Boehner Doesn’t Give a Fck: Repealing Obamacare Is Just “Happy Talk”

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Now that John Boehner is no longer Speaker of the House, he’s free to tell the truth; the Republican noise about “repealing and replacing Obamacare” is just “happy talk” for the delusional right wing base.

Former House Speaker John Boehner predicted on Thursday that a full repeal and replace of Obamacare is “not going to happen.”

Boehner, who resigned in 2015 amid unrest among conservatives, said at an Orlando health care conference that the idea that a repeal-and-replace plan would blitz through Congress is just “happy talk.”

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336 comments

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:39:08am

“It’s a military operation.”

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:39:32am

That just shows how Trump voters got played, as always.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:39:35am

So, it’s kind of like nuking ISIS or deporting all 11 million ill-eagles?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:40:24am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:41:43am

Well duh. Too bad you didn’t reject the many repeals of ACA on your watch though John.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:42:28am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I dunno - maybe if we get lucky, he’ll defect…..

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:42:40am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Well duh. Too bad you didn’t reject the many repeals of ACA on your watch though John.

That’s what I was going to say. If I recall correctly, John oversaw many attempts by the GOP to repeal the ACA, including at least one lawsuit. He can sit down and be quiet as far as I’m concerned.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:43:19am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:43:27am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:43:32am

sigh….

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:43:36am

I still don’t trust the original orange guy.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:43:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:44:02am

re: #7 Patricia Kayden

That’s what I was going to say. If I recall correctly, John oversaw many attempts by the GOP to repeal the ACA, including at least one lawsuit. He can sit down and be quiet as far as I’m concerned.

Exactly. There’s a term for people who only talk tough about their own side AFTER leaving office:

Coward.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:44:26am

We lost count of how many times the GOP voted in the House to repeal Obamacare on Boehner’s watch. He didn’t mind enabling this crapwich.

His successor Ryan pulled the same crap - with the same results.

Now, with Trump in the White House, all those efforts to repeal have come screeching to a halt, because reality is that repealing Obamacare would be a stupendously bad thing. Not only would it be a huge budget hit - so bad that the GOP scrapped their “plan” because the CBO scoring was horrific:

but that repeal would end up hurting those currently insured and uninsured tremendously. They’d see their out of pocket costs soar, have reduced access to care and coverage, etc.

This is an entirely avoidable shit storm, but for the fact that the GOP is deranged and irrational when it comes to Obamacare. They’ve lost their goddamned minds over Obamacare - which incorporated the GOP’s own signature idea - the individual mandate. They attacked Obamacare on constitutional grounds over that idea, as well as the Medicaid expansion, and all of their efforts have resulted in fewer people getting covered. Those hardest hit? Those living in GOP dominated states that refused to expand Medicaid. Those were also the states that had the highest uninsured rates to begin with, including Texas.

So once again, the GOP lied and people died and that too is an indisputable outcome from all of this - the GOP plans invariably result in fewer people being covered, more restrictions, and more people ending up without coverage or foregoing care because of costs to point that some will become sick and die because of the lack of coverage or the costs (which will also result in a spike in medically induced bankruptcies that have declined since ACA was enacted).

Hospitals will also get screwed in all this, since they’ve seen their indigent care coverage costs decline as more people coming in for care have coverage.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:45:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:45:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:47:59am

re: #14 lawhawk

It’s like when a Chamber of Commerce member pointed out that repealing ACA would have a fatal impact on his business, and Mitch replied “that’s the first I’ve heard of that”.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:48:29am

I missed this.

RIP

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:49:28am

re: #11 (alpuz)

I still don’t trust the original orange guy.

There is a joke in there …just around the corner, I just can’t seem to get it in my field of vision …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:49:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:50:29am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other words they replaced a window with a wall and told us not to worry about what’s on the other side.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:51:27am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s like when a Chamber of Commerce member pointed out that repealing ACA would have a fatal impact on his business, and Mitch replied “that’s the first I’ve heard of that”.

Mitch lies. He knwos ACA isn’t as bad as what he’s made out to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:51:39am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:54:28am

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.

SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.

But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.

tell me this is a parody site.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:55:27am

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

tell me this is a parody site.

Arizona? I wish.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:55:28am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:55:59am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:56:23am
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 11:57:55am
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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:00:32pm

re: #27 Kragar

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:01:29pm

re: #14 lawhawk

We lost count of how many times the GOP voted in the House to repeal Obamacare on Boehner’s watch. He didn’t mind enabling this crapwich.

His successor Ryan pulled the same crap - with the same results.

Now, with Trump in the White House, all those efforts to repeal have come screeching to a halt, because reality is that repealing Obamacare would be a stupendously bad thing. Not only would it be a huge budget hit - so bad that the GOP scrapped their “plan” because the CBO scoring was horrific:

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but that repeal would end up hurting those currently insured and uninsured tremendously. They’d see their out of pocket costs soar, have reduced access to care and coverage, etc.

This is an entirely avoidable shit storm, but for the fact that the GOP is deranged and irrational when it comes to Obamacare. They’ve lost their goddamned minds over Obamacare - which incorporated the GOP’s own signature idea - the individual mandate. They attacked Obamacare on constitutional grounds over that idea, as well as the Medicaid expansion, and all of their efforts have resulted in fewer people getting covered. Those hardest hit? Those living in GOP dominated states that refused to expand Medicaid. Those were also the states that had the highest uninsured rates to begin with, including Texas.

So once again, the GOP lied and people died and that too is an indisputable outcome from all of this - the GOP plans invariably result in fewer people being covered, more restrictions, and more people ending up without coverage or foregoing care because of costs to point that some will become sick and die because of the lack of coverage or the costs (which will also result in a spike in medically induced bankruptcies that have declined since ACA was enacted).

Hospitals will also get screwed in all this, since they’ve seen their indigent care coverage costs decline as more people coming in for care have coverage.

How soon until Republicans flip and say “we listened to the people and we are going to work so hard to fix the ACA and make it betterer than any ol’ Obamacare ever was…and you can thank us for doing this ‘cause we care. Republicans Make America Great!”

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:01:49pm
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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:04:03pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Mike drop there, too!

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:04:16pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

tell me this is a parody sitestate.

Heh./

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:05:33pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

tell me this is a parody site.

It better be, because that is Unconstitutional as fuck.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:05:37pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

Not sure they can carry out that kind of triple lindy pivot. They’ve got their base demanding repeal at all costs (and yeah, it’ll cost alright). They don’t care, and Trump doesn’t care either - as witnessed by Bannon et al demanding destruction of the “administrative state”, which pretty much is how all government works at all levels to administer the law as written.

They’re out to sabotage government at all levels and in all forms, and they’ve got bomb throwers in the key positions.

If they go repeal then replace (at some distant point in the future), the key is to see how the replace differs from the version they just repealed - apples to apples comparisons. The CBO and other health policy groups like KFF had already tried to set things up so that they have to do just that - otherwise the GOP will game things to claim that they’re covering more people (every proposal they’ve suggested wouldn’t cover as many) or cover less, or both.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:05:58pm

Reposting.

This is not all over the news.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:06:05pm

re: #30 Birth Control Works

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Do most women not see this…don’t care…think it’s old fashioned…what???

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:08:09pm

Instagram no longer embeds?

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:08:15pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

Do most women not see this…don’t care…think it’s old fashioned…what???

Most people look at this and think: Only black people have to worry about what people will think.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:09:08pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

Do most women not see this…don’t care…think it’s old fashioned…what???

We saw the Obamas walking hand in hand at the Inauguration, saw POS45 run out of the car and up the stairs by himself. We saw the Obamas greet Melania when he left her standing all by herself. We saw POS45 get into the limo and slam the door in Melania’s face.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:09:42pm

Mmkay. Guy in India registers, immediately posts LGF Page about a wedding photographer in Australia. I’m thinking spam.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:09:48pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

Do most women not see this…don’t care…think it’s old fashioned…what???

Some of the more religious types are all about the “submissive wife” stuff.

However in Trumps case I think it’s a power play i.e. He has set strict boundaries on Melania and god help her if she crosses them.

He’s also a narcissistic dick.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:10:25pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:11:10pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I wondered about that . .

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:11:24pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

I can’t imagine this bill would be constitutional. Seems like there are some substantial prior restraints on free speech, while also violating freedom of assembly..

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:12:48pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

We saw the Obamas walking hand in hand at the Inauguration, saw POS45 run out of the car and up the stairs by himself. We saw the Obamas greet Melania when he left her standing all by herself. We saw POS45 get into the limo and slam the door in Melania’s face.

And…what is the impression it leaves with most women? Do they not care because he is Trump the great businessman and a lot of women would be just fine with his behavior if they too could live in a gilded palace and only have to let him touch them from time to time.

I really do not get it. He is such a cad.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:13:27pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

Do most women not see this…don’t care…think it’s old fashioned…what???

I think women do see it. It shows quite abit about their marriage.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:13:29pm

It’s an interesting approach to spam. Post something that’s almost sort of interesting and hope it doesn’t set off the alarms. Been seeing this more and more; it’s pretty likely this Australian wedding photography company hired some Indian trolls to post it wherever they could.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:14:04pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

And…what is the impression it leaves with most women? Do they not care because he is Trump the great businessman and a lot of women would be just fine with his behavior if they too could live in a gilded palace and only have to let him touch them from time to time.

I really do not get it. He is such a cad.

It shows us that he is an asshole who disrespects women.
Also his entire life history.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:14:26pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:14:31pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

And…what is the impression it leaves with most women? Do they not care because he is Trump the great businessman and a lot of women would be just fine with his behavior if they too could live in a gilded palace and only have to let him touch them from time to time.

I really do not get it. He is such a cad.

He thinks he is king. Surrounds himself with people who are vunerable and want a king.

Reminds me of LBJ a bit in that manner.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:15:12pm

re: #48 Mike Lamb

I can’t imagine this bill would be constitutional. Seems like there are some substantial prior restraints on free speech, while also violating freedom of assembly..

It’s the meth lab of Democracy. The Constitution is merely a suggestion. They enjoy floating ideas that could make it by through error or catastrophe or bad weather or what have you.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:15:41pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:15:58pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

It’s an interesting approach to spam. Post something that’s almost sort of interesting and hope it doesn’t set off the alarms. Been seeing this more and more; it’s pretty likely this Australian wedding photography company hired some Indian trolls to post it wherever they could.

It’s kind of stupid to post these infomercials outside of the local customer base. Does this photographer think he’s (or she’s) going to be flown in to do weddings in North America and Europe?

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:16:05pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:16:52pm

re: #50 Birth Control Works

I think women do see it. It shows quite abit about their marriage.

True. And as a man it shows quite a lot about him.

I would think women would be put-off by him…but they voted for the pussy grabber nonetheless.

I admit…this past two years has me so confused. Heading toward 63 years old and I don’t know what the fuck is going on. Older=wiser? Not today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:17:10pm

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???
Pres. Trump has a “big heart,” @PressSec says of transgender bathrooms, “but he also believes that it’s not a federal government issue.”

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:18:10pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:18:14pm

Lizards in love…

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:18:26pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???
Pres. Trump has a “big heart,” @PressSec says of transgender bathrooms, “but he also believes that it’s not a federal government issue.”

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The only question is, whose heart he has, as well as what other body parts.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:18:36pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:18:45pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:19:47pm

I don’t believe in slavery but it’s not a federal government issue.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:19:51pm

re: #52 The Vicious Babushka

It shows us that he is an asshole who disrespects women.
Also his entire life history.

I understand that VB. I don’t understand how it gets ignored…and that is his entire life history.

Unbeliev…*

No it’s not. It’s fucked up and inexcusable. But somehow it is excused.

*nod to lawhawk.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

True. And as a man it shows quite a lot about him.

I would think women would be put-off by him…but they voted for the pussy grabber nonetheless.

I admit…this past two years has me so confused. Heading toward 63 years old and I don’t know what the fuck is going on. Older=wiser? Not today.

Yeah, I don’t get it either. Neither do I understand the women who marry inmates. Or the ones that still try to defend Drew Peterson, a man they have never met.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:20:49pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???
Pres. Trump has a “big heart,” @PressSec says of transgender bathrooms, “but he also believes that it’s not a federal government issue.”

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Ah! A strong central government is akin to a Monarchy —ala Thomas Jefferson?

What an idiot.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:20:58pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

re: #61 Birth Control Works

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The adaption of the Celtic Cross by Neo-Nazis and whtie supremacists is why I never got one as a tattoo. My eventual tattoo is more unique anyhow and it’s a tribute to both the Irish and American.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:21:53pm

re: #58 Birth Control Works

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I see too many markers around central Ohio. Not good.

I’m getting bummed…need to get to work on something else. Lurk mode on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:22:00pm

re: #66 Nyet

I don’t believe in slavery but it’s not a federal government issue.

Seriously, there are some things that you can say yeah those should be up to the staets and others hell to the no.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:22:53pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???

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The president has a big heart. That doesn’t mean he has to care about people.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:23:05pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???
Pres. Trump has a “big heart,” @PressSec says of transgender bathrooms, “but he also believes that it’s not a federal government issue.”

[Embedded content]

English mofo, do you speak it?

Clearly not.

Reality is that he’s going to enable the “states’ rights” argument that this is an issue best left to the states, when it’s been abundantly clear that the states have no problem abrogating rights and enacting laws that can’t achieve their stated purpose without being discriminatory in fact or in practice, are unenforceable, etc.

That’s why Obama issued guidance at the federal level to try and head off this state-back discrimination against transgendered folks. Obama wasn’t engaging in overreach - it’s the asshats in places like North Carolina who decided that they need to regulate which bathrooms are acceptable making no sense when someone who had transitioned from male to female having to go to the mens’ room while dressed and appearing as a woman, or a female who transitioned to male having to do the opposite - appearing as a man who has to go into a womens’ room.

Because someone has decided they need to check the naughty bits.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:24:00pm
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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:24:05pm

Former House Speaker John Boehner predicted on Thursday that a full repeal and replace of Obamacare is “not going to happen.”

Translation; Go back to sleep.

Me; “Fuck you.”

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:24:32pm

The President has a big heart. Literally. Have a pity on a poor man with cardiomegaly.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:24:32pm

re: #75 lawhawk

English mofo, do you speak it?

Clearly not.

Reality is that he’s going to enable the “states’ rights” argument that this is an issue best left to the states, when it’s been abundantly clear that the states have no problem abrogating rights and enacting laws that can’t achieve their stated purpose without being discriminatory in fact or in practice, are unenforceable, etc.

That’s why Obama issued guidance at the federal level to try and head off this state-back discrimination against transgendered folks. Obama wasn’t engaging in overreach - it’s the asshats in places like North Carolina who decided that they need to regulate which bathrooms are acceptable making no sense when someone who had transitioned from male to female having to go to the mens’ room while dressed and appearing as a woman, or a female who transitioned to male having to do the opposite - appearing as a man who has to go into a womens’ room.

Because someone has decided they need to check the naughty bits.

“All Men Would BE Tyrants if they could”

get ready for each state to be it’s own little feifdom.

calling Joe Arpaio

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:25:03pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:25:51pm

If they states could be trusted to uphold civil rights, we wouldn’t have had a civil war, or a 14th amendment.

But, Trump wants to make America Great again. All the way back to 1850.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:26:06pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Their brains are in the toilet.

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Droid Builder  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:26:18pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

The adaption of the Celtic Cross by Neo-Nazis and whtie supremacists is why I never got one as a tattoo. My eventual tattoo is more unique anyhow and it’s a tribute to both the Irish and American.

Always used to love the tri corner hat from the 1700s then the tea party started wearing them and screwed that up.

Always used to like the man ponytail hair then the hipsters started wearing it in various styles and screwed that up.

Always liked to have a red baseball hat in my collection then Trump had to go and make up that MAGA hat and screwed that up.

Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:26:35pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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It’s just not normal. You can thank Baby Whiplash for some of it though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:26:50pm

re: #81 Birth Control Works

If they states could be trusted to uphold civil rights, we wouldn’t have had a civil war, or a 14th amendment.

But, Trump wants to make America Great again. All the way back to 1850.

BC or AD.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:27:38pm

re: #83 Droid Builder

Always used to love the tri corner hat from the 1700s then the tea party started wearing them and screwed that up.

Always used to like the man ponytail hair then the hipsters started wearing it in various styles and screwed that up.

Always liked to have a red baseball hat in my collection then Trump had to go and make up that MAGA hat and screwed that up.

Sigh.

I don’t let them determine my fashion choices but damn it, it does suck that something as beautiful as a Celtic cross is could be hacked by racist assholes.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:27:40pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:28:07pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

BC or AD.

Before Cthulhu.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:28:08pm

re: #83 Droid Builder

Always used to love the tri corner hat from the 1700s then the tea party started wearing them and screwed that up.

Always used to like the man ponytail hair then the hipsters started wearing it in various styles and screwed that up.

Always liked to have a red baseball hat in my collection then Trump had to go and make up that MAGA hat and screwed that up.

Sigh.

There is always Pink.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:28:29pm

re: #87 Kragar

Defense, SoS…

But he probably just means Labor, Education, Housing, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:28:30pm

re: #87 Kragar

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Yeah we get it Steve, you hate the federal government but you want the federal government racialy profiling people. Go piss off in a oil field, chode.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:28:31pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

BC or AD.

oh, well, that is a good question.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:29:39pm

re: #87 Kragar

If you look at these Cabinet nominees, they were selected for a reason, and that is deconstruction,” Bannon said.

And DT was bitching that Dems were delaying their confirmation. Amazing.

///

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:29:40pm

re: #87 Kragar

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:30:26pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

GOP Idiot: We have to protect kids against men dressing as women and molesting people in bathrooms.

Normals: Uh, there’s like 10 laws that already prohibit that. Transgendered folks just want to go pee.

GOP Idiot: Why don’t you care about the kids?!?

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:30:30pm

re: #87 Kragar

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ya think.

the 14th amendment has been a problem for whackos since it was enacted.

I read lots of stuff about it when I was researching self-defense and the law some years back.

People have been conned into thinking any strong central government will want to confiscate firearms. You kow where that thinking leads …

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:30:42pm

re: #88 Nyet

Before Cthulhu.

definitely!

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:31:48pm

re: #94 lawhawk

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This isn’t Jacques Derrida’s deconstruction, I suppose.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:31:57pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Reposting.

This is not all over the news.

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The shooter was initially described as a “white male in his 60s.” He is actually 51. Character shows, at least in this case.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:31:58pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:31:58pm

Poor Glenn.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:32:05pm

re: #95 Mike Lamb

GOP Idiot: We have to protect kids against men dressing as women and molesting people in bathrooms.

Normals: Uh, there’s like 10 laws that already prohibit that. Transgendered folks just want to go pee.

GOP Idiot: Why don’t you care about the kids?!?

Other thing but haven’t thse idiots hever heard of unisex bathrooms?

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:32:28pm

re: #95 Mike Lamb

GOP Idiot: We have to protect kids against men dressing as women and molesting people in bathrooms.

Normals: Uh, there’s like 10 laws that already prohibit that. Transgendered folks just want to go pee.

GOP Idiot: Why don’t you care about the kids?!?

bastardization of the race —young impressionable white girls being raped by transgender bi-racial, earring piercing, hair dying, freaks —oh my!

gah

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:32:47pm

re: #16 Birth Control Works

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That is actually depressing to read given what he just did to transgender students and what he will do to the LGBT community in the future.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:33:21pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Other thing but haven’t thse idiots hever heard of unisex bathrooms?

you know, like at home. —the home in which you live?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:33:27pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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He did seem like a nice man. I was hard on him in the Bush years since I thought he was too meek but looking back on it, he had to work with Hannity and he never got too nasty and he did seem to be a rare example of class in an industry full of self-righteous dicks.

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:33:56pm

re: #66 Nyet

I don’t believe in slavery but it’s not a federal government issue.

Ha. Exactly. My favorite response on twitter to Spicer’s dumbassery was this guy’s:

(and if his name looks familiar…)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:34:30pm

re: #105 Birth Control Works

you know, like at home. —the home in which you live?

They have them at some restaurants and stores too. They really made this issue into an issue when it shouldn’t have been.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:34:51pm

re: #107 Interesting Times

Ha. Exactly. My favorite response on twitter to Spicer’s dumbassery was this guy’s:

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(and if his name looks familiar…)

But that’s not fair to the states. //

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:35:42pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

“inaccurate things” or just straight up lies?

Trump lies regularly either intentionally or because he’s just not all that bright.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:36:09pm

It’s a federal issue because everyone (currently-de jure) has the right to vote.

If you want your possible constituents to vote for you, you protect their rights. ‘

GOP idiot politician.

We can discuss the difference between de jure and de facto rights to vote at a later time.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:36:27pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

“inaccurate things” or just straight up lies?

Trump lies regularly either intentionally or because he’s just not all that bright.

It vomits words that sound good to him at the time.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:36:54pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Other thing but haven’t thse idiots hever heard of unisex bathrooms?

GOP Idiot: Unisex bathrooms only happen liberal elite college campuses, where they force male and female coeds to cross-dress and then sex each other!

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:03pm

re: #107 Interesting Times

Ha. Exactly. My favorite response on twitter to Spicer’s dumbassery was this guy’s:

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(and if his name looks familiar…)

you know, “separate but equal”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:08pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Unconstitutional. Hopefully the ACLU is suing to get this nonsense overturned. This is straight up fascism given that we have the right to freely assemble. At least for now.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:28pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

He did seem like a nice man. I was hard on him in the Bush years since I thought he was too meek but looking back on it, he had to work with Hannity and he never got too nasty and he did seem to be a rare example of class in an industry full of self-righteous dicks.

I quit watching Fox when he left.

The difference was abrupt and obvious.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:31pm

The narrative of conservatives is constant even in the land of the Rising Sun.

I haven’t done anything wrong,” Kagoike told TBS radio interview on Monday. “I think evil political power and non-conservative media are trying to crush our plans for a school that respects history and tradition, and is conservative.”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:37pm

re: #94 lawhawk

Senator Gillibrand’s straight ticket No votes on DT’s cabinet nominees looking better each day.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:37:49pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:38:13pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

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excellent!

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:38:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:06pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:22pm

I hope all the far-left purists are happy.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:37pm

Awesome 360 Video of F/A-18E/F Super Hornet launching from an aircraft carrier:

360 Video - F/A-18E/F Super Hornet VR

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:47pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:48pm

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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:39:56pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:40:20pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Over our new buddy, Russia?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:40:38pm

re: #121 Birth Control Works

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Rule of Thumb: Any time you hear a Republican, rest assured they are about infringe upon someone else’s rights.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:41:11pm

re: #123 Nyet

I hope all the far-left purists are happy.

Hillary would have been worse.

//

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:41:15pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:01pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

tell me this is a parody site.

Arizona is a parody state.

This is a great means to intimidate people into not protesting at all.

It fits the pattern: create a problem that does not exist: voter fraud, immigrant terrorists, etc., then offer an unconstitutional “solution” that, when implemented, will deprive a lot of people of their civil rights.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:16pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

This isn’t Jacques Derrida’s deconstruction, I suppose.

In a weird way, the hard right is playing the ultimate postmodernism card.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:22pm

re: #117 electrotek

It’s a long running problem in Japan, but please realize that public education there has a different history than here in the US.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:39pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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Our nukes are definitely slipping. It’d actually take about 15 to destroy the world. Have to get that down to 2 or 3.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:49pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:50pm

The Military Industrial Complex has lots of money to spend —-JOBS!!!

I could get really graphic, but I think you’ll understand when I say —Only a man would think this way.

something to do with Freud and …issues.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:42:55pm

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

In a weird way, the hard right is playing the ultimate postmodernism card.

Alternative facts.

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:44:50pm

As a change of pace, and a palate cleanser, I have gotten Aramco World for many years. It is a free magazine: you just request it. They have an online version, and it is worth it just for the photos. The current issue contains a celebration of a photographer who has worked for them for 50 years. This is a link to the video accompanying the article, and it is just a delight.

aramcoworld.com

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:45:06pm

re: #130 Dr. Matt

Hillary would have been worse.

//

I know, right. She would have threatened Iran and restarted the nuclear arms race.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:45:29pm

re: #137 Birth Control Works

The Military Industrial Complex has lots of money to spend —-JOBS!!!

It worked for Ronny Raygun.

Drump et al have no real plans to produce jobs, but increasing our military budget is one way to make it look like your economy is great.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:46:40pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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Trump’s motivation is probably exactly what it seems, he’s just simplistic enough to think that more nuclear bombs means he’ll be more powerful. And the Republicans in Congress will go along with it because crippling the government with useless debt spent on shit like this means that money can’t be spent on repairing our society when they’re eventually thrown out of power. They’re setting us up for the perpetual crisis, a future where responsible adults can’t put effective government back together again.

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:48:03pm

re: #123 Nyet

I hope all the far-left purists are happy.

This person’s twitter account (and the linked article) is probably the best distillation you’ll get of their thinking. Even as a purely academic exercise, I can’t think of a single argument that could possibly make them think differently:

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:48:08pm

Bingo

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:49:43pm
There’s a factual basis for this worldview, too. The Netherlands is an exceptionally safe country. It has one-third the rape rate and one-fifth the murder rate of the U.S. Amsterdam is a safe city by European standards, too. I wandered in IJburg after dark and saw no Moroccan teenage gangs hanging out on street corners. The streets were clean and largely deserted. In Utrecht, I walked around Kanaleneiland. The kids frolicking on the Anne Frank School playground were dark-skinned, and the Turkish mosque next to the shopping center lacked a minaret. I felt safe and comfortable.

Why the Dutch Turned Against Immigrants

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:49:49pm

Postmodernism was often painfully dumb when coming from the left.

It’s downright sadistically primitive coming from the right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:50:05pm

re: #143 Interesting Times

This person’s twitter account (and the linked article) is probably the best distillation you’ll get of their thinking. Even as a purely academic exercise, I can’t think of a single argument that could possibly make them think differently:

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They’re still as smug as ever. I am really tired of their shit. And they want to turn the DNC chair race into a referendum on Bernie. Fuck that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:50:35pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent

tell me this is a parody site.

It will never go into effect because its blatantly unconstitutional.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:51:09pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:51:40pm

re: #141 Dr. Matt

It worked for Ronny Raygun.

Drump et al have no real plans to produce jobs, but increasing our military budget is one way to make it look like your economy is great.

and he is good at creating the illusion of wealth and success when none exists.

and there will lots of people ready to enable his sleight-of-hand tricks

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:51:51pm

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

It will never go into effect because its blatantly unconstitutional.

Say, son, you’re not from around here, are you…..

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:51:58pm

re: #141 Dr. Matt

It worked for Ronny Raygun.

Drump et al have no real plans to produce jobs, but increasing our military budget is one way to make it look like your economy is great.

It’s also about making sure that we have nothing to show for it when this is all over. That we’re left with nothing that is conducive towards or can be converted into sustainable economic growth. The entire goal from here on out is to de-legitimize the idea of a strong, effective federal government and to institute a fire sale of the public lands.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:51:58pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Trump must not be paying attention to his generals again, because we already are the top of the heap. He looks only at the topline figure that Russia has “more” and ignores that we’ve got more accurate weapons, and more of those more accurate weapons than Russia, and that Russia needs to retire more weapons because they can’t afford them either.

Oh, and he also ignores that the US is undertaking a modernization program begun under Obama to rebuild the nuclear arsenal because the weapons are nearing the end of their reliable life (nuclear decay and tech tends to do that). Most of the US arsenal was designed in the 1970s and 1980s, so the modernization includes not only new warheads but new or upgraded missile tech. That’s all part of what is likely to be $350 billion over next decade.

That cost estimate is likely low - and it’s crazy enough that even McCain is wondering whether we need all three parts of the nuclear triad as a way to cut costs.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:52:16pm

re: #81 Birth Control Works

If they states could be trusted to uphold civil rights, we wouldn’t have had a civil war, or a 14th amendment.

But, Trump wants to make America Great again. All the way back to 1850.

Or a Civil Rights movement which cost lives and limbs of scores of African Americans and their allies. States rights = status quo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:52:29pm
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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:53:29pm

re: #143 Interesting Times

I heard a group of them on NPR this morning. Made me want to throw rocks. The whole Democratic party needs to move strongly to the left, they agreed. That’s where the votes were. I guess they forgot they lost the primary by millions of votes, and that Hillary won the popular vote total by millions of votes, and that the election was *()^@&ed every which way from Sunday. Said Bernie was the future of the party of young people. Gag.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:53:32pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oops sorry, I thought she was Conway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:54:47pm

re: #156 retired cynic

I heard a group of them on NPR this morning. Made me want to throw rocks. The whole Democratic party needs to move strongly to the left, they agreed. That’s where the votes were. I guess they forgot they lost the primary by millions of votes, and that Hillary won the popular vote total by millions of votes, and that the election was *()^@&ed every which way from Sunday. Said Bernie was the future of the party of young people. Gag.

I am so sick of the cult of Sanders. I’m someone who should have been his prime constituency but I felt he tricked young voters in a similar way Trump did the electorate by promising easy solutions to complex problems with even more complex solutions.

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:54:58pm

I think Kayleigh may be crazier than Kellyanne. She has that Bachmann look in her eyes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:55:16pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN’s Kayleigh McEnany, at CPAC, calls Obama lawless for implementing trans-inclusive nondiscrimination protections:

still blaming Obama for whatever is Not Great about America

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:55:23pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Says the lady who advertised for her boss’s daughter’s brand. As I’ve said, KAC is just as hateful as the rest of the bunch.

You are thinking of a different person.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:55:50pm

re: #161 Nyet

You are thinking of a different person.

Yeah I realized that immediately. See my edit.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:56:19pm

re: #153 lawhawk

For those who thought Obama was weak on defense (that’d be the clueless GOP, but I repeat myself), here’s what Obama requested spending in FY 2017 and how that compares to his predecessor:

For Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 President Obama requested $9.2 billion to fund nuclear weapons activities in the Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), which oversees the U.S. nuclear stockpile and production complex, a 4.3 percent increase over the FY 2016 appropriation. The agency projects more than $300 billion in spending on nuclear weapons programs over the next 25 years.

Notably, NNSA says it may need $2.9 billion more in funding between 2022 and 2026 to implement its weapons activities than the agency is projecting to request. During this period, the NNSA is planning to be in the midst of simultaneously executing four to five major warhead life extension programs and several major construction projects.

The administration’s FY 2017 request for nuclear weapons programs at the Energy Department is roughly $2.9 billion more (or 45%) than the Bush administration’s final budget request. The GOP-led Congress has provided less funding for this program than requested by the President.

The NNSA is that bit of the Energy Department that Rick Perry didn’t know existed before hearings got underway. I’m not sure if Trump knows either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:56:31pm

Glad we have each other to keep each other honest. Thanks. I caught myself but glad Sergey caught it too.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:57:10pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Oops sorry, I thought she was Conway.

All blonde Trump mouthpieces look alike?
//

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:57:20pm

re: #113 Mike Lamb

All these bathroom laws make me wonder what Conservatives/Rightwingers do in public restrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The last time I used one of those, I went into an individual stall and shut the door. You can still have privacy in these public spaces. What do Conservatives/Rightwingers think goes on in restrooms anyways?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:57:37pm

re: #165 FormerDirtDart

All blonde Trump mouthpieces look alike?
//

There’s that but honestly Kellyanne and Kayleigh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:58:07pm

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

All these bathroom laws make me wonder what Conservatives/Rightwingers do in public restrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The last time I used one of those, I went into an individual stall and shut the door. You can still have privacy in these public spaces. What do Conservatives/Rightwingers think goes on in restrooms anyways?

Ask Larry Craig.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:59:02pm

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

All these bathroom laws make me wonder what Conservatives/Rightwingers do in public restrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The last time I used one of those, I went into an individual stall and shut the door. You can still have privacy in these public spaces. What do Conservatives/Rightwingers think goes on in restrooms anyways?

Their minds are filled with looming threats of deviant sex.

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 12:59:18pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Glad we have each other to keep each other honest. Thanks. I caught myself but glad Sergey caught it too.

Eh, simple mistake, just keep in mind Kellyanne is the better liar. They’re both frightening in their own unique ways, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:00:16pm

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

All these bathroom laws make me wonder what Conservatives/Rightwingers do in public restrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. The last time I used one of those, I went into an individual stall and shut the door. You can still have privacy in these public spaces. What do Conservatives/Rightwingers think goes on in restrooms anyways?

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:00:22pm

The last 50 years of Republican strategy has been to pick up the previous 170 years of Democratic strategy of making sure whites got everything and blacks got nothing. They’ve just added that the only whites that will get it are the rich ones.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:00:53pm

re: #170 (alpuz)

Eh, simple mistake, just keep in mind Kellyanne is the better liar. They’re both frightening in their own unique ways, though.

What did Kayleigh do before CNN anyhow? I had never heard of her until I saw her and Lord being the most pathetic mouth pieces for Turmp this past year.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:01:05pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Reposting.

This is not all over the news.

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If he wanted attention he should’ve yelled, “ALLAHU AKBAR!”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:01:13pm

re: #123 Nyet

I hope all the far-left purists are happy.

Susan Sarandon has no regrets so yeah.

salon.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:01:57pm

re: #175 Patricia Kayden

Susan Sarandon has no regrets so yeah.

salon.com

It’s very easy to say that when you’re a millionaire white lady who doesn’t have anyone she cares for having to wrry about Trump’s policies.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:02:28pm

re: #143 Interesting Times

This person’s twitter account (and the linked article) is probably the best distillation you’ll get of their thinking. Even as a purely academic exercise, I can’t think of a single argument that could possibly make them think differently:

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Her tags on her tweet about the DNC debate say it all:

#DNC #SamRonan #DNCChair

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:02:30pm

OK, who is the third K-blonde to complete the set?

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:03:04pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Pretty sure she’s a career GoP stooge. They always fall up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:03:09pm

re: #178 Nyet

OK, who is the third K-blonde to complete the set?

Ann KKKoulter?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:03:27pm

re: #179 (alpuz)

Pretty sure she’s a career GoP stooge. They always fall up.

Oh one of those types.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:03:55pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

What did Kayleigh do before CNN anyhow? I had never heard of her until I saw her and Lord being the most pathetic mouth pieces for Turmp this past year.

from her wiki page:

After graduating from Georgetown University, McEnany worked as a producer for Mike Huckabee’s TV show.[10] She has interned for several politicians including Tom Gallagher, Adam Putnam, and George W. Bush, for both his 2004 campaign and in the White House Office of Communications in the Media Affairs department.[10] On CNN she is frequently called on to defend President Donald Trump, whom she supported in the 2016 presidential election.[1][11]

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:04:51pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

from her wiki page:

Okay, i’ve seen her on TV before. How the hell did she get into Georgetown?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:05:44pm

When Secret Service agents questioned Sedlak that same day, he claimed to be a private investigator — compiling “research” on charities to determine whether their funds accidentally wound up in jihadists’ hands. Sedlak also told investigators he wanted to sell the info he found, prosecutors said.

Sedlak eventually expanded on this admission, telling the court, “I knew that what I was doing was wrong” and that he tried cracking the network without the charity’s permission.

Sedlak, of Ocoee, Fla., was hit with the hacking charges in September 2015.

In a separate case, a Florida federal judge in August sentenced Sedlak to 42 years imprisonment for producing and possessing child pornography.

Another criminal Trump supporter/pedophile.

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Ubiq  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:05:54pm

re: #156 retired cynic

I heard a group of them on NPR this morning. Made me want to throw rocks. The whole Democratic party needs to move strongly to the left, they agreed. That’s where the votes were. I guess they forgot they lost the primary by millions of votes, and that Hillary won the popular vote total by millions of votes, and that the election was *()^@&ed every which way from Sunday. Said Bernie was the future of the party of young people. Gag.

I say this as someone whose politics probably line up exactly right where Sanders’ politics are: what a bunch of horseshit. The points I really should cut and paste because I make them so frequently.

* America isn’t liberal. I’m sorry it’s not, but only 25% of Americans consider themselves liberal. 36% consider themselves conservatives. The rest don’t give a shit, or are moderates. Which means, if you want to win elections, you have to reach out to a lot of centrists. Which means — gasp — sometimes you have to accept not perfect solutions.
* Clinton probably lost not because she didn’t run far enough to the left — she had the single most left-leaning platform since Dukakis — but rather because she didn’t lean towards the center. By embracing Bernie’s platform, she probably lost a lot of support from Conservatives who can’t stand Trump but can’t in good conscience vote for a massive expansion of liberal influence.
* As a general rule, our presidency changes party hands every 8 years. 1988 is the exception. The Republicans couldn’t keep it after a very successful Eisenhower presidency. The Democrats couldn’t keep it after Clinton retired with sky high approvals. What happens is that the incumbent party gets complacent and starts feeling they are ENTITLED to the White House (and dissolve into petty infighting - sound familiary) while the outside party gets hungry. Looked in that light, Clinton came admirably close to bucking historical trends.
* The electorate was in a conservative mood. The idea that a more liberal candidate would have won is undone by the fact that, across the board, progressives did worse than Clinton did across the country. Zephyr Teachout underperformed Clinton in New York. Ted Strickland underperformed Clinton in Ohio. Russ Feingold underperformed Clinton in Wisconsin. And Single Payer Health Insurance lost 80%-20% in Colorado - a state Clinton won handily.

In short, the Bernie wing needs to stop acting like they are owed the keys to the car. They have not yet won the war of ideas even inside the party, and they certainly do not yet have broad appeal with the American public. And I want to stress — I *like* most of these ideas. But if you ask me if I would rather keep getting my ass kicked in the polls or accept a president, congresscritter or DNC chair who gets me 90% of what I want, and it’s not even a difficult choice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:07:34pm

re: #185 Ubiq

I say this as someone whose politics probably line up exactly right where Sanders’ politics are: what a bunch of horseshit. The points I really should cut and paste because I make them so frequently.

* America isn’t liberal. I’m sorry it’s not, but only 25% of Americans consider themselves liberal. 36% consider themselves conservatives. The rest don’t give a shit, or are moderates. Which means, if you want to win elections, you have to reach out to a lot of centrists. Which means — gasp — sometimes you have to accept not perfect solutions.
* Clinton probably lost not because she didn’t run far enough to the left — she had the single most left-leaning platform since Dukakis — but rather because she didn’t lean towards the center. By embracing Bernie’s platform, she probably lost a lot of support from Conservatives who can’t stand Trump but can’t in good conscience vote for a massive expansion of liberal influence.
* As a general rule, our presidency changes party hands every 8 years. 1988 is the exception. The Republicans couldn’t keep it after a very successful Eisenhower presidency. The Democrats couldn’t keep it after Clinton retired with sky high approvals. What happens is that the incumbent party gets complacent and starts feeling they are ENTITLED to the White House (and dissolve into petty infighting - sound familiary) while the outside party gets hungry. Looked in that light, Clinton came admirably close to bucking historical trends.
* The electorate was in a conservative mood. The idea that a more liberal candidate would have won is undone by the fact that, across the board, progressives did worse than Clinton did across the country. Zephyr Teachout underperformed Clinton in New York. Ted Strickland underperformed Clinton in Ohio. Russ Feingold underperformed Clinton in Wisconsin. And Single Payer Health Insurance lost 80%-20% in Colorado - a state Clinton won handily.

In short, the Bernie wing needs to stop acting like they are owed the keys to the car. They have not yet won the war of ideas even inside the party, and they certainly do not yet have broad appeal with the American public. And I want to stress — I *like* most of these ideas. But if you ask me if I would rather keep getting my ass kicked in the polls or accept a president, congresscritter or DNC chair who gets me 90% of what I want, and it’s not even a difficult choice.

They want to dominate the Democratic Party and then threaten to abandon it when it doesn’t do what they want. At least the DNC lifers they despise have stuck with the party through good times and bad.

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:07:44pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

She had good grades AND was head of the yearbook committee?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:08:46pm

re: #187 (alpuz)

She had good grades AND was head of the yearbook committee?

Guess so. Sort of being a smart ass there.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:10:09pm

re: #145 electrotek

From the link: “Last year, a Dutch think tank sent out identical resumes under different names and found that a native-born Dutch person’s probability of being invited for a job interview was almost twice as high as a Moroccan immigrant’s.”

So how do you expect people of color to live if you refuse to hire them? Then you complain when they turn to seedier ways to make money. I don’t understand this mentality at all. Hire people who are qualified regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. That’s one way to ensure that they integrate into your society.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:11:47pm

Needless to say, this has my blood fucking boiling.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:12:06pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

From the link: “Last year, a Dutch think tank sent out identical resumes under different names and found that a native-born Dutch person’s probability of being invited for a job interview was almost twice as high as a Moroccan immigrant’s.”

So how do you expect people of color to live if you refuse to hire them? Then you complain when they turn to seedier ways to make money. I don’t understand this mentality at all. Hire people who are qualified regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. That’s one way to ensure that they integrate into your society.

Becabuse bigots are jackasses.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:12:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:12:53pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

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You knew this was coming with Sessions heading DOJ. This pisses me off too.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

From the link: “Last year, a Dutch think tank sent out identical resumes under different names and found that a native-born Dutch person’s probability of being invited for a job interview was almost twice as high as a Moroccan immigrant’s.”

So how do you expect people of color to live if you refuse to hire them? Then you complain when they turn to seedier ways to make money. I don’t understand this mentality at all. Hire people who are qualified regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. That’s one way to ensure that they integrate into your society.

But then they won’t have anything to complain about regarding immigrants.

These bigots want to have their own cake and eat it.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:13:15pm

re: #178 Nyet

OK, who is the third K-blonde to complete the set?

Scottie Nell Hughes. Although I believe she’s MIA.

Haven’t watched cable news since the election.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:13:27pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

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If that’s what it takes to wake them the hell up.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:13:53pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m amazed that McInidiot can remember to breathe in and out without a note tacked to her chest to remind her how to do it.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:14:56pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

I hope the libertarian bros are happy too.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:14:58pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Texas is considering legalizing medical marijuana.

So, states’ rights until not.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:15:22pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

If that’s what it takes to wake them the hell up.

For a bunch of people who like to talk about adhering to their principles when push comes to shove the only thing they will demonstrably end up giving a shit about is their own high.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:15:26pm

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

In a weird way, the hard right is playing the ultimate postmodernism card.

Yes. What makes the irony so delicious is that every single RWNJ that thinks they know what postmodernism is denounces it as ‘moral relativism’. Postmodernism is a pretty big word, so we might just be talking about Rod Dreher here.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:15:32pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:15:37pm

re: #185 Ubiq

* America isn’t liberal. I’m sorry it’s not, but only 25% of Americans consider themselves liberal. 36% consider themselves conservatives. The rest don’t give a shit, or are moderates. Which means, if you want to win elections, you have to reach out to a lot of centrists. Which means — gasp — sometimes you have to accept not perfect solutions.
* Clinton probably lost not because she didn’t run far enough to the left — she had the single most left-leaning platform since Dukakis — but rather because she didn’t lean towards the center. By embracing Bernie’s platform, she probably lost a lot of support from Conservatives who can’t stand Trump but can’t in good conscience vote for a massive expansion of liberal influence.

Actually, no - if 2016 convinced me of anything, it’s that the so-called “center” is as much a myth as “moderate republican.” America is so polarized that the GOP could, as someone on twitter put it, run a geoduck clam and get 45% of the vote.

This article explains it well:

Despite all the evidence to the contrary, most political consultants still assume that there’s a middle ground of reasonable voters out there to be claimed. Establishment track Republicans assumed their voters would come home to them in the end, but they never did. The Clinton campaign assumed that Trump’s temperament, combined with direct targeted appeals from the campaign, would win over moderate women and educated voters. None of the strategies to win the “moderate middle” succeeded this year because there are very few actual “moderate” voters left. So-called “moderate” voters often simply have extremist policy preferences that don’t line up neatly with the division between America’s two parties.

(best example of ill-informed “crank voter” would be the people who love the ACA but hate Obamacare -_- These voters aren’t “centrists” - they’re willfully ignorant and gullible morons)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:16:26pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

For a bunch of people who like to talk about their principles when push comes to shove the only thing they will demonstrably end up giving a shit about is their own high.

Yeah, I know. I want legalization as much as the next person but there are other isseus more important.

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:16:52pm

re: #199 Belafon

Texas is considering legalizing medical marijuana.

So, states’ rights until not.

In the presser Spicey went from STATES’ RIGHTS! on the transgender bathrooms to BLERGH! on mary jane. It all went down in about 3 minutes.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:17:16pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:17:26pm

No blood appears to have been shed in the making of this video…

These tigers might be fat, but they can still kill like champs

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:17:53pm

re: #194 electrotek

As an immigrant with a relatively nice job in the U.S., it boils my blood when people discriminate against immigrants and then complain about immigrants’ failure to integrate. If you don’t hire them, they can’t eat, or own houses, or own cars, etc.

Thankfully, here in the U.S. it feels that for the most part, immigrants are able to get jobs if they have the right education. That may change under Trump though since he’s brought out the White Supremacists and put some of them in charge of running his government.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:19:13pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

from her wiki page:

She also found time to graduate from Harvard Law School (how, I will never know) in 2016.

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:19:45pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart

I tried that with a golden retriever puppy this fall. The result was similar… although the drone did make it out in working(somewhat) condition.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

re: #209 BeachDem

She also found time to graduate from Harvard Law School (how, I will never know) in 2016.

Wingnut welfare sure is nice.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:20:05pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

You knew this was coming with Sessions heading DOJ. This pisses me off too.

Yep. Sessions is going to go hog wild on so many fronts. We are so screwed.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:20:09pm

True.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:23:27pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:23:39pm
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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:24:02pm

re: #206 Nyet

To top off the hypocrisy sundae, it’s more than arguable that the Feds don’t have authority to regulate marijuana that isn’t on federal lands or part of interstate commerce, while at the same time having the obligation to protect the civil rights of transgendered citizens.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:25:33pm

re: #208 Patricia Kayden

As an immigrant with a relatively nice job in the U.S., it boils my blood when people discriminate against immigrants and then complain about immigrants’ failure to integrate. If you don’t hire them, they can’t eat, or own houses, or own cars, etc.

Thankfully, here in the U.S. it feels that for the most part, immigrants are able to get jobs if they have the right education. That may change under Trump though since he’s brought out the White Supremacists and put some of them in charge of running his government.

Even here in North America, it still occurs here:

A two-year study published in the Administrative Science Quarterly Journal found that Asian job candidates in the U.S. were almost twice as likely to receive a call back if they whitened their resumes by changing their names and excluding race-based honors and organizations. (The same was true for African-American candidates).

Last year, a young Asian-American named Tiffany Trieu who applied for a graphic design position received a letter from the president of the studio denying her the job because “we’ve hired so many foreign nationals that it seems time for us to hire an American, or be unfair.” Trieu was born in the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:25:48pm

re: #215 Nyet

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Heh remember the fools who convinced themselves that Trump was less hawkish than her.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:26:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:27:30pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

Wait for it.

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Video

That escalated quickly.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:27:49pm

re: #146 Nyet

Postmodernism was often painfully dumb when coming from the left.

It’s downright sadistically primitive coming from the right.

Hopefully that kind of nonsense has been outgrown in academia by now. Applying adventuresome literary criticism approaches to mathematics and the sciences did not end well.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:28:25pm
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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:28:28pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Heh remember the fools who convinced themselves that Trump was less hawkish than her.

Less hawkish, less tied to wall street, under less influence by foreign governments.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:28:48pm

Has Ken Bone ever explained how his CPAC appearance is supposed to be compatible with his alleged neutrality?

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(alpuz)  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:28:53pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

10! Guy definitely stuck the landing.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:29:27pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

That escalated quickly.

A real time-saver.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:30:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:30:20pm

re: #224 Nyet

Has Ken Bone ever explained how his CPAC appearance is supposed to be compatible with his alleged neutrality?

Dude’s a fucking necrophiliac, dry humping the hell out of a long dead fifteen minutes.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:31:45pm

re: #224 Nyet

Has Ken Bone ever explained how his CPAC appearance is supposed to be compatible with his alleged neutrality?

If I were stupid enough to have difficulty deciding between Trump and Clinton in the election of 2016, the last thing I’d do is admit it in public.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:32:14pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

Dude’s a fucking necrophiliac, dry humping the hell out of a long dead fifteen minutes.

Diamond, Silk and Bone would make a good trio. (Not.)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:32:51pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

Wait for it.

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Video

I cringed the whole time knowing that was coming. He should’ve attacked from the side.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:34:17pm
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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:34:28pm

re: #222 Kragar

A case in point: Somali-born Abdul Razak Ali Artan attempted to run over and stab 13 innocent people at Ohio State University last November. He and his family left Somalia in 2007 and moved to Pakistan, arriving in the US in 2014. He was a legal permanent resident. His attack would not count using the more narrow definition.

“In most cases, the American people don’t hear about these cases,” the senior White House official said, “but these cases have required thousands of man-hours by law enforcement in any number of plots to commit terrorism against this country. The threat is very jarring.”

Except we did hear about it.

The problem they’re going to find is that even if they include those, 1) they can’t justify just picking on those 7, and 2) it’s still smaller, way smaller, than right wingers in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:35:10pm

re: #224 Nyet

Has Ken Bone ever explained how his CPAC appearance is supposed to be compatible with his alleged neutrality?

Seriously?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:35:56pm

re: #232 Kragar

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Man fuck this. This is even worse than the marijuana shit.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:36:36pm

Marco Rubio said he missed a townhall because he was in Europe, got busted outside a Florida hotel.

Facebook Post

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:37:11pm

re: #230 Nyet

Diamond, Silk and Bone would make a good trio. (Not.)

More like Diamonds and Rust.

…And if you’re offering me diamonds and rust
I’ve already paid.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:37:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:37:31pm

re: #236 Kragar

Marco Rubio said he missed a townhall because he was in Europe, got busted outside a Florida hotel.

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Outside of Trump winning, Rubio winning re-election despite being an absentee senator was one of the big disappointmetns of 2016.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:37:48pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Man fuck this. This is even worse than the marijuana shit.

Unfortunately, this is just what to expect from having a racist confederate piece of shit attorney general under POTUS* von Clownstick.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:37:59pm

re: #238 Nyet

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I do have to admit ti would be karma if they ended up at oen of them.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:38:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:38:15pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

Unfortunately, this is just what to expect from having a racist confederate piece of shit attorney general under POTUS* von Clownstick.

Yep but economic anxiety. //

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:38:18pm

Well CRAP…

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:38:47pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:39:17pm

Tom Brady is today’s Jerry of the Day.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:40:27pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Outside of Trump winning, Rubio winning re-election despite being an absentee senator was one of the big disappointmetns of 2016.

Go for the trifecta—add in Ron Johnson.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:40:31pm

And right on time …

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:40:53pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:42:22pm

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

If pressed, this meathead will be incapable of making a reality based argument to the effect that Clinton would have been as shitty as Trump currently is.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:42:44pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Outside of Trump winning, Rubio winning re-election despite being an absentee senator was one of the big disappointmetns of 2016.

That was a particularly cruel middle finger from FL to all the rest of us.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:43:37pm

re: #242 Nyet

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Video

I was hearing the Joan Baez version. (showing my age)

Joan Baez-Diamond and Rust [Lyrics]

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:45:09pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Outside of Trump winning, Rubio winning re-election despite being an absentee senator was one of the big disappointmetns of 2016.

Yes, and it supports my pessimism that the GOP Senators and Congressmen will do whatever they want because they know they can get re-elected.

Trump sold a fantasy, and Floridians appear to be big into fantasies.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:45:28pm

Same with Lubbock and other Texas burgs, only there it is drunkenness, general belligerence and loaded firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:45:45pm

re: #247 BeachDem

Go for the trifecta—add in Ron Johnson.

Oh yeah that’s a good oine too. There’s a lot honestly.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:45:53pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:46:21pm

The right is doing everything they blamed Obama of doing over the last 8 years:

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:47:28pm
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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:47:38pm

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:48:28pm

re: #257 Dr. Matt

The right is doing everything they blamed Obama of doing over the last 8 years:

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But fuck Affirmative action!

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:48:35pm

re: #258 FormerDirtDart

lolwut? Fucking shitheads following Putin’s steps?

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:49:32pm

Tsk tsk. I thought better of Denmark.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:50:22pm

re: #258 FormerDirtDart

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I really don’t like this being a criminal action.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:50:38pm

This one is special.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:51:21pm

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

But fuck Affirmative action!

The GOP Declaration of Independence: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…..just as long as you’re a White “alpha” male with the same opinion as ours.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:53:04pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

This one is special.

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Yeah we “owned” it by nominating a person a majority of our party’s registered voters favored over the guy who is still isn’t a member of the party whose nomination eh sought. Enough of this shit. Bernie wasn’t owed shit by the DNC, I think people here have done mofe for Democrats than Sanders has. And then the pathetic little assholes have the nerve to claim the Clintons are actually Republicans. Let’s see. Who’s actually campaigned for Democrats? Who actually campaigned for Elizabeth Warren? Who wants to sell themselves as the only real progressive voice. I consider myself a staunch liberal but tehse people will ruin liberalism if they ever get their way.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:54:19pm

...

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:54:55pm

If the DNC was so rigged against Sanders, how once he did better than Bill Bradley did running against Gore? It’s not rigging for a party to have its favorites especially when one of them is actually a member of their party.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:54:56pm

OK, there was a typo there, gotta repost.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:55:51pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:56:14pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

This one is special.

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I sense the bleating of someone who half-assed their opposition to Trump by voting 3rd party in the general election, and will say anything to avoid facing that fact.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:56:14pm

Talk about the ultimate burn. In regard to O’Keefe’s latest nothingburger about CNN:

When reached for response, a CNN spokesperson said “I don’t think there’s anything to comment on.”

wonkette.com

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:56:22pm

re: #267 Nyet

… —- … ?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:56:56pm

re: #217 electrotek

“Trieu was born in the United States.”

WOW!! Hope she sued.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:57:06pm

re: #273 Dr. Matt

… —- …?

…^..^…

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:57:37pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yeah we “owned” it by nominating a person a majority of our party’s registered voters favored over the guy who is still isn’t a member of the party whose nomination eh sought. Enough of this shit. Bernie wasn’t owed shit by the DNC, I think people here have done mofe for Democrats than Sanders has. And then the pathetic little assholes have the nerve to claim the Clintons are actually Republicans. Let’s see. Who’s actually campaigned for Democrats? Who actually campaigned for Elizabeth Warren? Who wants to sell themselves as the only real progressive voice. I consider myself a staunch liberal but tehse people will ruin liberalism if they ever get their way.

Hell, the Clintons even campaigned for fucking Nina Turner before she turned her back on them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:57:42pm

re: #272 BeachDem

Talk about the ultimate burn. In regard to O’Keefe’s latest nothingburger about CNN:

When reached for response, a CNN spokesperson said “I don’t think there’s anything to comment on.”

wonkette.com

Mocking is what he deesrves.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:58:11pm

re: #258 FormerDirtDart

Why blasphemy? Why not destruction of property or some other religiously-neutral crime?

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 1:59:37pm

re: #278 Patricia Kayden

Why blasphemy? Why not destruction of property or some other religiously-neutral crime?

Well, it was his Quran.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:00:01pm

re: #276 BeachDem

Hell, the Clintons even campaigned for fucking Nina Turner before she turned her back on them.

Exactly. And they probably did for Gabbard too. I remember laughing my ass off when Warren was accused of “betraying” Bernie by endorsing Clinton. Really because I saw Bill (Hillary didn’t since she was still SOS I believe) campaign for Warren in 2012. I didn’t see Bernie. They think Bernie was owned the nomination simply for having been “right”. But the fact is Bernie had some skeletons in his voting record too that the Clinton campaign never really went after. Not just voting for but co-sponsoring a bit of legislation deemed one of the worst acts of environmental racism, they were pretty light on his poor record on guns too, etc.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

re: #257 Dr. Matt

The right is doing everything they blamed Obama of doing over the last 8 years:

GOP NOW favor hiring quotas: Iowa Bill Would Force Universities to Consider Political Affiliation in Faculty Hiring chronicle.com

“So, Doctor, how do you intend to vote if you are selected for this faculty position?”

“I would vote for a measure to require state senators to shave every day and get drug-tested.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:00:28pm

re: #278 Patricia Kayden

Why blasphemy? Why not destruction of property or some other religiously-neutral crime?

It looks like Denmark stupidly has a blasphemy law on the books, and it’s likely there is no other crime in this case. Burning your own property in your back yard is basically not a crime.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:00:33pm

re: #275 Nyet

…^..^…

My Morse is so rusty, I could be sending you dimensions on Playmate of the Month.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:00:34pm
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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:01:33pm

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

Reply right on the mark.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:01:38pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:02:45pm

That tweet is almost 24 hrs. old, they must be huge now!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:03:02pm

re: #279 Nyet

Well, it was his Quran.

Blasphemy shouldn’t be a crime in a secular democracy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:03:02pm

I have no problem with Sanders having had an imperfect voting record. I have a problem with Sanders being as the liberal movement’s savior and HRC as a sellout.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:03:24pm

re: #272 BeachDem

Talk about the ultimate burn. In regard to O’Keefe’s latest nothingburger about CNN:

When reached for response, a CNN spokesperson said “I don’t think there’s anything to comment on.”

wonkette.com

I WONT BE IGNORED!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:03:40pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

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That tweet is almost 24 hrs. old, they must be huge now!

They’re shaped like blackberries.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:03:51pm

re: #286 Dr. Matt

No doubt Trump and his administration officials took steps to profit from this inside information.

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Chrysicat  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:04:14pm

[deleted for NSFW content I forgot to put behind a private-comment wall]

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:04:38pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

precisely because of this retarded lesser of 2 evils horseshit. if you voted for either, you enable this, you own it.

— ☮️ isildur

Ooooh, Busted, Neoliberal corporatist sellout!!!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:04:46pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:04:56pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

It looks like Denmark stupidly has a blasphemy law on the books, and it’s likely there is no other crime in this case. Burning your own property in your back yard is basically not a crime.

Agreed. This is just playing into the hands of anti-Islam extremists like Pamela Geller.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:05:05pm

re: #288 Patricia Kayden

Blasphemy shouldn’t be a crime in a secular democracy.

Apparently Denmark forgot that.
If he is convicted, I hope all kinds of scriptures publicly burn in protest.
It would have been an asshole move otherwise. In this context it would be an act for greater freedom.
Think of that as burning the American flag.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:05:24pm

Six weeks of people repeatedly educating FOX News viewers that the Affordable Care Act is in fact Obamacare…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:07:40pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

**blood pressure rising**

There is really nothing you can say to someone like that. He/she is way too far gone.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:08:57pm

re: #296 Patricia Kayden

Agreed. This is just playing into the hands of anti-Islam extremists like Pamela Geller.

Yeah same “free speech activists” who are only for free speech when it involves bashing Islam and Muslims, and forget everything else.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:09:11pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I have no problem with Sanders having had an imperfect voting record. I have a problem with Sanders being as the liberal movement’s savior and HRC as a sellout.

Or attacking Hillary for a bill that her husband signed and that Sanders had voted for.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:09:29pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:10:34pm

re: #300 electrotek

Yeah same “free speech activists” who are only for free speech when it involves bashing Islam and Muslims, and forget everything else.

You can’t be a free speech activist and ideologically support the likes of Wilders who want to ban Islam.

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Chrysicat  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:10:42pm

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:12:29pm

The quality of the users who run Sweden’s twitter account varies.
This week’s guy - Max - rocks.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:14:04pm

Remember to watch this again right before you turn off the internet for the night.
Pretty sure you’ll sleep a lot better.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:14:34pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:19:43pm

Trump’s presidency so far has been:

1) Bigoted
2) Incompetent
3) Corrupt
4) Compromised by the Russians

These points are completely non-partisan and are also completely consistent with how the campaign went. There were absolutely no surprises about any of this.

So in case any 3rd party voters or supposedly fooled Trump supporters care to rejoin the human race, the question of “How could you have done something so clinically fucktarded as voting for Fuckface von Clownstick for President?” cannot be evaded. If this point is not really addressed, these people will just keep on voting for dangerous demagogues like Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:19:54pm

...

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:21:28pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

It looks like Denmark stupidly has a blasphemy law on the books, and it’s likely there is no other crime in this case. Burning your own property in your back yard is basically not a crime.

Remember the massive blowup over the Mohammed caricatures. Someone is going for something a similar fabricated outrage here.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:22:24pm

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember the massive blowup over the Mohammed caricatures. They are going for something a similar fabricated outrage here.

I really would like to forget that. That was so horrifyingly embarrassing that I do not wish to relive those moments. At all.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:23:19pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:23:20pm

re: #311 electrotek

I really would like to forget that. That was so horrifyingly embarrassing that I do not wish to relive those moments. At all.

People got killed over that…not to mention boatloads of frothing righteous outrage spewed all over the world.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:25:22pm

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People got killed over that…not to mention boatloads of frothing righteous outrage spewed all over the world.

I really blame the Danish imams for their manufactured outrage on that one.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:25:42pm

re: #311 electrotek

I really would like to forget that. That was so horrifyingly embarrassing that I do not wish to relive those moments. At all.

As said upthread, you really can’t have anti-blasphemy laws in a secular democracy. All religions in such societies simply have to put up with what a few cranks will end up doing in their back yards and posting on the internet.

Edited to add: All religions also have to put up with being the subject of published satire, which was the specific issue in the Danish cartoon mess.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:26:42pm

re: #315 EPR-radar

As said upthread, you really can’t have anti-blasphemy laws in a secular democracy. All religions in such societies simply have to put up with what a few cranks will end up doing in their back yards and posting on the internet.

Yep. Don’t give them the attention they crave.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:27:04pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Let’s try that again.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:27:16pm

re: #315 EPR-radar

As said upthread, you really can’t have anti-blasphemy laws in a secular democracy. All religions in such societies simply have to put up with what a few cranks will end up doing in their back yards and posting on the internet.

The Western leaders generally condemned the treatment of Pussy Riot based on the same law in Russia. If they ignore this case it will show their hypocrisy.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:27:40pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:31:08pm

re: #314 electrotek

I really blame the Danish imams for their manufactured outrage on that one.

They understood the nuance that not everything that appears in Danish newspapers is approved or placed there by the government, but spread those images among people who have never known otherwise and reacted accordingly.

And they did brew up a perfect shitstorm on both left and right…one that indirectly resulted on me washing up onto these shores, even. I was defending the caricaturists’ right to be offensive on a rather liberal blogsite (the now defunct warblogging) and somebody commented “shouldn’t you be posting at LGF?”

So I showed up here (around 2007) and decided to stick around for a good argument.

that was some 40,000 posts ago…

321
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:31:10pm

re: #308 EPR-radar

Trump’s presidency so far has been:

1) Bigoted
2) Incompetent
3) Corrupt
4) Compromised by the Russians

These points are completely non-partisan and are also completely consistent with how the campaign went. There were absolutely no surprises about any of this.

So in case any 3rd party voters or supposedly fooled Trump supporters care to rejoin the human race, the question of “How could you have done something so clinically fucktarded as voting for Fuckface von Clownstick for President?” cannot be evaded. If this point is not really addressed, these people will just keep on voting for dangerous demagogues like Trump.

To claim that it’s not the Trump voters’ fault that they got conned because apparently they can’t be bothered to look outside their bubble is just …well, I mean, if you want to excuse all these people who voted for the sexist bigot despite his behavior going against the book they say they follow, go right ahead, but don’t think I need to pity these fuckers for being assholes.

There’s nothing about access to more information that magically makes someone pay attention to it and you can’t get people to grow the fuck up if you coddle them for their mistakes forever.

322
goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:32:45pm
323
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:33:45pm

Anyway my afternoon is full of statistical analysis and prediction of traffic accident numbers because thesis editing. Good thing we started with a margarita.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:35:04pm

re: #321 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Funny thing is the person whom (I think) you mean claims to have informed everyone about Trump’s true nature.

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electrotek  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:35:40pm

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They understood the nuance that not everything that appears in Danish newspapers is approved or placed there by the government, but spread those images among people who have never known otherwise and reacted accordingly.

And they did brew up a perfect shitstorm on both left and right…one that indirectly resulted on me washing up onto these shores, even. I was defending the caricaturists’ right to be offensive on a rather liberal blogsite (the now defunct warblogging) and somebody commented “shouldn’t you be posting at LGF?”

So I showed up here (around 2007) and decided to stick around for a good argument.

that was some 40,000 posts ago…

Just like that idiot Ayatollah Khomeini who decided to issue a fatwa on Salman Rushdie for his stupid awful book. If it wasn’t for him, no one would have cared for his worst written piece ever (his other books were much better, like Midnight’s Children).

Because of him, he became the cause celebre of free speech in 1989.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:38:14pm

re: #324 Nyet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:37:37pm

re: #288 Patricia Kayden

Blasphemy shouldn’t be a crime in a secular democracy.

well, there’s trump…a secular blasphemy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:41:54pm

re: #323 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Anyway my afternoon is full of statistical analysis and prediction of traffic accident numbers because thesis editing. Good thing we started with a margarita.

National Margarita Day gets extended for an additional day because it must!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:43:49pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

National Margarita Day gets extended for an additional day because it must!

Well I mean she wasn’t here yesterday so we couldn’t have celebrated it then…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:47:24pm

re: #329 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well I mean she wasn’t here yesterday so we couldn’t have celebrated it then…

“Good things come to those who wait…”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:48:12pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Good things come to those who wait…”

I took her to my favorite place that does frozen margaritas mixed with (essentially) martini shots.

We walked home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:53:14pm

re: #331 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I took her to my favorite place that does frozen margaritas mixed with (essentially) martini shots.

We walked slightly staggered home.

ftfy

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:54:05pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

ftfy

Hey my tolerance isn’t that bad.

I don’t do anything else when I have one of those anymore though. >.>

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:57:00pm

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

It will never go into effect because its blatantly unconstitutional.

It’s only unconstitutional if a Supreme Court rules that it is.

A court packed with Trump nominees on the other hand?

Not so much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:00:02pm

re: #334 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

It’s only unconstitutional if a Supreme Court rules that it is.

A court packed with Trump nominees on the other hand?

Not so much.

Right now, as it is written, it is blatantly unconstitutional.
That’s why we have the lower courts to start the process.

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Honey Punch!  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:53:06pm

re: #175 Patricia Kayden

Susan Sarandon has no regrets so yeah.

FX is promoting the hell out of the new miniseries she’s starring in for Rupert Murdoch.


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