Report: Russia Wants to “Curry Favor” With Trump by Handing Over Edward Snowden (To Be Executed)

Ed’s Russian friends may not really be his friends after all
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The news just keeps getting wackier. Now we have reports that Russia may try to “curry favor” with the Trump regime by turning over Edward Snowden.

And remember: Donald Trump has called Edward Snowden a “traitor” who should be executed.

I wonder if Ed now regrets tweeting “2016: a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs?” (A tweet he has deleted, by the way.)

That’s according to a senior U.S. official who has analyzed a series of highly sensitive intelligence reports detailing Russian deliberations and who says a Snowden handover is one of various ploys to “curry favor” with Trump. A second source in the intelligence community confirms the intelligence about the Russian conversations and notes it has been gathered since the inauguration.

Snowden’s ACLU lawyer, Ben Wizner, told NBC News they are unaware of any plans that would send him back to the United States.

“Team Snowden has received no such signals and has no new reason for concern,” Wizner said.

I sort of doubt that Vladimir Putin’s going to give Snowden’s lawyer a heads-up on this one.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:37:00pm

Just checked to see if I have any fucks to give Snowden.

Sorry, Ed.

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jeffreyw  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:38:09pm

Ed, we have good news and some bad news.

What’s the good news?

You may be going home!

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:38:28pm

Maybe he can find a spare room in Brazil.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:42:09pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:42:12pm

Hugh Hewitt joins The Washington Post as contributing opinion columnist

They must be afraid that Jennifer Rubin has gone wobbly now that she’s starting to make sense.

washingtonpost.com

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jeffreyw  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:42:36pm

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porchetta pork tenderloin stuffed with mushroom/cornbread dressing

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stpaulbear  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:45:07pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

Hugh Hewitt joins The Washington Post as contributing opinion columnist

They must be afraid that Jennifer Rubin has gone wobbly now that she’s starting to make sense.

washingtonpost.com

It’s a drag that the WaPo’s reporting has been so good but their opinion writers are just freakin’ awful. It’s like the two sides don’t read each other.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:46:12pm

“Curry favor” with trump? He’s already their bitch!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:46:35pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

Hugh Hewitt joins The Washington Post as contributing opinion columnist

They must be afraid that Jennifer Rubin has gone wobbly now that she’s starting to make sense.

washingtonpost.com

Is this an attempt to make Chris Chizzila tolerable by comparison?

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KingKenrod  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:47:34pm

If true, seems like this gives Trump a PR win and a public excuse for pro-Russian moves. And the Russians don’t care about Snowden, this is no loss for them.

I wonder how many Snowden fans regret voting for Jill Stein now? Lots of overlap on that Venn diagram.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:49:04pm

such stamina…

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:50:12pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

“He’s had a full day” like they are talking about a cranky toddler.
Oh, wait…

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:50:52pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

such stamina…

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So that’s the second time they’ve used that to my knowledge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:51:33pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

such stamina…

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That reminds me of what my Mom used to say when a kid would start acting up in the late afternoon - “He’s overtired.” Somebody needs to take his phone away and put him down for a nap.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:52:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:53:24pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

That reminds me of what my Mom used to say when a kid would start acting up in the late afternoon - “He’s overtired.” Somebody needs to take his phone away and put him down for a nap.

well, it’s after 6:30 pm…he’s used to being in his bathrobe wandering around an empty White House…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:54:15pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:55:45pm

Jane Kleeb remarking on the 2006 raid in Grand Island, NE:

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:55:46pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bullshit really is their chosen strategy.

And sadly, it’s working pretty damn good. The press’s only tool is the truth…but what happens when enough people don’t care about the truth?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:55:56pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, it’s after 6:30 pm…he’s used to being in his bathrobe wandering around an empty White House…

I missed the origins of the bathrobe thing that’s been going around the last couple days. Anyone care to enlighten me?

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:56:22pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

Not so finally: irrefutable evidence that Snowden is a naive fool who got in way over his head. Spies often get burned by their spymasters. It’s a basic hazard of the profession.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:56:47pm
…a Snowden handover is one of various ploys to “curry favor” with Trump…

Putin’s cooking up some curried snowden for his big orange buddy.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:57:59pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

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No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:58:01pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

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Better tell that tale to your handler, Snowflake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:59:12pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

I missed the origins of the bathrobe thing that’s been going around the last couple days. Anyone care to enlighten me?

it was a NYT article a few days ago. It led to much mirth on social media when Spicer denied that trump even owned a bathrobe

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:59:12pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

I missed the origins of the bathrobe thing that’s been going around the last couple days. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Sean Spicer claimed Mr. Trump does not own a bathrobe, after a report came out alleging he wanders around the White House without one.

That was followed up by several photographs of Mr. Trump in previous years wearing a bathrobe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 3:59:52pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:00:48pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

I missed the origins of the bathrobe thing that’s been going around the last couple days. Anyone care to enlighten me?

It was reported that he wanders around the WH at night in his bathrobe while his aides sit in the Cabinet room in the dark because they don’t know how to turn on the lights.

Sean Spicer says Trump doesn’t own a bathrobe.

Yes, this is all true.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:00:58pm

You notice how EVERYONE doing a photo op for Trump looks fucking terrified?

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:00:59pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

That is a colossally fucking stupid statement.

Leaves out all the ways you could be an unwitting asset, you dumbass, which was part of the problem from the get-go. You volunteered to get worked on by two of the better humint/sigint agencies in the world…one of them for years on end. The moment you settled in Russia, the safe assumption was everything in your cache was busted open.

Because you are not as smart as dozens, maybe hundreds, of professional intelligence operatives all working to trick or treat you into compliance.

(to say nothing of Wikileaks)

Your fucking intentions don’t matter. Your status as “willing” doesn’t matter. That is the scale to which you fucked up.

You sad little man, you were never the hero of the story.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:01:05pm
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unproven innocence  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:01:39pm

re: #24 Anymouse

No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

Bridge of Spies (2015) One of the spies traded was Gary Powers, U2 pilot.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:01:53pm

re: #24 Anymouse

No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

Snowden is also using confusing terminology. Spy trades between countries A and B are where A returns captured B agents to B in return for B returning captured A agents to A.

This fact pattern does not apply to Snowden, since he is definitely not a US agent and seems likely to be a Russian asset. However, if he has outlived his usefulness to Mother Russia, Putin will turn him over to Trump.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:03:27pm

re: #33 unproven innocence

Bridge of Spies (2015) One of the spies traded was Gary Powers, U2 pilot.

Then that woman recently traded … she had a lingerie spread on Facebook and was a deep cover spy from the Soviet Union days … Anna Chapman in 2012.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:04:14pm

re: #32 Anymouse

Word is just getting around.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:06:03pm

re: #31 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

…
Leaves out all the ways you could be an unwitting asset, you dumbass, which was part of the problem from the get-go. …

Whatever the facts of the matter, I think we’re safe with “unwitting”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:06:41pm

re: #27 Anymouse

Sean Spicer claimed Mr. Trump does not own a bathrobe, after a report came out alleging he wanders around the White House without one.

That was followed up by several photographs of Mr. Trump in previous years wearing a bathrobe.

Ah.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:07:11pm

re: #24 Anymouse

No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

I don’t believe that analogy make any sense.
The US and Soviet Union/Russia have traded the others captured spies to get theirs back. They generally don’t give up their own spies to the other side.
At least not publicly.

Though, I don’t think anyone seriously has ever thought Snowden is/was a Russian spy. Just one of their stooges.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:08:09pm

re: #29 Skip Intro

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Yes, this is all true.

The Chief Eunuch, Spicer, tried to refute a story about Trump watching Fox News and Twittering in a bathroom by claiming that Trump didn’t have a bathrobe.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:08:58pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

Snowden is also using confusing terminology. Spy trades between countries A and B are where A returns captures B agents to B in return for B returning captured A agents to A.

This fact pattern does not apply to Snowden, since he is definitely not a US agent and seems likely to be a Russian asset. However, if he has outlived his usefulness to Mother Russia, Putin will turn him over to Trump.

My guess is Snowden is toast.

He’s an IT guy, not military or espionage; he doesn’t understand how this works. Pesky libertarian streak in him will likely get him executed.

While libertarians insist “information wants to be free,” governments don’t really think that. Moreover, since Snowden downloaded info from the NSA, his info might have included information on Russia itself (noteworthy here: none of his data dump included information about Russia, which makes me wonder if he was a Russian asset from the get-go).

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:10:51pm

re: #40 Timothy Watson

The Chief Eunuch, Spicer, tried to refute a story about Trump watching Fox News and Twittering in a bathroom by claiming that Trump didn’t have a bathroom.

The perils of autocorrect strike again. Actually, this works.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:11:20pm

Wassilla Hillbilly to be Amb. To Canada??
Say it ain’t so…..

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:11:43pm

re: #31 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Rule zero of crypto is: don’t put the cryptographer out where they can be subject to social engineering.

Ergo, this person is and has consistently been a fucking numpty.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:12:37pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:12:44pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

I don’t believe that analogy make any sense.
The US and Soviet Union/Russia have traded the others captured spies to get theirs back. They generally don’t give up their own spies to the other side.
At least not publicly.

Though, I don’t think anyone seriously has ever thought Snowden is/was a Russian spy. Just one of their stooges.

Not only that, but Snowden’s only use to Russia as a spy was the contents of his computer, which they no doubt had long ago. Since then, his only use is as a propaganda tool, and how useful a tool is depends on how you use it. Want to embarrass Obama? Let Snowden post Tweets, give interviews, etc. Want to burnish your puppet’s NatSec cred? Send him Snowden to punish.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:13:35pm

Here’s someone you Twitterati can block with extreme prejudice:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

The perils of autocorrect strike again. Actually, this works.

Well, to be fair, the White House was built at a time when there wasn’t much in the way of indoor plumbing.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:15:45pm

Do we have to take Snowden back? Having to live the rest of his life in Russia is a fitting punishment, significantly cheaper than a trial and prison too.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:15:46pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:16:15pm

Trumpettes are now swarming all over #ICERaids cheering on sweeping up undocumented immigrants (and US citizens), calling for mass deportations of whole families (including citizens), &c.

Who knew we had so many fascists in our country.

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scottslemmons  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:17:05pm

Meanwhile, I’m sure Greenwald and Assange are all “New phone, who dis?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:17:10pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:17:21pm

re: #51 Anymouse

Trumpettes are now swarming all over #ICERaids cheering on sweeping up undocumented immigrants (and US citizens), calling for mass deportations of whole families (including citizens), &c.

Who knew we had so many fascists in our country.

Bannon, apparently.

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TedStriker  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:18:50pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

Just checked to see if I have any fucks to give Snowden.

Sorry, Ed.

re: #2 jeffreyw

Ed, we have good news and some bad news.

What’s the good news?

You may be going home!

re: #22 EPR-radar

Not so finally: irrefutable evidence that Snowden is a naive fool who got in way over his head. Spies often get burned by their spymasters. It’s a basic hazard of the profession.

re: #23 wrenchwench

Putin’s cooking up some curried snowden for his big orange buddy.

re: #24 Anymouse

No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

re: #25 William Lewis

Better tell that tale to your handler, Snowflake.

re: #34 EPR-radar

Snowden is also using confusing terminology. Spy trades between countries A and B are where A returns captured B agents to B in return for B returning captured A agents to A.

This fact pattern does not apply to Snowden, since he is definitely not a US agent and seems likely to be a Russian asset. However, if he has outlived his usefulness to Mother Russia, Putin will turn him over to Trump.

Eddie might want to refuse any tea his “hosts” offer and be wary of people walking near him with big umbrellas.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:20:58pm

re: #51 Anymouse

Trumpettes are now swarming all over #ICERaids cheering on sweeping up undocumented immigrants (and US citizens), calling for mass deportations of whole families (including citizens), &c.

Who knew we had so many fascists in our country.

Like I said the other day, now I really understand what it meant for the Nazis to be a popular movement in Weimar Germany, as opposed to having just read it in a book.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:21:44pm

re: #16 FormerDirtDart

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This guy is the douchiest douche of doucheville.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:22:32pm
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They’re working sooooo hard.

…Medina-Cuabras entered ICE custody Thursday after completing his 17-year prison sentence at the Arizona Department of Corrections following his conviction for aggravated assault…

He was handed over. Makes the stats look better though. ‘We deported a wanted felon!’

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:22:51pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:23:07pm

re: #58 Barefoot Grin

This guy is the douchiest douche of doucheville.

That’s an impossible title for any Republican to hold for very long. The competition for that is truly fierce.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:23:31pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:24:30pm

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:25:32pm

re: #13 Jebediah, RBG

“He’s had a full day” like they are talking about a cranky toddler.
Oh, wait…

Well you need a blue sky holiday
The point is they laugh at what you say
And I don’t need no carryin’ on

You had a bad day
You’re taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don’t know
You tell me don’t lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don’t lie
You’re coming back down and you really don’t mind
You had a bad day

Daniel Powter - Bad Day (Official Music Video)

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:25:52pm

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:26:56pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:26:56pm

re: #62 Anymouse

In the unlikely event I get hassled by some asshole with a gun and badge over my immigration status and views on Trump, I hope I’ll have the courage to rise to the occasion as follows:

“Thank you for asking. Popular vote loser Trump is a witless fucking cocksplat who makes me ashamed to be a US citizen. I can go on like this all day, so do you arrest me now or later?”

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:28:18pm

re: #63 Birth Control Works

Wow. Forced-birthers inherently approve of rape as a reproductive strategy by the logic of their views, but this is unexpectedly blatant.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:28:28pm

Just like a dictator to throw away or trade off a tool that is no more use. Trump can still get some mileage out of a show trial and death sentence, though, so it’s win/win for the head bad guys, a loss for the pipsqueak.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:28:41pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

In the unlikely event I get hassled by some asshole with a gun and badge over my immigration status and views on Trump, I hope I’ll have the courage to rise to the occasion as follows:

“Thank you for asking. Popular vote loser Trump is a witless fucking cocksplat who make me ashamed to be a US citizen. I can go on like this all day, so do you arrest me now or later?”

I’m guessing my county sheriff is not going to participate in this - although he is a Republican, he is also a Mexican immigrant.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:28:45pm

re: #24 Anymouse

No country “trades away spies?” What non-Cold War planet is Mr. Snowden living on? The Soviet Union and the United States traded spies all the time.

He’s an idiot. Someone on Twitter might want to inform him of that (we trade spies and he’s an idiot).

Umm… we can go more recent than that:

There’s the old Anna Chapman brouhaha, where Russian spies were caught and sent back to Russia.

Spies are sent back all the time. It’s what is gotten in return that often raises eyebrows. Russia has already tapped this nitwit for all he’s worth, so they have nothing to gain by keeping him around. They need that dacha for someone else.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:29:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:30:04pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Umm… we can go more recent than that:

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There’s the old Anna Chapman brouhaha, where Russian spies were caught and sent back to Russia.

Spies are sent back all the time. It’s what is gotten in return that often raises eyebrows. Russia has already tapped this nitwit for all he’s worth, so they have nothing to gain by keeping him around. They need that dacha for someone else.

Flynn, if he can get there ahead of the hanging party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:31:34pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:32:50pm

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:33:18pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:34:22pm

re: #63 Birth Control Works

That would be a bill he sponsored in 2013.

politicususa.com

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:35:01pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart

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That’s because Trump’s ethics don’t exist.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:35:08pm

surfing Pintrest

It will be over soon

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:36:39pm

re: #75 Birth Control Works

Trump is damn near a perfect synthesis of all human evil, and for his supporters that didn’t matter.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:37:13pm

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:38:18pm

re: #78 Romantic Heretic

That’s because Trump’s ethics don’t exist.

Nor do Republican ethics. After all, passage of an ethics referendum in South Dakota prompted the Republican-run state government to assume emergency powers to immediately nullify the voter-passed law.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:39:43pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:40:35pm

re: #20 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Bullshit really is their chosen strategy.

And sadly, it’s working pretty damn good. The press’s only tool is the truth…but what happens when enough people don’t care about the truth?

Lionel Hutz explains “The Truth”

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:41:08pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

Trump is damn near a perfect synthesis of all human evil, and for his supporters that didn’t matter.

For his supporters in areas that have wide varieties of news coverage.

In this area not so much on the “wide variety of news coverage.”

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:41:42pm

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Citizen K  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:42:24pm

re: #7 stpaulbear

It’s a drag that the WaPo’s reporting has been so good but their opinion writers are just freakin’ awful. It’s like the two sides don’t read each other.

It’s like pre-Murdoch Wall Street Journal. And the very mirror of the current NYT.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:42:44pm

re: #77 Anymouse

That would be a bill he sponsored in 2013.

politicususa.com

odds on him trying it again?

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:43:02pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:43:37pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

Trump is damn near a perfect synthesis of all human evil, and for his supporters that didn’t matter.

That’s because his supporters are inherently evil.

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weave  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:43:45pm

Local race alert…..

There’s a very important special election in Delaware on February 25th to Bethany Hall-Long who vacated a State Senate seat when she was elected as the Lt. Governor. She’s a Democrat and without her the state senate is now split 10-10 so this decides the majority.

The district is in an area that was once mostly farmland but is now a new bedroom community of thousands of new homes, so the residents are mostly middle class blue collar and office workers.

Unfortunately, special elections are not kind to Democratic candidates. Also this is being complicated by a spoiler candidate (of course) — a libertarian who is running on a legalize marijuana platform where both R and D are against it. So I know of a lot of young people who normally would vote D who are going to vote for the Libertarian. (they never learn).

Judging by the comment section on the local Gannett news article on this — I’m very nervous.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:44:07pm

It doesn’t seem to bother all these right wing patriots that their guy got the White House in no small part because of Russian activities.

It doesn’t seem to bother, let alone matter, to these self-styled patriots (who have no issue flying the flag of insurrection, but I digress) that their guy has in his employ all these people with ties to Russia, along with the guy who was caught on tape coordinating with the Russians and lying about it.

There’s a growing mountain of evidence about Flynn, which not only implicates him in major violations of federal law, but reinforces the fact that he was a bad apple for a long time (he was booted by Obama after all). That the WH isn’t taking action on this shows that they don’t care, or are oblivious to the true scope of what’s going on here.

The more denials and lies, the worse it gets for everyone, and that too includes Pence, who repeated lies to support Flynn.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:44:26pm

re: #87 Citizen K

It’s like pre-Murdoch Wall Street Journal. And the very mirror of the current NYT.

The NYT opinion columnists include the disgusting David Fucking Brooks.

If Trump were to nuke San Francisco, Brooks would find a way to blame it on those awful liberals.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:44:27pm

re: #81 Birth Control Works

You really think that would bother GOP voters?

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:45:57pm

Happy Friday everyone! We made it thru another week of the Yam.

Haven’t been posting much because my left hand is still all kinds of fucked up, and one-hand typing sucks. Still lurking tho.

Question - I don’t have a twitter account, but I do follow some via bookmarking. Noticed the last few days only 20 tweets are viewable at a time on any one person’s account and new tweets don’t autoload…I have to reload the page. Wondering if this is something new for non account holders, or something else going on my end.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:46:52pm

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Citizen K  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:49:57pm

re: #93 EPR-radar

The NYT opinion columnists include the disgusting David Fucking Brooks.

If Trump were to nuke San Francisco, Brooks would find a way to blame it on those awful liberals.

Yes, sadly. But the numbers are still more in favor of the Krugmans and the Blows in the Times opinion room. meanwhile, you have Thiessen, Hewitt, Richard Cohen, et. al at the WaPo.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:51:03pm

re: #79 Birth Control Workst

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surfing Pintrest

It will be over soon

A fellow lizard. I spent more time on Pinterest than anywhere else after the election. Do you have any boards?

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:51:07pm

re: #81 Birth Control Works

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Keep in mind that Donald Trump’s alt-right fans either

(a) deny that this ever occurred and/or
(b) are disappointed that Hitler didn’t get to finish what he started.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:51:37pm

re: #88 Birth Control Works

odds on him trying it again?

and he hasn’t changed his mind about it either.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:53:00pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Also, Snowden doesn’t need to be a spy for Russia to leverage him in a negotiation with the US.

Spy trades are explicit transactions. Handing over a criminal for [unstated goodwill], an implicit transaction, can also happen.

But, as I said, the man is a numpty, and his argument is basically the Chewbacca Defense, without self-awareness.

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:53:06pm

Meanwhile, over at Patheos…
Daubenmire: Sessions Will Expose the Pizzagate Conspiracies

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steve_davis  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:55:37pm

re: #8 Jebediah, RBG

“Curry favor” with trump? He’s already their bitch!

(Snowden sees Putin frantically trying to wave him down, as the plane taxis on its way to Washington).
“Ed! It doesn’t say ‘curry favor.’ It says ‘curry-flavored.’ It’s a cookbook!”

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:56:19pm

re: #99 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Keep in mind that Donald Trump’s alt-right fans either

(a) deny that this ever occurred and/or
(b) are disappointed that Hitler didn’t get to finish what he started.

Sometimes they will claim both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:56:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:57:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:57:52pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:58:26pm

Sure, why the fuck not.

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teleskiguy  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:58:48pm

Just gonna save this in my LGF Image Library.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 4:58:59pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:00:41pm

re: #108 gocart mozart

Sure, why the fuck not.

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Life comes at you fast.

Now, what woman that Trump hates can do a good Jeffrey Lord?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:00:55pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:04:18pm

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A fellow lizard. I spent more time on Pinterest than anywhere else after the election. Do you have any boards?

Tons. My favorite is “Someone Was Thinking Again.”

my pintrest[/private]

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:04:33pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve seen up to 160 people were arrested by DHS in these raids. They claim that nearly all of them were people with criminal warrants out for them.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:05:07pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

“…The camera lingers on Spiering, as if asking the viewer to dwell in his nervous moment. The two are barely audible, but even if you turn your speakers up to full blast they’re drowned out by the room sound, an ominous drone presumably created by the large vat of fuchsia liquid in which Steve Bannon is lowered, fully nude, each night.

Lo(retch)L

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:05:46pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:06:07pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:06:20pm

re: #114 lawhawk

I’ve seen up to 160 people were arrested by DHS in these raids. They claim that nearly all of them were people with criminal warrants out for them.

I’ve seen reports of more than 200, and not all had criminal warrants.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:08:50pm

re: #113 Birth Control Works

That got messed up. Let me try. I trust lizards with this.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:09:12pm

On Trump and Bannon, a reminder of what the Office of Strategic Services said in a profile of Adolph Hitler:

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:09:27pm

So, there was a kerfuffle at MSG the other night involving former Knick great Charles Oakley. He was tossed from the arena after getting into a shoving match with several people. Dolan, who owns the team, has banned Oakley from the Garden. A security guy was also fired; Oakley also faces 3 charges of assault.

That doesn’t sit well with Knick fans, who know the wrong guy has been banned from the Garden. They would much rather that the Dolans be tossed than one of the guys who nearly got the Knicks a title way back when (when the Knicks were actually watchable).

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:09:58pm

re: #114 lawhawk

I’ve seen up to 160 people were arrested by DHS in these raids. They claim that nearly all of them were people with criminal warrants out for them.

Which means none of them are. You think I’d trust anything that comes out of their mouths?

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:11:17pm

re: #120 Sherlock Hound

That got messed up. Let me try. I trust lizards with this.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:15:11pm

re: #121 Anymouse

On Trump and Bannon, a reminder of what the Office of Strategic Services said in a profile of Adolph Hitler:

And they’d have gotten away with it if it weren’t for that pesky 101st Airborne and those darned B17s.

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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:15:49pm

Rules to live by.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:16:30pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:20:56pm

A little Charles Pierce and another state to never set foot in.

Missouri became a right to work state this week, which means that the workers there are now enjoying the freedom that comes with absolute powerlessness. So, naturally, it was time for that state’s legislature to get around to the state’s consumers next. From STLToday:

Swearingen sued under the Missouri Merchandising Practices Act, a half-century-old law that prohibits deceptive and unfair practices in business. That law now faces a likely defanging at the hands of the Missouri Legislature. A Senate committee approved a bill with big changes, and it is now awaiting a vote of the Senate. “It’s looking like it’s going to sail right through,” said Cara Spencer, executive director of the Consumers Council of Missouri and a St. Louis alderman. The bill is sponsored by Sen. Ron Richard, R-Joplin, the speaker pro tem of the Senate. The change would exempt auto dealers, payday and title lenders, finance companies, cable and phone companies and a host of other businesses from being sued for violating the act.

Because those are almost precisely the businesses least likely to engage in shady or otherwise hinky dealings with their customers—especially those payday lenders, who are God’s representatives to the finance industry.

esquire.com

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steve_davis  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:22:01pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

In the unlikely event I get hassled by some asshole with a gun and badge over my immigration status and views on Trump, I hope I’ll have the courage to rise to the occasion as follows:

“Thank you for asking. Popular vote loser Trump is a witless fucking cocksplat who makes me ashamed to be a US citizen. I can go on like this all day, so do you arrest me now or later?”

I would take the approach of the guy who had the local law enforcement folks asking him at a checkpoint if he was a U.S. citizen. “Are you border patrol? Are you a federal agent? no? Then fuck off.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:23:36pm

I dunno. The lunar eclipse should be going on rightnow and all I see is a full moon.

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teleskiguy  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:25:22pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

I dunno. The lunar eclipse should be going on rightnow and all I see is a full moon.

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teleskiguy  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:26:10pm
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compound_Idaho  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:26:23pm

snopes.com

Still no response from the local chapter. We all know why that is. I’m filing this under the heading of fake news “Sessions receives honor from NAACP”. If it were fake , they would have a lengthy detailed response. It takes time to come up with a cover story and cover all your bases”. If they come up with a story now, it is BS.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:27:05pm

Where the eclipse is visible, and at what time:

timeanddate.com

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:27:44pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:28:13pm
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mmmirele  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:28:14pm

And again, Teen Vogue does hard-hitting reporting, getting an interview with Jackie Rayos-Garcia, whose mother was detained and deported two days ago. Jackie is 14 and lives here in Mesa.

teenvogue.com

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:29:19pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

We all know why that is.

This is a fatuous assumption of agreement with your own imaginings.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:29:32pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

snopes.com

Still no response from the local chapter. We all know why that is. I’m filing this under the heading of fake news “Sessions receives honor from NAACP”. If it were fake , they would have a lengthy detailed response. It takes time to come up with a cover story and cover all your bases”. If they come up with a story now, it is BS.

They have a lengthy response.

From that response:

However, the above-displayed award has some curious aspects to it. For instance, we found no record of anyone else’s having received an “NAACP Governmental Award of Excellence,” nor were we able to locate any reports (from 2009 or otherwise) regarding the NAACP’s honoring Sessions with such an award.

When we reached out to the NAACP for more information about the award, a staffer confirmed to us that the national NAACP office does not give out an award by that name as part of their regular honors.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:30:51pm

re: #117 Birth Control Works

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unproven innocence  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:35:17pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

I dunno. The lunar eclipse should be going on rightnow and all I see is a full moon.

It is what is called a penumbral eclipse —just partial darkening. Luna does not pass any part of the darkest part of Earth’s shadow this time.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:35:38pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:35:42pm

Posted one hour ago:

Mobile County NAACP Leader: Sessions Award Bogus

Note the picture of the plaque only surfaced Wednesday (on Town Hall, a noted font of news excellence)

Lizzetta McConnell, who took over as president of the branch in January, spoke on Friday afternoon in response to the emergence of the plaque on Wednesday, the same day the U.S. Senate confirmed Sessions as the country’s attorney general. The plaque reportedly was found by an aide who was cleaning out Sessions’ Mobile office. The inscription it reads: “NAACP Civic And Human Rights Convention / April 23rd-26th, 2009, Mobile / Alabama NAACP Governmental Award of Excellence / Senator Jeff Sessions / For The Outstanding Work You Do.”

A formal statement issued by the state-level NAACP said that the “Alabama State Conference of the NAACP has learned of a plaque that is in Senator Sessions possession that indicated it was given to him by the NAACP for Governmental Award of Excellence in April 2009. President Benard Simelton, who has been President of the Alabama State Conference since October 2009 stated that he was not aware of this award being presented to the Senator or any of his staff. Simelton was present at the convention during the time this award would have been presented according to the date on the award.”

McConnell said that in researching the dates in questions, NAACP members have found no evidence that an award to Sessions was part of the convention program. She said that a number of members who were present have been contacted, and none could recall such an award being presented.

More at the the link above

See also townhall.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:37:51pm

re: #142 jaunte

And they are scared, all the time. They live in constant fear.

Hey! Turns out they DO have something in common with Trump voters!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:38:41pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:38:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:39:25pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:39:34pm

re: #143 Anymouse

The plaque reportedly was found by an aide who was cleaning out Sessions’ Mobile office.

Has anyone identified the “reporter” or the aide?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:40:01pm

re: #138 jaunte

This is a fatuous assumption of agreement with your own imaginings.

It was a BS story last night and it’s still BS tonight.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:40:15pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

snopes.com

Still no response from the local chapter. We all know why that is. I’m filing this under the heading of fake news “Sessions receives honor from NAACP”. If it were fake , they would have a lengthy detailed response. It takes time to come up with a cover story and cover all your bases”. If they come up with a story now, it is BS.

As always, it’s an argument from authority. Even in the unlikely event that some local chapter of the NAACP was deluded enough to give Sessions an award, that changes nothing about Sessions.

Sessions is a racist confederate piece of shit who is now defiling the office of US attorney general.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:42:39pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

As always, it’s an argument from authority. Even in the unlikely event that some local chapter of the NAACP was deluded enough to give Sessions an award, that changes nothing about Sessions.

Sessions is a racist confederate piece of shit who is now defiling the office of US attorney general.

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majii  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:43:03pm

re: #146 Kragar

Spicer said the other day that there’s nothing that can be done about Trump’s conflicts of interest. I recall Conway saying the same thing a few days before Spicer. We have definitely entered the era of no accountability for presidents, beginning with the current tool.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:43:20pm

re: #148 jaunte

Has anyone identified the “reporter” or the aide?

hahahahahahahaa….
(wipes eyes)

LOLOLOLOL

no. not a chance.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:44:02pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

snopes.com

Still no response from the local chapter. We all know why that is. I’m filing this under the heading of fake news “Sessions receives honor from NAACP”. If it were fake , they would have a lengthy detailed response. It takes time to come up with a cover story and cover all your bases”. If they come up with a story now, it is BS.

I have E-mailed Snopes with the update from the Alabama NAACP an hour ago refuting Sessions receiving the award.

It does appear to be fake news: From Town Hall.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:45:49pm

re: #122 lawhawk

So, there was a kerfuffle at MSG the other night involving former Knick great Charles Oakley. He was tossed from the arena after getting into a shoving match with several people. Dolan, who owns the team, has banned Oakley from the Garden. A security guy was also fired; Oakley also faces 3 charges of assault.

That doesn’t sit well with Knick fans, who know the wrong guy has been banned from the Garden. They would much rather that the Dolans be tossed than one of the guys who nearly got the Knicks a title way back when (when the Knicks were actually watchable).

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:46:32pm

A valid point TBH

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:46:39pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

here’s what I’m seeing just a few minutes ago:

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Kewl photograph. I just looked up at the sky here, and see overcast.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:46:42pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:48:27pm

re: #154 Anymouse

I have E-mailed Snopes with the update from the Alabama NAACP an hour ago refuting Sessions receiving the award.

It does appear to be fake news: From Town Hall.

There’s your problem. Townhall, HotAir, Twitchy, RedState… all part of the same fake news cartel run by Salem Communications.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:48:36pm

re: #154 Anymouse

I have E-mailed Snopes with the update from the Alabama NAACP an hour ago refuting Sessions receiving the award.

It does appear to be fake news: From Town Hall.

I posted a link from NAACP the first time this crap got posted. The award is fake, fake, fake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:50:04pm

re: #157 Anymouse

Kewl photograph. I just looked up at the sky here, and see overcast.

I’ve had this camera for years. Tonight I just figgered out how to take a decent picture of the moon.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:51:02pm
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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:51:04pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had this camera for years. Tonight I just figgered out how to take a decent picture of the moon.

I’m still trying to figure out where the moon is. Presumably up, somewhere. /s

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:52:11pm

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Birth Control Works  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:53:31pm

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:54:40pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

That sounds like a lot of water: How fast can the folk around Lake Tahoe use that much water, and how much can evaporate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:55:08pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

Can’t wait to see him tweet pics with Prime Minister Justin.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:55:27pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

There’s that fake/forced/phony smile again.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:56:56pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

snopes.com

Still no response from the local chapter. We all know why that is. I’m filing this under the heading of fake news “Sessions receives honor from NAACP”. If it were fake , they would have a lengthy detailed response. It takes time to come up with a cover story and cover all your bases”. If they come up with a story now, it is BS.

It’s a fake, dude. It’s pretty obvious why you’re pushing it so hard, though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 5:58:18pm

re: #167 Anymouse

That sounds like a lot of water: How fast can the folk around Lake Tahoe use that much water, and how much can evaporate.

That’ll raise the water level about 3”.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:00:30pm

re: #148 jaunte

Has anyone identified the “reporter” or the aide?

Don’t know—but guess who brought it up in the Senate:

But Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who has been one of Sessions’ most loyal defenders, took to the floor Tuesday afternoon with a surprise: One of the attorney general nominee’s fiercest opponents during his confirmation fight - the NAACP - once gave Sessions its “Governmental Award of Excellence.”

and was tweeting his little heart out about it:

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:00:55pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

Child, just flounce already and be done with it.

No one cares about you here any more so it doesn’t matter.

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mmmirele  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:01:14pm

re: #159 Myron Falwell

There’s your problem. Townhall, HotAir, Twitchy, RedState… all part of the same fake news cartel run by Salem Communications.

Which started out as a Christian broadcasting company, but has since melded its “Christianity” with right-wing politics. *scowl*

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:01:25pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

It’s a fake, dude. It’s pretty obvious why you’re pushing it so hard, though.

RWNJs are all about the projection and constantly blather about Soros paying an army of minions for protests and online commentary.

Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that rich RWNJs are bankrolling RWNJ protests and online commentary.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:02:04pm

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

That’ll raise the water level about 3”.

I’m guessing the rain is not going to make it here: The NWS calls for a 10% chance of snow tonight, a 20% chance in the morning, then clearing and a high of 53.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:02:25pm

re: #173 William Lewis

Child, just flounce already and be done with it.

No one cares about you here any more so it doesn’t matter.

RWNJ overlords probably pay more for ongoing trolling than for a flounce.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:02:45pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t wait to see him tweet pics with Prime Minister Justin.

posted this earlier today:

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mmmirele  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:03:06pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

It’s a fake, dude. It’s pretty obvious why you’re pushing it so hard, though.

Reminds me of all those “keys to the city” and “proclamations” that followers of Scientology like to get to burnish the reputation of the thoroughly disreputable L. Ron Hubbard. Except in those cases, the awards are real, just given out by clueless governments. This one…fake.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:03:39pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:04:00pm

re: #122 lawhawk

Not a NBA fan these days, but the owner of the Knicks is a real piece of work. This article from the NYP is actually pretty good, with another video of the strong arm BS. If I was Oak, I’d sue their asses but good.

Charles Oakley isn’t the only one James Dolan is furious with

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:04:37pm

re: #174 mmmirele

Which started out as a Christian broadcasting company, but has since melded its “Christianity” with right-wing politics. *scowl*

I have not yet run into a Christian radio station that didn’t do that.

Perhaps that’s why there aren’t many atheists in the Republican Party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:04:58pm

re: #176 Anymouse

I’m guessing the rain is not going to make it here: The NWS calls for a 10% chance of snow tonight, a 20% chance in the morning, then clearing and a high of 53.

the first year I lived here, I went skiing in Tahoe. Up at the top of the mountain, you could look both ways, toward California or Nevada. California - once you got past the white - was green. Nevada was brown. And this was during an EPIC El Nino year, when you might have thought the moisture would make it through. Nothing like a range of high mountains to wring all the water out of the atmosphere!

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:05:52pm

re: #133 compound_Idaho

By the way, the down ding is for the lie. Tolerating liars is part of how we got into this mess, so I won’t do it any more where I’m not forced to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:06:36pm

re: #180 BeachDem

And you just know that at some point, the yam said something like, “Oh Abe—just like our former president Lincoln.”

I’m still shaking my head over him pretending to understand Japanese earlier today and then, at the very last moment, pretended to have an earpiece for translations (there was no earpiece) after he asked Abe what a Japanese photographer said. Abe said “Look at me” and trump looked at Abe instead of the photographer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:08:21pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

By the way, the down ding is for the lie. Tolerating liars is part of how we got into this mess, so I won’t do it any more where I’m not forced to.

It’s amazing how far my tolerance for the usual bullshit has fallen since November. I’m pretty much at this stage now…

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:08:29pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still shaking my head over him pretending to understand Japanese earlier today and then, at the very last moment, pretended to have an earpiece for translations (there was no earpiece) when he asked Abe what a Japanese photographer said. Abe said “Look at me” and trump looked at Abe instead of the photographer.

SNL might have to run a 3-hour special edition this week, to allow enough time to capture all the idiocy.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:10:42pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

the first year I lived here, I went skiing in Tahoe. Up at the top of the mountain, you could look both ways, toward California or Nevada. California - once you got past the white - was green. Nevada was brown. And this was during an EPIC El Nino year, when you might have thought the moisture would make it through. Nothing like a range of high mountains to wring all the water out of the atmosphere!

The laws of nature really do work. For example, no denial or Congressional circus act will change the basic facts that carbon dioxide is a significant factor in global temperatures, and human industrialization has dramatically increased the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide.

It’s a damn shame there’s no way to ensure that the consequences fall exclusively on the deniers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:12:18pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

The laws of nature really do work. For example, no denial or Congressional circus act will change the basic facts that carbon dioxide is a significant factor in global temperatures, and human industrialization has dramatically increased the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide.

It’s a damn shame there’s no way to ensure that the consequences fall exclusively on the deniers.

PV=nRT. It’s not just a good idea. It’s the law.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:12:41pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still shaking my head over him pretending to understand Japanese earlier today and then, at the very last moment, pretended to have an earpiece for translations (there was no earpiece) when he asked Abe what a Japanese photographer said. Abe said “Look at me” and trump looked at Abe instead of the photographer.

I imagined him having an earpiece and hearing; “Steve Bannon here Don. Listen. We forgot to hire a translator or we fired him or whatever. Just nod. Now. Yes. Like that. Again. Look like you are happy. Good. Nod. Ok. Pause. Pause. Great work Donnie. Ok, nod again and look around……..”

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:15:37pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s amazing how far my tolerance for the usual bullshit has fallen since November. I’m pretty much at this stage now…

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I have no problem holding forth with a conservative or libertarian on issues of the day. I find those sorts of discussions informative (hopefully for all of us).

I have no tolerance for lying. If you have to lie to support your claim, then your claim is worthless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:17:29pm

re: #192 Anymouse

I have no problem holding forth with a conservative or libertarian on issues of the day. I find those sorts of discussions informative (hopefully for all of us).

I have no tolerance for lying. If you have to lie to support your claim, then your claim is worthless.

For me, it’s the denial of evidence - indeed the denial of the importance of evidence to knowing what is and isn’t true.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:21:05pm

re: #192 Anymouse

I have no problem holding forth with a conservative or libertarian on issues of the day. I find those sorts of discussions informative (hopefully for all of us).

I have no tolerance for lying. If you have to lie to support your claim, then your claim is worthless.

That’s a heavy handicap for conservatives. There may not be any basic tenet of modern US conservatism that is not essentially dishonest. I certainly can’t think of any.

Support for tax cuts relies on denial of their real-world effect.

Support for total deregulation relies on denial of its real work effect.

Support for suppressing ‘voter fraud’ relies on denial of what it is.

Support for creationism in the schools relies on lying about both science and religion.

US conservatism truly is an empire of lies.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:21:20pm

re: #179 mmmirele

Reminds me of all those “keys to the city” and “proclamations” that followers of Scientology like to get to burnish the reputation of the thoroughly disreputable L. Ron Hubbard. Except in those cases, the awards are real, just given out by clueless governments. This one…fake.

One more piece of evidence that this award never happened - I checked Senator Sessions’ press releases from 2009, from when this award was supposed to have happened. Not a single mention that he attended the NAACP convention, and definiteley no mention of any award being received - a rather odd situation since there are other mentions of his being honored strewn throughout those releases.

See for yourself:

web.archive.org

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:21:38pm

re: #181 nines09

Not a NBA fan these days, but the owner of the Knicks is a real piece of work. This article from the NYP is actually pretty good, with another video of the strong arm BS. If I was Oak, I’d sue their asses but good.

Charles Oakley isn’t the only one James Dolan is furious with

Oak was on Stephen A. Smith’s show yesterday but I missed it. But the incident is the topic of sports radio, Dolan’s taking flak, Jackson’s tweeting Zen homilies and Carmelo announced that he’s going to keep the no-trade clause and wait Jackson out. Not a good time to be a fan, the franchise is a mess.

But I’ve heard stories from long before Wednesday night that Oakley could be angry and abusive in public, and that makes the reports that MSG released seem believable.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:21:39pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

For me, it’s the denial of evidence - indeed the denial of the importance of evidence to knowing what is and isn’t true.

Well, not knowing a piece of evidence is one thing. (For example, Carbon 12 v Carbon 14 in the atmosphere - fossil fuels have no Carbon 14 because it all decayed by the time we discovered how to extract those fuels. Thus, the measurements of carbon in the atmosphere show a decreasing amount of Carbon 14 as the years of measurements roll on.)

After being presented with irrefutable evidence (such as Carbon 14 v Carbon 12, or the overwhelming evidence for evolution by natural selection, or tax cuts on the wealthy do not spur growth - see Kansas), a person is only left with:
a) Acceptance. Great! Learn something new every day.
b) Denial: Too bad the person doesn’t wish to learn
c) Lying: Knowing what is true about those things and misrepresenting or denying them.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:23:59pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

For me, it’s the denial of evidence - indeed the denial of the importance of evidence to knowing what is and isn’t true.

For me, denial of evidence is the same as lying.

There’s an interesting concept in some parts of the law where someone who makes statements with reckless disregard for whether they are true or false can be charged with deliberately lying. In other words, bullshitting is legally treated as lying.

Application of that idea to US politics would lay waste to the Republican party.

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nines09  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:25:37pm

I don’t practice Santeria, got no crystal ball, but I’ll buy a bag of Cheetos, and I’ll STICK THEM ALL…..

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:27:50pm

Aside from the fact that the yam was blowing it out his asshole with his “thousands of people were bused into NH from Massachusetts” story, I would also like to know what value one-term senator, “Where’s the girl” Kelly Ayotte offers as a “Capitol Hill Liaison” for Gorsuch?

And are “we the people” paying her fucking salary?

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Trump says—about 16 hrs after WaPo broke the Flynn-Russia news—he hasn’t seen anything about it: “What report is that? I haven’t seen that.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:32:18pm

re: #198 Anymouse

Well, not knowing a piece of evidence is one thing. (For example, Carbon 12 v Carbon 14 in the atmosphere - fossil fuels have no Carbon 14 because it all decayed by the time we discovered how to extract those fuels. Thus, the measurements of carbon in the atmosphere show a decreasing amount of Carbon 14 as the years of measurements roll on.)

After being presented with irrefutable evidence (such as Carbon 14 v Carbon 12, or the overwhelming evidence for evolution by natural selection, or tax cuts on the wealthy do not spur growth - see Kansas), a person is only left with:
a) Acceptance. Great! Learn something new every day.
b) Denial: Too bad the person doesn’t wish to learn
c) Lying: Knowing what is true about those things and misrepresenting or denying them.

Interestingly, I got into an online debate with a friend of mine about this. He’s very rational about pretty much everything else, but completely denialist about AGW. What I found was that being very bright and rational, added to unwillingness to accept the evidence, made him into an amazing rationalizer. His response to ‘we add X gigatonnes of Carbon to the atmosphere every year, and total atmospheric Carbon goes up by about 1/3X’ meant that I hadn’t proved we were doing it.

When I pressed him with the observation that if we WEREN’T adding it, the atmospheric Carbon would be going DOWN by 2/3X every year, he said, “You can’t prove that!”

Oh, and of course, he was a big fan of Anthony Watts.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:32:28pm

re: #136 Skip Intro

It’ll be a whole lot tougher to do this with it being telegraphed.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:38:34pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A man who is so obsessed about cable news coverage that he constantly tweets about it hasn’t seen a single story about Flynn?

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:38:36pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

For me, denial of evidence is the same as lying.

There’s an interesting concept in some parts of the law where someone who makes statements with reckless disregard for whether they are true or false can be charged with deliberately lying. In other words, bullshitting is legally treated as lying.

Application of that idea to US politics would lay waste to the Republican party.

Well, lying to yourself only hurts you.

It’s when denial moves into the realm of convincing others that your denial is true that I take issue with it.

My go-to is religious views: I do not hold any of them to be true. That said, if another person does, have at it, Hoss.

It is when that person tries to write their religious views into law that I have a problem with it.

Climate science is the same. I am not an expert in climate science (or any science); for that I defer to experts. I would no more tell a climate scientist I know better than she or he does than I would a cardiologist.

It wasn’t long ago that Americans regardless of political position relied on science to inform political decisions. Now it would appear science (or any expertise at all) is a political position and subject to opinion.

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:39:02pm

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Great. Trump gets an officially sanctioned investigation, which he’ll classify top secret.

In the name of national security, of course.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:40:52pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

Can you actually get to fascism if people refuse to play along?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:41:07pm

Solo protester interrupts U.S. Rep. Brad Wenstrup at a ticketed luncheon for the chamber of commerce in Cincinnati:

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:43:17pm

re: #210 Belafon

Can you actually get to fascism if people refuse to play along?

Probably not. On the other hand, you could get a brutal crackdown on the populace and a dictatorship if enough people with guns (military, police, wingnuts) supported it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:43:17pm

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Today’s raids are a good example of that. He expected the sanctuary city governments to either cower before his threats to cut their funds or to be cowed by their voters into bending a knee to him. But he’s received the exact opposite results, with sanctuary cities flipping him the bird while other cities have joined their ranks. Since he won’t allow what he feels is his unlimited and unquestionable authority to be disrespected, he’s proceeding to the second step: Rule through terror.

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:44:47pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

You don’t let your dentist do your electrical work? If you let your electrician do your dental work, he could wire your fillings as an AM antenna. //s

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:46:00pm

re: #212 Anymouse

Probably not. On the other hand, you could get a brutal crackdown on the populace and a dictatorship if enough people with guns (military, police, wingnuts) supported it.

Agree. We’d end up looking like India under British rule or, more closely, the South in the 50s.

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calochortus  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:46:22pm

It’s weird, I’ve checked FR a couple times and there is still no mention of the Flynn story that I can find (though their search function is pretty poor.) I wonder why?
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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:49:32pm

re: #217 calochortus

It’s weird, I’ve checked FR a couple times and there is still no mention of the Flynn story that I can find (though their search function is pretty poor.) I wonder why?
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Because 90% of propaganda is choosing what to talk about and what not to talk about. Competent propagandists can stick to telling only the truth (although not the whole truth) and accomplish their goals.

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unproven innocence  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:51:58pm

Daughter informed me this evening that in Charlotte NC, they were conducting searches in poor areas of the city.

“First they came for the poor, and I said…
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. CRAP! I’m poor.”

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:53:20pm

re: #221 unproven innocence

Daughter informed me this evening that in Charlotte NC, they were conducting searches in poor areas of the city.

“First they came for the poor, and I said…
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. CRAP! I’m poor.”

Come to the Nebraska Panhandle. I’m sure I can find a place around my house somewhere for you (and I am poor too). We can be poor together. That either makes us twice as poor, or twice as rich, I’m not sure. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:53:35pm
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Haha. After flying home, McConnell refused to go through the terminal so he could avoid protesters, while Yarmuth walked through to cheers.

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calochortus  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:56:16pm

re: #220 EPR-radar

Because 90% of propaganda is choosing what to talk about and what not to talk about. Competent propagandists can stick to telling only the truth (although not the whole truth) and accomplish their goals.

Yeah, though sometimes they can’t avoid topics they don’t like. I did read some comments on a FR thread about Trump reassuring Xi that we’d stick to the One China policy. First it was “fake news,” then someone pointed out it was a White House press release, so they were disappointed in Trump briefly. Fortunately by about reply #42 they had realized this was part of some incredibly clever (but unspecified) plan on Trump’s part.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:57:11pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

Not so finally: irrefutable evidence that Snowden is a naive fool who got in way over his head. Spies often get burned by their spymasters. It’s a basic hazard of the profession.

He does have a point. You don’t publicly burn your assets.

If he was actively cooperating, they would still hope he had other info to give and continue debriefing.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:58:38pm

re: #210 Belafon

Can you actually get to fascism if people refuse to play along?

Depends how many people.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2017 • 6:59:48pm

re: #226 calochortus

Yeah, though sometimes they can’t avoid topics they don’t like. I did read some comments on a FR thread about Trump reassuring Xi that we’d stick to the One China policy. First it was “fake news,” then someone pointed out it was a White House press release, so they were disappointed in Trump briefly. Fortunately by about reply #42 they had realized this was part of some incredibly clever (but unspecified) plan on Trump’s part.

Meanwhile in reality, sensible people are well aware that POTUS Fuckface von Clownstick is the most malignant and dangerous idiot we’ve ever had in the white house. Jackson may have been a worse president, depending on how that is defined, but Jackson didn’t have nukes and the US at that time wasn’t a major international player.

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A man who pulled out a gun at a Don’t Shoot Portland march and pointed it at a crowd of protesters in downtown Portland was found guilty Friday of 21 felony and misdemeanor crimes.

Multnomah County Circuit Judge Thomas Ryan found Michael Aaron Strickland, 37, guilty of 10 counts of unlawful use of a weapon, 10 counts of menacing and one count of second-degree disorderly conduct for pointing his Glock semi-automatic handgun at 10 protesters.

The judge said Strickland didn’t have a reasonable fear that he was in imminent danger of getting hurt.

Strickland had claimed self-defense during the weeklong trial. He contended some protesters and anarchists wearing masks and carrying flagpoles had called him a racist, told him to leave, aggressively advanced toward him and pushed him. Some of the confrontation was caught on video — including Strickland’s video.

heh…SMOTI junior…

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:04:49pm

. duplicate .

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teleskiguy  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:05:34pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

Convicted felon. Good. Now he can’t own guns.

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stpaulbear  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:08:01pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

Convicted felon. Good. Now he can’t own guns.

I’m sure his sense of white privilege won’t be a problem for him in prison at all.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:08:05pm

re: #236 Anymouse

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:12:42pm

asshole alert!

WATCH: Sec. Betsy DeVos physically blocked by protesters from entering DC school—turned away and left.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:14:05pm

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:17:47pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

asshole alert!

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Anymouse  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:20:04pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

Should tweet that @jack

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:22:00pm

Really? Piers Fucking Morgan is on Real Time.

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Teukka  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:26:35pm

Al-J journo is not mincing words…
Trump’s desperate search for a ‘Reichstag Fire’

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:32:02pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They really don’t have a clue.

And leading the clueless contingent is Nikki—the most clueless of them all. (I was just looking at her wiki and wow, lots of fiction there.

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ckkatz  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:36:52pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

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Interesting, DHS policy was to avoid enforcement actions in “sensitive locations” such as at school bus stops when children are present. Have they changed policy, or are they simply ignoring it?

Sensitive Locations FAQs

What does the Department of Homeland Security mean by the term “sensitive location”?

Locations covered by these policies would include, but not be limited to:

Schools, such as known and licensed daycares, pre-schools and other early learning programs; primary schools; secondary schools; post-secondary schools up to and including colleges and universities; as well as scholastic or education-related activities or events, and school bus stops that are marked and/or known to the officer, during periods when school children are present at the stop;

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Honey Punch!  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:38:04pm

re: #254 Scottish Dragon

Linda Tirado @KillerMartinis
We are calling this fascism. It was potential fascism, maybe fascism, moving towards fascism.

It’s fascism.

Y’know who i haven’t seen cited recently?
Mike Godwin.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2017 • 7:38:46pm

re: #249 Scottish Dragon

Really? Piers Fucking Morgan is on Real Time.

I was considering watching it until I saw that—and the TV guide writeup called him a “journalist” of all things.
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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2017 • 8:25:51pm

What I don’t understand is Keith saying that it will take weeks to deport an undocumented immigrant, and that woman (who came as a child, and was here over 20 years, and has minor children and a husband) was taken into custody two days ago and is in Mexico. Bang. What happened to the law there?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 10, 2017 • 8:36:36pm

re: #216 Belafon

Agree. We’d end up looking like India under British rule or, more closely, the South in the 50s.

Or 1790s France or 1990 Romania.

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John Hughes  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:57:18am

re: #196 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Assuming it isn’t a photoshop (there appear to be multiple photos) and assuming that the story of it being found was true then why was it made? I’d guess some stupid joke present for Sessions from a racist pal of his.

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John Hughes  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:04:31am

re: #216 Belafon

We’d end up looking like India under British rule

So, just government, railroads…

Oh, fuck, who am I kidding, I mean: massacres, famine, restraint of trade to enrich government monopolies…

(I’m a Brit, I often get into arguments with fellow Brits who think the Empire was a jolly good thing).

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:20:44am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Love that website! Thank you!!


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