Feel-Good Video Clip of the Day: Florida GOP Official Booed After Moronic ‘Death Panel’ Comment

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At a healthcare reform town hall meeting in New Port Richey, Florida, Republican official Bill Akins tries to foist off the creaky old “death panel” lie yet again, on an audience of senior citizens — and the crowd erupts in boos and jeers. Then this mendacious white-haired clown proceeds to call them “children” over and over.

It’s a hopeful sign that people are getting completely fed up with Republican lies.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

Guy seriously looks and sounds like a fundy preacher, or a snake oil salesman (assuming any difference).

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:13:57pm

This man’s shirt is excellent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:14:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:17:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:18:08pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:20:49pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Encinitas wasn’t shabby either! !!!

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scottslemmons  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:21:09pm

“Children, children!” He’s lucky he got out of there without catching some old lady’s fist upside his head.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:21:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:22:43pm

Wow.
That just hurt my brain. Like a red hot railroad spike being driven deep into my skull

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:24:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:27:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:27:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:31:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:32:00pm
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Jay C  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:32:47pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s kinda hard to really credit Jason Chaffetz’s comments - even if he weren’t just a general putz - according to easily-accessible date, Utah’s Third Congressional District (as I pointed out in the last thread) is rated as R+25, gave Trump a solid plurality in the last elections, and re-elected Rep. Chaffetz by nearly a 3-1 margin. Hardly a hotbed of Democrats, I’d guess: maybe he ought to give a little thought as to why folks are pissed at the Trump Admin., Congress in general, and him in particular?*

*Here’s a hint, Jason: it ain’t for the pay…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:35:32pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:37:11pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:38:38pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Calhoun is also the namesake of Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis, which has also become controversial as of late. Reverting it to its original Native American name has been proposed, but Lake Hopper wouldn’t be bad, either…

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:40:23pm

re: #10 FormerDirtDart

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If and when I join a protest march, my sign will include “Yes, I have a real job, and no, I’m not being paid for this”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:42:34pm

Passages de réfugiés au Québec du Moyen-Orient venant des USA: une jeune famille syrienne accueillie à -23C par @grcqc sous nos yeux #rcmtl

Passages of refugees in Quebec in the Middle East from the USA: a young Syrian family welcome to-23 c by @grcqc under our eyes #rcmtl

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:43:22pm

re: #18 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Calhoun is also the namesake of Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis, which has also become controversial as of late. Reverting it to its original Native American name has been proposed, but Lake Hopper wouldn’t be bad, either…

Smoothest renaming ever:

The county was originally named after William Rufus King who was Vice President when the Washington Territory was created in 1853. In 1986, a motion was introduced to change the namesake to Martin Luther King Jr.[3] No public votes or hearings were taken on the change.[4]

On February 24, 1986, the King County Council passed Council Motion 6461 five votes to four setting forth the historical basis for the renaming of King County in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr.[5] Because only the state can charter counties, this change was not made official until April 19, 2005, when the Governor signed Senate Bill 5332 into law.

The County Council submitted a vote to the public on February 27, 2006 to change the county’s logo from a royal crown to an image of King.[6] On March 12, 2007, the new logo was unveiled.[7]

That’s the county Seattle is in.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:43:33pm

Yes, the new one is we’re being bused in or paid.

These Republican politicians don’t understand we were always here. They’ve lived in a secure bubble in districts that were safely Republican. They cannot process it.

Thing is, I’m not sure how many of US in Republican areas knew we were here. We’ve all found each other now. I have been so thrilled to see all of us.

For that, I thank you, Donald Trump and Republicans. I have a lot of new friends!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:52:54pm

heh

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:54:48pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 11, 2017 • 1:59:16pm

re: #22 BlueGrl21

It’s not about what’s true. It’s about saying a thing that voids the conversation. The basic premise of the current GOP is that anybody that disagrees with them isn’t really American. They will always work backwards from that assumption. They’ll make it true by smashing other perspectives.

It’s like prison-yard epistemology.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:03:48pm

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:06:03pm

re: #25 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

prison-yard epistemology

I couldn’t get into that class, even tough everyone else was trying to get out of it.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:07:43pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

Gotta know your Shankspeare to qualify.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:11:44pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

Public Service Announcement:

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Good to know we can trust industry to police itself.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:16:12pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Snowden is still under the delusion that he’s this awesome master spy that Russia will hold onto covetously because he “knows too much.” No, junior, if they’re suggesting throwing your ass to the wolves, then that’s a signal that you’ve ceased being an asset and are now a bargaining chip at best.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:16:40pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:28:51pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Snowden is still under the delusion that he’s this awesome master spy that Russia will hold onto covetously because he “knows too much.” No, junior, if they’re suggesting throwing your ass to the wolves, then that’s a signal that you’ve ceased being an asset and are now a bargaining chip at best.

He doesn’t get that he became expendable on Nov 9, 2016. I’ve always believed he’ was turned during his time in Geneva and that he really never understood just how in deep the water he’s in is. He’s lucky that there’s PR to be gotten from shipping him home. In the old days he’d just get sent to the basement of the Lubyanka Prison.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:29:59pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to have to remember this:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:30:41pm
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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:32:20pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:34:49pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon

What does the G stand for? If it’s what I think, good addition :)

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:40:07pm

re: #32 William Lewis

He doesn’t get that he became expendable on Nov 9, 2016. I’ve always believed he’ was turned during his time in Geneva and that he really never understood just how in deep the water he’s in is. He’s lucky that there’s PR to be gotten from shipping him home. In the old days he’d just get sent to the basement of the Lubyanka Prison.

Ayep, Snowden doesn’t quite get that Russia kept him around for the PR points. That he was not an uber-l33t hax0r who breached deep into America’s intel network, he was a low-level scrub who stole a bunch of passwords and grabbed up thousands of files without any idea what most of them actually said. Odds are that 85-90% of the useful intel the Russian got out of him was on the laptops he claimed to be carrying. Whatever human intel he carried (i.e. knowledge of the inner workings) they either got from him by playing to his ego or through indirect sources (hidden mics, “friends,” etc).

He ceased being of any value to the FSB ages ago, so throwing him back to Trump as a “gift” would be a major coup for their asset in the White House and little else.

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:41:30pm

Not sure we want this new earworm, but…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:44:04pm

more in the thread

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:45:41pm

re: #36 Interesting Times

What does the G stand for?

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:45:44pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And by your works He shall know you.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:49:43pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:51:20pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:51:56pm

The discussion of small town highway banditry reminds me:

How many of you know what “rule skoo dish-crick” might mean?

That is what a conservative west Texas politician will call a “rural school district.”

They don’t talk that way because the cow colleges they drank their way through don’t teach English, they do, but because their hinterland upper-crusty upbringing has convinced them that’s how ordinary people talk. They don’t, not usually at any rate, but rather than rebelling at this abject display of contempt, the rank-and-file yokel voters eat it up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:52:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:53:38pm

Soros is paying them..ALL OF THEM!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:55:42pm

hahahaha

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 2:57:36pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:00:16pm

the guy who is the topic of this thread.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:00:46pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:01:10pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

the guy who is the topic of this thread.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:01:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:03:00pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:03:29pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d add Florida to the list of wingnut states never to set foot in but it is already number one.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:03:48pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey now, I’ve been assured repeatedly that the NAACP gave him an award.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:04:11pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a rat faced little bastard, isn’t he?

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:05:32pm

Make Palm Beach Great Again!

Palm Beach businesses stung by cost of hosting Trump’s weekend retreat

Restrictions on air and road travel when the president is at his Mar-a-Lago resort threaten ‘to grind our economy to a halt’, says one hotel owner

Trump’s four-day visit last weekend caused more than $250,000 in lost revenue from fuel sales and landing fees

Palm Beach Aircraft Services estimates losses could reach $2m a year and several private plane owners have already switched to other airports

“When [the president’s] here for three days we lose at least $30,000. Our small businesses can’t survive, they’ll either shut down or leave,”

The Palm Beach sheriff’s office… overtime bill alone topped $250,000 for the then president-elect’s short Thanksgiving sojourn.

theguardian.com

The yam does not care.

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:08:10pm

Update on my less-than-good news from yesterday:

One of the minor partners is going to make what he’s calling a ‘power move’ tomorrow, which, if successful, would leave him as sole owner. He’d be closed for two months, and reopen under a new name. I wished him luck, and will wait and see.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:08:35pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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{minor edit}COBOL was the second language I used when I started programming in the business world!! I remember being delighted that a woman created the language. My first business language was … APL.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:08:42pm

re: #57 BeachDem

Can we go back to bitching about how much the Obama’s vacations cost?

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:09:40pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

He’s a rat faced little bastard, isn’t he?

Fits in along with Turtle Head & The Yam.

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:10:30pm

re: #61 William Lewis

Fits in along with Turtle Head & The Yam.

Which just makes me wonder if a rewrite of Animal Farm would fly these days?

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:12:35pm

re: #62 William Lewis

Which just makes me wonder if a rewrite of Animal Farm would fly these days?

The motto of the Trump cabinet: “Four legs good, two legs better.”

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:13:36pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

I don’t think a bag of flaming dog shit on his porch qualifies as an award.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:13:40pm

This is how stupid Trump voters are.

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

MERCED, Calif. — Jeff Marchini and others in the Central Valley here bet their farms on the election of Donald J. Trump. His message of reducing regulations and taxes appealed to this Republican stronghold, one of Mr. Trump’s strongest bases of support in the state.

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them.

“Everything’s coming so quickly,” Mr. Marchini said. “We’re not loading people into buses or deporting them, that’s not happening yet.” As he looked out over a crew of workers bent over as they rifled through muddy leaves to find purple heads of radicchio, he said that as a businessman, Mr. Trump would know that farmers had invested millions of dollars into produce that is growing right now, and that not being able to pick and sell those crops would represent huge losses for the state economy. “I’m confident that he can grasp the magnitude and the anxiety of what’s happening now.”

Why are these farmers not in jail for employing illegal laborers? Are there no laws?

nytimes.com

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:17:14pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

This is how stupid Trump voters are.

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

Why are these farmers not in jail for employing illegal laborers? Are there no laws?

nytimes.com

How many authoritarian regimes have started with the former supporters expressing horror because they thought the worst proposals were “just talk”?

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:19:54pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

All of them, I think.

Just the other day I came upon a letter to the editor from a conservative, Trump voting guy who had set up a marijuana business. He figured Trump would be good for small businesses.

Then who shows up but Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the 3rd.

Lots of luck with your new business, pal.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:20:47pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone explain to the sad tosser that supporting something is not the same thing as putting a fucking bet down.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:20:50pm

Just wanted to mention that AFTER the press languished behind black trash bags at the golf course, when the yam and Abe went to Trump International Golf Club (yet ANOTHER yam property where he can pick up some extra bucks) for lunch, the media was diverted to a library across the street.

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TedStriker  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:22:12pm

re: #32 William Lewis

He doesn’t get that he became expendable on Nov 9, 2016. I’ve always believed he’ was turned during his time in Geneva and that he really never understood just how in deep the water he’s in is. He’s lucky that there’s PR to be gotten from shipping him home. In the old days he’d just get sent to the basement of the Lubyanka Prison.

Or sent out east to become the occupant of an unmarked grave at a frozen Siberian gulag.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:24:33pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Rube.

Guy with an inflated sense of his mastery of sigint, with no understanding of humint.

He got played. It will be years before we get a sense of how much he got played.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:24:48pm

I was talking to my parents about our Rockwall County Sheriff, the one who whined to Trump the other day. I think that all money that is gained through police actions, such as tickets or asset claims, ought to be donated to charity. Police budgets should not depend on money taken in through police actions, only by taxes collected.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:24:57pm

re: #69 BeachDem

My sympathy for the media that worked so hard to get this pantload elected is pretty close to absolute zero.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:25:54pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaha

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:26:04pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

Guy seriously looks and sounds like a fundy preacher, or a snake oil salesman (assuming any difference).

So good to see people calling him out to his face as the pathetic liar he is. Where in the ACA does it say that if you’re 74 years old, you have to present yourself to a “Death Panel”? What ridiculousness.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:27:46pm

re: #75 Patricia Kayden

We’ve always had death panels, except they used to be called health insurance companies.

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:31:01pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

We’ve always had death panels, except they used to be called health insurance companies.

Now they’re called the GOP.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:32:48pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

My sympathy for the media that worked so hard to get this pantload elected is pretty close to absolute zero.

I have just the same amount of sympathy (none.) Just pointing out the absolute control these assholes are asserting—and how scary it is that the press corps goes along with it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:33:07pm

re: #71 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Rube.

Guy with an inflated sense of his mastery of sigint, with no understanding of humint.

He got played. It will be years before we get a sense of how much he got played.

He’s lying to himself at this point. His entire ego trip is built on a foundation of himself as a selfless “whistleblower” who saw something wrong and brought it to the world’s attention. If he acknowledges that the Russians turned his ass and have been playing him for years, then his actions cease being “noble” and end up being those of an egotistical prick. So he’ll keep lying to himself and everybody else about how his actions were totally for our benefit and not to stroke his ego.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:34:38pm

Very interesting week we just went through.

The Courts decision on “the Immigration Ban”, the stuff on Flynn and Kellyanne and these videos popping up of Republican politicians getting their heads handed to them by the people in their districts or states.

And, continued protests all the time in the streets of American cities.

Good stuff.

I guess for just over three weeks time Trump and the Republicans are meeting a kickback somewhat equal in intensity to Trump’s wanting to sprint through Executive Order signings and trying to act all law and order tough.

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:35:19pm

So does this mean Soros is paying old people to protest now too?

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:35:22pm

re: #78 BeachDem

After agreeing to be put in “pens” during the campaign I doubt that there’s any indignity they won’t go along with to allow Trump and his minions to lie to their faces.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:36:11pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Very interesting week we just went through.

The Courts decision on “the Immigration Ban”, the stuff on Flynn and Kellyanne and these videos popping up of Republican politicians getting their heads handed to them by the people in their districts or states.

And, continued protests all the time in the streets of American cities.

Good stuff.

I guess for just over three weeks time Trump and the Republicans are meeting a kickback somewhat equal in intensity to Trump’s wanting to sprint through Executive Order signings and trying to act all law and order tough.

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

“The Great Mistake.”

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:38:23pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

How about the more cynical, “The Great Con Job.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:38:32pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

We’ve always had death panels, except they used to be called health insurance companies.

And/or the Republican Congress.

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:38:33pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:39:50pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

The Great Regression.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:39:57pm

re: #22 BlueGrl21

Yes, the new one is we’re being bused in or paid.

These Republican politicians don’t understand we were always here. They’ve lived in a secure bubble in districts that were safely Republican. They cannot process it.

Thing is, I’m not sure how many of US in Republican areas knew we were here. We’ve all found each other now. I have been so thrilled to see all of us.

For that, I thank you, Donald Trump and Republicans. I have a lot of new friends!

Wasn’t that “outside agitators” argument used against Civil Rights Activists in the American South of the 1950s/60s? Rightwingers need to come up with something new. Or just face the fact that people who don’t like their ideas are going to exercise their rights to protest.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:43:00pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t that “outside agitators” argument used against Civil Rights Activists in the American South of the 1950s/60s? Rightwingers need to come up with something new. Or just face the fact that people who don’t like their ideas are going to exercise their rights to protest.

The FBI spent years, particularly at the orders of J. Edgar himself, investigating the civil rights movement as a “communist plot.” It certainly didn’t help that the Soviets used the hypocrisy between what America was preaching abroad and what it was practicing at home as a club to use against capitalism.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:43:20pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

“The Great Mistake.”

re: #84 PhillyPretzel

How about the more cynical, “The Great Con Job.”

re: #87 Interesting Times

The Great Regression.

Good names all!

I’m gonna add a fun one…

The Dark Orange Ages.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:43:30pm

re: #86 Kragar

Trump Tower is ‘The Trial Separation White House’.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:45:32pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

I was a child in the 60’s, I remember regretting that I was far too young to take part in the stuff I kept seeing on TV and in the papers.

Now much as I enjoy seeing the resistance, I’m quite sad that it should be necessary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:45:52pm

O_o

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:46:03pm

re: #84 PhillyPretzel

How about the more cynical, “The Great Con Job.”

I like that. Works on multiple levels. It was not only the masses being conned by Trump, but also all the rubes who were conned by the Bros into believing that a Trump presidency would be “better” than a Clinton one or that both parties were equally bad so not voting as a “protest” would work to “send a message.”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:46:25pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Byrd was a KKK member way back in the day so suck it Libtards!! Democ-Rats are the real racists!!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:46:47pm

For all of you bug types, I took a picture of this bug with my cell phone. The bug is about .5 inches across. I zoomed in on the picture and then took a screen shot of the zoom. I was wondering if anyone knew if this type has a particular name. I like the big red eyes and the hair on the legs. The white spots on the body are not camera affects. I have a different picture of the same bug with the spots in the same place.

It’s Them!
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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:47:30pm

re: #90 ObserverArt

Good names all!

I’m gonna add a fun one…

The Dark Orange Ages.

The Orange Death.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:47:59pm

re: #96 Belafon

Looks like a box elder bug

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Jay C  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:48:01pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

This is how stupid Trump voters are.

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

Why are these farmers not in jail for employing illegal laborers? Are there no laws?

What a shocker! ( not!) Agricultural enterprises in California, like everywhere else, have relied on low-cost labor to keep costs low, profits up ( and not irrelevantly, keeping food prices down on a market level) - and relying on a fairly casual attitude towards checking personal documentation has been SOP for decades - if not longer.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:48:21pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

Wasn’t that “outside agitators” argument used against Civil Rights Activists in the American South of the 1950s/60s? Rightwingers need to come up with something new. Or just face the fact that people who don’t like their ideas are going to exercise their rights to protest.

The outside agitators came.
They burned some churches and put the blame,
On decent southern people’s names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of n****rs and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would’ve told us if we’d done wrong.

We Didn’t Know—Tom Paxton—1965

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:48:21pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

And now our current Commander-in-Chief has fascist tendencies and is best buddies with the Russian dictator. My how things have changed.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:48:44pm

re: #92 sagehen

I was a child in the 60’s, I remember regretting that I was far too young to take part in the stuff I kept seeing on TV and in the papers.

Now much as I enjoy seeing the resistance, I’m quite sad that it should be necessary.

Our lesson to our kids, who we must teach to pass to their kids, is that it can happen anywhere and can happen again.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:49:33pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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O_o

He’s fishing for a compliment.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:50:19pm

re: #97 stpaulbear

The Orange Death.

With his Russian connections: Agent Orange.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:53:01pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Very interesting week we just went through.

The Courts decision on “the Immigration Ban”, the stuff on Flynn and Kellyanne and these videos popping up of Republican politicians getting their heads handed to them by the people in their districts or states.

And, continued protests all the time in the streets of American cities.

Good stuff.

I guess for just over three weeks time Trump and the Republicans are meeting a kickback somewhat equal in intensity to Trump’s wanting to sprint through Executive Order signings and trying to act all law and order tough.

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

The calm before the storm.

They’re not going to sit quietly and accept the pushback without response much longer. Chaffetz’s response to his town hall shows that they view the resistance to their agenda as completely illegitimate and false.

Viewing himself as a ‘law & order’ president, Trump (and his ego) isn’t going to be able to take it much longer before he lashes out with more than tweets. Crazy Sheriff Clarke has already made clear how he views anti-Trump protests and there’s probably a whole hell of a lot of cops who share his views and will happily follow Trump’s directives to go after the opposition.

I think things are going to get a lot uglier before they get better.

(I really hope I’m wrong on this, I really do)

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:54:34pm

re: #92 sagehen

I was a child in the 60’s, I remember regretting that I was far too young to take part in the stuff I kept seeing on TV and in the papers.

Now much as I enjoy seeing the resistance, I’m quite sad that it should be necessary.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:54:38pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did Trump shoot his normal 54?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:55:13pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Did Trump shoot his normal 54?

He had seven straight holes-in-one.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:55:59pm

Evening Lizardim. How go things among the lizardfolk on this grey, cloudy, but unseasonably warm February day?

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2017 • 3:57:42pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:00:04pm

re: #110 teleskiguy

Doesn’t he have a real job?

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:00:27pm

re: #105 Whack-A-Mole

The calm before the storm.

They’re not going to sit quietly and accept the pushback without response much longer. Chaffetz’s response to his town hall shows that they view the resistance to their agenda as completely illegitimate and false.

Viewing himself as a ‘law & order’ president, Trump (and his ego) isn’t going to be able to take it much longer before they lash out with more than tweets. Crazy Sheriff Clarke has already made clear how he views anti-Trump protests and there’s probably a whole hell of a lot of cops who share his views and will happily follow Trump’s directives to go after the opposition.

I think things are going to get a lot uglier before they get better.

(I really hope I’m wrong on this, I really do)

I think that’s a fair prediction, that eventually Trump or one of his lackeys at the state/local level are going to assume that they can get away with a crackdown and the truncheons will come out. And while his base will cheer because they think it means all them “dirty hippies” will finally get their comeuppance, you can only crack so many skulls and throw so many preachers and reporters in jail before the backlash begins.

But this all assumes that there are no terrorist attacks between now and whenever the crackdown begins. ISIS would probably love nothing better now than to add fuel to the authoritarian fire with a random attack that Trump could use to claim that his enemies have made it possible for terrorists to strike.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:00:46pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

Show Man and Con Artist. ////

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:03:07pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

Is that supposed to be Trump? Somebody stole his big gut! Get the SS on it STAT!

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:03:33pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

Doesn’t he have a real job?

Grifter.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:04:59pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

Grifter.

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Hey now, be nice…that guy is probably way more successful a businessman than Trump ever was.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:09:19pm

re: #86 Kragar

]No one is calling it “The Winter White House.”

I could see “Kremlin by the Sea” catching on though.

Dacha de Douche

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:13:03pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those papers look blank. lol

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:13:30pm

WHY DON’T YOU FIND A MAN TO MAKE A GOOD WOMAN OUT OF YOU? HARLOT!

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:13:31pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

The Great Leap Backward.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:14:04pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

Why don’t you ask Mrs. Fish what’s wrong with being a leader and a wife? Go on. I dare you. But I suggest you wear body armor.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:14:06pm

re: #105 Whack-A-Mole

The calm before the storm.

They’re not going to sit quietly and accept the pushback without response much longer. Chaffetz’s response to his town hall shows that they view the resistance to their agenda as completely illegitimate and false.

Viewing himself as a ‘law & order’ president, Trump (and his ego) isn’t going to be able to take it much longer before he lashes out with more than tweets. Crazy Sheriff Clarke has already made clear how he views anti-Trump protests and there’s probably a whole hell of a lot of cops who share his views and will happily follow Trump’s directives to go after the opposition.

I think things are going to get a lot uglier before they get better.

(I really hope I’m wrong on this, I really do)

I hope you are wrong too. Yikes!

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:14:23pm

re: #114 Skip Intro

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Is that supposed to be Trump? Somebody stole his big gut! Get the SS on it STAT!

Probably wearing Spanx.

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:15:27pm

OK, death panels.

I went to my doctor this week. New one, just like the last two times I went to the doctor (ah, rural healthcare). So I asked her whether she would agree with the last two about the possibility of Second Impact Syndrome making it a good idea for me to give up cycling. She did agree. She also said that if I did decide to ride again, I may want to be sure my DNR and DNI are up to date. I know about DNR, but had to ask about DNI. It’s Do Not Intubate. I was intubated when I was hit by the car, so saying Do Not doesn’t seem like a good idea, so riding a bike is not a good idea.

DEATH PANEL!

Thanks. Obama.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:16:04pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

Doesn’t he have a real job?

Don’t worry. Bannon’s got this.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:17:54pm

re: #103 Barefoot Grin

He’s fishing for a compliment.

fishing without any good bait…

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:18:24pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

WHY DON’T YOU FIND A MAN TO MAKE A GOOD WOMAN OUT OF YOU? HARLOT!

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:19:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:19:20pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Did Trump shoot his normal 54?

several holes-in-one…

(I’ll let the jokes write themselves for that.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:20:49pm

re: #118 GlutenFreeJesus

Those papers look blank. lol

Bannon will fill them in later.

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Jay C  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:22:18pm

re: #127 BeachDem

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:23:34pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:24:33pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

several holes-in-one…

(I’ll let the jokes write themselves for that.)

54 on the front nine.

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ozharas  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:25:23pm

Trumpocalypse Now, re-works our PM Turnbull’s encounter with Trump over our refugee deal…

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

re: #133 Ace Rothstein

54 on the front nine.

That would be me, for sure, but I think Trump clubs have a local rule where he gets to subtract his waist size from his score.

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jeffreyw  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:27:45pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

The Great Regression Due to Mean

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:28:31pm

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:30:33pm

So on a more personal note, this just happened to come spilling out of my keyboard and into my Facebook profile early this morning. Perhaps it was the hangover, perhaps it was me reading a headline saying that Drumpf was considering rewriting his stupid immigration ban EO, perhaps I just ran completely out of fucks to give sometime this week; judge for yourselves.

This is a post I’ve been trying to avoid making; it’s obvious to most of my friends that I don’t talk politics much. The interesting thing about the Declaration of Independence is that it doesn’t say “all American citizens are created equal”, it says “all men”. It says that these same “all men” are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Furthermore, when we look to the Constitution of the United States, you will note that it refers to People and not Citizens, except in a few cases, such as the right to vote and the right to bear arms. The Preamble to the Constitution begins, “We, the People of the United States.” That includes anyone living in, or visiting this country - however temporarily, however illegally. The point I’m driving at is this: Our country has been designed from the beginning to be a place of special greatness; a place of welcoming, a safe harbor among the tyrannies of Europe and Asia and South America. I get the need to feel secure from our enemies, but I cannot and will not support policies that throw the baby out with the bathwater. I oppose President Trump in his crusade to bar Muslim immigrants (and in a number of other policies, too, but that may be a post for a later time). However much a liberal that makes me, I’m sorry to disappoint, but I apologize for nothing.

I guess I’m out of the closet now. Woopsy.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:30:53pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

fishing without any good bait…

There was an article a couple of weeks ago by a Golf Digest (I think) writer who got an ear full from Trump after he visited and reviewed the course. Was Trump angry about the review? No. He was pissed that the guy didn’t mention his score. The writer pushed back: ‘it was a friendly game; we had do-overs and gave short putts; you can’t honestly report that kind of score even if it mattered.’ Trump fumed even more. Kept attacking him.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:33:27pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

We’ve always had death panels, except they used to be called health insurance companies.

And one of the big ‘conservative’ complaints about public healthcare is that healthcare will be ‘rationed’.

News for ya, people. Before the ACA American healthcare was rationed. It had to be or else the insurance companies wouldn’t have made as big a profit. Furthermore about 25% of the costs of healthcare was the huge bureaucracy that rationed the healthcare so insurance companies could keep huge profits.

Man, these people.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:33:45pm

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:33:56pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

So on a more personal note, this just happened to come spilling out of my keyboard and into my Facebook profile early this morning. Perhaps it was the hangover, perhaps it was me reading a headline saying that Drumpf was considering rewriting his stupid immigration ban EO, perhaps I just ran completely out of fucks to give sometime this week; judge for yourselves.

I guess I’m out of the closet now. Woopsy.

I hope a fishy out of the closet feels better than a fishy out of water. Nicely done.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:35:45pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

I hope a fishy out of the closet feels better than a fishy out of water. Nicely done.

And who says that the only thing a dopefish thinks is, “SWIM, SWIM, HUNGRY…?”

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:36:03pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

They still are!

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:37:24pm

Today, the horse. Tomorrow, the world.

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:38:04pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:38:04pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Did Trump shoot his normal 54?

In hexadecimal, yes.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:38:40pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

WHY DON’T YOU FIND A MAN TO MAKE A GOOD WOMAN OUT OF YOU? HARLOT!

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Yet Republicans love Margaret Thatcher, who last time I checked was a Prime Minister and thus a leader of her country (and a married woman to boot).

And wasn’t Sarah Palin, another GOP goddess, also a leader (Mayor, Governor, VP candidate)?

Idiots.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:38:41pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:39:44pm

re: #105 Whack-A-Mole

The calm before the storm.

They’re not going to sit quietly and accept the pushback without response much longer. Chaffetz’s response to his town hall shows that they view the resistance to their agenda as completely illegitimate and false.

Viewing himself as a ‘law & order’ president, Trump (and his ego) isn’t going to be able to take it much longer before he lashes out with more than tweets. Crazy Sheriff Clarke has already made clear how he views anti-Trump protests and there’s probably a whole hell of a lot of cops who share his views and will happily follow Trump’s directives to go after the opposition.

I think things are going to get a lot uglier before they get better.

(I really hope I’m wrong on this, I really do)

That’s not a bad prediction, because what we’re seeing right now is an attempt by Trump to nationalize the oppression of the South in the 60s. But there are more of us prepared to fight back, and, unlike the 60s, it’s already being televised. I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but I don’t think as many things are going to go Trump’s way as he thinks.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:40:25pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Good on ya!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:40:38pm
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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:46:30pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

So on a more personal note, this just happened to come spilling out of my keyboard and into my Facebook profile early this morning. Perhaps it was the hangover, perhaps it was me reading a headline saying that Drumpf was considering rewriting his stupid immigration ban EO, perhaps I just ran completely out of fucks to give sometime this week; judge for yourselves.

I guess I’m out of the closet now. Woopsy.

Welcome, but doesn’t it feel like this?

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:49:36pm

re: #153 William Lewis

At least the call with fishfolk shortly thereafter was mostly normal. I have not yet been disowned. I suspect they probably will express their disappointment in me for some time to come, though.

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:49:48pm

re: #147 Romantic Heretic

In hexadecimal, yes.

9 holes then?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:50:10pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

So on a more personal note, this just happened to come spilling out of my keyboard and into my Facebook profile early this morning. Perhaps it was the hangover, perhaps it was me reading a headline saying that Drumpf was considering rewriting his stupid immigration ban EO, perhaps I just ran completely out of fucks to give sometime this week; judge for yourselves.

I guess I’m out of the closet now. Woopsy.

STANDING UP AND APPLAUDING LOUDLY!

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:51:40pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

At least the call with fishfolk shortly thereafter was mostly normal. I have not yet been disowned. I suspect they probably will express their disappointment in me for some time to come, though.

Don’t fret, you have occupied the high ground.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:52:15pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

Don’t fret, you have occupied the high ground.

They may shoot me dead, yes, but I’ll have the moral high ground.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:53:46pm

re: #150 Belafon

That’s not a bad prediction, because what we’re seeing right now is an attempt by Trump to nationalize the oppression of the South in the 60s. But there are more of us prepared to fight back, and, unlike the 60s, it’s already being televised. I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but I don’t think as many things are going to go Trump’s way as he thinks.

I have a feeling it’s going to be a lot worse than the 60’s.

For one, it’s being televised by a media that has an obsessive need to summon the magic balance fairy. I see no reason to believe that won’t continue when the police decide enough free speech is enough.

Second, the police are a hell of a lot more trigger happy today than they were back then. I think it all too likely that instead of truncheons and fire hoses, we’ll be seeing assault rifles and shotguns. The courts have already shown them that they can get away with shooting unarmed suspects under the merest imaginary shred of threat; an active/rowdy protest is going to be open season.

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meteor  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:53:48pm

re: #2 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Indeed.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2017 • 4:54:04pm

re: #40 Joe Bacon

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:00:11pm

re: #159 Whack-A-Mole

I have a feeling it’s going to be a lot worse than the 60’s.

For one, it’s being televised by a media that has an obsessive need to summon the magic balance fairy. I see no reason to believe that won’t continue when the police decide enough free speech is enough.

Second, the police are a hell of a lot more trigger happy today than they were back then. I think it all too likely that instead of truncheons and fire hoses, we’ll be seeing assault rifles and shotguns. The courts have already shown them that they can get away with shooting unarmed suspects under the merest imaginary shred of threat; an active/rowdy protest is going to be open season.

The police used guns in the 60s. They also turned their heads when civilians took the law into their own hands.

As for the media, what made them turn their cameras to the south in the 60s: Blacks showing up at lunch counters and marching, and white people being killed.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:01:27pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:03:17pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well that sounds like he is advocating for them to be hanged.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:04:42pm

I see lil’ Kim just launched a perported ICBM off their east coast.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:04:46pm

Melania’s redesign of the Lincoln bedroom.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:05:34pm

Manafort.

I need to bring this up from time to time.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:05:41pm

re: #166 Dave In Austin

I see lil’ Kim just launched a perported ICBM off their east coast.

Yeah, the “IC” in “ICBM” is the part the tricky bit, there, lil’ Kim.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:05:49pm

One of the people on my CERT team is a Republican and a teacher. My wife noticed that on the teacher’s facebook page, she put up a comment blasting Cruz and Cornyn for voting for Devos. And then followed that up with a post about going to a Celebrating Reagan meeting with local Republicans. It’s odd, but Democrats don’t have a “worshiping a caricature of our favorite president” event, and we don’t need one.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:11:53pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:13:17pm

re: #167 Skip Intro

Melania’s redesign of the Lincoln bedroom.

Not enough mirrors

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:14:32pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Strangely, if we didn’t have to live through it, this would be a great time in history to study. Wonder what it will be called?

Era of Shitty Feelings

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:15:15pm

re: #165 Jebediah, RBG

Well that sounds like he is advocating for them to be hanged.

indeed

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:15:15pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:15:49pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart

Not enough mirrors

Work in progress. She just hired her designer, after all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:21:30pm

re: #166 Dave In Austin

I see lil’ Kim just launched a perported ICBM off their east coast.

did this one actually work?

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:21:42pm

(deleted by author. other reasons for the arrest)

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:22:35pm

More Boss covers. Tom Morrelo does a great Eddie Van Halen

Jump (Dallas, TX - 04/06/14)

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nines09  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:22:36pm

re: #163 gocart mozart

PM Abe was probably wishing he had the ability to shed his skin after that encounter. Like a lizard. He probably showered with 100 grit sandpaper and Scotch-brite pads. Repeatedly.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:23:17pm

re: #179 stpaulbear

I updated with story details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:23:33pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart

Not enough mirrors

Not enough gold

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:25:15pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:25:17pm

Heh, some Photoshop fun with the political animal kingdom…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:26:30pm

re: #185 ObserverArt

Heh, some Photoshop fun with the political animal kingdom…

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you have slandered weasels everywhere.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:26:33pm

re: #182 stpaulbear

I updated with story details.

OK, this is weird. One of the gay porn men arrested is a known Nazi sympathizer.

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:28:42pm

Any Wisconsin Lizards still around?

From the linked article:

…Nick Ciletti, a 28-year old Marine veteran who mixed pills for a pharmacy, noted bitterly that a 17-year old working as a chef made more money.

“I voted for Obama the first time, I didn’t vote in 2012, and then I voted for Trump,” he said as servers at the Gridiron Pub dished out free chicken wings. Clinton had lost him, among other reasons, over her seeming readiness to restrict gun rights.

In a dozen conversations, Sawyer County voters who had abandoned Democrats in 2016 said they did not necessarily embrace the Republican platform. They viewed the Democratic Party, especially its 2016 iteration, as lost and elitist. Or, they personally could not stand Clinton.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:29:48pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

you have slandered weasels everywhere.

I am slandering all Political Weasels!

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:29:48pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:30:08pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

you have slandered weasels everywhere.

Iceweasel is not available for comment.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:30:33pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:30:57pm

(deleted by author)

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:32:39pm

re: #162 Belafon

Yes, police used guns back then. But the police of then aren’t the police of now. Back then, they needed to call in the National Guard for heavy equipment and major firepower. Now, they’re kitted out like soldiers themselves complete with armored vehicles and they often have the mindset to match.

As far as the media and their obsessive need for balance, look at the coverage in Ferguson. The media paid just as much, if not more, attention to the sporadic acts of looting and arson by the protesters than they did to covering and pointing out the hugely disproportionate use of force by the police. The only thing that’s changed in the years since then is that the media in general has become even more deferential to authority (though, in fairness, some segments of the media do appear to be regaining their integrity as of late).

And I’m not convinced that the racial aspect is going to make a difference this time. Back then there was a large enough segment of the center that hated the violence more than the idea of civil rights.

With as polarized as politics is today, and the large numbers of those on the right who view their opposition as something to be exterminated, I’m worried there isn’t a center large enough to tip the balance between power and protesters.

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:36:04pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

Any Wisconsin Lizards still around?

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From the linked article:

WTF???? WHY didn’t this get any goddamn publicity? We could have easily tripled that showing. I didn’t know about it.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:36:13pm

I’ll be happy when there’s a new thread so that no one will see how much I screwed up on this one.

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:36:36pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:37:03pm

re: #196 stpaulbear

I’ll be happy when there’s a new thread so that no one will see how much I screwed up on this one.

Yeah, well, at least you didn’t send a rather scandalous intimate text meant for your wife to a group text involving your mutual best friend.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:37:24pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

…Nick Ciletti, a 28-year old Marine veteran who mixed pills for a pharmacy,

ummm…what does that even mean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:37:45pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

I am slandering all Political Weasels!

oh, ok.
never mind!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:37:55pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

Any Wisconsin Lizards still around?

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From the linked article:

I’m so tired of keeping dangerous weapons out of dangerous people’s hands being a bad thing.

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:43:07pm

… Deleted

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:43:56pm

re: #182 stpaulbear

I updated with story details.

Sorry. Didn’t get down far enough.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:45:42pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

They’re going to find out that a protest vote/not voting has consequences. All because their feelings were hurt.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:46:24pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:47:00pm

Some kick ass jam band/jazz rock

“Kitty’s Back” (Perth, 02/05/14)

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:47:13pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:47:16pm

re: #205 jaunte

Given all the discussion around Drumpf’s itchy trigger finger, you would expect lil’ Kim to have more self-preservation than to pull a stunt like that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:47:34pm

re: #163 gocart mozart

One of these days, he’s going to get yanked to the ground.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:49:45pm

re: #207 stpaulbear

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OK, I can’t do anything right tonight.

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:50:06pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

Any Wisconsin Lizards still around?

[Embedded content]

From the linked article:

It’s very easy to hate someone you’ve been told is evil (lying, worthless, a dyke, a liberal, too ambitious, too shrill, etc., etc., etc.) over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again (30 years worth of Over).

The future won’t change. Right wing propaganda will continue with whomever our side puts up; hell, whomever they think our side will put up.

Textbook right wing bullshit.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:50:15pm

re: #208 thedopefishlives

Given all the discussion around Drumpf’s itchy trigger finger, you would expect lil’ Kim to have more self-preservation than to pull a stunt like that.

Trump’s itchy trigger finger ended with him conceding to China with regards to the One China policy.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:51:36pm

re: #212 Belafon

Trump’s itchy trigger finger ended with him conceding to China with regards to the One China policy.

I still doubt that he’s given up the secret wingnut fantasy of getting to push the Big Red Button on some poor sumbitches.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:51:38pm

The real bad asses of the world know that Trump is a weak, idiotic clown, and they’re going to seriously test him to see if he lashes out. This next couple of months is a real danger zone for the entire world.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:53:06pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

The real bad asses of the world know that Trump is a weak, idiotic clown, and they’re going to seriously test him to see if he lashes out. This next couple of months is a real danger zone for the entire world.

It’s never the loudmouth (Trump) you need to worry about, it’s the quiet ones (Obama) that are the ones you have to be wary of.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:53:28pm

re: #215 Belafon

It’s never the loudmouth (Trump) you need to worry about, it’s the quiet ones (Obama) that are the ones you have to be wary of.

Speak softly and carry a big stick, as America’s biggest baddest President once said.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:53:51pm

re: #211 MsJ

It’s very easy to hate someone you’ve been told is evil (lying, worthless, a dyke, a liberal, too ambitious, too shrill, etc., etc., etc.) over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again (30 years worth of Over).

The future won’t change. Right wing propaganda will continue with whomever our side puts up; hell, whomever they think our side will put up.

Textbook right wing bullshit.

And people in Wisconsin are definitely getting screwed over BADLY by Walker and the republican legislature. They’ve just learned to blame it on the wrong side, as you said.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:54:10pm

Master strategist.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:54:27pm

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Speak softly and carry a big stick, as America’s biggest baddest President once said.

Who was the parent you truly respected: The one that yelled all the time, or the one that could cower you with just a look?

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:55:00pm

re: #204 GlutenFreeJesus

They’re going to find out that a protest vote/not voting has consequences. All because their feelings were hurt.

To be fair, some of them did seem like the genuine “economic anxiety” types (though of course they’re too propagandized/misinformed to realize who’s really responsible for their plight)

These are indeed the types of voters who (hypothetically, because we can never know for sure) would’ve voted Bernie. Then again, those voters might not have been enough to compensate for loss of other groups Bernie had trouble with (e.g. POC).

Seems to me the ideal Dem candidate would be a fresh new face who can merge old-school WWC populism with a pro-diversity message. I refuse to believe the two are mutually exclusive by default. After all, MLK’s most famous march was for economic justice as well.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:55:32pm

re: #219 Belafon

Who was the parent you truly respected: The one that yelled all the time, or the one that could cower you with just a look?

Oh, there’s no doubt that my dad put the fear of God into me many a time, but I didn’t even try to cross my mom. Not even once.

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scottslemmons  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:56:13pm

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Speak softly and carry a big stick, as America’s biggest baddest President once said.

Technically, our biggest baddest President was Abe Lincoln. But Teddy R. was certainly a close second. :)

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:56:49pm

re: #196 stpaulbear

I’ll be happy when there’s a new thread so that no one will see how much I screwed up on this one.

No more than anyone else on any other thread. Shit happens.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:57:57pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 5:57:58pm

re: #220 Interesting Times

They aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, the flaw is in thinking that they are separate. The wealthy in this country steal from the poor because poor whites want to think they’re different from poor blacks. If whites would give up that notion, that group together would be in control of the country.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:01:26pm

I don’t understand why stores are dropping Ivanka’s line.

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:02:47pm

re: #218 jaunte

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Master strategist.

Jesus Christ. Could he possibly be any fucking dumber?

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:03:27pm

re: #227 MsJ

Jesus Christ. Could he possibly be any fucking dumber?

Trump: Hold my Trump Beer…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:03:38pm

re: #226 Skip Intro

They shouldn’t be allowed to slash their prices just because people aren’t buying her clothes. When I build my wall, her clothes will get the respect they deserve. Sad!

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nines09  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:03:42pm

re: #226 Skip Intro

I don’t understand why stores are dropping Ivanka’s line.

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You can smell the quality from the photo.

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:03:44pm

re: #225 Belafon

You’re in a deeply red part of TX - can you think of any message that could successfully peel away enough voters to make a difference? Or are they hopeless “GOP uber alles” types who’d excuse anything up to and including a full-blown kleptocracy?

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:04:15pm

re: #227 MsJ

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:04:34pm

re: #225 Belafon

They aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, the flaw is in thinking that they are separate. The wealthy in this country steal from the poor because poor whites want to think they’re different from poor blacks. If whites would give up that notion, that group together would be in control of the country.

I agree completely. That’s why the right works so hard at fostering the division. The racism on the right is a means as well as an end in itself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:08:21pm

re: #219 Belafon

Who was the parent you truly respected: The one that yelled all the time, or the one that could cower you with just a look?

and sometimes she was brandishing a hairbrush along with that look…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:08:55pm

re: #219 Belafon

Who was the parent you truly respected: The one that yelled all the time, or the one that could cower you with just a look?

DON’T MAKE ME TURN THIS CAR AROUND…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:09:49pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Oh, there’s no doubt that my dad put the fear of God into me many a time, but I didn’t even try to cross my mom. Not even once.

moms are the gods of ancient times…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:11:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:13:32pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

You’re in a deeply red part of TX - can you think of any message that could successfully peel away enough voters to make a difference? Or are they hopeless “GOP uber alles” types who’d excuse anything up to and including a full-blown kleptocracy?

I’m in one of the poorest counties in Eastern Kentucky. More than a third of the people here will lose their insurance (their actual health care that they never had before Kynect) if ACA is repealed.

They are already freaking out.

I tried to tell them but… BUSINESSMAN!!!11!!!

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:14:41pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of that recent PPP poll showing a tie between “yes” and “no” for impeachment, and the rest “not sure.” I wonder how many of the “not sure” people really mean “Er…do we really want President Pence?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:15:37pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

Reminds me of that recent PPP poll showing a tie between “yes” and “no” for impeachment, and the rest “not sure.” I wonder how many of the “not sure” people really mean “Er…do we really want President Pence?”

Reminder that Manafort was the guy who pushed for Pence as VP…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:16:01pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

Reminds me of that recent PPP poll showing a tie between “yes” and “no” for impeachment, and the rest “not sure.” I wonder how many of the “not sure” people really mean “Er…do we really want President Pence?”

Had a conversation with a moderate friend of mine today who professed that she believed the Republicans intended for President Pence all along. She agreed that he would be a disaster for domestic policy, but I conceded that at least he wouldn’t be quite as bad with regard to foreign diplomacy. To which I quipped, “It’s a sad day when Mike Pence is considered an upgrade to anybody.”

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:16:11pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m in one of the poorest counties in Eastern Kentucky. More than a third of the people here will lose their insurance (their actual health care that they never had before Kynect) if ACA is repealed.

They are already freaking out.

I tried to tell them but… BUSINESSMAN!!!11!!!

*sigh*

Guess some people have to learn the hard way -_-

(but then again, I thought Bevin had already nuked Kynect…?)

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:17:38pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:17:39pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:18:58pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

You’re in a deeply red part of TX - can you think of any message that could successfully peel away enough voters to make a difference? Or are they hopeless “GOP uber alles” types who’d excuse anything up to and including a full-blown kleptocracy?

I’m not entirely sure. I’ve been trying to think of a message you could say that would make Republicans, especially the poor ones, go “aha, that’s right, it’s the Democrats that care,” but I really don’t know of one that would work. I pretty much think they’ll have to figure it out themselves.

There are two things we really want: To show them that Republicans don’t care, and that Democrats do. The first one will I think only happen if what they hear on Fox does not match what the pain they’re experiencing to the point they turn the channel off. Not only that, what the poor would have to understand is that what is happening to them could not be accomplished by minorities. That’s actually fairly easy in places where whites interact with blacks and Latinos, but not in places where the black population is very tiny, which is why a woman in Kentucky can hope her health care doesn’t go away and complain about blacks getting something for free.

The second part is that they think their choice is between Republicans and the party that eats baby parts for a Satanic ritual. I’m not sure how you get through that. Once again, it really comes down to them deciding they want things to be different, and they also have to change.

And believe me, I’m still working on an attempt. I’ve been thinking about writing something that touches on race, economics, religion, and how they work in our country. But I think that, even if I were to write something truly clarifying, they would have to first be willing to accept the message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:19:17pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

*sigh*

Guess some people have to learn the hard way -_-

(but then again, I thought Bevin had already nuked Kynect…?)

He did. He said he would. And I said the same thing during THAT campaign.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:20:00pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

But his totally legit doctor told us he’ll be the healthiest president ever!

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:22:31pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

He did. He said he would. And I said the same thing during THAT campaign.

That’s where my confusion lies - I thought Kynect was Kentucky’s implementation of Obamacare/ACA, so haven’t these people already lost their insurance? How is the ACA still covering them?

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:22:41pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m in one of the poorest counties in Eastern Kentucky. More than a third of the people here will lose their insurance (their actual health care that they never had before Kynect) if ACA is repealed.

They are already freaking out.

I tried to tell them but… BUSINESSMAN!!!11!!!

I had a thought on those lines as well: “You wanted the country to be run more like a business. It would have been nice if you’d picked a businessman.” I know we’ve said some variation of that, but this one’s tweet size.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:24:35pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:25:19pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

Ugh. Crazy people. And they give some of them licenses to fly.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:25:39pm

re: #251 Belafon

I had a thought on those lines as well: “You wanted the country to be run more like a business. It would have been nice if you’d picked a businessman.” I know we’ve said some variation of that, but this one’s tweet size.

Anyone who’s been around since the 80’s has seen what a carnival barker salesman the yam has been.

The people who think he’s a good businessman are basing it on one thing. His role on The Apprentice.

#SAD

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:26:31pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Anyone who’s been around since the 80’s has seen what a carnival barker salesman the yam has been.

The people who think he’s a good businessman are basing it on one thing. His role on The Apprentice.

#SAD

Which he only got because of the perception of him as a good businessman… He’s a regular ol’ modern-day P. T. Barnum.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:27:35pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

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Oh hell no.

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:28:24pm

re: #247 Belafon

The second part is that they think their choice is between Republicans and the party that eats baby parts for a Satanic ritual.

The people you know who sincerely believe that (evangelicals?) are beyond hope, so I’d suggest you not even bother. The trick is to look at the larger group to which they belong and peel away the ones who might still be open to reason and genuine (as opposed to “alternative”) facts.

Anymouse made some good points about this earlier.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:28:43pm

re: #255 thedopefishlives

Which he only got because of the perception of him as a good businessman… He’s a regular ol’ modern-day P. T. Barnum.

And his trademark scowl. Made for a bad guy on the TV.

Bizarre. & here we are.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:29:51pm

OK, 8:30 I’m going to try to watch SNL live on the computer.

Going to be a goody I’m thinking.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:31:11pm

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. That is all. I can’t believe his flowery, over-written, over-privileged pseudo-intellectual bullshit is being tweeted like crazy. This guy is responsible for helping The Bell Curve go mainstream.

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. I thought he promised he was going to go away. He should stay there.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:33:11pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. That is all. I can’t believe his flowery, over-written, over-privileged pseudo-intellectual bullshit is being tweeted like crazy. This guy is responsible for helping The Bell Curve go mainstream.

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. I thought he promised he was going to go away. He should stay there.

The Bell Curve? I’m missing a connection here.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:35:23pm

re: #257 Interesting Times

The people you know who sincerely believe that (evangelicals?) are beyond hope, so I’d suggest you not even bother. The trick is to look at the larger group to which they belong and peel away the ones who might still be open to reason and genuine (as opposed to “alternative”) facts.

Anymouse made some good points about this earlier.

I know. I was exaggerating a little bit. But, there are some people around me that I would consider reasonable Republicans that would not vote Democrat, even if they think there should be more spending on education, health care, and even support contraception and paying for child care. And I truly haven’t figured out how to get through to these people.

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:38:58pm

re: #262 Belafon

I know. I was exaggerating a little bit. But, there are some people around me that I would consider reasonable Republicans that would not vote Democrat, even if they think there should be more spending on education, health care, and even support contraception and paying for child care. And I truly haven’t figured out how to get through to these people.

Well, one thing at a time - if you can’t make them pro-Dem, at least make them anti-GOP by demonstrating as much as you can how the GOP’s “values” and actions don’t support want they want in the least. You might not get them to vote Dem, but if they’re disillusioned enough, they might just stay home and not vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:44:06pm

re: #250 Interesting Times

That’s where my confusion lies - I thought Kynect was Kentucky’s implementation of Obamacare/ACA, so haven’t these people already lost their insurance? How is the ACA still covering them?

Kynect was killed. Kentucky is now in the federal ACA marketplace.

For now.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:44:08pm

re: #261 thedopefishlives

The Bell Curve? I’m missing a connection here.

theatlantic.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:45:57pm

After three weeks of trump…I am looking forward to uplifting and positive vibes when The Walking Dead has its mid-season premiere tomorrow night…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:46:02pm

Also.

gawker.com

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:48:17pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

Also.

gawker.com

Ah, okay. So The Bell Curve is one of the liminal texts around the myth that blacks are dumber than whites. The pieces fall into place now. Which brings to mind the storied history of the Intelligence Quotient, which was a test implicitly designed to prove that very conclusion.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:49:10pm

re: #176 Skip Intro

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Lol!! How humiliating for Trump. Perfect!

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:50:32pm

Remember this tweet from Mar-a-Lago Mussolini, where the Lawfare article ended up saying the exact opposite of what he thought it did? The author of said article responds, and it’s…well…read the whole thing:

It was a very strange day.

The only thing lower on my list of expectations than a presidential tweet when I got into an Uber this morning was what I got: an approving presidential tweet.

Think about it this way: If the Trump White House is so incompetent that it is citing my work by accident, how on earth can we trust it to handle North Korea?

Sad!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:51:25pm

Chrissy is a jewel.

Read the replies.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:53:13pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

After three weeks of trump…I am looking forward to uplifting and positive vibes when The Walking Dead has its mid-season premiere tomorrow night…

Cannot wait. It’s going to be awful.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:55:17pm

Andrew Sullivan is the conservative Lucy: just when she promises she has changed she pulls the football up again.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 6:58:00pm
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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:00:41pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m in one of the poorest counties in Eastern Kentucky. More than a third of the people here will lose their insurance (their actual health care that they never had before Kynect) if ACA is repealed.

They are already freaking out.

I tried to tell them but… BUSINESSMAN!!!11!!!

The big question is if they realize it’s Republicans doing it…and if they’ll continue to vote GOP.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:01:50pm

re: #275 MsJ

The big question is if they realize it’s Republicans doing it…and if they’ll continue to vote GOP.

Of course they will, because God and/or Guns.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:03:26pm

re: #276 thedopefishlives

My moderate friend and I had this discussion this morning, too. She was wondering when, exactly, the Republican Party became the party of Jesus. I told her about the Southern Strategy and the racist history of the Republicans building their religious street cred to obtain a fanatically loyal power base. And now we are seeing the ultimate fruit of their labor: Where they put a goddamn talking yam on the ticket and managed, by hook or by crook, to get him elected to President of the United States.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:03:27pm

The new FX series Legion is pretty freaking great.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:07:48pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

Does it have any ties to the wider X-Men comic world or is it pretty much self-contained?

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[deleted]  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:08:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:10:19pm

re: #280 SteveMcG RN

Please let me know when he renounces it.

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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:13:35pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. That is all. I can’t believe his flowery, over-written, over-privileged pseudo-intellectual bullshit is being tweeted like crazy. This guy is responsible for helping The Bell Curve go mainstream.

Fuck Andrew Sullivan. I thought he promised he was going to go away. He should stay there.

He played his own role in helping Trump get elected with his anti-Clinton mania.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:13:53pm

It’s always good to know when people are carrying grudges.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:14:12pm
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:14:15pm

re: #253 thedopefishlives

Ugh. Crazy people. And they give some of them licenses to fly.

Still a lot harder to get than firearms.

A lot harder, sadly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:14:50pm

re: #275 MsJ

The big question is if they realize it’s Republicans doing it…and if they’ll continue to vote GOP.

They know now.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:17:05pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

Chrissy is a jewel.

Read the replies.

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She should just say “You won’t like me when I’m angry.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:17:35pm

it’s too fucking early on a Saturday night for purity grudge slinging.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:20:25pm

re: #280 SteveMcG RN

When a dude put its out there thank he thinks race science needs to be re-examined…on the basis on him not fucking understanding why science discarded race science, and instead drinking from the well of “PC liberal outrage”—

That’s not grudge material. That’s “nope, this guy can fuck off until further notice and some kind of detailed apology for the cultural equivalent of shitting themselves and/or just plain letting down the side” material.

Not than anything else Sullivan writes suggests self-awareness or insight. He’s basically a slightly different variant of the potato-stamp COUNTERINTUITIVE, THUS MEANINGFUL fuckwittery that half-clever people substitute for actual analytic reason. Repetitive articles filled with shallow erudition, plus the occasion insane flatulation (see: Trig Palin conspiracy theory).

Basically, Andrew Sullivan is David Brooks if he occasionally rolled on E.

ETA: because I used “potato stamp” as a descriptor twice. Which I think conveys how emphatically I find his material subpar. Some other print-making metaphor might accidentally suggest care of craftsmanship or skill.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:20:27pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s too fucking early on a Saturday for purity grudge slinging.

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BUT I WANT MY GODDAMN UNICORN!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:23:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:24:25pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:26:15pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

But that’s different, Drumpf is making a state visit of his golfing trip. Obama was just slacking off. Besides, Drumpf actually wins his matches, he’s got the best golf game.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:26:30pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

*sigh*

Guess some people have to learn the hard way -_-

(but then again, I thought Bevin had already nuked Kynect…?)

Yes he did, but that only send everyone to healthcare.gov. Bevin hasn’t canceled Medicaid expansion, though he has urged the federal government to do it for him so he doesn’t have to take the blame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:31:39pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:33:51pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:34:10pm

re: #284 The Vicious Babushka

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The Wall Street Journal reported sales of Ivanka Trump merchandise at Nordstrom’s dropped by a third last year. Its not personal or political, its strictly business.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:34:21pm

Piers ain’t getting any twitter love from anybody today:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:34:23pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:36:32pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Piers ain’t getting any twitter love from anybody today:

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Dude, fucker just got roasted. Nice.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:38:17pm

re: #268 thedopefishlives

Ah, okay. So The Bell Curve is one of the liminal texts around the myth that blacks are dumber than whites. The pieces fall into place now. Which brings to mind the storied history of the Intelligence Quotient, which was a test implicitly designed to prove that very conclusion.

For example, immigration officials soon after 1900 gave new arrivals IQ tests — in English — to sort out who should enter and who should not.

The Bell Curve book has two parts. The first, which focuses on the scientific and statistical side of intelligence and IQ testing is not bad. The second, in which the authors editorialize on what all that means to society and race, is by contrast totally around the bend. Racists refer to the entire book as a scientific work, but it is not. Rage Furby, for one, has declared the book changed his life. The verdict is still out whether it was for the better.

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:38:58pm

Pinkbathrobeghazigate will be what brings down the Orange One

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:39:41pm
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[deleted]  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:40:38pm
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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:41:08pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Piers ain’t getting any twitter love from anybody today:

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In watching Piers Morgan’s ridiculous TV appearance from last night, I was struck with the similarity to our former “classical liberal” friend who decided he preferred white supremacist radio over being a part of LGF.

He doesn’t love Trump, you see, he is just concerned that Trump’s detractors are outraged at all the wrong things…unlike him, who knows just what is appropriate to be outraged about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:43:22pm

re: #305 bratwurst

In watching Piers Morgan’s ridiculous TV appearance from last night, I was struck with the similarity to our former “classical liberal” friend who decided he preferred white supremacist radio over being a part of LGF.

He doesn’t love Trump, you see, he is just concerned that Trump’s detractors are outraged at all the wrong things…unlike him, who knows just what is appropriate to be outraged about.

JK Rowling absolutely destroyed him on twitter after that debacle appearance.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:44:20pm

It must be a Republican thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:44:59pm

jeebus…it’s still a fucking full moon effect for some assholes tonight, isn’t it?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:45:09pm

Keep digging. 3 weeks in, there’s shit

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Interesting Times  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:45:30pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

JK Rowling absolutely destroyed him on twitter after that debacle appearance.

I wonder if he doesn’t so much believe the shit he’s spewing as think it’s a great way to get attention e_e Concern-trolling is the last refuge of the irrelevant wanker, after all…

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:46:44pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Keep digging. 3 weeks in, there’s shit

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Sounds impeachable to me.

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scottslemmons  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:46:54pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Piers ain’t getting any twitter love from anybody today:

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Neil Gaiman didn’t really roast him, but he had some thoughts about the one time he met him.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:47:21pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Piers ain’t getting any twitter love from anybody today:

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Holy hell

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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:47:37pm

re: #304 SteveMcG RN

Quite a coincidence you have to run after lobbing a turd like that. Pity you can’t stay and discuss it.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:48:41pm

Really trying hard to avoid a “fuck you” moment here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:48:42pm

re: #314 bratwurst

Quite a coincidence you have to run after lobbing a turd like that.

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I’m shocked as well…

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MsJ  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:48:52pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

They know now.

It’s a start and I’ll take it.

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TedStriker  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:49:06pm

re: #304 SteveMcG RN

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:49:44pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Really trying hard to avoid a “fuck you” moment here.

shared a side eye on your behalf in #308

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:49:56pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…it’s still a fucking full moon effect for some assholes tonight, isn’t it?

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I don’t know, but I find the full explanation for why someone is being an asshole refreshing. Leave no question.

But damn, Charles does have some mean powers!

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TedStriker  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:50:50pm

re: #314 bratwurst

Quite a coincidence you have to run after lobbing a turd like that.

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No shit…they’re acting like D_F when he cut and ran from discussions that weren’t going his way.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:51:25pm

re: #320 ObserverArt

I don’t know, but I find the full explanation for why someone is being an asshole refreshing. Leave no question.

But damn, Charles does have some mean powers!

But he only gets Republicans elected. That sucks, man.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:52:10pm

I’ll put up with a lot of crap, but that’s the last straw after a whole lot of deceptive right wing bullshit.

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TedStriker  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:55:48pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

I’ll put up with a lot of crap, but that’s the last straw after a whole lot of deceptive right wing bullshit.

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scottslemmons  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:55:59pm

Missed all the excitement, I guess. So I’ll just stick a picture of a sympathy card up here.

Instagram

They don’t make sympathy cards like they used to.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:56:42pm

re: #310 Interesting Times

I wonder if he doesn’t so much believe the shit he’s spewing as think it’s a great way to get attention e_e Concern-trolling is the last refuge of the irrelevant wanker, after all…

See: Meghan McCain has vaulted into the depths for $$$

That’s all they’ve got. RWNJ outrage it’s a winning money maker.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:57:10pm

I’m just trying to figure out what happened with him.

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2017 • 7:57:51pm

Questions and answers about Ivanka’s shoes on Amazon.

Question: Would these be comfortable enough for an all-day neo-fascist thought leadership conference?

Answer: Extremely comfy

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gocart mozart  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:04:11pm
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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:06:29pm

re: #327 retired cynic

I’m just trying to figure out what happened with him.

He actually explained it himself many times over the years: the number one thing he loves to do is bust balls.

It’s possible (but…uh…not super likely) people in his real life find that to be an endearing quality. Online, for a number of different reasons, it is not always appreciated. When someone doesn’t know you as well as you think they do, when they can’t get the visual and tone of voice cues, etc., when someone just isn’t in the mood…it fucking sucks.

There was a time a couple of years ago when the guy came in here describing some serious and scary life problems. He received nothing but 100% concern, sympathy, and brotherly love. One might think that experience would have shifted his thinking a bit. I honestly believe this is in like the 1% of internet communities in terms of the way people treat each other. It’s why I am proud to be a paying member.

I guess at the end of the day, he was not able to shift his thinking.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:09:40pm

re: #330 bratwurst

I remember, and I know he was always on the R side of this blog, but all of a sudden he seems to be more … aggressive? Beats me.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:12:14pm
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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:12:44pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

All you can do is gag and laugh!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:15:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:23:59pm

By the way, I have absolutely no regrets about exposing those fraudulent 60 Minutes documents. I didn’t do it to help Bush get elected, I did it because they were fucking fakes. I’d do it again with no hesitation whatsoever.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:28:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:31:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:37:51pm
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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:38:58pm

There are some people who just radiate untrustworthiness, and DT and Michael Flynn are two of them. Some are on the left. But so many just seem to be stationed on the right. Brrrr.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:47:46pm
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bratwurst  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:48:00pm
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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:49:17pm

re: #340 Dave In Austin

Oh, I needed that!!!

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scottslemmons  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:50:12pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

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I don’t even know how you come up with something like that. What motivates someone to get up in the morning and say, “Hey, I’m gonna introduce a pointlessly cruel law for no reason whatsoever! Just for the sake of cruelty! Ha Ha Ha Haaa!” You have to include the laughter at the end for the sake of Evil.

I don’t see what kind of motivation there is for that. I know cartoon supervillainy doesn’t really exist, but what other explanation is there for something that pointlessly sadistic?

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:51:21pm

re: #343 scottslemmons

“Christianist.” Sick.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:54:49pm

re: #343 scottslemmons

I don’t even know how you come up with something like that. What motivates someone to get up in the morning and say, “Hey, I’m gonna introduce a pointlessly cruel law for no reason whatsoever! Just for the sake of cruelty! Ha Ha Ha Haaa!” You have to include the laughter at the end for the sake of Evil.

I don’t see what kind of motivation there is for that. I know cartoon supervillainy doesn’t really exist, but what other explanation is there for something that pointlessly sadistic?

Because if you’re trying to enforce ‘natural’ birth control, you have to enforce ‘natural’ babies too. Duh//

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 8:59:00pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

TN bill proposes to classify children born via artificial insemination as “illegitimate.”

Conservatives are Royalists at heart, with all the blood-magic that entails.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:01:07pm

That SNL Fatal Attraction parody a few minutes ago was high-larious. The rest of show will no doubt be as funny as a rock resting on top of a stone, i.e., the last thirty years.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:01:58pm

re: #347 De Kolta Chair

Spooky.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:02:49pm

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fern01  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:04:00pm

re: #343 scottslemmons

I don’t even know how you come up with something like that. What motivates someone to get up in the morning and say, “Hey, I’m gonna introduce a pointlessly cruel law for no reason whatsoever! Just for the sake of cruelty! Ha Ha Ha Haaa!” You have to include the laughter at the end for the sake of Evil.

I don’t see what kind of motivation there is for that. I know cartoon supervillainy doesn’t really exist, but what other explanation is there for something that pointlessly sadistic?

They spend all their f..ing time legislating against women and their bodies while ensuring that their policies do nothing to help any living souls. And people keep voting for this sh!t - there is so much dumb and stupid out there - the mind never stops boggling.

Why is legislating around childbirth (or control of childbirth) a never ending event for people elected to GOVERN. I can only surmise their thoughts are 100% centered on sex, every hour of every day.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:06:08pm

re: #350 fern01

Women and children. Think of the mind it would take to let a grade school student get to the checkout of a school cafeteria, and then take their food away because their parent was late with a few dollars. It absolutely blows my mind. They can’t be fully human!

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:07:08pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

I will NEVER forgive that liar for being one of the ringleaders in the scam that torpedoed Hillary’s health care proposal in 1993. He repeatedly published those lies in The New Republic(an) rag.

Thanks to him and those other liars my parents went broke and when Dad died, Wells Fargo seized his house to cover the debts that were racked up over their medical bills.

Oh, and I also remember how Andy slobbered all over “The Bell Curve” and the racist slime that he pushed in TNR.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:08:12pm

re: #352 Joe Bacon

I will NEVER forgive that liar for being one of the ringleaders in the scam that torpedoed Hillary’s health care proposal in 1993. He repeatedly published those lies in The New Republic(an) rag.

Thanks to him and those other liars my parents went broke and when Dad died, Wells Fargo seized his house to cover the debts that were racked up over their medical bills.

Oh, and I also remember how Andy slobbered all over “The Bell Curve” and the racist slime that he pushed in TNR.

I am so sorry. There aren’t enough tears for that.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:12:50pm

re: #352 Joe Bacon

Wow, so sorry to hear about that. I’d forgotten about that awful bit of Sullivan fuckery, but you brought it all back.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:16:18pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

Charles, that was the SECOND time Mom and Dad were screwed. Remember when the original Prescription Drug assistance was passed under Reagan? Mom and Dad were actually getting help with their prescriptions UNTIL the backlash forced Congress to repeal that assistance in 1989. I still remember the crowd of affluent elderly chasing Rostenkowski out of a town hall and they chased him to his car.

People SHOULDN’T forget that this was the original genesis of the movement that killed Hillarycare.

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Anymouse  Feb 11, 2017 • 9:22:02pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

You’re in a deeply red part of TX - can you think of any message that could successfully peel away enough voters to make a difference? Or are they hopeless “GOP uber alles” types who’d excuse anything up to and including a full-blown kleptocracy?

re: #247 Belafon

In this deeply red part of NE, the message is more of a local one: Jane Kleeb is looking to run against Adrian Smith. Mrs. Kleeb is deeply respected here for the fight she mounted against the Keystone XL Pipeline on behalf of everyone in the state courts (hunters, ranchers, farmers, conservatives, liberals, &c).

She also gained valuable organisational skills for that fight, winning in state court showing the GOP Unicameral violated the state constitution by giving the state governor the authority to approve a route. Right now, the pipeline is a dead letter in this state. The only way any route could be approved would be if the Federal government somehow took state authority away for that, and doing that would go over like a lead balloon with the voters.

Democrats winning in deeply red areas of the country involves identifying the local issues that matter to the voters and making sure they understand who it is that is putting the screws to them.

You probably won’t get a whole lot of Republicans to cross lines and vote for Democrats, but you’ll get a few, and in a highly gerrymandered district like mine that makes the difference. Moreover, if the Republican voter decides that “they’re both the same” and simply chooses to stay home rather than vote, that works against the GOP as well.

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unproven innocence  Feb 11, 2017 • 10:03:24pm

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Foster the People - SHC (Audio)"SHC" is one of three new tracks from Foster The People's forthcoming third album out now: smarturl.it Get III on iTunes: smarturl.itSpotify: smarturl.itApple Music: smarturl.itAmazon: smarturl.itGoogle Play: smarturl.it Follow the band:fosterthepeople.comfacebook.com@fosterthepeopleinstagram.com
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Adam Savage: The Enemy of Science Is Bias Start at 1;40 in Video courtesy March for Science SF marchforsciencesf.com Adam Savage's full speech from the San Francisco March for Science on April 22, 2017. Find out more about the March for Science and what comes next at: ...
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Don Ross - a Million Brazilian Civilians (Solo Guitar)From 'A Million Brazilian Civilians' CDs, Guitar Tabs, & Downloads available: candyrat.com Buy/Listenitunes: itunes.apple.comApple Music: itun.esAmazon: Link: a.coSpotify: open.spotify.comTidal: listen.tidal.comGoogle: play.google.com Visit Don Ross athttp://donrossonline.com and facebook.com Dons plays custom guitars made by luthier Marc Beneteau
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South Korea rebuffs Trump’s $1 billion use-charge for a US missile-defense system Trump said that he wanted South Korea to pay for the anti-missile defense system, which he estimates to cost $1 billion, and also intended to renegotiate or terminate a free-trade pact with the country because of a "deep trade ...
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The Grifter’s Real Game? Psychology - Science Friday The grifter, the con artist, the flimflammer—the confidence man (or woman) goes by many names. But what the best of them have in common, according to The Confidence Game author Maria Konnikova, is an uncanny knack for understanding human ...
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Perception Scientist Says Reality Is ‘What Proved Useful in the Past’ Later in his explanation, he cites language as a clear example of something that’s part of our reality but only exists in our collective imagination. “It doesn’t exist without us,” he writes. “But it is very much part of ...
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STEALTHING: the Growing Movement of Men Who Secretly Remove Condoms During Sex Two years ago, a 19-year-old Florida teen posted a call for advice in the subreddit askgaybros. In the post, he said he met a guy on Grindr and went back to his place to hook up. When the guy ...
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Trump-Free Sunday Mornings-Daily Beast We think it’s time to go on a more balanced Donald Diet—call it a Sabbath for sanity. And that’s why we’re going to embark on a new experiment: Trump-free Sunday mornings. Barring major breaking news, for a few hours ...
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Video: John Muir - The Last Oasis John Muir - The Last Oasis is a short film directed by Michael Coleman a Martinez, California native inspired by the writings of naturalist, author and early advocate of wilderness preservation John Muir. Many of the locations featured in ...
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The Woman Who Saved Lower Manhattan From Becoming a Highway What makes a city? It's not the buildings (skyscrapers) or the streets (traffic), or the banks and government offices and shopping districts sandwiched between them. It's the people. This is obvious nearly to the point of tautology, yet in ...
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