A Gorgeous Time-Lapse Excursion: “Seasons of Norway”

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With its imposing mountains, endless plateaus and echoing valleys, Norway is a country where nature takes the lead. Using time-lapse, this film attempts to capture the ebb and flow of the seasons and is a result of one year of planning, a second year of shooting and four months of editing.
 
20,000 kilometers have been travelled, 200,000 photos taken and 20 terabytes worth of hard drives filled. Months have been spent hiking through the mountains, sleeping in tents and travelling through the entire country hunting for the best locations.
 
SEASONS of NORWAY is shot and edited by Morten Rustad. The video is available in up to 8K resolution (7680*4320 letterboxed).

INFORMATION ABOUT THE FILM CAN BE FOUND AT: mortenrustad.com

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543 comments

1
Single-handed sailor  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:30:43pm

I’m loving the invest in pot stocks ads I get here now. I have thought of putting a bit into the industry. I’m waiting for pot mutual funds or ETFs.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:32:48pm

I love the wide look for this. Reminds me of Vista Vision. For landscape like that the wider the better. Immersive. A minute in and I’m amazed.

3
Unshaken Defiance  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:33:40pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

Buy Tulips.
That bubble gonna pop fast.

4
Moebym  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:35:14pm

Thanks for sharing this film. For a few minutes, I had all but forgotten that Trump is President.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:35:58pm

Somewhere I desperately want to go back to.

6
teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:40:22pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:42:06pm

There’s something about this picture that I love. I notice the clothing and the tired don’t-give-a-fuck-anymore look on FDR’s face.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:43:16pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

There’s something about this picture that I love. I notice the clothing and the tired don’t-give-a-fuck-anymore look on FDR’s face.

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Right before he died….

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:43:54pm

Soon to be the subject of a Trump EO
Reducing Burdensome and Business Stifling Regulations Plaguing the US Postal Service
//

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:45:50pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

It took them seven years to ban it?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:48:02pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:48:33pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

He’ll abolish the Postal Service, close every post office and let DHL and UPS handle the babies before he lets the Postal Service send babies by mail.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:50:36pm

Whaaa…?

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:50:52pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

Separate-but-equal Baby Shipment.

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:50:55pm

re: #10 jaunte

It took them seven years to ban it?

We used to handle inner city orphans by sending them off in trains. Farmers would inspect the children like livestock to decide if they would take them off the train or not.

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:51:39pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

He’ll abolish the Postal Service, close every post office and let DHL and UPS handle the babies before he lets the Postal Service send babies by mail.

After he steals their retirement money.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:52:16pm

re: #14 jaunte

Will that be first-class or standard delivery?

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:53:20pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

Ground, please.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:54:16pm

re: #13 Scottish Dragon

Whaaa…?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:54:35pm

From the dregs of the last post….

Commander Marmalade sez…..

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:56:36pm

re: #18 prairiefire

OK. Please be advised that the compartments the baby will be traveling in are not heated and DHL/UPS is not responsible for the baby expiring upon arrival.

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mmmirele  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:57:53pm

I would note that Arizona is likely to be very hard hit by the uncertainties in Trump’s travel EO. We have 4.5 million visitors to the Grand Canyon every year, and that’s not the only tourist attraction around. Sedona gets a ton of foreign tourists. (In fact, the first time I visited Sedona, in 1998, there were so many French tourists around it annoyed me, so I said to my boyfriend, “Let’s drive out to Meteor Crater, why don’t we?” which is 100 miles away up the I-17 to the I-40.) Even down here in the Valley of the Sun, we have tons of “snowbirds,” visitors from cold states like Wisconsin and Minnesota and provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan, and they stay for months. Some mobile home parks even fly the Canadian flag.

I expect by this time next year, we’ll have a good idea.

The city I’m concerned about having a bad impact is Minneapolis. It has a large and thriving Somali immigrant community.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:57:53pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

OK. Please be advised that the compartments the baby will be traveling in are not heated and DHL/UPS is not responsible for the baby expiring upon arrival.

“‘Fra-gee-lay’ Must be Italian!”

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2017 • 8:59:35pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

Look, it’s addressed to Bambino!

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ipsos  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:03:54pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I would note that Arizona is likely to be very hard hit by the uncertainties in Trump’s travel EO. We have 4.5 million visitors to the Grand Canyon every year, and that’s not the only tourist attraction around.

Any time I get the chance to get out on old US 66 across northern Arizona, I’m always amazed at the hordes of European tourists out on the Mother Road, many of them on motorcycles. I understand the appeal - it’s so completely unlike any scenery they’d see back home, and so quintessentially American.

Will they still come if we make it harder for them?

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:04:11pm

Stanley, I don’t think the little ornament I found is very old. It’s a clip on bird, so little I have misplaced it! If I find it, I will send you a pix through twitter.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:08:52pm

It looks like UPS has no special packing requirements for infants in shipment.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:10:40pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I would note that Arizona is likely to be very hard hit by the uncertainties in Trump’s travel EO. We have 4.5 million visitors to the Grand Canyon every year, and that’s not the only tourist attraction around. Sedona gets a ton of foreign tourists. (In fact, the first time I visited Sedona, in 1998, there were so many French tourists around it annoyed me, so I said to my boyfriend, “Let’s drive out to Meteor Crater, why don’t we?” which is 100 miles away up the I-17 to the I-40.) Even down here in the Valley of the Sun, we have tons of “snowbirds,” visitors from cold states like Wisconsin and Minnesota and provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan, and they stay for months. Some mobile home parks even fly the Canadian flag.

I expect by this time next year, we’ll have a good idea.

The city I’m concerned about having a bad impact is Minneapolis. It has a large and thriving Somali immigrant community.

San Diego as well. I think we were #4 or 5 on the list.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:11:11pm

Beautiful scenery. Somewhat hostile to human habitation, though, which is why it is so empty.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:11:34pm

re: #26 prairiefire

Stanley, I don’t think the little ornament I found is very old. It’s a clip on bird, so little I have misplaced it! If I find it, I will send you a pix through twitter.

OK!

I didn’t put up my tree this year. :( Lazy & new cat.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:11:46pm

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

It looks like UPS has no special packing requirements for infants in shipment.

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Maybe the text is saying that UPS lost an infant, that is why Google says Missing: infant.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:11:51pm

re: #29 freetoken

Beautiful scenery. Somewhat hostile to human habitation, though, which is why it is so empty.

Why the Vikings roamed far afield.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:14:31pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

“‘Fra-gee-lay’ Must be Italian!”

“It’s a major award!”

/I have the T-shirt…

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:21:05pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I would note that Arizona is likely to be very hard hit by the uncertainties in Trump’s travel EO. We have 4.5 million visitors to the Grand Canyon every year, and that’s not the only tourist attraction around. Sedona gets a ton of foreign tourists. (In fact, the first time I visited Sedona, in 1998, there were so many French tourists around it annoyed me, so I said to my boyfriend, “Let’s drive out to Meteor Crater, why don’t we?” which is 100 miles away up the I-17 to the I-40.) Even down here in the Valley of the Sun, we have tons of “snowbirds,” visitors from cold states like Wisconsin and Minnesota and provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan, and they stay for months. Some mobile home parks even fly the Canadian flag.

I expect by this time next year, we’ll have a good idea.

The city I’m concerned about having a bad impact is Minneapolis. It has a large and thriving Somali immigrant community.

I can tell you that the people I know up here in Canada are cancelling their plans to take vacations in the US. FL is a big destination point and they’re out and out cancelling. The border cf crossing was empty, people are not going to MI to shop anymore.

I tried to find tourism stats but the only site in could find was a . gov which at this point is useless. I’d bet tourism is going to die. They’re not enough US citizens to take up the slack.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:22:32pm

Friday night! Loud yelling from condo across the parking lot.

ooooh

Wonder if it’s the extra loud Mustang people….that car fucking kills me every 5 am.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:23:10pm

re: #34 MsJ

I can tell you that the people I know up here in Canada are cancelling their plans to take vacations in the US. FL is a big destination point and they’re out and out cancelling. The border cf crossing was empty, people are not going to MI to shop anymore.

I tried to find tourism stats but the only site in could find was a . gov which at this point is useless. I’d bet tourism is going to die. They’re not enough US citizens to take up the slack.

Especially not when the GOP’s long-term plans involve laws that will basically suck even more money out of the pockets of the working class and into the pockets of the rich. The rich don’t vacation in America, they vacation in exotic locales where they can make their money stretch farther.

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stpaulbear  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:24:55pm

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

It looks like UPS has no special packing requirements for infants in shipment.

Velvet Underground - The Gift

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:25:34pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Especially not when the GOP’s long-term plans involve laws that will basically suck even more money out of the pockets of the working class and into the pockets of the rich. The rich don’t vacation in America, they vacation in exotic locales where they can make their money stretch farther.

And now they’re saying people who owe in taxes are going to have their passports revoked. US citizens losing this passports. Unfuckingreal.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:27:27pm

re: #38 MsJ

And now they’re saying people who owe in taxes are going to have their passports revoked. US citizens losing this passports. Unfuckingreal.

Policies that the rich will totally be exempted from, as owing money to the IRS is totally a problem only for peasants.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:31:23pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Friday night! Loud yelling from condo across the parking lot.

ooooh

Wonder if it’s the extra loud Mustang people….that car fucking kills me every 5 am.

The coyotes have just started singing in the woods. I’ll take my noise over yours!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:32:56pm

re: #40 retired cynic

The coyotes have just started singing in the woods. I’ll take my noise over yours!

They stopped. Amazing how it shut down so fast.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:36:29pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

They stopped. Amazing how it shut down so fast.

Mine have quieted down, too. Magic! They didn’t even wake up my old dog.

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Moebym  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:37:14pm

re: #40 retired cynic

The coyotes have just started singing in the woods. I’ll take my noise over yours!

I’m surprised that I haven’t heard coyotes howling lately around here.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:38:55pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Policies that the rich will totally be exempted from, as owing money to the IRS is totally a problem only for peasants.

Debtors jail (privatized, of course) will become the next growth industry.

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:39:34pm

Where’s the meme “when your neighbors are fighting you be like”…

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:46:24pm

Hey, the ban may no longer be in effect! Check out CNN! I suck at links!

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:48:14pm

re: #34 MsJ

I can tell you that the people I know up here in Canada are cancelling their plans to take vacations in the US. FL is a big destination point and they’re out and out cancelling. The border cf crossing was empty, people are not going to MI to shop anymore.

I tried to find tourism stats but the only site in could find was a . gov which at this point is useless. I’d bet tourism is going to die. They’re not enough US citizens to take up the slack.

What’s the current exchange rate for the Canadian dollar? Last year at this time it was $.71, and Myrtle Beach was bending over backward with specials and deals to keep up some of the Canadian traffic (March is the biggest month for Canadians to come here.) If the exchange rate is bad plus all this border bullshit, MB is going to get hit really hard. (But hey, our gov is now the UN ambassador, so I’m sure Nikki will take care of everything international.)

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:50:29pm

re: #46 prairiefire

Hey, the ban may no longer be in effect! Check out CNN! I suck at links!

If Trump follows the court orders which I’d 50/50 at best.

Check out this letter from IKEA to its employees. It’d ling do I’m putting it in spoiler tags.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:51:37pm
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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:51:57pm

re: #47 BeachDem

What’s the current exchange rate for the Canadian dollar? Last year at this time it was $.71, and Myrtle Beach was bending over backward with specials and deals to keep up some of the Canadian traffic (March is the biggest month for Canadians to come here.) If the exchange rate is bad plus all this border bullshit, MB is going to get hit really hard. (But hey, our gov is now the UN ambassador, so I’m sure Nikki will take care of everything international.)

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:52:50pm

Wow, you go, IKEA!

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:53:41pm

re: #50 MsJ

BTW, look at how much the Pound dropped. This is the worst I’ve seen BPS in living memory.

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:55:50pm

re: #52 MsJ

Me, too. Almost equal. I want to change $100 to pounds so I can start a little stash.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:56:35pm

If you prefer to see it reversed.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 9:57:39pm

re: #53 prairiefire

Me, too. Almost equal. I want to change $100 to pounds so I can start a little stash.

Wait til they trigger article 50. If Trump doesn’t tank the dollar it will be at par if not better.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:00:42pm

So last year the Canadian dollar was .71; now it’s .76. Another few months of Trump, and the USD and CAD may be at parity. Actually, when I traveled to Canada in the 1970’s, there were years where Canadian dollar was worth more than the US dollar.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:02:28pm

re: #53 prairiefire

Me, too. Almost equal. I want to change $100 to pounds so I can start a little stash.

Buy Euros or Renminbi instead. As the pound and dollar tank, they’ll be the currency of Commerce.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:03:08pm

re: #48 MsJ

If Trump follows the court orders which I’d 50/50 at best.

Check out this letter from IKEA to its employees. It’d ling do I’m putting it in spoiler tags.

[Embedded content]

How come autocorrect always makes me look stupid and never fixes actual shit that should be corrected?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:04:37pm

re: #48 MsJ

If Trump follows the court orders which I’d 50/50 at best.

Check out this letter from IKEA to its employees. It’d ling do I’m putting it in spoiler tags.

[Embedded content]

Is there a public link to this?

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:06:38pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Is there a public link to this?

Which? The court order or IKEA?

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:07:11pm

re: #60 MsJ

Which? The court order or IKEA?

Here’s IKEA: ikea.com

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:07:53pm

re: #60 MsJ

Which? The court order or IKEA?

Ikea

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:09:20pm

I’m just absolutely marveling at the lack of media coverage over Trump’s approval ratings. Think about that for a second: Hillary had won the election, then taken office with the lowest approval ratings in Gallup history and protests seemingly every other day. There would be absolutely no way that the media would just let it go without comment.

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prairiefire  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:09:59pm

re: #57 William Lewis

But I want to go to England. Maybe do a house swap, or cook my way to
Harridans Wall.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:10:45pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Ikea

See above.

Here’s the court order. It’ll redirect to the Boston globe.
google.com

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:12:17pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

I’m just absolutely marveling at the lack of media coverage over Trump’s approval ratings. Think about that for a second: Hillary had won the election, then taken office with the lowest approval ratings in Gallup history and protests seemingly every other day. There would be absolutely no way that the media would just let it go without comment.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:13:14pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

And I understand you are talking about all media & it is true.

I was reminded of this tweet.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:13:49pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

Grannies who only watch Fox are gonna be surprised when Trump and Ryan cut off her lifeline.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:15:27pm

re: #50 MsJ

[Embedded content]

OK, so that makes a Canadian dollar worth $.77 in the US, right? So a little bit better than last year at this time, but not great—and add in all the rest of this bullshit and I think the “Beach” is going to be pretty hard hit this season.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:18:57pm

re: #68 MsJ

Grannies who only watch Fox are gonna be surprised when Trump and Ryan cut off her lifeline.

Yes but it won’t matter to Granny because she has…Jesus!

And I’m not kidding! We’ve been dealing with callers like this at work every day!

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:20:30pm

re: #69 BeachDem

OK, so that makes a Canadian dollar worth $.77 in the US, right? So a little bit better than last year at this time, but not great—and add in all the rest of this bullshit and I think the “Beach” is going to be pretty hard hit this season.

It’s definitely trending the wrong way (for Americans) as the Canadian dollar gets stronger and the USD weaker. Canada has good monetary people.

That would actually entice Canadian Travelers as the exchange rate is in their favor. But Canadian’s really dislike Trump policies and I think some are like me, afraid to go to the US.

I’m afraid to go to my own country.

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allegro  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:20:55pm

re: #69 BeachDem

OK, so that makes a Canadian dollar worth $.77 in the US, right? So a little bit better than last year at this time, but not great—and add in all the rest of this bullshit and I think the “Beach” is going to be pretty hard hit this season.

In addition to the travel, international business and stuff that will hurt Houston, retailers - especially high end - are likely going to be feeling lack of dollars coming from Mexico. Millions of dollars are spent here every year by wealthy Mexicans who may be disinclined to visit.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:21:26pm

re: #64 prairiefire

Ah. That would be pleasant. Good luck then.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:22:42pm

re: #64 prairiefire

But I want to go to England. Maybe do a house swap, or cook my way to
Harridans Wall.

Can I be your au pair?

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Joe Bacon  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:24:32pm

re: #69 BeachDem

OK, so that makes a Canadian dollar worth $.77 in the US, right? So a little bit better than last year at this time, but not great—and add in all the rest of this bullshit and I think the “Beach” is going to be pretty hard hit this season.

Yeah and then there’s the Dylann Roof factor that will probably scare people from coming to South Carolina.

Mom was from Socastee. I still remember going to see Mom’s family every summer and spending time at Myrtle Beach. I loved the old Pavilion and the giant automatic organ. But the last time I went back to Myrtle Beach, just wasn’t the same—it’s all commercialized now…

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:25:29pm

re: #71 MsJ

It’s definitely trending the wrong way (for Americans) as the Canadian dollar gets stronger and the USD weaker. Canada has good monetary people.

That would actually entice Canadian Travelers as the exchange rate is in their favor. But Canadian’s really dislike Trump policies and I think some are like me, afraid to go to the US.

I’m afraid to go to my own country.

Yes, it’s getting stronger, but last year, when it was .71, we were practically giving away the rooms and offering specials like crazy—hard to believe that a .06 improvement coupled with all the other crap going on would create that much of a market.

An article from a year ago at this time:
Weak Canadian dollar a threat to Myrtle Beach’s winter

myrtlebeachonline.com

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:29:06pm
A U.S. federal judge in Seattle on Friday granted a nationwide temporary restraining order on President Donald Trump’s executive order made last week that temporarily barred entry to the United States to citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries.

The ruling is the broadest to date against Trump’s directive.

reuters.com

The Trump Administration has indicated they will appeal; IIRC, such an appeal would go to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:29:41pm

re: #76 BeachDem

Yes, it’s getting stronger, but last year, when it was .71, we were practically giving away the rooms and offering specials like crazy—hard to believe that a .06 improvement coupled with all the other crap going on would create that much of a market.

An article from a year ago at this time:
Weak Canadian dollar a threat to Myrtle Beach’s winter

myrtlebeachonline.com

And now Trump is that threat.

Ya know what’s nuts? I want to watch CNN just to give Trump a big fuck you. But at the same time I think of:
- Don Lemon
- Wolf Blitzer
- aliens snatching MH370 (just asking questions!)

And getting past The Stupid is tough.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:32:51pm

re: #75 Joe Bacon

Yeah and then there’s the Dylann Roof factor that will probably scare people from coming to South Carolina.

Mom was from Socastee. I still remember going to see Mom’s family every summer and spending time at Myrtle Beach. I loved the old Pavilion and the giant automatic organ. But the last time I went back to Myrtle Beach, just wasn’t the same—it’s all commercialized now…

Well, the pavilion (sadly) is long gone, but they have put in a boarwalk and a giant ferris wheel with enclosed cars that overlooks the ocean. Downtown is still pretty tacky though—but they are actually doing some re-development with parks and gardens. There are still some nice areas, but there’s a lot of commercial ticky-tacky—the whole Market Commons area, down by what used to be the airbase, is pretty upscale and planned.

I mostly navigate within 20 blocks of my house!

Edited to add—I don’t think the Dylann Roof factor had much effect on Myrtle Beach (I don’t really think it had that much effect on Charleston). The bad publicity here more is around “bike weeks,” particularly “black bike week” which is not any worse than regular bike week, except that it’s more kids so more rowdy, but the locals mostly light their hair on fire and get out of dodge to avoid BEING KILLED!! Not I—other than the incessant noise, I find it all pretty amusing.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:36:10pm

The @trump_regrets Twitter account is a Canadian university student in Halifax.

m.huffpost.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2017 • 10:52:43pm

Just to show how totally fucked-up the Trump Bannon Immigration EO was, digest this:

Adding to the concern, several green card holders, including Ms. Rouhi, said they had received unexpected notification this week that their Global Entry Trusted Traveler Network status had been revoked.

A spokesman for Customs and Border Protection declined to address the canceled Global Entry memberships but said that enrollees in the program, which allows approved, low-risk travelers expedited clearance into the United States when they arrive, can be kicked out for a number of reasons, including being inadmissible to the United States under immigration regulations.

Ali Vaez, a senior analyst for Iran at the International Crisis Group, a nonprofit organization, said he had learned that his membership in Global Entry was abruptly cut off on Tuesday when he received a message stating, “You do not meet program eligibility requirements.” Mr. Vaez said that although he had a green card, the sudden revocation of his Global Entry status had caused him to reconsider traveling outside the United States.

“I thought because permanent residents were exempted from this, it was fine, but because my Global Entry status was revoked, I have new concerns,” he said.

“The rules and regulations are changing by the hour, by the day. There’s a huge amount of uncertainty,” Mr. Vaez said. With a wife and a house in Washington, he added, “I just can’t risk it.”

Mr. Vaez noted that his green card had been granted under the national-interest provision of immigration law and that he has been allowed inside the Pentagon and even the White House Situation Room as part of his work.

“What has not been vetted properly is not people like me, it’s this new executive order,” he said. “That’s really the problem.”

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wheat-dogg  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:00:45pm

re: #64 prairiefire

But I want to go to England. Maybe do a house swap, or cook my way to
Harridans Wall.

That would be Hadrian’s Wall. Thatcher is long gone.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:01:31pm

I mean, really? Fuck. Really, dude?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:08:59pm

White House is going to fight that stay of the immigration ban EO.

And.note the choice of language: homeland.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:09:23pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

Hillary Clinton is a private *fucking* citizen now. What do you expect, darthstar? Rallies with her giving speeches of questionable “tone”? Should she be on TV all the fucking time now? Start her own #TheResistance Network?

Fucking bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:11:36pm

If Twitter had a downding system like we do here at LGF I would be downdinging the shit out of darthstar’s fucking stupid tweets about Hillary right now.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:11:37pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

White House is going to fight that stay of the immigration ban EO.

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And.note the choice of language: homeland.

For.the un-Facebooked:

Protect the Homeland!
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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:14:31pm

re: #87 wheat-dogg

For.the un-Facebooked:

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That’s the second version. The first one said it was an “OUTRAGEOUS order”. They removed that an hour after the original went out. Such professionals.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:15:13pm

re: #87 wheat-dogg

For.the un-Facebooked:

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When a Democrat is in office, they insist on the narrowest reading of the law to insist that his actions are unconstitutional.

When a Republican is in office, they insist that it be read as broadly as possible to say that anything he does is totally cool.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:17:47pm

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:18:34pm

Gah.

Thirty-five percent say he’s meeting their expectations of a poor performance in office. Just 3 percent say he’s handling the office in an unexpectedly good way, while 17 percent say he’s doing a worse job than they anticipated.
Of course, views of Trump’s performance are split along partisan lines. Republicans overwhelmingly view his first two weeks in a positive light: 83 percent say he’s doing as they expected in a good way, and another 6 percent say he’s surprised them in a good way.
Conversely, 55 percent of Democrats say he’s doing what they expected and that’s bad, while another 30 percent say he’s doing unexpectedly badly. Independents are almost evenly split

m.huffpost.com?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:23:45pm

re: #91 MsJ

Gah.

m.huffpost.com?

I’m personally in that crowd that thinks he’s doing worse than expected. But that’s because I thought he’d take his time buggering the country.

This line though:

Independents are almost evenly split

Is why I do not have high hopes for 2018.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:27:04pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Is why I do not have high hopes for 2018.

Too soon, brah! Plenty of time to convince these blokes of the correct and righteous way.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:29:24pm

This Muslim ban thing is sure to end up before the Supreme Court. Will Gorsuch be confirmed by then?

And how sweet it would be if Gorsuch joined in an opinion invalidating Trump’s EO.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:31:54pm

re: #94 wheat-dogg

And how sweet it would be if Gorsuch joined in an opinion invalidating Trump’s EO.

I have this weird hope that Gorsuch will be Trump’s Souter, that in practice he’ll issue rulings from the center. He’s from Colorado, so I give him that.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:34:31pm

re: #94 wheat-dogg

This Muslim ban thing is sure to end up before the Supreme Court. Will Gorsuch be confirmed by then?

And how sweet it would be if Gorsuch joined in an opinion invalidating Trump’s EO.

Trump’s Twitter meltdown would be one for the ages.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:42:36pm

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s Twitter meltdown would be one for the ages.

Gorsuch: You’re Fired.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:45:21pm

re: #97 MsJ

Gorsuch: You’re Fired.

Sooner or later, Trump is going to be told “no” by the SCOTUS and his screams of rage will be heard as far away as Philly.

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MsJ  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:48:07pm

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Sooner or later, Trump is going to be told “no” by the SCOTUS and his screams of rage will be heard as far away as Philly.

Seeing that he’s a 9-5 guy, he probably isn’t aware of the Seattle ruling. Maybe in the morning we’ll see a classic trump meltdown.

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teleskiguy  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:49:46pm

I’m under no illusion that Neil Gorsuch will be blocked from appointment. He’ll be seated on the Supreme Court, guaranteed. Because in the end Democrats in Washington don’t have any fight in them, haven’t for a few decades now. I wish it were otherwise - and Ullr knows it could change from now ‘til 6 November 2018 - but Democrats, even after all we’ve seen, have no balls.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:51:36pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

I’m under no illusion that Neil Gorsuch will be blocked from appointment. He’ll be seated on the Supreme Court, guaranteed. Because in the end Democrats in Washington don’t have any fight in them, haven’t for a few decades now. I wish it were otherwise - and Ullr knows it could change from now ‘til 6 November 2018 - but Democrats, even after all we’ve seen, have no balls.

He’ll be approved, the question is just who is gonna get paid 30 pieces of silver.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2017 • 11:53:33pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

I’m under no illusion that Neil Gorsuch will be blocked from appointment. He’ll be seated on the Supreme Court, guaranteed. Because in the end Democrats in Washington don’t have any fight in them, haven’t for a few decades now. I wish it were otherwise - and Ullr knows it could change from now ‘til 6 November 2018 - but Democrats, even after all we’ve seen, have no balls.

Even if the Democrats hold out until the end, Trump has already said he wants the Turtle to use the nuclear option - and if that happens, there’s nothing that can be done.

We don’t have the majority. It’s as simple as that.

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2017 • 12:03:00am

re: #102 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Even if the Democrats hold out until the end, Trump has already said he wants the Turtle to use the nuclear option - and if that happens, there’s nothing that can be done.

We don’t have the majority. It’s as simple as that.

To which I say “Make them do it.” Make Yertle break down and go the final step that Reid wouldn’t. Dismantle the filibuster, then force the voter through on a hair-thin margin. Make it as clear as possible that Trump’s nominee cannot even manage a bipartisan majority, everything he’s pushing through is on a partisan basis.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 12:08:50am

Read this. This is #TheResistance and unvarnished truth.

vulture.com

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ozharas  Feb 4, 2017 • 12:38:17am

re: #34 MsJ

I can tell you that the people I know up here in Canada are cancelling their plans to take vacations in the US. FL is a big destination point and they’re out and out cancelling. The border cf crossing was empty, people are not going to MI to shop anymore.

I tried to find tourism stats but the only site in could find was a . gov which at this point is useless. I’d bet tourism is going to die. They’re not enough US citizens to take up the slack.

A friend of mine works for Rotary in Australia, coordinating the student exchange program placements for 16-18 yos - tells me requests for USA placements are plummeting - thinks it’s the guns - far too scary and so outside of our frame of reference.

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Teukka  Feb 4, 2017 • 12:39:29am

re: #104 MsJ

Read this. This is #TheResistance and unvarnished truth.

vulture.com

Alas, I doth only have one upding to give…

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2017 • 1:03:28am

re: #107 Kragar

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“Well Bill, I think that equality for all is in keeping with America’s founding beliefs.”

“Interesting. And what do you think, Milo?”

“I think anybody who isn’t as white as myself with exclusively white ancestors should be exterminated, and that goes for all race traitors as well.”

“A perfectly reasonable position to debate, Milo.”

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 1:43:07am

re: #38 MsJ

And now they’re saying people who owe in taxes are going to have their passports revoked. US citizens losing this passports. Unfuckingreal.

Where is this being said? (Such a threat might be the trigger for me to get the hell out, before they take mine.)

Trending hashtag on Twitter:

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 1:47:37am

re: #105 ozharas

A friend of mine works for Rotary in Australia, coordinating the student exchange program placements for 16-18 yos - tells me requests for USA placements are plummeting - thinks it’s the guns - far too scary and so outside of our frame of reference.

I’ve had several of my Chinese students tell me their parents don’t want them to study in the USA, because of the guns. Then again, I have several other students studying in the USA and they are perfectly happy there. A few have decided to stay, but that was pre-Trump regime.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 1:55:17am

Maybe Trump is not punctuation-challenged. Maybe he’s resorting to too-obvious dog whistles.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 1:56:50am

re: #105 ozharas

A friend of mine works for Rotary in Australia, coordinating the student exchange program placements for 16-18 yos - tells me requests for USA placements are plummeting - thinks it’s the guns - far too scary and so outside of our frame of reference.

I was a Rotary International exchange student from the USA to Brazil (which was a military dictatorship at the time). My year in high school there was great, the families I stayed with were fantastic (forty years later we still write back and forth). Rotary in Michigan gave us a lecture on what and what not to do while we were there (like weigh in on politics or criticise the government).

Of some fifty students from the USA that went to Brazil, one of them did not come back (jailed for participating in an opposition rally). Never did find out what happened to that student.

LOL you get your humour where you can find it. I wouldn’t retweet this to Mr. Trump’s feed, it might upset him. We certainly wouldn’t want him upset.

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Alyosha  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:01:05am

re: #111 wheat-dogg

Much like (((evil))).

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:09:25am

re: #113 Alyosha

Much like (((evil))).

Indeed. Gotta keep those religions/ethnic groups properly sorted out.
“” - Muslims
((())) Jews
**** snowflakes
$$$$ friends

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:14:53am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:17:38am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:24:21am

On the issue of passport revocation, it would appear that a bill signed by President Obama allows the IRS to notify the State Department over certain unpaid taxes (to prevent fleeing the country to avoid paying them).

It would appear the speculation is this could be weaponised to revoke anyone’s passport, though that is not what the law says. (This administration however seems to think the law is a convenience rather than mandatory, so we’ll see.)

forbes.com

Forbes has an explanation of how the law works. I would not fall under it as I don’t owe any taxes. (That said, if they tried to apply it to political opponents, like Democrats, I would be in real trouble.)

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:36:38am

Paddy Power has reduced the odds it is paying on impeachment from 4:1 to 2:1 after a surge of on-line bets after Mr. Trump’s first two weeks (!).

fastcompany.com

It is a bit more complicated than that (bets are in bands over which time period impeachment might be wagered). The article linked above explains what Paddy Power is doing with this.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:37:15am

Red Flag gives F-35A its toughest test yet

What happens when the F-35A goes to its very first Red Flag, the Air Force’s premier air-to-air training exercise?

The sheer number of fourth-generation adversaries have posed a problem for participants. Up to about 24 adversaries can be in flight at the same time and can regenerate three or four times after being shot down, Watkins said.

The F-35A’s kill ratio stands at 15 aggressors to 1 F-35 killed in action, (even though the F-35’s primary mission isn’t air-to-air combat, which typically is left up to the Raptor.)*

The F-35 has particularly excelled in missions where the enemy can launch advanced surface-to-air missiles. Previously, in scenarios with those weapons, blue forces, or friendlies, would put all their energy into taking them out with standoff weapons such as Tomahawk cruise missiles.

“We’d have to start from that, and then we’d peel back from there,” Watkins said.

This year, Red Flag participants have encountered three or four different advanced surface-to-air-missiles in one scenario. In those situations, cyber, space and signals intelligence assets like the Rivet Joint partner with the F-35 to fuse together targeting information. Then, the F-22 uses its standoff weapons to bring down aggressors while the F-35’s stealth capabilities allow it to slip undetected within range of the missile system, where it drops munitions.

It would be too dangerous for a fourth-generation aircraft like an F-16 to get that close, Watkins said.

*Controversial F-35A warplane struts its stuff in Red Flag exercise

The F-35 is an amazing platform and is only getting better with each upgrade. NIFC-CA architecture (Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air) allows the aircraft to work as sensors and guidance for Aegis destroyer, B-52, or other aircraft launched standoff, cruise, or over-the-horizon missiles. From the moment it goes gear-up the aircraft starts getting sensor data from all other F-35s in the operating theater. The Artificial Intelligence on-board sorts information based on mission priority and presents it to the pilot in in an easy to understand format. It’s artificial intelligence will allow it to control drone swarms for intelligence, targeting and weapons delivery.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:44:55am

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

Red Flag gives F-35A its toughest test yet

The F-35 is an amazing platform and is only getting better with each upgrade. NIFC-CA architecture (Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air) allows the aircraft to work as sensors and guidance for Aegis destroyer, B-52, or other aircraft launched standoff, cruise, or over-the-horizon missiles. From the moment it goes gear-up the aircraft starts getting sensor data from all other F-35s in the operating theater. The Artificial Intelligence on-board sorts information based on mission priority and presents it to the pilot in in an easy to understand format. It’s artificial intelligence will allow it to control drone swarms for intelligence, targeting and weapons delivery.

Still wondering with all that computer equipment and no fly-by-wire capability a small nuclear airburst or even something simple as a massive chaff release would do to all the signals processing an F-35 requires.

Not to mention the expense of the programme. For the Navy, considering its success, an upgraded F-14 would seem to be a better choice, but money is no object.

As noted in the movie “Top Gun,” Jester comments, “The F-4 is the Navy’s proof that if you put big enough engines on it you can make a brick fly.”

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Lupin  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:48:20am

According to the French Police, the Louvre attacker was a 29-year-old Egyptian from Dubai.

Fortunately Trump’s ban will stop… Oh, wait.

Never mind.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:52:45am

re: #121 Lupin

According to the French Police, the Louvre attacker was a 29-year-old Egyptian from Dubai.

Fortunately Trump’s ban will stop… Oh, wait.

Never mind.

Next country banned on the new information: Costa Rica.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2017 • 2:55:41am

re: #120 Anymouse

Still wondering with all that computer equipment and no fly-by-wire capability a small nuclear airburst or even something simple as a massive chaff release would do to all the signals processing an F-35 requires.

Not to mention the expense of the programme. For the Navy, considering its success, an upgraded F-14 would seem to be a better choice, but money is no object.

As noted in the movie “Top Gun,” Jester comments, “The F-4 is the Navy’s proof that if you put big enough engines on it you can make a brick fly.”

Once the F-35 reaches full production it will be $83M for the F-35A, $103M for F-35B and $93M for the Navy F-35C beating out the price for upgraded F-15, F-16, and F-18 jets. Military still uses Rad-hardened tech. If it’ll drop a F-35 it’ll drop any other modern jet. Oh, and that reminds me to look up “Small Electro-Magnetic Pulse Weapons”. I caught a hint of new tech.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:00:07am

My wife called both our Senators today, and got through to both (Deb Fischer and Ben Sasse). She read from a script to keep the office secretaries from derailing her, but that was not necessary.

She called to oppose Betsy DeVos, pointing out that Nebraska’s agricultural economy depends on science and research to help everything from crop yields to stopping blights. An anti-science wingnut as Education Secretary would destroy the state economy.

Both senators are wavering on DeVos’s nomination.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:03:15am
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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:04:50am

re: #125 Anymouse

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What’s Wrong With Him?

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:14:48am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:17:40am

re: #126 Targetpractice

I’m sick of this magic balance fairy BS. I’ve been listening to it all my life.

I am not going to empathise with the likes of Steve Bannon or Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. (I might flee from them, but not empathise with them.)

Chuck Todd has a powerful platform as a journalist to uncover the truth. Instead he treats all arguments as if they are of equal worth: Lynching, should we empathise with the Klan? Today on Meet the Press we will have a panel discussion between an NAACP representative and a Grand Wizard.

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Targetpractice  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:24:28am

re: #128 Anymouse

I’m sick of this magic balance fairy BS. I’ve been listening to it all my life.

I am not going to empathise with the likes of Steve Bannon or Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor. (I might flee from them, but not empathise with them.)

Chuck Todd has a powerful platform as a journalist to uncover the truth. Instead he treats all arguments as if they are of equal worth: Lynching, should we empathise with the Klan? Today on Meet the Press we will have a panel discussion between an NAACP representative and a Grand Wizard.

It helps when you remember Chuck Todd’s the guy who famously declared it wasn’t them media’s (read: his) job to correct the GOP’s lies about Obamacare.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:29:56am

re: #129 Targetpractice

It helps when you remember Chuck Todd’s the guy who famously declared it wasn’t them media’s (read: his) job to correct the GOP’s lies about Obamacare.

Chuck would probably be a better fit at FOX News.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 3:33:02am
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Alyosha  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:16:48am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:19:23am

re: #132 Alyosha

Ha!

vox.com
Ezra Klein at Vox: If Republicans Refuse to Compromise, Democrats Should Filibuster.
(In reference to Gorsuch for the Supreme Court):

It’s true that Republicans could eliminate the filibuster with only 51 votes, but it’s not clear why that’s relevant. If the Supreme Court filibuster will be eliminated the moment it’s used, then it’s a fiction, and there’s little cost to seeing it unmasked as such. If Republicans would prefer to destroy the filibuster than make any accommodation to the majority of voters who wanted a Democratic president to be making this pick, then that’s their prerogative — at least the Democrats’ base will know their legislators did their best. Democrats need not be in the business of protecting a filibuster they cannot use.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:19:45am
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weave  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:21:54am

re: #115 Anymouse

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Remember when RWNs lost their collective shits over that one time Obama said “I won” about how uppity he was?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:23:00am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:30:14am

Trump White House to Uber: F—k You (Goes to Business Insider Australia)

You’re either with the Trump administration or you’re against it.

Following Uber CEO Travis Kalanick’s decision to quit President Trump’s business advisory council, the sentiment within the White House is, according to Mike Allen of Axios, as follows: “If you want to cut off access to the White House, f— you.”

That quote comes to Allen from “some in Trump’s inner circle,” he reported. (Allen is deeply sourced within the Trump administration.)

Yeah, I’m not really down with that “you’re with us or you’re against us” stuff. Particularly since Omarosa Manigault allegedly has that “enemies list.”

More at Business Insider Australia

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weave  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:32:31am

Remember when Obama ever took a trip anywhere we got a detailed estimate of how much that trip was costing the taxpayers and everyone lost their minds over it? Where are those estimates now? And now taxpayers are paying the vacation expenses straight into the pockets of the President’s own company so he can profit from it. Yet — crickets.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:35:16am

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

Meanwhile, wingnuts attacking Australia on Twitter:

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:37:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:40:47am

re: #129 Targetpractice

It helps when you remember Chuck Todd’s the guy who famously declared it wasn’t them media’s (read: his) job to correct the GOP’s lies about Obamacare.

When the media refuse to call out blatant liars and fabricators, it only emboldens them to new feats of invention.

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weave  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:41:01am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:42:15am

re: #142 weave

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That’s “Two Timothy”: have you never paid attention at a church service?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:43:47am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:47:56am

re: #38 MsJ

And now they’re saying people who owe in taxes are going to have their passports revoked. US citizens losing this passports. Unfuckingreal.

Does that include Trump too?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 4:58:50am

re: #145 GlutenFreeJesus

Does that include Trump too?

Of course not.

First, there is no evidence he owes on taxes (because he didn’t release them).
Second, it’s okay if you’re a Republican.

I expect that to be used more as a political enemies list than an actual method of cracking down on tax evasion. You get your passport revoked, then it’s on you to prove that it was taken incorrectly (at your expense of course).

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:10:12am

Canadians should be aware that even an hour-long trip to the USA, they should obtain traveller’s health insurance first. Provincial health schemes in Canada do not cover our First World profiteering medical system.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:13:40am

re: #146 Anymouse

“Hey Russia. If you happen to find Trump’s tax returns, let us know!” - America

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:17:51am

re: #148 GlutenFreeJesus

“Hey Russia. If you happen to find Trump’s tax returns, let us know!” - America

Not that I would advocate criminality, but it would be interesting if an IRS employee just dropped them in a plain brown wrapper to the Washington Post.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:20:18am

re: #149 Anymouse

Not that I would advocate criminality, but it would be interesting if an IRS employee just dropped them in a plain brown wrapper to the Washington Post.

Well, Trump likes leaks so he wouldn’t object, right?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:23:00am

Interesting to note that Yukon Territory has better penetration of Internet service than Nebraska.

cira.ca

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:24:44am

re: #150 Nyet

Well, Trump likes leaks so he wouldn’t object, right?

Ewwww.

Looking further on that report from CIRA, the Northwest Territory also has better penetration of Internet service than Nebraska.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:27:14am

re: #152 Anymouse

Ewwww.

Looking further on that report from CIRA, the Northwest Territory also has better penetration of Internet service than Nebraska.

As a rule, Internet and cellphone coverage in the USA sucks.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:27:24am

So, it would appear that Yukon Cornelius can get high speed internet, but most of my state can’t.

Looks like I need to go panning for gold.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:28:42am

re: #154 Anymouse

So, it would appear that Yukon Cornelius can get high speed internet, but most of my state can’t.

Looks like I need to go panning for gold.

My village of 600 souls and every other little village in Germany has high-speed Internet and has had it for years.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:29:42am

re: #153 wheat-dogg

As a rule, Internet and cellphone coverage in the USA sucks.

Yup. I shovel out a bit more than5% of my monthly disability compensation just to have Internet ADSL service.

Cell service? Don’t have it here. I do have a TracFone cell phone, but I can only use it when travelling.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:30:50am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My village of 600 souls and every other little village in Germany has high-speed Internet and has had it for years.

But that’s evul sochulizm. Can’t have that in the Land of the Free (tm, subject to restrictions based on national origin, religion, or travel history)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:37:56am

re: #156 Anymouse

Yup. I shovel out a bit more than5% of my monthly disability compensation just to have Internet ADSL service.

Cell service? Don’t have it here. I do have a TracFone cell phone, but I can only use it when travelling.

I can get cell service most anywhere in China, even in the sticks.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:39:28am
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:42:37am

Promoted from last string:

Worth noting that Kent State did not curtail student protests. Not even close. In fact, protests multiplied exponentially and the Nixon administration’s war policy became unsustainable.

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of 4 million students, and the event further affected public opinion, at an already socially contentious time, over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.

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Alyosha  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:45:01am

re: #159 FormerDirtDart

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Part of me thinks that he just wants to humiliate Spicer.
Maybe he’s forgetful.

It’s hard to apply Occam’s Razor to explain any of his actions.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:45:56am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

Promoted from last string:

Worth noting that Kent State did not curtail student protests. Not even close. In fact, protests multiplied exponentially and the Nixon administration’s war policy became unsustainable.

Not to mention, it was not one person killed, but four, with nine others wounded

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:46:07am

re: #158 wheat-dogg

I can get cell service most anywhere in China, even in the sticks.

China’s sticks are the technology centre of the world compared to where I live.

If you look at that “Earth at Night” photograph that “serious people” noted how North Korea was so backward it didn’t have lighting, they were awfully silent on the fact that Western Nebraska is very easy to pick out on that photograph for the same reason.

Heck, most of the Western United States is dark. That’s way larger than North Korea. Western Nebraska is easy to pick out by our lack of lights.

understandingsociety.blogspot.co.za

It does give us a good view of the stars and the Northern Lights though.

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steve_davis  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:46:16am

re: #10 jaunte

It took them seven years to ban it?

believe it or not, it was probably popular as hell amongst a large number of people.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:47:58am

I guess the only “real” judges are the ones he appoints, to officiate beauty pageants…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:51:06am

re: #157 Anymouse

But that’s evul sochulizm. Can’t have that in the Land of the Free (tm, subject to restrictions based on national origin, religion, or travel history)

well, it is also a sun-drenched land of subsidized solar energy. and up at the head of the valley are wind turbines, built using decommissioned Pershing missile silos as foundations.

I am going away for the weekend, so I will probably lock my door, although I generally do not when I am just going away for the day or the afternoon…

what a hellhole.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:52:08am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

So a GOP official is suggesting shooting protesters might be a way to quell protests (not take another look at their policies).

Yup, I feel safe.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:52:36am

re: #163 Anymouse

China’s sticks are the technology centre of the world compared to where I live.

If you look at that “Earth at Night” photograph that “serious people” noted how North Korea was so backward it didn’t have lighting, they were awfully silent on the fact that Western Nebraska is very easy to pick out on that photograph for the same reason.

Heck, most of the Western United States is dark. That’s way larger than North Korea. Western Nebraska is easy to pick out by our lack of lights.

understandingsociety.blogspot.co.za

It does give us a good view of the stars and the Northern Lights though.

You’ll be the first to see the space aliens arrive, too!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:53:09am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart

I would like to see him say that to Lynne Abraham. She was one of the toughest judges in Philly. She was also a good District Attorney.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:53:22am
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:53:23am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

Pardon my ignorance, but does anyone know what “Portage acacian” means? A google search was unhelpful, turning up mostly stories about this loon, as well as a reference to an Acacia church in Portage somewhere or other.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:53:49am

re: #168 wheat-dogg

You’ll be the first to see the space aliens arrive, too!

On their way to incinerate Earth. Perhaps because we are so remote, they will set up their conquest base here.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:54:00am

Imgur


Chili Dogs

Imgur


Chill Cat
Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:54:07am

I’d like to stick around more, but too sleepy. Later, people! I’ll be in Tokyo tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:55:12am

re: #163 Anymouse

China’s sticks are the technology centre of the world compared to where I live.

If you look at that “Earth at Night” photograph that “serious people” noted how North Korea was so backward it didn’t have lighting, they were awfully silent on the fact that Western Nebraska is very easy to pick out on that photograph for the same reason.

Heck, most of the Western United States is dark. That’s way larger than North Korea. Western Nebraska is easy to pick out by our lack of lights.

understandingsociety.blogspot.co.za

It does give us a good view of the stars and the Northern Lights though.

That is also a factor of population density: Nebraska has 24 per square mile, NK has around 500….

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:55:26am

re: #170 Nyet

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The “crypto” part of crypto-fascist is fading just as fast.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:55:35am

re: #173 jeffreyw

So would you rather eat a hot dog or a hot cat?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:56:15am

re: #167 Anymouse

So a GOP official is suggesting shooting protesters might be a way to quell protests (not take another look at their policies).

Yup, I feel safe.

I fear the rise of semi-official “militias”, which would then lead to counter-militias, which in the end would lead to something akin to civil war.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:58:31am

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

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Pardon my ignorance, but does anyone know what “Portage acacian” means? A google search was unhelpful, turning up mostly stories about this loon, as well as a reference to an Acacia church in Portage somewhere or other.

poor education

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 4, 2017 • 5:58:57am

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

Here is what I got from the free dictionary: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:00:33am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

Promoted from last string:

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Worth noting that Kent State did not curtail student protests. Not even close. In fact, protests multiplied exponentially and the Nixon administration’s war policy became unsustainable.

And the guy is a weasel, trying to claim he is trying to “stop violence” by promoting another Kent State massacre (one that really did occur, unlike Bowling Green):

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:03:05am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

poor education

The Acacian Schism was the first major split between the Catholic and Orthodox portions of the Church. I have no idea how that relates to Portage. Perhaps Portage is going to split into two cities?

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:05:28am

re: #180 PhillyPretzel

Here is what I got from the free dictionary: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

Ah hah! A tiny glimmer illuminates a possible path to understanding. I see that this has something to do with 4th Century Arians. It happens that my brother, an ordained minister, is an expert on Arianism and would probably know about these Acacian dudes as well. I’ll ask him if I haven’t forgotten by then.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:11:59am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

poor education

Autocorrect?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:12:16am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:15:18am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:15:26am

re: #149 Anymouse

That would be patriotic. Not criminal. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:16:27am

re: #181 Anymouse

And the guy is a weasel, trying to claim he is trying to “stop violence” by promoting another Kent State massacre (one that really did occur, unlike Bowling Green):

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You know, if he admitted he was posting angry and maybe not thinking, fine but when you openly hope for another Kent State, you definitely aren’t wanting to reduce violence. And he’s making it worse by saying that’s what he wanted. People frigging died at Kent State. It wasn’t some sick right wing fantasy where hippies got killed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:17:32am

re: #186 Anymouse

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Oh snap.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:20:19am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

You know, if he admitted he was posting angry and maybe not thinking, fine but when you openly hope for another Kent State, you definitely aren’t wanting to reduce violence. And he’s making it worse by saying that’s what he wanted. People frigging died at Kent State. It wasn’t some sick right wing fantasy where hippies got killed.

People are pillorying him over his “apology” asking well, how would you word that then to make it better.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:22:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:23:39am

re: #190 Anymouse

People are pillorying him over his “apology” asking well, how would you word that then to make it better.

That’s my point. The “apology” is a bunch of bs.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:24:52am

re: #186 Anymouse

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:26:16am
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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:27:50am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:28:15am

It was funny when one of these ” I know more than you cuz I’m a right wing dick on Twitter” tried telling Martina Nartivilova she didn’t know anything about life under communism.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:29:12am

Forget Bowling Green, it gets worse…

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:30:47am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Delicious. Could you find it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:31:00am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

Forget Bowling Green, it gets worse…

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From “You forgot Poland” to “We’ll take Lukashenko’s side over you.”

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:31:17am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

wait
wut

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Teukka  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:31:19am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

Forget Bowling Green, it gets worse…

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Foxtrot.
Uniform.
Charlie.
Kilo…

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:31:55am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

What’s funny is that right now Putin and Lukashenko are having a spat again.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:31:57am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

Forget Bowling Green, it gets worse…

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I believe that was the excuse Nazi Germany used to invade Poland (incursions into Germany).

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:32:02am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

re: #200 Nyet

re: #201 Teukka

Operation Bowling Green

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:32:26am

re: #198 Nyet

Delicious. Could you find it?

Here’s Martina talking about it.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:32:54am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

lol

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:33:19am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

Forget Bowling Green, it gets worse…

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Looks like Trump’s looking for a pretext to throw Poland under the bus.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:33:35am

re: #202 Nyet

What’s funny is that right now Putin and Lukashenko are having a spat again.

Didn’t know that. Guess it’s like when the Argentine junta and Pinochet were over the Falklands invasion.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:35:49am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Trump’s looking for a pretext to throw Poland under the bus.

Trump loves to claim our allies don’t respect us. Poland even went on with the Iraqi invasion.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:36:19am

re: #177 Nyet

So would you rather eat a hot dog or a hot cat?

That would depend, I think, on the skinning method. I’ve been told that there are many ways to do it.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:36:26am

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Trump’s looking for a pretext to throw Poland under the bus.

Great, and Senator Mike Lee and Representative Steve King want to deport me there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:36:47am

re: #206 Nyet

lol

I know. Idiots.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:37:42am

If the deportations start, will someone here hide my wife and me in their basement?

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:38:46am

Good morning Lizards.

Big excitement here this morning as they are fixing to auction off the Grand Champion Steer, Rocco, at the Fort Worth Stock Show.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:40:16am

re: #214 b.d.

Heh, he looks like a big piggy :D

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:41:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:43:28am

Australia is another one that supported OIF. Honestly, if I’m the Dems, I’m doing a full court press on how this administration treats allies even ones who joined us in unpopular decisions with their own populace. Trump clearly likes Putin more than any of our EU friends.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:43:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:44:00am
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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:44:16am

re: #215 Nyet

Heh, he looks like a big piggy :D

Nickname of ‘monster legs”, weighs 1,388 lbs.

Not much use for a steer so the folks that buy him could use him as very expensive yard art or, more often, host a really fancy dinner for their customers/employees.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:44:58am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:45:24am

re: #216 Anymouse

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What I like is how they call us violent yet so many of them want to be able to run over protesters with their vehicles. It is pretty funny how this idiotic page found a photo still from a movie and tried to pass it as a “victim” of the left.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:46:44am

Greets and saluts from the resistance. Trump’s up early this morning railing on the NY Times and the federal judge who issued a nationwide TRO against Trump’s Muslim ban.

Trump’s statements against the judge’s actions include calling him a “so-called judge”. Considering the judge was a Bush appointee with similar qualifications as Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch, I’d start referring to Gorsuch in the same manner. He’s a so-called judge.

Still, this is what Trump does. He doesn’t like what a judge does (see Curiel, judges who rule on Trump’s shady business dealings) and Trump blusters with BS and venom about how everything is so unfair to him. Now in the WH, those statements are attacks on the separation of powers, and if he defies the judge’s orders it’s once again a violation of his oath of office. That’s the kind of thing that is an impeachable offense, if only the GOP does their jobs and upholds their own oaths of office.

The Times meanwhile ran a piece showing that Trump’s still running his businesses despite claiming that he’s divested. His top corporate lawyer and his son are still closely involved in both businesses and working with Trump personally. These are the very conflicts of interest everyone was warning of before the election. The Emoluments Clause is once again in play here - again an impeachable act.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:47:04am

Checks and balances is a bitch eh Donald? Maybe that’s why you don’t run a country like a business.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:47:16am

re: #221 Anymouse

So, who’s the GRU mole whispering in Trump’s ear? Bannon? Priebus?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:48:03am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

So, who’s the GRU mole whispering in Trump’s ear? Bannon? Priebus?

Flynn?

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:49:21am

re: #223 lawhawk

Trump trying to undermine democratic institutions is a sign of potential fascism.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:49:38am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

So, who’s the GRU mole whispering in Trump’s ear? Bannon? Priebus?

All of them?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:50:30am

re: #227 Nyet

Trump trying to undermine democratic institutions is a sign of potential fascism.

I think at this point we have gone beyond “potential.”

And conservatives are fine with it.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:50:40am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Flynn?

Could be…..I’d forgotten about him.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:51:23am

re: #229 Anymouse

I think at this point we have gone beyond “potential.”

And conservatives are fine with it.

It’s potential until it’s actual. It’s not yet actual.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:51:37am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

Could be…..I’d forgotten about him.

My observation is some of the worst Trump picks have been ones that he doesn’t need confirmed I.e Flynn and Bannon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:52:33am

re: #231 Nyet

It’s potential until it’s actual. It’s not yet actual.

Correct, this judge hasn’t been purged from her position yet but still his reaction is uh troubling to say the least.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:52:42am
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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:53:55am

re: #234 Anymouse

Ahh, the good old 1984-esque slogan-chanting.

Was he having an orgasm while typing?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:54:17am

re: #231 Nyet

It’s potential until it’s actual. It’s not yet actual.

Ignoring courts? Ruling by decree (EO)? Enemies lists, including the press? Ignoring separation of powers? Attacking free speech and religion? At what point does “potential” become “actual?”

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:55:00am

re: #234 Anymouse

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Trump is admitting that he hasn’t made America great……..

Sad!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:56:56am

I’m wondering at what point an edict comes down to “shut down the Internet.” Sen. Ted Cruz is already on record for “shutting down parts of it.”

Is that actual fascism or only proto-fascism. Is a little bit of fascism better than a whole lot of fascism. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:57:13am

re: #236 Anymouse

Ignoring courts? Ruling by decree (EO)? Enemies lists, including the press? Ignoring separation of powers? Attacking free speech and religion? At what point does “potential” become “actual?”

You may be missing the fact that a threat on twitter, while betraying an intent, is not a presidential act in itself.

When he either ignores the stay on his ban or somehow gets rid of the judge, then it will be actualized.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:57:27am

re: #235 Nyet

Ahh, the good old 1984-esque slogan-chanting.

Was he having an orgasm while typing?

He was probably dropping a deuce.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:58:18am
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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2017 • 6:58:32am

re: #117 Anymouse

On the issue of passport revocation, it would appear that a bill signed by President Obama allows the IRS to notify the State Department over certain unpaid taxes (to prevent fleeing the country to avoid paying them).

It would appear the speculation is this could be weaponised to revoke anyone’s passport, though that is not what the law says. (This administration however seems to think the law is a convenience rather than mandatory, so we’ll see.)

forbes.com

Forbes has an explanation of how the law works. I would not fall under it as I don’t owe any taxes. (That said, if they tried to apply it to political opponents, like Democrats, I would be in real trouble.)

If such a law passes, it most certainly won’t apply to Republicans or multi millionaires and above. But if anyone else owes any money into the shredder your passport goes.

This could be expanded to confiscating the assets of people wanting to flee the country for political reasons. The Germans have already shown how that can be done.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:01:01am

re: #242 Skip Intro

We’re considering moving that trip to Yukon up.

They have better Internet anyway. /s

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:01:18am

Morning Lizardim.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:03:32am

re: #216 Anymouse

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I’ve seen that photo before, but IIRC it was being used as an example of a European woman being attacked by a Muslim guy (or a group of guys). I would imagine they’re multi-use fake photos.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:05:25am

re: #241 Nyet

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Good to see you back. it’s been a shitty couple of months. It STILL sucks when I wake up every day and remember this idiot was elected.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:06:35am

re: #203 Anymouse

I believe that was the excuse Nazi Germany used to invade Poland (incursions into Germany).

Yes, the Nazis used that excuse multiple times. Looks like someone in the WH is a big Hitler fan. Now who could that be?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:07:50am

re: #246 CuriousLurker

Good to see you back. it’s been a shitty couple of months. It STILL sucks when I wake up every day and remember this idiot was elected.

Forty years of propaganda against liberals has been quite effective, no?

I haven’t called my favourite cousin since the election (we visited her returning from Ontario). I would tear her apart for splitting her ticket between the Greens and Libertarians in Michigan. Gaaaa.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:09:06am

re: #223 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the resistance. Trump’s up early this morning railing on the NY Times and the federal judge who issued a nationwide TRO against Trump’s Muslim ban.

Trump’s statements against the judge’s actions include calling him a “so-called judge”. Considering the judge was a Bush appointee with similar qualifications as Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch, I’d start referring to Gorsuch in the same manner. He’s a so-called judge.

Still, this is what Trump does. He doesn’t like what a judge does (see Curiel, judges who rule on Trump’s shady business dealings) and Trump blusters with BS and venom about how everything is so unfair to him. Now in the WH, those statements are attacks on the separation of powers, and if he defies the judge’s orders it’s once again a violation of his oath of office. That’s the kind of thing that is an impeachable offense, if only the GOP does their jobs and upholds their own oaths of office.

The Times meanwhile ran a piece showing that Trump’s still running his businesses despite claiming that he’s divested. His top corporate lawyer and his son are still closely involved in both businesses and working with Trump personally. These are the very conflicts of interest everyone was warning of before the election. The Emoluments Clause is once again in play here - again an impeachable act.

And, from what I understand, the failure to record the phone call with Putin is illegal. There is enough now, I think, for impeachment.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:09:52am

re: #249 Barefoot Grin

And, from what I understand, the failure to record the phone call with Putin is illegal. There is enough now, I think, for impeachment.

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:10:37am
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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:10:48am

re: #250 Anymouse

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

It’s our job to end that by complaining.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:12:11am

re: #248 Anymouse

Forty years of propaganda against liberals has been quite effective, no?

I haven’t called my favourite cousin since the election (we visited her returning from Ontario). I would tear her apart for splitting her ticket between the Greens and Libertarians in Michigan. Gaaaa.

Yeah, their constant lies seem to have stuck

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:13:56am

re: #252 Belafon

It’s our job to end that by complaining.

Well, the idea “Never Give Up, Never Surrender” is nice in a movie but I’m not sure how that is applicable in real life.

I go between “dammit they aren’t going to tear down the country without a fight from me” to “I need to get the hell out of here.”

And on the issue of rounding up and deporting people, which is cheaper and easier: detaining them until they can be deported at US expense, or shooting them?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:14:12am

Oops thought that Judge Robart was a woman. Anyhow. Trump better get used to this. Judges can and do rule against administrations. He’s going to be even more pissy if one of his own picks rules against him. I was thinking about that because the judge that blocked the Obama rule on overtime pay was an Obama appointee.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:15:29am

re: #253 CuriousLurker

Yeah, their constant lies seem to have stuck

What troubles me CL is this new generation of right wing assholes. That’s what people like Milo Y are trying to create on our campuses. I was joking yesterday that the College R’s have come a long way from the affirmative action bake sales I used to read about when I was a prospective undergrad.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:15:43am

Haaretz:

Opinion: Netanyahu Is a Danger to All Jews

While other world leaders exercised caution, the pyromaniac from Jerusalem doesn’t give a damn about Israel, the Jews and the world’s future, and instead sucks up to Trump like a lowly collaborator.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:16:04am

re: #251 b.d.

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Fuck off Donnie.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:17:48am
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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:21:07am

re: #254 Anymouse

Well, the idea “Never Give Up, Never Surrender” is nice in a movie but I’m not sure how that is applicable in real life.

I go between “dammit they aren’t going to tear down the country without a fight from me” to “I need to get the hell out of here.”

I hear you, in a sense, but that’s why we need people willing to lead the fight: It inspires people like you and me to keep our spirits up. Too bad the Democrats, as they are currently constructed, seem to be lacking the spine to provide that effective leadership.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:21:43am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:21:53am

Started watching a new well technically old since it debuted in the 70’s but Secret Army. It was a BBC series about a Belgian tavern owner who tended to his bed-ridden wife while at the same time being a part of a resistance network that got downed Allied airmen out of occupied Europe and back to the safety of Britain. What makes it interesting is the actor that plays the tavern owner, Bernard Hempton played the Commandant in its sister series, Colditz. Only one episode in but I think I’m going to like this one. I loved Colditz because of realistic and complex characters.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:23:19am
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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:24:24am
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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:25:04am

re: #214 b.d.

Good morning Lizards.

Big excitement here this morning as they are fixing to auction off the Grand Champion Steer, Rocco, at the Fort Worth Stock Show.

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That’s some expensive hamburger…

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:27:08am

Yikes. Mediaite calls out a magazine for a truly obscene cover picture for Donald Trump. I am putting that behind a privacy bar.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:30:55am

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Friday night! Loud yelling from condo across the parking lot.

ooooh

Wonder if it’s the extra loud Mustang people….that car fucking kills me every 5 am.

Sounds like you have neighbors like some of mine that like revving Harley-Davidsons at 2am. Given that I can hear those on I-76 a 1/2 mile away at night might give a hint how loud/annoying these people are - even when I have the windows closed. And I also live in the middle of a city with a constant degree of ambient noise that this rises well above.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:33:49am

re: #267 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like you have neighbors like some of mine that like revving Harley-Davidsons at 2am. Given that I can hear those on I-76 a 1/2 mile away at night might give a hint how loud/annoying these people are - even when I have the windows closed. And I also live in the middle of a city with a constant degree of ambient noise that this rises well above.

We must have the same neighbor. Mine turns on his Harley then goes inside and takes a bath or something while it obnoxiously idles for 1/2 an hour.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:37:34am

re: #268 b.d.

We must have the same neighbor. Mine turns on his Harley then goes inside and takes a bath or something while it obnoxiously idles for 1/2 an hour.

My neighbour does the same with his F-ohmygod Fifty diesel truck, leaving it running all night next to my bedroom window. (Then I get gunfire before dawn, today north of town - sounded like a rifle brigade.)

I am tempted to stuff a potato up the tailpipe of his truck. I’ve asked him to stop idling it next to my bedroom window and he said no. (I wouldn’t be surprised if he “rolled coal” on the socialist board member’s house next door. He has bitched about everything from the kind of car we own to daring to fly a US flag because I am a liberal. Apparently that argument is “liberals can’t be patriotic.”)

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mmmirele  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:39:23am

re: #214 b.d.

Good morning Lizards.

Big excitement here this morning as they are fixing to auction off the Grand Champion Steer, Rocco, at the Fort Worth Stock Show.

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That’s a handsome-looking steer. Congratulations to the young woman who raised him.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:41:18am

re: #109 Anymouse

If you owe taxes you might lose the ability to fly as well as your passport.

forbes.com

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:42:02am

re: #269 Anymouse

wow, my condolences. the sound of idling diesel vehicles drives me into a murderous rage…

I have put out an American flag every morning for the 5 years that I have been at my company.

Last week I changed it out with a state flag, only one person has connected the dots so far…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:45:48am

re: #269 Anymouse

My neighbour does the same with his F-ohmygod Fifty diesel truck, leaving it running all night next to my bedroom window. (Then I get gunfire before dawn, today north of town - sounded like a rifle brigade.)

I am tempted to stuff a potato up the tailpipe of his truck. I’ve asked him to stop idling it next to my bedroom window and he said no. (I wouldn’t be surprised if he “rolled coal” on the socialist board member’s house next door. He has bitched about everything from the kind of car we own to daring to fly a US flag because I am a liberal. Apparently that argument is “liberals can’t be patriotic.”)

We have hunters in town, so on the opening day of any hunting season - no matter how minor - the dawn greets me with a fusillade of shotgun fire from the fields surrounding our little municipality. Thankfully, though, I don’t have to deal with neighbors and obnoxious motors - aside from a lawn mower running somewhere in the neighborhood literally every single day of the week from last frost to first snowfall, that is. The truck owners and motorcyclists here are a bit more polite. The Canadians must be having some ebil librul influence.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:46:23am

My wife is predicting that by the end of the day, wingnuts will be accusing George Soros of financing Village Magazine to put that heinous photo on their cover.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:46:25am

re: #268 b.d.

We must have the same neighbor. Mine turns on his Harley then goes inside and takes a bath or something while it obnoxiously idles for 1/2 an hour.

Do I get to LOL when someone steals it?

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mmmirele  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:46:29am

re: #238 Anymouse

I’m wondering at what point an edict comes down to “shut down the Internet.” Sen. Ted Cruz is already on record for “shutting down parts of it.”

Is that actual fascism or only proto-fascism. Is a little bit of fascism better than a whole lot of fascism. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I could just see my evil too big to fail employer, and the rest of the evil too big to fail banks calling up Hair Furor and explaining, “We can’t shut down the Internet, that’s where pretty much everyone does their banking.” That sort of thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:46:52am

re: #274 Anymouse

My wife is predicting that by the end of the day, wingnuts will be accusing George Soros of financing Village Magazine to put that heinous photo on their cover.

with an assist from Saul Alinsky!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:47:41am

re: #270 mmmirele

That’s a handsome-looking steer. Congratulations to the young woman who raised him.

Trump would have her raise a steer in high heels and a dress.
#dresslikeawoman

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:47:45am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Alinsky IS Soros. Bwahaha.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:47:47am

Well the UC thing is having its intended result. Milo’s taken to comparing the students that protested him to Nazis. Pretty rich considering who he supports and what he does. Fucking hypocritial pig.

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prairiefire  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:48:19am

re: #82 wheat-dogg

That would be Hadrian’s Wall. Thatcher is long gone.

Hahaha. That’s a good one, going to tell my dad.😀

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:48:23am

re: #279 Nyet

Alinsky IS Soros. Bwahaha.

Soros IS Alinsky
Alinsky IS Soros
Oh my, god!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:48:25am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Well the UC thing is having its intended result. Milo’s taken to comparing the students that protested him to Nazis. Pretty rich considering who he supports and what he does. Fucking hypocritial pig.

I think we can be pretty sure, at this point, that the whole thing was carefully staged.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:49:33am

re: #275 Timothy Watson

Do I get to LOL when someone steals it?

LOL! I need to post a Craiglist ad.

Neighbor has left very nice Harley idling unattended again, no one will be looking for the next 20 minutes

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:50:28am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Soros IS Alinsky
Alinsky IS Soros
Oh my, god!

PLOT TWIST

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:50:37am

re: #283 thedopefishlives

I think we can be pretty sure, at this point, that the whole thing was carefully staged.

It most definitely was. I mean it’s UC. The college I have even joked that I would feel like a staunch conservative fi I attended it. As I’ve also said, if I were to show up at Liberty U, Patrick Henry(you know where I live), etc with rhetoric and a history of being nasty to Evangelicals, I’d probably get the same response. Considering that I know many conservatives who think it’s okay to run over protesters that bother them, this is pretty goddamn rich.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:51:35am

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

PLOT TWIST

I was for those who don’t know referencing Ace Ventura. Man that transgendered side plot feels creepily dated now.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:52:15am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

On that last point, most of my wingnut friends here in the Twin Cities are sick of protesters shutting down the highways. They’re of the opinion that motorists should just mow them down. How can otherwise decent human beings be so cold about murdering people?

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:52:18am

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

PLOT TWIST

Creature from the White House is an escapee from a mental institution, a serial killer. Real Trump has been dead for a few years.

(Thanks, M. Night Shyamalan!)

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:52:33am
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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:53:46am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

It most definitely was. I mean it’s UC. The college I have even joked that I would feel like a staunch conservative fi I attended it. As I’ve also said, if I were to show up at Liberty U, Patrick Henry(you know where I live), etc with rhetoric and a history of being nasty to Evangelicals, I’d probably get the same response. Considering that I know many conservatives who think it’s okay to run over protesters that bother them, this is pretty goddamn rich.

re: #283 thedopefishlives

I think we can be pretty sure, at this point, that the whole thing was carefully staged.

Can we stage a protest outside of the Wharton School of Business to see if Trump will threaten to cut off their funding?

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:54:09am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:55:27am

re: #289 thedopefishlives

On that last point, most of my wingnut friends here in the Twin Cities are sick of protesters shutting down the highways. They’re of the opinion that motorists should just mow them down. How can otherwise decent human beings be so cold about murdering people?

My really good friend I’ve told y’all about feels the same way. It just amazes me too. Same people can be so cold about refugee children too. I have to say this. As much as anti-abortion protesters and the Westboro folks annoy me, I definitely don’t think I have a right to run them over. Sure, I have a right to be annoyed by them as do our friends by protesters but not to run them over. I am really getting tired of people who actually believe that shit accusing the left of being the “real fascists.” Uh no, you literally believe you should be able to run someone over if they’re protesting on public roads.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:55:50am

re: #292 b.d.

Can we stage a protest outside of the Wharton School of Business to see if Trump will threaten to cut off their funding?

Well I always do like visiting Philly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:56:04am

re: #293 Nyet

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The Donfather!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:56:06am

re: #286 Dr Lizardo

PLOT TWIST

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:56:11am

re: #269 Anymouse

My neighbour does the same with his F-ohmygod Fifty diesel truck, leaving it running all night next to my bedroom window. (Then I get gunfire before dawn, today north of town - sounded like a rifle brigade.)

I am tempted to stuff a potato up the tailpipe of his truck. I’ve asked him to stop idling it next to my bedroom window and he said no. (I wouldn’t be surprised if he “rolled coal” on the socialist board member’s house next door. He has bitched about everything from the kind of car we own to daring to fly a US flag because I am a liberal. Apparently that argument is “liberals can’t be patriotic.”)

I will still hold that don’t have a “group” problem but an “asshole” problem. A given religion, political party, etc. is not inherently evil or bad*, but it’s asshole members are often the most visible due to the fact that asshole-ness is often loud, unapologetic, hypocritical, and stupid. It does seem that some groups are more attractive or supporting of assholes than others.

* - The evilness comes forth in the policies and actions they pass. An asshole can be annoying rather than evil given that often it is bluster with no action behind it. Though that, in turn, can be enabling of others to take action.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:56:16am
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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:56:28am

I’m begging to think Bannon may get Lewandowski’d sooner rather than later. Trump, the leader that he is, cannot keep his posse in check.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:57:06am

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:57:17am

re: #291 Belafon

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That’s why I’m not a protectionist on trade. The trend on both the far left and far right to vehemently oppose any trade agreement bothers me. These trade agreements have their flaws of course but the way that both Sanders and Trump frames them bothers the hell out of me.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:57:58am

re: #82 wheat-dogg

That would be Hadrian’s Wall. Thatcher is long gone.

Dismantle and ship Hadrian’s Wall for the US border and make Mexico pay for it.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:58:04am

re: #291 Belafon

Oh, irony, thy name is Trump. Imagine that - Trump’s CLASSY, BEAUTIFUL WALL!! torpedos Texas’ economy and sends it down the shitter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:58:12am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

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Well let’s say I’m not surprised and you know those snobby assholes love the pick of Gorsuch. I imagine he was someone they suggested.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:59:19am

re: #300 BigPapa

I’m begging to think Bannon may get Lewandowski’d sooner rather than later. Trump, the leader that he is, cannot keep his posse in check.

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If Trump let Bannon go, might the Breitbrats find it a betrayal. Good for Kelly for standing up to him.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 7:59:48am

re: #270 mmmirele

That’s a handsome-looking steer. Congratulations to the young woman who raised him.

How about a nice-looking horse?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:01:01am

On Mr. Trump’s “suspension” of the ban after a showdown between Mr. Bannon and Gen. Kelly: I’m guessing Gen. Kelly will be fired in short order.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:01:04am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

That’s why I’m not a protectionist on trade. The trend on both the far left and far right to vehemently oppose any trade agreement bothers me. These trade agreements have their flaws of course but the way that both Sanders and Trump frames them bothers the hell out of me.

If they’re flawed, let’s just negotiate a better one. I’m all for trade agreements that are reasonably fair to all parties. I prefer the approach of, “If it’s stupid, don’t sign it. If it makes sense, sign it.” No fuss, no muss.

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JasonA  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:01:47am

re: #308 Anymouse

On Mr. Trump’s “suspension” of the ban after a showdown between Mr. Bannon and Gen. Kelly: I’m guessing Gen. Kelly will be fired in short order.

Yeah, I’m betting on a resignation in our near future.

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:02:15am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

If Trump let Bannon go, might the Breitbrats find it a betrayal. Good for Kelly for standing up to him.

Bannon is drunk with power, much like the rest of them. He’s wielding it not because he should, but because he can. He’s playing his hand crazy and betting crazy, not playing for the long game.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:02:35am

re: #308 Anymouse

On Mr. Trump’s “suspension” of the ban after a showdown between Mr. Bannon and Gen. Kelly: I’m guessing Gen. Kelly will be fired in short order.

I’m pretty sure he knew it at the time he did it, too. That takes some serious brass.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:03:26am

re: #289 thedopefishlives

On that last point, most of my wingnut friends here in the Twin Cities are sick of protesters shutting down the highways. They’re of the opinion that motorists should just mow them down. How can otherwise decent human beings be so cold about murdering people?

Lack of empathy and running of yaps without thinking of what they would actually be doing or consequences thereof. And/or a fantasy of inflicting violence on others with a “justification” for getting away with it for being inconvenienced by a blocked highway.

Have had a couple of Facebook friends come very close to stating that opinion in regards to the same subject.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:03:35am

re: #310 JasonA

Yeah, I’m betting on a resignation in our near future.

Which disturbs me to think about because David Clarke is going to be in need of a job soon probably and he was apparently considered for DHS.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:03:42am

re: #291 Belafon

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Dallas Morning News posted an article about this last year too. I saw it on the break room table at work. But Texans only read the Bible and Facebook posts about the Cowboys, so….

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Hashtag IGotOuttaThere

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:04:20am

re: #311 BigPapa

Bannon is drunk with power, much like the rest of them. He’s wielding it not because he should, but because he can. He’s playing his hand crazy and betting crazy, not playing for the long game.

There’s that, and he may not be completely stupid. I imagine Drumpf and his team are trying to ram through as much of their crappy agenda as they can, as quickly as they can, because they all (well, all except Drumpf himself) realize that there’s a distinct possibility that the Trump Administration will be one of the shortest-lived administrations in American history.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:04:52am

re: #292 b.d.

Can we stage a protest outside of the Wharton School of Business to see if Trump will threaten to cut off their funding?

What street(s) in Philadelphia would that intend to block? The commuters and citizens might not notice since the traffic in the area around UPenn is pretty awful by default.

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:05:22am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Sheriff Clarke will get people killed. Of that I am sure.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:05:32am

re: #300 BigPapa

I’m begging to think Bannon may get Lewandowski’d sooner rather than later. Trump, the leader that he is, cannot keep his posse in check.

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The pressure needs to remain on “President Bannon” tweets at Donald Trump’s Twitter handle. Noting President Bannon tried to order a USMC General around might also be noticed by the wingnuts.

Keep sewing discord in his ranks. Trump is paranoid enough that if he thinks Bannon is plotting against him, he will oust him.

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JasonA  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:06:11am

Fact check: True.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:07:07am

re: #310 JasonA

Yeah, I’m betting on a resignation in our near future.

I’m guessing if there’s a resignation, it won’t be Gen. Kelly.

The Republicans have to be getting tired of this: they just went through the approval process for Gen. Kelly to be Homeland Security Secretary, and now they might have to do it again. Keeps them away from slashing Social Security and Medicare if they have to constantly replace Cabinet members.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:07:16am

re: #316 thedopefishlives

There’s that, and he may not be completely stupid. I imagine Drumpf and his team are trying to ram through as much of their crappy agenda as they can, as quickly as they can, because they all (well, all except Drumpf himself) realize that there’s a distinct possibility that the Trump Administration will be one of the shortest-lived administrations in American history.

I gotta admit, that thought’s occurred to me. They’re acting frantically, like they’re running out of time or something and they’re keenly aware of it. Maybe it’s something in the back of their minds, something they don’t even like to contemplate, but it’s unconsciously driving their actions.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:08:07am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

If Trump let Bannon go, might the Breitbrats find it a betrayal. Good for Kelly for standing up to him.

Breitbartians have a victimhood complex. See: Andrew, Milo, John Nolte, Baby Whiplash, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:08:10am

re: #318 BigPapa

Sheriff Clarke will get people killed. Of that I am sure.

He may even be worse than Sheriff Joe.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:08:25am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I was for those who don’t know referencing Ace Ventura. Man that transgendered side plot feels creepily dated now.

Of note: Ace Ventura came out 23 years ago today.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:09:19am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

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How about a nice-looking horse?

Very pretty but not nearly as tasty…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:09:41am

re: #323 Myron Falwell

Breitbartians have a victimhood complex. See: Andrew, Milo, John Nolte, Baby Whiplash, etc.

That’s my point. I’d love to see a feud between them and Trump. Sort of how the part of the NSDAP that took socialism literally had a falling out with Hitler because Hitler showed his true hand. Make no mistake, there are definitely cracks within the Trump administration that can be and should be exploited.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:10:26am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

Of note: Ace Ventura came out 23 years ago today.

Gee, you just made me feel old, are you happy now? Seriously though 1994 was the year of Jim Carrey. Ace, Dumb and Dumber(my personal favorite), and The Mask all in one year.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:10:30am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

He may even be worse than Sheriff Joe.

Clarke makes Arpaio look like some kindly neighborhood cop straight out of a Norman Rockwell illustration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:10:35am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

The Donfather!

I prefer The Clodfather

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:11:48am

re: #318 BigPapa

Sheriff Clarke will get people killed. Of that I am sure.

David Clarke is a registered Democrat just so he could get the office. He knows he’ll get primaried next year, so what does he have to lose?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:12:01am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

Clarke makes Arpaio look like some kindly neighborhood cop straight out of a Norman Rockwell illustration.

Yeah I don’t think I ever saw Joe going on Twitter openly wishing to brutalize those he disagreed with. Speaking of fascists, that would be Sheriff Clarke but hey UC students! i mean yeah I think those who destroyed property acted like brats but they’re small potatoes to me when actual authority figures like Clarke and Trump have fascist behaviors.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:12:57am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

I gotta admit, that thought’s occurred to me. They’re acting frantically, like they’re running out of time or something and they’re keenly aware of it. Maybe it’s something in the back of their minds, something they don’t even like to contemplate, but it’s unconsciously driving their actions.

Yeah. On some level, Drumpf and Co. have to know how immensely unpopular they are. That’s why Bannon came out swinging on the issue of the inaugural crowd size, after all. Even if they truly believe their “alternative facts”, there has to be that little niggling doubt of, “What if those dirty libruls are actually right?” It actually explains the behavior quite well.

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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:13:04am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

Clarke makes Arpaio look like some kindly neighborhood cop straight out of a Norman Rockwell illustration.

Forealz. Arpaio was content to let guys die or rot in jail and get his rocks off with conspiracy theory. Clarke cannot hide his excitement to start cracking skulls and Kent State some rioters.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:13:13am

re: #159 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:13:58am

I think you really have three camps within Camp Trump. You have the corporatists i.e. Mnunchin and Jared, the religious nuts i.e. Pence and Conway, and then the racists i.e. Bannon and Flynn.

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mmmirele  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:14:21am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

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How about a nice-looking horse?

Horses are cool too. But seriously, great respect to the young people who raise animals in the FFA and 4H.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:14:26am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

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Worth noting that Kent State did not curtail student protests. Not even close. In fact, protests multiplied exponentially and the Nixon administration’s war policy became unsustainable.

Republicans understanding of history go together like chocolate and toilet cleaner.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:14:43am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

I think you really have three camps within Camp Trump. You have the corporatists i.e. Mnunchin and Jared, the religious nuts i.e. Pence and Falwell Jr, and then the racists i.e. Bannon and Flynn.

“Looks like we got ourselves a Mexican standoff… Only there ain’t any Mexicans.”

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JasonA  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:15:12am
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mmmirele  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:16:22am

re: #318 BigPapa

Sheriff Clarke will get people killed. Of that I am sure.

He’s already gotten people killed, to wit:

huffingtonpost.com

4 People, Including A Baby, Have Died In A Jail Run By Potential Trump Nominee Sheriff David Clarke

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Four people, including a newborn baby, have died at the Milwaukee County Jail since April. One man, a 38-year-old with mental health issues, died of “profound dehydration.” For a facility with a population cap of 960 that previously averaged a couple of deaths per year, the string of deaths is concerning.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:16:39am

re: #338 MsJ

Republicans understanding of history go together like chocolate and toilet cleaner.

Lol, two great tastes that go great together.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:17:11am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

“Looks like we got ourselves a Mexican standoff… Only there ain’t any Mexicans.”

I changed Falwell Jr to Conway since KAC has Trump’s ear much more than Falwell Jr does.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:17:15am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart

I guess the only “real” judges are the ones he appoints, to officiate beauty pageants…

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It seems a certain orange somebody got the to-do list from his Russian handlers this morning. I bet he just hates having to work on a Saturday.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:19:13am

Do you guys agree with my accessment about the three wings within the Trump admin power structure? Is it too simplified? Too complex? Thoughts. It’s really difficult to decide which one Trump is favoring the most at the moment. One might say the racists since he’s pushed their EO but he also did the corporatists a huge solid by signing the EO that weakened Dodd-Frank.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:19:44am

Well, I just looked up Nebraska’s food stamp maximum income - my VA Disability is just above it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:20:23am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:21:36am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

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Worth noting that Kent State did not curtail student protests. Not even close. In fact, protests multiplied exponentially and the Nixon administration’s war policy became unsustainable.

Quick Fun Fact: the governor of Ohio who ordered the National Guard into Kent, James Rhodes, lost a Senate primary election to future senator Robert Taft, Jr. … two days after the May 4th massacre.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:22:34am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Do you guys agree with my accessment about the three wings within the Trump admin power structure? Is it too simplified? Too complex? Thoughts. It’s really difficult to decide which one Trump is favoring the most at the moment. One might say the racists since he’s pushed their EO but he also did the corporatists a huge solid by signing the EO that weakened Dodd-Frank.

My guess is he is not in control at all. He is a figurehead who just likes the idea of the title of President.

The power is in the various factions, with the fascists currently on top. (Note the dominionists and the fascists have overlapping agendas.) While the corporate people got a bone, note that destroying the country’s tourism industry is not exactly something corporations would look to do.

Moreover, corporations like stable governments. The stock market plunging, the dollar sinking, threats of tariffs, these are not things corporations would approve.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:23:07am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Do you guys agree with my accessment about the three wings within the Trump admin power structure? Is it too simplified? Too complex? Thoughts. It’s really difficult to decide which one Trump is favoring the most at the moment. One might say the racists since he’s pushed their EO but he also did the corporatists a huge solid by signing the EO that weakened Dodd-Frank.

I’m not sure. I think it’s plausible, but I think specifically to your last point that Drumpf really isn’t playing favorites right now. I think he’s just signing anything that looks vaguely plausible, and whoever appears to be “winning” just happens to be the ones that got something onto his desk that day.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:23:11am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

There is a danger of the “Dear Muslima” aka Not As Bad As fallacy here. E.g. just because Islamist countries oppress their women doesn’t mean that misogyny in the West, however paling in comparison, can be ignored, etc.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:23:39am

re: #340 JasonA

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It’s the same story here in Virginia, state employees get paid chump change. At my last job, we joked that they paid us just enough so we didn’t qualify for government assistance.

Thankfully, I am getting paid more at my current job.

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Alyosha  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:24:01am

For fans of the Bastogne mentality.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:24:17am

re: #349 Anymouse

My guess is he is not in control at all. He is a figurehead who just likes the idea of the title of President.

The power is in the various factions, with the fascists currently on top. (Note the dominionists and the fascists have overlapping agendas.) While the corporate people got a bone, note that destroying the country’s tourism industry is not exactly something corporations would look to do.

Moreover, corporations like stable governments. The stock market plunging, the dollar sinking, threats of tariffs, these are not things corporations would approve.

Yes, there is overlap.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:24:43am

re: #353 Alyosha

For fans of the Bastogne mentality.

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I never tire of that story. I also wish I could’ve been there to see the look of confusion on the German officer’s face. I would NOT want to be the one who had to explain to him what it meant.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:26:40am

re: #351 Nyet

There is a danger of the “Dear Muslima” aka Not As Bad As fallacy here. E.g. just because Islamist countries oppress their women doesn’t mean that misogyny in the West, however paling in comparison, can be ignored, etc.

Oh, I’m not saying it should be ignored. I’m just saying that I’m much more bothered by fascist behavior by office holders than college kids. I do think the UC students did exactly what Milo Y wanted them to do and it’s working. The few Milo fans I got in my FB TL are eating it up for breakfast. Appreciate that you always try to keep me honest though Sergey.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:27:06am

re: #353 Alyosha

For fans of the Bastogne mentality.

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Well yes, seeing as my great uncle was in the Bulge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:27:19am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:27:50am

re: #351 Nyet

There is a danger of the “Dear Muslima” aka Not As Bad As fallacy here. E.g. just because Islamist countries oppress their women doesn’t mean that misogyny in the West, however paling in comparison, can be ignored, etc.

Well, as far as I know, it is not usually liberals that employ the fallacy of relative privation (aka the “not as bad as”) fallacy, particularly in regards to Muslim women and the rights they may or may not have.

That fallacy at its core is zero-sum thinking. You must be ignoring other’s rights to concentrate on your relatively better rights.

It employs a “race to the bottom” strategy: You cannot be concerned about anything unless you are first concerned about the worst abuse. Therefore, it can be used against any protest.

The argument against it is simple: People can and do work on more than one thing at a time, and there are groups working on Muslim women’s rights in Muslim majority nations. My phrase for this is “liberals can multi-task.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:28:03am

I.E. an elected official saying there needs to be another Kent State even if expressed in frustration bothers me far more than Milo’s reception at UC.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:28:10am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. I’m not saying you have committed the fallacy though, only pointing out the danger here. After all, there are only so many hours in a day, so one also prioritizes.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:28:58am

re: #263 Nyet

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:29:11am
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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:29:38am

re: #359 Anymouse

That’s why we can and should condemn both the Trumpkin monsters and the Black Bloc thugs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:29:45am

re: #335 MsJ

Not to mention “certain countries” he does a lot of business with.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:29:46am

re: #361 Nyet

Gotcha. I’m not saying you have committed the fallacy though, only pointing out the danger here. After all, there are only so many hours in a day, so one also prioritizes.

Absolutely. Honestly I said it last night but the solution to people like Milo is mockery. We always mocked the campus preachers we got when I was an undergrad. That’s what college students need to do Milo. Don’t feed his desperateness to be a “victim”, make him the joke he really is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:31:31am

But I get it, I may be slipping into what bothers me when conservatives accuse liberals of being overly concerned for refugees and “not for homeless vets.” But as I’ve said, priorities and all that. And then the hypocrisy of many of these same people who want to be able to run over protesters on public roads.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:31:32am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

That is also one of my arguments against criminalizing the Holocaust denial. This only makes them victims…

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:32:22am

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:32:44am

re: #361 Nyet

Gotcha. I’m not saying you have committed the fallacy though, only pointing out the danger here. After all, there are only so many hours in a day, so one also prioritizes.

Well, I might focus on one issue (currently organising a march for science in my tiny village) but others can focus on other issues. Women’s rights for example in my village is somewhat of a nebulous concept: Women hold a majority of the seats on the village board, the majority of the paid positions (and the three highest-paid employees are all women).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:33:12am

re: #368 Nyet

That is also one of my arguments against criminalizing the Holocaust denial. This only makes them victims…

Yep, that’s why as much as I understand why those laws exist, I don’t agree with them. David Irving portrays himself as a victim that way when he should instead be mocked as a historically illiterate ass. No doubt, you saw that El Furby Rage, used Irving as part of why he came out as a Holocaust denier too. That’s not a surprise to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:34:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:35:11am

re: #370 Anymouse

Well, I might focus on one issue (currently organising a march for science in my tiny village) but others can focus on other issues. Women’s rights for example in my village is somewhat of a nebulous concept: Women hold a majority of the seats on the village board, the majority of the paid positions (and the three highest-paid employees are all women).

I think what Sergey is warning about is that we can’t just let bad shit slide because it’s not on the same scale. So yeah as I’ve gotten at already and I know you agree the behavior and rhetoric of that Michigan GOP official who wished for a Kent State or Trump himself’s attitude to the judiciary bothers me, we shouldn’t become what we hate. That is to say, we should never resort to condoning mass violence against those we disagree.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:35:27am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Most ironic thing is, both Irving and Cole came to admit (freely, on their own) that gas chambers existed (they deny only some of them now, pretty pathetic, I know) and that millions of Jews were killed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:35:54am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:36:37am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:36:50am

re: #368 Nyet

That is also one of my arguments against criminalizing the Holocaust denial. This only makes them victims…

They’d claim to be victims anyway (see the “War on Christmas” or “War on Christians.) They can still be relentlessly mocked.

As for criminalising Holocaust denialism itself, I’m not sure where I stand on that: Free speech is a core value to Americans second only to the Holy II Amendment. The “slippery slope” argument is generally used against it, but it is already criminal to do things like yell “fire” in a crowded theatre.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:37:21am

re: #374 Nyet

Most ironic thing is, both Irving and Cole came to admit (freely, on their own) that gas chambers existed (they deny only some of them now, pretty pathetic, I know) and that millions of Jews were killed.

They are also seen as traitors by the hardcore deniers.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:37:50am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:38:00am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

I think you really have three camps within Camp Trump. You have the corporatists i.e. Mnunchin and Jared, the religious nuts i.e. Pence and Conway, and then the racists i.e. Bannon and Flynn.

A microcosm of the Republican party, but with the leader the party deserves.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:38:53am

re: #377 Anymouse

See, my position is somewhere between the American and the Western European one. E.g. I do think that criminal punishment for a direct racial incitement is a good thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:39:01am

re: #374 Nyet

Most ironic thing is, both Irving and Cole came to admit (freely, on their own) that gas chambers existed (they deny only some of them now, pretty pathetic, I know) and that millions of Jews were killed.

There’s a new movie out about Irving and Deborah Lipstadt. On my to see list. I wasn’t aware of that change. Funny to ese they’re seen as traitors to the “casue” now to.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:39:44am
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darthstar  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:39:52am

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:40:42am

re: #381 Nyet

See, my position is somewhere between the American and the Western European one. E.g. I do think that criminal punishment for a direct racial incitement is a good thing.

The slippery slope works the other way as well: Relentless haranguing by Bill O’Reilly on Dr. George Tiller led to his shooting.

Holocaust denialism falls into that area.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:41:11am
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CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:41:19am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:41:41am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

There’s a new movie out about Irving and Deborah Lipstadt. On my to see list.

Yeah, will have to take a look too. I know the trial pretty much inside out, will be fun to compare. I’m also proud that Lipstadt’s and Emory’s website about the trial extensively relies on our blog in its Debunking section.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:41:44am

re: #355 thedopefishlives

I never tire of that story. I also wish I could’ve been there to see the look of confusion on the German officer’s face. I would NOT want to be the one who had to explain to him what it meant.

I have read some references that the German officer receiving the reply did suffer that confusion and asked a lesser US officer for a translation. He was told that it essentially meant “go to hell”.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:42:30am

re: #383 Charles Johnson

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Has Richard Spencer been reported to Twitter yet, or are the libertarian dudebros that run it hiding behind Freeze Peach?

If Holocaust denial can’t be held as criminal, how could something significantly lesser like doxxing be held that way? Both seek to harass their targets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:42:38am

re: #386 Charles Johnson

Shorter Trump: Fuck the law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:42:47am

re: #385 Anymouse

The slippery slope works the other way as well: Relentless haranguing by Bill O’Reilly on Dr. George Tiller led to his shooting.

Holocaust denialism falls into that area.

I dunno. I think those are a little different. The former is denying a historical event. The latter is calling a man who performed a legal procedure a murderer and likening him to Dr. Mengele as O’Reilly did if memory serves. It’s an interesting issue. I consider myself a strong supporter of the 1st but I think people who think there should be no consequences for saying outrageous crap are fooling themeslves.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:44:44am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

Shorter Trump: Fuck the law.

When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on your side, pound the table.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:44:46am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think those are a little different. The former is denying a historical event. The latter is calling a man who performed a legal procedure a murderer and likening him to Dr. Mengele as O’Reilly did if memory serves. It’s an interesting issue. I consider myself a strong supporter of the 1st but I think people who think there should be no consequences for saying outrageous crap are fooling themeslves.

The same people who engage in Holocaust denial also encourage overtly or covertly attacks by their followers on Jews and others. They use a veneer of intellectualism to encourage violence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:45:11am

re: #388 Nyet

Yeah, will have to take a look too. I know the trial pretty much inside out, will be fun to compare. I’m also proud that Lipstadt’s and Emory’s website about the trial extensively relies on our blog in its Debunking section.

I’m visiting my second camp this summer actually. Sachsenhausen. I’m hoping that my youngest brother seeing it will have the same impact seeing Dachau did for me nine years ago. I need to learn more about the history of denial. My fear is as the generation that survived WWII eventually fades out, denial will become more common place.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:45:50am

re: #385 Anymouse

I understand that argument, I just think the negatives of criminalizing speech about historical events outweigh the “preventive” positives. Sure, as long as someone publishes a book about how “Jews lie about the Holocaust”, they should be at least fined, since that’s direct racial incitement.

On the other hand if someone publishes an analysis purporting to be a historical/technical one, without once generalizing about any ethnic group, even if that analysis is false in the end, it should not be criminalized, rather it should be simply rebutted.

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makeitstop  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:46:04am

re: #293 Nyet

#trumpahorrormovie Creature from the White House

Attack of the 50 point IQ.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:47:45am
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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:49:33am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

I’m visiting my second camp this summer actually. Sachsenhausen. I’m hoping that my youngest brother seeing it will have the same impact seeing Dachau did for me nine years ago. I need to learn more about the history of denial. My fear is as the generation that survived WWII eventually fades out, denial will become more common place.

When I was in Gdansk I could not bring myself to visit Stutthof. (I have relatives that did not make it out of there.)

The closest I came to visiting a Nazi site was the Gdansk main post office (where the opening battle of WW2 in Europe took place against civilian postal and railroad workers).

en.wikipedia.org

(I sent letters and post cards to a number of post office workers here in Nebraska from there - when I got home, a number of them noted that put a bit more pride in their work). The post card I sent home from there is on display in our post office now.

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darthstar  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:49:53am

re: #85 teleskiguy

Hillary Clinton is a private *fucking* citizen now. What do you expect, darthstar? Rallies with her giving speeches of questionable “tone”? Should she be on TV all the fucking time now? Start her own #TheResistance Network?

Fucking bullshit.

I admire your continued defense of her.

You’re right. She’s a private citizen and she’s been victimized enough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:50:31am

“No Pence! No fear! Philly doesn’t want you here!”

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:50:32am

re: #397 makeitstop

Attack of the 50 point IQ.

Doubles as the name for Tomi Lahren’s forthcoming biopic…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:50:48am

re: #394 Anymouse

The same people who engage in Holocaust denial also encourage overtly or covertly attacks by their followers on Jews and others. They use a veneer of intellectualism to encourage violence.

I don’t disagree entirely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:51:45am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wait, is Huck saying that bacon juice would look appetizing to him?

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:51:58am

re: #394 Anymouse

The same people who engage in Holocaust denial also encourage overtly or covertly attacks by their followers on Jews and others. They use a veneer of intellectualism to encourage violence.

Then you punish them for this incitement, not for being idiots about the Holocaust. It’s pretty simple IMHO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:52:47am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:53:20am

re: #399 Anymouse

When I was in Gdansk I could not bring myself to visit Stutthof. (I have relatives that did not make it out of there.)

The closest I came to visiting a Nazi site was the Gdansk main post office (where the opening battle of WW2 in Europe took place against civilian postal and railroad workers).

en.wikipedia.org

(I sent letters and post cards to a number of post office workers here in Nebraska from there - when I got home, a number of them noted that put a bit more pride in their work). The post card I sent home from there is on display in our post office now.

I feel like I have to visit historical sites where bad things happened. I was in my more spiritual phase when I went to Dachau and did a brief prayer to the lost in the chapel there. What I hope to teach my brother by visiting this camp is that “Yeah you have a right to make those offensive jokes” but don’t forget humanity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:53:52am

re: #396 Nyet

I understand that argument, I just think the negatives of criminalizing speech about historical events outweigh the “preventive” positives. Sure, as long as someone publishes a book about how “Jews lie about the Holocaust”, they should be at least fined, since that’s direct racial incitement.

On the other hand if someone publishes an analysis purporting to be a historical/technical one, without once generalizing about any ethnic group, even if that analysis is false in the end, it should not be criminalized, rather it should be simply rebutted.

Articulated better than I could.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:54:43am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure I see 2 women…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:54:45am

re: #389 Feline Fearless Leader

I have read some references that the German officer receiving the reply did suffer that confusion and asked a lesser US officer for a translation. He was told that it essentially meant “go to hell”.

One thinks about the exchange between Hilts and Colonel von Luger or Werner and Henley in the Great Escape. Sometimes, I love how blunt we Americans can be.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:54:48am

re: #405 Nyet

Then you punish them for this incitement, not for being idiots about the Holocaust. It’s pretty simple IMHO.

Incitement is very difficult to prove. (That’s why Bill O’Reilly is not in jail for incitement to murder.)

Unless you can show a direct connexion (someone yelling at a rally to attack the police, say, followed immediately by an attack on police), you can’t prove it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:55:19am

re: #410 Nyet

Pretty sure I see 2 women…

tokens…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:55:39am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why some even have different colored ties.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:56:10am

re: #410 Nyet

Pretty sure I see 2 women…

You do.

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makeitstop  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:56:29am

re: #349 Anymouse

My guess is he is not in control at all. He is a figurehead who just likes the idea of the title of President.

Agree. They give him these EOs, offer a third grade-level explanation of what it does, then get him in front of the camera (where he loves being more than anything) and tell him to sign it. He signs, mouths some third grade-level platitude about how great it’s going to be and preens for the cameras. Rinse, repeat.

Also - it begins to look like this administration’s MO is going to be government via diktat, then tying up the resultant slapdowns in court. Kinda depressing.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:56:47am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmm. Can almost see where I live in that photo. It’s near the crane in the far distance.

Pence talking near where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created is an insult to our Founding Fathers. But then again, I doubt he realizes that or cares.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:57:35am

re: #412 Anymouse

Incitement is very difficult to prove. (That’s why Bill O’Reilly is not in jail for incitement to murder.)

Unless you can show a direct connexion (someone yelling at a rally to attack the police, say, followed immediately by an attack on police), you can’t prove it.

I think you’re confusing many different things here. We are talking about ought, not is. We are certainly not talking about the American system. So what is easy or difficult to prove under American rules is irrelevant to the discussion about the general principles.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:58:33am

re: #410 Nyet

Pretty sure I see 2 women…

Make that 3.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:58:56am

The Battle of the North Platte River against invading Canada geese is underway, with a whole lot of gunfire. I expect them to bring out anti-aircraft guns soon. /s

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:59:23am

re: #419 Nyet

I think you’re confusing many different things here. We are talking about ought, not is. We are certainly not talking about the American system. So what is easy or difficult to prove under American rules is irrelevant to the discussion about the general principles.

Which is where things do get difficult IMO. Perhaps a collection of legal professionals could agree what constitutes incitement and what doesn’t.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2017 • 8:59:40am

re: #421 Anymouse

The Battle of the North Platte River against invading Canada geese is underway, with a whole lot of gunfire. I expect them to bring out anti-aircraft guns soon. /s

Oh, come on, you can do better than that. There’s a missile base nearby. A couple of ICBM’s ought to just do the trick, I think.///

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:00:15am

re: #420 Nyet

Make that 3.

Good eye. Didn’t see her at first.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:00:21am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Which is where things do get difficult IMO. Perhaps a collection of legal professionals could agree what constitutes incitement and what doesn’t.

That’s what courts are for. Works in Europe.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:00:54am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

Know Pence, no peace. No Pence, know peace.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:00:55am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

One thinks about the exchange between Hilts and Colonel von Luger or Werner and Henley in the Great Escape. Sometimes, I love how blunt we Americans can be.

Frankness and “lack of manners” is sometimes an asset. At others times a lack of tact generates the proverbial “ugly American”.

“The Great Escape” seems to be in heavy rotation on a few cable channels right now. So I have been watching bits and pieces of it a lot in recent weeks as I have been apartment-bound and having insomnia.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:00:59am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Good eye. Didn’t see her at first.

I think there may be a fourth one too, hard to tell.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:01:21am

re: #425 Nyet

That’s what’s courts are for. Works in Europe.

Yep.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:02:13am

re: #419 Nyet

I think you’re confusing many different things here. We are talking about ought, not is. We are certainly not talking about the American system. So what is easy or difficult to prove under American rules is irrelevant to the discussion about the general principles.

Well, you are left with the problem of “what is a lie.” If you criminalised lying on television, someone would have to determine if Bill O’Reilly’s “Tiller the baby killer” was a lie (or stochastic terrorism) or an opinion.

Under our laws as currently constructed, BillO cannot be prosecuted. The same goes for every inciter of violence against abortion clinics, African-American churches, mosques, &c. It is a thorny problem.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:02:39am

re: #427 Feline Fearless Leader

Frankness and “lack of manners” is sometimes an asset. At others times a lack of tact generates the proverbial “ugly American”.

“The Great Escape” seems to be in heavy rotation on a few cable channels right now. So I have been watching bits and pieces of it a lot in recent weeks as I have been apartment-bound and having insomnia.

I own it thankfully. It’s a bit dated but it’s still one of my favorite movies. And it’s fairly revolutionary for its time since the Germans aren’t caricatures.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:03:10am

re: #428 Nyet

I think there may be a fourth one too, hard to tell.

YEah may be right tehre. It’s hard to tell for sure since all the women are near men who are considerably taller than them.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:03:24am

re: #428 Nyet

I think there may be a fourth one too, hard to tell.

Ayep, from a different angle it is more clear:

Image: 03-trump-diversity-003.w710.h473.jpg

So at least 4 women on that photo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:04:30am

re: #433 Nyet

Ayep, from a different angle it is more clear:

Image: 03-trump-diversity-003.w710.h473.jpg

So at least 4 women on that photo.

Bannon looks happy! And by happy I mean drunk again.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:04:57am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

I own it thankfully. It’s a bit dated but it’s still one of my favorite movies. And it’s fairly revolutionary for its time since the Germans aren’t caricatures.

I have not seen the movie. Is “The Great Escape” a film that would be useful for my own? /s

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:05:13am

re: #433 Nyet

Ayep, from a different angle it is more clear:

Image: 03-trump-diversity-003.w710.h473.jpg

So at least 4 women on that photo.

Probably Trumps assistants/eye candy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:06:57am

re: #435 Anymouse

I have not seen the movie. Is “The Great Escape” a film that would be useful for my own? /s

It’s a popcorn flick IMO. It’s far from the most gritty and real depiction of POW life I’ev seen on film or on TV but it’s a good movie with a lot of great actors from its era and what makes it really neat is at least three of the actors in the film were real life POWs.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:07:47am

Someone has found a problem with Trumps wall.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:08:25am

re: #430 Anymouse

There is barely a chance HD will be criminalized in the USA, so yeah, we are not talking about the US system.

Also, we were not talking about punishing for lies. Free speech includes freedom to lie (with a few exceptions, like an oath, slander, libel). Anyway, where are you getting this from? I haven’t mentioned lying.

With incitement there will be borderline cases difficult to prove, but aren’t there always some? Nevertheless, it’s not impossible to prove. E.g. negative generalizations about ethnic/racial groups are pretty obvious. It becomes more complex with generalizations against religious groups, but again, analysis is possible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:08:44am

I always wonder what I’d do if I were a POW. All those POWs were a lot smarter than I am though. Much more ingenuity but you know what they say, we show the most when the most is on the line. I’d definitely be afraid even if I spoke German of slipping into English or if you remember Inglorious Basterds, a subtle cultural difference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:10:00am

re: #438 Tigger2

Someone has found a problem with Trumps wall.

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Does this mean Southern-Mexican fusion cusine is coming becaues I wouldn’t complain about that. Though I’m sorry but Taco Bell’s new fried chicken shell taco sounds awful.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:10:06am

re: #438 Tigger2

One of my students pointed out the same thing Thursday. Like he said, “Trump’s wall idea only works if there’s no boats in Mexico….and there are, because I saw them when I was there on vacation last December.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:11:04am

re: #442 Dr Lizardo

One of my students pointed out the same thing Thursday. Like he said, “Trump’s wall idea only works if there’s no boats in Mexico….and there are, because I saw them when I was there on vacation last December.”

And as we’ve seen in Cuba, people will use boats. You’re going to need a bigger wall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:11:12am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:11:25am

re: #421 Anymouse

The Battle of the North Platte River against invading Canada geese is underway, with a whole lot of gunfire. I expect them to bring out anti-aircraft guns soon. /s

Something like this?

The Magic Christian (1969): The old values are crumbling

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:12:38am

re: #439 Nyet

There is barely a chance HD will be criminalized in the USA, so yeah, we are not talking about the US system.

Also, we were not talking about punishing for lies. Free speech includes freedom to lie (with a few exceptions, like an oath, slander, libel). Anyway, where are you getting this from? I haven’t mentioned lying.

With incitement there will be borderline cases difficult to prove, but aren’t there always some? Nevertheless, it’s not impossible to prove. E.g. negative generalizations about ethnic/racial groups are pretty obvious. It becomes more complex with generalizations against religious groups, but again, analysis is possible.

Right, that’s the dificult thing here. There’s lies i.e. publishing the Holocaust is a myth in the Institute for Historical Review (I have the name right, I think) and then there’s Richard Spencer actually caling for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” which I think I heard Orwell move over in his grave over how 1984ish that is.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:14:00am

re: #439 Nyet

There is barely a chance HD will be criminalized in the USA, so yeah, we are not talking about the US system.

Also, we were not talking about punishing for lies. Free speech includes freedom to lie (with a few exceptions, like an oath, slander, libel). Anyway, where are you getting this from? I haven’t mentioned lying.

With incitement there will be borderline cases difficult to prove, but aren’t there always some? Nevertheless, it’s not impossible to prove. E.g. negative generalizations about ethnic/racial groups are pretty obvious. It becomes more complex with generalizations against religious groups, but again, analysis is possible.

Holocaust denial is lying. Bill O’Reilly’s speech was lying. The Rwanda Genocide was instigated by government lying. Selling baby parts in Planned Parenthood incited the shooting in Colorado Springs.

There are always cases in any crime that are difficult to prove.

The issue here is really stochastic terrorism. The person who does the inciting does not go punished. James O’Keefe’s video continues to motivate terrorists whilst James O’Keefe continues to stir up other people.

I don’t claim to be a free speech scholar. I did mention the slippery slope argument (if you criminalise this speech, then you can criminalise other speech).

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:14:31am

re: #300 BigPapa

I’m begging to think Bannon may get Lewandowski’d sooner rather than later. Trump, the leader that he is, cannot keep his posse in check.

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And that article *still* MBFs at the bottom. Gah.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:14:39am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

I own it thankfully. It’s a bit dated but it’s still one of my favorite movies. And it’s fairly revolutionary for its time since the Germans aren’t caricatures.

You also get the interesting bit from Bartlett (Attenborough) about how *all* the Germans are the enemy regardless whether they are Luftwaffe or Gestapo. Which misses some behaviors, but also catches how the “nice” ones have essentially buttoned down and enabled the “evil” ones. Decency and “acting the gentleman” is limited and sort of done on the sly - and does not save one when things go wrong.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:15:47am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

If Trump let Bannon go, might the Breitbrats find it a betrayal. Good for Kelly for standing up to him.

I was wondering that exact same thing not 10 minutes ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:16:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:16:32am

re: #450 MsJ

I was wondering that exact same thing not 10 minutes ago.

I’d love to watch that unfold.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:17:13am

re: #435 Anymouse

I have not seen the movie. Is “The Great Escape” a film that would be useful for my own? /s

Definitely worth seeing. About an actual POW escape during WW2. Some fictional characters* or events added on, but accurate to history in a lot of ways.

* - For instance some of the movie characters are combinations of actual POWs from the camp.

There are a few books about on the actual “Great Escape”, and I know at least one has additional text covering the differences between history and the movie.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:17:25am

re: #445 Feline Fearless Leader

Something like this?

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How nice to log in and be greeted by one of my favorite movies. Imma hafta watch that again. I was a mere teenager the first time, and some faves from back then just didn’t hold up, somehow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:17:34am
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stpaulbear  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:17:35am

Stolen from Facebook this morning:

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:19:03am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:19:35am

re: #447 Anymouse

Tom Metzger, founder of White Aryan Resistance, was basically bankrupted in a civil judgement from an Oregon court over the murder of Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian immigrant, by some of his skinhead followers.

On the night of 12 November 1988, Ken “Death” Mieske, Kyle Brewster, and Steve Strasser, members of groups known as East Side White Pride and White Aryan Resistance (WAR), were driving around Portland with their girlfriends, headed home. The three confronted two black men, including Seraw, who had been dropped off in front of his apartment.[1] Subsequently, Seraw was beaten to death with a baseball bat on Southeast 31st Avenue.[2] The three perpetrators and their girlfriends left Seraw in a puddle of his blood.

Seraw died in the early-morning hours of the following day. Mieske said he and the two others killed Mr. Seraw “because of his race.”[3] In response, hundreds of people turned out for rallies against racism. Meanwhile, Tom Metzger, head of WAR, said the supremacists did a “civic duty” by killing Seraw.[4]

After one week of investigation, Mieske, Brewster, and Strasser were arrested. Brewster and Strasser were convicted of manslaughter and assault. Brewster was released in November 2002, but in 2006 violated parole and was sent back to prison.[5]

In 1990, Mieske was convicted of first-degree murder and was serving a life sentence when he died July 26, 2011 at the age of 45. At the time of his death, he was still being referred to as a “Prisoner of War” by white power groups.[6]

In October 1990, Seraw’s father and son, represented at no cost by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League,[7] won a civil case against White Aryan Resistance’s operator Tom Metzger and his son John Metzger for a total of $12.5 million.[8][9] The cost of trial, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars,[10] was absorbed by the SPLC and the ADL.[11] Metzger being unable to cover the damages, the Seraws’ lawyer decided to file legal documents in order to have his Fallbrook, California home and his assets seized.[12] As a result, the house was transferred to Seraw’s estate for a value of $121,500; Metzger was allowed to keep $45,000 under California’s Homestead Act.[13] Metzger was warned that any damage caused to the house would result in a lawsuit; he still left it “a mess” with cracked windows, but without serious damage.[13] The Metzgers declared bankruptcy but WAR continued to operate. Metzger himself was forced to move into an apartment and collect welfare. He still makes payments to Seraw’s family.[14]

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:19:37am

The gunfire at the river ceased. Did the geese win?

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:19:42am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Gee, you just made me feel old, are you happy now? Seriously though 1994 was the year of Jim Carrey. Ace, Dumb and Dumber(my personal favorite), and The Mask all in one year.

Says my favorite young whippersnapper. 😳

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:20:28am

re: #449 Feline Fearless Leader

You also get the interesting bit from Bartlett (Attenborough) about how *all* the Germans are the enemy regardless whether they are Luftwaffe or Gestapo. Which misses some behaviors, but also catches how the “nice” ones have essentially buttoned down and enabled the “evil” ones. Decency and “acting the gentleman” is limited and sort of done on the sly - and does not save one when things go wrong.

Yes, I like Big X’s line to Ramsay when he’s pointing out to Roger that they’re under the charge of the Luftwaffe and not the SS. There’s a lot of good lines and observations to be made in that film. As I said, I’d call it a popcorn flick but it’s thought provoking too. I also love the late great James Garner completely denying to Werner when Werner tells him that the Brits burned down our capital. He claims it’s propaganda and Werner insists he read it in a history book and it’s something we all know to be true but Henley denies it anyhow because this time the Brits are our pals and Henley is even a character that had flown for the Eagle Squadron (American volunteers for the RAF) before the American entry before the war. As I said, it’s one of my favorite movies. i’d love to visit Sagan one day and see the real site of the camp.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:21:23am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

I.E. an elected official saying there needs to be another Kent State even if expressed in frustration bothers me far more than Milo’s reception at UC.

I know the headlines keep calling him a “Republican Party leader,” but he’s the secretary of a county party, which, if it’s anything like our county party officers, means he’s the guy they conned into taking minutes at their meetings. He’s not really an elected official.

Doesn’t excuse his idiocy, but he’s really not that big a fish.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:21:25am

re: #454 wrenchwench

How nice to log in and be greeted by one of my favorite movies. Imma hafta watch that again. I was a mere teenager the first time, and some faves from back then just didn’t hold up, somehow.

I forget where I initially stumbled upon it. Was greatly amused by the sheer outrageousness of it even as I missed a lot of the UK class commentary.* A bit like the first time I saw “The Producers”.

* - Same period as Monty Python’s Flying Circus, and thus hitting a similar vein at times. I’ve since caught a lot more of the class-system jokes since then.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:22:16am

Someone in Poland just told my wife that the ACLU raised $24 million over the weekend.

money.cnn.com

Yup.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:22:33am

re: #459 Anymouse

The gunfire at the river ceased. Did the geese win?

Maybe they had some support that deployed Mavericks or cluster munitions of their own.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:22:35am

re: #453 Feline Fearless Leader

Definitely worth seeing. About an actual POW escape during WW2. Some fictional characters* or events added on, but accurate to history in a lot of ways.

* - For instance some of the movie characters are combinations of actual POWs from the camp.

There are a few books about on the actual “Great Escape”, and I know at least one has additional text covering the differences between history and the movie.

A lot of dramatic license especially with McQueen but as I said it’s fun and as you say it’s actually quite historical accurate with the events, just the characters take on attributes of real people combined. IF I recall, the real Tunnel King was a Canadian mining engineer. And the three guys who did get out were Norweigan and Dutch.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:23:38am

re: #465 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe they had some support that deployed Mavericks or cluster munitions of their own.

Geese frequently deploy cluster munitions on my car. They don’t blow it up, but it requires frequent washing.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:25:02am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t think I ever saw Joe going on Twitter openly wishing to brutalize those he disagreed with. Speaking of fascists, that would be Sheriff Clarke but hey UC students! i mean yeah I think those who destroyed property acted like brats but they’re small potatoes to me when actual authority figures like Clarke and Trump have fascist behaviors.

UC students are saying that it was interlopers who did that. I just read an article at WaPo (UI m.on my phone and closed the page already). The guy built an app to report on what trump is doing so you should be able to find it easily.

He said masked provocateurs were those who started shit, not students. He basically said students were not going to ruin their own school and that they didn’t protest that Milo was speaking but they were protesting what he was saying.

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stpaulbear  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:25:08am

re: #386 Charles Johnson

The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!

Trump’s tweets are kind of like listening to the Nixon tapes in real time.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:25:54am

Our esteemed host, Mr. Charles Johnson, has been retweeted by Jim Wright.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:25:59am

re: #458 Dr Lizardo

Tom Metzger, founder of White Aryan Resistance, was basically bankrupted in a civil judgement from an Oregon court over the murder of Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian immigrant, by some of his skinhead followers.

Mulugeta Seraw was murdered a block from my regular walking commute to one of my jobs. I forget if we moved to WA a week before or a week after.

Those 16 year olds who were arrested for planning a ‘bigger than Columbine’ event for their Orange County, CA high school? That was my high school.

Small world.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:26:19am

FFI, if you have the time, tehre’s a great BBC series from the 70’s caleld Colditz. A lot more gritty thaan the Great Escape and David McCollum (Ashley-Pitt in the GE) is in it. Nigel Stock who played Cavendish is also in an episode but this time as a Gestapo man, quite darkly funny to see that after his GE scene where he’s interrograted by the Gestapo and told he’ll never see his wife again and Dennis is incredulous- “I don’t even have a wife and this IS my military uniform, I just dyed it with boot polish.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:26:20am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:26:38am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

A lot of dramatic license especially with McQueen but as I said it’s fun and as you say it’s actually quite historical accurate with the events, just the characters take on attributes of real people combined. IF I recall, the real Tunnel King was a Canadian mining engineer. And the three guys who did get out were Norweigan and Dutch.

The background essentials about the camp and mechanics of the escape were correct. The characters and some of the details, especially McQueen’s, are fictional.

I recall from one book that there was a camp inmate reunion in the 50s or 60s that one or more of the “ferrets” (German guards who specialized in finding hidden items) attended.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:26:46am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Well, some, maybe most of the HDers are liars, but plenty actually believe their BS (don’t forget - a lie is an intentional untruth; one can be an idiot without being a liar).

Those who do not lie while inciting are still inciting. That’s the difference.

On the other hand, the HD pieces can be done without any direct incitement (even though one could argue they’re a part of a larger incitement complex).

E.g. take this denier article:


You won’t find rabid shouting about “Joooz” there. It purports to be a historico-technical analysis of an obscure issue (which will be discussed in the Denial film btw) of the presence or absence of traces of Zyklon B introduction mechanisms in the ruins of the crematoria. Now, the analysis is flawed (though the holes issue was somewhat troublesome for Lipstadt’s side during the trial, with the expert van Pelt even having changed his position on the issue between the verdict and the appeal), even though knowing Renk he must believe he “debunked” something. But I just don’t see how something like this should be punishable by law. In fact, I can see how a mainstream historian can produce a flawed analysis like this pertaining to issues unrelated to the Holocaust. Should such flawed pieces be only punished when they touch on one particular topic?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:26:48am

re: #468 MsJ

UC students are saying that it was interlopers who did that. I just read an article at WaPo (UI m.on my phone and closed the page already). The guy built an app to report on what trump is doing so you should be able to find it easily.

He said masked provocateurs were those who started shit, not students. He basically said students were not going to ruin their own school and that they didn’t protest that Milo was speaking but they were protesting what he was saying.

I definitely believe the kids.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:28:19am

re: #447 Anymouse

Holocaust denial is lying.

Your very first premise is flawed because you incorrectly deny the existence of Holocaust deniers who believe in denial.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:29:14am

re: #474 Feline Fearless Leader

The background essentials about the camp and mechanics of the escape were correct. The characters and some of the details, especially McQueen’s, are fictional.

I recall from one book that there was a camp inmate reunion in the 50s or 60s that one or more of the “ferrets” (German guards who specialized in finding hidden items) attended.

It’s pretty crazy to think about the civility that did exist. MY understanding is Goering had respect for fellow fliers of all nationalities hence why Luftwaffe prison camps while they weren’t exactly I’d call fun, let’s just say, I’d rather be in Stalag Luft than any camp that the Japanese held. I’m visiting actual Colditz Castle this summer. I’ll take pictures. I love the POW’s stories because as I said, I try to picture myself in their shoes and ohw I’d respond.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:31:25am

re: #471 wrenchwench

Mulugeta Seraw was murdered a block from my regular walking commute to one of my jobs. I forget if we moved to WA a week before or a week after.

Those 16 year olds who were arrested for planning a ‘bigger than Columbine’ event for their Orange County, CA high school? That was my high school.

Small world.

Yep. Seraw’s murder was pretty much the only story in the Portland media in the days and weeks following his senseless death.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:32:36am

re: #475 Nyet

a larger incitement complex

One of those phrases with foreseeable value. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:33:04am

re: #475 Nyet

Well, some, maybe most of the HDers are liars, but plenty actually believe their BS (don’t forget - a lie is an intentional untruth; one can be an idiot without being a liar).

Those who do not lie while inciting are still inciting. That’s the difference.

On the other hand, the HD pieces can be done without any direct incitement (even though one could argue they’re a part of a larger incitement complex).

E.g. take this denier article:

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You won’t find rabid shouting about “Joooz” there. It purports to be a historico-technical analysis of an obscure issue (which will be discussed in the Denial film btw) of the presence or absence of traces of Zyklon B introduction mechanisms in the ruins of the crematoria. Now, the analysis is flawed (though the holes issue was somewhat troublesome for Lipstadt’s side during the trial, with the expert van Pelt even having changed his position on the issue between the verdict and the appeal), even though knowing Renk he must believe he “debunked” something. But I just don’t see how something like this should be punishable by law. In fact, I can see how a mainstream historian can produce a flawed analysis like this pertaining to issues unrelated to the Holocaust. Should such flawed pieces be only punished when they touch on one particular topic?

I’m aware. I’m just saying it’s difficult from a legal standpoint I think to prove academic denial is akin to incitement for violence. Let’s say and I think this is relevant since the movie just came out but would an article saying Nat Turner was morally right to do what he did be legal incitement. That’s tough for me to say as it is for HD. I find HD awful and I am thankful I’ve never known a HDer but it’s murky ground. WE all agree HD is awful. But is it criminal? That’s the trouble.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:34:03am

re: #468 MsJ

UC students are saying that it was interlopers who did that. I just read an article at WaPo (UI m.on my phone and closed the page already). The guy built an app to report on what trump is doing so you should be able to find it easily.

He said masked provocateurs were those who started shit, not students. He basically said students were not going to ruin their own school and that they didn’t protest that Milo was speaking but they were protesting what he was saying.

Guess whose organization has a bookstore in Berkeley?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:35:29am

Sorry Sergey, I thikn we’re actually on the same page on this issue. If I understand you right, you don’t think academic denial is criminal but someone going on the streets shouting it as a way to encourage people to attack Jews might be? If so, I think we might have the same position.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:36:42am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Do you guys agree with my accessment about the three wings within the Trump admin power structure? Is it too simplified? Too complex? Thoughts. It’s really difficult to decide which one Trump is favoring the most at the moment. One might say the racists since he’s pushed their EO but he also did the corporatists a huge solid by signing the EO that weakened Dodd-Frank.

I think there is some crossover, which makes labeling…fuzzy at best.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:37:14am

re: #484 MsJ

I think there is some crossover, which makes labeling…fuzzy at best.

There’s always gonna be crossover.

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:39:43am

re: #363 jeffreyw

Morning! Wassat? Looks yummy!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:42:39am

re: #246 CuriousLurker

Good to see you back. it’s been a shitty couple of months. It STILL sucks when I wake up every day and remember this idiot was elected.

And every single morning it is something new & horrible. Every single morning.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:43:18am

re: #477 Nyet

Your very first premise is flawed because you incorrectly deny the existence of Holocaust deniers who believe in denial.

I didn’t deny the existence of Holocaust denialists. I called them liars, something our news media ought to do more often with certain government propaganda mouthpieces.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:43:52am

Never remember, the t-shirt: teepublic.com

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:44:00am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

One more thing to keep in mind: one of our co-bloggers, and co-authors of our 500-page anti-denial book, is a former denier himself (who writes about his story in the afterword). I won’t reveal much (certainly not his real name), but I will just say that he is a future legit Holocaust historian, after he gets his PhD. He certainly wasn’t a “liar” when he used to be an HDer, just a confused youth, nor was his aim to incite. Having finally seen through the idiocy of the HD he became their formidable opponent.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:44:27am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

Sorry Sergey, I thikn we’re actually on the same page on this issue. If I understand you right, you don’t think academic denial is criminal but someone going on the streets shouting it as a way to encourage people to attack Jews might be? If so, I think we might have the same position.

Yep.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:44:28am
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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:46:25am

re: #340 JasonA

Not to sound like a douchebag but I have to wonder how many Texans on food stamps and other government assistance voted GOP.

And to follow up, are those folks not listening to what those candidates were saying? I mean we have trump because people either didn’t think he’d do what he expressly said he would do, etc., etc., etc., and here we are.

I can only hope there is a lesson in here somewhere for our electorate.

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A Cranky One  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:48:44am

re: #456 stpaulbear

Stolen from Facebook this morning:

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Let me guess: there were protesters who were a-salted?

*ducks*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:48:45am

re: #490 Nyet

One more thing to keep in mind: one of our co-bloggers, and co-authors of our 500-page anti-denial book, is a former denier himself (who writes about his story in the afterword). I won’t reveal much (certainly not his real name), but I will just say that he is a future legit Holocaust historian, after he gets his PhD. He certainly wasn’t a “liar” when he used to be an HDer, just a confused youth, nor was his aim to incite. Having finally seen through the idiocy of the HD he became their formidable opponent.

That’s awesome. Always do like seeing stories about people who do complete 180’s on things like that. And I think this speaks to why I don’t think HD should be criminal. Your co-blogger would have seen himself as a victim of censorship with such laws. We owe it to future generations to document history as accurate as possible which is why I am glad Holocaust historians, horrifying though the Holocaust was don’t fall into temptation by repeating the often repeated human lampshade myth. I mean Ilse Koch was a terrible person who deserved to spend her remaining years in prison so why embellish?

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:48:47am

re: #487 Stanley Sea

And every single morning it is something new & horrible. Every single morning.

I just got a watch for less than the price of a new battery for my old one (don’t tell Blind Frog Belly White) so I can tell when it’s still morning. Got to work on time! It’s working!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:48:58am

re: #491 Nyet

Yep.

Cheers buddy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:49:11am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:49:22am

re: #492 Anymouse

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Anyone who actually believed this just wanetd to be outraged.

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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:49:49am

A man sees a sign in front of a house: “Talking Dog for Sale.” He rings the bell and the owner tells him the dog is in the backyard. He goes into the backyard and sees a black mutt just sitting there.

“You talk?” he asks.

“Yep,” the mutt replies.

“So, what’s your story?”

The mutt looks up and says, “Well, I discovered this gift pretty young and I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA about my gift, and in no time they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping.”

“I was one of their most valuable spies eight years running. But, the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn’t getting any younger and I wanted to settle down.”

“So, I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security work, mostly wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings there and was awarded a batch of medals.”

“Had a wife, a mess of puppies, and now I’m just retired.”

The man is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.

The owner says, “Ten dollars.”

The guy says, “This dog is amazing. Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?”

The owner replies, “He’s such a liar. He didn’t do any of that stuff.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:51:37am

History is on going even the past. Take what Sergey has presented to us about Lech Walesa’s involvement as an informant as a good example of what I mean here. We’er constantly discovering new information about the past. The past never really ends.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:52:21am

re: #500 plansbandc

We got a ten dollar President. Look! He can talk tweet!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:53:45am

The U.S. Department of Agriculture on Friday abruptly removed inspection reports and other information from its website about the treatment of animals at thousands of research laboratories, zoos, dog breeding operations and other facilities.

In a statement, the USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service cited court rulings and privacy laws for the decision, which it said was the result of a “comprehensive review” that took place over the past year. It said the removed documents, which also included records of enforcement actions against violators of the Animal Welfare Act and the Horse Protection Act, would now be accessible only via Freedom of Information Act Requests. Those can take years to be approved.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:55:31am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Denial thrives on the mainstream’s mistakes. The “lampshades”, the “Jewish soap” and the like, which became symbolic despite being legends, and which have nothing to do with the core of the Holocaust as such when you think about it, also became the denier icons.

It’s the same like creationists aka evolution deniers feed on the mainstream science’s mistakes, and hence you have the “icons” like Haeckel’s embryos or the Piltdown man. Which are pretty pathetic examples, but nevertheless real fuck-ups. I mean, I was taught the embryos/”biogenetic law” bullshit in school too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:55:39am
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BigPapa  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:56:12am

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60% of you won’t get this. 15% of you will and be repulsed. 15% of you will be ROTFLMAO.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:57:13am

re: #363 jeffreyw

Ah, all the fixings from Gus’s Famous Fried Chicken that recently opened here in Los Angeles!

TO…DIE…FOR…SO…GOOD!
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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:58:49am

re: #501 HappyWarrior

History is on going even the past. Take what Sergey has presented to us about Lech Walesa’s involvement as an informant as a good example of what I mean here. We’er constantly discovering new information about the past. The past never really ends.

Something to ponder: in 1992 two people were sentenced to a few months of imprisonment because they called Walesa secret agent Bolek (a claim that later turned out to be completely true).

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2017 • 9:59:15am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This quote from Tony Schwartz, the guy who actually wrote The Art of the Deal, should be taped to every reporter’s computer:

“Lying is second nature to him,” Schwartz said. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:00:18am

re: #504 Nyet

Denial thrives on the mainstream’s mistakes. The “lampshades”, the “Jewish soap” and the like, which became symbolic despite being legends, and which have nothing to do with the core of the Holocaust as such when you think about it, also became the denier icons.

It’s the same like creationists aka evolution deniers feed on the mainstream science’s mistakes, and hence you have the “icons” like Haeckel’s embryos or the Piltdown man. Which are pretty pathetic examples, but nevertheless real fuck-ups. I mean, I was taught the embryos/”biogenetic law” bullshit in school too.

That’s a good observation and I agree. When mistakes are made, a denialist can say “Well if they lied/were wrong about this, can’t they be wrong about everything?” i think that may have been in part why 9/11 Trutherism spread so easily. We only had one Congressional investigation on it here in the U.S.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:00:38am

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We have a trans-species disaster.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:01:17am

re: #508 Nyet

Something to ponder: in 1992 two people were sentenced to a few months of imprisonment because the called Walesa a secret agent Bolek (a claim that later turned out to be completely true).

Damn, didn’t know about that. Well you remember the Harvey Dent quote, you either die a hero or live to become the villain.

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TedStriker  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:01:41am

re: #457 Anymouse

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A Cranky One  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:03:58am

Was at a luncheon with a bunch of coworkers the other day. I work in a very Republican area and so usually avoid any political discussions, but the group was discussing Trump’s latest actions and everyone was appalled (a coworker from Germany mentioned how angry folks there are about Twitler’s dissing of the EU and the discussion went to the diplomatic incidents and travel ban).

One coworker, who is a Trump supporter, got really upset and asked that the discussion stop. Never seen him whine, but that’s the best description of how he acted. Was pleasantly surprised when the other coworkers pushed back. We eventually did change the subject, but not before I told him that the pee-soaked cheeto was directly fucking with members of my family and that I take that very personally. He muttered something about needing a president who would do some of the things Fuckface has done. Really wanted to ask what specifically that was, but didn’t since we need to work together a lot.

His defensiveness let me know that even in the RWNJ bubble, people are beginning to understand what a disaster the new administration is, whether they’ll admit it or not.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:04:56am

re: #493 MsJ

Not to sound like a douchebag but I have to wonder how many Texans on food stamps and other government assistance voted GOP.

And to follow up, are those folks not listening to what those candidates were saying? I mean we have trump because people either didn’t think he’d do what he expressly said he would do, etc., etc., etc., and here we are.

I can only hope there is a lesson in here somewhere for our electorate.

No. Had they listened, they would have voted for Hillary Clinton.

In my experience there are several problems here:

a) While those at places like LGF, Daily Kos, Wonkette, Free Republic, GOPUSA and others are hyper-tuned to what is going on with each candidate, the majority don’t pay any attention until the last couple weeks (see my cousin with the split Green/Libertarian ticket in Michigan).

b) Decades of “liberals are unpatriotic” and “liberals are tax-and-spend” undermine understanding of governance.

c) Conservatives have spent a great amount of political capital in messaging, such as Ronald Reagan’s “government is the problem.” They have equated the Soviet Union with socialism, then painted liberals with that label. (It is almost like an underground Third Red Scare, minus actual socialists.)

d) Conservatives have invested a great deal of political capital in running candidates for every seat, whilst the Democrats have mostly withdrawn from the middle of the country, ceding local seats without a fight. Local seats are where future leaders of any party arise. Hence the dead letter that is my county party - not supported by the state party. The state party tries to consolidate a hold on Lincoln and Omaha, and ignore the overwhelming population of the rest of the state with the argument “it is too hard.” That applies to a lot of states, not just mine. If the party only wishes to be competitive in twenty states, it is a twenty-state party.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:07:33am

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Paging Senators Sasse and Fischer. Please pick up the white courtesy phone on the politicisation of data crucial to your state’s principal industry.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:08:41am

re: #512 HappyWarrior

I would not go so far as to call Walesa a villain, albeit he’s become a liar, a coward and a jerk (and that’s ignoring e.g. his vicious homophobia). One thing to note is that his collaboration with the SB ended in 1976, so that’s a plus. And he does deserve all the praise for what he did afterwards and until the beginning of the 1990s. But after he became president he did engage in a campaign of destruction of as many documents about his collaboration as he could find (but there were so many that it was not realistic). Cover up, crime, you know. Now, it is said by some of those in the know that his denunciations to SB also ruined many lives. As I haven’t read the new docs yet, I can’t say anything on that. So not a villain, not a hero, but maybe a bit of both?

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:09:58am

re: #462 BeachDem

I know the headlines keep calling him a “Republican Party leader,” but he’s the secretary of a county party, which, if it’s anything like our county party officers, means he’s the guy they conned into taking minutes at their meetings. He’s not really an elected official.

Doesn’t excuse his idiocy, but he’s really not that big a fish.

True. But he does have the broader Republican mindset, including those in the highest levels of government.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:11:35am

I didn’t know Shiba Inus came in colors. I learned a lot.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:16:16am

re: #493 MsJ

Not to sound like a douchebag but I have to wonder how many Texans on food stamps and other government assistance voted GOP.

And to follow up, are those folks not listening to what those candidates were saying? I mean we have trump because people either didn’t think he’d do what he expressly said he would do, etc., etc., etc., and here we are.

I can only hope there is a lesson in here somewhere for our electorate.

Plenty of them. I deal with them every day. They sure love to gripe about “colored folks getting so much welfare”…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

That’s awesome. Always do like seeing stories about people who do complete 180’s on things like that. And I think this speaks to why I don’t think HD should be criminal. Your co-blogger would have seen himself as a victim of censorship with such laws. We owe it to future generations to document history as accurate as possible which is why I am glad Holocaust historians, horrifying though the Holocaust was don’t fall into temptation by repeating the often repeated human lampshade myth. I mean Ilse Koch was a terrible person who deserved to spend her remaining years in prison so why embellish?

That works both ways since there are multiple cases of academics who did good solid work and then got sucked up their own assholes* and went 180/full bore into all sorts of bad places. IIRC, David Irving at one point was respected for some of his work regarding Rommel.

* - Might be some variant of the “brain eater” where an author goes from making good work to simply churning out crap. Often accompanied by a large ego preventing anyone from helping them properly edit a work.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:18:45am

re: #519 wrenchwench

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I didn’t know Shiba Inus came in colors. I learned a lot.

He looks like one we had here at the park. Gorgeous boy but majorly aggressive - don’t know if that normal to the breed or if he was just particularly territorial. Little fucker pulled a twisty stake out of the ground to attack my Buddy once when we walked by. Buddy gave as good as he got and both emerged with only a few minor dings fortunately. I wasn’t real fond of that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:20:01am

re: #517 Nyet

I would not go so far as to call Walesa a villain, albeit he’s become a liar, a coward and a jerk (and that’s ignoring e.g. his vicious homophobia). One thing to note is that his collaboration with the SB ended in 1976, so that’s a plus. And he does deserve all the praise for what he did afterwards and until the beginning of the 1990s. But after he became president he did engage in a campaign of destruction of as many documents about his collaboration as he could find (but there were so many that it was not realistic). Cover up, crime, you know. Now, it is said by some of those in the know that his denunciations to SB also ruined many lives. As I haven’t read the new docs yet, I can’t say anything on that. So not a villain, not a hero, but maybe a bit of both?

Well I don’t mean literally a villain. Just how one’s perception can change with time. It does show the complex nature of humanity though. Like when one reads about American communists. American communists were condemning lynching in America and from what I recall the only part that was completely doing so but they were also condoning Stalin’s purges in the 30’s.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:20:22am

re: #509 Barefoot Grin

This quote from Tony Schwartz, the guy who actually wrote The Art of the Deal, should be taped to every reporter’s computer:

“Lying is second nature to him,” Schwartz said. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”

With an additional cite from Kurt Eichenwald’s article Can Trump tell the difference between truth and lies?

“Although deception is in almost everyone’s social repertoire, it is generally employed as a tactical or strategic option of last resort,” said Dr. Timothy R. Levine, a communications professor at Michigan State University who co-authored a 2010 report on experiments about lying. “Absent psychopathology, people do not deceive when the truth works just fine.”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:20:23am

re: #507 Joe Bacon

Ah, all the fixings from Gus’s Famous Fried Chicken that recently opened here in Los Angeles!

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My food hit today after effectively being apartment bound for two weeks and not having much appetite was hitting a good local diner and getting eggs benedict florentine with a side of bacon and home fries. First three bites were heaven for the palate. Rest was good too, but arguably reaching gluttony by the end.

I should have taken a picture of it before eating it. I regret nothing.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:21:05am

re: #521 Feline Fearless Leader

Irving was considered a “citable” historian (no more…).

One other example would be Nolte, though he is still citable, but he flirted with denial.

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(alpuz)  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:21:39am

re: #522 allegro

Looks like a Malamute. Do you know if that was the breed of dog you came across?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:21:52am

re: #521 Feline Fearless Leader

That works both ways since there are multiple cases of academics who did good solid work and then got sucked up their own assholes* and went 180/full bore into all sorts of bad places. IIRC, David Irving at one point was respected for some of his work regarding Rommel.

* - Might be some variant of the “brain eater” where an author goes from making good work to simply churning out crap. Often accompanied by a large ego preventing anyone from helping them properly edit a work.

If Ward Churchill had shut his mouth about 9/11, I think he still would have been considered one of the best minds in ethnic studies. Still SMH at that btw, Little Eichmanns? REally?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:22:38am

My wife forwarded a message to the local Mensa group from the American Library Association concerning GOP legislation. I’ll forward her message to LGF.

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I’m forwarding this message, which came from the American Library Association, informing their membership of this important, but little-reported piece of upcoming legislation, which would remove privacy for anyone’s email. Thus, they could go in without a warrant or even knowlege or belief that anything was wrong.

Depending on how this were used, one could get into trouble on the basis of who contacted them. With over 80% of Internet traffic being spam, and as easy as it is to get on dubious email lists, you could be in trouble because you got email from some spammer with some “interesting” connections, selling you a product which you probably don’t want to own anyway, but it coming from or sending the money to forbidden nations, organizations, or people. Even if it came to nothing, it would be an unwanted irritation and use of time and other resources.

Please contact your congressman opposing this.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:23:52am

re: #527 (alpuz)

Looks like a Malamute. Do you know if that was the breed of dog you came across?

He was a Shiba Inu. I remember because I had never heard of the breed before then and asked about him because he was such a beauty.

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Nyet  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:25:49am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

If Ward Churchill had shut his mouth about 9/11, I think he still would have been considered one of the best minds in ethnic studies. Still SMH at that btw, Little Eichmanns? REally?

Not sure. That was actually small potatoes compared to his scholarly misconduct (fabrications etc.).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:27:15am

re: #531 Nyet

Not sure. That was actually small potatoes compared to his scholarly misconduct (fabrications etc.).

Yeah the little Eichmann comemtn though is what got the focus naturally tho. Ayhow going upstairs. SEe you all up there.

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(alpuz)  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:27:21am

re: #530 allegro

He was a Shiba Inu. I remember because I had never heard of the breed before then and asked about him because he was such a beauty.

Yeah, sorry about that. I was just gonna post about always reading the links.

I had what people think is either an Akita or an Elkhound. Personally, I think it was a mix(Pound dog). She went nuts around the age of 5-6 and would attack anything smaller, including dogs. It really sucked, because she was a cool dog.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:27:34am

re: #390 Anymouse

Has Richard Spencer been reported to Twitter yet, or are the libertarian dudebros that run it hiding behind Freeze Peach?

If Holocaust denial can’t be held as criminal, how could something significantly lesser like doxxing be held that way? Both seek to harass their targets.

Do remember that Rage Furby’s WeSearchR got permabanned when they threatened to doxx the guy hero who punched Spencer in the face.

Spencer is setting up the victim card to roll with at any point.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:30:13am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov. Mike Huckabee ✔ @GovMikeHuckabee
Just saw TV ad for machine that juices stuff like kale and greens; looked like snot. Yuk! I’m sure it’s great, but I still prefer bacon.
11:09 AM - 4 Feb 2017
118 118 Retweets 958 958 likes

WTF???

Ol’ Huck hasn’t been the same since messing with the Kentucky Marriage License Denier. And then his getting spit out of the GOP primary. All downhill since. Sad Mike. Real Sad.

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kirkspencer  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:32:19am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Do you guys agree with my accessment about the three wings within the Trump admin power structure? Is it too simplified? Too complex? Thoughts. It’s really difficult to decide which one Trump is favoring the most at the moment. One might say the racists since he’s pushed their EO but he also did the corporatists a huge solid by signing the EO that weakened Dodd-Frank.

So I’m leaning toward a different sort of break of the structure. It starts with a core assumption, that there are two tiers to the power structure. There are the people who were part of Team Trump before he won the nomination, and there are the people who came after.

The second tier tends to break as you said, with the caveat that these are the people who Trump - or someone in the first tier - thinks Trump needs, wants to connect with, or owes. At the same time they’re expendables.

The real power is that first tier. And here I’m still working out what they are more accurately.

I mean, you’ve got Kushner. He’s the corporatist who also happens to be a racist who is driven by the need to prove Daddy was right.

You’ve got Bannon who at root is bent on destroying America-as-is so he can make America-as-desired. It’s important, I think, to remember that even though the America he wants is an internally inconsistent mix of isolationist and white center of a world empire, the need to destroy what is comes first.

Not easy to categorize, and the rest of the core is just as complex.

But I think that the big cracks to come are driven by the tier break more than ideological breaks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:38:17am

re: #525 Feline Fearless Leader

My food hit today after effectively being apartment bound for two weeks and not having much appetite was hitting a good local diner and getting eggs benedict florentine with a side of bacon and home fries. First three bites were heaven for the palate. Rest was good too, but arguably reaching gluttony by the end.

I should have taken a picture of it before eating it. I regret nothing.

I just made Reuben sammiches in the panini press.
Was gonna take a picture but I felt required to eat it all before it went bad…

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MsJ  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:40:03am

re: #536 kirkspencer

Put this in.the next thread. Or Page it. This is good stuff.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2017 • 10:41:23am

My brother-in-law reports my sister-in-law was in a car wreck yesterday. She was uninjured: Her Hyundai was T-boned by a giant pick-up truck. Apparently, the only damage was to the passenger side door.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 11:14:33am

re: #486 MsJ

Morning! Wassat? Looks yummy!

Thanks! Those are coconut oatmeal raisin cookies with chocolate, yogurt, and caramel chips. This recipe with additions and subtractions as per ingredient availability. They are superb cookies.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 11:27:39am

re: #507 Joe Bacon

Ah, all the fixings from Gus’s Famous Fried Chicken that recently opened here in Los Angeles!

[Embedded content]

Looks pretty good! We just came back from a store run with some Kroger deli fried chicken that is surprisingly good. I prefer it to any of the fast food chicken we have available. I never take pictures of it but I may, next time.

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jeffreyw  Feb 4, 2017 • 11:52:25am

re: #537 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just made Reuben sammiches in the panini press.
Was gonna take a picture but I felt required to eat it all before it went bad…

Imgur


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Belafon  Feb 4, 2017 • 12:09:53pm

re: #524 BeachDem

You bold isn’t closed.


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