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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:22:41pm

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:23:48pm

In Austin:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:25:18pm

The only people that will benefit from these raids are the private prisons. Wonder how much stock Trump and his family own.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:25:19pm

re: #2 Anymouse

Is ICE detaining everyone or simply people with outstanding warrants?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:25:41pm

re: #3 I Would Prefer Not To

The only people that will benefit from these raids are the private prisons. Wonder how much stock Trump and his family own.

Plenty, I would imagine.

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CongoJack  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:28:42pm

I am late to the party but saw the post about Laura Ingraham (a few articles ago) telling police to arrest the protesters keeping DeVos out of the DC school (which I had to share with my Mother - former teacher - who is attempting to keep her spirits high). We cannot forget this little piece from the RNC and I am not too certain why it has not been run with to send that shill out on a rail.

YouTube

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:29:02pm

Trump doesn’t give a shit about security, even the basic variety. It’s still not clear whether he’s got a smartphone that has been cleared, but this is just more evidence they don’t know what they’re doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:29:20pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

Is ICE detaining everyone or simply people with outstanding warrants?

In southern California, it was everyone present in the house.

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unproven innocence  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:30:44pm

Written testimony of DHS Secretary John F. Kelly for a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing titled “Ending the Crisis: America’s Borders and the Path to Security”
Release Date: February 7, 2017
Excerpt:

The President’s Executive Orders

During his first two weeks in office, President Trump issued executive orders to secure our borders, enforce our immigration laws, and protect the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the United States. The President has gotten right to work, fighting on behalf of American families and workers—and these moves will strengthen our national security.

The purpose of the order on border security is to direct executive departments and agencies to deploy all lawful means to secure the nation’s southern border, prevent further illegal immigration into the United States, and to repatriate illegal aliens swiftly, consistently, and humanely.

[bullshit] and to repatriate illegal aliens swiftly, consistently, and humanely. [/bullshit]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:33:35pm
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:35:52pm

The widespread disconnect by GOPers from reality is scary - considering that many are in power and they push ever more radical lies. Like claiming that the Democrats are the ones who are Klanners - when actual KKKers, white supremacists and Neo Nazis flocked to Bannon/Trump during the campaign and continue supporting the Admin’s efforts to make America white again (by throwing out all the heathens who aren’t white, Christian, and well to do).

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:37:18pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

Is ICE detaining everyone or simply people with outstanding warrants?

Based on what is going on at Twitter (not an entirely reliable source but lots of people commenting), they are sweeping up just about anyone they want: with an outstanding warrant, those on deportation orders, those who are not, those who are citizens and green card holders.

It appears to be very equitable - if equality means you can be deported.

In Phoenix, the mother taken from her children yesterday that sparked protests is now in Mexico City.

#ICERaids (second-by-second updates, now trending on USA Twitter)

The ACLU is reminding people they do not have to open their doors or answer questions without a warrant signed by a judge.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:37:51pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

In southern California, it was everyone present in the house.

Wow.

I can see arresting people with outstanding arrest warrants or under deportation orders, but not everyone in the house. That’s seriously fucked up.

Every year, twice a year (usually in late May and again in August) the Foreigners Police here do major sweeps in Prague; apartment blocks, workplaces, bars, etc., where foreigners are known to congregate. If they find anyone here illegally, BOOM, off they go. I was working in a call center one summer that employed almost exclusively foreigners and they came in on one of their sweeps. Fortunately, there were no problems for anyone. I’ve even been stopped in the street by the Foreigners Police during a sweep - had to show them my permanent residence card.

Here, from time to time, it really is, “Your papers, please”.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:39:31pm

Can’t verify, but …

Ivanka on Sale
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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:40:32pm

re: #14 I Would Prefer Not To

A buck is still too much.

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Mattand  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:41:24pm

So these ICE raids are really a thing? I hate to be “that guy”, but I want to make sure this is actually happening before I start spreading the word.

And I’ll go here as well: As bang up of a job Olbermann is doing, and as big pieces of shit both Trump and the GOP are, it’s still Olbermann. He has a “Shoot first, ask questions later” habit that gets him trouble occasionally. I want to make sure this is actually happening.

That said, if these raids are happening, I’m sure Camden and Philly are in crosshairs and we’ll be hearing about them around here soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:41:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:41:57pm

re: #16 Mattand

So these ICE raids are really a thing? I hate to be “that guy”, but I want to make sure this is actually happening before I start spreading the word.

And I’ll go here as well: As bang up of a job Olbermann is doing, and as big pieces of shit both Trump and the GOP are, it’s still Olbermann. He has a “Shoot first, ask questions later” habit that gets him trouble occasionally. I want to make sure this is actually happening.

That said, if these raids are happening, I’m sure Camden and Philly are in crosshairs and we’ll be hearing about them around here soon.

The raids started on Wednesday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:42:56pm
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Mattand  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:43:35pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

The raids started on Wednesday.

Christ, shouldn’t this have been plastered across every news outlet in the country?

Probably a rhetorical question, but still…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:44:20pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:45:47pm

Hey @realDonaldTrump - remember us? Since you won’t meet with vets at the WH, we’re airing this ad on #SNL this weekend to get on your TV.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:47:15pm

Remember Steve Bannon is trying to get control of VOA:

huffingtonpost.com;

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty stops funding magazine critical of Russia.

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, a U.S. government-funded news organization, has cut funding for The Interpreter magazine, an online publication that has critically covered Russia.

Michael Weiss, a Daily Beast senior editor who also serves as editor-in-chief of The Interpreter, told The Huffington Post that RFE/RL’s management made the decision to stop funding the magazine last fall, before Donald Trump’s election victory.

While RFE/RL stopped paying Weiss’ three-person team for The Interpreter at the end of December, following the conclusion of a one-year contract, the news organization agreed to continue paying them for work on polygraph.info, a new fact-checking and propaganda debunking site launched with Voice of America.

Weiss was recently informed that his team would not get another contract for 2017 for work on Polygraph, but agreed to a short-term deal through the end of February. After that, the Interpreter staff can potentially freelance for the new site.

(More at Huffington Post)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:48:07pm
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Mattand  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:50:08pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:53:25pm

NOT SAFE FOR WORK BUT ENTIRELY GOOD FOR YOUR SOUL.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:56:26pm

Remember that Public Policy Polling question about the Bowling Green Massacre that had fifty-one percent of Trump supporters considering the fictional massacre grounds for an immigration ban?

Huffington Post reminds folk (as I have here) that most people don’t play inside baseball with politics and therefore simply hearing about the “massacre” without context (such as the question) means they might agree:

That makes a splashy headline, and it’s catnip for liberals who want to laugh at how stupid they think Trump supporters are. But it’s not good polling practice and should not be reported without substantial caveats about how the question was written and likely perceived by respondents.

First, most of us who read polls live in a world focused on media and politics, and we should get out of that mindset. The average American doesn’t spend hours of their day glued to Twitter and cable networks watching all the latest developments in Washington, D.C. Most are busy living their lives, caring for families, working non-political jobs or all of the above.

In that frame of mind, how many Americans have probably heard of the Bowling Green Massacre, or know it’s a fake thing Kellyanne Conway made up last week? We don’t know. The poll didn’t ask that question. The question wasn’t even about whether people believed the fictional massacre happened ― that was simply asserted as a fact.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:57:54pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 1:58:08pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:00:21pm

Ana Navarro shuts down Navy SEAL Trump supporter

Trumpist Navy Seal SHUT DOWN By Ana Navarro on Live TV (TheDavid Pakman Show - 4:58)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:01:04pm

re: #7 lawhawk

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Trump doesn’t give a shit about security, even the basic variety. It’s still not clear whether he’s got a smartphone that has been cleared, but this is just more evidence they don’t know what they’re doing.

How do we know it’s not a prop, just like the folders full of empty pages?

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:02:08pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:03:28pm
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EmmaAnne  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:04:22pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If that’s true, then Mattand’s skepticism is correct. If.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:05:13pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN: The Sky is blue

Spicer: FAKE NEWS!

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allegro  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:05:33pm

re: #32 Anymouse

I’m worried that Mike Lee’s/Steve King’s bill to make those with undocumented grandparents un-citizens. If they do, I’m fucked.

FFS. Dude.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:06:27pm

re: #34 EmmaAnne

If that’s true, then Mattand’s skepticism is correct. If.

Weird. I clicked on #19 in that comment to go to it, and it opened it in a box I couldn’t close. I had to reload the page.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:06:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:08:40pm

re: #25 Mattand

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:09:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:10:46pm

re: #34 EmmaAnne

If that’s true, then Mattand’s skepticism is correct. If.

Right now I believe any “official statement” from ICE as much as I believe in the War on Christmas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:11:03pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Oh great, what now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:11:56pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Maybe Rudy helped him write this one, too…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:12:16pm

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CongoJack  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:14:26pm

re: #38 jaunte

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This smacks of Nixon telling the leader of South Vietnam (who’s name escapes me at the moment) to kill the peace process with LBJ (note: Nixon didn’t get flak for this).

Also smacks of Raygun telling the extremists in Iran to hold on to US hostages and we would open the door to sell them weapons (Iran-Contra the result) and Ollie North (noted Fox “New” contributor) to have his secretary shred the evidence.

YouTube

If this doesn’t rid us of a few Trumpkins in the Executive Branch will anything?

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ckkatz  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:14:47pm

re: #38 jaunte

Translation -
USG- United States Government
Context - Intelligence Agency euphemism/shorthand for the CIA

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:15:04pm

re: #44 Scottish Dragon

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:15:08pm

re: #44 Scottish Dragon

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:16:06pm

re: #32 Anymouse

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:16:26pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:17:03pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:17:14pm

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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:17:17pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Could the Trump team’s trial balloons be any more ham fisted?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:17:29pm

My grandmother (born in Pennsylvania to legal immigrants from Slovakia) lost her American citizenship when she married my grandfather (a Romani refugee from Hungary) in 1918. (There was some really freaky “we’re askeert of ‘certain’ immigrants” law put in place at the time.)
They had eight children, who in turn had many children. This angst about King’s wet dream to deport grandchildren of illegals is just that. There’s no freaking way they can find all of us. Just ain’t gonna happen unless you keep drawing attention to yourself, daring them to do it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:18:09pm

Detroit was the penultimate destination of the Underground Railroad.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:18:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:19:11pm

re: #50 Kragar

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Manafort was the one who pushed for Pence as the VP pick.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:21:58pm

You want to watch some shit?

CNN’s The first time I realized I was black

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:22:26pm

congress.gov

Rep. Steve King’s “Birthright Citizenship” bill, now filed.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (01/03/2017)

Birthright Citizenship Act of 2017

This bill amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to consider a person born in the United States “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States for citizenship at birth purposes if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is: (1) a U.S. citizen or national, (2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States, or (3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces.

This Act shall not be construed to affect the citizenship or nationality status of any person born before the date of its enactment.

The last line is the caveat that would keep me from being deported to Poland. Presumably it could be stripped from the bill at any time (which would then make me subject to it), or the bill might die in committee. It has twenty co-sponsors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:22:31pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:23:12pm

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:25:46pm

re: #61 Scottish Dragon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:27:04pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

We’ve got enough trouble with tractors pulling farm equipment, logging trucks, and Amish buggies. Sure…let the ATVs on the roads, too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:28:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:30:11pm
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:31:29pm

Congressman Pascrell Wants Ways and Means to Formally Request Trump’s Tax Returns

“The Presidential campaign is over and the fear that a political opponent will try to use tax returns for electoral benefit is passed,” wrote Pascrell. “President Trump is now governing while also owning a business with international investments. The Constitution faces unprecedented threats due to this arrangement. I believe the powerful Ways and Means Committee has the responsibility to use that power to ensure proper oversight of the executive branch by requesting a review of President Trump’s tax returns.”

Current law allows the House Committee on Ways and Means, the Senate Committee on Finance, and the Joint Committee on Taxation to make such a request to allow members of the committee to review the tax documents of any individual in closed session and consider their public release. This move would allow for important Congressional oversight of potential conflicts of interest, which up to this point has not been possible because of the President’s refusal to release his tax returns, Pascrell noted.observer.com

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:34:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:34:30pm
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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:35:06pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

We’ve got enough trouble with tractors pulling farm equipment, logging trucks, and Amish buggies. Sure…let the ATVs on the roads, too!

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When I was driving bunky big rigs on hilly, blind, back roads in Dead Deer County, I was always fearful of a carload of kids rocketing down the lane in a Camaro or PU truck having a beer or 5. ATV’s? Entrails in the trees.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:35:14pm

re: #59 Anymouse

congress.gov

Rep. Steve King’s “Birthright Citizenship” bill, now filed.

The last line is the caveat that would keep me from being deported to Poland. Presumably it could be stripped from the bill at any time (which would then make me subject to it), or the bill might die in committee. It has twenty co-sponsors.

He’s planning on repealing the 14th Amendment, because it is VERY specific on who are considered citizens of the United States.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:36:13pm

re: #70 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

He’s planning on repealing the 14th Amendment, because it is VERY specific on who are considered citizens of the United States.

And you just can’t do that by passing a law.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:36:51pm
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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:37:43pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

White House doesn’t plan to take stay of Trump’s immigration ban to Supreme Court, plans to defend its merits

Didn’t the 9th Circuit determine that it had no merits?

This is why I vacillate between thinking this administration is evil and comically inept.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:37:50pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

We’ve got enough trouble with tractors pulling farm equipment, logging trucks, and Amish buggies. Sure…let the ATVs on the roads, too!

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We already have those here (some ranchers use ATV’s instead of horses).

One fellow here who lost his driver’s license due to eyesight now drives around town on a lawnmower.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:38:00pm
Gillian Christensen, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), confirmed that ICE agents this week had raided homes and workplaces in Atlanta, the Los Angeles area and two other cities that she declined to identify, as part of “routine” immigration enforcement actions. ICE does not use the term raids.

“That would be telling.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:39:58pm

re: #73 makeitstop

Didn’t the 9th Circuit determine that it had no merits?

This is why I vacillate between thinking this administration is evil and comically inept.

why, yes. yes they did!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:40:20pm
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CongoJack  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:40:37pm

re: #50 Kragar

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Sucession scares me as well
Trump is horrid
Pence is a religious nut house
Paul Ryan will Ayn Rand the shit out of us
Rex Tillerson is owned by Russia (I believe to be Russia’s goal)

Then the rest of the cabinet of deplorables

Could America just ask for a revote (as I want Hillary to be seen legit and not just given it)

Edit: to fix spelling as auto correct kills me and doesn’t like me to cuss

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:40:46pm

re: #70 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Birthright citizenship for those after the XIV Amendment was adopted is determined by a Supreme Court decision, Wong Kim Ark v United States. The point of the legislation would be to overturn Ark.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:41:26pm

re: #73 makeitstop

Didn’t the 9th Circuit determine that it had no merits?

This is why I vacillate between thinking this administration is evil and comically inept.

Trump is only watching the news shows that have his puppets on talking about how the EO “can win on the merits.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:41:30pm

re: #74 Anymouse

We already have those here (some ranchers use ATV’s instead of horses).

One fellow here who lost his driver’s license due to eyesight now drives around town on a lawnmower.

when I lived in Illinois, there was a guy who drove his riding mower around town because he lost his license due to multiple DUIs.
He eventually stopped after he failed to beat a train at the railroad crossing (and was riding his mower drunk at the time).

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:42:34pm

re: #69 nines09

When I was driving bunky big rigs on hilly, blind, back roads in Dead Deer County, I always fearful of a carload of kids rocketing down the lane in a Camaro or PU truck having a beer or 5. ATV’s? Entrails in the trees.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:42:46pm

re: #80 jaunte

Trump is only watching the news shows that have his puppets on talking about how the EO “can win on the merits.”

Win on the merits WHERE???

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stpaulbear  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:42:53pm

re: #20 Mattand

Christ, shouldn’t this have been plastered across every news outlet in the country?

Probably a rhetorical question, but still…

WaPo had this story yesterday about a mother of two who’d been arrested. I just checked the NYT and didn’t see any headlines about it.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:42:56pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

when I lived in Illinois, there was a guy who drove his riding mower around town because he lost his license due to multiple DUIs.
He eventually stopped after he failed to beat a train at the railroad crossing (and was riding his mower drunk at the time).

Yike. My uncle was killed the same way, but riding a horse. He attempted to beat a train after a long night at the bar. Horse lived, he didn’t.

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I cannot.  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:43:33pm

re: #78 CongoJack

We COULD ask…but there’s nothing in precedent, law, or the Constitution for it. Literally, the founders of this country never conceived of something this fucking crazy.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:43:54pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Win on the merits WHERE???

IN the conversation I watched, the Trumpists were claiming it would win on the merits at the Supreme Court.

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scottslemmons  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:44:00pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Win on the merits WHERE???

In other words, they’ll tell their goon squads to just keep throwing brown people out of the country.

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I cannot.  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:44:34pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Breitbart. They’ll win on the merits on Breitbart.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:44:58pm

re: #78 CongoJack

Sucession scares me as well
Trump is horrid
Pence is a religious nut house
Paul Ryan will Ayn Rand the shot out of us
Rex Tillerson is owned by Russia (I believe to be Russia’s goal)

Then the rest of the cabinet of deplorables

Could America just ask for a revote (as I want Hillary to be seen legit and not just given it)

We’ll likely get Acting President Mattis after the entire cabinet and GOP leadership is locked up for acts of sedition and the military stages a coup d’etat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:46:29pm

re: #85 Anymouse

Yike. My uncle was killed the same way, but riding a horse. He attempted to beat a train after a long night at the bar. Horse lived, he didn’t.

Here in the Backwoods, there’s a guy who has a motorized wheelchair and he’s constantly riding that thing on the highway at the county seat.
(Fun fact: He flies a flag on the back of the wheelchair and he’s missing a leg, which he likes to claim he “lost it in Nam”. But we all know how he really lost that leg (and this is the truth): he jumped out of a second-story window when the husband of the woman he was boinking came home unexpectedly.)

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:48:14pm

re: #82 makeitstop

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:49:08pm
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CongoJack  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:49:08pm

re: #90 Myron Falwell

And I can see all those RW nuts taking that well. Though it sounds almost like a junta… which I’m sad to say I might take at this moment (given the constitution is upheld in the process)

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:49:19pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here in the Backwoods, there’s a guy who has a motorized wheelchair and he’s constantly riding that thing on the highway at the county seat.
(Fun fact: He flies a flag on the back of the wheelchair and he’s missing a leg, which he likes to claim he “lost it in Nam”. But we all know how he really lost that leg (and this is the truth): he jumped out of a second-story window when the husband of the woman he was boinking came home unexpectedly.

I’ve seen motorised wheelchairs on the streets of our county seat. That said, most of the streets are dirt and the traffic moves slowly.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:49:45pm

re: #80 jaunte

Trump is only watching the news shows that have his puppets on talking about how the EO “can win on the merits.”

You’re probably right on that.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:52:19pm

re: #86 I cannot.

We COULD ask…but there’s nothing in precedent, law, or the Constitution for it. Literally, the founders of this country never conceived of something this fucking crazy.

There’s all sorts of ways this could end. None of them are good, and some of them are frightening on a Reign of Terror/Thermidorian Reaction scale (where basically people exact vengeance on everyone in power and then some).

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:52:25pm
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:52:36pm

“People at random” using a handy color chart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:53:09pm

re: #95 Anymouse

I’ve seen motorised wheelchairs on the streets of our county seat. That said, most of the streets are dirt and the traffic moves slowly.

and y’all have those sandtraps that can swallow them up.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:53:15pm

re: #92 nines09

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:55:08pm

re: #94 CongoJack

And I can see all those RW nuts taking that well. Though it sounds almost like a junta… which I’m sad to say I might take at this moment (given the constitution is upheld in the process)

With the GOP rank-and-file doing nothing to uphold the Constitution, it’s as worthless as a used McDonald’s napkin.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:56:07pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

and y’all have those sandtraps that can swallow them up.

My whole county is a sandtrap - we’re the Inland Coast.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:57:34pm

re: #99 jaunte

I’m wondering if I should break out the bleach to blanch my dark-olive skin… .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:57:45pm
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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 2:59:00pm

re: #101 makeitstop

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:02:42pm

Really, I gotta ask (and I’ll probably regret this): if trump isn’t going to appeal to SCOTUS, then where and in what reality is his administration going to “win on the merits”?

Oh wait…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:03:11pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:03:16pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

…but fuck those who carry the child. And fuck the kids once they are born unless it is into a world of rich WASP privilege.

The only reason the GOP hasn’t openly persecuted the Catholics is because of teh fetuses. Otherwise they would be rounded up like everyone else they don’t like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:03:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:04:51pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:05:37pm

re: #59 Anymouse

congress.gov

Rep. Steve King’s “Birthright Citizenship” bill, now filed.

The last line is the caveat that would keep me from being deported to Poland. Presumably it could be stripped from the bill at any time (which would then make me subject to it), or the bill might die in committee. It has twenty co-sponsors.

It’s patently Unconstitutional, as no Bill can override the 14th Amendment.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:06:01pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think “see you in court” is just more of Trump’s kneejerk you’re-not-the-boss-of-me reaction to any resistance. He didn’t know what he was going to do when he said it, it just sounded good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:06:39pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:07:11pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

It’s patently Unconstitutional, as no Bill can override the 14th Amendment.

They’re consulting the Alternate Constitution.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:07:17pm

re: #113 jaunte

I think “see you in court” is just more of Trump’s kneejerk you’re-not-the-boss-of-me reaction to any resistance. He didn’t know what he was going to do when he said it, it just sounded good.

“DON’T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??!!??” Falls down flight of stairs…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:07:43pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
what a bunch of dumbasses

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:07:43pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:08:08pm
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TedStriker  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:09:31pm

re: #99 jaunte

“People at random” using a handy color chart.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:09:44pm

re: #119 Kragar

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Raids in Vista.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:10:04pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

It’s patently Unconstitutional, as no Bill can override the 14th Amendment.

The bill doesn’t seek to override the XIV Amendment. It seeks to overrule a Supreme Court decision (see above). That is legal.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:11:48pm

Oh brother.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:11:58pm

Prob been posted earlier, but the protests are separating the people from the asshole yam.

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TedStriker  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:12:12pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Raids in Vista.

La Migra’s getting a workout from Orange Julius Caesar.

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TedStriker  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:12:40pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Oh brother.

If true, Snowden is so fucked.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:13:51pm

re: #122 Anymouse

The bill doesn’t seek to override the XIV Amendment. It seeks to overrule a Supreme Court decision (see above). That is legal.

No, it isn’t. Who told you this and why do you believe it? If overturning a Supreme Court decision was as simple as passing a bill into law then Roe v. Wade would’ve been history a long time ago. Wong Kim Ark clarifies the 14th Amendment, Congress can’t undo that without passing another Amendment to the Constitution and getting enough States to ratify it.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:14:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:14:47pm

re: #122 Anymouse

The bill doesn’t seek to override the XIV Amendment. It seeks to overrule a Supreme Court decision (see above). That is legal.

And it will immediately be challenged and be unenforced until such time that SCOTUS rules on it.
A new law can’t just immediately take effect overriding the Constitution OR a SCOTUS ruling.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:15:15pm

Geez, I wonder what Assange and Greenwald have to say….

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:00pm

re: #97 Myron Falwell

There’s all sorts of ways this could end. None of them are good, and some of them are frightening on a Reign of Terror/Thermidorian Reaction scale (where basically people exact vengeance on everyone in power and then some).

How it will end will be up to us, the American people.

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:03pm

The source material for this post is excellent.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:12pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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If it isn’t on Fox, it hasn’t happened…

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:16pm

re: #126 TedStriker

If true, Snowden is so fucked.

How? Unless he’s flat out released into the wild, sounds like a win for Snowden. He’s taking advantage of a corrupt and compromised federal government and will never get his comeuppance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:16:46pm

Fun fact: per Federal law I am required to have my green card on me at all times in public.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:17:22pm
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unproven innocence  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:18:09pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’ll hazard a guess —change the 100mi limit (proximity to physical border or port of entry, for ICE CBP authority) to maybe 900mi. It’s only a tiny change! Just one digit.

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:18:42pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart

Geez, I wonder what Assange and Greenwald have to say….

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The tool is no longer useful after being used to defeat Clinton so it can be thrown away. Wonder if whatever they promised him in Geneva is looking good enough now?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:18:44pm
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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:19:00pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Time for some lawsuits.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:19:22pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Win on the merits WHERE???

Good question. Trump is a moron.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:19:39pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

No, it isn’t. Who told you this and why do you believe it? If overturning a Supreme Court decision was as simple as passing a bill into law then Roe v. Wade would’ve been history a long time ago. Wong Kim Ark clarifies the 14th Amendment, Congress can’t undo that without passing another Amendment to the Constitution and getting enough States to ratify it.

Numerous bills have been advanced to overturn Wong Kim Ark and have all failed due to lack of votes, not trying (see Wikipedia for that).

Wong Kim Ark clarifies the XIV Amendment - but a bill directly challenging it can go to the conservative Supreme Court. No amendment required.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:20:45pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Fun fact: per Federal law I am required to have my green card on me at all times in public.

That may be true, but you aren’t required to provide it on demand without just cause. The Fourth Amendment guarantees that right:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Notice that it does not limit this right to citizens, but to everyone in the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:22:06pm
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gwangung  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:22:07pm

re: #143 Anymouse

Numerous bills have been advanced to overturn Wong Kim Ark and have all failed due to lack of votes, not trying (see Wikipedia for that).

Wong Kim Ark clarifies the XIV Amendment - but a bill directly challenging it can go to the conservative Supreme Court. No amendment required.

And it will have to win 7-2 (because Wong Kim Ark was decided 6-2).

Not. Gonna. Happen.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:22:30pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Been keeping my eye on it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:22:49pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:23:23pm

re: #144 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

That may be true, but you aren’t required to provide it on demand without just cause. The Fourth Amendment guarantees that right:

Notice that it does not limit this right to citizens, but to everyone in the United States.

That would be the same CBP that was gathering up people’s green cards on commercial aircraft, based presumably on flight manifests.

I am guessing here, but it would appear that the various agencies involved in this are banking on people not knowing their rights under the law.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:23:35pm

re: #146 gwangung

And it will have to win 7-2 (because Wong Kim Ark was decided 6-2).

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Huh? It can be decided 5-4 and be law.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:24:13pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Obviously Fox ignored it.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:24:30pm
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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:24:44pm

re: #122 Anymouse

The bill doesn’t seek to override the XIV Amendment. It seeks to overrule a Supreme Court decision (see above). That is legal.

And the SCOTUS will take it up again.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:26:38pm

For those wondering what’s “Pflugerville?”

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TedStriker  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:27:10pm

re: #135 Myron Falwell

How? Unless he’s flat out released into the wild, sounds like a win for Snowden. He’s taking advantage of a corrupt and compromised federal government and will never get his comeuppance.

That’s entirely possible, but, remember, Snowden’s currently where he is at the pleasure of the Russian government and his usefulness to Putin has pretty much expired, hence why Putin seems willing to give him up to us now. The Trump administration could then let him go or they could instruct the DoJ to throw the book at him is a “show of strength”.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:27:32pm

Plant City Florida is where a lot of your orange juice come from.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:28:26pm

In the next few hours we have a full moon, lunar eclipse and a comet. (The comet is best seen with good binocs or a decent scope.)

scientificamerican.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:29:07pm

re: #132 gocart mozart

Super excellent!

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:30:24pm

re: #146 gwangung

And it will have to win 7-2 (because Wong Kim Ark was decided 6-2).

Not. Gonna. Happen.

It would have to win 5-3. (Or if another conservative reaches the bench, 5-4). They don’t need more votes than they had last time, they only need a majority.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:30:51pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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And would surely have been part of his briefings before he took office; certain Obama’s crew knew too.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:31:53pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

It’ll have to be reported by CNN.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:36:25pm

re: #154 jaunte

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For those wondering what’s “Pflugerville?”

Getting kinda close to home there….

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gwangung  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:43:39pm

re: #159 Anymouse

It would have to win 5-3. (Or if another conservative reaches the bench, 5-4). They don’t need more votes than they had last time, they only need a majority.

Well, crap, I obviously am getting something confused here.

But I still think it’s going to be hard to find good juris prudence to overturn Wong Kim Ark (that is, for Roberts and Kennedy. Alito and Thomas has show no respect for precedence).

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:56:56pm

re: #67 Kragar

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Does Donald Trump Know How To Shake Hands? An Investigation
huffingtonpost.com

It’s featured as “comedy,” but at least some of those gifs are real.

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:24:12pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Oh brother.

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What took them so long?


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