Elizabeth Warren: We Must Oppose the Nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court

“We don’t need another justice who spends his time looking out for those with money and influence.”
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Today the media seems to be in a full court press to convince Americans that Donald Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch, is a great pick and everyone should be happy that Trump actually selected someone who isn’t an extremist.

Uh… wait a minute, folks. This narrative couldn’t be more wrong. Gorsuch is hostile to women’s reproductive rights, and is opposed by NARAL. And Elizabeth Warren has a statement on her Facebook page with more on why liberals should definitely not support Gorsuch.

President Trump had the chance to select a consensus nominee to the Supreme Court. To the surprise of absolutely nobody, he failed that test.

Instead, he carried out his public promise to select a nominee from a list drawn up by far right activist groups that were financed by big business interests.

Judge Neil Gorsuch has been on this list for four months. His public record, which I have reviewed in detail, paints a clear picture.

Before even joining the bench, he advocated to make it easier for public companies to defraud investors. As a judge, he has twisted himself into a pretzel to make sure the rules favor giant companies over workers and individual Americans. He has sided with employers who deny wages, improperly fire workers, or retaliate against whistleblowers for misconduct. He has ruled against workers in all manner of discrimination cases. And he has demonstrated hostility toward women’s access to basic health care.

For years, powerful interests have executed a full-scale assault on the integrity of our federal judiciary, trying to turn the Supreme Court into one more rigged game that works only for the rich and the powerful. They spent millions to keep this seat open, and Judge Gorsuch is their reward.

Every day, our new President finds more ways to demonstrate his hostility for our independent judiciary, our civil society, and the rule of law. Now more than ever, America needs Supreme Court justices with a proven record of standing up for the rights of all Americans – civil rights, women’s rights, LGBT rights, and all other protections guaranteed by our laws. We don’t need another justice who spends his time looking out for those with money and influence.

Based on the long and well-established record of Judge Gorsuch, I will oppose his nomination.

Bottom line: Gorsuch is a stalking horse for the religious right.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:49:27am
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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:52:19am
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electrotek  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:53:05am

Is it still wrong to laugh about the Syrian Orthodox Christian family that had their family members sent back to Syria even though they voted for Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:53:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:54:13am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Always a whiner.

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allegro  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:55:36am

re: #3 electrotek

Is it still wrong to laugh about the Syrian Orthodox Christian family that had their family members sent back to Syria even though they voted for Trump?

YMMV but I don’t find misfortune for most anyone funny. Excludes Spencer getting punched. He deserved that.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:55:43am

re: #1 Belafon

If they don’t allow “hell no”, I’m guessing “fuck no” wouldn’t be acceptable either?

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petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:55:56am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Always a whiner.

Man, I’m getting sick of whining, just like he said I would.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:56:35am

re: #8 petesh

Man, I’m getting sick of whining, just like he said I would.

Hah!

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Franklin  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:56:46am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

To be fair, MLK was fond of talking about Senator Goldwater President Trump.

The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism…On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater President Trump represents a philosophy that is morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist (citation needed), Mr. Goldwater President Trump articulates a philosophy which gives aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I have no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater President Trump and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that does not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater President Trump and his philosophy.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 10:57:06am
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b.d.  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:03:32am

There should be no Supreme Court Justice nominee named until a POTUS gets an approval rating of 50% or more.

The will of the people and all…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:03:33am

Hearing on teh twitters that the Peace Corps is looking like it will be axed entirely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:04:33am

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

Hearing on teh twitters that the Peace Corps is looking like it will be axed entirely.

Wow. :(

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petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:04:38am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I’m so ancient I remember that the Trump boys were going to run the business and leave the governing to dad.

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gocart mozart  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:06:16am

re: #15 petesh

I’m so old I remember when Republicans thought all Executive Orders were tyrannical.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:06:17am
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I cannot.  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:06:38am

Poking around an ex-Lizardim’s Twitter feed…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:07:10am

Me during the election campaign, addressing my 3rd party protest vote pals: Uh, you know if Trump wins, he’s going to go after Roe v. Wade and the 1st Amendment, right?

Them: EMAILS! GOLDMAN SACHS! REVOLUTION!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:08:07am

Collins has already said she’ll vote no.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:08:09am

re: #17 jaunte

I’m so old that I remember that the US would stand up for its allies and friends against Russian aggression and tyranny.

Today? Putin’s puppets in the White House can’t be bothered to even issue a statement about the situation.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:08:37am

Can’t be too careful, say Republicans. You just can’t set a lower age limit for terrorists.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:09:51am

You can bet the whips will be out there trying to get enough votes to carry the day. That’s what whips do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:10:15am

re: #18 I cannot.

Poking around an ex-Lizardim’s Twitter feed…

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DF’s a GOP hack. He never denied it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:10:36am

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Collins has already said she’ll vote no.

Awesome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:11:14am

Thread.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:11:23am

From the previous thread:

re: #568 wrenchwench

Just sent another guy to the ATM because all he had was plastic. We’ll see whether this one comes back.

Your business needs to be here, where no one takes credit or debit cards. Everything is cash.

We need more liberals as well. Come on in, the Electoral Votes are fine. We even have a beach. /s

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:12:07am
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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:12:28am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:12:45am

re: #28 jaunte

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So that’s 49-50?

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I cannot.  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:13:09am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I know. But I intend on poking him occasionally until they either take me to the camps, or they accidentally nuke Indianapolis when they were aiming for the ni*CLANG* in Chicago

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:14:11am

re: #31 I cannot.

I know. But I intend on poking him occasionally until they either take me to the camps, or they accidentally nuke Indianapolis when they were aiming for the ni*CLANG* in Chicago

Oh by all means, DF deserves it. I lost whatever respect I might have had for him when I found out he was very nasty on a personal level to a lizard who lost a child in Iraq.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:16:13am

What was being discussed referred to Gorsuch right? I honestly don’t know what kind of person Gorsuch is personally but DF and his party don’t deserve a Supreme Court justice of their choice after the way they lied to deny Garland his hearing. As already said, Gorsuch is a respected judge, give him the same respect that Judge Garland got.

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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:16:47am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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I asked my Dad if he was concerned about Trump. He said no because he prays to God for guidance. I replied “What makes you think he’s a Christian? Why can’t he be lying about that? Obama said he was a Christian too. Why didn’t you believe him then?”

“Because he’s a Muslim, and Muslim’s are told to deceive us.”

Arrrggh….

So — anyway — basically looks like God gave Trump some really bad advice on how to execute this Muslim ban.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:17:08am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

So that’s 49-50?

At the moment, it is 50-50 (assuming she votes no and not just doesn’t vote) which would mean Pence could tie-break. One more is needed.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:17:55am

These are the fuckers that Trump’s been courting for years. This is Bannon’s orbit. That’s why the Holocaust statement by Bannon/Trump/White House was so fucking repugnant. It’s exactly what the Nazis want.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:18:16am

re: #28 jaunte

That’s a surprise

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:19:14am

re: #37 Sir John Barron

Maybe some small glimmering that destroying public education might lead to chaos.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:19:26am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

At the moment, it is 50-50 (assuming she votes no and not just doesn’t vote) which would mean Pence could tie-break. One more is needed.

Gotcha.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:19:59am

re: #36 lawhawk

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These are the fuckers that Trump’s been courting for years. This is Bannon’s orbit. That’s why the Holocaust statement by Bannon/Trump/White House was so fucking repugnant. It’s exactly what the Nazis want.

Anyone still doubting this little asshole needed to be decked?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:21:02am

re: #34 weave

I asked my Dad if he was concerned about Trump. He said no because he prays to God for guidance. I replied “What makes you think he’s a Christian? Why can’t he be lying about that? Obama said he was a Christian too. Why didn’t you believe him then?”

“Because he’s a Muslim, and Muslim’s are told to deceive us.”

Arrrggh….

So — anyway — basically looks like God gave Trump some really bad advice on how to execute this Muslim ban.

Sigh, I know you love your Dad but this is the kind of shit we’re dealing with.

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I cannot.  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:21:55am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure.

This calls for more experimentation to verify previous results…

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:22:06am
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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:22:58am

re: #34 weave

The Muslim Obama loved his wife and children.
The Christian Trump cheated on his wife, divorced twice, and made one wife pose nude.

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Interesting Times  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:23:04am

re: #38 jaunte

Maybe some small glimmering that destroying public education might lead to chaos.

Betsy DeVos is an utterly horrible choice, no doubt about it. Nonetheless, it still leaves me a little uneasy that the only cabinet pick who stands a realistic chance at defeat (thanks to GOP defections) is the one who happens to be female. Would Collins/Murkowski have the nerve to vote against an equally unqualified GOP man?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:23:33am

My two wingnut senators and their staff are refusing to answer phone calls.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:24:03am

re: #2 jaunte

“These are the only organizations worthy of mention. Period.”

/

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:24:13am

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

My two wingnut senators and their staff are refusing to answer phone calls.

Send them faxes or letters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:24:33am

re: #42 I cannot.

I’m not sure.

This calls for more experimentation to verify previous results…

I got a good left hook that I’ve been meaning to use.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #43 Anymouse

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Sigh.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:25:16am

re: #43 Anymouse

Trump national security adviser Mike Flynn statement: “As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.”

How about Russia, which has actually attacked us, in the form of campaign hacking?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:25:54am

re: #51 Sir John Barron

How about Russia, which has actually attacked us, in the form of campaign hacking?

Flynn put them on notice and by put them on notice, he means, he’s buying his Russian counter-part the first drink.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:26:00am

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

My two wingnut senators and their staff are refusing to answer phone calls.

Are the callers are out of state agitators paid by George Soros.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:26:27am
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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:26:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:26:58am

Just got a large manila envelope in the mail from the White House.

I opened it with much trepidation figuring the “Do Not Bend” warning meant it was most likely a photo of you-know-who (OTOH, I need a new dartboard).

*blink*

It’s a thank you letter to me from Barack Obama.
He thanked me for the letters I wrote to him over the past eight years, and encourages us all with this:

So our collective future depends on our collective willingness to uphold our duties as citizens: to vote, to speak out, and to stand up for others knowing that each of us is only here because somebody, somewhere, stood up for us. And for the rest of my days, I promise I will be right there alongside you, continuing to do my part to build a better, more prosperous, more diverse and inclusive America — an America with a future full of hope.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:27:01am

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

My two wingnut senators and their staff are refusing to answer phone calls.

Mine won’t either. Turns out Ben Sasse is party before country too.

That notice above from Flynn? Butthurt over Obama in it. Gaaaa.

I’m already tired of the whinging, just like Trump said I would be. (No one treat that remark to Mr. Trump. We don’t need to upset him with remarks that he might be acting like a six-year old. For that matter, Flynn probably oughtn’t get it either, since he is on the memo above.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:05am

Gorsuch is going to get nominated in the end, but that is not a reason for Democrats not to oppose him in every manner possible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:18am

re: #57 Anymouse

Mine won’t either. Turns out Ben Sasse is party before country too.

That notice above from Flynn? Butthurt over Obama in it. Gaaaa.

I’m already tired of the whinging, just like Trump said I would be. (No one treat that remark to Mr. Trump. We don’t need to upset him with remarks that he might be acting like a six-year old. For that matter, Flynn probably oughtn’t get it either, since he is on the memo above.)

Outside the immigration ban which is a big issue, has Sasse actually condemned anything Trump’s done? I appreciate he condemns Trump but needs more meat to the bone.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:24am
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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:29am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

But E-mails! (I need to find out how to get that picture of the underwater sign.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:44am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Gorsuch is going to get nominated in the end, but that is not a reason for Democrats not to oppose him in every manner possible.

At the very least, let the American people know he’s an extremist.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:28:52am

I don’t miss this sanctimonious twit a bit.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:29:08am
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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:29:33am
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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:29:34am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Outside the immigration ban which is a big issue, has Sasse actually condemned anything Trump’s done? I appreciate he condemns Trump but needs more meat to the bone.

Not that I am aware of. However, in the Senate Mr. Sasse is a freshman, and freshman senators are restricted on what they can do for the first two years in office, by Senate traditions and protocols.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:30:03am

re: #63 Skip Intro

I don’t miss this sanctimonious twit a bit.

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The difference and DF goddamn knows it is that the left more often than not will do a mea culpa. I’ve fallen for fake shit before but as soon as I do, I immediately admit my error. Trump and DF’s party as a whole OTOH.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:30:14am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
I’m so old I remember a quaint concept known as “the separation of church and state.” @POTUS


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That was also back when churches were churches.

Now we have fake churches that are more political tax havens for folks that like their religion to be all about politics, business and hate.

I do know this though…

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

And I am not religious, but I was raised and schooled Catholic…

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:30:35am

re: #43 Anymouse

But remember, Clinton was worse than Trump cuz she wuz a neolib WARMONGER!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:30:40am

re: #66 Anymouse

Not that I am aware of. However, in the Senate Mr. Sasse is a freshman, and freshman senators are restricted on what they can do for the first two years in office, by Senate traditions and protocols.

Oh I’m aware of that. I just mean speaking out on general matters. After all, he’s had other EO’s too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:31:04am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

At the very least, let the American people know he’s an extremist.

Unless they can produce video footage of him removing a KKK robe after igniting a lynching victim, there is little chance of him failing to be confirmed. And even then, it would not be a done deal…

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:31:06am

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

Hearing on teh twitters that the Peace Corps is looking like it will be axed entirely.

To be replaced by the War Corps.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:31:27am

re: #61 Anymouse

But E-mails! (I need to find out how to get that picture of the underwater sign.)

Happy to oblige:

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:32:17am
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Interesting Times  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:32:21am

re: #65 Kragar

There’s brilliant stuff in this thread on how to effectively combat that garbage:

Money quotes:

That’s what Obama and the congressional Dems failed to do, and boy oh boy did it come back to bite them in the ass -_-

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:32:27am

re: #68 ObserverArt

That was also back when churches were churches.

Now we have fake churches that are more political tax havens for folks that like their religion to be all about politics, business and hate.

I do know this though …

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

And I am not religious, but I was raised and schooled Catholic…

I know it too, and I’ve always been an atheist.

Two years ago I got a Christmas gift for my wife: A hardbound copy of the Sceptic’s Annotated Bible.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:32:40am

re: #69 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

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But remember, Clinton was worse than Trump cuz she wuz a neolib WARMONGER!

I really am reaching the point where if I run into a Bro IRL who says they voted for Stein/Johnson because Hillary was “corrupt,” I’ll feel compelled to punch them.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:33:05am

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thread.

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A smart approach.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:33:33am

re: #66 Anymouse

Not that I am aware of. However, in the Senate Mr. Sasse is a freshman, and freshman senators are restricted on what they can do for the first two years in office, by Senate traditions and protocols.

Only Protocols that matter to this administration are those of the Elders of Zion

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:35:02am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only Protocols that matter to this administration are those of the Elders of Zion

And the only globalism they seem to care about is The International Jew

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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:35:15am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Sigh, I know you love your Dad but this is the kind of shit we’re dealing with.

Yeah — I went through a lot of self-de-programming over the years… It was tough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:35:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:36:30am
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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:36:50am

Press still being quislings, because something else sells adverts besides tearing into a corrupt politician:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:36:55am

re: #81 weave

Yeah — I went through a lot of self-de-programming over the years… It was tough.

It’s tough when it’s people we love. A few of my more distant cousins who I’ve met through my genealogical research are wingnuts. Honestly, nice people aside from it but man they just frustrate me. My one cousin really pissed me off when he did the “Why aren’t you liberals concerned about homeless veterans” crap. That one really pissed me off personally because I’ve actually applied to work for a homeless vets non-profit before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:38:30am

re: #84 Anymouse

Press still being quislings, because something else sells adverts besides tearing into a corrupt politician:

Joy Reid
I think there’s a special place in hell for reporters who use their time in the White House press briefing to ask about Super Bowl picks.

Dog Committee
Joy Ann Reid especially after they just “put Iran on notice.” I’m sorry, I don’t give a shit about Tom Brady when they’re talking war.

They fear losing access. And they know what their audiences want to hear, and it is only vaguely related to news.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:39:40am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

It’s tough when it’s people we love. A few of my more distant cousins who I’ve met through my genealogical research are wingnuts. Honestly, nice people aside from it but man they just frustrate me. My one cousin really pissed me off when he did the “Why aren’t you liberals concerned about homeless veterans” crap. That one really pissed me off personally because I’ve actually applied to work for a homeless vets non-profit before.

I was a homeless vet. From 1996-2007.

As I recall, I got no help - none - from wingnuts. None from churches (except the MCC and the UU).

I despise people who use homeless vets (or any kind of vets really) as props to be forgotten the second they are done using us.

“Thank you for your service. Let’s get back on privatising the VA.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:40:05am

My one brother thinks I get too angry with conservatives and don’t acknowledge their humanity. Maybe he’s right but I think he doesn’t see the inherent nastiness that does exist on the right. I mean I get it. He’s got more conservative friends and adult acquaintances than I had (we live in a more conservative area than I did at his age) but I think he needs to understand why I take the actions of Republicans personally. When someone like Pat Toomey calls people with pre-existing conditions “burned down houses”, yeah I take it personally.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:40:24am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They fear losing access. And they know what their audiences want to hear, and it is only vaguely related to news.

Okay, not quislings. Stenographers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:40:32am

re: #43 Anymouse

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Wait, I thought they want to drop out of the UN? So why are they citing UN resolution?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:40:42am

re: #87 Anymouse

I was a homeless vet. From 1996-2007.

As I recall, I got no help - none - from wingnuts. None from churches (except the MCC and the UU).

I despise people who use homeless vets (or any kind of vets really) as props to be forgotten the second they are done using us.

“Thank you for your service. Let’s get back on privatising the VA.”

Exactly. It’s just cynical bullshit to attack the left.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:41:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:41:46am

re: #89 Anymouse

Okay, not quislings. Stenographers.

and infotainment providers

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:41:56am

re: #92 jaunte

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We had the special relationship, I now present to you the most unusual relationship.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:41:58am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought they want to drop out of the UN? So why are they citing UN resolution?

Same reason that Dubya used the very same UN he was appointing people to who wanted it gone: Trump knows that going to war with Iran alone will be an outrageously bad idea, so he needs to spread around the blame/carnage.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:42:14am
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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:42:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:43:02am

this is fine………….

O_o

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:43:14am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

Are the callers are out of state agitators paid by George Soros.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:43:43am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Exactly. It’s just cynical bullshit to attack the left.

Which is why so many people when I moved here were surprised to discover I was in the military.

A lot of it is simple brainwashing. They only hear FOX and hate radio because that’s all we have. The only paper leans conservative. &c &c.

Then BOOM liberal disabled vet drops into their lives, and they have to either acknowledge they are wrong, or assume I’m a liar. (Since I can prove it, number two is out.)

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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:43:51am

re: #68 ObserverArt

That was also back when churches were churches.

I work for a church. Contributions for all churches are down bigly (from around 50% of total charitable giving in 1990 to current 32%). Attendance is way down too.

So why are we where we are now? People have substituted the Republican party for church now. That’s where they get their moral guidance, and that is where that are defending. And that is why it’s going to be so difficult to overcome it.

Over on Reddit on /r/The_Donald they call Trump “The God Emperor” — they may think that’s a term of endearment but it’s pretty descriptive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:44:07am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is fine………….

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O_o

So much for local knows best.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:44:44am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:44:49am

re: #100 Anymouse

Which is why so many people when I moved here were surprised to discover I was in the military.

A lot of it is simple brainwashing. They only hear FOX and hate radio because that’s all we have. The only paper leans conservative. &c &c.

Then BOOM liberal disabled vet drops into their lives, and they have to either acknowledge they are wrong, or assume I’m a liar. (Since I can prove it, number two is out.)

They just can’t accept the idea that liberals love their country too.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:44:57am

re: #96 Kragar

Ha! That would be great to have at the Science March on a gigantic poster.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:45:44am

“…Nadya Volkova, 24, is comforted by her mother-in-law Galina Nikolaevna as she grieves over the body of her mother Katya Volkova, 60, who was killed by shelling at around 7:30 a.m. Wednesday as she walked to the store in Avdiivka, Ukraine. The conflict with Russia-backed rebels has intensified dramatically in the front-line town over the past several days, leaving residents without heat or electricity in frigid temperatures”
washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:45:51am
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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:46:35am

re: #101 weave

I work for a church. Contributions for all churches are down bigly (from around 50% of total charitable giving in 1990 to current 32%). Attendance is way down too.

So why are we where we are now? People have substituted the Republican party for church now. That’s where they get their moral guidance, and that is where that are defending. And that is why it’s going to be so difficult to overcome it.

Over on Reddit on /r/The_Donald they call Trump “The God Emperor” — they may think that’s a term of endearment but it’s pretty descriptive.

So a lot more people are worshipping a Golden Calf than the lord whose commands they claim to believe and uphold?

Does that make the GOP false prophets?

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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:46:46am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

They just can’t accept the idea that liberals love their country too.

Or the idea that serving your country isn’t strictly limited to military service.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:05am

re: #75 Interesting Times

The reason to oblige the GOP to end the filibuster is exceedingly simple.

In the long run the filibuster, as an undemocratic tool of obstruction, more often benefits the Republicans than the Democrats. So having the GOP end it is a win.

It’s the only win Democrats can reasonably expect to get in the current situation, so it is political malpractice to preemptively surrender and get nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:11am
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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:13am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:27am

re: #109 Arkansawyer

Or the idea that serving your county isn’t strictly limited to military services.

Especially that.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:36am
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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:37am

re: #61 Anymouse

But E-mails! (I need to find out how to get that picture of the underwater sign.)

‘mouse…come on…you should know by now there is this thing called Google.

You open Google, click on Images on the right hand side, then in the search box you type in something like: picture of the underwater sign says “but her emails”

And up it pops. It took seconds.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:47am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait… what was that? Even by Mike DeWine standards I don’t understand what in the hell he’s saying.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:47:57am

re: #106 jaunte

Amazing how Putin feels comfortable to take this action right now, doesn’t it? Almost as if he knows we’re too busy dealing with his puppet to do anything about it…

//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:48:42am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Any draining of a swamp should start with LaPierre but because he has the GOP by their gun humping balls…

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:48:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:49:34am

re: #101 weave

So why are we where we are now? People have substituted the Republican party for church now. That’s where they get their moral guidance, and that is where that are defending. And that is why it’s going to be so difficult to overcome it.

I could not get over how the religious right accepted Donald Trump, but I guess I should not have been so surprised.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:49:52am

re: #112 jaunte

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Valerie Plame, part deux. It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

Depending on the SEALs posting or position, naming dependants on television is a crime, a violation of the Espionage Act.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:50:03am

re: #110 EPR-radar

The reason to oblige the GOP to end the filibuster is exceedingly simple.

In the long run the filibuster, as an undemocratic tool of obstruction, more often benefits the Republicans than the Democrats. So having the GOP end it is a win.

It’s the only win Democrats can reasonably expect to get in the current situation, so it is political malpractice to preemptively surrender and get nothing.

It was Strom Thurmond who used the filibuster for days and days to delay the Civil Rights Act, no? Historically it’s been a GOP weapon.

DARE them to nuke it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:50:05am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I could not get over how the religious right accepted Donald Trump, but I guess I should not have been so surprised.

Party before God.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:50:17am

re: #119 jaunte

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So it seems my CFR article has some relevance. The average American doesn’t make that much let alone can contribute that much to a campaign.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:50:44am

re: #121 Anymouse

Valerie Plame, part deux. It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

Depending on the SEALs posting or position, naming dependants on television is a crime, a violation of the Espionage Act.

Baghdad Spice is operating under New Rules, To Be Announced.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:51:31am

re: #121 Anymouse

Valerie Plame, part deux. It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

Depending on the SEALs posting or position, naming dependants on television is a crime, a violation of the Espionage Act.

Yeah, but who’s going to enforce it?

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:51:38am

re: #115 ObserverArt

‘mouse…come on…you should know by now there is this thing called Google.

You open Google, click on Images on the right hand side, then in the search box you type in something like: picture of the underwater sign says “but her emails”

And up it pops. It took seconds.

I thought that was a picture stored here. I didn’t know how to retrieve it.

It’s a good meme though, I should have figured it it’s out there in the InterBox somewhere.

That phrase could be put into just about any picture.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:51:42am

re: #63 Skip Intro

I don’t miss this sanctimonious twit a bit.

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I tried to treat him nicely. The fact he sneaked out of here right about the time the elections were coming really said a lot about him. Big war monger…with a pussified constitution.

He’s your typical Republican.

I always thought he was under the spell of his father. Which means he never could speak or be himself.

Sad.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:52:19am

re: #119 jaunte

Assume he’ll cave and go for her. (He just got reelected, no? So it’s not like he will face any recourse whatsoever…)

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:52:56am

re: #65 Kragar

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:52:59am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Any draining of a swamp should start with LaPierre but because he has the GOP by their gun humping balls…

I suspect he and Trump are talking about 2nd Amendment solutions to deal with the protestors.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:53:16am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:53:28am

re: #22 jaunte

This is not who we are. But I’m afraid it’s who we are becoming. :-/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:54:36am

re: #131 Skip Intro

I suspect he and Trump are talking about 2nd Amendment solutions to deal with the protestors.

I’m sure Wayne fantasizes about that. Just like I do Wayne being forced to sell his penis substitute arsenal to a charity for victims of gun violence.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:54:38am

Sorry if posted

Management of THE CYBER so far, a fail. #sad

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:54:59am

Winning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:55:06am
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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:55:07am

re: #87 Anymouse

I was a homeless vet. From 1996-2007.

As I recall, I got no help - none - from wingnuts. None from churches (except the MCC and the UU).

This past Summer I had the honor of driving the support vehicle for a retired fighter pilot who was riding his bicycle from Maine to Key West in support of Folds of Honor. He was interviewed live on Fox and Friends. I thought for sure after that national exposure the donations would come flooding in. Pretty much nothing. He was averaging about $1,000 a day and that day and the few days after it — no change in that at all. All that exposure, all those Fox “patriots” who watched and pretty much none of them dug into their pockets to support the families of fallen soldiers.

I was really disappointed.

(On a brighter note though we did meet up with a lot of really wonderful people along the way, many of them who *did* donate as well as offered us their homes, meals, and support.)

Here’s the video: video.foxnews.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:55:14am

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

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Welp. Glad I’m 30 but man I know so many kids coming of age through my youngest brother, his friends, and coaching basketball.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:55:46am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Old war mongrels don’t die, they just stay in the Senate.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:56:19am

re: #135 Stanley Sea

Burying the lede:

In the meantime, has a piece of advice for everyone. “Don’t go to whitehouse.gov until they fix that certificate,” Avestisov said.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:56:27am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m beginning to remain convinced that Johnny sold his soul to live long enough to see us go to war with Iran.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:03am
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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:11am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I’m sure Wayne fantasizes about that. Just like I do Wayne being forced to sell his penis substitute arsenal to a charity for victims of gun violence.

From what I’ve read, Wayne is horrible when it comes to firearms discipline. Like, mistakenly pointing loaded weapons at people horrible. Also, isn’t his son in jail for a firearms charge?

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:30am
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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:41am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:48am

re: #144 Arkansawyer

From what I’ve read, Wayne is horrible when it comes to firearms discipline. Like, mistakenly pointing loaded weapons at people horrible. Also, isn’t his son in jail for a firearms charge?

Honestly I’m not sure but neither would surprise me.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:57:54am

re: #131 Skip Intro

I suspect he and Trump are talking about 2nd Amendment solutions to deal with the protestors.

I am nearly convinced that is going to happen. It happened in 1979 not one mile from where I live in Greensboro when the Nazis and the KKK murdered protesters in broad daylight with the connivance if the Greensboro PD…

The GPD was successfully sued by survivors in the 80’s, but never paid the award dictated by the court.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:58:20am

re: #146 lawhawk

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Blagh!

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:58:27am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that figures since the NSC doesn’t including the JCS and DNI. They’re finding out like everyone else. Via Trump’s twitter and Bannon’s mouthpiece Spicer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:58:39am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Glad WH is standing up to Iranian aggression: “Trump White House puts #Iran on notice over ballistic missile test”

I just hope no Americans wind up in a POW camp, we know what the President thinks of those kind of soldiers…

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:59:14am

But Her E-mails

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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:59:31am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Honestly I’m not sure but neither would surprise me.

Nope, it was David Keene’s son. Road rage incident.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:59:36am

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

I am nearly convinced that is going to happen. It happened in 1979 not one mile from where I live in Greensboro when the Nazis and the KKK murdered protesters in broad daylight with the connivance if the Greensboro PD…

The GPD was successfully sued by survivors in the 80’s, but never paid the award dictated by the court.

Speaking of things like that, did you see that the FBI apparently has been investigating that many small LEO have white supremacist connnects. I can’t say it surprises me. A lot of these small town PDs are probably staffed by the sons and grandsons of the guys who ran them in the past.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 11:59:59am

re: #153 Arkansawyer

Nope, it was David Keene’s son. Road rage incident.

Ah the ACU guy. Haven’t heard about him in recent years. I think he retired.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:00:01pm

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

The pastor of a largely immigrant Catholic church in Queens has a suggestion for his anti-Trump parishioners: Go take a flying leap off the nearest building.

“Show your hate for Trump. Do it for social justice. #JumpAgainstTrump,” read a meme posted by the Rev. Philip Pizzo just hours after he celebrated Sunday Mass.

The message included an illustration of a man plummeting from a skyscraper.

The conservative priest, who oversees St. Benedict Joseph Labre Roman Catholic Church in Richmond Hill, previously posted a photo of President Obama with the words “He’s not my president” and another snapshot of Hillary Clinton titled “Ugly Face” in Italian along with “Happy Halloween.”

Pizzo, 67, told The Post on Monday that he just thought the “Jump Against Trump” meme was “funny.”

“I do not promote suicide,” Pizzo insisted. “I’ve helped many people over the years, and it does not promote suicide. It was funny.”

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:01:21pm

Here we go again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:02:18pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

That honestly makes me sad. WTF is wrong with him. It wouldn’t have been right if someone said that about Anti-Obama parishioners either. And you’d think someone with the name Pizzo would understand why immigrants might be worried.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:02:35pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Another reason to stay Episcopalian.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:02:42pm

re: #138 weave

That’s fantastic. You did far more for the fellow and his cause than any of the FoxBots.

I’ll bet they all felt patriotic watching that man on his bicycle trip though. Thank you for your service is a nice phrase, something like I’ll pray for you.

It absolves you from doing anything.

You did something. That is far more meaningful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:02:56pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

Just a good ol’ padre having a bit of a laugh. Lighten up, you oversensitive snowflakes!

/

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:03:00pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Speaking of things like that, did you see that the FBI apparently has been investigating that many small LEO have white supremacist connnects. I can’t say it surprises me. A lot of these small town PDs are probably staffed by the sons and grandsons of the guys who ran them in the past.

Yep. I saw that. I have been reading police blog comments, and the racism and violent hatred of liberals is shocking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:03:03pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Here we go again.

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hmmm…sounds like he may be defending you.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:03:50pm

re: #162 Scottish Dragon

Yep. I saw that. I have been reading police blog comments, and the racism and violent hatred of liberals is shocking.

Yeah, your posting of the One Police forum really opened my eyes up to the racism and hatred of liberals that many of our cops have.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:04:19pm

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Another reason to stay Episcopalian.

Yeah but you don’t get the guilt, what fun is that!*
*Baptized Catholic

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:04:30pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Wow, I wonder if there is any way to bring him to the attention of his superior - or the Pope - or write a letter to the newspaper naming and shaming?

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:04:40pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:04:40pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

The point was that @Green_Footballs is a hypocrite. And there needed to be a reckoning. No “rehabilitation” could be allowed.

nothing worse than a traitor, except maybe an unrepentant traitor…

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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:04:44pm

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Another reason to stay Episcopalian.

I grew up Episcopalian. One of the only churches that I still respect.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:05:24pm

re: #167 lawhawk

FYI:

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Goddamnit, this stuff isn’t helpful. I am glad we know the truth now but there are plenty of truthful ways of denouncing the ban.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:05:25pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

I’m so old I remember when the RWNJs went apeshit over Fr. Flagler.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:05:40pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:06:02pm

re: #146 lawhawk

More good news for Putin.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:06:05pm

re: #162 Scottish Dragon

Yep. I saw that. I have been reading police blog comments, and the racism and violent hatred of liberals is shocking.

That’s why Police One blog went to approved accounts only, right after the Trayvon Martin shooting. Anyone could look at it (though only police officers could post).

After that swill was exposed, they took their blog private.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:06:16pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Man who claimed mom died in Iraq after Trump’s ban lied, Imam confirms

Therefore, all protests against the Muslim non-ban are now invalid.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:07:01pm

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Therefore, all protests against the Muslim non-ban are now invalid.

/

You jest but I imagine I’m going to see that.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:07:06pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Here we go again.

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That doesn’t make you a hypocrite.

English, how does it work?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:07:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:08:12pm

SMYRNA, Del. —
Guards have been taken hostage by inmates at a maximum security prison in Delaware, according to state officials.

The guards were being held at the James T. Vaughn Correctional Center in Smyrna. No further details about the situation were made available by authorities.

Geoffrey Klopp, president of the Correctional Officers Association of Delaware, reportedly told the Associated Press he had been told by the Department of Correction commissioner that prison guards had been taken hostage.

Spokeswoman Jayme Gravell provided few details, the AP reports, but described the situation as an isolated incident, adding that there was no threat to the public.

Authorities were called to the complex on Paddock Road just before 11 a.m. Wednesday.

The original call was for a smoke condition in the building.

All of Delaware’s state prisons have been placed on lockdown.

The lockdown also covers the Howard Young Correctional Facility in Wilmington, the Baylor Women’s Facility in New Castle and the Sussex Correctional Institution in Georgetown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:08:41pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Therefore, all protests against the Muslim non-ban are now invalid.

You jest but I imagine I’m going to see that.

I included the sarc tag to show that I did not agree with it, but that is the talking point that we are going to see.

Why are people (on both sides) so receptive to fake news?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:08:42pm

re: #177 Anymouse

That doesn’t make you a hypocrite.

English, how does it work?

What pisses me off about that is many of the same people who attack Charles for having once been conservative leaning are the same people who love them some Greenwald and Greenwald was too. Charles to his credit was also criticizing the co-opting of the mainstream right with Eurofascist parties during the Bush years. I didn’t agree with him on Iraq and other issues in those days but he was doing that.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:09:25pm

re: #167 lawhawk

FYI:

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Wingnuts now in a bind, as they don’t know whether or not to believe the story since their belief system says that Imams always lie.

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HypnoToad  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:09:29pm

Far out in the depths of space, planet Z orbits in the harsh glare of its sun. Its mostly barren and lifeless surface stretches for thousands of miles to where a grim fortress rises from a rocky crag, where a great antenna tracks a specific point in the sky…

Brainpod 17: “The stupidity beam is operating at optimal efficiency, your Malevolence.”

Brainpod 22: We shouldn’t have any more problems now that the crystallic fusion cell
is installed the right way round.”

Emperor Zurg: “Excellent, I’ve been wanting to do this for years. I’m so evil I’m giving
myself goosebumps! You’ve dealt with those incompetents?”

Brainpod 22: “Yes, their mucking out the dungeons right now.”

Emperor Zurg: “Any results? I can’t wait! What effect is it having?”

Brainpod 6 rushes in: “Sir, Sir!” Waves transcript. “Just received! Look who they
elected!”

Emperor Zurg: “This has exceeded my most megalomaniacle dreams! You may shift
the beam to the next target… the team can have a weeks vacation!
Mom would be so proud… Any sign of Lightyear?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:09:32pm

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I included the sarc tag to show that I did not agree with it, but that is the talking point that we are going to see.

Why are people (on both sides) so receptive to fake news?

Oh I know you were being sarcastic. AS for your question, confirmation bias.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:10:22pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Wingnuts now in a bind, as they don’t know whether or not to believe the story since their belief system says that Imams always lie.

Allow me.

Family Guy Company Suck-up

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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:10:50pm

re: #160 Anymouse

You did something. That is far more meaningful.

Thanks — although my feelings may have been a bit different than the rah-rah feelings many have. I met many of the wives and children of fallen soldiers and it tore me up. I understand the need for a strong defense but too often it’s seems so senseless — when warhawks are just so eager to send young people off to their death for questionable reasons and don’t give a shit about, not only the pain and suffering they cause for American families, but the innocent people in other countries as well.

It should be a last resort when there’s no other way.

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I cannot.  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:11:49pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Not just a hatred of minorities and liberals.

It’s a hatred of US. Everyone that doesn’t have a badge, and doesn’t hate like they do. Obviously #NotAllCops, but you never know when or if you’ll run into one of *those* cops, but you already know what will happen to *those* cops if they do decide to ruin your day (or year, or life…).

You may be friends with a cop, but the police in general are not your friend.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:11:52pm

re: #186 weave

Thanks — although my feelings may have been a bit different than the rah-rah feelings many have. I met many of the wives and children of fallen soldiers and it tore me up. I understand the need for a strong defense but too often it’s seems so senseless — when warhawks are just so eager to send young people off to their death for questionable reasons and don’t give a shit about, not only the pain and suffering they cause for American families, but the innocent people in other countries as well.

It should be a last resort when there’s no other way.

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. - Foundation, Issac Asimov

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:12:20pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

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1 in 1,000 like him might hear you. This one is too busy reading his own words, I think.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:12:23pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:13:04pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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But but Obama vacation! Seriously, what the hell is up with this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:14:04pm
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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:14:13pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Yeah — she’s loving this. She gets him out of the house.

So — has there ever been a Presidential divorce before?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:14:30pm

List of upcoming protests in LA, from my new twitter contact.

timeout.com

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Bubblehead II  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:15:11pm

re: #61 Anymouse

But E-mails! (I need to find out how to get that picture of the underwater sign.)

Here you go.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:15:21pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I’m just sitting here, thinking about the headlines that would have been generated in the alt-universe where Hillary moved to the White House without Bill as he chose to remain living in their NYC apartment. The media would devote entire pages to speculation that this was the beginnings of a divorce, that she was ashamed to be near him, and (of course) all the screeching about the millions in taxpayer dollars spent to protect him when he should be living in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:15:30pm

re: #193 weave

Yeah — she’s loving this. She gets him out of the house.

So — has there ever been a Presidential divorce before?

Presidential history nerd here. Nope. In fact, Reagan’s the only president before Trump to ever been divorced before. There were other presidents on wife number two but they were widowers.

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allegro  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:15:41pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

I hope that info gets into the hands of Pope Francis. He seems to get testy over this stuff.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:16:40pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

1 in 1,000 like him might hear you. This one is too busy reading his own words, I think.

Is it worth appealing to a thousand people to change the mind of one?

I’ll try to take a stab at it at least.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:16:50pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:16:58pm

re: #135 Stanley Sea

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:17:06pm

WE HATE THE UN!! USA OUT OF THE UN!!

Iran is in violation of a UN agreement.

Bomb! Invade! How dare Iran diss the UN!?!? ATTACK!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:17:16pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

I’m just sitting here, thinking about the headlines that would have been generated in the alt-universe where Hillary moved to the White House without Bill as he chose to remain living in their NYC apartment. The media would devote entire pages to speculation that this was the beginnings of a divorce, that she was ashamed to be near him, and (of course) all the screeching about the millions in taxpayer dollars spent to protect him when he should be living in the White House.

Yep. I mean there’s a reason why the capital is in D.C.

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Jack Burton  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:17:47pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Allow me.

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Norman, coordinate!

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:17:51pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I missed that part. It really does fit the authoritarian mindset that our countries/peoples should be “thankful” for us letting up some of the pressure on their throats from the boot we have firmly planted there.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:19:34pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Yeah he’s NOT helping.

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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:22:43pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Presidential history nerd here. Nope. In fact, Reagan’s the only president before Trump to ever been divorced before. There were other presidents on wife number two but they were widowers.

Even if she wanted to leave him, I can’t imagine she’d be “allowed.” She’s a prisoner. Maybe not explicitly but I’m sure she knows the backlash from his supporters would be insane. The press would tear her up too. Trump would be painted as the victim. In this crazy world it’d probably help his re-election chances too.

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Interesting Times  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:23:02pm

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why are people (on both sides) so receptive to fake news?

I think there’s a difference between “fake news” (i.e. propaganda) and “news that turns out to be fake.”

As I recall, the story appeared on otherwise legit news sites and was only later revealed to be false. As long as the news outlets issue the necessary retractions/corrections ASAP,* they don’t deserve to be lumped in with sites that set out to deceive people from the get-go, knowing the info they’re peddling is false.

*This is why it’s entirely fair to label Fox as propaganda since, even when the Quebec mosque shooter was properly ID’d, they failed to retract their false claims about his identity until the outcry got so loud (and official from the Canadian gov’t) they couldn’t possibly ignore it anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:23:15pm

re: #207 weave

Even if she wanted to leave him, I can’t imagine she’d be “allowed.” She’s a prisoner. Maybe not explicitly but I’m sure she knows the backlash from his supporters would be insane. The press would tear her up too. Trump would be painted as the victim. In this crazy world it’d probably help his re-election chances too.

It probably would as bizzare as it sounds.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:24:26pm
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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:24:56pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

Democrats should author a bill preventing paying for services at Trump Tower when he’s not there. They can talk about fiscal responsibility.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:09pm

re: #17 jaunte

Katyushas. I hate those things.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:14pm

re: #210 Scottish Dragon

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Great guy, loved him in Shawshank!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:21pm
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thecommodore  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:34pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:45pm

re: #212 Romantic Heretic

Katyushas. I hate those things.

So did the Germans…

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:26:55pm

re: #97 jaunte

A short iPhone video flavour of this conflict’s intensity #Avdiivka #ukraine pic.twitter.com

What The Ukraine is going through really makes me sad. War makes me sad. It is one of man’s worst traits. Meanwhile fat asses like Trump and Bannon plot against people suffering from war looking to escape, while it looks like Russia will get free reign to take The Ukraine back.

Fucking humans can be evil.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:27:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:27:15pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad he’s still standing up. I still have my aCLU pocket Constitution that they sent out.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:27:38pm

re: #211 Belafon

Democrats should author a bill preventing paying for services at Trump Tower when he’s not there. They can talk about fiscal responsibility.

Well, my R representative won’t take that suggestion from me.

Perhaps some enterprising individual here could call their D rep and suggest it.

Maybe put it on the White (Aryan) House petition site so it can be ignored.

Put it up on Mr. Trump’s Twizzler accounts (bonus: annoys him more), or the accounts of R and D reps and senators.

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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:27:59pm

re: #135 Stanley Sea

Sorry if posted

Management of THE CYBER so far, a fail. #sad

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Christ, I hope they removed anyone who did anything on WH. gov (like petitions) before trump and his merry band of misfits took over.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:28:14pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

What The Ukraine is going through really makes me sad. War makes me sad. It is one of man’s worst traits. Meanwhile fat asses like Trump and Bannon plot against people suffering from war looking to escape, while it looks like Russia will get free reign to take The Ukraine back.

Fucking humans can be evil.

It is very sad. My Slovak family- still have family there that I’ve gotten to know lives not too far from the border.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:28:53pm

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

It’s a good time for these stories to come out.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:29:09pm

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

I’ll wait until the DeVos nomination is deader than a fucking doornail first.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:29:12pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is fine………….

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O_o

I hate fucking Mike DeWhiner…little career politician asshole.

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Franklin  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:29:59pm

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

I love David.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:30:42pm

re: #224 Myron Falwell

I’ll wait until the DeVos nomination is deader than a fucking doornail first.

We’re not going to win every battle. Get used to that. It may take a while before we get any victory of significance. But doing this right now, and some of the other stuff, will pay off.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:31:15pm

re: #101 weave

I work for a church. Contributions for all churches are down bigly (from around 50% of total charitable giving in 1990 to current 32%). Attendance is way down too.

So why are we where we are now? People have substituted the Republican party for church now. That’s where they get their moral guidance, and that is where that are defending. And that is why it’s going to be so difficult to overcome it.

Over on Reddit on /r/The_Donald they call Trump “The God Emperor” — they may think that’s a term of endearment but it’s pretty descriptive.

Are you talking about what I would call traditional churches as opposed to the arena-like mega churches? It would not surprise me if traditional churches/religions are struggling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:32:57pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:33:31pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

What The Ukraine is going through really makes me sad. War makes me sad. It is one of man’s worst traits. Meanwhile fat asses like Trump and Bannon plot against people suffering from war looking to escape, while it looks like Russia will get free reign to take The Ukraine back.

Fucking humans can be evil.

Some humans are so evil, they push the idea that evil is a ‘human trait’ so they can’t help themselves. Evil may be a human concept, but it is not a trait common to all humans.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:34:14pm

re: #43 Anymouse

Where my thoughts wandered here after reading that.

Come on, fathers, throughout this land,
send your kids off to Ee-ran.
Come on, mothers, don’t hesitate,
send them all off before it’s too late.

Be the first one on your block,
to have your child come home in a box!

Sigh. Plus ça change and all that.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:34:25pm
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weave  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:34:48pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

Are you talking about what I would call traditional churches as opposed to the arena-like mega churches? It would not surprise me if traditional churches/religions are struggling.

Well — there’s always going to be success vs failures in these situations, but overall….

NY Times: Donations to Religious Institutions Fall as Values Change

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:35:14pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Headed into exile? Did Bannon take over?

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:35:15pm

re: #48 Belafon

Wrapped in a brick and sent collect.

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allegro  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:35:40pm

re: #227 Belafon

We’re not going to win every battle. Get used to that. It may take a while before we get any victory of significance. But doing this right now, and some of the other stuff, will pay off.

I can’t remember exactly where I read it now - been years - but apparently the massive demonstration of people surrounding the Pentagon scared the crap out of Nixon and was quite instrumental in ending our involvement in Viet Nam. Protests and sustained pressure are effective regardless of the scolds who try to convince us that we’re just wasting our time.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:35:51pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s off to see his handler for new orders from the Kremlin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:36:14pm
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Citizen K  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:36:15pm

re: #101 weave

I work for a church. Contributions for all churches are down bigly (from around 50% of total charitable giving in 1990 to current 32%). Attendance is way down too.

So why are we where we are now? People have substituted the Republican party for church now. That’s where they get their moral guidance, and that is where that are defending. And that is why it’s going to be so difficult to overcome it.

Over on Reddit on /r/The_Donald they call Trump “The God Emperor” — they may think that’s a term of endearment but it’s pretty descriptive.

I remember cautioning people about this kind of movement by pointing out these kind of appropriations. People told me I was being alarmist and such things were clearly supposed to be ironic or mocking. Except they kept calling him that. And calling him that, in a way that made it clear how much they legitimately supported Trump. “Ironic” support ceases to be ironic at some point when you keep. fucking. doing it.

And yet god knows how many people refuse to recognize the malignant sort of messianism in Trump’s demeanor and support, while simultaneously proclaiming Obama to be the worst sort of narcissist ever and bashing liberals for treating him as some sort of Messiah.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:36:36pm

re: #21 lawhawk

I’m so old that I remember that the US would stand up for its allies and friends against Russian aggression and tyranny.

Today? Putin’s puppets in the White House can’t be bothered to even issue a statement about the situation.

The lesson is not lost on the rest of Europe that Ukraine voluntarily gave up its nuclear weapons in return for international guarantees. I would be surprised if we don’t see a scramble for nukes now. Disarmament is as dead as the dodo.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:36:58pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So the press couldn’t get an embarrassing photograph again.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:37:51pm

re: #220 Anymouse

Well, my R representative won’t take that suggestion from me.

Perhaps some enterprising individual here could call their D rep and suggest it.

Maybe put it on the White (Aryan) House petition site so it can be ignored.

Put it up on Mr. Trump’s Twizzler accounts (bonus: annoys him more), or the accounts of R and D reps and senators.

Reps are shutting their phones off.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:38:11pm

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel

The lesson is not lost on the rest of Europe that Ukraine voluntarily gave up its nuclear weapons in return for international guarantees. I would be surprised if we don’t see a scramble for nukes now. Disarmament is as dead as the dodo.

“The West has abandoned us” is going to be the thinking in Eastern Europe.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:38:45pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:39:04pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

So the press couldn’t get an embarrassing photograph again.

Think how scared he’d be to walk up the stairs backwards to avoid that photo.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:39:35pm

re: #236 allegro

They keep trying to make voting illegal for a reason.

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Citizen K  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:39:54pm

re: #244 Tigger2

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Over/under on the ratio of self-aggrandizing statements to actual condolences?

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:40:35pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

Reps are shutting their phones off.

Flood their Twitter, Facebook, and other accounts.

Let them shut those off too.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:41:04pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

I always thought he was under the spell of his father. Which means he never could speak or be himself.

Sad.

He’s a god damn adult. He and he alone is responsible for his shitty opinions.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:41:26pm

re: #244 Tigger2

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I’d consider this a sign of suddenly humility…but that would be out of character for him, so there must be an ulterior motive.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:41:40pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

“The West has abandoned us” is going to be the thinking in Eastern Europe.

There are an awful lot of Russian formations and aircraft in the Kaliningrad exclave thirty miles from Gdansk.

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electrotek  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:42:40pm

I provoked an uproar on my FB after I posted an “All White Matters” with the asterisk showcasing the exceptions of major groups and now they’re all accusing me of being anti-white lol

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:42:57pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

I’d consider this a sign of suddenly humility…but that would be out of character for him, so there must be an ulterior motive.

Self-promotion comes to mind.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:44:01pm

re: #253 Tigger2

Self-promotion comes to mind.

My guess? He’s got a photographer there all set up so he can control which photos are released to the press.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:44:02pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

I’d consider this a sign of suddenly humility…but that would be out of character for him, so there must be an ulterior motive.

Pose with the troops (or the fallen) for political ops: It’s what the GOP does.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:44:16pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

They just can’t accept the idea that liberals love their country too.

All goes back to Reagan and his “L” word labeling.

Somehow liberals and progressive need to not be afraid of being liberal and progressive and get out in front of the bad connotation.

As I said above…I am not religious in the sense of being a member of a religion or church. But being dipped heavily in Catholicism in my schooling and early life, I can identify with the thinking and spiritualism.

One thing I think need be done is get back to teaching that one of the biggest liberals in the history of the world was the Jesus Christ figure (whether you believe in him or not). Teach all the good people in history can be seen as liberal.

If conservatives want to be seen as being all holy, then make them embarrassed not to be liberal/progressive and point out the facts that much of the Republican/conservative mindset is far from the teachings of the Jesus Christ figure/story.

And pound on it hard. Turn the “C” word into a derogatory term. Flip the script.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:45:18pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

I’d consider this a sign of suddenly humility…but that would be out of character for him, so there must be an ulterior motive.

Diversion from the Russian attack on the Ukraine. Press follows him and not the important story.

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allegro  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:46:18pm

re: #254 Targetpractice

My guess? He’s got a photographer there all set up so he can control which photos are released to the press.

And go there in secret so no outsiders, i.e. unapproved press, can get there in time.

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gocart mozart  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:46:20pm
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Citizen K  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:46:40pm

re: #256 ObserverArt

All goes back to Reagan and his “L” word labeling.

Somehow liberals and progressive need to not be afraid of being liberal and progressive and get out in front of the bad connotation.

As I said above…I am not religious in the sense of being a member of a religion or church. But being dipped heavily in Catholicism in my schooling and early life, I can identify with the thinking and spiritualism.

One thing I think need be done is get back to teaching that one of the biggest liberals in the history of the world was the Jesus Christ figure (whether you believe in him or not). Teach all the good people in history can be seen as liberal.

If conservatives want to be seen as being all holy, then make them embarrassed not to be liberal/progressive and point out the facts that much of the Republican/conservative mindset is far from the teachings of the Jesus Christ figure/story.

And pound on it hard. Turn the “C” word into a derogatory term. Flip the script.

I was lucky. My theology teacher for most of my high school years at Catholic School was very much a modern hippie type. He proudly displayed pictures of his time protesting the School of Americas, among other things.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:47:42pm

re: #256 ObserverArt

All goes back to Reagan and his “L” word labeling.

Somehow liberals and progressive need to not be afraid of being liberal and progressive and get out in front of the bad connotation.

As I said above…I am not religious in the sense of being a member of a religion or church. But being dipped heavily in Catholicism in my schooling and early life, I can identify with the thinking and spiritualism.

One thing I think need be done is get back to teaching that one of the biggest liberals in the history of the world was the Jesus Christ figure (whether you believe in him or not). Teach all the good people in history can be seen as liberal.

If conservatives want to be seen as being all holy, then make them embarrassed not to be liberal/progressive and point out the facts that much of the Republican/conservative mindset is far from the teachings of the Jesus Christ figure/story.

And pound on it hard. Turn the “C” word into a derogatory term. Flip the script.

My wife, who holds pretty much nothing but liberal ideas, considers herself a conservative.

She simply will not accept from me that she is a liberal. (She supported Reagan in her first election. The brainwashing against the liberal term has stuck; I am the exception she knows.)

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:48:20pm

re: #247 Citizen K

Over/under on the ratio of self-aggrandizing statements to actual condolences?

No odds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:48:21pm

re: #255 Anymouse

Pose with the troops (or the fallen) for political ops: It’s what the GOP does.

Perhaps while he’s there he can give a eulogy bitching about how the media lie about him, and hit on the widow, because, you know, when you’re a star, they let you do anything.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Welp. Glad I’m 30 but man I know so many kids coming of age through my youngest brother, his friends, and coaching basketball.

Since they are talking about making girls register for selective service as well, I’m concerned because I’ve got two girls, 10 and 12.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:49:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:49:40pm

re: #264 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Since they are talking about making girls register for selective service as well, I’m concerned because I’ve got two girls, 10 and 12.

Yep it’s scary.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:50:27pm

I can’t remember who posted the graphic of the people for and against DeVos, but I noted my Senator, Dean Heller, is a yes, so I just called both his local and D.C. offices and told them to tell him to vote no on both her and Jeff Sessions. I then got on FB and urged all my Nevada friends to call both offices and listed the phone numbers.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:50:43pm

re: #227 Belafon

We’re not going to win every battle. Get used to that. It may take a while before we get any victory of significance. But doing this right now, and some of the other stuff, will pay off.

I said pretty much this last night in a Twitter conversation with a former Lizard.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:50:45pm

re: #264 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Since they are talking about making girls register for selective service as well, I’m concerned because I’ve got two girls, 10 and 12.

That comes up much more often on the left than the right.

Most GOPers do not want women in the military at all, never mind many women have served with distinction (Tammy Duckworth for example)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #269 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I said pretty much this last night in a Twitter conversation with a former Lizard.

I feel the same way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:51:33pm

During a phone call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Friday, US President Donald Trump disparaged Mexico and threatened to use military force against the drug trade, according to Dolia Estevez, a journalist based in Washington, DC.

In an interview with the Mexican news outlet Aristegui Noticias, Estevez, who cited sources on both sides of the call, said, “It was a very offensive conversation where Trump humiliated Peña Nieto.”

snip

“I don’t need the Mexicans. I don’t need Mexico,” Trump reportedly told the Mexican president. “We are going to build the wall and you all are going to pay for it, like it or not.”

Trump hinted that the US would force Mexico to fund the wall with a 10% tax on Mexican exports “and of 35% on those exports that hurt Mexico the most,” Estevez wrote in Proyecto Puente.

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“He even complained of the bad role the [Mexican] army is playing in the fight against narco trafficking,” Estevez, who writes for Forbes and is close to the Mexican journalist and anchorwoman Carmen Aristegui, said during an interview with Aristegui’s eponymous news outlet.

Trump “even suggested to [Peña Nieto] that if they are incapable of combatting [narco trafficking] he may have to send troops to assume this task,” she said.

The US president “said he would not permit the drugs coming from Mexico to continue massacring our cities,” Estevez added. She said Trump went so far as to say, “I really didn’t want to go to Mexico last August,” referring to Trump’s visit to the Mexican capital last year.

Diplomacy….the BEST most TERRIFIC at diplomacy….
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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:51:54pm

Never mind, parody account

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:52:03pm

The show must go on…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:52:07pm

re: #270 Anymouse

That comes up much more often on the left than the right.

Most GOPers do not want women in the military at all, never mind many women have served with distinction (Tammy Duckworth for example)

That’s what I’ve tried telling my brother when he’s started to bellyache about feminists. I tell him that feminists have been pressing for women to serve in active duty and that tehy do think women should be eligible for SS.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:52:42pm

These days my mind keeps coming back to this song. I’m afraid, more and more all the time, that it’s going to come to this.

And we won’t have J. Michael Strazcinski to write us a happy ending.

March of Babylon

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:52:49pm

re: #274 lawhawk

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The show must go on…

Damn. Almost got one. Appreciate that Collins and Murkowski had some decency. Did Manchin fuck us over again?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:52:52pm

re: #270 Anymouse

That comes up much more often on the left than the right.

Most GOPers do not want women in the military at all, never mind many women have served with distinction (Tammy Duckworth for example)

Then why did the GOP pass it? Link

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:53:12pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I feel the same way.

This is why taking care of ourselves is so important. This isn’t going to be a short one and done battle. If we burn out now and give in to despair, we only hurt ourselves.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:53:27pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Damn. Almost got one. Appreciate that Collins and Murkowski had some decency. Did Manchin fuck us over again?

The vote hasn’t happened yet. We have 48 D+I.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:53:35pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

That’s what I’ve tried telling my brother when he’s started to bellyache about feminists. I tell him that feminists have been pressing for women to serve in active duty and that tehy do think women should be eligible for SS.

My Navy veteran mother has had that conversation with others as well.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:54:32pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Get a lot of this asshole: Priest tells anti-Trump protesters to commit suicide

A fucking priest. I hope he loses that gig, and pronto.

I hope he burns in the hell he believes in.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:54:36pm

re: #273 Kragar

Not the real account.

This is real account: @exxonmobil

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:54:49pm

re: #273 Kragar

From the account profile: “We say what Exxon is really thinking” and it has 4 tweets.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:55:22pm

I love her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:55:41pm

re: #281 Anymouse

My Navy veteran mother has had that conversation with others as well.

My brother’s fairly liberal but he has an annoying hatred of feminists. Shrug, I chalk that up to him being a teenager. He just doesn’t see how anti-choice is anti-woman and how Republican anti-choice policies are designed specifically to punish women.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:55:44pm
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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:55:58pm

re: #247 Citizen K

Over/under on the ratio of self-aggrandizing statements to actual condolences?

I’m sorry, all bets are off:

All bets are off! Best scene from the movie Snatch.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:56:10pm

re: #278 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Then why did the GOP pass it? Link

Hmm. Well, that was unexpected.

I doubt the GOP much cared for the XIV Amendment argument of equal treatment, though.

The two bills will now be reconciled in a conference committee between the House and the Senate, where a contentious debate is expected.

“It may well be a topic of great controversy,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, who serves on the Armed Services Committee. “But it should not be.”

Military experts say that even if the efforts to compel women to enlist fails in Congress, the issue is not going away.

“I think the change is inevitable,” said Nora Bensahel, a military policy analyst at American University’s School of International Service, “whether in this debate or through the courts. It just seems that now that you have women allowed to serve in any position in the military, there is no logical basis to say women should not be drafted.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:56:20pm

re: #285 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I love her.

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Yeah I’ve never read her books but I really like her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:56:44pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can Commerce Sec Ross drink some too? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:57:02pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:57:32pm

re: #174 Anymouse

That’s why Police One blog went to approved accounts only, right after the Trayvon Martin shooting. Anyone could look at it (though only police officers could post).

After that swill was exposed, they took their blog private.

Ahh. In other words they put the hoods and robes back on and only come out in the cover of darkness.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:57:59pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gotta love how the guys who got elected to the GOP wave of 2010 now cowering behind closed doors. What’s the matter Tommy? Afraid to face the people?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:05pm

re: #289 Anymouse

Hmm. Well, that was unexpected.

I doubt the GOP much cared for the XIV Amendment argument of equal treatment, though.

No, they don’t really care. They wouldn’t mind sending women off to fight and die, but still have no say on what happens to their bodies.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:12pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Diplomacy….the BEST most TERRIFIC at diplomacy….
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Send the military? Send them where, Don? You are aware you can’t send American troops across the border without starting a war, right?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:25pm

re: #273 Kragar

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Fake account.

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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:42pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep, that seems about right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:42pm
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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:58:46pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

Send the military? Send them where, Don? You are aware you can’t send American troops across the border without starting a war, right?

Mexico has oil.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:59:04pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lemme guess: they’re too scared and want their mommy and a blanket/cookie combo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:59:25pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

Send the military? Send them where, Don? You are aware you can’t send American troops across the border without starting a war, right?

He. Does. Not. Care. About. Rules. Or. Laws.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:59:26pm

re: #300 Anymouse

Mexico has oil.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 12:59:51pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey union guys who voted for Trump. Yoohoo, this is how they’re thanking you for your support.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:00:10pm

re: #295 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

No, they don’t really care. They wouldn’t mind sending women off to fight and die, but still have no say on what happens to their bodies.

That would make an interesting XIV case: Men’s bits aren’t subject to regulation in the military, but women’s are -

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:00:29pm

re: #301 Myron Falwell

Lemme guess: they’re too scared and want their mommy and a blanket/cookie combo.

Even conservatives need a saef space from time to time. //

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:00:41pm

re: #300 Anymouse

Mexico has oil.

And manpower to make Trump-branded clothing.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:01:34pm
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Arkansawyer  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:02:04pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Even conservatives need a saef space from time to time. //

Part of me really wants the rumor about the pictures of him to be true.

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Interesting Times  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:02:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:04:24pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

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I really don’t want to hear from including my veteran wingnut friends that Trump respects our troops and Obama didn’t when he does shit like that. I get that I’m not a veteran but waht he’s doing there is incredibly crass.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:04:43pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

There’s some reports in the replies to that that the family asked for privacy too.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:05:37pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

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I didn’t hear anything about this. What’s the story about Spicer?

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:06:22pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

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These tweets need to have Trump’s handle in them. Spicer’s too. Their followers need to see the cheap exploitation on their feeds, even if Trump and Spicer don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:06:55pm

re: #313 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I didn’t hear anything about this. What’s the story about Spicer?

Spicer apparently revealed the widow of the SEAL’s name.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:07:40pm

re: #312 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s some reports in the replies to that that the family asked for privacy too.

Can’t say I blame them.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:07:48pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How long before Trump and Bannon figure out a way to move Khizr Khan out of the country on some “Trumped Up” charge.

And no, I am not kidding. Khizr Khan is too powerful for Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:07:52pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Spicer apparently revealed the widow of the SEAL’s name.

Spicer. Not good at his job.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:08:02pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Spicer apparently revealed the widow of the SEAL’s name.

Lock him up! Dissemination of classified information!

Oh wait, it’s okay if you’re a Republican.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:09:12pm

re: #317 ObserverArt

How long before Trump and Bannon figure out a way to move Khizr Khan out of the country on some “Trumped Up” charge.

And no, I am not kidding. Khizr Khan is too powerful for Trump.

I’m guessing Mr. Khan right now would not travel out of the country.

I am at the point where I would not be surprised if this shakedown stuff at international airports is expanded to domestic ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:09:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:09:51pm

re: #319 Anymouse

Lock him up! Dissemination of classified information!

Oh wait, it’s okay if you’re a Republican.

Actually, it is ok if you’re the president. But that’s not the same thing as being right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:09:58pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

That reads exactly like what several New York real estate pros told Josh Marshall about how Trump works.

There is a personality type with a New York developer, one Donald learned from Fred when he carried his dad’s briefcase to acquisition meetings out in the boroughs and it goes like this:
Donald contracts for a service or good, or the acquisition of a piece of land for $1 million.

He then does not pay you

You ask Donald for your million dollars

Donald yells at you, basely, abusively, wholly out of character to the rich gentleman you broke bread with and made the deal with. He tells you that no, YOU owe him $200,000. Gives you no reason but screams how can you be such a son of a bitch to rip him off, how he’s going to sue you, expose you as a cheat, etc.

You’re off your pins, defensive. How could this be the guy who was so nice when he picked up the check at Per Se?

So, you compromise, because human nature avoids conflict, right? This is what he’s gaming you for because once you compromised, you’ve lost. You’ve inferred his premise that you have some complicity in the matter otherwise why would you compromise? You are on the defensive and will never get it back.

You offer $750,000 as a settlement, angry buy want it over and done with. He then sues you. Why, because you’ve already committed yourself to the loss. You volunteered to surrender your position and what will stop you from keeping going?

I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior.

Pena Nieto just saw the one who comes out when Trump is asked to pay.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:10:04pm
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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:10:59pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

Send the military? Send them where, Don? You are aware you can’t send American troops across the border without starting a war, right?

Also, can’t send them in to American territory to enforce laws, posse comitatus and all that jazz.

Though, as someone else mentioned, it’s not like Trump cares about rules and laws and customs and shit…

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:11:00pm

re: #255 Anymouse

Pose with the troops (or the fallen) for political ops: It’s what the GOP does.

And then refuse to spend a fucking cent to care for vets. Shameless and disgusting don’t begin to cover it.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:11:07pm

re: #322 Belafon

Actually, it is ok if you’re the president. But that’s not the same thing as being right.

President Spicer to trend on Trump’s Twitter feed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:11:34pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

That reads exactly like what several New York real estate pros told Josh Marshall about how Trump works.

Pena Nieto just saw the one who comes out when Trump is asked to pay.

Cosa Nostra would be proud.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:11:58pm

Anyhow time for a mid-afternoon workout.

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Anymouse  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:12:45pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Anyhow time for a mid-afternoon workout.

That sounds good. Time for a nap for me.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:13:45pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Some humans are so evil, they push the idea that evil is a ‘human trait’ so they can’t help themselves. Evil may be a human concept, but it is not a trait common to all humans.

Agreed. But the noun trait does not mean by definition it belongs to all humans.

From freedictionary .com

trait (treɪt; treɪ)
n
1. a characteristic feature or quality distinguishing a particular person or thing.

Important that it is particular to a person.

But I appreciate your defense that not all people are evil. Just too many that are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:14:42pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:14:47pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s going on there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:15:23pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:16:48pm

re: #236 allegro

I can’t remember exactly where I read it now - been years - but apparently the massive demonstration of people surrounding the Pentagon scared the crap out of Nixon and was quite instrumental in ending our involvement in Viet Nam. Protests and sustained pressure are effective regardless of the scolds who try to convince us that we’re just wasting our time.

I’m not sure of details…but I understand there are continuing protests here in Columbus. Fourth day in a row. Today it is both about the Trump immigration policy and added to it is the new Supreme Court nominee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:18:28pm

re: #333 Sir John Barron

What’s going on there?

also the latest:

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Interesting Times  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:20:23pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fatass Fascist is bound to pull the same stunt in the US, so are there any guides on what peaceful protesters can do to protect themselves once provocateurs come in and start shit like this?

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:20:51pm

re: #249 Jebediah, RBG

He’s a god damn adult. He and he alone is responsible for his shitty opinions.

Oh I agree. I never wanted to broach the subject directly…so I’ll hint. I think there might be a bit of an iron fist rule in the family…if you get my drift. Just a feeling I got and always had. It may be a self preservation thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:21:01pm
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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:22:09pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, sure, primary Mark Warner.

*eye roll*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:22:18pm

re: #337 Interesting Times

Fatass Fascist is bound to pull the same stunt in the US, so are there any guides on what peaceful protesters can do to protect themselves once provocateurs come in and start shit like this?

nothing. once it gets going, it turns into a media clusterfuck and nobody knows for sure who did what to whom.

sorry to be such a wet blanket, but I see it as just a matter of time before we see similar scenes in America…

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William Lewis  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:22:31pm

Anyone got a link to the Russian supported secessionist movement in California? I’d like to show it exists to someone.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:23:03pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

do we have a source for this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:24:24pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:25:34pm

Then there’s this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:25:46pm

re: #342 William Lewis

Anyone got a link to the Russian supported secessionist movement in California? I’d like to show it exists to someone.

they are just trying to recover Fort Ross…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:25:52pm

re: #343 Scottish Dragon

do we have a source for this?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:26:25pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Spicer apparently revealed the widow of the SEAL’s name.

WTF?!?

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:26:45pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was on TV

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:26:55pm

re: #345 Myron Falwell

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:27:48pm

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nothing. once it gets going, it turns into a media clusterfuck and nobody knows for sure who did what to whom.

sorry to be such a wet blanket, but I see it as just a matter of time before we see similar scenes in America…

Once again, we have to look to the Civil Rights marches of the 50s and 60s. It will require discipline and recognizing when people are not part of the actual group.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:28:30pm

re: #340 Timothy Watson

Yeah, sure, primary Mark Warner.

*eye roll*

Could say the same thing about Manchin, that’s about as liberal a Democrat as you’re going to be able to elect in West (by GAWD) Virginia.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:28:54pm

this is fine

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:29:15pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Spicer apparently revealed the widow of the SEAL’s name.

Remember when the GOP wanted Obama impeached for mentioning that the SEALs were involved in the mission to kill Osama bin Laden?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:29:39pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmm. As long as no photos of Trump over the casket, etc, I’m not going to protest on this one.

If we see footage of Trump making his usual word salad comments over the body of a serviceman…I will plaster that shit on every veteran’s twitter feed and FB page I see.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:31:37pm

re: #352 KGxvi

Could say the same thing about Manchin, that’s about as liberal a Democrat as you’re going to be able to elect in West (by GAWD) Virginia.

Also, too, Heitkamp is from North Dakota… how well you think a more liberal Democrat is going to do there next time around?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:31:51pm

re: #352 KGxvi

Could say the same thing about Manchin, that’s about as liberal a Democrat as you’re going to be able to elect in West (by GAWD) Virginia.

Yeah, but Warner has more money than God and Democrats who are loyal to him because he was the first Democratic governor since Wilder.

(I’ve, personally, never liked the guy. He talks a lot without saying anything if that makes sense.)

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:33:19pm

I suspect Virginia will do better than Warner in the not too distant future.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:33:34pm

Despite local GOP objections:

City Cincinnati officially cast votes making Cincinnati a sanctuary city, a decision that came after almost two hours of public comment on both sides of the issue.

The designation makes clear Cincinnati police won’t enforce federal immigration laws against people here illegally.

At least 150 packed into council chambers to watch the vote.

One supporter sang America the Beautiful, another said she was a young professional to whom this issue is important. Another called it a “humanitarian issue.”

Opponents cheered when President Donald Trump’s name was mentioned. One shouted, “Follow the law.” Anderson Township Trustee Andrew Pappas, a Republican, urged the city not to jeopardize federal funding.

The first speaker called council supporters “traitors.”

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The vote came in at 6-2, with council Republicans Amy Murray and Charlie Winburn against the idea. Councilman Christopher Smitherman was excused from the meeting. He told The Enquirer Tuesday he had planned to abstain.

“It is only right and just we stand with and in solidarity with refugees we agreed to take in,” Cranley said.

Winburn proposed an amendment that would take the words sanctuary city out of the resolution, which Young rejected.

“Cincinnati has a history of being a sanctuary for over 200 years; the prime example is the Underground Railroad,” Young said.

“This is about freedom,” Councilman P.G. Sittenfeld said.

“I regret we even need this legislation,” Councilwoman Yvette Simpson said.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:34:17pm

re: #355 Scottish Dragon

Hmm. As long as no photos of Trump over the casket, etc, I’m not going to protest on this one.

If we see footage of Trump making his usual word salad comments over the body of a serviceman…I will plaster that shit on every veteran’s twitter feed and FB page I see.

As long as I don’t see any photos, I am not saying anything. Obama visited Dover on several occasions for the same purpose, although I don’t remember his administration ever intentionally leaking the story to the media for political points.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:35:23pm

re: #357 Timothy Watson

Yeah, but Warner has more money than God and Democrats who are loyal to him because he was the first Democratic governor since Wilder.

(I’ve, personally, never liked the guy. He talks a lot without saying anything if that makes sense.)

I’ve I were a Senator, I’d vote against Tillerson, no question about it. But I don’t really blame Democrats in very red states or in toss up states for voting for him. The Republicans had the votes to confirm, this gives them an opportunity to go back home in 2 years (I’m guessing they’re all up for reelection next time?) and say to plenty of people who voted for them and for Trump, “see, I was willing to work with the president in some cases”

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:36:13pm

re: #358 Belafon

I suspect Virginia will do better than Warner in the not too distant future.

Yeah, a swing of 17,727 votes in 2014 and you could have had Ed Gillespie who has gotten over a hundred thousand dollars from DeVos and her family.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:36:15pm

Husband and i were talking to our boys last night and they asked why all of this was happening. Husband said, “This is the final battle of old white people trying to hold back the ocean. Their world is almost gone and this is their last stand.” (present Lizardim excepted from this).

He’s right and that idea gives me a lot of will to fight. When I feel defeated I remind myself that this is it. They’re throwing everything at us because it’s about to be over. They’re doing their best to put in changes to make it not over but we’ll end up reversing them in the end. They may win for a couple of years but it’s all going to end eventually. They’re facing the ticking of the clock of mortality and the younger generation just isn’t that into them.

So, we keep fighting, even though we’ll lose more than win, because we’re the future. We’re showing what the future WILL be. And in the end, there’s nothing they can really do to stop it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:37:27pm

re: #353 Myron Falwell

this is fine

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Trump is depending on the United States being indispensable for every other nation we trade or ally with. Or if not indispensable, at least THE MOST IMPORTANT partner. He expects to be able to use this as leverage, which is why he wants bilateral trade deals - he only wants to deal from advantage.

But, you know, other leaders aren’t stupid. The question is, how long will it take for the rest of the world to decide that they can get along without us, and we should just go fuck ourselves. Trump got himself to the point where no US banks would touch him. He had to go to Deutsche Bank and the Russians. But there isn’t another world for him to go to if everyone else gets together.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:41:29pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:44:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:44:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:45:35pm

Woo hoo. Two factor signin is working!

Now all I have to do is create the interface to let you set it up, and choose whether you want to get the verification code with a text message or use an authenticator app.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:46:42pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:46:46pm
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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:46:54pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s not going to like that, the EU’s economy is slightly bigger than ours, he won’t be negotiating from a position of “strength”

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

Facebook Post

PRIMARY MARK WARNER!1!!

Goddammit, this shit has gotten me to the point where I’m defending Mark Warner.

Fuck, fuck, fuck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:47:54pm

re: #351 Belafon

Once again, we have to look to the Civil Rights marches of the 50s and 60s. It will require discipline and recognizing when people are not part of the actual group.

except that as soon as there is one fatality, there is going to be a media and twitter shitstorm the likes of which we have never seen…news is going to get buried in the shouting, fake reports and conspiracy theories will get tossed about to make Pizzagate look like Dilbert comic strip and there is only one winner in a scenario like that

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:49:07pm
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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:50:23pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

What happened with Spicer and the SEAL’s family? I cannot find anything on Google without watching him speak for 40 minutes - which I would rather not do. Can you give me a quick overview?

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:50:59pm

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

except that as soon as there is one fatality, there is going to be a media and twitter shitstorm the likes of which we have never seen…news is going to get buried in the shouting, fake reports and conspiracy theories will get tossed about to make Pizzagate look like Dilbert comic strip and there is only one winner in a scenario like that

And other than the internet, that’s different from the 50s how?

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:52:30pm
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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:53:45pm

As I have not yet seen this in the comments, for our Nebraska, and Flag Display, contingent.

(And if I missed a previous posting, my apologies to the poster.)

Nebraska flag flew upside down at Capitol for 10 days and ‘nobody noticed,’ says senator who wants design change

omaha.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:54:01pm

re: #376 Belafon

And other than the internet, that’s different from the 50s how?

the Internet and the fact that there were news media networks back then with some sense of integrity and standards.

Chaos favors Trump and chaos is easy to create in our modern overheated climate of discourse.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:55:22pm

Just got a sublet. Know what that means?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:56:07pm

re: #378 ckkatz

As I have not yet seen this in the comments, for our Nebraska, and Flag Display, contingent.

(And if I missed a previous posting, my apologies to the poster.)

Nebraska flag flew upside down at Capitol for 10 days and ‘nobody noticed,’ says senator who wants design change

omaha.com

Change the motto “Equality before the law” to “Quality before Law”. It would better fit today’s politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:57:41pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:57:41pm

Are You all as shocked as I am?

P.S. I’m not shocked at all.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:57:56pm

re: #377 Kragar

You’d think, if nothing else, that there’d be at least one ad on Craigslist that they could point to

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BlueGrl21  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:58:58pm

Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner telling Texas Governor Greg Abbott to go fuck himself.

“(The Houston Police Department) is not the Immigration and Naturalization Service. We don’t profile, and we are not going to start profiling people to determine whether they are here illegally. It hasn’t happened under previous mayors, and it will not happen under my administration.”

Greg is learning trying to control Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin is not going to end well for him.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 1:59:27pm
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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:00:41pm

re: #385 BlueGrl21

Greg is learning trying to control Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin is not going to end well for him.

Seems like when Republicans talk about local control on issues what they mean by “local” is “the highest office controlled by Republicans.”

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:02:21pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine the shit storm if the EU called California to negotiate a deal.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:02:28pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

The question is, what becomes Trump’s endgame? Humiliation off of the world stage? That would imply that he has a sense of shame.

There’s only one other option, and it has him bombing the shit out of any enemies.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:03:40pm

re: #383 GlutenFreeJesus

I almost misread that as Heil.

Which wouldn’t be that far off, honestly.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:04:06pm

re: #383 GlutenFreeJesus

No surprise at all. There is someone who would definitely be a ‘good American’ if it ever comes to death camps here.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:05:14pm

re: #388 Belafon

Imagine the shit storm if the EU called California to negotiate a deal.

Heck, the EU could tease the admission of California as a member just to really get into the right’s heads. //

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:06:56pm

re: #391 EPR-radar

No surprise at all. There is someone who would definitely be a ‘good American’ if it ever comes to death camps here.

I’m pretty sure he in fact outright said so here once.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:06:59pm

re: #392 Myron Falwell

Heck, the EU could tease the admission of California as a member just to really get into the right’s heads. //

and start a new currency: the Californeuro

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ericblair  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:07:34pm

re: #377 Kragar

Russian TV claimed the protesters were getting $2k to show up, which means the DC protest alone cost Soros ~$1 Billion

Same projection shit that the Republicans use. The Russian government cannot understand a protest that is not sponsored by some government or billionaire, and they themselves pay protesters to protest (like the anti-Maidan “movement”), so the only way they can process this is that some power person is paying people. Although they only pay around 500 rubles (like 8 bucks), so there are probably a substantial number of Russians trying to get visas to the US to protest if the money’s that good.

I’m a Yank living overseas. The protests get a lot of coverage around the world, and if you’re protesting, the most powerful, effective diplomatic presence to the rest of the world is YOU. The world understands good populaces protesting shit governments, and they will understand that Trump is not us. Tonight it’s the Romanians, too. They all get it.

Also remember, modern authoritarian regimes consider mass protests an existential threat. Authoritarian governments rely on the population being atomized, gaslighted and demoralized, with the only interrelationships being managed through the government. If you keep a power base outside, and show each other you are not alone, you all saw the government lie to you, and you can keep each other going, they will not win.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:08:29pm

re: #395 ericblair

Same projection shit that the Republicans use. The Russian government cannot understand a protest that is not sponsored by some government or billionaire, and they pay protesters to protest (like the anti-Maidan crap), so the only way they can process this is that some power person is paying people. Although they only pay around 500 rubles (like 8 bucks), so there are probably a substantial number of Russians trying to get visas to the US to protest if the money’s that good.

I’m a Yank living overseas. The protests get a lot of coverage around the world, and if you’re protesting, the most powerful, effective diplomatic presence to the rest of the world is YOU. The world understands good populaces protesting shit governments. Tonight it’s the Romanians, too.

Also remember, modern authoritarian regimes consider mass protests an existential threat. Authoritarian governments rely on the population being atomized, gaslighted and demoralized, with the only interrelationships being managed through the government. If you keep a power base outside, and show each other you are not alone, you all saw the government lie to you, and you can keep each other going, they will not win.

All the more reasons to keep protesting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:08:40pm

re: #389 Myron Falwell

The question is, what becomes Trump’s endgame? Humiliation off of the world stage? That would imply that he has a sense of shame.

There’s only one other option, and it has him bombing the shit out of any enemies.

Dunno. But the best read of him is that he sees everything as Dominate or Submit. Knowing this is why I’m almost certain Russia has something intolerably bad on him, because he’s not the sort to be so obviously owned, otherwise.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:08:54pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:09:11pm

re: #396 klys (maker of Silmarils)

All the more reasons to keep protesting.

To bankrupt Soros?

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:09:14pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:09:47pm

re: #383 GlutenFreeJesus

Are You all as shocked as I am?

P.S. I’m not shocked at all.

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So Dark is a strict Constitutionalist.

He just admitted he doesn’t believe in the law, he wants a strong leader type and everyone needs to buckle. Some conservative.

It also puts paid to him lying about never voting for Trump, he would just not vote. Now we know why he split…he knows he is in the wrong and he doesn’t want the push back.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:10:03pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It makes sense if you believe Trump is a Putin stooge, trying to pick apart the EU by enticing them with offers of “bilateral trade deals” that will spark contention between those states that get in good with his administration and those that tell him to piss off.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:11:05pm

re: #398 Jebediah, RBG

“Monday Night Massacre”, Hell! Sally Yates was given orders and refused to follow them. President Trump was right to can her.

Someone should refer DF to Jeff Sessions’ question to Yates during her confirmation.

Oh, and fuck DF. If he never darkens our doorway again, good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:11:11pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

It makes sense if you believe Trump is a Putin stooge, trying to pick apart the EU by enticing them with offers of “bilateral trade deals” that will spark contention between those states that get in good with his administration and those that tell him to piss off.

I can only assume it is because they are that clueless that they do not understand what the EU is about when it comes to trade…

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:11:14pm

re: #398 Jebediah, RBG

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Shit, as someone who follows military history, I would think Dark would know that “I was just following orders” did not stop many Germans from prison sentences or dates with the gallows.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:11:18pm

re: #387 KGxvi

Seems like when Republicans talk about local control on issues what they mean by “local” is “the highest office controlled by Republicans.”

The cities and their mayors all over the country are leading the way right now. They’re creating more and more sanctuary cities and speaking out against Trump and flat-out defying orders. Congressional Democrats need to keep up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:11:49pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone should refer DF to Jeff Sessions’ question to Yates during her confirmation.

Oh, and fuck DF. If he never darkens our doorway again, good.

His true colors came out. I was just annoyed at how long he dithered and dissembled when it came to supporting Trump.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:12:52pm

re: #398 Jebediah, RBG

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Tweet him for us and tell him to come back and say that shit like a man.

Oh wait…

(Grrrrr. And here I thought he had a good bone in him. Wrong again.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:14:50pm

re: #407 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His true colors came out. I was just annoyed at how long he dithered and dissembled when it came to supporting Trump.

“Partei, partei uber alles!
“Uber alles in der Welt!”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:15:42pm

Gonna

WTF asshole.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:16:55pm

We all knew he was going to be a Trump supporter, that all the “NeverTrump” business was horseshit. Just like how he swore he wouldn’t support Willard right up until the nomination, at which point he became a booster for him. The idea that Dark had any measure of independence from his party was always a joke. He might as well have “Property of the RNC” tattooed on his forehead.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:16:57pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone should refer DF to Jeff Sessions’ question to Yates during her confirmation.

Oh, and fuck DF. If he never darkens our doorway again, good.

He doesn’t have the guts to come back here. It is telling why he left. He couldn’t stand to hide it anymore. Trump was his chance to be what he wanted to be.

And with that later. Got to cool down a bit. I know I shouldn’t take it this way, but Dark just struck another blow in my belief in fellow man. Lurk mode on…

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:18:42pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, and yes.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:19:32pm

re: #405 Targetpractice

Right. So did he think they were unfairly railroaded?

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:19:50pm

re: #392 Myron Falwell

Heck, the EU could tease the admission of California as a member just to really get into the right’s heads. //

The idea of suddenly having an EU passport might make me reconsider my position on secession.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:22:08pm

re: #415 KGxvi

The idea of suddenly having an EU passport might make me reconsider my position on secession.

I would finally apply for EU citizenship. I have been here for over 25 years and the idea has not entered my head. Not even after Nov 8th…but the way things are going I guess I need to look into what that process would involve.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:23:09pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:23:34pm

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ultimately, I would not be surprised to see Tamron and others (Rachel? Laurence? Joy?) leave broadcast television entirely for the world of digital a la Keith Olbermann’s GQ alliance.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:24:48pm

This Patton Oswald post on Facebook is just….

The fuck is wrong with people?

Facebook Post

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:25:35pm

re: #414 Jebediah, RBG

Right. So did he think they were unfairly railroaded?

This is, as far as I can find, the oath taken by Attorneys General and their deputies:

“I (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So
help me God.”

It is an oath to defend the Constitution, not an oath of loyalty to the President. They serve ‘at the President’s pleasure’, but they do not take an oath to do whatever he says, legal or not.

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:26:01pm

re: #53 Sir John Barron

Are the callers are out of state agitators paid by George Soros.

///

60% (out of state callers) seems to be the going talking point.

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DuckDharma  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:26:19pm

And not fucking helping anything

fox2detroit.com

DETROIT (WJBK) - The leader of a mosque in Dearborn has confirmed to FOX 2 that a man who claimed his mother died in Iraq after being barred from returning to the United States under a ban instituted by President Trump this weekend, lied to FOX 2 about when her death occurred.

Imam Husham Al-Hussainy, leader of the Karbalaa Islamic Educational Center in Dearborn, says Mike Hager’s mom did not pass away this weekend after being barred from traveling to the United States. The Imam confirms that Hager’s mother died before the ban was put in place.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:26:48pm

re: #415 KGxvi

The idea of suddenly having an EU passport might make me reconsider my position on secession.

Yeah, I’m still here.

Please don’t take this wrong as it is not totally aimed at you.

I am sick of the secession talk.

It pisses me off that some Americans seem to be willing to let other Americans behind. To me that is unAmerican just like some of the shit we hate.

Please stop it. To me it shows a lack of spine and a wiling to fight for what is right.

It is cut and run and leave those good people in “fly over country” behind.

It is the path of least resistance and a fuck-others over attitude. It fucking sucks.

There I said my piece and now I am really pissed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:26:59pm

re: #419 makeitstop

This Patton Oswald post on Facebook is just….

The fuck is wrong with people?

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thank you for reminding me why I will not touch Twitter with a ten-foot pole…

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:27:14pm

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would finally apply for EU citizenship. I have been here for over 25 years and the idea has not entered my head. Not even after Nov 8th…but the way things are going I guess I need to look into what that process would involve.

Technically, you have to apply for citizenship in the country where you’re living. It’s just that the EU members have a common passport that makes moving between member nations a lot easier.

When I was in law school, I actually wrote a paper on the EU and whether it should be considered a nation state, was planning on submitting it to some law reviews and legal journals but about two weeks after the semester ended, a treaty fell through and made a lot of my arguments somewhat invalid. The EU looks, acts, and talks a lot like a nation state, but everyone has kind of agreed to ignore that it does so that the individual members don’t lose their status as nation states.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:30:10pm

re: #425 KGxvi

Technically, you have to apply for citizenship in the country where you’re living. It’s just that the EU members have a common passport that makes moving between member nations a lot easier.

I am aware of such a nuance. I am a permanent resident here in Germany from having been married to an EU citizen and having kids here.

My expat US buddy did that some years back for professional reasons: he had job offers in Ireland and Finland, as a US citizen, he would have had to re-apply for work and residence permits each time he moved.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:30:36pm

re: #423 ObserverArt

Last night, in talking with someone who wants to leave the US at this point, I pushed back hard.

I mean, sure. I could leave. mr. klys and I have the resources and the skills that we could move. Where, I’m not sure, but it’s doable.

But what about my sisters? My family? My friends? My best friend is hoping to get married soon. To her girlfriend. Another is due any day, and has a three year old boy with autism.

This fight isn’t just about me.
And to give up because I’m tired or frustrated or feel like it’s going nowhere …that’s giving up on an awful lot of people who aren’t as fortunate as I am. And I want to think I am a better human being than that.

So I take care of myself, so I don’t burn out, and I’m fighting back. And I am being relentless against despair because that is one of the battles that I can fight.

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:32:24pm

re: #424 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

thank you for reminding me why I will not touch Twitter with a ten-foot pole…

Me neither, man. I set up an account a couple of years ago and I’ve never sent out a single tweet.

I hear enough from fellow Lizards about what a cesspool it is. I have a bad enough time putting up with the stupid shit I see on Facebook.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:33:27pm

re: #427 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, I am getting really sick of the “burn it down” shit. I had enough of it from the BernieBusters last year so my patience is running pretty thin right now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:33:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:34:02pm

re: #398 Jebediah, RBG

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Now you know why he thinks Bork got a bad deal. Good riddance to him. My problem with him isn’t his ideology. It’s his inability to consider there are other people than privileged Cook County heterosexual white Republican males like himself.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:34:17pm

re: #415 KGxvi

The idea of suddenly having an EU passport might make me reconsider my position on secession.

I was kinda saying that in jest. Gov. Jerry Brown could purposefully take such an idea and run with it as a mind game against Trump. But that’s about it… they’ll have more than enough fights to tend to with DC.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:34:24pm

re: #420 Blind Frog Belly White

This is, as far as I can find, the oath taken by Attorneys General and their deputies:

It is an oath to defend the Constitution, not an oath of loyalty to the President. They serve ‘at the President’s pleasure’, but they do not take an oath to do whatever he says, legal or not.

Fun fact: every lawyer, when they become a member of a bar, takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

Lest we forget, the line “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” was uttered by a villain.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:35:53pm

re: #420 Blind Frog Belly White

And even if their oath didn’t specifically mention it, wouldn’t the Constitution always be more important than any President? (the man, not the office.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:36:03pm

re: #433 KGxvi

Fun fact: every lawyer, when they become a member of a bar, takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

Lest we forget, the line “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” was uttered by a villain.

It’s trendy to hate on lawyers. Until you need one.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:36:44pm

re: #435 HappyWarrior

It’s trendy to hate on lawyers. Until you need one.

I’ve spent enough time around lawyers, I fully understand why we’re hated.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:37:17pm

re: #436 KGxvi

I’ve spent enough time around lawyers, I fully understand why we’re hated.

Heh I know.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:37:32pm

I find businessmen like Trump just as obnoxious thouh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

re: #434 Jebediah, RBG

And even if their oath didn’t specifically mention it, wouldn’t the Constitution always be more important than any President? (the man, not the office.)

True, but my point is that her duty was ALWAYS to the Constitution, NOT the President, and that DF’s ‘not doing her duty’ was inaccurate in the worst way possible.

And hey, if you want to call him Kurt Eichmann for me, knock yourself out!

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makeitstop  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:39:15pm

re: #427 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My wife and I have had that discussion a few times since the election. My wife has dual citizenship in Finland, and it would be easy enough to just go.

But I always come back to my counter-argument - that as bad as it might get here, we’d stand an equal chance of selling the house we love, getting rid of most of our possessions, and moving to another country (with all that that entails) only to end up having to fight the same fight there in a few years.

Besides, this is my home. I’m not going to let a few fascist assholes run me off. What kind of American would I be if I just gave it over to them?

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bratwurst  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:39:27pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

So the very same day an oil exec is put in charge of US foreign policy, the energy industry is no longer required to disclose payments to foreign governments?

What a coincidence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:40:44pm

re: #441 bratwurst

So the very same day an oil exec is put in charge of US foreign policy, the energy industry is no longer required to disclose payments to foreign governments?

What a coincidence.

Are they still required to disclose payments to US Cabinet Secretaries?

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:40:47pm

re: #427 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fuck the assholes, and fight them. They will not be allowed to turn our country into the shithole they envision. Fuck them. It may take a while, but we will once again not have to be embarrassed by our country or a wanna-be tyrant man-baby occupying the Oval Office.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:42:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:46:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:46:07pm

re: #443 Jebediah, RBG

Fuck the assholes, and fight them. They will not be allowed to turn our country into the shithole they envision. Fuck them. It may take a while, but we will once again not have to be embarrassed by our country or a wanna-be tyrant man-baby occupying the Oval Office.

I am concerned that if it’s not stopped here, where we have a Constitution that theoretically limits what he and his ilk can do, that no country will be any different. White supremacists are doing far too well all over Europe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:46:32pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:48:05pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:48:15pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:48:24pm

re: #423 ObserverArt

Almost everyone who holds public office in California is going to be against such referendums. I say almost because I’m not familiar with the state, but c’mon. Common sense has to be in play.

Gov. Jerry Brown is not naive. He sure as hell wouldn’t want to be in a nasty position presiding over a seceding state. He’ll be a constant and vocal opposition leader… but he has to believe that this country is worth saving if his passionate speeches against Trump are any indication.

It would ordinarily be a done deal. The concept of it shouldn’t make the ballot in the first place. The cost spent to defeat it — regardless of how much or how little — would be too much money and resources taken away from the fights that California will need to fight anyway.

Preventing such a folly from making the ballot would, in fact, be a very tangible defeat against Putin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:48:44pm

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Hey, (insert name of fictional character) is white! Get over it!”

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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:48:58pm

Looks like Ollie’s back!

Ollie is a bobcat that escaped from the National Zoo in DC a couple of days ago. With lots of comments about having been ‘grabbed’ and about ‘another Federal worker leaving’. With all the traffic and pets down there, I am glad that she survived.

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:49:09pm

Apparently Lindsey is suffering short term memory loss.

I keep hoping against hope that he’ll see the light an flip on DeVos, but the realist in me knows it’s not gong to happen.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:50:59pm

re: #452 ckkatz

Looks like Ollie’s back!

Ollie is a bobcat that escaped from the National Zoo in DC a couple of days ago. With lots of comments about having been ‘grabbed’ and about ‘another Federal worker leaving’. With all the traffic and pets down there, I am glad that she survived.

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Drats, I wanted my very own bobcat. :(

If I go down to Hampton Roads, maybe I can grab that red panda that’s still missing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:51:07pm

re: #453 BeachDem

Apparently Lindsey is suffering short term memory loss.

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I keep hoping against hope that he’ll see the light an flip on DeVos, but the realist in me knows it’s not gong to happen.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend may occasionally be useful.

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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:51:08pm

re: #423 ObserverArt

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:51:36pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:51:37pm

re: #433 KGxvi

Fun fact: every lawyer, when they become a member of a bar, takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

Lest we forget, the line “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” was uttered by a villain.

And about someone who wasn’t a lawyer at all — his crime was that he could read and write. (Never underestimate Shakespeare’s subtlety.)

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bratwurst  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:52:19pm

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:52:37pm

re: #446 Blind Frog Belly White

I find it weird that it seems to have sprouted up nearly simultaneously in so many places. Strengthens my conviction that we are in fact a computer simulation and somebody let some 4chan asshole tweak some parameters….

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Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:53:35pm

re: #427 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Last night, in talking with someone who wants to leave the US at this point, I pushed back hard.

I mean, sure. I could leave. mr. klys and I have the resources and the skills that we could move. Where, I’m not sure, but it’s doable.

But what about my sisters? My family? My friends? My best friend is hoping to get married soon. To her girlfriend. Another is due any day, and has a three year old boy with autism.

This fight isn’t just about me.
And to give up because I’m tired or frustrated or feel like it’s going nowhere …that’s giving up on an awful lot of people who aren’t as fortunate as I am. And I want to think I am a better human being than that.

So I take care of myself, so I don’t burn out, and I’m fighting back. And I am being relentless against despair because that is one of the battles that I can fight.

I view it as a harmless fantasy of “getting away from it all,” like imagining being offered a berth on the Enterprise (which I would take, and the hell with everyone’s Terrestrial problems).

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:54:40pm

re: #460 Jebediah, RBG

I find it weird that it seems to have sprouted up nearly simultaneously in so many places. Strengthens my conviction that we are in fact a computer simulation and somebody let some 4chan asshole tweak some parameters….

I never saw the Matrix, so I’m ill-prepared to make a bad joke referencing the film.

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garzooma  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:55:59pm

re: #167 lawhawk

FYI:

[Man who claimed mom died in Iraq lied, Imam confirms]

Fox is saying he lied. Here’s the Boston Herald report talking about him when he arrived at Logan:

Mike Hager, another U.S. citizen from Iraq, said he arrived without problems from a visit to see his dying mother there, but his family was turned back in Iraq, even though they all have green cards.

“Now I’ve lost not only my mother, but my two brothers, my sister and my nieces and nephews,” said Hager, 36, of Detroit.

So Fox is saying he told them his mother was with the family after he told the Boston Herald that she wasn’t.

But of course Fox wouldn’t cruelly call a muslim who just lost his mother a liar just to cover up their own screw-up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:56:03pm

re: #454 Timothy Watson

Drats, I wanted my very own bobcat. :(

If I go down to Hampton Roads, maybe I can grab that red panda that’s still missing.

I’ve seen 2 in the wild. One was while hunting pigs near Santa Maria. It* was studiously watching a colony of ground squirrels and let me get within 40 yards. I just stood there, watching it watching them, for a good couple minutes.

The other time, I saw one running across the road just off 280 in Hillsborough. My first thought - “Dog. Funny lookin’ dog. Cat? BIG cat. High butt. Short tail…BOBCAT!”

*I say ‘it’ rather than he or she, because ‘Bob’ could be short for Robert or Roberta.
//

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:56:59pm

re: #433 KGxvi

Fun fact: every lawyer, when they become a member of a bar, takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

Lest we forget, the line “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers” was uttered by a villain.

Lawyers are having a good week. Don’t abuse it.

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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:57:22pm

re: #454 Timothy Watson

Drats, I wanted my very own bobcat. :(

If I go down to Hampton Roads, maybe I can grab that red panda that’s still missing.

And, I understand, that there are also released alligators down that way.

Although, apparently it is illegal to own alligators as pets in Virginia. (Requires a special permit) Fairfax County Animal Control confiscated one a couple of weeks ago.

Not sure about Red Panda’s tho’ :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:58:23pm

re: #460 Jebediah, RBG

I find it weird that it seems to have sprouted up nearly simultaneously in so many places. Strengthens my conviction that we are in fact a computer simulation and somebody let some 4chan asshole tweak some parameters….

Monkey see, monkey do. Plus Putin and Wikileaks are on the case. White Supremacists everywhere want their Clash Of Civilizations with the Swarthy Foreigners.

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Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 2:59:54pm

re: #450 Myron Falwell

Last I heard, feeling in favor of secession in CA was about 33% — compared to 22% for the rest of the US. So I wouldn’t expect to see much action on the point. Anyway, we’re too busy opposing DT and all his works.

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:00:28pm

I just had an enormously frustrating time trying to seat a tubeless bicycle tire. NOW I’m mad.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:02:13pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

If they get it, it may not end up going the way they expect - and then who will cry for the poor defeated white supremacists? Not me.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:02:19pm

re: #423 ObserverArt

Yeah, I’m still here.

Please don’t take this wrong as it is not totally aimed at you.

I am sick of the secession talk.

It pisses me off that some Americans seem to be willing to let other Americans behind. To me that is unAmerican just like some of the shit we hate.

Please stop it. To me it shows a lack of spine and a wiling to fight for what is right.

It is cut and run and leave those good people in “fly over country” behind.

It is the path of least resistance and a fuck-others over attitude. It fucking sucks.

There I said my piece and now I am really pissed.

Secession also makes no sense for the state that would be leaving, even if it were possible. For example, the result of Calexit would be that CA is right next to a heavily armed super power run by maniacs that despise CA and everything it stands for. That would not end well for CA.

IMO secession talk on the left is Russian psyops.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:02:59pm

re: #468 Puss Power

Last I heard, feeling in favor of secession in CA was about 33% — compared to 22% for the rest of the US. So I wouldn’t expect to see much action on the point. Anyway, we’re too busy opposing DT and all his works.

From your lips to [insert higher power or whatever authority of your choice here]’s ears.

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:04:20pm
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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:04:45pm

re: #472 Myron Falwell

Reminder:

Person behind Calexit is a Russian provocateur.

Who benefits? Not California and certainly not the US.

Russia, on the other hand, would benefit nicely from the chaos.

A former right-wing activist from Buffalo, New York, Marinelli first moved to Russia almost a decade ago. He studied at St. Petersburg State University, the alma mater of Russian President Vladimir Putin. He returned to the United States to campaign against LGBTQ rights as part of the National Organization for Marriage.

Marinelli then returned to Russia. He would marry a Russian citizen, and the couple moved to San Diego, where Marinelli launched a political career based on a platform of California secession.

“I immigrated to California, and I consider myself to be a Californian,” Marinelli says from his apartment in Yekaterinburg, a city of about 1.4 million just east of the Ural Mountains and about 1,000 miles from Moscow.

In an interview with The California Report, Marinelli confirms he’s living and working in Russia as a teacher.

“I wanted to handle some personal issues in my family, regarding immigration,” Marinelli explains of his long stay in Russia. “My wife is from Russia. I’m here handling various personal issues. But at the same time, we have some political goals we can achieve while I’m here.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:04:45pm

re: #469 wrenchwench

Yeah, for at least this lifetime, I’m sticking with tubes.

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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:06:01pm

re: #474 lawhawk

Reminder:

Person behind Calexit is a Russian provocateur.

Who benefits? Not California and certainly not the US.

Russia, on the other hand, would benefit nicely from the chaos.

As a Californian, no one I know would ever take that seriously and I haven’t even heard it discussed. Not going to happen.

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Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:06:07pm

re: #472 Myron Falwell

From your lips to [insert higher power or whatever authority of your choice here]’s ears.

I just got an email advertising an “Here to Stay, Here to Resist” solidarity rally in SF later this week. (Am I bad for not wanting to go to more than two rallies a week?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:07:17pm

re: #464 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve seen 2 in the wild. One was while hunting pigs near Santa Maria. It* was studiously watching a colony of ground squirrels and let me get within 40 yards. I just stood there, watching it watching them, for a good couple minutes.

The other time, I saw one running across the road just off 280 in Hillsborough. My first thought - “Dog. Funny lookin’ dog. Cat? BIG cat. High butt. Short tail…BOBCAT!”

*I say ‘it’ rather than he or she, because ‘Bob’ could be short for Robert or Roberta.
//

We have a very large bobcat population here (the adjacent holler is known as Cat Hollow).
They are extremely vocal at night.
Once night a few years ago we heard a ruckus outside. Next morning we found huge piles of deer hair in the driveway. No carcass, just piles and piles of hair.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:07:31pm

Secession is a silly distraction. That’s why Russian Psyop makes sense - it would make California and the Left look silly and unserious.

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Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:07:32pm

re: #476 calochortus

As a Californian, no one I know would ever take that seriously and I haven’t even heard it discussed. Not going to happen.

I’ve seen it discussed. Frivolously, as I said — an escape valve, not a proposal.

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:08:22pm

re: #475 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, for at least this lifetime, I’m sticking with tubes.

I pulled out all my tricks. To no avail. The guy was nice about it, took it away in its flat condition. The front was easy. Same rim, tire and sealer. So why was the rear so difficult? We will never know. He’s going back to Colorado, where babies can seat tubeless tires, I guess.

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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:08:29pm

re: #473 Kragar

Jesus. How bad are you when Reddit blows you away?

A: Really, really, really, really, really bad.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:10:06pm

re: #474 lawhawk

Reminder:

Person behind Calexit is a Russian provocateur.

Who benefits? Not California and certainly not the US.

Russia, on the other hand, would benefit nicely from the chaos.

That’s why it MUST NOT MAKE THE BALLOT. Putting it on there will unnecessarily drain California of money and resources and set up a possibility (however remote) of a Brexit fiasco.

Preventing it from getting to the ballot is more of a victory for us that one would think.

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:10:39pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have a very large bobcat population here (the adjacent holler is known as Cat Hollow).
They are extremely vocal at night.
Once night a few years ago we heard a ruckus outside. Next morning we found huge piles of deer hair in the driveway. No carcass, just piles and piles of hair.

Two weeks ago, somebody called in a cougar to the Fish and Wildlife people. They went and looked. Bobcat and four kittens. No cougar.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:12:13pm

re: #480 Puss Power

I’ve seen it discussed. Frivolously, as I said — an escape valve, not a proposal.

I’ve read there’s an effort to get CA secession onto the ballot here, so it not just at the level of people randomly bullshitting at the bar.

Although lots of total bullshit gets onto ballots in CA, it might actually do surprisingly well if Republican ratfuckers and dimwits from other parties dominate the voting.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:13:16pm

re: #456 MsJ

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:13:42pm

re: #483 Myron Falwell

That’s why it MUST NOT MAKE THE BALLOT. Putting it on there will unnecessarily drain California of money and resources and set up a possibility (however remote) of a Brexit fiasco.

Preventing it from getting to the ballot is more of a victory for us that one would think.

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:14:21pm
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ckkatz  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:15:12pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have a very large bobcat population here (the adjacent holler is known as Cat Hollow).
They are extremely vocal at night.
Once night a few years ago we heard a ruckus outside. Next morning we found huge piles of deer hair in the driveway. No carcass, just piles and piles of hair.

I have not blessed with seeing a bobcat in the wild.

Until recently I had not seen many wild turkeys. They are certainly making a comeback.

Last time I was out deer hunting I ended up seeing a flock of wild turkeys and later a fox kit playing along an embankment.

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:15:12pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

So the press couldn’t get an embarrassing photograph again.

You mean like this one?? ( I LOVE this photo)

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:15:29pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

Didn’t they stop the “kill the gays” referendum from appearing on the ballot?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:15:46pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

How many signatures do they claim to have vs. the required amount?

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:16:55pm

re: #476 calochortus

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stpaulbear  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:18:03pm

re: #412 ObserverArt

He doesn’t have the guts to come back here. It is telling why he left. He couldn’t stand to hide it anymore. Trump was his chance to be what he wanted to be.

And with that later. Got to cool down a bit. I know I shouldn’t take it this way, but Dark just struck another blow in my belief in fellow man. Lurk mode on…

I don’t miss him at all, but I’m wondering if DF is going to end up feeling like the dog that caught the car (his daddy’s car at that).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:20:13pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

Seriously.

Reminder that we routinely see a HUGE number of ballot measures. On any variety of topics, from serious to incredibly stupid.

I mean, we did at least manage to keep the “kill the gays” measure off the ballot last year, so there was that accomplishment, but that required the intervention of the courts.

From an article on that:

In California any citizen can file a proposed ballot measure for a $200 fee - although state legislators are in the process of increasing the cost. The attorney general is then charged with creating a title and 100-word summary for the measure so that signatures can be gathered. Harris filed a motion earlier this spring asking to be excused from moving the Sodomite Suppression Act to the signature-gathering phase, where it would have needed to collect more than 350,000 supporters in 180 days to make it on to the November ballot.

Historically California judges have been hesitant to step into the initiative process, viewing it as the right of citizens to present ideas. When Harris filed her request asking for the court to intervene experts questioned whether she had legal standing to do so, although the violent nature of the proposal made it an extreme case. That made this week’s ruling somewhat unexpected and a possible precedent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:20:22pm

re: #489 ckkatz

I have not blessed with seeing a bobcat in the wild.

Until recently I had not seen many wild turkeys. They are certainly making a comeback.

Last time I was out deer hunting I ended up seeing a flock of wild turkeys and later a fox kit playing along an embankment.

wild turkeys pic I took a couple of winters ago:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:22:05pm

re: #492 Myron Falwell

How many signatures do they claim to have vs. the required amount?

They need 585,407. The organizers just got approval to collect signatures a couple of days ago.
lamag.com

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:23:38pm

re: #494 stpaulbear

I don’t miss him at all, but I’m wondering if DF is going to end up feeling like the dog that caught the car (his daddy’s car at that).

Seems unlikely. Every so often, the mask would slip here, revealing stone-cold sociopathy.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:23:47pm

The secession talk is just that, talk. The California AG probably wouldn’t allow it on the ballot as being facially unconstitutional. See Texas v. White 74 U.S. 700, 724-725:

Did Texas, in consequence of these acts, cease to be a State? Or, if not, did the State cease to be a member of the Union?

It is needless to discuss at length the question whether the right of a State to withdraw from the Union for any cause regarded by herself as sufficient is consistent with the Constitution of the United States.

The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.” It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government, by the States. Under the Articles of Confederation, each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right not expressly delegated to the United States. Under the Constitution, though the powers of the States were much restricted, still all powers not delegated to the United States nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. And we have already had occasion to remark at this term that the people of each State compose a State, having its own government, and endowed with all the functions essential to separate and independent existence, and that, “without the States in union, there could be no such political body as the United States.” [n12] Not only, therefore, can there be no loss of separate and independent autonomy to the States through their union under the Constitution, but it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.

tl;dr: once you’re in, you’re in.

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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:24:58pm

re: #486 ObserverArt

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Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:25:02pm

I support CA not sending our tax dollars to Trump if he plans to withhold those fund coming back to us.

Secession is just ridiculous.

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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:25:26pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

Tim Draper failed to get the “Six Californias” (dividing CA into 6 states) referendum onto the ballot. I don’t think secession will be more popular than that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:25:43pm

re: #489 ckkatz

I have not blessed with seeing a bobcat in the wild.

Until recently I had not seen many wild turkeys. They are certainly making a comeback.

Last time I was out deer hunting I ended up seeing a flock of wild turkeys and later a fox kit playing along an embankment.

Ooo, oo, I have! Once (maybe, might have been a lynx) in Yosemite and once at the Black Canyon of the Gunnison.

Second one I even had my camera!

Kitty!
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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:26:14pm

re: #501 Kragar

I support CA not sending our tax dollars to Trump if he plans to withhold those fund coming back to us.

Secession is just ridiculous.

Nullification talk isn’t much better than secession talk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:26:20pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:27:20pm

Also holy crap I have a lot of pictures in my image library.

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petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:27:22pm

A venture capitalist spent $500,000 a couple of years back on his gee-whiz proposal to split California in to SIX states, which would have run the gamut from richest in the nation to poorest. It would also require the US Congress to approve and was structured (IIRC) so that Republicans would likely have picked up 4 of the 6 Senate seats. But the good news is: He couldn’t even BUY the signatures. Never made the ballot.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:28:16pm

re: #507 petesh

A venture capitalist spent $500,000 a couple of years back on his gee-whiz proposal to split California in to SIX states, which would have run the gamut from richest in the nation to poorest. It would also require the US Congress to approve and was structured (IIRC) so that Republicans would likely have picked up 4 of the 6 Senate seats. But the good news is: He couldn’t even BUY the signatures. Never made the ballot.

Which is impressive when you consider ALL THE SHIT that does make it to the ballot.

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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:28:28pm

re: #507 petesh

That was Tim Draper with the 6 Californias.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:29:08pm

re: #490 BeachDem

You mean like this one?? ( I LOVE this photo)

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This photo of POTUS HughJass McTinyHands having his remaining three strands of hair messed up by the helicopter shall be a banner of the Resistance.

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MsJ  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:29:23pm

re: #501 Kragar

I support CA not sending our tax dollars to Trump if he plans to withhold those fund coming back to us.

Secession is just ridiculous.

I support ME not sending my tax dollars to line that fuck’s personal pockets. I may bitch about funding a war I don’t believe in. That’s a country. Putting my tax dollars I to his hotels and bullshit? Fuck that.

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petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:29:27pm

re: #509 calochortus

Right. Me slow typing!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:29:50pm
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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:30:47pm

re: #512 petesh

Right. Me slow typing!

Well, your response was more complete than mine, so slow typing is not the only reason it took you longer…

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:31:13pm

re: #507 petesh

A venture capitalist spent $500,000 a couple of years back on his gee-whiz proposal to split California in to SIX states, which would have run the gamut from richest in the nation to poorest. It would also require the US Congress to approve and was structured (IIRC) so that Republicans would likely have picked up 4 of the 6 Senate seats. But the good news is: He couldn’t even BUY the signatures. Never made the ballot.

This looks like it was an undercapitalized effort to me. $3M would probably have gotten it onto the ballot. You have to pay to play.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:32:58pm

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

wild turkeys pic I took a couple of winters ago:

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I have a brother that lives on the backside of Snow Trials (A little central Ohio Ski Hill…don’t tell Teleskidude…he’d laugh).

Anyway, in the mornings there is a flock of Turkeys that walk through his yard from the crest of the hill to the small creek down below his house. Turkeys make some big noise walking on brush and twigs. Sounds like a human is out there walking around.

When they raise up off their legs they can be quite tall. Big birds.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:33:08pm

re: #471 EPR-radar

Secession also makes no sense for the state that would be leaving, even if it were possible. For example, the result of Calexit would be that CA is right next to a heavily armed super power run by maniacs that despise CA and everything it stands for. That would not end well for CA.

IMO secession talk on the left is Russian psyops.

I’m glad Jerry Brown is governor instead of Ah-Nold. I hoped against hope that people would remember how that ass screwed California up and realize that Trump would fuck the whole country up the same way…

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petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:34:05pm

re: #515 EPR-radar

This looks like it was an undercapitalized effort to me. $3M would probably have gotten it onto the ballot. You have to pay to play.

You may be right. But the idea just wasn’t getting traction, partly because of the whole Congressional-permission problem.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:34:09pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:34:28pm

re: #517 Joe Bacon

I’m glad Jerry Brown is governor instead of Ah-Nold. I hoped against hope that people would remember how that ass screwed California up and realize that Trump would fuck the whole country up the same way…

CA voters did well in 2016. The voters in the upper Midwest are the most critical problem.

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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:34:51pm

re: #475 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, for at least this lifetime, I’m sticking with tubes.

Customer just came back and bought a tube!

Tee hee.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:34:54pm

re: #509 calochortus

That was Tim Draper with the 6 Californias.

Partition is one of those things that seems to come up in California once a generation or so. But once people think about it beyond 10 minutes, they realize it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:36:43pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:36:54pm

re: #522 KGxvi

Partition is one of those things that seems to come up in California once a generation or so. But once people think about it beyond 10 minutes, they realize it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

Republicans no longer being able to obstruct endlessly in the CA state legislature appears to have significantly alleviated almost every political problem here. They really are useless.

525
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:37:21pm

re: #516 ObserverArt

I have a brother that lives on the backside of Snow Trials (A little central Ohio Ski Hill…don’t tell Teleskidude…he’d laugh).

Anyway, in the mornings there is a flock of Turkeys that walk through his yard from the crest of the hill to the small creek down below his house. Turkeys make some big noise walking on brush and twigs. Sounds like a human is out there walking around.

When they raise up off their legs they can be quite tall. Big birds.

They can leave significant to your vehicle if you happen to hit one, too.
Don’t ask me how I know that…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:38:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:39:02pm

re: #523 Myron Falwell

Tanks and militarized armed vehicles at the north gate of the camp. Excessive force against Native people on Native treaty land.

Should have occupied a bird sanctuary.

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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:40:12pm

re: #522 KGxvi

Partition is one of those things that seems to come up in California once a generation or so. But once people think about it beyond 10 minutes, they realize it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

Yeah, the “State of Jefferson” folks have been carrying on for several years because their interests aren’t being properly represented, but practically speaking, it ain’t gonna happen.

It always makes me wonder about the people who think the electoral college protects a state’s interests. Other than slavery, for which it was created (and is obviously no longer relevant,) I have yet to figure out what specific interest any entire state has that is radically different from the interests of people in other states.

529
petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:40:35pm

re: #524 EPR-radar

Republicans no longer being able to obstruct endlessly in the CA state legislature appears to have significantly alleviated almost every political problem here. They really are useless.

True! How much longer than Jerry’s term this will last is up in the air. The next Gov better be good; big shoes to fill.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:42:03pm

re: #521 wrenchwench

Customer just came back and bought a tube!

Tee hee.

Wrench…sometime sealing a tire on a car wheel can be problematic.

I imagine a bike tire would be a real pain. Any slight bend or even a nick in the wheel would be a problem as the flange can’t be all that big. I would imagine even a good scratch could cause problems. And then what if the tire is not manufactured exactly even around the bead. I’ve seen warped beads on a car tire. You don’t have much to work with.

I feel for you. But I can tell you are good because you give it a good go.

531
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:42:40pm

re: #521 wrenchwench

Customer just came back and bought a tube!

Tee hee.

“Try TUBELESS TIRES for your bike! No need to carry a spare tube! Just call for a ride home when you get a flat!”

532
petesh  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:42:41pm

re: #527 Decatur Deb

Should have occupied a bird sanctuary.

Nuh-uh, havent you heard of Birding While Black? Also applies to Brown, Red, Yellow and in fact everything except that weird blotchy pink that people like me have.

533
Kragar  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:42:43pm

You would think Conservatives would whole heartedly support CA stop paying federal taxes which go to programs in the Red States. Aren’t they the ones always bitching about “Makers and Takers”?

The only way to end the Conservative entitlement mentality is to make them responsible for their own programs.
///

534
Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:43:42pm

Missed this. What a fucking shitshow.

WH briefing

Spicer: “I want to go to my 3rd Skype seat: Lars Larson of the Lars Larson show.”

Lars: “Commander Spicer…”

535
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:43:44pm

re: #522 KGxvi

Partition is one of those things that seems to come up in California once a generation or so. But once people think about it beyond 10 minutes, they realize it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

It always gets more popular if the Dodgers beat the Giants.

536
Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:44:05pm

re: #527 Decatur Deb

Should have occupied a bird sanctuary.

That only works if you’re old white male WASPs.

It’s not even a joke.

537
Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:44:47pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

How is this to be prevented from getting on the ballot? As far as I know, any bit of idiocy can end up on the ballot in CA if it gets enough signatures.

If you’re asked to sign it, don’t. (But we’re pretty used to frivolous initiatives here. And even at getting the courts to throw them out.)

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Myron Falwell  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:45:08pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:46:20pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:47:28pm

re: #530 ObserverArt

Wrench…sometime sealing a tire on a car wheel can be problematic.

I imagine a bike tire would be a real pain. Any slight bend or even a nick in the wheel would be a problem as the flange can’t be all that big. I would imagine even a good scratch could cause problems. And then what if the tire is not manufactured exactly even around the bead. I’ve seen warped beads on a car tire. You don’t have much to work with.

I feel for you. But I can tell you are good because you give it a good go.

Thanks. The guy whose wheels they were said he appreciated my persistence, too. He could tell because the compressor ran three times while I was working on it.

Cars are where the money is. I found out recently that one of my former employees is now the service manager for the biggest car dealer in town. I know he’s using some of what he learned in the bike shop.

541
KGxvi  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:48:23pm

re: #528 calochortus

Yeah, the “State of Jefferson” folks have been carrying on for several years because their interests aren’t being properly represented, but practically speaking, it ain’t gonna happen.

It always makes me wonder about the people who think the electoral college protects a state’s interests. Other than slavery, for which it was created (and is obviously no longer relevant,) I have yet to figure out what specific interest any entire state has that is radically different from the interests of people in other states.

I could see port and border states having different interests than an interior state when it comes to immigration or international trade. Maybe? But between industrialization and the post-industrial shift to a service economy, the interests aren’t necessarily much different. About the only other thing that really jumps to my mind is things like the feds trying to get involve in alcohol and gambling regulations, I suppose.

542
wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:49:33pm

re: #531 Blind Frog Belly White

“Try TUBELESS TIRES for your bike! No need to carry a spare tube! Just call for a ride home when you get a flat!”

And you don’t even need to carry a dime quarter! Just the whole damn phone!

543
Patricia Kayden  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:51:21pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

LOL! I have to laugh. So somehow Trump’s speech for Black History Month has to come back to the most important person in the history of the Universe — Donald J Trump. Such humility!!

544
Puss Power  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:52:52pm

re: #516 ObserverArt

I have a brother that lives on the backside of Snow Trials (A little central Ohio Ski Hill…don’t tell Teleskidude…he’d laugh).

Anyway, in the mornings there is a flock of Turkeys that walk through his yard from the crest of the hill to the small creek down below his house. Turkeys make some big noise walking on brush and twigs. Sounds like a human is out there walking around.

When they raise up off their legs they can be quite tall. Big birds.

I was walking home one late afternoon (I live in a friggin’ CITY) and saw a wild turkey walking up the middle of the street as if he owned it. It was about as tall as a Volkswagen. (There’s a flock of them up in the hills, I expect this one was scouting.)

545
Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:52:58pm

re: #543 Patricia Kayden

LOL! I have to laugh. So somehow Trump’s speech for Black History Month has to come back to the most important person in the history of the Universe — Donald J Trump. Such humility!!

He plans to make a lot of Black History.

546
garzooma  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:54:04pm

re: #463 garzooma

So Fox is saying he told them his mother was with the family after he told the Boston Herald that she wasn’t.

Here’s another Boston media outlet, the local CBS affiliate, reporting Hager saying the mother wasn’t with the family when they were returning:

He went back to Iraq to visit his mother, who has now just passed away. He was able to to get back to Boston, but says relatives who have green cards have not been able to return.

547
Patricia Kayden  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:54:28pm

re: #3 electrotek

“still wrong”? When was it ever wrong? They deserve to be derided. They voted for a man who ran on Islamophobia and xenophobia. What the hell did they expect?

548
calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:54:40pm

re: #541 KGxvi

I could see port and border states having different interests than an interior state when it comes to immigration or international trade. Maybe? But between industrialization and the post-industrial shift to a service economy, the interests aren’t necessarily much different. About the only other thing that really jumps to my mind is things like the feds trying to get involve in alcohol and gambling regulations, I suppose.

I’m sure the fact I live in CA colors my view. What don’t we do?
Ports? ✓
High tech? ✓
Agriculture? ✓
Manufacturing? ✓
Mining ✓
Oil? ✓
Big cities? ✓
Wide open spaces? ✓

549
HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:54:54pm

re: #539 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Judging by her name. Grandpa’s from Norway or one of those countries?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:55:42pm

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Judging by her name. Grandpa’s from Norway or one of those countries?

She’s actually in Iceland. Icelandic Parliament. For the Pirate Party.

551
wrenchwench  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:55:42pm
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calochortus  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:56:08pm

BBL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2017 • 3:58:45pm

re: #542 wrenchwench

And you don’t even need to carry a dime quarter! Just the whole damn phone!

Indeed! One time I was heading out for a ride, and my phone was discharged. I thought, “Oh, no! Now I can’t go for a ride!” Then I remembered that I used to ride without a phone all the time.

That said, however, in the Pre Cell Phone era, there were a number of times I took chances I would not take now. Like the time I hit God’s Own Pothole 1 mile into a 4-mile twisty descent. Blew the tube and fucked up the casing. I used a Clif Bar wrapper as a boot and finished the descent VERY CAREFULLY. Now? I’d probably call for a pickup. Blowing a flat on a curve on that road….

Or there was the time God’s Own Rainstorm hit while I was 8 pay-phone-free miles from home. I have NEVER been so wet in my whole life.

Or the time my second tube blew 2 miles from home.

Or the time my rear derailleur cable broke 8 miles from home, so I broke my chain and made my bike into a 39x21 single speed. 8 miles up and down hills, with one speed.

Yeah, I think I prefer the Cell Phone Era.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2017 • 4:02:04pm

re: #497 Backwoods_Sleuth

They need 585,407. The organizers just got approval to collect signatures a couple of days ago.
lamag.com

Are they calling the measure “Make California Great Again”?

555
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2017 • 4:03:45pm

re: #543 Patricia Kayden

LOL! I have to laugh. So somehow Trump’s speech for Black History Month has to come back to the most important person in the history of the Universe — Donald J Trump. Such humility!!

He knows what it’s like to be poor, oppressed and Black because the media is so unfair to him! Sad!

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2017 • 4:22:59pm

re: #544 Puss Power

I was walking home one late afternoon (I live in a friggin’ CITY) and saw a wild turkey walking up the middle of the street as if he owned it. It was about as tall as a Volkswagen. (There’s a flock of them up in the hills, I expect this one was scouting.)

I drive a VW Rabbit. I used to have a lowered GTi and was out driving the small back highways here in Ohio down in the Hocking Hills area.

There was a male turkey getting ready to cross the road right by Hocking Hills State Park’s main entrance.

As I came up on him, he stopped right at the road edge and just as I slowed he raised up and extended his neck and he was looking right into my passenger side window. That is where I learned how tall they were.


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