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darthstar  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:18:10pm

I accidentally clicked on this link. Now I have to start the Trump presser all over.

(Okay, I jumped to 34 minutes which is where I left off when we went to dinner - which we didn’t get because today”s a one day immigrant strike, and EVERY FUCKING RESTAURANT on the coast is closed - except the Chinese place - and that’s okay…we’re getting by with toast and an appreciation for services not available.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:19:27pm

From the previous page:

re: #296 Anymouse

Concerning swiftonsecurity.com which you suggested, the page does not exist.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:20:55pm

re: #1 darthstar

Long days at work for both of us…and our server told us last night they’d be closed today…but we didn’t feel like cooking, so we got to appreciate the impact by driving around to see if anyone was open…the new brewpub was open, but their kitchen was closed in solidarity - liquid diets are safe!

Even the Burger King and McDonald’s in HMB were closed…we drove by just to check…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:21:13pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:21:16pm

re: #2 Anymouse

decentsecurity.com is the correct link.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:21:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:21:39pm

re: #2 Anymouse

From the previous page:

Concerning swiftonsecurity.com which you suggested, the page does not exist.

go back and check response to that.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:21:54pm

re: #3 darthstar

Long days at work for both of us…and our server told us last night they’d be closed today…but we didn’t feel like cooking, so we got to appreciate the impact by driving around to see if anyone was open…the new brewpub was open, but their kitchen was closed in solidarity - liquid diets are safe!

Even the Burger King and McDonald’s in HMB were closed…we drove by just to check…

Excellent.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:22:20pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:22:31pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’ve been conned.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:23:02pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such a spineless wimp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:23:15pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

You’ve been conned.

and he is delighted…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:24:11pm

Brian Williams weighs in on Trump’s disaster of a press conference today. Oh my.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:24:14pm

What the fuck does Ryan know about compassion anyhow?

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:24:17pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Such a spineless wimp.

He’s still riding the crocodile, hoping it’ll be full before it turns on him

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:25:12pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What the fuck does Ryan know about compassion anyhow?

He read about it once in a book. Took him a decade to understand it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:25:44pm

re: #15 KGxvi

He’s still riding the crocodile, hoping it’ll be full before it turns on him

He still thinks the snake is an immigrant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:26:27pm

Fmr. Nixon W.H. Counsel John Dean: “I’ve never seen a more classless president.”

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:26:36pm

CNN straight up trolling Trumpy

“Turn your sound up and watch President Trump conduct an amazing symphony — er, press conference”

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:26:45pm

Pulling my first comment up from downstairs. I love how y’all do that here!

Greetings All,

Just joined after lurking for a while. Found this wonderful place via Balloon Juice. Waves hi to the hybrid lizard jackals

Looking forward to joining the discussion. I really appreciate the sanity and sheer amount of info his place provides. Also love how much thought, work and functionality Charles has put into this space. It’s really impressive.

One thing I’m likely to do, is provide tidbits from having lived in what many call “the hood”. This will include unfair expenses (hood taxes), resource inaccessibility, disparate treatment from service providers and unique environmental and infrastructure neglect. (shout out Flint). Then we can discuss how somehow these areas still produce voters who don’t sign up for bigotry and destructiveness. Should be good times! ;)

Since I’m new in the house and have good manners, I’m going to chill and enjoy the drinks for a while first.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:29:05pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That was BRUTAL. Good for him.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:29:43pm

This is the sequence where we find out that Ryan was voted biggest brown-noser in high school.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:29:45pm

I’m beginning to think it’s not that they think they can control him, but that they just totally don’t care what damage he’ll do, because it’s not damage to the narrow band of stuff they care about.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:29:55pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Howdy and welcome!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:30:55pm
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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:30:58pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tell us what you really think, Brian

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thedopefishlives  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:31:09pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Welcome aboard, young hatchling. Newbies provide the booze. Coffee, pie, and gamey troll buttocks are on the side table to your left. Buckle your seat belt and enjoy the ride.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:31:48pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Pulling my first comment up from downstairs. I love how y’all do that here!

Greetings All,

Just joined after lurking for a while. Found this wonderful place via Balloon Juice. Waves hi to the hybrid lizard jackals

Looking forward to joining the discussion. I really appreciate the sanity and sheer amount of info his place provides. Also love how much thought, work and functionality Charles has put into this space. It’s really impressive.

One thing I’m likely to do, is provide tidbits from having lived in what many call “the hood”. This will include unfair expenses (hood taxes), resource inaccessibility, disparate treatment from service providers and unique environmental and infrastructure neglect. (shout out Flint). Then we can discuss how somehow these areas still produce voters who don’t sign up for bigotry and destructiveness. Should be good times! ;)

Since I’m new in the house and have good manners, I’m going to chill and enjoy the drinks for a while first.

Greetings, hatchling…from another jackal/lizard hybrid. :)

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:31:54pm

re: #5 Eric The Fruit Bat

decentsecurity.com is the correct link.

Thanks, I will check that out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:32:08pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:34:23pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just speculation and click bait. Now if Mattis does go…holy shit.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:34:53pm

re: #5 Eric The Fruit Bat

decentsecurity.com is the correct link.

I noted on the first link about Internet outages there:

When you hear about major home Internet outages on the news, it’s often because the servers the ISP was using that operate as the phonebook of the Internet were attacked or were down.

Our last Internet outage was because someone ploughed into a telephone pole. It took CenturyLink two weeks to even come look at it.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:35:54pm

E. J. Dionne:

“…In this dark moment, we can celebrate the vitality of the institutions of a free society that are pushing back against a president offering the country a remarkable combination of authoritarian inclinations and ineptitude. The courts, civil servants, citizens — collectively and individually — and, yes, an unfettered media have all checked Trump and forced inconvenient facts into the sunlight.”
washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:36:19pm

.@johnrobertsFox: @POTUS was in fact fully briefed on the content of those conversations that Gen. Flynn had with the Russian ambassador.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:36:35pm

Gonna watch opening of Colbert before I hit the sack.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:37:40pm

Colbert is killing it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:37:49pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He wanted Flynn for Dec Sec too I believe. He really likes Flynn. It’s obvious he’s not happy that he had to let him go.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:38:26pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Welcome!!

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:39:21pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Watergate took 900 days to play out. Flynnghazi is going to take 90 days…

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:39:28pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Pulling my first comment up from downstairs. I love how y’all do that here!

Greetings All,

Just joined after lurking for a while. Found this wonderful place via Balloon Juice. Waves hi to the hybrid lizard jackals

Looking forward to joining the discussion. I really appreciate the sanity and sheer amount of info his place provides. Also love how much thought, work and functionality Charles has put into this space. It’s really impressive.

One thing I’m likely to do, is provide tidbits from having lived in what many call “the hood”. This will include unfair expenses (hood taxes), resource inaccessibility, disparate treatment from service providers and unique environmental and infrastructure neglect. (shout out Flint). Then we can discuss how somehow these areas still produce voters who don’t sign up for bigotry and destructiveness. Should be good times! ;)

Since I’m new in the house and have good manners, I’m going to chill and enjoy the drinks for a while first.

Welcome aboard.

Mr. Johnson puts an amazing amount of work into ensuring his Website is as informative as possible.

The folk around here are well-informed about all sorts of government policy and political positions.

I think you’ll find your time her well-spent. Even though there are disagreements (as there are in all endeavours), you’ll be better informed for your time here.

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:39:42pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a crush on Katy Tur.

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:41:05pm

re: #20 JordanRules

You’re a new pledge!

Giphy

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:41:11pm

re: #20 JordanRules

Usually, this is where we inform you that the suitcase full of panda meat will arrive in the mail…but we’re temporarily out of pandas. And suitcases. And—spoiler alert—sufficient scopolamine to transport your unwitting self to a dingy hut in Phuket. So we’re improv-ing on a budget.

So…the fallback hatbox full of lemurs will arrive in 2-5 days. Don’t worry about how exactly we’re going to drug you, but it would make the whole scenario easier if you just uncritically eat and drink everything even if it tastes slightly like numbness and the void of unconsciousness.

Sadly, we’ll only be able to abduct you to someplace within Norwegian Air’s special offer discount tickets. How do you feel about Reykjavik?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:41:25pm

Chaffetz going after Hillary and her aides because of course.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:43:21pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

I have a crush on Katy Tur.

If I suggest that around my wife, I would be the new hood ornament on our Smart car (after she ran me over).

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:43:25pm

Alright, say this continues to unfold at the current pace, and Trump is ousted/resigns/is picked up by the mothership and returns to Zargon, and Pence somehow lets all the dogshit slide off of him and is elevated to President. Gross.

What’s the likelihood that a President Pence would keep any of Trump’s krazy kabinet?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:43:42pm
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:43:49pm

Thanks for the welcomes everyone!

I think we’ll see another resignation within a week. I wish I could resign from this shitty reality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:46:25pm
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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:46:34pm

The All Thumbs Administration

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:47:16pm

re: #43 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Sooooo all this is code for how I get my Soros treasure then? Cool, got it!

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:47:40pm

re: #43 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Usually, this is where we inform you that the suitcase full of panda meat will arrive in the mail…but we’re temporarily out of pandas. And suitcases. And—spoiler alert—sufficient scopolamine to transport your unwitting self to a dingy hut in Phuket. So we’re improv-ing on a budget.

So…the fallback hatbox full of lemurs will arrive in 2-5 days. Don’t worry about how exactly we’re going to drug you, but it would make the whole scenario easier if you just uncritically eat and drink everything even if it tastes slightly like numbness and the void of unconsciousness.

Sadly, we’ll only be able to abduct you to someplace within Norwegian Air’s special offer discount tickets. How do you feel about Reykjavik?

Is this not a reasonable place to park?

Giphy

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:48:34pm

re: #46 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Alright, say this continues to unfold at the current pace, and Trump is ousted/resigns/is picked up by the mothership and returns to Zargon, and Pence somehow lets all the dogshit slide off of him and is elevated to President. Gross.

What’s the likelihood that a President Pence would keep any of Trump’s krazy kabinet?

My guess is most of the ones who have been confirmed would stay for a bit. Tillerson and Mnuchin are likely out immediately. But the rest, except maybe Mattis and Kelly, are career Republicans that would have a position in most any Republican administration. Those that haven’t been confirmed as of yet might be withdrawn

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:49:50pm

re: #51 JordanRules

Nope. Soros cash is an entirely different set of forms to fill out…though the amount of drugging and abduction is roughly the same.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:50:00pm

Carried over from the last thread:

re: #308 Eric The Fruit Bat

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I know what a credit card is. The rest of that is a foreign language.

We pay our balances via cheque or cash. No provider I know takes anything but an insurance card, cash, or cheque. I have no idea what an HSA is, electroincid is, and no one accepts on-line payments here (you need an on-line first).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:52:39pm

re: #50 jaunte

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The All Thumbs Administration

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:54:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:54:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:55:18pm

re: #57 jaunte

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and there’s someone there posing as a female…

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:55:26pm

11th Circuit strikes down Florida’s ban on doctors asking about guns in the home, citing I Amendment:
huffingtonpost.com;

More at Huffington Post:

The Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, signed in 2011 by Gov. Rick Scott (R), broadly prohibited doctors, emergency room workers and other health care professionals from asking patients whether they had guns, except in vaguely defined circumstances “relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety.”

The law said doctors “should refrain from unnecessarily harassing a patient about firearm ownership during an examination” and prohibited discrimination against firearms owners by refusing care or counseling against firearm ownership. Violators faced huge fines and revocation of their medical license.

The law was immediately challenged by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which sued the state on behalf of several doctors and more than 11,000 health care organizations.

Doctors routinely ask patients about potential hazards in the home, including drugs, chemicals, firearms and swimming pools. The American Medical Association for nearly 30 years has encouraged members to ask about guns in particular “as a part of childproofing the home and to educate patients to the dangers of firearms to children.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:55:48pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, where is the baby this gang of thugs and crooks has sacrificed to their Lord and Master, Beelzebub? There’s no other explanation for those uber-creepy grins on everyone’s face.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:55:57pm

Animal House - All Is Well!

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:56:58pm

re: #57 jaunte

The fact that this photo was staged at all is pretty preposterous. I don’t recall Obama staging such photo ops.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:57:17pm

re: #57 jaunte

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He’s up past bedtime/CNN time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:58:00pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:59:12pm

A tweet from one of the raddest skiers that I know of.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:59:14pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Worked like a champ. He needs to repeat tomorrow.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:59:34pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 8:59:40pm

re: #55 Anymouse

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:00:09pm

re: #54 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Nope. Soros cash is an entirely different set of forms to fill out…though the amount of drugging and abduction is roughly the same.

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Lidane  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:00:43pm

re: #68 Scottish Dragon

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:00:54pm

Okay…finally finished that shit show. At one point my wife shouted, “Is that our fucking president?”

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EPR-radar  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:00:55pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

The fact that this photo was staged at all is pretty preposterous. I don’t recall Obama staging such photo ops.

Had Obama done any single one of Trump’s innumerable ‘first 3 and change weeks’ clusterfucks, the resulting RWNJ howls of outrage would have deafened every animal on Earth having ears, and would even now be miraculously propagating through outer space to cause some kind of unimaginable disaster in the galactic core some 26,000 years from now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:01:23pm

re: #68 Scottish Dragon

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Someone who went from being a possible GOP nominee to a punch line.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:01:41pm

Why doesn’t Christie just decline the invitation?

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Lidane  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:01:58pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

Had Obama done any single one of Trump’s innumerable ‘first 3 and change weeks’ clusterfucks, the resulting RWNJ howls of outrage would have deafened every animal on Earth having ears, and would even now be miraculously propagating through outer space to cause some kind of unimaginable disaster in the galactic core some 26,000 years from now.

If Hillary had ordered the Yemen raid, RWNJ militia types would’ve been scaling the White House fences from all directions.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:02:40pm

FBI Records Vault Twitter account releasing archives on FBI files about Donald Trump not renting to African Americans, with the usual Wonkette snark:

wonkette.com

The FBI’s Records Management Division receives thousands of FOIA requests annually which are processed on a first in, first out (FIFO) basis. By law, FOIA materials that have been requested three or more times are posted electronically to the FBI’s public reading room shortly after they are processed. Per the standard procedure for FOIA, these materials became available for release and were posted automatically and electronically to the FBI’s public reading room in accordance with the law and established procedures.

So it was pure coincidence that some FOIA requests happened to result in the FBI Archive posting documents that might be of interest during the election. Besides, they also posted Nikola Tesla’s FBI file at the same time, so clearly that wasn’t politically motivated, right?

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:02:46pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

It caused what I am going to call the Trump Effect: an attempt by someone to intimidate the press which instead only passes them off and makes them more aggressive. See the Brian Williams clip.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:02:57pm

re: #75 jaunte

Why doesn’t Christie just decline the invitation?

Because he knows he’s hated in Jersey and wants to be hated in the DMV?

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EPR-radar  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:02:58pm

re: #72 darthstar

Okay…finally finished that shit show. At one point my wife shouted, “Is that our fucking president?”

God. I can’t imagine subjecting myself to that. Even secondhand Trump gibberish is a potent enstupidator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:03:00pm

someone better at photoshop than me…trump as johnjohn and bannon as jfk.

please, please, please…

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:03:31pm

re: #72 darthstar

Okay…finally finished that shit show. At one point my wife shouted, “Is that our fucking president?”

I watched the whole thing too, with liberal beer and bong breaks. Un-fucking-believable. The rate at which the press conference got worse was exponential. The last 20 minutes are excruciating.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:03:42pm

re: #68 Scottish Dragon

Saw that over at BoingBoing and was getting ready to post that-you beat me to it. But the fact that the New Jersey Whale actually told folks about it is very telling indeed-sorta like what Trump did to Roy Cohn, in a way.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:03:50pm

re: #75 jaunte

Why doesn’t Christie just decline the invitation?

If you read the story, it looks like he really could not.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:04:14pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:05:13pm

re: #84 Scottish Dragon

The Boston Globe website is very reluctant to load for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:05:28pm

re: #78 Belafon

It caused what I am going to call the Trump Effect: an attempt by someone to intimidate the press which instead only passes them off and makes them more aggressive. See the Brian Williams clip.

according to reports, the yam walked into his office this morning and announced he wanted a press conference.
Out of the blue, he wanted a press conference.

This Flynn thing and the media is driving him even more over the edge.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:05:29pm

Good night. Kids to teach tomorrow.

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EPR-radar  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:06:36pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

according to reports, the yam walked into his office this morning and announced he wanted a press conference.
Out of the blue, he wanted a press conference.

This Flynn thing and the media is driving him even more over the edge.

Good. Please proceed, POTUS* von Clownstick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:07:23pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:07:50pm

re: #85 Anymouse

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Joe Bacon  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:07:53pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone better at photoshop than me…trump as johnjohn and bannon as jfk.

please, please, please…

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Oh I look at that picture and I begin to well up in tears thinking of both of them and noting just how far this country has fallen…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:08:51pm

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

I love LGF, but getting on that Soros Money train would be sweet. I mean, the perks package:

All-expenses-paid annual vacation to the secret moon base casino. Unlimited bag limit on Filipinos. Coupons for baby-blood matzoh. Snuggies made from the skin of your enemies. And you get to borrow the Doof Wagon for your honeymoon.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:09:59pm

re: #93 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Snuggies made from the skin of your enemies.

Paper-thin, unfortunately.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:10:14pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:11:14pm
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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:13:07pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gee, it sounds like those protestors are not the Republicans those Republicans represent!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:14:33pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:14:53pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only thing missing is the guy dressed in the bear suit. Or Rage Furby. Or both.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:15:22pm
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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:16:44pm

re: #97 retired cynic

Gee, it sounds like those protestors are not the Republicans those Republicans represent!

Well, my representative is already on record saying he only represents Republicans, not his whole district.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:17:58pm

re: #100 Anymouse

That made me about as mad as listening to that dad gum dumpster fire of a ‘press conference.’

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:18:20pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

Probably because he just learned about MAD and the cost of using nuclear weapons

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Myron Falwell  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:18:25pm

re: #20 JordanRules
Welcome aboard! I jumped in on freaking election night after months of lurking. You’ll do well here… LGF is one of the best-run websites with a comment community that is second to none.

My avatar, Howie the Dinosaur. #LizardPride
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:19:02pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:19:36pm
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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:20:00pm

re: #105 Myron Falwell

Well, to be fair, Wonkette only has non-comments. /s

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Myron Falwell  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:20:00pm

re: #104 KGxvi

Probably because he just learned about MAD and the cost of using nuclear weapons

Trump probably thought that MAD was that magazine with Alfred E. Newman on the cover.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:23:08pm

re: #109 Myron Falwell

Trump probably thought that MAD was that magazine with Alfred E. Newman on the cover.

Don’t tell him about the human cost of using a nuclear weapon. He won’t care. Tell him how much they cost!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:23:19pm

re: #104 KGxvi

Probably because he just learned about MAD and the cost of using nuclear weapons

His quote:

“We’re a very powerful nuclear country and so are they,” Mr Trump said. “I’ve been briefed. And I can tell you one thing about a briefing that we’re allowed to say, because anybody that ever read the most basic book can say it, nuclear holocaust would be like no other.”

As if he’s ever actually read an actual book, basic or otherwise.

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:23:22pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

I watched the whole thing too, with liberal beer and bong breaks. Un-fucking-believable. The rate at which the press conference got worse was exponential. The last 20 minutes are excruciating.

This is the worst part, highlighted by Charles in a previous post.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:24:35pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chaffetz got caught with his pants down in Utah, and they’ll stop at nothing to protect his sorry ass.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:24:53pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

His quote:

As if he’s ever actually read an actual book, basic or otherwise.

I heard that answer live and said out loud in an otherwise empty car: how did you not already know this? You are a fucking crazy person

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:24:56pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

This is the worst part, highlighted by Charles in a previous post.

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Equally bad is how he treated the Jewish reporter.
Actually, it was worse because not only did he NOT answer the question, he told the reporter to sit down and be quiet.

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:26:09pm

Trump Russia Scandal Idiot Carter Page So Tired of Being Hate-Crimed by Hillary Clinton (goes to Wonkette)

Wonkette has no love for The Intercept (they are on the same page as Mr. Johnson here).

They disassemble an Intercept article by Carter Page, starting with this nugget:

Because it’s long-winded and weird — though The Intercept notes it doesn’t have any spelling or grammatical errors, THANKS MICROSOFT WORD SQUIGGLY CORRECTIONS! — we will be skimming it for the funniest parts. Let’s read this together while we back away slowly:

I am writing to request your urgent review of the severe election fraud in the form of disinformation, suppression of dissent, hate crimes and other extensive abuses led by members of Mrs. Hillary Clinton’s campaign and their political allies last year. As summarized below, the actions by the Clinton regime and their associates may be among the most extreme examples of human rights violations observed during any election in U.S. history since Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was similarly targeted for his anti-war views in the 1960’s. I believe the information provided below can significantly assist the ongoing overhaul of the U.S. Department of Justice, as you simultaneously begin to repair your Division amidst continued pressures to instead consider frivolous Russia-related accusations from last year.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:28:41pm

re: #116 Anymouse

OK. That’s the worst of the day. I’m done, and out until fresh horror tomorrow!

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Anymouse  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:29:21pm

I’m off to bed. G’night y’all.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:29:59pm

re: #100 Anymouse

If only the Washington Post had the New York Times’ editorial board and columnists. Instead the WaPo is saddled with the likes of this guy, Krauthammer, Chizzilla and Hugh Hewitt.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:35:09pm

Whelp, I’ve been on The Facebooks tonight, scheming with my fellow resistance fighters.

Our Rep is not holding any events during the break. None, nada, zip. So we’re going to hold one locally and invite him to speak to us as our special guest! We’ll even supply a lovely meal!

We’re getting a very formal invite printed up and will deliver it by hand to his office. We’re confident he will be very enthusiastic to meet his constituents. We’re all quite flexible on time or location, we know he’s quite busy so we’re happy to work with him.

But just in case he’s not able to swing it, someone already made a life size cardboard cutout of him we can use in his absence. We have a lot of questions.

Yeah. Local media has already been informed. They’ll be with us at every step.

I suggested we dressed his cardboard cutout in drag to protest our latest trans bathroom nonsense but was gently overridden. Pity, that.

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:37:09pm

re: #120 BlueGrl21

Good luck.

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prairiefire  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:37:15pm

Okay! So, I had an idea today would be exciting.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:38:53pm

re: #120 BlueGrl21

OK, I lied. I’m still here, and I applaud you!

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:39:52pm

re: #110 retired cynic

Don’t tell him about the human cost of using a nuclear weapon. He won’t care. Tell him how much they cost!

He still won’t care since he never pays for shit anyway.

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Skip Intro  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:39:53pm

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

Just speculation and click bait. Now if Mattis does go…holy shit.

If he does go, and I doubt that he will, he needs to use the Trump is crazy line. What does he have to lose?

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BlueGrl21  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:43:51pm

re: #121 freetoken

Good luck.

Oh, there’s no way he shows up to anything that isn’t a Republican fundraiser or event. He does not mix with the Commoners.

On a side note, when my husband’s basketball team won the Texas State Championship a few years ago, both Pete Olson and Ted Cruz congratulated him and the team from the floors of their respective Congressional branches. I have never seen the man so conflicted. “I just heard my name spoken on both the Senate and House floors, and as a political science teacher, that is cool as shit. But goddamn it.”

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:45:37pm

So much denial… on Facebook by those who think being “nice” and “quiet” is a virtue in the face of injustice.

Others are just in denial over their silent bigotry.

Sad.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:51:31pm

re: #127 freetoken

So much denial… on Facebook by those who think being “nice” and “quiet” is a virtue in the face of injustice.

Others are just in denial over their silent bigotry.

Sad.

I’ve noticed a lot less political commentary from Republicans on my feed. It’s almost how FB used to be

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:52:19pm

re: #116 Anymouse

Trump Russia Scandal Idiot Carter Page So Tired of Being Hate-Crimed by Hillary Clinton (goes to Wonkette)

Wonkette has no love for The Intercept (they are on the same page as Mr. Johnson here).

They disassemble an Intercept article by Carter Page, starting with this nugget:

So that was cute and all (Wonkette FTW!) but what’s not so funny is:

1 Chaffetz wanting to Grand Jury Clinton.
2 Trump constantly talking about Clinton.
3 Now this letter.

We’ve joked about dictatorships, banana republics, authoritarian regimes, but this makes me pretty uncomfortable. Of they try to jail a political opponent that’s a bridge we didn’t just cross but one that we burned to the ground.

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:52:46pm

re: #128 KGxvi

Now that they’ve “won” all of a sudden many have gone quiet.

Except for the die-hard anti-Muslim types, who are still fear-mongering over refugees.

Yes, my Facebook feed is slower now too.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:54:26pm

re: #120 BlueGrl21

Try tri-tipped hats with tea bags hanging off of them. Republicans seem to like that shit.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2017 • 9:59:47pm

Night all.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:16:37pm

Nightynight from the Fruit Bat Cave….

Nighty night….
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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:22:40pm
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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:25:21pm

re: #68 Scottish Dragon

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Trump: “Eat that meatloaf, fattie! Eat it! Eat it! Eat every fucking inch of it you fat fuck!”

Christie: (cowers, sobbing, curls into a ball. reaches out a pudgy hand and starts stuffing meatloaf into his face)

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:27:15pm

OK, this is just too good. As are the responses, such as “Two-word review. Shit. Sandwich.” “You can’t print that!”

I am seriously trying not to have a serious myocardial infarction these days. Good thing Cali legalized, or I’d be tying Darrel Issa up and taking a warm steamer right onto his lying face.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:35:29pm

Y’all seen this?

I have no way of telling if it’s real, but nothing about this administration would surprise me at this point. I know Trump is absolutely fixated on the 306 number.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:37:27pm

re: #93 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I love LGF, but getting on that Soros Money train would be sweet. I mean, the perks package:

All-expenses-paid annual vacation to the secret moon base casino. Unlimited bag limit on Filipinos. Coupons for baby-blood matzoh. Snuggies made from the skin of your enemies. And you get to borrow the Doof Wagon for your honeymoon.

The Doof Wagon? I heerd tell of such a conveyance. Upholstered in pure Naugatucky free-range tweekerhide (hawks, spits).

I am seriously in danger of becoming as unhinged as the President if this keeps up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:38:38pm

re: #137 wheat-dogg

Y’all seen this?

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I have no way of telling if it’s real, but nothing about this administration would surprise me at this point. I know Trump is absolutely fixated on the 306 number.

Jesus Christ I hope that’s shopped.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:41:02pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus Christ I hope that’s shopped.

It originated from one of those rogue WH accounts, so who the fuck knows?

democraticunderground.com

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:42:49pm

re: #140 wheat-dogg

I was about to link to the DU posting. I suspect this is fake, but who knows?

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:44:32pm

Who can know what is true anymore? We have reached the goal of the disruptors, who want to dismantle our society and replace it with their dystopia.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:47:43pm

re: #137 wheat-dogg

Y’all seen this?

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I have no way of telling if it’s real, but nothing about this administration would surprise me at this point. I know Trump is absolutely fixated on the 306 number.

It’s a joke making fun of his obsession and the fact that he can’t even get it right, the real number is 304.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2017 • 10:48:13pm

re: #142 freetoken

Who can know what is true anymore? We have reached the goal of the disruptors, who want to dismantle our society and replace it with their dystopia.

Confusion and obfuscation are tools of authoritarian regimes, as Sarah Kendzior has noted. If we can’t trust anyone is telling the truth, then in time we just shut it all out, because discerning the truth requires too much time and energy.

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austin_blue  Feb 16, 2017 • 11:03:08pm

Well, It’s been a fun day, hasn’t it? After watching the Drumpf presser I had to go to an emergency clinic to get my jaw rewired back into my head. Then, his pick to replace Flynn told him to fuck off and die.

These are good times! Trump’s admin is a well oiled machine!

The problem is, I haven’t been able to stop throwing up.

Night all. Sleep as well as you can.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2017 • 11:04:11pm

re: #144 wheat-dogg

Indeed. It’s exhausting. I think women and minorities will have an advantage in combating the fatigue and clarifying things. Marginalized groups have to exist within a world that requires more of their energy every day.

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2017 • 12:13:47am

I like my pages. My LGF pages. Ain’t no thing. Just some stuff, and why not?

Lizard folk, remember…

I’m just some fucking guy.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 12:31:06am

Trump’s aide Gorka accuses BBC of publishing fake news.

bbc.com

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 12:32:21am

What’s the pin Gorka is wearing?

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ckkatz  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:02:46am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

Doesn’t look like a Vitezi Rend signet. (The Hungarian Fascist Order of Heroes medal) Also doesn’t appear to be any variant of the Nazerine supported by his organization “The Center for Security Policy”.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:05:53am

The Economist is clearly disappointed in the Trump administration.

The axing of Michael Flynn reveals deep problems in Donald Trump’s government

It’s a long piece, overly polite, IMO. Here’s the concluding paragraph.

There is still time for Mr Trump to salvage his administration. But this will involve him not only changing tack on issues, as he often has in the past, but expanding his view of the government and reforming his belligerent and highly personalised style of leadership. The qualities that made him a successful property developer are not translating well to running the government. But Mr Trump shows no sign of recognising this. He does not even appear to recognise the shambles his government is in. Appearing alongside Israel’s prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, on February 15th (see article), he blamed Mr Flynn’s fall on the journalists who had reported his misdemeanours: “He’s been treated very, very unfairly by the media—as I call it, the fake media.”

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:07:09am

re: #150 ckkatz

Doesn’t look like a Vitezi Rend signet. (The Hungarian Fascist Order of Heroes medal) Also doesn’t appear to be any variant of the Nazerine supported by his organization “The Center for Security Policy”.

I remember people here talking about that signet, which I why I asked the question. The video is not clear enough for me to tell what it is.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:14:59am

I think the pin Gorka wears in the BBC interview is the same as this one from an appearance on Jake Tapper’s show.

Image: 170201174628-white-house-official-sebastian-gorka-the-lead-jake-tapper-00010805-exlarge-169.jpg

What’s this pin?
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:15:04am

Well, I survived my excursion to Lubbock and I’m safely back in Palo Pinto County and behind the bushy walls of the Conspiracy Compound. I never have had a high opinion of the place, but even I had forgotten just what a wretched hive of scum and villainy Lubbock really is. Either that or it has actually gotten worse in the 4 years I have been gone. I suspect the latter, since the triumph of Trump has given the Lubbock upper crusties the confidence to let their true nature show.

The much ridiculed physical environment of dry wind and utter flatness is not the problem. The problem is the garbage, the human feces, who run the place. They are Dominionists and degenerate Calvinists almost to the last grifter, believing firmly that your position in life (A.) is decided at birth and (B.) determines what moral standards, if any, you are obligated to uphold. The higher your status, the more “chosen” you are, the more exempt you are from the rules that bind peasants and lesser mortals.

Worse, it doesn’t take much for a Lubbockite to decide that he is “chosen” and therefore does not have the same rules as everyone else. Owning a two bit sweatshop personnel agency is more than enough.

Again, these people literally believe they have a license from God to lie, cheat, and threaten working people or anyone else who does not occupy a superior position (ie have more money). I know a Lubbock advertising rep who never made as much as 100K any year in his life who contemptuously refers to wage workers of all kinds as “peons” and “worms.” I threw him bodily out of my office a few years ago, since, obviously, he is a low life and a worm to me.

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Needless to say, they are all Trump supporters. Equally needless to say, I step on them very hard whenever I have the chance. These are the kind of people who feed revolutions, violent ones. People like them were on the cutting edge in France, of the guillotine, that is. It needs to happen again.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:18:43am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel

People who are 100% dead sure they are always correct are dangerous people. See which, our current president.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:18:53am

re: #151 wheat-dogg

The Economist is clearly disappointed in the Trump administration.

The axing of Michael Flynn reveals deep problems in Donald Trump’s government

It’s a long piece, overly polite, IMO. Here’s the concluding paragraph.

The simplest way to read it? The Economist is saying “Stop rocking the fucking boat, Donny!”

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:22:20am

re: #156 Targetpractice

The simplest way to read it? The Economist is saying “Stop rocking the fucking boat, Donny!”

Yup. They want someone who will be predictable and of course beneficial to world business. Trump is proving to be neither.

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ckkatz  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:27:12am

(Sorry, had to go feed the cat)

Here’s the Vitezi Rend.
en.wikipedia.org
austro-hungarian-army.co.uk

His organization also promotes a Nazarine pin.(Supposed to be in solidarity with Levant Christians.)

He’s also the guy caught trying to bring a pistol onto a plane at National Airport last year.

And, if I remember correctly, was the one who tried to start an outcry over Tim Kaine’s Blue Star Flag lapel pin.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:29:48am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:30:46am

Oh, so it was Gorka who was cited for trying to board a plane with a 9mm handgun in his carry on. en.wikipedia.org

Also, I see there were some questions about plagiarism. He also did not complete a degree program at Harvard, so he could for the Rand Corp., which he left a year later.

He also seems to be one of those conservatives who likes to exaggerate his achievements, though I have to say, he’s got quite an impressive resume already.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:30:59am

re: #157 wheat-dogg

Yup. They want someone who will be predictable and of course beneficial to world business. Trump is proving to be neither.

That’s why the business world loved the idea of him being in office, because they thought as a businessman he’d at least know that growing the economy requires stability and a functioning gov’t. And yet he’s provided neither, he’s throwing everything into turmoil and it’s harshing a lot of people’s mellows.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:35:02am

re: #161 Targetpractice

That’s why the business world loved the idea of him being in office, because they thought as a businessman he’d at least know that growing the economy requires stability and a functioning gov’t. And yet he’s provided neither, he’s throwing everything into turmoil and it’s harshing a lot of people’s mellows.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of Trump’s history as a businessman would be foolish to expect he could create a stable, functioning, successful government. They were betting on the nag, a horse with one bad eye and a split hoof.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:35:18am

re: #161 Targetpractice

I would think they’d know better (the business press at least) about how he’s not really a good business man or stable.

Taxes and de-regulation via GOP control was risky, but they were willing to go for it. Now it’s looking like a horrible bet.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:37:04am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

People who are 100% dead sure they are always correct are dangerous people. See which, our current president.

It goes beyond that. If you are “chosen,” you don’t have to be correct.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:40:10am

Facebook Post

Never imagined that Bryce Reeves would be a worse wingnut than Dick Fucking Black.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:50:52am

re: #159 William Lewis

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ckkatz  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:50:59am

re: #153 wheat-dogg

Aha!
Looks like a Whitehouse Lapel pin. Sort of like this:
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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:54:36am

re: #167 ckkatz

Aha!
Looks like a Whitehouse Lapel pin. Sort of like this:
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Yes, I’m sure you’re right. Thanks.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:56:00am

Police thuggery watch, Prince George’s County:

Two Prince George’s County police officers are facing charges for two separate incidents that the state’s attorney says “[betray] the public’s trust.”

On Thursday, a grand jury indicted both Officer William Diaz and County Police Corporal George Merkel.

Diaz was assigned to a task force that primarily handled prostitution and other offenses and on multiple occasions, he would warn a prostitute where it was conducting operations, allowing her to avoid arrest, said Prince George’s County State’s Attorney Angela Alsobrooks in a news release. Also, investigators found that at least two times, Diaz solicited a prostitute for sex while he was on duty.

Diaz, who joined the force in 2008, was indicted on a charge of misconduct in office, obstructing and hindering a police investigation. Diaz was suspended in April 2016.

Merkel, who has been with the department for about 14 years, was indicted on charges that he assaulted a homeless woman in Lanham, Maryland, on Sept. 22, 2016.

Merkel was on a routine patrol when he saw a homeless woman, reported it to dispatch and approached her on foot. Two other responding officers reported they saw Merkel yelling and shouting expletives at the woman, lift her to her feet by her ears and hit her on the head with an open hand, the state’s attorney said in a news release.

The department suspended Merkel in October 2016.

wtop.com

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:56:31am

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

In case 166 is to me, I’m getting a “Not addressed to you” error.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 1:58:27am

re: #170 William Lewis

In case 166 is to me, I’m getting a “Not addressed to you” error.

Try it now. I’m still a little fuzzy on this kind of thing.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:06:54am

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:11:39am

re: #172 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:33:38am

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:53:16am
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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:58:01am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

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But that’s OKIYAAR, right?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:29am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:56am

re: #176 William Lewis

But that’s OKIYAAR, right?

OK if you’re a white man, at least.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:14:31am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:18:27am

Uh…you go on the radio show of Trump’s Virginia Chairman to denounce Trump? Why give Fredericks the validation?

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:24:56am

Wow he really was some kind of idiot savant back in the day, predicting the future so accurately.

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Teukka  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:27:40am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Wow he really was some kind of idiot savant back in the day, predicting the future so accurately.

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For a while there, I thought this was a fresh tweet, and thought “Ah, he finally lost his marbles…”

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:27:59am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Kind of like Cassandra, she predicted disasters and was doomed to have nobody listen to her…

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:32:55am

re: #20 JordanRules

Welcome hatchling. I think you’ll do just fine. (said in a ZeFrank voice)

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:48:24am
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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:49:12am
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Ming5000  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:07:11am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow! Thank you Brian Williams!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:25:41am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:47:16am

April Ryan is nothing but a class act.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:49:08am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:53:12am

re: #188 Dr. Matt

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He also claimed foreign policy was a mess. In reality, our reputation worldwide (with a few exceptions) was the highest in decades. In his first week, Trump destroyed most of that reputation with his unscripted, unmonitored calls with foreign leaders, and his obvious ignorance of world affairs.

Since Trump always projects, I expect the markets to tank, the dollar to weaken, and unemployment to rise — giving us the mess he says he was left with.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:22:13am

re: #146 JordanRules

Indeed. It’s exhausting. I think women and minorities will have an advantage in combating the fatigue and clarifying things. Marginalized groups have to exist within a world that requires more of their energy every day.

If you have friends or acquaintances that are among the marginalized, engage with them. Their POV will help.

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jeffreyw  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:26:44am

Puppies!

Imgur
Good morning!

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:28:15am

re: #146 JordanRules

Indeed. It’s exhausting. I think women and minorities will have an advantage in combating the fatigue and clarifying things. Marginalized groups have to exist within a world that requires more of their energy every day.

The disabled.

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weave  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:29:31am

This is what a real White House scandal looks like.

Seven years ago today. Never forget.

Wonkette: Black Man Puts His Feet On Desk, Wingnuts Furious

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:30:29am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

re: #176 William Lewis

Lumpy once took all the “I”s out of a public appearance by President Obama (it probably was in the Cleveland region IIRC) and set them to Toby Fucking Keith’s “Wanna Talk About Me.”

Bear in mind that President Obama never used “I” to any sort of extent that Ill Douche did, but again, IOKIYAR.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:32:10am

re: #186 Kragar

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Replacement for the ACA: you’re on your own.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:33:46am

re: #193 jeffreyw

Puppies!

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Good morning!

Heh…… Which ones?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:33:59am

re: #195 weave

This is what a real White House scandal looks like.

Seven years ago today. Never forget.

Wonkette: Black Man Puts His Feet On Desk, Wingnuts Furious

Don’t forget, Mustardgate, Arugulaghazi

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:36:23am

re: #20 JordanRules

Welcome aboard.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:38:46am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:39:09am

re: #196 Myron Falwell

Lumpy once took all the “I”s out of a public appearance by President Obama (it probably was in the Cleveland region IIRC) and set them to Toby Fucking Keith’s “Wanna Talk About Me.”

Bear in mind that President Obama never used “I” to any sort of extent that Ill Douche did, but again, IOKIYAR.

As said Trump really is everything they said about Obama.

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Franklin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:39:59am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t forget, Mustardgate, Arugulaghazi

Tansuitgate

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:42:43am

Or Healthygate, the on going scandal of Mrs. Obama’s promoting healthy eating for children at the expense of processed foods.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:43:58am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Or Healthygate, the on going scandal of Mrs. Obama’s promoting healthy eating for children at the expense of processed foods.

I’m sure Melania will eventually be praised for showing kids the joys of retail therapy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:45:12am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Or Healthygate, the on going scandal of Mrs. Obama’s promoting healthy eating for children at the expense of processed foods.

Or Fake News Bullshit Himalayas, full of Birth Certificate, Michelle is transgender, Marshall Davis is Obama’s Real Father, Muslim Brotherhood, Obama is Gay-Married to a Muslim

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:45:16am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:45:29am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Or Healthygate, the on going scandal of Mrs. Obama’s promoting healthy eating for children at the expense of processed foods.

Or Christi’s meatloaf.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:47:08am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:48:07am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

Or Fake News Bullshit Himalayas, full of Birth Certificate, Michelle is transgender, Marshall Davis is Obama’s Real Father, Muslim Brotherhood, Obama is Gay-Married to a Muslim

Of course, the problem with the Marshall Davis theory was that it contradicted the Birther theory and that’s why it never caught on!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:49:13am

re: #20 JordanRules

Welcome!

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Lupin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:49:43am

They WILL lock you up. Yes, I’m talking about you, here.

The Guardian

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:50:04am

Predictably, today’s newspaper headlines cater to DT’s fondest wishes:

Bmore Sun: Trump…Takes on the Press

NYT: Aggrieved President Stands Up for Himself

Sigh.

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Franklin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:50:16am

Can’t wait for my new shirt to arrive

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:50:26am

re: #210 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, the problem with the Marshall Davis theory was that it contradicted the Birther theory and that’s why it never caught on!

Oh and the fake Anne Dunham Porno Photoshop, the Columbia Foreign Student ID Photoshop

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:52:11am

re: #207 darthstar

Holy subtweet, Batman.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:52:37am

re: #210 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, the problem with the Marshall Davis theory was that it contradicted the Birther theory and that’s why it never caught on!

I remember one time Geller tried pushing that Malcolm X was Obama’s father.

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Lupin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:53:28am

To the folks on the far right there are no principles: they will give away country, religion, the Constitution, anything they claim to hold dear, you name it, they will do a 180 and betray it as long as they can get rid of us.

Frankly at this point I think extermination is their only agenda.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:53:36am

re: #194 Sherlock Hound

The disabled.

Yup. And don’t forget the LGBT and the First Nations.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:53:37am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and the fake Anne Dunham Porno Photoshop, the Columbia Foreign Student ID Photoshop

The way they went after his mother was so goddamn disgraceful.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:55:29am

re: #218 Lupin

To the folks on the far right there are no principles: they will give away country, religion, the Constitution, anything they claim to hold dear, you name it, they will do a 180 and betray it as long as they can get rid of us.

Frankly at this point I think extermination is their only agenda.

That was the prevailing mindset behind the Jacobins in 1790s France. In the end, they murdered a shitton of people before the survivors united and murdered off the Jacobins.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:55:44am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

They pushed the idea that any half-way famous black person that could be described to white people as scary or evil was Obama’s father, and since a lot of white people think evil is genetic (or magical), and therefore a heritable character trait…

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:56:25am

Off-Topic:

It would appear for the last couple days Huffington Post has both:

a) discontinued its comments entirely
b) started with auto-playing video of articles or advertisements.

What little I read over there came to a screeching halt now. (I occasionally liked the comments, but auto-play anything is a drag on my Internet service.)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:56:42am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

RWNJ will complain about this of course, claiming they never counted all of Obama’s “I’s”, evidence be damned.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:57:28am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

The way they went after his mother was so goddamn disgraceful.

The message was obvious: a white woman married to a black man must be a prostitute.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:58:36am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

Predictably, today’s newspaper headlines cater to DT’s fondest wishes:

Bmore Sun: Trump…Takes on the Press

NYT: Aggrieved President Stands Up for Himself

Sigh.

Couldn’t say:

Trump has psychotic break at Press Conference!!
Trump has meltdown before nationwide audience!

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I remember one time Geller tried pushing that Malcolm X was Obama’s father.

Again, couldn’t catch on because it contradicted the Birther theory!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:59:16am

I’ll say it again Trump actually being elected may be what damages the GOP brand. If Clinton had become President, they’d just wash their hands and someone bland like Kasich would be the nominee in 2020 but now they actually have Trump as President.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:00:29am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

The message was obvious: a white woman married to a black man must be a prostitute.

Yep

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:02:21am

re: #218 Lupin

To the folks on the far right there are no principles: they will give away country, religion, the Constitution, anything they claim to hold dear, you name it, they will do a 180 and betray it as long as they can get rid of us.

Frankly at this point I think extermination is their only agenda.

It’s not just the far right that lacks principles — the Republican establishment will give away everything just to give the richest .1% a large tax cut.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:02:25am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

The message was obvious: a white woman married to a black man must be a prostitute.

Or a “race traitor.”

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:06:11am

re: #218 Lupin

To the folks on the far right there are no principles: they will give away country, religion, the Constitution, anything they claim to hold dear, you name it, they will do a 180 and betray it as long as they can get rid of us.

Frankly at this point I think extermination is their only agenda.

This ought to give us all an idea of what 1850s America was like.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:06:55am

One more comment on last night’s “Day without immigrants” impact…driving around Half Moon Bay and seeing nearly every eatery closed was really jaw dropping. Probably a shitty night to be a tourist with a hungry family in tow. The one restaurant that was open (Besides the good-bad Chinese place on the highway) was literally packed with food refugees. We walked into the bar, I asked one guy to move over so we could have two seats together, and my wife said, “The service is going to suck because it’s so crowded…let’s just go home.” and we turned to leave as two women came in and eagerly asked if we were giving up our seats.

We made the right decision.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:07:04am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

Predictably, today’s newspaper headlines cater to DT’s fondest wishes:

Bmore Sun: Trump…Takes on the Press

NYT: Aggrieved President Stands Up for Himself

Sigh.

My paper:

Priebus Says President Nailed Press Conference (Goes to the Scottsbluff NE Star-Herald

President Donald Trump’s chief of staff, Reince Priebus (ryns PREE’-bus), is praising Trump’s handling of his news conference.

Priebus tells Fox News that Trump is a great “salesman” and that “there’s no person better to speak for President Trump than President Trump.” He says Thursday’s news conference “was an effective way to sum up what his message was yesterday and he did a fantastic job.”

Preibus also blasted recent media reports as “totally fake” or “grossly overstated.”

Priebus says there’s a chance reporters are making up the news entirely or that there are some “bad actors” or “holdovers” in the intelligence community spreading false claims.

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jeffreyw  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:07:29am

re: #198 Dave In Austin

All of them, Dave!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:09:03am
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:10:51am

re: #137 wheat-dogg

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok, it’s gone. What was it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:12:14am

re: #233 Anymouse

My paper:

Priebus Says President Nailed Press Conference (Goes to the Scottsbluff NE Star-Herald

He is RNC PR BS after all.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:12:44am

re: #236 MsJ

It was a letter telling staff to greet Trump as “306, Mr. President.”

ETA: Presumed to be fake though

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:15:34am

re: #233 Anymouse

Well, Preibus is a totally non-biased source of information.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:17:00am

re: #232 darthstar

People don’t even have a clue how much of the nation relies on immigrants, legal or otherwise to do the jobs white Americans wont do. You know, like prepare your food in kitchens for sub-subsistence wages. Or pick your food. Basic stuff.

And Trump’s crackdown still wont clear the nation of the threatening illegal aliens for 270+ years at this rate. Why? Because 700 a week when you’re dealing with 10 million here who have overstayed visas is a drop in the bucket. Heck, Obama deported more than that, without engaging in all of the sleazy tactics we’re hearing about.

But that’s just it, isn’t it. Trump’s more concerned about appearances and taking credit than actually doing stuff. Show that he’s doing a lot of stuff, not that a lot of stuff is done.

That’s why his claims that he’s done more than his predecessors in first month is laughable and worrying all the same. His supporters buy his BS, even when there isn’t a fact to be spotted within 100 miles of the West Wing.

He fired Flynn, but the reports that he was compromised and talking to the Russians were fake news (they weren’t). So, if it was bogus, why fire him? Oh, he lied to someone? Who? Pence? You? But Trump just said that if he hadn’t talked to the Russians, Trump would have asked him to. Ayep. Trump isn’t so good at this presidenting thing.

Trump should just start saying I am Trump to everything, because that’d make so much more sense. There’d be a logical consistency there too.

Examples:
Q: Are you concerned about anti Semitism in US?
A: I am Trump

Q: What will you do about Obamacare?
A: I am Trump

See… this is how he answers everything. And his supporters love this shit. Even the GOP in Congress are buying this crap, mostly because they see that their voters are buying this shitshow, even as every day brings new revelations that the administration is thoroughly compromised by the Russians (they can, indeed, buy Trump at wholesale).

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:17:10am
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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:17:16am
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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:18:17am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

But his daughter married a Jew! Now if Tiffany would only marry a black guy he could also claim he’s not racist.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:18:36am

re: #241 darthstar

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:18:37am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:19:25am

re: #241 darthstar

General Keith Kellogg, who I have known for a long time, is very much in play for NSA - as are three others.

— Donald J. Trump

Now, don’t go blowing it by saying you’ve known the potential nominee for a long time. We’d all feel better with someone who won’t toady to you.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:19:52am

re: #244 lawhawk

At least when Tony the Tiger says “Grrreat!” it sounds believable.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:19:52am

re: #244 lawhawk

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I hear Colonel Mustard may get a job too.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:21:18am

re: #236 MsJ

Ok, it’s gone. What was it?

It was a purported memo from Bannon dictating that WH staff had to address POTUS with “306.” You can see the image at Democratic Underground. Randy Prine deleted his tweet, because I figure he reckons it’s a fake memo.

Image: C4zZBA7VcAAWjWH.jpg

democraticunderground.com

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:21:36am
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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:22:08am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:22:54am

re: #251 darthstar

Ha! I tweeted the same correction.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:24:34am

re: #250 Anymouse

Thank you for all of the nice statements on the Press Conference yesterday. Rush Limbaugh said one of greatest ever. Fake media not happy!

— Donald J. Trump

This guy….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:24:52am

re: #250 Anymouse

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Yeah Rush Limbaugh’s praise, that’s what the POTUS should be looking for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:25:32am

re: #253 Sir John Barron

This guy….

Alex Jones, Limbaugh, Hoft, and Breitbart, all reputable news sources obviously. All also repeatedly praise him without criticism either.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:26:20am
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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:28:48am
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:29:22am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Alex Jones, Limbaugh, Hoft, and Breitbart, all reputable news sources obviously. All also repeatedly praise him without criticism either.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:35:30am
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coin operated  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:36:47am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

Although I love the meme, Snopes is calling BS.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:37:55am

Don’t know if anyone posted about this yesterday, but since I don’t see it in the pages list I’m going to assume not. If I’m wrong, sorry for the repetition:

Gotta run. BBL

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:39:29am

So…I’m removing what is apparently a faulty switch in my kitchen…the blue arcs are supposed to be there, right?

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:40:02am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:40:58am

re: #260 coin operated

Although I love the meme, Snopes is calling BS.

Nixon didn’t really say that.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:42:05am

Ruh roh:

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:43:52am

Hey, even Shep Smith at Fox News is asking questions:

Russia hacked the DNC. Trump people were on phone with Russians the very same day. Trump was calling on Russia to hack Clinton. Asking for investigation into all this isn’t fake news. It’s a basic responsibility to govern and to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:45:52am

re: #266 lawhawk

Hey, even Shep Smith at Fox News is asking questions:

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Russia hacked the DNC. Trump people were on phone with Russians the very same day. Trump was calling on Russia to hack Clinton. Asking for investigation into all this isn’t fake news. It’s a basic responsibility to govern and to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic.

Shep Smith actually has some integrity. More than you can say about most people who get on camera at FNC.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:47:49am

re: #266 lawhawk

Hey, even Shep Smith at Fox News is asking questions:

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Russia hacked the DNC. Trump people were on phone with Russians the very same day. Trump was calling on Russia to hack Clinton. Asking for investigation into all this isn’t fake news. It’s a basic responsibility to govern and to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic.

In fact, there’s quite a few Republicans who want answers, just not the ones in the party leadership roles, like McConnell and Ryan. I suspect the top guys know their grand plan to undo the Obama legacy will be toast once those answers are found, because Trump and most of his staff will be implicated and forced to resign. Plus, the future of the party will be at risk. Not that it isn’t now.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:50:14am

re: #265 Anymouse

Ruh roh:

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Dude’s head looks misshapen.

Bad angle, photoshop, or…?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:51:34am

re: #269 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Dude’s head looks misshapen.

Bad angle, photoshop, or…?

He’s got a weird shaped head.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:52:32am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

No, he doesn’t, he occasionally appears to have some integrity because it occasionally suits Fox to actually appear to be a news channel. He’s actually worse than people like O’Reilly or Hannity because of that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:54:22am

re: #271 I cannot.

No, he doesn’t, he occasionally appears to have some integrity because it occasionally suits Fox to actually appear to be a news channel. He’s actually worse than people like O’Reilly or Hannity because of that.

Fair point.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:57:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:58:59am

So this is being Tweeted all over #TheResistance hashtag, telling people not to protest the Florida MAGA rally because IT’S A TRAP

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:01:14am

re: #271 I cannot.

No, he doesn’t, he occasionally appears to have some integrity because it occasionally suits Fox to actually appear to be a news channel. He’s actually worse than people like O’Reilly or Hannity because of that.

That’s true. Remember when he sounded so sane and responsible when he and Geraldo were in New Orleans after Katrina?

Shep gets to be the liberal conscience of FNC, and once we all ooh and aah at how righteous he is he’ll go back to being just another yapping head.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:01:24am

In the Kentucky Senate today:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:02:16am

re: #273 darthstar

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Your mother literally does a fine job doing that on her own, Bristol without my help.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:02:46am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:02:51am

re: #275 makeitstop

That’s true. Remember when he sounded so sane and responsible when he and Geraldo were in New Orleans after Katrina?

Shep gets to be the liberal conscience of FNC, and once we all ooh and aah at how righteous he is he’ll go back to being just another yapping head.

You guys do have a point.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:03:07am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

It’s being held on an airport to prevent protest crowds from appearing. It’s all about controlling the venue and the image Bannon/Trump are trying to convey. They need to show Trump in charge with adoring crowds, but the reality is that they’re under siege from all angles because their admin is thoroughly compromised by impropriety, illegality, and unethical and amoral people pushing an extremist agenda with the consent of the GOP leadership.

The RussiaTrump isn’t going away because Flynn was fired. That’s just the opening salvo.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:03:25am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

So this is being Tweeted all over #TheResistance hashtag, telling people not to protest the Florida MAGA rally because IT’S A TRAP

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How do we know the people saying NOT to protest aren’t Trump puppets?

/tinfoilhat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:04:36am
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:04:39am

re: #271 I cannot.

Yeah, Shep seems to do this at least once each time Fox’s crazy goes from 11 to 12 then he returns to his moderate crazy enabler self. Not surprised or particularly impressed any longer after I got caught up the first few times he did it and then quickly returned to form.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:05:17am

re: #283 JordanRules

Yeah, Shep seems to do this at least once each time Fox’s crazy goes from 11 to 12 then he returns to his moderate crazy enabler self. Not surprised or particularly impressed any longer after I got caught up the first few times he did it and then quickly returned to form.

I must confess I don’t really pay attention to Shep that much. Or FNC in general.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:05:48am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully this becomes another scandal because this is really really fucked up.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:06:36am

re: #281 Timothy Watson

How do we know the people saying NOT to protest aren’t Trump puppets?

/tinfoilhat

All flags are false.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:08:55am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah but tea party groups got delayed tax exemption status because Obama IRS SCANDAL!!!!

//

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:09:49am

Link to SPLC annual report, noting hate group increases, particularly anti-Muslim:

donate.splcenter.org

(Despite hotlink, does not go to donation form.)

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Lupin  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:12:12am

I’m old enough t remember when “fake news” was called “propaganda”.

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ausador  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:13:24am

re: #236 MsJ

re: #238 I cannot.

Pretty much definitely fake since the “memo” has no White House letterhead in the center or seal in the upper left hand corner.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:15:11am

re: #289 Lupin

I’m old enough t remember when “fake news” was called “propaganda”.

Old enough to remember when propaganda was a good thing.

vatican.va

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:15:24am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

I must confess I don’t really pay attention to Shep that much. Or FNC in general.

Very wise! If we survive this, decades on, some good history will likely be written about how FNC played a huge role in America’s decline.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:16:20am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:17:13am

There’s a reason why Sheppard Smith was removed from Fox “News” 7pm hour in spite of whatever ratings he had.

I’m not defending him, BTW. But they willfully replaced his moderate crazy with even more crazy (Greta, Tucker, et al). So his moderate crazy — like yesterday’s statement — comes as a shock to the system.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:17:31am

JFC…

After defending Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee and calling for the ouster of an African-American official who had posted offensive tweets about women and white people, Republican gubernatorial candidate Corey Stewart sat and listened Thursday as his newfound allies explained their belief that America should welcome immigrants from Western countries but keep out people from the Middle East.

Stewart’s host for the event in downtown Charlottesville was Unity & Security for America, a newly formed right-wing group that describes its mission as “defending Western Civilization including its history, culture and peoples while utterly dismantling Cultural Marxism.”

Next to that credo on the group’s website is an image of a frog and the phrase “Kek is with us,” a reference to a frog-headed Egyptian deity of chaos and darkness that’s become a satirical godhead for devotees of the alt-right, the loosely defined far-right movement linked to white nationalism and the idea that white identity is under attack by liberals and multiculturalism.

richmond.com

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:18:28am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, that’s going to go over like napalm on a five-alarm fire.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:19:50am

re: #292 JordanRules

Very wise! If we survive this, decades on, some good history will likely be written about how FNC played a huge role in America’s decline.

It’s such a disgraceful network.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:20:06am

re: #289 Lupin

I’m old enough t remember when “fake news” was called “propaganda”.

I’m old enough to remember when it was called agitprop.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:20:56am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:21:17am

re: #298 Anymouse

I’m old enough to remember when it was called agitprop.

Puppets—yuuuge puppets.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:21:24am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart

Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.

I guess the White House counsel was absent the day the prof covered Posse Comitatus?
/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:21:26am

re: #295 Timothy Watson

JFC…

richmond.com

But remember Timothy, they’re just opposed to illegal immigration. // I really hope Stewart is the Republican nominee, I’m looking forward to helping Perriello or Northam destroy that hateful piece of shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:21:44am
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bws58  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:22:01am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka
That rally is 1 1/2 miles from my house, there is an announced first amendment zone outside the airport, so I would say this could happen….

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:23:28am

re: #301 makeitstop

I guess the White House counsel was absent the day the prof covered Posse Comitatus?
/

Patriotish acts weakened that, besides we’ll be under a state of emergency.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:23:29am

re: #295 Timothy Watson

Next to that credo on the group’s website is an image of a frog and the phrase “Kek is with us,” a reference to a frog-headed Egyptian deity of chaos and darkness that’s become a satirical godhead for devotees of the alt-right

WTFITS?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:23:48am

re: #301 makeitstop

I guess the White House counsel was absent the day the prof covered Posse Comitatus?
/

Yeah, I really don’t think ANG troop can be used for police action if federalized, unless it’s in riotous situations
If still under state control sure, but not federal

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:24:14am

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:24:19am

re: #306 Sir John Barron

WTFITS?

The far right has always been a bit weird that way. See Himmiler’s weird obsession with the Occult.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:24:54am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, I really don’t think ANG troop can be used for police action if federalized, unless it’s in riotous situations
If still under state control sure, but not federal

Mattis can provide the troops, Bannon will provide the riots.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:24:58am

re: #301 makeitstop

I guess the White House counsel was absent the day the prof covered Posse Comitatus?
/

Thank the GW Bush administration for changing that.

In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[7]

Section 1076 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies.” It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces… to… restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition… the President determines that… domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order… or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such… a condition… so hinders the execution of the laws… that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law… or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[8]
en.wikipedia.org

All the president has to do is declare public order has broken down as noted above.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:25:00am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, the Star endured several years of Rob Ford.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:25:17am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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We already have some of the lowest taxes in the Western world, Paul. Stop fucking lying, you Ayn Rand worshipping piece of crap.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:26:25am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:27:11am

A little more depth to the story

A draft memo obtained by The Associated Press outlines a Trump administration proposal under consideration to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants. Millions of those who would be affected in 11 states live nowhere near the Mexico border.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. If the proposal is implemented, governors in the affected states would have final approval on whether troops under their control participate.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:27:41am

So it’s possible the Constitution was a suicide note after all.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:27:59am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:28:05am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart

A little more depth to the story

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That’s terrifying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:28:26am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:28:27am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:28:45am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

So it’s possible the Constitution was a suicide note after all.

If it’s not upheld, then it’s as worthless as the parchment paper it was written on.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:28:51am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

Wonder where they plan to detain and process all of the people if this kicks off? This is scarier each day. It ramps up every single damn day.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:30:10am

re: #322 JordanRules

Wonder where they plan to detain and process all of the people if this kicks off? This is scarier each day. It ramps up every single damn day.

Well, since bullets are cheaper than concentration camps… .

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:30:33am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

As Matt Haze said earlier, this almost reeks of desperation to distract and win back the narrative.

Only… it’s not working.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:30:39am

We have a soccer stadium gap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:31:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:32:14am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:34:10am
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:35:49am

re: #314 Myron Falwell

Not just energize his base, they want to terrorize his enemies. (commonly known as the majority of Americans)

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:36:08am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

The AP says they have a document.

It was just an idle daydream…”

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:36:20am

I’m guessing we need to start carrying our passports in our car, since that is the only document that actually proves we are citizens (or allows us out of the country - dealer’s choice).

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:36:32am

re: #322 JordanRules

Wonder where they plan to detain and process all of the people if this kicks off? This is scarier each day. It ramps up every single damn day.

They are in the Guard on a voluntary basis.

For perspective, the Kent State massacre was just one troop (I believe the one stationed just northwest of Sandusky). And they lost control of the situation before opening fire and murdering four and paralyzing several others.

Ordering the Guard to be his personal MAGAguard in every nook and cranny of this country is fucking impossible.

It’s absolutely folly, only floated because he needs to throw a bone to his base… a bone that is nothing but vaporware.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:37:08am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

WH says AP report on massive National Guard deportation force is false. Anything like it would be unprecedented theintercept.com pic.twitter.com

— Glenn Greenwald

GG must not know who the president is.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:37:33am

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I bet you that was someone like Cruz. I may not like Lindsay Graham but I don’t think Lindsay would be afraid to be quoted on that.

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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:38:00am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:38:15am

re: #332 Myron Falwell

They are in the Guard on a voluntary basis.

For perspective, the Kent State massacre was just one troop (I believe the one stationed just northwest of Sandusky). And they lost control of the situation before opening fire and murdering four and paralyzing several others.

Ordering the Guard to be his personal MAGAguard in every nook and cranny of this country is fucking impossible.

It’s absolutely folly, only floated because he needs to throw a bone to his base… a bone that is nothing but vaporware.

Fortunately, a good portion of the active and reserve components are “the wrong kind of people” and their children.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:38:19am

You have got to try the meatloaf. It is to die for.

Trump to Christie this week.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:38:21am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

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And you’d probably find someway to blame the Democrats for it, Glenn because you have a Texas sized twig in your asshole about the Democrats.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:38:51am

re: #332 Myron Falwell

They are in the Guard on a voluntary basis.

For perspective, the Kent State massacre was just one troop (I believe the one stationed just northwest of Sandusky). And they lost control of the situation before opening fire and murdering four and paralyzing several others.

Ordering the Guard to be his personal MAGAguard in every nook and cranny of this country is fucking impossible.

It’s absolutely folly, only floated because he needs to throw a bone to his base… a bone that is nothing but vaporware.

However, the military is suborned to the civilian government. If the Guard were nationalised, they would then be subject to the Federal government.

I wouldn’t hang my hopes on a mutiny within the National Guard of significant enough size to be meaningful.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:39:18am

re: #329 JordanRules

Not just energize his base, they want to terrorize his enemies. (commonly known as the majority of Americans)

I’m far more furious and indignant than terrified.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:39:21am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

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And he links to a story that’s a year and a half old?

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:39:56am

re: #337 lawhawk

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You have got to try the meatloaf. It is to die for.

Trump to Christie this week.

Meatloaf = best medium for polonium?
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:40:29am

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:40:32am

re: #342 makeitstop

Meatloaf = best medium for polonium?
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Christie would eat anything for love.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:41:02am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:41:34am

re: #339 Anymouse

However, the military is suborned to the civilian government. If the Guard were nationalised, they would then be subject to the Federal government.

I wouldn’t hang my hopes on a mutiny within the National Guard of significant enough size to be meaningful.

It only depends on how quickly the Trump Regime loses control. And I don’t see them as being able to maintain control of anything.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:42:55am

re: #75 jaunte

Why doesn’t Christie just decline the invitation?

Uh, free meatloaf, hello!?!!?!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:43:06am

re: #344 Decatur Deb

Christie would eat anything for love.

Heh, two out of three ain’t bad. (Sorry, but that response came to me like a bat out of hell.)

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:43:19am
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:43:47am

re: #332 Myron Falwell

No doubt, but just ramping up the rhetoric like this is scary and dangerous. Lone wolves and small packs get hungrier and pissed if they see ‘liberal red tape’ holding their movement back.

Also interesting to note how historical and current institutional breakdowns feed my particular concerns.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:43:53am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:44:05am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

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I don’t believe anything that comes from this administration. I’m not saying the AP story is 100% accurate, I’m saying I can believe this until shown otherwise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:44:12am

The Kremlin has told state-sponsored media outlets to pull back in its positive coverage of President Donald Trump, Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

While Kremlin spokesperson Dmitri Peskov declined to comment, saying this was an internal American matter, and other Russian lawmakers decried Russophobia, Russian state-backed media outlet Sputnik ran an article wondering if Moscow could ever trust Washington again.

The shift comes after Michael Flynn resigned Monday as Trump’s national security advisor, following revelations that he’d discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador to the United States back in December and then lied about it. Also, contrary to claims by Press Secretary Sean Spicer, Russian officials had been in touch with Trump aides over the course of the campaign.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:44:13am

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Thanks, I was going by pure memory there. 🙂

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:44:49am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, Trump’s going to be pissed. But this was all part of Putin’s game anyhow.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:44:53am

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

I was expecting it was fake until Spicer denied it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:45:28am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

I was expecting it was fake until Spicer denied it.

Spicer: President Trump has never even heard of the Natoinal Guard. //

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:45:38am

re: #354 Myron Falwell

Thanks, I was going by pure memory there. 🙂

I actually deleted the post, misconstrued your post initially

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:45:58am

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

This is not true. DHS also confirms it is 100% false

— Sean Spicer

Period.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:47:22am

re: #331 Anymouse

I’m guessing we need to start carrying our passports in our car, since that is the only document that actually proves we are citizens (or allows us out of the country - dealer’s choice).

PROVE IT’S NOT A FAKE PASSPORT!!!11!!!

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:48:39am

re: #346 Myron Falwell

It only depends on how quickly the Trump Regime loses control. And I don’t see them as being able to maintain control of anything.

Which Republicans are trying to oust him again?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:49:33am

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

Now he’s excited his base. Anything less than a fully mobilized national guard to round up the illegals will be a let down.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:49:53am
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:50:14am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

PROVE IT’S NOT A FAKE PASSPORT!!!11!!!

Well, there’s that. Plus I have those pesky Gold Star Family plates on my car that show I am a terrorism supporter. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:50:26am

good grief

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:51:20am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:51:31am
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:51:46am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

Statement mobilising the National Guard perhaps?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:51:47am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

is this another presser or his “campaign” rally tomorrow?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:52:03am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[Embedded content]

Not with that face, I won’t join you. Maybe learn to smile more and be more pretty. //

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:52:58am

re: #369 Sir John Barron

is this another presser or his “campaign” rally tomorrow?

He’s going to keep campaigning until he wins the popular vote.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:52:58am

So, who leaked the fake memo? They are so in trouble now.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:53:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:53:45am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:55:02am

re: #350 JordanRules

No doubt, but just ramping up the rhetoric like this is scary and dangerous. Lone wolves and small packs get hungrier and pissed if they see ‘liberal red tape’ holding their movement back.

Also interesting to note how historical and current institutional breakdowns feed my particular concerns.

Remember the following:

** Trump is a con man, pure and simple. He’s in this mainly to enrich his own personal wealth.
** Steve Bannon fashions himself as Lenin reincarnate. It’s well known that he wants and desires a total collapse of the federal government.
** The GOP rank-and-file is only concerned about enriching people like Trump by large tax cuts for the top 1%, et al. Any government service or program is not necessary. They are effectively nihilists.
** Most GOP voters have been poisoned mentally by the propaganda outfits like Fox, Rush and Lumpy, and Bannon’s Breitbart.
** Bannon takes over for Jared Kushner tonight, as is the case with every Friday night. The Muslim ban EO? Enacted on a Friday night. The “Patriot Day” proclamation on Inauguration day that reeked of the NSDAP? Friday night.

So… Trump floats another quick and easy con job that will never be implemented (this Nat Guard farce) simply because it’s fucking unrealistic. At sundown, Bannon takes over for Kushner, and they attempt the narrative after “walking back” and trying to blame the LIBERULZ for “destroying” his “plan.”

Culminating with the “rally” tomorrow afternoon.

I’m still debating whether or not I should go to the kitchen and get out the container of Reynolds Wrap…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:55:22am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:56:17am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:56:28am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:57:03am

There’s definitely some smoke to this.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:57:33am

re: #373 JordanRules

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“We can outrun this oncoming train at the railroad crossing! Go faster!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:58:32am

You know, it HAS happened here. Lewis just didn’t mention the tacky hats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:58:37am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:59:35am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah not a Hayes fan but he’s right. I don’t know if this is true but I definitely don’t truts a thing that comes from Spicey’s mouth.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:59:49am

re: #120 BlueGrl21

Whelp, I’ve been on The Facebooks tonight, scheming with my fellow resistance fighters.

Our Rep is not holding any events during the break. None, nada, zip. So we’re going to hold one locally and invite him to speak to us as our special guest! We’ll even supply a lovely meal!

We’re getting a very formal invite printed up and will deliver it by hand to his office. We’re confident he will be very enthusiastic to meet his constituents. We’re all quite flexible on time or location, we know he’s quite busy so we’re happy to work with him.

But just in case he’s not able to swing it, someone already made a life size cardboard cutout of him we can use in his absence. We have a lot of questions.

Yeah. Local media has already been informed. They’ll be with us at every step.

I suggested we dressed his cardboard cutout in drag to protest our latest trans bathroom nonsense but was gently overridden. Pity, that.

Are you in Greensboro NC?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:00:35am

re: #374 FormerDirtDart

THIS. Make a fucking outlandish proposal, “walk it back,” and then enact something in a smaller scale but equally disgusting.

The boiled frog theory.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:00:47am

re: #314 Myron Falwell

This type of crap is what will push the bigot brigade to his rally. He needs to motivate people to show up for “Massive Crowds”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:01:15am

Anyhow, I’m going to my first event to help Perriello tomorrow. Have no idea what kind of reception we’ll get. I imagine most people won’t know him in Leesburg.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:02:00am

Good morning.

Oh my god.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:02:25am

re: #386 Dave In Austin

This type of crap is what will push the bigot brigade to his rally. He needs to motivate people to show up for “Massive Crowds”.

Yup. Continuing the con game.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:03:17am

This is what I just read on Bloomberg.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:03:45am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Yeah not a Hayes fan but he’s right. I don’t know if this is true but I definitely don’t truts a thing that comes from Spicey’s mouth.

I’m waiting for the official response from Melissa McCarthy.

half /

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:04:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:05:23am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:06:16am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

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But her emails and her cackle!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:06:17am

He is on…

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:06:30am

re: #375 Myron Falwell

Uhhh thanks for that, I think. I really do still feel like affirming his base is less important than terrorizing his enemies, particularly the very vulnerable and marginalized. We know they don’t really give a shit about their base either. A lot of the time, they are just a tool to be used to terrorize.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:06:44am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:06:58am

Very exciting. Great women.

/////

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:07:22am

re: #375 Myron Falwell

Remember the following:

** Trump is a con man, pure and simple. He’s in this mainly to enrich his own personal wealth.
** Steve Bannon fashions himself as Lenin reincarnate. It’s well known that he wants and desires a total collapse of the federal government.
** The GOP rank-and-file is only concerned about enriching people like Trump by large tax cuts for the top 1%, et al. Any government service or program is not necessary. They are effectively nihilists.
** Most GOP voters have been poisoned mentally by the propaganda outfits like Fox, Rush and Lumpy, and Bannon’s Breitbart.
** Bannon takes over for Jared Kushner tonight, as is the case with every Friday night. The Muslim ban EO? Enacted on a Friday night. The “Patriot Day” proclamation on Inauguration day that reeked of the NSDAP? Friday night.

So… Trump floats another quick and easy con job that will never be implemented (this Nat Guard farce) simply because it’s fucking unrealistic. At sundown, Bannon takes over for Kushner, and they attempt the narrative after “walking back” and trying to blame the LIBERULZ for “destroying” his “plan.”

Culminating with the “rally” tomorrow afternoon.

I’m still debating whether or not I should go to the kitchen and get out the container of Reynolds Wrap…

No, but you are skirting a felony for Attempted memory.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:07:27am

re: #388 Stanley Sea

Good morning.

Oh my god.

Evergreen comment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:07:54am

re: #397 Dave In Austin

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We’re not condemning the Guard you fuck, we’re condemning the guys who are writing the order, you pathetic deflecting jackass.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:07:59am

Beeleeve me it is threat!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:08:38am

Well, that was nothing at all.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:08:47am
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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:08:53am

For the record, nationalizing the National Guard and using it to round up illegal immigrants is probably a violation of posse comitatis.

The National Guard can be used for law enforcement purposes while under the direction of governors, but once mobilized, I think they’re covered by PC

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:10:16am

re: #404 lawhawk

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So Spicer wasn’t telling the truth when he completely dismissed it. Shocker.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:10:23am

re: #388 Stanley Sea

Good morning.

Oh my god.

I’m afraid no god will help us out of this.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:10:27am

re: #405 KGxvi

For the record, nationalizing the National Guard and using it to round up illegal immigrants is probably a violation of posse comitatis.

The National Guard can be used for law enforcement purposes while under the direction of governors, but once mobilized, I think they’re covered by PC

So the best bet is to get governors on the record as against this, pronto.

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weave  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:11:38am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I’ll say it again Trump actually being elected may be what damages the GOP brand. If Clinton had become President, they’d just wash their hands and someone bland like Kasich would be the nominee in 2020 but now they actually have Trump as President.

They can never ever throw out lame criticisms against a Democratic President again. No matter what they say, it’s guaranteed Trump would have done it many times worse.

“Oh yeah, but Trump.”

Oh wait, never mind. They’ll do it anyway. Because RWNJs have very short memories and will just yell out “fake news.”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:11:53am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:12:43am

re: #405 KGxvi

For the record, nationalizing the National Guard and using it to round up illegal immigrants is probably a violation of posse comitatis.

The National Guard can be used for law enforcement purposes while under the direction of governors, but once mobilized, I think they’re covered by PC

“Probably” being determined by the next couple Supreme Court justices?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:14:02am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:14:29am

re: #396 JordanRules

Uhhh thanks for that, I think. I really do still feel like affirming his base is less important than terrorizing his enemies, particularly the very vulnerable and marginalized. We know they don’t really give a shit about their base either. A lot of the time, they are just a tool to be used to terrorize.

It’s a conflagration of the worst of all worlds. There was no simple cause, and sadly, there is no simple fix.

I’m probably more aware of this than most, because I repudiated the right as Trump’s campaign took root. Charles repudiated the right as the lunatic fringe of the GOP took hold seven years earlier, between 2008 and 2009.

In both cases, we realized that the GOP was going over a cliff, and we refused to go with them.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:14:46am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Oh, Trump’s going to be pissed. But this was all part of Putin’s game anyhow.

The fact that Russia has been cheering Trump, not only in the media but in the Duma, has become a story on its own. I think Putin wants the link to Trump to be less obvious.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:15:48am

re: #408 makeitstop

The gung ho GOP dominated states will probably see nothing wrong with this. The states along the border, the states with tight budget situations (most of them) will cause a bounce back to reality.

It costs a shit ton of money to mobilize the NG for an extended operation such as the one they’re envisioning. That’s money that states don’t have. I’m sure Brownback would love to do this in Kansas, except his budget situation is a mess.

NY, CA, and the rest of the Northeast might also refuse to act.

Texas gets interesting, because their Congressional delegation also knows that the wall is unworkable.

But you know their governor would authorize it even though the state has an independent streak (or so they claim) when it comes to federal action.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:16:08am

re: #411 Decatur Deb

“Probably” being determined by the next couple Supreme Court justices?

I said probably because I just did like 45 seconds of research on posting it. So in true lawyerly fashion, I’m couching my opinion (old line, a lawyer’s favorite answer is “yes, but…”) until I can do more research.

From what I’ve read, the statute likely applies to the National Guard. Which is probably why it was scrapped the moment a DOD or DHS lawyer read it

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:16:36am

Off to work on my taxes. Somebody has to buy 5.56 for the ANG.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:16:49am

re: #405 KGxvi

For the record, nationalizing the National Guard and using it to round up illegal immigrants is probably a violation of posse comitatis.

The National Guard can be used for law enforcement purposes while under the direction of governors, but once mobilized, I think they’re covered by PC

Nope, as I noted above, if the president determines civil order has broken down, the Posse Comitatus Act allows him to use the guard as a police force. It also allows him to use the Air Force and Army. (The Navy and Marine Corps are not covered by the act.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:17:41am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:18:34am

re: #390 Stanley Sea

This is what I just read on Bloomberg.

OK, that’s a lot more in-depth, and the “opt-in” option for Governors seems to me to make the concept at least legal.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:19:10am

re: #416 KGxvi

I said probably because I just did like 45 seconds of research on posting it. So in true lawyerly fashion, I’m couching my opinion (old line, a lawyer’s favorite answer is “yes, but…”) until I can do more research.

From what I’ve read, the statute likely applies to the National Guard. Which is probably why it was scrapped the moment a DOD or DHS lawyer read it

On Joint Task Force Andrew, the Florida Guard, not federalized, carried ammo. Other states’ NG units were limited to unarmed support. That was before the post-9/11 changes.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:19:19am

re: #415 lawhawk

The gung ho GOP dominated states will probably see nothing wrong with this. The states along the border, the states with tight budget situations (most of them) will cause a bounce back to reality.

It costs a shit ton of money to mobilize the NG for an extended operation such as the one they’re envisioning. That’s money that states don’t have. I’m sure Brownback would love to do this in Kansas, except his budget situation is a mess.
(rest cut)

If the National Guard is federalised, the states do not pay for it. The Department of Defense does.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:19:35am

re: #420 FormerDirtDart

OK, that’s a lot more in-depth, and the “opt-in” option for Governors seems to me to make the concept at least legal.

Can one state’s National Guard be used in another state without the permission of the second state’s Governor?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:20:49am

Hey, where’s Varek been?????

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:21:03am

re: #423 Timothy Watson

Can one state’s National Guard be used in another state without the permission of the second state’s Governor?

Short answer, yes.

If the guard is federalised under the Posse Comitatus Act, they are part of the Department of Defense, not the state.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:22:09am

re: #423 Timothy Watson

Can one state’s National Guard be used in another state without the permission of the second state’s Governor?

Once federalized it can even be used in its home state without permission of the Gov. His Adjutant General moves into the Army chain of command..

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:23:38am

re: #423 Timothy Watson

Can one state’s National Guard be used in another state without the permission of the second state’s Governor?

No, if not federalized. But cross state usage is allowed, and quite common.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:24:07am
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darthstar  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:25:01am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

From that thread.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:26:18am

re: #424 Stanley Sea

Hey, where’s Varek been?????

Good question, I haven’t seen him in a week or so. Another one I wonder about is Erik, I think he changed his name to TastyT or something like that. We had good talks because we were two people who previously not been big HRC fans but became impressed with her as we learned more.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:26:54am

re: #422 Anymouse

If the National Guard is federalised, the states do not pay for it. The Department of Defense does.

Read the Bloomberg piece, no plan to federalize.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:29:30am

re: #431 FormerDirtDart

Read the Bloomberg piece, no plan to federalize.

That’s what they’re saying now. But Anymouse was offering a correction to some information that would be useful whether or not it happens right now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:29:53am

We do seem to lose people now and then. There are a couple others I’m sure who I’m forgetting who I haven’t seen since the election or even the summer.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:30:16am

re: #431 FormerDirtDart

Read the Bloomberg piece, no plan to federalize.

I did read the Bloomberg piece. What happens when state governors tell Mr. Trump and President Bannon “no?”

Trump is not well-known for taking no for an answer, and Bannon knows as well as I do the Feds can nationalise the Guard under an allegation of civil disorder.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:30:32am
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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:30:51am

You know you’re in trouble when…

Mark Sanford (R-SC) is the lone outspoken critic of President Donald Trump among House Republicans

rawstory.com

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:32:22am

re: #240 lawhawk

People don’t even have a clue how much of the nation relies on immigrants, legal or otherwise to do the jobs white Americans wont do. You know, like prepare your food in kitchens for sub-subsistence wages. Or pick your food. Basic stuff.

And Trump’s crackdown still wont clear the nation of the threatening illegal aliens for 270+ years at this rate. Why? Because 700 a week when you’re dealing with 10 million here who have overstayed visas is a drop in the bucket. Heck, Obama deported more than that, without engaging in all of the sleazy tactics we’re hearing about.

Welp… There’s this:

Brian Cash can put a figure to the cost of Alabama’s new immigration law: at least $100,000. That’s the value of the tomatoes he has personally ripening out in his fields and that are going unpicked because his Hispanic workforce vanished literally overnight.
……
The blow to Cash can be measured in those $100,000 - money he says he had wanted to put aside as insurance against a poor crop in future years. But it can also be measured in other ways.
……
Cash says that losing his pickers is much more than a commercial disaster. “Many of these people are friends and like family to us. They have been working for my family for years.”

The crew leader for Cash’s fields has been working for his family for 17 years. “He’s my age and we pretty much grew up together,” he says.

Cash has sponsored him in his application for American naturalisation - a process that the immigration authorities have said will take up to nine years and cost up to $17,000.

The crew leader already has permanent residency status and his two children are US citizens, but because his wife is undocumented he was fearful of the new law and left abruptly along with the others the minute the provisions came in.Cash gets angry when people tell him that his Hispanic workforce was taking jobs away from Americans. Since the new law began two weeks ago only two American citizens have come by his farm asking for work.

The couple had driven two hours from a city to offer their services, but they barely lasted that long in the fields. Cash discovered that they were trying to fiddle him by notching up two baskets of tomatoes for every one they picked - as they were paid by the basket that would have fraudulently doubled their earnings.

“That’s just the kind of stuff you come across. Somebody who really wants a good job and is prepared to work hard and honest for it isn’t going to come up here for four months in the year.

“But Hispanics will do that, and move on to Florida when the picking’s finished.”
…..

And apparently Alabama (.gov) is looking for temporary workers.

And then there are Trump supporters who thought, hey, he’s not going to do that, and now can’t get their crops picked.

Yeah, not so much.

“Everything’s coming so quickly,” Mr. Marchini said. “We’re not loading people into buses or deporting them, that’s not happening yet.” As he looked out over a crew of workers bent over as they rifled through muddy leaves to find purple heads of radicchio, he said that as a businessman, Mr. Trump would know that farmers had invested millions of dollars into produce that is growing right now, and that not being able to pick and sell those crops would represent huge losses for the state economy. “I’m confident that he can grasp the magnitude and the anxiety of what’s happening now.”
….
The consequences of a smaller immigrant work force would ripple not just through the orchards and dairies, but also to locally owned businesses, restaurants, schools and even seemingly unrelated industries, like the insurance market.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:32:34am

We all need to call these thing what they are. For me, from now on these deflections will be know as “Squirrels”.

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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:32:40am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:32:58am

re: #436 BeachDem

You know you’re in trouble when…

Mark Sanford (R-SC) is the lone outspoken critic of President Donald Trump among House Republicans

rawstory.com

How the hell did that happen? Then again didn’t Bob Ingliss (sp?) end up becoming one of the sane Republicans in the early years of Obama?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:33:10am

Damn it all. One of the 6th grade students was killed by a hit and run driver last night. He was out in the street with other boys after 11:00.

Jesus.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:34:30am
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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:35:38am

re: #434 Anymouse

I did read the Bloomberg piece. What happens when state governors tell Mr. Trump and President Bannon “no?”

Trump is not well-known for taking no for an answer, and Bannon knows as well as I do the Feds can nationalise the Guard under an allegation of civil disorder.

That would indeed be the gateway, and the endgame.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:36:37am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

How the hell did that happen? Then again didn’t Bob Ingliss (sp?) end up becoming one of the sane Republicans in the early years of Obama?

And then he got primaried and beat by Trey Gowdy, if that tells you anything about the Republicans in my state…

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:38:35am

re: #441 Scottish Dragon

{{{hugs}}}

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:39:05am

re: #441 Scottish Dragon

{{{}}}

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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:39:24am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:39:37am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Good question, I haven’t seen him in a week or so. Another one I wonder about is Erik, I think he changed his name to TastyT or something like that. We had good talks because we were two people who previously not been big HRC fans but became impressed with her as we learned more.

Thanks for giving me a prompt for something I’ve been thinking about:

As a millennial and former Republican, I didn’t have a good opinion of Clinton a year ago. I planned on voting for her, regardless of the Republican nominee, but I only started helping out on her campaign because Trump managed to get the nomination and the tightening up of the polls in the middle of September.

But I grew to admire her during the campaign for all the shit she had to deal with.

And I’m about 35 pages into Game Change about the 2008 election, and it’s annoying that some of the stuff didn’t get more attention. For example, she waited on the tarmac in a plane for hours because of storms in Chicago when she was scheduled to appear at two of Obama’s senatorial fundraisers back in 2004. After meeting him for the first time, she arranged appearances at several more fundraisers for him. And the book mentions how she loathed fundraisers, but would go from state-to-state to help other candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:41:07am

re: #444 BeachDem

And then he got primaried and beat by Trey Gowdy, if that tells you anything about the Republicans in my state…

That’s right, that is Gowdy’s seat and isn’t that Jim Deminted’s old seat as well?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:42:20am

re: #436 BeachDem

Did Sanford make that statement with the plans of going “missing” again? /

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:42:50am

re: #257 lawhawk

Michael Flynn’s Russia problem just became an FBI problem wapo.st

I am a “read the comments” kinda gal and it’s fascinating to see that there are virtually no Trump supporters there. Apparently all the Russian trolls have moved shop (likely over to France).

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:42:51am

re: #434 Anymouse

I did read the Bloomberg piece. What happens when state governors tell Mr. Trump and President Bannon “no?”

Trump is not well-known for taking no for an answer, and Bannon knows as well as I do the Feds can nationalise the Guard under an allegation of civil disorder.

I’m not ready to go all “black helicopters” and false flag civil disorder yet, sorry.

The facts appear to be that a draft plan was put together that strove to at least follow the letter of the law. So, likely put together by actual professionals.
I’m more prepared to believe that it might have been discarded because of the “opt-in” provision. Since it would be politically humiliating for the administration if a number of states refused to “get with the program”

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weave  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:43:25am

Trump’s 3 Trips to Mar-a-Lago Cost $10 Million and Your Taxes Are Paying For It

And he’s just getting started. That and the cost for protecting Trump Tower so his wife can live there full time.

Yet, we had this from December 2015…

Report: Price of Obama getaways $70 million so far, and counting

So basically in a few weeks Trump will spend more taxpayer money on vacation than Obama did in eight years, that RWNJs were so outraged about at the time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:43:49am

re: #444 BeachDem

Beach Dem, watch out…he’s heading to your state for a photo op:

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:45:29am

re: #452 FormerDirtDart

I’m not ready to go all “black helicopters” and false flag civil disorder yet, sorry.

The facts appear to be that a draft plan was put together that strove to at least follow the letter of the law. So, likely put together by actual professionals.
I’m more prepared to believe that it might have been discarded because of the “opt-in” provision. Since it would be politically humiliating for the administration if a number of states refused to “get with the program”

And to think if Donald Trump had not been elected, we wouldn’t even be considering whether this might be true or not.

Considering Sean Spicer denied it …

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:46:26am

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

He should invite the Lockheed CEO too!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:46:48am

re: #448 Timothy Watson

Thanks for giving me a prompt for something I’ve been thinking about:

As a millennial and former Republican, I didn’t have a good opinion of Clinton a year ago. I planned on voting for her, regardless of the Republican nominee, but I only started helping out on her campaign because Trump managed to get the nomination and the tightening up of the polls in the middle of September.

But I grew to admire her during the campaign for all the shit she had to deal with.

And I’m about 35 pages into Game Change about the 2008 election, and it’s annoying that some of the stuff didn’t get more attention. For example, she waited on the tarmac in a plane for hours because of storms in Chicago when she was scheduled to appear at two of Obama’s senatorial fundraisers back in 2004. After meeting him for the first time, she arranged appearances at several more fundraisers for him. And the book mentions how she loathed fundraisers, but would go from state-to-state to help other candidates.

She just gets a raw deal from people not just on the right but the left too. And I admit I was one of them for a long time. What I came to admire her for is all the stuff she’s actually gotten accomplished in her career and that’s why it annoyed me to no end to see her treated as this person who has always played it safe and Sanders who offers a lot of big things treated like the grand hero of the progressive movement. And yeah the campaigning she did for other candidates definitely played a big role in why many of them supported her and the Sanders diehards just couldn’t see that. Of course, it helped that she had helped get many of them elected and he had done no such thing. And people may complain about that being politics and corruption but it’s not, people appreciate someone who will go to bat for them. When I fondly recall my professors, I recall the ones that were willing to meet with me after class and or write letter sof recommendation, much of the same principle applies to Dem officials who appreciated that HRC had been there for them. Obama gained good will through the same way. I think Kaine probably met Obama for the first time in 2005 when Obama camapigned for him and Obama likely impressed him and Kaine became the first non-Illinois governor to endorse him.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:46:56am

re: #452 FormerDirtDart

I’m not ready to go all “black helicopters” and false flag civil disorder yet, sorry.

The facts appear to be that a draft plan was put together that strove to at least follow the letter of the law. So, likely put together by actual professionals.
I’m more prepared to believe that it might have been discarded because of the “opt-in” provision. Since it would be politically humiliating for the administration if a number of states refused to “get with the program”

It would be interesting to see what Abbott would do. And by interesting, I mean what the other people in Texas would say to him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:47:47am

re: #458 Belafon

It would be interesting to see what Abbott would do.

Abbott? He’d RT something with the hashtag TCOT since he cares more about impressing those bozos than actually running his state.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:47:54am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

So this is being Tweeted all over #TheResistance hashtag, telling people not to protest the Florida MAGA rally because IT’S A TRAP

I understand what they are saying but protesting is our only voice. Do we allow trump to show only supporting sycophants in his campaign events? He gets his adoration and no pushback.

I disagree, myself, with saying don’t go. Is it going to be dangerous? I think any time anyone protests it will be dangerous.

Liberty is dangerous apparently. We took it for granted and this is where we are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:48:18am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:49:33am

re: #460 MsJ

I understand what they are saying but protesting is our only voice. Do we allow trump to show only supporting sycophants in his campaign events? He gets his adoration and no pushback.

I disagree, myself, with saying don’t go. Is it going to be dangerous? I think any time anyone protests it will be dangerous.

Liberty is dangerous apparently. We took it for granted and this is where we are.

Apparently they are afraid of “Black Bloc” or “false flag” pro-Trumpers hijacking the protests with violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:49:39am
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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:49:57am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

That’s right, that is Gowdy’s seat and isn’t that Jim Deminted’s old seat as well?

Yep—Inglis held it twice, with DeMint in the middle. Good memory, HW! (I had to look it up to be certain.)

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:50:10am

re: #453 weave

Trump’s 3 Trips to Mar-a-Lago Cost $10 Million and Your Taxes Are Paying For It

And he’s just getting started. That and the cost for protecting Trump Tower so his wife can live there full time.

Yet, we had this from December 2015…

Report: Price of Obama getaways $70 million so far, and counting

So basically in a few weeks Trump will spend more taxpayer money on vacation than Obama did in eight years, that RWNJs were so outraged about at the time.

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:50:56am

I actually credit Klys especially more than anyone here for helping me be more reasonable about Clinton. I admit, I was one of these “Gee do we really want a dynasty” types. I was initially quite sympathetic towards Sanders but the more I saw out of Bernie, the more I saw a man who I felt even though I agree with him on a lot just wouldn’t be a good President or nominee. A lot of lefties still fall into this trap of thinking ideologically good= leader. It’s why quite frankly I’m still not sure about Elizabeth Warren for President. I still do like Warren a lot obviously and unlike Bernie, she has the added advantage of being a Democrat. But I was unfair and didn’t see Clinton as someone with her own unique accomplishments that she did without her husband.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:51:54am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

How are we the largest economy in the world then?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:52:01am

re: #464 BeachDem

Yep—Inglis held it twice, with DeMint in the middle. Good memory, HW! (I had to look it up to be certain.)

I can be savant like when I’m in my element. Man DeMint may be just about the worst. I encounter a lot of people from Think Tanks due having a lot of friends that work in D.C. and they all tell me that the Heritage Foundation people are just the worst.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:52:08am

re: #460 MsJ

I understand what they are saying but protesting is our only voice. Do we allow trump to show only supporting sycophants in his campaign events? He gets his adoration and no pushback.

I disagree, myself, with saying don’t go. Is it going to be dangerous? I think any time anyone protests it will be dangerous.

Liberty is dangerous apparently. We took it for granted and this is where we are.

And one wonders if that tweet was intended to discourage people from protesting. Not from the left as concern for safety, but from the right simply as discouragement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:52:10am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:53:17am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I literally was just there last night. In Rosslyn that is. For those of you who don’t know. Rosslyn is right near the Key Bridge where one can walk from Virginia to D.C.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:53:23am

re: #454 Backwoods_Sleuth

Beach Dem, watch out…he’s heading to your state for a photo op:

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I know (shudder.) There are protest rallies planned—from the SCDP yesterday:

Donald Trump is taking his Russian clown show on the road, and it’s coming to North Charleston tomorrow. Indivisible Charleston is holding a rally at the Coliseum from 11 am to 2 pm to demand an investigation into the Trump team’s shady communications with Russia (which they have already been caught lying about). SCDP Chair Jaime Harrison will be there. Additional details from the organizers are pasted below, and more information is available on the Facebook event page.

CONFIRMED!!!!! Rally to RESIST Trump during his visit to Boeing in North Charleston on Friday 2/17!!!! 11 AM to 2 PM!

I can’t go, but I will be there in spirit.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:53:32am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just to be clear, Trump is directing the Justice Department to investigate his perceived opponents:wapo.st

What I said last night: re: #129 MsJ in response to re: #116 Anymouse

So that was cute and all (Wonkette FTW!) but what’s not so funny is:

1 Chaffetz wanting to Grand Jury Clinton.
2 Trump constantly talking about Clinton.
3 Now this letter.

We’ve joked about dictatorships, banana republics, authoritarian regimes, but this makes me pretty uncomfortable. Of they try to jail a political opponent that’s a bridge we didn’t just cross but one that we burned to the ground.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:53:34am

re: #467 Belafon

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How are we the largest economy in the world then?

because we consistently cut taxes!!!

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:54:46am

re: #460 MsJ

Speaking of Trump sycophants, I’m seeing lots of them on Facebook. Also, the usual suspects really loving fascistic themes.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:55:12am

re: #474 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because we consistently cut taxes!!!

/

And if we have negative taxes (pay businesses to do business) we’ll be even bigger, just like Kansas and Louisiana.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:55:46am

re: #475 freetoken

Speaking of Trump sycophants, I’m seeing lots of them on Facebook. Also, the usual suspects really loving fascistic themes.

yes, an otherwise fairly sane conservative friend reposting Gateway Pundit…

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:55:49am

re: #452 FormerDirtDart

Which, when put in that context, makes increasing sense.

It also makes me wonder about if this was leaked voluntarily by the Regime. So far, I’m still under that impression.

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CongoJack  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:56:13am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

Al Franken I find has grown on me quite a bit. Love in on SNL - but if memory serves he is likely the most intelligent person in the Senate (and has a higher level math degree - and I don’t do math well - and I like Presidents who know more than I do).

Elizabeth Warren I think would make a great VP (but I love her work in the Senate - not all people need to have presidential ambitions - and she could change the Senate for decades).

Though if anyone mentions me Colorado Senator Bennet as a Presidential or VP candidate I will lose my shit. He is OK in the Senate but hes just too spineless (and he keeps trying to do shit with Cory Gardner (my other senator) who doesnt need to be given bi partisan creds).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:56:35am

re: #469 Anymouse

And one wonders if that tweet was intended to discourage people from protesting. Not from the left as concern for safety, but from the right simply as discouragement.

Billie Holiday - One Never Knows, Does One (Vocalion Records 1937)

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:56:39am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

I must confess I don’t really pay attention to Shep that much. Or FNC in general.

Because you are a smart man.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 8:59:06am
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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:01:52am

re: #469 Anymouse

And one wonders if that tweet was intended to discourage people from protesting. Not from the left as concern for safety, but from the right simply as discouragement.

I didn’t see it as discouraging protest per sae, but protests that made it easier for the Bannon Brownshirts to stage a Reichstag-Fire event (remember the fake assassination attempt brouhaha?)

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:01:55am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

Silly raccoon. He could have been just fine in the middle of the night.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:02:42am

Hey, that looks like the map from from Jade Helm…
//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:03:02am

re: #479 CongoJack

Al Franken I find has grown on me quite a bit. Love in on SNL - but if memory serves he is likely the most intelligent person in the Senate (and has a higher level math degree - and I don’t do math well - and I like Presidents who know more than I do).

Elizabeth Warren I think would make a great VP (but I love her work in the Senate - not all people need to have presidential ambitions - and she could change the Senate for decades).

Though if anyone mentions me Colorado Senator Bennet as a Presidential or VP candidate I will lose my shit. He is OK in the Senate but hes just too spineless (and he keeps trying to do shit with Cory Gardner (my other senator) who doesnt need to be given bi partisan creds).

Franken is someone whose name doesn’t come up that often but I find very intriguing. He’s brilliant as you say and he too has grown on me. I agree with your accessment of Warren. She may be better as a legislator than executive. I really don’t know anything about Bennet TBH, I’ve heard of him as I have an an aunt in Colorado but not familiar with him and his style. Someone I really like is Kirsten Gillibrand, I like how she’s taken leadership i.e. being among the first Democrats in the Senate to support certain issues. However, i think Andrew Cuomo will run in 2020 and I’d be shocked if two New Yorkers ran. Booker is another guy I like, he’s good on criminal justice issues that I follow. I think the Dems need someone younger and or feisty ala Franken to go after Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:03:18am
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:03:35am

Texas state senator smashes glass top table with gavel after an intern testified against Texas abortion bills and he told her to sit down and shut up.

wonkette.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:05:24am

re: #487 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

what is it? no twitter phone today.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:07:29am

re: #488 Anymouse

Texas state senator smashes glass top table with gavel after an intern testified against Texas abortion bills and he told her to sit down and shut up.

wonkette.com

Well, good grief this intern is just a host. keep quiet and keep on hosting.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:07:58am

re: #488 Anymouse

Texas state senator smashes glass top table with gavel after an intern testified against Texas abortion bills and he told her to sit down and shut up.

wonkette.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:08:44am

re: #491 Dave In Austin

The good angry doctor just wants to save babies.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:08:49am

re: #489 Sir John Barron

The girl in the “LOL” shirt who killed Kim Jong-un’s half-brother in Malaysia is claiming that she was doing so as part of a comedy show prank.

Thankfully Dick Clark and Ed McMahon are no longer with us.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:07am

re: #490 Sir John Barron

Well, good grief this intern is just a host. keep quiet and keep on hosting.

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Between Texas, and the alleged report AP revealed, I really get the impression conservatives would be happier with this:

Nazi chicken
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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:17am

re: #493 Myron Falwell

The girl in the “LOL” shirt who killed Kim Jong-un’s half-brother in Malaysia is claiming that she was doing so as part of a comedy show prank.

Thankfully Dick Clark and Ed McMahon are no longer with us.

Hmmm, that’s an interesting excuse for a murder.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:45am

re: #489 Sir John Barron

what is it? no twitter phone today.

Malaysian police say woman that assassinated Kim Jung-un’s half brother may have been duped into it.
Had been paid to “prank” number of people by spraying water in their faces.
Half brother got dangerous materials i n sprayer

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:45am

re: #491 Dave In Austin

Please, Charles Schwertner, tell us how you REALLY feel…

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:09:45am

re: #489 Sir John Barron

what is it? no twitter phone today.

Suspect in North Korea killing ‘thought she was taking part in TV prank’

An Indonesian woman arrested for suspected involvement in the killing of the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un’s half-brother in Malaysia was duped into thinking she was part of a comedy show prank, Indonesia’s national police chief has said, citing information received from Malaysian authorities.

Tito Karnavian told reporters in Indonesia’s Aceh province that Siti Aisyah, 25, was paid to be involved in pranks.

He said she and another woman performed stunts which involved convincing men to close their eyes and then spraying them with water.

“Such an action was done three or four times and they were given a few dollars for it, and with the last target, Kim Jong-nam, allegedly there were dangerous materials in the sprayer,” Karnavian said. “She was not aware that it was an assassination attempt by alleged foreign agents.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:10:12am

re: #489 Sir John Barron

what is it? no twitter phone today.

Woman arrested in Malaysia assassination of Kim Jong Un’s brother thought she was doing a prank on a comedy show.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:11:10am

I am hating that the DNC chair battle has become a proxy battle of Bernie vs Hillary. I like Ellison and Perez both and don’t care that one supported Sanders and the other Clinton. And anyone who acts like Perez is just an establishment moderate is a fucking idiot. They must not be aware of how controversial his DOL nomination was and he’s also the one that pushed the Fiduciary Rule, he’s also a good voice on civil rights and immigrants. Is he the best fit for DNC head? I don’t know but I am beyond pissed to see the BoBers I know using his past support of Clinton as a bullet against him. And quite frankly the only reason why many of them support Ellison is becaues he supoprted Bernie.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:12:14am

re: #456 JordanRules

He should invite the Lockheed CEO too!

Have the Lockheed CEO hide in the coat closet during the meeting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:12:20am

re: #488 Anymouse

Texas state senator smashes glass top table with gavel after an intern testified against Texas abortion bills and he told her to sit down and shut up.

wonkette.com

I guess the Honorable Poor Baby needed a nap.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:13:38am

re: #500 HappyWarrior

I am hating that the DNC chair battle has become a proxy battle of Bernie vs Hillary. I like Ellison and Perez both and don’t care that one supported Sanders and the other Clinton. And anyone who acts like Perez is just an establishment moderate is a fucking idiot. They must not be aware of how controversial his DOL nomination was and he’s also the one that pushed the Fiduciary Rule, he’s also a good voice on civil rights and immigrants. Is he the best fit for DNC head? I don’t know but I am beyond pissed to see the BoBers I know using his past support of Clinton as a bullet against him. And quite frankly the only reason why many of them support Ellison is becaues he supoprted Bernie.

Yeah I find this to be a rather silly argument that is playing out all over the twitters, as if either one of these guys is going to save the party or that either one is really terrible.

Does anyone think Rinse Pubis is some genius guy, even though he’s the chairman of a party that controls most state governments and the national government?

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:13:45am

re: #502 HappyWarrior

I guess the Honorable Poor Baby needed a nap.

The previous speaker, someone from a forced-coat-hanger group, got to speak twice as long as the intern.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:16:49am

re: #503 Sir John Barron

Yeah I find this to be a rather silly argument that is playing out all over the twitters, as if either one of these guys is going to save the party or that either one is really terrible.

Does anyone think Rinse Pubis is some genius guy, even though he’s the chairman of a party that controls most state governments and the national government?

Yeah I saw a post from one of those self fancied Progressive facebook groups that said that the Democrats don’t deserve to be supported if Perez gets the job. Honestly, I support that South Bend mayor that Art has told us about, I really like his approach and message but either Perez or Ellison would be fine, both have good progressive street creds. I swear this fucking purity bullshit done by the party’s left is going to keep fucking us. Goddamn BoBers are a fucking cult. If you didn’t blindly support Bernie until the very end, you shouldn’t be listened to them according to them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:17:03am

re: #504 Belafon

The previous speaker, someone from a forced-coat-hanger group, got to speak twice as long as the intern.

Doesn’t surprise me.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:17:05am

Here’s da memo

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:17:51am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

Here’s da memo

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Explain that and put it in your mouth and chew it, Spicey!

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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:18:07am
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:19:15am

re: #462 The Vicious Babushka

Apparently they are afraid of “Black Bloc” or “false flag” pro-Trumpers hijacking the protests with violence.

I completely get it and it is likely. I don’t put it past trump for one second that he wouldn’t organize this. (Bannon, actually.) They want to see the US burn.

We need everyone with cameras on being absolutely peaceful. But to take away that one thing, our literal only voice, rubs me wrong. I get congressional town halls, trying to get the message across that way but those people have decided to stop holding town halls, or having telephone town halls where attendees have to register to attend.

What else do we have to voice our displeasure?

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:19:25am

re: #491 Dave In Austin

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These patriarchal thugs almost can’t help getting violent, even symbolically, if they think they are dealing with a weaker person. He would not have done this with a male intern.
Schwertner bio at Votesmart.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:20:14am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

Here’s da memo

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Wouldn’t that be some kind of Posse Comitatus Act violation? After all, deportations are a matter of law enforcement.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:21:09am

re: #511 Shiplord Kirel

These patriarchal thugs almost can’t help getting violent, even symbolically, if they think they are dealing with a weaker person. He would not have done this with a male intern.
Schwertner bio at Votesmart.

Ah he’s a dick and a doctor.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:21:11am
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:21:20am

re: #510 MsJ

I completely get it and it is likely. I don’t put it past trump for one second that he wouldn’t organize this. (Bannon, actually.) They want to see the US burn.

We need everyone with cameras on being absolutely peaceful. But to take away that one thing, our literal only voice, rubs me wrong. I get congressional town halls, trying to get the message across that way but those people have decided to stop holding town halls, or having telephone town halls where attendees have to register to attend.

What else do we have to voice our displeasure?

That’s the point, to take away our sole method of lodging protest.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:22:28am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

We do seem to lose people now and then. There are a couple others I’m sure who I’m forgetting who I haven’t seen since the election or even the summer.

One is our diving lizard Reality Based Steve. It’s been some time since he has been around.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:23:06am

Noted from the protests at Jason Chaffetz’s town hall, where he spoke of “thugs” and “out-of-state” agitators:

Lt. Dan Bartlett of the Cottonwood Heights Police Department said several individuals at the event were demonstrating their Constitutional rights to openly carry handguns.

“There were several people who had come and exercised their constitutional rights to open carry, which is fine with us, we’re used to it—it’s something that happens here in Utah all of the time,” Bartlett said.

However, two or three men with handguns also had bandannas covering their mouths and faces. Bartlett said when officers closed the door to the event due to the crowd reaching fire code limits, those individuals tried to incite the crowd to rush at police and gain entry.

“As the crowd started to grow and chant and it got a little louder, they were in the crowd kind of telling other people in the protest that they should rush the cops,” Bartlett said.

Bartlett said none of the other people in the crowd followed this suggestion, and police were quickly made aware of the issue.

“People weren’t having it, for the most part everyone was very kind with us, a lot of people shook our hands,” he said.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:23:19am

re: #505 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw a post from one of those self fancied Progressive facebook groups that said that the Democrats don’t deserve to be supported if Perez gets the job. Honestly, I support that South Bend mayor that Art has told us about, I really like his approach and message but either Perez or Ellison would be fine, both have good progressive street creds. I swear this fucking purity bullshit done by the party’s left is going to keep fucking us. Goddamn BoBers are a fucking cult. If you didn’t blindly support Bernie until the very end, you shouldn’t be listened to them according to them.

This take your ball and go home bullshit from adults is getting to my last nerve.

I understand being angry if your candidate losses a primary, convention, or whatever. Take a week or month off and then come back and help out.

But to preemptively promise it’s over? Fuck off, in that case.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:23:25am

re: #516 ObserverArt

One is our diving lizard Reality Based Steve. It’s been some time since he has been around.

Good call. Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:24:12am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:18am

re: #518 Timothy Watson

This take your ball and go home bullshit from adults is getting to my last nerve.

I understand being angry if your candidate losses a primary, convention, or whatever. Take a week or month off and then come back and help out.

But to preemptively promise it’s over? Fuck off, in that case.

A lot of them seem to have it out for some comments Perez made and then walked back on. Honestly, I am sick of the Bernie cultists I know. You claim it’s not about the candidate but about us but you make everything you support based off that person’s actions in the primary towards Bernie. I’m sorry but I don’t feel bad for the how the DNC “treated” Sanders when he won’t even bother declaring him a member of their party. Quite honestly, you and I have done more for the Democratic Party than Sanders have.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:34am

re: #514 JordanRules

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Right, a draft memo that bears the Secretary’s name.

I call bullshit.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:38am

re: #516 ObserverArt

One is our diving lizard Reality Based Steve. It’s been some time since he has been around.

He warned us though.

Varek, he used to be here every morning. I just realized its been awhile since I’ve seen him.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:50am

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

How long before women must submit to mandatory pregnancy tests from the party of smaller government?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:25:57am

re: #512 Dr Lizardo

Wouldn’t that be some kind of Posse Comitatus Act violation? After all, deportations are a matter of law enforcement.

National Guard are allowed to perform law enforcement activities within their states, and in partnership with other states under title 32, under the control of the states. which the memo makes clear. States “opt-in”.
Not likely to happen with California, Colorado or Oregon. But, the other eight states? Pretty likely

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:26:06am

Doesn’t mean I think Bernie’s done nothing to further progress in this country but he’s not a Democrat and the DNC knowing how human nature is naturally favored one of their own over the outsider who craped on them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:27:24am

re: #522 Timothy Watson

Right, a draft memo that bears the Secretary’s name.

I call bullshit.

Yeah when i do memos at the office, I put my name on it but I don’t put my boss’s name on it. I do use the firm as a matter or organization but calling this preliminary is sketchy af.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:27:43am

re: #441 Scottish Dragon

Damn it all. One of the 6th grade students was killed by a hit and run driver last night. He was out in the street with other boys after 11:00.

Jesus.

Sorry to hear about that. Always sad when a youngster goes too early. I hope they find the driver. It makes the driver’s situation worse when they run off.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:28:20am

re: #525 FormerDirtDart

National Guard are allowed to perform law enforcement activities within their states, and in partnership with other states under title 32, under the control of the states. which the memo makes clear. States “opt-in”.
Not likely to happen with California, Colorado or Oregon. But, the other eight states? Pretty likely

If organised under the state governor (which they can do at any time), the states pay for it.

If a governor tells Trump “no,” watch how fast they are federalised (then the DOD pays for it).

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:28:36am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

A lot of them seem to have it out for some comments Perez made and then walked back on. Honestly, I am sick of the Bernie cultists I know. You claim it’s not about the candidate but about us but you make everything you support based off that person’s actions in the primary towards Bernie. I’m sorry but I don’t feel bad for the how the DNC “treated” Sanders when he won’t even bother declaring him a member of their party. Quite honestly, you and I have done more for the Democratic Party than Sanders have.

The funny thing is that one of the fellows on the Democratic campaign in Fredericksburg had been a Bernie supporter during the primary (still had a sticker on his car even). Didn’t stop him working 20+ hours a week while being a full-time student. He knocked on like 150 doors in one day for GOTV.

And then you run into the Busters (talked to a couple while doing phone calls) and you want to strangle the self-entitled little fucks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:28:40am

re: #516 ObserverArt

One is our diving lizard Reality Based Steve. It’s been some time since he has been around.

He got some downdings for being a hardcore BernieBro.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:28:49am

re: #523 Stanley Sea

He warned us though.

Varek, he used to be here every morning. I just realized its been awhile since I’ve seen him.

, Varek, Tim, TP, and myself all have a lot in common. We’re all Virginian guys around the same age. I think Varek or TP is the oldest. It’s a funny coincidence in any case. Hopefully Varek’s doing okay and just taking a break.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:29:05am

re: #507 Stanley Sea

Here’s da memo

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:30:40am

re: #530 Timothy Watson

The funny thing is that one of the fellows on the Democratic campaign in Fredericksburg had been a Bernie supporter during the primary (still had a sticker on his car even). Didn’t stop him working 20+ hours a week while being a full-time student. He knocked on like 150 doors in one day for GOTV.

And then you run into the Busters (talked to a couple while doing phone calls) and you want to strangle the self-entitled little fucks.

Yeah that’s why i don’t single out everyone who supported Bernie. You wanted something different in the primary than I did, that’s fair, you see the outcome of the election as something greater than Bernie and HRC like I do, we’re good. The Busters are just awful. The kids I can forgive honestly a little but the older ones I know who do remember 2000 and Nader, well they need to grow the fuck up.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:30:56am

re: #530 Timothy Watson

The funny thing is that one of the fellows on the Democratic campaign in Fredericksburg had been a Bernie supporter during the primary (still had a sticker on his car even). Didn’t stop him working 20+ hours a week while being a full-time student. He knocked on like 150 doors in one day for GOTV.

And then you run into the Busters (talked to a couple while doing phone calls) and you want to strangle the self-entitled little fucks.

Travelling through Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario last summer, I got a lot of questions about the Sanders sticker on my car. By the time we reached Thunder Bay, we watched the Democratic National Convention on television. Next morning I pulled the sticker off the car.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:30:58am

re: #531 The Vicious Babushka

He got some downdings for being a hardcore BernieBro.

RBS wasn’t a BernieBro as I recall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:31:19am
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Major Tom  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:31:52am

I forget who asked for this….

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:32:22am

Given today’s first news shot, let’s not forget about the ICE meeting the Hispanic Caucus members were booted from yesterday and the great concern those who were present have noted.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:32:31am

re: #533 Dr. Matt

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Hmm…that does look like something in the draft stage. The highlighted sections are probably additions from previous drafts?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:32:35am

My issue isn’t at all whether you supported Bernie or Clinton or not, it’s where you want to go from here.. We have people who supported Bernie here, a minority but people who from what I did see got the picture and didn’t do the childish “Shillary” or “She’s no better than Trump” or shit like that. Some of the shit I see in my TL from people i knew in the Bush years, tehy need to fucking grow up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:33:29am

re: #505 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw a post from one of those self fancied Progressive facebook groups that said that the Democrats don’t deserve to be supported if Perez gets the job. Honestly, I support that South Bend mayor that Art has told us about, I really like his approach and message but either Perez or Ellison would be fine, both have good progressive street creds. I swear this fucking purity bullshit done by the party’s left is going to keep fucking us. Goddamn BoBers are a fucking cult. If you didn’t blindly support Bernie until the very end, you shouldn’t be listened to them according to them.

If the BoBers had voted for Clinton, we wouldn’t be living in this nightmare. We might even have had a Democratic Senate

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:33:42am

re: #538 Major Tom

I forget who asked for this….

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twas me.
TYVM!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:34:20am

re: #542 Hecuba’s daughter

If the BoBers had voted for Clinton, we wouldn’t be living in this nightmare. We might even have had a Democratic Senate

The BoBers are just entitled as fuck.

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CongoJack  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:34:35am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

I would be OK with Gillibrand (growing on me as well) but Cuomo - hell no - I think he is as dirty as Christie (and help Christie not be behind bars at the moment). Also dont like the “look” of Cuomo (but thats more on me than him). I’d love to see Tammy Duckworth run for President of be on the VP role as well.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:35:22am

re: #456 JordanRules

He should invite the Lockheed CEO too!

He’ll tape it for him

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:36:17am

re: #545 CongoJack

I would be OK with Gillibrand (growing on me as well) but Cuomo - hell no - I think he is as dirty as Christie (and help Christie not be behind bars at the moment). Also dont like the “look” of Cuomo (but thats more on me than him). I’d love to see Tammy Duckworth run for President of be on the VP role as well.

Yeah I don’t like Cuomo either. Ducworth is great. I want to see what she does more her first term in the Senate before I decide how I see her for executive positions but she’s definitely someone I like and respect.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:36:40am

re: #524 Anymouse

How long before women must submit to mandatory pregnancy tests from the party of smaller government?

Well, the only effective way to prevent abortions is to force every woman to take a pregnancy test before she leaves the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:37:47am
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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:37:54am

In wrestling news - and it’s all wrestling news now, isn’t it? - “George The Animal Steele” has passed away:

tmz.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:39:35am

The other thing though, please stop telling me Bernie would have won based on hypothetical polls that were done before any attacks onf Bernie would have happened. I’m not even saying Bernie would have 100% lost for sure but I am saying that you do yourself a great disservice using those polls as “proof” when the RNC did have some dirt on Sanders that they would have used. Would it have worked? I don’t know but I just know I hate it when Sanders faults get ignored. Both Clinton and Sanders had flaws as candidates, I ended up preferring Clinton over him for two fold reasons A) I thought she’d be a better President than he would and B) She had by far the more substantial record of getting stuff done. And I didn’t get paid one dime by hte DNC for that and believe me I coudl use the dimes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:40:22am
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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:40:34am

Strong gust of wind… so check radar… the rain is coming, early.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:40:49am

I would love wheatdog’s impression on this, but I think he’s gone to sleep:
In China, a sense of betrayal after the assassination of Kim Jong Nam

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:41:20am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

The other thing though, please stop telling me Bernie would have won based on hypothetical polls that were done before any attacks onf Bernie would have happened.

They were both flawed candidates, and the RNC was ready to exploit those flaws up to and beyond the limit of the law

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:41:44am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

I’m still waiting on my DNC money and my Soros bucks.

Cheap bastards.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:43:27am

re: #550 freetoken

Back in the territory days, he was a gym teacher, and during summer breaks he’d travel to a different region to wrestle so nobody would recognize him.

Occasionally people who read the wrestling magazines would comment on the resemblance…his reply was “Do you think I’m that ugly?”

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:43:30am

re: #556 Timothy Watson

We’re all waiting for our Soros-bucks…

Heck, some of us are waiting for some of that Zionist cash we were promised years ago…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:02am

re: #555 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were both flawed candidates, and the RNC was ready to exploit those flaws up to and beyond the limit of the law

Exactly. I mean if you honestly prefererd Bernie as a candidate, that’s great, I don’t have a problem with you believing that but don’t tell me he was without weaknesses that could be attacked and TBH I did have my worries for how he would govern too that I didn’t have with Clinton. And I think if i had those as a staunch lefty, a lot of people to my center and right definitely would.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:06am

re: #548 Belafon

Toupee Fiasco might be willing to supervise those tests himself considering…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:44:44am

re: #556 Timothy Watson

I’m still waiting on my DNC money and my Soros bucks.

Cheap bastards.

I know, I am still a mere law clerk! Soros promised me big money if I praised Hillary onlien!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:45:33am

re: #550 freetoken

In wrestling news - and it’s all wrestling news now, isn’t it? - “George The Animal Steele” has passed away:

tmz.com

we should all tear apart a turnbuckle with our teeth in his honor…

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:47:12am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I know, I am still a mere law clerk! Soros promised me big money if I praised Hillary onlien!

I wouldn’t mind getting the money back I gave Clinton last year. :)

More annoying is the fact that I’m in the FEC records now. Ugh. One reason I’ve been limiting my donations to state candidates this year is so I don’t break the $100 limit that requires itemization and I’ll end up on VPAP (Virginia Public Access Project).

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:47:30am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I never did get my Obama phone.

*ROBBED*

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:48:52am

re: #539 JordanRules

Given today’s first news shot, let’s not forget about the ICE meeting the Hispanic Caucus members were booted from yesterday and the great concern those who were present have noted.

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I love the face on Michelle Lujan Grisham (behind the podium). Since NM only has three congresspeople, I like to think of them as shared, like the senators. Until the midterms, then I’m taking responsibility for getting Steve Pearce out of there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:50:01am

I have had some discussions with some of hte progressives I know about how the party has actually moved definitively ot hte left on social issues, they decry the party’s move on economic matters but I’ve had to explain that part of that is because the country as a whole has and we have fewer and fewer people who remember life before the New Deal, and that in a sense we’ve moved to the center and right on economics as a country because we had things like the New Deal in the first place and that it would probably take another Depression to move the country back to the left on ecoomics.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:50:42am

re: #441 Scottish Dragon

re: #528 ObserverArt

Sorry to hear about that. Always sad when a youngster goes too early. I hope they find the driver. It makes the driver’s situation worse when they run off.

/MEcIHPykrZF1P66oEaNsRjk1V+Hd9Ldyf/1lNuxvGSVHOwXDMjYYeeHdwF3Dy2LjT5Gl1phgHePYtJILeoVb5KY/YWVWsVpJuLrhd0KOjYyUiBKXkt4dl3ziyky+wBZkEM2EcPWT+lDtGG75hXglmOUM8bJ13faKDqznmMnbOh0h5EzsznzI+BrIgDe4TeyIn32yXV09Eq0RgQhKb4YOOarsU6bZoK0Xzp5pzYfm+HMZzWajaC5g6iMYk5WrcQbF+vIrcsVBJdauEym7qE6ULvfkdPfv9SG8y5dbOvV1x6zb17jfe5lFxYJ1qqSOG1xPgC31/8SzbuqD3JZFfIp4FyOiTCwM+O4aD8Pzc+PWjVgPYGxQwmz9J3EM1jrTrTPC/a6jRknfzJAzDZMx4Ky7KOm8CUevbiiId/gsvfQ8Hi+KtFVnMSPS6C+VvzsFLbXRTE+VzRQd9fqZ85ObvwMWO3UqLeisV1uoiKR3G/5dUrdu3P6GEpkjRop+4JE/vUBMRHeBi34rLR4hD2+xGMK7vr6sluMHf+jWaLKFLjvFvtUP7qA7HWXWem1tryvHrvjo6qBlRS18VnQWQ0pp5I+WeGLX+TcZXdHf0L9VBNd9F0=

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:50:43am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

The other thing though, please stop telling me Bernie would have won based on hypothetical polls that were done before any attacks onf Bernie would have happened. I’m not even saying Bernie would have 100% lost for sure but I am saying that you do yourself a great disservice using those polls as “proof” when the RNC did have some dirt on Sanders that they would have used. Would it have worked? I don’t know but I just know I hate it when Sanders faults get ignored. Both Clinton and Sanders had flaws as candidates, I ended up preferring Clinton over him for two fold reasons A) I thought she’d be a better President than he would and B) She had by far the more substantial record of getting stuff done. And I didn’t get paid one dime by hte DNC for that and believe me I coudl use the dimes.

I’m pretty certain if Sen. Sanders couldn’t win the Democratic Primary, he couldn’t win the General Election no matter which Republican candidate wound up with the nomination.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:50:59am

re: #523 Stanley Sea

He warned us though.

Varek, he used to be here every morning. I just realized its been awhile since I’ve seen him.

He did? I must have missed that. I hope he is doing well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:51:16am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

… it would probably take another Depression to move the country back to the left on ecoomics.

The near-depression of 2008 did not budge it very much.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:52:12am

re: #564 plansbandc

I never did get my Obama phone.

*ROBBED*

And I lost my job as a FEMA camp watchtower guard. What the hell am I supposed to do with 6 pairs of jackboots?!!?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:52:21am

re: #562 FormerDirtDart

we should all tear apart a turnbuckle with our teeth in his honor…

He was quite good in Ed Wood as well, playing Tor Johnson.

Ed Wood [1994] scene — Edward D. Wood Shoots ‘Plan 9 from Outer Space’ in a Phony Graveyard

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:52:38am

re: #570 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is why I believe our societal differences are becoming even more about deeply seated existential issues, tribalism, and religion in general. Simple economic swings, even giant ones, are no longer as big a player as they used to be.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:54:48am
Perpich v. Department of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990), was a case decided by the United States Supreme Court concerning the Militia Clauses of Article I, Section 8, of the United States Constitution in which the court held that Congress may authorize members of the National Guard to be ordered to active federal duty for purposes of training outside the United States without either the consent of a state governor or the declaration of a national emergency. The plaintiff was Rudy Perpich, Governor of Minnesota at the time.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:55:09am

re: #570 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The near-depression of 2008 did not budge it very much.

2008 bad as it was wasn’t 1929. I’m talking about something truly massive but you’re right and that again speaks to what I said about the legislation of 1932-1968 having people who don’t remember life before then just thinking it’s always been that way. In short, I think small government economic ideology succeeds with the masses because of the progress we have made.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:55:11am

re: #570 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The near-depression of 2008 did not budge it very much.

The near-Depression was saved by the Democrats, so the country didn’t learn a lesson.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:55:30am

re: #531 The Vicious Babushka

He got some downdings for being a hardcore BernieBro.

I did not know that…must have missed it. I wouldn’t think he would the type of guy that would keep him away from the discussion.

Oh well, religion and politics…

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Franklin  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:56:07am

re: #538 Major Tom

I forget who asked for this….

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Dammit! I should have scrolled before I did mine, well, half of it:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:57:03am

re: #568 Anymouse

I’m pretty certain if Sen. Sanders couldn’t win the Democratic Primary, he couldn’t win the General Election no matter which Republican candidate wound up with the nomination.

I’m saying if he had though, the argument to nominate him based off hypothetical polls was funny though since it’s something those types would hate if it was done to them. To me, I just didn’t think Sanders would make a good President. I appreciated his voting recodr and passion but I didn’t see a President. a President wears many hats as you know and I didn’t see Bernie as someone who could wear all those hats. That as much as his rhetoric could sometimes frustrate me is why I ultimately didn’t support him.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:57:09am

re: #572 Dr Lizardo

He was quite good in Ed Wood as well, playing Tor Johnson.

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I always thought it was ironic that a movie about one of the worst film-makers would include what may be the best representation of a real person in the history of acting, Martin Landau’s uncanny portrayal of Bela Lugosi. Landau won a well-deserved Oscar for it.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:57:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:58:30am

re: #577 ObserverArt

I did not know that…must have missed it. I wouldn’t think he would the type of guy that would keep him away from the discussion.

Oh well, religion and politics…

I think VB is mistaken there. I liked Steve too. His stories about his old man were a hoot. Reminded me of my own grandmother who loves watching the SNL cold openings and even Maher even though Bill hates her religious belief system.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:59:23am

re: #581 MsJ

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While we can’t fault an attorney for whom he represents, that certainly is curious to say the least.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 9:59:40am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:01:17am

How I know the weather is gonna be bad today? My cat is losing her shit right now hopping from window to window.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:01:18am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

While we can’t fault an attorney for whom he represents, that certainly is curious to say the least.

Yes, it’s not that he is an attorney, it’s this particular case and the ever growing relationship to Russia - from all ends of the Trump spectrum - that is troubling.

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weave  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:02:35am

re: #465 Anymouse

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

… and White.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:04:40am

re: #576 Belafon

The near-Depression was saved by the Democrats, so the country didn’t learn a lesson.

the GOP scolded the Democrats for being too rough on those poor bankers…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:04:42am

re: #586 MsJ

Yes, it’s not that he is an attorney, it’s this particular case and the ever growing relationship to Russia - from all ends of the Trump spectrum - that is troubling.

Right, absolutely. I know you get that. I just remembered how I hated seeing HRC lumped in as a child rape supporter because of a client she had.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:04:52am

re: #581 MsJ

#BREAKING:Kellyanne Conway’s husband George recently represented corp accused of bribing Russian officials#trumpleaks #resist #trumprussia

Isn’t he being considered for Solicitor General?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:05:27am

re: #590 FormerDirtDart

Isn’t he being considered for Solicitor General?

Trump chose someone else. Some hotshot conservative lawyer.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:05:54am

Just saw two possible tornado alerts, one right at Monterey California. Another at Half Moon Bay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:06:39am

BTW regarding Steve, VB, if you’re rhere, I think you’re thinking of the other Steve. I forget his handle. He wasn’t a Berniebro but definitely not a Hillary fan. RBS is based out of TN IIRC and this guy is from the Philly area. I forget his name though.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:07:38am

credit where credit is due.
littlegreenfootballs.com

FGM is all about males, and unfortunately some females, exercising what they believe to be their right to control women’s bodies. I surmise that if many Christians in America were asked what they think about FGM, they’d say they’re appalled by the practice, but I see little difference between FGM and some Christians’ other attempts to control what we can and cannot do with our own bodies. FGM is a brutal practice but so is telling a woman she can’t abort a child with severe birth defects which would make the child’s life hell, telling her she has to subject herself to an ultrasound before she can get an abortion, or telling her that she has no right of access to certain kinds of birth control. It has been my observation that way too many females have little/no concern about other women——until the same things happen to them. This has to stop. The question is how do we get them to develop compassion for other women, women who are going through things they have no idea about, things that do not touch their own lives in any way? I appreciate what you’re trying to do in informing others about FGM and the other ways many in our society are codifying their anti-women agendas. A politician the other day said that women are “hosts” for pregnancies. Why women in his state aren’t lined up outside his office door is beyond my ability to comprehend. Is it because he’s a RW politician? because he’s a white male? because he identifies as a Christian? None of these excuses what came out of his mouth, a complete degradation of women and a disregard for their intelligence in having the ability to make decisions about their own bodies. Too many males of this sort seem to forget that their moms are women, women who raised them to adulthood to only have them become one of their worst enemies.

from majii —please click the link and upding.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:08:04am

thehill.com
Actually I missed this last week, Chuck Cooper withdrew his name for SG so yes George Conway could still be considered for SG and in that case this would certainly be relevant.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:08:18am

Going to the Indivisible Phoenix meet-up Sunday.

This turnout is great to see!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:09:29am

re: #571 Dr. Matt

And I lost my job as a FEMA camp watchtower guard. What the hell am I supposed to do with 6 pairs of jackboots?!!?

Apply for a job at an illegal immigrant internment camp?

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:09:36am

re: #555 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were both flawed candidates, and the RNC was ready to exploit those flaws up to and beyond the limit of the law

Haven’t seen a perfect human yet!

Bernie just didn’t have the 30 years of Clinton hate the “Vast Rightwing Conspiracy” cooked her in. He really to a degree was an unknown candidate.

What pissed me off was the people that considered themselves Democrats/Progressives/Lefties that bought the whole Clinton baggage bullshit and used it against her. That was letting the Republicans and their media control the damn narrative. And the same people that used her voice against her and let the Big Bill “women issues” be part of the blame Hillary thing too.

And look what we end up with. Plenty of baggage there. Talk about a hard to take “cackling” voice. And what about those women issues???

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:09:46am

re: #591 HappyWarrior

Trump chose someone else. Some hotshot conservative lawyer.

I thought the hotshot withdrew last week

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:11:55am

re: #579 HappyWarrior

I’m saying if he had though, the argument to nominate him based off hypothetical polls was funny though since it’s something those types would hate if it was done to them. To me, I just didn’t think Sanders would make a good President. I appreciated his voting recodr and passion but I didn’t see a President. a President wears many hats as you know and I didn’t see Bernie as someone who could wear all those hats. That as much as his rhetoric could sometimes frustrate me is why I ultimately didn’t support him.

Well, when it comes right down to it, I can’t say whether Bernie Sanders would have made a good president or no. Same with Hillary Clinton (despite executive experience).

The test of a president is when that person becomes president. We’ve had lots of people who were thought would make good presidents and didn’t pan out, and vice versa.

The idea of “he polled well” equating to “he would have won” doesn’t mean a whole lot. (See Hillary Clinton, who polled well against Donald Trump.)

All that aside, there was no question with the people Mr. Trump was surrounding himself with, the things he said on the campaign, and his trail of broken business contracts and bankruptcies would make him a singularly bad president.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:12:41am

re: #582 HappyWarrior

I think VB is mistaken there. I liked Steve too. His stories about his old man were a hoot. Reminded me of my own grandmother who loves watching the SNL cold openings and even Maher even though Bill hates her religious belief system.

Maybe I have him mixed up with some other Steve who was a BernieBro.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:12:42am

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:13:24am

So, in a normal presidency, I’d be playing Warcraft right now. Now I’m becoming a lighweight prepper.

Currently I’m attempting to expand prepping and cooking skills by learning how to dehydrate foods. I found a dehydrator at Dick’s sporting goods, it was enough that a newbie could waste a few bucks on for some experiments AND it was on clearance.

For ease of my first experiment, I’m trying bananas. Those make a good post-workout snack, and should be highly idiot-resistant. (NOTHING IS IDIOT-PROOF, REFER TO 2016 ELECTION)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:14:53am

re: #598 ObserverArt

Haven’t seen a perfect human yet!

Bernie just didn’t have the 30 years of Clinton hate the “Vast Rightwing Conspiracy” cooked her in. He really to a degree was an unknown candidate.

What pissed me off was the people that considered themselves Democrats/Progressives/Lefties that bought the whole Clinton baggage bullshit and used it against her. That was letting the Republicans and their media control the damn narrative. And the same people that used her voice against her and let the Big Bill “women issues” be part of the blame Hillary thing too.

And look what we end up with. Plenty of baggage there. Talk about a hard to take “cackling” voice. And what about those women issues???

I got upset at one of my brothers when he started bellyaching about the hot sauce stuff. He backed off but both of my brothers, younger than me btw fell for the right wing bs on Hillary.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:15:00am

Not sure if this is already posted but new WaPo editorial hire Hugh Hewitt writes a piece about how Trump is just like any other president. Readers then proceed to ‘like’ all of the comments ripping Hewitt to shreds. The ‘most liked’ comments are rewarding. The piece itself is total BS.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:15:28am

Meanwhile back in Pennsylvania, the True Believers love what President Pee Pee is doing. And they want he to be an even bigger asshole than he is already!

Trump supporters see things very differently.

They think the president is off to a fine start, with understandable hiccups given the extent to which he and his people are honest-to-God government outsiders. They echo White House strategist Steve Bannon’s labeling of the media as “the opposition party” and blame the press for trying to tear Trump down. They see the protesters as petulant malcontents and repeat Trump’s accusation that some of them are surely getting paid to demonstrate.

theguardian.com

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:16:04am

No more Molopoly Thimble.

Now my list is complete.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:16am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

BTW regarding Steve, VB, if you’re rhere, I think you’re thinking of the other Steve. I forget his handle. He wasn’t a Berniebro but definitely not a Hillary fan. RBS is based out of TN IIRC and this guy is from the Philly area. I forget his name though.

Steve McGhazi or something. He’s been in and out over the past few weeks.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:17am

re: #605 stpaulbear

Not sure if this is already posted but new WaPo editorial hire Hugh Hewitt

offs, Wash Post.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:41am

re: #603 I cannot.

So, in a normal presidency, I’d be playing Warcraft right now. Now I’m becoming a lighweight prepper.

Currently I’m attempting to expand prepping and cooking skills by learning how to dehydrate foods. I found a dehydrator at Dick’s sporting goods, it was enough that a newbie could waste a few bucks on for some experiments AND it was on clearance.

For ease of my first experiment, I’m trying bananas. Those make a good post-workout snack, and should be highly idiot-resistant. (NOTHING IS IDIOT-PROOF, REFER TO 2016 ELECTION)

Home canning will serve you well, and it’s fairly easy (I’ve been doing it since I was a child).

And cars work as dehydrators as well (since you already own the car, it’s free), and it makes your car smell better. Just lay out whatever fruit you want to dehydrate on a cookie sheet in your car, park it in the sun, viola.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:17:46am

re: #600 Anymouse

Well, when it comes right down to it, I can’t say whether Bernie Sanders would have made a good president or no. Same with Hillary Clinton (despite executive experience).

The test of a president is when that person becomes president. We’ve had lots of people who were thought would make good presidents and didn’t pan out, and vice versa.

The idea of “he polled well” equating to “he would have won” doesn’t mean a whole lot. (See Hillary Clinton, who polled well against Donald Trump.)

All that aside, there was no question with the people Mr. Trump was surrounding himself with, the things he said on the campaign, and his trail of broken business contracts and bankruptcies would make him a singularly bad president.

Oh I know but my perceptions of them as candidates definitely shaped how I thought they may do as President. It wasn’t that Hillary had a lot of unique experience. It was I think she was better at the non-policy side of the job, bringing a good team together. I think Hillary was the type of candidate who had a great idea of who she wanted for many positions. I didn’t see that with Sanders TBH with you, I think Sanders wouldn’t have had an as strong cabinet as she. In the end, we’ll never know, so it’s pointless to me to argue and turn every election in the coming years into a Sanders v Clinton proxy battle as I am seeing with the Bros and Broettes in the DNC chair race

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:18:28am

re: #601 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe I have him mixed up with some other Steve who was a BernieBro.

I think you are honestly because I remember vividly there was another Steve that definitely did get his share of downdings this pats year. It wasn’t RBS though.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:18:29am

re: #567 Shiplord Kirel

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:19:33am

re: #612 HappyWarrior

I think you are honestly because I remember vividly there was another Steve that definitely did get his share of downdings this pats year. It wasn’t RBS though.

McGhazi got a ton of dings that week when he mixed it up with Teleskiguy, IIRC.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:20:35am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Oh I know but my perceptions of them as candidates definitely shaped how I thought they may do as President. It wasn’t that Hillary had a lot of unique experience. It was I think she was better at the non-policy side of the job, bringing a good team together. I think Hillary was the type of candidate who had a great idea of who she wanted for many positions. I didn’t see that with Sanders TBH with you, I think Sanders wouldn’t have had an as strong cabinet as she. In the end, we’ll never know, so it’s pointless to me to argue and turn every election in the coming years into a Sanders v Clinton proxy battle as I am seeing with the Bros and Broettes in the DNC chair race

Agreed, and the whole argument of “is Clinton or Sanders” better is moot anyway, since they both lost.

The argument needs to be “why did they lose and how can we fix that going forward?”

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:22:06am

from Teen Vogue
The FBI Just Released a Nearly 400-Page Report on Donald Trump’s Alleged Housing Discrimination

In the midst of accusations during Black History Month that President Donald Trump doesn’t understand issues that affect black communities, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released documents from a 1973 civil rights case that alleged that Trump and his father discriminated against black rental applicants trying to live on their properties.

On Wednesday, the FBI made 389 pages of documents available from their investigation in the 1970s of Trump Management Company, a real estate business Trump ran with his father, Fred Trump. In 1973, the Department of Justice brought a civil rights lawsuit against Trump and his father after it was alleged that they were discriminating against African-American and Puerto Rican rental applicants and trying to steer them away from applying for apartment units. According to The Hill, the probe took place from 1972 to 1974, and it was one of the largest of its kind at the time.

What did the FBI find? According to The Hill, while most applicants and Trump employees whom the FBI interviewed said they hadn’t noticed any discrimination or been discriminated against, some individuals offered anecdotes about the alleged prejudice that took place.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:22:25am

re: #614 makeitstop

McGhazi got a ton of dings that week when he mixed it up with Teleskiguy, IIRC.

Didn’t a couple of his comments get deleted this week or last?

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:23:28am

If this is true, and holds, it’s the best sign yet the US may yet be able to avoid going full fascist:

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:23:40am

re: #609 Sir John Barron

offs, Wash Post.

Clicks, baby!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:23:57am

I just checked the FB page for the dive shop where RBS works.
There’s a picture of him from February 1, so he must just be really busy there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:24:09am

re: #606 Joe Bacon

Meanwhile back in Pennsylvania, the True Believers love what President Pee Pee is doing. And they want he to be an even bigger asshole than he is already!

Trump supporters see things very differently.

They think the president is off to a fine start, with understandable hiccups given the extent to which he and his people are honest-to-God government outsiders. They echo White House strategist Steve Bannon’s labeling of the media as “the opposition party” and blame the press for trying to tear Trump down. They see the protesters as petulant malcontents and repeat Trump’s accusation that some of them are surely getting paid to demonstrate.

theguardian.com

Our families are from the same part of PA. Really honestly makes me sad seeing how many people have fallen for this con man. What’s been killing me is I honestly don’t know how my mom’s dad would have responded to Trump. Staunch Democrat but he hated Obama (he died a couple weeks before Obama officially became President), hated NAFTA, and was never too fond of the Clintons. I like to think he would have seen Trump for the con man he was but he was also a sentimental type and I’m afraid he would have loved that Melania was from his parents’ home country and ignored Trump’s fucked upness. Then again, he always did tell my brothers and I about greed so maybe he would have but that’s been killing me to think about. I never would have stopped loving him if he had supported Trump but I won’t lie, I would have lost respect.

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:24:37am

re: #614 makeitstop

McGhazi got a ton of dings that week when he mixed it up with Teleskiguy, IIRC.

And he stepped over the line with Charles here over the past couple of weeks and got himself suspended.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:24:43am

In other wingnuttery, in the category of “we don’t feed children, we build idols”:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:24:44am

re: #608 makeitstop

Steve McGhazi or something. He’s been in and out over the past few weeks.

YES1 I believe that’s who VB is thinking of. Steve wasn’t a BB but he could be a bit abrasive when talking about the emails to some.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:04am

re: #617 Timothy Watson

Didn’t a couple of his comments get deleted this week or last?

I haven’t seen him around in the last couple of weeks, but it’s entirely possible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:18am

re: #614 makeitstop

McGhazi got a ton of dings that week when he mixed it up with Teleskiguy, IIRC.

Yeah that dude.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:41am
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:43am

re: #610 Anymouse

Home canning will serve you well, and it’s fairly easy (I’ve been doing it since I was a child).

And cars work as dehydrators as well (since you already own the car, it’s free), and it makes your car smell better. Just lay out whatever fruit you want to dehydrate on a cookie sheet in your car, park it in the sun, viola.

You can also dehydrate in an oven. Turn the heat down as low as it possibly goes…depending on what you are making it takes up to 24 hours. If you can’t get down to like 150 or so, turn it as low as it goes and crack the oven door.

Turn over whatever you are making when the tops look dry enough, so the bottoms dry up well. You can turn as often as needed.

I dried some peppers that way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:47am

re: #615 Anymouse

Agreed, and the whole argument of “is Clinton or Sanders” better is moot anyway, since they both lost.

The argument needs to be “why did they lose and how can we fix that going forward?”

Exactly, where do we move forward and how do we learn from past mistakes.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:25:48am
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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:06am

re: #622 TedStriker

And he stepped over the line with Charles here over the past couple of weeks and got himself suspended.

Ah. Must have missed that.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:26am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

BTW regarding Steve, VB, if you’re rhere, I think you’re thinking of the other Steve. I forget his handle. He wasn’t a Berniebro but definitely not a Hillary fan. RBS is based out of TN IIRC and this guy is from the Philly area. I forget his name though.

You mean the recently ejected RNSteve (can’t remember exact handle he was using)? He pissed Charles off big time a little over a week or so ago. He liked to be a contrarian…regarding just about everything. I think he liked to argue for the sake of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:46am

re: #608 makeitstop

Steve McGhazi or something. He’s been in and out over the past few weeks.

Pretty sure he got booted not too long ago.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:54am

re: #605 stpaulbear

Not sure if this is already posted but new WaPo editorial hire Hugh Hewitt writes a piece about how Trump is just like any other president. Readers then proceed to ‘like’ all of the comments ripping Hewitt to shreds. The ‘most liked’ comments are rewarding. The piece itself is total BS.

Time to once again post my encounter with Hugh “The Greatest RepubliKKKlan Asskisser Of All Time” Hewitt!

I’ve seen Hugh Hewitt in person. He’s even MORE of an arrogant asshole in person than he comes off of on TV. Back when he was co hosting a show on KCET here in Los Angeles he just happened to come into the Sizzler on 4th & Vermont when I was there. He had his toady with him. Ol’ Bullshittin’ Hugh gave his order in his booming voice. Then he sat at the table while his toady fixed his salad plate for him and got him his DYYYYYEEETTTT Pepsi.

I already had the urge to go to Rite-Aid and get a bottle of Mylanta the minute that ass entered the place. But no, I decided I would do my damnedest to try and finish eating. Well then the poor waitress brought His Ass Holey-ness his Steak & Malibu Chicken combo and placed it in front of him and then—just like every other stuffed shirt right wing Xtian—ol’ Hugh opened his mouth to pray for JC and his Sonshine Band to bless his steak and Malibu Chicken combo. And out of that mouth came EVERY right wing talking point about how JC had blessed the goofball gasbag. He wouldn’t shutup.

Then came a most treasured moment when sane rational people who were also fed up with his bullshit started to yell at him to shut up. Didn’t stop him from yelling over them about how his “free-DUMB of Religion was being suppressed”

It was glorious.

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I cannot.  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:57am

re: #610 Anymouse

OK, first thing I learned, this dehydrator has LOT more room than it seemed like, second thing, I probably should have sliced the bananas thinner. Filing this for future reference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:26:59am

re: #617 Timothy Watson

Didn’t a couple of his comments get deleted this week or last?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:27:43am

re: #620 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just checked the FB page for the dive shop where RBS works.
There’s a picture of him from February 1, so he must just be really busy there.

Oh okay, that’s good. He’s a good guy. McGhazi honestly isn’t a bad guy eithe.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:28:01am

re: #622 TedStriker

And he stepped over the line with Charles here over the past couple of weeks and got himself suspended.

Holy shit. I missed that.

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:28:08am

re: #498 Shiplord Kirel

Suspect in North Korea killing ‘thought she was taking part in TV prank’

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:28:09am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:29:32am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

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re: #632 ObserverArt

You mean the recently ejected RNSteve (can’t remember exact handle he was using)? He pissed Charles off big time a little over a week or so ago. He liked to be a contrarian…regarding just about everything. I think he liked to argue for the sake of it.

Yeah, I saw some of the aftermath, didn’t know he was suspended.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:30:02am

re: #625 makeitstop

I haven’t seen him around in the last couple of weeks, but it’s entirely possible.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:30:02am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:30:11am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:30:30am

re: #640 FormerDirtDart

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:30:32am

re: #608 makeitstop

Steve McGhazi or something. He’s been in and out over the past few weeks.

Yeah…out for good now I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:31:17am

re: #632 ObserverArt

You mean the recently ejected RNSteve (can’t remember exact handle he was using)? He pissed Charles off big time a little over a week or so ago. He liked to be a contrarian…regarding just about everything. I think he liked to argue for the sake of it.

Yeah I am just hearing now he got banned. It probably happened while I was working at the office. He definitely was a bit of a contrarian and he had this weird idea about destroying the GOP by getting all of us to register as Republicans.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:31:52am

re: #621 HappyWarrior

Our families are from the same part of PA. Really honestly makes me sad seeing how many people have fallen for this con man. What’s been killing me is I honestly don’t know how my mom’s dad would have responded to Trump. Staunch Democrat but he hated Obama (he died a couple weeks before Obama officially became President), hated NAFTA, and was never too fond of the Clintons. I like to think he would have seen Trump for the con man he was but he was also a sentimental type and I’m afraid he would have loved that Melania was from his parents’ home country and ignored Trump’s fucked upness. Then again, he always did tell my brothers and I about greed so maybe he would have but that’s been killing me to think about. I never would have stopped loving him if he had supported Trump but I won’t lie, I would have lost respect.

I often wonder the same thing. My dad (and mom) were staunch democrats. That said, they grew up in a different era (my dad was born in 1907) and when I was in college I was friends with a black girl and my dad was none too happy. I couldn’t really tell if it was that she was black or that she lived in a pretty bad part of Chicago, but he was really, really unhappy when we would hang out.

I have wondered about this several times over the years. Would he have been brainwashed by Fox News? How would he have taken to an Obama or H. Clinton presidency? Honestly, I am glad I never had to find out.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:31:58am

re: #639 Interesting Times

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The assassin’s LOL t-shirt was the perfect finishing touch (and finished he was).

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:32:40am

re: #641 Timothy Watson

Private portion edited so it actually makes sense now.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:32:53am

re: #597 Big Beautiful Door

Apply for a job at an illegal immigrant internment camp?

Bingo!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:33:39am

re: #641 Timothy Watson

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:33:50am

re: #642 HappyWarrior

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:34:20am

re: #630 lawhawk

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:35:19am

re: #631 makeitstop

Ah. Must have missed that.

You didn’t miss anything, I assure you.

It was kinda sad, really. Not something that needed witnessing, IMHO.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:36:14am

re: #605 stpaulbear

Not sure if this is already posted but new WaPo editorial hire Hugh Hewitt writes a piece about how Trump is just like any other president. Readers then proceed to ‘like’ all of the comments ripping Hewitt to shreds. The ‘most liked’ comments are rewarding. The piece itself is total BS.

First comment: “Really a good effort at trying to normalize a malignant tumor. “

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:37:28am

re: #648 MsJ

I often wonder the same thing. My dad (and mom) were staunch democrats. That said, they grew up in a different era (my dad was born in 1907) and when I was in college I was friends with a black girl and my dad was none too happy. I couldn’t really tell if it was that she was black or that she lived in a pretty bad part of Chicago, but he was really, really unhappy when we would hang out.

I have wondered about this several times over the years. Would he have been brainwashed by Fox News? How would he have taken to an Obama or H. Clinton presidency? Honestly, I am glad I never had to find out.

Yeah my maternal grandfather was much the same way. He was upset with my mom like your Dad was when mom befriended a black girl. At the same time though, he didn’t object to being Richard Loving’s foreman while the Lovings awaited word on their case. He wasn’t a KKK/Neo Nazi or even an alt-right type racist but he definitely had prejudices. Then again, his wife, my grandma and only survivign grandparent has grown to like Obama a lot since then so maybe he would have been okay. My dad’s parents were gone by Obama’s election and my Dad’s Dad even by Reagan’s time but Dad’s mom loved HRC and their liberalism was probably more closer to what I practice than my mom’s parents though I have some of mom’s folks blue collar edge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:37:31am

re: #645 Big Beautiful Door

Fake poll. Only true poll, Rasmussen, shows Trump at 55% job approval!/

I’m thinking what yesterday’s presser really needed was a laugh track. Trump says, …”a new Rasmussen poll came out a short while ago, [chuckles]and it has our approval rating at 55 percent and going up.[sustained laughter]

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:37:38am

re: #656 Skip Intro

First comment: “Really a good effort at trying to normalize a malignant tumor. “

Is the malignant tumor Trump or Hewitt? //

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:37:57am

re: #648 MsJ

Did y’all only hang in her bad part of town?

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weave  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:37:59am

re: #640 FormerDirtDart

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But Rasmussen has him up to 55% and climbing!

HIGH ENERGY!!!!!!

/s

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:38:12am

re: #640 FormerDirtDart

Trump down to 38% in Gallup, in first poll entirely post-Flynn pic.twitter.com

— Nate Cohn

It’s the new normal.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:38:25am

re: #653 Stanley Sea

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:38:50am

re: #659 Hecuba’s daughter

Is the malignant tumor Trump or Hewitt? //

Yes.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:39:17am

re: #640 FormerDirtDart

“But I won with 306 EVs! Huge!”

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:06am

I have the headache from hell

bbl

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:07am

re: #652 HappyWarrior

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:15am

Did Drump hire another cheering section?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:39am

re: #666 Birth Control Works

I have the headache from hell

bbl

Cuddle up with feral girl?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:44am
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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:40:56am

It’d be physically impossible to not drag US citizens into this perversity. We saw it with stop and frisk, and that too was almost entirely confined to minority communities. Nearly all of the stop and frisks turn up nothing, but it’s touted as a success. Just ignore the discrimination involved.

Even if NG turns out only in minority communities, the vast majority of those it stops will end up being US citizens.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:41:23am
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:41:51am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Was being foreman voluntary?

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:42:24am

re: #671 lawhawk

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It’d be physically impossible to not drag US citizens into this perversity. We saw it with stop and frisk, and that too was almost entirely confined to minority communities. Nearly all of the stop and frisks turn up nothing, but it’s touted as a success. Just ignore the discrimination involved.

Even if NG turns out only in minority communities, the vast majority of those it stops will end up being US citizens.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:42:47am

re: #672 Anymouse

Christie would get down on all fours and eat table scraps to get a pardon from Trump.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:43:06am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:43:13am

“…At the end of 2016, more than 120 separate cases pertaining to eminent-domain seizures for the fence were still active in the U.S. court system. In 2009 the Department of Homeland Security inspector general issued a report that noted, “Acquiring real property from non-federal owners is a costly, time-consuming process requiring negotiations and sometimes condemnation.”

The cost of paying landowners “fair market value” is often higher than estimated. In building the border fence, Reuters reported, the U.S. government ended up paying $4.7 million for one developer’s land when the initial offer was $233,000. It shelled out $1 million to the Sierra Club after originally proposing $114,000 for another parcel.

The high cost is a feature, not a bug. The Fifth Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, and while it recognizes the government’s authority to condemn land, its purpose is to protect property owners from confiscation…”

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:43:27am

re: #636 HappyWarrior

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:43:29am
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:44:42am

re: #677 FormerDirtDart

Oh hey Jeb!! Interesting timing bud.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:44:51am

re: #677 FormerDirtDart

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:45:27am

Yep, the NORK regime itself had to be responsible for the Kim Jong Nam assassination.

Besides the obvious incentive, nobody else with their own posse of secret agents would be sick enough to inject that kind of irony and humor into a political murder.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:45:39am

The Trump administration is fucking with the media, and the Russians just snicker. They are getting everything they ever wanted and more, thanks to Trump and the Putin puppets.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:45:55am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Yeah my maternal grandfather was much the same way. He was upset with my mom like your Dad was when mom befriended a black girl. At the same time though, he didn’t object to being Richard Loving’s foreman while the Lovings awaited word on their case. He wasn’t a KKK/Neo Nazi or even an alt-right type racist but he definitely had prejudices. Then again, his wife, my grandma and only survivign grandparent has grown to like Obama a lot since then so maybe he would have been okay. My dad’s parents were gone by Obama’s election and my Dad’s Dad even by Reagan’s time but Dad’s mom loved HRC and their liberalism was probably more closer to what I practice than my mom’s parents though I have some of mom’s folks blue collar edge.

My dad never would have been KKK or NN. And he wasn’t a hateful person. He came to America when he was a young child (in something like 1912). We had more family killed in the Holocaust than survived as the vast majority of both sides of my fathers family tree stayed in Europe.

That said, prejudices come with that age. He didn’t like MLK, thought he was an agitator. I was pretty young at that time so it’s not like we had in-depth discussions about racism; I was simply too young. I never heard much from my mother on either side so if she had racist ideas, she never expressed them (and for the record, my mom was born in like 1897 and was 10 years older than my dad. FYI, my dad was my biological grandfather who adopted me when I was born, hence the big age difference between my mom and dad and myself.)

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:46:00am

re: #637 HappyWarrior

Oh okay, that’s good. He’s a good guy. McGhazi honestly isn’t a bad guy eithe.

It doesn’t help to directly indirectly attack our host Charles like he did.

And with that…later, got stuffs to do and then music night. I’ll be a lurking!

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CongoJack  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:46:22am

re: #623 Anymouse

In other wingnuttery, in the category of “we don’t feed children, we build idols”:

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Fuck that creationist shit. Bill Nye destroyed that idiot on his home court. Why cant he take his shit out to Australia (where he is from) and go fuck a wallaby. Interesting that the “pre-flood” people look to have already gone through the bronze age and looks quite romanesque. I went to Catholic school from K-12 - the nuns I had didnt believe in creationism and taught freaking evolution (FYI - I am currently an atheist).

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:47:35am

re: #620 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just checked the FB page for the dive shop where RBS works.
There’s a picture of him from February 1, so he must just be really busy there.

I thought Charles banned him for attacking him.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:47:40am

re: #660 JordanRules

Did y’all only hang in her bad part of town?

No. We hung out at and around school, too. I had a car and they didn’t (her and her boyfriend). Both of them were a couple of the nicest people I have ever known. Her mom, too. That said, they did live in the projects and I got some …interesting… comments from the locals a few times. I quit going to her house shortly thereafter, but we remained friends for some time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:48:38am

re: #667 Timothy Watson

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:49:28am

re: #676 lawhawk

smacking. head. on. desk.

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:49:36am

I was the one who mixed up Big Steve with Reality Based Steve. Looks like everyone’s doing it now. I’m a trendsetter!

All names and faces look familiar to me, whether they are or not. And then lizards change their nics. Please, keep the same avi if you do that! Only change one at a time. I’m going to do an avi-reversion soon, but I’ve never done a nic change. Better not try it now, I won’t know who is at my keyboard.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:49:37am
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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:49:41am

re: #683 lawhawk

The Trump administration is fucking with the media, and the Russians just snicker. They are getting everything they ever wanted and more, thanks to Trump and the Putin puppets.

Once again, Trump doesn’t realize what he’s bringing. Bush and company knew how to control a press: Never leave them out your sight. Keep them in the room, answer the questions with a different answer.

Trump, by doing this, is only encouraging them to dig. By the end of the year, there will be one reporter per worker in DC.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:49:51am

re: #678 ObserverArt

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:50:07am

re: #690 MsJ

smacking. head. on. desk.

Wear a helmet.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:50:08am

Rumoured but now confirmed, on-line military exchange privileges to be extended to all honourably discharged veterans:

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Sir John Barron  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:50:11am

re: #683 lawhawk

The article just says this—

Tillerson began his opening remarks, and that’s when things went off course. The US Secretary of State only managed to say that he was also glad to meet his Russian counterpart when the US delegation signaled the media to leave the room, Russian media reported.

Nothing about Russia media “snickering”. Also not sure why media would have been ushered out. Didn’t sound like a serious meeting.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:50:23am

Emails? Who gives a shit about emails? Not the GOP when it’s one of their own.

Senate OKs Pruitt at EPA: How deeply will he scale back agency he sued?

sanluisobispo.com

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:52:45am

Charles Pierce really has a way with words.

Senator Tom Cotton, the bobble-throated slapdick pen pal of the Iranian mullahs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:52:49am

re: #684 MsJ

My dad never would have been KKK or NN. And he wasn’t a hateful person. He came to America when he was a young child (in something like 1912). We had more family killed in the Holocaust than survived as the vast majority of both sides of my fathers family tree stayed in Europe.

That said, prejudices come with that age. He didn’t like MLK, thought he was an agitator. I was pretty young at that time so it’s not like we had in-depth discussions about racism; I was simply too young. I never heard much from my mother on either side so if she had racist ideas, she never expressed them (and for the record, my mom was born in like 1897 and was 10 years older than my dad. FYI, my dad was my biological grandfather who adopted me when I was born, hence the big age difference between my mom and dad and myself.)

I was wondering about that. Didn’t know your biological grandparents raised you. But yeah, my grandfather sounds a lot like your Dad. He wasn’t an immigrant but his parents were. And he too had some family killed in Nazi Europe. Not the Holocaust, just the Nazis being dicks to the Slovenes. I think Grandpa was a man with flaws and a man of his upbringing and generation. i am still proud to be named after him but he was a complicated man. He told my closest brother and I towards the end of his life had he been drafted again, he would have gone to Canada.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:52:51am

re: #689 HappyWarrior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:53:18am

re: #687 Skip Intro

I thought Charles banned him for attacking him.

different Steve

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Skandal  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:53:21am

re: #698 Skip Intro

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:53:22am

re: #685 ObserverArt

It doesn’t help to directly indirectly attack our host Charles like he did.

And with that…later, got stuffs to do and then music night. I’ll be a lurking!

I didn’t see that part. In that case, yeah I don’t feel bad he’s gone. Charles has always been a fair but firm host.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:54:21am

re: #688 MsJ

Thanks, I am just trying to figure out how being from a bad neighborhood would be grounds for disapproval. I guess that could equate to being from a bad family or putting you at risk in other ways, in your Dad’s eyes, but I’m hurting my neck making that stretch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:55:14am

re: #697 Sir John Barron

The article just says this—

Nothing about Russia media “snickering”. Also not sure why media would have been ushered out. Didn’t sound like a serious meeting.

“Are they gone? Door shut? Okay - look, do you guys want Flynn?”

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:55:20am

re: #691 wrenchwench

I was the one who mixed up Big Steve with Reality Based Steve. Looks like everyone’s doing it now. I’m a trendsetter!

All names and faces look familiar to me, whether they are or not. And then lizards change their nics. Please, keep the same avi if you do that! Only change one at a time. I’m going to do an avi-reversion soon, but I’ve never done a nic change. Better not try it now, I won’t know who is at my keyboard.

Don’t feel bad, happens to me a lot too.

I use my real name to post, but I’ve been posting on the internet for almost a decade now using my real name (blog, Twitter, etc.), not much I can do about it at this point.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:56:09am

re: #702 Backwoods_Sleuth

different Steve

Can’t tell the players without a program.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:56:15am

re: #691 wrenchwench

I was the one who mixed up Big Steve with Reality Based Steve. Looks like everyone’s doing it now. I’m a trendsetter!

Always ahead of the curve, you are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:56:52am

re: #701 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:57:28am

re: #709 makeitstop

Always ahead of the curve, you are.

Master Yoda? Is that you?
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:57:45am

re: #683 lawhawk

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The Trump administration is fucking with the media, and the Russians just snicker. They are getting everything they ever wanted and more, thanks to Trump and the Putin puppets.

Meh. Russia Today. Pass.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:57:48am

re: #708 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t tell the players without a program.

I can’t even remember the first ten appalling things Trump did yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:57:54am

re: #707 Timothy Watson

Don’t feel bad, happens to me a lot too.

I use my real name to post, but I’ve been posting on the internet for almost a decade now using my real name (blog, Twitter, etc.), not much I can do about it at this point.

I used to use my real name but I got paranoid heh. I have a much more uncommon last name than you so I’m fucked heh but it hasn’t cost me except some embarrassment when my youngest brother googled me.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:58:22am

re: #705 JordanRules

Thanks, I am just trying to figure out how being from a bad neighborhood would be grounds for disapproval. I guess that could equate to being from a bad family or putting you at risk in other ways, in your Dad’s eyes, but I’m hurting my neck making that stretch.

I could regale you with stories about how my parents are still treated like crap by other local white people because my dad’s family was dirt-poor and my mom’s family had a comfortable living but wasn’t upper crust.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:58:39am

re: #703 Skandal

I have the idea in my head for a new “First they came” poem that will end with “And then they came for my Social Security, but I was too sick to fight back.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:59:05am

AnonAnonMom is another though I think I saw her fairly recently. She’s actually the olny Lizard I’ve ever emailed since her husband was having a problem and I felt I could help because I had some experience. Plus, I hit it off with her because her son has ASD too.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:59:12am

SteelPH hasn’t been around lately.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:59:42am

re: #713 Skip Intro

I can’t even remember the first ten appalling things Trump did yesterday.

I’ve seen at least 3 compilations of the weirdest/worst/craziest things Trump said in his presser.

“Number 5 will shock you!”

Well, to be fair, they didn’t say that. But it’s almost getting to that point.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 10:59:43am

re: #718 Amory Blaine

SteelPH hasn’t been around lately.

Another one. Yeah.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:00:04am

re: #715 Timothy Watson

You are very right and I gave less credence to that possibility than I should have.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:00:52am

re: #704 HappyWarrior

I didn’t see that part. In that case, yeah I don’t feel bad he’s gone. Charles has always been a fair but firm host.

Mr. Johnson put up with me until I screwed my head on straight. Mr. Johnson is very patient. To eject someone from here (based on my experience when I first got here) would have really taken concerted effort to fray his last nerve.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:01:20am

re: #717 HappyWarrior

I miss Mom. She’s one of my favorite Lizards.

re: #718 Amory Blaine

I think Steel let people know he was going to lay low for a while.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:02:10am

re: #691 wrenchwench

I was the one who mixed up Big Steve with Reality Based Steve. Looks like everyone’s doing it now. I’m a trendsetter!

All names and faces look familiar to me, whether they are or not. And then lizards change their nics. Please, keep the same avi if you do that! Only change one at a time. I’m going to do an avi-reversion soon, but I’ve never done a nic change. Better not try it now, I won’t know who is at my keyboard.

You see, that’s why Mr. Johnson provided that little avatar thingie on the upper left of posts, so we all don’t look like comments. /s

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:02:54am

re: #723 makeitstop

I miss Mom. She’s one of my favorite Lizards.

I think Steel let people know he was going to lay low for a while.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:04:37am

re: #715 Timothy Watson

I could regale you with stories about how my parents are still treated like crap by other local white people because my dad’s family was dirt-poor and my mom’s family had a comfortable living but wasn’t upper crust.

I wonder if there was any of that with my dad’s mom when she married my grandfather. They went to the same HS but they were from different socio-economic backgrounds. I asked my Dad about my one uncle and he said, nice guy but a bit more snobby or maybe he used th word aloof than his Dad. From what I understand, Dad’s paternal grandparents, aunts, and uncle were German and well to do while Dad’s maternal grandfather (his maternal grandmother passed away when my Dad’s Mom was really young), aunts, and uncle were Irish and not as well off. I mean I’m sure my Dad’s grandaprents loved my Grandmother but Dad told me that he felt his mom was always a little bothered by the fact that her brother in law got to attend law school while my dad’s dad never did. And I definitely think although she’ll tell you otherwise, my mom has a bit of a chip on her shoulder dealing with my Dad even since she came from a working class family.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:05:45am

re: #723 makeitstop

I miss Mom. She’s one of my favorite Lizards.

I think Steel let people know he was going to lay low for a while.

Mom is a very nice lady. I was happy that I could help her out. She was saying her son has done better and made friends since he got his job. Awesome to see. Hope she’s doing well. I think you’re right about SteelPH.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:06:59am

re: #648 MsJ

I often wonder the same thing. My dad (and mom) were staunch democrats. That said, they grew up in a different era (my dad was born in 1907) and when I was in college I was friends with a black girl and my dad was none too happy. I couldn’t really tell if it was that she was black or that she lived in a pretty bad part of Chicago, but he was really, really unhappy when we would hang out.

I have wondered about this several times over the years. Would he have been brainwashed by Fox News? How would he have taken to an Obama or H. Clinton presidency? Honestly, I am glad I never had to find out.

I feel the same way as my fellow Pennsylvanians do about this. It broke my heart when I read this article in the New York Times about my home town of Ambridge PA getting seduced by that fucking BunKKKo Artist. Now the home town I grew up in is hard core Gay Hating, Anti-abortion hotbed of brainwashed Rush Limbaugh addicts…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:07:43am

re: #722 Anymouse

Mr. Johnson put up with me until I screwed my head on straight. Mr. Johnson is very patient. To eject someone from here (based on my experience when I first got here) would have really taken concerted effort to fray his last nerve.

Yeah I’ve been on political forums before where the host is quite happy to ban. I can honestly think of only a handful of regulars that have been banned during my time here.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:09:15am

re: #730 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve been on political forums before where the host is quite happy to ban. I can honestly think of only a handful of regulars that have been banned during my time here.

Yeah, we manage to self-police pretty well.

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:09:24am

re: #707 Timothy Watson

Don’t feel bad, happens to me a lot too.

I use my real name to post, but I’ve been posting on the internet for almost a decade now using my real name (blog, Twitter, etc.), not much I can do about it at this point.

I should be happy that I can remember that I made the mix-up. The common phrase is, ‘You don’t know what you got ‘til it’s gone.’ But I’ve seen lately that you don’t know what’s gone until it starts to come back.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:10:35am

re: #731 Timothy Watson

Yep, one of the great things about this place. On the flip side trolls are gone quickly and I appreciate that even more!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:11:01am

re: #729 Joe Bacon

I feel the same way as my fellow Pennsylvanians do about this. It broke my heart when I read this article in the New York Times about my home town of Ambridge PA getting seduced by that fucking BunKKKo Artist. Now the home town I grew up in is hard core Gay Hating, Anti-abortion hotbed of brainwashed Rush Limbaugh addicts…

nytimes.com

It just boggles one’s mind doesn’t it Joe? These people or at least the older generation actually didn’t fall for Nixon and Reagan but somehow Trump got them. I’ll always be a proud grandson of Western PA but I hate that the optimism, hard-work, and dreams for a better future for their descendants that my family members there once had have been replaced with cynicism, resentments, and not wanting to share the same American dream that their ancestors wanted to with the descendants of the original Western PA residents. I hate seeing that my great aunt’s children and grandchildren are all staunch Republican voters. Abortion does play a big role in that I know.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:11:40am

re: #731 Timothy Watson

Yeah, we manage to self-police pretty well.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:14:40am

Really Cambria County where my mom’s folks are from went for frigging Mondale overwhelmingly but went for Trump overwhelmingly too. A lot is made about the Reagan Democrats but he didn’t get all of them. And I guess I do understand why we want to get those voters back, those are literally my kin in many a case but at the same time, we have to acknowledge that their resentments towards the Dems are not the national Democratic Party’s fault. It’s not the National Democratic Party’s fault that these people have chosen to embrace a staunchly anti-workers party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:15:08am

Continue conversation upstairs guys?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:15:15am

re: #735 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:16:32am

re: #738 Timothy Watson

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:16:35am

re: #666 Birth Control Works

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:18:37am

re: #739 HappyWarrior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:36:58am

re: #731 Timothy Watson

Yeah, we manage to self-police pretty well.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 17, 2017 • 11:43:03am

re: #623 Anymouse

Is there a diorama that shows infants being killed by the Flood? /////


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