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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:29:04pm

LOL: Normally I like to dedicate this part of the show on complex policy issues, like CO2 emissions from hearses… .

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:30:26pm

re: #1 Anymouse

LOL: Normally I like to dedicate this part of the show on complex policy issues, like CO2 emissions from hearses… .

The Richard Gere bit had me L’ingOL.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:30:33pm
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unproven innocence  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:31:06pm

Free online tutorials aimed at #45 —clearly this is a liberal plot.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:34:06pm
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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:37:23pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Heh. Looks what he does is just whack balls by the dozens out onto the fairway, then pick the nearest one(s) to the pin to hit on (and only take one stroke - per ball- of course)

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bratwurst  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:39:28pm
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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:40:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:41:58pm

re: #8 jaunte

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Yeah but he’s not an elite.//

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:42:51pm

JFC

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:44:40pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Presidenting by Committee, it’s the new thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:45:23pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

JFC

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Hes going to amend the Constitution to pass it down to her isn’t he?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:47:41pm

re: #6 Jay C

Heh. Looks what he does is just whack balls by the dozens out onto the fairway, then pick the nearest one(s) to the pin to hit on (and only take one stroke - per ball- of course)

He’s reportedly a flagrant and recidivist cheater on the golf course.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:47:45pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Unhealthy fat fuck.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:47:54pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Once again zero days from the last national embarrassment.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:48:34pm

re: #14 darthstar

More bacon-wrapped fried chicken.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:48:45pm

re: #14 darthstar

Unhealthy fat fuck.

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And the gold driver? Really? Insecure bastard.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:49:20pm

re: #17 darthstar

I heard Abe gave him a gold-colored driver. That may be it.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:49:43pm

re: #16 jaunte

More bacon-wrapped fried chicken.

Put him on a 4,000 calorie a day diet and see if he’d like to take up smoking.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:49:59pm

How do you say “He likes shiny stuff” in Japanese?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:50:18pm

It almost feels like we elected one of those eccentric dictators you read about. Even with Bush who definitely was an elitist, he still acted like an American president for the most part.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:50:21pm

re: #18 jaunte

I heard Abe gave him a gold-colored driver. That may be it.

I’m betting that wasn’t a practice swing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:50:36pm

re: #19 darthstar

Put him on a 4,000 calorie a day diet and see if he’d like to take up smoking.

Too bad he doesn’t drink.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:51:03pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

He’s reportedly a flagrant and recidivist cheater on the golf course.

Imagine my surprise…….

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:51:05pm

So Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev’s A319 airplane (M-KATE) keeps showing up at Trump venues, including Las Vegas and the Bahamas. It was just at Palm Beach while Trump was at Mars-A-Lago.

People have noticed….

H/T Adam Silverman, Balloon Juice

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:51:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:53:43pm
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calochortus  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:54:02pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Too bad he doesn’t drink.

Aren’t moderate drinkers healthier than teetotalers on average?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:54:07pm

More on Trump’s special Russian friend…

When traveling reporters arrived with Donald Trumpet his golf course in Florida today, they were promptly escorted to the semi-summerged “basement” floor — where they were then stranded in a room whose windows had been covered with black plastic sheeting. The message could not have been more clear: they would not be allowed to see whatever it was Trump was doing at the golf club. And that could be because he was meeting up once again with his favorite Russian oligarch.

At the beginning of the week, Daily Kos documented the curious case of Dmitry Rybolovlev, who has done multimillion dollar real estate business with Donald Trump in the past, and who seems to arriving on a private plane whenever Trump arrives in a destination city. For instance the two of them made a point of being in Concord, North Carolina at the exact same handful of hours, with no good reason for them both to have been there. And now, based on plane numbers and flight plans, internet sleuths now believe they’ve sussed out that Rybolovlev flew from Switzerland into West Palm Beach today during the time that Donald Trump just happened to be there.

palmerreport.com

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:54:39pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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So can we start using the fascism word yet?

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:55:49pm

re: #28 calochortus

Yeth.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:56:51pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:58:40pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Imagine if a Dem said something like this about Obama about a year and a half ago?

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:58:50pm
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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 2:58:51pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

He’s reportedly a flagrant and recidivist cheater on the golf course.

He’s not healthy enough to play 18 holes. My guess is he hits off the tee box and drops on the green if he doesn’t reach on his first fairway shot. If he played straight he’d be exhausted and hacking the ground around his ball by the 8th hole.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:00:28pm
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bratwurst  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:01:16pm

Hmmm…

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:01:59pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Wow, Mr. Johnson, you have over 573,000 upfists to your comments. Who’d’ve thought you could get so many if you run the place? /s

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:02:02pm

This is fairly amazing, really:

Ladbrokes, the British oddsmaking giant, has Trump’s chances of leaving office via resignation or impeachment and removal at just 11-to-10, or just a little worse than even money. The odds of Trump being impeached this year in the House of Representatives are only 4-to-1, according to the Irish bookmaker Paddy Power, despite GOP control of the chamber. You can win $180 on a $100 bet with Bovada, the online gaming site, that Trump won’t make it through a full term — though the bet is off if Trump passes away during the next four years.

Those odds are not particularly good for Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:02:15pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

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He can’t walk anywhere on the course, so he just stays on the driving range?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:02:26pm

re: #37 bratwurst

“Evaluating the situation” = Aides are attempting to explain it to him using small and simple words.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:03:09pm

This works with window glass too.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:03:16pm

re: #37 bratwurst

Hmmm…

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From the looks on the faces of Conway and Miller in that pic, I’d not drink the coffee in those meetings if I were Flynn.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:05:49pm

re: #42 jaunte

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This works with window glass too.

There were several people AT THE GODDAMN TABLE with mobile devices out. Someone could have had an open line to fucking North Korea.

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:06:42pm

re: #44 darthstar

All those flashlight apps.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:07:12pm

One of my favorite lines from the John Oliver clip is when he shows Spicer at a press conference and then calls him “Melissa”…

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:07:43pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:10:52pm

re: #37 bratwurst

Hmmm…

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Evaluation complete. We support Flynn and our Russian overlords.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:11:07pm

re: #46 darthstar

One of my favorite lines from the John Oliver clip is when he shows Spicer at a press conference and then calls him “Melissa”…

I loved that, but I think my favorite bit was the “And Now This” with Trump either not knowing how to shake hands or attempting to assert his dominance. Given what we know about Trump, I’m guessing it’s the second.

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weave  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:18:18pm

re: #39 KGxvi

This is fairly amazing, really:

Those odds are not particularly good for Trump.

So what are the odds that Trump makes it through all four years no matter what? I might want to bet on that happening. If that nightmare scenario actually happens, having a little bit of cash from winning that bet would help pay for the alcohol I’ll need to drown my sorrows, where if I lose the bet, I’ll be more than happy to let go of the money.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:20:53pm

Here Mr. Prime Minister…sit next to my daughter…

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:21:12pm

My computer is going haywire … needs a restart. See you in a few minutes, you poor devils.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:21:13pm

re: #28 calochortus

Aren’t moderate drinkers healthier than teetotalers on average?

Good point though I will say that Biden’s one too and in much better mental and physical shape.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:21:56pm

re: #37 bratwurst

Hmmm…

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Fuck, Flynn’s Russia contacts are probably why the Orange one hired him.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:22:59pm

re: #35 darthstar

He’s not healthy enough to play 18 holes. My guess is he hits off the tee box and drops on the green if he doesn’t reach on his first fairway shot. If he played straight he’d be exhausted and hacking the ground around his ball by the 8th hole.

I read something recently about him getting mad at a golf course reviewer because he didn’t put Trump’s score in the article. The writer shot back that their friendly game had included all kinds of do overs, giveaway short putts and other nonsense that would’ve made reporting the score a joke. Trump was reportedly super pissed off over that. He really is just entitled as all fuck.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:23:39pm

re: #51 darthstar

Here Mr. Prime Minister…sit next to my daughter…

…who is totally fuckable.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:27:58pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Good point though I will say that Biden’s one too and in much better mental and physical shape.

Yeah. I’m not sure if the teetotalers include people who don’t drink because of a health problem/previous alcohol abuse/some other difficulty, which would skew the results compared to people who don’t drink because they don’t like the taste of alcohol, or a religious restriction. Just couldn’t resist pointing out that it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad health move. :)

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:31:31pm

re: #56 MsJ

The whole family has no idea how to behave in public.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:32:10pm

re: #50 weave

So what are the odds that Trump makes it through all four years no matter what? I might want to bet on that happening. If that nightmare scenario actually happens, having a little bit of cash from winning that bet would help pay for the alcohol I’ll need to drown my sorrows, where if I lose the bet, I’ll be more than happy to let go of the money.

Ladbrokes has him serving a full term at 8:11 (you have to bet 11 to win 8). Paddypower has it at 1:2 that he’ll serve a full term. So, he’s still a slight favorite to make it through his first term, but it’s pretty close to even money either way.

(the links are in the original article)

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jaunte  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:32:28pm

“Justin, that woman on your lap is my daughter Ivanka.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:33:50pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I read something recently about him getting mad at a golf course reviewer because he didn’t put Trump’s score in the article. The writer shot back that their friendly game had included all kinds of do overs, giveaway short putts and other nonsense that would’ve made reporting the score a joke. Trump was reportedly super pissed off over that. He really is just entitled as all fuck.

He’s an overgrown baby.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:34:21pm

re: #57 calochortus

Yeah. I’m not sure if the teetotalers include people who don’t drink because of a health problem/previous alcohol abuse/some other difficulty, which would skew the results compared to people who don’t drink because they don’t like the taste of alcohol, or a religious restriction. Just couldn’t resist pointing out that it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad health move. :)

I’m not sure why Trump doesn’t drink but I know Biden doesn’t because alcoholism runs in his family.

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calochortus  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:35:51pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure why Trump doesn’t drink but I know Biden doesn’t because alcoholism runs in his family.

I think that’s why Trump doesn’t drink either.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:36:03pm

re: #39 KGxvi

This is fairly amazing, really:

Those odds are not particularly good for Trump.

In comparison to the last three presidents who all served two full terms.

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freetoken  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:37:26pm

To me the big question about this circus is what the Republican leadership is planning to exploit given the inevitable failures of Trump. They are using him as a snowplow right now, to introduce their atavistic agenda. But when the snowplow itself goes into the ditch they’ll have to ready to execute whatever plans they have immediately.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:37:32pm

re: #63 calochortus

I think that’s why Trump doesn’t drink either.

Yep. His brother died of alcoholism I believe.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:38:20pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure why Trump doesn’t drink but I know Biden doesn’t because alcoholism runs in his family.

Same reason; Trump’s brother was an alcoholic.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:38:27pm
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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:38:29pm

Random question that just popped into my head while thinking about the national security meeting being held outside via cellphone flashlight…

What’s the range on a decent listening device? Having a meeting like that outside, would a spy even need to bother hacking phones? Between a good long range mic and/or visual observation to read lips, isn’t that enough to find out information? Or is that too much TV/movie thinking on my part?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:38:38pm

re: #65 freetoken

I would assume they would join with Dems to impeach and take their chances with Pence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:38:43pm

re: #63 calochortus

I think that’s why Trump doesn’t drink either.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:39:29pm

re: #65 freetoken

To me the big question about this circus is what the Republican leadership is planning to exploit given the inevitable failures of Trump. They are using him as a snowplow right now, to introduce their atavistic agenda. But when the snowplow itself goes into the ditch they’ll have to ready to execute whatever plans they have immediately.

What I’m wondering is how they plan to distance themselves from him and how they think that will work. It’s a dangerous game they’re playing. PErhaps even more so than Trump’s end game.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:39:48pm

re: #67 Big Beautiful Door

Same reason; Trump’s brother was an alcoholic.

Yes, that’s right. Fred Jr.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:39:54pm

I’m back. Not sure what happened … it would appear my wife’s Websites are all down as well. Someone is conspiring against us.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:39:55pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

I would assume they would join with Dems to impeach and take their chances with Pence.

I’d assume they would give Trump a pass.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:39:55pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Notice that Mr. Souza’s avatar is a photo of him and President Obama. Can you blame him for subtly shade throwing at the barbarians in the White House? I don’t.

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:42:27pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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So, Obama could have let anyone in the country or let anyone stay.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:42:40pm

re: #51 darthstar

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

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Birth Control Works  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:42:49pm
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freetoken  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:43:51pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I doubt they are even thinking about the end game right now. Put simply, most of the Republicans know they can get re-elected doing almost nothing. Only a few Republican Congressmen are in vulnerable districts, and in the 2018 election the Senate seats up for re-election are dominated by Democrats already, so there is probably little chance for the Democrats to pick up a Senate seat.

Trump is going to have to get a lot of Americans killed or throw us into a great depression, for the electorate to change enough to turn Congress upside down.

Kind of depressing, I know.

But if my Facebook feed is any indication, the Trumpers are Trumpers still, refusing to come to terms with reality.

Maybe a few of the “libertarian” types now may realize that something like Trump is far more dangerous than any of those nasty collectivist liberals. I don’t know if that will swing any elections though.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

They threw together a Woman’s issues meeting with Trudeau. Ya know, so they could meet I’m sure.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:45:33pm

re: #69 KGxvi

Random question that just popped into my head while thinking about the national security meeting being held outside via cellphone flashlight…

What’s the range on a decent listening device? Having a meeting like that outside, would a spy even need to bother hacking phones? Between a good long range mic and/or visual observation to read lips, isn’t that enough to find out information? Or is that too much TV/movie thinking on my part?

A parabolic mic can pick up stuff from a long ways. There was no knowing though that the North Korea call would come in right at that time though.

In the meantime, WTF is my senator on about? Good to see that with the Republic possibly being spied on from within the White House, he has time to tweet this today:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:45:46pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

It’s not.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:46:07pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

So President Obama shouldn’t have been questioned/challenged either, amirite? LOL. Hypocritical to the max.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:46:35pm

re: #80 freetoken

I doubt they are even thinking about the end game right now. Put simply, most of the Republicans know they can get re-elected doing almost nothing. Only a few Republican Congressmen are in vulnerable districts, and in the 2018 election the Senate seats up for re-election are dominated by Democrats already, so there is probably little chance for the Democrats to pick up a Senate seat.

Trump is going to have to get a lot of Americans killed or throw us into a great depression, for the electorate to change enough to turn Congress upside down.

Kind of depressing, I know.

But if my Facebook feed is any indication, the Trumpers are Trumpers still, refusing to come to terms with reality.

Maybe a few of the “libertarian” types now may realize that something like Trump is far more dangerous than any of those nasty collectivist liberals. I don’t know if that will swing any elections though.

Yeah a lot of the Libertarians I know are regretting it but i doubt they’d ever throw their lot in with us. A lot of libertarians are too smug for their own damn good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:46:36pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Fuck, Flynn’s Russia contacts are probably why the Orange one hired him.

Manafort and Bannon…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:47:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:47:43pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Manafort and Bannon…

Bannon and Flynn are Russian for Damn Irish fool.

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freetoken  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:48:15pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

She’s her dad’s caretaker. Put simply, in the rest of the American life as you and me live it, an irascible and irrational 70 year old gets some younger people around him to make sure he doesn’t hurt himself or someone else, shortly before they put him in a nursing home.

In this case, it looks like “the home” is the WH.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:48:28pm

re: #42 jaunte

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This works with window glass too.

Laser mics aren’t that hard to make either. Here’s an Instructable that tells you how to make one for around $20.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:49:04pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Yeah a lot of the Libertarians I know are regretting it but i doubt they’d ever throw their lot in with us. A lot of libertarians are too smug for their own damn good.

Well, my wife did (that’s one Libertarian). We only need a few million more I guess.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:50:06pm

Why I posted the Beyonce Video Pt1 —

A pregnant woman on stage at the Grammy’s.

Groundbreaking.

And I am so glad it is Beyonce.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:50:20pm

re: #82 Anymouse

A parabolic mic can pick up stuff from a long ways. There was no knowing though that the North Korea call would come in right at that time though.

In the meantime, WTF is my senator on about? Good to see that with the Republic possibly being spied on from within the White House, he has time to tweet this today:

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Sure, there’s no knowing that the NK thing would happen, but with a dinner meeting between POTUS and the PM of Japan, you’d think there’d be somebody listening. Which makes the briefing/meeting even more stupid.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:50:38pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

The norm isn’t normal in the Trump White House.

Normal is not a word for anything associated with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:51:10pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I read something recently about him getting mad at a golf course reviewer because he didn’t put Trump’s score in the article. The writer shot back that their friendly game had included all kinds of do overs, giveaway short putts and other nonsense that would’ve made reporting the score a joke. Trump was reportedly super pissed off over that. He really is just entitled as all fuck.

Does Trump Cheat at Golf?

One morning in the mid-1990s, Mark Mulvoy was on the sixth hole of Long Island’s Garden City Golf Club with Donald Trump when the skies opened, and they ducked for cover under a nearby awning. The rain let up a few moments later, and Mulvoy, then the managing editor of Sports Illustrated, returned to the green. When he got there, he found a ball 10 feet from the pin that he didn’t remember seeing before the storm.

“Who the hell’s ball is this?” he said.

“That’s me,” the real estate mogul said, according to Mulvoy.

“Donald, give me a f—-ing break,” Mulvoy recalls telling him. “You’ve been hacking away in the . . . weeds all day. You do not lie there.”

“Ahh, the guys I play with cheat all the time,” he recalls Trump replying. “I have to cheat just to keep up with them.”

It’s a story that the current Republican front-runner hotly denies. “I don’t even know who he is,” Trump said when asked about Mulvoy’s account.”I don’t drop balls, I don’t move balls. I don’t need to.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:51:26pm

re: #91 Anymouse

Well, my wife did (that’s one Libertarian). We only need a few million more I guess.

I know. A lot of them though need to realize that their views of economics aren’t based in real life reality though. Of course, that’s why they’re libertarians, they don’t want the government anywhere in their life. I admire their consistency but I think there’s a lot of naivete that comes with the philosophy. I know they think the same about liberals too though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:54:22pm

Think what I remember hearing most about von Mises economics students especially is they’re all about their theories at the expense of real life observable data. I identify not only as a Keynesian because I agree with JMK’s theories more but because I think Keynes understood that economics was more than just about theory, it was about people. Econ is a social science after all.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:54:33pm

re: #80 freetoken

I doubt they are even thinking about the end game right now. Put simply, most of the Republicans know they can get re-elected doing almost nothing. Only a few Republican Congressmen are in vulnerable districts, and in the 2018 election the Senate seats up for re-election are dominated by Democrats already, so there is probably little chance for the Democrats to pick up a Senate seat.

Nevada is probably the most likely Democratic pick up in 2018. Arizona would be number 2 on the list. Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, and North Dakota are probably the most likely potential pick ups for Republicans; depending on who runs and how popular the incumbent remains between now and then.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:54:58pm

LOL how did they think that was a good idea? Clearly they’ve never been added to twenty shit-lists by some abusive fuckletarded anger bear.

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:55:02pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I know. A lot of them though need to realize that their views of economics aren’t based in real life reality though. Of course, that’s why they’re libertarians, they don’t want the government anywhere in their life. I admire their consistency but I think there’s a lot of naivete that comes with the philosophy. I know they think the same about liberals too though.

I don’t admire consistency for its own sake.

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KingKenrod  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:55:26pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

So why is Ivanka at official meetings? I only came here in 1995, but this can’t be the norm, right?

It’s not normal, although First Ladies usually have selected issues that they promote in a similar fashion, like an unpaid ambassador. I think this is similar. The real problem here is the Trump family can’t be separated from their own business interests and self-promotion, so their motives are always suspect.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:55:39pm

re: #80 freetoken

Trump is going to have to get a lot of Americans killed or throw us into a great depression, for the electorate to change enough to turn Congress upside down.

Kind of depressing, I know.

.

Bush got a lot of Americans and others killed and it didn’t affect his re-election, though Trump is no Bush. The R’s are expert at diversionary tactics with the short-memoried Americans. If there were a draft that sent Americans into combat, there might be an effect, but probably not.

On the other hand, a left Gingrich, someone who has an effective message regardless of its truth and who is good at demonizing the other side, could persuade people to vote D.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:57:40pm

re: #100 Belafon

I don’t admire consistency for its own sake.

That’s fair.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:57:50pm

re: #92 Birth Control Works

Why I posted the Beyonce Video Pt1 —

A pregnant woman on stage at the Grammy’s.

Groundbreaking.

And I am so glad it is Beyonce.

It is a beautiful performance.

Can’t believe Lemonade didn’t win….

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:58:35pm

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

On the other hand, a left Gingrich, someone who has an effective message regardless of its truth and who is good at demonizing the other side, could persuade people to vote D.

They definitely need to nationalize the midterm elections. It probably wouldn’t hurt if the leadership got a bit younger as well. But mostly, they need a consistent message and easily remembered issues that they can hammer Republicans on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:59:10pm

re: #98 KGxvi

Nevada is probably the most likely Democratic pick up in 2018. Arizona would be number 2 on the list. Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, and North Dakota are probably the most likely potential pick ups for Republicans; depending on who runs and how popular the incumbent remains between now and then.

The Dems are going to need to hold at least 3/5 those. Maybe more. What I’m going to be interested in watching is what kind pf people the GOP will be nominating. Our gubertorial race this fall is going to be very interesting.

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 3:59:36pm

re: #102 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think demonizing the other side will attract Democrats. On the other hand, Trump is taking care of it for us.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:01:29pm

re: #101 KingKenrod

Ivanka is not the First Lady though. I guess this doesn’t matter much in the long run. Just strange.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:01:31pm

re: #105 KGxvi

They definitely need to nationalize the midterm elections. It probably wouldn’t hurt if the leadership got a bit younger as well. But mostly, they need a consistent message and easily remembered issues that they can hammer Republicans on.

The key step is choosing a good party chair. ObserverArt sold me on the mayor of South Bend. Fairly young guy and has a good message. I do like the favorites: Perez and Ellison too but I hope to God it doesn’t turn into a Clinton versus Sanders proxy battle due to the fact that each staked their horse to Clinton and Sanders in the primaries. I respect both men but I’m really going to be disappointed if either emerges victorious and their support of Sanders or Clinton is used against them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:02:41pm

re: #107 Belafon

I don’t think demonizing the other side will attract Democrats. On the other hand, Trump is taking care of it for us.

They’re going to need to recruit good candidates in the states they need to win and the incumbents need to give their constituents a reason to vote for them.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:02:46pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:03:09pm

re: #107 Belafon

I don’t think demonizing the other side will attract Democrats. On the other hand, Trump is taking care of it for us.

But if the focus is on their plans to eliminate Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid and if all R’s can be painted with that brush — that could be effective, if done right. But if Trump is still president in 2018, I’m not sure what will be left of this country.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:04:05pm

re: #56 MsJ

…who is totally fuckable.

Why would Justin settle for Trump Steak, when he has Prime chateaubriand waiting at home.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:04:06pm

re: #108 Patricia Kayden

Ivanka is not the First Lady though. I guess this doesn’t matter much in the long run. Just strange.

I swear it’s probably this simple, the yam wanted his hot daughter to be photographed with the hot Canadian PM.

Trudeau was probably aghast the whole time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:04:41pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Another bad day for Lance.

Lance Armstrong handed defeat: a $100 million fraud case can go to trial

Has any American sports hero fallen further from grace? People never liked Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Lance meanwhile was an international icon and it seemed like everyone wore those Live Strong bracelets for a while.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:04:57pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

They’re going to need to recruit good candidates in the states they need to win and the incumbents need to give their constituents a reason to vote for them.

Actually — if people are angry enough — you don’t need good candidates; the voters must just want to throw the incumbent out

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:05:47pm

re: #116 Hecuba’s daughter

Actually — if people are angry enough — you don’t need good candidates; the voters must just want to throw the incumbent out

Well, we’re in a catch 22 since we have more incumbents than they do this time. In the Senate anyhow.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:05:56pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

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LOL how did they think that was a good idea? Clearly they’ve never been added to twenty shit-lists by some abusive fuckletarded anger bear.

I just checked which lists I’m on and someone added me to the following lists without me seeing it:

Dumb as Fuck
Stupid Ass Libtards
Shit For Brains
Moooslim Lovers

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:06:05pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

FYI the real trick to building a laser mic that works is filtering. You need to make sure your sensor is only seeing the reflected light from the laser. That usually means using an IR laser and a phototransistor with an inbuilt IR pass filter. You also need to shade the sensor from the sun/sky/ground/etc. That’s why the one the guy in the video made failed when he attempted to shoot through the sliding glass window from the outside.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:06:55pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

But if the focus is on their plans to eliminate Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid and if all R’s can be painted with that brush — that could be effective, if done right. But if Trump is still president in 2018, I’m not sure what will be left of this country.

That will kill them with all old people; the GOP base (if we can tear them away from Fox News). They will lose and lose big if they destroy SocSec or Medicare.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:06:56pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

I just checked which lists I’m on and someone added me to the following lists without me seeing it:

Dumb as Fuck
Stupid Ass Libtards
Shit For Brains
Moooslim Lovers

That’s definitely part of why I couldn’t do Twitter. I value my privacy that much and I wouldn’t want the Derplorables to harass me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:07:44pm

re: #120 MsJ

That will kill them with all old people; the GOP base (if we can tear them away from Fox News). They will lose and lose big if they destroy SocSec or Medicare.

To raise an age old question, how do we get them to value their SS and Medicare more than they hate Muslims/Liberals.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:08:41pm

re: #100 Belafon

I don’t admire consistency for its own sake.

I don’t either. Climate change deniers, for example, are pretty consistent in their denial.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:09:15pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Another bad day for Lance.

Lance Armstrong handed defeat: a $100 million fraud case can go to trial

I thought Lance had stopped riding for USPS long before he admitted doping? I took photos of him riding for Team Astana in the 2009 Tour of California.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:09:41pm

There was an article today or maybe it was yesterday in the Post about how Trump won in the country where Scranton is I believe. And I’m sad to say but I think we have been too hopeful on millenials not being like their parents and grandparents. Yes, a lot of people in my generation are forward thinking but as you guys know, we also have Stephen Miller, Ben Shapiro, Milo Y, CCJ, and so many others.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:10:03pm

re: #113 BeachDem

Why would Justin settle for Trump Steak, when he has Prime chateaubriand waiting at home.

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I’m sure he couldn’t care any less about any Trump. I was just saying what the elder Trump spoke with Howard Stern about.

Justin has far too much class to bother with her. His job requires he be Canadian polite to them. Honestly, his economy does to a certain extent, too.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:10:56pm

re: #105 KGxvi

They definitely need to nationalize the midterm elections. It probably wouldn’t hurt if the leadership got a bit younger as well. But mostly, they need a consistent message and easily remembered issues that they can hammer Republicans on.

I’m looking forward to seeing Jane Kleeb run here against Adrian Smith. It has been so long since there was even a challenger to our representative, to see someone who is respected across both parties and a wide variety of different interests for her stand on the Keystone XL might make her a formidable challenger in my uber-red district.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:11:07pm

Oh damn…I can’t even watch 5 minutes of some MSNBC shows anymore.

Tweety is talking to Christopher Ruddy from Newsmax about Flynn. WTF???

Former decent news meets fake news and tries to make news.

Off you go Tweety.

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freetoken  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:11:37pm

I have great doubts about the Democratic party making any great gains quickly, save for the above tragedies possibly caused by Trump which I listed.

Our society is really comfortable in some strange ways, with the current status quo. The recent election saw Hillary get a record number of votes and yes, she won by 2.5 million. But we should not overlook that Trump got a lot of votes too, more than his Republican predecessors.

Many Americans, especially older ones, are very easily scared, and of course demagogues know this well.

Note how easily Trump won Florida, a state where 16 years earlier in which Bush and Gore tied.

Trump played on the fears of older people quite well. Fear of strangers in particular, the other.

I don’t want to be a total debbie-downer, but I think we really have to know what we are fighting.

There are a lot of easy marks out there… I wonder what percentage of Joel Osteen’s followers voted for Trump?

Part of our post-industrialism society is that workers are not seeing a need to unionize, and in the 20th century it was the organization of labor that helped plow through the more progressive agendas.

Without that organized political force, now the Democratic party finds itself with varied “base”, widely scattered, that I label “We’re-not-Republicans” as the key characteristic.

Culturally, those of us in urban areas will continue to vote more progressively than the populace in rural areas. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Given the structure of the American state, with geography over-weighted and humans under-weighted, we’re pretty much ensured that not much will get done.

Until something breaks. Bad.

Then something will be done, but perhaps in haste and not well thought out.

My best guess is that the biggest risk is of a regional conflict somewhere in the world which we try to ignore until it is too late (an old theme.) Until there is another WWII scale event, we’ll probably just bumble forward with minimal change.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:12:08pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

The Dems are going to need to hold at least 3/5 those. Maybe more. What I’m going to be interested in watching is what kind pf people the GOP will be nominating. Our gubertorial race this fall is going to be very interesting.

That also doesn’t count some of the swing states up next year as well - Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin - which are all held by fairly popular Democrats.

Interestingly though, looks like there’s a poll out in Arizona (don’t know if the pollster is credible, and one poll, and all the other caveats) showing Flake losing a primary challenge by 7 points to Kelly Ward with 47% undecided. Might have to do a “way too early” page on 2018.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:12:18pm

re: #14 darthstar

Unhealthy fat fuck.

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The way I see it is either he’s hitting balls at the photographer or he’s playing right handed using a left handed driver.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:12:20pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Von Mises pretty much pulled his ‘theory’ out of his ass and he as much as admitted it.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:13:55pm

re: #129 freetoken

There are a lot of easy marks out there… I wonder what percentage of Joel Osteen’s followers voted for Trump?

I’ll take a gander & say 150%

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:14:08pm

re: #129 freetoken

Well, the Democratic Party might make some gains if it ran in every district (a theme I never tire of repeating). With 435 House districts, the party should have 435 candidates.

You can’t win if you don’t buy a ticket.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:14:47pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

I swear it’s probably this simple, the yam wanted his hot daughter to be photographed with the hot Canadian PM.

Trudeau was probably aghast the whole time.

In that picture with Evita sitting at the desk, if Justin leaned any further away, he’d fall out the window.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:15:00pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:17:15pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Hes going to amend the Constitution to pass it down to her isn’t he?

After the GOP makes him king he won’t have to amend anything.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:17:23pm

re: #132 Romantic Heretic

Von Mises pretty much pulled his ‘theory’ out of his ass and he as much as admitted it.

I told my wife I didn’t understand von Mises’s theory of economics, and her response was “what’s so hard to understand about it?” (She has business and computer science degrees, so maybe that helps her with it.)

My response was “what universe was he in,” and she threw a Nerf brick at me.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:21:50pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

I would assume they would join with Dems to impeach and take their chances with Pence.

I assume they couldn’t care less, and I believe the evidence so far is on my side.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:21:55pm

re: #134 Anymouse

Well, the Democratic Party might make some gains if it ran in every district (a theme I never tire of repeating). With 435 House districts, the party should have 435 candidates.

You can’t win if you don’t buy a ticket.

So are you going to volunteer for Jane Kleeb? Working for a candidate is a great way to bypass local and county party operations.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:22:54pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

To raise an age old question, how do we get them to value their SS and Medicare more than they hate Muslims/Liberals.

Take it away from them.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:24:39pm

Senator Mike Enzi claiming that his phones are jammed with out-of-state voters calling.

Does it occur to Republican senators and representatives that if everyone is calling everyone else from out of state, that doesn’t make any sense? (Why would I call him, for example, when I have two senators right here that are also claiming people are calling from out-of-state.)

Enzi also claiming he votes for policies that are right for his state, not blindly with his party. Last time I checked, he nearly always votes for his party.

(And Betsy DeVos doesn’t believe in mandating vouchers and understands frontier education? Gag.)

He sounds like he is talking to children, particularly his tone of voice.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:26:10pm

re: #140 BeachDem

So are you going to volunteer for Jane Kleeb? Working for a candidate is a great way to bypass local and county party operations.

If she goes for it, yup. Who knows? I presume she would campaign in this area some place if she is trying to run for this seat - she might even want the only elected Democrat in the Panhandle to speak with her. (On the other hand, if she sees a picture of me she might ask me to stay a hundred miles away.)

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:26:15pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This has never been about actual cases of voter fraud - ever.

The lies about “illegal voting” is about one and only one thing. Disenfranchising non-whites from entering the voting booths via using every method outside of outright violation of the 24th Amendment of the US Constitution.
This includes the repeal of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, as well as challenging the US citzenship of Latin-Americans as well as members of the Muslim faith (who they acually want to go as far as stripping these individuals of their citizenship).

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:27:19pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, since Sununu was the one who started the whole fucking thing in the first place, and got shot down bigly, it’s nice that he’s finally admitting that he was/is full o’shit.

On (ugh) the Howie Carr show, He then alleged that when elections in neighboring Massachusetts are not close, Democrats are “busing them in all over the place” and picking a phony address for people to use for same-day registration.

His eventual walkback was even more idiotic— “It’s more a figure of speech that people are coming over…

Sununu’s claim is ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire.

politifact.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:28:13pm
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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:28:38pm

re: #144 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

This has never been about actual cases of voter fraud - ever.

The lies about “illegal voting” is about one and only one thing. Disenfranchising non-whites from entering the voting booths via using every method outside of outright violation of the 24th Amendment of the US Constitution.
This includes the repeal of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, as well as challenging the US citzenship of Latin-Americans as well as members of the Muslim faith (who they acually want to go as far as stripping these individuals of their citizenship).

And if they can get Wong Kim Ark v United States overturned, so much the better - good-bye birthright citizenship.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:29:33pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perhaps Hillary Clinton would have looked better in that seat next to Prime Minister Trudeau. Then a woman would really have had “a seat at the table” rather than as a prop in a photo.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:30:36pm

re: #138 Anymouse

When I was reading in the RationalWiki about his ‘theory’ I was hearing Thomas Carlyle.

Doubt of any sort cannot be removed except by Action.

To me that’s what anarchy, I mean libertarianism, boils down to; removal of doubt. Being doubtful is uncomfortable and fear inducing. So a complete certainty, especially one that cements its believer at the top of the heap, is a great comfort.

It’s what makes anarchists, I mean libertarians, such easy marks. Play to their certainty and they’ll give you their first born. It’s why Trump succeeded as well as he did. He gave those voters doubtful about recent changes in society and economics a certainty. A certainty that had them near the top.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:30:56pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Has any American sports hero fallen further from grace? People never liked Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Lance meanwhile was an international icon and it seemed like everyone wore those Live Strong bracelets for a while.

Shoeless Joe Jackson. He didn’t get the shit sued out of him, but he went from being one of the most famous ball players to being banned for life from the sport.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:31:41pm
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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:31:41pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

But if the focus is on their plans to eliminate Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid and if all R’s can be painted with that brush — that could be effective, if done right. But if Trump is still president in 2018, I’m not sure what will be left of this country.

I didn’t mean to imply we couldn’t use their actions against them. We don’t need someone like Gingrich to do that is all I meant.

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:31:49pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Pete Rose.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:32:53pm

You know, back two or so years ago you could tell that the GOP passed out talking points because everyone stuck to them and it was easy to see.

I think they have gone from talking points to lying points. Yes, they are all on board yakking out the same lies.

One of the big ones going right now is this BS about who is giving Republican Congress members hell at their meetings. From paid demonstrators to out-of-state callers, it is all bullshit.

But keep it up. Pissing off your own backers is a key for a quick turnaround of the Congress. And even if some of the demonstrators are Democrats/liberals/progressives they are still their constituents. So piss ‘em off and steel them to vote against you and make sure they do turn up at the voting booths.

Overall, lying doesn’t make anyone look good in the long run. It just solidifies the thinking that politician can’t be trusted.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:33:14pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, of course he did.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:33:15pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wall St. just erupted in joygasms.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:33:16pm

re: #153 nines09

Pete Rose.

OJ Simpson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:33:31pm

re: #153 nines09

Pete Rose.

Tonya Harding

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:34:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:35:14pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Shoeless Joe Jackson. He didn’t get the shit sued out of him, but he went from being one of the most famous ball players to being banned for life from the sport.

True, true.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:35:21pm

re: #143 Anymouse

If she goes for it, yup. Who knows? I presume she would campaign in this area some place if she is trying to run for this seat - she might even want the only elected Democrat in the Panhandle to speak with her. (On the other hand, if she sees a picture of me she might ask me to stay a hundred miles away.)

You can do all kinds of work for candidates, even if they don’t actually come to your specific area. During the primary, Hillary only came to our county one time—two days before the vote—but people here worked their asses off—phone-banking, door-knocking, letter-writing, fund-raising—for months and months before the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:36:21pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tonya Harding

I don’t think Tonya was really as iconic as Rose, Shoeless Joe, and Simpson were TBH. She did have an ugly downfall for sure tho.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:37:17pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

Newsmax? Wow. When did we start taking anything Newsmax said as news? They’re no better than Fox News or InfoWars or Breitbart. MSNBC has just about collapsed (except for Rachel, Lawrence, Chris and Joy).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:37:19pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They spelled it right for the most part but you’d think someone would QC it. My boss quality controls everything. He would have noticed that typo immediately.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:37:25pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Overall, lying doesn’t make anyone look good in the long run. It just solidifies the thinking that politician can’t be trusted.

If Trump didn’t manage to solidisolidify fact all on his own (at this point), they (and we) are hopeless.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:37:47pm

re: #153 nines09

Pete Rose.

Never fell for me. BHoF is a shameless bunch of hypocrites with far worse players and people enshrined there. Charlie Hustle is one of the very few baseball players I ever liked. Him and Nolan Ryan. Weird? Maybe but what the heck.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:38:18pm

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

When I was reading in the RationalWiki about his ‘theory’ I was hearing Thomas Carlyle.

To me that’s what anarchy, I mean libertarianism, boils down to; removal of doubt. Being doubtful is uncomfortable and fear inducing. So a complete certainty, especially one that cements its believer at the top of the heap, is a great comfort.

It’s what makes anarchists, I mean libertarians, such easy marks. Play to their certainty and they’ll give you their first born. It’s why Trump succeeded as well as he did. He gave those voters doubtful about recent changes in society and economics a certainty. A certainty that had them near the top.

I followed up by reading their article on the Von Mises Institute. The way they describe it is a hoot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:39:27pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

I thought Lance had stopped riding for USPS long before he admitted doping? I took photos of him riding for Team Astana in the 2009 Tour of California.

IIRC, Astana was when he tried his ill-advised comeback.

He rode for USPS from his return to cycling after cancer treatment till his first retirement in 2005, and won his 7 TdF titles riding for them.

And, honestly, I hope the USG loses the suit. They were happy to look the other way while he was winning, and now they’re shocked - shocked! - to find that doping was going on.

And I’m really tired of the hypocrisy surrounding Armstrong. Yeah he cheated. So did a LOT of riders. Yeah, he’s an asshole. So are LOTS of riders. I guess it’s lucky for every rider who won multiple TdFs before 2000 that they didn’t have to survive this level of scrutiny.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:39:34pm

re: #167 Anymouse

I followed up by reading their article on the Von Mises Institute. The way they describe it is a hoot.

The Von Mises folks are weird. Lots of Ron Paul connects there as you kow.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:39:36pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great news for the little guy, assuming the little guy likes getting financially screwed.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:40:26pm

re: #134 Anymouse

Agreed. Perhaps whoever is elected as the new DNC head will figure out that running candidates everywhere (or just about) is the best strategy to win seats in redder states. At the very least, our side should force Republicans to have to defend their positions and spend some money doing so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:41:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:41:50pm

I think it really is vital that the new DNC chair look into recruiting candidates for as much elections as we can. Sure, some campaigns should and will get more priority than others but we should at the very least make it a goal to field candidates.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:41:53pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

You know, back two or so years ago you could tell that the GOP passed out talking points because everyone stuck to them and it was easy to see.

I think they have gone from talking points to lying points. Yes, they are all on board yakking out the same lies.

One of the big ones going right now is this BS about who is giving Republican Congress members hell at their meetings. From paid demonstrators to out-of-state callers, it is all bullshit.

But keep it up. Pissing off your own backers is a key for a quick turnaround of the Congress. And even if some of the demonstrators are Democrats/liberals/progressives they are still their constituents. So piss ‘em off and steel them to vote against you and make sure they do turn up at the voting booths.

Overall, lying doesn’t make anyone look good in the long run. It just solidifies the thinking that politician can’t be trusted.

The other idiotic thing is that people often have cell phones with area codes outside of where they live. Our women’s group phone list has about 25% of members with non-local area codes. (Tim Scott’s mouthpiece also bleated about 60% of calls to his office were from out of state.) They are all full o’shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:42:21pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey it does mean something to Trump. It just has a $$$$$$$ in front of it.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:42:48pm

re: #161 BeachDem

You can do all kinds of work for candidates, even if they don’t actually come to your specific area. During the primary, Hillary only came to our county one time—two days before the vote—but people here worked their asses off—phone-banking, door-knocking, letter-writing, fund-raising—for months and months before the primary.

Yup. This district covers the whole state from Iowa to Wyoming, from South Dakota to Kansas, and except for gerrymandered slivers in South Omaha and Lincoln, is very low population density. To win NE3 one would need to travel throughout the district campaigning. I presume a visit to Scottsbluff would likely be on her list.

That said, even if she didn’t come here I would do what I could (phone bank, talk her up, write the paper, &c). The problem you get here is “well, so-and-so didn’t even bother to come talk to us, why should I vote for her?” There was plenty of that with Hillary Clinton here (she only visited Omaha once 420 miles away).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:43:27pm
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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:43:28pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And…they misspell Colombia in the second line.

Edit—late to the party once again—but jeez. Hire a fucking proofreader.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:43:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:44:01pm

re: #174 BeachDem

The other idiotic thing is that people often have cell phones with area codes outside of where they live. Our women’s group phone list has about 25% of members with non-local area codes. (Tim Scott’s mouthpiece also bleated about 60% of calls to his office were from out of state.) They are all full o’shit.

Here in NOVA, we have an area code specifically for cell phones. And frankly Scott’s excuse is crap anyhow. He’s voting on matters of national importance. He shouldn’t act like he’s some state representative or state senator voting on legislation that only impacts SC. It’s so funny seeing Republicans who were elected by the TP mob of 2010 whine about actually being held accountable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:44:36pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

The Von Mises folks are weird. Lots of Ron Paul connects there as you kow.

The thing that bothers me about the Austrian school is their rejection of empirical observation. Absent that, you just have handwaving.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:44:37pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

53-47

That D-asshole from WV again?

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:44:41pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I think it really is vital that the new DNC chair look into recruiting candidates for as much elections as we can. Sure, some campaigns should and will get more priority than others but we should at the very least make it a goal to field candidates.

And some (many? most?) will fail as well. But you can’t win if you don’t enter. As for support, there are lots of things the party could do to support candidates that cost little or no money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:45:27pm

re: #182 stpaulbear

That D-asshole from WV again?

yep…Manchin

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:45:51pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

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What’s next? The Utasse? I know a lot of Eastern European ex-pats see a lot of these groups that collaborated with the Nazis as Anti-Communist nationalist heroes but as someone who had family killed by the Nazis in occupied Europe and whose survivors joined the Partisans, fuck this shit.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:46:26pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Tonya was really as iconic as Rose, Shoeless Joe, and Simpson were TBH. She did have an ugly downfall for sure tho.

Well, Curt Schilling would lead you to believe that he has gone from being the biggest name in sports evah to being ostracized and penalized for his politics (rather than the fact that he’s a gigantic asshole—oh, and he ripped RI and all of his employees off for beaucoup bucks.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:46:45pm

re: #183 Anymouse

And some (many? most?) will fail as well. But you can’t win if you don’t enter. As for support, there are lots of things the party could do to support candidates that cost little or no money.

That’s my point. Anyhow, they need to get people to see Democrats as not big city elites but as their neighbors. That’s why I respect the hell out of what you do in your village.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:47:16pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…Manchin

He sure is speaking for the little guy of West Virginia by voting to confirm Mnuchin!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:47:26pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…Manchin

Well, after all - Trump beat HRC by >40% there. People saying we should primary Manchin are basically saying we should give the seat to the GOP.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:47:38pm

re: #163 Patricia Kayden

Newsmax? Wow. When did we start taking anything Newsmax said as news? …

About the same time Jim Hoft and Alex Jones got White House press credentials.

Sigh.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:47:57pm

re: #178 BeachDem

And…they misspell Colombia in the second line.

Columbia? Perhaps they are just writing about one of more than a score of towns with that name in the USA. /s

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:48:24pm

re: #20 jaunte

How do you say “He likes shiny stuff” in Japanese?

“Bukakke”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:48:38pm

re: #186 BeachDem

Well, Curt Schilling would lead you to believe that he has gone from being the biggest name in sports evah to being ostracized and penalized for his politics (rather than the fact that he’s a gigantic asshole—oh, and he ripped RI and all of his employees off for beaucoup bucks.)

He brought all that on himself. Everyone knew he was conservative but he stepped up a notch when he showed he’s not just a conservative but a bigoted one too. It’s too bad because honestly for all my faults with him, I do know he does some good for ALS foundations but aside from that, fuck that dude.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:48:59pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

He sure is speaking for the little guy of West Virginia by voting to confirm Mnuchin!

They don’t care. They fucking LOVE Trump because he promised them they could go back to dying from Black Lung and mine collapses again, while poisoning their streams and blowing the tops off their mountains.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:50:01pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

That’s my point. Anyhow, they need to get people to see Democrats as not big city elites but as their neighbors. That’s why I respect the hell out of what you do in your village.

Well I try, anyway. No one’s tried to burn my house down yet, so I guess I haven’t upset too many people. /s

Maybe that release was about the late XIX motor car company Columbia?
en.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:50:01pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, after all - Trump beat HRC by >40% there. People saying we should primary Manchin are basically saying we should give the seat to the GOP.

Ayeah, that’s the long and short of it, it’s either a Democrat who votes like a Republican or an actual Republican in the seat. There’s no hidden vein of progressive liberalism hiding in that state. Byrd got away with some of the shit he did in late life because of years of good faith and the boatloads of money he brought to the state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:50:22pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, after all - Trump beat HRC by >40% there. People saying we should primary Manchin are basically saying we should give the seat to the GOP.

Giving the seat to the GOP…nobody will notice the difference.
Look for “blue dog dem” in the dictionary and Manchin’s picture is right there (it used to be Kim Davis, but she already switched to GOP).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:50:27pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

They don’t care. They fucking LOVE Trump because he promised them they could go back to dying from Black Lung and mine collapses again, while poisoning their streams and blowing the tops off their mountains.

It’s pretty amazing that this state once voted for Dukakis isn’t it and Mondale was reasonably competitive too. I hate saying it as a descendant of white working class people but that group has a lot of bigotry that Trump exploited the ever living fuck of.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:50:53pm

re: #195 Anymouse

Well I try, anyway. No one’s tried to burn my house down yet, so I guess I haven’t upset too many people. /s

Maybe that release was about the late XIX motor car company Columbia?
en.wikipedia.org

Nah, it was about the Grand Columbian Expedition. Just 123 years too late.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:51:35pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

Ayeah, that’s the long and short of it, it’s either a Democrat who votes like a Republican or an actual Republican in the seat. There’s no hidden vein of progressive liberalism hiding in that state. Byrd got away with some of the shit he did in late life because of years of good faith and the boatloads of money he brought to the state.

Rockefeller was there too for a long time. The thing is that state has moved to the right in the issues its electorate deems important.

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lawhawk  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:52:11pm

re: #25 Scottish Dragon

Anyone else want to take a crack at who the unidentified guy is at the table?

Is that Rybolovlev?

I’m asking because I really don’t know, but there’s something about the hair that seems similar enough.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:52:51pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #175 HappyWarrior

Hey it does mean something to Trump. It just has a $$$$$$$ in front of it.

I think the missing word associated with how Trump treats the Oval Office when he has Ivanka sitting at the desk, or Bannon dressed like a bum is R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

Trump has no idea what that word means. He hasn’t had a lick of respect for anyone or anything ever. He doesn’t even respect himself. He sure as hell doesn’t respect the America people.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:53:10pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Anyone else want to take a crack at who the unidentified guy is at the table?

Is that Rybolovlev?

I’m asking because I really don’t know, but there’s something about the hair that seems similar enough.

That would be my guess. Wonder why the media isn’t interested?

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:53:46pm

re: #176 Anymouse

Yup. This district covers the whole state from Iowa to Wyoming, from South Dakota to Kansas, and except for gerrymandered slivers in South Omaha and Lincoln, is very low population density. To win NE3 one would need to travel throughout the district campaigning. I presume a visit to Scottsbluff would likely be on her list.

That said, even if she didn’t come here I would do what I could (phone bank, talk her up, write the paper, &c). The problem you get here is “well, so-and-so didn’t even bother to come talk to us, why should I vote for her?” There was plenty of that with Hillary Clinton here (she only visited Omaha once 420 miles away).

That’s what surrogates are for. Candidates can’t be everywhere—and though I know you think they should come to really low-population places, it just isn’t always feasible. You could arrange a web-based town hall (since you have internet) and gather folks to hear her talk…or put together a bus trip to somewhere she’s going to be (I’m just thinking out loud.)

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:54:07pm

re: #203 Skip Intro

That would be my guess. Wonder why the media isn’t interested?

Let’s see… Access? Access? Oh, and Access and advertising money?

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:54:39pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Rockefeller was there too for a long time. The thing is that state has moved to the right in the issues its electorate deems important.

The state has moved to the right because the GOP has been lying to their faces for 30+ years now that the coal jobs will come back and West (by God) Virginia will be an economic powerhouse again if we just get rid of all them namby-pamby “Clean Air/Water” laws that the pinkos in Congress passed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:55:01pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Rockefeller was there too for a long time. The thing is that state has moved to the right in the issues its electorate deems important.

A 94% white state afraid of undocumented immigrants who don’t go there, Muslims who don’t go there, urban blacks who don’t go there, and terrorism that doesn’t happen there.

But they’re quick to tell people who live around immigrants, Muslims, and blacks, in cities that have been targeted by terrorists that they don’t understand the threat all those things pose.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:55:15pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Anyone else want to take a crack at who the unidentified guy is at the table?

Is that Rybolovlev?

I’m asking because I really don’t know, but there’s something about the hair that seems similar enough.

I don’t think it’s him. Thanks for the re-tweet though. Zip responses.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:56:06pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

The state has moved to the right because the GOP has been lying to their faces for 30+ years now that the coal jobs will come back and West (by God) Virginia will be an economic powerhouse again if we just get rid of all them namby-pamby “Clean Air/Water” laws that the pinkos in Congress passed.

Yep, no doubt.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:57:30pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Anyone else want to take a crack at who the unidentified guy is at the table?

Is that Rybolovlev?

I’m asking because I really don’t know, but there’s something about the hair that seems similar enough.

I wasn’t able to find anything to today, and I did a *lot* of looking. The only viable thing that I saw was speculation that it was a Japanese translator, provided by the US, for Prime Minister Shinzo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:57:33pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

A 94% white state afraid of undocumented immigrants who don’t go there, Muslims who don’t go there, urban blacks who don’t go there, and terrorism that doesn’t happen there.

But they’re quick to tell people who live around immigrants, Muslims, and blacks, in cities that have been targeted by terrorists that they don’t understand the threat all those things pose.

Shit even during the heyday of immigration, a lot of European immigrants didn’t go there. It just wasn’t a welcoming place if you weren’t a white native Protestant. It honestly saddens me because it is such a poor state and one that could really benefit from progressive legislation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 4:59:29pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

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I liked the TMNT one but this is good too.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:00:00pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

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“Wade, start the reactor.”

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:01:35pm

re: #174 BeachDem

The other idiotic thing is that people often have cell phones with area codes outside of where they live. Our women’s group phone list has about 25% of members with non-local area codes. (Tim Scott’s mouthpiece also bleated about 60% of calls to his office were from out of state.) They are all full o’shit.

I still have my Illinois phone number. It’s my only phone (cell, we have a Canadian land line).

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:03:44pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Anyone else want to take a crack at who the unidentified guy is at the table?

Is that Rybolovlev?

I’m asking because I really don’t know, but there’s something about the hair that seems similar enough.

I know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think so.

Seems too blatant, even for the yam—and I think the guy has a much fatter face than Rybolovlev. (Plus, I think if it were him, somebody in the media—Fahrenthold or the like—would have brought it up.)

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:05:17pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

I think the missing word associated with how Trump treats the Oval Office when he has Ivanka sitting at the desk, or Bannon dressed like a bum is R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

Trump has no idea what that word means. He hasn’t had a lick of respect for anyone or anything ever. He doesn’t even respect himself. He sure as hell doesn’t respect the America people.

Trump is vulgar. His whole family is vulgar. Even Ivanka, the princess with the cultured tones, is vulgar.

That is all.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:06:30pm

re: #210 austin_blue

I wasn’t able to find anything to today, and I did a *lot* of looking. The only viable thing that I saw was speculation that it was a Japanese translator, provided by the US, for Prime Minister Shinzo.

Same guy was at trump’s superbowl party.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:06:31pm

Stolen from someone on Facebook:

“Friend of a friend” was entering Australia, going through customs.

Them: “Have you ever been convicted of a felony?”

Him: “I didn’t know it was still a requirement!”

They eventually did let him in, but they were clearly not happy with him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:07:34pm

re: #216 BeachDem

I know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think so.

Seems too blatant, even for the yam—and I think the guy has a much fatter face than Rybolovlev. (Plus, I think if it were him, somebody in the media—Fahrenthold or the like—would have brought it up.)

and the hair is too dark and wavy. Rybolovlev’s hair is very short, greying, and straight.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:08:10pm

re: #204 BeachDem

That’s what surrogates are for. Candidates can’t be everywhere—and though I know you think they should come to really low-population places, it just isn’t always feasible. You could arrange a web-based town hall (since you have internet) and gather folks to hear her talk…or put together a bus trip to somewhere she’s going to be (I’m just thinking out loud.)

See, this is what party aid would do.

“Hey, state party, what can I do out here to try to gin up interest in our candidate?”

[send]

No response.

My whole district is a low population area, dotted with “cities” (anything incorporated here over a thousand people is classified as a city). Cities are classified here as 1st or 2nd class. There are three 1st class cities (Omaha, Lincoln, South Sioux). All the rest are 2nd class cities.

To be a candidate in this district really means campaigning all over the state. If Jane Kleeb just sits over on the east side of the state and has everyone come to her (Omaha, Lincoln, and South Sioux City are not part of her district except small slivers to screw up the other districts), then she isn’t going to get much attention.

Moreover, getting people on a bus to go four hundred miles to see her also means getting people to stay overnight, leave their jobs for a couple days, &c.

A candidate that will not campaign in the whole district here will lose. Period. The district is the whole state. From the SE corner to the NW corner is over seven hundred miles.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:08:12pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea

I don’t think it’s him. Thanks for the re-tweet though. Zip responses.

You should tweet Fahrenthold or Eichenwald (or fuck it, Teen Vogue) and ask them who the mysterious unidentified man in the Super Bowl party and the Japanese “state of Florida” dinner might be, and why is he not identified in any of the cutlines.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:08:13pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:08:23pm

Read this thread - still going.

Humanity is good. We are stronger than they are.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:09:22pm

re: #210 austin_blue

I wasn’t able to find anything to today, and I did a *lot* of looking. The only viable thing that I saw was speculation that it was a Japanese translator, provided by the US, for Prime Minister Shinzo.

Then why was he sitting between Kraft and Mrs. Abe?

And, what was he doing (if it is indeed the same guy) at the Super Bowl party?

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:09:27pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:09:40pm

Instagram

mobyafter spending the weekend talking to friends who work in dc i can safely(well, ‘accurately’…) post the following things:

1-the russian dossier on trump is real. 100% real. he’s being blackmailed by the russian government, not just for being peed
on by russian hookers, but for much more nefarious things.

2-the trump administration is in collusion with the russian government, and has been since day one.
3-the trump administration needs a war, most likely with iran. at present they are putting u.s warships off the coast
of iran in the hope that iran will attack one of the ships and give the u.s a pretense for invasion.

4-there are right wing plans to get rid of trump. he’s a drain on their fundraising and their approval ratings, and the gop and koch
brothers and other u.s right wing groups are planning to get rid of trump.

5-intelligence agencies around the world, and here in the u.s, are horrified by the incompetence of the trump administration, and are
working to present information that will lead to high level firings and, ultimately, impeachment.

i’m writing these things so that when/if these things happen there will be a public record beforehand.

these are truly baffling and horrifying times, as we have an incompetent president who is essentially owned by a foreign power. -moby

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:10:44pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the hair is too dark and wavy. Rybolovlev’s hair is very short, greying, and straight.

And his face is a lot thinner.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:10:50pm

re: #223 Kragar

His wife is better looking and her eyebrows match her hair color.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:12:18pm

re: #221 Anymouse

Don’t bother with the party folks. Once she announces, get in contact directly with her campaign.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:12:19pm

re: #216 BeachDem

I know I’m in the minority here, but I don’t think so.

Seems too blatant, even for the yam—and I think the guy has a much fatter face than Rybolovlev. (Plus, I think if it were him, somebody in the media—Fahrenthold or the like—would have brought it up.)

I just tweeted @fahrenthold (who follows me, btw - pats my own back) and Sciutto.

Maybe just an Eastern European Japanese translator. Who didn’t sit next to Abe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:12:35pm

re: #228 BeachDem

And his face is a lot thinner.

and the nose is different.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:15:09pm

Vote was 100-0

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:15:29pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

I just tweeted @fahrenthold (who follows me, btw - pats my own back) and Sciutto.

Maybe just an Eastern European Japanese translator. Who didn’t sit next to Abe.

Except, we’re leaning to it being the same unidentified guy at the Super Bowl party—so tht would make no sense.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:16:02pm

When Chuck Hasselbrook ran against Pete Ricketts for the governor’s office, he stuck to the big cities and apparently expected the majority of the state population to go over to the east side of the state to see him.

Pete Ricketts came to all ninety-three counties in the state campaigning.

Guess which candidate got the “he cares about me vote?”

Dave Domina running against Ben Sasse used the same strategy with the same result. Sasse went to all ninety-three counties, Domina stayed over in the east.

Nebraska Democrats have to get out of the mindset that the state consists of Omaha, Lincoln, and South Sioux City. The overwhelming majority of the population is in the rural low-density part of the state.

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:16:44pm

re: #234 BeachDem

Maybe he’s a translator who specializes in English to Trump-speak so the yam can at least pretend he knows what’s going on around him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:17:18pm

re: #236 Skip Intro

Maybe he’s a translator who specializes in English to Trump-speak so the yam can at least pretend he knows what’s going on around him.

Uses only the best, and smallest words.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:18:58pm

re: #230 BeachDem

Don’t bother with the party folks. Once she announces, get in contact directly with her campaign.

That’s probably the way to do it. But if she just sits over on the east side of the state, she will lose. The logic of the numbers of the population are inescapable. She has to campaign for all the votes. That means getting out and meeting with us proles out here too. The proles in the centre of the state.

This isn’t rocket surgery. Sure I can ask her campaign what would be helpful for me to do - but if she also isn’t willing to do it, “why should I vote for her? She doesn’t care about us. Adrian Smith came to every county in the district.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:19:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:20:31pm

On KQED this morning, David Frum was on Forum. One caller said the problem was that people talking about policy are using too many big words, and that when you use words like ‘Kleptocracy’, you leave half the audience not knowing what you’re saying.

I thought, “Great. We’ve so dumbed down the populace that we can’t even talk about the fucking fascist they elected using any words they didn’t learn by 4th grade.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:20:56pm

re: #235 Anymouse

You will get nowhere with your they didn’t visit approach.

Either you will help elect (work) or not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:23:10pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Just sit tight, guys. As soon as he signs the bills taking health insurance away from 20 Million Americans to give tax relief to the richest rich people in the history of the universe, we can start impeachment proceedings.”

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:24:45pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

On KQED this morning, David Frum was on Forum. One caller said the problem was that people talking about policy are using too many big words, and that when you use words like ‘Kleptocracy’, you leave half the audience not knowing what you’re saying.

I thought, “Great. We’ve so dumbed down the populace that we can’t even talk about the fucking fascist they elected using any words they didn’t learn by 4th grade.”

“Kleptocracy” is a word that is technical in nature (in relation to politics). Not everyone knows technical words. I would not expect the majority of voters to understand words describing forms of government with which they are unfamiliar.

How many people here, who play inside baseball with politics, were thrown by “kakistocracy” when it was first thrown about here (and kakistocracy and kleptocracy are even hit by my spell checker as “not words”).

Politicians or pundits speaking to “plain folk” need to use “plain language.” Government by thieves will work much better than kleptocracy.

I agree with the caller.

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:26:47pm

re: #166 William Lewis

Never fell for me. BHoF is a shameless bunch of hypocrites with far worse players and people enshrined there. Charlie Hustle is one of the very few baseball players I ever liked. Him and Nolan Ryan. Weird? Maybe but what the heck.

To each their own. I grew up being a Phillies fan. Died with them nightly as a kid in summers past. I don’t know if they win the World Series without Rose in the lineup. As a baseball player, he was all business, and played the game “the way it’s supposed to be played.” After all that, what he did in betting, and then being caught lying about it, was just what baseball did not need. He was doing what makes integrity vanish. It brings everything into question. Pitching changes. Injuries. Errors. Everything. So we all pick and choose. Me, I appreciate what he did for Philly, but as a sports “hero” or icon, he’s burned that card with me. IMHO, baseball sullied itself with the obvious look away in the age of steroids. Roger Maris had a damn asterisk next to his name forever. But juice and….. Hey, home runs are exciting, but if you were a student of the game you knew something was amiss. They knew. Put fannies in the seats. $$$ Baseball has always had cheats. That only made them more reviled or popular depending on who you spoke with. But to bet on games? As a coach? Player? Active? No. Nope. No HOF. No props from me. Just me.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:27:06pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

You will get nowhere with your they didn’t visit approach.

Either you will help elect (work) or not.

No. Candidates get nowhere with “they didn’t visit” approach.

I did work on Dave Domina’s, Hillary Clinton’s, and Chuck Hassebrook’s campaigns: calling, talking up folks, writing letters. Got the same answer as I noted above: Why should I vote for someone who won’t come see us?

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:27:23pm
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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:27:52pm

re: #234 BeachDem

Except, we’re leaning to it being the same unidentified guy at the Super Bowl party—so tht would make no sense.

I just looked at the SB party guy and the Abe dinner guy side by side, and now I don’t think they’re the same person—the SB party guy looks a lot older. Still don’t understand all the photos of both events with somebody being totally ignored in the cutlines.

Yes, I am a bit obsessed with this whole thing.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:28:42pm

re: #190 BeachDem

About the same time Jim Hoft and Alex Jones got White House press credentials.

Sigh.

So the Sandy Hook Truther is now credentialed by this administration. Says it all about Trump’s nonexistent relationship to the truth.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:29:09pm

re: #235 Anymouse

When Chuck Hasselbrook ran against Pete Ricketts for the governor’s office, he stuck to the big cities and apparently expected the majority of the state population to go over to the east side of the state to see him.

Pete Ricketts came to all ninety-three counties in the state campaigning.

Guess which candidate got the “he cares about me vote?”

Dave Domina running against Ben Sasse used the same strategy with the same result. Sasse went to all ninety-three counties, Domina stayed over in the east.

Nebraska Democrats have to get out of the mindset that the state consists of Omaha, Lincoln, and South Sioux City. The overwhelming majority of the population is in the rural low-density part of the state.

So gather some stats, go to the candidate’s campaign and share your info.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:29:31pm

re: #243 Anymouse

“Kleptocracy” is a word that is technical in nature (in relation to politics). Not everyone knows technical words. I would not expect the majority of voters to understand words describing forms of government with which they are unfamiliar.

How many people here, who play inside baseball with politics, were thrown by “kakistocracy” when it was first thrown about here (and kakistocracy and kleptocracy are even hit by my spell checker as “not words”).

Politicians or pundits speaking to “plain folk” need to use “plain language.” Government by thieves will work much better than kleptocracy.

I agree with the caller.

I think one can reasonably assume that the folks tuning in to hear ‘Forum’ on NPR can figure it out.

It seems to me more likely that the problem is that a lot of America really is too stupid to come in out of the rain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:32:32pm

Mitch McConnell never ventures outside of his safe spaces in Kentucky. His Democratic opponents visit every damned county.
McConnell still wins every time.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:35:22pm

re: #245 Anymouse

No. Candidates get nowhere with “they didn’t visit” approach.

I did work on Dave Domina’s, Hillary Clinton’s, and Chuck Hassebrook’s campaigns: calling, talking up folks, writing letters. Got the same answer as I noted above: Why should I vote for someone who won’t come see us?

Then hone your pitch—i.e. Is it more important that the candidate come to see you, or that the candidate is going to do this and this and this that will actually have some positive impact on your life? JFC—there are 325 million people in the US—candidates can’t go door to door and chat with each one of them.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:37:33pm

re: #243 Anymouse

“Kleptocracy” is a word that is technical in nature (in relation to politics). Not everyone knows technical words. I would not expect the majority of voters to understand words describing forms of government with which they are unfamiliar.

How many people here, who play inside baseball with politics, were thrown by “kakistocracy” when it was first thrown about here (and kakistocracy and kleptocracy are even hit by my spell checker as “not words”).

Politicians or pundits speaking to “plain folk” need to use “plain language.” Government by thieves will work much better than kleptocracy.

I agree with the caller.

I, too, agree.

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fern01  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:42:30pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, after all - Trump beat HRC by >40% there. People saying we should primary Manchin are basically saying we should give the seat to the GOP.

GOP are going to win it anyway. Only way Manchin wins is if he can get the republican nomination.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:44:54pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch McConnell never ventures outside of his safe spaces in Kentucky. His Democratic opponents visit every damned county.
McConnell still wins every time.

And in Ohio I doubt very much there was much campaigning by anyone associated with Trump in the eastern and southern areas of the state that pulled the win for him. But they do get FOX News religiously…and Christian and Republican talk radio too. Hillary was much more villain than Trump was a saint.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:59:08pm

re: #243 Anymouse

“Kleptocracy” is a word that is technical in nature (in relation to politics). Not everyone knows technical words. I would not expect the majority of voters to understand words describing forms of government with which they are unfamiliar.

How many people here, who play inside baseball with politics, were thrown by “kakistocracy” when it was first thrown about here (and kakistocracy and kleptocracy are even hit by my spell checker as “not words”).

Politicians or pundits speaking to “plain folk” need to use “plain language.” Government by thieves will work much better than kleptocracy.

I agree with the caller.

And refer to Trump as the “Thief in Chief”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:27:03pm

re: #142 Anymouse

One other thing to note-these assholes wonderful people are under the false impression that area codes are hard and fixed toa specific area-that notion went out the window with cell/mobile phones. For people with an out-of-state area code (like I have), the idea that my Congresscritter wouldn’t pay attention to my phone call due to the area code is disingenuous. They can ignore me becuase I’m against their stated position, but that’s a whole separate kettle of fish.


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