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Schweppes7  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:26:21pm

Relevant (and terrifying)

washingtonpost.com

“Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say”

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:27:52pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:29:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:30:36pm

re: #1 Schweppes7

So could Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:34:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:34:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:35:33pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:35:38pm

I continue to believe that Trump’s behavior since taking office, of trying to rush everything at full speed before he’s even finished seating his cabinet, is indicative of the knowledge that he’s working against the clock. That he knows something, whether it be his taxes, his business relations, or (in this case) evidence of collusion with the Russian gov’t was going to come out and it was only a question of how long he had before the other shoe dropped. I now strongly suspect that he knew Flynn was compromised, very likely is compromised himself, and his present situation makes jettisoning Flynn difficult because Mike may choose to turn evidence to get his ass out of the fryer.

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gocart mozart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:35:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:36:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:38:13pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:38:38pm

Hey, anyone remember a while back when the shemagh was referred to as a “terrorist scarf” or words to that effect. Can’t remember if it was Dana Loesch or Pamela Geller
Well, I guess ICE agents are now terrorists…

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:39:07pm

From the last thread, and I’ll wind up my little rant and get back on the topics being discussed:

re: #249 BeachDem

So gather some stats, go to the candidate’s campaign and share your info.

Well, first we have to see if Mrs. Kleeb runs (or if the Dems run anyone here). Mrs. Kleeb is now the state party chair so she may choose not to run (mostly it’s speculation at this point).

As for stats, they have the same population distribution figures I do (or they should).

Mrs. Kleeb was a Sanders supporter out of the gate and was all over the state for him as a surrogate (she came here). She understands how campaigning in this district actually works, so if she runs I suspect she would do the same again. (She was not a Bernie bro [broad?] though: when Mrs. Clinton put Mr. Sanders away she switched to supporting her, though she did not campaign for her as a surrogate.)

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:42:10pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:42:56pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart

Separately on Monday, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema granted a preliminary injunction barring implementation of the president’s order against anyone who lives, works or attends school in Virginia.

The Commonwealth of Virginia, which sought the injunction, is “likely to suffer irreparable harm” if the executive order is enforced, Brinkema ruled in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:43:24pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I continue to believe that Trump’s behavior since taking office, of trying to rush everything at full speed before he’s even finished seating his cabinet, is indicative of the knowledge that he’s working against the clock. That he knows something, whether it be his taxes, his business relations, or (in this case) evidence of collusion with the Russian gov’t was going to come out and it was only a question of how long he had before the other shoe dropped. I now strongly suspect that he knew Flynn was compromised, very likely is compromised himself, and his present situation makes jettisoning Flynn difficult because Mike may choose to turn evidence to get his ass out of the fryer.

I’m not so sure it’s him rushing everything through. I get the impression its Steve Bannon and Steve Miller doing the rushing.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:43:28pm

Trump crashing a wedding party at Mars A Lago and vamping with bridesmaids, other fucked up shenanigans all whole dragging PM Abe around.
heavy.com

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:45:44pm

re: #16 Anymouse

I’m not so sure it’s him rushing everything through. I get the impression its Steve Bannon and Steve Miller doing the rushing.

True, it seems as though the White House inner circle is thoroughly Balkanized. I suspect that the people presently supporting Flynn against the allegations are those like Bannon and Miller, while those pushing his resignation are the career politicians like Rinsed.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:45:44pm
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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:50:09pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

True, it seems as though the White House inner circle is thoroughly Balkanized. I suspect that the people presently supporting Flynn against the allegations are those like Bannon and Miller, while those pushing his resignation are the career politicians like Rinsed.

That might be why there is rumour that some want Mr. Priebus ousted (he stands in the way of Bannon and others). Reince Priebus is loyal to the Republican Party’s core principles and hierarchy. Bannon, Miller, SMOTI, Alex Jones, and other want to destroy everything they can.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:51:01pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:52:25pm

Note that the Trump admin never did respond to that tornado in Georgia a couple of weeks ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:53:19pm

pull my other finger…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:54:57pm

re: #22 Scottish Dragon

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Note that the Trump admin never did respond to that tornado in Georgia a couple of weeks ago.

this is fucking basic presidential stuff but it’s hard so he doesn’t do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:54:58pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:55:06pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Well, technically, “pro-Trump” and “white supremacist” mean the same thing…

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:55:28pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would pay good money for someone to ask Prime Minister Shinzo Abe what was discussed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:55:33pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah he’s a real regular Joe. //

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:55:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:55:40pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

pull my other finger…

Sean Spicer says no classified info reviewed in public view at Mar-a-Lago. Trump was briefed on N Korea in a room for classified briefings.

That would be the same Sean Spicer who said more people viewed the Inauguration in person than ever before? The one who said Flynn absolutely didn’t talk sanctions with the Russian Ambassador?

What good is his word?

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:56:41pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

this is fucking basic presidential stuff but it’s hard so he doesn’t do it.

And again, I’m guessing it’s people like Bannon and Miller who are ignoring the requests for aid in Mississippi and Georgia (majority African-American areas hit).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:57:14pm
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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:58:18pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon

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But the inclusion of Gateway Pundit has raised concerns that the Trump administration, which has called the news media “the opposition party,” is favoring outlets more sympathetic to its views.

Ya think??

Jeez—that NYT article treats SMOTI and his little sidekick WAY too deferentially. (At least they didn’t call either of them A FIREBRAND!)

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:58:44pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:58:45pm

re: #22 Scottish Dragon

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Note that the Trump admin never did respond to that tornado in Georgia a couple of weeks ago.

I’d been wondering about that. I’d kinda assumed the emergency declaration went through, just a bit later than anticipated. I’m actually surprised it never went through at all.

When Bannon said he wanted to burn society to the ground, it looks like he meant it. No money for disaster aid — it’d take too much away from the graft…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 5:58:58pm
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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:00:51pm

Comment thread on this is also good:

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:02:16pm

Read this thread.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:03:07pm

re: #37 Anymouse

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:04:19pm
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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:04:43pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Weird that the tweet uses a totally different (older and a bit more flattering) photo than the story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:06:00pm

good freaking grief…

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:06:08pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

It’s almost like every piece of shit called out here is being rewarded. When does this end, and how? NYT calling SMOTI a “pro Trump” blog is ludicrous. They should know better. If I can fucking google and sort the shit from the stink, I think they could. And they line up to get spat on. Gee, I wonder why? No teeth? Grow a set. Stand for something.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:07:21pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Hey Bros, still think Trump will be better for America than Hillary?

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:08:03pm

re: #34 Anymouse

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I don’t give a fuck if Flynn blew Pence in the Oval Office—talk about losing the thread…

the guy is compromised—and the yam and his buddies knew it and did nothing about it.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:08:08pm

re: #39 Unshaken Defiance

Rebrand Mar a Lago Fuckingham palace.

LOL.

I spent my whole career in the Navy working on ECM and cryptographic equipment. If I had even let someone near the publications, test stands, or equipment I would have been on a very quick trip to the brig.

How the heck does Trump, Flynn, and their whole merry band of cutthroats get away with everything from an unsecure cell phone to letting people take pictures during the Mar-a-Lago dinner with the Japanese Prime Minister during the breaking info about North Korea without frogmarching half the administration to Leavenworth?

(Never mind, I know the answer to that: GOP=Party before country.)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:08:11pm

Now we’re doomed to see a bunch of media profiles of Jim Hoft. Brace yourselves. It’s coming.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:08:24pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

At swearing-in for his Treasury Secretary, Pres Trump says Steve Mnuchin “will help ensure that Wall Street plays by the rules.”

“…by making the rules really, really permissive.”

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:08:40pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Hey Bros, still think Trump will be better for American than Hillary?

Wall Street came in it’s pants today.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:09:05pm

I bet Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy are just itching to get started on investigations into Michael Flynn and his obvious security breech he is even admitting he may have caused.

Right?

Right?

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:09:12pm

The Times should just randomly select comments from Hoft and Breirtbart and print them. Let everyone see what a “pro-Trump blog” looks like.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:09:22pm

Leaks be flowing like the Oroville Dam

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:09:45pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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nines09  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:10:14pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Now we’re doomed to see a bunch of media profiles of Jim Hoft. Brace yourselves. It’s coming.

I wonder if they will go the “misunderstood” route. JFC. And they line up daily to get pissed on.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:12:08pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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If the story by the Washington Post from late last week is accurate, then the timeline goes back further than mere weeks, and there is more than circumstantial evidence that Donald Trump either directly or indirectly (thru then-campaign manager Paul Manafort) helped coordinate and bankroll the Russian interference in our 2016 elections.

Enough stonewalling. This goes far, far beyond even what Nixon did in 1972 via Watergate, because there wasn’t an involvement of collusion with foreign governments.

Congress, do your damn duty and name a special prosecutor so that Trump has no power to interfere.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:12:19pm

re: #46 Anymouse

LOL.

I spent my whole career in the Navy working on ECM and cryptographic equipment. If I had even let someone near the publications, test stands, or equipment I would have been on a very quick trip to the brig.

How the heck does Trump, Flynn, and their whole merry band of cutthroats get away with everything from an unsecure cell phone to letting people take pictures during the Mar-a-Lago dinner with the Japanese Prime Minister during the breaking info about North Korea without frogmarching half the administration to Leavenworth?

(Never mind, I know the answer to that: GOP=Party before country.)

How many fucking times did we hear after last July some variation of “This sends a message that there’s two kinds of law: One for ordinary people and one for politicians?” The worst that Hillary was accused of was being so careless with her email server that a foreign government might have seen something of a confidential nature. Yet here we have growing evidence that a foreign government has compromised the highest-placed members of our intelligence community, and the same commentators of old are either silent or are defending them!

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:12:49pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Would that be the golden rule that “he who has the gold makes the rules?”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:12:53pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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His fucking girlfriend

He’s engaged to Australian actress Louise Linton. So far Linton has mainly played small roles or starred in low-budget horror flicks, but she made a name for herself last spring when she self-published In Congo’s Shadow: One Girl’s Perilous Journey to the Heart of Africa.

The book is a memoir about Linton’s time in Zambia, where she traveled to take a gap year in 1999 when she was 18. And just after it was published, it was uniformly shredded by critics for its “white savior” narrative. “She deploys, with maximum flourish, just about every lazy trope there is when it comes to writing about Africa,” a Washington Post reviewer wrote.

nymag.com

THESE PEOPLE

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:13:13pm

Off-topic:

Wikipedia says I should be driving my car in a city, not on five thousand mile trips across Canada, or our trip to Arkansas, or just running across Nebraska and back for a thousand miles.
en.wikipedia.org

Maybe that’s why I get a raised eyebrow from the Smart saleswoman every time I have her check out our car before we go on a multi-thousand mile trip?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:13:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:13:46pm

re: #31 Anymouse

And again, I’m guessing it’s people like Bannon and Miller who are ignoring the requests for aid in Mississippi and Georgia (majority African-American areas hit).

And they probably see California and think ha ha those dumb liberals.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:13:57pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Don’t forget the blown eye socket. It’s probably still up on his site.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:14:52pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:15:24pm

re: #55 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

If the story by the Washington Post from late last week is accurate, then the timeline goes back further than mere weeks, and there is more than circumstantial evidence that Donald Trump either directly or indirectly (thru then-campaign manager Paul Manafort) helped coordinate and bankroll the Russian interference in our 2016 elections.

Enough stonewalling. This goes far, far beyond even what Nixon did in 1972 via Watergate, because there wasn’t an involvement of collusion with foreign governments.

Congress, do your damn duty and name a special prosecutor so that Trump has no power to interfere.

This is actually every bit as bad as what Nixon actually did do, which was contact the South Vietnamese gov’t to tell them to back away from the peace talks in ‘68, because he was promising them a much sweeter deal if he got elected. LBJ knew about it all, he was absolutely furious about it, but for the good of the nation he kept quiet and allowed Humphrey to get ratfucked into oblivion.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:15:41pm

re: #55 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

If the story by the Washington Post from late last week is accurate, then the timeline goes back further than mere weeks, and there is more than circumstantial evidence that Donald Trump either directly or indirectly (thru then-campaign manager Paul Manafort) helped coordinate and bankroll the Russian interference in our 2016 elections.

Enough stonewalling. This goes far, far beyond even what Nixon did in 1972 via Watergate, because there wasn’t an involvement of collusion with foreign governments.

Congress, do your damn duty and name a special prosecutor so that Trump has no power to interfere.

Timeline

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:16:25pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

This is actually every bit as bad as what Nixon actually did do, which was contact the South Vietnamese gov’t to tell them to back away from the peace talks in ‘68, because he was promising them a much sweeter deal if he got elected. LBJ knew about it all, he was absolutely furious about it, but for the good of the nation he kept quiet and allowed Humphrey to get ratfucked into oblivion.

Not to play conspiracy theorist but between this and what’s happened here, is it really so crazy to believe that the infamous Reagan October Surprise of 1980 happened?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:17:17pm

Flynn fucking railed against Clinton and angrily chastized her at the RNC while he did far worst stuff. Fuck Flynn. He’s a fucking Putin pawn.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:17:59pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Now we’re doomed to see a bunch of media profiles of Jim Hoft. Brace yourselves. It’s coming.

You and Rebecca Schoenkopf need to double-team with info—between the two of you, I believe you have records of every SMOTI idiocy.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:18:13pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

This is actually every bit as bad as what Nixon actually did do, which was contact the South Vietnamese gov’t to tell them to back away from the peace talks in ‘68, because he was promising them a much sweeter deal if he got elected. LBJ knew about it all, he was absolutely furious about it, but for the good of the nation he kept quiet and allowed Humphrey to get ratfucked into oblivion.

And when Nixon got in office, he opened his secret war in Cambodia and my father was killed there.

I have not been a fan of Republicans since I was seven.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:19:01pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

I bet Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy are just itching to get started on investigations into Michael Flynn and his obvious security breech he is even admitting he may have caused.

Right?

Right?

Trey’s getting ready for his closeup (word is, he’s in line for a federal judgeship. Scary enough for you yet?)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:19:38pm

re: #68 BeachDem

You and Rebecca Schoenkopf need to double-team with info—between the two of you, I believe you have records of every SMOTI idiocy.

The cream of the crop was Jim’s infamous University of Iowa Darren Wilson head fracture photo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:20:20pm

re: #70 BeachDem

Trey’s getting ready for his closeup (word is, he’s in line for a federal judgeship. Scary enough for you yet?)

Which means he’s probably coming to a Supreme Court near you. Those federal judgeships are the minor leagues for Supreme Court judges.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:21:18pm

Feel a bit bittersweet, my niece isn’t likely visiting us this summer. Haven’t seen her in six months. Thank goodness for facetime.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:22:40pm

Now they are screwing with native born Americans at the border. Yes, more than they used to.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:23:21pm

You know, not to disrespect the good people of Flyoverland who voted for this asshole, but seriously - all the shit that’s been happening for the last 3+ weeks since the inauguration is all stuff people said would happen. The corruption; the total abandonment of ‘fighting for the little guy’; the stupid, lurching foreign policy; the astonishingly bad management of the Executive Branch - all of it predictable, and predicted. They voted for him anyway, because he promised them he’d bring back the 1950s.

Maybe we used words that were too big for them. Maybe we were insufficiently understanding of their plight. Maybe we didn’t spend enough time in their districts.

Or maybe, just maybe they’re just really dumb, and gullible, and easily fooled by a bright, shiny object. They’re like toddlers - you can tell ‘em that the stove is hot, but they JUST HAD TO touch the fucking stove.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:23:50pm

Unfortunately, Flynn is never going be indicted under the Logan Act. It’s never been enforced and there’s no precedent for it. It’s a relic from another time. We’re in a world of hurt, with no safe refuge and no laws to guide us.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:24:03pm

re: #74 Unshaken Defiance

Now they are screwing with native born Americans at the border. Yes, more than they used to.
littlegreenfootballs.com

And that’s why I worry about my niece. She’s American born but she’s also half Hispanic so the bigoted pricks may have a problem with her.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:24:42pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, Flynn is never going be indicted under the Logan Act. It’s never been enforced and there’s no precedent for it. It’s a relic from another time. We’re in a world of hurt, with no safe refuge and no laws to guide us.

About the best we can hope for is that the stink gets so heavy that he’s forced to resign. But even that assumes that the media doesn’t just find a new shiny thing and move on.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:24:44pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

This is actually every bit as bad as what Nixon actually did do, which was contact the South Vietnamese gov’t to tell them to back away from the peace talks in ‘68, because he was promising them a much sweeter deal if he got elected. LBJ knew about it all, he was absolutely furious about it, but for the good of the nation he kept quiet and allowed Humphrey to get ratfucked into oblivion.

I was only referring to the Watergate break-ins of the DNC and subsequent coverup, which was a direct criminal act against his political opponent. Things like Laos/Cambodia, and the 1968 Vietnamese peace talks were slimy as hell, but the legalities were ambiguous, and arguments could be made that they didn’t have a direct impact on Election Day. Watergate and the Trump/Russia election hacks on the other hand did have a direct effect.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:26:23pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, not to disrespect the good people of Flyoverland who voted for this asshole, but seriously - all the shit that’s been happening for the last 3+ weeks since the inauguration is all stuff people said would happen. The corruption; the total abandonment of ‘fighting for the little guy’; the stupid, lurching foreign policy; the astonishingly bad management of the Executive Branch - all of it predictable, and predicted. They voted for him anyway, because he promised them he’d bring back the 1950s.

Maybe we used words that were too big for them. Maybe we were insufficiently understanding of their plight. Maybe we didn’t spend enough time in their districts.

Or maybe, just maybe they’re just really dumb, and gullible, and easily fooled by a bright, shiny object. They’re like toddlers - you can tell ‘em that the stove is hot, but they JUST HAD TO touch the fucking stove.

Or maybe we have no media other than that which supports Republicans. No Internet service. No television or cable. No candidates campaigning.

Nah, that couldn’t be it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:27:01pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, not to disrespect the good people of Flyoverland who voted for this asshole, but seriously - all the shit that’s been happening for the last 3+ weeks since the inauguration is all stuff people said would happen. The corruption; the total abandonment of ‘fighting for the little guy’; the stupid, lurching foreign policy; the astonishingly bad management of the Executive Branch - all of it predictable, and predicted. They voted for him anyway, because he promised them he’d bring back the 1950s.

Maybe we used words that were too big for them. Maybe we were insufficiently understanding of their plight. Maybe we didn’t spend enough time in their districts.

Or maybe, just maybe they’re just really dumb, and gullible, and easily fooled by a bright, shiny object. They’re like toddlers - you can tell ‘em that the stove is hot, but they JUST HAD TO touch the fucking stove.

At the risk of sounding like a snob I agree. I’m sorry but we did warn them. We did try to tell them that Trump was a walking disaster. We did try to tell them that Trump wasn’t going to bring back their jobs. And they treated us like snobs. Yes, I’m from a well to do family but you know what, goddamn it, they’re the not the only ones who have been less well off. My own father had to declare bankruptcy when I was a kid. I saw first hand how tough the economy can be to a small business owner. Yes, I have a college degree, yes, I value cultural diversity but an elite? Nope.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:29:14pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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He’s not lying Sleuth. They are just going to have one rule all the bankers can follow.

Rule #1.There are no rules.

See easy. 100% compliance.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:29:34pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

At the risk of sounding like a snob I agree. I’m sorry but we did warn them. We did try to tell them that Trump was a walking disaster. We did try to tell them that Trump wasn’t going to bring back their jobs. And they treated us like snobs. Yes, I’m from a well to do family but you know what, goddamn it, they’re the not the only ones who have been less well off. My own father had to declare bankruptcy when I was a kid. I saw first hand how tough the economy can be to a small business owner. Yes, I have a college degree, yes, I value cultural diversity but an elite? Nope.

Nope. You weren’t here. You didn’t campaign or send surrogates. You didn’t do diddly to win an election in a rural area. Period.

The majority of my town’s adults have college degrees. I am in the minority with only a high school diploma.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:30:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:30:36pm

Rep. Justin Humphrey, District 19, Oklahoma House of Representative

“…Humphrey told The Intercept if a woman is “irresponsible” by having sex, then her body is not her own and is merely a “host” to pregnancy…”

CAPITOL ADDRESS:
2300 N. Lincoln Blvd.
Room 329B
Oklahoma City, OK 73105
[no phone numbers allowed]
LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT:
LaToya Alexander
[no phone numbers allowed]

No email address, but at the link posted above the tweet, there is a link to send him an email. Also, the two phone numbers that can’t be shown here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:31:18pm

re: #83 Anymouse

Nope. You weren’t here. You didn’t campaign or send surrogates. You didn’t do diddly to win an election in a rural area. Period.

The majority of my town’s adults have college degrees. I am in the minority with only a high school diploma.

FFS man stop acting like you’re the only one who lives in a red area. My state senator wrote a love letter to Al-Assad. My state delegate is a Tea Partier. I have neighbors that believe Hillary should have been locked up. I’m some elite. Yeah, I have a college degree but guess what, I’ve struggled just as much if not more than these people.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:33:49pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

Mucho upding.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:33:54pm

re: #80 Anymouse

Or maybe we have no media other than that which supports Republicans. No Internet service. No television or cable. No candidates campaigning.

Nah, that couldn’t be it.

It may not reach the farthest flung places, but cable news actually did cover a fair amount of this. And it’s not all remotest Nebraska. Lots of people who have access to the same stuff we get in the Big City. And they voted for him.

This is why it’s so important to understand the simple fact that pretty much everyone who voted for him knew all about his racism, his Islamophobia, his bragging about sexual assault, his serial adultery, his loss of $1Billion of other people’s money that he wrote off on his own taxes.

They knew all that, and they voted for him anyway. At what point do we accept that they’re responsible for their own votes, and that maybe, just maybe, they really wanted a racist, misogynist, Islamophobic con man for President, and that’s why we lost. Because maybe the good people of Flyoverland really aren’t such good people.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:34:54pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

FFS man stop acting like you’re the only one who lives in a red area. My state senator wrote a love letter to Al-Assad. My state delegate is a Tea Partier. I have neighbors that believe Hillary should have been locked up. I’m some elite. Yeah, I have a college degree but guess what, I’ve struggled just as much if not more than these people.

And I was a homeless vet. For eleven years.

Hillary Clinton came to the state once. Omaha. The minority part of the state.

Dave Heineman and Pete Ricketts campaigned in every county for Trump. All ninety-three. Regardless of the population (Arthur County got a visit from both, with a population of five hundred.)

MT, ID, ND, SD, UT, NE, KS, WI, MI, KY, &c &c keep counting those electoral votes that aren’t worth campaigning for.

Unless and until the Electoral College is changed, states matter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:35:15pm

Sorry AM but there are a lot of really ignorant people out there and it’s not the Democratic Party’s fault that these people would probably literally vote for a piece of a shit if it had a R next to its name. Your district probably gone Democratic maybe twice in its history. It’s a bright red Republican area. And guess what? Until 2008, my state had only gone Democratic once in my parents life and we had a senator who called an Indian-American kid a macaca. Virginia became a purple blue state by people working their asses from within to change it and by being a more inclusive place for people of all cultural backgrounds. We didn’t regress. Nope, we embraced those who were different than us. My brother’s wife is a Peruvian immigrant. My boss is from Iran. That’s America. The so called heartland wants to consider themselves “real America” but the fact of the matter is the closest thing to real America is in those blue areas. Areas that resemble what our country has become.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:35:23pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:35:45pm

re: #83 Anymouse

………

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:36:29pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Hey Bros, still think Trump will be better for America than Hillary?

I bet more than a few will still say this Trump corruption is needed so the path to the New Enlightenment through liberal progression will be forthcoming.

It is a safe space. I saw one far lefty on a forum say he hoped the Democrats didn’t play the same type of obstruction games the Republicans played on Obama. And if they do, you might as well keep electing Republicans.

He also earlier said Obama was just another bought and paid for capitalist centrist like a Republican. So they did all the obstructing against one of their own. Must be some new form of political theater.

How the hell do you even begin to build a reasonable argument and debate that kind of special political needs thinking?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:36:43pm

Not this shit again.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:37:39pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Sorry AM but there are a lot of really ignorant people out there and it’s not the Democratic Party’s fault that these people would probably literally vote for a piece of a shit if it had a R next to its name. Your district probably gone Democratic maybe twice in its history. It’s a bright red Republican area. And guess what? Until 2008, my state had only gone Democratic once in my parents life and we had a senator who called an Indian-American kid a macaca. Virginia became a purple blue state by people working their asses from within to change it and by being a more inclusive place for people of all cultural backgrounds. We didn’t regress. Nope, we embraced those who were different than us. My brother’s wife is a Peruvian immigrant. My boss is from Iran. That’s America. The so called heartland wants to consider themselves “real America” but the fact of the matter is the closest thing to real America is in those blue areas. Areas that resemble what our country has become.

Interestingly, we had a Democratic rep in NE2. He was defeated in 2014 because the Democratic Party didn’t bother to support his campaign. NE2 now has a wingnut.

NE2’s electoral vote went to Obama in 2008.

Campaigning matters. The majority of the voters do not have cable service in this state.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:37:51pm

re: #89 Anymouse

And I was a homeless vet. For eleven years.

Hillary Clinton came to the state once. Omaha. The minority part of the state.

Dave Heineman and Pete Ricketts campaigned in every county for Trump. All ninety-three. Regardless of the population (Arthur County got a visit from both, with a population of five hundred.)

MT, ID, ND, SD, UT, NE, KS, WI, MI, KY, &c &c keep counting those electoral votes that aren’t worth campaigning for.

Unless and until the Electoral College is changed, states matter.

Goddamn it dude, did I ever say those states didn’t matter and that we should just ignore them? No, I didn’t. I just said a lot of the people there vote Republican because of their ignorance. And damn it, it’s true. Please stop acting like you’re the only one here who lives in a bright red area of a bright red state. Yes, my state is purple but my area is pretty damn red. I wasn’t trying to start a comparision about who’s suffered more but my point is those under/unemployed people in these states aren’t the only ones who suffered. Yes, I have a degree. I also get the shitty end of the stick a lot when it comes to employment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:37:58pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Not this shit again.

This is The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:38:34pm

re: #89 Anymouse

Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and others came to Kentucky individually several times.
It didn’t make a damned lick of difference.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:38:58pm

re: #95 Anymouse

Interestingly, we had a Democratic rep in NE2. He was defeated in 2014 because the Democratic Party didn’t bother to support his campaign. NE2 now has a wingnut.

NE2’s electoral vote went to Obama in 2008.

Campaigning matters. The majority of the voters do not have cable service in this state.

Until I see your paper that you are working on a campaign, your complaints are just that. Complaints on a blog.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:39:05pm

re: #95 Anymouse

Interestingly, we had a Democratic rep in NE2. He was defeated in 2014 because the Democratic Party didn’t bother to support his campaign. NE2 now has a wingnut.

NE2’s electoral vote went to Obama in 2008.

Campaigning matters. The majority of the voters do not have cable service in this state.

Where’d they learn about Trump, then?

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petesh  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:39:05pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

This is The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

I’m waiting for Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:39:34pm

re: #95 Anymouse

Interestingly, we had a Democratic rep in NE2. He was defeated in 2014 because the Democratic Party didn’t bother to support his campaign. NE2 now has a wingnut.

NE2’s electoral vote went to Obama in 2008.

Campaigning matters. The majority of the voters do not have cable service in this state.

I didn’t say it didn’t matter. Campaigning does certainly matter but tell me, when’s the last time Nebraska actually had Dems for consecutive house terms? It’s certainly possible that Dem elected was a blurb just like when Joseph Cao won William Jefferson’s seat in New Orleans.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:39:45pm

McGahn is the White House Counsel
I’m guessing SAO is Senior Administration Official

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:02pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

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While Dmitry Rybolovlev was busy ferrying hookers, cash and ???? to Trump wherever the fuck he happened to be in the world…

I mean…fucking Concord, NC? Dmitry Rybolovlev shows up in Concord, NC the same time as Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:13pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Not this shit again.

Sorry Frank. I’ll stop. It’s just that I do certainly feel that there is ignorance out in so called “real America” and a lot of it is self inflicted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:40pm

re: #101 petesh

I’m waiting for Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

Next week: Battle For Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again!!

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:47pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Goddamn it dude, did I ever say those states didn’t matter and that we should just ignore them? No, I didn’t. I just said a lot of the people there vote Republican because of their ignorance. And damn it, it’s true. Please stop acting like you’re the only one here who lives in a bright red area of a bright red state. Yes, my state is purple but my area is pretty damn red. I wasn’t trying to start a comparision about who’s suffered more but my point is those under/unemployed people in these states aren’t the only ones who suffered. Yes, I have a degree. I also get the shitty end of the stick a lot when it comes to employment.

And yet, the Democrats did exactly that (ignored them).

You want to know why Sanders took this state? He campaigned here, and his surrogates did too.

You campaign for all the states, or you write them off. There is no middle ground.

Trump had surrogates in every state, even states that he was bound to lose (like California). The GOP understands this.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:40:59pm
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worldknot  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:41:36pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, not to disrespect the good people of Flyoverland who voted for this asshole, but seriously - all the shit that’s been happening for the last 3+ weeks since the inauguration is all stuff people said would happen. The corruption; the total abandonment of ‘fighting for the little guy’; the stupid, lurching foreign policy; the astonishingly bad management of the Executive Branch - all of it predictable, and predicted. They voted for him anyway, because he promised them he’d bring back the 1950s.

Maybe we used words that were too big for them. Maybe we were insufficiently understanding of their plight. Maybe we didn’t spend enough time in their districts.

Or maybe, just maybe they’re just really dumb, and gullible, and easily fooled by a bright, shiny object. They’re like toddlers - you can tell ‘em that the stove is hot, but they JUST HAD TO touch the fucking stove.

Or they did know, and didn’t care as long as their team won.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:41:40pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Hate the thought that he knows something much worse is coming. An attack within our borders.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:41:46pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Until I see your paper that you are working on a campaign, your complaints are just that. Complaints on a blog.

I’ll be happy to, if the party wants to run someone in my state.

You’re right, it’s only complaints on a blog (at least I get more attention here than I do from the Democratic Party).

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:42:30pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Not to play conspiracy theorist but between this and what’s happened here, is it really so crazy to believe that the infamous Reagan October Surprise of 1980 happened?

It was a surprise??? /

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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:42:45pm

re: #103 FormerDirtDart

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McGahn is the White House Counsel
I’m guessing SAO is Senior Administration Official

He’s not wandering around in his bathrobe? I need to see the video before I’ll believe something as outlandish as that.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:42:50pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

It is pretty easy to believe that Pence was a clueless moron about this. About everything, actually.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:43:26pm

re: #108 Anymouse

And yet, the Democrats did exactly that (ignored them).

You want to know why Sanders took this state? He campaigned here, and his surrogates did too.

You campaign for all the states, or you write them off. There is no middle ground.

Trump had surrogates in every state, even states that he was bound to lose (like California). The GOP understands this.

What Clinton did really wasn’t that different from 2008 and 2012 under Obama. Listen, I’m sorry if your state’s been neglected. You’re not totally wrong there. We do need to run candidates for Congress here. I’m not saying I 100% agree with the DNC’s strategy. I merely said there is definitely a lot of ignorance in those bright red areas that no amount of campaigning will change. And let me be blunt, it’s because a lot of those people are bigoted and don’t want to hear about an America that is for someone other than a heterosexual white person.

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petesh  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:43:36pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

Next week: Battle For Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again!!

Deep dive: Behind the Battle For Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:44:07pm

I need a drink.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:44:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:45:13pm

re: #110 worldknot

Or they did know, and didn’t care as long as their team won.

I’m starting to encounter that from hereditary Republicans who claim they didn’t vote for Trump - a return to ‘YAY, TEAM!’ A friend of mine who’s gay and Republican, and - I’d thought - reasonably sane this morning claimed that Soros was paying for the protests. When I said, “All 5 Million who came out on 21Jan?” he backed off to “Just the violent ones”, which makes not a lick of sense.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:45:17pm

re: #115 stpaulbear

It is pretty easy to believe that Pence was a clueless moron about this. About everything, actually.

The feeling I’ve had since Pence was announced as VP was that he was a sop to the party elite, the von Papen of the Trump admin. That Der Trumpenfuhrer really wanted Flynn to be his VP, but the party got wind of his connections to Russia and figured they needed a point of failure that wasn’t directly beneath the Oval Office.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:46:50pm

re: #112 Anymouse

I’ll be happy to, if the party wants to run someone in my state.

You’re right, it’s only complaints on a blog (at least I get more attention here than I do from the Democratic Party).

At some point embracing the bitter just won’t help, only hinder. We all got plenty to get over. Just look at Charles #109 up the page. Take that stuff and find a productive outlet.

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petesh  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:47:24pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I need a drink.

I need another. Also, I need the phone call I’m waiting for because I have tickets for Donny McCaslin’s gig, which starts in 15 minutes and I’m at least 10 minutes away. Hopefully he’ll be late. (I used to wait tables where his dad, Don, played every lunchtime, on the patio with his band Warmth; I’m pretty sure I saw the kid there too, when he was very small.)

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:48:12pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I need a drink.

Have one one me.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:48:17pm

Watch Trump use his position as CiC to try to quash this investigation.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:48:55pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I never in my wildest nightmares imagined that a US AF general would be a paid Russian stooge…and also the POTUS NatSec advisor at the same time.

If it was in a movie lot line, I would have walked out of the theater or started making MST3000 style jokes about the writing.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:49:55pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

What Clinton did really wasn’t that different from 2008 and 2012 under Obama. Listen, I’m sorry if your state’s been neglected. You’re not totally wrong there. We do need to run candidates for Congress here. I’m not saying I 100% agree with the DNC’s strategy. I merely said there is definitely a lot of ignorance in those bright red areas that no amount of campaigning will change. And let me be blunt, it’s because a lot of those people are bigoted and don’t want to hear about an America that is for someone other than a heterosexual white person.

A lot of “those people” are bigoted.

“Those people?”

Yeah, campaigning like that probably wouldn’t change a lot of minds here.

The majority of my village board is atheists. Most of the employees have been lesbians since I moved here (really).

You know? Most of us aren’t bigots out here. At least in my town, I only know one who is an open bigot (and he lost to me).

I think I need to retire from the conversation. This is the going the same way it always to seems to. (Those people are bigots, we tried to tell them, why should we campaign in rural areas, &c &c &c).

Maybe I really am in the wrong party. I’ll bet if I flipped to the Libertarians they would take a call or E-mail from me. (I’ll be clear: I’m not interested in the Libertarians. I am interested in a Democratic Party that is interested in representing the whole country. Including “those people.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:50:37pm

re: #124 Unshaken Defiance

Have one one me.

Thanks. I know I came off insensitive but you know what, if these people can claim they’re the real America, I’m going to fight back and talk about my America where a white bread guy like me can have a 1/2 Peruivan niece, Iranian boss, friends from all over the place, and where the diversity I encounter is one of the things that I cherish most about this country.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:50:56pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

About the best we can hope for is that the stink gets so heavy that he’s forced to resign. But even that assumes that the media doesn’t just find a new shiny thing and move on.

I’m thinking it is going to take a complete unknown, non-big media hero to break the big story and once some real juicy factual and scary connection to Russia gets out then the media will be all over it.

They just can’t be counted on to do the breaking themselves for fear it hurts their ratings.

Who know, they may be looking into it hard and then they will slip it to some small media to make the story break and then ride it, but no one at the big media seems to be the person(s) to do it.

Our media is petrified. Useless.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:53:28pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I read it as you are both frustrated and angry. That won’t always point the right way. We here need to coalesce. #Resist

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:53:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:53:40pm

re: #127 Anymouse

A lot of “those people” are bigoted.

“Those people?”

Yeah, campaigning like that probably wouldn’t change a lot of minds here.

The majority of my village board is atheists. Most of the employees have been lesbians since I moved here (really).

You know? Most of us aren’t bigots out here. At least in my town, I only know one who is an open bigot (and he lost to me).

I think I need to retire from the conversation. This is the going the same way it always to seems to. (Those people are bigots, we tried to tell them, why should we campaign in rural areas, &c &c &c).

Maybe I really am in the wrong party. I’ll bet if I flipped to the Libertarians they would take a call or E-mail from me. (I’ll be clear: I’m not interested in the Libertarians. I am interested in a Democratic Party that is interested in representing the whole country. Including “those people.”

And I know plenty of bigots in my town. Goddamnit dude, stop treating me as if I’m some DNC big shot. I’m an unpaid law clerk with an opinion just like you have. I’ve seen bigotry in these places. I have never ever said we shouldn’t campaign anywhere for that matter too but I certainly do think a lot of people are bigots. How else can I explain why the KKK hasn’t totally died out like it should have years ago? And whether we want to admit it or not, those people do come from these areas where self-reenforcing negativity works. People who don’t want ot challenge their conceptions by talking with someone who’s a different religion, a different race, or from a different cultural abckgorund. They say we live in a bubble but I think they live in a far bigger one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:54:26pm

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

I read it as you are both frustrated and angry. That won’t always point the right way. We here need to coalesce. #Resist

I think what is for me is I’m tired of them saying they live in real America and those of us on the left don’t. Cheers.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:55:57pm

Gonna be in the classroom tomorrow, so see you all around lunch time.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:56:17pm

re: #115 stpaulbear

It is pretty easy to believe that Pence was a clueless moron about this. About everything, actually.

Also pretty easy to believe that Trump holds him in utter contempt, especially after perceiving his reaction to the Access Hollywood pussy grab tape as disloyal. Pence was a compromise VP pick that Trump had to be talked into and the two men are never going to really be anything more than allies of convenience.

The problem is that unlike say Spicer or Conway or Miller he was elected part & parcel with Trump. Therefor he is neither part of Trump’s menagerie of monsters for whom credibility doesn’t matter nor is he ultimately disposable.

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worldknot  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:56:47pm

re: #127 Anymouse

A lot of “those people” are bigoted.

“Those people?”

Yeah, campaigning like that probably wouldn’t change a lot of minds here.

The majority of my village board is atheists. Most of the employees have been lesbians since I moved here (really).

You know? Most of us aren’t bigots out here. At least in my town, I only know one who is an open bigot (and he lost to me).

I think I need to retire from the conversation. This is the going the same way it always to seems to. (Those people are bigots, we tried to tell them, why should we campaign in rural areas, &c &c &c).

Maybe I really am in the wrong party. I’ll bet if I flipped to the Libertarians they would take a call or E-mail from me. (I’ll be clear: I’m not interested in the Libertarians. I am interested in a Democratic Party that is interested in representing the whole country. Including “those people.”

Asking out of sheer curiosity—do you live in a red area, or a blue area in a red state?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 6:58:12pm

Once again AM, I am sorry. I do NOT think these areas should be ignored but do I think a lot of them have voters who choose to be ignorant? Yeah I do and you won’t change my mind there. It’s not merely a lack of media. It’s a conscious decision to refuse to consider there are Americans different than themselves. Okay, your town had lesbian clerks. That’s admirable. It really is but BWS can point to her state in Kentucky where they had a town clerk refusing to give people a legal document because of their orientation and you know what, she had a lot of support from people in her county. They’re not evil people in my estimation but they certainly do show a lot of indifference to people when it’s not impacting them. They don’t care about the plight of immigrants because very few if anyone they know is one. They don’t worry about police brutality because they’ve never been hassled by the cops.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:00:28pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

And I know plenty of bigots in my town. Goddamnit dude, stop treating me as if I’m some DNC big shot. I’m an unpaid law clerk with an opinion just like you have. I’ve seen bigotry in these places. I have never ever said we shouldn’t campaign anywhere for that matter too but I certainly do think a lot of people are bigots. How else can I explain why the KKK hasn’t totally died out like it should have years ago? And whether we want to admit it or not, those people do come from these areas where self-reenforcing negativity works. People who don’t want ot challenge their conceptions by talking with someone who’s a different religion, a different race, or from a different cultural abckgorund. They say we live in a bubble but I think they live in a far bigger one.

Wrong. Bigots are everywhere, not just “those places”
splcenter.org

Note all the liberal areas of the country with hate groups.

At least according to SPLC, we only have five in our whole state. By the number versus the population, we are one of the least bigoted areas of the country (at least in identified groups). California and New York are right near the top (though there are plenty of Klan groups in the South).

As for DNC bigshot, I never claimed you were anything at all in the party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:00:48pm

So yeah I live in a town where I coach 9 kids in basketball. One of the boys I coached one year had a tendency to make Antisemitic jokes. Another who I’ve coached numerous times has gotten in trouble at school for using racially insensitive language. These kids aren’t bad people but I do worry about what’s going to happen to them when they get out of our predominately white conservative exburb.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:01:59pm

re: #137 worldknot

Asking out of sheer curiosity—do you live in a red area, or a blue area in a red state?

I am a blue dot in a red district. The state is majority-Republican, though we recently had one representative that was a Democrat (until the party decided not to support him and his campaign floundered in the 2014 election).

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:02:12pm

re: #101 petesh

I’m waiting for Beyond The Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

I really think we’re at the “The Rise Of The Undead Son Of This Fucking Never Ending Shit Again Fucking Part 20” stage.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:02:14pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Watch Trump use his position as CiC to try to quash this investigation.

One of the reasons that Watergate became the massive shitstorm that it was was because Nixon tried to use the powers of his office to quash investigations into activities being run out of the Oval Office while asserting that he had unlimited authority as the chief executive. So Trump is welcome to try, but I don’t think it’s going to go as he expects.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:02:46pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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The new thing is to let your tie slip down out of your coat like a dick.

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Targetpractice  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:03:22pm

So we’ve got the Airing of Grievances going. When do we get to the Feats of Strength?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:05:12pm

re: #139 Anymouse

Wrong. Bigots are everywhere, not just “those places”
splcenter.org

Note all the liberal areas of the country with hate groups.

At least according to SPLC, we only have five in our whole state. By the number versus the population, we are one of the least bigoted areas of the country (at least in identified groups). California and New York are right near the top (though there are plenty of Klan groups in the South).

As for DNC bigshot, I never claimed you were anything at all in the party.

Never said the liberal areas were free from bigory. But point taken. Anyhow, I know you didn’t mean I was a literal big shot in the party but you do treat me like I’m some out of touch elite I feel like. Let me brutally honest with you here, I’m on SSDI, I’ve struggled with un/underemployment for most of my adult life, I just think a lot of these areas do have ignorance in them. Is everyone there ignorant? No but a lot are and I’m sorry if you think I’m being mean spirited but you yourself have talked about how you have a weapon ready if people go after you for being an atheist.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:05:36pm

re: #142 MsJ

I really think we’re at the “The Rise Of The Undead Son Of This Fucking Never Ending Shit Again Fucking Part 20” stage.

I sincerely apologize for doing it. Should know better.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:06:25pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and others came to Kentucky individually several times.
It didn’t make a damned lick of difference.

Well then, they should have skipped Kentucky and gone to Nebraska!

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:06:33pm

re: #112 Anymouse

I’ll be happy to, if the party wants to run someone in my state.

You’re right, it’s only complaints on a blog (at least I get more attention here than I do from the Democratic Party).

Are we going to relitigate this every single night for all eternity? I’m just curious if I need a new overnight hobby because I just can’t. Not every single night.

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Anymouse  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:06:49pm

G’night y’all.

I think the most important take away I got from the conversation tonight was make sure I bypass the county and state party and contact Jane Kleeb’s campaign (if she launches one) directly.

That would likely work better than trying to work through the state or county Democratic Party.

I don’t remember who gave that suggestion, but thanks.

(As it happens, I have Jane Kleeb’s private E-mail address in my E-mail stable of contacts. I will fire her an E-mail tonight and see what’s up and if she’d like help out here.)

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petesh  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:08:59pm

Note: Some of us remained cheerful. Together, comrades!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:09:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:09:18pm

re: #151 petesh

Note: Some of us remained cheerful. Together, comrades!

I’m good. I’m just passionate.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:09:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:12:21pm

re: #139 Anymouse

At least according to SPLC, we only have five in our whole state. By the number versus the population, we are one of the least bigoted areas of the country (at least in identified groups). California and New York are right near the top (though there are plenty of Klan groups in the South).

This is mathematically meaningless. What matters isn’t the number of groups but their membership as a percentage of the population, though I have no idea where you’d find that information.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:12:50pm

Sorry everyone. I just get frustrated. I’ve had so many Republicans tell me that my America isn’t “real America” and yeah I hit back kind of immaturely by sort of implying that they don’t live in real America either. The fact of the matter is though America has changed and the reason why Republicans succeed in so many places throughout our country is they’re able to convince people that they should be afraid of how we’ve changed rather than embrace it. Remember, Trump’s campaign slogan was Make America Great Again, implying that somehow America hasn’t been great. We haven’t always been the nation we are now but I firmly believe that America’s greatness lies in its ability to evolve with the times. It’s a place where people of all backgrounds should feel accepted not because of our race, religion, or language that we speak but because of our belief in America. That’s the real American exceptionalism, not America was chosen by God to be great. Our country became great because we had great people.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:13:01pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:13:31pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

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Watch Trump use his position as CiC to try to quash this investigation.

Can he? And in some ways I hope he does try it. At some point enough people are going to realize what is going on. They keep building the evidence folder.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:15:00pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

No need for sorry in my eyes. I think pretty much everyone agrees with you.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:16:05pm

re: #157 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:16:59pm

re: #159 MsJ

No need for sorry in my eyes. I think pretty much everyone agrees with you.

I know. I just know people are tired of this particular argument which really wasn’t even the point.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:18:16pm

In an interesting development, Eric Hunt has renounced Holocaust denial.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

You may remember him as a disturbed young man who assaulted Elie Wiesel in an elevator and served time for it. After that he became a “revisionist” internet celebrity and was busy churning out videos with partnership with the CODOH about “the Holohoax” currying favor with the alt-right crowd. He has certainly been one of the most important deniers of the last few years, if not intellectually, then impact-wise. Now this…

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:19:18pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:19:28pm

re: #112 Anymouse

I’ll be happy to, if the party wants to run someone in my state.

You’re right, it’s only complaints on a blog (at least I get more attention here than I do from the Democratic Party).

You are too much sometimes. For me this is now.

The Democratic Party does not owe you. There are so many more things you could do to alleviate your complaints. Being on the board of your small town is something, but why not take that state-wide????

You moved to where you are now. Make it better, rather than complain about it every day.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:20:06pm

re: #127 Anymouse

A lot of “those people” are bigoted.

“Those people?”

Yeah, campaigning like that probably wouldn’t change a lot of minds here.

The majority of my village board is atheists. Most of the employees have been lesbians since I moved here (really).

You know? Most of us aren’t bigots out here. At least in my town, I only know one who is an open bigot (and he lost to me).

I think I need to retire from the conversation. This is the going the same way it always to seems to. (Those people are bigots, we tried to tell them, why should we campaign in rural areas, &c &c &c).

Maybe I really am in the wrong party. I’ll bet if I flipped to the Libertarians they would take a call or E-mail from me. (I’ll be clear: I’m not interested in the Libertarians. I am interested in a Democratic Party that is interested in representing the whole country. Including “those people.”

And you always close out the same way too. People also give you suggestions as to what you could try…I note you never mention it. BeachDem has tried very patiently to give you ideas, you seem to pass them off as being no hope or not the magic in a bottle you are looking for.

Somewhere in all this happening again and again for you is a message.

At the very least give the others here the credit that we understand you are in a tough position in Nebraska.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:21:25pm

re: #165 ObserverArt

And you always close out the same way too. People also give you suggestions as to what you could try…I note you never mention it. BeachDem has tried very patiently to give you ideas, you seem to pass them off as being no hope or not the magic in a bottle you are looking for.

Somewhere in all this happening again and again for you is a message.

At the very least give the others here the credit that we understand you are in a tough position in Nebraska.

In fact, I go out of my way to give him credit not just for being an elected official in a bright red area but being one period. I couldn’t do elected politics. I love to be able to help people but I couldn’t do something like that. I just do my small bit. It’s really all I can do.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:22:03pm

re: #141 Anymouse

I am a blue dot in a red district.

Your county voted 81.6% for Trump, 12.9% for Clinton. That’s nearly as red as it gets, therefore the notion that a national campaign that already won the popular vote by millions was going to somehow flip an Electoral College stacked against them by campaigning in that sea of rural conservatism is belied by that outcome.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:22:51pm

re: #163 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:24:54pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Your county voted 81.6% for Trump, 12.9% for Clinton. That’s nearly as red as it gets, therefore the notion that a national campaign that already won the popular vote by millions was going to somehow flip an Electoral College stacked against them by campaigning in that sea of rural conservatism is belied by that outcome.

The way they’re going to get that to change is not through the DNC but by local candidates. I’ve said it before. The way we’ll win locally is if people see our guys and ladies as so and so, who happens to be a Democrat rather than that Democrat who happens to be so and so. I don’t wear my political beliefs on my sleeves with the kids I coach in basketball but I make no secret of my political beliefs with my youngest brother’s friends.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:26:00pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:27:27pm

re: #149 MsJ

Are we going to relitigate this every single night for all eternity? I’m just curious if I need a new overnight hobby because I just can’t. Not every single night.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ty

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:27:38pm

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:28:00pm

re: #150 Anymouse

G’night y’all.

I think the most important take away I got from the conversation tonight was make sure I bypass the county and state party and contact Jane Kleeb’s campaign (if she launches one) directly.

That would likely work better than trying to work through the state or county Democratic Party.

I don’t remember who gave that suggestion, but thanks.

(As it happens, I have Jane Kleeb’s private E-mail address in my E-mail stable of contacts. I will fire her an E-mail tonight and see what’s up and if she’d like help out here.)

BEACH DEM. Pay attention.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:28:59pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Dude, everything you typed was fine.

Re-Lax

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:29:11pm

re: #110 worldknot

Or they did know, and didn’t care as long as their team won.

They thought that the hot stove would only burn libtards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:30:18pm

Anyhow guys to change the subject. I think I finally may get some places with my genealogy project. I joined a group ran by a very nice guy from Cork. Very helpful community. I also feel good because i was able to sign as a witness for something at work today. My career path hasn’t always gone the way I wanted it to but I guess I’m succeeding in two senses, I’m constantly learning and I know my work helps people. Now, I wouldn’t mind if they started paying me too but I have some privileges.

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Honey Punch!  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:30:42pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart

Hey, anyone remember a while back when the shemagh was referred to as a “terrorist scarf” or words to that effect. Can’t remember if it was Dana Loesch or Pamela Geller
Well, I guess ICE agents are now terrorists…

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I remember that.
crooksandliars.com

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:30:56pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Upding for the von Papen reference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:31:20pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Dude, everything you typed was fine.

Re-Lax

I’m good, thanks. I mostly felt bad because I know we’ve had this discussion a lot now and it’s Groundhog Day for so many.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:31:28pm

re: #175 Romantic Heretic

They thought that the hot stove would only burn libtards.

While I think you’re being flippantly funny, that’s as true a statement as can be made. There are many “conservatives” who feel exactly that.

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unproven innocence  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:32:09pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

I’m thinking it is going to take a complete unknown, non-big media hero to break the big story and once some real juicy factual and scary connection to Russia gets out then the media will be all over it.

They just can’t be counted on to do the breaking themselves for fear it hurts their ratings.

Who know, they may be looking into it hard and then they will slip it to some small media to make the story break and then ride it, but no one at the big media seems to be the person(s) to do it.

Our media is petrified. Useless.

Counterpoints: Rachel Maddow (various) and:

Joe Takes Stephen Miller ‘To School’ On Law | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Mika: ‘What Stephen Miller Said Should Worry Everyone’ | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:33:37pm

re: #180 MsJ

While I think you’re being flippantly funny, that’s as true a statement as can be made. There are many “conservatives” who feel exactly that.

One of my wingnut distant cousins posted his declaration as why he was a Trump supporter, item one was “We hate liberals.” and I just had to laugh. If the first item that comes to your mind is what you’re against and rather what you’re for, that says a lot about your belief system. I see myself as someone who believes in an America for all. Certainly not David Duke’s where associating with a non white person makes one a “race traitor” or Trump’s America where endless negativity and pointless egotism sells.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:34:06pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

From what I read, I think you found your “work”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:35:36pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:36:08pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

From what I read, I think you found your “work”

Yeah I think I have too. I’m having the most fun I’ve had coaching basketball too. Best team we’ve ever had. It’s fun. I told my brother that I scored 20 points one time in a summer league game (he doesn’t believe me but it’s true!), and all the guys go “How the hell did you do that?”- I have a very unorthodox shot but I have to explain to them that I was in a zone that summer since I was playing with a kid that I played basketball at recess for a year and a half.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:37:09pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:38:57pm

re: #103 FormerDirtDart

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:39:50pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

The way they’re going to get that to change is not through the DNC but by local candidates. I’ve said it before. The way we’ll win locally is if people see our guys and ladies as so and so, who happens to be a Democrat rather than that Democrat who happens to be so and so. I don’t wear my political beliefs on my sleeves with the kids I coach in basketball but I make no secret of my political beliefs with my youngest brother’s friends.

I honestly have no idea how they’re going to get that to change without seriously reforming the entire white rural conservative mindset from the ground up. It’s not just a matter of education or religion or whiteness but of the quality of and interplay between them. There’s a bunker mentality, fed by sources of propaganda that are eagerly consumed, that tells the (disproportionately white and male) residents of these areas that their natural enemies are the urban and suburban tax bases that actually pay for the very roads and civic infrastructure that makes rural life possible at modern standards of living. Entire swaths of this country, both demographically and geographically are not only easily brainwashed but have become eagerly complicit in the process simply to feed their own addiction to grievance and resentment.

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bratwurst  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:39:55pm

Let us check in again with the new and improved Glenn Beck, the one who proclaimed that 8 years of Obama made him a “better man”:

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:44:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:44:29pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

I honestly have no idea how they’re going to get that to change without seriously reforming the entire white rural conservative mindset from the ground up. It’s not just a matter of education or religion or whiteness but of the quality of and interplay between them. There’s a bunker mentality, fed by sources of propaganda that are eagerly consumed, that tells the (disproportionately white and male) residents of these areas that their natural enemies are the urban and suburban tax bases that actually pay for the very roads and civic infrastructure that makes rural life possible at modern standards of living. Entire swaths of this country, both demographically and geographically are not only easily brainwashed but have become eagerly complicit in the process simply to feed their own addiction to grievance and resentment.

Said it better than I could. You’re right. There’s this addiction to grievance and resentment and I think Trump played that better than any Republican candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. It’s not even a true red-blue divide but a cultural divide in a lot of sense. Propaganda convinces these people that me and you are their enemies. Despite my harsh words earlier, I don’t believe they are mine, individually, now if they choose to be hostile to me, yes, sure but for all the talk about urban elites, few if any have the courage to talk about the counter-elitism that does exist in these areas and you’re right, it’s most just religion, education, and whitness but a cultural thing. They have it ingrained in them from early ages that they are the real America and those of us in the cities and or blue states aren’t. They’re told that liberals are moochers and lazy even though as you say those, urban and suburban areas help make their way of life still possible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:45:00pm

re: #189 bratwurst

Let us check in again with the new and improved Glenn Beck, the one who proclaimed that 8 years of Obama made him a “better man”:

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Yep, still an obnoxious needle dick.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:45:19pm

re: #16 Anymouse

I’m not so sure it’s him rushing everything through. I get the impression its Steve Bannon and Steve Miller doing the rushing.

The Axis of Stevil?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:45:38pm

re: #190 MsJ

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Can you imagine the reaction if Dem Congresspeople did this in the TP wave of 2010?

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:46:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

re: #193 Grunthos the Flatulent

The Axis of Stevil?

Don’t forget Mnuchin is a Steve too and I think he has other Steves. Man poor good people named Steve out there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:47:45pm

re: #195 MsJ

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:50:30pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Your county voted 81.6% for Trump, 12.9% for Clinton. That’s nearly as red as it gets, therefore the notion that a national campaign that already won the popular vote by millions was going to somehow flip an Electoral College stacked against them by campaigning in that sea of rural conservatism is belied by that outcome.

So, 81.6% are either racists, or racism isn’t a dealbreaker.

But there aren’t a lot of bigots there, nosirree.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:51:42pm
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mmmirele  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:52:16pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

It’s people like this dickhead who make me glad my late father left East Central Oklahoma for California when he turned 18.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:52:21pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:52:48pm

Let me concede that I’m a little sensitive about that real Merica shit since I remember George Allen doing it in 2006. You all of course know that macaca moment. What a lot of people didn’t know is that kid was Virginia born and raised. See to us “elites” in NoVa, an Indian-American classmate is no big deal. In fact, one of my basketball playmates in 5th and 6th grade was and I worked with numerous Indian-Americans at Ausrion last fall. But I digress, the part of Va where Allen was speaking when he insulted that kid was older Virginia, a part of the state where people are either black or white. Those people didn’t know that kid had more of a Virginian pedigree than George Allen did who only came to Virginia because his Daddy coached the Skins but even if they know that the kid was more of a Virginian than Allen is, they still wouldn’t care because he looked different from them and that’s what Allen played when he caleld that kid a macaca. That’s why the MBF of Biden’s perhaps politically incorrect 7-11 joke is bs. Biden wasn’t trying to single someone out for being different. He was joking about diversity in his state. Perhaps not in the most savvy way I concede but it was different.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:52:48pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:53:23pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

It really is insane what’s been normalized. To think about the days when the worst I could think was John Ashcroft being AG.

Good times.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:55:04pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

So, 81.6% are either racists, or racism isn’t a dealbreaker.

But there aren’t a lot of bigots there, nosirree.

And I guess that was my point by agreeing with you in the first place. A lot of people seem to think that someone has to be KKK/American Nazi to be a racist. There’s lots of different flavors of racism and there’s also indifference ot it. Trump benefited from hardcore racism, so called soft racism, and indifference to it. The media repoted on a lot of the things he did and said throughout the campaign. I’m sorry but if you saw Trump mock Mrs. Khan and still said “Well I may not be a racist but that guy sure tells it as is!”, then you’re a shithead in my eyes.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:55:14pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget Mnuchin is a Steve too and I think he has other Steves. Man poor good people named Steve out there.

John Cole at Balloon Juice has a Maine Coon cat named Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:55:42pm

re: #204 MsJ

Good times.

Long ago when I was a wee lad of 15 and a Kucinich fan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:56:15pm

re: #206 stpaulbear

John Cole at Balloon Juice has a Maine Coon cat named Steve.

John better check him for a MAGA tattoo then.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:56:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:57:19pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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Now the plot thickens. And it disturbs me to think that Trump may pick someone even worse.

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scottslemmons  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:58:26pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:58:27pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

I wonder if they’re hiding his phones…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 7:58:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:00:08pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

They still need to arrest and try him for treason.

Treason only applies if you’re actively at war with said country but they could still get him for espionage. They definitely need to investigate this more.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:00:55pm

Note to that one New York paper, use OUT LIKE FLYNN as your headline tomorrow, thx!

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:03:39pm

re: #200 mmmirele

It’s people like this dickhead who make me glad my late father left East Central Oklahoma for California when he turned 18.

My late father in law joined the Navy out of High School in 1942. He told his mother he wasn’t coming back. She’s all “Oh, Ed, don’t talk that way”. “No Momma, I’m not coming back to Alabama. Even if I survive, I’m never coming back.”

He met a first generation American of Swiss immigrants from Wisconsin who was working in the DOD at the Pentagon, converted from Southern Baptist to Roman Catholic and only visited Alabama occasionally the rest of his life. A Union rep too, he probably organized more workers than any other single man in Wisconsin in the 20th century.

Sometimes, some places are not worth trying to save. It’s better to just walk away.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:04:45pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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I’ll care when he’s in irons in a cell on espionage charges.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:05:30pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

They still need to arrest and try him for treason.

Can’t. The Constitution is quite explicit. But espionage and sedition are still viable.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:06:15pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:08:24pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:08:42pm

re: #216 William Lewis

My late father in law joined the Navy out of High School in 1942. He told his mother he wasn’t coming back. She’s all “Oh, Ed, don’t talk that way”. “No Momma, I’m not coming back to Alabama. Even if I survive, I’m never coming back.”

He met a first generation American of Swiss immigrants from Wisconsin who was working in the DOD at the Pentagon, converted from Southern Baptist to Roman Catholic and only visited Alabama occasionally the rest of his life. A Union rep too, he probably organized more workers than any other single man in Wisconsin in the 20th century.

Sometimes, some places are not worth trying to save. It’s better to just walk away.

It’s tough to leave. But we all owe where we are to someone taking a risk. My mom’s parents knew no one down here but Grandpa knew he hated working in the mines and steel mills and would rather work outside. Ended up living the longest of his siblings and got to know his grandkids. It’s him that why I think those who have nostagia for the mines are fooling themselves. He and my grandma were able to give my mom and uncle a much ebtter life than if he had stayed in Pennsylvania. My mom’s parents weren’t wealthy by any means or even solid middle class but they did provide a foundation for my mom.

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:09:42pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Adam Levine ✔ @cnnadam
BREAKING: Michael Flynn has resigned, sources tell @SaraMurray and @GloriaBorger
10:55 PM - 13 Feb 2017
419 419 Retweets 204 204 likes

Hmmm. A dent in the ol’ Trump armor maybe?

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:09:54pm

re: #181 unproven innocence

Counterpoints: Rachel Maddow (various) and:

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Video

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Sorry, but I can’t agree with you about Scarborough. There have been multiple occasions both during the run-up to the 2016 election as well as afterward where Joe claimed to disavow himself completely from Trump, then only a short time later was firmly acting as a cheerleader for the same things he claimed were intolerable just days earlier.

We’ve known that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with outright fascists, including those who have close ties with the white nationalist movement for months now. This fact alone is a dealbreaker - even if everything else was squeaky-clean (which with Trump is absolutely is NOT the case) it warrants complete and total disavowment from the Trump “brand”. PERIOD.

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mmmirele  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:10:39pm

re: #216 William Lewis

Ironically, even though my dad ended up in California, he met and married my mother, a California girl whose parents were Dust Bowl Okies and came from the next county over from my dad’s family. They’d only known each other for three months when they got married (met over Memorial Day weekend, had a white wedding over Labor Day weekend). I attribute their lengthy marriage (54 years, until my dad died) in part to their very similar socioeconomic backgrounds.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:12:03pm

re: #220 MsJ

It certainly sounds like a gigantic shoe is going to drop. His resignation probably was inexorable.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:15:56pm

re: #224 mmmirele

I attribute their lengthy marriage (54 years, until my dad died) in part to their very similar socioeconomic backgrounds.

I believe it. I attribute my divorce to our very different socioeconomic backgrounds.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:16:28pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

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What are we, day 19?

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:24:30pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:27:48pm

re: #220 MsJ

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He’s been fired from 2 intel jobs.

He should be poison.

But…….

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:36:29pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Your county voted 81.6% for Trump, 12.9% for Clinton. That’s nearly as red as it gets, therefore the notion that a national campaign that already won the popular vote by millions was going to somehow flip an Electoral College stacked against them by campaigning in that sea of rural conservatism is belied by that outcome.

My county went 67% for Trump to 29.5% for Clinton and once the primary was over, no
Dem set foot in this state. (The only reason they campaign here at all is because it’s an early primary.) Hillary could have moved in, taken up residence and appeared at every fucking event in the county for 6 months—and she would have lost by at least 35 points, probably more. It may not be “flyover” country, but nothing is going to change their minds here in south by dog carolina. It is full of “those people.”

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unproven innocence  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:39:46pm

re: #223 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Sorry, but I can’t agree with you about Scarborough. There have been multiple occasions both during the run-up to the 2016 election as well as afterward where Joe claimed to disavow himself completely from Trump, then only a short time later was firmly acting as a cheerleader for the same things he claimed were intolerable just days earlier.

We’ve known that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with outright fascists, including those who have close ties with the white nationalist movement for months now. This fact alone is a dealbreaker - even if everything else was squeaky-clean (which with Trump is absolutely is NOT the case) it warrants complete and total disavowment from the Trump “brand”. PERIOD.

Excellent points, and I’ve seen some of that cheerleading/acquiescence in recent months. But in those two clips, it looked like Joe and associates had arrived at a clear recognition of what this administration looks to be about —raw unchecked power of a sort that threatens our democracy. By chance did you watch either vid?

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:44:59pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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BREAKING: Michael Flynn has resigned, sources tell

So when does the trial start?

What?


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