At the six-member FEC, McGahn corralled his two fellow Republicans into a rigid voting bloc, promoting gridlock and delay. In decision after decision, he ensured that the money flooding our political system grew ever murkier and the connections between donors and candidates harder to trace.

(more at the link)

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 10:17:21am

Oscar nominee Asghar Farhadi has been banned from entry into the U.S. to attend the ceremony in Feb. This is heartbreaking and unacceptable. pic.twitter.com/2PrwZWyBdw

— Tribeca (@Tribeca) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 10:18:32am

re: #716 Pawn of the Oppressor

Looks like newspapers stacked at the nearest corner. I thought he didn’t care about the failing media?

He’s also clearly never done any serious paperwork in his life. Any legal worker knows that a five-inch pile of folders and paper is a useless mess, not a reference tool.

Even allowing for government bureaucracy, his “best people” should be digesting and sorting that stuff for him… Unless of course, none of them actually know the law.

Which is something I’ve been wondering about - who’s writing the EOs? Bannon isn’t an attorney as far as I know.

All that shit is nothing more than props. Just like the press conference with file folder after file folder stuffed with blank paper. It is to make them look like they are working. Nothing more than props for trumps reality show presidency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:21:33am

US government confirms Trump’s order bans entry by permanent residents (green card holders): https://t.co/0Rq8nrZUGF pic.twitter.com/rf4lOIXbGm

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 28, 2017

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“so-called green cards”…wth does that even mean?
don’t answer…it’s a rhetorical question.

good grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:23:11am

re: #726 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone said in an hour, “actually, green card holders are fine.” Trump admin has left so much confusion here.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 28, 2017

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 10:24:22am

It’s kinda like when we see the back of Vader’s actual head in Empire. @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/7s6TMaTlxW

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 28, 2017

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And to think, at one time those golden locks were harvested from somewhere on his lower back. https://t.co/ypmMr89d8B

— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:24:41am

re: #726 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe they meant “so-called” because they’re not actually green. “Green card” is just a slang term, a verbal shorthand for a permanent resident alien visa.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:24:47am

This from @latimes colleague, an Iraqi translator, who literally kept me safe. I am ashamed today. @ProPublica pic.twitter.com/bzMpPJLn7Q

— T. Christian Miller (@txtianmiller) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:25:13am

re: #727 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPDATE: Green card holders from seven countries in Trump’s ban have to be cleared in to U.S. on case-by-case basis - administration official

— Reuters Politics (@ReutersPolitics) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:25:35am

It’s kinda like when we see the back of Vader’s actual head in Empire. @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/7s6TMaTlxW

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) January 28, 2017

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And to think, at one time those golden locks were harvested from somewhere on his lower back. https://t.co/ypmMr89d8B

— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:25:37am

Keep it klassy Kristians:

Hours after Trump signs #MuslimBan, Texas mosque goes up in flames https://t.co/4LChBwPRyL pic.twitter.com/bdtGv6d8ma

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) January 28, 2017

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I’m not sure which I am more ashamed of right now, America or Texas and I live in this damn state. #MuslimBan #Trump #Russia #Putin https://t.co/vwbArcscrd

— TOWANDA!!! (@TexasMeterMaid) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:27:18am

re: #733 Anymouse

Keep it klassy Kristians:

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Looks like someone jumped the gun on the upcoming Kristallnacht.

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 10:29:40am

re: #622 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bibi needs to just STFU

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Shocker, Bibi’s racist against Latinos too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:30:09am

As he speaks to Putin, Trump has copies of his Time Person of the Year cover sitting in the middle of the Resolute desk. pic.twitter.com/b8J0LDI00A

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:32:17am

To my colleagues: don’t ever again lecture me on American moral leadership if you chose to be silent today. pic.twitter.com/XW7sjmCcXh

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) January 28, 2017

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#MuslimBan #ResistTrump #speakout https://t.co/wtMNCEU04l

— Traci Patterson (@xwp615) January 28, 2017

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HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2017 • 10:32:18am

re: #736 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So humble. //

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allegro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:32:35am

re: #724 Dave In Austin

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The speeches going on at the Oscars this year will be worth watching. It will take Trump weeks and hundreds of tweets to rage about the unfairness of those commies. Good.

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Tigger2 Jan 28, 2017 • 10:33:27am

As of today it is US policy to use refugees’ religion as a litmus test between life and death. US was literally founded to oppose that.

— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:36:34am

Hey Shaun, you know who the candidate was that wouldn’t have done this? She’s the one you bashed endlessly you hypocrite.

I am told that religious tests are indeed now being performed at our airports to determine Muslims from Christians from the 7 nations.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) January 28, 2017

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And this is how liberty dies. #MuslimBan https://t.co/voe0rS41KF

— Maria (@mariaaq_) January 28, 2017

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allegro Jan 28, 2017 • 10:41:48am

So when I left to make a quick grocery run I had about $30 in cash on me. Came home with 0 though I used a debit card to pay for the nosh. Gave the cash away to the street people hanging on the corners and bought a guy sitting outside the grocery store a sandwich. In tears by the time I got home.

I feel so damn helpless! So much wrong, horrific wrong, happening and all we can do is… too little. My heart is fucking breaking.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 28, 2017 • 10:42:09am

re: #662 Dr Lizardo

Pretty soon, all that’s gonna be left are the MAGAtards.

Which would then constitute the permanent GOP majority.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:45:24am

re: #742 allegro

So when I left to make a quick grocery run I had about $30 in cash on me. Came home with 0 though I used a debit card to pay for the nosh. Gave the cash away to the street people hanging on the corners and bought a guy sitting outside the grocery store a sandwich. In tears by the time I got home.

I feel so damn helpless! So much wrong, horrific wrong, happening and all we can do is… too little. My hearty is fucking breaking.

I hate to say it, but Il Douche is just getting warmed up. It’s gonna be the longest four in the history of the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:46:54am

US government confirms Trump’s order bans entry by permanent residents (green card holders): https://t.co/0Rq8nrZUGF pic.twitter.com/rf4lOIXbGm

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 28, 2017

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There is a body that can modify, correct or overrule foolish or overly broad executive orders. It’s called the United States Congress. https://t.co/6WBm5fCkEM

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 28, 2017

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Unfortunately it is in the hands of people you have supported for years who are showing they’re craven & cowardly opportunists. https://t.co/IByvvHfQVd

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) January 28, 2017

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2017 • 10:47:16am

re: #741 Anymouse

I want a little more info. Does he mean they’re literally asking people’s religion in line? What does he mean?

I was thinking I needed to renew my passport before BannonCo requires that it has religion stamped on it, like we were fucking Saudi Arabia or something.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:48:29am

For the lawyers filing cases in court over Mr. Trump’s constitutional issues, I believe that a direct violation of the I Amendment constitutes a direct violation of his Oath of Office.

I would not be surprised in countries not affected by President Bannon’s ban, we are going to see things like Trump’s property expropriated by the state.

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 10:48:53am

re: #743 Feline Fearless Leader

Which would then constitute the permanent GOP majority.

Until the GOP policies hit them. Then…well, they’re fucked.

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 10:50:35am

re: #745 Backwoods_Sleuth

@BillKristol Don’t you have a Hillary email hate post to type up? Maybe Benghazi? You OWN this shit. You created it. Congratulations.

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:52:51am

re: #747 Anymouse

For the lawyers filing cases in court over Mr. Trump’s constitutional issues, I believe that a direct violation of the I Amendment constitutes a direct violation of his Oath of Office.

I would not be surprised in countries not affected by President Bannon’s ban, we are going to see things like Trump’s property expropriated by the state.

From what I’m reading, Turkey has begun voicing its displeasure at this move by Trump. And he has a hotel there, in Istanbul, IIRC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 10:55:48am

Hey @PressSec, any read-out of Trump’s chat w/ Putin? Be interesting to know what Trump said to him about Russian hacking of 2016 campaign.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) January 28, 2017

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You know the answer, David. There’s no readout of what Russian marionette @realDonaldTrump said since Putin tells him to shut up and listen https://t.co/s28HFFdtM7

— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:55:56am

Well, even FOX News can’t ignore it, and they are reporting it straight so far.
foxnews.com

I didn’t look at the comments. FOX comments aren’t much different than Fascist Republic.

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Dave In Austin Jan 28, 2017 • 10:57:03am

Joy’s WTF Face……. This must have been precious.

Anti-choice lady: IUD’s and birth control pills should be illegal.
Joy:
😂😂😂😂😂😂#AMJoy pic.twitter.com/n3y0UFI6uX

— #TheResistance (@AynRandPaulRyan) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 10:58:29am

re: #735 HappyWarrior

Shocker, Bibi’s racist against Latinos too.

I would think that it’s more of “see our wall is justified, our ally is building one too.”

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 10:58:58am

re: #751 Backwoods_Sleuth

When Putin wants Trump to talk, he sticks his hand up Trump’s ass and works his mouth like a puppet.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:01:28am

And the ~~conservatives~~ fascists are now all over the #Muslimban hashtag.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:03:19am

You cowardly @SenateGOP & @HouseGOP Republicans not speaking up against the #MuslimBan are showing how truly un-American you are.

— Lance Rubin (@lancerubinparty) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:08:01am

So far Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan have ceded all power to Trump.

— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:09:34am

Shocking, right?

SFLA Pres. Kristen Hawkins #ProLife wants IUD and The Pill contraception to be illegal. Wow pic.twitter.com/UASFdEIhVH #amjoy #wiunion #mapoli

— #mapoli, Vote #NoOn2 (@RWwatchMA) January 28, 2017

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:10:54am

Microsoft: ‘We share the concerns’ over Trump’s immigration order and are giving employees legal help https://t.co/yiUCms8iSK

— Business Insider (@businessinsider) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:11:51am

Well, my reps office is not answering his phone. Voice mail full. Quelle Surprise

That probably means even here in my uber-red district he is getting a whole lot of earful, and is a coward.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:14:46am

Real wingnut.

#MuslimBan Phony…all this nonsense on TV… A set up… Planted… Like everything the left does.

— TrumpNation (@nurserenee1) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:14:49am

re: #761 Anymouse

Well, my reps office is not answering his phone. Voice mail full. Quelle Surprise

That probably means even here in my uber-red district he is getting a whole lot of earful, and is a coward.

I glanced over at the Trump subreddit, and there’s some unhappiness being voiced, and these are hardcore Cheeto Mussolini fanboys. Basically, this isn’t voted what we for, many of these people are green-card holders, etc.

Except it is what they voted for. Did they think Trump was just trolling or something? Saying it for the lulz?

Bunch of fucking morons, one and all

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:15:12am

re: #755 Dr Lizardo

When Putin wants Trump to talk, he sticks his hand up Trump’s ass and works his mouth like a puppet.

I figure any official “read out” will come from ~~Trump’s Moscow branch office~~ Putin…

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Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2017 • 11:16:05am

Just called my congressman. Left message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:16:44am

re: #762 Anymouse

Real wingnut.

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odds are she is neither a nurse nor a renee…

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lizardofid Jan 28, 2017 • 11:19:01am

re: #755 Dr Lizardo

When Putin wants Trump to talk, he sticks his hand up Trump’s ass and works his mouth like a puppet.

up ding for the Samuel L Jackson reference.

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:20:59am

“Detainees are being asked their views on Trump.”

Unbelievable.#MuslimBan

— Zanti Misfit (@ZantiMisft) January 28, 2017

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unproven innocence Jan 28, 2017 • 11:21:06am

re: #767 lizardofid

up ding for the Samuel L Jackson reference.

I thought it was HowardHandUpMe, from Dinosaurs.

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 11:21:18am

re: #763 Dr Lizardo

I glanced over at the Trump subreddit, and there’s some unhappiness being voiced, and these are hardcore Cheeto Mussolini fanboys. Basically, this isn’t voted what we for, many of these people are green-card holders, etc.

Except it is what they voted for. Did they think Trump was just trolling or something? Saying it for the lulz?

Bunch of fucking morons, one and all

I will shed a tear for their disillusion…

Wait. No, I won’t. Let them get on line with everybody else.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:21:44am

re: #767 lizardofid

up ding for the Samuel L Jackson reference.

Last Wednesday, I showed a group of my advanced speakers the “Darth L. Jackson” vid. They loved it.

Darth L. Jackson

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:21:48am

The Conservative motto is “Destroy what you hate, Hate what you fear, Fear what you don’t know, and Know as little as possible”, apparently.

— Spry Guy (@SpryGuy) March 12, 2016

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 11:22:46am

re: #768 MsJ

“Detainees are being asked their views on Trump.”

Dolt45’s idea of a ‘religious test.’

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MsJ Jan 28, 2017 • 11:23:17am

I am going to go play with my dogs. I need a little joy. BBL

Trump order begins by invoking 9/11 three times

9/11 hijackers were from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE & Lebanon

None of those countries banned pic.twitter.com/WaRyiBZ1S0

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) January 28, 2017

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Amory Blaine Jan 28, 2017 • 11:23:57am

re: #656 Birth Control Works

Are the photos too complex for a graphic tee? Try simplifying with photoshop or something. (Just throwing it out there)

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:24:03am

re: #773 makeitstop

Dolt45’s idea of a ‘religious test.’

Well, he is the “God Emperor”, after all. ////

*spit*

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allegro Jan 28, 2017 • 11:24:14am

Getting a germ of an idea… since I quite believe the power is where the money is I’m thinking about getting a list of CEOs, Board Chairs, etc. of Fortune 500 companies and going on a letter writing campaign to encourage them to dry up the money going to any politician who supports/votes in favor of this crap. Not to threaten a boycott but to make a case for this destruction as being real bad for their businesses.

Needs refinement. Suggestions welcome.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:26:01am

re: #774 MsJ

To the best of my recollection, there was nothing in their visa applications that raised red flags - that didn’t happen until they got here when some of them started acting hinky.

Now I could be remembering incorrectly, and if so, I apologize.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:28:58am

re: #778 Dr Lizardo

To the best of my recollection, there was nothing in their visa applications that raised red flags - that didn’t happen until they got here when some of them started acting hinky.

Now I could be remembering incorrectly, and if so, I apologize.

I believe the point is that, despite invoking 9/11 three times in the EO, none of the 9/11 terrorists came from the countries on trump’s ban list.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:31:45am

re: #779 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe the point is that, despite invoking 9/11 three times in the EO, none of the 9/11 terrorists came from the countries on trump’s ban list.

Exactly. They were Saudis, Egyptians, Lebanese and UAE. Even if Trump’s ban had been in effect prior to 9/11/01, it would’ve changed nothing.

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2017 • 11:32:05am

re: #779 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe the point is that, despite invoking 9/11 three times in the EO, none of the 9/11 terrorists came from the countries on trump’s ban list.

Would the fact that he may have developments or plans for same in some of those countries have anything to do with it?

He wouldn’t want to stop his three lovely kids from secretly conducting business for the TRUMP company he no longer has interest in would he?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:32:45am

Meet Kentucky’s Wenyen Gabriel, a refugee from Sudan. #BBN, you can’t cheer for him and support Trump’s #MuslimBan. https://t.co/b0xFnkx3Cy pic.twitter.com/RpbW3hbJRp

— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) January 28, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:33:50am

re: #778 Dr Lizardo

To the best of my recollection, there was nothing in their visa applications that raised red flags - that didn’t happen until they got here when some of them started acting hinky.

Now I could be remembering incorrectly, and if so, I apologize.

My mistake - a couple of them were on watch lists, but that information never made it to the FBI.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:36:31am

Challenging the U.S., Moscow Pushes Into Afghanistan

KABUL—Russia is making fresh inroads into Afghanistan that could complicate U.S. efforts to strengthen the fragile Kabul government, stamp out the resilient Taliban insurgency and end America’s longest war.

Moscow last month disclosed details of contacts with the Taliban, saying that it is sharing information and cooperating with the radical movement on strategy to fight the local affiliate of Islamic State, which has gained a foothold in eastern Nangarhar province, on the border with Pakistan.

Moscow’s ambassador to Afghanistan, Alexander Mantytskiy, and other Russian officials said the cooperation with the Taliban didn’t include supplying it with money or materiel. Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid described the relationship as “just political.”

obviously, nothing to see here…move along…

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Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2017 • 11:36:37am

This is JFK right now. We need everybody here ASAP. The more folks we have, the more folks we can get released. #NoBanNoWall #MuslimBan pic.twitter.com/mHX1hwiND3

— Farhad (@Yahktoe) January 28, 2017

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Birth Control Works Jan 28, 2017 • 11:40:21am

re: #775 Amory Blaine

Are the photos too complex for a graphic tee? Try simplifying with photoshop or something. (Just throwing it out there)

Yeah, I know, still I feel like it is cheating …

tanks tho

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:42:20am

Would it kill Bannon to dress like an adult in the Oval Office? pic.twitter.com/71t9vfT05M

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 28, 2017

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If he doesn’t wear the jeans he has no place to keep the XXXXL flask https://t.co/jtDxYKElrq

— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:43:08am

This was my team. We fought together in Iraq. Guess the two most critical members. Now guess which two are no longer welcome in the U.S. pic.twitter.com/VD5Hy8arvA

— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) January 28, 2017

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:46:29am

re: #763 Dr Lizardo

I glanced over at the Trump subreddit, and there’s some unhappiness being voiced, and these are hardcore Cheeto Mussolini fanboys. Basically, this isn’t voted what we for, many of these people are green-card holders, etc.

Except it is what they voted for. Did they think Trump was just trolling or something? Saying it for the lulz?

Bunch of fucking morons, one and all

Sent to my E-mail stable just now:

So, bigoted Nazi staffer Steve Bannon’s executive order (Trump didn’t write this) banning Muslims from the countries where Trump doesn’t own property (including military, refugees, veterans, green card holders, tourists) went in force in the middle of the night. I don’t ever want to hear the Republican Party claim they are pro-military, pro-Constitution, the party of family values, the party of patriotism, or pro-life ever again. They are none of those.

The Republican Party has ceded all pretence to being anything but fascists.

Christians have ceded any alleged moral high ground they ever claimed over atheists and agnostics. They overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Trump. They supported fascism.

“But, but E-mails!!! Goldman Sachs speech!!!!” Both parties are just the same!!!!

No. Hillary Clinton would not have ordered TSA to grab peoples’ cell phones and check their Facebook accounts to determine what their religious faith is. She would not have ordered American citizens to be denied entry into the country. They would not be asking questions of travellers if “they support Trump.” Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be inciting a trade war with Mexico and building a trillion dollar monument to her ego on the Mexican border (at our expense).

Bannon was a Goldman Sachs executive. Then he turned into the owner of the fascist swill Website known as breitbart (dot) com.

My family fought and died against fascism in WW2. I will not permit bigots like Rep. Steve King (R-IA4) or Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) ram their fascist ideas into the constitution I affirmed I would uphold and defend all my adult life, in the military and civilian politics.

Yup, my representative’s (Adrian Smith-R-NE3) voice mail is full. Quelle Surprise. Coward.

Those living in so-called “safe states” where they could “vote their conscience” (Jill Stein, who sat across a table with Vladmir Putin and General Michael Flynn to celebrate the birthday of Russia’s propaganda outlet RT, shown on her own Website during her scampaign) could still have added to the landslide to declare the minority-president even more illegitimate. “But but E-mails!!!” Benghazi! Every advisor to Trump right now is either using a GOP server or Gmail. (They were all caught with those attached to their Twitter accounts.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:46:42am

re: #781 ObserverArt

yep

The left is freaking out about #Trump’s temporary ban on refugees from countries that sponsor terror. This makes NO sense. Safety first.

— Trish Regan (@trish_regan) January 28, 2017

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But states like Saudi Arabia, where the 9/11 terrorists came from, get a pass because Trump has business there. https://t.co/1Glb4Hwzsg

— Bruce Bartlett (@BruceBartlett) January 28, 2017

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electrotek Jan 28, 2017 • 11:46:46am

The funniest part about the hashtag #MuslimBan is that someone who’s Chaldean could be emigrating too & Trump would STILL call them Muslim.

— Meg ⚓⛵ (@_Megadelic) January 28, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:49:53am

Paul Ryan says #MuslimBan does not target Muslims. Yet Muslims are feeling all the impact.

— John Stoehr (@johnastoehr) January 28, 2017

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wrenchwench Jan 28, 2017 • 11:51:01am

I know the world is being ripped apart at the seams right now, but I’ve been working anyway. I just spent an hour with a woman who wanted to talk about her old bike and the new one her boyfriend is talking her into (which he would order from me) and halfway through, she told me who she is, so we talked about her daughter who died in a plane crash three years ago whom she had bought a bike for from me more than ten years ago, for about 20 minutes, I gave her a hug, and we got back to the bikes.

So life goes on, for most of us.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:51:17am

re: #792 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Don’t believe your Ryan eyes.” They’re not even pretending to be gaslighting.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:51:44am

re: #793 wrenchwench

I know the world is being ripped apart at the seams right now, but I’ve been working anyway. I just spent an hour with a woman who wanted to talk about her old bike and the new one her boyfriend is talking her into (which he would order from me) and halfway through, she told me who she is, so we talked about her daughter who died in a plane crash three years ago whom she had bought a bike for from me more than ten years ago, for about 20 minutes, I gave her a hug, and we got back to the bikes.

So life goes on, for most of us.

For now.

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Dr Lizardo Jan 28, 2017 • 11:53:18am

re: #789 Anymouse

Yep. “But her e-mails!”

That can be the epitaph on America’s tombstone.

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Joe Bacon Jan 28, 2017 • 11:55:11am

re: #777 allegro

Getting a germ of an idea… since I quite believe the power is where the money is I’m thinking about getting a list of CEOs, Board Chairs, etc. of Fortune 500 companies and going on a letter writing campaign to encourage them to dry up the money going to any politician who supports/votes in favor of this crap. Not to threaten a boycott but to make a case for this destruction as being real bad for their businesses.

Needs refinement. Suggestions welcome.

They won’t lift a finger because Trump will give them that nice big juicy tax cut.

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2017 • 11:56:40am

re: #790 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

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From 1975 through 2015, the annual chance that an American would be murdered in a terrorist attack carried out by a foreign-born terrorist was 1 in 3,609,709. Foreigners on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks, whereas those on other tourist visas killed 1 in 3.9 million a year. The chance that an American would be killed in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee was 1 in 3.64 billion a year. …

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 11:59:15am

re: #797 Joe Bacon

They won’t lift a finger because Trump will give them that nice big juicy tax cut.

Juicy tax cuts don’t mean a think if your country turns into a war zone. I don’t think companies in Syria would be big on that, for example.

Companies also tend to value profit over tax cuts. See the very successful boycott Flush Rush.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 11:59:26am

re: #798 BeachDem

saw that earlier today and had to blink a lot when I saw it came from Cato

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2017 • 12:00:55pm

re: #800 Backwoods_Sleuth

saw that earlier today and had to blink a lot when I saw it came from Cato

I checked out a lot of bg on the guy who wrote the report before posting it—he seems to be very well-respected across the board, even if he is a Cato guy.

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Anymouse Jan 28, 2017 • 12:01:25pm

re: #800 Backwoods_Sleuth

saw that earlier today and had to blink a lot when I saw it came from Cato

Has facts. GOP won’t care.

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makeitstop Jan 28, 2017 • 12:05:17pm

New York AG to Trump: Come at me, bro.

.@POTUS lacks the constitutional authority to cut funding for #SanctuaryCities simply because they’ve lawfully acted to protect immigrants. pic.twitter.com/jcpsIvYKeU

— Eric Schneiderman (@AGSchneiderman) January 25, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2017 • 12:08:19pm

re: #802 Anymouse