Tonight’s Moving Short Animated Film: “Boles”

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Short Animated film by Špela Čadež | Slovenia / Germany | 2013 | 12 min | 50+ awards | more: finta.si

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based on the short story “Her Lover” by Maksim Gorky | screenwriters: Gregor Zorc, Špela Čadež | main animator: Oliver Throm | puppets, set, props: Žiga Lebar | director of photography: Michael Jörg | editor: Thomas Schmidl | postproduction: Markus Bledowski | voices: Katja Levstik, Gregor Zorc | music: Tomaž Grom | sound: Johanna Herr | producers: Tina Smrekar, Špela Čadež| production: Finta | co-production: Hupefilm | co-funding: SFC – Slovenian Film Centre, Film und Medien Stiftung NRW

SYNOPSIS
Filip lives in a poor neighbourhood. He dreams of writer’s glory and luxurious lifestyle in a more prosperous part of town. One day Filip gets a knock on the door. His neighbour Tereza, an older prostitute that Filip tries to avoid by all means, asks him to write a letter for her fiancé. Filip agrees. And it would all end up fine if a week later Tereza would not show up at his doorstep again, asking him to write an answer to the previous letter.

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electrotek  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:36:53pm

Repost from downstairs:

Facebook Post

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:40:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:40:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:43:19pm
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ipsos  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:44:30pm

Reality has started Gish Galloping all of us.

How do we keep up?

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:45:18pm

This is beyond fucking insane.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:45:36pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:46:50pm

re: #5 ipsos

Reality has started Gish Galloping all of us.

How do we keep up?

Massive quantities of LSD, I hope. We have to be as crazy as they are!

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:50:46pm

re: #6 Kragar

Makes sense when your goal is to unravel the fabric of America.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:50:51pm

re: #7 Kragar

I wouldn’t rule out Canada declaring war against the United States alongside Mexico, with proxy support and encouragement from China.

I also wish I could use the //// tag.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:53:14pm

re: #6 Kragar

This is beyond fucking insane.

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Yeah, let’s let that sink in: When considering matters of national security, the Chief Strategist will have equal say to Secretary of Defense, while the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will only be granted chairs when the subject under discussion concerns them.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:53:42pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

How would a for-profit campaign group work?

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:53:51pm
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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:55:32pm

re: #10 Myron Falwell

I wouldn’t rule out Canada declaring war against the United States alongside Mexico, with proxy support and encouragement from China.

I also wish I could use the //// tag.

Germany and France too if a Free EU survives.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:33pm

re: #9 JasonA

Makes sense when your goal is to unravel the fabric of America.

The divide is strictly ideological. It wouldn’t be that hard to unravel it all, and Bannon already had a head start with Breitbart poisoning the minds of the entire GOP rank-and-file.

Whomever wrote Amerika was a fucking clairvoyant.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:40pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

That’s why the Trump campaign filed to trade mark “Keep America Great”

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:56:59pm

As a DFW resident, I like it when big white guys with mustaches show up to protest injustice.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:57:01pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:57:21pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Yeah, let’s let that sink in: When considering matters of national security, the Chief Strategist will have equal say to Secretary of Defense, while the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will only be granted chairs when the subject under discussion concerns them.

Trump/Bannon are actually hoping for another large-scale terrorist attack just so they can crack down on everyone.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:57:23pm

2009-2012: “Obama has never stopped campaigning! He’s always running for office! Every speech he gives is for the purpose of getting reelected!”

2017: *crickets*

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:02pm

My country is becoming unrecognizable in no time flat. It’s only been a week.

*shudder*

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:06pm

re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump/Bannon are actually hoping for another large-scale terrorist attack just so they can crack down on everyone.

And when that happens, everything simply blows up.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:17pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:40pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2017 • 9:59:55pm

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:06:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

There was wide assumption the WH statement on Holocaust didn’t mention Jews as some kind of goof. Hicks says no

jeez…
I wonder what would have happened if Pres. Obama had had made such an omission???

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electrotek  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:06:54pm

Check who is in the header/banner of the Twitter user. It will shock/amuse you.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:08:08pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:10:04pm

re: #28 JasonA

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It’s also a fucking joke in light of the evidence, as has been brought up numerously, that the countries that have presented the greatest danger to the US in the past 40+ years are totally absent from the EO.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:10:40pm

re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump/Bannon are actually hoping for another large-scale terrorist attack just so they can crack down on everyone.

When you look at the swiftness and broadness of the “Muslim ban”, combined with Bannon being installed to the NSC and made more important and influential than the fucking Director of National Intelligence and the CJCS, you see that the pump is being primed exactly for the scenario you describe. Because, then, under pretense of “national security” as a “wartime President”, Trump (or, rather, Bannon, who’s coming to be the real power behind the throne, even more so than Kushner) can basically suppress the types of large-scale protests we’ve seen since he took office and head off any other means of dissension or opposition (see the re-election filing on Inauguration Day that basically just kneecapped any opposition from any non-profit orgs, such as Democratic PACs, PP, and others opposed to Trump and the GOP, for the next four years under pain of losing their IRS non-profit status for “electioneering”).

Trump, Bannon, and Co. are moving with a quickness to consolidate power; goddamn, this is so fucking bad.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:11:14pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:11:20pm

re: #6 Kragar

This is beyond fucking insane.

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Reinhardt Bannon may be biting off more than he can chew when he starts degrading the generals. Hard to tell exactly how they’ll react, since noone has ever actually tried it.

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electrotek  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:12:54pm
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prairiefire  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:13:00pm

Tsunami backlash coming!

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:13:37pm

re: #31 JasonA

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:13:52pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:14:10pm

re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus

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Thanks for putting it all together—my meme ability is minimal at best.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:15:09pm

re: #30 TedStriker

When you look at the swiftness and broadness of the “Muslim ban”, combined with Bannon being install to the NSC and made more important and influential than the fucking Director of National Intelligence and the CJCS, you see that the pump is being primed exactly for the scenario you describe. Because, then, under pretense of “national security” as a “wartime President”, Trump (or, rather, Bannon, who’s coming to be the real power behind the throne, even more so than Kushner) can basically suppress the types of large-scale protests we’ve seen since he took office and head off any other means of dissension or opposition (see the re-election filing on Inauguration Day that basically just kneecapped any opposition from any non-profit orgs under pain of losing their IRS non-profit status for “electioneering”).

Trump, Bannon, and Co. are moving with a quickness to consolidate power; goddamn, this is so fucking bad.

Now that can’t be, I was assured repeatedly last week on this very board that that can’t happen. People won’t stand for it and something will be done to stop him.

/

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:15:49pm

re: #30 TedStriker

It’s tough watching a republic die. Even worse when the ensuing rebellion against such totalitarianism acts will result in outright anarchy and a total disintegration of order.

And when Bannon orders the execution of protestors, he’ll create political martyrs that will be used against him.

This is the collapse of Romania all over again.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:17:21pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Now that can’t be, I was assured repeatedly last week on this very board that that can’t happen. People won’t stand for it and something will be done to stop him.

/

Well, TBH, we also didn’t have the benefit of what’s been happening over the past day to add into the mix, so there’s that.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:19:28pm
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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:20:46pm

re: #33 electrotek

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I literally pointed at my screen and angrily said “Fuck you.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:20:46pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Reinhardt Bannon may be biting off more than he can chew when he starts degrading the generals. Hard to tell exactly how they’ll react, since noone has ever actually tried it.

It might be problematic when Bannon tries to go full Hitler and they refuse to act, or worse, rebel against him/them.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:21:31pm

re: #39 Myron Falwell

It’s tough watching a republic die. Even worse when the ensuing rebellion against such totalitarianism acts will result in outright anarchy and a total disintegration of order.

And when Bannon orders the execution of protestors, he’ll create political martyrs that will be used against him.

This is the collapse of Romania all over again.

You will have to have some faith. This isn’t the first time there have been clashes between protesters and the government, and the government trying to impose itself.

I wish things weren’t having to change. I would much rather be just concentrating on learning how to write a programming language and how to do hardware and software for Raspberry Pi. But our routines are having to change, and its uncomfortable and scary, and it feels like the end of everything. But it doesn’t have to be for the country. It just means that the path we wanted to take through life is changed or temporarily veered off track.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:22:37pm

re: #43 Myron Falwell

It might be problematic when Bannon tries to go full Hitler and they refuse to act, or worse, rebel against him/them.

Like what I said in my #36.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:23:22pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Like what I said in my #32.

We can’t read it; you made it only to SK.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:23:34pm

re: #33 electrotek

I went to that person’s timeline and every other post slings the N-word around.

I have zero fucks to give about her or her husband.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:23:52pm

re: #46 TedStriker

We can’t read it.

The public part.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:24:33pm

re: #48 Belafon

The public part.

D’oh!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:24:48pm

re: #46 TedStriker

We can’t read it.

Actually, it was my #36 - I fixed that. Here’s my comment:

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I hope it never comes to that.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:25:43pm
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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:25:46pm

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Actually, it was my #36 - I fixed that. Here’s my comment:

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I hope it never comes to that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:26:04pm

re: #40 TedStriker

Well, TBH, we also didn’t have the benefit of what’s been happening over the past day to add into the mix, so there’s that.

Folks like myself were saying aloud how quickly shit can go sideways when a democracy dissolves into a dictatorship, and the response was that that was hyperbole and hysteria, that people wouldn’t go for such and would fight back. That America is too robust a democracy to ever let such things happen.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:26:37pm

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:26:57pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Folks like myself were saying aloud how quickly shit can go sideways when a democracy dissolves into a dictatorship, and the response was that that was hyperbole and hysteria, that people wouldn’t go for such and would fight back. That America is too robust a democracy to ever let such things happen.

To be fair, though, people are fighting back.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:27:01pm

Sigh. Of course.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:27:52pm

re: #56 MsJ

Sigh. Of course.

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Saw that and replied to them:

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:29:24pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:29:36pm

re: #55 Belafon

To be fair, though, people are fighting back.

People are speaking out, but they only have power to a point. And only until a major disaster happens that can be used to invoke the “rally around the flag” effect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:30:30pm

re: #58 JasonA

Some of those Border Patrol guys are real jackasses.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:30:45pm

re: #58 JasonA

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To all those pundits who pondered their navels last year: THIS is what a constitutional crisis looks like.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:32:50pm

Bannon may be angling to sideline the military entirely by forcing them to refuse illegal orders. He can then have an excuse to raise a “Trump Guard” of vigilantes and militia nuts to deal with large scale protests. When I saw the drunkards of the “Bikers for Trump” declaring that they were in DC to “protect the inauguration” I was reminded of Putin’s use of motorcycle gangs in Ukraine and Crimea. Given Bannon’s RWNJ cedentials, the administration might intend to eventually rely on irregular forces to enforce their power. Erik Prince, who knows more about extra-governmental forces than anyone else, is only a phone call away and his nutcake sister is already in the Cabinet.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:33:29pm

re: #58 JasonA

They’re gonna have to send in the US Marshals Service to enforce the court order and place the CBP agents under arrest for contempt of court if they refuse to comply.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:34:05pm

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Actually, it was my #36 - I fixed that. Here’s my comment:

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I hope it never comes to that.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:34:45pm
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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:35:50pm

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

They’re gonna have to send in the US Marshals Service to enforce the court order and place the CBP agents under arrest for contempt of court if they refuse to comply.

And, while federal law enforcement agencies are squaring off against each other, TrumpBannonCo can fuck things up further.

This is the most high-stakes game of Three-Card Monte I’ve ever heard of….and we’re all caught in the fucking middle of it.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:36:15pm

re: #39 Myron Falwell

It’s tough watching a republic die. Even worse when the ensuing rebellion against such totalitarianism acts will result in outright anarchy and a total disintegration of order.

And when Bannon orders the execution of protestors, he’ll create political martyrs that will be used against him.

This is the collapse of Romania all over again.

More like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. There will end up being 3 to 6 balkanized states that will be fighting each other for decades. Putin will laugh all the way till the Chinese squish him leaving the EU and Chinese Empire as the two long-term powers.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:37:18pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:37:23pm

re: #64 Myron Falwell

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:38:19pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

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Yeah, pretty much in the same fucking boat as you:

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:39:21pm

If this doesn’t make chills run up your spine…

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen — did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President’s inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

cnn.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:40:17pm

re: #67 William Lewis

More like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. There will end up being 3 to 6 balkanized states that will be fighting each other for decades. Putin will laugh all the way till the Chinese squish him leaving the EU and Chinese Empire as the two long-term powers.

That would be one of the most massive realignments of global geopolitics since the end of WWI. May you live in interesting times, indeed.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:40:23pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:40:57pm

re: #71 BeachDem

If this doesn’t make chills run up your spine…

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen — did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President’s inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

cnn.com

Stephen Bannon is the modern-day incarnation of Martin Bormann.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:41:03pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart

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Which makes perfect sense in light of years of insistence from wingnuts that every…single…immigrant to these shores that is not Christian and white as a sheet is suspect.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:41:08pm

re: #70 TedStriker

LET’S GET RED-PILLED! US MEN ARE EMASCULATED AS IT IS!

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:41:34pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart

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Damn, I’m slow on the draw tonight.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:41:46pm

Oh, I totally glossed over this.

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TedStriker  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:42:56pm

re: #65 FormerDirtDart

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re: #71 BeachDem

If this doesn’t make chills run up your spine…

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen — did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President’s inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

cnn.com

Notice, the override came from his political advisers, who shouldn’t have the legal authority to override DHS on anything, and not from Dear Leader himself.

This is completely fucked.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:43:56pm

re: #77 BeachDem

Damn, I’m slow on the draw tonight.

How about tequila?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:45:40pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

The military is going to revolt and fight against those MAGAguards. Never assume that victory is assured (the Civil War taught us that) but if the MAGAguards last longer than two years fighting, the military would have failed us.

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:46:22pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

How about tequila?

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Well yeah, there’s that—I already overdonated to the ACLU, but I was typing fast.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:46:31pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:47:24pm

re: #78 JasonA

Oh, I totally glossed over this.

I can’t remember any time where the losing candidate in a presidential election openly goes after the winner eight days into the new administration like that.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:47:55pm

I loved Alan Rickman in ‘Dogma.’ He played a great Voice of God.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:49:32pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

That would be one of the most massive realignments of global geopolitics since the end of WWI. May you live in interesting times, indeed.

The Chinese are bigger, stronger and their corruption problem is nowhere near as bad as Russia. I expect the Chinese government to simply over run them economically as they make up for the loss of American markets.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:50:22pm
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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:51:20pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:51:33pm

re: #86 William Lewis

The Chinese are bigger, stronger and their corruption problem is nowhere near as bad as Russia. I expect the Chinese government to simply over run them economically as they make up for the loss of American markets.

For all of Putin’s posturing and bluster, Russia is definitely the second banana in that relationship.

It must kill him a little bit inside when he thinks about that and seeing as Putin is not a stupid man, I’m sure he does from time to time.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:52:10pm

re: #67 William Lewis

More like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. There will end up being 3 to 6 balkanized states that will be fighting each other for decades. Putin will laugh all the way till the Chinese squish him leaving the EU and Chinese Empire as the two long-term powers.

Precisely the scenario I have been fearing. The US collapses and breaks into pieces. Putin succeeds where Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev failed. Finally, Russia successfully destabilizes us.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:52:30pm

re: #88 JasonA

We may be saying “Acting President Mattis” sooner than we think.

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JasonA  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:54:01pm

re: #91 Myron Falwell

We may be saying “Acting President Mattis” sooner than we think.

This is not the worst case scenario.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:55:38pm

Huh. Just noticed. For the time being I have 500 Twitter followers. Most of them are real!

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Bass Reeves  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:55:42pm

re: #92 JasonA

ALL of the scenarios are worst case. A military coup would be just as unconstitutional and republic-shattering as the rest of them.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:56:34pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

I loved Alan Rickman in ‘Dogma.’ He played a great Voice of God.

“Tell someone you’re the Metatron and they stare at you blankly. Mention something out of a Charlton Heston movie and suddenly everyone’s a theology scholar, may I finish?!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:58:08pm

re: #94 Bass Reeves

ALL of the scenarios are worst case. A military coup would be just as unconstitutional and republic-shattering as the rest of them.

True, but in this case, there would at least be the pretext of “upholding and defending the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic”.

That being said, it’s utterly horrifying to contemplate - not only from the constitutional aspect but from the absolute F5 shitnado it would unleash.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 10:58:36pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:01:05pm
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Joe Bacon  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:04:18pm

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot…

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Moebym  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:05:04pm
A Texas mosque was set on fire just hours after Trump signed an executive order restricting migration from Muslim-majority countries.

The Islamic Center of Victoria was set on fire around 2 a.m. on Saturday, according to local reports.

thinkprogress.org

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:06:10pm

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

True, but in this case, there would at least be the pretext of “upholding and defending the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic”.

That being said, it’s utterly horrifying to contemplate - not only from the constitutional aspect but from the absolute F5 shitnado it would unleash.

Since the GOP is in their suicide pact and will refuse to invoke Amendment 25, there would be an additional pretext due to their outright dereliction of duty on the matter.

In fact, EVERY single measure meant as a stopgap — from primaries, to the general election, to the electoral college — wound up failing us bigly.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:06:36pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

People are speaking out, but they only have power to a point. And only until a major disaster happens that can be used to invoke the “rally around the flag” effect.

At this point, if we are attacked, I’m not sure if everyone will rally around the flag. It’s hard to rally after getting what you’ve asked for.

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HypnoToad  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:08:36pm

Are Putin and Bannon cooperating, or competing to control Trump? Does one want to destabilize the U.S., the other destroy it? Can either keep things from going nuclear if the shitgibbon loses it completely?

I’m not in a good place tonight.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:09:10pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

Bannon may be angling to sideline the military entirely by forcing them to refuse illegal orders. He can then have an excuse to raise a “Trump Guard” of vigilantes and militia nuts to deal with large scale protests. When I saw the drunkards of the “Bikers for Trump” declaring that they were in DC to “protect the inauguration” I was reminded of Putin’s use of motorcycle gangs in Ukraine and Crimea. Given Bannon’s RWNJ cedentials, the administration might intend to eventually rely on irregular forces to enforce their power. Erik Prince, who knows more about extra-governmental forces than anyone else, is only a phone call away and his nutcake sister is already in the Cabinet.

Imagine the irony if the militias come to our rescue from a trump coup d’etat.

I’m wondering how the military would react.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:10:03pm

Anymouse, what do you think your neighbors think about this ban? If Hillary had showed up in that area, would they be against something like this?

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:10:46pm

One last image and I’m out for the night.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:11:37pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

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That’s just it, Keith, the same nimrods who think that this ban would have prevented that shooting are the same ones who were convinced that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

And we all remember how well telling them that wasn’t true worked out, right?/////

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:11:39pm

re: #102 MsJ

At this point, if we are attacked, I’m not sure if everyone will rally around the flag. It’s hard to rally after getting what you’ve asked for.

Exactly. Trump is so hated that there wouldn’t be a rallying cry but massive civil disobedience, rejecting the government and the flag.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:12:39pm

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

True, but in this case, there would at least be the pretext of “upholding and defending the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic”.

That being said, it’s utterly horrifying to contemplate - not only from the constitutional aspect but from the absolute F5 shitnado it would unleash.

The military could well be acting under a court order in that scenario. I see the worst case, civil war, as essentially based on conflict between the judiciary and the constitutional military on one side, with the lawless executive branch on the other. The latter would be supported by some (but not all) law enforcement agencies and a veritable menagerie of irregular, mercenary, and militia forces.
For example; if, say Franklin Graham issued a call for volunteers to man roadblocks to look for Muslims the godless courts had let into the country, the response would be enormous.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:12:52pm

re: #108 Myron Falwell

Isn’t that the goal?

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:13:24pm

re: #81 Myron Falwell

The military is going to revolt and fight against those MAGAguards. Never assume that victory is assured (the Civil War taught us that) but if the MAGAguards last longer than two years fighting, the military would have failed us.

Don’t imagine all the military is against him.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:14:13pm

re: #110 Bass Reeves

Isn’t that the goal?

It is indeed. Mass chaos and resistance provides cause for a major federal crackdown. After all, what are Republicans going to do, come out against such a crackdown and take the side of those that their base view as “terrorist sympathizers”?

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:14:15pm

re: #99 Joe Bacon

Notice how it’s “Defend Trump”, not “defend the immigration ban” or “Obamacare repeal” or other action. It’s all personal, a complete cult of personality centered on him as an individual rather than his platform or policies and plans. It’s truly frightening that so many are this committed to him.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:18:39pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:18:44pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

It is indeed. Mass chaos and resistance provides cause for a major federal crackdown. After all, what are Republicans going to do, come out against such a crackdown and take the side of those that their base view as “terrorist sympathizers”?

The Republican Party is the enemy of the state. No other way around it.

If such a crackdown happens like this Muslim Ban fiasco was rolled out, they will lose total control in a hurry.

And that will force the hand of the military if they view a coup d’etat as necessary.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:20:02pm

re: #111 MsJ

Don’t imagine all the military is against him.

But Mattis is still somewhat respected. They would be fighting for him.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:20:04pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:21:32pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

Mighty fucking big of them.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:22:34pm

A few things before I head to bed. The first item is very important, so please RT if you’re on Twitter:

An explanation of what it all means, legally speaking:

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:22:47pm

re: #116 Myron Falwell

But Mattis is still somewhat respected. They would be fighting for him.

Let’s see how *he* plays out. Right now, I have no faith in anything trump. And he has the trump taint.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:24:07pm
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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:25:07pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

I had to look that last part up.

The Brooklyn mom charged with beating her 4-year-old son to death with a broomstick was once married to the boy’s father — a South Bronx psychopath who killed and decapitated his mother, according to family members.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:25:39pm

re: #120 MsJ

Let’s see how *he* plays out. Right now, I have no faith in anything trump. And he has the trump taint.

Outside of all the shitty scenarios, Mattis is probably the least shitty. Which is admittedly like calling yourself the world’s tallest little person.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:26:15pm

re: #122 MsJ

I had to look that last part up.

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Wrong link. Sorry.

nydailynews.com

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Bass Reeves  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:26:40pm

re: #123 Myron Falwell

Remember how Shinseki got treated in the run up to Iraq?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:27:10pm

re: #120 MsJ

Let’s see how *he* plays out. Right now, I have no faith in anything trump. And he has the trump taint.

That’s true. But recall the Erwin Rommel had that with Hitler. But when push come to shove, he chose the side of righteousness in the July 20th Plot. It is reported that he said, “Gentlemen, I believe it is my duty to come to the rescue of Germany.”

He paid for that with his life.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:31:14pm

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

Rommel chose not to join the plotters, but also did not tell Hitler about the conspiracy.

That is why Hitler gave him the option of committing suicide versus executing his whole family as traitors.

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:36:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:37:05pm

It just dawned on me what possible areas of concern that the National Security Council could be meeting to discuss that don’t fall within the “responsibilities and expertise” of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence…

Domestic

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:37:25pm

re: #127 Kragar

Rommel chose not to join the plotters, but also did not tell Hitler about the conspiracy.

That is why Hitler gave him the option of committing suicide versus executing his whole family as traitors.

I’d read that Rommel had cast in his lot with the July 20th plotters - the reason he was allowed to commit suicide was because he was considered a national hero and the scandal would’ve been badly damaging to German morale at the time.

To me, it’s hard to say; I’ve read conflicting accounts - and it’s even harder to ascertain the truth because of course the July 20th plotters were all killed under Hitler’s orders and there’s very limited documentation from the plotters themselves as to their plans and preparations.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:43:35pm
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Kragar  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:44:49pm

We’ve been paying to keep Red States afloat for years. If Trump tries to cut us off from our own money, this seems only fair.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:47:59pm

re: #120 MsJ

Let’s see how *he* plays out. Right now, I have no faith in anything trump. And he has the trump taint.

I’ll admit he’s a pretty thin reed but institutionally the military will not support a rogue executive, since such a regime is a threat to its institutional existence. This is especially so with Trump-Bannon since the latter are closely affiliated with foreign powers who would like nothing better than to see US military power destroyed completely. Pro-Trump sentiment within the military would manifest itself in individual desertions to the Trump forces, possibly a lot of them. Mercenary kingpin and Trump friend Erik Prince actually has some experience with this since he made a concerted effort to poach active military personnel for his Blackwater gang.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:51:43pm

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2017 • 11:52:57pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

I’ll admit he’s a pretty thin reed but institutionally the military will not support a rogue executive, since such a regime is a threat to its institutional existence. This is especially so with Trump-Bannon since the latter are closely affiliated with foreign powers who would like nothing better than to see US military power destroyed completely. Pro-Trump sentiment within the military would manifest itself in individual desertions to the Trump forces, possibly a lot of them. Mercenary kingpin and Trump friend Erik Prince actually has some experience with this since he made a concerted effort to poach active military personnel for his Blackwater gang.

I’d be curious how many active military members know that. How many follow politics like we do?

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Alyosha  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:01:52am

Usually a good follow.
Some people will always want the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Whatever.

Okay buddy.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:02:32am

re: #135 MsJ

I’d be curious how many active military members know that. How many follow politics like we do?

If they don’t know, the chain of command will ensure that they find out. It’s also worth noting that the military is incomparably more diverse and inclusive than any of the undoubted pro-Trump factions.

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:12:09am

I wonder.

Runaway

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:19:50am

re: #138 teleskiguy

I too wonder if that may well be legit. If it is, those guys and gals are unsung heroes.

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:28:36am
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TedStriker  Jan 29, 2017 • 12:29:59am

re: #140 Kragar

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 1:44:45am
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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 2:02:33am
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Alyosha  Jan 29, 2017 • 2:20:22am

re: #143 Kragar

I’ve had fun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 2:39:14am

re: #8 Single-handed sailor

Massive quantities of LSD ketamine, I hope. We have to be as crazy as they are!

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Lupin  Jan 29, 2017 • 3:01:21am

You know what makes me mad — that Trump lays waste to the US is a logical consequence of the elections. Enough Americans had to vote for him in order for him to be able to take advantage of an antiquated dysfunctional electoral system. Fair enough.

But the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Belgians, etc. didn’t vote of him, and yet he’s crapping all over our countries, destabilizing our world.

As French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron said yesterday:

What’s happening today with Trump’s first statements and choices is extremely serious and worrying. It’s firstly a choice that it will be an America that provokes … an America that destabilizes things that have been built for decades. It signifies that the US will no longer be in a position to co-organize globalization and be the world’s policeman with the European Union. The unpredictable choices, the outbursts and the inward-looking United States of Trump no longer guarantees Europe’s security.

This ids not going to end well.

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 3:07:08am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 3:09:47am

re: #147 Kragar

Bannon looks like he drank an alcoholic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 3:22:05am

re: #148 Dr Lizardo

Bannon looks like he drank an alcoholic.

all that’s missing is the pair of sun-bleached crocs on his feet

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steve_davis  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:05:41am

re: #28 JasonA

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I as judge: “so the executive branch’s position is that they have the right to deny due process to people on American soil because of a non-specific threat, specifically targeting countries that not coincidentally don’t do business with the Trump organization?”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:16:20am

re: #150 steve_davis

I as judge: “so the executive branch’s position is that they have the right to deny due process to people on American soil because of a non-specific threat, specifically targeting countries that not coincidentally don’t do business with the Trump organization?”

Heh, maybe Trump’s angle is that these countries on the list will notice that the countries not on the list are good to go, so they’ll all be calling up Trump at the White House, asking to swing some deal.

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fern01  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:19:12am

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

Heh, maybe Trump’s angle is that these countries on the list will notice that the countries not on the list are good to go, so they’ll all be calling up Trump at the White House, asking to swing some deal.

That is ALWAYS Trump’s angle. He is going to walk out of the White House with the billions he lied about having in the past.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:27:02am

Another avenue of escape cut off.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:31:19am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

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Another avenue of escape cut off.

Whoever’s running that has to be having the time of their life.

Seriously though, could you imagine the DPRK announcing they’ll take in American asylum seekers? Believe it or not, I could actually see them doing something that zany as some kind of propaganda stunt.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:46:38am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

There is nothing this admin does that is by mistake. They are purposefully acting in the manner we see.

Whether it’s actively omitting references to Jews and the anti-Semitism that spurred the Holocaust and murder of 6 million (yes, there is proof of this Rage fuckin’ Furby) or it’s enacting a Muslim ban (and when the intent and purpose is to ban Muslims, it’s unconstitutional in fact and as applied) but then not giving time or guidance to enforce it properly or consistently, it’s all designed to undermine the federal government’s job and authority.

This reeks of Bannon, whose ultimate goal is to see the federal government collapse. Trump is his means to that end. Trump’s giving Bannon free reign to do as he likes.

And the GOP does nothing because they’re continuing to think that Trump is giving them what they want - power.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:47:38am

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

Canada, however, is accepting refugees refused entry by the US.

Again.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:51:26am

re: #155 lawhawk

Restructuring the NSC to make it more like the RSHA? Good lord. That’s all American fucking needs.

And with Bannon as some kind of horrific hybrid of Martin Bormann, Heinrich Himmler and Reinhardt Heydrich. Yeesh. Glad I’m living here, though of course, there’s no really place to run.

Well, except maybe North Korea, but……yeah, fuck that.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:58:33am

From Twitter:
United States Trends * Change
#StopPresidentBannon
@peterdaou, @EisenhowerTime and 7 more are Tweeting about this
#deleteuber
People are deleting Uber after servicing rides at JFK airport

If you thought Trump’s first week in office was batcrap insane, stay around for week 2; it’s gonna be in…. sane.. (cue Crazy Eddie)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:59:25am

re: #158 lawhawk

Why are people deleting Uber? I don’t get it.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 4:59:49am

When Kim Kardashian has more sense than Trump and his cabal of cronies…

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sagehen  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:01:12am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Why are people deleting Uber? I don’t get it.

Because it has records of who went where.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:01:17am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Why are people deleting Uber? I don’t get it.

Most cabbies were refusing to service the airport in response to the detentions, apparently Uber had no problem doing it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:01:26am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Why are people deleting Uber? I don’t get it.

Uber apparently upped its rates because NYC cabbies were refusing service to/from JFK for a while.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:02:55am

While Trump is busy tweeting away and pushing an illegal Muslim ban, the military is still out there and going after terror groups.

It will be interesting to see how Trump responds to the loss of the service member in the pursuit of these terrorists.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:03:16am

re: #161 sagehen

re: #162 Timothy Watson

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Ah, OK. All of that makes sense. I’ve never used Uber, so I’m not familiar with them, aside from their jacking up rates during peak hours, which I’ve read about.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:06:23am

re: #164 lawhawk

Maybe he’ll say, I ONLY LIKE SOLDIERS WHO DON’T GET KILLED!!

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:07:32am

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Actually, it wasn’t that they upped rates. They overrode the function that increases rates during high request periods.

Uber was trying to fill the slack left as cabbies struck to protest the ban - given that many cabbies are themselves immigrants from countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other countries around the world.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:23:41am

So far, I agree with the first sentence, but the second doesn’t flow from the first. In fact, it’s all the more reason to worry - that these unprepared, incompetent, and downright unqualified picks are going to push destructive policies at the behest of an administration whose intent is to gut the federal government.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:27:24am

Still think Clinton was worse than Trump. Ask yourself if Clinton would ever have issued a clearly unconstitutional EO whose intent and purpose was to ban Muslims from entering the US.

Or that Clinton would gut the NSC by inserting a white supremacist/neo Nazi into the national security process - Bannon.

Or.. oh just fuckit - there’s no comparison between the two.

It wasn’t just policy or temperament. It was the whole package. She was competent and understood policy. Trump’s just taking a blowtorch and pliers to government and watching it all burn. He’s an arsonist enabling other arsonists, and no one in the US ultimately benefits; but neo Nazis, white supremacists, and Russia does.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:28:10am

re: #168 lawhawk

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So far, I agree with the first sentence, but the second doesn’t flow from the first. In fact, it’s all the more reason to worry - that these unprepared, incompetent, and downright unqualified picks are going to push destructive policies at the behest of an administration whose intent is to gut the federal government.

Precisely. Trump will do what Bannon, et al, advise him on. He doesn’t seem to have much of an independent mind - not to mention he seems to have a noticeable lack of intellectual curiosity.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:35:48am

The overnight news seems to have been positive, if the border police are actually complying with the judges’ orders. Mailing a check to ACLU, which is cheaper and easier than cash purchases of small lots of 12 gauge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:37:51am

The Muslim Ban and The Wall are both there to serve a symbolic purpose: to show our national resolve to remain pure and untainted from foreign imperfections.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:38:08am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

The overnight news seems to have been positive, if the border police are actually complying with the judges’ orders. Mailing a check to ACLU, which is cheaper and easier than cash purchases of small lots of 12 gauge.

I’ve heard there are groups of border police that are in fact refusing to comply with the court orders. I haven’t seen anything yet to indicate otherwise.

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weave  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:38:15am

Hmm, I want to believe this is a legit account…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:40:12am

re: #174 weave

I gotta admit, I think this might actually be the real deal. However’s running the account might not actually be WH staff, but they might be connected to people who are, and that’s who’s feeding them the info, and then they’re posting it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:40:32am

re: #155 lawhawk

The collapse will come sooner than we think; it will be swift, and it will be sudden. And Bannon et. al will be removed either peacefully or otherwise.

That’s the one thing I don’t get about Bannon. We all know that he fashions himself as a Leninist, but he is trying to force the self-destruction of the federal government while already in power. Lenin and his acolytes deposed of the tsars almost entirely from the outside.

The inevitable purge of anyone tied to Trump from such a collapse — or hostile takeover by the military — means that Bannon is a target for removal if he doesn’t do so earlier.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:42:50am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:44:32am

re: #174 weave

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

It’s also there to take Trump/Bannon’s tactic of bullshittery and lying “alternative facts” and use it entirely against them.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:44:42am

re: #176 Myron Falwell

Bannon fancies himself a Leninist only in the sense that Lenin was a revolutionary and he and his merry band of Bolsheviks destroyed the Tsarist autocracy and then replaced it with an autocracy of their own. Bannon considers himself a revolutionary, and once he’s destroyed the government as it currently is, then he and his merry band of nihilists, neo-Nazis, revanchists, etc., will replace that with a government of their own design.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:50:01am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Bannon fancies himself a Leninist only in the sense that Lenin was a revolutionary and he and his merry band of Bolsheviks destroyed the Tsarist autocracy and then replaced it with an autocracy of their own. Bannon considers himself a revolutionary, and once he’s destroyed the government as it currently is, then he and his merry band of nihilists, neo-Nazis, revanchists, etc., will replace that with a government of their own design.

So Walter Sobchak was right all along.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:53:18am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

That would imply that he’s able to save his own drunken ass when everything fucking comes down.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:54:25am

re: #132 Kragar

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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:55:07am

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Good morning!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:55:07am

re: #181 Myron Falwell

That would imply that he’s able to save his own drunken ass when everything fucking comes down.

Yeah, and that’s a mighty big “if”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 5:56:08am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

So Walter Sobchak was right all along.

What’s even funnier? Walter Sobchak was largely based on John Milius. LOL.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:01:30am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, and that’s a mighty big “if”.

It scares me to consider if Trump and Bannon actually HAD a remote inkling of political discipline.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:02:50am

Deleted—wrong comment…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:05:35am

Deleted duplicate…

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:07:18am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:10:38am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

What’s even funnier? Walter Sobchak was largely based on John Milius. LOL.

Heh. Had to look him up.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:13:06am
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Donkey With No Name  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:16:43am

re: #174 weave

If Trump does order border agents to ignore court orders, that does sound like grounds for impeachment.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:16:44am

Grandson1 has developed a good sense of snark for a 6 year old:

Mom: “You get no TV until you clean up the mess you made last night.”
(GS1 disappears into bedroom, returns wearing a headscarf, carrying a broom.)
GS1: “Alexa, play ‘It’s a Hard Knock Life’.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:17:47am

re: #192 Donkey With No Name

If Trump does order border agents to ignore court orders, that does sound like grounds for impeachment.

I would think so, personally. Whether the GOP does is another matter.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:17:51am

This reminds me of the Three Stooges’ “Say something!”/”Something” gag.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:20:52am

re: #195 Myron Falwell

This reminds me of the Three Stooges’ “Say something!”/”Something” gag.

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Better than nothing I guess

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:21:42am

re: #192 Donkey With No Name

If Trump does order border agents to ignore court orders, that does sound like grounds for impeachment.

Yes I think it would be but would the GOP impeach him as said? I really have my doubts.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:23:02am

This was a proposal for national security claiming to “extreme vet” those coming to the US. The EO wasn’t run past any of the adults in the room - not DOJ. Not DoD. Not NSA. Not CIA. Not anyone outside Bannon and the cabal of cronies Trump assembled.

The people who have the most intimate knowledge of existing policy were excluded. The people who want to push an Islamophobia plan the sole intent of which was to impose a Muslim ban were heard from.

They admit as much. It is a Muslim ban that is on its face unconstitutional. Anyone who defends it is lying.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:24:48am

re: #198 lawhawk

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This was a proposal for national security claiming to “extreme vet” those coming to the US. The EO wasn’t run past any of the adults in the room - not DOJ. Not DoD. Not NSA. Not CIA. Not anyone outside Bannon and the cabal of cronies Trump assembled.

The people who have the most intimate knowledge of existing policy were excluded. The people who want to push an Islamophobia plan the sole intent of which was to impose a Muslim ban were heard from.

They admit as much. It is a Muslim ban that is on its face unconstitutional. Anyone who defends it is lying.

Apparently, Rudy Giuliani is taking some credit for it. thehill.com

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:25:54am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yes I think it would be but would the GOP impeach him as said? I really have my doubts.

That opens up the ultimate can of worms. If the GOP fails to do anything, and other stopgaps fail to do anything… then the utterly unthinkable — a military coup d’etat — becomes necessary.

Either that or a total collapse and disintegration of social order where we become Yugoslavia Redux.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:27:51am

re: #199 Dr Lizardo

Rudy was the one who proposed and got the NYPD to engage in surveillance on mosques in NYC - and across in NJ.

That did nothing to actually improve security or uncover terror plots. But it did have a chilling effect on the 1A. And Rudy still lies about the track record.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:29:18am

I just feel so sick about all this.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:30:07am

re: #200 Myron Falwell

That opens up the ultimate can of worms. If the GOP fails to do anything, and other stopgaps fail to do anything… then the utterly unthinkable — a military coup d’etat — becomes necessary.

Either that or a total collapse and disintegration of social order where we become Yugoslavia Redux.

You know what the GOP would probably do? They’ll censure him and that’s probably it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:41:06am

So, as in the closing line of this excerpt, I too am thinking this is going to come a head really quick.

This is from a blog I just came across, so take it for what it’s worth.

This is widely reported by the media (CNN, The Guardian, New York Times), but perhaps because of the late hour and lack of legal analysts on hand, they missed the significance of the next paragraph:

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that to assure compliance with the Court’s order, the Court directs service of this Order upon the United States Marshal for the Eastern District of New York, and further directs the United States Marshal Service to take those actions deemed necessary to enforce the provisions and prohibitions set forth in this Order.

I’ve never seen an order like that directed against the U.S. government in my life. What the judge just did is sent federal law enforcement affiliated with the court to JFK airport to make sure other federal law enforcement obey the order. In other words, Judge Donnelly does not trust that the Trump administration will follow the law and pre-emptively sent muscle to carry out her order.

If you’re to believe the Daily Kos, a source that I don’t necessarily consider reliable due to political bias on par with Fox News, but in the other direction, the U.S. Marshals were sent with good reason: they report that in other airports, U.S. Customs & Border patrol has ignored the order.

If Trump chooses to direct his agencies to ignore court orders, this could be a very rapid beginning and end to his administration, as I cannot imagine Congress not impeaching a president who does so. This situation may come to a head quite soon… stay tuned…

professional-troublemaker.com

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:41:28am

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

You know what the GOP would probably do? They’ll censure him and that’s probably it.

I don’t even think they’d do that. They’re all going to go down with the ship.

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I just feel so sick about all this.

Sick… embarrassment… red-hot contempt… resentment… fear of going to sleep not knowing if the world will blow up in the meantime…

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:41:32am

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

If that account is legit, I’ll reexamine my agnosticism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:42:03am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

Stephen Bannon is the modern-day incarnation of Martin Bormann.

He is Goebbels, Goering & Himmler all rolled into one round mound of shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:43:31am

re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus

Hoping for or planning to make one happen? Wouldn’t put anything past this bunch.

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weave  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:43:40am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:44:41am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

So, as in the closing line of this excerpt, I too am thinking this is going to come a head really quick.

This is from a blog I just came across, so take it for what it’s worth.

professional-troublemaker.com

Holy shit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:46:58am

re: #210 Myron Falwell

Holy shit.

I’d like to think that the GOP would, in fact, execute their constitutional duties and impeach and remove Trump if he indeed has instructed the CBP agents to ignore a federal court order.

But this is the GOP we’re talking about, so……….

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 6:54:32am

In looking at this little constitutional crisis Trump seems to have created, I can only imagine that Priebus, Ryan, McConnell, etc., are alternating between shots of Islay single-malt Scotch and Maalox. If Boehner were still around, I’d add chain-smoking to the list, LOL.

Boehner’s gotta be kicking back somewhere, chuckling to himself, “Thank Christ I’m not in DC for this shitnado” as he lights up a Marlboro and pours himself another one.

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I cannot.  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:03:25am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

By this point, they’re probably onto Ezra Brooks, by the bottle. And they’ve probably taken up chain smoking too…

But yeah, as much as I hate Boehner, I LOVE the idea of him kicking back and LOLing at these fuckers.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:05:20am

Another reason this EO is unconstitutional:

President Trump signed an executive order on Friday that purports to bar for at least 90 days almost all permanent immigration from seven majority-Muslim countries, including Syria and Iraq, and asserts the power to extend the ban indefinitely.

But the order is illegal. More than 50 years ago, Congress outlawed such discrimination against immigrants based on national origin.

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin, replacing the old prejudicial system and giving each country an equal shot at the quotas. In signing the new law, President Lyndon B. Johnson said that “the harsh injustice” of the national-origins quota system had been “abolished.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:07:35am

So, what’s this morning’s Tweetragegasm from POTUS (Piece Of Total Utter Shit) StubbyFinger? It’s about the “unfair” media.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:12:18am

re: #214 Belafon

Another reason this EO is unconstitutional:

From what I’ve read, the administration didn’t run this EO through the DOJ; if they had, the DOJ probably could’ve told them straight up that this EO is illegal per the 1965 act referenced in the article.

Fucking amateur hour. What a shitshow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:12:54am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

So, what’s this morning’s Tweetragegasm from POTUS (Piece Of Total Utter Shit) StubbyFinger? It’s about the “unfair” media.

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Has time to whine at the media but not to review a EO’s legality. But that’s a feature not a bug.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:13:17am

Priebus is losing his temper on MTP.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:13:17am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

So, what’s this morning’s Tweetragegasm from POTUS (Piece Of Total Utter Shit) StubbyFinger? It’s about the “unfair” media.

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POTUS: Putin’s Overt Toady and Utter Slave.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:14:03am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:14:47am

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

Priebus is losing his temper on MTP.

Unprovoked? Because I can’t believe that Chuckie Todd would be doing his actual job…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:15:20am

re: #220 Belafon

I hope he does become a doctor. It would be poetic justice.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:15:23am

re: #208 Patricia Kayden

Hoping for or planning to make one happen? Wouldn’t put anything past this bunch.

You’re not alone.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:16:41am

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

Priebus is losing his temper on MTP.

What’s this? Rinsed Penis is having a meltdown? LOLOL.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:16:47am

re: #27 electrotek

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Check who is in the header/banner of the Twitter user. It will shock/amuse you.

Does Jaystone know that many Black people are Muslims and that at least two of the countries listed by Trump are African/Black countries? And yes, it is ironic that he has Malcolm X, who was a prominent Black Muslim on his banner. Malcolm X didn’t hate Arabs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:19:09am

re: #220 Belafon

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This is great.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:22:48am
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mmmirele  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:26:31am

The Department of Homeland Security says it will continue to enforce Hair Furor’s executive order.

It’s On

dhs.gov

Although at the end it says it will obey judicial orders, I get the very strong impression that they’re going to obey Trump, not the judges. I think it’s on, folks.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:28:31am

re: #228 mmmirele

The Department of Homeland Security says it will continue to enforce Hair Furor’s executive order.

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dhs.gov

Although at the end it says it will obey judicial orders, I get the very strong impression that they’re going to obey Trump, not the judges. I think it’s on, folks.

That’s what it’s sounding like. Well, Trump did say he’d be a president like we’ve never seen, and I guess in that, he was telling the truth.

I can’t think of another president who’s created a constitutional crisis so quickly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:29:44am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:30:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:30:15am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

That’s what it’s sounding like. Well, Trump did say he’d be a president like we’ve never seen, and I guess in that, he was telling the truth.

I can’t think of another president who’s created a constitutional crisis so quickly.

I don’t see it as a Constitutional crisis, I just see it as an exercise in posturing and letting symbolic action and ideology override a sober and measured approach

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:31:54am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Turn up the fire.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:39:41am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t see it as a Constitutional crisis, I just see it as an exercise in posturing and letting symbolic action and ideology override a sober and measured approach

But if BP continues to ignore a court order under direct orders from the White House, a Constitutional crisis is exactly what it is.

The the question becomes whether Congress has the collective spine to do something about it. At this point I have my doubts.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:41:05am

re: #234 makeitstop

But if BP continues to ignore a court order under direct orders from the White House, a Constitutional crisis is exactly what it is.

The the question becomes whether Congress has the collective spine to do something about it. At this point I have my doubts.

Precisely.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:41:22am

Part of the reaction in the UK to the ban includes growing opposition to Trump’s upcoming state visit there. Labour Party leader has issued a statement opposing it, but so has the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Ruth Davidson:

State visits are designed for both the host, and the head of state who is being hosted, to celebrate and entrench the friendships and shared values between their respective countries.

A state visit from the current President of the United States could not possibly occur in the best traditions of the enterprise while a cruel and divisive policy which discriminates against citizens of the host nation is in place.

I hope President Trump immediately reconsiders his Muslim ban.

There’s also a petition against the state visit here. (Only UK residents are allowed to sign.) It’s currently at nearly 330k signatures.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:42:23am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:43:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:44:08am
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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:45:00am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

The fascists won’t stop with this limited Muslim ban.

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I cannot.  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:45:29am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

I can think of one that started a Constitutional Crisis faster, his name was Jefferson Davis. (OK, yeah he wasn’t in charge of the traitors when it started…)

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Amory Blaine  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:46:32am

The TV press is so fucking worthless. (Said by me at least 100x).

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:47:39am

re: #242 Amory Blaine

That is why I am on the internet. I can read any newspaper or any weblog to get and research information.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:47:40am
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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:47:56am

re: #242 Amory Blaine

The Twitter comments re Priebus on Meet The Press are completely schizophrenic.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:49:08am

re: #155 lawhawk

There is nothing this admin does that is by mistake. They are purposefully acting in the manner we see.

Whether it’s actively omitting references to Jews and the anti-Semitism that spurred the Holocaust and murder of 6 million (yes, there is proof of this Rage fuckin’ Furby) or it’s enacting a Muslim ban (and when the intent and purpose is to ban Muslims, it’s unconstitutional in fact and as applied) but then not giving time or guidance to enforce it properly or consistently, it’s all designed to undermine the federal government’s job and authority.

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And the GOP does nothing because they’re continuing to think that Trump is giving them what they want - power.

Can somebody refresh my memory. Who brought Bannon and Trump together in the first place?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:53:33am

re: #234 makeitstop

But if BP continues to ignore a court order under direct orders from the White House, a Constitutional crisis is exactly what it is.

The the question becomes whether Congress has the collective spine to do something about it. At this point I have my doubts.

a constitutional conflict, yes. I do not see this as a crisis-level fuckup, but he is just getting in stride…

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:55:57am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

[Saudi Arabia & Egypt where Trump owns property, aren’t on ban list. ]

Trump thinks visitors from muslim countries will kill Americans, but he won’t ban them from countries where he owns property. So he’s saying that he would rather watch Americans get killed than lose some money.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:57:09am

re: #240 jaunte

The fascists won’t stop with this limited Muslim ban.

According to CNN, they’re already thinking about taking it to the next level.

Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:00:07am
Later on in his service, Khalas was riding in convoy behind a Humvee that was hit by an I.E.D. Grenades began sailing in from a nearby village. “There was no place to protect ourselves,” Khalas said, “but we had to take our friends who have died out of the Humvee.” He ran through the field of fire to help pry the bodies of three Americans from the wreckage.

He was shot once, but the bullet lodged between his Kevlar vest and torso and left only a small scar, so he didn’t think much of it.
newyorker.com

A Yazidi interpreter who helped our soldiers, blocked from entry by a draft-dodger who faked a bone spur to evade service.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:00:46am

I felt the need to do this Photoshop message…a way to deal with this for my own concerns and the concerns of many here at Little Green Footballs and all over this country.

It cannot be stressed enough…contact your representatives in congress, write your local newspapers, show up at local demonstrations, talk about it with friends and family and let them know of your concerns for the future of this country. Get ready to push and campaign for the needed votes to change the control of our government in 2010 and 2012.
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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:01:26am

Note that a Yazidi is not a radical Islamist, or any kind of Islamist.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:02:31am

And. Here. We. Go.

Following the shock announcement that citizens of seven Arab nations would not be allowed entry into the United States of America as of Friday 27th January 2017 for a period of 90 days, Iraq has decided to respond with equal measures.

Iraq has implemented the exact same measures:

No citizens of the USA can enter Iraq for a period of 90 days.
Citizens with existing Visas will be barred entry.

Iraq has said that once USA lifts the travel ban on citizens of Iraq travelling to the United States of America, it would do the same.

baghdadinvest.com

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:02:52am

“I’m establishing new vetting measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States,” Trump declared. “We don’t want them here,” he said. “We only want to admit those into our country who will support our country, and love deeply our people.”

Maack texted me. “Do you have a copy of the final text yet?” Khalas and Nada were desperate for guidance.

When he opened the folder containing the executive order, the President squinted at it, and read haltingly, as though it were the first time he’d seen it: “This is … ‘Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States.’ “

“We all know what that means,” he murmured, before carefully rereading the title. As he signed it, he congratulated himself. “That’s big stuff!”
newyorker.com

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:03:18am

re: #75 Targetpractice

Which makes perfect sense in light of years of insistence from wingnuts that every…single…immigrant to these shores that is not Christian and white as a sheet is suspect.

Note that Trump is also persecuting Christians:
Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport

While the fake Christians in this country cheer him on.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:05:48am

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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:06:17am

If Trump believes that exempting countries that he has property in will save those properties from attacks, that says a lot about him - none of it good.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:07:43am

re: #256 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:08:13am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

He is Goebbels, Goering & Himmler all rolled into one round mound of shit.

With a little Rasputin on the side.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:09:05am

Spicer, Obama NEVER BANNED PEOPLE WITH GREEN CARDS, YOU SCHMUCK!

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:09:26am

re: #257 jeffreyw

If Trump believes that exempting countries that he has property in will save those properties from attacks, that says a lot about him - none of it good.

There’s rumors that there will be an expanded round of countries listed with the Muslim ban. That might include those with which Trump has business dealings.

But the reality is that Trump’s EO is unconstitutional in fact and as applied. He is actively violating the constitution. It’s up to the nation, our elected leaders, and courts to stop this.

That takes time, and it also means that Trump’s policies will continue to filter in both on the immigration front and elsewhere.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:09:41am

re: #259 BeachDem

With a little Rasputin on the side.

From what legend says, Rasputin wasn’t *ahem* “little”.

Boney M. - Rasputin (BBC Top Of The Pops 25.12.1978)

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Teukka  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:09:45am

re: #259 BeachDem

With a little Rasputin on the side.

Please, do not insult the memory of Brother Grigory, k?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:12:17am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:13:39am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Well, shit, that settles it we’ve all entered an alternate dimension somehow - a parallel Earth.

Question is, how do we get back to Earth Prime?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:15:09am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

Well, shit, that settles it we’ve all entered an alternate dimension somehow - a parallel Earth.

Question is, how do we get back to Earth Prime?

It’s an interchange construction project now.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:16:26am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

It’s an interchange construction project now.

Dammit!

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:20:40am

Following Krugman (and in spirit, Charles Stross), I may have to start referring to the current situation as CASE NIGHTMARE ORANGE.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:23:25am

Ah, the power of the egg.

To gain knowledge over immigration law and pontificate all with the power of talking points.

There’s a reason that lawyers specialize. Immigration lawyers have to be familiar with the specifics of immigration law just as tax lawyers have to know the IRC.

But eggs? They have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express and have knowledge about all this in one shot.

Which makes it all the more hilarious when they start repeating immigration law references that are out of date or are inapplicable, and ignore constitutional law at the same time.

Point to the 1952 Act without identifying that later acts specifically undid the very provisions invoked as support Trump’s got authority.

That’s like invoking Jim Crow as proof that segregation is lawful in 2017 (and the genesis of both kinds of law are from the same racist/bigoted part of our nation’s history).

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weave  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:23:33am

Just got an email from Lyft that basically said FU Trump, these are not our values with a pledge to donate a million dollars to the ACLU over the next 4 years.

Hopefully all businesses realize their ops require worldwide stability and predictability and this is bad for business and start threatening the Republicans that they will start supporting Democrats to defeat them unless they can get Trump under control.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:24:31am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

Well, shit, that settles it we’ve all entered an alternate dimension somehow - a parallel Earth.

Question is, how do we get back to Earth Prime?

Paging Dr. Strange? MCU? Steve Ditko and Stan Lee? Need to retcon this future out of existence.

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:24:43am
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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:26:01am

re: #73 Kragar

Ha!!! Thanks.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:28:36am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:33:03am

Changed my avatar. Does this pink hat make me look Vicious?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:34:03am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:40:08am

re: #237 The Vicious Babushka

I had those suspicions in the back of my head. Good for Louise.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:41:45am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

Well, shit, that settles it we’ve all entered an alternate dimension somehow - a parallel Earth.

Question is, how do we get back to Earth Prime?

Leonard Nimoy departed from this mortal coil much too soon.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:42:07am

re: #191 Myron Falwell

That is the weirdest goddamned thing I have ever seen. I asked the gal who posted it what station it was on and I am thinking about calling the number. I want to know who owns that weird shit.

And here it is. Soundcloud of what happens when you call.

Iframe

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:42:16am

Meanwhile, in the UK:

Boris Johnson says it is “divisive and wrong to stigmatise” people on the basis of nationality, amid a furore over a US clampdown on immigration.

President Donald Trump has barred entry for 90 days to refugees and nationals of seven mainly Muslim countries.

Protests have broken out at US airports and PM Theresa May has been criticised for not responding firmly enough when she was asked about it on Saturday.

No 10 has since said she does not agree with the policy.

Meanwhile, a petition to stop a state visit to the UK by President Trump later this year may be debated in Parliament, after amassing more than 300,000 signatures.

Foreign Secretary Mr Johnson became the latest politician to speak out against Mr Trump’s executive order halting the entire US refugee programme and instituting a 90-day travel ban for nationals from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

He wrote on Twitter: “We will protect the rights and freedoms of UK nationals home and abroad. Divisive and wrong to stigmatise because of nationality.”

bbc.com

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:42:43am

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:45:05am

Corey Stewart, still one of the most repulsive people in Virginia:

STEWART: MCAULIFFE WOULD RATHER SEE A TERRORIST ATTACK IN VIRGINIA THAN OFFEND LIBERALS

Today Virginia Republican Gubernatorial candidate Corey Stewart said the “Trump Administration executive order on refugees is reasonable and necessary” and that McAuliffe and Northam are putting political correctness before Virginians’ safety.

“It is a temporary inconvenience to fewer than 200 people a day. It is what is minimally required to prevent terrorists, disguised as refugees, from entering the country,” said Stewart. “McAuliffe and Northam are once again putting political correctness—and their own political ambition—ahead of the safety and security of Virginians. They are deliberately dividing Virginians by falsely alleging that the executive order was motivated by bigotry.”

Stewart continued, “McAuliffe and Northam would rather see a terrorist attack in Virginia than offend liberals. We must take Virginia back from McAuliffe’s crooked liberal gang.”

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:45:19am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yes I think it would be but would the GOP impeach him as said? I really have my doubts.

If putting Bannon in charge of national security doesn’t do it, nothing will. The Republicans are the enemy of the republic, traitors to everything America stands for.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:46:20am

re: #282 Timothy Watson

Flip the script:

MCAULIFFE: STEWART WOULD RATHER SEE A MASS SHOOTING ATTACK IN VIRGINIA THAN OFFEND GUN HUMPING NRA NUTS

And we’ve seen far more of those mass shootings than terror attacks. Nationally and in Virginia specifically.

VA Tech comes to mind.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:46:39am

re: #279 MsJ

That is the weirdest goddamned thing I have ever seen. I asked the gal who posted it what station it was on and I am thinking about calling the number. I want to know who owns that weird shit.

And here it is. Soundcloud of what happens when you call.

I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if it’s this shit:

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:48:24am

Just became a member of the ACLU. Should have done it years ago.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:51:36am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t see it as a Constitutional crisis, I just see it as an exercise in posturing and letting symbolic action and ideology override a sober and measured approach

I definitely see this as a constitutional crisis. When the courts go against a government agency and other agencies have to be involved to rein in another? That sure seems crisisy to me.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:52:02am

re: #283 MsJ

If putting Bannon in charge of national security doesn’t do it, nothing will. The Republicans are the enemy of the republic, traitors to everything America stands for.

And then it goes back to the question of if the military feels like they have no choice but to do a coup d’etat.

When all other means of preserving the Constitution fail, it becomes a worthless 230 year old piece of faded parchment.

Someone will have to come in and restore order. And it won’t be Bannon and the MAGAguard.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:52:40am

re: #286 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Just became a member of the ACLU. Should have done it years ago.

I’ve been an ACLU member since 1990. Welcome aboard.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:54:15am
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:54:34am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Grandson1 has developed a good sense of snark for a 6 year old:

Mom: “You get no TV until you clean up the mess you made last night.”
(GS1 disappears into bedroom, returns wearing a headscarf, carrying a broom.)
GS1: “Alexa, play ‘It’s a Hard Knock Life’.”

LOL, and now I’ve asked Alexa to play ‘It’s a Hard Knock Life.’

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:54:57am
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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:55:08am

re: #249 Alephnaught

According to CNN, they’re already thinking about taking it to the next level.

Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry.

Let’s not forget that Border Control already has the ability to seize all electronics from people entering the US, whether they are US citizens or not. If you don’t turn on your computer/phone when they ask you to, they can confiscate it (with the expectation you will get it back in a couple of months).

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sagehen  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:56:26am
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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:58:55am

re: #255 garzooma

Note that Trump is also persecuting Christians:
Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport

While the fake Christians in this country cheer him on.

Linky no worky.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:59:29am
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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:00:12am

re: #257 jeffreyw

If Trump believes that exempting countries that he has property in will save those properties from attacks, that says a lot about him - none of it good.

I have no doubt that one of his prominent properties or hotels will be a clear and unequivocal target of attack.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:01:33am

Nine days ago, I openly argued with people on Facebook as to why I wanted Trump to fail for the safety of our country.

It feels like nine months ago.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:02:05am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been an ACLU member since 1990. Welcome aboard.

I’m going to join up. A bunch of other causes too.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:02:14am

re: #286 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Just became a member of the ACLU. Should have done it years ago.

They even send you a membership card so you can be a card-carrying member!

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:02:21am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in the UK:

bbc.com

Jeez, when you’ve lost Boris Johnson.

At least Trump still has Farage.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:02:26am

re: #91 Myron Falwell

We may be saying “Acting President Mattis” sooner than we think.

That means we would have to go through Pence, Ryan, Hatch, and possibly whoever is running State and Treasury. Unless you’re talking about a straight coup… which is, less than good

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:03:17am

re: #300 Timothy Watson

They even send you a membership card so you can be a card-carrying member!

Awesome!

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:04:23am
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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:04:58am

re: #296 Myron Falwell

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DHS agents better start repeating this phrase to themselves for when they’re dragged in front of the judge: “Befehl ist Befehl.”

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:05:19am

re: #290 Myron Falwell

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:07:16am

I can’t believe that the GOP thinks Trump is enabling their power grab. He’s doing the opposite. Bannon/Trump is cutting them and the judicial branch completely out of the picture by consolidating all power to themselves. He is rendering the legislative branch impotent.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:08:19am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

In looking at this little constitutional crisis Trump seems to have created, I can only imagine that Priebus, Ryan, McConnell, etc., are alternating between shots of Islay single-malt Scotch and Maalox. If Boehner were still around, I’d add chain-smoking to the list, LOL.

Boehner’s gotta be kicking back somewhere, chuckling to himself, “Thank Christ I’m not in DC for this shitnado” as he lights up a Marlboro and pours himself another one.

I’m going to bet that even Boehner is not chuckling about this mess.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:09:28am

re: #308 stpaulbear

I’m going to bet that even Boehner is not chuckling about this mess.

He is just pleased that it is not his mess

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:09:29am

I went back to answer my own question about how Bannon and Trump got together in the first place:

In 2011, as Mr. Trump pondered a 2012 presidential run, David Bossie, a conservative activist who headed Citizens United, took Mr. Bannon to Trump Tower in New York to meet him. “They definitely hit it off,” said Mr. Bossie

Ah, David Bossie (Trump Deputy Campaign manager), Citizens United stooge and long-time Clinton hater/conspiracy hack, who originally rose to prominence as Dan Burton’s “investigator” of all things Clinton. Even before that, Bossie worked with Floyd Brown, the guy who created the Willie Horton ad. Willie Horton ad.

Excuse me, I need to go take a shower.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:09:50am

re: #307 allegro

I can’t believe that the GOP thinks Trump is enabling their power grab. He’s doing the opposite. Bannon/Trump is cutting them and the judicial branch completely out of the picture by consolidating all power to themselves. He is rendering the legislative branch impotent.

Trump (read: Bannon) has basically spent the past two weeks arguing that a president may do whatever he likes and that will have the force of law.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:10:52am

Straight out of the Nazis’ playbook. They can’t rely on the military to attack American citizens, so they’ll use local police forces, which have been stocked full of psychotics and racists.

And if they’re dealing with a blue city with marginally less awful cops, they’ll just import cops from red states.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:10:56am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Folks like myself were saying aloud how quickly shit can go sideways when a democracy dissolves into a dictatorship, and the response was that that was hyperbole and hysteria, that people wouldn’t go for such and would fight back. That America is too robust a democracy to ever let such things happen.

Well, fighting back does take time. It doesn’t happen overnight.

Sure we would all like to go to sleep tonight and wake tomorrow and it will all be gone, but you know it doesn’t happen that way.

This is going to take a lot of effort to get enough people that see themselves as conservatives to go against what many voted for. It is going to take all the people that never vote to get angry and motivated enough to join the process.

The Republicans in Congress are going to have to understand that if they want to hold onto their positions and actually start to do what the people want they are going to need to get to work.

And they are going to need pressure from the money people that back them. The only way that may happen is those money people need to see some of their money taken away from people that refuse to buy and use their services, etc.

And the Democrats are going to need to find their backbones too and motivate their backers like maybe they’ve never been before…or at least in many a year.

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:11:52am

re: #311 Targetpractice

Trump (read: Bannon) has basically spent the past two weeks arguing that a president may do whatever he likes and that will have the force of law.

Exactly.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:11:59am

re: #310 BeachDem

I went back to answer my own question about how Bannon and Trump got together in the first place:

In 2011, as Mr. Trump pondered a 2012 presidential run, David Bossie, a conservative activist who headed Citizens United, took Mr. Bannon to Trump Tower in New York to meet him. “They definitely hit it off,” said Mr. Bossie

Ah, David Bossie (Trump Deputy Campaign manager), Citizens United stooge and long-time Clinton hater/conspiracy hack, who originally rose to prominence as Dan Burton’s “investigator” of all things Clinton. Even before that, Bossie worked with Floyd Brown, the guy who created the Willie Horton ad. Willie Horton ad.

Excuse me, I need to go take a shower.

What you describe should have nutcase Mellon-Scaife spoor all over it.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:13:00am

re: #307 allegro

I can’t believe that the GOP thinks Trump is enabling their power grab. He’s doing the opposite. Bannon/Trump is cutting them and the judicial branch completely out of the picture by consolidating all power to themselves. He is rendering the legislative branch impotent.

Remember that Bannon’s goals are similar to Ryan’s. They both want to starve (grannies and babies), stop abortion, roll back SSI, SocSec, Medicare and do away with Medicaid, and all the other things Ryan wanted since…forever. If Trump does it he gets the blame, per se, but the end result is the same.

Once all that is done, THEN Ryan might do something. But not until. And congress, now held by the GOP, will not do anything to return these programs if they ever decide to dump trump.

Goal achieved.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:13:53am

re: #305 Targetpractice

DHS agents better start repeating this phrase to themselves for when they’re dragged in front of the judge: “Befehl ist Befehl.”

They gotta do it in Bruno Ganz’s voice in Der Untergang…..”Das war ein Befehl! Ein Befehl!!” for maximum effect, LOL.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:14:47am

re: #313 ObserverArt

Well, fighting back does take time. It doesn’t happen overnight.
….
And they are going to need pressure from the money people that back them. The only way that may happen is those money people need to see some of their money taken away from people that refuse to buy and use their services, etc.

This is the only thing that will save US.

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:14:56am

re: #295 MsJ

Linky no worky.

Sorry, here it is again:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/us/syrian-family-trump-travel-ban/index.html?sr=fbCNN012917syrian-family-trump-travel-ban/index.html0330AMStoryLink&linkId=33892254

Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport

(CNN)Two brothers, their wives and children left war-torn Syria with 16 suitcases and crossed the border into Lebanon. They were finally on their way to the United States after working for almost 15 years to join their family members stateside.

But after a flight from Beirut to Doha, Qatar, and then to Philadelphia on Saturday, the two families were told to get on a flight back to Doha. It was because President Donald Trump had just signed an executive order denying citizens from seven countries, including Syria, entry into the United States.
[…]
The Assalis are Orthodox Christians, one of the most persecuted groups in Syria.
[…]

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:15:36am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

What you describe should have nutcase Mellon-Scaife spoor all over it.

It probably does, but I don’t have time right now to delve deeper. Need to get some work done.

The whole cabal makes me sick to my stomach.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:16:40am

re: #302 KGxvi

That means we would have to go through Pence, Ryan, Hatch, and possibly whoever is running State and Treasury. Unless you’re talking about a straight coup… which is, less than good

The latter is more than likely in my eyes, especially when everyone in the order of succession fails to uphold their Constitutional oath.

There is no way out of this mess that isn’t shitty.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:16:56am

re: #311 Targetpractice

Trump (read: Bannon) has basically spent the past two weeks arguing that a president may do whatever he likes and that will have the force of law.

And he doesn’t even bother masking it with terms like “unitary executive theory”.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:18:31am
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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:18:59am

re: #319 garzooma

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:19:11am

Hard to pick what’s most insidious about yesterday’s events but interviewing people coming in and inquiring about their statements on Trump is quite alarming.

About Trump.

Let that sink in.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:20:02am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Changed my avatar. Does this pink hat make me look Vicious?

Pink is a color that seems to scare many.

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:20:07am

re: #316 MsJ

Remember that Bannon’s goals are similar to Ryan’s. They both want to starve (grannies and babies), stop abortion, roll back SSI, SocSec, Medicare and do away with Medicaid, and all the other things Ryan wanted since…forever. If Trump does it he gets the blame, per se, but the end result is the same.

Once all that is done, THEN Ryan might do something. But not until. And congress, now held by the GOP, will not do anything to return these programs if they ever decide to dump trump.

Goal achieved.

Understood. That, however, is ignoring a number of other factors such as egos and careers. It’s more than ideology driving them - they’re also in it for personal power, in fact, that may be the main motivating factor for many/most. Given that (arguable) premise, I can see the ideology melt away in favor of self-survival.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #323 MsJ

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“-esk” reeks of Chuckie.

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Puss Power  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:21:37am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Changed my avatar. Does this pink hat make me look Vicious?

It highlights the teeth.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:22:08am

Seems like the yam team had time to get their Sunday show talking points all lined up—Rancid and Kellyanne, it appears, were beating the same “325,000 people come in, only a few detained” drum. (I only know from reading about it, because I can’t stand looking at or listening to any of them firsthand.)

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:22:24am

re: #327 allegro

Understood. That, however, is ignoring a number of other factors such as egos and careers. It’s more than ideology driving them - they’re also in it for personal power, in fact, that may be the main motivating factor for many/most. Given that (arguable) premise, I can see the ideology melt away in favor of self-survival.

Agreed. It will be interesting to see the point - if ever - they act. Because this is not something Dems can do, the GOP is in the majority.

Additionally, those in power…their base is trump’s base. So their acting is also putting them in compromising positions. They are in that no-win zone.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:22:55am

re: #330 BeachDem

Seems like the yam team had time to get their Sunday show talking points all lined up—Rancid and Kellyanne, it appears, were beating the same “325,000 people come in, only a few detained” drum. (I only know from reading about it, because I can’t stand looking at or listening to any of them firsthand.)

Yeah, it’s funny how that talking point comes out from the White House at the same time that it does DHS. It’s almost as though they rehearsed it together…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:24:00am

re: #331 MsJ

Yeah, the GOP is in a suicide pact not only with Trump, but with their own base as well.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:24:18am

from my inbox:

David McCraw —VP & Asst Gen Counsel -NYT

Outside my office in the legal department is the framed 1971 cable from the United States attorney general asking The New York Times to stop publishing the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times stood up to the government then and won a landmark decision for press freedom before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Today we’re still standing up to the powerful. It’s one of the things that make me proud to be a lawyer for The Times. Over the past eight years, I have filed 27 suits against the federal government seeking access to secret records. Our legal team helps our journalists every day to access information that others don’t want you to see.

The story by Eric Lipton and Robert Faturechi is an example of how journalism can take on the country’s most powerful institutions and hold them accountable.

These Officials Help Write Ballot Questions. Companies Write Them Checks.

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Puss Power  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:24:30am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been an ACLU member since 1990. Welcome aboard.

1984 here (I think — plus or minus one or two). But that number is so evocative, I hope it’s right.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:25:58am

re: #312 scottslemmons

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Straight out of the Nazis’ playbook. They can’t rely on the military to attack American citizens, so they’ll use local police forces, which have been stocked full of psychotics and racists.

And if they’re dealing with a blue city with marginally less awful cops, they’ll just import cops from red states.

Which will become problematic when the blue city LEOs turn on and go after those imports. You and I know Gov. Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsome won’t stand for it and are very likely to take a defiant Churchillian stand.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:27:57am

re: #334 Birth Control Works

from my inbox:

These Officials Help Write Ballot Questions. Companies Write Them Checks.

Over the past eight years, I have filed 27 suits against the federal government seeking access to secret records.

Wonder how many they filed during W’s tenure.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:28:08am
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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:29:49am

re: #338 JasonA

The late date of choosing a new DNC leader is hurting us.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:29:55am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is just pleased that it is not his mess

… because the RWNJs and Breitbartians cut him out for not being “pure enough.”

Boehnor endorsed Trump, but probably did so in a “fuck it, I’ll let them just destroy themselves” move.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:31:23am

Anybody got any glue? This paint ain’t working anymore.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:31:48am

Good gravy.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:31:55am

re: #338 JasonA

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I have to find myself agreeing, this is a prime opportunity to show that the DNC does motivate people and does care about the oppressed…and they’re allowing it to go by. I’d like to think that’s because they have some plan in place to spring tomorrow, but I figure it’s more likely that the party is so disorganized that nobody wants to speak up for fear of making themselves a target. So we get the proforma “we oppose this action” statements and not much else.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:32:34am

re: #342 JasonA

Good gravy.

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Ah, so let’s get the airlines pissed off as well. Smashing idea.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:33:02am

re: #328 A wild WITHAK appeared!

“-esk” reeks of Chuckie.

Rage Furby has to be bored AF after Twitter suspended WeSearchR. I wouldn’t put it past that fucker.

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bratwurst  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:33:09am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:33:50am

Mr. Owens, the Mossack Fonseca lawyer, again offered a solution.

Mossack Fonseca would locate what he called a “natural person nominee” in a “tax-convenient” jurisdiction to stand in for Ms. Olszewski as the owner of the account.

“The Natural Person Trustee is a service which is very sensitive,” Mr. Owens wrote. “We need to hire the Natural Person Nominee, pay him, make him sign lots of documents to cover us, make him sign resignations, make him get some proofs evidencing that he has the economic capacity to place such amount of moneys, letters of reference, proof of domicile, etc., etc.” The process, he suggested, would cost her at least $17,500.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:34:03am

re: #343 Targetpractice

Thinking about this, I wonder if the problem is we’re waiting for an existing leader to step up, when we need someone new to take charge. I’m not sure who that would be or how that person would become a unifying voice.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:34:26am
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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:34:27am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:35:58am

re: #345 Myron Falwell

Ms. Mensch herself floated the possibility it was the Chuckster. Certainly fits his MO.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:36:45am

re: #350 JasonA

This is a very good suggestion. The problem is that most of us don’t even know where to look. That’s why we’re comfortable with relying on others who sound authoritative.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:37:15am

Good to know that the bastion of maverickiness is “very concerned” about things.

“I think the effect will probably in some areas give Isis some more propaganda,” McCain said in an interview with CBS’s Face the Nation.

McCain, chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a Republican from Arizona, added that he was “very concerned about our effect on the Iraqis right now”.

theguardian.com

What a fucking profile in courage.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:38:40am
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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:38:50am

Like I said last night, if the DNC were smart, they’d have twin bills ready to go at open of business tomorrow that voided this EO and affirmed that the White House cannot void existing law without Congressional approval. And not simply introduce them to little fanfare, but make as much noise as possible in the press about said bills so they can’t be quietly killed in committee. Get the press out there asking every Republican they can find whether they support Der Trumpenfuhrer’s blatant power grab or not.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:38:50am

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:39:04am

I know most of you hit this every day, but 88 likes is big time for me:

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:39:10am

Jan Brewer is on Tapper. My god that woman has smoked a lot of Pall Mall non-filters in her time.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:40:09am

re: #355 Targetpractice

All of you with Democratic reps should call them. I’m going to call my Republican reps and tell them not to aid Trump in destroying our Democracy.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:41:02am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:41:16am

re: #354 JasonA

Every night, the US Constitution is lowered into a bomb-proof chamber. Maybe they should leave it there in case one fine day, either Bannon or Trump decides they want to wipe their ass with it.

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Droid Builder  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:41:18am

re: #198 lawhawk

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This was a proposal for national security claiming to “extreme vet” those coming to the US. The EO wasn’t run past any of the adults in the room - not DOJ. Not DoD. Not NSA. Not CIA. Not anyone outside Bannon and the cabal of cronies Trump assembled.

The people who have the most intimate knowledge of existing policy were excluded. The people who want to push an Islamophobia plan the sole intent of which was to impose a Muslim ban were heard from.

They admit as much. It is a Muslim ban that is on its face unconstitutional. Anyone who defends it is lying.

And now we see exactly why Trump surrounds himself with his family and closest advisors 24/7. He trusts no one outside of this small cabal. Combine this with appointing Cabinet Secretaries that are incompetent to run their departments and you can envision how orders can be quickly delegated from the Trump cabal downwards to enact policy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:41:43am

German far-Right extremists teaming up with gangs in America and Europe to plan attacks, intelligence chief warns

Why police loyal to their jurisdiction more than the President and the legal right to self defense by whatever means at hand matters right this minute.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:42:49am

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

Every night, the US Constitution is lowered into a bomb-proof chamber. Maybe they should leave it there in case one fine day, either Bannon or Trump decides they want to wipe their ass with it.

It’s a really, really cool process.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:45:29am
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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:45:41am

bbl

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:45:58am

re: #357 Belafon

I know most of you hit this every day, but 88 likes is big time for me:

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The symbolism behind the number is still unnerving though.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:47:07am

re: #351 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Ms. Mensch herself floated the possibility it was the Chuckster. Certainly fits his MO.

At this point, I’m not sure the Rage Furby has enough self-control to masquerade as anyone. If Chuckles were running that account, it’d already be ranting about blacks, Jews, and women, would be linking to his website, and would probably have one post that just said “I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS CHUCK C. JOHNSON IS, BUT AT LEAST HE IS FAMOUS, NOT LIKE THAT HIPPIE WHO STOLE MY NAME AND HOLY SHIT, MY HOT ASIAN WIFE IS HOT AND AN ASIAN.”

Chuckles don’t really do subtle anymore.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:48:29am

Trump (Bannon) are not nominating the best and brightest for cabinet positions because they’re the best for the job, they’re being nominated for loyalty in executing Trump’s orders.

He’s a dictator, plain and simple.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:55:28am

In regard to German Chancellor Merkel explaining the Geneva Conventions to Trump, someone posted this on reddit and dammit, I just died laughing - the user, 6p6ss6, did an absolutely dead-on impression of Trump’s word salad, LOLOL.

“They say I don’t know the Geneva Conventions, you know what Geneva is in Europe and they speak French over there, is the total opposite of what General Patton did in the Philippines but the French did a number on us by getting us to accept their convention… I had the best, most beautiful convention in Cleveland, see now that’s an American city unlike Geneva, which is too small and full of foreigners and bad hombres. The French are laughing at us for accepting their convention, which is a really bad deal. No more. No more.”

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Amory Blaine  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:57:17am

re: #355 Targetpractice

The party is filled with conservative lites that are afraid of their own shadow.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:59:04am

re: #370 Dr Lizardo

That’s no more word salad-y than Trump’s defense of his EO working well and smoothly implemented.

If he thinks multiple lawsuits, TROs, and random enforcement based on whether a local CBE office adheres to the TROs or not, is smooth implementation, he’s even more delusional and insulated from reality than any of us know.

He’s trying to invent his own reality and imposing it on the rest of us. He’s been successful to a point - and he and his cabal will portray anyone opposing his regime as traitors and engaging in unconstitutional and unlawful acts - projecting EVERY action he is, in reality, doing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:00:11am

Time to quit fucking around, US judicial system.

The US Customs and Border Protection Agency at Dulles International Airport has refused to grant attorneys access to any detainees it may be holding, according to Sharifa Abassi, who is coordinating the volunteer lawyer efforts underway there. Yesterday, a federal judge for the Eastern District of Virginia ordered respondents, who include CBP, President Trump, and the CBP Port Director for Dulles Wayne Biondi, to “permit lawyers access to all legal permanent residents being detained at Dulles International Airport.”

Abassi says late Sunday morning a border agent told lawyers that agents have been instructed not to speak with them. About 15 lawyers have been directed to call Steve Sapp, an official with the CBP Office of Public Affairs, but have so far have not had their calls answered or returned. Washingtonian called the number, which directed reporters to a cellphone number whose voicemail was full.

Abbasi and one other lawyer we spoke to say officials at Dulles have refused to engage with the lawyers since this morning. A border agent who agreed to bring the lawyers’ request for access to detainees, as well as a copy of the order, to her supervisor came back with this message: “It’s not going to happen.”

Lawyers at Dulles are currently considering motions to hold the government in contempt and to compel disclosure of any individuals who are being detained.

washingtonian.com

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:00:17am

Remember way back (last week) when people thought Lindsey Graham was one of the better Republican hopes to stand up to the yam? Yeah—good times. The latest press releases from his office:

1/27/17 Graham Statement On The March For Life
1/25/17 Graham Signs Onto Obamacare Replacement Plan
1/25/17 Graham Supports Federal Assistance To Help Chicago Prosecute Gun Crimes
1/24/17 Graham Applauds Trump Executive Order Approving Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines

And not one fucking word about the refugee ban (despite two local stories.) Nope, his latest tweet is from some Friday night chamber of commerce shindig.

Spit.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:02:22am
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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:03:54am
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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:05:32am

re: #308 stpaulbear

I’m going to bet that even Boehner is not chuckling about this mess.

I’m sure not finding anything funny about it.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:07:19am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Time to quit fucking around, US judicial system.

washingtonian.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:08:38am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Time to quit fucking around, US judicial system.

washingtonian.com

Considering the chain of command that deems to be in effect, I would move to hold the entire administration in contempt of court. DHS has the power to compel CBP to obey the court order and if it is not doing so, then the courts should consider that an implied support of the CBP’s unlawful actions.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:10:02am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:10:12am

re: #376 JasonA

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:11:42am

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

And they aren’t even trying to hide it now.

Appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” White House counselor Kellyanne Conway called for the firing of journalists who she claims showed bias against President Donald Trump during his campaign.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:12:04am

re: #379 Targetpractice

Considering the chain of command that deems to be in effect, I would move to hold the entire administration in contempt of court. DHS has the power to compel CBP to obey the court order and if it is not doing so, then the courts should consider that an implied support of the CBP’s unlawful actions.

In a just and sane world, if 45 comes out and says that he and his administration are going to ignore a valid court order, the House would draw up and approve articles of impeachment by the end of the week, and the senate would remove him within a fortnight

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:12:17am

re: #381 Scottish Dragon

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“But her emails!” can be America’s epitaph.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:13:05am

re: #383 KGxvi

In a just and sane world, if 45 comes out and says that he and his administration are going to ignore a valid court order, the House would draw up and approve articles of impeachment by the end of the week, and the senate would remove him within a fortnight

Yes, but we’re now in Trumpworld, unfortunately.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:14:18am

re: #383 KGxvi

In a just and sane world, if 45 comes out and says that he and his administration are going to ignore a valid court order, the House would draw up and approve articles of impeachment by the end of the week, and the senate would remove him within a fortnight

Imagine if Obama had gone ahead and executed every EO that Republicans got that asshole judge here in Texas to block.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:14:30am

re: #383 KGxvi

In a just and sane world, if 45 comes out and says that he and his administration are going to ignore a valid court order, the House would draw up and approve articles of impeachment by the end of the week, and the senate would remove him within a fortnight

I can only imagine that Ryan and McConnell are now trying to decide whether or not they want to salvage Trump’s ass from this fiasco. They could easily step in and throw Congress’ weight around, but that risks turning his ire towards them and jeopardizing their entire wish list of conservative wet dreams. Not to mention it would throw their already precarious efforts to get his cabinet seated into disarray, as any time taken away from that gives the opposition time to work over purple state Repubs to find enough votes to filibuster the more noxious nominees.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:15:38am
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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:16:17am

For every person who said ‘Trump is a businessman’ as if it’s a good thing, this is what you get. An executive who thinks he’s CEO and can just make new rules on the fly.

But even a businessman who operates as CEO in a large public company knows there are rules, charters, a Board, that he works for.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:16:27am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:17:13am

re: #352 Belafon

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This is a very good suggestion. The problem is that most of us don’t even know where to look. That’s why we’re comfortable with relying on others who sound authoritative.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:18:05am

re: #387 Targetpractice

I can only imagine that Ryan and McConnell are now trying to decide whether or not they want to salvage Trump’s ass from this fiasco. They could easily step in and throw Congress’ weight around, but that risks turning his ire towards them and jeopardizing their entire wish list of conservative wet dreams. Not to mention it would throw their already precarious efforts to get his cabinet seated into disarray, as any time taken away from that gives the opposition time to work over purple state Repubs to find enough votes to filibuster the more noxious nominees.

Ryan and McConnell are in one hell of a dilemma. Trump would indeed turn his wrath onto them and their wish list goes right out the window. Not just that, but if they suddenly discovered their spines and moved to impeach him and remove him from office, well, that’s gonna kick off a shitstorm the likes of which most of us have never seen in our lifetimes.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:19:14am

re: #387 Targetpractice

I can only imagine that Ryan and McConnell are now trying to decide whether or not they want to salvage Trump’s ass from this fiasco. They could easily step in and throw Congress’ weight around, but that risks turning his ire towards them and jeopardizing their entire wish list of conservative wet dreams. Not to mention it would throw their already precarious efforts to get his cabinet seated into disarray, as any time taken away from that gives the opposition time to work over purple state Repubs to find enough votes to filibuster the more noxious nominees.

If Trump is removed, Pence becomes president. My guess is that Ryan and McConnell would prefer to work with him. He’s more predictable and better fits the mold of “traditional Republican politician.”

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:20:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:20:28am

re: #390 Scottish Dragon

Seems to me this is going to come to a head sometime in the next 24 to 48 hours.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:20:58am

re: #394 Skandal

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Note to Mike Pence, deleting it doesn’t change the fact that you tweeted it, you groveling toad faced asshole.

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:22:11am

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

Ryan and McConnell are in one hell of a dilemma. Trump would indeed turn his wrath onto them and their wish list goes right out the window. Not just that, but if they suddenly discovered their spines and moved to impeach him and remove him from office, well, that’s gonna kick off a shitstorm the likes of which most of us have never seen in our lifetimes.

Seems we’re in the midst of quite the shitstorm now that’s increasing in intensity daily hourly.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:22:17am

re: #393 KGxvi

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

For Republicans, the greater good is their political fortunes. They were raised on the doctrines of Ayn Rand — doing something for others is anathema.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:23:28am

re: #389 BigPapa

For every person who said ‘Trump is a businessman’ as if it’s a good thing, this is what you get. An executive who thinks he’s CEO and can just make new rules on the fly.

But even a businessman who operates as CEO in a large public company knows there are rules, charters, a Board, that he works for.

The problem is Trump owned and operated a closely held corporation, not a publicly traded company. The only reason he ever had to deal with shareholders and directors who were not family was because he had to give up pieces of his company in order to get out of otherwise insurmountable debt that he accumulated

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:23:33am

re: #393 KGxvi

If Trump is removed, Pence becomes president. My guess is that Ryan and McConnell would prefer to work with him. He’s more predictable and better fits the mold of “traditional Republican politician.”

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

On the one hand, if they remove Trump now, yes, the base will be livid. However, that still leaves plenty of time between now and the mid-terms next November - and voters in general tend to have short memories. It’s a calculated risk that if Trump is impeached and removed within the next 90 days, it’ll have blown over with the base by 11/2018. But it could work - politics is, after all, the art of the impossible.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:24:09am

re: #394 Skandal

The tweet hasn’t been deleted, the SPLC did the search wrong, with the wrong name.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:24:23am

re: #393 KGxvi

If Trump is removed, Pence becomes president. My guess is that Ryan and McConnell would prefer to work with him. He’s more predictable and better fits the mold of “traditional Republican politician.”

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

We have to remember that impeachment requires a criminal act. As of this very moment, we’ve got a suspicion but no concrete evidence that the White House (read: Bannon) has ordered CBP to defy a federal court order. Until we have that, then they could conceivably offer the defense in court that this was a decision made further down the chain of command and whoever made it was doing so of his own volition.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:25:11am

re: #383 KGxvi

In a just and sane world, if 45 comes out and says that he and his administration are going to ignore a valid court order, the House would draw up and approve articles of impeachment by the end of the week, and the senate would remove him within a fortnight

But in this world, the GOP leadership (ha) are not able to remove their problem children without Dem cooperation in the House and Senate. Pence on a platter could be the price of that.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:25:53am

re: #389 BigPapa

For every person who said ‘Trump is a businessman’ as if it’s a good thing, this is what you get. An executive who thinks he’s CEO and can just make new rules on the fly.

But even a businessman who operates as CEO in a large public company knows there are rules, charters, a Board, that he works for.

Trump tried that once. It failed. His casinos were a publicly traded business.

Every other Trump business was a privately owned business. Passthrough entities. LLCs. Partnerships. Never having to answer to shareholders or a board, not when he was the board and controlled things.

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DuckDharma  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:04am

re: #394 Skandal

the tweet was not deleted.

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Jay C  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:09am

re: #393 KGxvi

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

AYFKM? These are 21st-Century Republican Congresscritters. The sort who can quite easily equate “the greater good” with their “own political fortunes” - every day and twice on Sunday.

But “pissing off Trump’s base” is key: just for myself, I think that that “base” is a LOT smaller than the Trumpistas imagine - and that many (?most?) “mainstream” GOPers have a better handle on what their constituents will or won’t put up with.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:46am

re: #402 Targetpractice

We have to remember that impeachment requires a criminal act. As of this very moment, we’ve got a suspicion but no concrete evidence that the White House (read: Bannon) has ordered CBP to defy a federal court order. Until we have that, then they could conceivably offer the defense in court that this was a decision made further down the chain of command and whoever made it was doing so of his own volition.

Trump’s such a blowhard that he’d likely implicate himself. “Yeah, of course I told ‘em not to obey some court order….I’m the President, goddammit, they do what I tell ‘em to do!!”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:56am

re: #400 Dr Lizardo

On the one hand, if they remove Trump now, yes, the base will be livid. However, that still leaves plenty of time between now and the mid-terms next November - and voters in general tend to have short memories. It’s a calculated risk that if Trump is impeached and removed within the next 90 days, it’ll have blown over with the base by 11/2018. But it could work - politics is, after all, the art of the impossible.

We’re trying to apply logic with illogical people. Who in the hell knows how Branch Trumpidians would react to the 25th amendment being invoked.

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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:56am

re: #343 Targetpractice

I have to find myself agreeing, this is a prime opportunity to show that the DNC does motivate people and does care about the oppressed…and they’re allowing it to go by. I’d like to think that’s because they have some plan in place to spring tomorrow, but I figure it’s more likely that the party is so disorganized that nobody wants to speak up for fear of making themselves a target. So we get the proforma “we oppose this action” statements and not much else.

The DNC is worthless. I put the blame on DWS, but it wasn’t just her. The whole organization is dead. It’s as though they don’t give a damn about anything other than just being.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:27:58am

re: #407 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s such a blowhard that he’d likely implicate himself. “Yeah, of course I told ‘em not to obey some court order….I’m the President, goddammit, they do what I tell ‘em to do!!”

He probably will, but we have to keep feeding him rope until we get that point.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:28:01am

re: #408 Myron Falwell

We’re trying to apply logic with illogical people. Who in the hell knows how Branch Trumpidians would react to the 25th amendment being invoked.

LOLOL

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:28:35am

re: #402 Targetpractice

We have to remember that impeachment requires a criminal act. As of this very moment, we’ve got a suspicion but no concrete evidence that the White House (read: Bannon) has ordered CBP to defy a federal court order. Until we have that, then they could conceivably offer the defense in court that this was a decision made further down the chain of command and whoever made it was doing so of his own volition.

That’s why I said in my first comment that if Trump comes out and says he’s going to ignore the order. That said, if Congress moved, the administration could not go to the Courts. Impeachment is entirely within the purview of Congress. In short “high crimes and misdemeanors” means whatever Congress says it means. If 217 members of the House agree and 67 senators agree, then it’s game over

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:28:50am

re: #395 Dr Lizardo

Seems to me this is going to come to a head sometime in the next 24 to 48 hours.

The Trump playbook has always been to stonewall and counterattack in court.

As long as congress continues to cower, Trump and men with guns will do what they want to do.

Make no mistake, this is now rule by men with guns.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:29:32am

re: #403 Decatur Deb

But in this world, the GOP leadership (ha) are not able to remove their problem children without Dem cooperation in the House and Senate. Pence on a platter could be the price of that.

Any deal made to impeach and remove Trump between the GOP and the DNC would no doubt include some sort of leash being put on Pence. It may be for show, it may even be an illusion, but the DNC leadership would insist that Pence be kept in line by his party to avoid a repeat.

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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:30:03am

re: #369 BigPapa

Trump (Bannon) are not nominating the best and brightest for cabinet positions because they’re the best for the job, they’re being nominated for loyalty in executing Trump’s orders.

He’s a dictator, plain and simple.

He’s going to be REAL SOON NOW if the GOP doesn’t do something to stop him. The problem is, why would they? They love what he’s doing to the country.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:30:48am

re: #414 Targetpractice

Any deal made to impeach and remove Trump between the GOP and the DNC would no doubt include some sort of leash being put on Pence. It may be for show, it may even be an illusion, but the DNC leadership would insist that Pence be kept in line by his party to avoid a repeat.

And Bannon, Conway, et al, would all have to go.

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sagehen  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:30:56am

re: #404 lawhawk

Trump tried that once. It failed. His casinos were a publicly traded business.

Every other Trump business was a privately owned business. Passthrough entities. LLCs. Partnerships. Never having to answer to shareholders or a board, not when he was the board and controlled things.

His USFL team was privately owned; but he fucked that one so badly it brought down the whole league.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:31:55am

re: #393 KGxvi

No matter the scenario with impeachment or internecine war in the GOP, the outcome is chaos that benefits Russia. They gain no matter the outcome from this point forward.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:32:33am

re: #412 KGxvi

That’s why I said in my first comment that if Trump comes out and says he’s going to ignore the order. That said, if Congress moved, the administration could not go to the Courts. Impeachment is entirely within the purview of Congress. In short “high crimes and misdemeanors” means whatever Congress says it means. If 217 members of the House agree and 67 senators agree, then it’s game over

The removal stage of tossing his ass out of office is effectively run as a trial and observes much of the decorum of a criminal trial. As such, we have to bear in mind that just saying “We think he’s an asshole so he’s guilty” is not a valid prosecutorial tool. Without some evidence of willful action on Trump’s part, he could conceivably toss the whole mess on an underling and skate. And in such a scenario, the DNC would be where the GOP was in ‘98.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:32:45am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

And Bannon, Conway, et al, would all have to go.

They all serve at the pleasure of the president. Pence would being in his own people

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:32:59am

re: #418 lawhawk

No matter the scenario with impeachment or internecine war in the GOP, the outcome is chaos that benefits Russia. They gain no matter the outcome from this point forward.

True, but we’re there anyway. Removing Trump and having President Pence doing an apology tour could at least do something.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:34:12am

re: #418 lawhawk

No matter the scenario with impeachment or internecine war in the GOP, the outcome is chaos that benefits Russia. They gain no matter the outcome from this point forward.

I again reiterate my belief that Putin never intended to control Trump, but had every intention of creating so much chaos in the system that it rendered our gov’t ineffective while he did whatever he wanted.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:34:39am

Better replace Pence with a Gerald Ford first.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:35:47am

OT: I’m at the Danny Kyle Stage show, part of Celtic Connections. The current performer is very good. You can hear it on the Celtic Music Radio website right now. celticmusicradio.net

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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:36:18am

re: #421 Belafon

True, but we’re there anyway. Removing Trump and having President Pence doing an apology tour could at least do something.

They may be his people. Kellyanne will sell her ass to anyone, overnight. Look how she went to Trump after trashing him for Cruz. Bannon, who knows.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:36:57am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

Better replace Pence with a Gerald Ford first.

I don’t think you’d find a whole lot to get him on. I’ll settle for removing Trump and Bannon.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:38:10am

Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar’s press conference this morning.

Facebook

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:38:20am

re: #425 Skip Intro

They may be his people. Kellyanne will sell her ass to anyone, overnight. Look how she went to Trump after trashing him for Cruz. Bannon, who knows.

I was thinking that one of the things that the Democrats could accept in return for helping convict Trump would be having Congress set the members of the NSC.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:38:53am

re: #426 Belafon

I don’t think you’d find a whole lot to get him on. I’ll settle for removing Trump and Bannon.

Then keep Trump, if just for the novelty.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:39:33am

re: #427 stpaulbear

Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar’s press conference this morning.

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So far, Franken seems to be the closest thing the DNC has to a leader.

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:39:47am

re: #419 Targetpractice

The removal stage of tossing his ass out of office is effectively run as a trial and observes much of the decorum of a criminal trial. As such, we have to bear in mind that just saying “We think he’s an asshole so he’s guilty” is not a valid prosecutorial tool. Without some evidence of willful action on Trump’s part, he could conceivably toss the whole mess on an underling and skate. And in such a scenario, the DNC would be where the GOP was in ‘98.

Yes and no. Impeachment is a trial, but the rules are left to the Senate. As is the standard for guilt. In other words, it is as much a political act as it is a judicial one. There’s a reason why the Clinton impeachment got 50 votes on one and 45 on the other charge. Senators could very easily decide “fuck him, I’m voting guilty.” You think Graham, Rubio, Cruz, and McCain wouldn’t enjoy the opportunity to stick it to Trump?

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:39:50am

re: #342 JasonA

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:40:49am

Gah, the POS Michael McCaul (who is my rep) was involved in drafting the executive order, if one takes Giuliani seriously. Scared-of-77-year-old-grannies coward.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:41:40am

re: #343 Targetpractice

I have to find myself agreeing, this is a prime opportunity to show that the DNC does motivate people and does care about the oppressed…and they’re allowing it to go by. I’d like to think that’s because they have some plan in place to spring tomorrow, but I figure it’s more likely that the party is so disorganized that nobody wants to speak up for fear of making themselves a target. So we get the proforma “we oppose this action” statements and not much else.

While I wholeheartedly agree that dems are, in general, spineless, but this is not normal (nothing Trump is normal) and I think if dems start doing this it will look more political than what it is…a fucking constitutional crisis. This has to come from the people. Dems can react to that but I do not think it is smart if they drive it.

Just my two cents.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:42:59am

re: #432 MsJ

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Watch for ostracism of us by the rest of the world very shortly. We are destroying 75 years of good will in a fucking week.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:43:19am

I just can’t.

FINDING DORY.

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Droid Builder  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:43:33am

re: #389 BigPapa

For every person who said ‘Trump is a businessman’ as if it’s a good thing, this is what you get. An executive who thinks he’s CEO and can just make new rules on the fly.

But even a businessman who operates as CEO in a large public company knows there are rules, charters, a Board, that he works for.

And Trump has never worked in a public corporation so he does not understand the rules, charters or the responsibility of a Board of Directors. He only understands how to run a business from the inner workings of a small cabal.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:43:47am

re: #351 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Ms. Mensch herself floated the possibility it was the Chuckster. Certainly fits his MO.

It is far too restrained for either Bannon or Furby, IMHO. I don’t think either would be able to ratfuck so succinctly and non-insanely for this long.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:44:42am

re: #424 Alephnaught

OT: I’m at the Danny Kyle Stage show, part of Celtic Connections. The current performer is very good. You can hear it on the Celtic Music Radio website right now. celticmusicradio.net

The current acts not too bad either.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:45:12am
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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:45:30am

re: #418 lawhawk

No matter the scenario with impeachment or internecine war in the GOP, the outcome is chaos that benefits Russia. They gain no matter the outcome from this point forward.

Some times you have to give up ground to win. Yes, short term, chaos benefits Russia. But the longer Trump remains in the Oval Office, the greater the benefit to Russia.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:45:37am

re: #430 Targetpractice

So far, Franken seems to be the closest thing the DNC has to a leader.

He’s smart and fearless. I hope he keeps wanting to be our senator.

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HypnoToad  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:46:22am

re: #436 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I just can’t.

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FINDING DORY.

At least he could watch something with a more relevant message like Zootopia.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:46:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:46:34am

re: #440 Scottish Dragon

Well, Reagan proved that SS lives matter. Ramones even did a little song about it.

Ramones - Bonzo Goes to Bitburg

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:46:54am

re: #434 MsJ

While I wholeheartedly agree that dems are, in general, spineless, but this is not normal (nothing Trump is normal) and I think if dems start doing this it will look more political than what it is…a fucking constitutional crisis. This has to come from the people. Dems can react to that but I do not think it is smart if they drive it.

Just my two cents.

THIS. Let us force the issue.

Not because of distrust of the Democrats, but the GOP majority would treat Trump as a political martyr at the hands of Teh Anti-American Libtard Whackos. Us rising up and demanding his removal denies them that way out.

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:47:24am

re: #368 scottslemmons

At this point, I’m not sure the Rage Furby has enough self-control to masquerade as anyone. If Chuckles were running that account, it’d already be ranting about blacks, Jews, and women, would be linking to his website, and would probably have one post that just said “I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS CHUCK C. JOHNSON IS, BUT AT LEAST HE IS FAMOUS, NOT LIKE THAT HIPPIE WHO STOLE MY NAME AND HOLY SHIT, MY HOT ASIAN WIFE IS HOT AND AN ASIAN.”

Chuckles don’t really do subtle anymore.

I’ve been treating that account very skeptically, but so far from the posts I haven’t been able to see what agenda it could be pushing that would be positive for Bannon or Trump. If it is a fake account (again, certainly possible) it’s playing a long game.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:47:28am

re: #444 Scottish Dragon

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“If only the Jews had had firearms…” seems rather hollow today, doesn’t it?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:47:39am

re: #442 stpaulbear

He’s smart and fearless. I hope he keeps wanting to be our senator.

I had half expected him to retire after his current term if HRC had been elected.

Now, with Trump, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t keep fighting for as long as he can.

I just wish all three of my Congressional representatives were as awesome as Franken and Klobuchar. (I’m stuck with Tom Emmer.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:48:25am

re: #440 Scottish Dragon

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No Reince the Jewish people were the target of the Holocaust you ignorant prick.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:49:05am

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:49:09am

Lizards, I think we will have to assume at some point that Trump will use NSC surveillance means against US citizens (IE most of us) for malevolent purposes. The free press was explicitly threatened not 2 hours ago by Conway on the air.

We have to start thinking about alternate means of communication and coordination for resistance.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:51:21am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

Lizards, I think we will have to assume at some point that Trump will use NSC surveillance means against US citizens (IE most of us) for malevolent purposes. The free press was explicitly threatened not 2 hours ago by Conway on the air.

We have to start thinking about alternate means of communication and coordination for resistance.

Doesn’t matter, your toaster will narc you.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:52:43am

We have a constitutional crisis building right now.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:53:17am

re: #376 JasonA

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:53:25am

re: #401 Belafon

The tweet hasn’t been deleted, the SPLC did the search wrong, with the wrong name.

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We have to do everything we can to be correct and accurate. Error is an opening to paint motives in the most negative terms: they knew it was in error, therefore they lied. It’s clearly projection but it happens and worsens signal to noise.

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:53:37am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:54:29am
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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:54:52am

re: #454 Scottish Dragon

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We have a constitutional crisis building right now.

If this is indeed a remark from the White House, this is indeed their legal position, then Congress needs to act and it needs to act now. No waiting for the courts to handle it, because the White House has just said the courts have no power over anything the President does.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:54:53am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

Lizards, I think we will have to assume at some point that Trump will use NSC surveillance means against US citizens (IE most of us) for malevolent purposes. The free press was explicitly threatened not 2 hours ago by Conway on the air.

We have to start thinking about alternate means of communication and coordination for resistance.

I’m pretty sure exactly 0 news people were shaking in their boots after KellayAnne said that. I suspect she’ll deny she threatened them by next weeken.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:55:12am

re: #449 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I had half expected him to retire after his current term if HRC had been elected.

Now, with Trump, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t keep fighting for as long as he can.

I just wish all three of my Congressional representatives were as awesome as Franken and Klobuchar. (I’m stuck with Tom Emmer.)

Being stuck with Emmer sucks. Imagine the boat MN would be in now if he’d become governor.

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:55:22am
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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:55:54am

re: #454 Scottish Dragon

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We have a constitutional crisis building right now.

I would have taken the over at 1.5 weeks on a bet of when Trump pulls a “the Chief Justice has made his ruling now let him enforce it” move.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:56:39am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

Lizards, I think we will have to assume at some point that Trump will use NSC surveillance means against US citizens (IE most of us) for malevolent purposes. The free press was explicitly threatened not 2 hours ago by Conway on the air.

We have to start thinking about alternate means of communication and coordination for resistance.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:56:44am

re: #456 BigPapa

We have to do everything we can to be correct and accurate. Error is an opening to paint motives in the most negative terms: they knew it was in error, therefore they lied. It’s clearly projection but it happens and worsens signal to noise.

It also means that we all have to be like Luke Skywalker threading the needle into the Death Star continuously, on a 24/7 basis.

Not saying it can’t be done, but it sure as hell won’t be easy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:57:01am

re: #459 Targetpractice

If this is indeed a remark from the White House, this is indeed their legal position, then Congress needs to act and it needs to act now. No waiting for the courts to handle it, because the White House has just said the courts have no power over anything the President does.

I strongly suspect the Trump junta will even ignore a SCOTUS ruling that goes against them.

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sagehen  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:57:05am

re: #428 Belafon

I was thinking that one of the things that the Democrats could accept in return for helping convict Trump would be having Congress set the members of the NSC.

R’s control both houses; if they put Trump on trial, the D’s will vote to convict. Don’t have to offer them anything, because they’re not going to object to having him out.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:57:13am

re: #460 Belafon

I’m pretty sure exactly 0 news people were shaking in their boots after KellayAnne said that. I suspect she’ll deny she threatened them by next weeken within the next five minutes..

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:57:33am

re: #393 KGxvi

If Trump is removed, Pence becomes president. My guess is that Ryan and McConnell would prefer to work with him. He’s more predictable and better fits the mold of “traditional Republican politician.”

The issue they are more likely to consider is whether pissing off Trump’s base will cost them in 2018 and 2020. But at some point, the greater good must outweigh your own political fortunes, right?

You know you’re talking about Republicans, right?

Just checking.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:58:28am

re: #453 Decatur Deb

I am not any expert on opsec measures or how to coordinate secret resistance movements. I have never seriously thought any such thing wold even be possible to seriously contemplate in the US. I mean, this is tin foil hat shit.

But we now have an overtly fascist regime in power that seems to be defying established law, beginning to wage religious persecution and threatening the press. All within 9 days of taking power.

We have to recognize that we are going to be next on the chopping block, and we have to start preparing for how to deal with that. The RWNJ sites are full of people chomping at the bit to actually start shooting protesters. I have seen the posts. I’m sure many of you have as well. We have seen this movie before…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:59:34am

re: #466 Dr Lizardo

I strongly suspect the Trump junta will even ignore a SCOTUS ruling that goes against them.

And what then? Do the courts and SCOTUS force him out? Does the military force him out? Do blue states and blue cities rebel and break away?

It’s a shittacular list of options, none of which have any satisfactory outcome.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:59:40am

re: #132 Kragar

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We’ve been paying to keep Red States afloat for years. If Trump tries to cut us off from our own money, this seems only fair.

Hashtag not all red states. Mine pays its own way. We get exactly back what we pay in.

And you don’t think in response that Trump’s merry band of fascists couldn’t find one Navy commander to launch a bevy of cruise missiles into Los Angeles and San Francisco in response? Just one? After California is declared a “domestic enemy” that guy gets constitutional cover. He’d be a bloody hero to a whole bunch of wingnuts.

One naval vessel today has more firepower than the entire US Navy in the Civil War. How many ships does California have? What air force can California wield against the US Navy?

Oh right, none.

That world’s sixth largest economy is nice. Would be a shame if California lost it. I’m sure there aren’t any reactionary wingnuts that would cheer liberal California being destroyed. Look at pictures of Aleppo and come back with us if you really think that’s what you want.

As was famously noted in the Revolution: We must all hang together, or we will surely hang separately. That includes red states, that includes blue states. The nihilists in charge would love to take a go at California, at that I have no doubt.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:00:02am

re: #454 Scottish Dragon

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We have a constitutional crisis building right now.

Jesus.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:00:21am

re: #460 Belafon

I’m pretty sure exactly 0 news people were shaking in their boots after KellayAnne said that. I suspect she’ll deny she threatened them by next weeken.

They are not backing off. In fact, she doubled down on what Bannon said 2 days ago.

The question becomes: What steps will Trump and Bannon take to start punishing the press?

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:00:36am

re: #406 Jay C

AYFKM? These are 21st-Century Republican Congresscritters. The sort who can quite easily equate “the greater good” with their “own political fortunes” - every day and twice on Sunday.

But “pissing off Trump’s base” is key: just for myself, I think that that “base” is a LOT smaller than the Trumpistas imagine - and that many (?most?) “mainstream” GOPers have a better handle on what their constituents will or won’t put up with.

And, IIRC, these elected officials were getting earfuls of REPEAL OBAMACARE? I NEED THAT! I THOUGHT TRUMP WAS JUST TRASH TALKING! from their constitutes where many ran from their own voters rather than listen. While they may not have listened, they had to have heard. Which makes it a shade more possible to remove him for the greater good of their own reelections.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:00:37am

Of course, as I remain a cynic, a reread of the statement also seems like it could thread the needle. Just say that it applies only to those who have been stopped overseas, not those already here, and allow those in detention now to be released. Argue that the court order has been fulfilled, the detainees in custody released, and any who try to travel afterward will not be considered covered under the existing court order.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:01:13am

re: #374 BeachDem

Remember way back (last week) when people thought Lindsey Graham was one of the better Republican hopes to stand up to the yam? Yeah—good times. The latest press releases from his office:

1/27/17 Graham Statement On The March For Life
1/25/17 Graham Signs Onto Obamacare Replacement Plan
1/25/17 Graham Supports Federal Assistance To Help Chicago Prosecute Gun Crimes
1/24/17 Graham Applauds Trump Executive Order Approving Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines

And not one fucking word about the refugee ban (despite two local stories.) Nope, his latest tweet is from some Friday night chamber of commerce shindig.

Spit.

Miss Lindsay is every bit the Rock of Jell-0 that Old Fart McCain is!

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Donkey With No Name  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:01:33am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:01:38am

re: #459 Targetpractice

If this is indeed a remark from the White House, this is indeed their legal position, then Congress needs to act and it needs to act now. No waiting for the courts to handle it, because the White House has just said the courts have no power over anything the President does.

Congress isn’t going to do shit.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:01:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:02:19am

re: #471 Myron Falwell

And what then? Do the courts and SCOTUS force him out? Does the military force him out? Do blue states and blue cities rebel and break away?

It’s a shittacular list of options, none of which have any satisfactory outcome.

Personally, I suspect that ignoring a SCOTUS ruling might be too much to stomach for the GOP; it’d be so far beyond the pale that even Ryan and McConnell, both professional politicians who, despite my profound disagreements with them, actually understand how government works, would finally be compelled to say, “Enough.”

If not……..well, then your shittacular list of options comes into play.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:02:50am

re: #409 Skip Intro

The DNC is worthless. I put the blame on DWS, but it wasn’t just her. The whole organization is dead. It’s as though they don’t give a damn about anything other than just being.

I disagree. I think they live in the mindset that the government is supposed to function (see how Obama was throughout his presidency). Dems cooperated with Bush. I do not think Dems would cooperate overwhelmingly with this shit but at the same time they do not want to burn down the country.

Honestly, I do not know what is right and wrong for them to do right now, but making this even look peripherally like a democratic witchhunt is not what is needed. Because if that happens we all lose every opportunity to get rid of trump.

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harlequinade  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:04:37am

re: #447 Donkey With No Name

I’ve been treating that account very skeptically, but so far from the posts I haven’t been able to see what agenda it could be pushing that would be positive for Bannon or Trump. If it is a fake account (again, certainly possible) it’s playing a long game.

It’s to detabalise the idea that we can trust any information. If we devour this feed, and share information with it, or use it in anyway - and find out it’s someone in the administration - that breaks all trust with any information. How can we trust people organising protests etc.

Exactly what Putin did when he came back to power.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:04:38am

re: #427 stpaulbear

Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar’s press conference this morning.

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I don’t have 42 minutes to watch…I have to go shortly. Can you possibly recap?

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:04:40am

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:04:53am

re: #474 Scottish Dragon

They are not backing off. In fact, she doubled down on what Bannon said 2 days ago.

The question becomes: What steps will Trump and Bannon take to start punishing the press?

KellyAnne is a distraction. And just wait until Trump tries to have a reporter arrested. Remember this: There was no reason for most of the protesters to show up at the air ports.

I get that we’re in a crisis. It’s an awful lot like other crises in our history. But, unlike other times in our history, there are a whole lot of people who care about what they are doing.

Did you see where one of the groups trying to help refugees called for lawyers and got over 3000 volunteers?

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:05:04am

Maybe it’s just me, but I think who is in charge of the DNC at this very moment is not the highest priority.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:05:59am

re: #435 Scottish Dragon

Watch for ostracism of us by the rest of the world very shortly. We are destroying destroyed 75 years of good will in a fucking week.

FIFY

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:06:25am

re: #470 Scottish Dragon

I am not any expert on opsec measures or how to coordinate secret resistance movements. I have never seriously thought any such thing wold even be possibly to seriously contemplate in the US. I mean, this is tin foil hat shit.

But we now have an overtly fascist regime in power that seems to be defying established law, beginning to wage religious persecution and threatening the press. All within 9 days of taking power.

We have to recognize that we are going to be next on the chopping block, and we have to start preparing for how to deal with that. The RWNJ sites are full of people chomping at the bit to actually start shooting protesters. I have seen the posts. I’m sure many of you have as well. We have seen this movie before…

Left-wing fantasies of forcible resistance are as unrealistic as the RWNJ militia loons. We are not the Free French, there will be no Overlord, the 101st isn’t coming to the rescue.

We had our chance in November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:06:42am

re: #388 Interesting Times

Don’t assume everything’s a “distraction”

Some things were, like the Titter fights with Meryl Streep or John Lewis…

But we have to sop trying to look into his heart and have a long hard look at what he is actually doing.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:07:58am

re: #443 HypnoToad

At least he could watch something with a more relevant message like Zootopia.

It wouldn’t matter. Children’s films resonate with kids on one level and adults on another (based on the film, of course) but a kid won’t “get” some of the messages of some films.

And trump is a child in mind. He wouldn’t get it either.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:08:05am

re: #481 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I suspect that ignoring a SCOTUS ruling might be too much to stomach for the GOP; it’d be so far beyond the pale that even Ryan and McConnell, both professional politicians who, despite my profound disagreements with them, actually understand how government works, would finally be compelled to say, “Enough.”

If not……..well, then your shittacular list of options comes into play.

They will weasel around it. “There is some question as to the correct interpretation of the Court’s order. Court action has been brought against the Administration, and we are confident that this matter will be appropriately resolved.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:08:32am

re: #472 Anymouse

The real danger comes if when other nations declare war against us for threatening the destruction of California, or making good on that threat.

What with the way Bannon and Trump are making enemies out of everyone that isn’t named Netanyahu and Putin…

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:08:35am

re: #491 MsJ

“If we just laid out some rocks…”

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:08:35am

re: #458 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:09:41am

re: #495 Tigger2

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:10:28am

re: #447 Donkey With No Name

I’ve been treating that account very skeptically, but so far from the posts I haven’t been able to see what agenda it could be pushing that would be positive for Bannon or Trump. If it is a fake account (again, certainly possible) it’s playing a long game.

If it is a fake account, it is, thus far, on the right side.

The thing that has me thinking it isn’t real was the original profile description spelling a word (which I cannot recall; demoraliSing or some such) using the Kings English (an S instead of the American Z).

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:10:51am

re: #316 MsJ

Remember that Bannon’s goals are similar to Ryan’s. They both want to starve (grannies and babies), stop abortion, roll back SSI, SocSec, Medicare and do away with Medicaid, and all the other things Ryan wanted since…forever. If Trump does it he gets the blame, per se, but the end result is the same.

Once all that is done, THEN Ryan might do something. But not until. And congress, now held by the GOP, will not do anything to return these programs if they ever decide to dump trump.

Goal achieved.

My guess is when all those goals are achieved, President Bannon would have Rep. Ryan arrested. Ryan will have outlived his usefulness, and Bannon is an opponent of Ryan.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:11:12am

re: #489 Decatur Deb

Left-wing fantasies of forcible resistance are as unrealistic as the RWNJ militia loons. We are not the Free French, there will be no Overlord, the 101st isn’t coming to the rescue.

We had our chance in November.

Not talking about armed resistance. I have no illusion that there would be any chance for that succeeding against the militarized police we ave now.

However, there are alternatives, as the Jedi might say.

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:11:23am

re: #495 Tigger2

It’s Sunday, moran.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:11:32am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

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Archangelus  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:12:06am

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“Dear Reince: kindly kneel, naked & defenseless, at the bottom of a ravine, then die of a hail of bullets. No love, Jews everywhere.”

Swear to Dog, so tempted to tweet that right now…

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JasonA  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:12:25am

re: #501 MsJ

I thought that was a private comment, no?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:12:35am

re: #501 MsJ

This will have to be done offline completely. And, in 3d, one has to worry about agitators.

Yes. The moment you see someone pushing for violence, you have to assume you are dealing with a plant.

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Droid Builder  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:12:47am

re: #458 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

What is funny about the protests in front of the White House is that these are something Trump cannot avoid. Other Presidents might have escaped to Camp David for the weekend and thus pretend to be unaware however Trump has already dissed Camp David as being only “some wooden cabins and open space - if you like that kind of thing’.

Sad.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:13:18am

re: #458 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

THIS is what has to be done every single day. Massive peaceful protests in front of both the WH and at Trump Tower (and all Trump properties on public land, not breaking laws).

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Skandal  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:13:33am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:15:13am

re: #504 Scottish Dragon

Yes. The moment you see someone pushing for violence, you have to assume you are dealing with a plant.

Exactly. Eternal vigilance turned up to 11.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:16:03am

re: #462 Skandal

The saddest damn thing about that, aside from how it is affecting people’s lives (which really is THE saddest thing) is that we, as a country, are about to have a major brain suck. Canada is going to beg these folks to join them…as they should. We, America, loses.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:17:28am

I’m sorry, I have interrupted your breakfast. My bad I’ll be on my way, just let me put this camera away…

Sunday Morning Macro

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:18:01am

re: #493 Myron Falwell

The real danger comes if when other nations declare war against us for threatening the destruction of California, or making good on that threat.

What with the way Bannon and Trump are making enemies out of everyone that isn’t named Netanyahu and Putin…

We have the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. No one is coming to save us. There would be a lot of condemnation if California was attacked, but that’s it.

One of the two Calexit groups is run by a guy who lives in Siberia. Bets on whether Russia would like to see California leave (or be destroyed).

We do it ourselves, or it doesn’t get done.

Netanyahu is slobbering all over Trump over a southern border wall: It gives him cover for his along the Occupied West Bank. (I’ve been to the West Bank. I was treated well when I was there, but I am not sure how Palestinians would treat an American now.)

Wingnut Christians love Netanyahu, and they need Israel for their Armageddon.

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:18:46am

re: #452 Scottish Dragon

Lizards, I think we will have to assume at some point that Trump will use NSC surveillance means against US citizens (IE most of us) for malevolent purposes. The free press was explicitly threatened not 2 hours ago by Conway on the air.

We have to start thinking about alternate means of communication and coordination for resistance.

You realize that this is exactly why the US Navy funded the research that gave us The Onion Router (TOR) project that is mainly used for criminal activities? It’s still the most secure means of communications available to the general public.

torproject.org

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:19:37am

re: #500 JasonA

It’s Sunday, moran.

And it’s not like there weren’t any retirees, military veterans, &c at either the Women’s March or the airport protests. Everyone knows those groups only have conservatives.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:20:04am

re: #512 William Lewis

You realize that this is exactly why the US Navy funded the research that gave us The Onion Router (TOR) project that is mainly used for criminal activities? It’s still the most secure means of communications available to the general public.

torproject.org

And almost is guaranteed to have a back door installed by the same US Navy.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:23:08am

re: #486 Belafon

KellyAnne is a distraction. And just wait until Trump tries to have a reporter arrested. Remember this: There was no reason for most of the protesters to show up at the air ports.

I get that we’re in a crisis. It’s an awful lot like other crises in our history. But, unlike other times in our history, there are a whole lot of people who care about what they are doing.

Did you see where one of the groups trying to help refugees called for lawyers and got over 3000 volunteers?

Felony Charges for Journalists Arrested at Inauguration Protests Raise Fears for Press Freedom

Charges against Vocativ journalist dropped.

Four more journalists charged

What were you saying? :-)

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:23:12am

re: #514 Anymouse

And almost is guaranteed to have a back door installed by the same US Navy.

The code base has been away from them for a long time. Otherwise it would not be causing the FBI as much grief as it does.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:23:55am

re: #511 Anymouse

We have the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. No one is coming to save us. There would be a lot of condemnation if California was attacked, but that’s it.

One of the two Calexit groups is run by a guy who lives in Siberia. Bets on whether Russia would like to see California leave (or be destroyed).

Russia no doubt would want both to happen, in that same order. Maximum international humiliation for the United States.

Plus Putin is connected to that insane anarchist theorist who advocates an apocalypse in his own right.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:27:10am

re: #503 JasonA

I thought that was a private comment, no?

It wasn’t but it is now.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:27:19am

re: #516 William Lewis

The code base has been away from them for a long time. Otherwise it would not be causing the FBI as much grief as it does.

I wonder how they got Silk Road and Megaupload?

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:28:41am

re: #504 Scottish Dragon

Yes. The moment you see someone pushing for violence, you have to assume you are dealing with a plant.

Absolutely. No violence at all. Protests, rallies, editorials. Large, unignorable protests and rallies. Cogent editorials. And when live, everything on camera being uploaded to the cloud. RESISTANCE! It absolutely should not be violent in any way.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:51:17am

re: #484 MsJ

I don’t have 42 minutes to watch…I have to go shortly. Can you possibly recap?

Imigration is a necessary part of America. Immigrants are good. Trump’s EO is unconstitutional (Klobuchar was really good here). We’re going to fight this every way possible, although legislation takes longer than these people can wait. Klobuchar is getting names of republicans who are against the ban.

I just finished watching it myself. Sorry for the delay.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 29, 2017 • 3:08:02pm

IMHO, the implementation (or lack of) of the Muslim Ban is a perfect example of Trump’s total lack of qualifications for the job.

Incompetence at it’s best.


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