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unproven innocence  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:53:17am

I love Paul Simon, but extreme mood swings… not up to that right now. Maybe later.

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:54:30am

Great time for lunch!

Imgur

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:55:49am

This is on Amazon as a lightning deal right now. Ten bucks, 0% claimed. Glad to see someone is losing money on this.

(edited: I can’t post a link because I’m on Amazon Smile. It’s a “Trump Mexico Will Pay Zip Up Costume Jumpsuit”)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:56:54am
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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:01:05pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:01:49pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep…..a safe zone needs to be secured by force. So how’s that gonna happen? Trump’s just gonna cut off a chunk of Syrian territory and give it Turkey or something? Is he planning on invading Syria in order to establish these safe zones? Maybe he’ll outsource it to Russia, LOL.

This is just Trump talking out of his ass, as usual. He has no plans, he has no idea what to do, nor does he even stop for one moment to contemplate the consequences of his actions. He’s the dog that caught the car.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:03:21pm

Watching “Rodan” on TCM right now.

The Japanese military found the rodan nest near a volcano and rocketed it. So Rodan has just gone all Samuel L Jackson on Sasebo - “you fuck with my nest, so I’m gonna go fuck with yours!” Japanese aircraft, tanks, and rocket launchers notwithstanding.

Also noticed in one of the model scenes a small advertisement poster that is of the Sambo/blackface mode.

And all this due to some coal miners digging too deep. Sort of like the dwarves letting the Balrog loose.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:05:19pm

Not a day passes where I don’t have an online interaction that convinces me that my generation really is just outrageously more racist and xenophobic than the previous.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:06:45pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:07:04pm

Repost from downstairs…

New York AG to Trump: Come at me, bro.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:08:33pm

re: #10 makeitstop

Repost from downstairs…

New York AG to Trump: Come at me, bro.

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California needs to do the same; time for them to step up and tell Trump to blow it out his ass.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:09:32pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:10:33pm

Also reposted from downstairs:

From 1975 through 2015, the annual chance that an American would be murdered in a terrorist attack carried out by a foreign-born terrorist was 1 in 3,609,709. Foreigners on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks, whereas those on other tourist visas killed 1 in 3.9 million a year. The chance that an American would be killed in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee was 1 in 3.64 billion a year. …

cato.org

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:11:18pm

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

California needs to do the same; time for them to step up and tell Trump to blow it out his ass.

I’m sure they will. Jerry Brown doesn’t seem to be in the mood to take shit from our new tin-pot dictator.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:12:09pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:15:20pm

re: #13 BeachDem

Also reposted from downstairs:

From 1975 through 2015, the annual chance that an American would be murdered in a terrorist attack carried out by a foreign-born terrorist was 1 in 3,609,709. Foreigners on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks, whereas those on other tourist visas killed 1 in 3.9 million a year. The chance that an American would be killed in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee was 1 in 3.64 billion a year. …

cato.org

Wait a second, I knew CATO was kinda libertarian but I didn’t realize that they were that anti-Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:16:09pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

It’s certainly occurred to me that the Trumpists are a cult movement, much like the LaRouche Movement, though obviously far more successful. The Trumpists are akin to the People’s Temple, a malignant cult with a charismatic, quasi-apocalyptic leader.

Of course, the biggest difference between Trump and the Rev. Jim Jones is that Rev. Jones didn’t have a civilization-ending arsenal of nuclear weapons at his disposal.

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:17:01pm

We now see clearly what the ‘alternative’ version of the oath of office is: Defecate in panic on the Constitution, run away and blame liberals.

Trump and his Republicans are the most disgusting goon squad of craven lickspittles and liars to have ever held office in the US.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:17:30pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:18:29pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

Wait a second, I knew CATO was kinda libertarian but I didn’t realize that they were that anti-Trump.

As I mentioned downstairs, I checked this guy out before posting that—he seems well-respected—i.e. In January 2013, ABC News listed Nowrasteh as #15 on a list of top 20 immigration experts to follow on Twitter in the United States

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:19:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:19:16pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:20:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:20:39pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh whine much Ari?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:21:09pm

All’ changed. Changed utterly.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:21:18pm

re: #10 makeitstop

Repost from downstairs…

New York AG to Trump: Come at me, bro.

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When states come together to fight a oppressive government….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:21:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:21:59pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:22:51pm

So Iran bought 16 billion dollars worth of planes from Boeing. How long before they cancel the order and send Boeing into a (literal) tailspin?

Retaliation’s a bitch, Donnie.

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:23:09pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are two sides to every story died when the Republican Party became 100% shit, but most in the mainstream media continue with both-siderist delusions.

Ari Fleischer knows this better than anyone on the planet, since he was chief spokes-bot for the W Bush administration as the Republican Party took its few remaining shreds of decency and strangled them in a dark basement with piano wire.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:24:14pm

re: #8 Citizen K

Not a day passes where I don’t have an online interaction that convinces me that my generation really is just outrageously more racist and xenophobic than the previous.

Christ. All the hope I had after the march last week has ebbed hard. Every single millenial I seem to run into it feels like is a hardcore Trumpist or a hardcore Bernie-or-Buster.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:25:11pm

re: #31 Citizen K

Christ. All the hope I had after the march last week has ebbed hard. Every single millenial I seem to run into it feels like is a hardcore Trumpist or a hardcore Bernie-or-Buster.

Not much room for us center liberals sigh.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:25:47pm

re: #3 stpaulbear

This is on Amazon as a lightning deal right now. Ten bucks, 0% claimed. Glad to see someone is losing money on this.

(edited: I can’t post a link because I’m on Amazon Smile. It’s a “Trump Mexico Will Pay Zip Up Costume Jumpsuit”)

Amazon Smile links should work OK - why couldn’t you post it?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:26:26pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:27:44pm

re: #13 BeachDem

I wonder what are the chances of a foreign tourist being shot or attacked by an American while visiting?

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:28:04pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Not much room for us center liberals sigh.

The irony being that I would have been considered one of this crazy tye-dye far-left whackos not 8 years ago (or hell, 4 years ago) for wanting ‘too much’. Now I’m a neoliberal shill who can’t accept that Hillary and Obama are the absolute ones to blame for everything, ignoring Trump fucking tearing every-fucking single-fucking thing down.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:28:27pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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@daveweigel This is why MSM isn’t trusted. What happened to “there are two sides to every story”?

What happened, Ari, you total asshole, is that sometimes there AREN’T two sides to every story. Sometimes there is irrefutable fact and a lot of white noise.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:28:34pm

re: #35 stpaulbear

I wonder what are the chances of a foreign tourist being shot or attacked by an American while visiting?

Depends where they go; if they visit Trumpland, I’d say pretty high chances unfortunately.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:30:13pm

To be fair, basic knowledge of female biology never was a GOP strong point…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:30:17pm

re: #36 Citizen K

The irony being that I would have been considered one of this crazy tye-dye far-left whackos not 8 years ago (or hell, 4 years ago) for wanting ‘too much’. Now I’m a neoliberal shill who can’t accept that Hillary and Obama are the absolute ones to blame for everything, ignoring Trump fucking tearing every-fucking single-fucking thing down.

You and me both. I admit I’ve changed but not that much.

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:31:02pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Amazon Smile links should work OK - why couldn’t you post it?

When I tried to do it a previous time, others told me the link wouldn’t work. I’m also concerned that my name and info may come up because I’m signed in to Smile. I just deleted the link to be safe.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:32:19pm
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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:32:35pm

re: #37 BeachDem

What happened, Ari, you total asshole, is that sometimes there AREN’T two sides to every story. Sometimes there is irrefutable fact and a lot of white noise.

It’s not that re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:33:20pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

You and me both. I admit I’ve changed but not that much.

If anything, I’ve become more radicalized. I just don’t fucking latch on to purity ponies.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:33:24pm

re: #41 stpaulbear

When I tried to do it a previous time, others told me the link wouldn’t work. I’m also concerned that my name and info may come up because I’m signed in to Smile. I just deleted the link to be safe.

Amazon Smile links work fine now, and you don’t need to worry about your name/info appearing in it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:33:50pm

But yeah I’m pissed off seeing the same smug attitudes from Berners. Your candidate had flaws too. Stop acting like he didn’t and that the DNC owed him the nomination when he’s not even an actual Democrat. Swear these people remind me of the German Communists who attacked the Social Dems and others who were the best chance to stop Hitler as “social fascists.” Social fascist is now “Neo liberal.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:34:23pm

re: #44 Citizen K

If anything, I’ve become more radicalized. I just don’t fucking latch on to purity ponies.

Purity ponies are the worst.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:35:57pm

Support for same sex marriage is a mainstream Democratic position now as is support for a higher minimum wage and for transgendered people but wait you’re not Bernie Sanders or someone who supported him, fuck off Neolib.//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:37:05pm

Tulsi Gabbard is much more hawkish than Clinton was but she got a pass since she bitched about the DNC and supported Sanders. The Bernbusters wanted to make her VP or SOS.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:38:45pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Tulsi Gabbard is much more hawkish than Clinton was but she got a pass since she bitched about the DNC and supported Sanders. The Bernbusters wanted to make her VP or SOS.

This. The only thing far left about the purity pony brigade seems to be their economics, but they’ll gladly promote their hawkish, conservative DINOs and the ones that pooh-pooh racism and xenophobia long as they get to punch at Hillary more again.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:39:15pm

Anyhow I don’t care about old primary battles at all but I’m sick of Bernie fucking Sanders being a litmus test.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:39:17pm

What a fucking shitshow on ice.

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:39:48pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Amazon Smile links work fine now, and you don’t need to worry about your name/info appearing in it.

Thanks.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:40:54pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

You and me both. I admit I’ve changed but not that much.

Same here. My first shot at voting was in 1980 (voted for President Carter, sigh). I have never seen a reason to vote for a Republican for higher office.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:41:19pm

re: #50 Citizen K

This. The only thing far left about the purity pony brigade seems to be their economics, but they’ll gladly promote their hawkish, conservative DINOs and the ones that pooh-pooh racism and xenophobia long as they get to punch at Hillary more again.

And lemme be honest they’re just as foolish as Trump is on economics. They too would rather bitch about the ACA not being good enough rather than improve it. I’m a solutions guy. Let’s make what we have better rather than gripe about what we don’t have.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:42:27pm

re: #54 Anymouse

Same here. My first shot at voting was in 1980 (voted for President Carter, sigh). I have never seen a reason to vote for a Republican for higher office.

I’ve always been more or less left wing but I’m a pragmatic person at my core.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:43:30pm

Maybe I’ll just stay in Yukon when I go.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:44:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:45:41pm

Not every Sanders supporter is like this btw but if you’re still more upset at the fact he lost the primary than what Trump is doing or try to rationalize Stein voting, you’re an idiot. The college kids I cut some slack to as they’re young but a lot of the Busters I know have been around the block before and they know full well how purity tests can hinder chances but they still play the victim.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:45:45pm

Adam “The Bull” Gerstenhaber and Daryl Ruiter are two local sports journalists here in Cleveland who have made their political views well known. Unsurprisingly, the RWNJs who respond usually say, “STICK TO SPORTS!!!1!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:46:58pm

re: #60 Myron Falwell

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Adam “The Bull” Gerstenhaber and Daryl Ruiter are two local sports journalists here in Cleveland who have made their political views well known. Unsurprisingly, the RWNJs who respond usually say, “STICK TO SPORTS!!!1!!”

Yet they didn’t tell Trump to stick to beauty pageants.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:47:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:49:21pm

re: #62 Anymouse

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Wolverine!

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:49:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:51:13pm

re: #64 Interesting Times

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Democracy sure was nice.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:51:19pm

re: #60 Myron Falwell

[Embedded content]

Adam “The Bull” Gerstenhaber and Daryl Ruiter are two local sports journalists here in Cleveland who have made their political views well known. Unsurprisingly, the RWNJs who respond usually say, “STICK TO SPORTS!!!1!!”

HuffPo’s new header:

DISCRIMINATION NATION (with the upside down Statue of Liberty)

Are we great again, assholes?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:52:32pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Democracy sure was nice.

Wasn’t it? Good times.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:52:56pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Democracy sure was nice.

It’s a republic, Libtard!

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scottslemmons  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:54:07pm

re: #68 Anymouse

[large]It’s a republic, Libtard!

Being a republic sure was nice.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:56:07pm

re: #69 scottslemmons

Being a republic sure was nice.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:56:08pm

re: #64 Interesting Times

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:57:40pm

When does Trump start wearing a military uniform and call himself General Trump?

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:59:33pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

To be fair, basic knowledge of female biology never was a GOP strong point…

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 12:59:45pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:00:09pm

I’m thinking tourism numbers are about to crater.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:00:14pm

re: #7 Feline Fearless Leader

If you ever want to catch an utterly cheesy and highly entertaining kaiju flick this one is highly recommended. Godzilla: Final Wars

If for no other reason than to watch the Japanese Godzilla flatten the American Godzilla in under five seconds.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:00:42pm

re: #54 Anymouse

Same here. My first shot at voting was in 1980 (voted for President Carter, sigh). I have never seen a reason to vote for a Republican for higher office.

Speaking of President Carter, there is a little factoid regarding his run in 1976 that actually is relevant today.

Jimmy Carter at the time of his Presidential candidacy was the owner of his family peanut farm, and was required to place it in blind trust while he was in office. It is a pretty safe bet that he had zero involvement in the farm while he was in office, because once he returned after his presidency, he discovered that the trustees had mismanaged his farm and left it about a million dollars in debt, and was required to pay out of his own pocket to keep the business afloat.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:02:15pm

re: #76 Romantic Heretic

If you ever want to catch an utterly cheesy and highly entertaining kaiju flick this one is highly recommended. Godzilla: Final Wars

If for no other reason than to watch the Japanese Godzilla flatten the American Godzilla in under five seconds.

Well, they obviously haven’t seen our Enola Godzilla.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

re: #77 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Republicans held investigations to make sure he wasn’t still connected to the farm.

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sagehen  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

re: #77 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Speaking of President Carter, there is a little factoid regarding his run in 1976 that actually is relevant today.

Jimmy Carter at the time of his Presidential candidacy was the owner of his family peanut farm, and was required to place it in blind trust while he was in office. It is a pretty safe bet that he had zero involvement in the farm while he was in office, because once he returned after his presidency, he discovered that the trustees had mismanaged his farm and left it about a million dollars in debt, and was required to pay out of his own pocket to keep the business afloat.

Repeat after me: IOKIYAR.

See how simple that was?

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:02:30pm

re: #12 Kragar

Hey, enjoy it, Kurt.

It’s not like you’re going to get laid otherwise.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:02:55pm

Worldwide Trends

#MuslimBan
827K Tweets

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:05:23pm

re: #43 Citizen K

It’s not that

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:06:53pm

For a lighter and brighter slice of news: my local PBS station WHYY will be re-running Great Performances Hamilton’s America at 5:30 pm.

whyy.org

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:07:05pm

For the upcoming genomics symposium to be held in Austin:

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:07:24pm

re: #57 Anymouse

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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:08:04pm

re: #75 makeitstop

I’m thinking tourism numbers are about to crater.

I live near millions of acres of nothing. I think tourism numbers in this area will increase, if they can find ‘em to count ‘em.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:08:44pm

re: #86 lockjawcanbefun

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It’s quite amazing that two countries that share so much in common (along with the longest unguarded border in the world) can be so different.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:09:05pm

re: #86 lockjawcanbefun

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Him, Merkel, & Hollande need to hold strong.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:10:32pm

re: #62 Anymouse

Good for ❌ichigan.

(Many apologies to Dr. Matt… you can tell I’m from Ohio.)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:10:48pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Him, Merkel, & Hollande need to hold strong.

Yep, it’s up to the French, the Germans and the Canadians to hold the line.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:11:39pm
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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:12:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:13:20pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

Yep, it’s up to the French, the Germans and the Canadians to hold the line.

Important elections coming up.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:14:09pm

Seen on Facebook.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:15:08pm

re: #93 Anymouse

Hmm. Maybe Pope Francis could say a few words.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:15:25pm

re: #86 lockjawcanbefun

Canadian RWNJs are peeling the flesh off of their skulls right about now.

I would not be surprised to see Canada ultimately accept all of the refugees we would have, and do so in short order.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:15:38pm

re: #95 makeitstop

Seen on Facebook.

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Sure fires are bad but fire prevention is even worse.//

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:15:41pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Important elections coming up.

“Important” is an understatement.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:16:19pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

“Important” is an understatement.

No doubt.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:16:47pm

Sanity break: #cuteanimaltweetoff

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:18:04pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Maybe Pope Francis could say a few words.

He has.

You cannot reject refugees and call yourself a Christian

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:18:09pm

re: #95 makeitstop

Seen on Facebook.

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More proof that rightwingers suck at analogies (and have a tenuous grasp of facts, oh, and are assholes.)

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:18:56pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Important elections coming up.

And Bannon has his paws in every one of them.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:19:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:19:40pm

re: #103 BeachDem

More proof that rightwingers suck at analogies (and have a tenuous grasp of facts, oh, and are assholes.)

Member the poison skittle analogy?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:19:54pm

re: #104 MsJ

And Bannon has his paws in every one of them.

As does Putin.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:20:29pm

re: #96 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Maybe Pope Francis could say a few words.

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia the Vatican.

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mmmirele  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:20:56pm

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:21:22pm

Been reading up a little bit on Title I and Title VI on the Ethics in Government Act - this is the set of laws that govern business conflicts of federal officeholders.

There is a number that people should make note of.

Ninety Days.

That is the amount of time that the US Attorney General has to begin investigation of allegations of conflicts of interest and other allegations of corruption by high office holders. If he does not investigate by that time, then there is a provision in the law that automatically appoints a special independent prosecutor to conduct the investigation - and at that time ALL investigations will be done by him, and the Department of Justice is removed from the process. Findings are directly reported to a non-partisan congressional committee, and oversight by a 3-judge panel appointed by the US Supreme Court.

This law was passed in 1978, as a direct response to the events of the Saturday Night Massacre from the Watergate era, where Nixon had fired those people directly responsible for investigating him.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:22:44pm
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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:23:22pm

The cluelessness of the administration continues:

Trump Withdraws Proposal to Create Safe Zones in Syria (Goes to Huffington Post)

That clause [in the Muslim ban executive order] would have instructed the secretary of defense to draft a plan within 90 days to create “safe zones to protect vulnerable Syrian populations,” according to a copy of the draft published by The Huffington Post on Wednesday.

The decision to omit the safe zones proposal allows the Trump administration to avoid, at least temporarily, the complex questions that such a policy would raise. Creating and protecting safe zones could increase American military intervention in Syria, and pose a number of political and logistical problems regarding its implementation.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:23:31pm

re: #108 MsJ

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia the Vatican.

How long until Trump announces he will no longer recognize the Vatican as a sovereign state?

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:23:57pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

As does Putin.

Same difference.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:24:23pm

re: #114 MsJ

Same difference.

Yeah true.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:25:10pm

re: #109 mmmirele

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:25:33pm

re: #110 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Been reading up a little bit on Title I and Title VI on the Ethics in Government Act - this is the set of laws that govern business conflicts of federal officeholders.

There is a number that people should make note of.

Ninety Days.

That is the amount of time that the US Attorney General has to begin investigation of allegations of conflicts of interest and other allegations of corruption by high office holders. If he does not investigate by that time, then there is a provision in the law that automatically appoints a special independent prosecutor to conduct the investigation - and at that time ALL investigations will be done by him, and the Department of Justice is removed from the process. Findings are directly reported to a non-partisan congressional committee, and oversight by a 3-judge panel appointed by the US Supreme Court.

This law was passed in 1978, as a direct response to the events of the Saturday Night Massacre from the Watergate era, where Nixon had fired those people directly responsible for investigating him.

Who appoints the special prosecutor?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:25:43pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

Give it a few more weeks days and we shall see what happens.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:26:22pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

How long until Trump announces he will no longer recognize the Vatican as a sovereign state?

“How many combat troops does the Pope have?”

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:26:28pm

re: #110 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Been reading up a little bit on Title I and Title VI on the Ethics in Government Act - this is the set of laws that govern business conflicts of federal officeholders.

There is a number that people should make note of.

Ninety Days.

That is the amount of time that the US Attorney General has to begin investigation of allegations of conflicts of interest and other allegations of corruption by high office holders. If he does not investigate by that time, then there is a provision in the law that automatically appoints a special independent prosecutor to conduct the investigation - and at that time ALL investigations will be done by him, and the Department of Justice is removed from the process. Findings are directly reported to a non-partisan congressional committee, and oversight by a 3-judge panel appointed by the US Supreme Court.

This law was passed in 1978, as a direct response to the events of the Saturday Night Massacre from the Watergate era, where Nixon had fired those people directly responsible for investigating him.

Think Trump’s legal eagles have noted this? They may be just incompetent enough to over look it.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:26:28pm

re: #109 mmmirele

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:26:59pm

There is something very wrong about the Trump EO—-JFK situation. Not something morally or politically wrong, but something wrong in the mechanics and method. It can’t happen this fast. The President does not speak to the platoon sergeant or to the on-site border agent. There is a process for turning any president’s intent into action on the ground, and this is not how it works. At HQDA (Pentagon) level an Executive Order is not implementable until it is incorporated into new or existing Army Regulation and coordinated through all pertinent G-Staff Army agencies. This takes weeks at a minimum, and until then it is meaningless to the chain of command that leads down to the poor sod that has to make things happen. The process has to be much the same at the Border and Customs agencies. There is no way the grunts at JFK knew what to do. Someone had to subvert the critical process designed to avoid this kind of fuckup.

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:27:02pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

How long until Trump announces he will no longer recognize the Vatican as a sovereign state?

Or Canada. Pretty soon we’re going to need two walls.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:28:18pm

re: #119 TedStriker

“How many troops does the Pope have?”

Bad news for Callista Gingrich.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:29:22pm

re: #123 stpaulbear

Nah, the Canadians only need one.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:29:25pm

Well, call me surprised!

Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties

President Trump has signed an executive order that bans citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East from entering the United States for 90 days, according to the White House. His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey.

bloomberg.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:29:52pm

re: #112 Anymouse

The cluelessness of the administration continues:

Trump Withdraws Proposal to Create Safe Zones in Syria (Goes to Huffington Post)

Putin most certainly told Trump, “No” and of course, that was that. Safe zones in Syria would need to be created and guarded by force and unless Trump was willing to carve of parts of Syrian territory (to Turkey, no doubt) or send in the US military to enforce said safe zones (which Assad - and possibly Putin - would most likely consider an act of war) then he had no choice but to drop the idea.

Again, cluelessness and not thinking through the possible consequences of his actions.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:31:55pm

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Anyhow as much as I would like to get involved in many issues. I’ve settled on two- Civil Liberties and Immigration. I’m attending an immigration rally and I’m going to look for local ACLU meetings to attend.

I wanted to respond to this from downstairs, because I think it is an excellent idea. My two are health care and voting rights, though immigration is pulling hard today. :-(

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:32:15pm

re: #127 Dr Lizardo

Cluelessness as in not having a political background and trying to learn on the job. USA cannot afford to have someone at the top who is … (I will let the readers fill it in)

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:32:49pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

There is something very wrong about the Trump EO—-JFK situation. Not something morally or politically wrong, but something wrong in the mechanics and method. It can’t happen this fast. The President does not speak to the platoon sergeant or to the on-site border agent. There is a process for turning any president’s intent into action on the ground, and this is not how it works. At HQDA (Pentagon) level an Executive Order is not implementable until it is incorporated into new or existing Army Regulation and coordinated through all pertinent G-Staff Army agencies. This takes weeks at a minimum, and until then it is meaningless to the chain of command that leads down to the poor sod that has to make things happen. The process has to be much the same at the Border and Customs agencies. There is no way the grunts at JFK knew what to do. Someone had to subvert the critical process designed to avoid this kind of fuckup.

Agencies have noted on the alt-government Twitter channels that the administration is not running EOs by the agencies they affect. They are simply implementing them.

EOs are usually vetted by the relevant agency (EPA, Navy Department, Education, &c) to see what relevant laws and policies apply. They are then promulgated down the respective chains-of-command so that everyone is on the same page when it takes effect.

This is more evidence that the wingnuts in the administration have no clue how to run a government. Even if this wasn’t Trump and his merry band of fascists, this right here is why you don’t elect someone to high office that has never worked in politics. (You don’t hire an amateur to fly your passenger jet either.)

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:33:48pm

Well, call me surprised, part 2.

President Donald Trump’s voters think he should be able to use private email server

Despite parroting the issue of Hillary Clinton’s emails throughout the contentious 2016 election, more Donald Trump supporters believe the President has a right to use a private server than those that don’t.

According to a new poll by Public Policy Polling, 42 percent of Trump voters feel he should be allowed to utilize a private server while 39 percent believe the opposite.

nydailynews.com

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:34:05pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Purity ponies are the worst.

But it’s easier than thinking.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:34:48pm

re: #109 mmmirele

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:35:21pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

There is something very wrong about the Trump EO—-JFK situation. Not something morally or politically wrong, but something wrong in the mechanics and method. It can’t happen this fast. The President does not speak to the platoon sergeant or to the on-site border agent. There is a process for turning any president’s intent into action on the ground, and this is not how it works. At HQDA (Pentagon) level an Executive Order is not implementable until it is incorporated into new or existing Army Regulation and coordinated through all pertinent G-Staff Army agencies. This takes weeks at a minimum, and until then it is meaningless to the chain of command that leads down to the poor sod that has to make things happen. The process has to be much the same at the Border and Customs agencies. There is no way the grunts at JFK knew what to do. Someone had to subvert the critical process designed to avoid this kind of fuckup.

Now that you mention it, I’ve never seen (or don’t remember) a new rule fully implemented overnight. How long did it take for the new security rules to be implemented after 9/11?

And who could have pushed them through this quickly?

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:35:35pm

Read this thread.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:37:42pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

There is something very wrong about the Trump EO—-JFK situation. Not something morally or politically wrong, but something wrong in the mechanics and method. It can’t happen this fast. The President does not speak to the platoon sergeant or to the on-site border agent. There is a process for turning any president’s intent into action on the ground, and this is not how it works. At HQDA (Pentagon) level an Executive Order is not implementable until it is incorporated into new or existing Army Regulation and coordinated through all pertinent G-Staff Army agencies. This takes weeks at a minimum, and until then it is meaningless to the chain of command that leads down to the poor sod that has to make things happen. The process has to be much the same at the Border and Customs agencies. There is no way the grunts at JFK knew what to do. Someone had to subvert the critical process designed to avoid this kind of fuckup.

This makes me wonder HOW it was implemented so quickly. You’re right…the government is like a massive ship. It cannot stop quickly or turn on a dime. How was it logistically possible to do this so fast?

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:38:52pm

Judges to state: Redraw legislative districts before 2018 election

A federal judicial panel says state lawmakers and Gov. Scott Walker must act before the 2018 election to redraw legislative district boundaries that the court recently struck down as unconstitutionally benefiting Republicans.

In an order released Friday, the judges say Wisconsin must devise a new redistricting plan for the 2018 election and have it in place by Nov. 1, 2017.

State officials pledged to swiftly appeal the order to the U.S. Supreme Court. Should it withstand appeal, the ruling could reshape the 2018 legislative elections, giving beleaguered Democrats — now badly outnumbered in the Legislature — hope to win more races.

But Friday’s order also rejected a key request from plaintiffs: that judges, rather than lawmakers and the governor, take charge of creating new district boundaries.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:40:27pm

re: #130 Anymouse

Agencies have noted on the alt-government Twitter channels that the administration is not running EOs by the agencies they affect. They are simply implementing them.

EOs are usually vetted by the relevant agency (EPA, Navy Department, Education, &c) to see what relevant laws and policies apply. They are then promulgated down the respective chains-of-command so that everyone is on the same page when it takes effect.

This is more evidence that the wingnuts in the administration have no clue how to run a government. Even if this wasn’t Trump and his merry band of fascists, this right here is why you don’t elect someone to high office that has never worked in politics. (You don’t hire an amateur to fly your passenger jet either.)

Yes. On request, we wrote (actually usually revised) a family of Executive Orders that pertained to our staff function, then sent them up the DA/DoD chain to the Prez. That’s where little EOs come from.

When it got approved and signed, sometimes a multi-year process, it came back down to us and we wrote or changed the necessary ARs.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:41:51pm

re: #136 MsJ

This makes me wonder HOW it was implemented so quickly. You’re right…the government is like a massive ship. It cannot stop quickly or turn on a dime. How was it logistically possible to do this so fast?

Pirates.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:41:55pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Put a fork in her, she’s done.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:42:27pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Pirates.

??

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:42:50pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

We now see clearly what the ‘alternative’ version of the oath of office is: Defecate in panic on the Constitution, run away and blame liberals the opposition party.

Trump and his Republicans are the most disgusting goon squad of craven lickspittles and liars to have ever held office in the US.

Did a little modification on your second sentence. We need to use the new terms favored by the Trumpistas.

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:43:10pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

There is something very wrong about the Trump EO—-JFK situation. Not something morally or politically wrong, but something wrong in the mechanics and method. It can’t happen this fast. The President does not speak to the platoon sergeant or to the on-site border agent. There is a process for turning any president’s intent into action on the ground, and this is not how it works. At HQDA (Pentagon) level an Executive Order is not implementable until it is incorporated into new or existing Army Regulation and coordinated through all pertinent G-Staff Army agencies. This takes weeks at a minimum, and until then it is meaningless to the chain of command that leads down to the poor sod that has to make things happen. The process has to be much the same at the Border and Customs agencies. There is no way the grunts at JFK knew what to do. Someone had to subvert the critical process designed to avoid this kind of fuckup.

THIS. Senior Homeland Security people seem to be having difficulty interpreting the EO, so how could JFK staff know whether green card holders were admissible or not?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:43:53pm

re: #141 MsJ

??

Someone with real or pretend authority had to give specific directions, probably on-site.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:44:36pm

re: #136 MsJ

This makes me wonder HOW it was implemented so quickly. You’re right…the government is like a massive ship. It cannot stop quickly or turn on a dime. How was it logistically possible to do this so fast?

It wasn’t implemented rationally. That’s why all the chaos with people literally in the air when it was determined they would not be allowed to enter. It was simply written badly, signed, and implemented immediately, with Rep. Ryan and Sen. McConnell both coming out and saying they supported it.

The rest of the chaos is today’s history.

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:45:06pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Someone with real or pretend authority had to give specific directions, probably on-site.

Trump’s brown shirts, probably recruited at Stormfront.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:46:25pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

Trump’s brown shirts, probably recruited at Stormfront.

A good reporter (HA!) would be going up the JFK chain looking for a name.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:48:04pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:50:11pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

A good reporter (HA!) would be going up the JFK chain looking for a name.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:50:39pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

If I’m working at an airport, and such a major policy was being enacted I would have to see official documents or something. I would need to know exactly what was expected. You’re fucking with civil rights here.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:54:12pm

Off topic request for help.

I’ve switched to Chrome because Firefox is a dog on this site, but am having issues with it. Specifically when I try to paste into a pair of tags, i.e. , Chrome blows away second leading tag every single time, so I have to manually ad tags now.

Also, why doesn’t Chrome like blank lines? It ignores them on every post I make.

This happens in Win 10, OSX, and IOS10.

Hopefully it’s just a setting I don’t know about. Thanks.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:54:16pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

If I’m working at an airport, and such a major policy was being enacted I would have to see official documents or something. I would need to know exactly what was expected. You’re fucking with civil rights here.

Realizing the importance of the case, they are rounding up twice the usual number of suspects.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:55:14pm

re: #148 Anymouse

“Get used to it”. Words to bring a country together from the Propaganda Minister.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:56:01pm

re: #103 BeachDem

More proof that rightwingers suck at analogies (and have a tenuous grasp of facts, oh, and are assholes.)

You think that’s about the #muslimban? Pretty clear to me it’s an analogy for the normalisation of the Trump Maladministration.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:56:08pm

re: #149 MsJ

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Good hunting.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 1:56:11pm
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prairiefire  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:00:01pm

The hammer has now hit the anvil. The rubber has hit the road. Trump has changed our nation and we are all living in the after world.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:00:06pm

OT Carrot Top is in Sharknado 4. Um. Well. Wait. He was in Sharknado 4.

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ozharas  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:00:53pm

Pressure on PM May as she refuses to comment/condemn etc even as her own citizens are being caught up in this, as dual citizens of the UK and one of the 7 listed countries.

Her dash over to see Trump is already being judged as unseemly and fawning, and now this.

telegraph.co.uk

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:00:54pm

Well, for those wishing for the Sweet Meteor of Death over the election, Snopes debunks a Daily Mail article about a near-Earth asteroid set to destroy the planet Feb. 16:

snopes.com

On 25 January 2017, the Daily Mail published a report with the terrifying headline: “A doomsday asteroid will hit Earth next month and trigger devastating mega-tsunamis, claims conspiracy theorist”. If ever you wanted a textbook example of the balance fallacy (when two sides of an argument are represented as having comparable value regardless of their merits), or of revenue-driven, shameless pseudoscientific clickbait, this would be the place to see it in the wild.

On one side of the debate you have NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. It is a large collection of professionally trained scientists, some of whom have spent decades specifically studying the science of asteroid tracking, engineers who are trained to operate multi-million dollar instruments to perform said tracking, and offices whose sole purpose is to monitor the trajectory of near earth objects. This organization’s NEOWISE mission detected an object dubbed 2016 WF9 on 27 November 2016. After collecting enough data on its orbit, they reported that it was no threat to Earth on 29 December 2016:

(more about this wingnut Russian “astronomer” and his conspiracy theory at Snopes)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:03:02pm

re: #160 Anymouse

Well, for those wishing for the Sweet Meteor of Death over the election, Snopes debunks a Daily Mail article about a near-Earth asteroid set to destroy the planet Feb. 16:

snopes.com

(more about this wingnut Russian “astronomer” and his conspiracy theory at Snopes)

If you have an acquaintance with deep CT leanings, bet a lot on the near miss. If you’re wrong, you get away clean.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:03:35pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

How long until Trump announces he will no longer recognize the Vatican as a sovereign state?

When he sees the conservative Catholics (who voted for him because “TEH FETUSES!!!”) as no longer necessary for his purposes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:04:36pm

re: #62 Anymouse

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As an Ohio Stater, and a bit of a Buckeye fan…I say GO MICHIGAN.

I hope there is more and more of this coming and Trump and the rotten GOP that are standing around watching get a backlash they didn’t see coming.

Arrogant bastards deserve to learn some political lessons for their behavior. Please let this all be a start to America waking up and really deciding to take some interest in politics.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:05:33pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:07:45pm

Thread.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:09:17pm

Excuse me while I SQUEEEEEEEE!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:10:49pm

re: #166 MsJ

That is so precious.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:11:50pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

If I’m working at an airport, and such a major policy was being enacted I would have to see official documents or something. I would need to know exactly what was expected. You’re fucking with civil rights here.

Order comes down from higher up. Presidential Executive Order covering (immigration, state, Homeland Security, Passport control, &c).

The usual assumption of a government worker is that:
a) their supervisors know what they are doing
b) the president knows what he is doing.

This flaming Dumpster fire came out in the middle of the night with absolutely no vetting, and orders to implement it immediately, backed by the leaders of the House and Senate (because party over country).

No way a flunky passport agent or TSA agent would be able to interpret what was correctly implemented and what a bunch of clueless fools in the Aryan House were doing.

My wife is chatting on-line with one of our friends in Germany right now. He points out this is exactly how the Nazi regime worked. (Order from Hitler or underlings, no clue down below the chain-of-command how they were supposed to implement it, infighting between senior officials, &c)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:12:04pm

What if there AREN’T two sides to a story, but only the TRUTH, or BULLSHIT? Should the Media present Bullshit as somehow equivalent to Truth?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:12:11pm

re: #165 MsJ

Thread.

1. On his forthcoming State visit I don’t think Trump should be invited to address both Houses of Parliament from Westminster Hall
12:13 PM - 28 Jan 2017

JoodiG ‏@JoodiG 3h3 hours ago

@sarahwollaston @ProfJuneG I’m not sure he should be allowed to address a postcard tbh.
0 replies 2 retweets 11 likes

We got a winner.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:14:41pm
re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

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What if there AREN’T two sides to a story, but only the TRUTH, or BULLSHIT? Should the Media present Bullshit as somehow equivalent to Truth?

In that case the media should ignore TRUTH because it makes BULLSHIT look bad and that’s bias.

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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:15:04pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:15:12pm

With Canada acting like it is, Trump is going to be forced to build a north wall too. With all the terrorists diverting to Canada as a safe haven, they can just walk across that border and attack America at will.

/

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:16:35pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:16:44pm

re: #171 Skip Intro

In that case the media should ignore TRUTH because it makes BULLSHIT look bad and that’s bias.

When these people and their news-churls are done, no one will ever again know whether they are seeing truth or bullshit.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:17:30pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:18:18pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

If I’m working at an airport, and such a major policy was being enacted I would have to see official documents or something. I would need to know exactly what was expected. You’re fucking with civil rights here.

As with all yam administration actions, there is their story and the (likely) facts:

White House aides claimed on Saturday that there had been talks with officials at the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security over the past several weeks about carrying out the order. “Everyone who needed to know was informed,” one aide said.

But that assertion was denied by multiple officials with knowledge of the interactions, including two officials at the State Department. Two of the officials said leaders of Customs and Border Protection and Citizenship and Immigration Services — the two agencies most directly affected by the order — and other agencies were on a telephone briefing on the new policy even as Mr. Trump signed it on Friday.

nytimes.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:19:13pm

re: #176 makeitstop

Trump’s promise to prioritize Christian over Muslim refugees when the 90-day ban lifts violates the Religion Clauses of our First Amendment.
2:22 PM - 28 Jan 2017

Have you run that past Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third and the new USSC Justice?

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:19:41pm

He doesn’t get it. This order is “checking them.” This is what “check everyone” looks like when you suddenly decide in the middle of the night you want to check everyone again.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:20:14pm

re: #177 BeachDem

As with all yam administration actions, there is their story and the (likely) facts:

White House aides claimed on Saturday that there had been talks with officials at the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security over the past several weeks about carrying out the order. “Everyone who needed to know was informed,” one aide said.

But that assertion was denied by multiple officials with knowledge of the interactions, including two officials at the State Department. Two of the officials said leaders of Customs and Border Protection and Citizenship and Immigration Services — the two agencies most directly affected by the order — and other agencies were on a telephone briefing on the new policy even as Mr. Trump signed it on Friday.

nytimes.com

That’s not how it works if you want to stay out of court.

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:21:21pm

Let’s see if the Congressional Democrats react appropriately. Something like the following would be a good start, especially if backed up with investigations etc.:

“The Democratic Party of the United States of America does not cooperate with fascists or normalize them. Since Trump and the Republicans are now clearly revealed as fascists, we will vote against everything put forth by the Republicans.

The only exceptions to this would be acts of Congress to nullify Trump’s executive orders, and impeachment proceedings, which we expect to begin forthwith if Congressional Republicans have any decency at all.”

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:22:16pm

re: #131 Skip Intro

Well, call me surprised, part 2.

President Donald Trump’s voters think he should be able to use private email server

nydailynews.com

Ah yes. We will be hearing plenty of the new “because he is not Hillary” excuses for some time.

It is a very simple justification for simple people.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:25:24pm

re: #134 makeitstop

Now that you mention it, I’ve never seen (or don’t remember) a new rule fully implemented overnight. How long did it take for the new security rules to be implemented after 9/11?

And who could have pushed them through this quickly?

The Russians!

Suddenly all the government hacking they’ve done since who knows when comes back as bribery for all levels of government…mostly now aimed at Republicans that are in control.

///mega…but damn, you just don’t know any more.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:25:43pm
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prairiefire  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:27:09pm

Almost time for “The Quiet Man” on TCM.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:27:42pm

re: #185 prairiefire

Almost time for “The Quiet Man” on TCM.

Is it St Patrick’s Day already?

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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:27:46pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

“…if Congressional Republicans have any decency at all.”

Damn, I knew there had to be a catch.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:28:26pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:29:19pm

re: #103 BeachDem

More proof that rightwingers suck at analogies (and have a tenuous grasp of facts, oh, and are assholes.)

Wait, I don’t get it - I saw the “give the fire a chance” analogy as directed to those who supported/minimized/normalized trump. How are you interpreting it?

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lizardofid  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:31:53pm

re: #185 prairiefire

Almost time for “The Quiet Man” on TCM.

I am pleased to award that an up ding in honor of Maureen O’Hara!

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:32:26pm

re: #189 Interesting Times

Wait, I don’t get it - I saw the “give the fire a chance” analogy as directed to those who supported/minimized/normalized trump. How are you interpreting it?

That’s how I took it.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:34:37pm

Betsy DeVos will get right on that:

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:35:13pm

re: #189 Interesting Times

Wait, I don’t get it - I saw the “give the fire a chance” analogy as directed to those who supported/minimized/normalized trump. How are you interpreting it?

That’s what I was thinking.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:35:22pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:36:33pm

re: #185 prairiefire

Almost time for “The Quiet Man” on TCM.

Probably my favorite Wayne movie. My dad’s second great grandmother was from Kilmaine, Mayo near where they filmed.

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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:37:06pm

re: #12 Kragar

Etiquette question for the Tweeters among us: is it frowned upon to retweet a comment about a twit you have blocked?

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:37:50pm

One of my Republican Senators steps up (though the person thanking him doesn’t seem to know Democrats have been protesting about this since they heard of it):

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:40:28pm

re: #194 MsJ

A question to all #Democrats: ERP-radar and I think that this is what you should all say…do you agree?

There is no need for an exception for impeachment. Let them carry this baby to term.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:40:29pm

re: #37 BeachDem

What happened, Ari, you total asshole, is that sometimes there AREN’T two sides to every story. Sometimes there is irrefutable fact and a lot of white noise.

I just explained this to my 9-year-old daughter last night who said she didn’t think she believed in climate change. I told her that’s fine, but she’s wrong. She acted surprised because I didn’t take her “belief” into account. I told her there are facts and then there are opinions. If your opinion is opposite of the facts, then your opinion means absolutely nothing and you are wrong on top of that. She changed her mind.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:41:09pm

re: #191 makeitstop

I read it as a slam on all those who were saying to give Trump a chance.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:42:02pm

re: #200 MsJ

I read it as a slam on all those who were saying to give Trump a chance.

Exactly, hence my bewilderment over the “right-wingers suck at analogies” reply.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:43:34pm

I re: #200 MsJ

I read it as a slam on all those who were saying to give Trump a chance.

Me too. Hence my joke.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:44:12pm

Well, that’s more than our craven conservatives are doing (aside from Ben Sasse, who got part of it wrong but at least he tried)

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:44:34pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:45:42pm

re: #189 Interesting Times

Wait, I don’t get it - I saw the “give the fire a chance” analogy as directed to those who supported/minimized/normalized trump. How are you interpreting it?

Maybe I misread it—I thought they were justifying the Muslim ban.

I probably need a nap. Or a drink. Or several.

Edited to add that it’s too late to delete my misinterpretation post, so I guess I’ll just have to leave it to glaringly illustrate what a bad day I am having.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:46:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:46:54pm

re: #205 BeachDem

Maybe I misread it—I thought they were justifying the Muslim ban.

I probably need a nap. Or a drink. Or several.

We all need several drinks. I has whiskey.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:47:14pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:49:32pm

re: #197 Anymouse

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electrotek  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:51:17pm

This guy

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:53:25pm

Goddamnit.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:54:06pm

re: #209 MsJ

Should add “in the first six days”. Trump sets another new record.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:54:34pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

We all need several drinks. I has whiskey.

re: #207 HappyWarrior

We all need several drinks. I has whiskey.

I’m out of booze, but I am going to the general store to fix that now.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:54:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:55:40pm

re: #214 Anymouse

I’m out of booze, but I am going to the general store to fix that now.

Get tequila!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:56:06pm

re: #215 Kragar

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Or having to arrange flowers.

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:56:55pm

re: #212 MsJ

Republicans also want to adopt a cap on how many species can be protected and to give states a greater say in the process

.

That simplifies things. Is “white Christian male” a species? If so, then the number of protected species is exactly one.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:57:24pm

re: #177 BeachDem

Right. This doesn’t sound like something that would be officially said by an agent.

Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border agent, “Who is the person we need to talk to?”

“Call Mr. Trump,” said the agent, who declined to identify himself.

This is condescension, not official directions.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:57:50pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:58:18pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Get tequila!

Before the price increase.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 2:59:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:00:08pm

re: #221 makeitstop

Before the price increase.

That’s my plan.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:01:21pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:02:03pm

re: #135 MsJ

Read this thread.

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We are going to need leaders at non-right wing churches to speak up more.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:02:05pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Pour vous.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:03:00pm

re: #226 Kragar

Pour vous.

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Well spoken.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:06:09pm

re: #226 Kragar

Pour vous.

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Matt Zellar, an army captain who runs No One Left Behind, a charity that seeks to bring to the US Afghanis and Iraqis who worked with the American military in their countries, said the bans had caused their programmes to be suspended.

Mr Zellar works with people who have been placed on death lists by the Taliban, Isil, or other extremist organisations for the time they spent working with the US military…

Some have been waiting years, moving night by night and living away from their families to escape death squads,” Mr Zellar said. “This closes out their last hope. Heroes and patriots who saved American lives are going to die for their service to us.”

telegraph.co.uk

But they don’t know the peril of having to bake a gay cake. I am beyond…

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Joe Bacon  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:07:44pm

re: #225 Belafon

We are going to need leaders at non-right wing churches to speak up more.

I’ll be shocked if they actually speak out!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:08:19pm

I hope the Iraq/Afghanistan War vets that support Trump realize that this is hurting people who helped them in Iraq and Afghanistan. People whose actions saved American lives.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:08:37pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:09:02pm

re: #229 Joe Bacon

I’ll be shocked if they actually speak out!

I wouldn’t hold my breath, personally. Blue in the face is not a good color on me.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:10:49pm

From a friend in NYC…

Sorry, FB post was removed. She said that word has it that at 6PM all NYC cabbies are going on strike.

Trump has kicked a hornet’s nest here.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:10:57pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

There is no need for an exception for impeachment. Let them carry this baby to term.

I agree. The GOP has already plunged the rusted knife into their own throat, and we’re starting to see the slow bleed out with an enraged and furious populace. Anything they and Trump will make it worse for them, and the visible hatred towards Trump, Ryan and McConnell will exacerbate.

The best analogy is 1791 France. Question is, do we respond in the same way the French did or do we force a changeover through more orderly means?

I’d love to assume the latter, but humanity’s animalistic tendencies suggest the former.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:11:16pm

Al Gore swoops in to save CDC’s climate and health conference

Thanks to a push from former Vice President Al Gore, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s conference on the health effects of climate change is back on for next month in Atlanta.

The conference was abruptly canceled by the agency following the election of Donald Trump. Though the CDC has given no explanation for the cancellation, co-organizer Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, called it a “strategic retreat,” the intention of which was to avoid upsetting the new administration and allow it to have input on the conference. The CDC said the conference may be rescheduled later in the year.

But Gore and others weren’t having that, apparently. In an interview with the Washington Post, Benjamin said, “He called me and we talked about it and we said, ‘There’s still a void and still a need.’ We said, ‘Let’s make this thing happen’… It was a no-brainer.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:11:46pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:12:40pm

re: #234 makeitstop

From a friend in NYC…

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Trump has kicked a hornet’s nest here.

What was it? It is no longer available.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:14:07pm

re: #238 MsJ

What was it? It is no longer available.

I edited the post. Word is swirling through Manhattan that at 6PM all NYC cabbies are going on strike.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:14:13pm

Here’s another one from arstechnica:

In Berlin, refugees become friends—through board games

The current refugee crisis is not a game. There are no clear rules, information is often untrackable, hidden variables can lead to utter chaos, and there’s no endgame in sight.

And yet, tens of thousands of refugees were welcomed into Berlin—my adopted home city—during the past year. As they have taken up residence in makeshift shelters and previously abandoned buildings, I find myself connecting with many of them in my neighborhood through the shared language and experience of playing board games.

I am often frustrated that I can do little to help them navigate the German bureaucracy, find a job, or secure an apartment, but what I can do is give them the dignity of spending time with them and listening to their stories.

Whenever I play games with others, we share each other’s stories. The games themselves do not have to tell a story; they simply give us a starting point and a framework for interaction. The multicultural game nights I host through meetup.com are often just the beginning of ongoing stories—relationships that soon go beyond playing games together. And now the same is happening with my new refugee friends.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:15:11pm

re: #239 makeitstop

I edited the post. Word is swirling through Manhattan that at 6PM all NYC cabbies are going on strike.

Thanks. Good on them.

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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:15:35pm

re: #239 makeitstop

I edited the post. Word is swirling through Manhattan that at 6PM all NYC cabbies are going on strike.

Cabbies (and former cabbies) are the best.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:17:01pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Get tequila!

I’m back. My Trump-supporting store owner (who was always very clear about that every time I came in) was awfully quiet about what’s going on today, as the television reported what’s going on.

No mention of Mr. Trump at all, in fact. Just cashed my lotto tickets and took my money for the things I bought (he was sold out of booze: weather was too bad the last couple days - he only keeps a few bottles in the store and they haven’t been restocked).

Very quiet. I wished him a good day and left. His only words aside from the total were “thank you.”

I won a free ticket and another $8 in the lotto. My escape fund is now up to CAN$230 plus $31 of lotto winnings.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:17:50pm

re: #234 makeitstop

From a friend in NYC…

Sorry, FB post was removed. She said that word has it that at 6PM all NYC cabbies are going on strike.

Trump has kicked a hornet’s nest here.

From last night:

Sounds like it’s slowly happening…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:18:25pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:18:25pm

I give you all permission to flame this derp. I don’t want to bother.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:18:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:19:46pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:20:22pm

re: #230 MsJ

Trump bans Canadian dual citizens from those seven countries.

My little beach town gets about a million Canadian visitors a year—hope they’re not dual citizens (my useless rep might have to take a minute away from his keening over the anti-choice folks to make some sort of statement—nah, why would he start now.)

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:21:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:22:16pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:22:24pm

NYC to Trump: FUCK. YOU.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:24:01pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:24:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:24:41pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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Wow not too far from here. I live like a half hour from Dulles.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:26:03pm
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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:29:44pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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Don’t keep tweeting at Donald Trump that President Bannon is controlling him. Mr. Trump might take his revenge out on Steve Bannon and the poor guy might be out of a job.

At this point, I almost wonder since the GOP is in a suicide pact and may not institute an impeachment or XXV Amendment resolution that the best thing might simply be to harass Trump on his favourite platform until he turns on his own staff.

Mr. Trump has to be in control and think people love him. If he thinks his staff is controlling him or lying to him, it might get ugly real fast.

So don’t do any of that stuff to Mr. Trump.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:29:53pm

Been busy most of the day. Are we great again yet?

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:32:01pm

Rep. Keith Ellison calls for ‘mass rallies’ against Trump orders

HOUSTON - Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who in 2007 became the first Muslim member of Congress, said in an interview Saturday that opponents of President Trump’s executive orders on immigration and refugees should oppose them in the streets.

“It’s time for people to get active, to get involved, to vote and to organize,” said Ellison, whose district includes Minneapolis and was in Houston to campaign for chairman of the Democratic National Committee. “Trump must be stopped, and people power is what we have at our disposal to make him stop. We need mass rallies. We need them all over the country. We need them in Texas. We need them in D.C. We need them in Minnesota.”

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:32:15pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:32:26pm
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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:35:05pm

“New York! Get Out to JFK!”
wonkette.com

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:35:10pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
It won’t be long until Trump’s gigantic ego will force him to start brutal crackdowns on protesters. Be prepared for that possibility.
6:25 PM - 28 Jan 2017
17 17 Retweets 36 36 likes

I fear you may be right. I hate thinking about the possibilities of what Trump is capable of trying to pull. I only hope something like that would be seen as a president out of control.

I wonder what kind of pressure we are going to see on the world markets come Monday. This has got to start getting businesses real nervous about direction…and as we all know instability makes market go crazy.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:35:20pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:37:00pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:38:22pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

This executive order seems to be in direct violation of immigration law, though I am not a lawyer. If it is not, someone would have to explain it to me.

law.cornell.edu

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while(1) worries++;  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:39:46pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

We all need several drinks. I has whiskey.

I’m out of rum, but I still have Irish whiskey.

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:40:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:40:25pm

re: #268 while(1) worries++;

I’m out of rum, but I still have Irish whiskey.

Yep I got Irish whiskey too. Wish I had some ginger ale to mix it with.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:41:09pm
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ipsos  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:42:10pm

I went for a drive this afternoon to clear my head. Spent some time out on the snowy roads of rural western New York trying to process the cognitive dissonance - how everything still looks like Normal America on the surface, and if I’d just woken from a months-long nap, I’d never know how much had changed just by looking around me.

I hate what has happened to my country so, so, so much.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:42:10pm

re: #269 stpaulbear

Since she works for Fox, I’m surprised that they didn’t fire her immediately. It violates their narrative.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:42:30pm

re: #212 MsJ

“Because people aren’t enough we need to kill the animals too!”

Fuck me.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:44:03pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

I fear you may be right. I hate thinking about the possibilities of what Trump is capable of trying to pull. I only hope something like that would be seen as a president out of control.

I wonder what kind of pressure we are going to see on the world markets come Monday. This has got to start getting businesses real nervous about direction…and as we all know instability makes market go crazy.

I’ll laugh endlessly when the plutocrats who set up Trump lose gobs of money in a market crash.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:45:28pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

I’ll laugh endlessly when the plutocrats who set up Trump lose gobs of money in a market crash.

Yes, I’d love to see people like Foster Freiss and Sheldon Adelson bankrupt begging for money.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:46:18pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

I’ll laugh endlessly when the plutocrats who set up Trump lose gobs of money in a market crash.

I would laugh endlessly myself, except while they bemoan the loss of their money, I’ll likely be dead. Talk about bottom up. The poor then the middle class then the upper middle class…all gone. But those at the top will just haz a sad about their fucking paper going up in smoke.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:46:20pm

re: #273 Myron Falwell

Since she works for Fox, I’m surprised that they didn’t fire her immediately. It violates their narrative.

If FOX News Channel is starting to show resistance by its presenters on the air, we may be seeing the beginning of the entire conservative propaganda bullshit mountain coming apart as everyone abandons ship.

We can hope, anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:47:12pm

re: #278 Anymouse

If FOX News Channel is starting to show resistance by its presenters on the air, we may be seeing the beginning of the entire conservative propaganda bullshit mountain coming apart as everyone abandons ship.

We can hope, anyway.

Well this was a local affiliate I see. The local affiliates in my observation are different than their national cable counterparts.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:47:18pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:47:29pm

re: #278 Anymouse

If FOX News Channel is starting to show resistance by its presenters on the air, we may be seeing the beginning of the entire conservative propaganda bullshit mountain coming apart as everyone abandons ship.

We can hope, anyway.

It is likely that he swore, not the content. But I didn’t read the article so who knows (Mediaite is a bitch to read…way too much bullshit has to load.)

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:47:53pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

I’ll laugh endlessly when the plutocrats who set up Trump lose gobs of money in a market crash.

I’ve been planning on retiring in two years. I’m not laughing at all.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:48:28pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yes, I’d love to see people like Foster Freiss and Sheldon Adelson bankrupt begging for money.

“Well, guess who’s flat broke and picking up trash for a living!”

Please Be Flanders… (The Simpsons)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:49:05pm

re: #283 Myron Falwell

“Well, guess who’s flat broke and picking up trash for a living!”

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I for one welcome our new Russian overlords.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:49:50pm

re: #278 Anymouse

If FOX News Channel is starting to show resistance by its presenters on the air, we may be seeing the beginning of the entire conservative propaganda bullshit mountain coming apart as everyone abandons ship.

We can hope, anyway.

Only note that it’s WTXF Fox 29 in Philadelphia… owned by Fox but sharing the same upper management.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:50:34pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

I’ll laugh endlessly when the plutocrats who set up Trump lose gobs of money in a market crash.

Wife speculating: Bannon used to work for Goldman Sachs. What if this is one hell of an elaborate short-sell, risking the stability of the country to make a few bucks. Is President Bannon (who should never be referred that way on Trump’s Twitter) that conniving?

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:54:13pm

re: #281 MsJ

It is likely that he swore, not the content. But I didn’t read the article so who knows (Mediaite is a bitch to read…way too much bullshit has to load.)

A TV anchor in Philadelphia has been suspended from Fox 29 over his on-air insult about President Trump’s adviser and former campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway.

Mike Jerrick is a co-host on Good Day Philadelphia, and on Tuesday, he held a discussion on Conway’s recent Meet the Press interview with Chuck Todd. Jerrick was not impressed with Conway’s quote about “alternative facts,” which he made clear when he made the panel laugh by saying “She’s good at bullshit!”

Jerrick apologized for his outburst shortly afterwards, but the station decided suspend him for a week over the incident. A Fox representative gave a statement on the matter to Philadelphia Magazine, where they said Jerrick’s comments were “not in line with FOX Television Stations

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:54:30pm

Sia rocks.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:54:49pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:55:00pm

re: #285 Myron Falwell

Only note that it’s WTXF Fox 29 in Philadelphia… owned by Fox but sharing the same upper management.

I can’t help but read those call letters as “What the Extreme Fuck.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:56:31pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:56:50pm

Has anyone heard on twitter if the cabbie strike in NYC is actually happening?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:57:24pm

Any actual live feeds still going for JFK? Seems periscope and FB ones I’ve found are now looping.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:58:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:58:56pm

re: #289 Kragar

Private security forces?
Rebuilding the military?
Demonizing religious groups?

I swear I’ve heard this story before

Third Century Rome?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:59:02pm
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while(1) worries++;  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:59:14pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Yep I got Irish whiskey too. Wish I had some ginger ale to mix it with.

It goes very well with coffee too.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 3:59:23pm

re: #234 makeitstop

I found a screenshot of what I think was the original post.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:00:40pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:02:12pm
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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:03:49pm

re: #292 stpaulbear

Has anyone heard on twitter if the cabbie strike in NYC is actually happening?

I’m checking on that now.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:03:56pm
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:05:11pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

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And before the yam made his little announcement about how nicely things are working out at the airports, he signed THREE more EOs.

Donald Trump signed three executive orders on Saturday afternoon. One of these addressed lobbying, the second was on the structure of the National Security Council and Homeland Security. Trump then announced that his final executive order was “the plan to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, in other words, ISIS.”

dailykos.com

The yam certainly has had a busy day…

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:06:06pm

re: #290 Interesting Times

I can’t help but read those call letters as “What the Extreme Fuck.”

Well is IS Fox.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:06:46pm
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lizardofid  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:07:02pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Third Century Rome?

We really should of banned that f’n lead paint sooner.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:08:15pm

re: #64 Interesting Times

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When I worked for Amnesty International in the 80s, these were the kind of stories told by political prisoners in dictatorships.

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Sweet Jesus. I got up early, went to the funeral of a 44 year old member of my parish, went back to bed and now get up to this?

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:09:33pm

re: #306 lizardofid

We really should of banned that f’n lead paint sooner.

I don’t think that would have helped this:

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:09:35pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:12:31pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:12:53pm

re: #309 BeachDem

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I miss NY.

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Anymouse  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:13:08pm

Way up the thread, I asked if anyone knew if immigration law as cited by Cornell University meant this EO was unlawful.

The New York Times just answered that: “Yup.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:13:23pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:17:06pm

re: #303 BeachDem

And before the yam made his little announcement about how nicely things are working out at the airports, he signed THREE more EOs.

Donald Trump signed three executive orders on Saturday afternoon. One of these addressed lobbying, the second was on the structure of the National Security Council and Homeland Security. Trump then announced that his final executive order was “the plan to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, in other words, ISIS.”

dailykos.com

The yam certainly has had a busy day…

At least he’s gotten those problems completely solved. Nice.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 4:19:42pm

re: #314 stpaulbear

At least he’s gotten those problems completely solved. Nice.

Easy peasy. Just say the words and it’s done. (WHY hasn’t anyone else ever thought of such a brilliant idea!!)

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2017 • 5:23:31pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

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tRump always draws the biggest crowds.


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