BREAKING: National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Resigns

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Yes, the White House was warned Flynn could be blackmailed by Russia, and yes, tonight he has resigned.

Just a little while ago they were saying Flynn had the “full confidence” of the Trump-thing.

This is just the beginning of the collapse, folks. Michael Flynn’s resignation must not stop the investigation into Russia’s influence with the Trump administration. If anything, this is proof that there’s much more waiting to be uncovered.

UPDATE at 2/13/17 8:15:40 pm by Charles Johnson

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745 comments

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:04:42pm

Heh

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:05:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:07:49pm

[This tweet has apparently been deleted.]

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:10:29pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:10:43pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

What was it?

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makeitstop  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:11:14pm

Okay, one down….how many more are on his staff?

That many to go.

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Skandal  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:13:05pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:13:48pm

I admit I’m amazed. He must have been incredibly dirty even by trump non standards.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:15:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:15:31pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:15:32pm

Just flipped to MSNBC for a second, they are showing a screen message that General Keith Kellogg will be acting National Security Chief.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:15:38pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:16:44pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:17:31pm

re: #1 Myron Falwell

Heh

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I commented about three weeks ago that half his staff will be fired or quit in the first 6 months. I’m holding to it.

Who knows, this could be the start of a purge depending on affiliations with Flynn.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:17:34pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Just flipped to MSNBC for a second, they are showing a screen message that General Keith Kellogg will be acting National Security Chief.

Not familiar with him.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:17:36pm

re: #7 Skandal

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President Bannon or Vice-President Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:17:51pm
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worldknot  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:18:43pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:19:06pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

That resignation is a sign of things to come.

The carefully crafted language that continues to sell Trump, and ducks around the actual problem with padded language and euphemism.

Unless he’s actually investigated and that information made open, this resignation is an evasion.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:19:19pm

No fucking way.

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plansbandc  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:20:06pm

The entire administration needs to be tried for treason.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:20:10pm

re: #6 makeitstop

Okay, one down….how many more are on his staff?

That many to go.

Outside of President Bannon, Flynn was one of the more dangerous ones. And the most corrupt.

re: #8 Skip Intro

I admit I’m amazed. He must have been incredibly dirty even by trump non standards.

Everyone in the administration lied to defend Flynn. The way this began to play out made his resignation pretty much inexorable.

It’s not a question of if anyone else goes down with Flynn… it’s who ISN’T going to go down. Because while Chaffetz sits on his thumb and goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ while Ryan and McConnell try to destroy every single part of the federal government, you still have other countries ready and willing to embarrass the entire administration and the Republican Party as a collective unit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:20:46pm

Petraeus? Good lord.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:21:38pm

re: #12 MsJ

Flynn is quitting to spend more time with Russia.

…with his nesting dolls.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:22:13pm

For the moment, I’m just happy that somebody in this flaming shitheap of an “administration” has suffered actual consequences for being a Russian tool (even if the consequences are small and not really directly caused by being a Russian tool).

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:23:19pm

Still, welcome news.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:23:20pm

Don’t know how true this I’d but I do know they had to make new robots to go in because the radiation levels trashed the robot’s they had.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:23:41pm

re: #25 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not much of a consequence yet. I’m sure he will get a “security expert” talking head job somewhere. Consequence will be when he’s locked up.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:24:10pm
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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:24:24pm

re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus

Petraeus? Good lord.

Inorite?

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:25:25pm

Someone was able to convince Flynn to symbolically fall on his sword.

Given the reports that the Justice Department from the Obama Administration had the goods on him and instead of filing charges went to the Trump transition team (and later Trump White House) to address the issue, just to have them do nothing until the story went completely public, I wonder if there is some higher-up in either the FBI or on the House/Senate Judiciary Committee who will be pressuring Flynn to name names to keep himself out of possible criminal prosecution.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:26:03pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Not much of a consequence yet. I’m sure he will get a “security expert” talking head job somewhere. Consequence will be when he’s locked up.

Wingnut welfare at the very least. Lewandowski landed a $500,000 gig with CNN. Flynn will too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:27:14pm

Petraeus really?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:27:38pm

re: #32 MsJ

Wingnut welfare at the very least. Lewandowski landed a $500,000 gig with CNN. Flynn will too.

Not like Sessions will bother doing anything about this.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:27:42pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Not much of a consequence yet. I’m sure he will get a “security expert” talking head job somewhere. Consequence will be when he’s locked up.

He’ll get a weekend show on Fox “News” hosting repackaged Oliver North stuff.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:28:46pm

re: #31 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Someone was able to convince Flynn to symbolically fall on his sword.

Given the reports that the Justice Department from the Obama Administration had the goods on him and instead of filing charges went to the Trump transition team (and later Trump White House) to address the issue, just to have them do nothing until the story went completely public, I wonder if there is some higher-up in either the FBI or on the House/Senate Judiciary Committee who will be pressuring Flynn to name names to keep himself out of possible criminal prosecution.

There will be leaks. Bigly.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:28:48pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:28:58pm

The other litmus test here is whether the GOP has any teeth to do their job and follow through on the IC’s work by mandating more scrutiny.

If they don’t, we have a bellwether—a very shitty one—about what they’ll let slide as long as they get their way.

I still have my money on “Mitch McConnell’s fantasy of a permanent majority” being where this is going. It’s another place where the executive branches paranoid/alt-right malarkey (voter fraud, Cultural Marxism as conspiracy to take over America, racism, etc) overlaps with more standard GOP malarkey (voter fraud, milder racism, sense that many Americans shouldn’t count).

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bratwurst  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:30:11pm

Thread:

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:30:36pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Petraeus really?

But …but she could suck a golf ball through thirty feet of a garden hose!

Oh, and I’m a nominal Democrat, so it will be bipartisan.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:30:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:31:29pm

re: #41 MsJ

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It’s almost like the email thing was a load of partisan driven bullshit! Shocking I know!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:31:51pm

re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus

Petraeus? Good lord.

The guy who had to resign (and has a criminal record on) because he divulged state secrets (some thirty THOUSAND pages worth) to a woman who he was having an affair with?

Yeah, this guy will CERTAINLY keep America safe.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:32:11pm

re: #39 bratwurst

Thread:

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Ugh.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:32:11pm

Does Ryan use Pence’s involvement in this fiasco to include him in the inevitable articles of impeachment? That way he can become president? And do Senate Dems tell Pence they’ll let him be president but only if he plays ball with them?

Ok, maybe that’s a little too House of Cards… But at this point, can we really not consider it possible?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:32:35pm

re: #39 bratwurst

For all the shitty assholes in the Trump administration, there are people 100 x shittier just waiting in the wings.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:33:09pm

re: #45 KGxvi

Does Ryan use Pence’s involvement in this fiasco to include him in the inevitable articles of impeachment? That way he can become president? And do Senate Dems tell Pence they’ll let him be president but only if he plays ball with them?

Ok, maybe that’s a little too House of Cards… But at this point, can we really not consider it possible?

I’d love to see that. Pence, the Evangelicals dream having his balls squeezed by the Senate Dems.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:33:23pm

Michael Flynn was never the National Security Adviser. False Flag!! Fake news.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:34:00pm

re: #46 GlutenFreeJesus

For all the shitty assholes in the Trump administration, there are people 100 x shittier just waiting in the wings.

And that’s why this isn’t like Nixon. Nixon actually did replace Agnew with someone different. Gah, can you imagine if we had gotten Agnew instead of Ford when Nixon resigned? I mean Ford wasn’t a great president but he was competent and not an ass.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:35:12pm

Picture this:

The GOP actually does some king of impeachment/punishment. Trump will Lose. His. Shit. He’ll burn the GOP to the ground and have some Russian hookers piss on the ashes.

Oh please please 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:35:48pm

re: #31 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Someone was able to convince Flynn to symbolically fall on his sword.

Given the reports that the Justice Department from the Obama Administration had the goods on him and instead of filing charges went to the Trump transition team (and later Trump White House) to address the issue, just to have them do nothing until the story went completely public, I wonder if there is some higher-up in either the FBI or on the House/Senate Judiciary Committee who will be pressuring Flynn to name names to keep himself out of possible criminal prosecution.

It all depends on how much loyalty Flynn has to Trump Putin.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:36:02pm

It’s Keith Kellogg to replace Flynn. Another General.

Digging…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:37:05pm

re: #50 MsJ

Picture this:

The GOP actually does some king of impeachment/punishment. Trump will Lose. His. Shit. He’ll burn the GOP to the ground and have some Russian hookers piss on the ashes.

Oh please please 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Trump knows where the GOP bodies are hidden.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:38:12pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:38:13pm

re: #51 Myron Falwell

It all depends on how much loyalty Flynn has to Trump Putin.

I can see SNL doing a bit where Putin voices his displeasure with Trump’s screwing everything up. I hope.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:38:20pm

re: #45 KGxvi

re: #47 HappyWarrior

For a real alt-reality political-fantasy-come-true, my bet is on Pence being forced out first: Trump supposedly can’t stand the guy, and has (so reports go) been marginalizing him even more than most VPs historically have been (AFAICT from history, Dubya-and-Cheney AND Obama-and-Biden are the anomalies in POTUS-VPOTUS relationships). And God knows who Donald would nominate to take his place: Ivanka?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:38:39pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

And that’s why this isn’t like Nixon. Nixon actually did replace Agnew with someone different. Gah, can you imagine if we had gotten Agnew instead of Ford when Nixon resigned? I mean Ford wasn’t a great president but he was competent and not an ass.

That’s the thing. There were still sane Republicans back in the 1970s.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:39:15pm

LOL!

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worldknot  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:39:28pm

What happens when they all realize everyone has the goods on everyone else?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:39:40pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:40:17pm

re: #56 Jay C

For a real alt-reality political-fantasy-come-true, my bet is on Pence being forced out first: Trump supposedly can’t stand the guy, and has (so reports go) been marginalizing him even more than most VPs historically have been (AFAICT from history, Dubya-and-Cheney AND Obama-and-Biden are the anomalies in POTUS-VPOTUS relationships). And God knows who Donald would nominate to take his place: Ivanka?

Line of succession has Turtle Boy going up to replace Pence. That would be fun. /

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:40:21pm

Like I said, Trump wasn’t misled, he’s the one who ordered Flynn to stay in contact with Russia and communicate assurances. That’s why Pence is going to be the one Trump blames most, even though it’s irrational. Pence was intentionally kept in the dark and had no idea he was being lied to. If he he had half a clue he probably wouldn’t have been so fervent in his denials and might have been a bit more circumspect in repeating Flynn’s initial version of events. In Trump’s mind therefore it’s going to be Pence who’s at fault for being too stupid to know he was being lied to and not deflecting the queries with suitably nebulous answers. Trump doesn’t understand that Pence isn’t like Conway, Miller, Spicer or his other amoral creatures who he can order to go out and lie with impunity because they never had any pretenses of integrity. So now he’s been forced into protecting Pence’s honor and it has cost him face, something he’ll never forgive him for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:40:31pm

re: #57 Myron Falwell

That’s the thing. There were still sane Republicans back in the 1970s.

Yep. And Nixon actually was sane policy wise, he was just a paranoid sack of shit.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:40:36pm

re: #56 Jay C

For a real alt-reality political-fantasy-come-true, my bet is on Pence being forced out first: Trump supposedly can’t stand the guy, and has (so reports go) been marginalizing him even more than most VPs historically have been (AFAICT from history, Dubya-and-Cheney AND Obama-and-Biden are the anomalies in POTUS-VPOTUS relationships). And God knows who Donald would nominate to take his place: Ivanka?

I’d never take that bet. Ivanka for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:41:27pm

re: #61 Myron Falwell

Line of succession has Turtle Boy going up to replace Pence. That would be fun. /

I think Grassley is the Senate Pro Temp not Mitchie.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:42:05pm

re: #61 Myron Falwell

Line of succession has Turtle Boy going up to replace Pence. That would be fun. /

Does it? I thought the Speaker Of The House was next in line if there is no incumbent VP. Followed by the Senate Pres Pro Tem?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:42:33pm

re: #56 Jay C

For a real alt-reality political-fantasy-come-true, my bet is on Pence being forced out first

If the Dems manage to get control of both houses in the mid-terms then you impeach both Trump and Pence-assuming that (1) they are still in office and (2) we still have a country at that time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:42:39pm

re: #66 Jay C

Does it? I thought the Speaker Of The House was next in line if there is no incumbent VP. Followed by the Senate Pres Pro Tem?

Yes, VP, Speaker, Pres Pro Temp.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:42:44pm

re: #52 austin_blue

It’s Keith Kellogg to replace Flynn. Another General.

Digging…

Remember the big dustup during the middle of the GW Bush administration regarding contractors who were torturing prisoners during and after the Iraq war (example, Abu Ghraib)? One of those contractors was CACI. (link to Wikipedia entry) Three guesses who was a top executive with that contracting firm.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:42:54pm
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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:43:02pm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:43:14pm

re: #67 Eric The Fruit Bat

If the Dems manage to get control of both houses in the mid-terms then you impeach both Trump and Pence-assuming that (1) they are still in office and (2) we still have a country at that time.

We get the first woman in office too. Not the way history should have written it but nonethless.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:43:57pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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I always do enjoy his take. It’s great satire of how right wingers act. Oh, wait Alex Jones is completely serial.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:44:18pm

OK.

Kellog is one of those guys who retire from the Army (2003, Lt Gen.) and then decide to work for companies that get DOD contracts that privatize the profit and socialize the cost:

Cubic Defense Applications

In July 2009, Kellogg joined Cubic Defense Applications, Inc., as senior vice president for ground combat programs. In that position, Kellogg led the company’s ground combat training business and worked to expand its customer base in order to “raise Cubic’s visibility to better serve the Department of Defense and key Army leaders.” Cubic Global Defense works to provide “realistic combat training systems, secure communications and networking and highly specialized support services for military and security forces of the U.S. and allied nations.”[9][10]

In September 2012, Cubic named Kellogg president of Abraxas, a subsidiary company. Abraxas states on its website that it “provides specialized support, develops and integrates state-of-the-art technologies, and implements trusted and unique solutions to address the global challenges faced by the National Security community today and those that it will face in the future.” In January 2014, Kellogg became vice president of strategic initiatives of Cubic. According to the Washington Business Journal, Kellogg left Cubic later that year.[11][12][13][4]

I can’t find anything that indicates that he has Russian ties or strangles cute kittens or puppies.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:44:33pm

re: #66 Jay C

Does it? I thought the Speaker Of The House was next in line if there is no incumbent VP. Followed by the Senate Pres Pro Tem?

I was going by pure memory… was Gerald Ford the Senate Majority leader or the Pro Temp when he replaced Agnew? (It’s been a long day gahhh)

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:45:07pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

12 hours?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:45:24pm

Instagram

after spending the weekend talking to friends who work in dc i can safely(well, ‘accurately’…) post the following things:

1-the russian dossier on trump is real. 100% real. he’s being blackmailed by the russian government, not just for being peed
on by russian hookers, but for much more nefarious things.

2-the trump administration is in collusion with the russian government, and has been since day one.
3-the trump administration needs a war, most likely with iran. at present they are putting u.s warships off the coast
of iran in the hope that iran will attack one of the ships and give the u.s a pretense for invasion.

4-there are right wing plans to get rid of trump. he’s a drain on their fundraising and their approval ratings, and the gop and koch
brothers and other u.s right wing groups are planning to get rid of trump.

5-intelligence agencies around the world, and here in the u.s, are horrified by the incompetence of the trump administration, and are
working to present information that will lead to high level firings and, ultimately, impeachment.

i’m writing these things so that when/if these things happen there will be a public record beforehand.

these are truly baffling and horrifying times, as we have an incompetent president who is essentially owned by a foreign power. -moby

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:45:36pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Yes, VP, Speaker, Pres Pro Temp.

Oh God. Ryan as the VP. That would be a diarrhea shit show.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:45:59pm

re: #75 Myron Falwell

I was going by pure memory… was Gerald Ford the Senate Majority leader or the Pro Temp when he replaced Agnew? (It’s been a long day gahhh)

Nixon chose Ford to replace Agnew. Ford was I believe Minority Leader in the House. I forget who else Nixon had in mind for the job. I think John Connally.

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Scout  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:46:14pm

What did President Bannon know, and when did he know it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:46:16pm

re: #78 Myron Falwell

Oh God. Ryan as the VP. That would be a diarrhea shit show.

Ryan as the Speaker is bad enough.

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:46:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:47:11pm

re: #82 MsJ

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And this guy worked for Nixon!

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:47:36pm

re: #75 Myron Falwell

I was going by pure memory… was Gerald Ford the Senate Majority leader or the Pro Temp when he replaced Agnew? (It’s been a long day gahhh)

No. He was the House Republican Leader. Ford was the first VP to take office under the 22nd Amendment: Nixon’s elected VP, Spiro Agnew, resigned (pre-indictment for corruption), Tricky Dick nominated Ford , who was confirmed by the Senate. And thus was next in line when Nixon got gave himself the boot.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:47:37pm

re: #21 plansbandc

The entire administration needs to be tried for treason.

Don’t stop there! There’s plenty more folks in the RNC, Senate and Congress that sold America out to Putin!

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MsJ  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:48:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:49:39pm

re: #86 MsJ

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Troll level McMullin. Go hang out in a cheap Russian brothel and get a bad case of herpes, Mikey.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:49:56pm

re: #82 MsJ

Megabackpfeifengesicht.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:49:58pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

We get the first woman in office too. Not the way history should have written it but nonethless.

It would be ironic if the Democrats take the Congress back, the House elects Hillary to be Speaker and they move for Trump and Pence’s impeachment.

Note—The Constitution does not specify that the Speaker of the House has to be an elected member of the House of Representatives.

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stpaulbear  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:50:31pm

re: #82 MsJ

He’s in his early 30’s, looks like he’s 45, and sounds like a 15 year old when he pontificates.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:50:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:50:50pm

re: #89 Joe Bacon

It would be ironic if the Democrats take the Congress back, the House elects Hillary to be Speaker and they move for Trump and Pence’s impeachment.

Note—The Constitution does not specify that the Speaker of the House has to be an elected member of the House of Representatives.

That would be funny. Anyhow. Glad we won this one. We do need to find out more about this though.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:51:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:51:22pm

re: #90 stpaulbear

He’s in his early 30’s, looks like he’s 45, and sounds like a 15 year old when he pontificates.

The best thing I saw described of Miller is “He sounds like a 70 year old man in the 1930’s.”

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:52:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:54:40pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:54:54pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

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Like I said, Trump wasn’t misled, he’s the one who ordered Flynn to stay in contact with Russia and communicate assurances. That’s why Pence is going to be the one Trump blames most, even though it’s irrational. Pence was intentionally kept in the dark and had no idea he was being lied to. If he he had half a clue he probably wouldn’t have been so fervent in his denials and might have been a bit more circumspect in repeating Flynn’s initial version of events. In Trump’s mind therefore it’s going to be Pence who’s at fault for being too stupid to know he was being lied to and not deflecting the queries with suitably nebulous answers. Trump doesn’t understand that Pence isn’t like Conway, Miller, Spicer or his other amoral creatures who he can order to go out and lie with impunity because they never had any pretenses of integrity. So now he’s been forced into protecting Pence’s honor and it has cost him face, something he’ll never forgive him for.

Reading this letter depicting a complete whitewashing of the events that have been uncovered, I think this is where someone with the FBI has a sit-down with Flynn and presents him with the recordings and/or transcripts of his conversations with Russian agents and gives him a choice of either giving full cooperation in the investigation or finding himself looking at a VERY long stint in Federal prison.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:55:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:56:49pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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You know what the best joke I heard all of last year was? Jason Chaffetz saying he couldn’t bear to face his daughter if he supported Trump. Oh man that was so funny. Best joke I ever heard! Seriously though, they need to investigate this. If you can have three Benghazi hearings and several ACA repeals, you can investigate this.

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BeachDem  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:57:06pm

Two words about Flynn’s resignation letter.
Horse. Shit.

(and whoever wrote it, get thee to an English composition class, stat.)

But this should not be the end of Flynn—it should be the beginning of the investigation. Speaking of horses (took me awhile to find an image with the right end)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:57:33pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

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It’s too bad Jack is older and considerably shorter than Trump because I could see him playing Trump.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:58:06pm

re: #27 MsJ

Don’t know how true this I’d but I do know they had to make new robots to go in because the radiation levels trashed the robot’s they had.

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I sure hope they are being alarmist.

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retired cynic  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:58:44pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

It’s too bad Jack is older and considerably shorter than Trump because I could see him playing Trump.

I think that makes it better. Play him short, padded around the middle, and bald.

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darthstar  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:59:01pm

Every Administration has resignations…just not in the first three fucking weeks…door’s open. Let the parade of “spend more time with my family” excuses commence…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 8:59:48pm

re: #104 darthstar

Every Administration has resignations…just not in the first three fucking weeks…door’s open. Let the parade of “spend more time with my family” excuses commence…

My lovely wife Vladimirina and my lovely son Vladimir. //

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:00:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:00:51pm

re: #103 retired cynic

I think that makes it better. Play him short, padded around the middle, and bald.

Good point. It’s too bad Jack is retired pretty much now though. Cool fact, my brother worked security on a set fir one of his last movies, a forgettable rom-com. He would have gotten to meet him but he was so tired, he went home.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:01:16pm

re: #106 Nyet

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It’s the great pumpkin skin, Charlie Brown.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:01:43pm

re: #50 MsJ

Picture this:

The GOP actually does some king of impeachment/punishment. Trump will Lose. His. Shit. He’ll burn the GOP to the ground and have some Russian hookers piss on the ashes.

Oh please please 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Which is why they won’t. They are now inexorably tied to Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:03:58pm

I love how everyone knows that’s what happened.

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cat-tikvah  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:04:51pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I have never in my life considered getting inked but have already promised my daughter that if we oust both 45 and Pence I’ll get “Nevertheless she persisted” tattooed on my bod.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:05:33pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

With all due respect, Charles: good fucking luck with that! WHO is going to do any sort of proper investigation? The House? House Democrats are a marginalized minority, and House Republicans are still trying to milk Trump’s “popularity” to push through their retrograde agenda (which they need Hair Furor to sign off on): not to mention fear of the boondocks “base” who they think will lynch them if they sully the name of God’s Own President. The Senate? A similar situation - though with not quite as much marginalization.
My guess is that any Congressional investigation into Flynn’s (or anyone in the Administration from The Donald on down) Russian ties is going to be a fairly low-key affair. As in couple of backbenchers and some staffers holding leisurely hearings once a week in a basement conference room. With ambiguous “findings” released without recommendations over the Xmas holiday - if at all.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:06:11pm

Folks, keep an eye on the stock markets. Especially keep your eye on the Volatility indexes. VIX has already jumped over 2%, the higher it gets the more unstable the markets are.

I got a feeling we’re going to see market instability going through the roof. Add in the Chinese/Japanese dumping of Treasury securities and it’s like being in the crows nest of the Titanic as the iceberg comes into view!

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ObserverArt  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:06:36pm

Later all. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be very interesting…starting with Trump tweets in the AM.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:07:30pm

re: #114 ObserverArt

Later all. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be very interesting…starting with Trump tweets in the AM.

I expect whining about the media forcing Flynn out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:08:04pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Close to zero chance Jason Chaffetz launches an investigation.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:08:57pm

The current deadpool list (courtesy Kevin Drum):

And the hits just keep on coming!
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Skandal  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:11:25pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:14:25pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Pence & his wife (I bring her in because she stayed after pussy grabbing became a thing) They signed a deal with the most horrible man. But the pursuit of power……….

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:16:10pm

re: #82 MsJ

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Coming from John Freaking DEAN, this is saying a LOT.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:16:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:17:06pm

As I was saying …

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HappyWarrior  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:18:29pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

As I was saying …

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I hate that the man who gave the world Axis of Evil makes sense.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:19:05pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

As I was saying …

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Have to admit David Frum is spot on tonight.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:19:06pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I expect whining about the media forcing Flynn out.

Yup. Conway is going to be spinning upwards of 9,000 rpm tomorrow.

Also, expect badly worded (is it “their’ or “there”?) press releases from the WH.

Really, She Who Must Be Obeyed had a 20 hour/week (w/ bennies!) job w/ the Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization where she served as an air quality policy wonk (she has has a Master’s degree from the LBJ School of Public Affairs) and was also their primary PIO redactor of news and policy releases.

She is absolutely appalled by the releases by the WH.

“If our little MPO released what the WH is releasing, we all would have been fired! Why can’t they hire a competent editor?”

This is a good question and goes to the core of the WH staff. Is anyone there (their?) competent?

It doesn’t appear so.

Sad!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:21:12pm

re: #117 Eric The Fruit Bat

Also, Jason Miller was originally slated for the Spokesperson job that went to Spicer, but had to bow out when AJ Delgado outed him as her illegitimate baby daddy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:23:21pm

Flynn was also one of the leaders in the Administration of plans to designate the Muslims Brotherhood a terrorist organization in order to justify a crack down on mainstream Muslim organizatons (shameless plug of recently posted page). Maybe his resignation will slow that down a bit.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:24:03pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Frum’s still putting a little oil on rough water.

Flynn is an replaceable part in a larger problem: he’s just the salient ridge of the insane, messy, authoritarian worldview that informs this administration. His ideas will remains even if he doesn’t…and there’s the whole question of where he lands—because if he’s not pursued further, it will be likely he’ll just be reallocated into consulting/lobbying-side position.

And in turn, they’ll be another Flynn-like thinker (Kellogg already looks like a fit for this).

It can’t be emphasized enough how bad it is that the legislature is enabling the executive’s bad behavior.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:26:01pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:27:37pm

In chess when playing black it’s a nice moment when you take out the white Bishop. But remember the game is about checking the white King.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:28:02pm

re: #127 Big Beautiful Door

Flynn was also one of the leaders in the Administration of plans to designate the Muslims Brotherhood a terrorist organization in order to justify a crack down on mainstream Muslim organizatons (shameless plug of recently posted page). Maybe his resignation will slow that down a bit.

You think? I don’t. The crackdown on Muslim immigration will remain a Yuge priority. Despite the Canadian Prime Minister giving the President of the USA the equivalent of a pearl necklace today, Drumpf isn’t going to to change. He is what he is, and what he is is a racist fucktard shitgibbon.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:29:10pm

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

Have to admit David Frum is spot on tonight.

Though Josh Kraushaar is, IMO, being a bit over optimistic: I mean, I agree with him, but it’s not a good prospect: When the President is an egomaniac would-be autocrat like Donald Trump, humiliating scandals and public setbacks are likely to spur him into being even MORE closed-off, paranoid and dictatorial. And more prone to rely ONLY on an ever-shrinking coterie of toadies for information and advice. And in this Administration, that’s going to mean Steve Bannon and his creatures….

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:29:23pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

That’s one thing that has me questioning this whole situation; why is it Pence that Flynn assured and not Hair Furor? Is Pence President and Flynn answers to him? No. Isn’t Flynn closer to Err Furor than Pence? Yes. From what I read Flynn encrypted his communications with his Russian contact, leading me to believe that he thought that he could get away with it. Notice Hair Furor steadfastly stood by Flynn until the situation, for some reason, became untenable for him. IMO Pence is acting as insulation to protect #SCROTUS from Flynn’s lies just in case he really had been caught ‘Red-handed’.

Derp Furor has something going on with Russia and he isn’t going to let Flynn blow it now.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:32:02pm

Various Nutzis and alt-right types have this strange fascination with Tesla.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:33:19pm

re: #131 austin_blue

You think? I don’t. The crackdown on Muslim immigration will remain a Yuge priority. Despite the Canadian Prime Minister giving the President of the USA the equivalent of a pearl necklace today, Drumpf isn’t going to to change. He is what he is, and what he is is a racist fucktard shitgibbon.

I’m hoping the turmoil slows the Administration down in their plans to put the screws to Muslims already here, no just those trying to enter the country.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:33:38pm

re: #133 Odie Hugh Manatee

That’s one thing that has me questioning this whole situation; why is it Pence that Flynn assured and not Hair Furor? Is Pence President and Flynn answers to him? No. Isn’t Flynn closer to Err Furor than Pence? Yes. From what I read Flynn encrypted his communications with his Russian contact, leading me to believe that he thought that he could get away with it. Notice Hair Furor steadfastly stood by Flynn until the situation, for some reason, became untenable for him. IMO Pence is acting as insulation to protect #SCROTUS from Flynn’s lies just in case he really had been caught ‘Red-handed’.

Derp Furor has something going on with Russia and he isn’t going to let Flynn blow it now.

Questions like this will get you thrown into a re-education camp.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:34:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:34:42pm

re: #136 austin_blue

Questions like this will get you thrown into a re-education camp.

Do they offer CEUs?

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:36:23pm
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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:37:48pm

About the impeachment scenarios we were all playing with earlier, procedurally, this is what would happen:

If only Trump is removed, then Pence is sworn in as president. He can demand the resignation of all of Trump’s cabinet picks, and we get all new confirmation hearings. He also gets to appoint a new VP, who must be confirmed by both the House and the Senate.

If both Trump and Pence are removed, then Ryan gets sworn in as president, assuming he’s still Speaker. Then the same stuff happens.

The real crazy scenario is that Ryan loses the Speakership over impeachment (imagine the freedom caucus doing to him what they did to Boehner). If there’s no Speaker upon conviction and removal, next in line is Orin Hatch.

I suspect if we run into a situation where Pence resigns and Trump is facing impeachment, we’d get something resembling a compromise nominee. No idea who that would be

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:38:09pm

LOL

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:38:50pm
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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:40:14pm
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worldknot  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:44:15pm

So, who gave Flynn the order to resign?

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:44:17pm

Heh.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:45:17pm

re: #145 Nyet

Does he mean Ivanka and Jared? ///

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:46:17pm

re: #145 Nyet

What in the ever loving fuck?

Guess I picked the wrong day to quit huffing paint

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:48:29pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

As I was saying …

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I despise Frum but god damn if he isn’t helping real America these days despite himself.

Never pretend that motherfucker cares about anything other than his own future. But if we can use that bitch, ride him to the gates of hell.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:49:12pm

re: #147 KGxvi

Scottie is a literal Nazi, has swastikas all over his Gab account.

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:49:19pm

One down. I would still love to start a GoFundMe to reward reporters that keep digging.

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Jay C  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:49:41pm

re: #147 KGxvi

What in the ever loving fuck?

Guess I picked the wrong day to quit huffing paint

Well. Somebody still must be…

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:51:14pm
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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:52:57pm

re: #145 Nyet

That … thing … you linked to is why I say that anyone who does not understand that Jesus, son of Mary, is not first and foremost a Jew can not be a Christian. He was a devote Jewish man no matter what you believe about the divine.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:53:19pm

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

In chess when playing black it’s a nice moment when you take out the white Bishop. But remember the game is about checking the white King.

Yes, but Chess is one on one. This situation is more like the game Diplomacy when you have to form alliances with others to take out a belligerent opponent!

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:53:51pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Do they offer CEUs?

Sadly, all professional scientific designations will be voided by the new regime.

They will be nothing if not consistent. PG’s and PE’s, along with numerous other scientific disciplines, have codes of ethics. Those will be voided in the interest of deregulation.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:54:28pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Well, the ethnicity of Jesus can also be a religious belief. So nothing will stop them from thinking he was a true Aryan.

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:55:01pm

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

In chess when playing black it’s a nice moment when you take out the white Bishop. But remember the game is about checking the white King.

Pity this was only a well placed pawn who’s lose was long expected.

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prairiefire  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:55:38pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Jesus came first for the Jew! They are walking into heaven first, Christians are but the vine grafted on! (Sorry, I come from a long line of preachers and abolitionists)

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:56:31pm

Christian Identity are still Christians, and they of course believe the current Jews are not the true Jews.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:57:42pm

re: #146 Nyet

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Belafon  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:58:44pm

re: #154 Joe Bacon

Yes, but Chess is one on one. This situation is more like the game Diplomacy when you have to form alliances with others to take out a belligerent opponent!

Yay for Diplomacy reference.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 9:58:44pm

re: #159 Nyet

Christian Identity are still Christians, and they of course believe the current Jews are not the true Jews.

Yes, I still remember nuts such as Herbert W. Armstrong and Gene Scott preaching that the British were the real Jews!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:00:48pm

Imagine if Trump had lost the EC but won the popular by a million or so?

The RWNJs would be screaming for blood.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:01:24pm

Nothing like some pure twitter fun.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:01:54pm

Poor Mikey. He got FLYNNished… 🤣

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:02:34pm

re: #164 Nyet

“states that mattered”

See what he did there??

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:02:48pm

Think of this scenario: Trump told Flynn to lie to Pence. Pence lied about what Flynn told him. Flynn taking the fall for now with Pence being the ultimate target. Trump and Pence just don’t like each other. Bannon as Vice President.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:05:12pm

re: #156 Nyet

re: #158 prairiefire

Jews not being “real Jews” is just the newest version of Christian de-legitimatization of Judaism. It’s just a different way of asserting supersession. Antisemitism has always made Christ sit apart from other Jews as an opening move.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:05:29pm

re: #27 MsJ

Don’t know how true this I’d but I do know they had to make new robots to go in because the radiation levels trashed the robot’s they had.

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Fukushima is quite far away from Tokyo, so I question how a major leak at the reactor site would render Tokyo — and not some closer cities — uninhabitable.

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KGxvi  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:06:01pm

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

“states that matter”

See what he did there??

Discounting all those Southern states that haven’t voted Democratic in my lifetime?

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:08:48pm
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prairiefire  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:09:49pm

re: #168 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

“Not the real Jews”. Oh how precious someone must be to think they get to pick who are real Jews and who are not.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:10:17pm
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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:10:42pm

re: #156 Nyet

Well, the ethnicity of Jesus can also be a religious belief. So nothing will stop them from thinking he was a true Aryan.

Oh, I know. I say what I do for myself almost the same way I recite the creed every Sunday. The things I believe - the Christ Anointed of Matthew 25 & the letter of James - are small details really when compared to the vast majority of the crap spewed by our religious teachers - well, what else do I have to say?

I believe in god. I do not believe in heaven or hell. I do what I do because I believe god wants us to but not because anyone can tell me to or because I have any reward or punishment waiting for me. That’s all. If you understand that or not really doesn’t matter, I’ll light a candle in front of the Lady anyway.

Those scum will never matter to me. I will do what I will because I want to. Because I think that is what is “Good”. And that’s good enough for me.

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KingKenrod  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:11:05pm

re: #162 Joe Bacon

Yes, I still remember nuts such as Herbert W. Armstrong and Gene Scott preaching that the British were the real Jews!

Gene Scott! I watched a lot of that guy when I was a teenager - he was wildly entertaining. Ironically, his crackpot theories spurred in me an interest in history (real history) that has never gone away.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:11:32pm

re: #112 Jay C

The power brokers and plutocrats that fund the GOP will determine if they do anything.

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prairiefire  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:12:23pm

re: #159 Nyet

Those “Christians” wish to discount and relabel whomever to fit the narratives in their teeny tiny little hearts.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:13:39pm
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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:14:15pm

re: #177 prairiefire

Just as some would like to re-label them as non-Christian, even though they are.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:17:02pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:17:25pm

When can we blame SSSSSSSSOROS?!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:19:53pm

re: #167 GlutenFreeJesus

Think of this scenario: Trump told Flynn to lie to Pence. Pence lied about what Flynn told him. Flynn taking the fall for now with Pence being the ultimate target. Trump and Pence just don’t like each other. Bannon as Vice President.

Then you have Mattis deposing both of them in a military coup d’etat. semi //

Seriously, I am not sure that Bannon wants such a high-profile role, whereas he can do more than enough rat fucking behind the scenes.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:20:23pm

re: #181 GlutenFreeJesus

When can we blame SSSSSSSSOROS?!

Any day, all the time. He’s the bogey man under the bed.

Although he’s bleeding money paying for all these protesters.
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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:21:35pm

re: #179 Nyet

Just as some would like to re-label them as non-Christian, even though they are.

Yes, this is true. I am what I call a Christian as are they. Doesn’t mean either of us are correct.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:21:50pm

re: #172 prairiefire

…I’m not trying to be a dick, but a whole lot of Christian history is built on exactly that. Making Jews not count. Ducking awkward theological questions posed by a Jewish Christ speaking within a Jewish frame. The church(es) weren’t interested in sharing God, and still aren’t, no matter how much they say “Judeo-Christian.” They’ve marked their territory.

Really, there’s only been an acceptance of Jews in society as various Christianities have been affected by the secularization of law and governance.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:23:53pm

re: #184 William Lewis

Yes, this is true. I am what I call a Christian as are they. Doesn’t mean either of us are correct.

Both of you are correct. All of you are Christians. Claiming otherwise makes the term “Christian” hermetic, sectarian, subjective and useless.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:31:00pm

David Irving:

“It’s all to do with this phenomenon of people not trusting what they are told by their governments and newspapers. They seek around to find someone who provides some remedy to this. And they find me.

“I am part of the remedy. It’s not just that I’m selling huge amounts of books around the world. One of the big changes of the last two years is the amount I’m getting in donations.

“It used to be small amounts, and they still come in, but people are now giving me very large sums indeed - five-figure sums. I now drive a Rolls-Royce. A beautiful car. Though money is completely unimportant to me.”

His new fans, he says, are the same people who in the US are supporting Donald Trump, who he believes will make a good president and “has his heart in the right place”. Though, he says, he is also impressed by the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

theguardian.com

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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:31:23pm

re: #185 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

…I’m not trying to be a dick, but a whole lot of Christian history is built on exactly that. Making Jews not count. Ducking awkward theological questions posed by a Jewish Christ speaking within a Jewish frame. The church(es) weren’t interested in sharing God, and still aren’t, no matter how much they say “Judeo-Christian.” They’ve marked their territory.

Really, there’s only been an acceptance of Jews in society as various Christianities have been affected by the secularization of law and governance.

Yes, we both (that is Jews and Christians) suffer from the fact that so many Christians in the past took the disagreements between the rabbi’s of the post roman Judaism and Constantine Christianity as having anything to do with theological realities.

On the important things - caring for the poor, the homeless, the stranger, giving a flying fuck about the person living next door to you - the followers of the anointed jew are not much different from those who live in the synagogue each week. When you look at what we claim to believe and and what we pray for there is very little different between an average Episcopalian congregation and many of the Jewish Minyans I’ve been privileged to know. We both know god. Why should I think that what I think means a good goddamn to them?

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prairiefire  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:32:58pm

re: #179 Nyet

Just as some would like to re-label them as non-Christian, even though they are.

Very true, I’ll retract my quote marks. I will fully embrace my own human capability to be judgemental, bitchy and flawed.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:39:18pm

Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Taoist, Jain, Wikkan, Naturist, Gaiaist, Druid, Atheist, Theist, Agnostic, Deist.

A random grab of existing religions on the planet, apologies because I’ve missed a bunch.

Why the fuck do we fight over what we believe?

It is, quite frankly, the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.

But it is what we are fighting over in the US political spectrum today. How the fuck did we get here?

It’s just insane.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:46:10pm
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wheat-dogg  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:47:38pm

re: #134 Nyet

Various Nutzis and alt-right types have this strange fascination with Tesla.

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Alt-science types just love Tesla, because they see him as an independent inventor whose life-changing inventions were quashed by Big Business and Big Government, rather than a crackpot who indeed had some very good ideas and skills.

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Stephen T.  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:48:39pm

re: #31 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Shortly before election day there was that big fuss about the New York City branch of the FBI being pulled off of an investigation, because it was filled with pro-Trump, anti-Hillary Clinton partisans. They weren’t fired from the FBI, just pulled of that one investigation. I doubt that many of the agents that were pro-Trump before the election have changed, though one can hope.

With that in mind, I don’t see the FBI going out of its way to investigate anything this administration does.

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Teukka  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:48:47pm

re: #191 Kragar

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:50:44pm

re: #136 austin_blue

Questions like this will get you thrown into a re-education camp.

Da. Thank you for your concern, Comrade. ;)

re: #141 Nyet

LOL

Poor Russkies mixed up “from” and “about”.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:55:27pm

So Bibi will be possibly facing corruption charges. No wonder he likes the kindred corrupt souls like Trump and Putin.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 10:58:59pm
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William Lewis  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:07:48pm

re: #136 austin_blue

Questions like this will get you thrown into a re-education camp.

Nah, I’ll get far different choices. Like kneeling out in front of my executioner’s pistol or being strapped to the framework in the basement of the Lubyanka prison.

I can guarantee all of those motherfuckers that I’ll never be accepting of what they want the masses to accept. Fuck them and the horses they rode in on.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:08:14pm

re: #197 Kragar

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Well, then, I fell so much better, It’s obvious this poor man has been railroaded because he believed in cultural exchange.

I’m not even gonna add the sarc tags. Sheesh.

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Nyet  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:11:45pm

re: #171 Kragar

“Breitbart blames the Deep State for Flynn’s resignation”

Earlier this year:

“The Deep State Goes to War With President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer”

by … Glenn Greenwald.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:16:54pm

re: #200 Nyet

“Breitbart blames the Deep State for Flynn’s resignation”

Earlier this year:

“The Deep State Goes to War With President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer”

by … Glenn Greenwald.

Golly! It’s almost as if the Deep State has America’s best interests at heart!

Obviously, it has the be dismantled and reformed. The Russian model of kleptocracy must be adopted.

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austin_blue  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:24:25pm

Night all, sleep well, resist tomorrow in any way you can.

We’re in this for the long haul.

No backsies.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:37:18pm

re: #134 Nyet

Various Nutzis and alt-right types have this strange fascination with Tesla.

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Such a shame they spell his name wrong, then. I guess they imagine it’s “Nikolai” because “Nikola” must surely be a girl’s name.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:41:57pm

re: #203 Grunthos the Flatulent

Such a shame they spell his name wrong, then. I guess they imagine it’s “Nikolai” because “Nikola” must surely be a girl’s name.

It’s not Nikolai. Nikola Tesla is correct. He was Serbian, not Russian.

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Kragar  Feb 13, 2017 • 11:46:04pm
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Nyet  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:05:01am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

It’s not Nikolai. Nikola Tesla is correct. He was Serbian, not Russian.

That’s what Grunthos wrote.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:46:13am

Is Piers Morgan ever not just utterly ridiculous?

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:51:17am

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:55:45am

I’m surprised this question hasn’t come up yet: Did Flynn jump or was he pushed? The result may be the same, but how we got there is what makes all the difference in criminal law.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:00:37am

re: #208 Kragar

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Piers’ suggestion is perversely consistent with Trump’s other pics. In that so far each cabinet nominee has been seemingly chosen with an eye towards maximizing their department’s capacity to inflict permanent harm on the fabric of society.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:05:43am

re: #156 Nyet

Well, the ethnicity of Jesus can also be a religious belief. So nothing will stop them from thinking he was a true Aryan.

To many Americans, he looks like this 1941 painting:

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:08:11am

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

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Is Piers Morgan ever not just utterly ridiculous?

I was bemused by Piers Morgan’s infatuation with the Tangerine Bawbag until I discovered that his name is an anagram of Orange Prism…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:11:08am

Deleted because I was totally fucking wrong about history and everything and am embarrassed.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:13:53am

Let’s try this one on for size: Trump brags/Flynn leaks details of Yemen raid to Putin. Russians call Iran. Iran calls their puppets in Sana’a.

Navy SEAL dies.

That about sum it up?

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Scout  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:15:03am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Are you sure about this? I would have bet a lot of money Gerald Ford was vice president.

I remember at the end of the move “All the President’s Men”, the wire is punching out a news flash that “Vice President Gerald Ford to become president.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:17:49am

re: #215 Scout

Are you sure about this? I would have bet a lot of money Gerald Ford was vice president.

Looks like you’re right and I’m wrong. Embarrassing because I was sure about that, never even knew he had a VP or that it was Nelson Rockefeller.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:18:45am

re: #190 austin_blue

Why the fuck do we fight over what we believe?

It is, quite frankly, the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.

But it is what we are fighting over in the US political spectrum today. How the fuck did we get here?

It’s just insane.

Because the Christian Right was very upset about being tossed under the bus by Reagan as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told them it was a good time to do so.

They set about insinuating their people into all levels of education, the military, government and public administration. And set out to convince us that we are a “Christian nation” and that all other religions, while the law says they must be tolerated, are (at best) second-class and somehow “un-American”.

And now we have President trying to implement a policy based on the notion that a certain religion is inherently dangerous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:24:04am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Can’t happen until 2021 because VP’s have to be elected and there’s is no mechanism for replacing them. After Spiro Agnew resigned in October 1973 there was no replacement, and ten months later when Nixon resigned and Speaker of the House Gerald Ford became President there still was no VP. The Vice Presidency was vacant until January 20th 1977 when Walter Mondale was sworn in.

Aha…I always thought that Ford had been named VP to replace Agnew before becoming Prez.

Thank you for filling in this gap in my knowledge of Rules of Succession.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:25:37am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Aha…I always thought that Ford had been named VP to replace Agnew before becoming Prez.

Thank you for filling in this gap in my knowledge of Rules of Succession.

Read the follow up, apparently I’m a fucking idiot who had no idea about how that shit went down. Sad.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:26:56am

I was so sure about that shit too. I blame CERN, Nelson Mandela, and the Berenstein Bears for my alternate reality grounded knowledge base.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:27:00am

re: #206 Nyet

That’s what Grunthos wrote.

My apologies. I didn’t refer to the OP. Then I misread what Grunthos read.

I’ll go stand in the corner now.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:27:29am

re: #221 wheat-dogg

I’ll go stand in the corner now.

That shit’s going around I tell you what.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:28:29am

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

That shit’s going around I tell you what.

Coffee is not helping my brain functions today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:29:50am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Read the follow up, apparently I’m a fucking idiot who had no idea about how that shit went down. Sad.

I thought much the same thing (I was a teenager when it happened) but I thought that Ford had succeeded Agnew as VP before Nixon resigned, and had named Rockefeller as his own VP.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:30:09am

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

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Is Piers Morgan ever not just utterly ridiculous?

I’m sure getting his probation officer’s clearance would be no problem. Can’t wait until the probation officer has to swing by the West Wing to do an inspection of his workplace.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:30:53am

re: #223 wheat-dogg

Coffee is not helping my brain functions today.

fortunately it is a nice day, I need a brisk walk to clear my head and make my braims function properly…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:35:55am

Russian legislators seem upset that their puppet is behaving as if he’s embarrassed by his strings.

Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the foreign affairs committee at the upper chamber of the Russian parliament, said in a post on Facebook that firing a national security adviser for his contacts with Russia is “not just paranoia but something even worse.”

Kosachev also expressed frustration at the Trump administration:

“Either Trump hasn’t found the necessary independence and he’s been driven into a corner… or russophobia has permeated the new administration from top to bottom.”

Kosachev’s counterpart at the lower chamber of the Russian parliament, Alexei Pushkov, tweeted shortly after the announcement that “it was not Flynn who was targeted but relations with Russia.”

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:36:03am

So, I have caught up with The Expanse, and considered how much influence one person in the right position can have in large-scale affairs. The story has several individuals, each with a higher purpose and each willing to do take extreme (even treasonous) actions, taking matters into their own hands. Watching these episodes in the context of the current administration is somewhat unsettling, because some individuals in the administration clearly have the wrong kind of higher purpose they are working toward. OTOH, Sally Q. Yates was acting in defense of the Constitution, and honoring her oath of office. We need more independent actors like Yates to counterbalance nutcases like Flynn, Spencer and Bannon.

The Dresden character in The Expanse reminds me of Bannon.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:43:21am

re: #214 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Let’s try this one on for size: Trump brags/Flynn leaks details of Yemen raid to Putin. Russians call Iran. Iran calls their puppets in Sana’a.

Navy SEAL dies.

That about sum it up?

Not really. The Yemen raid was on an Al Qaeda compound. Al Qaeda is a Sunni group. Iran is backing the Shia dominated Houthi rebels in Yemen, the civil war is largely between groups affiliated with those two religious factions. As much as they may dislike America it would’ve been in Iran’s local interest to see the raid succeed.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2017 • 1:47:01am

Have watched Denial. Not bad. Some inaccuracies, but on the whole a good representation.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:06:08am
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:06:41am

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

That shit’s going around I tell you what.

The corner can get damn crowded.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:15:01am
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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:24:39am
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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:43:10am

Last act.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:47:02am

I wanted to try the equivalent of a radio serial using Twitter but on a platform that only a place like LGF might offer.

It’s rudimentary as all fuck but I had fun and I thank you for your indulgence.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 2:58:23am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:07:34am

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

Have to admit David Frum is spot on tonight.

I hate when that happens.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:16:09am

re: #56 Jay C

For a real alt-reality political-fantasy-come-true, my bet is on Pence being forced out first: Trump supposedly can’t stand the guy, and has (so reports go) been marginalizing him even more than most VPs historically have been (AFAICT from history, Dubya-and-Cheney AND Obama-and-Biden are the anomalies in POTUS-VPOTUS relationships). And God knows who Donald would nominate to take his place: Ivanka?

If Pence knew and LIED bout it when interviewed, then he could be next. That will lose a load of religious right support of tRump, as I think the only reason they are backing tRump is to try and get their guy Pence in after they manage to get rid of the yam.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:30:58am

re: #169 wheat-dogg

Fukushima is quite far away from Tokyo, so I question how a major leak at the reactor site would render Tokyo — and not some closer cities — uninhabitable.

Hubby, the engineer, agrees. The reason I questioned this (hubs was sleeping so I couldn’t ask him) was that he had told me about the five robots that got fried going into Fuk and they finally got one shielded enough to get radiation readings - and the Sievert levels were like 4000x what they originally thought.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:42:46am

This wanker.

Incapable of seeing things outside of the rubric of his anti-imperialist worldview.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:47:35am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:51:47am

Wow.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:52:24am

Deleted.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:53:37am

This thread. Read it.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 3:59:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:00:43am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

Now the MSM will begin the process of normalizing a resignation letter within the first three weeks of an administration.

He was “hounded out of office by a liberal media out to de-legitimize the Trump administration”…it is already happening.

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:01:57am

re: #244 Alyosha

Had to delete and repost the first because of a catastrophic not-in-any-way-Freudian spelling error that, on the topic of female body-autonomy (it read ‘automomy’) might perhaps, somehow be misused; but only by those who have an issue :)

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Alyosha  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:05:35am

And I fuck up the imbed.
Nice.

Night, good folks.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:06:40am

re: #242 MsJ

I know I’ve said it before, but where did Trump learn how to tie his necktie? The wide part is supposed to end at the beltline, not the crotch seam of the trousers.

Also, that hair ain’t fooling no one.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:17:27am

re: #242 MsJ

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No wonder Melania wants to stay in New York. He’s fucking repulsive.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:17:34am

Jeffrey Lord was in the Reagan administration? I did not know that. No wonder he’s such an effective liar.

buzzfeed.com

Jeffrey Lord, a former Reagan administration official and CNN commentator who supported Trump during the general election, said the resignation is a signal that Pence is a powerful player in the young administration.

“You don’t look Vice President Pence in the eye and not tell the truth,” Lord said after Flynn’s resignation. “The president is going to look to the VP and say, ‘What happened?’”

“If the VP says, ‘You’re being told A and I know B,’ the president is not going to take that well, particularly this president,” Lord continued, adding that he believed Pence would be a strong vice president, on his way to “Dick Cheney-style, Joe Biden-style clout” with the president.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:18:41am

re: #251 makeitstop

No wonder Melania wants to stay in New York. He’s fucking repulsive.

She’s a horrible person all in her own. Plus, she married his bank account.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:21:04am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:21:08am

re: #252 MsJ

Jeffrey Lord was in the Reagan administration? I did not know that. No wonder he’s such an effective liar.

buzzfeed.com

Lord is one of the most obnoxious right wing talking heads I’ve ever seen.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:24:01am

re: #248 Alyosha

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What’s his poin,? BEing a warmonger sucks but sucks but uts not illegal. His dalliance With Russia tho.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:25:11am

British government to 1.8 UK citizens: fuck you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:27:27am

re: #257 MsJ

British government to 1.8 UK citizens: fuck you.

He is still, like it or not, the legally elected President of the USA and we have to expect that he be treated with the due deference and respect afforded the office.

Don’t worry, he will have plenty of opportunities to make some real gaffes and embarrassing or contradictory utterances.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:30:21am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:31:11am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is still, like it or not, the legally elected President of the USA and we have to expect that he be treated with the due deference and respect afforded the office.

Don’t worry, he will have plenty of opportunities to make some real gaffes and embarrassing or contradictory utterances.

Expect a voracious anti-Trump turnout.

Both the US and UK lose.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:32:16am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

Have you seen any evidence if that at CNN, NBC, CBS, NOT, WaPo?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:33:45am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:35:23am

re: #262 MsJ

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Man it’s gonna be a looong four years.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:38:04am

Of course.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:41:01am

Game.Set.Match.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:43:29am

Damn, man. This breaks my heart.

“‘How do we not end up like you?’ the audience politely inquired.”

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:52:51am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:53:21am

re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus

Petraeus? Good lord.

Patraeus, who actually turned over classified information to his lover. And yet these idiots were crying about Secretary Clinton’s email server for years.

Sickeningly hypocritical.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:55:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 4:57:27am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:00:54am

re: #270 FormerDirtDart

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Then maybe he should be their national security adviser.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:01:12am

re: #241 Alyosha

I don’t even understand what that tweet means. The Resistance is against Trump because he’s racist, sexist, Islamophobic, etc. And we’re against his policies because they are harmful and destructive. No one in the resistance wants war with Iran or any other foreign country.

I just hope our side continues to be vigilant in the face of Trump’s fascism and disrespect for the judiciary. Scary times ahead but we can and will push back.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:01:29am

re: #267 MsJ

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Well that’s good news.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:02:53am

re: #270 FormerDirtDart

Russian Lawmakers Mount Fierce Defense of Flynn http://

Flynt = Moscow

US Press = German army

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:03:05am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:05:07am

Well, guess Trump’s team is kicking themselves now. Certainly couldn’t have gotten in trouble for lying to the VP is he was the VP

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:05:24am

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:07:20am

re: #145 Nyet

Heh.

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Reported to Twitter.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:07:36am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is still, like it or not, the legally elected President of the USA and we have to expect that he be treated with the due deference and respect afforded the office.

Don’t worry, he will have plenty of opportunities to make some real gaffes and embarrassing or contradictory utterances.

I’m afraid he’ll try his power handshake on Her Majesty and break the lady’s arm.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:07:38am

Obviously, Trump left a suit he likes at the cleaners back in NYC, told Christie to pick it up…

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:08:36am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

LBIIodTsfPI0lJAwxCqnW7iDwD/sBTRFY/0560GaeUSCfAh1LUzGvA==

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Donkey With No Name  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:12:17am

It occurs to me: we do have reasonably functional TV news media in the US. Unfortunately it’s in Spanish. (Impressive how different Telemundo and Univision news can be sometimes…)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:18:29am

re: #282 Donkey With No Name

It occurs to me: we do have reasonably functional TV news media in the US. Unfortunately it’s in Spanish. (Impressive how different Telemundo and Univision news can be sometimes…)

and we have no functional press, just Teen Vogue

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:20:08am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and we have no functional press, just Teen Vogue

The American press is nothing but infotainment.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:22:28am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:23:33am

re: #285 MsJ

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:25:35am

re: #171 Kragar

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Seems like monitoring communications by private citizens with the Russian Ambassador is part of their role, is it not?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:29:41am

So nothing’s happening today I guess. Administration off to a clean start, things running smoothly.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:31:16am

re: #268 Patricia Kayden

Patraeus, who actually turned over classified information to his lover. And yet these idiots were crying about Secretary Clinton’s email server for years.

Sickeningly hypocritical.

Yeah but that was different because.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:31:27am

re: #284 Dr. Matt

The American press is nothing but infotainment.

I knew it was downhill as soon as “trending on Twitter” became a regular news item.

Very soon, people like Drudge and Breitbart realized that all they had to do was to float a story out there long enough and it would get picked up by the MSM and discussed and debated as if it had some real truth or merit…

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:32:06am

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

I was so sure about that shit too. I blame CERN, Nelson Mandela, and the Berenstein Bears for my alternate reality grounded knowledge base.

At least you acknowledge when you get something wrong, unlike the Right which just doubles down on the derp.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:34:24am

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

Looks like you’re right and I’m wrong. Embarrassing because I was sure about that, never even knew he had a VP or that it was Nelson Rockefeller.

Yes and I remember when Nelson Rockefeller died while he was getting down with his mistress…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:34:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:39:21am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart

Retired Col. who tried to overthrow Obama with Operation American Spring, now sets sights on independent judiciary

Remember how cute they were back when they used to throw fits over the previous President issuing EOs and “assuming dictatorial powers”?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:41:40am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember how cute they were back when they used to throw fits over the previous President issuing EOs and “assuming dictatorial powers”?

and that the only appropriate response was to overthrow a democratically elected government because Constitution Freedom Etc.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:41:50am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember how cute they were back when they used to throw fits over the previous President issuing EOs and “assuming dictatorial powers”?

Not to mention preparing FEMA camps to imprison all the conservatives and Christians.

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John Hughes  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:44:55am

re: #18 worldknot

Balls. What’s great about The Americans is that the Soviet agents are dedicated, intelligent people for whom you can feel empathy. Trumps bunch of idiots and Russian agents? Not so much.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:49:30am

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

If Pence knew and LIED bout it when interviewed, then he could be next. That will lose a load of religious right support of tRump, as I think the only reason they are backing tRump is to try and get their guy Pence in after they manage to get rid of the yam.

I think they are also backing Trump to get nominees like Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. If they can get one more to replace Breyer, Ginsburg or Kennedy they have a shot at ending Americans’ right to privacy.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:51:04am

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jeffreyw  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:52:14am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:52:55am

re: #297 John Hughes

Balls. What’s great about The Americans is that the Soviet agents are dedicated, intelligent people for whom you can feel empathy.

The Americans also gives us a view of the Evil Empire that we never really got during the Cold War years…that these people also had ideals of peace and freedom, just a totally different way of expressing and implementing them.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:52:56am

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

If Pence knew and LIED bout it when interviewed, then he could be next. That will lose a load of religious right support of tRump, as I think the only reason they are backing tRump is to try and get their guy Pence in after they manage to get rid of the yam.

Democrats need to figure out a way to get Comey before Congress and find out if Flynn or anyone else lied to federal authorities and then demand indictments for making false statements if they did.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2017 • 5:57:22am

Blithering idiot in my mentions==>

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Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:06:02am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

It’s too bad Jack is older and considerably shorter than Trump because I could see him playing Trump.

Didn’t stop them from casting Cruise as Jack Reacher.

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Lani  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:06:04am

The Bernie bros. Jeebus, they never stop. They can’t see the role they played in installing that orange person in the White House. Steele’s dossier specifically notes playing the bros to support Trump, but they still ride their purity ponies over the cliff.

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I cannot.  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:09:50am

re: #304 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

Didn’t stop them from casting Cruise as Jack Reacher.

Those movies never happened. I reject that reality and substitute my own.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:10:09am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. Woke up this morning to the news that Flynn was out as NSA. Well, okay. What took so long? We’ve been seeing Russia ties all over Flynn (and Manafort and Stone and Trump himself) since he launched his campaign and those four names kept coming up in regards to shady dealings with the Russians and Putin in particular.

Flynn in particular should have raised flags regarding vetting procedures, but as we’ve come to expect, Trump’s idea of extreme vetting and picking the best people is “Putin picks best people”. There’s good reasons that the IC was concerned with what Flynn and the WH were doing, and information sharing was compromised. The Mar a Lago debacle was proof that the WH doesn’t take operational security seriously - to conduct a briefing in the open, with all manner of electronic devices present shows a clear and present danger. Trump is the clear and present danger to the US and national security. He has been from the moment he took the oath that he clearly disregards at every turn.

Now, about that letter.

Flynn is notorious for being a liar and inventing details (aka Flynn Facts). He’s not trusted by colleagues, and that’s one of the reasons he was run out of the Pentagon by Obama.

Trump’s inner circle is thoroughly fucked btw, because they knew or had reason to know that Flynn was compromised (this goes back to Yates getting canned), and refused to act. They continued to disregard the situation, which throws their already awful character and judgment into question. In particular the WH Counsel, Trump, and Pence. All three can’t claim ignorance here.

Trump relied on Flynn to answer basic macroeconomics questions - at 3am, not his economics team. That’s how integral Flynn was to this regime - and how important an asset Flynn is to the Russians.

And how do we know that all the evidence against Flynn and his being compromised by the Russians is true and accurate? We’ve got the Russians complaining for him.

So, in sum, the Russians have gotten key people inside the Trump admin pushing an agenda favorable to Russia. That includes, but is not limited to Flynn. Those who covered for Flynn and refused to act on the info are likewise compromised or in need of replacement - including the WH counsel.

And Trump’s ties to Russia remain… murky.

But yeah, the GOP is the party of national security. After 70 years of Cold War, the GOP handed over the NSA to the Russians. Congrats tovarisch!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:12:02am

Speaking of utter fucking morons

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:12:31am

I see Fox “News” has finally reported on this story and waited until they had a complete packaged Denial of Reality assemblage of talking points all lined up ready to go. The new mantra talking point is:

“So what? No crime here. This is all about Democrats wanting to make noise.”

Deplorable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:17:42am

…and now Flynn is calling himself a “scapegoat”, which is a damning assertion: it implies that there are others that he is taking the fall for.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:17:45am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of utter fucking morons

We crowned our resistance leaders already? When? Damn, I hate when I don’t get invited to the real action.

///

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:18:08am

re: #309 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I see Fox “News” has finally reported on this story and waited until they had a complete packaged Denial of Reality assemblage of talking points all lined up ready to go. The new mantra talking point is:

“So what? No crime here. This is all about Democrats wanting to make noise.”

Deplorable.

State media

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:20:12am

Russians are red,
Mike Flynn is blue.
Putin is doing vodka shots,
and grabbing Trump by the balls too.

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darthstar  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:21:33am
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lizardofid  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:21:55am

re: #284 Dr. Matt

The American press is nothing but infotainment.

I’m not sure if I saw this here on lgf, or elsewhere, if it’s a re-post please forgive.

“Claiming that NBC Nightly News or 60 Minutes are more damaging to the public good than The Bachelor or Duck Dynasty might be a tough sell on the surface.”

pastemagazine.com

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darthstar  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:22:28am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:23:36am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Trump cheered the Israeli settlements? Guess they were disappointed when Trump said that settlements weren’t helpful. *thumb to wind, and to reality that US foreign policy hasn’t changed re: Israel and the territories*

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:24:33am

re: #311 Sir John Barron

We crowned our resistance leaders already? When? Damn, I hate when I don’t get invited to the real action.

///

The Bowling Green Coronation. Didn’t you get the notice, Sir John?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:26:05am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and now Flynn is calling himself a “scapegoat”, which is a damning assertion: it implies that there are others that he is taking the fall for.

That’s one heck of a statement, and a statement against interest of those remaining in the White House, including the WH Counsel, Trump, Bannon, and Pence. All knew or had to know of what the Yates dossier on Flynn contained, and refused to act.

Putin’s laughing from his dacha at all of the chaos he created courtesy of a few well placed tweeters, a minimal investment, and the idiocy of Trump/GOP voters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:28:07am

re: #319 lawhawk

Putin’s laughing from his dacha at all of the chaos he created courtesy of a few well placed tweeters, a minimal investment, and the idiocy of Trump/GOP voters.

It took no more effort than tripping up a person walking down the street engrossed in their iPhone…

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:30:36am

As an aside, it’s tax season, and the IRS has announced that they’re not releasing revenue procedures or revenue rulings outside those that are considered routine items.

That’s because of the Trump EO.

This does screw with tax professionals and providing guidance to their clients during tax season. It means more work for everyone, particularly if a taxpayer needs guidance and isn’t able to get it. That taxpayer may end up filing a return only for the IRS to say more taxes are owed - or that amended returns are necessary down the road (and the spillover to state taxes).

This hardly saves anyone any money. It does the opposite. It means taxpayers spend even more to prepare their returns this year.

Not that Bannon/Trump care.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:30:39am

re: #318 Barefoot Grin

The Bowling Green Coronation. Didn’t you get the notice, Sir John?

the answer is bowling in the wind

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:31:56am

Yeah, just gonna leave this here…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:32:52am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:33:35am

Wikileaks is the enemy. They aren’t nonpartisan or nonaligned.

In grand scheme of things, I’d put them into chaotic neutral leaning to chaotic evil. Their agenda is to undermine the US (notable by their lack of leaks relating to Russia).

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:35:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:35:59am
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:36:44am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, just gonna leave this here…

Add that to the pile of evidence of Russia backing Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:37:36am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:38:15am

re: #325 lawhawk

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Wikileaks is the enemy. They aren’t nonpartisan or nonaligned.

In grand scheme of things, I’d put them into chaotic neutral leaning to chaotic evil. Their agenda is to undermine the US (notable by their lack of leaks relating to Russia).

They’re Chaotic Stupid while Trump supporters are Stupid Evil.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:38:52am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

Just to answer your question, Donald: You’ve made it clear that you’re corrupt and won’t talk to the press. Some of them do actually care for this country, and I’m not going to gripe about the rest of them going after you for the ratings.

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jeffreyw  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:38:59am

re: #208 Kragar

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The point being “I already leaked classified info once. What are the odds I’ll do it a second time?

The Garp Rationale

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:41:07am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:41:32am

I went to look at Hannity’s twitter feed for his thoughts on Flynn. Nothing.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:41:38am

re: #309 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Why did Flynn resign if what he did was okey dokey? This administration is corrupt. He’s the first of the scumbags to actually step down.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:43:19am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of utter fucking morons

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Fuck off Glenn.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:43:50am

Mike Flynn has been fired by two presidents. That’s one hell of a thing for the resume’.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:44:25am

Make American Great Again Day 25: Had to shitcan my national security advisor because of something about the Russians. Note to self: blame media and leakers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:47:06am

re: #337 Ace Rothstein

Mike Flynn has been fired by two presidents. That’s one hell of a thing for the resume’.

I’m sure McDonalds will give him and his son a chance. Nah who am I kidding, he’ll be on FNC and have a book deal to boot because that’s what we do, we reward shitheads like Flynn with money and attention.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:47:21am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

Trump went to Flynn for economics matters too - whether strong or weak dollar was good for the US (a 3am phone call no less, when Trump got an MBA at Wharton). This is the kind of madness Trump surrounded himself with: people who were thoroughly compromised.

Trump relied heavily on Flynn during the campaign too in developing his foreign policy, and Trump has taken a pro-Russia stance just about everywhere, much to the consternation of our allies. This is not an accident and this isn’t just a sole person involved either.

The cabal of cronies was given a dossier on Flynn weeks ago, and refused to act in the face of overwhelming evidence. That means for practically the entire time he’s been President, Trump’s closest adviser on national security was compromised, and he looked the other way.

This calls into question Trump’s own judgment (again), along with everyone else in the WH chain of command.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:48:07am

re: #334 Ace Rothstein

I went to look at Hannity’s twitter feed for his thoughts on Flynn. Nothing.

Meanwhile Hannity is the same tool bag who whined about Obama’s choice of what to put on his hamburger. Lumpy’s just a plain old hack. Funny how Greenwald never whines about that but then again Greenwald has about much integrity on Hannity himself so I’m hardly shocked.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:50:19am

re: #309 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I see Fox “News” has finally reported on this story and waited until they had a complete packaged Denial of Reality assemblage of talking points all lined up ready to go. The new mantra talking point is:

“So what? No crime here. This is all about Democrats wanting to make noise.”

Deplorable.

One can only imagine the Fox News take if this had happened during the Obama Administration. “TREASON! IMPEACHMENT!!” There would already be several congressional investigations underway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:50:38am

The thing that those decrying the Resistance for being “silent” on Flynn’s actions on Iran don’t get is that fucked up as war mongering may be, it’s not illegal and a lot of us in fact did have a problem with the administration’s moves to weaken the Iran Deal but smug piece of shit Greenwlad doesn’t care about that. He just wants to hide out in Brazil with his boyfriend and be a smug dick and act above it all while he parrots Putin spoonfed bullshit.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:52:35am

re: #321 lawhawk

The excuse being given for this is that they’re all working on preparing for Trump’s big tax revamp, which is likely to come down with a whimper as the details show that it’s going to be as huge a debt disaster as we’d been expecting, and that the tax benefits all accrue to those who already are making out like bandits.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:54:13am

I asked my go-to coworker, and he’d barely heard anything about the resignation, and his response to when I described that it had to do with Flynn’s lying compared to the recorded conversation was to bring up a local event that was similar. He’s still a “both sides” person. As for getting through to people, we have to treat this as a crack in the dam, not the breaking of it. Keep chipping away.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:54:37am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

I’m sure McDonalds will give him and his son a chance. Nah who am I kidding, he’ll be on FNC and have a book deal to boot because that’s what we do, we reward shitheads like Flynn with money and attention.

My 24 Days As National Security Advisor

NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER!!1!

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:55:30am

re: #346 Timothy Watson

My 24 Days As National Security Advisor

NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER!!1!

In order for that book to reach 100 pages, he’ll have to include trips to the bathroom.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:56:33am

re: #345 Belafon

I asked my go-to coworker, and he’d barely heard anything about the resignation, and his response to when I described that it had to do with Flynn’s lying compared to the recorded conversation was to bring up a local event that was similar. He’s still a “both sides” person. As for getting through to people, we have to treat this as a crack in the dam, not the breaking of it. Keep chipping away.

The “both sides” people are so frustrating.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:56:35am

re: #334 Ace Rothstein

I went to look at Hannity’s twitter feed for his thoughts on Flynn. Nothing.

I’m shocked, shocked I say.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:56:42am

re: #347 Belafon

In order for that book to reach 100 pages, he’ll have to include trips to the bathroom.

Maybe he can do like Karl Doenitz and his Memoirs: Ten Years And Twenty Days.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 6:57:05am

re: #346 Timothy Watson

My 24 Days As National Security Advisor

NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER!!1!

I imagine it would include his time at DIA too. Really the guy’s a disgrace.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:02:23am

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Russian legislators seem upset that their puppet is behaving as if he’s embarrassed by his strings.

“it was not Flynn who was targeted but relations with Russia.”

Considering Russia doesn’t give a shit about the US, I wouldn’t actually care if this were true.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:03:06am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:03:36am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:03:54am

re: #353 MsJ

Kind of a weak statement from McCain, if that’s the extent of it.

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lizardofid  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:05:12am

re: #353 MsJ

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I seem to remember an old phrase, “What did the President know, and when did he know it?”

Edit: {See MsJ #354 above} ; )

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:07:00am

re: #352 Belafon

“it was not Flynn who was targeted but relations with Russia.”

“Relations with Russia” sounds like it could be a good thing on the surface, but dig a little deeper and you will see what it really means to the active participants.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:07:47am

Good luck with that. Trump already thinks you make too much.

God help us all.

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lizardofid  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:08:03am

re: #354 MsJ

Sorry, I really should have watched this before posting, It cleared up my memory!

: )

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:08:17am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:09:16am

re: #358 MsJ

Good luck with that. Trump already thinks you make too much.

God help us all.

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These ubermenschen are so smart.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:09:29am

re: #358 MsJ

Good luck with that. Trump already thinks you make too much.

God help us all.

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This is exactly what i meant last night. A lot of these people vote Republican because of their hatreds. We definitely had tried talking to them and many of them simply don’t want to listen. Now, I hope the minimum wage does get increased but people like this lady are a big part of the problem in our society.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:11:14am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Relations with Russia” sounds like it could be a good thing on the surface, but dig a little deeper and you will see what it really means to the active participants.

Every country should act in its self-interest because it has to take care of its people. You ally yourself with countries that will benefit you. This doesn’t mean you get more money or security or whatever. It can be allying with a poor country to help them improve their way of life, which gives you a partner for the future.

With Putin and the oligarchs in charge, I see almost nothing of benefit right now in cooperating with Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:11:26am

re: #360 Timothy Watson

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No amount of money will ever get this guy real justice. I know sometimes innocent people will be convicted but we have a legal system that politicizes the hell out of prosecution and one is rewarded for being “tough on crime” rather than judicious.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:11:50am

re: #361 Timothy Watson

These ubermenschen are so smart.

Can’t you just smell the supremacy?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:12:41am

re: #363 Belafon

Every country should act in its self-interest because it has to take care of its people. You ally yourself with countries that will benefit you. This doesn’t mean you get more money or security or whatever. It can be allying with a poor country to help them improve their way of life, which gives you a partner for the future.

With Putin and the oligarchs in charge, I see almost nothing of benefit right now in cooperating with Russia.

Exactly. Maintaining peace and stability in Europe and the rest of the world can be a good thing, but not if it means we have to do it on their terms.

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EmmaAnne  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:13:35am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:14:19am

I think seeing that though, that was what made Mitt Romney’s comments so pathetic. Timothy, I know you’ll agree but VA doesn’t go Democratic because of less well off people, it goes Democratic because of affluent and diverse NOVA. I don’t know how we’ll change peoples minds like this. We do champion raising the minimum wage and Republican office holders not only in many cases oppose raising it but oppose its very existence but people like this woman still vote for them because the GOP plays to their fears and resentments. That woman isn’t a bad person IMO but people like her keep on voting for an oligarchical party that could care less about her.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:14:55am

re: #358 MsJ

Good luck with that. Trump already thinks you make too much.

God help us all.

But only a little. Not to $15 or anything like that because something. People are so stingy they’re willing to deny themselves to ensure others don’t benefit.

BTW I think $15/hr is probably too high as well, depends on how businesses can handle it. Depends on the area, etc.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:15:44am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:17:55am

Fucking Republicans are a threat to our nation.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:18:29am

A question that must be asked of every single person working in the WH:

Are you now or have you ever been a Putin puppet? /half sarc

It’s not just the crime. It’s the coverup. And the Trump cabal is totally into CYA mode, using their preferred method of deflecting attention by making it all about the leakers, not what everyone knew - that Flynn was thoroughly compromised by the Russians.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:18:48am

re: #371 MsJ

Fucking Republicans are a threat to our nation.

But maybe the leaks that led to Flynn’s firing need to be investigated, though.

///

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:19:37am

re: #369 Sir John Barron

But only a little. Not to $15 or anything like that because something. People are so stingy they’re willing to deny themselves to ensure others don’t benefit.

BTW I think $15/hr is probably too high as well, depends on how businesses can handle it. Depends on the area, etc.

I think going rom 7.25 to 15 would be too risky too. If we had raised the minimum wage more regularly, then it perhaps would be 15 right now or even higher. I noticed that too. I feel bad for these people, I really do but there’s a lot of cluelessness here and it’s something and I don’t want to restart last night that simply isn’t the DNC or Democratic Party’s fault. We told these people what Trump was, we told what Clinton stood for, and many of them still embraced him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:19:56am

re: #371 MsJ

Fucking Republicans are a threat to our nation.

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Such a fucking hack.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:20:06am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:20:45am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:20:55am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I think going rom 7.25 to 15 would be too risky too. If we had raised the minimum wage more regularly, then it perhaps would be 15 right now or even higher. I noticed that too. I feel bad for these people, I really do but there’s a lot of cluelessness here and it’s something and I don’t want to restart last night that simply isn’t the DNC or Democratic Party’s fault. We told these people what Trump was, we told what Clinton stood for, and many of them still embraced him.

Yeah, but the business risk isn’t what seems to lead these people to caution—it sounds like they’re more worried about “those without skills” getting paid too much. I read the story quickly so maybe I’m missing something.

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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:21:26am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:22:04am

re: #372 lawhawk

A question that must be asked of every single person working in the WH:

Are you now or have you ever been a Putin puppet? /half sarc

It’s not just the crime. It’s the coverup. And the Trump cabal is totally into CYA mode, using their preferred method of deflecting attention by making it all about the leakers, not what everyone knew - that Flynn was thoroughly compromised by the Russians.

“Are you still a spy for Putin?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:22:23am

re: #378 Sir John Barron

Yeah, but the business risk isn’t what seems to lead these people to caution—it sounds like they’re more worried about “those without skills” getting paid too much. I read the story quickly so maybe I’m missing something.

No, you read that right, the business risk is my reason for not wanting to do a massive hike. Although with my caveat that it’s on Congress for dropping the ball when they could have been raising it. When i got my first job about fifteen years ago, minimum wage was 5.15 a hour. I made 5.50.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:24:05am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I think going rom 7.25 to 15 would be too risky too. If we had raised the minimum wage more regularly, then it perhaps would be 15 right now or even higher. I noticed that too. I feel bad for these people, I really do but there’s a lot of cluelessness here and it’s something and I don’t want to restart last night that simply isn’t the DNC or Democratic Party’s fault. We told these people what Trump was, we told what Clinton stood for, and many of them still embraced him.

You do it in stages, not all in one year, but more like 5 years. At the same time, at businesses like Walmart or McDonalds that pay minimum wage or barely above, labor is a small fraction of their overall costs. Raising employee wages isn’t going to cause the costs of things to shoot up by the same amount.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:24:13am

re: #371 MsJ

Rep Jason Chaffetz R-UT tells reporters there’s no need to further probe Flynn. “It’s taking care of itself”

Just like Benghazi did…

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:24:23am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Depending on the states, the hikes are being phased in over a period of years. It’s not all in one shot as the GOP would have people believe.

In NY, they’re doing increases by region too, with NYC/LI getting higher increases than those upstate (reflecting cost of living). Far too many businesses get subsidized through enabling their workers to work on sub-subsistence wages, but forcing them to rely on federal/state aid (food stamps, housing assistance, etc.) Walmart is notorious for that.

Making billions for shareholders, and the workers who are customer facing get crapped on.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:25:37am

An evergreen statement.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:25:50am

The vibe I got from that article though is these people are proud of their hard work and that one woman, man I feel bad for her since she spent a lot of her early years in foster care and came from a troubled family but what right wing media does is convince these people that they’re the only ones working hard. John noticed them as did I saying that they wouldn’t want too big a hike because it might encourage those without skills or some claptrap like that. The worst right wing lie is this: Only you work hard and a lot of other people are just moochers. That’s why the Republicans can succeed. It’s how white supremacy prevailed in the South even though poor whites poorly fared under policies implemented by Southern elite politicians.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:27:08am

re: #384 lawhawk

Far too many businesses get subsidized through enabling their workers to work on sub-subsistence wages, but forcing them to rely on federal/state aid (food stamps, housing assistance, etc.) Walmart is notorious for that.

Companies that pay employees less than the poverty level and have them receiving federal or state aid should have that amount added to their annual tax bill.

That would fix the minimum wage issue immediately…

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:27:12am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:28:47am

re: #379 Interesting Times

WinterLeaks

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:29:15am

re: #384 lawhawk

Depending on the states, the hikes are being phased in over a period of years. It’s not all in one shot as the GOP would have people believe.

In NY, they’re doing increases by region too, with NYC/LI getting higher increases than those upstate (reflecting cost of living). Far too many businesses get subsidized through enabling their workers to work on sub-subsistence wages, but forcing them to rely on federal/state aid (food stamps, housing assistance, etc.) Walmart is notorious for that.

Making billions for shareholders, and the workers who are customer facing get crapped on.

Exactly. Even the now infamous Seattle 15 minimum wage is being done overtime. And you are so right about how businesses like Wal-Mart especially pay their employees shit wages and their employees are forced to get public assistance. I remember reading one article in Rolling Stone about a conservative who supports raising the minimum wage because he feels it will reduce public assistance needs. To an extent, he’s got a point. And conservatives who think the minimum wage jobs are only for teenagers are idiots too. I mean a lot of teens do take those jobs but what the cons don’t get is, those kids are using the money from those jobs to either save up for college, on their cars, etc. And for a lot of teen workers, they’re working to supplement their family’s income. That’s why so many people dropped out of high school to find work in the Depression.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:30:27am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:32:10am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

I think seeing that though, that was what made Mitt Romney’s comments so pathetic. Timothy, I know you’ll agree but VA doesn’t go Democratic because of less well off people, it goes Democratic because of affluent and diverse NOVA. I don’t know how we’ll change peoples minds like this. We do champion raising the minimum wage and Republican office holders not only in many cases oppose raising it but oppose its very existence but people like this woman still vote for them because the GOP plays to their fears and resentments. That woman isn’t a bad person IMO but people like her keep on voting for an oligarchical party that could care less about her.

It doesn’t help that these people really are quite stupid and no absolutely no understanding of inflation…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:32:20am

We need to discuss underemployment too.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:34:07am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:35:21am

re: #392 Timothy Watson

It doesn’t help that these people really are quite stupid and no absolutely no understanding of inflation…
[private]Coworker and I were talking about not getting a pay raise several months ago and he starts going on about how he was only making $22,000 when he started working and I shouldn’t be complaining as much.

My response, “what year was that?”

“1982.”

A few seconds later after I pull up the inflation calculator on the Bureau of Labor Statistics, “That’s the equivalent of over $50,000 today.”

I could have a good life on 50K a year. But yeah so many older people don’t get that when they’re lecturing our generation for being frustrated about being un/underemployed. It was really bad when gosh I forget her name maybe Marsha Blackburn? ANyhow, she was talking about how she made “only” 2.50 or so when she got her first job in the mid 60’s. Someone tailed it up. Her wage was far above the present minimum wage. I mean in some ways, we do have it easier than our older generations but in some ways, they did too and they’re too patronizing to notice espcially when it comes to things like wages and tuition.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:36:03am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:37:18am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:37:59am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:39:42am

Good god. Someone wake me from this nightmare.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:41:15am

re: #399 MsJ

Good god. Someone wake me from this nightmare.

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Maybe should have learned that in the transition rather than the “thank you rallies.” Man this would be almost comical (the part about them and the lights was) but this all would be almost comical if lives weren’t at risk due to this shit. Not only are these buttheads dead wrong on policy, they have no idea how to actually run a country.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:42:17am

Very good article.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:43:10am

re: #398 MsJ

As the piece says, “Prove it” should be our response.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:44:50am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Maybe should have learned that in the transition rather than the “thank you rallies.” Man this would be almost comical (the part about them and the lights was) but this all would be almost comical if lives weren’t at risk due to this shit. Not only are these buttheads dead wrong on policy, they have no idea how to actually run a country.

If this is how Trump runs his company, it would explain why most of his business ventures were total flops. At the rate he’s going, the Trump brand will become a joke and no one will want anything to do with it. He may end up replacing the Edsel as the symbol of really bad products.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:44:50am

Gee, that was fun. Just spent the last half hour in the women’s bathroom here at the park, sitting on the floor taking shelter with a drenched dog and cockatoo. First time in all these years I freaked with serious tornado warnings - and actual tornadoes close by and heading our way. One reportedly touched down about a quarter mile away. =O

Had quite a party going in there with about a dozen people and 5 dogs. The dogs had a blast. So did Blossom running up and down the sink counter trying to bite wagging tails. She kept us all entertained. Back home now all safe and sound. No damage.

Whew!

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:44:53am

re: #257 MsJ

British government to 1.8 UK citizens: fuck you.
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The protest signs alone will be worth it.

Spicer
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:46:51am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:48:04am

re: #403 wheat-dogg

If this is how Trump runs his company, it would explain why most of his business ventures were total flops. At the rate he’s going, the Trump brand will become a joke and no one will want anything to do with it. He may end up replacing the Edsel as the symbol of really bad products.

It does make one wonder doesn’t it?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:48:52am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:49:31am

Kim Jong-Un’s half-brother, who has been living in exile, reported killed in Malaysia.

theguardian.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:50:50am

re: #408 lawhawk

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But her eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee mails.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:52:00am

re: #405 BlueGrl21

The protest signs alone will be worth it.

Inorite? Gotta love the British.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:53:06am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:53:48am

re: #411 MsJ

Inorite? Gotta love the British.

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One of my cousins was in the UK recently, posted a photo of this.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:54:28am

re: #412 De Kolta Chair

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Come back Papa Barack, we promise we’ll be better kids and vote.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:54:42am

re: #399 MsJ

Good god. Someone wake me from this nightmare.

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Actually, my first thought on reading that Trump and his team don’t (didn’t?) know how to call out the National Guard was that it is (was?) probably/maybe a good thing, as I’m sure there are folks in the WH who would only be too happy to call out troops to enforce “respect” for President Trump and his policies….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:55:04am

Seriously though, I do hope Obama is having fun. He does deserve it. all the shit he got simply for being who he was from teh right all those years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:55:42am

re: #415 Jay C

Actually, my first thought on reading that Trump and his team don’t (didn’t?) know how to call out the National Guard was that it is (was?) probably/maybe a good thing, as I’m sure there are folks in the WH who would only be too happy to call out troops to enforce “respect” for President Trump and his policies….

So maybe Trump thankfully is too incompetent to be full out authoritarian.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:56:12am

And yet there were people defending Flynn as having done nothing wrong as late as yesterday. One even thought I was being hysterical about the need to proceed with criminal prosecution ultimately ending with him at Leavenworth or ADX Florence.

Yeah, about that. The GOP owns this entire shitshow from complicity to coverup; and right now that’s the phase we’re seeing unfold.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:56:54am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:57:17am

re: #418 lawhawk

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And yet there were people defending Flynn as having done nothing wrong as late as yesterday. One even thought I was being hysterical about the need to proceed with criminal prosecution ultimately ending with him at Leavenworth or ADX Florence.

Yeah, about that. The GOP owns this entire shitshow from complicity to coverup; and right now that’s the phase we’re seeing unfold.

Yeah that’s something to watch.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:57:40am

re: #419 teleskiguy

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He always looks like he’s crapped himself on a side note.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:58:21am

re: #418 lawhawk

And yet there were people defending Flynn as having done nothing wrong as late as yesterday. One even thought I was being hysterical about the need to proceed with criminal prosecution ultimately ending with him at Leavenworth or ADX Florence.

Yeah, about that. The GOP owns this entire shitshow from complicity to coverup; and right now that’s the phase we’re seeing unfold.

People who cried LOCK HER UP about emails can go suck a big ole bag of dickers.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:58:30am

Right, because the damage control means getting rid of all the competent people and replacing them with partisan hacks who are more than willing to overlook clear threats to national security.

The admin is leaking like a sieve because they’re frickin’ incompetents who are being played by the Russians. Top down. Getting rid of all the holdovers wont fix any of this (and the slow pace of confirmation is on… the GOP btw).

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:59:10am

Please reload my #419. Posted the wrong tweet.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 7:59:32am

Fascinating article.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:00:27am

re: #415 Jay C

Actually, my first thought on reading that Trump and his team don’t (didn’t?) know how to call out the National Guard was that it is (was?) probably/maybe a good thing, as I’m sure there are folks in the WH who would only be too happy to call out troops to enforce “respect” for President Trump and his policies….

I responded that it was probably good as he would have called them to Chicago. Duel edged sword here.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:01:20am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:01:29am

re: #423 lawhawk

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Right, because the damage control means getting rid of all the competent people and replacing them with partisan hacks who are more than willing to overlook clear threats to national security.

The admin is leaking like a sieve because they’re frickin’ incompetents who are being played by the Russians. Top down. Getting rid of all the holdovers wont fix any of this (and the slow pace of confirmation is on… the GOP btw).

Obama admin holdovers aka people who actually know how to turn on the lights, call the national guard, and aren’t in perpetual rage.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:02:39am

I had a suspicion that winning may have proven to be far more worse for the GOP brand than losing. Honestly, some of this I find a little enjoying after they attacked Obama over every last thing.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:04:11am
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Jay C  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:05:18am

re: #425 MsJ

Fascinating article.

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Fascinating, but just a bit chilling. It’s never a good thing, IMO, to read about military brass grumping about “turmoil in government” - especially when they toss in stuff like “we’re a nation at war”. RLY?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:08:34am

If the US website for Walmart is anywhere near as bad as the one in Canada, Amazon has *nothing* and I mean not one thing to worry about.

I will spare you the details of my autoship update, cancel, call, update, call, reorder, cancel, reorder, again and again, but it was so bad I canceled literally everything (they are unfortunately the only place I can get the coffee I drink - and who knows for how long). Their website and order process was laughingly (not to mention frustratingly) bad.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:09:36am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Obama admin holdovers aka people who actually know how to turn on the lights, call the national guard, and aren’t in perpetual rage.

I bet a whole lot of those “Obama admin holdovers” are Bush admin holdovers.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:09:42am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I think going rom 7.25 to 15 would be too risky too. If we had raised the minimum wage more regularly, then it perhaps would be 15 right now or even higher. I noticed that too. I feel bad for these people, I really do but there’s a lot of cluelessness here and it’s something and I don’t want to restart last night that simply isn’t the DNC or Democratic Party’s fault. We told these people what Trump was, we told what Clinton stood for, and many of them still embraced him.

There are a few cities where $15/hr makes sense; as long as States don’t forbid cities from doing that I’m fine.

As a national standard, no. Places where the cost-of-living is low, $10/hr is plenty enough.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:10:23am

re: #433 Belafon

I bet a whole lot of those “Obama admin holdovers” are Bush admin holdovers.

Wouldn’t surprise me. Wasn’t Yates first appointed by Bush?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:10:32am

re: #431 Jay C

Fascinating, but just a bit chilling. It’s never a good thing, IMO, to read about military brass grumping about “turmoil in government” - especially when they toss in stuff like “we’re a nation at war”. RLY?

Well, we are. We are in a war of ideas, a war for the ideology and future of the US. We are at war with a president who is under Russian thumbs. What happens when he calls up the military to avenge some perceived slight? To nuke someone because they said some shit about his daughter?

We *are* in turmoil and it is something we, as a country, need to figure out.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:11:18am

re: #432 MsJ

If the US website for Walmart is anywhere near as bad as the one in Canada, Amazon has *nothing* and I mean not one thing to worry about.

I will spare you the details of my autoship update, cancel, call, update, call, reorder, cancel, reorder, again and again, but it was so bad I canceled literally everything (they are unfortunately the only place I can get the coffee I drink - and who knows for how long). Their website and order process was laughingly (not to mention frustratingly) bad.

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What coffee do you drink? I’m curious.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:11:45am

re: #434 sagehen

There are a few cities where $15/hr makes sense; as long as States don’t forbid cities from doing that I’m fine.

As a nation standard, no. Places where the cost-of-living is low, $10/hr is plenty enough.

Oh certainly, if a city wants to raise their minimum wage to 15, that’s absoultely okay with me but nation wide, no. The argument I hate is “Well why not 50 or 100.” You need to have your employees be able to contribute to the economy. Otherwise, you have an economy of haves and have nots.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:12:12am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me. Wasn’t Yates first appointed by Bush?

Yes. Obama didn’t feel like he had to replace every Bush appointee. Sadly, he also kept Comey.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:12:29am

re: #432 MsJ

Agreed. I am sure the attitude inside Amazon is “come at us bro!”.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:13:39am

But. but…the Moose-lambs…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:14:19am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:14:24am

re: #439 wheat-dogg

Yes. Obama didn’t feel like he had to replace every Bush appointee. Sadly, he also kept Comey.

Yeah keeping Comey was a big mistake.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:15:07am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

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If the president does, that means it’s not illegal!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:15:24am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

Related…

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:16:44am

re: #437 wheat-dogg

What coffee do you drink? I’m curious.

Carte Noire Tassimo Long Espresso. While there are other Tassimo espresso coffees, this one is the one that I think tastes the best.

$15.99 on Amazon US. $9.29 CAN on amazon.ca…ships in 1-3 MONTHS. Around the same price at walmart.ca but (when they deem to grace me with allowing me to place an order) arrives in 4 days.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:17:19am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:17:38am

re: #423 lawhawk

Right, because the damage control means getting rid of all the competent people and replacing them with partisan hacks who are more than willing to overlook clear threats to national security.

The admin is leaking like a sieve because they’re frickin’ incompetents who are being played by the Russians. Top down. Getting rid of all the holdovers wont fix any of this (and the slow pace of confirmation is on… the GOP btw).

Bwwwwaaahahhah

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:18:10am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:18:44am

re: #445 FormerDirtDart

Related…

Chaffetz suddenly seems incredibly…careful, circumspect.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:18:57am

re: #447 FormerDirtDart

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Which honestly really speaks to me about what a lot of non-college whites want from their government. Obviously not everyone of of them is a bigot, my own father fits Trump’s most popular demo to a tee- he’s an over 65 white guy with a high school education but he hates Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:19:33am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

So, we’re in for more leaks. Works for me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:19:39am

re: #451 Sir John Barron

Chaffetz suddenly seems incredibly…careful, circumspect.

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Maybe if Mike Flynn changed his naem to Hillary Rodham Clinton, he’d be interested.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:19:40am

re: #451 Sir John Barron

Chaffetz suddenly seems incredibly…careful, circumspect.

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Maybe he can do a 12th Benghazi investigation.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:19:50am

gah

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:20:10am

re: #446 MsJ

Carte Noire Tassimo Long Espresso. While there are other Tassimo espresso coffees, this one is the one that I think tastes the best.

$15.99 on Amazon US. $9.29 CAN on amazon.ca…ships in 1-3 MONTHS. Around the same price at walmart.ca but (when they deem to grace me with allowing me to place an order) arrives in 4 days.

I just checked on Google. staples.ca, bestbuy.ca and bedbathandbeyond.ca also carry it, if I’m reading the results correctly.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:20:12am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Maybe if Mike Flynn changed his naem to Hillary Rodham Clinton, he’d be interested.

Maybe if he cut off his dick.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:21:18am

re: #456 Stanley Sea

gah

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And they call us snowflake. No, Trumpy, Betsy Devos went through the same process that every cabinet member does. You chose someone completely unqualified and uninterested in improving education in this country and someone who gave tons o money to many of the peole who voted on her confirmation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:21:36am

re: #458 MsJ

Maybe if he cut off his dick.

I thikn Flynn would do that for Putin.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:22:34am

re: #457 wheat-dogg

I just checked on Google. staples.ca, bestbuy.ca and bedbathandbeyond.ca also carry it, if I’m reading the results correctly.

Thanks. Best Buy is sold out. BB&B is a possibility. I will try them next time (I just got 6 cases). And fuck Staples. :-)

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:22:59am

re: #439 wheat-dogg

Yes. Obama didn’t feel like he had to replace every Bush appointee. Sadly, he also kept Comey.

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Yeah keeping Comey was a big mistake.

Ummm… Comey was appointed by Pres. Obama, in 2013.
Robert Mueller was carried over from 43’s administration.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:23:13am

I honestly thought Flynn would survive this. Not like the GOP congress gives a crap. And what does DT care about the media?

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:23:31am

re: #446 MsJ

Carte Noire Tassimo Long Espresso. While there are other Tassimo espresso coffees, this one is the one that I think tastes the best.

$15.99 on Amazon US. $9.29 CAN on amazon.ca…ships in 1-3 MONTHS. Around the same price at walmart.ca but (when they deem to grace me with allowing me to place an order) arrives in 4 days.

Are you in Canada? Maybe that has something to do with the problems and delays? I can’t see why it should, but maybe that’s the reason…

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thecommodore  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:24:01am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:26:11am
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:26:19am

re: #465 thecommodore

Oh how I would love for that to be true.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:26:40am

re: #462 FormerDirtDart

Ummm… Comey was appointed by Pres. Obama, in 2013.
Robert Mueller was carried over from 43’s administration.

I thought Comey was part of the DOJ apparatus though. Good point though.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:26:52am

I haven’t followed the Flynn resignation —did he take the a fall?

Do they think the Russia Scandal will go away now?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:27:13am

IF Pence is the guy with the most integrity in that WH, we’re in trouble.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:27:27am

re: #462 FormerDirtDart

Ummm… Comey was appointed by Pres. Obama, in 2013.
Robert Mueller was carried over from 43’s administration.

Also, Mueller took over the FBI on Sep. 4, 2001.
So yeah, he pretty much had the worst 2nd week on the job in history

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:30:05am

re: #464 Jay C

Are you in Canada? Maybe that has something to do with the problems and delays? I can’t see why it should, but maybe that’s the reason…

I am. Tassimo used to be the leader up here, while Keurig was taking over the states. Now, Keurig is gaining up here. I would order from the states if I could (I live in a border town) but it is very much more expensive there. I could always get this at the local store and they have less and less Tassimo and more and more Keurig, which is why I started ordering it online. But even that is starting to get sketchy. I prefer Tassimo as they do espresso well. If they go belly up, I will likely get a Nespresso machine.

My Tassimo has worked perfectly for like six years, too. No issues and it works as well now as it did when I first got it.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:31:11am

re: #465 thecommodore

If that is true, we are seeing a battle between the “conservative” nuts and the Nazi nuts.

Talk about lose-lose.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:31:46am

re: #469 Birth Control Works

I haven’t followed the Flynn resignation —did he take the a fall?

Do they think the Russia Scandal will go away now?

Last night around 9:00 or so.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:33:04am

re: #474 MsJ

Last night around 9:00 or so.

I got the BBC news alert and got to then hear the fox news version of events.

Seemed as tho he was “thrown under the bus”.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:33:07am
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:33:47am

So…should we take bets?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:33:53am

re: #472 MsJ

I am. Tassimo used to be the leader up here, while Keurig was taking over the states. Now, Keurig is gaining up here. I would order from the states if I could (I live in a border town) but it is very much more expensive there. I could always get this at the local store and they have less and less Tassimo and more and more Keurig, which is why I started ordering it online. But even that is starting to get sketchy. I prefer Tassimo as they do espresso well. If they go belly up, I will likely get a Nespresso machine.

My Tassimo has worked perfectly for like six years, too. No issues and it works as well now as it did when I first got it.

My airbnb hostess in Tokyo had a Nespresso machine for her guests to use. I like it better than my daughter’s Keurig, but the plastic waste from both bugs me.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:34:05am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

I thought Comey was part of the DOJ apparatus though. Good point though.

Comey served in various positions in US Attorney’s offices until appointed Deputy Attorney General in 2003. He left in 2005, and was in the civilian sector until appointed by Pres. Obama

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:35:42am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:35:50am

re: #479 FormerDirtDart

Comey served in various positions in US Attorney’s offices until appointed Deputy Attorney General in 2003. He left in 2005, and was in the civilian sector until appointed by Pres. Obama

Ohhhh, thanks.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:35:53am

re: #479 FormerDirtDart

Comey served in various positions in US Attorney’s offices until appointed Deputy Attorney General in 2003. He left in 2005, and was in the civilian sector until appointed by Pres. Obama

OK. I misremembered Comey’s history.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:37:47am

re: #475 Birth Control Works

I got the BBC news alert and got to then hear the fox news version of events.

Seemed as tho he was “thrown under the bus”.

I think he was already under the bus tinkering with the transmission or something when Pence fired it up.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:39:13am

re: #477 Interesting Times

So…should we take bets?

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I wouldn’t take that bet. But there is this…

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:40:23am
“This is really all about resisting the Trump agenda,” protestor Wendy Wood told The Sacramento Bee. “Most of us have never participated in political activism of any sort,” Wood added. “Something is happening here, and people here are not happy with [Trump] and McClintock. We’re here to vote them out.”

Interesting Article —not sure of the source
Want to Stick It to Your Congressperson? Use This Tool
The Town Hall Project is tracking the bastards’ meetings

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:41:11am

I forgot this one.

Still lose-lose no matter which side wins. The establishment are nuts, the nazis are nuts, both will get people killed. I see no upside at all anywhere.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:42:28am

re: #484 MsJ

I wouldn’t take that bet. But there is this…

Priebus didn’t have very much power anyway. If it’s him and Pence against the rest of the group, Pence was pretty much alone anyway.

What’s going to be fun is that Trump can’t fire Pence. Pence will be marginalized, though.

But All of this is showing just how incompetent the group is.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:43:59am

re: #487 Belafon

Priebus didn’t have very much power anyway. If it’s him and Pence against the rest of the group, Pence was pretty much alone anyway.

What’s going to be fun is that Trump can’t fire Pence. Pence will be marginalized, though.

But All of this is showing just how incompetent the group is.

How long until Trump kicks Pence out of the West Wing?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:44:18am

re: #485 Birth Control Works

Interesting Article —not sure of the source
Want to Stick It to Your Congressperson? Use This Tool
The Town Hall Project is tracking the bastards’ meetings

We need to tweet that far and wide. Here…RT.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:44:31am

re: #461 MsJ

Thanks. Best Buy is sold out. BB&B is a possibility. I will try them next time (I just got 6 cases). And fuck Staples. :-)

I loved Tassimo but it got harder to find the coffees I liked. The only store selling the T-Discs here in Los Angeles is Bed, Bath & Beyond and they were often out of stock of the discs I wanted.

So I switched to buying San Francisco Bay coffee on the net because they’re family owned and their pods are totally recyclable like Nespresso’s are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:48:20am

Confession, I like gas station cappuchinos because sometimes they have unique flavors. It’s not great coffee I concede but if it’s hot, flavorful enough, and it wakes me up on a cold day, it works.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:49:53am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:50:50am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Confession, I like gas station cappuchinos because sometimes they have unique flavors. It’s not great coffee I concede but if it’s hot, flavorful enough, and it wakes me up on a cold day, it works.

Wawa coffee or bust.

I even buy the packs of ground coffee they sell to brew at home.

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thecommodore  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:52:00am

Meanwhile, here is Trump’s approval rating, sans Rassmussen…which not so remarkably shows him (most recently) at 52%.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:52:17am

re: #493 Timothy Watson

Wawa coffee or bust.

I even buy the packs of ground coffee they sell to brew at home.

We don’t have a lot of Wawas here.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:53:30am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

We don’t have a lot of Wawas here.

What a destitute hell you live in.

///

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meteor  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:53:44am

This mess of an administration would make a really good board game.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:54:05am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:54:34am

re: #494 thecommodore

Meanwhile, here is Trump’s approval rating, sans Rassmussen…which not so remarkably shows him (most recently) at 52%.

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Amongst white folks. Any others are in mostly single digits.

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meteor  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:55:05am

re: #493 Timothy Watson

I like their chocolate shakes.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:55:30am

re: #498 Birth Control Works

Cincinnati is really on a roll lately, isn’t it? I love reading the follow ups on Fiona.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:55:48am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Confession, I like gas station cappuccinos because sometimes they have unique flavors. It’s not great coffee I concede but if it’s hot, flavorful enough, and it wakes me up on a cold day, it works.

gas station coffee is often very very good. I often add some of the mocha cappachino instead of sugar —sometimes they charge me for it, sometimes not.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:56:07am

re: #497 meteor

This mess of an administration would make a really good board game.

General Flynn in the den with Putin’s cock.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:57:00am

re: #502 Birth Control Works

gas station coffee is often very very good. I often add some of the mocha cappachino instead of sugar —sometimes they charge me for it, sometimes not.

They have the creme packets too. I got a French vanilla 16 oz for only a buck the other day after I finished up a class.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 8:59:56am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

General Flynn in the den with Putin’s cock.

Do not pass go, do not collect political donations …

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:00:22am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

They have the creme packets too. I got a French vanilla 16 oz for only a buck the other day after I finished up a class.

Still, Dunkin makes it the way you like it and you don’t have to get out of the car.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:00:51am
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The_Burren  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:00:51am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:01:14am

Good lord. I just looked at Nespresso machines and, oh joy, they have multiple types of “pods” ensuring that I will inevitably order the wrong thing. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:01:20am

re: #505 Birth Control Works

Do not pass go, do not collect political donations …

NAZI! (Yahtzee)

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:03:26am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:03:43am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:03:58am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:04:40am

The dog and pony show is getting boring in it’s absurdity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:06:05am

re: #511 Birth Control Works

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She’s a bad pick. Not someone who has small businesses interests. Far from the worst Trump admin pick but still bad.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:06:30am
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scottslemmons  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:07:22am

re: #497 meteor

This mess of an administration would make a really good board game.

You could make a super-weird Illuminati game with the Trump admin.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:10:01am

re: #511 Birth Control Works

The Senate voted 81-19 to confirm McMahon, who helped start and grow World Wrestling Entertainment Inc.

Another bought and paid for secretary.

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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:10:56am

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Nope. Always twaterrific.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:11:32am
A major contribution has come from the changing nature of migration. People should remember that Mexican migration is now at a net negative. More Mexicans are leaving through deportation, and voluntary return, than are entering the United States legally and illegally.

Shameless Pages Promotion

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:12:50am

re: #496 Timothy Watson

What a destitute hell you live in.

///

What is a Wawa?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:13:50am

re: #516 FormerDirtDart

Nothing like deploying cruise missiles to focus the mind, and the realization that not only is Putin playing the Trump admin, but our national security is a lot worse than it was just 3 short weeks ago.

There’s no way you can claim that we’re better off now. None.

Even those ICE raids are a charade (as damaging as they are). 700 people arrested in a week. Even if they keep up that pace, that amounts to all of 36400 per year. And with 10+ million illegal aliens estimated to be in the country, it’d take… 274 years and change. (hey, who said there’d be MATH!)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:14:56am

re: #521 Birth Control Works

What is a Wawa?

Gas station/conveince store. I think they’re most common on the east coast.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:15:37am

Heh

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bws58  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:15:56am

re: #521 Birth Control Works

A hipster version of a 7/11

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:16:10am

re: #518 MsJ

Another bought and paid for secretary.

I researched her extensively since we do a monthly small business newsletter at the office for the county’s small busienss owners. I wrote about the court upholding the Obama DOL’s Fiduciary rule this month.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:16:30am

Ryan isn’t on same page as WH.

Someone’s lying here.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:16:52am

re: #525 bws58

A hipster version of a 7/11

Don’t make me come over there!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:17:38am

re: #508 The_Burren

Looking at that photo of Vlad - looks like he should schedule another facelift.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:18:13am

re: #523 HappyWarrior

Gas station/conveince store. I think they’re most common on the east coast.

Yeah, they started in Pennsylvania and have crept up and down I-95.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:19:10am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:19:12am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:19:35am

re: #530 Timothy Watson

Yeah, they started in Pennsylvania and have crept up and down I-95.

Yeah I think they started in the Philly area. I’ve been to them when I’ve been on the Eastern Shore. Anyhow lcset one to me is in Chantilly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:20:11am

re: #532 Dr. Matt

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We actually became what he said we were under Obama.

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lizardofid  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:21:17am

re: #512 Birth Control Works

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“experts call the decision to use the weapon in such quantities against targets it wasn’t designed for - such as tanks - peculiar at best.”

Maybe the “use by” date was coming up?

//

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:21:42am

re: #534 HappyWarrior

We actually became what he said we were under Obama.

Precisely.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:22:50am

How White House advisor Stephen Miller went from pestering Hispanic students to designing Trump’s immigration policy

The president’s young adviser was a provocateur in his California high school, where he was hostile to Latinos and other minorities. Stephen Miller wrote in his high school yearbook: “There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country.”

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:23:32am

Interesting side-by-side articles. I don’t think I am buying what Bloomberg is selling, nor are most of the people in the comments.

From the Guardian:

During the 24 days Flynn served as national security adviser, Trump’s political and policy aides Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, along with Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, were said to be the true inner circle, with Flynn on the outside.

Yet in significant ways, Trump had already given Flynn what he desired most - a triumphant comeback.

Some comeback.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:24:05am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I think Grassley is the Senate Pro Temp not Mitchie.

haven’t read through the thread yet, but it’s Orrin Hatch.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:24:17am

re: #516 FormerDirtDart

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Thanks. Following Ms. Eoyang’s twitter, she points out that Devin Nunes was heavily involved in Trump transition. He’s head of House Intel committee that Chaffetz is deferring to (and is currently suggesting the FBI be investigated for listening in of Flynn). WTF does he have to hide, she asks.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:24:40am

re: #526 HappyWarrior

I researched her extensively since we do a monthly small business newsletter at the office for the county’s small busienss owners. I wrote about the court upholding the Obama DOL’s Fiduciary rule this month.

More please. What were your findings?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:25:05am

re: #531 FormerDirtDart

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I am old enough to remember when the President and the intelligence community could monitor any American’s phone calls at anytime.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:25:12am

re: #527 lawhawk

Someone’s lying here.

All of ‘em, Katie!

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:27:51am

Charles, can we have a category for Misogyny?

Oklahoma Anti-Abortion Lawmaker Says Women Are ‘Hosts’

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:28:52am

re: #544 Birth Control Works

You could just file that under GOP. /nope, not sarcasm.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:29:01am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:29:45am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:30:17am

1) Russians are here to pick up Flynn /

2) Nothing to see here, this is just regular stuff.

3) Russia knows WH is lax with opsec for classified info; what they wouldn’t get through their sources (HUMINT) they can now get via SIGINT.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:30:28am

re: #537 Birth Control Works

How White House advisor Stephen Miller went from pestering Hispanic students to designing Trump’s immigration policy

He’s that dick everyone hated in HS and now eh’s in teh WH.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:30:39am

re: #545 lawhawk

You could just file that under GOP. /nope, not sarcasm.

Such topics make my hands turn into claws.

not fists

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:31:01am

re: #547 Birth Control Works

There were more fliers passed out overnight a few towns over too. The KKK (or at least someone passing out their fliers) is becoming more brazen.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:31:37am

re: #539 Backwoods_Sleuth

haven’t read through the thread yet, but it’s Orrin Hatch.

Yeah I thikn you’re right. Grassley has been in the Senate since the early 80’s but Hatch got tehre in the 70’s I think.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:34:13am

re: #541 MsJ

More please. What were your findings?

Well, I only wrote about its feffect on small business. Our enwsletter is only one page but basically the jist of what I wrote is that Judge Lynn who upheld the rule did the right thing. If these difancial advisers want to take risks and their clients are okay with it, that’s fine but if a client wants to play it safe and have potentially a smaller ceiling for investments but a higher floor than I think the adviser needs to acknowledge that wish. I feel the same way about investing social security savings in the stock market. If yo want to do that, go ahead, but if you want to play it safe, you should be able to.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:35:04am

Looks like Ivanka lost US Magazine.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:38:06am

Article goes to LAWFARE.

Here is the direct link.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:38:44am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:39:20am

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:40:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:40:21am

re: #514 Birth Control Works

“Real story” on Flynn resignation is about “illegal leaks coming out of Washington,” President Trump tweets http://

and these are sleeper-cell Obama holdovers, probably some hidden in the cupboards and under floorboards, too…

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:42:11am

re: #548 lawhawk

1) Russians are here to pick up Flynn /

2) Nothing to see here, this is just regular stuff.

3) Russia knows WH is lax with opsec for classified info; what they wouldn’t get through their sources (HUMINT) they can now get via SIGINT.

Actually, I am curious how often this occurs.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:43:03am

re: #556 stpaulbear

He did not say that. Did he? No.

(Why do I find myself asking this repeatedly? Spicer is so outlandish I’m just…I can’t…I just can’t even…. Did he really say that?)

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:43:46am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

He’s that dick everyone hated in HS and now eh’s in teh WH.

And he blew all of his credibility by acting out the most ludicrous mean kid fantasies the moment he got his moment in the spotlight. Now everybody knows why everybody hated him back then.

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bratwurst  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:44:38am

Yes!!!!11!!!

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:44:42am

Supposedly stated in French.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:45:24am

re: #450 MsJ

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We wish. Its not going to happen.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:46:45am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:47:00am

re: #563 bratwurst

Yes!!!!11!!!

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And the alleged SJWs in the Weimar Republic were?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:47:16am

re: #565 Big Beautiful Door

We wish. Its not going to happen.

Until Republicans see their chance at future wins erode. Then…Trump meet Bus.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:47:31am

re: #566 wrenchwench

Investigations are what Republicans call when they’ve already decided an issue.

half sarc

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:47:56am

re: #561 MsJ

He did not say that. Did he? No.

(Why do I find myself asking this repeatedly? Spicer is so outlandish I’m just…I can’t…I just can’t even…. Did he really say that?)

I think it’s a joke but I don’t have an absolute answer for you.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:47:58am

re: #567 Timothy Watson

And the alleged SJWs in the Weimar Republic were?

because shut up.

//

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:48:03am

LMAO!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:48:37am

re: #463 Sir John Barron

I honestly thought Flynn would survive this. Not like the GOP congress gives a crap. And what does DT care about the media?

He doesn’t. However the intelligence community had the goods on Flynn that proved he lied to Mike Pence and embarrassed the Administration.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:49:38am

WE spend more time and money in congressional investigations so congress critters can cover their ass against any possible future litigation.

It’s all about keeping their jobs, not actually DOING their jobs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:50:08am

re: #572 MsJ

LMAO!

Thinky face emoji indeed, Infowars guy.

He cannot have resigned because he did anything illegal or treasonous or damaging to the US..it has to be some kind of Obamunist plot funded by Soros involving child sex beneath a basement-less pizzaria…

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:50:12am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:50:27am

CIA has to be all over the topic of Russia.

Have a feeling they are taking charge of everything, secretly, of course.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:50:44am

re: #497 meteor

It’s been done.

Used to be a favourite back when I had a decent games club to hang out at.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:51:38am

bbl

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #575 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He cannot have resigned because he did anything illegal or treasonous or damaging to the US..it has to be some kind of Obamunist plot funded by Soros involving child sex beneath a basement-less pizzaria…

I am shocked that I have not yet run out of WHAAAAA…? yet

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:54:32am

re: #572 MsJ

Watson’s tweet about Flynn Jr probably sounded better in the original Cyrillic.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:55:02am

re: #554 MsJ

Looks like Ivanka lost US Magazine.

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She’s every bit as bad as her father and brothers.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:55:54am

re: #576 MsJ

Of course. No surprise there.

The GOP is now a modern-day political version of the People’s Temple and Trump is their Rev. Jim Jones.

We all know how that ended.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:56:20am

re: #557 Birth Control Works

People also need to stop confusing their Hatred of Brown Skinned People with Christianity.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:56:45am

I’m late to the party here, but does anyone remember who recommended Flynn to Trump?

My hazy recollection is it was his sons because of their white supremacist connection to Flynn’s son, but I could certainly be wrong.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:57:42am

WASHINGTON — The White House has posted inaccurate texts of President Trump’s own executive orders on the White House website, raising further questions about how thorough the Trump administration has been in drafting some of his most controversial actions.

A USA TODAY review of presidential documents found at least five cases where the version posted on the White House website doesn’t match the official version sent to the Federal Register. The differences include minor grammatical changes, missing words and paragraph renumbering — but also two cases where the original text referred to inaccurate or non-existent provisions of law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:58:23am

re: #585 Skip Intro

I’m late to the party here, but does anyone remember who recommended Flynn to Trump?

My hazy recollection is it was his sons because of their white supremacist connection to Flynn’s son, but I could certainly be wrong.

I imagine Flynn got Trump’s attention because he was fired by Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:58:51am

re: #581 lawhawk

Watson’s tweet about Flynn Jr probably sounded better in the original Cyrillic.

oh, is Prison Planet Dude having a sad about Flynn?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 9:59:33am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:01:45am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:02:16am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart

Basic competencies.

Running a business isn’t like running the US government. And it’s showing.

If anything, this should put to rest any claim that a businessman can be president without any kind of government experience - whether via the military or legislative/executive branches of states or Congress.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:02:25am

re: #586 FormerDirtDart

Honest to God, it’s a good thing I’m not in charge of the music when Trump gets around to making his State of the Union Address, because instead of “Hail to the Chief”, he’d get this:

Entry Of The Gladiators - Julius Fucik

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:02:28am

re: #589 FormerDirtDart

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Theres young, gay, and people who write for hte NEw Yorker? Shocker!/

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:07:30am

re: #592 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, I think this is more appropriate (and note the history of the song and its purpose in the entertainment industry as a disaster march - signaling life threatening danger):

SOUSA The Stars and Stripes Forever - “The President’s Own” U.S. Marine Band

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:08:21am

re: #564 MsJ

disrespectful and tasteless

Sums Trump up in a single pithy phrase.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:10:34am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

Theres young, gay, and people who write for hte NEw Yorker? Shocker!/

Is Fox celebrating a conversion to conservatism or something?

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:10:49am

JFC

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:11:13am

re: #566 wrenchwench

It’s the GOP mindset. Verdict first, trial after.

They don’t like to do it to their own though.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:11:17am

re: #573 Big Beautiful Door

He doesn’t. However the intelligence community had the goods on Flynn that proved he lied to Mike Pence and embarrassed the Administration.

Or Flynn was acting with full knowledge of Trump and Pence, and is taking the fall to try to keep the investigation from going any deeper.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:14:34am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:14:49am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:15:41am

Pence is a Dominionist? I did not know that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:17:45am

re: #602 MsJ

Pence is a Dominionist? I did not know that.

Is that a sarcy question or were you unaware of his disregard for the separation of Church and State?

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:17:48am

re: #597 MsJ

Oi. Chaffetz? Go play with explosives.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:21:10am

re: #602 MsJ

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:21:28am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:21:35am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:21:53am

re: #603 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is that a sarcy question or were you unaware of his disregard for the separation of Church and State?

I am aware of the latter, but was curious of the former. Is he a Dominionist?

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:24:38am

“You did what I asked, and now you see what that gets you.”

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:25:01am
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bratwurst  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:25:33am

Wow, Spicer just lied about Trump being tough on Russia…that this administration is raising the issue of Crimea, which the previous administration “allowed” to be seized.

We are supposed to forget he said this last summer?

But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.

That’s tough!

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:26:30am

re: #610 jaunte

RudeJ returns…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:27:19am

re: #610 jaunte

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HAHAHAHA, yeah so tough. He practically fondles Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:27:34am

re: #611 bratwurst

Wow, Spicer just lied about Trump being tough on Russia…that this administration is raising the issue of Crimea, which the previous administration “allowed” to be seized.

We are supposed to forget he said this less than a year ago?

That’s tough!

He’s been tough. Not a puppet. Tough on Russia. Period.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:27:52am

re: #611 bratwurst

Wow, Spicer just lied about Trump being tough on Russia…that this administration is raising the issue of Crimea, which the previous administration “allowed” to be seized.

We are supposed to forget he said this less than a year ago?

That’s tough!

“Putin said we could tell you we’re tough on Russia.”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:28:44am

re: #610 jaunte

Irony has died, gone to the seventh hell.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:29:05am

Gang of bumblers can’t keep their lies lined up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:29:45am

Trump, who has never actually criticized Putin and in fact said he found him preferable to Obama is tough on Russia? That’s hilarious. Enjoy it Sean, Melissa McCarthy is going to be playing you for a lon g time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:30:02am

re: #608 MsJ

I am aware of the latter, but was curious of the former. Is he a Dominionist?

I do not know if he supports it openly and in those terms, but he would like to see America ruled as a Christian nation.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:31:51am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:32:18am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

I fear for her health. Telling that many lies can’t be healthy for anyone. Being that angry isn’t good for the heart.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:33:22am

“Doesn’t everyone negotiate freelance with hostile foreign governments?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:33:23am

re: #621 lawhawk

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It’s quite honestly the best thing to happen to SNL since Tina Fey’s Sarah Palin. I love Baldwin’s Trump but MM’s Spicer is brilliant.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:33:24am

re: #610 jaunte

O_o

I’d like to hear a tape of what a conversation between Spicer and Conway sounds like.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:33:28am

re: #619 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not know if he supports it openly and in those terms, but he would like to see America ruled as a Christian nation.

That I did know. I am pretty sure he agrees with that oaf in OK who things women are hosts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:33:44am

re: #622 jaunte

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“Doesn’t everyone negotiate freelance with hostile foreign governments?”

Such a hack.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:34:24am

This is a little scary. Beware.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:34:50am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:35:40am

re: #622 jaunte

I stolded that.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:36:13am

re: #623 HappyWarrior

It’s quite honestly the best thing to happen to SNL since Tina Fey’s Sarah Palin. I love Baldwin’s Trump but MM’s Spicer is brilliant.

I really want to see Rosie do Bannon. She is bang on in the looks department.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:36:35am

re: #625 MsJ

That I did know. I am pretty sure he agrees with that oaf in OK who things women are hosts.

a man who addresses his wife as “Mother”…

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:36:44am

re: #623 HappyWarrior

It’s quite honestly the best thing to happen to SNL since Tina Fey’s Sarah Palin. I love Baldwin’s Trump but MM’s Spicer is brilliant.

I find a lot of their stuff overrated, but you’re right. MM just killed it. That first one I laughed a lot.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:37:10am

Every public statement by this adminstration needs to get fact checked, because even basic stuff fails spelling, grammar, and reality.

Canadian PM is not Joe Trudeau. It is Justin Trudeau.

That you can’t get the names straight is disrespectful. But it’s also what happens when not a single person cares about accuracy and facts anywhere in the administration.

It’s how you get EOs citing to nonexistent statutory provisions.
It’s how press photos are mislabeled with the wrong date.
It’s how to, too, and two get confused.

It’s how you pick a band of malicious incompetents to run federal agencies with the express intention to sabotage the function of those agencies, and call it a success.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:37:20am

re: #630 MsJ

I really want to see Rosie do Bannon. She is bang on in the looks department.

I hope so too. Man if only my Nana were here to see that, she watched a lot of Rosie at tehend of her life.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:02am

re: #629 MsJ

Only when you offer it wholesale.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:12am

re: #633 lawhawk

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Every public statement by this adminstration needs to get fact checked, because even basic stuff fails spelling, grammar, and reality.

Canadian PM is not Joe Trudeau. It is Justin Trudeau.

That you can’t get the names straight is disrespectful. But it’s also what happens when not a single person cares about accuracy and facts anywhere in the administration.

It’s how you get EOs citing to nonexistent statutory provisions.
It’s how press photos are mislabeled with the wrong date.
It’s how to, too, and two get confused.

It’s how you pick a band of malicious incompetents to run federal agencies with the express intention to sabotage the function of those agencies, and call it a success.

God whata bunch of amateurs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:29am

re: #632 Sir John Barron

I find a lot of their stuff overrated, but you’re right. MM just killed it. That first one I laughed a lot.

It’s so funny.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:40am

re: #627 MsJ

This is a little scary. Beware.

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That’s all I need, more hatchling paranoia.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:50am

re: #627 MsJ

This is a little scary. Beware.

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This is part of the reason that I only have 40 Facebook friends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:38:58am
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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:39:10am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:39:24am

Now’d be the time for the yam to announce Sister Sarah as ambassador to Canada.

SQUIRREL!!!

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:39:39am

re: #577 Birth Control Works

CIA has to be all over the topic of Russia.

Have a feeling they are taking charge of everything, secretly, of course.

OLIVIA POPE’S FATHER will protect the Republic…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:39:48am

Watch—Trump Fri nite claimed he hadn’t heard about WP story that Flynn talked sanctions. Story was out for a day—and DOJ told WH last month.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:39:54am

re: #631 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a man who addresses his wife as “Mother”…

As weird as that is (in 2017) it is not weird if you look at it through Leave it to Beaver lenses. I have heard that before. It’s a throwback.

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bratwurst  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:40:02am

Billy Joel collecting huge royalties on Spicer’s presser today!

Billy Joel - A Matter of Trust

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:40:10am

re: #629 MsJ

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:40:33am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:40:45am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Are any of the reporters competent enough to ask if Flynn was questioned by the FBI?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:41:02am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:41:55am

Don’t hate me…..

….I’m only the messenger.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:42:01am

re: #629 MsJ

In a hallway interview, Sen. Tom Cotton shrugs off Flynn’s resignation as the administration “finding their sea legs.”

I was waiting for that lame-ass talking point to come out…just ironing out a few bugs.

And the “Obama holdovers” TP is getting good airplay now, too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:42:28am

re: #647 Kragar

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Us treasonous bastards gotta stick together.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:43:26am

re: #642 Stanley Sea

Now’d be the time for the yam to announce Sister Sarah as ambassador to Canada.

SQUIRREL!!!

That got quashed last night. CBC reported from Canadian government sources that was a no go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:43:35am

*blink*
Why hasn’t the yam yet responded to California’s request for assistance? The silence has been deafening.
And what about the fucking tornadoes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:44:48am

what a shitshow

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:46:26am

CLIP: @NancyPelosi on scapegoating, stonewalling and tweeting. Full video here: cs.pn #FlynnResignation

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:47:15am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

Trump, who has never actually criticized Putin and in fact said he found him preferable to Obama is tough on Russia? That’s hilarious. Enjoy it Sean, Melissa McCarthy is going to be playing you for a lon g time.

McCarthy and Alec Baldwin may be, for all intents and purposes, regular cast members of SNL for the next four years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:47:17am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:47:28am

re: #646 bratwurst

Billy Joel collecting huge royalties on Spicer’s presser today!

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If only this administration had a…

Depeche Mode - Policy Of Truth (Video)

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darthstar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:48:31am

re: #659 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is it as good as it looks?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:48:59am

re: #661 darthstar

Is it as good as it looks?

yep

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:49:23am

re: #633 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:49:26am

re: #658 Big Beautiful Door

McCarthy and Alec Baldwin may be, for all intents and purposes, regular cast members of SNL for the next four years.

Got a kick seeing McKinnon playing Sessions. It wasn’t a great impression but I laughed and I know how much it pisses off Trump that women play his male aides. Now, the question, who plays Stephen Miller?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:50:07am

re: #659 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:51:23am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:00am

re: #654 MsJ

That got quashed last night. CBC reported from Canadian government sources that was a no go.

NICE

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:03am

re: #511 Birth Control Works

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“The Senate has confirmed former WWE executive Linda McMahon to lead the Small Business Administration “
Motto: Make all businesses small again.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:42am

re: #655 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*blink*
Why hasn’t the yam yet responded to California’s request for assistance? The silence has been deafening.
And what about the fucking tornadoes?

He is waiting for Congress to pas an aid bill that makes it dependent on abolishing Sanctuary Cities and delivering a certain number of illegals…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:52:47am

Copied from elsewhere:

“Wikileaks, I love Wikileaks.”
-Donald Trump, 10/10/16

“Wikileaks is amazing.”
-Donald Trump, 10/11/16

“[Y]ou see so much from these Wikileaks. You see so much. There’s so much.”
-Donald Trump, 10/11/16

“And one of the big advantages of me having a rather large microphone, and meaning a lot of people are listening, is that I can talk about Wikileaks and we are live, it’s amazing.”
-Donald Trump, 10/12/16

“The sad part is we don’t talk about Wikileaks because it’s incredible.”
-Donald Trump, 10/13/16

“And by the way, Wikileaks came out with lots of really unbelievable things. Just minutes ago. In fact, I almost delayed this speech by about two hours, it’s so interesting.”
-Donald Trump, 10/15/16

“We’ve learned so much from Wikileaks.”
-Donald Trump, 10/20/16

“We love Wikileaks. Wikileaks. They have revealed a lot.”
-Donald Trump, 10/21/16

……….

“The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?”
-Adolf Drump, Giant Fucking Manbaby Hypocrite, 2/14/17

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:53:11am

re: #659 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whose? /

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:53:43am
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:54:03am

re: #672 Dr. Matt

These aren’t the leaks he’s looking for. /

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:54:06am

re: #659 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“We’re talkin’ heroin with the president
‘yes it’s a problem, sir, but it can’t be bent’.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:54:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:55:25am
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:56:06am

re: #663 GlutenFreeJesus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:56:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 10:57:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:00:16am
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:00:20am

re: #660 Timothy Watson

They do have a policy of truth. Whatever comes out of their mouths is the truth.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:02:09am

re: #113 Joe Bacon

That’s all part of Trump making America Great Again!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:02:27am
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:03:00am
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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:03:34am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:04:08am

re: #685 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Reopening”? Were they shut down under President Obama?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:04:26am

Two movies from the recent past that have more currency now than ever. Robocop and Starship Troopers.

Both are, in reality, satires of the very genres and what most people think is a celebration of the thing that the director actually is mocking in subtle and not so subtle ways. Both are Paul Verhoeven creations, and while I have enjoyed both immensely for their gratuitous action, they also provide a social critique that is as relevant today as it was when they were made.

In Robocop’s case, it was automation, corporations buying the privilege of running cities and their police forces. Out of control crime and violence leading to a corporate solution of rigging a system to expedite future sales (backing both the gangs and under paying the cops who are outmanned and outgunned).

With Starship Troopers, it was satire of fascism and mindless and slavish devotion to sloganeering and a military industrial complex that is out of its element against an enemy that it barely comprehends.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:04:39am

re: #685 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that standard to have to get congressional sponsorship several months in advance?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:05:02am

re: #688 Dr. Matt

“Reopening”? Were they shut down under President Obama?

No one had been selected to run the office after the Obamas left.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:06:01am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:06:28am

re: #664 HappyWarrior

Bring back Tina Fey for that. She can mimic just about anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:06:48am

Spicer confirms Trump was told of DOJ warning, which was not part of the story this morning shareblue.com#Flynnghazi

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:07:43am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:08:06am
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steve_davis  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:08:30am

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

In chess when playing black it’s a nice moment when you take out the white Bishop. But remember the game is about checking the white King.

the game is about MATING the opposing king. Checking him is sometimes just what we do out of spite when we’re getting our asses kicked otherwise. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:09:03am

re: #695 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is hilarious after he wanted us to kiss his puppet Snowden’s ass.

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Ubiq  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:09:28am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:09:44am

re: #695 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:09:44am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:10:01am

re: #659 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Christie is addicted to opium?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:11:02am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:11:39am

re: #693 Patricia Kayden

Bring back Tina Fey for that. She can mimic just about anyone.

I can’t see her as Sessions honestly.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:11:44am

re: #689 lawhawk

Starship Troopers is a good flick, though it pretty wildly diverges from its source material, but Robocop is nothing short of modern-day masterpiece. Probably Verhoeven’s best film; he hit it out of the ballpark on that one.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:11:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:12:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:13:28am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:13:45am

re: #705 Dr Lizardo

Starship Troopers is a good flick, though it pretty wildly diverges from its source material, but Robocop is nothing short of modern-day masterpiece. Probably Verhoeven’s best film; he hit it out of the ballpark on that one.

I need to buy Robocop on Blu-Ray. I’ve loved Peter Weller in a lot stuff I’ve seen him in.

Did you know that Weller has Ph.D. in art history?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:15:44am

re: #704 HappyWarrior

I can’t see her as Sessions honestly.

Not as Sessions as Steve Miller.

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lizardofid  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:16:45am

re: #709 Timothy Watson

I need to buy Robocop on Blu-Ray. I’ve loved Peter Weller in a lot stuff I’ve seen him in.

Did you know that Weller has Ph.D. in art history?

Has anyone watched the Fox show APB? I’ve just seen trailers, and it seems to have a Robocop feel to it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:17:09am

re: #710 Patricia Kayden

Not as Sessions as Steve Miller.

Ohhhhhh, Steve Miller, that would be fun. Trying ot think of a good person for Amy Poehler to play.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:19:23am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:20:03am

I LOVE HER

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:20:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:21:02am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:21:59am

re: #716 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet you’ve voted for everyone of their cabinet members, Johnny.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:22:16am

re: #715 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck it, man.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:22:17am

re: #709 Timothy Watson

I need to buy Robocop on Blu-Ray. I’ve loved Peter Weller in a lot stuff I’ve seen him in.

Did you know that Weller has Ph.D. in art history?

Yes, I did. He even hosted a show, “Engineering An Empire” back in the day on the History Channel. Pretty cool.

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Kafitrar  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:22:47am

re: #547 Birth Control Works

KKK FLIERS DISTRIBUTED TO RESIDENTS IN CINNAMINSON

rKJGuTu48m3PqkKTGTALjbE3hs0Mtask0XpT3WIjyVaZRbTMgkWawZaLnx154SkW5RFIB9PwOCggxK6oxJeEaQ==

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:23:01am

re: #719 Dr Lizardo

Yes, I did. He even hosted a show, “Engineering An Empire” back in the day on the History Channel. Pretty cool.

Wait, tehre was a time when the history channel didn’t have aliens? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:23:04am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:23:41am

Aaaaaaaaannnnddddd this

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:24:16am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:24:29am

re: #721 HappyWarrior

Wait, tehre was a time when the history channel didn’t have aliens? //

LOL

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:24:40am

re: #695 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, whut now?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:24:44am

re: #724 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like Bob Casey.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:24:45am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:25:51am

re: #728 MsJ

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Now you see why what I meant last night about being cynical about my generation. THis kid is nearly ten years younger than me.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:26:13am

re: #705 Dr Lizardo

Starship Troopers is a good flick, though it pretty wildly diverges from its source material, but Robocop is nothing short of modern-day masterpiece. Probably Verhoeven’s best film; he hit it out of the ballpark on that one.

Absolutely. ST definitely goes in a totally different direction than the source material, but once you see it on its own (and don’t bother with any of the sequels), you realize just how much of a modern day satire it truly is.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:26:56am

re: #721 HappyWarrior

Wait, tehre was a time when the history channel didn’t have aliens? //

And A&E included things from the arts and entertainment realm and The Learning Channel wasn’t all Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:27:56am

re: #731 MsJ

And A&E included things from the arts and entertainment realm and The Learning Channel wasn’t all Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty.

Those were the days!

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:28:28am

re: #729 HappyWarrior

Now you see why what I meant last night about being cynical about my generation. THis kid is nearly ten years younger than me.

Want some extra cynicism? Hope Hicks is younger than both of us and she’s on Trump’s staff.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:29:49am

re: #719 Dr Lizardo

Yes, I did. He even hosted a show, “Engineering An Empire” back in the day on the History Channel. Pretty cool.

Might have to buy or download that.

re: #721 HappyWarrior

Wait, tehre was a time when the history channel didn’t have aliens? //

I remember when people mocked it as the “Nazi Channel”.

I’m sure most of those people would love to have the “Nazi Channel” back. At least that was actual history.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:30:05am

re: #730 lawhawk

Absolutely. ST definitely goes in a totally different direction than the source material, but once you see it on its own (and don’t bother with any of the sequels), you realize just how much of a modern day satire it truly is.

Much like what was done with American Psycho. Turned into a pitch-black comedy horror film. I read the book when it first came out and I thought, “There’s no way in hell anyone’s ever gonna make a movie outta this!!”

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:30:29am

re: #729 HappyWarrior

Now you see why what I meant last night about being cynical about my generation. THis kid is nearly ten years younger than me.

I get it but don’t look at the few as the many. There are equally outstanding people. We tend to just show the worst.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:31:05am

re: #733 Timothy Watson

What some extra cynicism? Hope Hicks is younger than both of us and she’s on Trump’s staff.

I think I was reading about a 22 year old recent grad (never got the kid’s name) working on executive orders. How the hell did these kids fall for Trump? I stil llove that description of Steve Miller though- a 70 year old man in the 1930’s. In otherwords, too regressive for my great grandpas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:32:01am

re: #736 MsJ

I get it but don’t look at the few as the many. There are equally outstanding people. We tend to just show the worst.

Very true and I have to say, my younger co-workers are on the right track. In fact, one of my coworkers sent me a John Oliver vid about the fidcuiary rule we were discussing earlier.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:32:28am

re: #734 Timothy Watson

Might have to buy or download that.

I remember when people mocked it as the “Nazi Channel”.

I’m sure most of those people would love to have the “Nazi Channel” back. At least that was actual history.

I liked it when it was the Hitler Channel. i’m a huge WWII history nerd.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:34:07am

Gulf of Tonkin II:

So, if you think Mattis is the level-headed one, it looks like he’s upping the ante and thinking that the best way to show leadership to Trump is to promote idea of boarding Iranian ships to try and prove that they were supporting terrorists elsewhere.

Both he and Flynn had something to prove after getting canned by Obama Administration, and both think the best way to prove they were right was to do what exactly? Potentially start a war? Colluding with Russia (who happens to be benefactor to Iran)?

My head hurts from all this bullshit spewing from the admin.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:34:22am

re: #739 HappyWarrior

I liked it when it was the Hitler Channel. i’m a huge WWII history nerd.

Me too!

I liked History International too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:35:11am

I guess it’s so much cynicism about my generation but more disappointment that our conservatives haven’t actually evolved. In fact, many are worse than their parents and grandparents. Was talking to my brother today about how he saw a video a friend of ours posted about someone “destroying” pro-choice arguments and pro-transgendered argruments. I knew immediately it was Ben Shapiro. My brother’s a different kind of lefty than we are but he’s at least got his head and heart in the right place and isn’t obsesed with telling people ow to live like Shapiro and our friend are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2017 • 11:36:27am

re: #741 Timothy Watson

Me too!

I liked History International too.

Dude, I loved Great Spy Stories. Such a fun show. I also liked Haunted History. I don’t believe in ghosts but I like folklore and that show was cool because you learned about the history of some major cities as well. They just had cool stuff. It really sucks what the history channel has become. Thaknfully, some of their old stuff is on Youtube. I loved Simon Schama’s History of Britain too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:14:57pm

re: #712 HappyWarrior

Ohhhhhh, Steve Miller, that would be fun. Trying ot think of a good person for Amy Poehler to play.

Reince?

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austin_blue  Feb 14, 2017 • 12:21:21pm

re: #658 Big Beautiful Door

McCarthy and Alec Baldwin may be, for all intents and purposes, regular cast members of SNL for the next four years.

Well, you’re making a Yuge assumption, there.


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