Video: Trump's Complete Unhinged Press Conference

Video: Trump’s Complete Unhinged Press Conference

PoliticsFebruary 2017 • Views: 37,443

Because I can hardly believe what I watched earlier today (and I missed the first part), here’s the full video of Donald Trump’s marathon freakout session today.

Don’t miss the section in which he discusses uranium and how it’s used for things, sometimes even bad things. Or the numerous sections in which he says the press hates him and whines about the “tone” and the “venom” and the hmmm… glavin!

Seriously, I’ve never seen anything like this in all my years observing US politics. This guy is dangerously unhinged and unstable… but you knew that.

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InfidelOfFreedom Feb 16, 2017 • 5:25:01pm

In addition to being tiny, his pink little hands betray the fact that this man has never done a day of work in his life.

teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 5:26:33pm

+1 for the Professor Frink reference.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:27:55pm

Trump: “I inherited a mess–worse than 2009, 1933 or 1861. And I fixed it, but the media won’t report it. Liars!”#TrumpPressConference

— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) February 17, 2017

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 5:29:58pm

So, this is totally normal, right?

Jared Kushner asked Time Warner to act against CNN people Trump doesn’t like. WSJ scoop. https://t.co/mLLrHloeGv

— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) February 17, 2017

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 5:30:14pm

re: #3 Anymouse

Did Trump actually mention these dates when he talked about inheriting the ‘mess’?

That would be fucked in the head, even for POTUS* Trump.

Patricia Kayden Feb 16, 2017 • 5:30:39pm

Yet his supporters think he did a great job sticking it to the lie-brul media.

lawhawk Feb 16, 2017 • 5:30:42pm

re: #4 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Kushner can’t even deal with Time Warner and CNN, but he’s going to solve the Middle East peace process.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:30:46pm

LOL:
Admiral Harward turns down Trump, says he has to wash his hair. (He’s bald.)

Admiral Harward turns down Trump! Says he has to wash his hair.https://t.co/7gKWqA2qcf

— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) February 16, 2017

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Patricia Kayden Feb 16, 2017 • 5:31:19pm

re: #4 A wild WITHAK appeared!

This is fascism.

FormerDirtDart Feb 16, 2017 • 5:32:00pm

thanks to a retweet by @Nick_Offerman

https://t.co/dVoM9aLh0b pic.twitter.com/Q6fZMMJ4vP

— Matt Davies (@MatttDavies) February 16, 2017

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 5:32:27pm

re: #4 A wild WITHAK appeared!

So, this is totally normal, right?

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Of course its normal for Republicans. Like anyone else they have friends (Republicans), enemies (everyone else) and tools or useful idiots they want to use against their enemies.

In this case, they want Time Warner to act as their satrap vs. CNN.

Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 5:32:42pm

It’s all good fun watching lunatic rulers make fools of themselves, but at some point they always start killing people.

Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 5:33:34pm

re: #9 Patricia Kayden

This is fascism.

Yes, it is.

EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 5:34:20pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

It’s all good fun watching lunatic rulers make fools of themselves, but at some point they always start killing people.

Tomorrow at the Trump rally is likely the first step in getting the old ultra-violence started.

goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 5:35:23pm

Incoming wanker.

@goddamnedfrank @JakeTurx FALSE. Uptick traced2 increasingly anti-Israel rhetoric from radical democrats who support BDS among other things

— Reuvs (@reuvs) February 17, 2017

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Joe Bacon Feb 16, 2017 • 5:35:52pm

Meanwhile Right wingers are having multiple orgasms over this!

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 5:36:34pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

It’s all good fun watching lunatic rulers make fools of themselves, but at some point they always start killing people.

WEEK 4: “Nuclear holocaust would be like no other.” - Trump #ThursdayThoughts pic.twitter.com/Ts2tBfAW6u

— The Baxter Bean (@TheBaxterBean) February 16, 2017

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 5:37:36pm

re: #4 A wild WITHAK appeared!

So, this is totally normal, right?

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And here it is. Quid pro quo. Stop giving Trump bad coverage & you get your deal. #CrookedTrump https://t.co/jmIjFPPfJL pic.twitter.com/Gn4mq0Gaxq

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) February 17, 2017

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Hecuba's daughter Feb 16, 2017 • 5:38:37pm

I’m at work so didn’t listen, but probably would not have anyway.

A friend, who tried listening on her car radio on her return home from errands, was aghast and couldn’t tolerate more than a few minutes. She said he was impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions. She is totally bewildered on how somehow as incoherent as Trump could be elected,

FormerDirtDart Feb 16, 2017 • 5:39:21pm

@attackerman Jerry Boykin?

— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) February 17, 2017

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 5:40:15pm

Because I can hardly believe what I watched earlier today (and I missed the first part), here’s the full video of Donald Trump’s marathon freakout session today.

No. Just no. I can’t. I can’t listen to that whiny, nasal voice making crazy noises.

Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:40:32pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

@reuvs @goddamnedfrank @JakeTurx FALSE. Uptick traced increasingly to the alt-right Trump base lots of whom love antisemitism & Holo-denial.

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) February 17, 2017

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 5:42:19pm

Bernie Sanders also has a whiny nasal voice but he was only slightly annoying to listen to. Fuckface Von Clownstick is nails on chalkboard turned up to eleventy bazillion with tasers and razorblades.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:42:57pm

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

Yet his supporters think he did a great job sticking it to the lie-brul media.

See my regional newspaper today on that:

Trump Supporters Cheer His Combative Stance with the Media (Goes to the Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald))

CHARLESTON, w.va. (AP) — Critics of President Donald Trump saw in his Thursday news conference a combative, thin-skinned chief executive who continues to blame the media for the controversies roiling his administration.

His supporters saw something else: A champion of Middle America who is taking on the establishment and making good on his campaign promises to put the country first.

(more at the Star-Herald)

goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 5:43:10pm

The people who listened to #TrumpPressConference and thought “that’s some reasonably smart, presidential shit,” have snakes in their brains.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) February 17, 2017

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plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 5:43:54pm

I just got called a racist for calling out combover’s racism.

I’m so proud. It’s my first true FB troll. <3

MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 5:44:16pm

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m at work so didn’t listen, but probably would not have anyway.

A friend, who tried listening on her car radio on her return home from errands, was aghast and couldn’t tolerate more than a few minutes. She said he was impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions. She is totally bewildered on how somehow as incoherent as Trump could be elected,

I won’t listen, I’ll read.

Here’s the transcript.

nytimes.com

The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 5:44:21pm

Oh wow it appears @realDonaldTrump released yet another media survey. Please take it: https://t.co/QoUAdNQePA pic.twitter.com/xlt9lqtKt9

— The Nib (@thenib) February 17, 2017

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Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:45:02pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

@goddamnedfrank Now, don’t insult snakes. Feces is what they have inside. Compromise solution: snake feces.

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) February 17, 2017

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 5:45:19pm

One of my senators. Heh.

.@POTUS: “This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine.” pic.twitter.com/m0rO7oQMOv

— Michael F. Bennet (@SenBennetCO) February 16, 2017

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Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:46:06pm

Trump is 70.

I hope that … makes a difference.

Won’t get more detailed than that.

majii Feb 16, 2017 • 5:46:28pm

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

“A friend, who tried listening on her car radio on her return home from errands, was aghast and couldn’t tolerate more than a few minutes. She said he was impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions. She is totally bewildered on how somehow as incoherent as Trump could be elected…”

In TrumpWorld, being impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions is known as WINNING! BIGLY!

teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 5:47:41pm

re: #31 Nyet

Trump is 70.

I hope that … makes a difference.

Won’t get more detailed than that.

Weighs almost 300 lbs. Doesn’t exercise. Eats McDonald’s and KFC proudly. Hates stairs.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:47:47pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

One of my senators. Heh.

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That looks like my old washing machine when it died. Is that what the country elected for President?

MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 5:48:06pm

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the most fucking insanest thing. Here’s on and on and on about Hillary. To what end I have no idea.

This guy is seriously nuts. The world is in grave danger.

Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:49:00pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Weighs almost 300 lbs. Doesn’t exercise. Eats McDonald’s and KFC proudly. Hates stairs.

The sooner, the better.

Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 5:49:59pm

I guess this is what you describe as meta?

My private message to CL was at the end of last thread. I look up and new thread has 35 comments.

Ima trying again.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 5:50:04pm

re: #22 Nyet

She seems nice.

@wearingwelcome @grip__terry @natesilver538 @willfleet it’s sad but true that the NYT is run by liberal Jews, as is much of the MSM.

— Reuvs (@reuvs) September 16, 2016

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Her timeline paints a picture of a “more frum than thou” Ultra-Orthodox zealot who likes likes to paint herself as the final arbiter of who is and is not a “real Jew.”

bratwurst Feb 16, 2017 • 5:50:14pm

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 5:50:22pm

re: #32 majii

“A friend, who tried listening on her car radio on her return home from errands, was aghast and couldn’t tolerate more than a few minutes. She said he was impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions. She is totally bewildered on how somehow as incoherent as Trump could be elected…”

In TrumpWorld, being impolite, constantly interrupting, and not addressing the questions is known as WINNING! BIGLY!

“Eeen Obama’s America, President answered questions from press. BUT, een TRUMP’S America, questions parsnip dogleg failing media, BIGLY!!!”

EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 5:50:34pm

re: #32 majii

I have good reasons for calling Trump voters the pig-people. They voted for Trump either because Trump is a ginormous asshole or because they didn’t care that Trump is a ginormous asshole.

plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 5:50:49pm

I just cannot listen to his ravings. Listened to one rally during the campaign and was sure the men in the white coats would take him away. NOPE. SCROTUS

Brutal.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 5:51:52pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Weighs almost 300 lbs. Doesn’t exercise. Eats McDonald’s and KFC proudly. Hates stairs.

Well, shit, man - if I weighed 300 lbs and didn’t exercise, I’d hate stairs, too!

majii Feb 16, 2017 • 5:52:28pm

re: #35 MsJ

“This guy is seriously nuts. The world is in grave danger.”

Just think what right-wingers would be saying if a Russian sub had been within striking distance of hitting the U.S. mainland if PBO were still in office. They are some of the biggest liars and hypocrites I’ve ever seen in my 60+ years of life. They were convinced to continue a 24/7, 365 day multi-year freakout about Benghazi but won’t express one bit of surprise about Russian subs being so close to the U.S.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:53:29pm

re: #39 bratwurst

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 5:53:48pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, shit, man - if I weighed 300 lbs and didn’t exercise, I’d hate stairs, too!

Rag on a Stick

Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 5:54:01pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, shit, man - if I weighed 300 lbs and didn’t exercise, I’d hate stairs, too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 5:54:29pm

Trump claims his approval rating is 55%. Minutes later, Pew Research Ctr shows its 39% https://t.co/LRa9Uy2g8P #wiunion #wipolitics

— Sarah S f.md (@RedRoadRail) February 17, 2017

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Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:54:48pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

@reuvs @WearingWelcome @grip__terry @NateSilver538 @willfleet Oh look, an antisemite.

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) February 17, 2017

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 5:55:04pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

She seems nice.

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Her timeline paints a picture of a “more frum than thou” Ultra-Orthodox zealot who likes likes to paint herself as the final arbiter of who is and is not a “real Jew.”

Whiplash Baby Mama

Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 5:55:33pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The polls are all fake, except for Rasmussen./

goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 5:55:48pm

One of my favorite things is to be lectured on the causes of increased antisemitism by someone who freely deploys antisemitic memes. pic.twitter.com/WE0IYIVq4U

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) February 17, 2017

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:56:00pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

I have good reasons for calling Trump voters the pig-people. They voted for Trump either because Trump is a ginormous asshole or because they didn’t care that Trump is a ginormous asshole.

Or because no one gave an alternative message in areas like this - you know, like running candidates or campaigning here. The only way to overcome the overwhelming conservative media here is to actually, you know, come here and talk to the voters.

But we’ve been over this ground already. I lost this argument here a long time ago.

Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 5:56:22pm

re: #4 A wild WITHAK appeared!

So, this is totally normal, right?

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Ana Navarro & Van Jones.

majii Feb 16, 2017 • 5:56:35pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

Your clip reminds me of the big dude in one of the “Blade” movies. Dude was just as repulsive as Trump.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 5:57:49pm

re: #44 majii

“This guy is seriously nuts. The world is in grave danger.”

Just think what right-wingers would be saying if a Russian sub had been within striking distance of hitting the U.S. mainland if PBO were still in office. They are some of the biggest liars and hypocrites I’ve ever seen in my 60+ years of life. They were convinced to continue a 24/7, 365 day multi-year freakout about Benghazi but won’t express one bit of surprise about Russian subs being so close to the U.S.

Seriously, it is shit like this that has gotten me to this point…

because I’ve heard too many times that we need to understand the plight of the Trump voters and listen to them. Well, I’ve listened to them. You know what I heard? A lot of proud ignorance, racism, misogyny, homophobia, Islamophobia, and bullshit conspiracy theories. What they want for America is NOT GOOD. What they like about Trump is all the stuff that is NOT GOOD.

At a certain point, if what you want is NOT GOOD, it pretty much means YOU are NOT GOOD, so I’m over giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 5:58:27pm

Prolly one of my favorite Fool Us fragments.

Penn & Teller: Fool Us // Kostya Kimlat Makes Penn Mad

bratwurst Feb 16, 2017 • 5:59:05pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

I am supposed to believe it was a leftist who opened fire at the Jewish community center where my young niece and nephew went to preschool a few years ago.

And of course, another leftist who called in a bomb threat there on at least one occasion since.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 5:59:44pm

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:00:11pm

re: #49 Nyet

Oh look, an antisemite

So you suppose his rise was caused by the Radical Left and the BDS movement?
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Seriously, though, someone should ask him.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:01:10pm

re: #59 Anymouse

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Patricia Kayden Feb 16, 2017 • 6:01:35pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

It’s all good fun watching lunatic rulers make fools of themselves, but at some point they always start killing people.

When they eventually get around to killing the ACA.

FormerDirtDart Feb 16, 2017 • 6:02:29pm

Involves claims by Rep. Dan Rohrabacher (R-CA)

Hilarious and pathetic. Must read> Police Offer Very Different Account Of Protest Incident GOPer Blamed On ‘Mob’ https://t.co/hzJ0v7CVGO

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 17, 2017

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:02:40pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:03:08pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

When they eventually get around to killing the ACA.

“It’s all good fun, till 20 million somebodies lose health insurance!”

teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 6:03:14pm

32 minute mark on the video.

The last line of this exchange is amazing. Real journalism. Bravo @PeterAlexander pic.twitter.com/gLvKLBTSKt

— jeffersonwaful (@jeffersonwaful) February 17, 2017

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 6:03:39pm

The language in this Trump survey-scam is as awkward as its politics. https://t.co/arLvTIOTwq pic.twitter.com/Ainjk8pYtc

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) February 17, 2017

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“Will you not agree with us that officially sanctioned executive branch propaganda is much more informative and accurate than the often distorted and slanted mainstream media?”

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:03:59pm

re: #64 Anymouse

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majii Feb 16, 2017 • 6:04:30pm

re: #58 bratwurst

“And of course, another leftist who called in a bomb threat there on at least one occasion since.”

A guy was arrested in Myrtle Beach, SC today because he allegedly had a plan to shoot up a local area synagogue. His Facebook page indicates that he’s a white supremacist and an anti-Semite, so I guess he, too, can be identified as a left-wing anti-Semite in spite of all evidence to the contrary. He admitted to an undercover FBI agent that he wanted to honor Dylann Roof. Imagine that. One of the charges against him is for being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. SMH.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:05:31pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

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Well, Steve King (R-IA4) is from there. Make of it what you will… .

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:05:43pm

re: #53 Anymouse

Or because no one gave an alternative message in areas like this - you know, like running candidates or campaigning here. The only way to overcome the overwhelming conservative media here is to actually, you know, come here and talk to the voters.

But we’ve been over this ground already. I lost this argument here a long time ago.

yes.
And please leave Kentucky out of your future arguments (Electoral College and otherwise) about this because Nebraska is not all of red state America. Every state is different.

Patricia Kayden Feb 16, 2017 • 6:06:15pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

No. Just no. I can’t. I can’t listen to that whiny, nasal voice making crazy noises.

I watched his insulting response to the Jewish journalist about the uptick of anti-Semitism and just couldn’t force myself to watch anymore. He’s so embarrassing.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:06:37pm

re: #69 majii

Cognitive dissonance:

Liberals hate/want to outlaw guns.
Liberal stacks up guns to plan a mass shooting.

goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 6:06:58pm

Off topic, I’m approaching the end of Season 2 of Narcos and it’s a really good series. I know it’s not an entirely faithful retelling of Pablo Escobar’s rise and fall, but it’s pretty compelling, immersive, well acted & directed.

MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 6:07:58pm

re: #63 FormerDirtDart

Involves claims by Rep. Dan Rohrabacher (R-CA)

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:08:20pm

re: #53 Anymouse

Or because no one gave an alternative message in areas like this - you know, like running candidates or campaigning here. The only way to overcome the overwhelming conservative media here is to actually, you know, come here and talk to the voters.

But we’ve been over this ground already. I lost this argument here a long time ago.

As you say, this topic is a re-run, although I disagree with your characterization of it. It’s certainly true that the Democrats need to contest elections everywhere in a sustained and consistent way. What you have described of Democratic Party behavior in your locale is political malpractice.

It also remains true that Trump could be seen for what he is before the election even within the RWNJ reality distortion zone — e.g., RedState NeverTrumpers. They thought he would lose and damage the brand, and most have since dropped their objections out of expediency, but they still saw the Orange Menace for what he is (sometimes including both his racism and fascism). If some RedStaters could see that, so could anyone else in the nation, no matter how benighted their news sources are.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:09:06pm

re: #70 Anymouse

Well, Steve King (R-IA4) is from there. Make of it what you will… .

That was based on driving across the country on I-80, 28 years ago. Twice, in Iowa, I smelled the worst smell I’d ever smelled. Later determined that smell is a pig farm. Smelled it again passing King City, CA.

Hell smells like that.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:09:36pm

re: #67 jaunte

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“Will you not agree with us that officially sanctioned executive branch propaganda is much more informative and accurate than the often distorted and slanted mainstream media?”

I was befuddled by that question for a very long time.
I finally decided the proper answer was “no”, but I opted for “other” and told them they were full of 1984 Newspeak and that cutting taxes would not create jobs.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:10:33pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes.
And please leave Kentucky out of your future arguments (Electoral College and otherwise) about this because Nebraska is not all of red state America. Every state is different.

Fair enough. The argument isn’t making any headway here, so I presume there must be some flaw in my argument. I will refrain from advancing it again.

Perhaps a guinea pig will settle this (I am a pig person):

Ok ok ONE #pigture mummy. How’s this pose? #guineapig #Sassy #HeadTilt pic.twitter.com/WoKpcuY7oU

— Duncan MacDuff (@DuncanMacDuff3) February 8, 2017

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plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 6:10:34pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

At this point, no. I don’t give a fuck about the plight of combover voters. Their enabling of combover may very well get us all killed.

CuriousLurker Feb 16, 2017 • 6:11:32pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

I guess this is what you describe as meta?

My private message to CL was at the end of last thread. I look up and new thread has 35 comments.

Ima trying again.

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bratwurst Feb 16, 2017 • 6:11:35pm

Yes, I think she is a fool for suggesting Jeb! is a self-made man, unlike Trump who got help from his daddy…but I still love this lady anyway.

Really, Little Jared complaining about me cuz I get under President Daddy-in-Law’s skin? Oh, baby boy, I’m so sorry. https://t.co/4W8Sh9sHxy

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:11:35pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

That was based on driving across the country on I-80, 28 years ago. Twice, in Iowa, I smelled the worst smell I’d ever smelled. Later determined that smell is a pig farm. Smelled it again passing King City, CA.

Hell smells like that.

Indiana is also stinky that way.

Barefoot Grin Feb 16, 2017 • 6:12:11pm

Reporter: “Sir, if President Obama’s approval rating was 35% and he claimed 55%, what would you tweet?”

Trump: “Lying nig…. Er, He lies like this like he lies about his birthplace….”

Reporter: “But Mr. President, Former President Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Trump: “I apol…I said we corrected the story at my fabulous hotel…. And, as you said, Obama ended with 35%; next question….”

majii Feb 16, 2017 • 6:12:12pm

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

“I watched his insulting response to the Jewish journalist about the uptick of anti-Semitism and just couldn’t force myself to watch anymore. He’s so embarrassing.”

Of course he’s embarrassing to you and I, but his supporters are not embarrassed by his clown performance in today’s presser. They’re patting him and themselves on the back because Trump “told his enemies off in public.” With foreign intelligence agencies investigating an American president because their leaders know how dangerous Trump is, the Trump Cheerleaders don’t give a d*mn and appear to believe he’s elevating America’s status in the world to never before seen levels. In their minds, PBO drove down U.S. approval in other nations——the exact opposite of what really happened.

ObserverArt Feb 16, 2017 • 6:12:24pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

One of my senators. Heh.

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Washing machine reminded me of this. Saw this recently…washing machine rhythm section!

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Kragar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:12:26pm

White House staff’s secrecy app is …not so secure, but does tell you which staffers downloaded it https://t.co/Q66lBPe0DB

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) February 17, 2017

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But her emails… https://t.co/DPMeqp1RQs

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 17, 2017

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:14:17pm

Pig people:

I drew a little #guineapig for #TheResistance ❤️ pic.twitter.com/09tYVqH5V4

— Davs (@Davenportant) February 16, 2017

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 6:14:28pm

True story.

I broke down & bought an am/pm weekly organizer to remind me to take my medications. My last illusion of not being an oldfucker just bounced

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) February 17, 2017

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 6:14:52pm

re: #86 ObserverArt

That is some redneck shit. I love it!

Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 6:15:30pm

The Next Best Magician Show is also cool. This performance is pure art:

Xavier Mortimer’s Incredible Performance Wins Him A Place In The Finals | The Next Great Magician

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:15:35pm

re: #87 Kragar

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Flagrant violation of the laws regarding retention of official records, anyone?

CuriousLurker Feb 16, 2017 • 6:15:50pm

re: #79 Anymouse

Fair enough. The argument isn’t making any headway here, so I presume there must be some flaw in my argument. I will refrain from advancing it again.

Perhaps a guinea pig will settle this (I am a pig person):

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SQUEE! Growing up, I had guinea pigs as pets.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:16:38pm

re: #88 Anymouse

Pig people:

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I had GPs long, long ago. Sweet little guys! They cuddle, the love to be petted, and they purr.

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:16:52pm

Spring arrives here in the Backwoods earlier than usual tomorrow.
Was in the low 20s last night, 33F here tonight but highs in the mid to upper 60s for the foreseeable future (including almost 70F Monday and Tuesday!)

oooh…gotta go over to the woods and check the shiitake mushroom log stacks in a few days.

ObserverArt Feb 16, 2017 • 6:17:52pm

re: #45 Anymouse

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The cow has tennis shoes on and is warming up. The cow might not make it, but feels an attempt is in order to help try to save the country from continued extensive damage. The moon will be in hiding, feeling bad for earth.

Swift2991 Feb 16, 2017 • 6:18:00pm

There was a guy on Facebook. Flag ID photo, ALL CAPS, the usual. In the process of ranting and raving, insulting everybody left and right and completely screwing up the facts — his sources were mostly talk radio and FOX—he divulged that, due to no fault of his own, he was on Disability and Food Stamps. I brought his attention to the fact that his hero was planning to cut those two programs, bigly. He continued on his rants. I had said a unfact to him. I was invisible. His guy is great, he even gets to grab pussy!

Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:18:40pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

True story.

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awwwwwww…I’m still young enough that I only need my seven-day pill holder contraption.

My older day will come soon enough.

Dammit…I have to apply for Medicare next month. Shit.

Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:18:55pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

SQUEE! Growing up, I had guinea pigs as pets.

I had guinea pigs as pets until I moved here. (I wanted a guinea pig as a child, my grandmother said no.)

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 6:20:30pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

awwwwwww…I’m still young enough that I only need my seven-day pill holder contraption.

My older day will come soon enough.

Dammit…I have to apply for Medicare next month. Shit.

Goddamned I’m 43, this shit ain’t right.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:20:36pm

Imagine if Fox News had been around during the Civil War.

They would not have contented themselves with Confederate propaganda as it actually occurred such as: the slaves were too valuable to be routinely mistreated, or that they were mostly content with their lot, etc.

They would have gone all the way up Bullshit Mountain with some or all of these grade-A whoppers:

1) There was no slavery in the Confederacy.

2) Manacles and leg irons worn by some people in the Confederacy (who were not all black!) were voluntary fashion statements.

3) The Union forces fired the first shots at Ft. Sumter.

4) Evidence of slaves being brutalized was a false flag by abolitionists.

It really is disconcerting to realize how deeply dishonest Fox News is, and what its standard of lying looks like when applied to other historical periods.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:20:50pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

awwwwwww…I’m still young enough that I only need my seven-day pill holder contraption.

My older day will come soon enough.

Dammit…I have to apply for Medicare next month. Shit.

Since I only have to take my medications once a day, I only need to remember days. /s

We’ll have to see when I get older (my mother takes no medications though, so I have her beat.)

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Charles Johnson Feb 16, 2017 • 6:20:54pm

I have a bad feeling about how this Trump nightmare is going to end. It can’t go on like this much longer.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 17, 2017

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freetoken Feb 16, 2017 • 6:22:31pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Never underestimate the capacity for pomposity.

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Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 6:22:33pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

awwwwwww…I’m still young enough that I only need my seven-day pill holder contraption.

My older day will come soon enough.

Dammit…I have to apply for Medicare next month. Shit.

I couldn’t wait. Cut my “free market” insurance bill from $1200/month to a little over $200. Best thing about turning 65.

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CuriousLurker Feb 16, 2017 • 6:22:46pm

Okay, my arms are starting to hurt from all the shots, so Imma go make a cup of coffee, take some ibuprofen, and try to forget Von ClownStick exists. Maybe I’ll go watch an episode or two of Graceland on Netflix.

Someone please make sure Stanley sees my #81 response to her, okay? TIA.

Over & out. Gnite, my beloved scaly ones.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:23:30pm

re: #97 Swift2991

There was a guy on Facebook. Flag ID photo, ALL CAPS, the usual. In the process of ranting and raving, insulting everybody left and right and completely screwing up the facts — his sources were mostly talk radio and FOX—he divulged that, due to no fault of his own, he was on Disability and Food Stamps. I brought his attention to the fact that his hero was planning to cut those two programs, bigly. He continued on his rants. I had said a unfact to him. I was invisible. His guy is great, he even gets to grab pussy!

A pig-person wallowing in his native habitat (a self-constructed sewer of resentment and bigotry).

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:23:54pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spring arrives here in the Backwoods earlier than usual tomorrow.
Was in the low 20s last night, 33F here tonight but highs in the mid to upper 60s for the foreseeable future (including almost 70F Monday and Tuesday!)

oooh…gotta go over to the woods and check the shiitake mushroom log stacks in a few days.

It will be in the sixties and seventies here all week. No global warming though, February is the new May.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:24:58pm

re: #99 Anymouse

I had guinea pigs as pets until I moved here. (I wanted a guinea pig as a child, my grandmother said no.)

I had a guinea pig (Brutus) when I was a freshman at University of Cincinnati back in 1970-71. When he died, we had a burial for him in the brick enclosure at the front of our building, complete with firecrackers and sparklers. Then we sealed the top. He’s still there after all these years.

Fun Factoid: When I was a freshmen, rules at UC said women had to live at their parents’ home, on campus in a dorm or at a sorority house if they were under 21 years old.
I lived in an off-campus apartment and never told the powers that be.
Young women today who say they don’t need legal protections have no freaking clue how things were back in the day.

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majii Feb 16, 2017 • 6:25:13pm

re: #97 Swift2991

“…he divulged that, due to no fault of his own, he was on Disability and Food Stamps. I brought his attention to the fact that his hero was planning to cut those two programs, bigly. He continued on his rants. I had said a unfact to him. I was invisible. His guy is great, he even gets to grab pussy!”

What you tried to tell him won’t become real until he receives reduced D& FS payments check/card out of the mailbox. If I were a betting person, I’d bet good money that if this would happen, he’d blame PBO so that he could maintain the integrity of the RW bubble he inhabits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:25:28pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Goddamned I’m 43, this shit ain’t right.

No, it is not.

{{{hugs}}}

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stpaulbear Feb 16, 2017 • 6:25:34pm

Gah. I just finished writing out 13 postcards to house and senate members asking that Trumps ties to Russia be investigated and adding that the presser today was an embarrassing debacle. I’m going to make the message shorter in the future so it doesn’t take all evening to get them written. I’m going to catch up on this thread and then run to the post office so that they’re at their destination next Tuesday after the holiday,

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:25:55pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

A pig-person wallowing in his native habitat (a self-constructed sewer of resentment and bigotry).

I assume it isn’t this pig person:

Anyone know what this is here for? #Dublin #guineapig #Confused pic.twitter.com/SJabTcZ8ck

— Darragh Mowlds (@DarraghMowlds) February 16, 2017

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Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 6:26:06pm

I’m 52 comments behind.

Little boy Kushner, tough guy who’s supposed to achieve Middle East peace, is complaining about me to CNN. Boo-hoo! https://t.co/4W8Sh9sHxy

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) February 17, 2017

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Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 6:26:50pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

I wasn’t joking above. A lot of us are going to get killed, and I’m not referring to the loss of the ACA. I’m not aware of a single instance where a psychopath took over a country and that didn’t happen.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:27:45pm

re: #115 Skip Intro

I wasn’t joking above. A lot of us are going to get killed, and I’m not referring to the loss of the ACA. I’m not aware of a single instance where a psychopath took over a country and that didn’t happen.

Fortunately, I am surrounded by ICBM silos. /s

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Kragar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:29:11pm

“This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine.” #TrumpPressConference pic.twitter.com/XlOd9MS7aQ

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:30:00pm

re: #105 Skip Intro

I couldn’t wait. Cut my “free market” insurance bill from $1200/month to a little over $200. Best thing about turning 65.

Right now I’m covered under MrBWS’s IBEW union insurance, which is part of the union contract so there’s no real premium payment we see except for the weekly international union assessment (which includes the insurance). So Lineco will become my secondary insurance, except for the prescription part that will stay with Lineco.
I have enough problems already matching up insurance statements with medical bills, because sometimes they don’t quite match up and I have to get on the phone to sort things out.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:30:06pm

re: #113 Anymouse

I assume it isn’t this pig person:

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The back feet should have THREE toes each!

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 16, 2017 • 6:31:27pm

re: #116 Anymouse

Fortunately, I am surrounded by ICBM silos. /s

So, your experience of the war will likely be exciting, but brief?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:31:54pm

re: #105 Skip Intro

I couldn’t wait. Cut my “free market” insurance bill from $1200/month to a little over $200. Best thing about turning 65.

oh, and now I’ll have to pay a monthly Medicare premium for PartB, unless I go ahead and file for SS a year early. I might as well since I don’t really have any income much to speak of anymore.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:32:45pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

So, your experience of the war will likely be exciting, but brief?

If we do the first strike, my wife and I plan to set up lawn chairs out in the yard and make popcorn.

If we’re targeted first, well, I guess we won’t know.

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Teukka Feb 16, 2017 • 6:33:23pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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@Green_Footballs Agreed. If it goes on too much longer than this… https://t.co/kbSSfdHyC1

— Teo (@Teukka72) February 17, 2017

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Nyet Feb 16, 2017 • 6:33:33pm

@reuvs @WearingWelcome @grip__terry @willfleet And this is relevant how? Unless you are dumb enough to deny ex. of Jewish antisemites.

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) February 17, 2017

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@wearingwelcome @grip__terry @natesilver538 @willfleet it’s sad but true that the NYT is run by liberal Jews, as is much of the MSM.

— Reuvs (@reuvs) September 16, 2016

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@reuvs @HunterFelt @Ugarles @Green_Footballs @BreitbartNews Here it is. https://t.co/STD6N6jpx8

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) February 17, 2017

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Feb 16, 2017 • 6:34:39pm

re: #123 Teukka

I’m watching Babylon 5 right now.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:34:49pm

‘Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule’ https://t.co/yMfT5r5RGh

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 16, 2017

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He’s gone full Dictator Third Person https://t.co/xb3D90gCt1

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:35:08pm

re: #122 Anymouse

If we do the first strike, my wife and I plan to set up lawn chairs out in the yard and make popcorn.

If we’re targeted first, well, I guess we won’t know.

Listen for the quiet whistle…

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Charles Johnson Feb 16, 2017 • 6:35:33pm

Robert Hayward: “Thanks for offering, Mr. President Trump sir, but I have to wash my cat. Best of luck to you.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 17, 2017

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freetoken Feb 16, 2017 • 6:35:43pm

re: #125 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Lots of shadows running around Trump Tower.

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Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 6:36:40pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t believe Part B is mandatory.

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 6:37:16pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

It’s 1791 France and/or 1990 Romania all over again. Despite their bravado, they won’t be able to maintain social order. And Chaffetz is playing the role of Marie Antoinette.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:37:51pm

.@jaketapper @AprilDRyan @KFILE @andersoncooper @PeterAlexander @maggieNYT @anamariecox @GlennThrush @KatyTurNBC @kasie @HallieJackson pic.twitter.com/3Mbjda3ZSM

— Laurie Ⓥ (@L821L) February 17, 2017

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Other day, in convo w/ stranger at coffee shop: Told her what I did, she put her hand on my arm, looked me in the eye and said, “Thank you.” https://t.co/FDewhCe898

— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:38:26pm

re: #130 Skip Intro

I don’t believe Part B is mandatory.

It’s not but Lineco requires I take it.

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Skip Intro Feb 16, 2017 • 6:38:37pm

re: #115 Skip Intro

I’m obviously not making myself clear and I think I’ll just leave it that way.

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plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 6:38:53pm

re: #116 Anymouse

As are we. Major target. We will be some of the first to go. And yeah, we will sit on our lawn chairs and drink shots as the world ends.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:38:58pm

Donald Trump was right: the Electoral College is a sham and a travesty. Here’s how to make it fairer: https://t.co/ZfDwUJJ06q

— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) February 9, 2017

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Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 6:40:10pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

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Teukka Feb 16, 2017 • 6:40:56pm

re: #125 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I’m watching Babylon 5 right now.

Maybe I should too — have this DVD box with all the seasons, the spin off movies and series :3

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:41:32pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

I’m obviously not making myself clear and I think I’ll just leave it that way.

No, you were pretty clear and I agree.

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Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 6:41:35pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Off topic, I’m approaching the end of Season 2 of Narcos and it’s a really good series. I know it’s not an entirely faithful retelling of Pablo Escobar’s rise and fall, but it’s pretty compelling, immersive, well acted & directed.

Last week I binge watched The People v. O.J. Simpson and it was riveting, with great performances.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:42:10pm

What that map above shows is the number of campaign visits by candidates during the 2016 campaigns, not electoral votes.

richarddawkins.net

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:43:11pm

re: #131 Myron Falwell

It’s 1791 France and/or 1990 Romania all over again. Despite their bravado, they won’t be able to maintain social order. And Chaffetz is playing the role of Marie Antoinette.

Part of the problem is that Republicans just spent 8 years pissing and moaning about Obama being an illegitimate usurper in the White House and the nation survived.

So they see the anti-Trump reaction as being the same kind of agitation they just got done with.

The crucial difference is that the Republican ‘case’ for the illegitimacy of Obama was a tissue of lies, while POTUS* Trump is illegitimate for at least half a dozen independent and real reasons.

I suspect that not even one Republican in a thousand can clearly see this difference.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:43:28pm

re: #141 Anymouse

What that map above shows is the number of campaign visits by candidates during the 2016 campaigns, not electoral votes.

richarddawkins.net

So Kentucky has none?
That’s bullshit.

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 6:43:55pm

re: #35 MsJ

That’s the most fucking insanest thing. Here’s on and on and on about Hillary. To what end I have no idea.

This guy is seriously nuts. The world is in grave danger.

That’s a spoof survey, not the actual real one (which is also bugfuck insane)

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 6:44:54pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 6:45:43pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Kentucky has none?
That’s bullshit.

And they have to spend even MORE time in Ohio? Fuck that.

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freetoken Feb 16, 2017 • 6:45:58pm

re: #141 Anymouse

And the ones with the most visits were the theoretical “swing” states, and indeed, Trump swung most of them.

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Kragar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:46:05pm

“Stop calling us Nazis. 14/88.” pic.twitter.com/pHpwWfAee8

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:46:39pm

I accidentally googled “corgo ship” instead of “cargo ship” and I was not disappointed! pic.twitter.com/s9vy4Sen0c

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plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:05pm

re: #145 thedopefishlives

How are you doing, TDFL? How goes the Face Book stand?

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Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:16pm

re: #104 freetoken

Never underestimate the capacity for pomposity.

It’s a fucking reality TV show! He’s playing it exactly the same.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:41pm

An interesting comment on that Richard Dawkins Foundation article:

The Electoral model was designed when communication was not instantaneous between millions of voters and there was no way someone from Nebraska could know a nominee for President. Now, there is no such a thing as underrepresented areas because of lack of communication: even in the remotest areas of the US has a smartphone and access to the internet! So now the system is unfair to Urban dwellers and their votes count far less, e.g. 1 to 3 in case of Wyoming versus California. So although there is always a risk a populist fooling all USA and it is not zero, the chance of fooling margin states protected by Electoral college is far more than fooling all US population! And if such a thing happens and a Trump like populist manages to win all US, be it. Human society have been learning from their mistakes and evolving as a whole, as Germany did! There is no way we can prevent every mistake, without making any mistake!

That is a person who apparently never travelled outside a city.

The remotest areas of the US do not have access to smartphones and Internet. Vast portions of the USA are covered by neither.

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Hecuba's daughter Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:51pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

I have good reasons for calling Trump voters the pig-people. They voted for Trump either because Trump is a ginormous asshole or because they didn’t care that Trump is a ginormous asshole.

There are people who voted for him because he was a “billionaire” who had “successful” businesses throughout the world and knew how to get people working, as well as the candidate opposed to TPP. They believed the “alternative” facts from Breitbart, etc, and cannot be dissuaded otherwise. They think that Trump was playing Putin and is brilliant. So pig-people may be an unfair characterization of most of them — stupid may be a more appropriate appellation.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:55pm

re: #150 plansbandc

How are you doing, TDFL? How goes the Face Book stand?

So after I made that epic long post, my father sent me an email. It was a document copy-and-pasted from a Franklin Graham article. I am so going to get disowned over this. Nevertheless, I swung back with a little bit of Biblical rhetoric, and now I have the feeling I’m about to find out what kind of mettle my family is made of.

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darthstar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:47:55pm

Okay…we’re listening to this shit show - from the get go.

Three minutes in, and he’s the most insecure motherfucker on the planet.

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plansbandc Feb 16, 2017 • 6:49:34pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Well done. Stay strong! You rock.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:50:20pm

When MrBWS skyped me this evening when he got off work, first thing was I sang Happy Birthday to him.
He laughed and said he forgot it was his birthday.
Then he leaned in and asked how was I doing?
I looked perplexed.
He said they were listening to the yam’s presser on the radio and he just knew I was going ballistic.

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Sherlock Hound Feb 16, 2017 • 6:50:27pm

re: #122 Anymouse

If we do the first strike, my wife and I plan to set up lawn chairs out in the yard and make popcorn.

If we’re targeted first, well, I guess we won’t know.

“OOOOHHH!!!!!!”
“AAAAHHHHH!!!!”
“WHEEEE——————-!”
{Connection lost}

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:51:38pm

re: #158 Sherlock Hound

“OOOOHHH!!!!!!”
“AAAAHHHHH!!!!”
“WHEEEE——————-!”
{Connection lost}

:)

LOL. Next time I lose my Internet/telephone service, you are now going to have me wondering if something was hit and I should start making popcorn.

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Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 6:52:03pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Kentucky has none?
That’s bullshit.

Is it? I assume that is general election visits. I know Trump, Clinton and Sanders at least came during primary season, but I don’t recall either Trump or Clinton returning during the general, though I may simply have forgotten.

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freetoken Feb 16, 2017 • 6:52:20pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

FG Jr. is a favorite of the theo-fascistic crowd. It’s hard to counter their cult. They’re worse than the Osteen crowd, who are mostly in it for monetary gain (reminiscent of the Amway gimmick from the DeVos gang.)

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 6:52:43pm

re: #159 Anymouse

LOL. Next time I lose my Internet/telephone service, you are now going to have me wondering if something was hit and I should start making popcorn.

It’s like the old trope that spawned the Y2K paranoia, where if the computer systems that control the nukes don’t stay in touch every so often, they assume nuclear war has broken out.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:52:58pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

There are people who voted for him because he was a “billionaire” who had “successful” businesses throughout the world and knew how to get people working, as well as the candidate opposed to TPP. They believed the “alternative” facts from Breitbart, etc, and cannot be dissuaded otherwise. They think that Trump was playing Putin and is brilliant. So pig-people may be an unfair characterization of most of them — stupid may be a more appropriate appellation.

I would go with “misinformed” or “uninformed.” Propaganda is a powerful drug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 6:53:27pm

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 6:53:57pm

re: #161 freetoken

FG Jr. is a favorite of the theo-fascistic crowd. It’s hard to counter their cult. They’re worse than the Osteen crowd, who are mostly in it for monetary gain (reminiscent of the Amway gimmick from the DeVos gang.)

My mom and dad are basically in the “Republican because God guns abortion” camp. I am never going to persuade them. The most I can hope for is to get them not to hate me, that I’ve thought rationally about my position and I’m not just being rebellious or stupid.

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freetoken Feb 16, 2017 • 6:53:58pm

re: #163 Anymouse

Willful, self-indulgent misinformed.

Choosing to remain ignorant is a moral decision.

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Eventual Carrion Feb 16, 2017 • 6:54:32pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spring arrives here in the Backwoods earlier than usual tomorrow.
Was in the low 20s last night, 33F here tonight but highs in the mid to upper 60s for the foreseeable future (including almost 70F Monday and Tuesday!)

oooh…gotta go over to the woods and check the shiitake mushroom log stacks in a few days.

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darthstar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:54:39pm

Jesus…this fucker is dense. I’m afraid of what he’ll say when he finds out we have depleted uranium…”Depleted? We need to make bullets with enriched uranium! None of that depleted shit!”

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:56:55pm

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Is it? I assume that is general election visits. I know Trump, Clinton and Sanders at least came during primary season, but I don’t recall either Trump or Clinton returning during the general, though I may simply have forgotten.

Yes, that map represents General Election visits, not primary visits. Considering the huge number of Republican candidates in the Republican Primary, the number of visits shown on the map could not possibly include that.

Republicans were scrambling for every primary vote during their primary season. To the extent their campaign war chests allowed, they travelled to every state to scrape up votes. Democrats did the same.

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Hecuba's daughter Feb 16, 2017 • 6:57:17pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

True story.

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Unfortunately I cannot do that now because most of my medications are liquid; I am stuck with trying to recall whether I put the drops in my eye. :-(

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stpaulbear Feb 16, 2017 • 6:57:45pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

My cat Halley sleeps on a floor register like that. It’s the closest register to the thermostat, so when she sleeps on it, the rest of the house is a couple degrees warmer.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 6:59:40pm

re: #166 freetoken

Willful, self-indulgent misinformed.

Choosing to remain ignorant is a moral decision.

I cannot argue with that. The only argument I have (lack of Internet service, lack of equitable reporting in the local press, lack of campaigning) has already been shot down here. So it must be “moral decision.”

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 6:59:50pm

re: #166 freetoken

Willful, self-indulgent misinformed.

Choosing to remain ignorant is a moral decision.

Bingo. As I said upthread, if Trump’s manifest unfitness for office could get through to some RedStaters, it could be seen by anyone.

If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant, I think it justified to assume the ignorance is a mask for bigotry or malice.

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 7:00:08pm

This is a big deal. Trump WH has stopped answering emails of @nytimes WH correspondents. As though it’s a private firm, not a public office. pic.twitter.com/K9bXADbtIW

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:01:04pm

re: #174 jaunte

I’m actually curious about that. Is he within his rights to refuse to contact certain members of the press? Or is he breaking some law by doing this?

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stpaulbear Feb 16, 2017 • 7:01:36pm

Facebook

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 7:01:52pm

re: #163 Anymouse

I would go with “misinformed” or “uninformed.” Propaganda is a powerful drug.

I got fired from my previous job by a Branch Trumpidian who demanded that I support his false god. “Pig-people” is a perfect description for him and the lot of them.

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nittanyblues Feb 16, 2017 • 7:02:08pm

re: #101 EPR-radar

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:02:31pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

Bingo. As I said upthread, if Trump’s manifest unfitness for office could get through to some RedStaters, it could be seen by anyone.

If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant, I think it justified to assume the ignorance is a mask for bigotry or malice.

Someone wanna start a Go Fund Me account so I can get a subscription for every person in my House district to get a copy of the New York Times or Teen Vogue (because no Internet)?

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:02:49pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

I’m actually curious about that. Is he within his rights to refuse to contact certain members of the press? Or is he breaking some law by doing this?

I imagine POTUS* Trump is breaking custom, but no law in this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:02:59pm

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Is it? I assume that is general election visits. I know Trump, Clinton and Sanders at least came during primary season, but I don’t recall either Trump or Clinton returning during the general, though I may simply have forgotten.

I could be forgetting things, too.
Chelsea was here during the general.
Hillary did a big general campaign event in Cincinnati at the river bridge park that drew a lot of Kentucky folks.

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 7:03:44pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

I’m actually curious about that. Is he within his rights to refuse to contact certain members of the press? Or is he breaking some law by doing this?

I don’t think there’s a law against it, but stonewalling the fourth estate (who are supposed to be able to ask questions in the public interest) is colossally dumb for a “public servant.”

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:04:27pm

re: #178 nittanyblues

Nice, although IIRC points 2-4 were actually Confederate propaganda of the time, so they don’t really have that special Fox News Bullshit Mountain touch.

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Scout Feb 16, 2017 • 7:04:31pm

re: #177 Myron Falwell

I got fired from my previous job by a Branch Trumpidian who demanded that I support his false god. “Pig-people” is a perfect description for him and the lot of them.

Are you serious? I can’t even imagine that …

Sorry, I don’t mean for you to dwell on such a horrific episode, but that just amazes me.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:04:33pm

re: #182 jaunte

I don’t think there’s a law against it, but stonewalling the fourth estate (who are supposed to be able to ask questions in the public interest) is colossally dumb for a “public servant.”

Definitely not disagreeing with that assessment.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:05:26pm

re: #177 Myron Falwell

I got fired from my previous job by a Branch Trumpidian who demanded that I support his false god. “Pig-people” is a perfect description for him and the lot of them.

{{{Myron}}}

That’s ridiculous. In some places, that could be cause for wrongful termination.

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 7:05:26pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

It seems Trump is not as skillful a negotiator as he claims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:07:01pm

re: #168 darthstar

Jesus…this fucker is dense. I’m afraid of what he’ll say when he finds out we have depleted uranium…”Depleted? We need to make bullets with enriched uranium! None of that depleted shit!”

oh…it gets even weirder

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:07:41pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…it gets even weirder

He’s digging a hole straight to ~~China~~ Russia.

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 7:08:18pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

{{{Myron}}}

That’s ridiculous. In some places, that could be cause for wrongful termination.

States that have “at will” employment means you can be separated for any damn reason or for no damn reason at all.

States that have “at will” employment also have “right to work” laws.

That makes no sense, but Republicans.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:08:48pm

re: #179 Anymouse

Someone wanna start a Go Fund Me account so I can get a subscription for every person in my House district to get a copy of the New York Times or Teen Vogue (because no Internet)?

My point is that Trump’s unfitness for office was apparent even from the relatively sanitized version of him that was presented in RWNJ news. You don’t actually think that the RedStaters I referred to upthread based their opinion of Trump on the coverage he got in the NYT or in Teen Vogue, do you? Of course not.

Even after dismissing everything they see in the ‘liberal media’ as lies, the RedState never-Trumpers could still see Trump for what he is.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:10:09pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

{{{Myron}}}

That’s ridiculous. In some places, that could be cause for wrongful termination.

That’s hard to believe. At will employment is the norm, and political affiliation is not a protected class in labor law.

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stpaulbear Feb 16, 2017 • 7:10:11pm

re: #179 Anymouse

Someone wanna start a Go Fund Me account so I can get a subscription for every person in my House district to get a copy of the New York Times or Teen Vogue (because no Internet)?

Can your wife get subscriptions to the NYT and WaPo for the library?

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Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 7:10:34pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

I’m actually curious about that. Is he within his rights to refuse to contact certain members of the press? Or is he breaking some law by doing this?

I’m pretty sure there is no law requiring the President to talk to any particular reporters.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:10:46pm

re: #177 Myron Falwell

I got fired from my previous job by a Branch Trumpidian who demanded that I support his false god. “Pig-people” is a perfect description for him and the lot of them.

Is that legal?

As for “pig people” I suppose there is no difference between those who were mislead and those who have access to other information? Like those with cable service, or Internet service (I pay 5% of my income for access to the Internet)?

I don’t really think calling the people of my town “pig people” will do much to advance a liberal message.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:11:10pm

re: #192 EPR-radar

That’s hard to believe. At will employment is the norm, and political affiliation is not a protected class in labor law.

Ah, I forgot about at-will employment. Ugh. And while political affiliation is not a protected class, I didn’t think one could be fired merely on account of political views (essentially freedom of speech).

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:11:13pm

Say hello to Smiley. He’s a blind therapy doggo having a h*ckin blast high steppin around in the snow. 14/10 would follow anywhere

Say hello to Smiley. He’s a blind therapy doggo having a h*ckin blast high steppin around in the snow. 14/10 would follow anywhere pic.twitter.com/SHAb1wHjMz

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 7:12:23pm

#TheResistance #TrumpPressConference #RussiaGate #TrumpRussia #Flynn #FlynnResignation #ImpeachTrump #TrumpPutin #PEEOTUS pic.twitter.com/sHGumsezqf

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:13:05pm

re: #195 Anymouse

Is that legal?

As for “pig people” I suppose there is no difference between those who were mislead and those who have access to other information? Like those with cable service, or Internet service (I pay 5% of my income for access to the Internet)?

I don’t really think calling the people of my town “pig people” will do much to advance a liberal message.

Fer chrissakes, I’m enthusiastically using the term pig-people to describe Trump voters here in online venting, not as some form of political strategy.

Yes, Democrats should run everywhere, and no, Democratic candidates and campaigns should not refer to voters as pig-people.

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Big Beautiful Door Feb 16, 2017 • 7:13:33pm

re: #192 EPR-radar

That’s hard to believe. At will employment is the norm, and political affiliation is not a protected class in labor law.

Though its illegal for employers to force their employees to make campaign contributions.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:13:36pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Ah, I forgot about at-will employment. Ugh. And while political affiliation is not a protected class, I didn’t think one could be fired merely on account of political views (essentially freedom of speech).

No 1st amendment rights vs. a private entity like an employer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:14:56pm

I met a super rare land anemone today. pic.twitter.com/gTbuUcvjZH

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@JadeInColumbia I petted him, then I picked him up and kissed his face.

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The Vicious Babushka Feb 16, 2017 • 7:15:25pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Ah, I forgot about at-will employment. Ugh. And while political affiliation is not a protected class, I didn’t think one could be fired merely on account of political views (essentially freedom of speech).

LOL remember that urban legend going around in wingnutville after the 2008 election, about a boss who fired everyone who had an “Obama” sticker on their car.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:15:32pm

re: #191 EPR-radar

My point is that Trump’s unfitness for office was apparent even from the relatively sanitized version of him that was presented in RWNJ news. You don’t actually think that the RedStaters I referred to upthread based their opinion of Trump on the coverage he got in the NYT or in Teen Vogue, do you? Of course not.

Even after dismissing everything they see in the ‘liberal media’ as lies, the RedState never-Trumpers could still see Trump for what he is.

No, it wasn’t apparent.

No one has access to RedState here (that requires Internet access). No one could see Trump for what he was when a sanitised version of him is presented.

How about a Go Fund Me for Internet service, cable service, and cell phone service then?

Look at a map sometime of the areas of the country that have cell phone coverage or cable service coverage and get back with me. I’ll wait.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:16:08pm

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

LOL remember that urban legend going around in wingnutville after the 2008 election, about a boss who fired everyone who had an “Obama” sticker on their car.

But it’s okay when their guy does it, because we need to respect the office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:17:30pm

#SweetEllie: “Let me the hell out of here …”

❤️😺😻🎈😽❤️😸❤️😺🎈#SweetEllie: “Let me the hell out of here …”

🐾🐾🐾🐾 pic.twitter.com/WX9pAqGTyH

— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) February 16, 2017

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(sorry all…I’m trying to reverse today’s ick factor with cuteness overload…)

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 7:17:57pm

re: #184 Scout

re: #186 thedopefishlives

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

re: #192 EPR-radar

It was the non-union front office of a family-run company (that contracts with Local for actual manpower). The two families that run it were and are obnoxious Republicans. So that’s three strikes against them.

I didn’t even get into a fight with him. The only thing that I did was ask for him to lay off his adulation of Trump in front of my face, and he refused. He then fired me behind my back.

In any event, I had repudiated the right rather quietly, but this assured me that I made the right choice in doing so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:18:52pm

re: #204 Anymouse

Curious to know how you have internet access when you keep saying there is no internet access in your area?

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:20:03pm

re: #207 Myron Falwell

Something that my fishfolk will never quite understand. They only see the left-right debate in religious terms, but to my mind, there are some things that transcend political reality. Kindness to foreigners, the poor, the fatherless and the widows is among them. So sue me if I take the Bible literally and believe we should extend shelter and safe harbor to those in need. I reminded my Facebook friends once: Jesus asked forgiveness for the men who killed Him.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:20:09pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Fer chrissakes, I’m enthusiastically using the term pig-people to describe Trump voters here in online venting, not as some form of political strategy.

Yes, Democrats should run everywhere, and no, Democratic candidates and campaigns should not refer to voters as pig-people.

I just note that LGF is accessible by anyone. All it would take is one right-wing writer to note your comments, the Liberals think we’re pig people!

I’ll stick with “uninformed” or “misinformed.” I don’t see how calling Trump voters pig-people is much different than Nazis calling their opponents cockroaches, though Your Mileage May Vary.

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ObserverArt Feb 16, 2017 • 7:20:17pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

I’m obviously not making myself clear and I think I’ll just leave it that way.

Oh it’s clear. But not much to comment on when you are dealing with the unthinkable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:21:38pm

I don’t know whether Robert Harward would’ve been a good National Security Advisor, but this can’t be how government works. pic.twitter.com/rujr8uW08u

— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) February 17, 2017

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:22:09pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Curious to know how you have internet access when you keep saying there is no internet access in your area?

There is Internet access, through the telephone company.

Even though I am not exactly rich, I am wealthier than most of the people in my town. It costs 5% of my income.

As such, I am the only person in town with Internet service.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:23:26pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Curious to know how you have internet access when you keep saying there is no internet access in your area?

Do you pay 5% of your income to access the Internet? Curious.

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gocart mozart Feb 16, 2017 • 7:23:34pm

Punch A Nazi: The Game

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:24:21pm

re: #214 Anymouse

Mine is closer to 1%, actually. Now, to be fair, that’s the cheaper version, but at 5%, it would be so outrageously expensive that I’d probably wind up doing without.

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 7:24:22pm

re: #213 Anymouse

I am the only person in town with Internet service.

Do your town folk ever ask to use your internet?

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:25:42pm

re: #204 Anymouse

No, it wasn’t apparent.

No one has access to RedState here (that requires Internet access). No one could see Trump for what he was when a sanitised version of him is presented.

How about a Go Fund Me for Internet service, cable service, and cell phone service then?

Look at a map sometime of the areas of the country that have cell phone coverage or cable service coverage and get back with me. I’ll wait.

We are spectacularly bad at communicating with each other, perhaps because of a clash of reading and writing styles. So one last time:

I mentioned RedState not because I was assuming your neighbors read it, but because I was assuming (reasonably IMO) that the only media RedStaters looked to for assistance in forming their opinion is precisely the sanitized version of Trump you refer to above.

A nontrivial fraction of these RedStaters were not fooled by this sanitized image of Trump.

Therefore the power of this sanitized image of Trump is not absolute, even among hard core right wing nut jobs.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:26:01pm

re: #217 teleskiguy

Do your town folk ever ask to use your internet?

My neighbours have.

My wireless WiFi is open without a password, so three or four houses around me can access the Internet through my WiFi if they have computers. I intentionally keep my WiFi open for just such a reason.

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Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 7:26:53pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(sorry all…I’m trying to reverse today’s ick factor with cuteness overload…)

My Chica does that. I freaked the first time thinking she was scratching the glass, but no, all pads.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:27:24pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

My Chica does that. I freaked the first time thinking she was scratching the glass, but no, all pads.

My outdoor cat, Moonshine, does this constantly. Usually as a reminder that she needs food, or pets.

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:28:08pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

My Chica does that. I freaked the first time thinking she was scratching the glass, but no, all pads.

Kitty claws won’t scratch glass, unless you have diamond dust in the litter box.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:28:31pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

We are spectacularly bad at communicating with each other, perhaps because of a clash of reading and writing styles. So one last time:

I mentioned RedState not because I was assuming your neighbors read it, but because I was assuming (reasonably IMO) that the only media RedStaters looked to for assistance in forming their opinion is precisely the sanitized version of Trump you refer to above.

A nontrivial fraction of these RedStaters were not fooled by this sanitized image of Trump.

Therefore the power of this sanitized image of Trump is not absolute, even among hard core right wing nut jobs.

Well, perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by your statement.

I would love to win the Lotto and open a radio station or newspaper, even if it lost money, just to produce a counterpoint to the incessant Christian/hate radio propaganda (along with some good music to draw in an audience).

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:28:49pm

re: #213 Anymouse

There is Internet access, through the telephone company.

Even though I am not exactly rich, I am wealthier than most of the people in my town. It costs 5% of my income.

As such, I am the only person in town with Internet service.

My internet is through my telephone company for $26.99 a month.
It’s crap service (I posted my speed the other night when you posted yours that is lightspeed faster than mine) but it’s the only game in town, so to speak, unless I decide to go with satellite internet. We’re wealthy, compared to most everyone else in this county, but I’m still undecided on the satellite option because it’s really pricey.

These phone lines in the holler have been here since the 1940s. Nothing has changed since then.

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 7:29:46pm

re: #182 jaunte

I don’t think there’s a law against it, but stonewalling the fourth estate (who are supposed to be able to ask questions in the public interest) is colossally dumb for a “public servant.”

Well… yeah.

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 7:30:14pm

re: #219 Anymouse

My neighbours have.

My wireless WiFi is open without a password, so three or four houses around me can access the Internet through my WiFi if they have computers. I intentionally keep my WiFi open for just such a reason.

Where I’m at damn near every house around me has internet, so our WiFi is password protected.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:30:40pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

My internet is through my telephone company for $26.99 a month.
It’s crap service (I posted my speed the other night when you posted yours that is lightspeed faster than mine) but it’s the only game in town, so to speak, unless I decide to go with satellite internet. We’re wealthy, compared to most everyone else in this county, but I’m still undecided on the satellite option because it’s really pricey.

These phone lines in the holler have been here since the 1940s. Nothing has changed since then.

My Internet service is $110 a month. When you break down the telephone bill, it is about two-thirds of the bill.

By comparison, a year’s subscription to my regional newspaper is about $60.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:31:18pm

re: #219 Anymouse

My neighbours have.

My wireless WiFi is open without a password, so three or four houses around me can access the Internet through my WiFi if they have computers. I intentionally keep my WiFi open for just such a reason.

ah…that’s probably why your internet connection drops out from time to time.

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electrotek Feb 16, 2017 • 7:31:40pm

Today ISIS attack in Pakistan deadliest in the yrs, another attack in Baghdad! And we want to risk bringing them here within the refugees?

— Lori Hendry (@Lrihendry) February 17, 2017

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You stupid bimbo bitch, the refugees are the ones FLEEING from Da’esh/ISIS. Now don’t you have transgender bathrooms to whine about? https://t.co/tGyU9r1vAF

— دانیال (@danja84) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:31:53pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

Kitty claws won’t scratch glass, unless you have diamond dust in the litter box.

but they do a real number on the furniture and woodwork…

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EPR-radar Feb 16, 2017 • 7:33:00pm

re: #210 Anymouse

I just note that LGF is accessible by anyone. All it would take is one right-wing writer to note your comments, the Liberals think we’re pig people!

I’ll stick with “uninformed” or “misinformed.” I don’t see how calling Trump voters pig-people is much different than Nazis calling their opponents cockroaches, though Your Mileage May Vary.

Fuck them. Pig-people is already a Driftglass trademark anyway.

I’m a firm believer in the “all of the above” school of activism, where marches, reasoned arguments, ACT-UP style confrontations with officials, and rude commentary all have their uses.

When people vote for the likes of Donald Trump there is value in calling that out as the act of a pig-person.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 7:33:32pm

@WillMcAvoyACN tweet-storming a description of the Trump conflagration. He’s up to 80 tweets.

80. He added that other networks have the problem too. He then said that with someone like him as President ratings should be higher.

— Will McAvoy (@WillMcAvoyACN) February 17, 2017

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Hecuba's daughter Feb 16, 2017 • 7:33:50pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Ah, I forgot about at-will employment. Ugh. And while political affiliation is not a protected class, I didn’t think one could be fired merely on account of political views (essentially freedom of speech).

Freedom of speech is very limited; the Constitution does not protect you from being fired for your words.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:34:00pm

I was asked to leave the meeting with #ICE by @SpeakerRyan staff. Never before in 20 plus years has this happened. pic.twitter.com/Vbe0BnsZNK

— Luis V. Gutierrez (@RepGutierrez) February 16, 2017

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 7:35:53pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(sorry all…I’m trying to reverse today’s ick factor with cuteness overload…)

At first glance, I saw the building and totally missed the cat.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:36:02pm

re: #125 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I’m watching Babylon 5 right now.

Have you gotten to the episode where the new ISN talking heads were proclaiming how wildly successful President Clark’s Martial Law order was?

Reminds me of Fox News……

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:36:31pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

It’s floss your cat, not wash your cat.

Another snarky response is: “I have to go to a garage door opening.”

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 7:37:00pm

re: #195 Anymouse

Is that legal?

As for “pig people” I suppose there is no difference between those who were mislead and those who have access to other information? Like those with cable service, or Internet service (I pay 5% of my income for access to the Internet)?

I don’t really think calling the people of my town “pig people” will do much to advance a liberal message.

There is a difference between those who were misinformed and/or were underinformed (e.g., your example above) and the very base who will keep wearing the “deplorable” handle like a fucking badge of honor well after Trump’s inevitable downfall, be it contained to just himself, the entire GOP, or in the deaths of untold millions in a ball of flames.

My former boss falls solidly in the latter; those who just can’t be helped and refuse to be helped. He’s 63 and fits the standard Fox viewer demo that Bill O’Really and Lumpy scream at every night. Only cared about how much money he could make. Forgiveness is awfully tough towards someone who not only screwed me over, but helped screw the lives of billions over with his piggish vote, and I fully confess to being an imperfect person.

As for your corner of the world… I mean, I’m seeing Trump reaching underwater status in Iowa. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it drift that way in Nebraska. There is hope.

So no, it shouldn’t be a blanket term beyond the absolute worst of the worst.

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 7:40:33pm

re: #236 Eric The Fruit Bat

Have you gotten to the episode where the new ISN talking heads were proclaiming how wildly successful President Clark’s Martial Law order was?

Reminds me of Fox News……

Funny thing is, if Jerry Doyle were still alive, would he have noticed this in retrosect?

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 7:40:43pm

re: #210 Anymouse

I just note that LGF is accessible by anyone. All it would take is one right-wing writer to note your comments, the Liberals think we’re pig people!

I’ll stick with “uninformed” or “misinformed.” I don’t see how calling Trump voters pig-people is much different than Nazis calling their opponents cockroaches, though Your Mileage May Vary.

I really want to ignore this whole fucking discussion but I have to say, do you have any idea how uncool what you said is? Seriously, think about it.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:41:27pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah…that’s probably why your internet connection drops out from time to time.

If you were to click on my name here, it would lead you to my wife’s principal Website, through which I get my E-mail.

It has been down for five days. The company that provides her with service gave her a response today on the telephone that they still haven’t looked into it yet. They will get to it next week.

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Interesting Times Feb 16, 2017 • 7:43:07pm

Rob Ford’s tenure as mayor was 43% less chaotic than the current Trump administration

— Stats Canada (@stats_canada) February 17, 2017

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 7:44:27pm

re: #229 electrotek

@Lrihendry they arrested a white “supremacist” in Carolina today for wanting to shoot up a synagogue. All southerners must go! #SeeHowDumb?

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) February 17, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:44:32pm

Sit back kids and hear today’s weird story from the Backwoods holler:

This afternoon I let the dogs out back into the extremely large fenced-in area, as I do several hundred times during the course of a typical day.
The Jack Russell Terror eventually barks to come in and I, the dutiful human, open the door at her command.
But then I see…
the goofy hound has something in the yard THAT WAS NOT THERE when I let them out.
It looks like some long curled up cardboard and I’m all like WTF is that and where did they get it?
I walk out and gaaaah!!!! it’s a deerskin!
About two and a half feet long and eight inches wide, but it’s a freaking deerskin with hair still on it.
And only slighty dried out..it’s still flexible.

All things considered, my best guess is that it fell from the sky…

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:45:20pm

re: #240 MsJ

I really want to ignore this whole fucking discussion but I have to say, do you have any idea how uncool what you said is? Seriously, think about it.

I’ll stick with “uninformed” or “misinformed.” I’m sure there are a considerable number of Trump voters that voted for exactly the racist and bigoted things he said. I’m sure all of them did not (like most of the people where I live).

If “not painting everyone with a broad brush” is uncool, then I am uncool.

Okay, let’s drop this line of discussion. I’ll just post guinea pig pictures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:46:24pm

re: #241 Anymouse

If you were to click on my name here, it would lead you to my wife’s principal Website, through which I get my E-mail.

It has been down for five days. The company that provides her with service gave her a response today on the telephone that they still haven’t looked into it yet. They will get to it next week.

Your wife’s email/webserver is the same as your internet provider?

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stpaulbear Feb 16, 2017 • 7:47:14pm

These fucking republicans.

Chaffetz wants a grand jury… on the emails. https://t.co/srbWKp7Mx1

— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 17, 2017

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:48:46pm

re: #239 Myron Falwell

Funny thing is, if Jerry Doyle were still alive, would he have noticed this in retrospect?

Good question….I tried rooting around for his last show and Talk Radio Network’s Premium Secure URL has an expired certificate. Go figure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:48:56pm

re: #247 stpaulbear

These fucking republicans.

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Chaffetz is so full of shit the overflow is dripping out of every one of his portals.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:49:19pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your wife’s email/webserver is the same as your internet provider?

Yes.

I suppose she could go with someone else - though that would take considerable effort on her part to move her Websites from CenturyLink to someone else - I am not sure of the effort required because I am not a computer person.

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 7:49:22pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

During hunting season white 55-gallon drums appear at every interstate exit with black letters that say DEER/ELK HIDES NO TRASH

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Hecuba's daughter Feb 16, 2017 • 7:50:15pm

re: #195 Anymouse

As for “pig people” I suppose there is no difference between those who were mislead and those who have access to other information? Like those with cable service, or Internet service (I pay 5% of my income for access to the Internet)?

I don’t really think calling the people of my town “pig people” will do much to advance a liberal message.

The Trumpers I know are educated and have access to information from diverse sources. Among them, one person is a PhD in history(!) who according to mutual friends was a birther; another, who lives in Texas, travels regularly to Europe and Asia for his employer and has friends in these other countries. You would think with their backgrounds they would know better. Maybe it really is like a cult and you sacrifice your independence of thought to be part of a larger movement. They certainly believe government is evil and business is good.

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Myron Falwell Feb 16, 2017 • 7:50:35pm

re: #247 stpaulbear

Someone needs to superimpose Chaffetz’s dumbass head on a painting of Marie Antoinette. This is his “let them eat cake!” moment.

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Stanley Sea Feb 16, 2017 • 7:50:39pm

Festivus again.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 7:50:56pm

re: #247 stpaulbear

These fucking republicans.

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Chaffetz, literally: “BUT HER EMAILS!”

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:51:34pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:52:21pm

re: #250 Anymouse

Yes.

I suppose she could go with someone else - though that would take considerable effort on her part to move her Websites from CenturyLink to someone else - I am not sure of the effort required because I am not a computer person.

So, you still have internet service even though your wife’s webserver/email is down.
Doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that I mentioned your internet dropouts are most likely due to you having an open wireless Wifi.
The more people/devices using a Wifi connection reduces the speeds and connectivity.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 7:54:39pm

re: #219 Anymouse

My neighbours have.

My wireless WiFi is open without a password, so three or four houses around me can access the Internet through my WiFi if they have computers. I intentionally keep my WiFi open for just such a reason.

From a security perspective this is an incredibly bad practice, you should stop doing it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:54:55pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

During hunting season white 55-gallon drums appear at every interstate exit with black letters that say DEER/ELK HIDES NO TRASH

It really sickens me when we find whitetail deer carcasses just dumped on the roadside and the only thing missing is the tenderloins.
I hate to broadbrush, but it’s damned city hunters. Locals use every part of the deer.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:55:37pm

re: #256 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:56:26pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:57:12pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 7:57:24pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

It really sickens me when we find whitetail deer carcasses just dumped on the roadside and the only thing missing is the tenderloins.
I hate to broadbrush, but it’s damned city hunters. Locals use every part of the deer.

That’s kind of fucked up because once you’ve gotten to the tenderloins out you’re like more than 85% done with the hard work.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:57:31pm

Seems like we have a new bubble….

Wolf Street: “Seriously Delinquent” Auto Loans Surge-Bank regulators have been warning, now it’s happening.

Auto loan balances in 2016 surged at the fastest pace in the 18-year history of the data series, the report said, driven by the highest originations of loans ever. Alas, what the auto industry has been dreading is now happening: Delinquencies have begun to surge.

If we have a crises in the finance sector that takes down an institution, stand back folks….

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:57:42pm

re: #256 Eric The Fruit Bat

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 7:57:51pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:58:20pm

re: #266 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 7:58:33pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

That’s kind of fucked up because once you’ve gotten to the tenderloins out you’re like more than 85% done with the hard work.

and they’ve left a lot of really good parts to rot on their way to the tenderloins

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 7:58:42pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

From a security perspective this is an incredibly bad practice, you should stop doing it.

I am not terribly concerned about security from my neighbours. I am more concerned about providing a source for Internet service for people who can’t afford it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 7:59:09pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 7:59:42pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

That’s kind of fucked up because once you’ve gotten to the tenderloins out you’re like more than 85% done with the hard work.

I’ve field dressed deer, elk, and a bear. I can vouch for this. The skinning and de-fattening of the bear was messy and time consuming.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 7:59:42pm

re: #270 Eric The Fruit Bat

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 7:59:57pm

re: #269 Anymouse

I am not terribly concerned about security from my neighbours. I am more concerned about providing a source for Internet service for people who can’t afford it.

Setting a simple password that you share with your neighbors would achieve this goal and give you a bit more security.

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Lidane Feb 16, 2017 • 8:01:09pm

re: Pence — *cough* bullshit *cough*

BREAKING: Fox News is reporting Trump was fully briefed on the Flynn call with Russia after it happened—and allowed Pence to be lied to.

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) February 17, 2017

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:02:35pm

re: #272 thedopefishlives

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 8:03:22pm

re: #275 Eric The Fruit Bat

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 8:03:48pm

re: #269 Anymouse

I am not terribly concerned about security from my neighbours. I am more concerned about providing a source for Internet service for people who can’t afford it.

The same people who not so vaguely threatened you and made you feel physically insecure within very recent memory? If they really need it they can ask you for the password, you can restrict it to known devices and log access. As unlikely as trouble may be just letting any rando that drives through town hop onto your network is straight up asking for it.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 8:04:31pm

re: #276 thedopefishlives

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:04:50pm

Again, for those in the back row who missed it the first two times I said it: the numbers of devices using a wifi at the same time = decreased speed/connectivity/dropouts

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:05:13pm

re: #265 Anymouse

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 8:05:41pm

re: #273 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Setting a simple password that you share with your neighbors would achieve this goal and give you a bit more security.

That’s true; I didn’t think of that.

I could use the one Sean Spicer tweeted the other day. /s

Seriously though, in range of my wireless is the house across the street, the house next to me, the church across the other street, and the village park. There really isn’t much in the way of a threat to my computer in a town of 124 people.

That said, leaving it totally open makes a threat to my or my wife’s computers a possibility (however remote).

I think I’ll take up your idea, thank you.

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 8:05:42pm

re: #274 Lidane

So, the not-so-secret conservative plan is to dump Trump and let shining innocent Dominionist Pence take over .

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KGxvi Feb 16, 2017 • 8:06:04pm

re: #274 Lidane

re: Pence — *cough* bullshit *cough*

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Holy shit! It’s going to happen. He’s going to call Fox News fake news. They’re going to turn on each other!

Maybe I’m being to optimistic, but gawd I’d love to see this happen

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:06:39pm

Full disclosure: my actual landline phone bill each month is $86.82.
$26.99 is the laughable “broadband lite” charge.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:07:01pm

re: #281 Anymouse

decentsecurity.com - bookmark it and follow its instructions on securing your network.

(updated bad link)

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 8:07:24pm

re: #278 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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KGxvi Feb 16, 2017 • 8:07:29pm

re: #282 jaunte

So, the not-so-secret conservative plan is to dump Trump and let shining innocent Dominionist Pence take over .

Hasn’t that allegedly been tha plan for a while?

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jaunte Feb 16, 2017 • 8:08:12pm

Also curious how much longer this fiction of “Pence knew nothing” is gonna hold.

— Jessica Pieklo (@Hegemommy) February 17, 2017

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 8:08:29pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Full disclosure: my actual landline phone bill each month is $86.82.
$26.99 is the laughable “broadband lite” charge.

I pay $54.99/month for dedicated DSL service with no landline phone. It’s top-of-the-line DSL service, though; the only way to get faster service would be to go to cable, but the cable provider implemented bandwidth caps a couple of years ago, so I cut that cord when we started doing streaming TV and more online gaming.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:08:49pm

Trump: “The leaks are real. The leaks are real. The leaks are absolutely real.” You can go to prison for smoking a joint. This is treason.

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) February 17, 2017

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus Feb 16, 2017 • 8:09:22pm

re: #252 Hecuba’s daughter

Same with me.

It’s not that people don’t have access to information, it’s that they pick sources that flatter them and condemn people who are different. This includes some racism and sexism, but really the ceiling is much higher than a specific -ism: it’s a sense that their tribe is best, and every other tribe is inferior. The refusal to empathize is the starting point, not the end point, of their politics. They don’t want to understand, they don’t want to see things other ways. They feel attacked when someone suggests they don’t have all the information, and they “defend” with direct insults, not counter-arguments.

The “nicest” Trump supporters I know are people who just don’t ask questions or see the need to read beyond a soundbite’s length. Just talked to a dude who thought Iran had actual nukes, didn’t know there were other countries involved, never heard of the nuclear triad. But before I started talking, he was 100% confident in his “read” of the situation.

The problem isn’t as simple as rallying the Democratic Party flag: there’s an information problem, a cultural problem. People don’t know how to test a claim and find facts. They’re flooded with narratives that are rhetorically cunning—-straightforward hero/villain antics, big emotions—but designed to overwrite what actually happened.

And the last thing, which I think has to be paid attention to: at the bottom of the cultural problem is the idea that liberals are inherently bad people. We’re baby killers, pagans, hippies that spit on veterans, et cetera. Even “smart” conservatives like David Brooks falls back to this position whenever convenient (read, for example, his condemnation of Iraq war critics) For years and years, the “right” (which isn’t really conservative, just reactionary and authoritarian) has cultivated the idea that there is no discussion to be had, that anything can be justified—and anything excused—because they’re fighting the Satanic baby-killers.

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MsJ Feb 16, 2017 • 8:09:28pm

re: #282 jaunte

So, the not-so-secret conservative plan is to dump Trump and let shining innocent Dominionist Pence take over .

Sounds that way. Trump apparently lost Fox today. And when you’re too crazy for Fox you’re screwed.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 8:10:54pm

re: #280 Eric The Fruit Bat

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Feb 16, 2017 • 8:10:59pm

re: #288 jaunte

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Regardless of the facts, Fox will hold Pence up as the squeaky clean boy scout who magically ignored all of the bad shit going on around him.

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unproven innocence Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:02pm

re: #285 Eric The Fruit Bat
Have you tried your link?

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:16pm

re: #285 Eric The Fruit Bat

swiftonsecurity.com - bookmark it and follow its instructions on securing your network.

There’s nothing here.

Whatever you were looking for doesn’t currently exist at this address. Unless you were looking for this error page, in which case: Congrats! You totally found it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:17pm

re: #289 thedopefishlives

I pay $54.99/month for dedicated DSL service with no landline phone. It’s top-of-the-line DSL service, though; the only way to get faster service would be to go to cable, but the cable provider implemented bandwidth caps a couple of years ago, so I cut that cord when we started doing streaming TV and more online gaming.

I don’t have cable available.
The phone company tells me this laughable “broadband lite” (it’s about as good as dialup on good days) is the best I can get due to equipment limits. My nearest neighbor (about 1/16 of mile away if that) has full broadband and can stream movies and everything.

I now know what “end of the line” really means…

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:17pm

The way @realDonaldTrump condescends and belittles reporter @AprilDRyan is disgraceful. What a fucking douchebag. https://t.co/LxM3zggizt

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) February 17, 2017

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goddamnedfrank Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:25pm

re: #288 jaunte

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I actually think he didn’t know. He probably suspected it, but I think there really is a rift between him and Trump that resulted in him being frozen out on this. We kind of forget how fragile their relationship was during and after the Access Hollywood tape but I’ve seen nothing to indicate it’s been repaired since then. Pence being kept out of the loop is also totally consistent with the rest of the chaos that’s surrounded the administration, there’s just bucketloads of drama and dysfunction going on over there.

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retired cynic Feb 16, 2017 • 8:12:40pm

re: #214 Anymouse

Do you pay 5% of your income to access the Internet? Curious.

Probably. The only way I can get it is via rooftop satellite dish, and it is quite expensive. I figure about 10 x faster than dialup, and cable is probably 10 x faster than this. I can handle the speed. The problem is the monthly data limit. I hit it a lot, and the only way to get around is to pay through the nose. Since I work online, sometimes I just have to pay.

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thedopefishlives Feb 16, 2017 • 8:14:04pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t have cable available.
The phone company tells me this laughable “broadband lite” (it’s about as good as dialup on good days) is the best I can get due to equipment limits. My nearest neighbor (about 1/16 of mile away if that) has full broadband and can stream movies and everything.

I now know what “end of the line” really means…

You could probably pay through the nose to get them to extend the lines to your residence. And when I say “pay through the nose,” I mean it; our company is going through this in trying to get fiber run to our office building. It’s literally right across the train tracks from the end of the run, but of course, that run is exorbitantly expensive.

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KGxvi Feb 16, 2017 • 8:14:15pm

re: #294 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Regardless of the facts, Fox will hold Pence up as the squeaky clean boy scout who magically ignored all of the bad shit going on around him.

It’s a fine line to walk. Too much ignorance and you paint yourself as an easy mark, and nobody wants an easy mark as president. Too much knowledge and you get swept up in corruptnado that eventually takes down Trump.

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retired cynic Feb 16, 2017 • 8:16:01pm

re: #227 Anymouse

My Internet service is $110 a month. When you break down the telephone bill, it is about two-thirds of the bill.

By comparison, a year’s subscription to my regional newspaper is about $60.

Yep, mine is higher than that. Sigh.

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Anymouse Feb 16, 2017 • 8:16:58pm

re: #303 retired cynic

Yep, mine is higher than that. Sigh.

Yikes. I thought my Internet service was high.

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KGxvi Feb 16, 2017 • 8:17:05pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

I actually think he didn’t know. He probably suspected it, but I think there really is a rift between him and Trump that resulted in him being frozen out on this. We kind of forget how fragile their relationship was during and after the Access Hollywood tape but I’ve seen nothing to indicate it’s been repaired since then. Pence being kept out of the loop is also totally consistent with the rest of the chaos that’s surrounded the administration, there’s just bucketloads of drama and dysfunction going on over there.

I could definitely see Pence as the standard “wake up and ask how the president’s health is and then sit around doing nothing all day” sort of Vice President. Especially considering Trump’s typical disdain for anyone outside his inner circle

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JordanRules Feb 16, 2017 • 8:17:43pm

Greetings All,

Just joined after lurking for a while. Found this wonderful place via Balloon Juice. Waves hi to the hybrid lizard jackals

Looking forward to joining the discussion. I really appreciate the sanity and sheer amount of info his place provides. Also love how much thought, work and functionality Charles has put into this space. It’s really impressive.

One thing I’m likely to do, is provide tidbits from having lived in what many call “the hood”. This will include unfair expenses (hood taxes), resource inaccessibility, disparate treatment from service providers and unique environmental and infrastructure neglect. (shout out Flint). Then we can discuss how somehow these areas still produce voters who don’t sign up for bigotry and destructiveness. Should be good times! ;)

Since I’m new in the house and have good manners, I’m going to chill and enjoy the drinks for a while first.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:19:15pm

re: #301 thedopefishlives

You could probably pay through the nose to get them to extend the lines to your residence. And when I say “pay through the nose,” I mean it; our company is going through this in trying to get fiber run to our office building. It’s literally right across the train tracks from the end of the run, but of course, that run is exorbitantly expensive.

When I lived in Illinois, the phone company installed fiber back in the late 80s to us out in farmland. I was amazed at how much faster my dialup became. Mind you, we are talking about the days BEFORE the WorldWideWeb became a thing. I had an .edu account back in those days.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:19:38pm

re: #293 Anymouse

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:19:54pm

re: #295 unproven innocence

I fixed it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Feb 16, 2017 • 8:20:13pm

re: #296 Anymouse

decentsecurity.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 16, 2017 • 8:20:27pm

re: #306 JordanRules

Greetings All,

Just joined after lurking for a while. Found this wonderful place via Balloon Juice. Waves hi to the hybrid lizard jackals

Looking forward to joining the discussion. I really appreciate the sanity and sheer amount of info his place provides. Also love how much thought, work and functionality Charles has put into this space. It’s really impressive.

One thing I’m likely to do, is provide tidbits from having lived in what many call “the hood”. This will include unfair expenses (hood taxes), resource inaccessibility, disparate treatment from service providers and unique environmental and infrastructure neglect. (shout out Flint). Then we can discuss how somehow these areas still produce voters who don’t sign up for bigotry and destructiveness. Should be good times! ;)

Since I’m new in the house and have good manners, I’m going to chill and enjoy the drinks for a while first.

welcome hatchling!
You showed up just in time as we all move upstairs to the next post.
Bring the beer along with you…

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teleskiguy Feb 16, 2017 • 8:35:47pm

re: #306 JordanRules

A new pledge!

Giphy

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nines09 Feb 16, 2017 • 8:41:25pm

Remember. Donald doesn’t understand why you have something you will not use. maybe a little one. Maybe a smaller one. Depends on the wording, the intent, the walk up and completion of the fix. Everybody has someone to burn, why not put a couple bucks in your pocket and enhance your status in the world of your fevered selfish mind. Somebody else always cleans it up, and we had atomic weapons dropped before and these are more controlled. Why not? But who? Maybe Putin can find proof of a suspect terror attack against one of my properties, with Americans in them. Would that work? Or a ship off the coast around the world. Korean? Chinese? Sudanese? Think. The only way to save massive US lives would be to nuke the threat. Only way. We lose a few brave souls, but we show the world. Yes. STEVE!!! Work on this….I have to tweet about the lying cheating media playing me for a fool. I could have shot some ass on 5th ave and lost nothing. Let’s see where this goes…BANNON!!! BAAANNNOOON! Get me a fucking clearance for the boom box. Get that boy up here with the key and the fucking secondary code, bitch..Lets look at options. MY PHONE!!!

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Jebediah, RBG Feb 17, 2017 • 6:18:41am

re: #191 EPR-radar

Even after dismissing everything they see in the ‘liberal media’ as lies, the RedState never-Trumpers could still see Trump for what he is.

In his own words, at his own rallies, he made it very clear.

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