Donald Trump Removes the Judicial Branch From the “Our Government” Section of the White House Website

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UPDATE at 1/29/17 7:55:30 pm by Charles Johnson

Check for yourself:

Here’s what it looked like on January 19th.

Here’s what it looks like today.

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815 comments
1
Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:17:27pm

h/t Daily Kos:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:18:36pm

What’s the likelihood that the Trump website was outsourced?

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:19:39pm

“Resources” are missing, too.

🎶🎶 You’re on your own 🎶🎶

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:23:28pm

The new NSC principals committee

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:24:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:24:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:26:02pm

Dead thread posted again.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:26:19pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:27:29pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:29:48pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s start with soap and water.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:29:50pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

What’s the likelihood that the Trump website was outsourced?

To Mexico.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:30:08pm

Emergency response video from Quebec shooting

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:32:55pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:33:27pm

Link has probably the most information I’ve seen yet

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weave  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:34:11pm

Ah comment on this article on Redstate….

What American rights do these foreign visitors have when they land at American airports. They have no rights and American judges should not have the ability to make any statement about it. These judges should be removed because they do not know their duties.

Ah yes — the people who think they own the Constitution and are always whining about judges need to be strict Constitutionalists - and don’t understand that it applies to all people here, not just citizens.

Who’s Coordinating Airport Protests And Litigation Resulting In Three Courts Temporally Restraining Trump’s Extreme Vetting Order?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:34:18pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:35:16pm
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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:37:27pm

Love how they describe what have been very large and peaceful protests as riots.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:38:17pm

1984 is still out of stock at both Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:39:31pm

As I’m watching the news, the reporter on the scene says that they are not searching for any more shooters:

Translated tweets from the Quebec Premier:

“Islamic cultural center shooting: the Government is mobilized to ensure the safety of the population of #Québec. #polqc

“The #Québec rejects categorically this barbaric violence. All our solidarity to the families of the victims, the injured and their families.”

“Let us unite against violence. Solidarity with Quebecers of the Muslim faith.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:39:54pm
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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:40:02pm

re: #19 stpaulbear

Got our copy in the mail Friday, but kids are reading Animal Farm and Faranheit 451 first

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:40:57pm
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gwangung  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:41:49pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

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Even the Republican pols are smarter and more thorough than the current White House clowns…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:44:21pm

The entire administration is operating out of their depth

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KGxvi  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:49:31pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

I am going to believe the Congressional staffers. Regardless of ideology, they are professionals who understand the system. Also, didn’t someone post something a while back saying that one of the law firm’s that said they always sent two lawyers to any meeting with Trump?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:51:32pm

I’ve been binge watching It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Seems like I’m watching it play out live in the news since the inauguration…

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:53:08pm
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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:53:31pm

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

The entire administration is operating out of their depth

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Kinda makes one suspect it wasn’t so much about “national security” huh.

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:53:44pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart

I’ve been binge watching It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Seems like I’m watching it play out live in the news since the inauguration…

Ah Frank! And his basement gambling.

It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia - Franks Basement Gambling: Russian Roulette

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2017 • 7:56:16pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:01:14pm
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garzooma  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:01:27pm

re: #26 KGxvi

Also, didn’t someone post something a while back saying that one of the law firm’s that said they always sent two lawyers to any meeting with Trump?

Here’s something I know about regarding that:
Even Donald Trump’s lawyers think he’s a habitual liar
The lawyers weren’t just “saying” he was a liar. This was in a deposition, which I believe would have been under oath.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:01:52pm

It would not surprise me that Bannon ordered the removal just as Judge Donnelly threw up the first injunction against their Muslim Ban last night.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:03:09pm

It’s definitely curious to say the least.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:03:27pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:03:47pm

The whodunit for crimes by this administration can be given in Clue style (from the board game).

E.g., Twitler in the Spite House with the Tiny Hands

Bannon in the Torture Room with the Lethal Body Odor.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:03:57pm

“…Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Susan Niland says the shooting in Brownsville occurred before midnight Friday when a fight broke out at the armory. Initial reports indicate that the armory was being used for a high school party…”

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:05:33pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking San Diego y’all

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:05:37pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Idiot but please proceed.

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:05:56pm
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gwangung  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:05:59pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Experienced tyrants and dictators know how to dissemble better than these clowns.

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stpaulbear  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:06:01pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart

Is that near the school that had two students arrested for a planned Columbine-style shooting?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:06:50pm

re: #42 gwangung

Haven’t seen you in awhile!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:07:55pm

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke will respond to any protests…

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:08:45pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke will respond to any protests…

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With extreme violence.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:08:47pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke will respond to any protests…

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He’ll show his fascist colors again.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:09:23pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:11:37pm
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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:11:47pm

EDIT: this is fake news. But one fact remains: dude looks like Matt Forney.

I did a double take, thought it was Matt Forney. They sure do look alike.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:12:29pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke will respond to any protests…

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Best case scenario: he issues inflammatory tweets, dons an even larger cowboy hat and bitches for 20 excruciating minutes to a nodding Lumpy.

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:13:33pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea

Ah, I’m missed…thank you…

November was a real bummer…trying to strategize on social action to be effective.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:13:55pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

I wonder how Sheriff Clarke will respond to any protests…

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He’s enough of an egomaniac to try some of the good old ultra-violence to please his patron…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:13:59pm

re: #50 BigPapa

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I did a double take, thought it was Matt Forney. They sure do look alike.

Liberals obviously.//

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:14:57pm

Local NBC did some good coverage on the protests at IAH and Discovery Green today in Houston. Cool.

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:15:29pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:20:37pm

re: #50 BigPapa

“Reuters News Brk” identifies themselves as a “parody account.” What’s the best “report tweet” option to use in lieu of “fake fucking news that grossly exploits a tragedy and jeopardizes an ongoing investigation”?

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:22:10pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

Dammit, sorry. I hate that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:22:10pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

My senator!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:22:34pm

Why yes Rick, They did…

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KingKenrod  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:23:08pm

archive.org shows the Judicial Branch page was removed on Jan 20 at the same time other pages transitioned. My guess is they didn’t like what it said and decided they would re-write it later (or never), or just don’t care.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:25:16pm

re: #50 BigPapa

That’s not a Reuters twitter account
Reuter News Break
@ReutersBrk
Parody that’s not actually affiliated with Reuters in any way

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:27:34pm
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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:27:45pm

re: #61 KingKenrod

archive.org shows the Judicial Branch page was removed on Jan 20 at the same time other pages transitioned. My guess is they didn’t like what it said and decided they would re-write it later (or never), or just don’t care.

One other explanation: there is not a one among them who knows how our government works and that there are in fact three branches.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:27:56pm

re: #52 gwangung

Ah, I’m missed…thank you…

November was a real bummer…trying to strategize on social action to be effective.

Seriously, I consider you one of our wise members. Miss your input & need your input.

It’s been a struggle. And every single day it is worse.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:29:34pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

“Reuters News Brk” identifies themselves as a “parody account.” What’s the best “report tweet” option to use in lieu of “fake fucking news that grossly exploits a tragedy and jeopardizes an ongoing investigation”?

Dammit got to delete my re-tweet.

But this

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:29:38pm
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gwangung  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:30:54pm

re: #67 Scottish Dragon

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Isn’t this what happened with the LAST Republican administration?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:32:13pm

re: #61 KingKenrod

archive.org shows the Judicial Branch page was removed on Jan 20 at the same time other pages transitioned. My guess is they didn’t like what it said and decided they would re-write it later (or never), or just don’t care.

re: #64 allegro

One other explanation: there is not a one among them who knows how our government works and that there are in fact three branches.

There’s also the likelihood that Bannon did this as a 100% deliberate attack against the judicial branch, and never intended to restore or rewrite the page.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:32:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:33:14pm

re: #67 Scottish Dragon

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Makes total sense.//

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:33:33pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:33:41pm

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

Jesus fucking Christ.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:34:20pm

Amazing how people are rushing to conclude the removal of “The Judicial Branch” was just an innocent mistake. That’s not how things work at the level of the White House website. Nothing goes public until it goes through multiple levels of review and approval.

And if it’s not going through that kind of review, it’s even MORE disturbing. That means anything could go up on the White House website.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:35:59pm

re: #68 gwangung

Isn’t this what happened with the LAST Republican administration?

Yes, but they had the 22 year old interns writing policies in the Green Zone in Baghdad instead of rewriting our own laws by Imperial diktat.

The kids out of Claremont McKenna were writing ethics rules for the new Iraqi Stock Exchange, traffic pattern studies and various shit to get their GOP tickets punched for the big bucks wingnut welfare sinecures back home while the city burned the fuck down.

Yes, they were actually doing that shit.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:36:12pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

That’s why I’m invoking “24 hour rule” on the culprits. Anti-Muslim bigots are of course the most obvious suspects, though it could also be Daesh shitheads out to exact revenge for something or other (e.g. if the Mosque in any way cooperated with prior investigations or reported a member for being radicalized)

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:37:22pm

Two arrested (neither named on the Montreal 11:30 anglo newscast), one at the scene, one nearby.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:37:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:38:24pm
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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:39:18pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

What does Drupal have to do with it?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:41:01pm

Just got an email from Lyft. They are donating $1m to the ACLU over the next 4 years and they call out Trump by name.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:41:23pm

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

Sighting under threat is grounds for nullification.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:41:33pm

re: #80 retired cynic

What does Drupal have to do with it?

I work with that system. Without getting into technical details, it makes it super-easy to quickly remove a link or unpublish content.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:41:42pm

My computer borked (like the President’s administration seems to be doing) - for some reason every program on my computer started opening windows. Had to shut the whole thing down until I could figure it out.

Couldn’t figure it out, though I am sure nothing at Little Green Footballs caused it.

From the last thread, because I killed it:

re: #193 BeachDem

Update on Senate response—EVERY Dem Senator has now made a statement and/or an appearance at a protest in opposition to the ban

EXCEPT (of course) Joe Manchin.

docs.google.com

Edit to add—Manchin is tweeting about hunting, because of course he is.

re: #301 Anymouse

A bunch of someones should be flooding his Twitter channel demanding he stand with the Constitution or call him a quisling.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:42:12pm

re: #78 Scottish Dragon

Who would be pressuring green card holders on board an airplane?

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:42:42pm

“bound 4 LAX” suggests in flight.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:43:10pm

My only complaint is that the likeness isn’t disheveled enough:

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:43:35pm

re: #83 Interesting Times

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:43:59pm

re: #82 Belafon

Sighting under threat is grounds for nullification.

Doesn’t matter if they can force the poor bastards onto a flight and push them back out of any jurisdiction.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:44:24pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:45:21pm

OMG! It all makes sense now!

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:45:50pm

re: #85 jaunte

Who would be pressuring green card holders on board an airplane?

Happening while they are detained in a weird legal grey area where they are supposedly “not in the USA” because not having cleared customs.

Sign this and we will let you go and it will be okay

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:47:33pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:49:25pm

re: #68 gwangung

Isn’t this what happened with the LAST Republican administration?

At least the W administration had to have had someone who could READ what was drafted beyond the draftee himself.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:49:41pm
I find it odd how the Bible is super relevant if you have to bake a cake for some gays but not if desperate people need your help.

Related: people who post “let the refugees come live with you!” are gross.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:50:17pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:50:24pm
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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:52:26pm

re: #97 Scottish Dragon

Oh, God. I hope this is as stressful on them, stirring the pot, as it is on the rest of us! May they fly apart at the seams!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:52:28pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

My only complaint is that the likeness isn’t disheveled enough:

Trump’s hands are way too big. Otherwise, it’s perfect.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:54:07pm

A Chinese contestant for the Darwin award.

Last year, two Chinese ladies got into a yelling match at a drive through wildlife preserve. One lady got out of the car abruptly, and was quickly grabbed by a tiger and dragged off into the bush.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:56:09pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:56:21pm

re: #98 retired cynic

Oh, God. I hope this is as stressful on them, stirring the pot, as it is on the rest of us! May they fly apart at the seams!

Bannon is a fan of a cyclic theory of America history where paradigm changes happen every 80 years. He also thinks those changes are bound to large wars, and that a war…on the scale of WW2, may be necessary to actually implement the full scale of social and political chaos he wants to see.

Also, Bannon et al do not feel bound by any precedent in US history, legal or otherwise. They see us as a Tabula Rasa to remake.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:58:16pm
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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:58:20pm

re: #102 Scottish Dragon

Bannon is a fan of a cyclic theory of America history where paradigm changes happen every 80 years. He also thinks those changes are bound to large wars, and that a war…on the scale of WW2, may be necessary to actually implement the full scale of social and political chaos he wants to see.

Also, Bannon et al do not feel bound by any precedent in US history, legal or otherwise. They see us as a Tabula Rasa to remake.

Well, I see him as a dirty, ignorant drunk, and if anything needs remaking, it is him!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:58:42pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

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But Trump knows more than the generals.//

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:58:50pm

re: #88 retired cynic

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Maybe someone peeped the source code and noticed something common to Drupal. I kinda doubt the White House would be using that system, though.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:59:35pm

re: #104 retired cynic

Well, I see him as a dirty, ignorant drunk, and if anything needs remaking, it is him!

I am honestly terrified.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2017 • 8:59:37pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

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That is just mind boggling.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:00:14pm

Couple of photos from my get away last night to the Mission Inn in Riverside.

It was beautiful. The Rotunda is the best feature. Many others, but I was trying to have fun.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:02:18pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

Couple of photos from my get away last night to the Mission Inn in Riverside.

It was beautiful. The Rotunda is the best feature. Many others, but I was trying to have fun.

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Drove by it many times. Never went inside. :(

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:03:03pm

re: #106 makeitstop

Maybe someone peeped the source code and noticed something common to Drupal. I kinda doubt the White House would be using that system, though.

Er…

Big, exciting news! The flag ship website of the U.S. government, whitehouse.gov, just relaunched on Drupal. This is a big day for Drupal, and for Open Source in government, and something all of us in the community should be very proud of.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:04:22pm

re: #100 wheat-dogg

A Chinese contestant for the Darwin award.

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Last year, two Chinese ladies got into a yelling match at a drive through wildlife preserve. One lady got out of the car abruptly, and was quickly grabbed by a tiger and dragged off into the bush.

OMG

Especially the ladies fighting.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:05:16pm

re: #111 Interesting Times

Er…

Wow. Charles was right, they handed the site over to clowns. I wonder how long it will be before it’s hacked.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:05:24pm

re: #111 Interesting Times

Shows you what I know. Duh.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:05:49pm

re: #15 weave

Ah comment on this article on Redstate….

Ah yes — the people who think they own the Constitution and are always whining about judges need to be strict Constitutionalists - and don’t understand that it applies to all people here, not just citizens.

Who’s Coordinating Airport Protests And Litigation Resulting In Three Courts Temporally Restraining Trump’s Extreme Vetting Order?

I would love to note one thing: The Constitution grants rights to EVERYONE in this country unless explicitly stated that 1) a transgression might withdraw said rights from you, or 2) reserves those rights to specifically citizens (and I believe the only time it mentions citizens specifically in regards to rights is in terms of voting).

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:07:03pm

re: #113 makeitstop

Looks like it was done under Obama.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:07:31pm

off to bed.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:08:02pm

re: #113 makeitstop

Wow. Charles was right, they handed the site over to clowns. I wonder how long it will be before it’s hacked.

*sigh*

Please click the link - the move to Drupal was done back in 2009 for the Obama White House. Blame the idiots currently in charge of the site, not the platform, which is highly respected and widely used by all sorts of reputable organizations (especially academic and non-profit institutions).

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:10:55pm

re: #113 makeitstop

Wow. Charles was right, they handed the site over to clowns. I wonder how long it will be before it’s hacked.

Ya know, I cannot believe Trump’s phone hasn’t been hacked yet.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:11:09pm

re: #118 Interesting Times

*sigh*

Please click the link - the move to Drupal was done back in 2009 for the Obama White House. Blame the idiots currently in charge of the site, not the platform, which is highly respected and widely used by all sorts of reputable organizations (especially academic and non-profit institutions).

Never liked it, sorry. Don’t care who uses it, really.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:11:44pm

re: #107 Scottish Dragon

I am honestly terrified.

It is scary to see them literally come apart at the seams. We’ve seen that visibly happen with Trump’s disastrous ABC interview last week. Bannon’s very obvious substance abuse issues don’t help.

But I also find it hard to believe that they expected this to unfold directly the way it has. The deliberate lying that “the EO is the bee’s knees!” and screening of Finding Dory at the White House at the same time thousands and thousands gathered in front in a quickly-arranged protest… that only brings up the bunker mentality. They cannot comprehend that people’s resistance to this bullshit has only become stronger and stronger.

The unraveling has only just begun.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:13:49pm

re: #107 Scottish Dragon

I am honestly terrified.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:14:09pm

re: #82 Belafon

Sighting under threat is grounds for nullification.

If Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is willing to prosecute that. Good luck.

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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:14:57pm

re: #121 Myron Falwell

It is scary to see them literally come apart at the seams. We’ve seen that visibly happen with Trump’s disastrous ABC interview last week. Bannon’s very obvious substance abuse issues don’t help.

But I also find it hard to believe that they expected this to unfold directly the way it has. The deliberate lying that “the EO is the bee’s knees!” and screening of Finding Dory at the White House at the same time thousands and thousands gathered in front in a quickly-arranged protest… that only brings up the bunker mentality. They cannot comprehend that people’s resistance to this bullshit has only become stronger and stronger.

The unraveling has only just begun.

Their unraveling is a best case scenario I think.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:17:36pm
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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:18:10pm

re: #121 Myron Falwell

It is scary to see them literally come apart at the seams. We’ve seen that visibly happen with Trump’s disastrous ABC interview last week. Bannon’s very obvious substance abuse issues don’t help.

But I also find it hard to believe that they expected this to unfold directly the way it has. The deliberate lying that “the EO is the bee’s knees!” and screening of Finding Dory at the White House at the same time thousands and thousands gathered in front in a quickly-arranged protest… that only brings up the bunker mentality. They cannot comprehend that people’s resistance to this bullshit has only become stronger and stronger.

The unraveling has only just begun.

I agree that there’s a lot of game face posturing going on. But contrast that “great success!” quote with Conway’s meltdown about how no one in the media has been fired yet for criticizing them.

I’d bet the overall mood throughout the administration is a lot closer to Conway’s than those glib punks trying to polish this turd.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:20:07pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

That’s really true of any serious website. So many things can happen, and many is the newby (my hand up here) that has thought just a little live edit would work, and ZAP! Edit in haste, repent over the long haul.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:21:06pm
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allegro  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:21:54pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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Maybe you need to change the word “are” to “were”. There is nothing normal about anything going on there now.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:22:24pm

re: #124 allegro

Their unraveling is a best case scenario I think.

Just keep reminding Donald Trump on his official and private Twitter channels that Steve Bannon is President.

While you’re at it, others in his inner circle such as Chuck C. Johnson could be mentioned as plotting against him.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:23:43pm

Even the lowly LGF site uses a staging server to test large changes before making them public. I admit I sometimes skip the staging server when I’m sure nothing’s going to go wrong - but on a government website it’s pretty unthinkable to do this. It just wouldn’t happen. There may even be laws about it.

This is elementary web development, folks - has nothing to do with Drupal or any CMS. It’s not professional to make changes on a live web site. I really don’t think this can be a mistake.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:27:24pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Even the lowly LGF site uses a staging server to test large changes before making them public. I admit I sometimes skip the staging server when I’m sure nothing’s going to go wrong - but on a government website it’s pretty unthinkable to do this. It just wouldn’t happen. There may even be laws about it.

This is elementary web development, folks - has nothing to do with Drupal or any CMS. It’s not professional to make changes on a live web site. I really don’t think this can be a mistake.

Trumps team is less than elementary. Not even rudimentary. They’re barely out of the Print Your Name stage.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:27:37pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:28:08pm

re: #126 makeitstop

I agree that there’s a lot of game face posturing going on. But contrast that “great success!” quote with Conway’s meltdown about how no one in the media has been fired yet for criticizing them.

I’d bet the overall mood throughout the administration is a lot closer to Conway’s than those glib punks trying to polish this turd.

Finding Dory probably saved the day.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:28:53pm

This one costs nothing.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:29:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:30:14pm

re: #132 MsJ

Trumps team is less than elementary. Not even rudimentary. They’re barely out of the Print Your Name stage.

Doesn’t matter. The White House site would have been set up long before they took over, with a staging server for testing.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:30:21pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

Ya know, I cannot believe Trump’s phone hasn’t been hacked yet.

That we know of.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:30:30pm

re: #133 Anymouse

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I heard that smack all the way over here on the left coast.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:31:06pm

re: #126 makeitstop

Oh geez, I forgot to mention Kellyanne’s meltdown earlier today.

When someone like her has that big a temper tantrum on national television… and it happens NINE DAYS into the new administration…

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:31:49pm

re: #139 Single-handed sailor

I heard that smack all the way over here on the left coast.

I heard it hear and I don’t even have cable service available. /s

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:32:51pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

This is elementary web development, folks - has nothing to do with Drupal or any CMS. It’s not professional to make changes on a live web site. I really don’t think this can be a mistake.

One of the people who responded to your tweets posted this:

Obama’s White House webmaster says we should cut Trump’s team some slack

Second is that at noon on inauguration day, the website ownership went from president Obama to president Trump. What that means is that at exactly 12pm, by law, Obama’s website was frozen in time and moved over to the national archives, archiving the content of the 44th president of the United State’s website. Then, the 45th president starts at 12:01 with his new website and begins filling it with new content. It’s no surprise that things will not be there. It’s no surprise that there might be a couple of hiccups and bumps along the road. These presidents have different policies, right? As a result of different policies, some content will change, some will go away, and some will be added. That’s why you’re going to see content that is completely different, because this is a completely different administration.

Yeah…article date is Jan 27…wonder if he’ll change his tune now…

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:33:22pm

re: #140 Myron Falwell

Oh geez, I forgot to mention Kellyanne’s meltdown earlier today.

When someone like her has that big a temper tantrum on national television… and it happens NINE DAYS into the new administration…

She is melting down on Twitter now.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:34:48pm

re: #142 Interesting Times

They’re not going to build it from scratch!

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TedStriker  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:34:53pm

re: #143 Anymouse

She is melting down on Twitter now.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:36:05pm

re: #80 retired cynic

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:36:23pm

You find humour where you can find it, even in dark days:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:36:27pm

Oh, honey - no. That’s not how this works.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:37:09pm

re: #143 Anymouse

She is melting down on Twitter now.

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They’re like a bunch of goddamn meth heads sitting around obsessing over who’s trying to screw them.

I propose we start calling them the Queeg administration.

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ipsos  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:41:08pm

Late night thought before crawling under the covers and trying somehow to fall asleep amidst the chaos:

If what Trump really craves more than anything is to be celebrated and admired…

And if he realizes that the course he’s on now is just driving his approval rating into the gutter and bringing out bigger and bigger protests every weekend…

And if he’s really devoid of any deeply-held convictions or principles…

And if his self-identification as a Republican was mostly one of opportunity…

At what point does he cast the Bannon crowd aside and start doing things that would actually raise his approval rating?

Or am I expecting too much from him? (Yeah. I am.)

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:42:21pm

Wonkette picked up my suggestion about President Steve Bannon, though they don’t know me from Adam and have no idea who thought of it.

Damn. I start what is becoming a viral phrase on Twitter and I am not even there. Like someone who creates a new fashion wave and gets no credit.

Well the important thing is sewing discord amongst these fascists, not me.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:42:24pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

At least the W administration had to have had someone who could READ what was drafted beyond the draftee himself.

Speaking of the very efficient W administration—anyone heard anything about the current clown car caravan dealing with any storm relief for those southern states in dire need yet?

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:45:08pm

re: #152 BeachDem

Speaking of the very efficient W administration—anyone heard anything about the current clown car caravan dealing with any storm relief for those southern states in dire need yet?

Still waiting… .
rawstory.com

They have teenage volunteers pitching in though:
teenvogue.com

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:45:45pm

re: #144 retired cynic

They’re not going to build it from scratch!

Indeed. That article was rather disturbing, truth be told.

Another thing I want to point out is, there’s absolutely nothing inherently wrong or insecure about open-source CMS’s - as long as they’re actively maintained by qualified developers and patched for any security flaws on a regular basis. So judging by the standards set so far…

LOL the site will be hacked any minute -_-

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:46:02pm

re: #109 Stanley Sea

Couple of photos from my get away last night to the Mission Inn in Riverside.

It was beautiful. The Rotunda is the best feature. Many others, but I was trying to have fun.

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GAWJUS!!

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:46:41pm

Coup d’etat?
medium.com

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:47:48pm

And I found The Hangover on TV.

Perfect anecdote.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:49:44pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:50:55pm

Something a little more lighthearted.

Super Troopers - Enhance

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:51:22pm

re: #97 Scottish Dragon

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This is not fine.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:54:58pm

re: #133 Anymouse

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He’s an interpreter who has risked his life to help Americans.
She’s a whiny noisemaker who wears cocktail dresses on morning shows.

Hard to pick whose “skills” are more relevant.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2017 • 9:55:21pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:01:08pm

re: #115 Citizen K

I would love to note one thing: The Constitution grants rights to EVERYONE in this country unless explicitly stated that 1) a transgression might withdraw said rights from you, or 2) reserves those rights to specifically citizens (and I believe the only time it mentions citizens specifically in regards to rights is in terms of voting).

Many Tea Party types do not realize US laws cover anyone on US soil, citizen or not.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:01:20pm

A smack from Michael Bloomberg I can hear all the way in the Sandhills:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:02:37pm

re: #143 Anymouse

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TedStriker  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:03:25pm

re: #164 Anymouse

A smack from Michael Bloomberg I can hear all the way in the Sandhills:

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:03:29pm
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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:05:24pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:06:47pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

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Oh, honey - no. That’s not how this works.

I stole that line and tweeted it to her.

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TedStriker  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:07:08pm

re: #168 Anymouse

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A nice bonus for TrumpBannonCo.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:09:55pm

Wow, this article is really taking off. The implicit symbolism of it seems to have struck a nerve.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:10:23pm

I’m guessing the tourism industry in the USA is going to be slaughtered by this nihilistic administration.

According to the World Bank, for the year 2014 (the last data I can find), international tourism in the United States reached $220,757,000,000. (220 billion)

I’m guessing the Disney Corporation is not real happy about this (along with every other international tourist-geared business). So when does The Mouse come down on the Pumpkin Pinochet?

data.worldbank.org

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:12:48pm
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Kragar  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:16:04pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:17:09pm

Listening to the BBC World Service right now, with an interview going on with a Trump supporter named Sherine Kaduzi, who states she’s a Muslim. The BBC interviewer is taking no quarter with her. I’ll have to chase this interview down later and post a link.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:18:55pm

re: #145 TedStriker

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So glad I read that thread—it had the photo I couldn’t find last night—the full shot with his coat flying up to expose his fat ass—the closeup of his hair only tells part of the story.

(and could his pants be any more ill-fitting)

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:20:15pm

re: #176 BeachDem

Hoot!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:20:44pm

OT as it’s bedtime and this crossed over in my YT subscriptions… I saw this girl perform awhile back here in Chicago and she’s great. I really hope they make it into a Tiny Desk episode. Here’s her latest audition.

Hunter | 2017 Tiny Desk Concert Contest Submission | Lillie Lemon

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:22:38pm

re: #176 BeachDem

Little tiny hands, too! Big fanny, small hands. I bet he loves going up and down all those stairs, too.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:23:25pm

re: #156 Sherlock Hound

Coup d’etat?
medium.com

And this.

medium.com

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:24:20pm

re: #149 makeitstop

They’re like a bunch of goddamn meth heads sitting around obsessing over who’s trying to screw them.

I propose we start calling them the Queeg administration.

Somebody in that thread mentioned the meth (and I laughed so hard)

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:55pm

re: #180 MsJ

Saw it. I think the administration is more stupid as anything, but like a toddler with a handgun, they can still kill you.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:26:55pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:30:58pm

I hate to think that the only thing standing between us and tyranny are the weak willed John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Marco Rubio. Or are there any other Republicans who might actually stand up to vote against the EO and the reorganization of the National Security Council?

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:32:24pm

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

I hate to think that the only thing standing between us and tyranny are the weak willed John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Marco Rubio. Or are there any other Republicans who might actually stand up to vote against the EO and the reorganization of the National Security Council?

Susan Collins.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:35:51pm

re: #180 MsJ

And this.

medium.com

Any other time, I’d say he was an alarmist. But given the last several days, I’m just plain alarmed.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:37:26pm

re: #142 Interesting Times

I read that article and it’s 100% bullshit. A Chief Strategist is the one who sets direction and it’s content-nothing more. The actual techs do the work based on direct input from the Chief Strategist, and all the processes for managing changes are still in force.

Changing a Chief Digital Strategist (IOW, a Government CIO/CTO) doesn’t change one whit the low-level processes that are required to properly manage systems (unless Team Trump fired the low-level techs as well, which wouldn’t surprise me….)

It’s amateur hour at whitehouse.gov-just like the rest of the Trump inner-circle.

Why should we be surprised by this?

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:37:35pm

re: #172 Anymouse

My town is a well-known tourist destination (Salem, Mass.) and has been for many, many years. We will notice.

My school, Salem State University, has had foreign students since before I atrended, some thirty years ago. They pay “full freight”—all their tuition—as is typical for foreign students elsewhere, as SSU is a comparatively good deal vis-a-vis the private schools.

We are also considering becoming a sanctuary city. All of our Trump voters are in my FB timeline, including some friends who horrify me. Of course, they are “persecuted”—one of our political TV pundits calls us “The Bluest State”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:38:05pm

hiding this because it’s not verified. But if true. What the FUCK?!

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:41:25pm

newrepublic.com
(more at the link about establishment Republicans in general and Reince Priebus in particular being outmanoeuvred by Trump’s team ):

Reince Priebus and his buddies thought they could keep Steve Bannon in check.

One of the most notable aspects of Trump’s transition was how well Trump’s Team of RivalsTM seemed to be getting along. Trump’s cabinet is one of factions—most notably the alt-right Steves (Bannon and Miller) and the party faithful (Priebus). Balancing Bannon and Priebus was what Trump had to do to rally the Republican Party behind him, so the relationship between the two is a barometer of sorts for Trump’s White House.

In retrospect, that may have been because there was little power to wield between November 9 and January 20. It seems that both Bannon and Priebus thought that they would be holding the reins once Trump was inaugurated. According to Axios Presented By Bank of America BP, Preibus thought that he had Bannon and Miller in his pocket only a few days ago.

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Sherlock Hound  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:43:11pm

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah, the 24-hour rule should apply due to the Reddit problem we experienced after the Marathon bombing. I would tell Quebec to just work the investigative and judicial process like any other violent crime. It worked in Boston.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:44:52pm

re: #133 Anymouse

Notice the retweet and likes from Soledad vs. the crack whore-looking white supremacist.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:44:59pm

re: #176 BeachDem

So glad I read that thread—it had the photo I couldn’t find last night—the full shot with his coat flying up to expose his fat ass—the closeup of his hair only tells part of the story.

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(and could his pants be any more ill-fitting)

He is going to order a dead start up for Marine One. No active rotors in his reign.

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:45:39pm

re: #191 Sherlock Hound

I would argue that the biggest deterrence to terrorism in the first world since 9/11 has been good ol’ fashioned shoe-leather police work.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:48:13pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

He is going to order a dead start up for Marine One. No active rotors in his reign.

Strategically not a smart move. Copters with stationary rotors take longer to get out of harm’s way. Just sayin’

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:50:40pm

re: #195 wheat-dogg

Strategically not a smart move. Copters with stationary rotors take longer to get out of harm’s way. Just sayin’

But vanity!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:54:42pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

But vanity!

Vanity of vanities!

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2017 • 10:57:55pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

I would argue that the biggest deterrence to terrorism in the first world since 9/11 has been good ol’ fashioned shoe-leather police work.

Of course it is. You don’t stop a tank column with cops. You don’t stop criminals, whether they are robbing banks or planting car bombs, with tank columns.

You develop intelligence at the street level because the bad guys aren’t wearing uniforms that say “I’m a tank driver!” They blend in and plan. But they have to buy groceries, pay rent, and have their utilities turned on and their comm systems installed.

Fighting terrorism is fighting crime. You just need cooperation on a much wider level. I don’t think we’ve really twigged to that in the States. Fortunately we haven’t had to because since 9/11

THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY LARGE COORDINATED TERROR GROUPS IN THE US.

There, rant off. It’s all been random assholes and husband/wife or brother/brother teams. That’s hard to crack. Lone wolves have been a problem for all time. Normally, we call them serial killers. Modern gun laws allow them to be Very Fast serial killers.

I’m for the rack. Stuff to do tomorrow. Night, Lizards. Sleep as well as you can. All I did last night was toss and turn.

Grrr.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:03:13pm

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

I hate to think that the only thing standing between us and tyranny are the weak willed John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Marco Rubio. Or are there any other Republicans who might actually stand up to vote against the EO and the reorganization of the National Security Council?

Here’s the updated spread sheet with all the statements they’ve made.

docs.google.com

Gotta say, some of the Dems are really kicking ass strong with theirs, i.e.:

Brian Schatz—HI—Shame. Shame. Today is a dark day. I feel sick. #MuslimBan

Cory Booker—NJ—This Executive Order violates our values and assaults our moral standing as a nation. I will fight this, we must fight this.

Tom Carper—DE—Make no mistake, I’m against the #MuslimBan and I’m going to fight with all of my might against it

Diane Feinstein—CA—. I very much regret that the president has chosen this dark path for our country.

Al Franken—MN—..President Trump’s has made it a top priority to tear families apart. It’s disgraceful, and it’s not who we are as a nation. And I’m going to do everything I can to fight this.

Mazie Hirono—HI—It’s despicable that President Trump chose Holocaust Remembrance Day to issue yet another executive order that exploits fear of refugees and immigrants. This is wrong. I will continue to fight the President’s extreme, knee jerk actions that divide our country. #RefugeesWelcome

Tim Kaine—VA—I am appalled by the cruelty the Trump Administration has demonstrated over the past 24 hours…

Ed Markey—MA—…. I will fight @realDonaldTrump’s immoral Muslim ban

Chris Murphy—CT—…Trump’s Muslim ban is a moral abomination. It is fundamentally un-American…

Bernie Sander—VT—(see, I don’t always pick on Bernie) Demagogues survive politically by fostering hatred, especially against minorities… Trump is doubling down on the hateful rhetoric he used during his campaign…

Chris Van Hollen—MD—President Trump’s xenophobic executive order is an affront to our nation’s values

and many more. It’s good to see the Dems fired up—maybe this is what will get them all on the same page to take the yam down. Proud of them tonight (with the exception of fucking Joe Manchin) for not only standing up, but standing strong—please keep it up, Dems.

(Oh, and why on earth did Tim Scott and Marco Rubio see the need to issue a joint statement? Never knew they were such good buds—and the statement is a lot of hot air—rated “skeptical.”)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:04:28pm

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:06:00pm

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:10:36pm

re: #198 austin_blue

I would note also the largest school massacre is not Columbine or Sandy Hook as awful as they were.

The record still stands for the Bath Michigan School Bombing and Shooting.
en.wikipedia.org

The Bath School disaster, sometimes known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder to take place at a school in United States history.

(more at the link on its planning, execution, and subsequent actions, such as banning the private ownership of explosives nationwide without a special license)

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:21:25pm

re: #201 BeachDem

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One person has been arrested, the department said. A previous statement indicated that two arrests had been made. It’s not clear what caused the discrepancy.

A statement on the mosque’s Facebook page urged caution.
“Please wait for preliminary results (of the investigation) before circulating rumors,” it says. “The situation is very critical. May Allah give us endurance.”

cnn.com

The rules from NPR on reporting tragedies and catastrophes on social media apply here

ethics.npr.org (long)

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:26:02pm

Also:

During disasters, credible information is important
Investigate to find out if there was adequate warning and preparation
Demystify data
Be technically self-reliant (power, WiFi, food, safety, etc.)
Get away from the herd mentality
Remember the forgotten
Disasters drag on; keep following the issue even when readers and viewers seem to lose interest
Do not seek huge headlines; Many people are still suffering from the disaster
Don’t create panic. Instead, sensitize and add to information about the disaster

More info at ijnet.org
(Goes to International Journalists Network)

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:28:49pm

More from NPR:

But reporting in social media spaces requires the same diligence we exercise when reporting in other environments. When NPR bloggers post about breaking news, they do not cite anonymous posts on social media sites — though they may use information they find there to guide their reporting. They carefully attribute the information they cite and are clear about what NPR has and has not been able to confirm.

When NPR correspondents go on the air they may mention discussions they’ve seen on social media sites as reflecting in part the tone or mood or general reaction to an event. But they realize that is not the same as a scientific survey of public opinion or a substitute for the kind of in-depth reporting that leads to a deep understanding of a subject.

ethics.npr.org

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Moebym  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:45:14pm

I don’t know about the rest of you, but right now, I feel like I have no country. I came to the United States from China when I was four, and it feels like I’ve been personally turned away by this ban, even though I obviously don’t meet the criteria.

What they have done to those affected, they have done to us all.

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Anymouse  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:45:49pm

re: #199 BeachDem

To be fair, there are a few Republicans in that list that have opposed this action, some with the same scathing statements Democrats like Debbie Stabenow made.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans were silent, tweeted about sports, or favoured this despicable action.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2017 • 11:55:26pm

re: #207 Anymouse

To be fair, there are a few Republicans in that list that have opposed this action, some with the same scathing statements Democrats like Debbie Stabenow made.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans were silent, tweeted about sports, or favoured this despicable action.

I don’t want to be fair.
31 of the Republican assholes had nothing to say at all. That’s more than 1/2 of them. Too busy or disinterested or too chickenshit to open their slimy mouths.
Fuck them all, because when push comes to shove they’ll support their party over their country.

And with that, I’m out.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:08:25am

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:14:37am

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

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Kragar  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:19:55am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:43:43am

From Instagram:

Instagram

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” she says ❤
(credits to the incredible artist: @quiversarrow)

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Dave In Austin  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:58:13am
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Kragar  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:58:42am
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Donkey With No Name  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:14:55am

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:14:55am

re: #214 Kragar

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“New barriers”? So far, the “new” barriers amount to “Are you or are you not a Christian? You are? Welcome to America.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:17:04am

re: #19 stpaulbear

1984 is still out of stock at both Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

Good thing I have read that book so many times I can quote it at length…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:26:51am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Good thing I have read that book so many times I can quote it at length…

We read Animal Farm, 1984 and Brave New World when I was in school.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:32:27am

re: #218 wheat-dogg

We read Animal Farm, 1984 and Brave New World when I was in school.

As every school student should…along with “It Can’t Happen Here”.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:41:30am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As every school student should…along with “It Can’t Happen Here”.

And Revolt in 2100.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:43:43am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As every school student should…along with “It Can’t Happen Here”.

I suspect they were on the reading list as an anti-communist warning. Little did we suspect they would be describing the USA five decades later.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:45:26am

Not on the reading list, but one of my favorite books in our JHS library was The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It somehow seems rather suited to these times, as well.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:48:16am

BTW, friends, I am in Hiroshima now. My son and I have toured Tokyo, Kyōto and Osaka, but he went back to the States yesterday. I’m spending three days here, then two in Nagoya, and then back to Tokyo for my flight back to Chyyynnah!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:52:44am

re: #223 wheat-dogg

If they let you back in that is……..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 1:53:56am

re: #224 Dave In Austin

If they let you back in that is……..

(beat me to that comment)

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:10:58am

Sorry I ducked out. Put the final polish on the column I write for an international journal (not about politics). It was about our trip to the Northern Studies Centre in Churchill, Manitoba.

They provide facilities for visiting scientists and researchers studying biology, ecology, and climate change in the Arctic. It was a fascinating trip, and the centre’s director made a special appointment for me and my wife to get a personal guided tour from him.
churchillscience.ca

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:14:02am

re: #226 Anymouse

Sorry I ducked out. Put the final polish on the column I write for an international journal (not about politics). It was about our trip to the Northern Studies Centre in Churchill, Manitoba.

no need to apologize for having a life…

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CarolJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:31:03am

re: #18 allegroThey wish they were riots. But the women have shown people the way to do so. And we are not going back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:36:04am

re: #228 CarolJ

They wish they were riots. But the women have shown people the way to do so. And we are not going back.

I am pleased that things have remained peaceful despite the extent of the protest activities.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:39:35am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

no need to apologize for having a life…

As the tumbleweeds blow across the snow outside my window …

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:40:02am

Okay, Google’s doodle for today is for Fred Korematus’ (of the Japanese interment case, Koremastu v. United States) birthday, think they’re sending a message?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:41:15am

re: #230 Anymouse

As the tumbleweeds blow across the snow outside my window …

I get to watch sheep and goats grazing on the uncultivated patches between the vineyards on the hillside…

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:41:33am

re: #231 Timothy Watson

Okay, Google’s doodle for today is for Fred Korematus’ (of the Japanese interment case, Koremastu v. United States) birthday, think they’re sending a message?

Kewl doodle. It will be completely lost on the GOP.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:46:07am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I get to watch sheep and goats grazing on the uncultivated patches between the vineyards on the hillside…

I get to listen to the sounds of half a million cattle in the pastures and feedlots of the village, plus goats on the east side just outside the city limit, occasional mountain goats that come into the south side, and endless Canada geese honking extremely loudly and dropping giant presents on my car as they fly to the river. (The geese use my car as a bombing skid, because it is the smallest car in the village.)

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 2:51:36am

Bad news: Delta Airlines said they would comply with the court orders and not turn away passengers that have proper documentation and/or visas. Win.

Delta Airlines is now under cyber-attack:

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:02:35am
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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:07:38am

Impressive to see how fast they’ve updated the website to remove all traces of the previous administration:

whitehouse.gov

President Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States. He is, however, only the 43rd person ever to serve as President […] Joseph R. Biden is the 47th Vice President of the United States.

I see Donald is not a details person.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:19:52am

And as a reminder, Deadbart lives in an alternate reality. Or an alternate unreality.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:23:48am

re: #238 Anymouse

Speaking of which:

I’ve learned from comments that there is one thing DPRK News Service has in common with Breitbart: Only Breitbart readers are stupid enough to think it’s real.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:24:29am

re: #224 Dave In Austin

If they let you back in that is……..

I’m more worried now about being let back into the USA without any hassles.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:29:33am

UK Parliament petition to ban Donald Trump from being seen by the Royal Family for a state visit is now over 1,114,000 signatures.

A goal of 100,000 was set. Parliament must comment on a petition if it reaches 10,000 signatures, and must debate a petition if it reaches 100,000. The petition has been open for one day. The government is expected to respond to the petition tomorrow and schedule it for debate.

The petition is still open to add signatures for United Kingdom citizens.

In the time it took me to type this, 4,000 more signatures were added.

petition.parliament.uk

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:29:56am

Lyft will donate $1M to ACLU after Trump immigration ban

Facebook Post

And, in other news, I just saw a picture of Taraji Henson at the SAG Awards. God damn…

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:35:00am

Do I even need to say anything?

Facebook Post

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:37:45am

re: #243 Timothy Watson

Do I even need to say anything?

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Obviously from a long line of intimately close siblings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:38:38am

re: #243 Timothy Watson

“I feel that if a Muslim woman wants to move into this country, she needs to leave her towel home. Because the reason this country is here and safe today is because of Jesus Christ,” Bill Jackson says.

Jesus trumps Freedom of Speech, Expression and Religion. It’s that simple.

If we would only learn to accept that, we could stop protesting and start working together to make America Safe and Great Again!!!

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:39:54am

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

Obviously from a long line of intimately close siblings.

Yeah, that family tree probably looks a lot like this

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:40:55am

re: #242 Timothy Watson

Lyft will donate $1M to ACLU after Trump immigration ban

And, in other news, I just saw a picture of Taraji Henson at the SAG Awards. God damn…

Snarky, simple, and absolutely true, that protest sign.

As for Lyft, we don’t have such services within two hundred miles of us, but a shoutout to Lyft. (I realise that a million dollars to Lyft can be written off as charity and they get knock-off free advertising if it goes viral, but they didn’t have to do it at all. Good on Lyft.)

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:48:00am

re: #243 Timothy Watson

Do I even need to say anything?

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Oh Christ, where to begin? Either these morons trace their ancestry back to the Puritans and other religious conservatives who were so uptight that they were thrown out of Europe. Or they trace them back to more recent roots planted by groups like the Irish and Germans, whose waves of immigration were met with horror by the Americans of the time because even though they were Christians, they were the “wrong” type of Christians and thus posed a threat to America’s moral fabric. Hell, it was just two generations ago that you had people in screaming fits about a president who was a Roman Catholic!

So which version of Jesus Christ do these nimrods think made America and kept her safe?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:54:06am

re: #243 Timothy Watson

Do I even need to say anything?

They sound like a wingnut racist xenophobic random talking-point generator.

There is so much stupid there besides the beard on that guy. Absolutely everything they said to NPR was wrong. All of it.

I absolutely despise the wingnut religious “This is a Christian Nation and you have to worship our way or else” bull.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:58:16am

re: #248 Targetpractice

So which version of Jesus Christ do these nimrods think made America and kept her safe?

,

White Free-Market Jesus. Why do you even bother to ask?

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:59:05am

re: #249 Anymouse

They sound like a wingnut racist xenophobic random talking-point generator.

There is so much stupid there besides the beard on that guy. Absolutely everything they said to NPR was wrong. All of it.

I absolutely despise the wingnut religious “This is a Christian Nation and you have to worship our way or else” bull.

A thought process that never occurs to them when they go to any other nation, hence the “Ugly America” stereotype.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 3:59:45am

The UK petition above added thirty thousand more signatures since I last commented on it.

I imagine Mr. Trump will be furious if he were told about it. I wouldn’t mention it on his Twitter feed if I were on Twitter, just sayin’. Wouldn’t want to upset his breakfast.

And since it surpassed the threshold for Parliamentary debate by 1000% in one day, they will debate it. If they were to adopt the petition, Mr. Trump would be banned from meeting the Royal Family in a state visit.

The Twitter storm would be epic. I certainly wouldn’t want to put that on his Twitter feed, that might be the thing that causes him to melt down completely. It would be awful if he went on a Twitter rampage that makes Kellyanne Conway look sane.

President Bannon might have to step in to calm him; I certainly wouldn’t want to remind Mr. Trump that he doesn’t get to pose for secretary pictures if he displeases President Bannon.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:03:22am

These guys are so deeply stupid that just might save us.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:05:48am

And if the petition doesn’t get Mr. Trump, Parliament woke up to this in the paper:

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:05:51am

re: #252 Anymouse

The UK petition above added thirty thousand more signatures since I last commented on it.

I imagine Mr. Trump will be furious if he were told about it. I wouldn’t mention it on his Twitter feed if I were on Twitter, just sayin’. Wouldn’t want to upset his breakfast.

And since it surpassed the threshold for Parliamentary debate by 1000% in one day, they will debate it. If they were to adopt the petition, Mr. Trump would be banned from meeting the Royal Family in a state visit.

The Twitter storm would be epic. I certainly wouldn’t want to put that on his Twitter feed, that might be the thing that causes him to melt down completely. It would be awful if he went on a Twitter rampage that makes Kellyanne Conway look sane.

President Bannon might have to step in to calm him; I certainly wouldn’t want to remind Mr. Trump that he doesn’t get to pose for secretary pictures if he displeases President Bannon.

I can’t begin to guess what the political situation in Britain is with regards to this petition, but I can imagine it won’t make May’s life any easier if it’s debated and passed. Trump is liable to lash out in a blind rage, and that will possibly mean damaging or even ending the embryonic US/UK trade agreement. Without that, Brexit continues to be a very bitter pill for her to force the nation to swallow, as the EU has made it clear that they won’t be giving Britain any favorable treatment to prevent other nations from considering their own exits.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:06:12am

Don’t know how this one slipped under my radar, but apparently Bannon and KellyAnne Conway are - or were - members of the Council for National Policy.

splcenter.org

en.wikipedia.org

Exceedingly disturbing.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:08:24am

re: #251 Targetpractice

A thought process that never occurs to them when they go to any other nation, hence the “Ugly America” stereotype.

I’ll share an anecdote from my travels here in Japan. Son and I chose to eat at a little pizza joint near where we were staying in Azaba-Juban, Tokyo. Nice place, fairly quiet - until five American finance guys came in and sat down at the table next to ours. Mind you, this pizza place has only six indoor tables plus several counter stools, so it’s small. The jazz playing in the background was not loud at all, but these fellows were talking like they were in some noisy club, talking international finance shit like the guys in The Big Short. Completely spoiled the atmosphere of the place, and we left just as soon as we finished our ‘za and beers.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:12:10am

re: #254 Anymouse

And if the petition doesn’t get Mr. Trump, Parliament woke up to this in the paper:

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Charles can be a twit at times, but on climate change he’s spot on. Having Trump pick a fight with the heir apparent is not going to help Trump’s chances with Parliament.

Commons debates can get quite heated. I hope some of the juicy parts are shared so Trump can hear them.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:13:53am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to guess what the political situation in Britain is with regards to this petition, but I can imagine it won’t make May’s life any easier if it’s debated and passed. Trump is liable to lash out in a blind rage, and that will possibly mean damaging or even ending the embryonic US/UK trade agreement. Without that, Brexit continues to be a very bitter pill for her to force the nation to swallow, as the EU has made it clear that they won’t be giving Britain any favorable treatment to prevent other nations from considering their own exits.

The Parliament lost a case in the UK’s Supreme Court trying to avoid parliament debate on the Brexit vote. Moreover, the UK’s constitution does not provide for a citizen’s referendum to make something law: referenda there are only “advisory capacity.”

Parliament must debate it. They can choose to stay in the EU (which is what the Conservative Party believed would happen anyway). I don’t know what would happen if they did that.

If this vote had occurred in the Republic of Ireland, their constitution requires referenda be adopted as law if passed.

With all the buyer’s remorse over Brexit, the populace might accept the Parliament rejecting invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. The court case was the Conservatives trying to have it both ways, to absolve themselves of responsibility (the voters did it, not us) and when things go to hell in a handbasket, “See, we told you.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:14:53am

re: #257 wheat-dogg

I’ll share an anecdote from my travels here in Japan. Son and I chose to eat at a little pizza joint near where we were staying in Azaba-Juban, Tokyo. Nice place, fairly quiet - until five American finance guys came in and sat down at the table next to ours. Mind you, this pizza place has only six indoor tables plus several counter stools, so it’s small. The jazz playing in the background was not loud at all, but these fellows were talking like they were in some noisy club, talking international finance shit like the guys in The Big Short. Completely spoiled the atmosphere of the place, and we left just as soon as we finished our ‘za and beers.

And I’m sure they see absolutely nothing wrong with their behavior, because they think the fact that they have money means they can act however their like and the locals will just have to deal with it. But if the situation were reversed, and they were at home in the states spending time at a diner when a bunch of foreign businessmen came in and started yakking loudly in their native tongue, you can be sure they’d have the manager’s ear about how rude those “foreigners” were being and threatening to leave unless something was done about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:18:04am

re: #257 wheat-dogg

I’ll share an anecdote from my travels here in Japan. Son and I chose to eat at a little pizza joint near where we were staying in Azaba-Juban, Tokyo. Nice place, fairly quiet - until five American finance guys came in and sat down at the table next to ours. Mind you, this pizza place has only six indoor tables plus several counter stools, so it’s small. The jazz playing in the background was not loud at all, but these fellows were talking like they were in some noisy club, talking international finance shit like the guys in The Big Short. Completely spoiled the atmosphere of the place, and we left just as soon as we finished our ‘za and beers.

When I first came to Frankfurt (1988), it was full of GI’s who obviously had little experience with consuming or enjoying alcohol in a legal, public or social setting.

A lot of pub owners took to the expedient of putting a sign up (in English) reading “Private Club Members Only”, which the locals would ignore, but kept a lot of GIs from entering in the first place.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:20:05am

It has awakened.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:24:52am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:25:46am

I am eagerly awaiting the first Trump meltdown video with fake German subtitles.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:27:49am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:30:24am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

It has awakened.

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First they came for 109, and we said “Not this time.”

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:31:42am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:32:43am

re: #266 Anymouse

First they came for 109, and we said “Not this time.”

He’s such a putz, dodging his responsibility by blaming Delta — a completely unrelated issue — and repeating the false claims that everything went smoothly.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:33:13am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to guess what the political situation in Britain is with regards to this petition, but I can imagine it won’t make May’s life any easier if it’s debated and passed. Trump is liable to lash out in a blind rage, and that will possibly mean damaging or even ending the embryonic US/UK trade agreement. Without that, Brexit continues to be a very bitter pill for her to force the nation to swallow, as the EU has made it clear that they won’t be giving Britain any favorable treatment to prevent other nations from considering their own exits.

I can speak to some this; we have a lot of British expats in my (reminder: Southern French) village.

The Muslim Ban only added to a SNAFU situation in the UK. Labor is torn over Corbyn’s instruction to vote for art. 50. While everyone expected the Supreme Court to confirm an Act of Parliament was needed, no one quite expected the slap in the face to the Scot and welsh “devolved” parliaments. The Scots are up in arms and even the Welsh are fuming.

May expected her Washington trip to be a feather in her crown; now it’s turned into PR and ethics nightmare; add to this Trump’s “f*ck off” to Boris Johnson (when asking for exemptions) hasn’t helped.

On the EU side, the “F*ck-the-UK” side is gathering strength to the point that the Italians (who were for a soft brexit) are publicly declaring themselves concerned.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:35:43am

re: #228 CarolJ

They wish they were riots. But the women have shown people the way to do so. And we are not going back.

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am pleased that things have remained peaceful despite the extent of the protest activities.

One of the unheardled orgins also has come from the DAPL protests. They still continue and have not — despite attempts by the fascist North Dakota LEOs during their instigated tear gas attacks — resorted to violence. It is very much analogous to the sit-ins of the late 1950s.

Professional goons like David Clarke cannot be having a good time knowing this, either (if he has any semblance of self-awareness).

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:36:13am

re: #269 Lupin

I can speak to some this; we have a lot of British expats in my (reminder: Southern French) village.

The Muslim Ban only added to a SNAFU situation in the UK. Labor is torn over Corbyn’s instruction to vote for art. 50. While everyone expected the Supreme Court to confirm an Act of Parliament was needed, no one quite expected the slap in the face to the Scot and welsh “devolved” parliaments. The Scots are up in arms and even the Welsh are fuming.

May expected her Washington trip to be a feather in her crown; now it’s turned into PR and ethics nightmare; add to this Trump’s “f*ck off” to Boris Johnson (when asking for exemptions) hasn’t helped.

On the EU side, the “F*ck-the-UK” side is gathering strength to the point that the Italians (who were for a soft brexit) are publicly declaring themselves concerned.

So a vote to ban Trump from meeting the Royal Family would only add fuel to the fire, as it would be seen as furthering the very negative situation May has found herself in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:36:58am

re: #122 MsJ

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:37:11am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

Damn, Kellyanne didn’t sleep well again last night. LOL

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:38:47am

re: #267 Anymouse

Texas mosque burns last night; now a shootin’ at Quebec mosque. Ain’t you glad Trump is tryin’ to protect us from them dangerous Muslims?

This is just how some people show their support for the President’s actions….expect to see more of it.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:40:12am

French news. This morning French polls gave 25% both to the combined left (Hamon + Melanchon) and Le Pen, 22% Fillon (right), 21% Macron. Whoever goes to the second round still trounces Le Pen by 20 points. If the Left can confirm its turn towards the real Left and paper over personality differences, they have a shot. Time will tell.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:42:03am

re: #271 Targetpractice

So a vote to ban Trump from meeting the Royal Family would only add fuel to the fire, as it would be seen as furthering the very negative situation May has found herself in.

IMHO May is completely over her head. I’ve seen headless chickens with more purpose.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:43:55am

re: #276 Lupin

IMHO May is completely over her head. I’ve seen headless chickens with more purpose.

I sometimes think they are hoping for some deus ex machina or unforeseen circumstances that arise and give them a chance to quietly ignore the Brexit outcome.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:45:37am

re: #275 Lupin

French news. This morning French polls gave 25% both to the combined left (Hamon + Melanchon) and Le Pen, 22% Fillon (right), 21% Macron. Whoever goes to the second round still trounces Le Pen by 20 points. If the Left can confirm its turn towards the real Left and paper over personality differences, they have a shot. Time will tell.

IIRC, both the mainstream French left and right have something of a gentlemen’s agreement to keep Le Pen out of power - I remember they certainly did with her father. How it works, again IIRC, is that if Le Pen makes it the second round the left and right voters would vote together for her opponent to deny her victory.

Germany has an election this September that will be important. In my book, as long as basically remains an SPD and CDU coalition, things should be cool. If France and Germany can hold the line, that can help frustrate TrumPutin’s designs on Europe.

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:45:56am

re: #276 Lupin

IMHO May is completely over her head. I’ve seen headless chickens with more purpose.

It is instructive to compare May vs a real leader in Merkel.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:46:55am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I sometimes think they are hoping for some deus ex machina or unforeseen circumstances that arise and give them a chance to quietly ignore the Brexit outcome.

That’s the feeling I get as well - they’re stalling, hoping something, anything, comes up so they can say, “Oh, well, Brexit’s off………nothing we can do about it. Sorry.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:51:02am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

That’s the feeling I get as well - they’re stalling, hoping something, anything, comes up so they can say, “Oh, well, Brexit’s off………nothing we can do about it. Sorry.”

As with our homegrown brand of power-hungry half-wits, the Tories want to be able to avoid keeping their promises without any political blowback. “We really wanted to do something about all those ‘foreigners’ and return Britain to being a world power again, but (insert third party) got in the way and made that impossible. Keep voting for us and we promise it will be happen…some day.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:51:14am

re: #176 BeachDem

So glad I read that thread—it had the photo I couldn’t find last night—the full shot with his coat flying up to expose his fat ass—the closeup of his hair only tells part of the story.

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(and could his pants be any more ill-fitting)

So, boxers or briefs?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:54:54am

re: #276 Lupin

IMHO May is completely over her head. I’ve seen headless chickens with more purpose.

From my side of the pond in the USA, I’ve plucked chickens that seemed to have more purpose than Prime Minister May at this point.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:56:10am

re: #276 Lupin

IMHO May is completely over her head. I’ve seen headless chickens with more purpose.

Banning Trump from meeting the Royal Family, given May’s embrace of him, would be almost equal to a no-confidence vote against her.

This could swamp her more quickly than we thought.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:57:16am

re: #152 BeachDem

Speaking of the very efficient W administration—anyone heard anything about the current clown car caravan dealing with any storm relief for those southern states in dire need yet?

They need to get more Play-Doh.

half-////

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 4:57:41am

re: #281 Targetpractice

As with our homegrown brand of power-hungry half-wits, the Tories want to be able to avoid keeping their promises without any political blowback. “We really wanted to do something about all those ‘foreigners’ and return Britain to being a world power again, but (insert third party) got in the way and made that impossible. Keep voting for us and we promise it will be happen…some day.”

Yep. And then when enough Brexiteer voices pipe up again, the Tories can always say, “Well, the time isn’t right for that yet - the economic outlook, need for labor, etc., etc.” and that’s that.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:00:48am

re: #284 Myron Falwell

Banning Trump from meeting the Royal Family, given May’s embrace of him, would be almost equal to a no-confidence vote against her.

This could swamp her more quickly than we thought.

Well, I know a little bit of how UK governance works, but I can hardly claim to know how the House of Commons or the voters would take rejection of Mr. Trump.

The voters might take it as standing up for the UK’s interest. (As I recall, Prime Minister Tony Blair was constantly pilloried for being a lapdog of the USA.) There is something to be said for standing up for your own country and officials when a US official is insulting to your nation’s values.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:02:09am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, both the mainstream French left and right have something of a gentlemen’s agreement to keep Le Pen out of power - I remember they certainly did with her father. How it works, again IIRC, is that if Le Pen makes it the second round the left and right voters would vote together for her opponent to deny her victory.

Germany has an election this September that will be important. In my book, as long as basically remains an SPD and CDU coalition, things should be cool. If France and Germany can hold the line, that can help frustrate TrumPutin’s designs on Europe.

I couldn’t agree more, with everything you said.

If France & Germany manage to avoid the fascist hurdle, the French-German alliance (+ Benelux countries, Italy, Spain, etc) is both an economic powerhouse and a nuclear power. My guess is they’ll form some kind of alliance with China against the US-Russia axis.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:03:25am

re: #279 William Lewis

It is instructive to compare May vs a real leader in Merkel.

Personllay her visit to the WH reminded me of the Moldavian President calling on Brezhnev in the 70s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:03:30am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:05:07am

re: #289 Lupin

Personllay her visit to the WH reminded me of the Moldavian President calling on Brezhnev in the 70s.

“Moldavia’s not here!”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:05:23am

re: #288 Lupin

And what a change in geopolitics that would be. When I was a kid, it was Western Europe/Eastern Bloc and Chinese folks waving their copies of “Quotations from Chairman Mao” in mass rallies.

Now……China is an up-and-coming superpower and if the EU were to seek an alliance with them as counterbalance to a US/Russian axis, well, shit……….welcome to the brave new world, indeed.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:05:28am

re: #284 Myron Falwell

Banning Trump from meeting the Royal Family, given May’s embrace of him, would be almost equal to a no-confidence vote against her.

This could swamp her more quickly than we thought.

Bannon would like that. I get the feeling that the guy is on the side of pure chaos. Entropy. It’s like a bad comic-book.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:07:10am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

And what a change in geopolitics that would be. When I was a kid, it was Western Europe/Eastern Bloc and Chinese folks waving their copies of “Quotations from Chairman Mao” in mass rallies.

Now……China is an up-and-coming superpower and if the EU were to seek an alliance with them as counterbalance to a US/Russian axis, well, shit……….welcome to the brave new world, indeed.

As I’m fond of saying, if you liked the 19th century you’ll love the 21st. Playing RISK on meth.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:07:14am

re: #293 Lupin

Bannon would like that. I get the feeling that the guy is on the side of pure chaos. Entropy. It’s like a bad comic-book.

Bannon believes it’s necessary to burn the world down in order to build a new world - made in his image, of course - from the ashes. You know, sort of like that whole ‘we had to destroy the village in order to save it’ sort of thing.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:07:35am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Moldavia’s not here!”

??

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:08:31am

re: #295 Dr Lizardo

Bannon believes it’s necessary to burn the world down in order to build a new world - made in his image, of course - from the ashes. You know, sort of like that whole ‘we had to destroy the village in order to save it’ sort of thing.

He should really wear a black cape. And perhaps something with horns.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:09:31am

re: #297 Lupin

He should really wear a black cape. And perhaps something with horns.

The horror of it is that people like that really don’t think they’re the bad guys. They truly believe that they’re doing something positive.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:09:49am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

It has awakened.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:10:27am

re: #297 Lupin

He should really wear a black cape. And perhaps something with horns.

He is like a round Snidley Whiplash. Except Snidley was clean shaven and had a cool moustache.

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garzooma  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:11:08am

re: #231 Timothy Watson

Okay, Google’s doodle for today is for Fred Korematus’ (of the Japanese interment case, Koremastu v. United States) birthday, think they’re sending a message?

Google backing this up with $:
Google creates $4m crisis fund to fight Donald Trump’s ‘Muslim ban’

Google has set up a $4m (£3.2m) crisis fund to help employees and other people affected by President Donald Trump’s new immigration policy.
[…]
It will be distributed amongst four bodies: the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Immigrant Legal Resource Center (ILRC), International Rescue Committee (IRC) and the UN Refugee Agency (UNHR).

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:13:06am

re: #301 garzooma

Google backing this up with $:
Google creates $4m crisis fund to fight Donald Trump’s ‘Muslim ban’

Uh, oh, President Bannon and his office secretary Donald Trump just poked Google.

The ones that can tweak their search algorithm and put him on top of searches for “Satan” or “pole dancer.”

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:14:16am

French twitter posters are petitioning to the the Statue of Liberty back.

“It’s not as if you were using it right now” is one of the many funny posts.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:14:18am
Steve Kerr gives his candid thoughts on the Muslim Ban.
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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:15:19am

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

The horror of it is that people like that really don’t think they’re the bad guys. They truly believe that they’re doing something positive.

I wouldn’t go that far. I think Bannon is a sociopath.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:16:21am

re: #300 Anymouse

He is like a round Snidley Whiplash. Except Snidley was clean shaven and had a cool moustache.

Snidely Whiplash was also a patriotic Canadian.

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:17:02am

re: #300 Anymouse

He is like a round Snidley Whiplash. Except Snidley was clean shaven and had a cool moustache.

Or The Joker (Hearth Ledger version).

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:17:34am

re: #305 Lupin

I wouldn’t go that far. I think Bannon is a sociopath.

I don’t normally go in for religiously-loaded value judgements like “good and evil.” That said, I’m really close to the “evil” over “sociopath.” I didn’t even call Darth Cheney evil and that’s saying a lot.

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:17:40am

re: #289 Lupin

Personllay her visit to the WH reminded me of the Moldavian President calling on Brezhnev in the 70s.

Meee-ow! True enough but still that’s a cold burn.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:19:38am

re: #296 Lupin

“Moldavia’s not here!”

??

Cheech and Chong sketch

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:20:05am

re: #293 Lupin

Bannon would like that. I get the feeling that the guy is on the side of pure chaos. Entropy. It’s like a bad comic-book.

I swear that he thinks he’s Arioch from Elric of Melnibone…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:21:22am

re: #305 Lupin

I wouldn’t go that far. I think Bannon is a sociopath.

I agree, he knows he is evil and delights in it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:23:52am

OT, but this is weirdly amusing.

I’ve noticed for the past few weeks now that my goldfish begs for food whenever it sees me. A few days ago, it decided to up the ante.

I’ve been hearing this odd sound coming from the aquarium for the past few days. When I look over, I see the fish swimming in the top corner, looking at me. Today, I found out where the noise was coming from. What the fish is doing is swimming to the bottom of the aquarium, picking up one of those little multi-colored pebbles, swimming back up to the top and then spitting it out against the glass to attract my attention.

WTF? I didn’t think goldfish were that intelligent.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:25:11am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

OT, but this is weirdly amusing.

I’ve noticed for the past few weeks now that my goldfish begs for food whenever it sees me. A few days ago, it decided to up the ante.

I’ve been hearing this odd sound coming from the aquarium for the past few days. When I look over, I see the fish swimming in the top corner, looking at me. Today, I found out where the noise was coming from. What the fish is doing is swimming to the bottom of the aquarium, picking up one of those little multi-colored pebbles, swimming back up to the top and then spitting it out against the glass to attract my attention.

WTF? I didn’t think goldfish were that intelligent.

Your pets train you. Your goldfish has you right where he wants you.

That or your goldfish is rapidly evolving to take over.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:26:41am

re: #305 Lupin

I wouldn’t go that far. I think Bannon is a sociopath.

Yup. A real-life rendition of Heath Ledger’s Joker.

EDIT: Gaaaahhh I missed your identical comment above Lupin.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:29:10am

re: #315 Myron Falwell

Yup. A real-life rendition of Heath Ledger’s Joker.

EDIT: Gaaaahhh I missed your identical comment above Lupin.

Not the Penguin? He seems to be the right shape and hasn’t bathed.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:30:36am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I sometimes think they are hoping for some deus ex machina or unforeseen circumstances that arise and give them a chance to quietly ignore the Brexit outcome.

The UK Supreme Court has given them an out, if Parliament will take it.

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garzooma  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:32:17am

re: #304 FormerDirtDart

[Steve Kerr voices his displeasure with Donald Trump’s “Immigration Ban.” espn.com …]

His grandparents rescued Armenian refugees from the Middle East:
Steve Kerr’s Grandparents Rescued Armenian Orphans During Genocide

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:33:00am

re: #316 Anymouse

Not the Penguin? He seems to be the right shape and hasn’t bathed.

LOL the image of President Bannon doing Danny DeVito’s waddling and “wak-wak-wak…”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:33:36am
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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:33:41am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cheech and Chong sketch

Got it! Thanks!

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Lupin  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:34:41am

re: #311 William Lewis

I swear that he thinks he’s Arioch from Elric of Melnibone…

He may think that, but in that vein he’s be more like some crawling abomination out of HPL.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:35:42am

I caught just a brief moment of Fox this morning. One of them said “President Trump’s Executive Order appears to be working: Air France stopped people from boarding planes headed for the US from terrorist associated countries.” So many reasons to punch the TV. It reminded me of the story of the king that was paying for each rat killed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:35:50am

re: #317 Big Beautiful Door

The UK Supreme Court has given them an out, if Parliament will take it.

The Brexit referendum was merely a request that the government enact Article 50 and leave the EU. That, by EU statute, must be effected by a Parliamentary vote.

They could still simply vote not to and face the consequences with the public.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:35:56am

re: #318 garzooma

His grandparents rescued Armenian refugees from the Middle East:
Steve Kerr’s Grandparents Rescued Armenian Orphans During Genocide

…and his father, Malcolm Kerr, perished in the Beirut Bombing of 1984.

I’m a Cavaliers fan, but nothing but love and respect to Steve Kerr. He and Gregg Popovich have been very outspoken of late.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:36:32am

The Tweetragegasm has begun

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:36:56am

re: #319 Myron Falwell

LOL the image of President Bannon doing Danny DeVito’s waddling and “wak-wak-wak…”

WE HAVE A WINNAH!

I would never recommend tweeting pictures of President Oswald Cobblepot to his office secretary Donald Trump’s official and private Twitter channels. Suggesting he is being ruled by a slimy unwashed raw fish eater might cause him to become very angry with President Cobblepot (Bannon).

I think the key here is to drive a wedge between those two. The others will start the Long Knives themselves.

Wonkette non-commentators have gone all in on the hashtag PresidentBannon. They are flooding the zone.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:38:08am

The flip side is I caught Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings on this morning. Not only did he bring up that it was wrong legally, he also said it wasn’t the Christian thing to do, that we weren’t being very Christ like. We need to hear more of that from Christians.

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KingKenrod  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:40:55am

Since they didn’t “rush” into the country over the last 8 years, maybe our current system works well and these “bad dudes” are a figment.

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jeffreyw  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:41:13am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:41:40am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:44:01am

re: #328 Belafon

The flip side is I caught Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings on this morning. Not only did he bring up that it was wrong legally, he also said it wasn’t the Christian thing to do, that we weren’t being very Christ like. We need to hear more of that from Christians.

The last sentence. ^^^ This. Every Muslim is guilty for the crimes of one. Christians will claim “forgiven, no harm no foul” (or lone wolf, or no True Christian, or whatever).

I don’t judge all Muslims by the actions of one criminal, but the rank hypocrisy of so many Christians in our country makes it difficult for me sometimes to remember that the actions of one Christian criminal does not condemn them all.

But Mike Pence (and the GOP in general) has had overwhelming support, and Pence supported Cheeto Mussolini and sold him to Christians. Apparently they don’t read their own Bible on the parts about false prophets and how you treat the least of these.

There are so many Christians that are perfectly fine to vote for their religious beliefs that they were hornswaggled into voting for an anti-Christ over a Methodist woman fighting the good fight all her life, because “Baybeezzz” or “Liberalllls” or “Benghaziiiiiii” or “E-mails”!!!”

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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:44:27am

re: #153 Anymouse

Still waiting… .
rawstory.com

They have teenage volunteers pitching in though:
teenvogue.com

I’m sure Joel 0$teen will send a couple shekels from his weekly $600K haul to them.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:46:05am

re: #330 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

That’s Breakfast?????

Friday Ice Cube and chris tucker - damn

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:46:58am

re: #332 Anymouse

The last sentence. ^^^ This. Every Muslim is guilty for the crimes of one. Christians will claim “forgiven, no harm no foul” (or lone wolf, or no True Christian, or whatever).

I don’t judge all Muslims by the actions of one criminal, but the rank hypocrisy of so many Christians in our country makes it difficult for me sometimes to remember that the actions of one Christian criminal does not condemn them all.

But Mike Pence (and the GOP in general) has had overwhelming support, and Pence supported Cheeto Mussolini and sold him to Christians. Apparently they don’t read their own Bible on the parts about false prophets and how you treat the least of these.

There are so many Christians that are perfectly fine to vote for their religious beliefs that they were hornswaggled into voting for an anti-Christ over a Methodist woman fighting the good fight all her life, because “Baybeezzz” or “Liberalllls” or “Benghaziiiiiii” or “E-mails”!!!”

Pizzagate.

That anyone would be so utterly stupid to believe something so flagrantly outlandish makes me despair. One of students asked me about it, so I explained it to him - he was shocked that anyone with two function brain cells could believe such a thing.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:47:12am
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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:48:07am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

The Tweetragegasm has begun

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So far, the list of excuses is:

- “It’s not a Muslim ban because not all Muslim-majority countries named/Christians turned away.”
- “The list of countries was written up by the Obama admin, so they’re to blame for only these 7 countries being targeted.”
- “Only a small number of people have been affected by this ban.”
- “The EO remains in effect because the President has the authority to do whatever he deems legal to protect the country.”

And now…

“If we’d given notice, then the ‘bad guys’ would have rushed in before the ban was in effect.”

This does not address why people were held without council, why green card holders were included, why green card holders were being pressured to sign away their permanent residency, and why travelers were being forced to turn over access to their social media and phone contacts.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:48:12am

re: #333 Joe Bacon

I’m sure Joel 0$teen will send a couple shekels from his weekly $600K haul to them.

I’m pretty sure he won’t. Good Christian and all.

Betty Bowers is a parody by a Baptist seminary student who dropped out, but she sure fits into the biggest group of Christians I had to deal with. (I lived a sheltered atheist life until I went into the Navy, then I learned what religious bigotry was about. I was on the end of it.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:48:54am

re: #329 KingKenrod

Since they didn’t “rush” into the country over the last 8 years, maybe our current system works well and these “bad dudes” are a figment.

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Completely ignorant of how long it takes to get an immigration visa and all that.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:48:55am
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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:49:54am

re: #319 Myron Falwell

LOL the image of President Bannon doing Danny DeVito’s waddling and “wak-wak-wak…”

The Adam West Batman movie has really come to life with Penguin Bannon, Riddler Preibus, KKKatwoman KKKellyanne and Joker Flynn…

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:50:00am

re: #340 Belafon

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Hey Dave, you ever consider that perhaps waiting for the party to regain its sanity is a fool’s errand? That your party is irredeemably nuts?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:50:14am

re: #337 Targetpractice

Shorter: We’re bigots and we like it. - GOP

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:51:16am

re: #341 Joe Bacon

The Adam West Batman movie has really come to life with Penguin Bannon, Riddler Preibus, KKKatwoman KKKellyanne and Joker Flynn…

Who is Harley Quinn in all of this?

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:52:10am

re: #344 Anymouse

Who is Harley Quinn in all of this?

She’s too sane to join this group.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:52:23am

re: #340 Belafon

Eliminate ISIS all by ourselves, huh? I’mma thinking that’s gonna require some boots on the ground. I thought Trump wasn’t gonna get us involved in any more wars?

Wait, what’s that? Trump was full of shit?

I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

*headdesk*

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:52:24am

re: #344 Anymouse

Who is Harley Quinn in all of this?

AJ Delgato.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:52:28am

re: #344 Anymouse

Who is Harley Quinn in all of this?

Hard to tell if it’s Melania or Ivanka. Harley does have that “split personality”…

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:52:50am

re: #344 Anymouse

Who is Harley Quinn in all of this?

Toni Lahern as Poison Ivy.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:53:34am

re: #347 Myron Falwell

AJ Delgato.

Holy Paul Anka, Batman! Has she had her baby yet? And has Franky Graham forgiven her adulterous fling?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:54:19am

re: #350 Joe Bacon

Holy Paul Anka, Batman! Has she had her baby yet? And has Franky Graham forgiven her adulterous fling?

Probably still working on Brisdull Palin.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:56:39am

Given his theories about pyramids being used for grain storage and the earth only existing for 5,000 years, Ben Carson is the ideal King Tut.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:58:03am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 5:59:36am

Polish Foreign Ministry Attempted Hack Caused by Russian Hackers
thenews.pl
(Radio Poland in English)

A hacking attempt in December on the computer servers of the Polish Foreign Ministry was likely the work of Russian hackers, according to the Rzeczpospolita daily.
Image: pixabay.comImage: pixabay.com

The alleged hackers were part of the APT28 group, also known as the Fancy Bear cyber espionage group, which experts identify as being associated with the Main Intelligence Agency GRU - the foreign military intelligence agency of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

In its Monday edition the daily wrote that in December last year, several employees of the Foreign Ministry received mails which contained a document allegedly from the office NATO Secretary General. Once opened, the emails downloading a Trojan Horse virus which led to data theft.

The attack was very sophisticated, the daily quotes one of the ministry’s employees as saying. It was conducted through the servers of a “foreign ministry from a Latin American country”, Rzeczpospolita quoted a Polish foreign ministry spokesperson as saying.

The ATP28 group is considered to be the elite of cyber espionage, it is best known from operations in the US, where it recently intercepted emails from Democratic Party politicians.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:01:06am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

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Uh huh…

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:01:38am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

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“It only makes sense that we engage in some kind of selections process that prioritizes the entry of people who, as the order stated, don’t hold bigotry, hatred or violence against any sexual orientation, against any race, or against any particular class of people,” he said.

So when does the deportation of Trump’s base begin?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:02:44am

re: #356 Targetpractice

So when does the deportation of Trump’s base begin?

DARVO has become weaponized.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:04:18am

Edit: That’s SIX years of their normal donations.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:05:35am

Shamelessly copying from Balloon Juice:

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:08:04am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:08:35am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know if you had seen this, I posted it downstairs:

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:09:08am

re: #361 Timothy Watson

Didn’t know if you had seen this, I posted it downstairs:

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I had not. Awesome!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:09:22am

re: #358 Belafon

Edit: That’s SIX years of their normal donations.

Make The ACLU Great Again

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:09:35am

re: #358 Belafon

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Edit: That’s SIX years of their normal donations.

I joined the ACLU yesterday, posted about it on FB, and had numerous friends who thought that was a good idea and donated, too. Found out that family have been members for 20+ years.

Also went to the protest at my local airport. Trump can go fuck himself.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:09:57am

re: #26 KGxvi

I am going to believe the Congressional staffers. Regardless of ideology, they are professionals who understand the system. Also, didn’t someone post something a while back saying that one of the law firm’s that said they always sent two lawyers to any meeting with Trump?

Yup. I did. The two man rule.

Q: You had a meeting on June 16, 1990?

A: Right. Same identical entry. Right. Okay. For three quarters of an hour with Donald, right.

Q: Did Mr. Miller always do everything together with you when he was active in this case?

A: Not everything, but we—it’s always been our practice to make sure two people are present, and we don’t have a problem of people lying.

Q: You are meeting with your client?

A: That’s right. Our client. Hey, Trump is a leader in the field of expert—he’s an expert at interpreting things. Let’s put it that way.

Q: That’s interestingly put. As I recall in your letter to Mr. Descantis, which we marked yesterday, you indicated the policy of your office was to have two attorneys present for meeting with public officials?

A: Correct.

Q: Here you are meeting with your client?

A: That’s right.

Q: Was it necessary for both you and Mr. Miller to always attend the meeting —

A: We always do that.

Q: Always?

A: We tried to do it with Donald always if we could because Donald says certain things and then has a lack of memory.

Lack of memory back then. It’s only gotten worse - and he’s now adversely affecting national security and foreign policy on a daily basis.

Trump guts the NSC and the right wing security hawks are silent. They’re not attacking Trump over removing the DNI and JCS from the NSC.

Trump installed his neo Nazi right hand Bannon in their stead.

That’s right - remove the most senior military commander in the nation and the nation’s highest intel community official, and put an anarchist neo Nazi in their place.

This improves our security how? Oh you mean it doesn’t? Well, what was the purpose then if not to improve national security? To insulate Trump from the reality and folly of his actions - or to keep him from hearing anything that he would find objectionable (which is everything since he’s in his own alt-reality to go along with his alt-facts). Or to surround himself with yes men who will do exactly as he demands, no matter how batcrap insane or unconstitutional they are.

The Muslim ban is just the tip of the iceberg, and we’re going to see the next step today when Trump reveals his Supreme Court pick. This is someone who is likely to uphold the Muslim ban, despite it being de facto and de jure unconstitutional (and would love to get Rudy testifying under oath as to his statements, along with Pence, since they have not only indicated that this was a Muslim ban (Rudy) but that it would be unconstitutional (Pence).)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:10:11am

re: #361 Timothy Watson

Didn’t know if you had seen this, I posted it downstairs:
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I no has the book of faces at work. What is the news?

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:11:46am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:11:52am

LOL that LAX cop above. There might be more support from the police than we think.

(That and there has been no head-bashing: The police around the country in liberal and conservative states are simply observing and not interfering. No arrests after two giant nationwide protests.)

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:12:19am

re: #363 Sir John Barron

Make The ACLU Great Again

That should be on a whole lot of red hats.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:12:23am

re: #358 Belafon

The sleeping giant has been awakened.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:12:57am

re: #337 Targetpractice

So far, the list of excuses is:

- “It’s not a Muslim ban because not all Muslim-majority countries named/Christians turned away.”
- “The list of countries was written up by the Obama admin, so they’re to blame for only these 7 countries being targeted.”
- “Only a small number of people have been affected by this ban.”
- “The EO remains in effect because the President has the authority to do whatever he deems legal to protect the country.”

And now…

“If we’d given notice, then the ‘bad guys’ would have rushed in before the ban was in effect.”

This does not address why people were held without council, why green card holders were included, why green card holders were being pressured to sign away their permanent residency, and why travelers were being forced to turn over access to their social media and phone contacts.

“The EO is Obama’s Delta Airlines fault and the EO is the greatest thing ever to protect this country!”

/

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Targetpractice  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:13:06am

re: #359 Belafon

Shamelessly copying from Balloon Juice:

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It really doesn’t seem like it’s only been two weeks since we were being told by “serious people” that we needed to “give Trump a chance” before we began criticizing him. Told that he might button down and make an effort to be an effective president and we needed to wait for him to fuck up before we began openly opposing him.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:15:19am

re: #371 Sir John Barron

“The EO is Obama’s Delta Airlines fault and the EO is the greatest thing ever to protect this country!”

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Why not both: Delta Airlines and the Marxist Kenyan atheistic Muslim (how does that work) apologist in chief Obama.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:16:38am

re: #372 Targetpractice

It really doesn’t seem like it’s only been two weeks since we were being told by “serious people” that we needed to “give Trump a chance” before we began criticizing him. Told that he might button down and make an effort to be an effective president and we needed to wait for him to fuck up before we began openly opposing him.

Let us not forget.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:16:42am

re: #372 Targetpractice

It really doesn’t seem like it’s only been two weeks since we were being told by “serious people” that we needed to “give Trump a chance” before we began criticizing him. Told that he might button down and make an effort to be an effective president and we needed to wait for him to fuck up before we began openly opposing him.

Well, it’s not our fault he fouled up right out of the gate.

He told us who he was. Liberals believed him. Conservatives not so much. That’s why areyousorryyet.com is full of conservatives and no liberals.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:17:29am

re: #372 Targetpractice

It really doesn’t seem like it’s only been two weeks since we were being told by “serious people” that we needed to “give Trump a chance” before we began criticizing him. Told that he might button down and make an effort to be an effective president and we needed to wait for him to fuck up before we began openly opposing him.

In another week DT will announce a State of National Emergency, disband Congress and rule by fiat.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:17:39am

re: #366 Sir John Barron

I no has the book of faces at work. What is the news?

Picture of Democratic gubernatorial candidate here in Virginia, Tom Perriello, at the Dulles International Airport with this message:

I’m back at Dulles tonight, deeply inspired by the lawyers and protestors resisting against the immoral and unconstitutional ban on refugees and Muslims.

One thing we discussed was the need to broaden our coalition beyond those who are already convinced by moral and legal arguments. In that spirit, I wanted to offer a few ideas you might try with friends who seem unconvinced about the costs of these Executive Orders, and hear ideas that have been effective for you. My three suggestions are:

1. Hurts Our Economy: The ban - and the incompetent way the Trump Administration announced it - are bad for business. Tourism, business travel, and essential work by foreign employees of U.S. companies like Google, Lyft and Netflix would all be curbed by a ban. The incoherent launch of this policy has created massive confusion and chilled international travel.

2. Strengthens ISIS and America’s Enemies: Headlines about a “Muslim Ban” have been broadcast around the world, handing our worst enemies a golden tool for recruitment and propaganda.

3. Trump Chose to Get Rich over Making Us Safe: By his own logic, Trump has undermined our national security by exempting refugees from Muslim-majority countries where he owns hotels and has business interests. This is corruption in its clearest form, and this is exactly why our Constitution specifically bars the conflicts of interest that Trump is clearly and without question violating.

Let us know whether these arguments work and what else might help to expand our Constitutional coalition.

I posted it since I saw it on Facebook and HappyWarrior is supporting Perriello for Governor.

(I am leaning towards the other candidate, Ralph Northam, right now.)

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:17:49am

re: #370 Myron Falwell

The sleeping giant has been awakened.

Now we need our Katniss. I don’t know that Democrats could ever follow an “I am your leader” type, but having someone who does something for everyone to follow I think would work.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:19:10am

re: #373 Anymouse

Why not both: Delta Airlines and the Marxist Kenyan atheistic Muslim (how does that work) apologist in chief Obama.

And Soros, never forget Soros.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:19:40am

re: #360 lockjawcanbefun

BBCreporting one of the shooters is of Moroccan descent. wtf

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:20:13am

Half expecting DT to place three names in nomination for SCOTUS, announce he’s expanding the Court to 11 Justices.

Fox News: This is bold, daring. America needs more justices! Give DT a chance!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:20:23am

re: #378 Belafon

Now we need our Katniss. I don’t know that Democrats could ever follow an “I am your leader” type, but having someone who does something for everyone to follow I think would work.

We will get Alma Coin before we get Katniss. Hello, Tulsi!

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:21:17am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

We will get Alma Coin before we get Katniss. Hello, Tulsi!

That’s the fear.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:22:22am

The irony is thick* that Trump’s latest line of defense of the indefensible Muslim ban is that he is relying on Obama’s list of nations. Except that the list was a warning for US citizens traveling to them. It was not meant to exclude those foreign nationals from seeking refuge here or keeping them out even if they have visas or green cards.

*The Kenyan Muslim usurper and illegitimate president’s directive is the basis for our lawful law - the best law - the most important law - super secret and kept from our national security people because of national security - and rolled out with no guidance because national security that the bad guys might rush in ahead of it.

Repeated for the choir: anyone seeking asylum in the US is vetted more thoroughly than anyone else looking to enter the US. The process is extremely long and thorough, and there are easier ways to get in than to claim refugee status and asylum. 18-24 months. The US takes in a fraction of a percentage of global refugees a year, and the GOP soils itself that these are the true threats, all while doing nothing while gun violence continues to kill 11,000 a year (not counting the suicides and the shootings where people survive). You’re far more likely to get killed in a shooting by your fellow American than a refugee. You’re far more likely to be the victim of a crime perpetrated by an American than a refugee.

The odds? They don’t favor this administration. They are not in its favor.

Nor are the numbers. And Trump’s lies keep multiplying. The White House approves of the Trump numbers. They are the best numbers.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:24:12am

Through all of this, Democrats also need to be raising a stink about the illegal appointment of Bannon to the NSC.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:24:12am

re: #381 Sir John Barron

Half expecting DT to place three names in nomination for SCOTUS, announce he’s expanding the Court to 11 Justices.

Fox News: This is bold, daring. America needs more justices! Give DT a chance!

Not without changing the law. Judiciary Act of 1869 sets it at nine (which is why when FDR tried to pack the court the GOP went off the rails):

livescience.com

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:26:31am

re: #385 Belafon

Through all of this, Democrats also need to be raising a stink about the illegal appointment of Bannon to the NSC.

A bill is being brought before the Senate to address that issue. I’m guessing the GOP will kill it in committee.

I’m not sure of the legality of the appointment, but the idea that Bannon went through “extreme vetting” for a security clearance in this short time is ludicrous. Plus, any competent investigation would disqualify him because of his very public presence at Deadbart.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:27:38am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

In another week DT will announce a State of National Emergency, disband Congress and rule by fiat.

And presumably, the GOP will be all like, “Hooray! We love you, President Trump!!”

I really wouldn’t be all that surprised.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:27:40am

Oh look Donald Trump updated his profile pic.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:28:31am

re: #387 Anymouse

A bill is being brought before the Senate to address that issue. I’m guessing the GOP will kill it in committee.

I’m not sure of the legality of the appointment, but the idea that Bannon went through “extreme vetting” for a security clearance in this short time is ludicrous. Plus, any competent investigation would disqualify him because of his very public presence at Deadbart.

Bannon should never be within ten miles of the WH.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:29:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:34:56am

re: #391 lawhawk

Some people don’t like Freedom very much.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:36:20am

re: #391 lawhawk

I’m generally a non-violent sort of guy, a liberal living in a town where there are many times the number of guns than people (even if you don’t count the gun shop). [Shhhh don’t tell wingnuts liberals own guns as well.]

That said, considering what Nazi ideology espouses, I figure Nazi-punching is nothing more than self defence and standing my ground. They are an existential threat to Jews, atheists, liberals, socialists, Poles, JW’s, disabled, elderly, mentally ill, &c.

As much as I dislike JW house-pandering, I would still defend JWs freedom of religion from a group that would choose to wipe them from the face of the Earth.

Yup, punching a Nazi is self-defence, defence of others, and I don’t have to tolerate intolerance.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:36:22am

DT is tweeting furiously this morning.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:36:46am

re: #391 lawhawk

Near the end of Atlas Shrugged, when “Objective Selfishness” had taken over the country, a man punches a mom who is trying to get her kid to give his toy to a poor kid, and everyone looks away because the man was right.

I will be sorely tempted to walk away if a Nazi gets punched.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:38:23am

Also, now, it’s WH aide Stephen Miller’s fault, this EO. Although the EO is great and why are Democrats crying and the media whining and why does everyone hate DT?

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:38:40am

re: #395 Belafon

Near the end of Atlas Shrugged, when “Objective Selfishness” had taken over the country, a man punches a mom who is trying to get her kid to give his toy to a poor kid, and everyone looks away because the man was right.

I will be sorely tempted to walk away if a Nazi gets punched.

Always remember:

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unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:39:26am

re: #111 Interesting Times

Er…

Related to the whitehouse.gov makeover, this is …interesting (in the sense of that ancient Chinese curse): General Dynamics IT - Press Releases

Ike’s farewell address has been ignored by too many.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:39:33am

I’m going to write a proclamation to be voted on by the village board at the next meeting. Screw it.

I am going to get the other board members on record for supporting suppression of freedom of religion or no.

A proclamation passed by the board (the only two written in forty years by our board were both written by me and passed unanimously: One condemning the terrorism of the Boston Marathon bombing and a statewide proclamation on the death of a previous village clerk) goes into the public record and is published in the local and regional paper.

If it is defeated it goes into the minutes published in the paper with the names of the board members by roll call votes.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:40:28am

re: #394 Sir John Barron

DT is tweeting furiously this morning.

Based on my comment above from Fox, we are currently in the midst of a message war. Trump can lie and try to change the rules, and he has Fox and Breitbart and other sites on his side, but the crowds and the judges contradict what he says. His tweeting is another attempt on his side to control the message.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:40:32am

re: #391 lawhawk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:40:42am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

In another week DT will announce a State of National Emergency, disband Congress and rule by fiat.

He will NOT! He will rule by American-made car!!!

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:40:57am

re: #395 Belafon

Near the end of Atlas Shrugged, when “Objective Selfishness” had taken over the country, a man punches a mom who is trying to get her kid to give his toy to a poor kid, and everyone looks away because the man was right.

I will be sorely tempted to walk away if a Nazi gets punched.

I won’t be tempted, I’ll walk away. If he is in actual danger of his life then I will render aid or call the local fire brigade. If not, he can get his own help.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:41:34am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

We will get Alma Coin before we get Katniss. Hello, Tulsi!

We already do. Oh hai, President Bannon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:42:09am

re: #378 Belafon

Now we need our Katniss. I don’t know that Democrats could ever follow an “I am your leader” type, but having someone who does something for everyone to follow I think would work.

We do need a Folk Hero movement. I see some stirrings of that in the support for Alt US National Parks, and of course, the ACLU.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:43:38am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He will NOT! He will rule by American-made car!!!

LOL. He certainly won’t rule by Smart.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:44:37am

As emboldened as these goons are i’m not worried about punching a Nazi or another of these guys. I simply won’t start violence. What seems more and more likely is doing something to protect an innocent from a Nazi.

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jeffreyw  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:45:08am

re: #334 Joe Bacon

That’s Breakfast?????

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Makes an excellent breakfast!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:47:03am

re: #396 Sir John Barron

Also, now, it’s WH aide Stephen Miller’s fault, this EO. Although the EO is great and why are Democrats crying and the media whining and why does everyone hate DT?

/

I wonder what’s going to happen if there’s a real international crisis. Not something minor, but full-on, full-blown.

Hypothetical: Trump follows through on Tillerson’s advice and blockades those artificial islands China’s been busy with in the South China Sea. Naturally, to China, this is an act of war. Things get hinky real fast and China responds with a volley of 3M-80MBE anti-ship missiles (which, the last time I checked, we have no real defense against - and someone here please correct me if I’m wrong on that one) and sinks four or five USN ships (and let’s up the ante and include a US aircraft carrier for this hypothetical).

Now, Trump’s got a real crisis on his hands. Five ships, including a flattop, at the bottom of the South China Sea. Hundreds of USN sailors dead, many more hundreds as POW’s.

It’s 3 A.M., President Trump……what are you going to do? Check your Twitter account first while you’re dropping a deuce? Ragetweet about some actor who insulted you?

Clock’s ticking, Sparky.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:47:49am

Lets be honest. They want to say it is not a Muslim ban. Okay, you know what? Then call it what it is.

This is a BROWN PEOPLE BAN. I mean, they think all Muslims are brown anyway.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:49:26am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:50:15am

re: #409 Dr Lizardo

I wonder what’s going to happen if there’s a real international crisis. Not something minor, but full-on, full-blown.

Hypothetical: Trump follows through on Tillerson’s advice and blockades those artificial islands China’s been busy with in the South China Sea. Naturally, to China, this is an act of war. Things get hinky real fast and China responds with a volley of 3M-80MBE anti-ship missiles (which, the last time I checked, we have no real defense against - and someone here please correct me if I’m wrong on that one) and sinks four or five USN ships (and let’s up the ante and include a US aircraft carrier for this hypothetical).

Now, Trump’s got a real crisis on his hands. Five ships, including a flattop, at the bottom of the South China Sea. Hundreds of USN sailors dead, many more hundreds as POW’s.

It’s 3 A.M., President Trump……what are you going to do? Check your Twitter account first while you’re dropping a deuce? Ragetweet about some actor who insulted you?

Clock’s ticking, Sparky.

Yeah, that’s what I wonder, too. He’s creating his own crises for now.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:50:24am

re: #411 FormerDirtDart

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That was my first thought too. Shows how ignorant he is.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:51:54am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:52:08am

re: #396 Sir John Barron

Also, now, it’s WH aide Stephen Miller’s fault, this EO. Although the EO is great and why are Democrats crying and the media whining and why does everyone hate DT?

/

So they are blaming one of the fascist Steves?

The long knives are coming out already: Look for Stephen Miller to be ousted soon. Good. Need to keep up pressure on office secretary Trump that President Bannon and the rest of his staff is not looking out for his interests, they are the boss of him.

I dread the idea of an administration that is so involved with infighting it is ineffective.

I am terrified of a fascist administration that knows what it is doing.

I would never suggest to Trump on his Twitter feed that he fire President Banner. That might upset him. Nope, not me. (Mostly because I am not on Twitter.)

I would never suggest if Stephen Miller is this incompetent that the man famous for the “You’re fired” line employ it against a rank amateur in his administration.

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mmmirele  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:52:18am

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Henny Penny  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:53:30am

If one was to punch a Nazi, how would a bystander tell the difference between the Nazi and the Non-Nazi?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:53:36am

re: #414 FormerDirtDart

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Lovely.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:53:49am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:55:47am

re: #416 mmmirele

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:56:13am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

Everything is fine…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:57:29am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 6:57:38am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

This is Fine

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:00:16am

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:01:14am

re: #403 Anymouse

I won’t be tempted, I’ll walk away. If he is in actual danger of his life then I will render aid or call the local fire brigade. If not, he can get his own help.

Not me; I’d sit and watch a Nazi die. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:03:08am

re: #425 Big Beautiful Door

Not me; I’d sit and watch a Nazi die. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Let us now discuss how many Nazis can goose-step on the head of a pin…

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:04:07am

Things are so out of whack, Bill Kristol is making a lot of sense. No, seriously:

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:04:29am

re: #425 Big Beautiful Door

Not me; I’d sit and watch a Nazi die. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Well, I don’t really want to see anyone die. I guess I am just too much of a bleeding heart.

That said, some people from the white supremacist movement have abandoned their hate (the SPLC has some more prominent members’ stories) along with wingnut Christians (notably from Westboro Baptist) that left their religious faith (some for other more moderate Christian churches, others rejecting religion outright).

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:04:59am

re: #425 Big Beautiful Door

Not me; I’d sit and watch a Nazi die. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I wouldn’t do that. But I do want the Nazis to have to go back to saying “Seen Kyle?” in order to identify each other.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:05:50am

re: #429 Belafon

I wouldn’t do that. But I do want the Nazis to have to go back to saying “Seen Kyle?” in order to identify each other.

It’s been over 90 years and they still can’t find Kyle yet.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:07:17am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

It’s been over 90 years and they still can’t find Kyle yet.

But they are closer to their ‘Seig’ than at any time since 1944.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:07:50am

re: #426 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let us now discuss how many Nazis can goose-step on the head of a pin…

LOL: Nazi Canada Geese.

Someone needs to create an image of a Canada goose in jackboots and a snappy uniform. I would E-mail the crap out of that.

As many Canada geese target my car with areal bombing, I think they might really be Nazis anyway, using the upgrade V-2 doodlegoose system.

You can only take so many out with a shotgun, and I think barrage balloons are prohibited in the village ordinances - I’ll have to check.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:08:12am
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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:08:58am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:10:02am

Gah!! On my drive in to work this morning, spent a few seconds listening to an MSNBC interview of Andrew Tuttle from the National Review justifying the Muslim ban. It just reconfirmed my view that NR is, as it has always been, an upscale version of Breitbart. Same dishonesty but expressed somewhat more eloquently. He even repeated that the list of countries was originally selected by Obama!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:18:36am
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weave  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:19:28am

re: #433 lawhawk

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That’s just ridiculous anyway. So the new regulation incorporates and combines old regulations — if done correctly.

It’ll be used as an excuse to gut things but in reality it can be gotten around for a while if Congress weren’t hell bent on destroying our quality of life.

Never mind — we’re fucked. They’ll use it as an excuse to eliminate much needed regulations claiming they don’t have a choice.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:21:15am

re: #252 Anymouse

RE: Petition Trump and the UK

I hate to toss cold water on anything but Prince Phillip is a pretty racist guy. He has been noted to have said some quite…interesting…things. My husband, a Canadian, has said this numerous times over the years and apparently, Phillip has gotten himself into hot tepid water (he is a royal, they don’t really get into hot water) more than a few times.

Any reason the Royals wouldn’t meet with Trump would be optics alone.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:22:32am

I’m old enough to remember when Pat Tillman was a conservative icon…

Facebook Post

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:25:31am

This alternate reality, where I agree with Paula Broadwell and Bill Kristol, sucks.

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mmmirele  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:27:02am

re: #420 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:28:40am

re: #433 lawhawk

I recall someone else that said that long before Mr. Trump. I can’t remember if it was Senator Rand Paul or Representative Paul Ryan (or maybe someone else).

An EO revoking Congressional Pay and Privileges until such time as the tax code is simplified to restore the 90% marginal rate under Eisenhower.

Revoke the huge pile of regulations surrounding the ACA with a simultaneous Medicare-for-All scheme.

Revoke the Byzantine pile of immigration regulations with a simple set for everyone and a return to agricultural visas.

Never mind, apparently for a minute I believed I lived in a nation where a “conservative” party valued its citizens.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:28:58am

re: #440 Timothy Watson

This alternate reality, where I agree with Paula Broadwell and Bill Kristol, sucks.

So — are we living now in the parallel Star Trek universe in which Earth runs a malevolent Empire, instead of being part of the benign Federation? Where every character is an evil mirror of the real characters?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:29:37am

re: #443 Hecuba’s daughter

So — are we living now in the parallel Star Trek universe in which Earth runs a malevolent Empire, instead of being part of the benign Federation? Where every character is an evil mirror of the real characters?

Well, we haven’t seen Paul Ryan grow a goatee yet… .

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:30:38am

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:32:03am

re: #443 Hecuba’s daughter

So — are we living now in the parallel Star Trek universe in which Earth runs a malevolent Empire, instead of being part of the benign Federation? Where every character is an evil mirror of the real characters?

I was thinking the alternate reality on the show Fringe, it was kinda dystopian, but at least there The West Wing was still on television.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:32:11am

re: #444 Anymouse

Well, we haven’t seen Paul Ryan grow a goatee yet… .

Except Paul Ryan is equally malevolent in the original universe!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:32:12am

re: #444 Anymouse

Well, we haven’t seen Paul Ryan grow a goatee yet… .

remember, he had a beard but shaved it…coincidence?

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:32:35am

re: #275 Lupin

French news. This morning French polls gave 25% both to the combined left (Hamon + Melanchon) and Le Pen, 22% Fillon (right), 21% Macron. Whoever goes to the second round still trounces Le Pen by 20 points. If the Left can confirm its turn towards the real Left and paper over personality differences, they have a shot. Time will tell.

If we are lucky, all the EU countries pending votes will see Brexit and Trump as cautionary tales. I am worried about Germany since Putin and Bannon are involving themselves. I hope Germans are smarter than we were. I hope they see what is happening here as something they do not want. I have hope.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:33:13am

UK Parliament rejects petition that received over a million signatures to prevent Mr. Trump from a Royal visit, citing invitation was already extended and accepted.

huffingtonpost.co.uk;

A Downing Street spokesman said on Monday the invitation had been “extended and accepted”, confirming reports that retracting the offer would “undo everything” from Trump’s talks with Theresa May last week.

More than one million people have signed a petition calling for Trump’s visit to be cancelled.

When a petition reaches more than 100,000 signatures, Parliament considers it for debate.

A statement on the government petition reads: “Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official state visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.”

It continues: “Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales.

(more at Huffington Post)

I hope the Queen is wearing a suit of armour to prevent pussy-grabber in chief from any shenanigans.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:34:39am

re: #447 Hecuba’s daughter

Except Paul Ryan is equally malevolent in the original universe!

Does that mean if he grows a goatee, he ceases being a granny starver and campaigns for universal health care?

Trade offs, trade offs… .

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:34:58am

re: #433 lawhawk

What the fuck does this even mean? Are they intending to get it thrown out immediately in court?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:35:02am

re: #450 Anymouse

UK Parliament rejects petition that received over a million signatures to prevent Mr. Trump from a Royal visit, citing invitation was already extended and accepted.

huffingtonpost.co.uk;

(more at Huffington Post)

I hope the Queen is wearing a suit of armour to prevent pussy-grabber in chief from any shenanigans.

Hopefully she calls him a draft dodger and tells him to fuck off.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:35:45am

re: #433 lawhawk

What was the original tweet? I can’t see it at work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:36:01am

re: #445 MsJ

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:36:05am

re: #449 MsJ

If we are lucky, all the EU countries pending votes will see Brexit and Trump as cautionary tales. I am worried about Germany since Putin and Bannon are involving themselves. I hope Germans are smarter than we were. I hope they see what is happening here as something they do not want. I have hope.

Wasn’t Germany the original cautionary tale that should have insulated us from Trump? Of course, Americans are ignorant of history so we never learn lessons.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:36:59am

re: #454 Belafon

What was the original tweet? I can’t see it at work.

For every new regulation, two regulations are immediately nullified. That’s my guess… my brain leeched out of my skull looking at the CNBC tweet.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:39:19am

re: #456 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t Germany the original cautionary tale that should have insulated us from Trump? Of course, Americans are ignorant of history so we never learn lessons.

RWNJs are ignorant of history (and damn near everything else). Everyone else isn’t, as the world is starting to see.

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ozharas  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:40:16am

and it’s signed…

politico.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:42:00am

re: #458 Myron Falwell

RWNJs are ignorant of history (and damn near everything else). Everyone else isn’t, as the world is starting to see.

Not just RWNJ’s —-die hard Bernie Bros are in the same category.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:42:55am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

Hopefully she calls him a draft dodger and tells him to fuck off.

Regrettably, Queen Elizabeth II is much too polite for that.

Trump doesn’t deserve to be within ten thousand yards of her. This will be one helluva massive ego stroke for him, and the craven Conservatives in the UK Parliament are enabling him.

Why do I get the impression that conservatives are similar in their cravenness regardless of the country?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:43:34am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:44:05am

re: #461 Anymouse

Regrettably, Queen Elizabeth II is much too polite for that.

Trump doesn’t deserve to be within ten thousand yards of her. This will be one helluva massive ego stroke for him, and the craven Conservatives in the UK Parliament are enabling him.

Why do I get the impression that conservatives are similar in their cravenness regardless of the country?

Only modern conservatives. Churchill would have known how to treat him

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:45:16am

re: #460 Hecuba’s daughter

Not just RWNJ’s —-die hard Bernie Bros are in the same category.

Fuck the Bros. Nuff said.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:46:18am

re: #461 Anymouse

Mostly because conservatives, especially in their present-day guise, are essentially nothing more than authoritarians of varying degree.

They resist change. They resist progress. They resist innovation. They not only resist these things, they fear them deeply and fight against them.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:47:45am

re: #461 Anymouse

Regrettably, Queen Elizabeth II is much too polite for that.

Trump doesn’t deserve to be within ten thousand yards of her. This will be one helluva massive ego stroke for him, and the craven Conservatives in the UK Parliament are enabling him.

Why do I get the impression that conservatives are similar in their cravenness regardless of the country?

Maybe she can find a “polite” way to mention the military service of pretty much every male family member.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:47:57am

re: #303 Lupin

I stolded that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:49:53am

re: #459 ozharas

and it’s signed…

politico.com

My sister has a similar policy; whenever she buys a new piece of clothing, she throws out an old item so her wardrobe is forever new. My policy is to buy more hangers.

Any creative agency can work around this restriction. The new regulation can incorporate the old ones. There are also many regulations that are obsolete and dead letters.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:51:51am

re: #466 Timothy Watson

Maybe she can find a “polite” way to mention the military service of pretty much every male family member.

Trump can regal her with stories of his personal Vietnam fought in the discos and brothels of New York.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:52:11am

re: #463 Hecuba’s daughter

Only modern conservatives. Churchill would have known how to treat him

It would appear that the comment section on that UK Huffington Post article I linked above has devolved into a bunch of fascist apologetics from Americans, equivocating from conservative Brits (we trade with odious nations all the time, what’s the difference here - never mind you don’t need a Royal visit to do a trade deal), &c.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:52:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:52:48am

re: #468 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister has a similar policy; whenever she buys a new piece of clothing, she throws out an old item so her wardrobe is forever new. My policy is to buy more hangers.

Any creative agency can work around this restriction. The new regulation can incorporate the old ones. There are also many regulations that are obsolete and dead letters.

I do not think to buy a new article of clothing until an old one has worn out or is about to…

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:53:58am

re: #305 Lupin

I wouldn’t go that far. I think Bannon is a sociopath.

I think a lot of “conservatives” are. There is no empathy for anyone, no concept of anyone other than them. If it doesn’t benefit them or mean something to them or center around them (not their families or anyone else, but them), it is meaningless. You see it in every tweet, every column written by any of them.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:55:09am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Is this where we are now?! Rich people preparing for the worst; the poor don’t have this option…

Don’t worry, Vault-Tec will be holding lotteries for some poor people.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:55:31am

re: #472 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not think to buy a new article of clothing until an old one has worn out or is about to…

I’ve lost 85 lbs since September, so I’ve had to periodically buy some new clothes; but I shop at KMart.

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electrotek  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:55:53am

Has anyone collected a set of tweets from Islamophobes in their reaction to the mass murder in Quebec?

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:55:56am

re: #473 MsJ

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:56:14am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

And what do the rich do when Mad Max: American edition comes after they run out of supplies in their bomb shelters? They starve. They have no clue how to forage, hunt, fish, or anything else without high technology and lots of money.

I can club a wild turkey in my yard and dress it (and have). I have chickens. No chickens in bomb shelters.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:57:28am

Ms. Mensch is quite convinced that the Rogue POTUS twitter account is the Chuckster:

Don’t know how she’s connected those dots, but I’m willing to believe it.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:59:04am

LOL a comment on that Parliament rejection of the petition:

That`s right, of course but that`s still the normal treatment for heads of state. You can, as we did with Bush, make this a memorable visit by lining the streets and holding signs that said what our government thought as well but couldn`t officially say.

Getting Trump out of his home-turf comfort zone might actually be healthy for him. And, if nothing else, it would be a decent move by the UK (and I am sure Germany will follow suit) to give the US citizens a short period in which they know that their president is somewhere else. Maybe cause a Twitter malfunction as well and many US citizens would be very, very happy. (emphasis mine)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 7:59:59am

re: #479 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I don’t know……….that Rogue WH Staffers account seems too literate to be the Floorshitter. It’s coherent, it makes grammatical sense; not exactly trademarks of Chuckles’ written style. Plus, if it were Rage Furby, he couldn’t help but talk about himself.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:00:46am

Stock markets seeing biggest drops since October over Trump’s Muslim ban and protectionist bent.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:00:51am

re: #479 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Ms. Mensch is quite convinced that the Rogue POTUS twitter account is the Chuckster:

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Don’t know how she’s connected those dots, but I’m willing to believe it.

I think Ms. Mensch is a few French fries short of a happy meal. She’s also ranting about how the Supreme Court is going to remove Trump from office.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:02:42am

re: #482 lawhawk

Stock markets seeing biggest drops since October over Trump’s Muslim ban and protectionist bent.

ALL OBAMA’S FAULT!1!!

Wait, weren’t you crediting Trump with the Dow breaking 20,000?

SHUT UP LIBTARD!!1!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:03:49am

re: #481 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know……….that Rogue WH Staffers account seems too literate to be the Floorshitter. It’s coherent, it makes grammatical sense; not exactly trademarks of Chuckles’ written style. Plus, if it were Rage Furby, he couldn’t help but talk about himself.

Compare Rogue POTUS to Malik Obama’s Twitter (which has all the unmistakable signs of being a Rage Furby-run account).

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unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:03:52am

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

Pizzagate.

That anyone would be so utterly stupid to believe something so flagrantly outlandish makes me despair. One of students asked me about it, so I explained it to him - he was shocked that anyone with two function brain cells could believe such a thing.

A story pushed by Gen. Flynn —now in POTUS’ closest inner circle.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:04:35am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:04:57am

re: #482 lawhawk

Stock markets seeing biggest drops since October over Trump’s Muslim ban and protectionist bent.

LOL at the plutocrats losing money. ////

If only they could be fucked as much as we are.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:05:25am

re: #483 Timothy Watson

I think Ms. Mensch is a few French fries short of a happy meal. She’s also ranting about how the Supreme Court is going to remove Trump from office.

Haven’t seen that particular bit of analysis, but some of her observations and conjectures have been quite astute. I’ll admit a bit of confirmation bias — I want her to be right, obviously.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:06:01am

re: #488 Myron Falwell

LOL at the plutocrats losing money. Fuck them.

Dude, a lot of people are going to be losing money, pretty much anyone with a 401(k) or similar, including myself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:06:46am

re: #488 Myron Falwell

LOL at the plutocrats losing money. Fuck them.

I have a retirement account but I am not a Plutocrat.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:06:51am

re: #482 lawhawk

Stock markets seeing biggest drops since October over Trump’s Muslim ban and protectionist bent.

Wall Street to Trump: Let me talk to you in terms you might understand, money, about how fucked this is.

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makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:07:26am

re: #490 Timothy Watson

Dude, a lot of people are going to be losing money, pretty much anyone with a 401(k) or similar, including myself.

Yeah, I just flashed back to how well I did when the housing bubble burst.

//

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:08:48am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

I have a retirement account but I am not a Plutocrat.

Your savings are increasing alternately.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:08:50am

re: #490 Timothy Watson

Dude, a lot of people are going to be losing money, pretty much anyone with a 401(k) or similar, including myself.

The 401(k), which doesn’t quite take the place of pensions, and into which most people have no choice but bet their meager savings on the markets. That is if your employer offers it, gives you a company match, etc.

The 401(k), which the GOP thinks is what should replace Social Security. Gambling on granny’s future - even though Social Security is funded by payroll deductions - a dedicated tax. The GOP wouldn’t mind gutting that and claiming that they’re saving Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare solvency all while destroying it.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:12:00am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:12:12am

re: #495 lawhawk

The 401(k), which doesn’t quite take the place of pensions, and into which most people have no choice but bet their meager savings on the markets. That is if your employer offers it, gives you a company match, etc.

The 401(k), which the GOP thinks is what should replace Social Security. Gambling on granny’s future - even though Social Security is funded by payroll deductions - a dedicated tax. The GOP wouldn’t mind gutting that and claiming that they’re saving Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare solvency all while destroying it.

The reason GOP isn’t reacting to Trump with the same utter horror as the rest of us is that they see in him the means to achieve their fondest wish of gutting Social Security and Medicare.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:12:46am

re: #482 lawhawk

Stock markets seeing biggest drops since October over Trump’s Muslim ban and protectionist bent.

The DOW is plummeting:

thestockmarketwatch.com

Only three companies gaining, all less than 1%.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:13:28am

re: #479 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Ms. Mensch is quite convinced that the Rogue POTUS twitter account is the Chuckster:

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Don’t know how she’s connected those dots, but I’m willing to believe it.

No way. He is not as eloquent as what is being written. Plus, this is a #resist person writing it. I think he has an “in” but is not actually there.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:13:41am

What does Trump care about the market? Does he own any equities? And isn’t he getting a 19% stake in Rosneft?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:14:09am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

The reason GOP isn’t reacting to Trump with the same utter horror as the rest of us is that they see in him the means to achieve their fondest wish of gutting Social Security and Medicare.

And Labor, and the rest of the New Deal.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:15:13am

re: #493 makeitstop

Yeah, I just flashed back to how well I did when the housing bubble burst.

//

When we moved to Nebraska, my wife sold the home she bought in Oklahoma at the bottom of the market. (We left for political reasons when Mary Fallin was elected. Money was not the concern, getting out of wingnutville was. Long story.)

She lost fifty percent of the price she’d paid for it. We got $7,000 for a two-bedroom house.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:16:13am

Samantha Bee’s going to hold her own ‘Not The White House Correspondents Dinner’ on same night as real one. I’m expecting it to be glorious. Because the real one is going to be a shit show of Trump anger, scowling, and attacking the media with nonstop harangues about how he’s just misunderstood.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:16:19am

re: #490 Timothy Watson

Dude, a lot of people are going to be losing money, pretty much anyone with a 401(k) or similar, including myself.

Yeah, I forgot the //// tag. Dammit. Prior comment edited.

I can’t say it went over like a lead balloon because Adam and Jamie proved that idiom dead wrong.

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scottslemmons  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:16:35am

re: #485 Myron Falwell

Compare Rogue POTUS to Malik Obama’s Twitter (which has all the unmistakable signs of being a Rage Furby-run account).

Yeah, Furby isn’t subtle. Probably was never very subtle, but he’s got all the sophistication of a tire fire. If he were running the account, he would’ve devolved into “I FOOLED YOU, I FOOLED YOU, I AM A GENIOUS” by the second day.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:17:10am

re: #503 lawhawk

Samantha Bee’s going to hold her own ‘Not The White House Correspondents Dinner’ on same night as real one. I’m expecting it to be glorious. Because the real one is going to be a shit show of Trump anger, scowling, and attacking the media with nonstop harangues about how he’s just misunderstood.

Al Smith dinner with fewer guys in red dresses.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:17:37am

re: #494 Decatur Deb

Your savings are increasing alternately.

IT’S AN ALTERNATIVE BULL MARKET BONANZA!!!

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:18:20am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:18:35am

re: #503 lawhawk

Samantha Bee’s going to hold her own ‘Not The White House Correspondents Dinner’ on same night as real one. I’m expecting it to be glorious. Because the real one is going to be a shit show of Trump anger, scowling, and attacking the media with nonstop harangues about how he’s just misunderstood.

If he and President Bannon last that long, of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:20:01am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:20:12am

re: #502 Anymouse

When we moved to Nebraska, my wife sold the home she bought in Oklahoma at the bottom of the market. (We left for political reasons when Mary Fallin was elected. Money was not the concern, getting out of wingnutville was. Long story.)

She lost fifty percent of the price she’d paid for it. We got $7,000 for a two-bedroom house.

Did you mean $70,000?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:20:13am

re: #507 Dr Lizardo

IT’S AN ALTERNATIVE BULL MARKET BONANZA!!!

The Big Short II: Electric Boogaloo.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:21:25am

re: #503 lawhawk

Samantha Bee’s going to hold her own ‘Not The White House Correspondents Dinner’ on same night as real one. I’m expecting it to be glorious. Because the real one is going to be a shit show of Trump anger, scowling, and attacking the media with nonstop harangues about how he’s just misunderstood.

I cannot believe that there will be a correspondents dinner and, IMHO, any correspondent who attends is cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. Really, what is the point? To sit there and take abuse for several hours?

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:22:49am

re: #241 Anymouse

Signed. Currently 1,346,198 signatures.

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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:23:45am

Apparently, 45 thinks that getting into the US is about as easy as going to Disneyland… yeah, we’ll just go next week:

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:23:55am

re: #495 lawhawk

The 401(k), which doesn’t quite take the place of pensions, and into which most people have no choice but bet their meager savings on the markets. That is if your employer offers it, gives you a company match, etc.

The 401(k), which the GOP thinks is what should replace Social Security. Gambling on granny’s future - even though Social Security is funded by payroll deductions - a dedicated tax. The GOP wouldn’t mind gutting that and claiming that they’re saving Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare solvency all while destroying it.

Lucky for me, I have pension as a lazy government employee (I’m off today) in addition to a 457(b) (similar to a 401(k)) and 401(a) cash match.

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unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:24:02am

re: #437 weave

That’s just ridiculous anyway. So the new regulation incorporates and combines old regulations — if done correctly.

It’ll be used as an excuse to gut things but in reality it can be gotten around for a while if Congress weren’t hell bent on destroying our quality of life.

Never mind — we’re fucked. They’ll use it as an excuse to eliminate much needed regulations claiming they don’t have a choice.

Looks to me like Executive Branch is attempting to paralyse Legislative Branch. It’s a sweeping overreach, pure and simple. Next, he will insist “Of course it does not apply to me.”

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Joe Bacon  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:24:10am

re: #478 Anymouse

And what do the rich do when Mad Max: American edition comes after they run out of supplies in their bomb shelters? They starve. They have no clue how to forage, hunt, fish, or anything else without high technology and lots of money.

I can club a wild turkey in my yard and dress it (and have). I have chickens. No chickens in bomb shelters.

Hmmm! What’s gonna happen to the rich in bomb shelters when they run out of Glenn Beck’s freeze-dried meals?

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makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:24:36am

Someone on FB mention that Trump ridiculed Schumer crying about the ban, saying he was crying ‘fake tears?’

Fuck this guy. What I wish for him would get me banned, so I’ll fight to hold my tongue.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:24:38am

re: #511 Dr Lizardo

Did you mean $70,000?

No. $7,000. We bought our house here (all cash) for $16,000.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:25:29am

re: #513 MsJ

I cannot believe that there will be a correspondents dinner and, IMHO, any correspondent who attends is cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. Really, what is the point? To sit there and take abuse for several hours?

What unfunny RWNJ** would emcee that disaster on ice, anyway? My guess: either Don Imus or Laura Ingraham. Or hell, Alex Jones and Ann Coulter!

**Yes, I know “unfunny RWNJ” is redundant AF.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:25:32am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

I can’t imagine what they’d ask me.

“Why have you been out of the USA since 2001?”
“Why do have a residency visa for China?”
“Why do you have a permanent residency visa for the Czech Republic?”
“Why do you have a work/residency visa for Vietnam?”
“Why do you have entry visas for Turkey, Uganda and Kenya?”

Shit, they’d probably throw my ass right in to Guantanamo Bay!

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makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:26:16am

re: #513 MsJ

I cannot believe that there will be a correspondents dinner and, IMHO, any correspondent who attends is cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. Really, what is the point? To sit there and take abuse for several hours?

And pity the poor ‘journalist’ who gets up and takes the slightest poke at any of these thin-skinned creeps. Trump would never let them be.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:26:23am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:26:49am

re: #513 MsJ

I cannot believe that there will be a correspondents dinner and, IMHO, any correspondent who attends is cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. Really, what is the point? To sit there and take abuse for several hours?

There will be a WH Correspondents dinner, only “approved” WH Correspondents are invited. These are:

Breitbart
Infowars
RT
Drudge
Fox
Hannity
SMOTI
PrisonPlanet
The Intercept (maybe)

ALL OTHERS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED!!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:27:04am

re: #518 Joe Bacon

Hmmm! What’s gonna happen to the rich in bomb shelters when they run out of Glenn Beck’s freeze-dried meals?

They’ll have to venture outside in a vain attempt to forage for food.

And then we’ll eat them.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:29:14am

re: #526 Dr Lizardo

They’ll have to venture outside in a vain attempt to forage for food.

And then we’ll eat them.

Never going to happen. Their heavily-armed security forces will have picked them clean by then.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:30:11am

re: #525 The Vicious Babushka

…and everyone else is invited to Sam Bee’s Rogue Dinner, goes, and has a grand old time.

The dichotomy couldn’t be more stark.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:33:25am

re: #478 Anymouse

And what do the rich do when Mad Max: American edition comes after they run out of supplies in their bomb shelters? They starve. They have no clue how to forage, hunt, fish, or anything else without high technology and lots of money.

I can club a wild turkey in my yard and dress it (and have). I have chickens. No chickens in bomb shelters.

There is a novel, Stark, by Ben Elton

it is about rich people building a Star Ark to carry them off Earth to escape the impending ecological catastrophe.

In the end, they escape, the Earth somehow manages to survive, but the rich folks?

They have no sense of the cooperation and hierarchy needed to survive on a Star Ark and eventually all perish in internecine squabbling and posturing…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:33:29am

Well, looks like Trump’s gonna pull out of the Paris Accords.

A former climate change adviser to Donald Trump has said the US President will pull America out of the landmark Paris agreement and an executive order on the issue could come within “days”.

Myron Ebell, who took charge of Mr Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) transition team, said the President was determined to undo policies pushed by Barack Obama to restrict greenhouse gas emissions.

“I expect Donald Trump to be very assiduous in keeping his promises, despite all of the flack he is going to get from his opponents,” he told a briefing in London.

independent.co.uk

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weave  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:34:57am

Wow… Breitbart isn’t even pretending anymore…

DELINGPOLE: Trump, May And The Return Of The Anglosphere Will Make The World A Better Place

What President Trump definitely gets - and what the Prime Minister is going to get whether she likes it or not because she’s going to be carried along in his slipstream - is that some people’s values are better than other people’s values; and that the best values of all are those not of Continental Europe (which have been tainted by the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck; and philosophers like Rousseau, Hegel and Foucault) but those of the Anglosphere.

So it’s not just “white is superior” but you also have to speak English.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:36:15am

re: #531 weave

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gwangung  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:37:23am

re: #531 weave

Wow… Breitbart isn’t even pretending anymore…

DELINGPOLE: Trump, May And The Return Of The Anglosphere Will Make The World A Better Place

So it’s not just “white is superior” but you also have to speak English.

This is going to encourage the development of Mandarin as a working language and the use of Chinese money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:37:57am

Trump must be aware that if he tries to clear or discuss these new EOs with the people whose job it is to implement them they will start taking steps to impede his plans before they are put into effect.

He is certainly aware that announcing his immigration plans would not have led to a surge of “bad dudes”, but he has provided his surrogates a talking point that they can now use to saturate the airwaves…

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unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:39:19am

re: #531 weave

Wow… Breitbart isn’t even pretending anymore…

DELINGPOLE: Trump, May And The Return Of The Anglosphere Will Make The World A Better Place

So it’s not just “white is superior” but you also have to speak English.

Can outlawing Arabic numerals be next? I’m gonna need some planning time.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:40:03am

re: #533 gwangung

This is going to encourage the development of Mandarin as a working language and the use of Chinese money.

Good business opportunity for anyone who wants to develop an “English As A First Language” high school curriculum.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:40:19am

re: #531 weave

and that the best values of all are those not of Continental Europe (which have been tainted by the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck; and philosophers like Rousseau, Hegel and Foucault) but those of the Anglosphere.

There’s too much drool and derp in here for a Monday morning.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:40:28am

re: #535 unproven innocence

Can outlawing Arabic numerals be next? I’m gonna need some planning time.

Freedom Digits.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:41:03am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:41:40am

re: #522 Dr Lizardo

I can’t imagine what they’d ask me.

“Why have you been out of the USA since 2001?”
“Why do have a residency visa for China?”
“Why do you have a permanent residency visa for the Czech Republic?”
“Why do you have a work/residency visa for Vietnam?”
“Why do you have entry visas for Turkey, Uganda and Kenya?”

Shit, they’d probably throw my ass right in to Guantanamo Bay!

For me (even before this shitshow last year at a land crossing in Montana in 2015):

“Are these drugs on your VA list controlled substances?”
- Yes
“What’s the street value of them?
- (suppressing the urge to say how the hell do I know) “I don’t know, sir.”
“Do you have any concealed or undeclared guns?”
- (suppressing rage stroke coming from Saskatchewan to Montana in a Smart car and why would I smuggle guns from Canada into the USA) “No”
“Why is your car registration 87? Is it a state vehicle and do you have authorisation to take it out of the country?”
- No. It’s a Nebraska Gold Star Family plate; it says so on the plate.
“License and registration please, pull over there.”
- (Wait forty-five minutes while Customs checks my registration in Nebraska)
“Anything to declare?”
- No
(Inspects car by hand)
“Welcome home.”

Gaaa. And that was before this crapfest. Crossing from Sarnia to Port Huron last summer, agent was a veteran.

“Gold Star Family member?”
- Yes.
“May I see your license and registration?”
(Pass documents. License shows “veteran”)
“What branch of the service were you in?”
- Navy
“Thank you for your service, Welcome to Michigan.”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:42:15am

re: #515 KGxvi

Apparently, 45 thinks that getting into the US is about as easy as going to Disneyland… yeah, we’ll just go next week:

Someone needs to have his twitter phone taken away again.

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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:42:22am

re: #535 unproven innocence

Can outlawing Arabic numerals be next? I’m gonna need some planning time.

Can’t use Roman numerals, too… Latin.

Did the Celts have a numbering system?

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:42:22am

re: #456 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t Germany the original cautionary tale that should have insulated us from Trump? Of course, Americans are ignorant of history so we never learn lessons.

History? Americans think Obama was president during Hurricane Katrina. And during the housing meltdown.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:43:22am

re: #529 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a novel, Stark, by Ben Elton

it is about rich people building a Star Ark to carry them off Earth to escape the impending ecological catastrophe.

In the end, they escape, the Earth somehow manages to survive, but the rich folks?

They have no sense of the cooperation and hierarchy needed to survive on a Star Ark and eventually all perish in internecine squabbling and posturing…

Reminds me of the heartwarming moment in 2012 when the extremely powerful opened their hearts at the last minute and allowed the extremely wealthy onto the arks their money had paid for; plus some Chinese workers who actually built the damn things instead of just letting them all drown like they originally planned. In the sequel, I hope the Chinese workers kill all the parasites sitting around giving them orders.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:43:23am

re: #535 unproven innocence

Can outlawing Arabic numerals be next? I’m gonna need some planning time.

Some smartass over here in the Czech Republic engaged in some magnificent trolling; he or she posted anonymously on a chatboard that they had “reliable information” that there was a Ministry of Education plot to introduce Sharia law by stealth by indoctrinating schoolchildren here……..with the use of Arabic numerals.

And a pretty good-sized chunk of the Czech Islamophobes fell for it hook, line and sinker. The outrage was brewing online until someone finally figured out, “Hey…..wait a minute…..”.

LOLOL

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:43:51am

re: #531 weave

Wow… Breitbart isn’t even pretending anymore…

DELINGPOLE: Trump, May And The Return Of The Anglosphere Will Make The World A Better Place

So it’s not just “white is superior” but you also have to speak English.

Conservatives have been arguing “speak Amerikan” all my life. Speaking English is probably beyond them. They can’t even spell correctly.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:45:28am

re: #521 Myron Falwell

What unfunny RWNJ** would emcee that disaster on ice, anyway? My guess: either Don Imus or Laura Ingraham. Or hell, Alex Jones and Ann Coulter!

**Yes, I know “unfunny RWNJ” is redundant AF.

Dennis Miller…after he lost his writers he was about as unfunny a comedian as there ever was.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:46:21am

I wonder what public policy will be enacted in today’s EO. Congress is fast becoming irrelevant.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:46:44am

re: #542 KGxvi

Can’t use Roman numerals, too… Latin.

Did the Celts have a numbering system?

“One dead Roman, Two dead Romans, Many dead Romans…”

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:47:10am

re: #525 The Vicious Babushka

There will be a WH Correspondents dinner, only “approved” WH Correspondents are invited. These are:

Breitbart
Infowars
RT
Drudge
Fox
Hannity
SMOTI
PrisonPlanet
The Intercept (maybe)

ALL OTHERS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED!!!!

Funnily enough, the Intercept has changed its tune. I rolled my eyes at a few of their latest tweets. Same with Bill Kristol. You fuckers made this.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:47:55am

re: #530 Dr Lizardo

Well, looks like Trump’s gonna pull out of the Paris Accords.

independent.co.uk

Surprising no one. Expect Gov. Jerry Brown to respond accordingly (as he threatened in that climate change conference address last month).

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:48:09am

re: #529 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a novel, Stark, by Ben Elton

it is about rich people building a Star Ark to carry them off Earth to escape the impending ecological catastrophe.

In the end, they escape, the Earth somehow manages to survive, but the rich folks?

They have no sense of the cooperation and hierarchy needed to survive on a Star Ark and eventually all perish in internecine squabbling and posturing…

Wasn’t that a Matt Damon movie…what was it called. Elysion! (or something like that).

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:48:42am

re: #543 MsJ

History? Americans think Obama was president during Hurricane Katrina. And during the housing meltdown.

And probably caused the Great Depression. Magic ni-CLANG time machine.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:49:54am

re: #548 Sir John Barron

I wonder what public policy will be enacted in today’s EO. Congress is fast becoming irrelevant.

If I could get through to my craven Republican representative, I would tell him that. Sir, this fast-moving coup has made you irrelevant. You might as well come home.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:49:59am

re: #539 MsJ

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unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:50:24am

re: #542 KGxvi

Can’t use Roman numerals, too… Latin.

Did the Celts have a numbering system?

Don’t know. I researched my name once, and learned that Donald is Celtic for Ruler of the World. Now, if you will excuse me, I think need to have a good long cry.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:50:33am

re: #552 MsJ

Wasn’t that a Matt Damon movie…what was it called. Elysion! (or something like that).

Not really. Elysium was about the rich living in their awesome space station with medical tech that could cure just about anything, and the poor scraping along down on earth. The wealthy still needed the poor to do the grunt work though.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:50:41am

re: #544 Big Beautiful Door

Reminds me of the heartwarming moment in 2012 when the extremely powerful opened their hearts at the last minute and allowed the extremely wealthy onto the arks their money had paid for; plus some Chinese workers who actually built the damn things instead of just letting them all drown like they originally planned. In the sequel, I hope the Chinese workers kill all the parasites sitting around giving them orders.

[Opening scene - camera tracks down a long Chinese buffet]

[Random fellow, average looking guy, walks up to Chinese worker]

RANDOM FELLOW: Hey, you know, when I got on board I could swear there were, like, a bunch of really famous people here. Politicians, world leaders, some celebrities….where the hell are they? I haven’t seen them for a few weeks now.

CHINESE WORKER: [picks teeth with small bone, smiles]

[Fade - opening credits]

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Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:51:14am

If only Paul Conrad were still with us.

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BeachDem  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:51:59am

re: #466 Timothy Watson

Maybe she can find a “polite” way to mention the military service of pretty much every male family member.

Maybe she can be busy that day…washing her hair or something.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:52:05am

I am looking at state government job announcements. The Virginia Department of Taxation wants someone these skills:

Skill working within the interactive communications environment including web content management and monitoring/posting within social media; experience with Drupal preferred

[…]

Bachelor’s degree in information technology, mass communications, Web development, business or related field of study from an accredited college or university. Prior work experience as a webmaster or in graphics, web design/development, computer science, communications, or related field. Proven ability to design, build, and/or support the creation of web pages using a variety of graphics software applications and tools such as HTML, XHTML, HTML-5, CSS, ASP, PHP, SharePoint, JavaScript, and VISIO.

Why the hell are they running both ASP and PHP at the same time?

And save yourself a search, their website is abysmal.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:52:10am

re: #557 Belafon

Not really. Elysium was about the rich living in their awesome space station with medical tech that could cure just about anything, and the poor scraping along down on earth. The wealthy still needed the poor to do the grunt work though.

Close enough. :-D

563
lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:53:46am

re: #561 Timothy Watson

On purpose. They make everything available online, but impossible to locate. That’s the taxpayer’s problem, not theirs. /

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:54:29am

re: #537 Sir John Barron

and that the best values of all are those not of Continental Europe (which have been tainted by the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck; and philosophers like Rousseau, Hegel and Foucault) but those of the Anglosphere.

That also struck me as; what the fuck does that even mean?

Some sort of esoteric historical/philosophical cherrypicking?

“We have the best values. Our values are so valuable, they make the rest of the world look worthless. Losers!”

565
The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:54:43am

The shitshow continues:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:55:27am

Who is keeping track of the number of EO’s issued in the lst 10 days compared with the EO’s issued by all previous POTUS

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:58:03am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:59:01am

re: #546 Anymouse

Conservatives have been arguing “speak Amerikan” all my life. Speaking English is probably beyond them. They can’t even spell correctly.

In a Yahoo Q&A section (I occasionally answer questions in the Religion and in Politics sections), I gave a long answer on a question asking why someone would choose to be an atheist. The grammar and spelling was correct, and some of the words were longer than three syllables.

The questioner shot back in a comment: You write like you’re gay. Homosexuals are going to hell.

(I wasn’t aware there is a “gay” writing style)

“I’ll be sure to inform my wife that I’m gay. I imagine she’d be really surprised by that.”

[Checking desktop copy of Chicago Manual of Style, XV Edition]

Nope, no “gay” writing style.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:59:05am

re: #566 The Vicious Babushka

Wiki’s got the list - and he’s currently running at a rate of 640 per year.

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 8:59:42am

re: #259 Anymouse

The Parliament lost a case in the UK’s Supreme Court trying to avoid parliament debate on the Brexit vote.

ITYM “The Government lost a case…”

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jaunte  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:00:33am

re: #546 Anymouse

Conservatives have been arguing “speak Amerikan” all my life. Speaking English is probably beyond them. They can’t even spell correctly.

A woman caller from Oklahoma on CSPAN this morning was pleased to announce Trump was protecting the country from foreigners with “eel wheel.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:01:00am

re: #568 Anymouse

You must have encountered this guy:

Idiocracy: Your Shit’s All Retarded (long version)

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:01:56am

re: #563 lawhawk

On purpose. They make everything available online, but impossible to locate. That’s the taxpayer’s problem, not theirs. /

If they actually manage to find anyone with those skills, the person probably quits in a week after seeing the mess they’ve inherited.

And it’s not just the Department of Taxation, a lot of the state agencies have awful websites and post absurd job openings wanting a dozen different skills that no single person has, so the job gets marked “Open Until Filled” and never gets filled.

And that’s not even getting into the crappy pay…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:03:52am

re: #573 Timothy Watson

If they actually manage to find anyone with those skills, the person probably quits in a week after seeing the mess they’ve inherited.

And it’s not just the Department of Taxation, a lot of the state agencies have awful websites and post absurd job openings wanting a dozen different skills that no single person has, so the job gets marked “Open Until Filled” and never gets filled.

And that’s not even getting into the crappy pay…

They have an H1B in Bangladesh lined up for that job.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:04:10am

re: #560 BeachDem

Maybe she can be busy that day…washing her hair or something.

LOL. Trump? Care about military service?

I like military members who didn’t need saving in WW2.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:04:33am

Y’all just realized he admitted this is a ban…

Imagine how his supporters would react if Obama (or even the next Dem president) signed an EO banning the sale of guns for 120 days. It’s only “temporary”.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:06:00am

re: #571 jaunte

A woman caller from Oklahoma on CSPAN this morning was pleased to announce Trump was protecting the country from foreigners with “eel wheel.”

Praise the lord I no longer live in Oklahoma. The only thing that kept me sane after moving there to meet and eventually marry my wife, was my wife.

What the hell is “eel wheel?”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:06:22am

re: #576 GlutenFreeJesus

Holy shit, I don’t know how that slipped past me. Trump straight up said in that Tweet that it was, in fact, a “ban”, contradicting what he’s been saying.

Fucking hell, he spews so much bullshit and in such vast quantities, he can’t keep anything straight.

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jaunte  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:07:05am

re: #577 Anymouse

She was trying to say “ill will.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:07:58am

re: #574 The Vicious Babushka

They have an H1B in Bangladesh lined up for that job.

One state agency I used to work for won’t sponsor H1Bs.

They currently have 10 IT openings posted, all of them are “open until filled”, one of them originally posted a year and a half ago.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:08:11am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:09:48am

“Today I am ordering a total and complete shutdown of all gun sales, stores, and ranges, until such time as we figure out what is going on. This order is being issued to to protect the more than 30,000 Americans a year who are killed by guns. Thank you.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:11:05am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:11:08am

re: #570 John Hughes

ITYM “The Government lost a case…”

Thank you for the correction. I knew that, but did not write my comment correctly. My fingers apparently are ahead of my brain. I will find a nun with a ruler to correct them.

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Alephnaught  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:11:55am

re: #531 weave

Wow… Breitbart isn’t even pretending anymore…

DELINGPOLE: Trump, May And The Return Of The Anglosphere Will Make The World A Better Place

What President Trump definitely gets - and what the Prime Minister is going to get whether she likes it or not because she’s going to be carried along in his slipstream - is that some people’s values are better than other people’s values; and that the best values of all are those not of Continental Europe (which have been tainted by the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck; and philosophers like Rousseau, Hegel and Foucault) but those of the Anglosphere.

So it’s not just “white is superior” but you also have to speak English.

Notice the one name not mentioned in the roll-call of people who have “tainted” Continental Europe. (Clue: his surname begins with an “H”.)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:12:49am

re: #581 The Vicious Babushka

I guess the courts have abdicated to Trump. It’s well within their writ to send in the US Marshals to enforce court orders against the CBP and if the CBP refuses to comply, then the US Marshals have the authority to arrest the CBP agents.

But….nada. So, like I said, I guess Trump’s officially a dictator now. The courts aren’t doing anything to stop him.

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:12:51am

So my letter to the editor of the local newspaper has been accepted.

And I received a reply from the NYTimes Ombudsman to my calling them nothing but a propaganda outlet saying that my email had been forwarded to all their editors.

It is, to be sure, interesting times.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:13:51am

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

I guess the courts have abdicated to Trump. It’s well within their writ to send in the US Marshals to enforce court orders against the CBP and if the CBP refuses to comply, then the US Marshals have the authority to arrest the CBP agents.

But….nada. So, like I said, I guess Trump’s officially a dictator now. The courts aren’t doing anything to stop him.

Marshals work for the Department of Justice…

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scottslemmons  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:13:58am

Not entirely sure I’m buying this, as it seems a bit more gloom-and-doom than may be warranted, but here’s an essay considering whether what we’ve seen so far is a trail balloon for a coup and final takeover.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:13:59am

re: #581 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

That was yesterday. Is O’Hare a shitstorm today? (My mother is at work so I don’t know if she is playing music or protesting with her anti-Trump button and her Gold Star Family pin on her turban.)

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:04am

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

I guess the courts have abdicated to Trump. It’s well within their writ to send in the US Marshals to enforce court orders against the CBP and if the CBP refuses to comply, then the US Marshals have the authority to arrest the CBP agents.

But….nada. So, like I said, I guess Trump’s officially a dictator now. The courts aren’t doing anything to stop him.

The judge on Saturday explicitly gave the Marshals the right to enforce the law. Guess which branch controls the Federal Marshals?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:16am

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The_Burren  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:29am
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danarchy  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:30am

re: #520 Anymouse

No. $7,000. We bought our house here (all cash) for $16,000.

You could probably rent a parking spot in Boston for a year for that…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:30am

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

I guess the courts have abdicated to Trump. It’s well within their writ to send in the US Marshals to enforce court orders against the CBP and if the CBP refuses to comply, then the US Marshals have the authority to arrest the CBP agents.

But….nada. So, like I said, I guess Trump’s officially a dictator now. The courts aren’t doing anything to stop him.

Well the Administration reversed its position and said it would allow Green Card holders back into the country.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:14:43am

re: #585 Alephnaught

Notice the one name not mentioned in the roll-call of people who have “tainted” Continental Europe. (Clue: his surname begins with an “H”.)

Hitler didn’t speak English? /s

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(alpuz)  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:15:20am

re: #587 William Lewis

Is the local paper the Leader-Telegram? If so, that should be interesting.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:15:44am

re: #584 Anymouse

Thank you for the correction. I knew that, but did not write my comment correctly. My fingers apparently are ahead of my brain. I will find a nun with a ruler to correct them.

It is not likely a nun will be available. Wife just joked to our 70 year old friend that we are starting a legal defense fund to bail her out. The Sanctuary Cities EO was cited above—it has penalties for assisting ‘aliens’. Her congregation has a history.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:15:48am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:15:59am

re: #595 Big Beautiful Door

Well the Administration reversed its position and said it would allow Green Card holders back into the country.

But the Administration won’t provide any evidence that they are actually doing that.

Listen to the WAMU link I posted, they currently have a lawyer on there that is helping detainees.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:16:08am

re: #588 Timothy Watson

True and Trump could’ve told them to stand down and not enforce the court order.

Then it’s official - Trump is now the law of the land. His writ is mandate, his every whim an order.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:16:54am

re: #601 Dr Lizardo

True and Trump could’ve told them to stand down and not enforce the court order.

Then it’s official - Trump is now the law of the land. His writ is mandate, his every whim an order.

You think putting up the portrait of Andrew Jackson wasn’t intentional?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:17:12am

Ford is not one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:17:28am

re: #589 scottslemmons

Not entirely sure I’m buying this, as it seems a bit more gloom-and-doom than may be warranted, but here’s an essay considering whether what we’ve seen so far is a trail balloon for a coup and final takeover.

Yea, I really don’t want this site becoming a mirror image of wingnut sites in which people endlessly speculate about coups and martial law. Reality is bad enough; let’s focus on that.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:17:57am

re: #594 danarchy

You could probably rent a parking spot in Boston for a year for that…

Disabled veteran pay for an E-6 is not very high. It is one reason you find so many veterans in the Great Plains: It is cheap to live here.

Living here modestly, we can afford a foreign vacation every year from my saved money and my wife’s library wages.

(Cue Republicans: Veterans are making too much on disability. Disability pay is only supposed to pay for cat food in bulk at the Commissary.)

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BeachDem  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:18:07am

Kellyanne Conway, a top adviser to Donald Trump, on Monday said that the president’s first week in office was nothing short of “breathtaking.”

rawstory.com

Yeah, Kellyanne, it certainly took my breath away, but not in a good way.

The screen grab with this story looks like Kellyanne’s face is actually melting away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:19:00am

re: #595 Big Beautiful Door

Well the Administration reversed its position and said it would allow Green Card holders back into the country.

Because they were in such a rush to get the EO out to forestall all the Bad Dudes looming at our borders that they did not bother thinking those sorts of details through?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:19:39am

re: #598 Decatur Deb

It is not likely a nun will be available. Wife just joked to our 70 year old friend that we are starting a legal defense fund to bail her out. The Sanctuary Cities EO was cited above—it has penalties for assisting ‘aliens’. Her congregation has a history.

Oooh, let’s see the administration jail nuns for doing God’s work. That ought to fly well with the majority of non-wingnut Christians. (And every other faith in the nation as well.)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:19:43am

re: #520 Anymouse

No. $7,000. We bought our house here (all cash) for $16,000.

Is that a pretty typical purchase price there?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #582 GlutenFreeJesus

P.S. I inflated the number of deaths per year on purpose as to be as accurate a Trumpista as possible.

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retired cynic  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:20:02am

This may have been posted (from Venezuela, “Don’t make the same mistakes we did in fighting Chavez”), I’m not sure, but I found it very helpful.

washingtonpost.com

It seems like I’m doing everything wrong on this list, and we need to find the ways to do things right.

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:20:22am

re: #597 (alpuz)

Is the local paper the Leader-Telegram? If so, that should be interesting.

No, I’m further north now. Duluth News Tribune which was reliably conservative but has been striking a fairly Anti-Trump stand.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:20:52am

re: #607 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they were in such a rush to get the EO out to forestall all the Bad Dudes looming at our borders that they did not bother thinking those sorts of details through?

Actually they specifically considered it and Bannon reversed DHS’s recommendation to let Green Card Holders back into the country. I guess they reconsidered after court orders made it clear that was illegal.

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(alpuz)  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:21:23am

re: #612 William Lewis

Ahhh. Good on you.

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wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:21:45am
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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:21:54am

re: #566 The Vicious Babushka

Who is keeping track of the number of EO’s issued in the lst 10 days compared with the EO’s issued by all previous POTUS

There’s something else rather foul that 45 is doing… a lot of these Executive Orders are actually entitled Executive Memorandums. I have a degree in political science, I have a law degree, and have spent far too many hours studying government, policy, constitutional law, and history relating to those things and I can’t think of any other examples of Executive Memorandums. My gut is telling me that some hack (wannabe) lawyer came up with this idea as some way of providing cover. It is something else worth watching.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:23:02am

re: #608 Anymouse

Oooh, let’s see the administration jail nuns for doing God’s work. That ought to fly well with the majority of non-wingnut Christians. (And every other faith in the nation as well.)

Her motherhouse is in the jurisdiction of the judge who sent an 89 aged nun up the river for a 6 mo for trespassing at a School of the Americas protest. He’s the same guy who released 2LT Calley.

soaw.org

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Tigger2  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:25:13am

re: #603 The Vicious Babushka

Ford is not one.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:25:32am

re: #603 The Vicious Babushka

Ford is not one.

Which is sad, because all of them speaking their minds would neuter Trump. Some CEO’s need to watch A Bug’s Life.

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Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:25:50am

re: #427 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Things are so out of whack, Bill Kristol is making a lot of sense. No, seriously:

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He’ll flip back if Trump ever does one non-crazy thing.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:26:09am

re: #609 Sir John Barron

Is that a pretty typical purchase price there?

Our house needed a bit of work, and it had been on the market for two years when my wife discovered it on the Internet. The owner was a very elderly woman living in a convalescent home who just wanted to sell it - her husband died a couple years before. She’d been screwed over by her first realtor, she was on her second.

She was selling it for that price (it was reduced a couple times from the original asking price). We didn’t dicker and paid what she asked.

Since then, we’ve had the house painted, repaired the roof and the plumbing, updated the 1940’s electric service.

Most houses here in town sell for less than $40,000 when they come up on the market. For those that are for rent, the rent is usually around $200 a month.

Insurance payments are pretty low. Internet or satellite television are astronomical. Food prices are very inexpensive (something something farm state).

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jaunte  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:26:15am

“….CNN has a detailed story (heavily sourced) about the process by which this ban was created and announced. Notable in this is that the DHS’ lawyers objected to the order, specifically its exclusion of green card holders, as illegal, and also pressed for there to be a grace period so that people currently out of the country wouldn’t be stranded — and they were personally overruled by Bannon and Stephen Miller. Also notable is that career DHS staff, up to and including the head of Customs & Border Patrol, were kept entirely out of the loop until the order was signed.
…………….
Note also the most frightening escalation last night was that the DHS made it fairly clear that they did not feel bound to obey any court orders. CBP continued to deny all access to counsel, detain people, and deport them in direct contravention to the court’s order, citing “upper management,” and the DHS made a formal (but confusing) statement that they would continue to follow the President’s orders. (See my updates from yesterday, and the various links there, for details) Significant in today’s updates is any lack of suggestion that the courts’ authority played a role in the decision.

That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

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William Lewis  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:26:18am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:27:30am

re: #591 Belafon

The judge on Saturday explicitly gave the Marshals the right to enforce the law. Guess which branch controls the Federal Marshals?

Judge Donnelly wrote that knowing 1) it wouldn’t be implemented and 2) it challenges the DOJ’s authority over the Marshalls.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:28:26am

He’s gonna need a bigger hat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:28:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:29:34am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:29:44am

re: #625 A wild WITHAK appeared!

[Embedded content]

He’s gonna need a bigger hat

Will the glorified jail guard do his job and make sure inmates aren’t starving to death in his jail?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:30:06am

re: #619 Belafon

Which is sad, because all of them speaking their minds would neuter Trump. Some CEO’s need to watch A Bug’s Life.

Trump can crash a company’s stock in seconds with one swipe of his stubby Tweet finger.

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makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:30:26am

re: #594 danarchy

You could probably rent a parking spot in Boston for a year for that…

Or a storage unit (a small one) on LI.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:31:12am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:32:07am

re: #612 William Lewis

No, I’m further north now. Duluth News Tribune which was reliably conservative but has been striking a fairly Anti-Trump stand.

My regional paper (the Scottsbluff Star Herald) is trying to ignore the shitstorm.

They are running a lot of local news like “Torrington Wyoming rancher buys 3,000 head of cattle.”

During the primaries, the publisher sent out an E-mail to subscribers that have Internet service with a question “are we leaning too liberal? We’ve been getting complaints about too much negative coverage of Donald Trump in articles and political cartoons.”

I went on blast writing back. “You see what Mr. Trump is doing with the press at his rallies? Katy Tur of NBC needed Secret Service protection to get back to her car at one? Do you think your newspaper will be safe in a Trump Administration? If anything, the paper would have to be the Weekly Standard to be any more conservative, and you endorsed Donald Trump when he entered the race.”

Unsurprisingly, I didn’t get a response. They still run my letters though: Tough to get a liberal opinion in the letters column.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:32:59am

I LOL’d. Watch it to the end.

i.imgur.com

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scottslemmons  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:33:39am

re: #604 Big Beautiful Door

Yea, I really don’t want this site becoming a mirror image of wingnut sites in which people endlessly speculate about coups and martial law. Reality is bad enough; let’s focus on that.

I just can’t see Trump ever being able to get away with much. He’s despised by the vast majority of the country, and all his strongman tactics that are supposed to make everyone cower before him are just making the protests bigger.

He’s dangerous, and he’ll do vast damage, but I can’t see him sticking it out for long.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:33:49am

re: #625 A wild WITHAK appeared!

He’s gonna need a bigger hat

Isn’t this the guy who wanted to overthrow our Constitutionally elected president just last Summer?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:33:54am
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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:34:16am

re: #624 Myron Falwell

Judge Donnelly wrote that knowing 1) it wouldn’t be implemented and 2) it challenges the DOJ’s authority over the Marshalls.

Judge Donnelly has given Congress all it needs for impeachment, if the political will can be marshaled (no pun intended). If the Administration is flatly ignoring a valid court order, then 45 has violated his oath of office because his administration has been found in violation of the Due Process Clause and is continuing to act in violation of the constitution.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:34:42am

re: #625 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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He’s gonna need a bigger hat

Sheriff Clarke? See Gold Star Family member Khzir Kahn. He has a pocket Constitution as well, and he’s read it.

The ACLU sells them too, and they can also explain the big words for you.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:34:53am

re: #625 A wild WITHAK appeared!

He’s gonna need a bigger hat

Clarke has to be pissed AF that all these protests are nonviolent and almost entirely peaceful.

I love it.

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Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:35:01am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

I have a retirement account but I am not a Plutocrat.

Me either. Knowing that Trump is going to destroy my retirement account is no joke to me. Then he and the GOP assholes will crash the housing market by eliminating the deduction for property taxes.

These fuckers are following the Bannon plan to a ‘T’.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:35:57am

re: #637 KGxvi

Judge Donnelly has given Congress all it needs for impeachment, if the political will can be marshaled (no pun intended). If the Administration is flatly ignoring a valid court order, then 45 has violated his oath of office because his administration has been found in violation of the Due Process Clause and is continuing to act in violation of the constitution.

“We are complying with the stay. Alternative Shit is just happening.”

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jaunte  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:36:18am

re: #639 Myron Falwell

Clarke has to be pissed AF that all these protests are nonviolent and almost entirely peaceful.

I love it.

After his clownish challenge for someone, anyone, at the Women’s March to fight him.

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wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:37:46am

re: #617 Decatur Deb

Her motherhouse is in the jurisdiction of the judge who sent a 90+ aged nun up the river for a year for trespassing at a School of the Americas protest. He’s the same guy who released 2LT Calley.

Nuns are sooo dangerous! Especially those old ones!

Both my two immigration lawyer friends work for separate Catholic charities in the same city.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:38:39am

re: #619 Belafon

Which is sad, because all of them speaking their minds would neuter Trump. Some CEO’s need to watch A Bug’s Life.

And if they all speak out now, it’s not like he can kill them all. The market is already disrupted. He cannot hurt them all.

(Market right now: Dow -0.81%, Nasdaq -0.91%, S&P -0.83%)

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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:38:53am

re: #641 Decatur Deb

“We are complying with the stay. Alternative Shit is just happening.”

As I said, last night, impeachment is as much political as it is legal (see Clinton, Bill; impeachment of). He can spin all the fuck he wants to, if enough Republicans in the House and Senate decide that he’s too much of a liability, they have more than enough grounds to remove him - it’s not like the Democrats won’t jump at the chance to vote for impeachment and removal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:39:11am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:40:58am

re: #646 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn. So now Trump’s gonna blow it with the Israelis too?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:41:12am

re: #637 KGxvi

Judge Donnelly has given Congress all it needs for impeachment, if the political will can be marshaled (no pun intended). If the Administration is flatly ignoring a valid court order, then 45 has violated his oath of office because his administration has been found in violation of the Due Process Clause and is continuing to act in violation of the constitution.

I still want to see the GOP bring the impeachment bill in the House. They broke it, they bought it.

If they impeach, their wingnut base will turn against them. Good-bye House in 2018 when they all sit out the election.

If they don’t, they can be shown to be craven cowards for endorsing this madman by the Dems in 2018 (little tougher to take the House then but not impossible).

Moreover, they want to take everyone’s health insurance, privatise the VA, fiddle with Social Security and Medicare. Those people are mostly their sane base.

They jumped off the dock with their nihilistic agenda, if they ask for a hand up, the Democrats should hand them an anchor.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:43:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:43:30am
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garzooma  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:44:26am

re: #640 Skip Intro

Me either. Knowing that Trump is going to destroy my retirement account is no joke to me. Then he and the GOP assholes will crash the housing market by eliminating the deduction for property taxes.

Not sure he’d do anything more than bluster about this. Notice how he STFU after the Mexican president told him to go f**k himself, rather than start a trade war. He seems to back down with people who can fight back.

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Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:44:32am

re: #498 Anymouse

The DOW is plummeting:

thestockmarketwatch.com

Only three companies gaining, all less than 1%.

Another HUUUUGE success for TRUMP!!

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:44:37am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

Standard tactics in any visa war — it’s how France got on to the visa waiver program, by threatening to insist on visas from Americans visiting Paris.

Of course, helps to have a country people want or need to visit…

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:44:48am

re: #640 Skip Intro

Me either. Knowing that Trump is going to destroy my retirement account is no joke to me. Then he and the GOP assholes will crash the housing market by eliminating the deduction for property taxes.

These fuckers are following the Bannon plan to a ‘T’.

I don’t have a retirement account of any sort, though I do have savings.

My wife had a substantial pension plan from Digital Equipment. When HP acquired the company via acquisition of Compaq, they spun off the pension plan to a commercial bank IRA setup, which started running it into the ground as fast as they could.

My wife pulled her pension and we put it into an IRA in our local agricultural bank in the next town with 64 people. That bank is a heck of a lot more stable than the big nationwide bank that frittered away half her IRA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:45:06am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:45:28am

re: #650 Backwoods_Sleuth

So wait, he’s saying he kept information for national security reasons from agencies responsible for, you know, NATIONAL SECURITY???

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:45:29am

Fascinating the UK discussion. Listen to it.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:46:13am

re: #646 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump sprung this EO on everyone. This was done with malice aforethought. Leaving all the key people out of the decision making process shows intent to ignore it. They were going to ram through this Muslim ban, and this is likely the template for all future EOs.

Government by diktat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:46:41am

re: #652 Skip Intro

Another HUUUUGE success for TRUMP!!

I wonder if all his billionaire buddies will appreciate him tanking the stock market…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:47:53am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:48:57am

re: #653 John Hughes

Standard tactics in any visa war — it’s how France got on to the visa waiver program, by threatening to insist on visas from Americans visiting Paris.

Of course, helps to have a country people want or need to visit…

I never know where to put the “h” in “pariah nation”.

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Skip Intro  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:49:30am

re: #500 Hecuba’s daughter

What does Trump care about the market? Does he own any equities? And isn’t he getting a 19% stake in Rosneft?

He tells his “blind trust” what he’s going to do and they do the rest. Of course, having Kushner as an “advisor”, he doesn’t even have to do that. Kushner can just tell his wife.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:49:50am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:49:56am

re: #656 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait, he’s saying he kept information for national security reasons from agencies responsible for, you know, NATIONAL SECURITY???

They don’t even lie well. They don’t even lie badly. They don’t even coordinate their talking points. They are already falling apart defending indefensible actions and pulling in to the bunker.

Hey House GOP, your party is going down the drain. You going to save yourselves or continue with this suicide pact you made with Trump?

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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:50:15am

re: #656 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait, he’s saying he kept information for national security reasons from agencies responsible for, you know, NATIONAL SECURITY???

Because lawyers in those departments and agencies would have said “no, this is unconstitutional, you can’t do this.” Trump is the worst kind of legal client - the type that will either listen to you explain that he can’t do something and then do it anyway; or just do whatever he wants, and waits to call until the law suit is filed.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:50:40am

Oh, ouch. UK dude says that the ban doesn’t include any of the countries that have had citizens who attacked America. Policy is ineffective.

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TedStriker  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:50:55am

re: #660 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:51:00am
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makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:51:32am

re: #660 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She certainly knows the procedure for eviscerating a troll.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:51:44am

re: #665 KGxvi

Because lawyers in those departments and agencies would have said “no, this is unconstitutional, you can’t do this.” Trump is the worst kind of legal client - the type that will either listen to you explain that he can’t do something and then do it anyway; or just do whatever he wants, and waits to call until the law suit is filed.

I can only imagine that Trump would be any lawyer’s client from hell.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:51:52am

re: #657 MsJ

This video is autoplaying and I have no way of pausing it. Chrome on Windows.

EDIT: Figured out how to pause (right-click, which didn’t work initially) but autoplay is still bad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:51:54am

re: #659 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if all his billionaire buddies will appreciate him tanking the stock market…

HURR HURR OBAMAS FAULT!!!1!!!!

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Interesting Times  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:52:58am

re: #611 retired cynic

This may have been posted (from Venezuela, “Don’t make the same mistakes we did in fighting Chavez”), I’m not sure, but I found it very helpful.

washingtonpost.com

It seems like I’m doing everything wrong on this list, and we need to find the ways to do things right.

This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if Bernie Sanders (or a younger Dem with less oppo-research material saying the same things and running a similar campaign) would’ve won after all :/

Attempting to force Trump out, rather than digging in to fight his agenda, would just distract the public from whatever failed policies the administration is making. In Venezuela, the opposition focused on trying to reject the dictator by any means possible — when we should have just kept pointing out how badly Chávez’s rule was hurting the very people he claimed to be serving.

Bernie did this when he painted trump as just another member of the one percent and advocate for failed GOP policies, and studies show a message like that did much better with key groups as opposed to a character attack alone.

Again, I’m certainly not saying Sanders was perfect or a guaranteed win, but it behooves Dems now to at the very least study why he had crossover appeal to the demographics who were either un-enthused about or outright hated HRC. Dismissing those crossovers as racists seems to be ignoring the very advice the author gives:

The problem, remember, is not the message but the messenger. It’s not that Trump supporters are too stupid to see right from wrong, it’s that you’re more valuable to them as an enemy than as a compatriot. Your challenge is to prove that you belong in the same tribe as them — that you are American in exactly the same way they are.

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KGxvi  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:53:16am

re: #663 Scottish Dragon

When you start losing guys who got their start at Cato and Reason… well, yeah.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:53:21am

re: #671 A wild WITHAK appeared!

This video is autoplaying and I have no way of pausing it. Chrome on Windows.

I put it in Private tags, refresh your page. Is it still autoplaying? I will remove the link if it is.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:53:22am

re: #671 A wild WITHAK appeared!

This video is autoplaying and I have no way of pausing it. Chrome on Windows.

Hit the CNN block at bottom left, and it will offer a pause button.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:53:23am

re: #657 MsJ

Fascinating the UK discussion. Listen to it.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:53:33am

re: #665 KGxvi

Because lawyers in those departments and agencies would have said “no, this is unconstitutional, you can’t do this.” Trump is the worst kind of legal client - the type that will either listen to you explain that he can’t do something and then do it anyway; or just do whatever he wants, and waits to call until the law suit is filed.

This explains why Trump was so litigious and sued so frequently. He acts without counsel and guidance - and even when counseled, he goes ahead and does what he wants anyways, consequences be damned.

That’s just one of the reasons one of his lawyers required having a 2-man rule to make sure more than one person in the room heard what their client said. No one trusted him to remember any of this - not even his lawyers.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:54:00am

re: #672 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR OBAMAS FAULT!!!1!!!!

Wingnuts might think that, but the wealthy know better. They know who is busy wiping out their wealth by the minute on the NYSE.

I suspect it won’t be too much longer (if it isn’t happening already) that they tell the GOP “do something to contain or oust this guy, or your campaign donations are gone.”

It would appear that David and Charles Koch already told them that.

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BeachDem  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:54:05am

And here’s what the Trumpers are concerned about if he visits the royal family (well, Charles, anyway—not even considering how the yam used to stalk Diana, who was thoroughly creeped out by him)
A senior government source familiar with the discussions said: “Trump’s people are worried about an awkward moment, with Charles saying ‘Why don’t you believe in climate change?’ or ‘Have you read my book?’ They will react quite strongly to that.

“They do not want the president to be put in an awkward position where he’s being lectured. They want horses down the Mall, tea with William and Kate. They want all that pomp and for it to go seamlessly, and one of the risk factors is Charles.

From the Times of London via
wonkette.com

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:54:14am

re: #675 MsJ

Seems good now, thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:54:21am
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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:54:23am

The link has been removed. Refresh your page if you are still hearing it.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:56:06am

Old Don Trump had a plan
E-I-E-I-O
We’ll take your rights here
We’ll ban Muslims over there
E-I-E-I-O
With a EO EO here
And an EO EO there
Here a EO, there a EO
Everywhere a EO EO
Old Don Trump had a plan

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:56:23am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:56:50am

re: #674 KGxvi

When you start losing guys who got their start at Cato and Reason… well, yeah.

Balko pretty much dedicates his time to investigating police brutality and authoritarianism.

He may well have glibitarian views on economics, but his work on police malfeasance has been fantastic.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:57:52am

re: #680 BeachDem

And here’s what the Trumpers are concerned about if he visits the royal family (well, Charles, anyway—not even considering how the yam used to stalk Diana, who was thoroughly creeped out by him)
A senior government source familiar with the discussions said: “Trump’s people are worried about an awkward moment, with Charles saying ‘Why don’t you believe in climate change?’ or ‘Have you read my book?’ They will react quite strongly to that.

“They do not want the president to be put in an awkward position where he’s being lectured. They want horses down the Mall, tea with William and Kate. They want all that pomp and for it to go seamlessly, and one of the risk factors is Charles.

From the Times of London via
wonkette.com

Words fail.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:58:26am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:58:37am

They’re not saying which one, the guy with the French-sounding name or the guy with the Muslim-sounding name.

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garzooma  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:59:15am

re: #665 KGxvi

Trump is the worst kind of legal client - the type that will either listen to you explain that he can’t do something and then do it anyway; or just do whatever he wants, and waits to call until the law suit is filed.

You forgot that he then doesn’t pay you.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:59:26am

re: #668 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great. A highly discriminatory law loaded with exceptions that will only add to the confusion.

//

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 9:59:59am

re: #540 Anymouse

“I don’t know, sir.”

I cannot imagine addressing a policeman as “sir”. In the both countries where I have lived (UK, France) they call you sir.

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:00:04am

re: #685 MsJ

We’re already past that. Rudy gave away the game already. He admits it was a ban.

TRUMP says it is a ban in his own tweet. All the caterwauling from his spokespeople ignores the essential fact - it’s a Muslim ban that was enacted to stop Muslims.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:00:20am

Trump had to keep this EO hidden from the people who were gonna be stuck implementing it because he knew they would already start taking steps to undermine it as soon as they found out.

But this EO is much like the Wall: practically ineffective, it is first and foremost a symbolic gesture to demonstrate our national will to remain pure and untainted…

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:01:43am

re: #695 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump had to keep this EO hidden from the people who were gonna be stuck implementing it because he knew they would already start taking steps to undermine it as soon as they found out.

But this EO is much like the Wall: practically ineffective, it is first and foremost a symbolic gesture to demonstrate our national will to remain pure and untainted…

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural… fluids.

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:03:32am

re: #544 Big Beautiful Door

In the sequel, I hope the Chinese workers kill all the parasites sitting around giving them orders.

Well, since the arks sail to the last surviving continent, Africa, I wonder what kind of welcome the rich and powerful are expecting when they arrive?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:03:42am

Caterpillar now the biggest loser on the DOW, down more than 2%. Nearly every company declining.

Way to make American industry great again, Donald.

On the S&P 100, Chesapeake Energy is down 6%. American Airlines nearly as much. So much winning. Ninety companies are down, ten are barely up.

On the NASDAQ some companies are down nearly fifty percent.

Yah, you suck at this enterprise thing, Mr. Trump. I’m betting the CEOs of these companies are planning their own Night of the Long Knives, and the GOP is going to be in the crosshairs.

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BeachDem  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:04:29am

re: #686 Scottish Dragon

Balko pretty much dedicates his time to investigating police brutality and authoritarianism.

He may well have glibitarian views on economics, but his work on police malfeasance has been fantastic.

It absolutely has. I wish his reporting after Ferguson on the travesties in the courts etc. had received wider notice.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:04:47am

re: #694 lawhawk

We’re already past that. Rudy gave away the game already. He admits it was a ban.

TRUMP says it is a ban in his own tweet. All the caterwauling from his spokespeople ignores the essential fact - it’s a Muslim ban that was enacted to stop Muslims.

Agreed. But that tweet makes King the new McCarthy if it comes out. He is a sitting member of congress.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:05:15am

re: #698 Anymouse

Caterpillar now the biggest loser on the DOW, down more than 2%. Nearly every company declining.

Way to make American industry great again, Donald.

On the S&P 100, Chesapeake Energy is down 6%. American Airlines nearly as much. So much winning. Ninety companies are down, ten are barely up.

On the NASDAQ some companies are down nearly fifty percent.

Yah, you suck at this enterprise thing, Mr. Trump. I’m betting the CEOs of these companies are planning their own Night of the Long Knives, and the GOP is going to be in the crosshairs.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:05:58am

re: #697 John Hughes

Well, since the arks sail to the last surviving continent, Africa, I wonder what kind of welcome the rich and powerful are expecting when they arrive?

After having troops from multiple nations for a long, long time raping Africa of its resources; minerals, oil, diamonds, etc., I am thinking not too kindly.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:03am

re: #694 lawhawk

We’re already past that. Rudy gave away the game already. He admits it was a ban.

TRUMP says it is a ban in his own tweet. All the caterwauling from his spokespeople ignores the essential fact - it’s a Muslim ban that was enacted to stop Muslims.

Lawyer Jonathan Turley was on Morning Joe to give us the Dudebro explanation that no reasonable court could possibly interpret the ban as an actual ban and that the lawsuits were dead in the water already…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:13am

re: #687 scottslemmons

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Can Clarke just do us all a favor now and admit that he doesn’t think protests should be allowed. You’re a fascist Sheriff Clarke. Plain and simple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:18am

FFS

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) defended Donald Trump’s ban on travel from certain majority-Muslim nations, while refusing to answer questions on the executive order’s reported author.

The Republican lawmaker appeared Monday morning on CNN Newsroom, where host Carol Costello pressed him to address concerns that the order was written by Steve Bannon, the chief strategist for President Donald Trump and former chief executive of the “platform for the alt-right” Breitbart News.

“Does that concern you that Steve Bannon was advising the president, and he didn’t reach out to lawmakers like you? Costello asked. “You’re on the foreign relations committee.”

snip

The GOP congressman, who is Lebanese-American, disputed Costello’s characterization of the order’s implementation as “chaotic,” saying that was simply her opinion and that only a few travelers were detained.

“Carol, I don’t want to argue, but you’re conflating what happens every day with to people of this color,” Issa said, pointing to his own cheek, “every day at the airport — and has been happening for 16 years. When you take these anecdotal examples, that’s what you’re doing. The numbers are relatively small, I think Americans like myself who have been stopped — even as a congressman — (for) secondary (screening) or even refused to be boarded on an airplane once, this sort of thing happens.”

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:32am

re: #692 Sir John Barron

Great. A highly discriminatory law loaded with exceptions that will only add to the confusion.

//

Not a law. Executive order. One that had substantial parts overturned by Federal courts that the administration are ignoring.

The Congress has abdicated its role to write laws. Too many of them stuck to Trump’s shoe like gum.

If we get past this, I don’t see a way the GOP survives, though rumours of their demise were premature before.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:47am

Who would have thought civil unrest and travel bans wouldn’t be good for business?

///

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:06:57am

re: #698 Anymouse

I’m betting the CEOs of these companies are planning their own Night of the Long Knives, and the GOP is going to be in the crosshairs.

Let’s hope so. Apparently only money talks. It is those people who will have to save us from ourselves.

Fuuuuuuu…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:07:12am

re: #705 Backwoods_Sleuth

FFS

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Gah fuck Issa.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:07:48am

re: #703 Scottish Dragon

Lawyer Jonathan Turley was on Morning Joe to give us the Dudebro explanation that no reasonable court could possibly interpret the ban as an actual ban and that the lawsuits were dead in the water already…

WTF happened to Turley?

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:08:56am

re: #700 MsJ

Agreed. But that tweet makes King the new McCarthy if it comes out. He is a sitting member of congress.

Good. I want that bigot that wants me deported out. Mike Lee in the Senate can join him, since the two seem to be joined at the hip for Nuremberg Laws, the American Edition.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:09:05am

Well I did my part today. Bought some Jose Cuervo.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:09:41am

re: #700 MsJ

Agreed. But that tweet makes King the new McCarthy if it comes out. He is a sitting member of congress.

King is certainly unhinged enough that it is plausible.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:11:14am

re: #708 MsJ

Let’s hope so. Apparently only money talks. It is those people who will have to save us from ourselves.

Fuuuuuuu…

As FDR said, the business of America is business.

Business has always had a large influence over government policy. Trump is a whole frigate full of loose cannons, and unstable governance is bad for business.

How do you attract foreign investors if they might be banned at the airport when they come to visit? If a punitive tariff is imposed on their products to trade?

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lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:11:25am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:12:28am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

Well I did my part today. Bought some Jose Cuervo.

I’m still going through the rye I bought just before the general store closed. Rye in Diet Vernors, breakfast of champions.

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John Hughes  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:12:43am

re: #584 Anymouse

There is no nit I will not pick. Please don’t take offence.

(By the magic rules of the Internet there will be at least one horrible grammatical or speeling error in this post).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:13:16am

re: #716 Anymouse

I’m still going through the rye I bought just before the general store closed. Rye in Diet Vernors, breakfast of champions.

Ran outta Irish whiskey on Saturday.

719
allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:13:23am

re: #663 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

Being a little silver haired woman has given me the power to do the following with blustering men:

(said with a big smile) “Oh aren’t you just too precious! I just want to pinch your cute little cheek, darlin’”

Renders them entirely impotent and makes them seeth. Heh.

720
Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:13:30am

re: #710 MsJ

WTF happened to Turley?

Turley went dudebro during the Obamacare lawsuits.

721
Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:13:31am

re: #698 Anymouse

We probably should also pay attention to what companies are tied to the DAPL fiasco. If the energy sector is getting annihilated, that would have to mean those companies are, too.

722
jaunte  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:14:09am

re: #703 Scottish Dragon

Lawyer Jonathan Turley was on Morning Joe to give us the Dudebro explanation that no reasonable court could possibly interpret the ban as an actual ban and that the lawsuits were dead in the water already…

Joe was also pushing the “Obama did it with these 7 countries too” bullshit talking point.

723
Jenner7  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:14:13am

My Senator, Lee, was also busy. I tried again though and got through.

724
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:14:32am

Trump: “I noticed Chuck Schumer yesterday with fake tears” over immigration ban/refugees; “I’m gonna ask him who is his acting coach”

725
HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:15:50am

re: #724 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Trump lost family in the war too. They were killed by partisans.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:15:52am

re: #705 Backwoods_Sleuth

FFS

[Embedded content]

snip

I am so fucking embarrassed that this used car huckster has roots in Northeast Ohio.

727
MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:16:34am

re: #720 Scottish Dragon

Turley went dudebro during the Obamacare lawsuits.

What was he for? Medicare for all or nothing or…?

728
Stanley Sea  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:16:44am

LGF prominent in article

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:16:56am

re: #715 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

First they came for the Muslims and we said “Not this time.”

I served with Muslims in the Navy (one was a Syrian refugee as a child in the 1967 Arab-Israeli conflict: He was from the Golan Heights and came as a child).

I never saw anything from my Muslim shipmates other than mutual respect and mutual duty to country.

To hell with those anti-military fascists; if the GOP doesn’t disavow this shitshow they can go with them.

There is a reason most of the veterans that have served in Congress in recent times have been Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:17:18am
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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:17:43am

re: #718 HappyWarrior

Ran outta Irish whiskey on Saturday.

That’s terrible. Did your low alcohol light come on yet?

732
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:18:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:18:55am

re: #730 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Poor Donald, not.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:19:12am

re: #731 Anymouse

That’s terrible. Did your low alcohol light come on yet?

I managed.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:19:24am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

Well I did my part today. Bought some Jose Cuervo.

[HedleyLamarrVoice]I hope you brought enough for everybody![/HedleyLamarrVoice]

736
HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:19:58am

re: #735 Dr Lizardo

[HedleyLamarrVoice]I hope you brought enough for everybody![/HedleyLamarrVoice]

Uh sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:21:58am

betting he said this with a straight face:

738
lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:22:20am

re: #725 HappyWarrior

Kushner’s family had members murdered by the Nazis. Jared’s grandma knows.

I know that there’s a lot of people in Bergen County pissed off at Jared right now. He’s working with actual neo Nazis in implementing a policy that just a few generations ago would have kept Kushner’s own family out - and did for many other Jews.

Swap out Jew for Muslim and it’s the same exact chapter and verse the neo Nazis are using now that they were using back then to keep Jews out before WWII.

739
MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:22:37am

re: #735 Dr Lizardo

[HedleyLamarrVoice]I hope you brought enough for everybody![/HedleyLamarrVoice]

You do a delightful Hedy Lamarr (who was AWESOME, btw).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:23:08am
741
HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:23:44am

re: #738 lawhawk

Kushner’s family had members murdered by the Nazis. Jared’s grandma knows.

I know that there’s a lot of people in Bergen County pissed off at Jared right now. He’s working with actual neo Nazis in implementing a policy that just a few generations ago would have kept Kushner’s own family out - and did for many other Jews.

Swap out Jew for Muslim and it’s the same exact chapter and verse the neo Nazis are using now that they were using back then to keep Jews out before WWII.

Stephen Miller is Jewish too and I imagine had family that died. It’s really sad to see that. Part of why I’m honestly so sympathetic towards immigratns is because a lot of mine weren’t treated the best.

742
HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:24:04am

re: #739 MsJ

You do a delightful Hedy Lamarr (who was AWESOME, btw).

That’s Hedley.

743
Interesting Times  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:24:10am

re: #626 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Hill ✔ @thehill

#BREAKING: Schumer: I will vote against all top Trump Cabinet picks hill.cm

A lot of people were discouraged by earlier Dem votes to confirm nominees (e.g. Elizabeth Warren greenlighting Dr. Sleepy Ben Carson), but I wonder if those moves might have had some good PR effects after all - it basically allows them to say, look, we tried acting in good faith and “giving trump a chance”, but now that he’s gone all coup-trial-balloon on our ass, all bets are off.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:24:28am

I still want a taco truck on every corner.

I am mightily pissed at some 78,000 voters in three states that denied us taco trucks.

Who votes against taco trucks? They’re American as apple pie.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:24:28am

re: #740 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

As usual, they’re afraid of the base of bigots they created. Tough shit.

746
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:24:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:25:02am

re: #744 Anymouse

I still want a taco truck on every corner.

I am mightily pissed at some 78,000 voters in three states that denied us taco trucks.

Who votes against taco trucks? They’re American as apple pie.

Only haters hate taco trucks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:25:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:27:09am

LOLWUT When you’re rich you can do anything

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BeachDem  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:27:24am

re: #740 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

New rule: If “senior administration officials” are going to spew their crap on conference calls with reporters, those officials should be named—every fucking time.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:28:40am

Wheee! I have all my students happily working on the Pythagorean Theorem right now…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:28:54am

re: #749 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT When you’re rich you can do anything

[Embedded content]

Its good to be the King, or at least a prince with a billion petro-dollars!

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:30:44am

re: #742 HappyWarrior

That’s Hedley.

Who is Hedley Lamarr?

754
HappyWarrior  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:31:38am

re: #753 MsJ

Who is Hedley Lamarr?

You never saw Blazing Saddles?

755
TedStriker  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:31:56am

re: #753 MsJ

Who is Hedley Lamarr?

Harvey Korman’s character in Blazing Saddles

756
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:32:01am

re: #753 MsJ

Who is Hedley Lamarr?

Character from Blazing Saddles.

757
wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:32:43am

re: #751 Scottish Dragon

Wheee! I have all my students happily working on the Pythagorean Theorem right now…

That made me want to yell out ‘hypotenuse’, but I had to look it up for spelling, and to be sure there was a relationship to that theorem.

758
MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:33:02am

re: #754 HappyWarrior
re: #755 TedStriker
re: #756 Eclectic Cyborg

Ah. Years and years ago. I do not recall most dialog. My Bad!

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TedStriker  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:33:12am

re: #758 MsJ

Ah. Years and years ago. I do not recall most dialog. My Bad!

Blazing Saddles (3/10) Movie CLIP - Harrumphing with the Governor (1974) HD

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:33:28am

re: #740 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that is the only way we’re going to change them. They have to lose. It’s high time that non-voters get off their ass when it comes time to vote, and the vote on issues, not on party. Price’s old seat is a good place to start.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:34:25am

Had a lot of trouble disconnecting this weekend. A lot. Which is not good for a variety of reasons.

Anyway, back.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:34:52am

re: #749 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT When you’re rich you can do anything

[Embedded content]

Cheap bastard. Probably puts his wives in Economy class, too.

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MsJ  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:35:06am

re: #759 TedStriker

OMG, so funny! How do I not remember that?

764
Sherlock Hound  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:36:03am

My mayor is considering making our city a sanctuary:
bostonglobe.com

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Jay C  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:36:42am

“They do not want the president to be put in an awkward position where he’s being lectured. They want horses down the Mall, tea with William and Kate. They want all that pomp and for it to go seamlessly, and one of the risk factors is Charles.

Amazing: it’s taken the election of Donald Trump to finally create a useful role for Prince Charles…….

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:37:01am

re: #730 Backwoods_Sleuth

When even Matt Drudge is starting to lose it. And I’m not even talking about typical RWNJ bullshit. That has the feeling of an outright nervous breakdown.

767
unproven innocence  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:38:07am

re: #721 Myron Falwell

We probably should also pay attention to what companies are tied to the DAPL fiasco. If the energy sector is getting annihilated, that would have to mean those companies are, too.

From the Jackson portrait in the Oval, we have a hint that it maybe will not be the energy sector.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:38:20am
769
lockjawcanbefun  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:38:40am

re: #690 The Vicious Babushka

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allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:39:10am

re: #749 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT When you’re rich you can do anything

[Embedded content]

Gonna be a stinky jet by the time it lands. As meat eaters hawk poop is… fowl foul.

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Jay C  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:39:17am

Maybe Spicer ought to actually read the New York Times once in a while: they usually print their corrections and clarifications on Page 2: easy enough to count them.

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Belafon  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:39:32am

A comment for all of the evangelicals in the US: See all of the protesters trying to help the green card holders and refugees, and all of those donating to the ACLU and other orgs: All of those could have aligned against you, and if it weren’t for the constitutional protections for minorities that all of those people cherish, you would have been squashed like a bug. Think about that while you’re willing to go after a smaller minority.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:40:37am

re: #767 unproven innocence

From the Jackson portrait in the Oval, we have a hint that it maybe will not be the energy sector.

He’s trying to rape both the First Nations and the energy sector. I have no doubt about that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:41:56am

re: #768 Backwoods_Sleuth

So that makes the 2nd mass murder carried out by a French Canadian since 1989. Can we call them all terrorists now?

775
lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:42:03am
776
Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:42:48am

re: #768 Backwoods_Sleuth

What? Fox “News” is lying to their viewers outright just to fit a debunked political narrative?

Surprised, shocked, etc.

777
Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:43:51am

re: #760 Belafon

And that is the only way we’re going to change them. They have to lose. It’s high time that non-voters get off their ass when it comes time to vote, and the vote on issues, not on party. Price’s old seat is a good place to start.

Every political party needs to learn that if a party panders to a bigot racist base, they will lose.

That is the lesson that needs to come out of this. Send the George Wallace wannabes back into the political wilderness where they belong.

This isn’t about liberal or conservative. This is about standing up for the ideals of the Constitution, “in order to form a more perfect union” and that “government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from this earth.”

778
Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:45:15am

re: #770 allegro

Gonna be a stinky jet by the time it lands. As meat eaters hawk poop is… fowl foul.

Meh, he can afford to have it cleaned.

779
wrenchwench  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:46:19am

re: #778 Dr Lizardo

Meh, he can afford to have it cleaned.

And those hawks have never flown so high, so fast!

780
Franklin  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:46:47am

Few weeks old, but a nice picture from the Women’s (sister) March in Boston:

That’s Bobby Kennedy’s great-grand-daughter.

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:47:34am

re: #772 Belafon

A comment for all of the evangelicals in the US: See all of the protesters trying to help the green card holders and refugees, and all of those donating to the ACLU and other orgs: All of those could have aligned against you, and if it weren’t for the constitutional protections for minorities that all of those people cherish, you would have been squashed like a bug. Think about that while you’re willing to go after a smaller minority.

Back during the founding of the Bill of Rights, it was the Danbury Baptists in Connecticut who argued strenuously for a wall of separation between Church and State.

In their day, the Baptists were jailed, exiled, fined, and even killed for their faith by Congregationalist-controlled colonial governments.

They forget their history, and a turn in the future could see them in that position again.

Freedom of (and from) religion is absolute, or it is not freedom.

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Alephnaught  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:47:36am

re: #627 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Demonstrations in Glasgow as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:47:44am

re: #780 Franklin

Few weeks old, but a nice picture from the Women’s (sister) March in Boston:

[Embedded content]

That’s Bobby Kennedy’s great-grand-daughter.

Is she vaccinated?

784
makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:48:06am

re: #757 wrenchwench

That made me want to yell out ‘hypotenuse’, but I had to look it up for spelling, and to be sure there was a relationship to that theorem.

Aww, hell, yell out ‘hypotenuse’ anyway. It’s a underused word and it needs a little love.

785
Timothy Watson  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:48:53am

re: #769 lockjawcanbefun

What could possibly be Quebec terrorist Alexandre Bissonnette’s motive for killing Muslims…?

Video games, of course.

(Vault 111 is a reference to the video game Fallout 4.)

786
lockjawcanbefun  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:49:24am

STIK TO BASSKETBLL sayeth the wingnut

787
Franklin  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:50:01am

re: #783 The Vicious Babushka

Is she vaccinated?

I hope so. That’s Joe Kennedy’s grand daughter (Joe Kennedy III’s daughter). Hopefully they don’t listed to crazy uncle Bobby.

788
Franklin  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:50:50am

re: #787 Franklin

I hope so. That’s Joe Kennedy’s grand daughter (Joe Kennedy III’s daughter). Hopefully they don’t listed to crazy uncle Bobby.

That originally had a typo “crazy uncle Booby”. Should have left it.

789
makeitstop  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:51:43am

re: #775 lawhawk

George H.W. Bush released from hospital

Good, now he can get to work assembling a team of former CIA to go to work on the fascists infesting his former residence.

/wishful thinking

790
Franklin  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:52:38am

re: #775 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

All that to avoid the inauguration. That’s dedication. //

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Puss Power  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:55:51am

re: #329 KingKenrod

Since they didn’t “rush” into the country over the last 8 years, maybe our current system works well and these “bad dudes” are a figment.

[Embedded content]

Also too:

BadDudes(TM). Need. Visas. to enter the country.

Visas cannot be gotten in a week.

792
Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:56:16am

Diplomats from the USA in foreign postings draft a “dissent memo” against the Muslim ban.
huffingtonpost.com

Scores of American diplomats stationed across the globe have drafted a formal “dissent memo” to register their objections to President Donald Trump’s ban on Syrian refugees and travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries.

The draft memo, obtained by ABC News, represents the most significant opposition thus far from within the Trump administration to the president’s controversial executive order.

“This ban … will not achieve its stated aim of to protect [sic] the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States,” wrote the diplomats. “It will immediately sour relations with these six countries, as well as much of the Muslim world, which sees the ban as religiously motivated.”

More at Huffington Post. Ten days in and the administration is in a tailspin. They cannot control what is happening outside their little fascist bubble.

I thought that their were too many amateurs in the administration to control what was going on.

Okay GOP Congress. Our own are telling you this is counterproductive. Still wanna stay in that suicide pact with Trump or are Amendment XXV or Impeachment starting to look like the only way to save your party?

793
Stanley Sea  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:56:20am
794
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:59:07am

re: #782 Alephnaught

Demonstrations in Glasgow as well.

[Embedded content]

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Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 10:59:38am
does he know that shooter was white Christian, born in quebec, who supported trump?

That doesn’t fit the talking points. Does not compute. See Marco Rubio for software upgrade.

796
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:00:17am
797
lawhawk  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:00:58am

It’ll get kinda uncomfortable if it turns out that the claims that the shooter was inspired by Trump and the neo Nazi/white supremacist/Islamophobes as is appearing to be more and more likely.

798
allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:01:06am

OT… Bought the entire DVD set of The Hollow Crown. Watched Richard II, Henry IV (pts 1 & 2) and Henry V over the weekend. Fixing to watch The Wars of the Roses: Henry VI (pts 1 & 2) and Richard III.

Cannot recommend too highly. Production and performances are all superb, most especially Tom Hiddleston (Henry V aka Loki) who blew me away from his first scene. He is freaking brilliant (so is Jeremy Irons, of course, but I expected that cuz he always is). Ben Wishaw (Richard II) is likewise fabulous. Really looking forward Benedict Cumberbatch’s Richard III.

799
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:01:41am
800
Jay C  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:03:08am

re: #781 Anymouse

Back during the founding of the Bill of Rights, it was the Danbury Baptists in Connecticut who argued strenuously for a wall of separation between Church and State.

In their day, the Baptists were jailed, exiled, fined, and even killed for their faith by Congregationalist-controlled colonial governments.

They forget their history, and a turn in the future could see them in that position again.

Freedom of (and from) religion is absolute, or it is not freedom.

Yeah, well good luck with trying to remind them - the problem most politically-minded “evangelicals” in this country seem to have with the “separation of church and state” is that they think it’s a really bad idea, and ought, as a principle, be replaced by a more “Godly” form of government: i.e. a quasi-theocracy run as a “Herrenvolk Democracy”. With themselves as the permanently-ensconced “Herren”

801
Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:03:58am
802
Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:04:14am

re: #798 allegro

If you haven’t seen it already, check out Ian McKellen’s Richard III.

imdb.com

803
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:05:33am

re: #797 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

It’ll get kinda uncomfortable if it turns out that the claims that the shooter was inspired by Trump and the neo Nazi/white supremacist/Islamophobes as is appearing to be more and more likely.

“…and offered to provide any assistance as needed.”
What kind of assistance can he offer? He has nothing of meaningful value by any measure to offer.

804
allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:05:59am

re: #802 Dr Lizardo

If you haven’t seen it already, check out Ian McKellen’s Richard III.

imdb.com

I’ve seen that. Loved it! (I’m a sucker for Shakespeare.)

805
Anymouse  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:06:55am

re: #800 Jay C

Yeah, well good luck with trying to remind them - the problem most politically-minded “evangelicals” in this country seem to have with the “separation of church and state” is that they think it’s a really bad idea, and ought, as a principle, be replaced by a more “Godly” form of government: i.e. a quasi-theocracy run as a “Herrenvolk Democracy”. With themselves as the permanently-ensconced “Herren”

Orson Scott Card noted in Secular Humanist Revival (a talk he gave acting as if he was an evangelical preacher) that when religious groups are small, they cry out for the protection of the government from the predations of other faiths, and the government itself.

But when they become powerful, they no longer want equal rights: They want perfection.

Throughout history, in every religious group, this has been the case.

The Soviet Union in its various constitutions recognised freedom of religion. They weren’t free to worship as they liked because of the law; they weren’t free because of the presence of soldiers in the churches.

806
Dr Lizardo  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:07:15am

re: #804 allegro

I’ve seen that. Loved it! (I’m a sucker for Shakespeare.)

Yeah, a hell of a great adaptation. Fascinating idea of giving it a 1930s Fascist motif.

807
allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:09:55am

re: #806 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, a hell of a great adaptation. Fascinating idea of giving it a 1930s Fascist motif.

Should watch that one again. Seems more timely than ever now. :/

808
electrotek  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:14:53am

Edit.

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Alephnaught  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:16:46am

re: #794 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I’ve seen this at football matches as well. BTW this wouldn’t be the only light source. Apart from the streetlights, the floodlights at the top of the Concert Hall were also on.

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sagehen  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:17:57am

re: #461 Anymouse

Regrettably, Queen Elizabeth II is much too polite for that.

Trump doesn’t deserve to be within ten thousand yards of her. This will be one helluva massive ego stroke for him, and the craven Conservatives in the UK Parliament are enabling him.

Why do I get the impression that conservatives are similar in their cravenness regardless of the country?

She recently had the flu and had to cancel a couple of days of appearances; it could happen again.

811
allegro  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:22:05am

re: #810 sagehen

She recently had the flu and had to cancel a couple of days of appearances; it could happen again.

I’d rather see her show up… in a suit of armor.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:26:34am

re: #792 Anymouse

Diplomats from the USA in foreign postings draft a “dissent memo” against the Muslim ban.
huffingtonpost.com?

More at Huffington Post. Ten days in and the administration is in a tailspin. They cannot control what is happening outside their little fascist bubble.

I thought that their were too many amateurs in the administration to control what was going on.

Okay GOP Congress. Our own are telling you this is counterproductive. Still wanna stay in that suicide pact with Trump or are Amendment XXV or Impeachment starting to look like the only way to save your party?

Well, let’s look at the rumor from Rogue POTUS again. Again, YMMV on if it’s legit.

It’s plausible. Steve King is connected with Rudy and Trump. Rudy said unironically that this EO by Trump was indeed a Muslim ban. King’s also heavily xenophobic and a flaming everything else.

I think any GOP legistor with any semblance of self-awareness at this shitshow is too afraid to act, thus, they fall into mental paralysis. Not a surprise. Plus, they’d have to turn on one of their own, as King will own the EO (and do so proudly, he’s that disconnected from reality).

Even if the GOP were to rise up and force Trump out, their nutjob whackadoo base will turn on them in MAGAguard fashion.

If they don’t, the populace will force their hand as these protests and demonstrations increase in size and volume. Then the plutocrats (Koch, etc.) start pulling their money from the party. Companies get empowered to defy Trump’s bullying and speak out against him vociferously.

The GOP has entered the whirlpool vortex regardless if they resort to mutiny or going down with the ship. Either way, it’s a lose-lose.

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gocart mozart  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:50:46am

The Fucking News liked my tweet, finally some good fucking news.

814
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 30, 2017 • 11:51:35am

re: #813 gocart mozart

That’s how evolution works…

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 30, 2017 • 12:45:01pm

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

The Tweetragegasm has begun

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Yep Donny, they apply for sanctuary and 2 days later are in the country.


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Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
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