Sunday Night Songwriter: Laura Marling, “Wild Fire” (With Chris Thile)

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Two of my favorite musicians, Laura Marling and Chris Thile, join forces for a great song from Laura’s upcoming new album.

You wanna get high
You’ll overcome those desires before you come to me
I know your mama’s kinda sad
I know your papa’s kinda mean
I can take it all away
You can stop playing that shit out on me

She keeps a pen behind her ear
Because she’s got something she really really needs to say
She puts it in a notepad
She’s gonna write a book someday

Of course the only part that I want to read
Is about her time spent with me
Wouldn’t you die to know how you seem
Are you getting away with who you’re trying to be?

Of course there’s things upon the Earth that we must really try to defend
You lonely beast
You kind heart
Something we can all trend
I do it all for her, for free
I need nothing back for me
There’s no sweeter deed maybe
Than to love something enough to want to help it get free

Is there something on your mind?
Something you need to get by?
Do you cry sometimes?
Do you cry sometimes?

You always say you love me most
But I don’t know I’m being seen
Maybe someday when God takes me away
I’ll understand what the fuck that means
I just know your mama’s kinda sad
I know your papa’s kinda mean
I wish I could take it all away
You could stop playing that shit out on me

Is there something on your mind?
Something you need to get by?
Do you cry sometimes?
Do you cry sometimes?

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:14:35pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:14:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:17:19pm

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From “You forgot Poland” “to “we’ll take Belarus’s side over one of our best allies in Eastern Europe.” WTF is Flynn doing.

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Moebym  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:18:28pm

Massive anti-corruption protests in Romania.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:21:50pm
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retired cynic  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:26:24pm

re: #5 jaunte

Add in DT’s mouth, on the Bill-O show and elsewhere.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:26:40pm

Well Ya’ll, I feel fucking Monday’s work pile already. Gotta hit the rack & get as much sleep as possible.

For me being West Coast, when I awake the yam has already done some idiotic/dangerous thing. Can’t wait….sweet dreams

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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:28:24pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

From “You forgot Poland” “to “we’ll take Belarus’s side over one of our best allies in Eastern Europe.” WTF is Flynn doing.

Setting up Russia to invade Poland.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:28:47pm

Should get going to bed soon I guess. I hate that a sports game result can put such a damper in my mood. I know it’s just a game but damn it after seeing how both Spencer and Trump wanted NE to win, seeing them unhappy about a NE loss would have been that much better but that said, professional sports is literally against everything that Nazi piece of shit Spencer stands for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:30:03pm

re: #8 allegro

Setting up Russia to invade Poland.

Sure seems that way. I wonder if such a thing were to happen that we’d see the same thing happen that occured during the Spanish Civil War where foreign volunteers volunteered in defense. I dunno. It deeply troubles me how Trump regards our allies.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:33:25pm

Whatever happens, we’re going to need to be very patient with Trump’s Democratic successor. It will take a lot of time to repair the damage Trump is doing.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:34:27pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:35:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:35:46pm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:37:07pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

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God that WH visit is going to be a trip. I’d be amused if anyone refused to go since the same people who steadfastly defended anyone who refused to go when Obama was President will blow a gasket if anyone does under Trump.

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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:38:00pm

re: #12 BeachDem

Are you a fan of Loreena McKennitt?

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Nyet  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:38:24pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Sure seems that way. I wonder if such a thing were to happen

Such a thing is practically impossible so will not happen.

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Moebym  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:38:59pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Assuming there are elections in 2020.

And I’m not so optimistic about how Trump’s Democratic successor will be treated, if how the far left treated Obama is anything to go by.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:41:29pm

re: #17 Nyet

Such a thing is practically impossible so will not happen.

What do you think the end game is?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:42:03pm

re: #18 Moebym

Assuming there are elections in 2020.

And I’m not so optimistic about how Trump’s Democratic successor will be treated, if how the far left treated Obama is anything to go by.

Yeah, the far left to me has become a problem in its own right.

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Nyet  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:43:10pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

What do you think the end game is?

No idea, but if anyone has to fear anything it’s Belarus, which would be a good candidate for annexation in case anything happens to Lukashenko.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:44:18pm

re: #16 allegro

Are you a fan of Loreena McKennitt?

Not familiar with her—will check her out. Big fan of Delores Keane.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:44:22pm

re: #21 Nyet

No idea, but if anyone has to fear anything it’s Belarus, which would be a good candidate for annexation in case anything happens to Lukashenko.

Yeah that’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:45:41pm

Speaking of Ireland though, think I finally found a good website to help me in my quest to find out more about where my Irish relations may have been from and if I have possible family there still. I mean I obviously do but the question is how closely related. Of all the people in my family, the Irish collectively left the earliest.

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:47:21pm

Normalization of white supremacy continues unabated.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:47:23pm
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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:47:54pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Ireland though, think I finally found a good website to help me in my quest to find out more about where my Irish relations may have been from and if I have possible family there still. I mean I obviously do but the question is how closely related. Of all the people in my family, the Irish collectively left the earliest.

Or you could trek around Ireland and just ask everyone you meet if they’re related to you. Could take months! I don’t see a downside; and I could go with you—I love Ireland!

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:50:58pm
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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:51:52pm

re: #22 BeachDem

Not familiar with her—will check her out. Big fan of Delores Keane.

I was introduced to Loreena McKennett years ago in, of all places, the witch shop in Salem, MA. Went in looking for medicinal herbs (occult shops are the best places for that stuff) but found only totally commercial crap but there was music playing that was mesmerizing. Asked the woman about it and she produced a CD that I immediately bought, The Mask and the Mirror (here if you’re a Prime member). I have been a huge fan of hers since.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:52:00pm

re: #27 BeachDem

Or you could trek around Ireland and just ask everyone you meet if they’re related to you. Could take months! I don’t see a downside; and I could go with you—I love Ireland!

Sounds like a plan! Heh it would be really hard to do though. I have some really really common surnames. I love Ireland too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 9:53:39pm

It does seem that to oppose fascism is being deemed just as bad if not worse than actually being fascist these days. Fah.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:02:01pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a plan! Heh it would be really hard to do though. I have some really really common surnames. I love Ireland too.

In honor of our love of Ireland, a pic of a puffin, taken at the Skellig Islands—and now goodnight.

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CleverToad  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:04:10pm

Second ad I’ve seen on the Science Channel tonight for Gorsuch.
Paid for by Judicial Crisis Network.
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I don’t remember seeing ads for Supreme Court nominees before.

Oh, and the guy who tops this chart for agreeing with Trump is my less-than-admirable senator.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Signing off for the night. Have had all the bad news I can handle. Have to be up early to start emailing my congress critters again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:05:05pm

re: #33 CleverToad

Second ad I’ve seen on the Science Channel tonight for Gorsuch.
Paid for by Judicial Crisis Network.
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I don’t remember seeing ads for Supreme Court nominees before.

Oh, and the guy who tops this chart for agreeing with Trump is my less-than-admirable senator.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Signing off for the night. Have had all the bad news I can handle. Have to be up early to start emailing my congress critters again.

I definitely don’t for Obama’s.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:05:20pm

I do know there wre ads ran against Bork but Bork was an unique case.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:05:46pm

re: #32 BeachDem

In honor of our love of Ireland, a pic of a puffin, taken at the Skelling Islands—and now goodnight.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:05:58pm

Oh—one more thing I hadn’t seen about his idiotic interview—

now he’s going to de-fund California for sanctuary cities? And described this brilliant plan as a weapon?

So he’s now declaring war on a US state? Gah.

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:07:13pm
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Three times that many people die from guns in the United States annually.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:09:15pm

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And to think Trump wants war with Iran.

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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:09:58pm

Loreena McKennitt - The Mummer’s Dance

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Nyet  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:11:13pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

And to think Trump wants war with Iran.

He’s welcome to do it. Heck, I think he should be dropped from a military plane in the middle of Tehran so that he can fight it personally.

(Parachute optional.)

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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:11:16pm

re: #37 BeachDem

Oh—one more thing I hadn’t seen about his idiotic interview—

now he’s going to de-fund California for sanctuary cities? And described this brilliant plan as a weapon?

So he’s now declaring war on a US state? Gah.

He’ll have to defund Texas too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:12:33pm

re: #41 Nyet

He’s welcome to do it. Heck, I think he should be dropped from a military plane in the middle of Tehran so that he can fight it personally.

(Parachute optional.)

That’d be something.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:13:35pm

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Gorgeous voice—breathtaking video. Thanks.

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:15:40pm

re: #37 BeachDem

Oh—one more thing I hadn’t seen about his idiotic interview—

now he’s going to de-fund California for sanctuary cities? And described this brilliant plan as a weapon?

So he’s now declaring war on a US state? Gah.

There’s 14 Republicans in the House from California. Including the majority leader. What does he think happens if he tries to “defund” California?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:16:06pm

re: #45 KGxvi

There’s 14 Republicans in the House from California. Including the majority leader. What does he think happens if he tries to “defund” California?

He doesn’t think.

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:17:11pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t think.

Fair point.

On the bright side, that’s probably 14 more votes for impeachment. Meaning we only need 11 more

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:31:41pm

I wonder if Fuckface Von Clownstick is going to say ‘happy birthday’ to St. Ronaldus Reagan on Twitter tomorrow.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:44:57pm
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ckkatz  Feb 5, 2017 • 10:48:34pm

re: #40 allegro

My favorite Loreena McKennitt song, thanks for posting it!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2017 • 11:21:52pm

re: #8 allegro

Setting up Russia to invade Poland.

Bad things usually follow when Poland gets invaded…

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wheat-dogg  Feb 5, 2017 • 11:29:16pm

Folks in Hong Kong are preparing for an economic disaster, because of Trump.

m.scmp.com

Chan Ka-keung meanwhile wrote on his blog that if and when Trump introduced controversial policies, he would need to coordinate with Congress and other American stakeholders.

In the process, he said, Trump would inevitably test to what extent Congress and the country’s judiciary can check a president’s power. Trump could also test the “bottom line of the international community”, he warned.

Chan Ka-keung added that over the years, US presidents have always sought common ground with people who follow different political beliefs. But he expressed doubts over whether Trump would do the same.

“Hong Kong is an open ­economy. Any untoward changes in international trade and financial systems will unavoidably ­affect us,” he said.

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allegro  Feb 5, 2017 • 11:40:09pm

I’m gonna get weird now… listening to Loreena (still am) inspired me to pull out my old Tarot cards that I haven’t done in forever. And no, I don’t believe in magic or soothsaying. At all. However the cards have merit kind of in the way a Rorschach test does. The symbolism can lead to insight when explored with inner feelings, fears, hopes. It’s easier reading others than myself, even easier reading strangers than friends/family because there are no preconceptions, though I’m not telling them anything. They tell me through questioning using the cards as tools, the cards giving them “permission” to share some deep stuff, like they think I already know it because the cards told me, so why not spill their guts. I’ve been told I’m psychic when they have an epiphany which always amuses me because they just told me. I tell them this in advance and throughout that they are the ones doing this, not the cards or me, but somehow it still is perceived as “magic” when stuff comes together for them or they have an insight no matter how many times or in how many ways I tell them otherwise.

My reading just now gave me comfort. Helped me to pick apart pieces of the whole, like how to eat an elephant: one bite at a time. I should do this more often.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2017 • 12:11:50am

wow, dragged an image to a comment, Firefox crashed and ate the image off my hard drive. Summabitch.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2017 • 12:14:37am

Mt. and Lake Shasta

My moment of zen for the evening.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 1:10:14am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Bad things usually follow when Poland gets invaded…

When my wife and I were in Poland Russia was already building up its armed forces in the Kaliningrad Exclave and had banned land border crossings by Americans (not that we wanted to go there).

They have been building up their forces even more since then.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 1:12:00am

re: #53 allegro

I’m gonna get weird now… listening to Loreena (still am) inspired me to pull out my old Tarot cards that I haven’t done in forever. And no, I don’t believe in magic or soothsaying. At all. However the cards have merit kind of in the way a Rorschach test does. The symbolism can lead to insight when explored with inner feelings, fears, hopes. It’s easier reading others than myself, even easier reading strangers than friends/family because there are no preconceptions, though I’m not telling them anything. They tell me through questioning using the cards as tools, the cards giving them “permission” to share some deep stuff, like they think I already know it because the cards told me, so why not spill their guts. I’ve been told I’m psychic when they have an epiphany which always amuses me because they just told me. I tell them this in advance and throughout that they are the ones doing this, not the cards or me, but somehow it still is perceived as “magic” when stuff comes together for them or they have an insight no matter how many times or in how many ways I tell them otherwise.

My reading just now gave me comfort. Helped me to pick apart pieces of the whole, like how to eat an elephant: one bite at a time. I should do this more often.

I have a couple sets I’ve been recently doing that with myself and for the same reasons. I would note in a Handmaid’s Tale type government possession of Tarot cards would likely get you sent to the colonies.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2017 • 1:26:10am

Talking Heads Crosseyed and Painless -84

The lyrics for all three of these songs seem to fit the new administration.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 1:38:38am

Jon Pavlovitz is a highly-regarded pastor in North Carolina. He has written a number of essays that all manners of Christians (and non-believers) follow.

It’s Time We Stopped Calling Donald Trump a Christian (Goes to John Pavlovitz’s Website)

He has written in the past about such subjects as Evangelicals don’t really care about women, &c.

In his February 2 essay, he aims at the fundamentalists supporting Mr. Trump to point out Mr. Trump is not who he seems. The whole essay is worth reading, but here are a few choice bits:

The high profile-evangelists in his corner assured their rightly alarmed flocks, that behind the scenes Donnie was changed man, a “baby Christian” who’d now seen the light and was making his way down the narrow road of faith to lead us all to the Promised Land (where curiously America was first and everyone was white.)

Sure, he was on his third marriage and was heard on video boasting of his infidelity to his current wife. Yes, he said he could grab a woman by the genitalia. Yes, he advocated that protesters at his rallies be “roughed up.” Sure, he made fun of a disabled man. Certainly, he talked about walling off Mexicans and banning Muslims and taking away healthcare—but Donnie loved Jesus now, so all should be well with our souls.

And …

Christian, you might be tempted to argue with me or attack my position, and you would be welcome to, but I’d first suggest you go and read the Sermon on the Mount, spend some time in reflection and prayer—and then look with fresh eyes and tell me where you see Jesus in this man’s life and why you’re okay claiming it as your own.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 2:08:18am

re: #18 Moebym

Assuming there are elections in 2020.

And I’m not so optimistic about how Trump’s Democratic successor will be treated, if how the far left treated Obama is anything to go by.

I assume that Trump will be able to pull off enough economic shell games and sleight-of-hand to keep the economy afloat enough to ensure his re-election, especially if the press plays along as they did in 2016.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 2:12:19am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that Trump will be able to pull off enough economic shell games and sleight-of-hand to keep the economy afloat enough to ensure his re-election, especially if the press plays along as they did in 2016.

I dunno, the GOP leadership is awfully quiet about everything going on in the administration.

Moreover, the claim by Trump’s lawyers that the courts have no right to overturn his security EO on grounds of “national security” if upheld would give any EO the power to avoid court review.

Protests? National security. Democrats? National security. And so on.

Moreover, if Mr. Trump doesn’t fire Mr. Bannon soon, how long before Bannon deposes Trump? It’s Bannon that wants to blow up the world order, Trump just wants to make money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 2:14:37am

re: #63 Anymouse

DT is good at creating the illusion of success and prosperity where none exists. I suspect that his people will be able to pull that off with the US economy and stave of the inevitable collapse until he has been re-elected.

And I place very little hope in the mid-terms, I think that at best the Democrats will hold their ground.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 2:31:06am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is good at creating the illusion of success and prosperity where none exists. I suspect that his people will be able to pull that off with the US economy and stave of the inevitable collapse until he has been re-elected.

And I place very little hope in the mid-terms, I think that at best the Democrats will hold their ground.

Well, I certainly hold little hope of Democrats gaining anything here. In a three district state the GOP managed to gerrymander it.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 3:35:05am
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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:09:52am

re: #58 Anymouse

When my wife and I were in Poland Russia was already building up its armed forces in the Kaliningrad Exclave and had banned land border crossings by Americans (not that we wanted to go there).

They have been building up their forces even more since then.

Defensive measures. But just as no one will realistically occupy Kaliningrad, no one will realistically occupy Poland. Such suggestions betray somewhat of a naive view of the whole situation, without an understanding of why and what gets invaded. If you think about the reasons for, e.g., the Ukrainian invasion, the logistics of it as well as the long-term consequences of it for just a minute, such scenarios should become obviously fantastical.

So let’s not get paranoid and carried away: countries like Poland, Finland, Czech Republic or Sweden won’t get invaded any time soon. Neither will the Baltics. The danger zones are non-NATO members with large Russian-speaking populations. Because they’re the only ones that can be sustainably occupied by Russia in long term, and that only if the population is half-willing (see Ukraine, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria… the latter three not still not formally annexed BTW, despite being the earliest conflict zones).

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:17:25am

re: #68 Nyet

Defensive measures. But just as no one will realistically occupy Kaliningrad, no one will realistically occupy Poland. Such suggestions betray somewhat of a naive view of the whole situation, without an understanding of why and what gets invaded. If you think about the reasons for, e.g., the Ukrainian invasion, the logistics of it as well as the long-term consequences of it for just a minute, such scenarios should become obviously fantastical.

So let’s not get paranoid and carried away: countries like Poland, Finland, Czech Republic or Sweden won’t get invaded any time soon. Neither will the Baltics. The danger zones are non-NATO members with large Russian-speaking populations. Because they’re the only ones that can be sustainably occupied by Russia.

Hmm. Ukraine is already being invaded. Mr. Trump has stated through his President Steve Bannon that he thinks NATO is obsolete.

Right up to the actual invasion of Poland in WW2 western governments were insisting that it was all just sabre rattling. The Baltic nations cannot stand up even for a couple days against the Russian military if Vladimir Putin decides he wants to re-create the Soviet state.

I’ll go with my sister-in-law’s opinion on this, since she came from the Soviet Union. Putin will do it, he’s just looking for the right opportunity.

Bannon wants all-out warfare. With the notation in the New York Times that he apparently slipped himself onto the NSC in an executive order, I wonder how long it is before he slips in another one (setting aside Trump under the XXV Amendment, using the AUMF to invade someone, &c)

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:20:01am

re: #69 Anymouse

Hmm. Ukraine is already being invaded. Mr. Trump has stated through his President Steve Bannon that he thinks NATO is obsolete.

Right up to the actual invasion of Poland in WW2 western governments were insisting that it was all just sabre rattling. The Baltic nations cannot stand up even for a couple days against the Russian military if Vladimir Putin decides he wants to re-create the Soviet state.

I’ll go with my sister-in-law’s opinion on this, since she came from the Soviet Union. Putin will do it, he’s just looking for the right opportunity.

Bannon wants all-out warfare. With the notation in the New York Times that he apparently slipped himself onto the NSC in an executive order, I wonder how long it is before he slips in another one (setting aside Trump under the XXV Amendment, using the AUMF to invade someone, &c)

*whoosh* - that’s the sound of the point flying right past you. I can only lead a horse to water, not make it less ignorant about the world matters.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:25:21am

re: #70 Nyet

*whoosh* - that’s the sound of the point flying right past you. I can only lead a horse to water, not make it less ignorant about the world matters.

As I read what you wrote, I understood it to mean exactly what you wrote: No one would realistically invade Poland.

That was an assertion. My family lives in the United States now because Poland was “unrealistically invaded.”

Is your assertion that Mr. Trump would come to Poland’s aid?

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:27:22am

re: #70 Nyet

*whoosh* - that’s the sound of the point flying right past you. I can only lead a horse to water, not make it less ignorant about the world matters.

As for being ignorant of world matters, well I suppose that’s an opinion as well. Trying to stay informed about world matters is why I have subscriptions to The Economist and Foreign Affairs.

My local newspaper is still busy cheerleading for Mr. Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:30:43am
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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:32:50am

re: #71 Anymouse

As I read what you wrote, I understood it to mean exactly what you wrote: No one would realistically invade Poland.

I don’t think you understood it at all, because e.g. stating in your comment “Hmm. Ukraine is already being invaded.” is completely non-responsive to what was written.

That was an assertion.

The assertion the logic behind which was explained. Something which you seem to have missed because in your comment you just repeated the very old tired cliches that had been addressed in mine.

My family lives in the United States now because Poland was “unrealistically invaded.”

Wait, Putin has already invaded Poland? Because that’s the only unrealistic invasion of Poland I was writing about. Oh wait, you mean Hitler and Stalin. Which examples are completely irrelevant to today’s situation and were not actually unrealistic when they happened.

So once again, completely non-responsive to what was written.

Is your assertion that Mr. Trump would come to Poland’s aid?

See, you even asking this question shows that you have completely missed the point.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:33:37am

re: #72 Anymouse

As for being ignorant of world matters, well I suppose that’s an opinion as well. Trying to stay informed about world matters is why I have subscriptions to The Economist and Foreign Affairs.

My local newspaper is still busy cheerleading for Mr. Trump.

If you weren’t ignorant you wouldn’t realistically entertain obviously fantastical scenarios.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:34:21am

re: #74 Nyet

I don’t think you understood it at all, because e.g. stating in your comment “Hmm. Ukraine is already being invaded.” is completely non-responsive to what was written.

The assertion the logic behind which was explained. Something which you seem to have missed because in your comment you just repeated the very old tired cliches that had been addressed in mine.

Wait, Putin has already invaded Poland? Because that’s the only unrealistic invasion I was writing about. Oh wait, you mean Hitler and Stalin. Which examples are completely irrelevant to today’s situation and were not actually unrealistic when they happened.

So once again, completely non-responsive to what was written.

See, you even asking this question shows that you have completely missed the point.

Let me try again. “What’s your point?”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:34:24am

I mean, seriously, this is absolutely terrifying.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:34:57am

re: #76 Anymouse

Let me try again. “What’s your point?”

littlegreenfootballs.com

You’re welcome.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:40:04am

re: #76 Anymouse

Let me try again. “What’s your point?”

But OK, just for you let me highlight the key point:

If you think about the reasons for, e.g., the Ukrainian invasion, the logistics of it as well as the long-term consequences of it for just a minute, such scenarios should become obviously fantastical.

You’re welcome to compare the reasons, the logistics and the consequences of previous invasions of Poland, as well as of previous invasions by Putin.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:40:09am

re: #78 Nyet

littlegreenfootballs.com

You’re welcome.

Well, I see you are uninterested in an explanation for me, just repeating what you claimed I did not understand.

Very well, since I have such a poor understanding of world affairs and your singular comment sails over me (twice, apparently), I’ll just pass then and work on a crossword puzzle. I concede that your argument is so superior I cannot understand it.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:41:04am

re: #80 Anymouse

Well, I see you are uninterested in an explanation for me, just repeating what you claimed I did not understand.

Very well, since I have such a poor understanding of world affairs and your singular comment sails over me (twice, apparently), I’ll just pass then and work on a crossword puzzle. I concede that your argument is so superior I cannot understand it.

I don’t think I used any big words,.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:42:27am

re: #81 Nyet

I don’t think I used any big words,.

And yet when I asked you to restate it you refused.

I’ll just have to pass on this thread. I don’t understand world affairs.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:43:10am

re: #82 Anymouse

And yet when I asked you to restate it you refused.

You may have missed this.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:44:45am

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

I mean, seriously, this is absolutely terrifying.

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It honestly has me wondering how he’d respond to any electoral defeat whether it be a midterm loss or re-election. I mean if he were saying some cliche like “Presidents don’t rely on poll numbers to make their decisions” or something to that effect, fine. But completely denying his proposals are unpopular and calling the polls that show they are lies is well frankly the likes of something we’ve never seen in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:47:48am

re: #82 Anymouse

And yet when I asked you to restate it you refused.

I’ll just have to pass on this thread. I don’t understand world affairs.

If I may, if I’m understanding Sergey correctly, Putin operates with considering large bodies of population that have Russians in it and or people who would want to be part of Russia. It’s easier for him to go into Crimea where there has been people there supportive of being annexed by Russia or at least separating from the Kiev government than it would be for him to invade Poland which he would have a much difficult time trying to explain away. And Sergey if I understand you right, this is exactly why you said Belarus would be in trouble if Lukashenko went.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:48:09am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:49:02am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

It honestly has me wondering how he’d respond to any electoral defeat whether it be a midterm loss or re-election. I mean if he were saying some cliche like “Presidents don’t rely on poll numbers to make their decisions” or something to that effect, fine. But completely denying his proposals are unpopular and calling the polls that show they are lies is well frankly the likes of something we’ve never seen in this country.

One thing’s for sure, he’s not going to leave gracefully.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:50:13am

Wow such Presidential very leadership so stability

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:51:49am

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

One thing’s for sure, he’s not going to leave gracefully.

What I’m is he’ll be like James Buchanan and happy to leave. What I’m not hoping for is the other thing Buchanan left Lincoln due to his spinelessness as a leader.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:54:07am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

What I’m is he’ll be like James Buchanan and happy to leave. What I’m not hoping for is the other thing Buchanan left Lincoln due to his spinelessness as a leader.

What I’m waiting for are videos of Trump’s meltdown all over the Internet with fake German subtitles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:57:08am

LOLWUT

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:58:51am

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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As I said last night, if that’s not a metaphor for this administration, I don’t know what is.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 6, 2017 • 4:59:09am

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Not the sharpest tools in the shed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:02:49am

OBAMA: Joe, what did you do to the White House lights?

BIDEN: I put the main switch box on a Sabbath timer. I just assumed Jared would know how to turn it off.

OBAMA: Joe…

BIDEN: How was I supposed to know he’s not really Shomer Shabbat?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:05:33am

These people will be so fucked when Trump & the GOP take away their healthcare, the disability, their Medicare & Social Security:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:06:55am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

These people will be so fucked when Trump & the GOP take away their healthcare, the disability, their Medicare & Social Security:

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I feel bad for them because that hopefulness is going to turn to anger real quick when Trump shows himself to be a total fraud on the stuff they believed he would do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:07:47am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for them because that hopefulness is going to turn to anger real quick when Trump shows himself to be a total fraud on the stuff they believed he would do.

They’ll blame Obama and Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:11:01am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

They’ll blame Obama and Democrats.

Yeah they will unfortunately. Still feel bad for them since that area is been impoverished for a while.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:13:38am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

These same people voted for Matt Bevin, who promised to shut down Obamacare in KY, but they didn’t understand that the state exchange, called Kynect, which they like, is the same thing as “Obamacare.” Now they’re angry at Bevin.

So, it’s no surprise these unfortunate people fell for Trump’s sales pitch. Coal is not coming back to Beattyville, for business reasons. Trump can’t force the coal companies to mine something unprofitable, and he is sure as hell not going to provide retraining for coal miners.

It will be a cold day in hell when Trump visits Beattyville. Dream on, people.

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jeffreyw  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:15:09am

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Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:17:21am

re: #99 wheat-dogg

These same people voted for Matt Bevin, who promised to shut down Obamacare in KY, but they didn’t understand that the state exchange, called Kynect, which they like, is the same thing as “Obamacare.” Now they’re angry at Bevin.

So, it’s no surprise these unfortunate people fell for Trump’s sales pitch. Coal is not coming back to Beattyville, for business reasons. Trump can’t force the coal companies to mine something unprofitable, and he is sure as hell not going to provide retraining for coal miners.

It will be a cold day in hell when Trump visits Beattyville. Dream on, people.

McConnell who they also gave another shot is already saying the mines aren’t coming back. I mean I agree something needs to be done for these communities that have been negatively impacted by trade deals. I don’t think the course of action is to reverse the trade deals themselves or to go back to how things were but to look for new types of jobs to create and ways to revitalize those economies but unfortunately to a lot of people in places like this “Green job” may as well be saying “Columnist for the Daily Worker.” That is why in a sense, I do feel bad for people like this because they’ve been so easily conned by people not just like Trump but also Bevin and McConnell.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:20:12am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

McConnell who they also gave another shot is already saying the mines aren’t coming back. I mean I agree something needs to be done for these communities that have been negatively impacted by trade deals. I don’t think the course of action is to reverse the trade deals themselves or to go back to how things were but to look for new types of jobs to create and ways to revitalize those economies but unfortunately to a lot of people in places like this “Green job” may as well be saying “Columnist for the Daily Worker.” That is why in a sense, I do feel bad for people like this because they’ve been so easily conned by people not just like Trump but also Bevin and McConnell.

Hillary, of course, had a plan to offer training and incentives to manufacture solar panels and similar products & jobs of the future.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:21:30am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary, of course, had a plan to offer training and incentives to manufacture solar panels and similar products & jobs of the future.

But, e-mails!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:22:04am

Last night I watched the trailer for the new “Handmaid’s Tale” with Elisabeth Moss. It scared the utter crap out of me.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:25:07am

Would it be a fair guess that Reince himself is doing the leaking to break Bannon’s grip?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:26:03am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:29:47am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary, of course, had a plan to offer training and incentives to manufacture solar panels and similar products & jobs of the future.

She did. People who say Hillary didn’t talk about the economy enough aren’t paying attention. She didn’t feed voters a bunch of bullshit that they wanted to hear though like Trump did and frankly Sanders too to a different extent.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:30:24am

I was really hoping that he’d be spending the morning bragging about how Brady is just like him. Someone who overcomes all the “odds.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:31:41am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

She did. People who say Hillary didn’t talk about the economy enough aren’t paying attention. She didn’t feed voters a bunch of bullshit that they wanted to hear though like Trump did and frankly Sanders too to a different extent.

Mention “solar panels” to a wingnut and they’re like HURR HURR SOLYNDRA!!!!!!! as though nobody can ever make another solar panel again.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:32:40am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

If I may, if I’m understanding Sergey correctly, Putin operates with considering large bodies of population that have Russians in it and or people who would want to be part of Russia. It’s easier for him to go into Crimea where there has been people there supportive of being annexed by Russia or at least separating from the Kiev government than it would be for him to invade Poland which he would have a much difficult time trying to explain away. And Sergey if I understand you right, this is exactly why you said Belarus would be in trouble if Lukashenko went.

Exactly. There’s more to it, of course.

Reasons:

Stalin’s reason was getting back the Russian Empire territories, as well as what was lost during the Soviet-Polish war. Hence the annexation of the Western parts of Belarus and Ukraine, as well as plans for annexation of Finland, but never an attempt to, say, make Mongolia or Bulgaria official parts of the USSR (despite them being under Soviet control).

Hitler’s reason was Lebensraum.

Putin’s reasons are a mix of political maneuvering to stay in power (the “victorious little war” principle), nationalistic “protection of the Russian population”, as well as of the groups and territories seen as traditionally friendly or even as Russia’s “own” (that includes keeping them from becoming a part of the NATO-member states). And of course expanding the territory based on the “historical rights” principle never hurts as long as it doesn’t actually hurt (see the next point).

As far as reasons are concerned, Poland is right out. Baltics is not, since it has big Russian populations, but that’s what the next point is about.

Logistics and long-term consequences:

Both Stalin and Hitler had merciless totalitarian state apparatuses as well as the resources that made it possible to occupy foreign, unwilling population (such as that in the Baltics and Poland) for a long time through application of extremely brutal measures, including mass deportations.

Russia is simply not there politically and won’t be there for quite some time. It’s authoritarian but not totalitarian. It may happen sometime in an unforeseeable future, but we should be basing our assessments on what the situation is on the ground right now, not on some hypothetical one can always imagine.

Russia is quite poor. Yes, the army has been somewhat regenerated, yes, there are nuclear weapons, but that’s that. There are barely resources to keep the annexed Crimea intact and to clandestinely help the Donbass separatists (the financial side of things is already a headache), much less for any long-term occupation of a completely hostile population which takes 100x more resources, not to mention the human cost.

Both Hitler and Stalin operated in a completely different global political context which is simply in no way comparable to today. What was possible then is inconceivable now. US is hardly the only thing keeping Putin away. While some forces in Europe would like to tolerate the Crimea annexation because they think of it like rightfully belonging to Russia due to its ethnically Russian majority population, even they would not tolerate incursion on the territories that are not seen as traditionally Russian. If Poland were to be invaded, then any European country would be in danger, and even if the likes of LePen were in power, i.e. the nationalists that traditionally support Putin as a fellow nationalist when it comes to Crimea, they would turn against him in a second. Because such an unmotivated invasion of a foreign, non-Russian population would mean danger to their own nations.

So that would lose Putin all his far-right connections and would completely isolate him politically and economically (much more so than the current wobbly and weak pariah-status). Moreover, it would most likely cause a war, because almost no European country would go down without a fight, esp. those with the past Soviet experience, and you bet they would most likely receive help from the fellow European nations (whether they would receive it from Trump or not).

So going into the territories that are not seen as traditionally Russian would with a great likelihood mean an all out pan-European war. Which Putin might even be able to win purely “physically” but which would come at a great cost to Russia and Putin personally, something which is not on the agenda because such an action would not be understood by the Russians (since Poland is not a traditionally Russian territory) and which would lead to dire economic and other consequences for them. Almost the same holds for the Baltic countries which, despite the large Russian populations, are still majority non-Russian and have a deep historical memory of the Soviet occupation, which would mean bloody resistance and, to repeat, Russia is simply not there politically and economically to deal with it.

So there is no point in saying that Russia might physically invade this or that country. Purely hypothetically it can (and so can the US), but it simply won’t happen unless quite a few domino pieces fall into place.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:32:42am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:34:26am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Mention “solar panels” to a wingnut and they’re like HURR HURR SOLYNDRA!!!!!!! as though nobody can ever make another solar panel again.

Yeah exactly. Plus a lot of people hear “solar” or “wind” energy and they think it’s just a bunch of hippie crap.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:35:54am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Yeah exactly. Plus a lot of people hear “solar” or “wind” energy and they think it’s just a bunch of hippie crap.

Oddly enough, wingnut “preppers” recommend installing solar panels.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:42:05am

re: #111 Nyet

Exactly. There’s more to it, of course.

Reasons:

Stalin’s reason was getting back the Russian Empire territories, as well as what was lost during the Soviet-Polish war. Hence the annexation of the Western parts of Belarus and Ukraine, as well as plans for annexation of Finland, but never an attempt to, say, make Mongolia or Bulgaria official parts of the USSR (despite them being under Soviet control).

Hitler’s reason was Lebensraum.

Putin’s reasons are a mix of political maneuvering to stay in power (the “victorious little war” principle), nationalistic “protection of the Russian population”, as well as of the groups and territories it sees as traditionally friendly or even as Russia’s “own” (that includes keeping them from becoming a part of the NATO-member states). And of course expanding the territory based on the “historical rights” principle never hurts as long as it doesn’t actually hurt (see the next point).

As far as reasons are concerned, Poland is right out. Baltics is not, since it has big Russian populations, but that’s what the next point is about.

Logistics and long-term consequences:

Both Stalin and Hitler had merciless totalitarian state apparatuses as well as the resources that made it possible to occupy foreign, unwilling population (such as that in the Baltics) for a long time through application of extremely brutal measures, including mass deportations.

Russia is simply not there politically and won’t be there for quite some time. It’s authoritarian but not totalitarian. It may happen sometime in an unforeseeable future, but we should be basing our assessments on what the situation is on the ground right now, not on some hypothetical one can always imagine.

Russia is quite poor. Yes, the army has been somewhat regenerated, yes, there are nuclear weapons, but that’s that. There are barely resources to keep the annexed Crimea intact and to clandestinely help the Donbass separatists (the financial side of things is already a headache), much less for any long-term occupation of a completely hostile population which takes 100x more resources, not to mention that human cost.

Both Hitler and Stalin operated in a completely different global political context which is simply in no way comparable to today. What was possible then is inconceivable now. US is hardly the only thing keeping Putin away. While some forces in Europe would like to tolerate the Crimea annexation because they think of it like rightfully belonging to Russia due to its ethnically Russian majority population, even they would not tolerate incursion on the territories that are not seen as traditionally Russian. If Poland were to be invaded, then any European country would be in danger, and even if the likes of LePen were in power, i.e. the nationalists that traditionally support Putin as a fellow nationalist when it comes to Crimea, would turn against him in a second. Because such an unmotivated invasion of a foreign, non-Russian population would mean danger to their own nations.

So that would lose Putin all his far-right connections and would completely isolate him politically and economically (much more so than the current wobbly and weak pariah-status). Moreover, it would most likely cause a war, because almost no European country would go down without a fight, esp. those with the past Soviet experience, and you bet they would most likely receive help from the fellow European nations (whether they would receive it from Trump or not).

So going into the territories that are not seen as traditionally Russian would with a great likelihood mean an all out pan-European war. Which Putin might even be able to win purely “physically” but which would come at a great cost to Russia and Putin personally, something which is not on the agenda because such an action would not be understood by the Russians (since Poland is not a traditionally Russian territory) and which would lead to dire economic and other consequences for them. Almost the same holds for the Baltic countries which, despite the large Russian populations, are still majority non-Russian and have a deep historical memory of the Soviet occupation, which would mean bloody resistance and, to repeat, Russia is simply not there politically and economically to deal with it.

So there is no point in saying that Russia might physically invade this or that country. Purely hypothetically it can (and so can the US), but it simply won’t happen unless quite a few domino pieces fall into place.

Yeah, I see the actions in the Ukraine as his way of appealing to the Russian nationalists within greater Russian society who see Ukraine as a part of Russia lost when the USSR fell plus it’s nationalism is always a great way to divert from economic mismanagement. You make a great point about resources as well and Russia’s status economically at this point for why a Polish invasion would be out of the question at this venture or of say a Baltic nation like Lithuania, Latvia, or Estonia. The memories of the Soviet occupation still loom large in those areas and in the case of Poland, the Soviet satelitte era. It’s far easier at this point for Putin to go after places like Ukraine and possibly Belarus because of all that you mention. I think even a Pro-Putin hack like Greenwald would have a difficult time explaining a Soviet or Baltic invasion but a Belorussian annexation would be easy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:42:30am

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Oddly enough, wingnut “preppers” recommend installing solar panels.

There’s always funny intersection.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:46:39am

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Oddly enough, wingnut “preppers” recommend installing solar panels.

And farmers used windmills to draw water from wells for decades.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:48:28am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Even as the Russian internet “patriots” were cheering on the Ukrainian invasion, the most common suggestion among the more extreme wing was to annex the whole territory right up to Dnieper, leaving the Western parts of Ukraine (historically more hostile to Russia) alone or giving them back to Poland. Same principle: who would want a hostile population to care about?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:48:39am

re: #117 TedStriker

And farmers used windmills to draw water from wells for decades.

And water wheels to grind grain.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:50:27am

re: #117 TedStriker

And farmers used windmills to draw water from wells for decades.

Yep. I think they just hear “solar” and “wind” and they think about “liberal elites” telling them how they should use their energy sources. It was funny. We were talking about organic and all that with my grandmother and grandma’s father sort of had a farm, not a big one but when he wasn’t coal mining, he did farm and it hit her that she was having organic food for pretty her entire childhood for the most part.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:54:01am

re: #118 Nyet

Even as the Russian internet “patriots” were cheering on the Ukrainian invasion, the most common suggestion among the more extreme wing was to annex the whole territory right up to Dnieper, leaving the Western parts of Ukraine (historically more hostile to Russia) alone or giving them back to Poland. Same principle: who would want a hostile population to care about?

A lot more easier to deal with a hostile population when you have the resources. But yeah i’m aware of the West-East divide in Ukraine. What I’ve also seen is how the Russian propaganda has used the existence of the group of Ukrainian nationalists who celebrate Ukraine’s role in collaboration to paint everyone who wants Ukraine to retain control of its borders to an apologist for the Nazis. It’s a complex issue which is exactly why the U.S. would have needed someone intelligent like Clinton even if Trump wasn’t head over heels for Putin.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 5:59:08am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

“[A]n accumulation of data” is what Trump calls raking the piles of cash on the table in front of him.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:09:03am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

US has plenty or resources but Iraq has been a failure from day one and it won’t change any time soon - and there was not even an annexation attempt or anything like that.

Trump himself might be dumb enough to step on the same rake again with another country. Putin, not so much.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:09:06am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:09:21am

re: #68 Nyet

The danger zones are non-NATO members with large Russian-speaking populations. Because they’re the only ones that can be sustainably occupied by Russia in long term, and that only if the population is half-willing (see Ukraine, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria… the latter three not still not formally annexed BTW, despite being the earliest conflict zones).

I cannot help but see parallels between all the Germans stranded outside the borders of Germany after WW1 and all the Russians stranded outside Russia after the end of the Cold War…

In any case, it is a nuance that is lost on a lot of people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:10:48am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:12:05am

re: #122 Belafon

“[A]n accumulation of data” is what Trump calls raking the piles of cash on the table in front of him.

maybe he means all those blank piles of paper he brings as props to his press conferences.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:12:42am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Mention “solar panels” to a wingnut and they’re like HURR HURR SOLYNDRA!!!!!!! as though nobody can ever make another solar panel again.

Let’s just ignore that billions were spent on a clean coal facility in Mississippi that has yet to ever become operational because the technology simply doesn’t work. Or a similar one in Illinois that never got past the drawing board because it was unworkable, despite hundreds of millions thrown at it by government.

Soylandra is one company out of many that received federal assistance. No word about the clean coal companies that received far more money and returned far less.

The sense of hope is fading fast, however. The Kemper coal plant is more than two years behind schedule and more than $4 billion over its initial budget, $2.4 billion, and it is still not operational.

The plant and its owner, Southern Company, are the focus of a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation, and ratepayers, alleging fraud, are suing the company. Members of Congress have described the project as more boondoggle than boon. The mismanagement is particularly egregious, they say, given the urgent need to rein in the largest source of dangerous emissions around the world: coal plants.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:13:31am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

What pissed him off more, the super soaker or shoving people with the podium.

He probably was thinking… “I should have thought of that first!”

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:17:21am

Greets and saluts from the resistance. Trump’s already busy making excuses for the NYT article that shows the Bannon/Trump administration in a clusterfuck of incompetence and evilness. Alternative facts are his stock in trade.

He lies. It’s all he ever does.

His supporters will continue to believe everything he says, no matter how much people cite facts at them.

GOPers who have looked the other way as Bannon/Trump run wild over policies, procedures, and the US Constitution are complicit. That includes both Ryan and McConnell. They own this shit storm.

It’s only going to get worse, not better. There’s no indication that Trump understands on the job training because he thinks he’s already doing a great job. The tweets this morning are proof.

Never mind that even with the GOP controlling the Senate confirmation process, Trump can’t get his nominations through in a timely manner. That’s a stunning amount of incompetence, started of course with the fact that the people Trump tabbed were also incompetent, extreme, and unprepared and it showed during their hearings.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:19:05am

re: #129 lawhawk

Let’s just ignore that billions were spent on a clean coal facility in Mississippi that has yet to ever become operational because the technology simply doesn’t work. Or a similar one in Illinois that never got past the drawing board because it was unworkable, despite hundreds of millions thrown at it by government.

Soylandra is one company out of many that received federal assistance. No word about the clean coal companies that received far more money and returned far less.

“It will cost too much to make solar panels cost effective! Now let’s talk about clean coal and how cheap it will be at some far off future date!”

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:19:23am

None of this would have happened had the Giants played the Patriots.

Sorry, but that’s true. Patriots have never been able to beat the Giants in the Super Bowl.

5-2. Those two losses? The Giants.

/half

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:19:40am

re: #131 lawhawk

re: #131 lawhawk

pffmfm. Ryan with his “Patient-Centered Health Care” BS.

Spit

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:21:29am

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:21:56am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

pffmfm. Ryan with his “Patient-Centered Health Care” BS.

Spit

“Patient-Centered” just means having a horse tied to each of the patient’s limbs.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:22:57am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

I would recommend that Ben acquire a whole lot of guns, build a bunker, and hide in it. He should also disconnect from the internet because the government can send mind control rays through it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:23:01am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

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First they came for the Ben Shapiros…

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:24:36am

re: #61 Anymouse

My favorite part was this:

The opportunistic religious leaders began publicly framing the vile, profane, relentlessly offensive Trump as a flawed, imperfect tool of God’ and American church folk raised on a faith of fear and conditioned to believe they are perpetually in danger—began buying it. Little by little, it became okay, even sensible to call Donald Trump a Christian. (Talk about a miracle.)

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:25:38am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

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Nope. Still nope. He’s terrified that his right wing bullshit isn’t sufficiently pure enough for the neo Nazis who are guiding Trump?

What did you expect Ben? That they’d love your BS and ignore that you’re not one of them?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:27:05am

re: #138 I Would Prefer Not To

First they came for the Ben Shapiros…

Yeah they did.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:31:11am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

pffmfm. Ryan with his “Patient-Centered Health Care” BS.

Spit

The GOP’s plan seems to be to actually make the suggestion that they’d just tinker around the edges of Obamacare and they declare it theirs a reality. In six months, they’ll declare that “repeal” isn’t a realistic option, so they’ll just “replace” the parts that don’t work with ones that are “patient-centered.” They’re cynical enough that they’ll insist that they “fixed” the law over objections from Democrats that doing so would harm Obama’s “legacy.” You’ll know this is the plan when they stop calling it “Obamacare” and start calling it the Affordable Care Act again.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:32:35am

NYC artist Gina Volpe captures Conwoman pretty well… I’m gonna hide it because it’s pretty shocking.

Click to Reveal

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:33:02am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

After a night with the dogs he’s shocked, shocked to find fleas on him!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:38:57am

re: #143 makeitstop

NYC artist Gina Volpe captures Conwoman pretty well… I’m gonna hide it because it’s pretty shocking.

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I thought it would be something like this==>

Reaper Vampire Creature - The Sarcastic Fringehead

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:39:34am

re: #136 Belafon

“Patient-Centered” just means having a horse tied to each of the patient’s limbs.

“Patient-Centered” means returning to those great days of Freedom when you as an individual or family with limited assets and income, were free to negotiate one-on-one with multi-million(billion)-dollar insurance companies for terms of coverage.

Ain’t Freedom grand?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:42:30am

“Patient-Centered” Healthcare

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:44:33am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Patient-Centered” means returning to those great days of Freedom when you as an individual or family with limited assets and income, were free to negotiate one-on-one with multi-million(billion)-dollar insurance companies for terms of coverage.

Ain’t Freedom grand?

No no, “patient-centered” means going back to the days when you paid for a doctor’s visit with a chicken. Because we all have a roost full of chickens in our backyards, dontchaknow?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:46:49am

re: #142 Targetpractice

The GOP’s plan seems to be to actually make the suggestion that they’d just tinker around the edges of Obamacare and they declare it theirs a reality. In six months, they’ll declare that “repeal” isn’t a realistic option, so they’ll just “replace” the parts that don’t work with ones that are “patient-centered.” They’re cynical enough that they’ll insist that they “fixed” the law over objections from Democrats that doing so would harm Obama’s “legacy.” You’ll know this is the plan when they stop calling it “Obamacare” and start calling it the Affordable Care Act again.

His other argument, mindlessly regurgitated by wingnuts on FB and other venues is that Obamacare is “collapsing”, meaning some insurers have left some markets and some premiums for some policies have increased. If insurers leaving certain markets and some policy premiums increasing were the standards then private free market health care insurance has been “collapsing” for decades. What a scam. But it’s an attempt to absolve themselves when they cut 20 million people off at the knees by taking away their health insurance.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:50:47am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

HAHA

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Something funny about a Trump employee complaining that anything is too mean.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:51:14am

re: #149 Sir John Barron

His other argument, mindlessly regurgitated by wingnuts on FB and other venues is that Obamacare is “collapsing”, meaning some insurers have left some markets and some premiums for some policies have increased. If insurers leaving certain markets and some policy premiums increasing were the standards then private free market health care insurance has been “collapsing” for decades. What a scam. But it’s an attempt to absolve themselves when they cut 20 million people off at the knees by taking away their health insurance.

I’d argue that what they’re setting up now is to be the “saviors” of the Affordable Care Act. Much like they’ve done over the years with Medicare and Social Security, they’ll say that the program itself is sound, but it’s “doomed to failure” unless Democrats join them in “fixing” it. They won’t kill it outright, because then they’ll be left with blood on their hands. So they’ll consign it to a slow death, bleeding it dry for a couple more years, so that when 2020 comes around they can run on “reforming” it.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:51:21am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

She did. People who say Hillary didn’t talk about the economy enough aren’t paying attention. She didn’t feed voters a bunch of bullshit that they wanted to hear though like Trump did and frankly Sanders too to a different extent.

Hillary didn’t speak in soundbites, and none of her plans could fit on a bumper sticker or a hat. “Go to my website and read about it in detail” is not a winning slogan.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:51:59am

Halp!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:53:18am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

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Fuck him. I don’t wish harm on BW but he threw his lot in with these assholes. Bannon literally paid his paycheck.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:53:27am

re: #152 sagehen

Hillary didn’t speak in soundbites, and none of her plans could fit on a bumper sticker or a hat. “Go to my website and read about it in detail” is not a winning slogan.

You need more than just the people who can think for themselves to win an election.

/ * .5

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:54:07am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Fuck him. I don’t wish harm on BW but he threw his lot in with these assholes. Bannon literally paid his paycheck.

He’s lucky the protests against people like him will save people like him and he won’t give a shit afterwards.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:54:32am

re: #149 Sir John Barron

His other argument, mindlessly regurgitated by wingnuts on FB and other venues is that Obamacare is “collapsing”, meaning some insurers have left some markets and some premiums for some policies have increased. If insurers leaving certain markets and some policy premiums increasing were the standards then private free market health care insurance has been “collapsing” for decades. What a scam. But it’s an attempt to absolve themselves when they cut 20 million people off at the knees by taking away their health insurance.

Also: The GOP keeps insisting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that “Free Market” means “more competition” and “greater consumer choice.” NO IT DOESN’T YOU DIPSHITS. Unregulated “free market” means monopolies and/or cartels. Even in Galt’s Gulch there was only one of everything.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:56:09am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Also: The GOP keeps insisting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that “Free Market” means “more competition” and “greater consumer choice.” NO IT DOESN’T YOU DIPSHITS. Unregulated “free market” means monopolies and/or cartels. Even in Galt’s Gulch there was only one of everything.

Rockefeller and the monopolies need I say no more. Unregulated capitalism limits consumer choices just as much as communism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:56:43am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Rockefeller and the monopolies need I say no more. Unregulated capitalism limits consumer choices just as much as communism.

What happens when Walmart comes to your town?

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:58:06am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Also: The GOP keeps insisting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that “Free Market” means “more competition” and “greater consumer choice.” NO IT DOESN’T YOU DIPSHITS. Unregulated “free market” means monopolies and/or cartels. Even in Galt’s Gulch there was only one of everything.

I always found it ironically hilarious that the people who preach unbridled capitalism cite as one of the negatives of communism that people have no choice because the state only offers one kind of every item and favors centralized production.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 6:59:44am

re: #160 Targetpractice

I always found it ironically hilarious that the people who preach unbridled capitalism cite as one of the negatives of communism that people have no choice because the state only offers one kind of every item and favors centralized production.

When investors pool their resources to form a corporation, it is praised as the very soul of capitalism.

When workers or consumers collectivize to optimize their bargaining position, it is derided as creeping socialism and the death of the Free Market

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John Carter  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:00:08am

re: #83 Nyet

You may have missed this.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I have been following this discussion and wouldn’t mind more details about the logistics and other things that make it unrealistic. I ask out of ignorance in an effort to understand.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:00:34am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

What happens when Walmart comes to your town?

Exactly.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:02:04am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

A Walton gets their wings? /

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:02:05am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Rockefeller and the monopolies need I say no more. Unregulated capitalism limits consumer choices just as much as communism.

Unregulated capitalism almost invariably leads to monopolies. I learned that from my dad when I was 11 years old and he was telling me about the run-up to the Great Depression.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:05:48am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Unregulated capitalism almost invariably leads to monopolies. I learned that from my dad when I was 11 years old and he was telling me up the run-up to the Great Depression.

Yep.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:07:21am

Looks like it’s pretty much a statistical tie between Angela Merkel’s CDU and her coalition partners the SPD.

independent.co.uk

Could end up with another grand coalition between the CDU and the SPD, but this time with the SPD in the driver’s seat and SPD head Martin Schulz as Bundeskanzler.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:12:51am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

Looks like it’s pretty much a statistical tie between Angela Merkel’s CDU and her coalition partners the SPD.

independent.co.uk

Could end up with another grand coalition between the CDU and the SPD, but this time with the SPD in the driver’s seat and SPD head Martin Schulz as Bundeskanzler.

Could be much worse.

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:14:15am

re: #153 makeitstop

Yeah, always blame the witches. What if it was a warlock?!

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:14:59am

re: #162 John Carter

Posted a long comment above.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:18:53am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

What happens when Walmart comes to your town?

We are fortunate that there are no Wal*marts within sixty miles. Our local businesses are doing fine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:26:45am

re: #169 Nyet

Yeah, always blame the witches. What if it was a warlock?!

Would have turned him into a newt!

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:29:07am

Residents Concerned about DeVos Nomination Protest Senator Deb Fischer’s at Scottsbluff Office (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

About 60 protesters peacefully assembled Saturday afternoon outside Sen. Deb Fischer’s office in Scottsbluff to voice their opposition to Fischer’s decision to vote in favor of confirming Besty DeVos, President Trump’s pick to lead the Department of Education. The demonstration was part of a series of coordinated rallies carried out statewide outside all four of Fischer’s regional offices.

Amidst chants of “Debbie Fischer dump DeVos,” and “Save our schools,” demonstrators gave varied reasons for why they showed up to protest.

“This is not a partisan issue,” said Stan Kontogiannis, chair of the Scotts Bluff County Democrats and one of the main organizers behind the Scottsbluff rally. “This is a testament to our values”

“We’ve got Republicans and Independents here in the crowd,” Kontogiannis said. “We want to put both Senators Fischer and (Ben) Sasse on notice for ignoring their constituents.”

… and THIS:

Among the protesters were a number of teachers who moved to Nebraska from Michigan, citing the Cornhusker state’s traditionally pro-student education system.

Kyle McAlister, a science teacher at Scottsbluff High School, said that unregulated charter schools had wreaked havoc on the education system in his native Michigan, siphoning money from struggling public school districts and dumping the funds into private, for-profit charter schools. McAlister said the system often leads to a lack of accountability which serves more privileged, affluent students at the expense of children in economically disadvantaged neighborhoods.

“Without the tax base, the state has been forced to consolidate school districts, which leads to a high turnover rate among teachers and students left feeling powerless,” McAlister said. “That just doesn’t make sense to advocate for that system, especially in rural areas like this.”

Jeffery Ferreri and his wife, Elena Garcia, are both educators who uprooted from Michigan in search of Nebraska’s greener pastures.

“We left Michigan to escape the policies, the very policies DeVos is advocating for,” Ferreri said. “But as painful as it is, we might have to consider taking our tax dollars elsewhere.”

More at the Star-Herald on the protest.

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Alyosha  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:30:50am

One of our South Australian senators, Cory Bernardi, an out and proud supporter of Trump, has split from the Liberal Party (any follower of recent news is unlikely to need reminding that the party’s name should not fool you into thinking they’re actually liberal) and has formed his own Australian Conservatives party.

Apparently this has been in the works since December but I guess the contrived schism which has erupted between the US and Australia over the horribly inhumane refugee transfer might have been the last straw for this po-faced, trash-bag of a creature.

Hopefully it splits the Tories, but with the resurgence of One Nation, a party that lives in perpetual terror of the dusky hordes and their hidden moose-lamb radicals who the fuck knows where this leads.

I know where I’ll stand.

mobile.abc.net.au

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:37:58am

re: #174 Alyosha

On the Scott’s Bluff Democratic Party chair, he’s sort of one of yours. The last lines in that article:

Kontogiannis, an Australian-Greek American, said that he moved to this country because he believed in the quality of the U.S. education system, and he worries that it may be in jeopardy.

“I’m not saying they should pick a Democrat (for Secretary of Education),” Kontogiannis said. “I’m saying that we need to find someone better and more qualified. Someone who will listen that we can all work with.”

Senate Republicans voted 52-48 Friday to end debate on DeVos’ nomination, setting the final vote on her appointment for Tuesday. If all Democrats vote against her and no other Republicans dissent, Vice President Mike Pence will have to break a 50-50 tie to gain DeVos’ confirmation.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:40:49am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:43:48am

re: #176 lawhawk

I’m going to back McConnell, but if a full investigation proved there was no fraud, it wouldn’t convince the true believers, but it would end the topic for a large part of even the Republican party, and he can’t have that.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:53:42am

My wife and I had a conversation about smoking a couple of weeks ago - we were talking about buying vape pens in order to cut down on our smoking. We went to our local vape store on Saturday and each got one.

Early results - I’ve had four cigarettes since Saturday afternoon. Four. This is a big deal. There have been days when I’d have four cigarettes before my first cup of coffee (okay, that’s a slight exaggeration, but only a slight one. I do like my smokes.).

I’m not even doing this with an eye on quitting right now, just cutting down on the level of real smoke I’m taking in. If it gets to the point where I can kiss them goodbye altogether, I’d consider it a bonus. But I’m encouraged that I really don’t miss my companions of more than 50 years. It’s a better start than I’d anticipated.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:56:23am

re: #178 makeitstop

My wife and I had a conversation about smoking a couple of weeks ago - we were talking about buying vape pens in order to cut down on our smoking. We went to our local vape store on Saturday and each got one.

Early results - I’ve had four cigarettes since Saturday afternoon. Four. This is a big deal. There have been days when I’d have four cigarettes before my first cup of coffee (okay, that’s a light exaggeration, but only a light one. I do like my smokes.).

I’m not even doing this with an eye on quitting right now, just cutting down on the level of real smoke I’m taking in. If it gets to the point where I can kiss them goodbye altogether, I’d consider it a bonus. But I’m encouraged that I really don’t miss my companions of more than 50 years. It’s a better start than I’d anticipated.

Congradumalashuns. I once quit entirely for nine years (long story why I started again).

Such things as vape shops are unavailable where I live, sadly.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:56:29am

re: #178 makeitstop

My wife and I had a conversation about smoking a couple of weeks ago - we were talking about buying vape pens in order to cut down on our smoking. We went to our local vape store on Saturday and each got one.

Early results - I’ve had four cigarettes since Saturday afternoon. Four. This is a big deal. There have been days when I’d have four cigarettes before my first cup of coffee (okay, that’s a slight exaggeration, but only a slight one. I do like my smokes.).

I’m not even doing this with an eye on quitting right now, just cutting down on the level of real smoke I’m taking in. If it gets to the point where I can kiss them goodbye altogether, I’d consider it a bonus. But I’m encouraged that I really don’t miss my companions of more than 50 years. It’s a better start than I’d anticipated.

I switched entirely to vaping four months ago. Don’t miss ciggies at all. :)

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:57:00am

re: #176 lawhawk

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blind squirrel, acorn.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:57:21am

re: #178 makeitstop

But I’m encouraged that I really don’t miss my companions of more than 50 years. It’s a better start than I’d anticipated.

That’s because drug addiction is a terrible companion. You feed the addiction with the vape, so it becomes obvious that smoking wasn’t a pleasant pastime. It’s a horrible drug addiction that kills you early and makes you smell awful, but addicts rationalize their behavior. Good luck getting free. I did about 20 years ago with the help of an anti-depressant, after failing so many times on my own.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:58:22am

re: #179 Anymouse

Congradumalashuns. I once quit entirely for nine years (long story why I started again).

Such things as vape shops are unavailable where I live, sadly.

I quit once for two years. Then one day it just seemed like a good idea to have a smoke, and off the wagon I fell.

Thanks for the encouragement.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:58:23am

This explains #BoycottBudweiser among many, many other things:

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 7:58:24am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:00:07am

re: #182 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

That’s because drug addiction is a terrible companion. You feed the addiction with the vape, so it becomes obvious that smoking wasn’t a pleasant pastime. It’s a horrible drug addiction that kills you early and makes you smell awful, but addicts rationalize their behavior. Good luck getting free. I did about 20 years ago with the help of an anti-depressant, after failing so many times on my own.

I am just so fastidious that I hate the smell (and especially the lingering smell on clothes, walls, furniture and cold ashtrays) enough to wean myself off ciggies entirely about five years back.

I am now to the point that I can enjoy one now and again at a party without falling back into it.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:00:12am

re: #181 sagehen

blind squirrel, acorn.

Perhaps another investigation of ACORN is in the works? /s

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:01:24am

re: #182 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

That’s because drug addiction is a terrible companion. You feed the addiction with the vape, so it becomes obvious that smoking wasn’t a pleasant pastime. It’s a horrible drug addiction that kills you early and makes you smell awful, but addicts rationalize their behavior. Good luck getting free. I did about 20 years ago with the help of an anti-depressant, after failing so many times on my own.

I tried the anti-depressant route (Wellbutrin) and it worked really well getting me to cut down, but it really did a number on my personality - I started to really withdraw in social situations. I look a pictures of when I was taking it and I can see the difference in my face. I was disappearing.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:02:23am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just so fastidious that I hate the smell (and especially the lingering smell on clothes, walls, furniture and cold ashtrays) enough to wean myself off ciggies entirely about five years back.

I am now to the point that I can enjoy one now and again at a party without falling back into it.

I used to have nightmares that I got myself hooked again. I always woke up so relieved that I did not have to go through that again. It took about a year to stop being angry at everything due to the lack of nicotine in my brain.

I rarely drink anymore, because it makes me feel sick for days, so I no longer have an urge to have any at parties.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:03:24am

re: #188 makeitstop

I tried the anti-depressant route (Wellbutrin) and it worked really well getting me to cut down, but it really did a number on my personality - I started to really withdraw in social situations. I look a pictures of when I was taking it and I can see the difference in my face. I was disappearing.

I’m on Celexa, and it made me friendly and outgoing. I was a complete introvert pre-medication.

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:03:42am

Trump will try to get him cut from the team:

Patriots player Martellus Bennett plans to skip Super Bowl White House visit to avoid meeting Trump

rawstory.com

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:05:19am

re: #191 BeachDem

Trump will try to get him cut from the team:

Patriots player Martellus Bennett plans to skip Super Bowl White House visit to avoid meeting Trump

rawstory.com

It would be hilarious if it Brady was the only player to go.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:06:31am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just so fastidious that I hate the smell (and especially the lingering smell on clothes, walls, furniture and cold ashtrays) enough to wean myself off ciggies entirely about five years back.

I am now to the point that I can enjoy one now and again at a party without falling back into it.

We decided not to smoke anywhere in the house about six years ago. It keeps the smell out, and it’s also a deterrent when the weather is extra miserable.

We’re keeping the ‘no indoors’ rule though, even with the vape pens.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:07:38am

My Representative in Congress (Adrian Smith, R-NE3) is going to be in my county seat for an hour’s public meeting at the end of the month.

Need to figure out how to get in and what to ask.

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DanielKi  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:10:42am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

Looks like it’s pretty much a statistical tie between Angela Merkel’s CDU and her coalition partners the SPD.

I don’t think we’re quite there yet, but Martin Schulz’s candidacy is definitely a good thing. I can live with Merkel, but after 3 terms it is about time for a serious alternative option to emerge.

Being slightly left-of-center and a staunch pro-European, I’ll likely vote for the social democrats this time around.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:15:17am

re: #184 Interesting Times

This explains #BoycottBudweiser among many, many other things:

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Except, this ad may be explicitly (subtlety) attacking Trump.

It’s A 10 Hair Care Super Bowl Commercial

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bws58  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:16:48am

re: #178 makeitstop

I quit almost 4 years ago with my trusty vape pens, I got them for my job initially, since its a non-smoking campus but we can discretely vape. When I realized I could work an entire 13 hour shift without a cigarette, I quit them.

I still vape but am down to a minimal level of nicotine, the docs and insurance company consider me smoke free :)

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:17:18am

re: #196 sagehen

Except, this ad may be explicitly (subtlety) attacking Trump.

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HuffPo’s main:

Mad Men vs. Madman

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:17:46am

re: #196 sagehen

Except, this ad may be explicitly (subtlety) attacking Trump.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:22:15am

addictinginfo.org

Addicting Info has a clip from MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough trying to figure out why Donald Trump is continuing to support Vladimir Putin’s killing of journalists and political rivals.

That would be the same Joe that let Donald call it in for interviews all through the election.

Mika also interviews a former admiral on what this sort of position by Trump means.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:30:30am

Geez. Putin. What a fucking snowflake.

The Kremlin is requesting an apology from Fox News after host Bill O’Reilly called Russian President Vladimir Putin a “killer” during an interview with President Trump.

“We consider such words from the Fox TV company to be unacceptable and insulting,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call, according to Reuters.

“And honestly speaking, we would prefer to get an apology from such a respected TV company.”

During the interview, which aired Sunday, O’Reilly described Putin as a “killer” while talking with Trump about whether the billionaire respects the Russian president.

Does BillO play tough guy and refuse to apologize? Does Trump end up apologizing for O’Reilly? Can’t wait to see how this one plays out…

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I cannot.  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:32:57am

re: #201 makeitstop

Alexander Litvenenko was unavailable to comment for this story.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:33:28am

re: #201 makeitstop

Geez. Putin. What a fucking snowflake.

Does BillO play tough guy and refuse to apologize? Does Lamarr end up apologizing for O’Reilly? Can’t wait to see how this one plays out…

It’s interesting that Putin is on the Fox propaganda bandwagon. That would have been the kiss of death until the deranged RWNJs went Putinist because a black President was too much for their pea brains to handle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:34:31am

re: #202 I cannot.

Alexander Litvenenko was unavailable to comment for this story.

as were several thousand Chechens, Georgians and Ukrainians…

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:35:15am

re: #201 makeitstop

Melissa McCarthy as Sean Spicer: “I’d like to start off with an apology…from YOU to ME for the crappy way you’ve treated me for two weeks, and that apology IS NOT accepted!”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:36:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:36:46am

So grumpy, didn’t have a nap today.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:38:32am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

He missed his Snickers break. /

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:39:08am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

Once DT takes the Oath of Office he’ll realize how serious this business is and he’ll start acting more presidential…oh wait

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“…she seems to have believed that the Bowling Green massacre was a real thing. How do we know? Because she also cited it in an interview with Cosmopolitan, as the magazine revealed Monday morning. And in that interview, she described the “massacre” in more detail…”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:40:58am

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

Dead Breitbart thinks any challenging of Conway is “media rape”.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:41:17am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary, of course, had a plan to offer training and incentives to manufacture solar panels and similar products & jobs of the future.

But the coal is right here…right now.

And that is the thinking. Add in ignorance about the future and the world around us and the people of Eastern Kentucky, like so many places like it, are going to hold onto what they know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:42:07am

Such low energy. Weak. No stamina. Sad!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:42:27am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

So grumpy, didn’t have a nap today.

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Poor Preznit Manbaby needs his phone taken away until he learns to behave.

Seriously, why hasn’t that happened yet? What is gained if he is just allowed to spew bullshit onto Twitter whenever the mood strikes — from, say, the perspective of Bannon or Priebus? Is there a 8D chess move I’m not seeing here?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:44:45am

re: #214 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Poor Preznit Manbaby needs his phone taken away until he learns to behave.

Seriously, why hasn’t that happened yet? What is gained if he is just allowed to spew bullshit onto Twitter whenever the mood strikes — from, say, the perspective of Bannon or Priebus? Is there a 8D chess move I’m not seeing here?

The Twitters is keeping him distracted so he just automatically signs whatever executive orders Bannon sticks in front of him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:47:49am

re: #212 ObserverArt

But the coal is right here…right now.

And that is the thinking. Add in ignorance about the future and the world around us and the people of Eastern Kentucky, like so many places like it, are going to hold onto what they know.

And while Hillary was out giving speeches on job creation and what it would involve, the media were giving us shots of an empty podium waiting for DT to show up and start lying about what he and his companies/charitable foundation did and did not do…

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:48:20am

LOL:

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:49:49am

re: #124 Nyet

US has plenty or resources but Iraq has been a failure from day one and it won’t change any time soon - and there was not even an annexation attempt or anything like that.

Trump himself might be dumb enough to step on the same rake again with another country. Putin, not so much.

Iraq has been a US failure due to many of the same points you made about Putin and the countries he would never attempt and/or fail to attempt to take and control.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:50:37am

VoteVets taking advantage of Mr. Trump’s viewing habits:

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:50:41am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And while Hillary was out giving speeches on job creation and what it would involve, the media were giving us shots of an empty podium waiting for DT to show up and start lying about what he and his companies/charitable foundation did and did not do…

Hillary: *gives well-spoken speech about how Appalachia isn’t getting the coal jobs back and it’s time to move on to a better and cleaner economy, smacked with soundbites about how “Coal’s gone and it’s not coming back”*

Trump: *Mugs for cameras with a couple coal workers, makes a lot of empty promises about how coal jobs are totally coming back and he’ll punish China for taking all of them.*

Media: “Trump is the candidate for the working class, while Hillary just cares about the coastal elites.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:51:27am

re: #219 Anymouse

LOL:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:52:20am

re: #219 Anymouse

Maybe Joe really did prank them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:52:53am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe Joe really did prank them.

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And VB beat me to it!

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:53:06am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is seriously terrified the alt-Right neo-Nazis might try to kill him and harm his family. I feel sorry for him. Almost.

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Is he the same asshole he was when he worked for Bannon?

Yeah, I thought so. You’re on your own, Benny.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:57:34am

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 8:57:42am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

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During the interview with Cosmo, Conway said:..two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills, and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away.”

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So, other than getting just about all the facts wrong, she also lied about it being a slip of the tongue on Tweetie’s show. Yeah—she’s just a perpetual liar.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:00:08am

The Rage Furby’s crappy website has been down all morning - may have been DDoSed by Anonymous. And i’m now pretty sure he was suspended from Facebook again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:02:37am

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:03:13am

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:03:19am

I’m waiting for the video of his meltdown, and then all the viral YouTube parodies with fake German subtitles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:03:46am

“Obama people”

I am picturing folks who look like anonymous but with Obama masks instead of Guy Fawkes masks.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:03:50am

FCC Commissioner Pai kills Obamaphone W Phone programme started by Ronald Reagan, citing fraud, waste, and abuse.

Of note this was a bipartisan programme, until wingnuts got on the “Obamaphone” nonsense there was no serious opposition to it. All persons with cell service pay a modest tax that covers the cost of the service.

wonkette.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:06:34am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

We invaded their country—they attacked us at Bowling Green. Never forget.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:06:59am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:08:28am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, leaks are bad now? I thought leaks were good and truthy and all of that. Trump loved Wikileaks leaking DNC emails.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:08:48am

re: #152 sagehen

Hillary didn’t speak in soundbites, and none of her plans could fit on a bumper sticker or a hat. “Go to my website and read about it in detail” is not a winning slogan.

Sadly true. And she was way too inclusive of everyone. Not enough us and them.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:10:05am

Maybe we should just start calling them the ‘Snowflake administration.’

Spicer says SNL is just being mean

“SNL used to be really funny. There’s a streak of meanness now that they’ve crossed over to mean.”

Big mean meanies being mean!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:10:47am

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

How would “Obama people” even have access to details of his calls?

It was not Obama People: it was the Po-Jama People

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:11:22am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was not Obama People: it was the Po-Jama People

They sure can make ya sleepy…

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:12:59am

re: #243 makeitstop

Maybe we should just start calling them the ‘Snowflake administration.’

Spicer says SNL is just being mean

Big mean meanies being mean!!!

The run on fainting couches has begun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:12:59am
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Check out this INCREDIBLE video of the #meteor this morning as viewed from a Lisle, IL police car dash cam! Thanks to Lisle PD for sharing!

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:13:19am

re: #243 makeitstop

How does it feel?

Casino Royale - Skewered

Yeah, I wouldn’t want to be the target of scorn, derision, and mockery for being a complete and total bully and liar. But that’s the position he chose, and he owns all the bullshit flowing out his yapper. Don’t like it? Quit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:14:04am

re: #245 makeitstop

They sure can make ya sleepy…

Mother Mary and Jozuf, wish they’d all go away!!!

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:18:22am

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

How would “Obama people” even have access to details of his calls?

They wouldn’t. It’s beside the point. There are probably people who work at the WH - career staffers, and he’s probably setting them up to be fired. But anyone in the Executive Branch serves at the pleasure of the president, so with Obama gone, all his people are gone too.

Anyone that doesn’t follow the Bannon/Trump line is seen as an Obama plant and must be destroyed / rooted out from the admin/government. I’d say he’s signaling that he’s starting a political witch hunt. Two weeks into his admin, and he’s already seeing bad guys behind every door in the building.

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:19:16am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

I’m waiting for the video of his meltdown, and then all the viral YouTube parodies with fake German subtitles.

There’s a bunch of great videos from European countries trolling him already.
everysecondcounts.eu

My favorite is “America First, Switzerland Second”

Switzerland Second (official) | DEVILLE LATE-NIGHT

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:19:28am

Is that a threat or a promise?

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:20:17am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a threat or a promise?

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Neither, it’s a lie like everything Jones says.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:20:30am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Alex Jones says he is ready to die for Trump: “This is bigger than 1776 if Trump can deliver.”

If anybody has to die for Trump, then let it be him…

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:20:36am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a threat or a promise?

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No wonder Trump likes Jones - his hands look smaller than Trump’s! Lookit those stubby lil’ fingers.

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:20:44am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:20:50am
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ipsos  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:21:16am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a threat or a promise?

For a guy who’s barely 40 and looks like he’s about 65, I suspect he’ll stress himself to death sooner rather than later anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:23:55am

bless her heart…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:24:34am
“I would not wish to issue an invitation to President Trump to speak in the Royal Gallery” - Commons Speaker Bercow
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:28:14am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN’s Choice Not To Feature Conway During Yesterday’s Shows Was Reportedly Because Of ‘Credibility’ Issues //

Invite her to a panel discussion with survivors and family of the Bowling Green Misspoken Massacree

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:28:15am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a threat or a promise?

But Obama was such a cult leader and had such a cult following….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:30:10am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

bless her heart…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:31:12am
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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:33:50am

re: #243 makeitstop

Maybe we should just start calling them the ‘Snowflake administration.’

Spicer says SNL is just being mean

Big mean meanies being mean!!!

Sean isn’t bright enough to realize he is writing their scripts for them.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:39:50am

E-mail in my box directing me to an op-ed by the publisher of my regional newspaper.

The newspaper launched a project which he has now suspended, in which he had his staff journalists write opinion pieces for the paper. He discontinued that practice and was attacked for “censorship” by readers.

starherald.com (The publisher’s opinion piece on censorship of journalists and fake news.)

My response:

Sir,

You asked in your Saturday opinion piece in the Scottsbluff Star-Herald about journalists at the paper writing opinion columns.

Of course, newspaper journalists are people and thus have opinions about the news stories of the day. In the end, I see the decision to permit or refuse journalists writing an opinion piece in the newspaper to be a publisher or editorial decision. It is not censorship, it is a business decision.

The Opinion Page is precisely that. It doesn’t matter whether the author is a journalist at the Star-Herald or me (should the paper ever let me write an opinion piece).

There is a difference between opinion pieces, which are clearly marked as such, and news. Journalists seek to get to the truth of a matter, and should be willing to hold the powerful to account. Opinions seek facts to bolster an argument.

Since I am neither a journalist nor a publisher, I cannot say whether journalists writing opinion pieces blur the line between news and opinion. I can tell the difference when opinions are so noted. Other readers might not be able to tell.

As for readers complaining about “censorship”: All opinions are not equal. “Censorship” is properly called “editorial discretion.” As a book editor, when I tell an author to change something or omit it and I give my reasons, I am not censoring the author. If the author can convince me of his or her arguments to keep a passage, I’ll take the author’s side up with the senior editor.

I presume a newspaper’s editorial control is similar to my book publisher: The goal of editorial control is not censorship but to produce a better newspaper, one that is informative and accurate.

You questioned whether FOX News Channel’s Sean Hannity and CNN’s Don Lemon are reporters. In the United Kingdom, such people are not referred to as journalists. They are referred to as news presenters. Both FOX and CNN exercise editorial control over their content, to reach the audience they desire.

That said, Sean Hannity has a clear agenda: He has long trumpeted his support for Mr. Trump. FOX News Channel’s own motto “We report, you decide” is the antithesis of journalism. Journalism is about getting to the facts of a matter and presenting those facts. Facts do not care about one’s opinion. They also present themselves as reporting “the other side of the story” as if all stories have only two sides, and all other media outlets are ignoring that side. That statement by itself indicates a partisan agenda.

“Fair and balanced” is not what I look for in a news outlet, be it a radio station or a newspaper. I want accurate.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:41:05am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

@KellyannePolls was offered to SOTU on Sunday by the White House. We passed. Those are the facts.

Boom

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:43:49am

It may not be, but it sure would be fun if we are beginning to see the end of Kellyanne.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:44:10am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

Someone on Fox News complaining about demeaning a President. LOL.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:44:51am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

.@KellyannePolls: “Any chance people get to try to demean or diminish this president, they take it.”

Thank goodness nothing of this nature took place during the eight years of Obama.
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“It’s a shame,” Spicer continued, “that we’re not focused more on making sure that we’re applauding the decision by the president to make a renewed focus on keeping this country safe.”

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:46:31am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:52:21am

good grief, Sean. What a pile of bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:53:12am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

Someone on Fox News complaining about demeaning a white President. LOL.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:53:42am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief, Sean. What a pile of bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:53:48am

re: #277 Skip Intro

No, he doesn’t have an enabling act - yet.

we need a Reichstag fire

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:55:15am

Minds can be changed, even in red states:

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:57:30am

When you’ve lost fucking “torture memo” John Yoo…

“But even I have grave concerns about Mr. Trump’s uses of presidential power,” Yoo said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 9:58:36am

Dumb conservative memes part #1584

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:05:50am

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

Dumb conservative memes part #1584

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What does that even mean? I seem to have lost my ‘WTF are you talking about?’ decoder.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:06:21am

That Washington Post article notes that Nebraska has the highest number of refugees per capita of any state in the Union (I did not know that).

That article is definitely worth reading, about Syrian refugees in my state.

How to Be an American: Syrian Refugees Find a Home in Trump Country

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:07:00am

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

Dumb conservative memes part #1584

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:07:12am

re: #288 MsJ

What does that even mean? I seem to have lost my ‘WTF are you talking about?’ decoder.

Refugees have to pay to get in!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:11:57am

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Dumb conservative memes part #1584

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Stupid just stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:12:57am

re: #283 Anymouse

Minds can be changed, even in red states:

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Respect to him, seriously.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:14:12am

I don’t think this is necessarily the right move, but, I can’t fault his decision…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:14:32am

re: #288 MsJ

What does that even mean? I seem to have lost my ‘WTF are you talking about?’ decoder.

America is a football game, and if you cannot afford the ticket, then you have to sit out in the parking lot…

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:15:42am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘“It’s a shame that we’re not focused more on making sure that we’re applauding the decision by the president”

Any questions about the Putin love?

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:16:28am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

I don’t think this is necessarily the right move, but, I can’t fault his decision…

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If your employer offered you a chance to meet this president for a photo op, would you take it?

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:17:22am

re: #298 Nyet

‘“It’s a shame that we’re not focused more on making sure that we’re applauding the decision by the president”

Any questions about the Putin love?

More like the cult love.

Why should we applaud an appalling decision?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:18:24am

Imagine how striking it would be if only the white Patriots players showed up at the WH.

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wrenchwench  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:18:47am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

I don’t think this is necessarily the right move, but, I can’t fault his decision…

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Not showing up will play much more loudly than anything he could say to the president. I think it is the right move.

That’s my comment on football for this decade (not counting little green ones).

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:18:56am

re: #299 Anymouse

Well, since wingnuts are already boycotting the NFL over Colin Kapernick, I don’t see why not.

If your employer offered you a chance to meet this president for a photo op, would you take it?

If I was invited to the White House, as a manner of traditional celebration of achievement, yes I would go..

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:19:05am

re: #300 Anymouse

Look at the wording. Focused (!) more on making sure (!!) to applaud (!!) the president’s decision. What is this, a banana republic?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:19:33am

re: #299 Anymouse

If your employer offered you a chance to meet this president for a photo op, would you take it?

With most Presidents yes, but not Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:20:06am

re: #302 wrenchwench

Not showing up will play much more loudly than anything he could say to the president. I think it is the right move.

That’s my comment on football for this decade (not counting little green ones).

It will not go unmentioned by the President, I am sure…

“So-called ‘Patriot’ too lazy to come receive his blessing. Sad!”

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wrenchwench  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:20:58am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will not go unmentioned by the President, I am sure…

“So-called ‘Patriot’ too lazy to come receive his blessing. Sad!”

Will he call the no shows ‘losers’?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:21:12am

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

With most Presidents yes, but not Trump.

and that is what more people need to do.

DT is President, but by no means is he any kind of “normal” President and needs to be treated and spoken of as such

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:22:11am

re: #304 Nyet

What is this, a banana republic?

It’s sure looking that way.

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Bass Reeves  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:25:34am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

Just curious, are you a minority?

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:27:11am
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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:27:27am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

If I was invited to the White House, as a manner of traditional celebration of achievement, yes I would go..

How did you feel about the performers who turned down the invitation to perform at the inaugural?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:27:32am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It’s a shame,” Spicer continued, “that we’re not focused more on making sure that we’re applauding the decision by the president to make a renewed focus on keeping this country safe.”

ANDY. GRIFFITH. NAILED. IT.

A Trump Face in the Crowd

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:29:41am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

We have the theme song ready if this is ‘bigger than 1176’.

world turned upsidedown

The nation was born to this song. Fitting it should pass from history to it.

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John Carter  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:30:39am

re: #170 Nyet

Posted a long comment above.

Thanks, I had not caught up to real time when I asked. It looked like it was going to devolve into a shouting match.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:34:06am

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

“It’s a shame,” Spicer continued, “that we’re not focused more on making sure that we’re applauding the decision by the president to make a renewed focus on keeping this country safe.”

Please clap

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:34:32am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:36:23am

re: #312 BeachDem

How did you feel about the performers who turned down the invitation to perform at the inaugural?

I support their choice

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:38:07am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

If I was invited to the White House, as a manner of traditional celebration of achievement, yes I would go..

Because I have always had respect for the office of the President of the United States, I would not go. Had Trump morphed into some regular republican asshole, that would be a wholly different discussion. Had he done anything to assume the role of President, I could live with that. But he is not. He has relinquished the role of POTUS to others. He doesn’t even read the executive memos and orders he signs. He is a wannabe tinpot dictator and because of that is precisely why I would not go.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:39:02am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump: Hey guys, did you see the crowds at my inauguration? Biggest in history, biggest ever, so fantastic.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:39:23am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

I support their choice

But the question was similar to the Patriots player where you thought his decision was not the right choice. So why do the performers get a pass and he doesn’t?

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bratwurst  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:39:44am

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:39:49am

re: #310 Bass Reeves

Just curious, are you a minority?

No

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BeachDem  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:40:54am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And they all look “thrilled” to be in his company.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:41:07am

re: #299 Anymouse

Well, since wingnuts are already boycotting the NFL over Colin Kapernick, I don’t see why not.

If your employer offered you a chance to meet this president for a photo op, would you take it?

Sure, so I could do the devil horns thing behind Trump’s head when the flash goes off.

Then run out of the room so they can’t do a retake.

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Skip Intro  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:41:17am

We can all breathe a little easier today.

‘Notorious’ potbellied pig named Piggy Smalls is apprehended by ‘joint task force’

“The Forest Grove Police Department is pleased to announce the apprehension of a potbelly pig, known to police as ‘Piggy Smalls,’ who has allegedly been harassing residents in the Hawthorne neighborhood of Forest Grove over the last several months, at 12:53 p.m. this date by a joint task force of the FGPD Code Enforcement Officer and a representative of Home Sweet Home Properties,” the post read. “Smalls, alias ‘Notorious,’ has been frequently reported loose to the Forest Grove Police by numerous citizens, his actions having been published several times in the weekly Police Log. He has eluded capture by authorities until now.”

How did this criminal get through extreme vetting I’d like to know.

sanluisobispo.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:41:39am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

If I was invited to the White House, as a manner of traditional celebration of achievement, yes I would go..

Let me repeat: DT is our legally elected President, but by no means is he any kind of “normal” or “traditional” President, and we make a big mistake to treat him and speak of him as such

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:42:09am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart

No

If instead of an African-American he was a Muslim, would you think his choosing not to go was the wrong decision?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:42:42am

re: #325 bratwurst

Shudder

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Hasn’t he fucked working people enough? Takes a special asshole to delight in that. There’s merely being wrong on policy and then there’s people like Walker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:45:01am

re: #331 Anymouse

If instead of an African-American he was a Muslim, would you think his choosing not to go was the wrong decision?

It is not about anybody’s is race or religion, it is about the content of DT’s character, the things he says and, most recently, the people he has appointed/fired and the EOs he has signed.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:47:24am

Do you support the woman from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir who quit rather than perform at the inauguration, or do you think “it wasn’t the right move?”

I’m just trying to figure out what traditions should be honoured and which shouldn’t, and for which persons it is the right move to avoid the president and which persons it is not.

Being in the target of Steve King’s and Mike Lee’s workup bill to eject people who have undocumented grandparents in their family, I think I would refuse in all cases with Mr. Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:48:06am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Hasn’t he fucked working people enough? Takes a special asshole to delight in that. There’s merely being wrong on policy and then there’s people like Walker.

Scott Walker as DOL Secretary is the kind of thing mothers tell their kids into scaring them to be good.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:48:41am

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

How would “Obama people” even have access to details of his calls?

“Obama people” means anyone working for the government not appointed by Trump/Bannon.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:48:52am

re: #335 Sir John Barron

Scott Walker as DOL Secretary is the kind of thing mothers tell their kids into scaring them to be good.

LOL. I am going to sign off: Long village board meeting tonight. I need to rest up for the heavy exercise of sitting in a conference room.

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:50:42am
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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:53:12am

Hi. It’s me again. I don’t understand what this means. Can someone decipher this?

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allegro  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:54:12am

re: #341 MsJ

Hi. It’s me again. I don’t understand what this means. Can someone decipher this?

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Circular firing squad?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:55:26am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:55:36am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:56:07am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

head/desk

glad he’s not trying to politicize his relationship with the military or anything like that. /

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:57:49am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ladies and Gentleman, Trumpy the Orange Dinosaur.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:58:14am

re: #325 bratwurst

Shudder

Walker isn’t worse, but he is in the bad zone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:58:21am
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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2017 • 10:58:24am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

You like me and I like you.

Preznit Barney.

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:00:12am

re: #342 allegro

Circular firing squad?

That’s the go to, no? :-D (I think everything trump is “blame someone else” because it’s always someone else’s fault.)

What I didn’t understand was the meaning of the $ that I don’t understand. Maybe it was supposed to be an ampersand but it’s not like $ and & are especially close on a keyboard. It just threw me.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:00:16am

When teams went to the White House last year, they were there because the White House was honoring them. When people go to the White House now, they are there so that Trump can honor them with his presence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:00:31am

re: #350 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah the media never reported on Paris at all.//

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Nyet  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:02:13am

re: #341 MsJ

Hi. It’s me again. I don’t understand what this means. Can someone decipher this?

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Does it matter what a presumably fake account says?

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allegro  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:02:40am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump opens remarks to troops: “We had a wonderful election, didn’t we? … You like me and I like you.”

Oh good gawd, we elected Barney.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:03:22am

re: #352 Belafon

When teams went to the White House last year, they were there because the White House was honoring them. When people go to the White House now, they are there so that Trump can honor them himself with his their presence.

ftfy

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:03:24am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #344 Anymouse

Such a simpleton. Mentally unstable simpleton.

♥♥Barney the purple dinosaur “i love you”♥♥

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:03:50am

Is everything a god damned I’m awesome self blowjob with this guy?

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:04:02am

re: #350 The Vicious Babushka

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On saying the media doesn’t want the troops to know about “Islamic terrorism,” I’m guessing one paper he doesn’t read is Stars and Stripes (the one the troops read):

stripes.com

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:05:11am

re: #356 Nyet

Does it matter what a presumably fake account says?

I find the presumably fake account fun. Plus, I don’t like when I don’t understand something.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:07:48am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One major naval vessel today can destroy an entire city in an hour. We don’t need as many ships.

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Kragar  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:07:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:10:17am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: “We’ve been depleted, and the US Navy is almost back down to its World War I level.”

Mitt Romney fell flat on his face at the debates over a similar line.

And yes, the horses and bayonets thing: ships now carry long-range, radar-guided weapons delivery systems, not just torpedoes and guns with optical rangefinders.

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Anymouse  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:12:10am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mitt Romney fell flat on his face at the debates over a similar line.

And yes, the horses and bayonets thing: ships now carry long-range, radar-guided weapons delivery systems, not just torpedoes and guns with optical rangefinders.

Make cannons great again. More sabres and cutlasses for the crew.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:13:37am

re: #369 Kragar

Technology is something Trump really doesn’t grasp very well.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:15:47am

re: #148 Targetpractice

No no, “patient-centered” means going back to the days when you paid for a doctor’s visit with a chicken. Because we all have a roost full of chickens in our backyards, dontchaknow?

////

Same with bringing coal back. We all still have coal burning furnaces and a big coal bin in the basement, right. I actually converted my coal storage room (house was built in 1920) into my woodworking shop, and the coal shute (even spellcheck doesn’t remember this word) to outside had been sealed up for years prior.

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MsJ  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:16:53am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Technology is something Trump really doesn’t grasp very well.

Methinks we might want to change our concept of grasp to listing what he does understand. It would be a much shorter list.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:22:57am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yet he’s trying to keep those very people out.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:25:24am

re: #288 MsJ

What does that even mean? I seem to have lost my ‘WTF are you talking about?’ decoder.

Tickets are the proper channel to getting into the Super Bowl.

So, to get into the U.S. you need to go through the full legal immigration process…your ticket in.

Or something like that have for the simple minded.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:26:57am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Yes.

He would plug in lightbulbs, if he didn’t have slaves to do it for him, bu holding said lightbulb up and letting the universe rotate around him.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2017 • 11:43:48am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

What happens when Walmart comes to your town?

You get to see some weird people shopping in the wee hours of the morning?


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