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1
Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:32:15pm

He is not fit to run a soup kitchen. No soup for him.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:34:20pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:34:41pm

Reposted to new thread.

Trump’s presidency so far has been:

1) Bigoted
2) Incompetent
3) Corrupt
4) Compromised by the Russians

These points are completely non-partisan and are also completely consistent with how the campaign went. There were absolutely no surprises about any of this.

So in case any 3rd party voters or supposedly fooled Trump supporters care to rejoin the human race, the question of “How could you have done something so clinically fucktarded as voting for Fuckface von Clownstick for President?” cannot be evaded. If this point is not really addressed, these people will just keep on voting for dangerous demagogues like Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:41:58pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:42:59pm

Deconstruction:

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:43:09pm

Ami Horowitz, the guy who planted the seed behind Trump’s Sweden claim, is the author of this film:

en.wikipedia.org

U.N. Me is a documentary film about the United Nations by first-time filmmakers Ami Horowitz and Matthew Groff, which premiered at the International Documentary Film Festival Amsterdam in November 2009.[1]
The documentary - or “docutainment” according to Horowitz[2] - which began production in 2006,[3] is a critique that depicts the United Nations as an organization that has drifted from its founding principles to the point where it now “enables evil and sows global chaos.”[4][5] The film follows Horowitz and Groff as they travel and look to expose the numerous scandals and cases of abuse of the U.N. Through interviews with involved parties and archived footage, they provide a look into events such as a shooting that has gone forgotten, where UN soldiers opened fire on unarmed protestors and the “Oil-for-Food” program. Also featured is evidence of the use of UN funds and equipment to support terrorist activity through complacency or complicity, including video footage of insurgents loading assault rifles and RPGs into a UN vehicle to make an escape.

This anti-UN derangement indicates to me that we’re dealing with another far-right Israel fanatic.

And indeed:

Trump’s Inspiration for ‘Last Night in Sweden’ Filmed Himself Throwing Stones at Palestinians

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:43:48pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I NEED MORE UPDINGS FOR THIS I am dying laughing and I don’t think that’s just the margarita.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:44:46pm

re: #7 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I NEED MORE UPDINGS FOR THIS I am dying laughing and I don’t think that’s just the margarita.

It’s the editing of theses.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:47:03pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

It’s the editing of theses.

Did you know SPF does not refer simply to sunscreen?

Now you do.

Hell if I can tell you what it stands for, but it’s something to do with statistically predicting the number of crashes expected on a given road segment given the average annual daily traffic (AADT) and a host of other variables. WHEEE.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:48:05pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:52:17pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:52:38pm

More on Ami’s transparent agenda.

Are Voter ID laws racist?

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:52:43pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Hypocrisy over states rights goes all the way back to the founding, in connection with slavery.

Slave states didn’t want the Feds to interfere with their “peculiar institution”, but they wrote the fugitive slave clause right into the constitution.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:54:16pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:56:04pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:56:44pm

Watch the whole damn thing.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:57:54pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

BUT SWEDEN!

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Timothy Watson  Feb 23, 2017 • 2:58:11pm

re: #6 Nyet

Ami Horowitz, the guy who planted the seed behind Trump’s Sweden claim, is the author of this film:

en.wikipedia.org

This anti-UN derangement indicates to me that we’re dealing with another far-right Israel fanatic.

And indeed:

Trump’s Inspiration for ‘Last Night in Sweden’ Filmed Himself Throwing Stones at Palestinians

Is he related to David Horowitz?

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:00:30pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

Apparently not.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:10:46pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:26:42pm

Per the discussion downstairs regarding the short suspensions/bans Twitter has started doing:

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:27:30pm

Reposted from last thread:

re: #308 EPR-radar

Trump’s presidency so far has been:

1) Bigoted
2) Incompetent
3) Corrupt
4) Compromised by the Russians

These points are completely non-partisan and are also completely consistent with how the campaign went. There were absolutely no surprises about any of this.

So in case any 3rd party voters or supposedly fooled Trump supporters care to rejoin the human race, the question of “How could you have done something so clinically fucktarded as voting for Fuckface von Clownstick for President?” cannot be evaded. If this point is not really addressed, these people will just keep on voting for dangerous demagogues like Trump.

Ummm….yeahh…. sorta big problem with that: I can;t recall any campaign in this country -EVER - that made an electoral success out of using “How could you be so stupid to vote for X….” as a campaign theme. No matter how awful X might/might have been (and seriously, Donald Trump takes the all-time prize for Awful President), you just don’t get much of anyplace in politics by insulting the voters. Now of course, the real trick (and, IMO the key to a “blue wave” election in 2018) is to get the point across without pushing it directly: i.e. getting the electorate to face up to “How could we have been so stupid…” - but silently; and then, giving them a viable alternative to vote for to make up for it. The latter point is, I think, going to be the vital one to get back control of (or at least lessen the GOP’s deathgrip on) Congress.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:29:10pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:30:29pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

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But they told me an armed nation is a polite nation!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:31:22pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

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And now the grifter administration is interfering in federal LE.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:31:36pm

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

But they told me an armed nation is a polite nation!

Fewer people talking at least.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:33:16pm
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Bass Reeves  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:34:20pm

re: #22 Jay C

Good in theory, but they have dug themselves into being for: Russia, Fascism, Crony Captialism, et. all. The problem is that if their primary motivation is ‘what do liberals hate’, then they will do that no matter how much it hurts themselves. When one of my mixed-Japanese friends had the white half of his own family say internment camps were the right idea TO HIM, we’re not getting out of this one with sweet reason.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:36:22pm

So when a (white) felon buys guns from an undercover agent for an attack “in the spirit of Dylann Roof,” the story about his first hearing includes such nauseating details as:

“He looked real good. He looked real strong,” McDowell’s mother, Joanne Clewis, said

and

Sniffles escaped from his mother as Clewis dabbed the tears from her eyes. He mouthed the words “I love you” in her direction, then gave a sheepish smile before his face sank briefly into sadness.

and

“I love him,” she said. “He’s a good kid. … It’s totally shocking.” (apparently his previous prison term and white supremacist tattoos provided her no clue.)

thestate.com

And that story got almost no national play and disappeared from coverage in about 5 minutes.

When a racist (white) fuck shoots three people while shouting racist slurs in Olathe Kansas, the first articles published go into his military career in detail and the editor of the KC Star finds it very important to tweet:

And the coverage I’ve seen thus far has been pretty sparse.

Imagine if either of these assholes had been of a slightly different hue.

MAGA!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:36:40pm

Angrywhstaffer tweet timeline goes from dystopic comedy to holy shit depressing…

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:37:24pm

re: #27 Kragar

Impeach.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:37:31pm

re: #22 Jay C

That’s why it’s such a difficult problem. You are 100% correct that telling voters they are stupid is not a winning political strategy.

But then the question remains of just how this malignant stupidity is to be alleviated if everyone tap dances around calling it what it is.

We can’t even get baby steps done, like “don’t vote for the guys who were a disaster from 2000-2008” because there is an entire industry devoted to pretending that these Republican disasters did not happen, and that they were the liberals’ fault.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:38:59pm

re: #30 Scottish Dragon

> I got to hang out with Melania alone for 10 minutes last night. She is literally the saddest person I’ve ever met.

It’s not even good fiction because this alone would get their identity exposed in a sec.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:40:09pm

re: #30 Scottish Dragon

Angrywhstaffer tweet timeline goes from dystopic comedy to holy shit depressing…

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Hope I’m wrong, but that’s too good to be true.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:40:09pm

re: #33 Nyet

Yup.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:41:40pm

re: #30 Scottish Dragon

Angrywhstaffer tweet timeline goes from dystopic comedy to holy shit depressing…

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I’m of the opinion that this is not a person on the inside. But, if only one of those is true, that would still be a big deal. This is definitely one of those cases where we have to worry about confirmation bias.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:43:24pm

re: #33 Nyet

> I got to hang out with Melania alone for 10 minutes last night. She is literally the saddest person I’ve ever met.

It’s not even good fiction because this alone would get their identity exposed in a sec.

I’m really wondering about that…but this would have been at Mar-A -Lago last weekend and a lot harder to track wrt to who was where and when than it would have been at the White House. Also pretty sure Melania isn’t going to say names. It has been fucking obvious from day one she is not happy and she is not moving into the White House.

So I am still going with plausible for now. The Bannon bits look very credible.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:43:29pm

re: #36 Belafon

I’m of the opinion that this is not a person on the inside. But, if only one of those is true, that would still be a big deal. This is definitely one of those cases where we have to worry about confirmation bias.

I can’t figure out what’s going on here, and won’t spend much time on it. It’s likely too good to be true, but it is also true that there is nothing in it for the Bannon regime to spread rumors that Bannon is a drunk.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

re: #37 Scottish Dragon

I’m really wondering about that…but this would have been at Mar-A -Lago last weekend and a lot harder to track wrt to who was where and when than it would have been at the White House. Also pretty sure Melania isn’t going to say names. It has been fucking obvious from day one she is not happy and she is not moving into the White House.

So I am still gong with plausible for now. The Bannon bits look very credible.

It’s truthy, then.

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:45:26pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

I can’t figure out what’s going on here, and won’t spend much time on it. It’s likely too good to be true, but it is also true that there is nothing in it for the Bannon regime to spread rumors that Bannon is a drunk.

It doesn’t necessarily have to be a ratfucking operation to be false. It could just be a frustrated writer doing it for teh lulz.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:46:01pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

It doesn’t necessarily have to be a ratfucking operation to be false. It could just be a frustrated writer doing it for teh lulz.

Nonsense, there are no trolls on the Internet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:46:09pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Deconstruction:

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totally one for CL!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:46:30pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

totally one for CL!

Perfect example of getting ready to post a comment on the thread!

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:46:33pm

re: #39 Decatur Deb

It’s truthy, then.

It fits his known character. So not proven, but also not unlikely.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:47:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:47:33pm

The only way we get rid of these assholes without wrecking the country is to do all the hard, expensive, uncomfortable work we should have done last August. Then multiply it by 4X, because it’s going to be much harder, now. 2020 at the earliest.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:48:13pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

The answer is to forget about those that voted in such a way that caused Trump to win, concentrate on stopping him and getting good candidates - and doing what we can to win Texas - and winning the next elections. There are a whole lot of people who didn’t vote or will change their minds.

Ultimately, we have to string together wins so that Republicans have to do soul searching. Then the party will begin to marginalize the crazies.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:49:40pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

Just someone having a bit of fun. There are dozens of various accounts like this for various agencies. A couple of them may even be authentic, not that anyone can check. The problem is that they don’t seem to provide any data that would verify their authenticity, like predicting something very specific that then happens. So it’s safe to assume fake until shown otherwise.

gq.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:49:47pm

re: #17 Nyet

BUT SWEDEN!

REMEMBER MALMO!!!11!!!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:50:44pm

Can a nationwide class action lawsuit be filed against Paul Ryan, Jason Chaffetz and Mitch McConnell for dereliction of duty and refusal to investigate anything relating to Trump?

Serious question, because it is increasingly obvious that they are knowingly breaking the law alongside Trump.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:51:18pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:52:16pm

re: #41 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nonsense, there are no trolls on the Internet.

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If it is mere fictional trolling of Trump, Bannon and Melania, it borders on sadistic. I couldn’t give a fuck about Trump and Bannon…but I would never consider dragging Melania into a fictional attack. The people who have been making overt attacks on her have been sensationalistic…accusing her of being an escort etc.

This bit of supposed info is…sad and depressing, and makes her more sympathetic but it also somehow infantalizes her. If it is fictional trolling, is is pretty damned sophisticated.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:52:41pm

re: #44 Scottish Dragon

It fits his known character. So not proven, but also not unlikely.

The best way to lie is to start with a truth. We all know Bannon drinks (and I would keep supplying him alcohol until his liver crawled out through his mouth if I could) and so it’s not exactly hard to make up a story based on that.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:54:15pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

REMEMBER MALMO!!!11!!!

BÖLLING GRØN MASSAKER!!!

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:55:29pm

Ha!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:55:32pm

re: #52 Scottish Dragon

If it is mere fictional trolling of Trump, Bannon and Melania, it borders on sadistic. I couldn’t give a fuck about Trump and Bannon…but I would never consider dragging Melania into a fictional attack. The people who have been making overt attacks on her have been sensationalistic…accusing her of being an escort etc.

This bit of supposed info is…sad and depressing, and makes her more sympathetic but it also somehow infantalizes her. If it is fictional trolling, is is pretty damned sophisticated.

If it’s trolling, it’s more likely of liberals.

Of the people who desperately want to hear about the dysfunction inside the White House.

Always be wary of someone telling you what you want to hear.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:55:44pm

re: #36 Belafon

I’m of the opinion that this is not a person on the inside. But, if only one of those is true, that would still be a big deal. This is definitely one of those cases where we have to worry about confirmation bias.

As of this point, I still stand by my assertion that this account is as phony as a $3 bill and was intended for “entertainment purposes only.”

If it is true, I still wouldn’t be that shocked, because the Trump Regime represents the absolute worst of humanity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:56:42pm

re: #56 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If it’s trolling, it’s more likely of liberals.

Of the people who desperately want to hear about the dysfunction inside the White House.

Always be wary of someone telling you what you want to hear.

Yep confirmation bias. Always a danger especially when the actual truth is bad enough.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:57:46pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:58:11pm

re: #53 Belafon

The best way to lie is to start with a truth. We all know Bannon drinks (and I would keep supplying him alcohol until his liver crawled out through his mouth if I could) and so it’s not exactly hard to make up a story based on that.

As others have said, ratfucking doesn’t work too well when you make yourself look real bad in the process. Also, Bannon and his breitbrats wold never publicize something like this, even anonymously. So if it is fictional, it is somebody who is not sympathetic to the admin, has a very good grasp of some of the internal dynamics and a better than average sense of creating character.

That is why I still lean towards real.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 3:59:45pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

“DID YOU JUST ASSUME TRUMP’S GENDER?”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:00:06pm

re: #60 Scottish Dragon

As others have said, ratfucking doesn’t work too well when you make yourself look real bad in the process. Also, Bannon and his breitbrats wold never publicize something like this, even anonymously. So if it is fictional, it is somebody who is not sympathetic to the admin, has a very good grasp of some of the internal dynamics and a better than average sense of creating character.

That is why I still lean towards real.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:00:37pm

re: #60 Scottish Dragon

I don’t see the alleged grasp. It’s all publicly known clichees.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:00:46pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Yep confirmation bias. Always a danger especially when the actual truth is bad enough.

We already know enough information through legit sources to throw out Trump, Pence, Bannon, Sessions, Ryan, McConnell, Chaffetz, Prebus, etc. &c. on a rail.

“Rogue” Twitter accounts serve little useful purpose to that effect.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:01:16pm

re: #60 Scottish Dragon

As others have said, ratfucking doesn’t work too well when you make yourself look real bad in the process. Also, Bannon and his breitbrats wold never publicize something like this, even anonymously. So if it is fictional, it is somebody who is not sympathetic to the admin, has a very good grasp of some of the internal dynamics and a better than average sense of creating character.

That is why I still lean towards real.

This is exactly the sort of shit someone who gets their LOLs from 4chan would pull. “LOOK AT WHAT I CAN GET ALL THE STUPID LIBS TO BELIEVE, I WONDER HOW LONG I CAN KEEP THEM ALL GOING.” No side needed, just play into the confirmation bias and stick with vague assertions that can’t really be proven. (For “protecting one’s identity,” of course.)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:01:52pm

re: #60 Scottish Dragon

As others have said, ratfucking doesn’t work too well when you make yourself look real bad in the process. Also, Bannon and his breitbrats wold never publicize something like this, even anonymously. So if it is fictional, it is somebody who is not sympathetic to the admin, has a very good grasp of some of the internal dynamics and a better than average sense of creating character.

That is why I still lean towards real.

I think it’s real, but some head fakes included. The details of spending time with Melania will have everyone on the staff looking into it and perhaps it never happened. Meanwhile they will be on a snipe hunt, a better use of their time then fucking the country over if you ask me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:02:13pm

re: #54 Nyet

BÖLLING GRØN MASSAKER!!!

I’ve been to Bowling Green many times.

I am a survivor…and I could tell you tales that would raise the hair up on the back of your neck…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:02:30pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

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LOLWUT.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:02:33pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:02:40pm

Fuck White House “Rogue” Twitter accounts. Fuck ‘em. Stupid fake news bullshit.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:03:00pm

My basic assumption is that all the so-called alternative government twitter accounts are just false (as far as being from actual people in the places claimed), until proven otherwise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:03:51pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

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She has the weirdest looking “perfect” teeth.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:03:53pm

re: #56 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If it’s trolling, it’s more likely of liberals.

Of the people who desperately want to hear about the dysfunction inside the White House.

Always be wary of someone telling you what you want to hear.

However, the dysfunction is already known. They cannot keep it secret and they have tried. What do they gain by putting out confirmation of what they are denying on the pages of the NYT and the Washington Post?

Deliberate trolling, to be effective, has to lead toward some goal. If this is trolling, the trend lines are all real bad for the Trump WH and contradict every public statement that Spicer, Kellyanne and Stephen Miller give.

Now, you might argue this is part of an internal power play and I could kinda buy that (IE, we are not actually the target audience and Priebus or Bannon would be the actual target for internal ratfucking), but the account would need to be far more visible than it is now to be effective for that IMHO.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:04:05pm

May have nearly snorted the Coke Zero out my nose:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:04:14pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

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FNC basically had him be a human punching bag for Lumpy Hannity’s inability to want to debate with someone who would actually throw Hannity’s shit back at him.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:04:19pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been to Bowling Green many times.

I am a survivor…and I could tell you tales that would raise the hair up on the back of your neck…

“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate in the massacre at Bowling Green. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:04:37pm

re: #65 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is exactly the sort of shit someone who gets their LOLs from 4chan would pull. “LOOK AT WHAT I CAN GET ALL THE STUPID LIBS TO BELIEVE, I WONDER HOW LONG I CAN KEEP THEM ALL GOING.” No side needed, just play into the confirmation bias and stick with vague assertions that can’t really be proven. (For “protecting one’s identity,” of course.)

THIS! You’re being played like a fiddle by 4chan freaks if you buy into those stupid goddamn Twitter accounts. The real news coming out of the White House is bad enough on it’s own.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:05:19pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

However, the dysfunction is already known. They cannot keep it secret and they have tried. What do they gain by putting out confirmation of what they are denying on the pages of the NYT and the Washington Post?

Deliberate trolling, to be effective, has to lead toward some goal. If this is trolling, the trend lines are all real bad for the Trump WH and contradict every public statement that Spicer, Kellyanne and Stephen Miller give.

Now, you might argue this is part of an internal power play and I could kinda buy that (IE, we are not actually the target audience and Priebus or Bannon would be the actual target for internal ratfucking), but the account would need to be far more visible than it is now to be effective for that IMHO.

Random trolling by 4-channers or the like need not have any discernible political intent.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:05:25pm

re: #63 Nyet

I don’t see the alleged grasp. It’s all publicly known clichees.

The exchanges with Melania, if fictional, are far more deftly presented than other accounts of her have been so far…even allowing for the limitations of twitter.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:05:55pm

re: #71 freetoken

My basic assumption is that all the so-called alternative government twitter accounts are just false (as far as being from actual people in the places claimed), until proven otherwise.

Right. Anyone can start an anonymous account and fill it based on the bits and pieces from the media.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:07:16pm

re: #71 freetoken

My basic assumption is that all the so-called alternative government twitter accounts are just false (as far as being from actual people in the places claimed), until proven otherwise.

The Black Hills NP ranger account was absolutely real, and attempts were made to burn the rangers involved. I volunteer at a national park, and things have been said.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:08:28pm

re: #79 Scottish Dragon

The exchanges with Melania, if fictional, are far more deftly presented than other accounts of her have been so far…even allowing for the limitations of twitter.

If it’s verifiable, then it’s publicly available. If it’s not publicly available, it’s not verifiable.
If it’s not verifiable, then we can’t really judge whether there is any actual grasp on the internal dynamics because we don’t know what the dynamics are.

Now, if tomorrow Melania files for a divorce, this would confirm this account’s authenticity (yes, it doesn’t say that she would, only mulls it over). That would be a specific piece of information. Otherwise it’s just glorified cold reading.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:08:56pm

re: #80 Nyet

Right. Anyone can start an anonymous account and fill it based on the bits and pieces from the media.

There are one or two that I would buy as being more legit, based on timing and actions taken, but even there I wouldn’t trust it as news the way I would treat an anonymous source from a place with a reputation for solid investigative journalism.*

None of the White House accounts fall into that category, though.

* Look, we should all be evaluating every source of news carefully, and we’re all going to have different metrics and I get that. The best I can do is to be honest about what metrics I’m using and why I trust/don’t trust a particular source. I welcome reasoned discussion back.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:09:35pm

re: #81 Scottish Dragon

As I noted, “until proven otherwise.”

This is the same method I use in all my research, regardless of field.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:10:05pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:10:49pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

4chan trolls do it for the lulz.

Occam.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:11:37pm

I’m more sweary than usual today.

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Bass Reeves  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:11:47pm

re: #82 Nyet

If it’s verifiable, then it’s publicly available. If it’s not publicly available, it’s not verifiable.
If it’s not verifiable, then we can’t really judge whether there is any actual grasp on the internal dynamics because we don’t know what the dynamics are.

Now, if tomorrow Melania files for a divorce, this would confirm this account’s authenticity (yes, it doesn’t say that she would, only mulls it over). That would be a specific piece of information. Otherwise it’s just glorified cold reading.

Holy God, if people would just use THIS when assessing the validity of their sources of information, I wouldn’t have to drink myself to sleep three times a week. I may not agree with you always, I’m humping your leg right now (you’re welcome).

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mmmirele  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:11:54pm

I don’t even get this. I’ve never, ever had a tweet or retweet take off like this. It’s about that SFO to JFK flight yesterday where customs was checking “papers.”

Why is it that people care about that and not the other stuff I tweet about? Scientology, the fact that the Arizona Senate doesn’t like our First Amendment rights, child abuse, etc. What is it about *this* tweet?

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:12:16pm

re: #79 Scottish Dragon

As a woman, it’s exactly as I would have written her FWIW.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:12:53pm

True story:

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:12:55pm

re: #78 EPR-radar

Random trolling by 4-channers or the like need not have any discernible political intent.

If we proceed on that basis, what assurance do you have that I am not a 4chan type trying to fuck with everybody here? I mean, only one person here has met me IRL and maybe she is not telling the truth either…

So at some point, you assign probability based on your personal experience to online interactions and then you assign weight to them accordingly.

So in my opinion…the account is likely real based on my observation and how I weigh various details and this is completely subjective of course. Most of the other folks here are reaching a different conclusion and I am perfectly okay with that. We have different experiences and use different criteria in making subjective decisions.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:14:25pm

re: #92 Scottish Dragon

If we proceed on that basis, what assurance do you have that I am not a 4chan type trying to fuck with everybody here? I mean, only one person here has met me IRL and maybe she is not telling the truth either…

So at some point, you assign probability based on your personal experience to online interactions and then you assign weight them accordingly.

So in my opinion…the account is likely real based on my observation and how I weigh various details and this is completely subjective of course. Most of the other folks here are reaching a different conclusion and I am perfectly okay with that. We have different experiences and use different criteria in making subjective decisions.

I don’t trust a feckn’ one of ye.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:14:40pm

re: #92 Scottish Dragon

If we proceed on that basis, what assurance do you have that I am not a 4chan type trying to fuck with everybody here?

Audience too small.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:14:52pm

This one is exceedingly difficult:

I got 18.

Gonna try again later…

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:14:54pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

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Oh, sure. No doubt. All those Hillary supporters, they absolutely *hate* the idea of seeing women in power.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:16:17pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Shut up, nutmeg!”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:16:54pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

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Roguewhitehouse whatever has been credibly accused of being a ratfuck for a couple of weeks now. I already got the warnings.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:17:24pm

re: #94 Nyet

Audience too small.

Oh? Sez you! ;)

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:18:53pm

re: #98 Scottish Dragon

The one you cited above is total bullshit too.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:19:42pm

It’s not knowable and it’s not critical, so it’s an amusing pastime.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:20:45pm

He got his fucking unsecured Android back.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:21:06pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

The one you cited above is total bullshit too.

And I do not think a final determination can be made right now. It is unknowable as of yet.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:21:31pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

It’s not knowable and it’s not critical, so it’s an amusing pastime.

Yes.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:21:43pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:22:28pm

re: #89 mmmirele

Why is it that people care about that and not the other stuff I tweet about? Scientology, the fact that the Arizona Senate doesn’t like our First Amendment rights, child abuse, etc. What is it about *this* tweet?

Same reason so many people go “meh” when a prostitute is murdered, but are all OMG OH NOES when it’s an ordinary, “upstanding” citizen seemingly victimized at random. They’re forced to realize they’re not immune.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:22:31pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Lasermuskets are sick. I got a mutant killer one early in the game one time, was able to one shot most supermutants after that.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:22:35pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

Bannon must be whispering again in Trump’s ear about sending troops to Chicago.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:22:40pm

re: #105 Nyet

Reload the comment, I hid it under spoiler.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:22:47pm

It’s a shitton of work to maintain a fake persona on a blog like this. Not saying it’s impossible - far from it - but in terms of time investment versus impact (what’s the gain?) I don’t think this is a high value target.

Twitter’s a lot easier. You confine yourself to one or two topics, no need to reference the kind of things in life that make you a three dimensional person. You need to maintain your anonymity, no need to build any kind of relationships. Easy mask to take on and off. Work from what’s publicly known, embroider it a little bit, and voila, recipe for the satisfaction of pulling the wool over the eyes of thousands of people for as long as you can keep from crowing about it somewhere they might find out. And there are definitely people out there who get off on that sort of thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:23:48pm

re: #89 mmmirele

I don’t even get this. I’ve never, ever had a tweet or retweet take off like this. It’s about that SFO to JFK flight yesterday where customs was checking “papers.”

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Why is it that people care about that and not the other stuff I tweet about? Scientology, the fact that the Arizona Senate doesn’t like our First Amendment rights, child abuse, etc. What is it about *this* tweet?

Because white people are suddenly seeing that it’s happening to them, too.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:23:52pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

But in any event, if you want to block me, uh…have at it…

I don’t think I have retweeted the above account in awhile, but what can I say?

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:25:09pm

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:26:05pm

re: #90 JordanRules

As a woman, it’s exactly as I would have written her FWIW.

You’re a woman?!?!? Damn green footballs are so misleading…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:26:26pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

You’re a woman?!?!? Damn green footballs are so misleading…

I’m a cat.

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mmmirele  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:26:52pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

And yes, I had a black person reply in that way, and I acknowledged that yes, people of privilege were now experiencing what people of color had been experiencing for a long time.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:27:07pm

re: #112 Scottish Dragon

I think this comment #105 says it all about “Rogue” White House Twitter accounts.

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SteelPH  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:27:13pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

You’re a woman?!?!? Damn green footballs are so misleading…

I’m a horse.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:27:20pm
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:28:04pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Alt man

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:28:20pm

re: #105 Nyet

Some of the “rogue WH” accounts:

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Let’s face it, it’s a genre.

Like “Amish Romances”, but less sexy and well-crafted.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:28:32pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

What about the guy that yelled “get out of my country”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:29:16pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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and a child is shot and killed every 17 hours in Florida….
miamiherald.com

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:29:29pm

re: #122 Belafon

What about the guy that yelled “get out of my country”?

Wovoka?

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:29:35pm

re: #118 SteelPH

I’m a horse.

Damn good looking horse, too!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:29:43pm

re: #122 Belafon

What about the guy that yelled “get out of my country”?

He’ll never ever mention that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:29:55pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Like “Amish Romances”, but less sexy and well-crafted.

Like “Amish for Trump” but not really Amish…

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:30:22pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

They only want the old angry male WASP to have guns.

If everyone had a gun, the old angry male WASPs would be wiped out and the GOP would cease to exist.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:30:57pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think he links Chicago to Obama so it will unfortunately get more of his attention

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:31:36pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

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Just a reminder. Discovery of a White House push to quash an FBI investigation into administration criminal activities was the “Smoking Gun” that ultimately took down Richard Nixon as part of the Watergate coverup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:31:40pm

re: #129 JordanRules

I think he links Chicago to Obama so it will unfortunately get more of his attention

He links to Chicago because he is just race baiting and stupid.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:32:55pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe so. Still, I am skeptical about the ‘lulz’ angle since it does not angle towards sensationalism. ‘Lulz’ types would almost certainly want to put out real nasty stuff about Melania or Kellyanne to get more attention…but as others here have noted, the info on the account seems pretty much in line with what we have already seen in most of these characters.

So Occam does apply to some degree. If real, it confirms what we already actually know from other sources for the most part aside from some minor anecdotes.

If fictional and meant to serve a purpose, the purpose is so obscure at this point as to defy description right now (which might go along with the inner power struggle theory if we are not actually the target audience)

If not meant to serve any purpose and not sensational, then you really do get into why somebody would bother? Again, the broader strokes are already being leaked to major newspapers anyway. This why I think the razor cuts the way it does (built in assumption the the writer is a rational actor with rational motivation)

Dinner now, bbl maybe.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:33:32pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

He links to Chicago because he is just race baiting and stupid.

He’s a racist, an anti-Semite and revels in white supremacism.

The GOP does wholeheartedly, too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:34:50pm

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

Maybe so. Still, I am skeptical about the ‘lulz’ angle since it does not angle towards sensationalism. ‘Lulz’ types would almost certainly want to put out real nasty stuff about Melania or Kellyanne to get more attention…but as others here have noted, the info on the account seems pretty much in line with what we have already seen in most of these characters.

So Occam does apply to some degree. If real, it confirms what we already actually know from other sources for the most part aside from some minor anecdotes.

If fictional and meant to serve a purpose, the purpose is so obscure at this point as to defy description right now (which might go along with the inner power struggle theory if we are not actually the target audience)

If not meant to serve any purpose and not sensational, then you really do get into why somebody would bother? Again, the broader strokes are already being leaked to major newspapers anyway. This why I think the razor cuts the way it does (built in assumption the the writer is a rational actor with rational motivation)

Dinner now, bbl maybe.

I see we’ve found the disconnect.

I don’t assume that at all, given my experience with what 4channers have done in the past.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:34:53pm

re: #122 Belafon

What about the guy that yelled “get out of my country”?

….but Chicago.

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LastYearsMan  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:35:03pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

That’s why it’s such a difficult problem. You are 100% correct that telling voters they are stupid is not a winning political strategy.

Personally, I think the problem is that Democrats get off on administrative competence porn. Whenever they go there (Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Hillary), the electorate just doesn’t respond.

I mean, I get it. “Competence” sounds like it should be the bare minimum for governing, so when the GOP demonstrates they aren’t, it’s really tempting to hammer on this issue. But voters want big picture stuff too. Barack and Bill were great at that — plus they had competence. Hillary tried, but Trump’s sheer awfulness was so overwhelming (and media saturating) that it was hard to go for the high ground.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:35:07pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

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Can we say “illegal”? This White House has been so scandalous and we’re just over a month. This cannot go on for 4 years.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:35:37pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

No argument there. His fucked up brain does weird associations and grudges, but yeah it’s racism at the end of the dark days.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:37:14pm

re: #112 Scottish Dragon

But in any event, if you want to block me, uh…have at it…

I don’t think I have retweeted the above account in awhile, but what can I say?

I’ve retweeted all of them at various times. They’re funny, true or not.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:37:16pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:37:54pm

re: #134 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I see we’ve found the disconnect.

I don’t assume that at all, given my experience with what 4channers have done in the past.

But why automatically assume you are dealing with 4chan? That would be as theoretically unknowable, would it not?

Anyways, it has been interesting, but I am hungry.

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Bass Reeves  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:40:00pm

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

If fictional, in my opinion, some of them are likely still affiliated with staff in the WH. My theory is that there are one or two accounts run by the same person, or two people colluding, to basically obfuscate. The continued narrative is that the administration is filled with incompetence, and that is a result of a lack of competence at the top. That narrative is *false*. The administration is filled with people who are very competent, just not at anything we want them to be competent at doing. Running ratf*cking accounts bolsters the narrative that everything is on fire and about to collapse, which kind of obscures that almost nothing has been done to really successfully stop the agenda.

Flynn gone doesn’t change Russia involvement, or the rollback on sanctions, or allowing the FSB to communicate with American business. Changing the text of an EO on immigration didn’t stop ICE from pulling someone out of a hospital bed. So far, the administration is effectively paralyzing government in some places, destroying citizen protections in others, and playing the base like a fiddle all the while. Nothing those twitter accounts say change that.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:41:27pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been to Bowling Green many times.

I am a survivor…and I could tell you tales that would raise the hair up on the back of your neck…

The earth swallowing Corvettes whole…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:41:44pm

oh look, the yam is sucking up to a rich guy:

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:42:09pm

Trump’s got his phone back and tweeting the usual assorted dumbassery:

Taking credit for the economy (which he’s done jack shit for) and complaining about crime in Chicago (a running theme that seems to ignore that the community beyond the gates at #EmolumentsViolation Resort has a higher crime rate (that’s per capita, and that’s how you compare crime).

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:42:26pm

re: #136 LastYearsMan

Personally, I think the problem is that Democrats get off on administrative competence porn. Whenever they go there (Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Hillary), the electorate just doesn’t respond.

I mean, I get it. “Competence” sounds like it should be the bare minimum for governing, so when the GOP demonstrates they aren’t, it’s really tempting to hammer on this issue. But voters want big picture stuff too. Barack and Bill were great at that — plus they had competence. Hillary tried, but Trump’s sheer awfulness was so overwhelming (and media saturating) that it was hard to go for the high ground.

Clinton won the popular vote and lost in the electoral college by razor-thin margins in three states. Against Trump.

This should not have been a remotely close election, and a large fraction of the blame really does fall on the electorate. As you say, Trump’s awfulness was overwhelming, and yet this was a non-issue for way too many voters.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:44:29pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

..Trump’s awfulness was overwhelming, and yet this was a non-issue for way too many voters.

Celebrity, and fantasy, trumped reality.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:46:06pm

re: #1 Nyet

Now, that is a fitting insult.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:47:12pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:47:14pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

Or don’t like women getting their p^ssies grabbed. Either way.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:47:34pm

re: #141 Scottish Dragon

But why automatically assume you are dealing with 4chan? That would be as theoretically unknowable, would it not?

Anyways, it has been interesting, but I am hungry.

Why do you automatically rule them out?

I make the assumption that they are a real possibility based on my time on the Internet. And given that possibility and the non-zero number involved, I have to err on the side of caution.

We’re social creatures. Standing up and saying “I think this is real” comes with a cost if it ends up that that isn’t the case. How much of your reputation are you willing to stake on it being real? Because that’s ultimately what the question is: what credibility are you willing to lose if you advocate for something as real that isn’t?

I prefer to keep my skepticism in place, particularly when there are red flags (like there are here). PARTICULARLY when the topic is one rife for anonymous accounts claiming things that I want to hear, about how it’s a shitshow. Confirmation bias is strong. The best way I know to counter it is to demand extra evidence. Truthiness isn’t something I aspire to. If I’m going to mock the other side for accepting things that they want to be true with no evidence, I have to be damn sure I’m not falling into the same trap myself.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:47:42pm
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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:48:11pm

re: #30 Scottish Dragon

Angrywhstaffer tweet timeline goes from dystopic comedy to holy shit depressing…

re: #33 Nyet

> I got to hang out with Melania alone for 10 minutes last night. She is literally the saddest person I’ve ever met.

It’s not even good fiction because this alone would get their identity exposed in a sec.

re: #36 Belafon

I’m of the opinion that this is not a person on the inside. But, if only one of those is true, that would still be a big deal. This is definitely one of those cases where we have to worry about confirmation bias.

re: #37 Scottish Dragon

I’m really wondering about that…but this would have been at Mar-A -Lago last weekend and a lot harder to track wrt to who was where and when than it would have been at the White House. Also pretty sure Melania isn’t going to say names. It has been fucking obvious from day one she is not happy and she is not moving into the White House.

So I am still going with plausible for now. The Bannon bits look very credible.

If it’s not someone on the inside for real, their insight serves them well, as Obi-Wan once told Luke Skywalker.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:49:00pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Trump being a dim-witted racist piece of shit is, in large part, why he is President*. His voters in both the Republican primary and the general election liked that about him.

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wrenchwench  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:51:04pm

re: #148 b_sharp

Where am I? Am I on twitter?

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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:51:48pm

re: #154 EPR-radar

Trump being a dim-witted racist piece of shit is, in large part, why he is President*. His voters in both the Republican primary and the general election liked that about him.

Because, to his supporters, Trump “tells it like it is”, which, in reality, means he’s a lying sack of shit.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:52:13pm

I saw a B-52 low and turning over the islands today on the way back from work (on President Street in east Savannah). They were turning a bit steep for a BUFF and had enough throttle on to leave smoke. There’s plenty of Army and Marine aviation around here, but I haven’t seen a B-52 in the flesh in years.

For a few moments I pondered the possibility that Trump had finally fucked us all, and bombs were in the air. I think the Concerned Scientists are right, we’re closer to really horrible shit than we’ve been in a couple of decades, and for all the worst reasons. I can’t believe Bannon is at CPAC espousing his nihilist fuckery, and supposedly principled Conservatives just lap it up.

I can’t believe I ever voted Republican.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:52:55pm

re: #148 b_sharp

{{{hugs}}} So glad you are still with us! You doing ok, yes? (well, as best can be expected, that is)

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:54:17pm
> I got to hang out with Melania alone for 10 minutes last night. She is literally the saddest person I’ve ever met.

It’s not even good fiction because this alone would get their identity exposed in a sec.

Unless there was more than one person around when she said this… It’s not impossible. But yeah, time will tell if any of these accounts are real.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:54:29pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:54:49pm

Having a bit of fun on a rightwing board today. I asked if a person who violated immigration laws and then got naturalized should be stripped of their citizenship and deported. The reaction, of course, was “You bet!” Then I revealed they all just agreed to deport Melania back to Slovenia.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:54:55pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:55:32pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:55:48pm

re: #147 freetoken

Celebrity, and fantasy, trumped reality.

And people placing their internal wish lists onto his word salad of promises.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:55:52pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{{hugs}}} So glad you are still with us! You doing ok, yes? (well, as best can be expected, that is)

Thanks. I’m home now, had my first good meal in 4 days & the dog is back to chewing on a chunk of rawhide I gave him on Monday morning.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:56:06pm

Lots of @Trump_Regrets tweets coming from folks who are regretting their Fuckface Von Clownstick votes because he rescinded federal protections for transgender people using public bathrooms.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:56:08pm

I’ve written before about my best friend of 30 years and I no longer speaking because he became a Trump supporter and we could no longer have a civil conversation. That was in November.

He’s informed me he’s back on the side of sanity and apologized. Why?

He’s from Chicago and Trump’s tweets about Chicago and threats to send in…someone to clean it up have him so incandescent with rage he’s completely turned around.

“Chicago takes care of its own. He needs to leave us the fu^k alone. Who the hell does he think he is? He’s not from here. That’s OUR city.”

I managed not to say “I told you so.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:56:42pm

re: #160 b_sharp

Hoping you make a complete recovery!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:56:51pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:58:38pm

re: #163 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:59:23pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:59:25pm

re: #170 b_sharp

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:59:33pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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If you have that perspective, you’ll be fine. I worked with a guy who had that happen AT WORK a few years ago and he just marked it as a big life event, changed his diet, and got on with it. He’s pretty happy. Weirdly nihilist - and a Trumpie (rolleyes) - but happy.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 4:59:49pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:00:08pm

re: #170 b_sharp

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I would think that bankruptcy would be stress inducing, and not conducive to a full recovery.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:00:18pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:00:26pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:01:30pm

re: #174 b_sharp

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:01:33pm

re: #173 Pawn of the Oppressor

If you have that perspective, you’ll be fine. I worked with a guy who had that happen AT WORK a few years ago and he just marked it as a big life event, changed his diet, and got on with it. He’s pretty happy. Weirdly nihilist - and a Trumpie (rolleyes) - but happy.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:02:07pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:02:31pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:02:38pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

example of really lame RWNJ “humor”

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:02:42pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a fucking idiot.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:03:19pm

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:04:00pm

re: #182 b_sharp

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:04:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:04:43pm

re: #184 Nyet

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George Bush the Lesser had the same kind of hubris coming out of his election.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:05:32pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:05:34pm

Another tweet goes wild… RTed by all kinds of celebrity types.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:05:58pm

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:06:03pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:06:23pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:06:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:06:51pm

re: #187 Nyet

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LOL, an eejit from UK is lecturing you and everyone else about America.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:07:10pm

re: #187 Nyet

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Could he be any more wrong?

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:07:19pm

Looks like Pence has decided to tweet the same noxious BS everyone else in the Admin does.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:08:34pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:09:43pm

re: #118 SteelPH

I’m a Roman senator horse…ghost.

Ave.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:09:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:09:55pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:10:24pm

re: #198 b_sharp

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Stanley Sea  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:10:30pm
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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:10:40pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Fuck White House “Rogue” Twitter accounts. Fuck ‘em. Stupid fake news bullshit.

I agree. Anyone who’s gotten through the door into White House staff are most likely hard core cultists. And if it was real, Bannon would be administering sodium pentothal like it was tequila at happy hour to find out who was leaking.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:10:55pm

re: #199 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m a Roman senator horse…ghost.

Ave.

Ave, ave, Versus Christus…

Sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:10:57pm

re: #197 lawhawk

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:11:33pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:11:35pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is the enemy of democracy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:11:43pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tell that to lady with a brain tumor who is being held by ICE, you asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:13:05pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Another tweet goes wild… RTed by all kinds of celebrity types.

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But the Democrats are just awful for voting against or trying to block any of them. // Next up, why do white blood cells hate viruses?

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:13:20pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:13:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:14:08pm
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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:14:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:16:05pm

re: #214 Nyet

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Dude it should have been obvious how he felt about the LGBTQ community when he made Pence his running mate and had Bannon running key parts of his campaign. I am sorry but this is exactly why I don’t feel sorry for these people. Trump didn’t really hide a lot of his agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:16:41pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Liberal activists aka people who have actually benefited from ACA. Here’s a deal Mike, maybe you and your family give up your government insurance if you think government health care is so bad.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:17:45pm

I am glad to see people frustrated but at the same time, I’m frustrated at hell by people who are shocked by Trump being what he is too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:17:59pm

Maybe we all got that story from the GOP Congresscritter yesterday backwards…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:18:37pm

re: #212 Nyet

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Gives me pause about the reasoning powers of pot smokers.

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:19:11pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I am glad to see people frustrated but at the same time, I’m frustrated at hell by people who are shocked by Trump being what he is too.

It’s a chance for the Dems to win them back, true, and it should be done. But on a personal level: fuck them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:19:22pm

re: #221 Barefoot Grin

Gives me pause about the reasoning powers of pot smokers.

Seriously what at all about Trump’s campaign made this guy think he would be sympathetic to pot smokers?

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Nyet  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:19:58pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Seriously what at all about Trump’s campaign made this guy think he would be sympathetic to pot smokers?

Because it was so unreal, dude.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:20:01pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Seriously what at all about Trump’s campaign made this guy think he would be sympathetic to pot smokers?

I have one word for people like this: Sessions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:20:21pm

re: #222 Nyet

It’s a chance for the Dems to win them back, true, and it should be done. But on a personal level: fuck them.

Hence the debate earlier. I don’t care if it makes me sound like a snob or not. These people legitimately piss me off because of their ignorance.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:20:21pm

re: #221 Barefoot Grin

Gives me pause about the reasoning powers of pot smokers.

It shouldn’t. It’s just a right wing douche who didn’t think and blindly supported a tyrant.
I knew what Republicans would do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:20:53pm

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

I have one word for people like this: Sessions.

I’ll take your Sessions and raise you a Giuliani.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:21:00pm

re: #214 Nyet

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:21:01pm

re: #222 Nyet

It’s a chance for the Dems to win them back, true, and it should be done. But on a personal level: fuck them.

The voters should get what they voted for, good and hard. Then maybe they’ll vote for their interests in the mid-terms.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:21:01pm

A lot of voters really treated it with seriousness of an American Idol vote .

Have mercy!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #227 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

It shouldn’t. It’s just a right wing douche who didn’t think and blindly supported a tyrant.
I knew what Republicans would do.

As a former (and maybe future, if it gets legalized where I live) user, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. I know it didn’t come across that way.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:22:03pm

Enjoying some cannabis called Third Dimension that I legally purchased from a store. Better enjoy it while I can, the store might go bye bye and I’ll have to rely on “my guy” again, and probably spend more money (black market weed before legalization was very expensive, not so much now).

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:22:55pm

re: #212 Nyet

Twotone Malone, and perhaps millions like him, were willfully self-deluded idiots in voting for Trump. Perhaps they will learn their lessons.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:24:18pm

I mean I’m sorry but even if you only got local newspapers, TV, and radio. You still should have known better. Do I want these people to suffer? No, because this means we all will but I definitely do feel like smacking them and asking what the fuck is wrong with them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:24:32pm

Really pisses me off every time the GOP starts on about small businesses and family farms.
To them:
“small business” = multi-million dollar LLCs
“family farms” = huge livestock/grain operations that could not stay in business without federal farm subsidies and/or below market grazing rents on federal lands.

I have a small business AND own a family farm. They aren’t talking about my small business or family farm.
(Disclaimer: I *did* get some small government assistance as a result of the tobacco buyout (about $1200/year) to transition to other crops, but that all stopped after the sequester.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:25:30pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Twotone Malone, and perhaps millions like him, were willfully self-deluded idiots in voting for Trump. Perhaps they will learn their lessons.

We don’t have time for psychotherapy for every asshole who couldn’t see this coming. Spend our time on the young, on the apathetic, and on lazy Dems.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:25:38pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really pisses me off every time the GOP starts on about small businesses and family farms.
To them:
“small business” = multi-million dollar LLCs
“family farms” = huge livestock/grain operations that could not stay in business without federal farm subsidies and/or below market grazing rents on federal lands.

I have a small business AND own a family farm. They aren’t talking about my small business or family farm.
(Disclaimer: I *did* get some small government assistance as a result of the tobacco buyout (about $1200/year) to transition to other crops, but that all stopped after the sequester.

I hear ya. My Dad had a small business when I was a little kid. Bush-Quayle weren’t interested in businesses like that and neither are Trump-Pence.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:25:52pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

My fear—not quite a suspicion yet—is that Sessions and pals decided they weren’t going to give up such an efficient source of felony drug convictions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:26:00pm

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

I have one word for people like this: Sessions.

And it’s not like Sessions was some yuuuuge sekrit during the campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:27:00pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

And it’s not like Sessions was some yuuuuge sekrit during the campaign.

Indeed. And furthermore it’s not like Trump himself even as much as he did lie indicated any willingness to let things be with regards to marijuana.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:27:02pm

re: #239 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

My fear—not quite a suspicion yet—is that Sessions and pals decided they weren’t going to give up such an efficient source of felony drug convictions.

Also, way to stick it to black people.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:27:43pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I mean I’m sorry but even if you only got local newspapers, TV, and radio. You still should have known better. Do I want these people to suffer? No, because this means we all will but I definitely do feel like smacking them and asking what the fuck is wrong with them.

I know a political campaign can’t do this, but at a more personal level these questions really do need to be asked of recovering Trump supporters: 1) Have you figured out what your mental malfunction was that led you to vote for Trump? and 2) What have you done to ensure you don’t fall for the next demagogue that tells you lies you want to hear?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:27:54pm
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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:28:07pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:28:38pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really pisses me off every time the GOP starts on about small businesses and family farms.
To them:
“small business” = multi-million dollar LLCs
“family farms” = huge livestock/grain operations that could not stay in business without federal farm subsidies and/or below market grazing rents on federal lands.

I have a small business AND own a family farm. They aren’t talking about my small business or family farm.
(Disclaimer: I *did* get some small government assistance as a result of the tobacco buyout (about $1200/year) to transition to other crops, but that all stopped after the sequester.

My Representative, bless her soul, voted to keep her $9000 dollar hobbyfarm subsidy in the same session she voted to cut SNAP. This week she’s politikn’ in the next state, but hasn’t scheduled a town hall here.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:28:57pm

re: #197 lawhawk

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Looks like Pence has decided to tweet the same noxious BS everyone else in the Admin does.

He’s a random pompous bromide generator. Nothing he says means anything.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:29:13pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

I know a political campaign can’t do this, but at a more personal level these questions really do need to be asked of recovering Trump supporters: 1) Have you figured out what your mental malfunction was that led you to vote for Trump? and 2) What have you done to ensure you don’t fall for the next demagogue that tells you lies you want to hear.

Right on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:29:49pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

My Representative, bless her soul, voted to keep her $9000 dollar hobbyfarm subsidy in the same session she voted to cut SNAP. This week she’s politikn’ in the next state, but hasn’t scheduled a town hall here.

I guess at least she’s in the same country. Rubio told his constituents that he was going to be in Europe.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:29:52pm

re: #247 b_sharp

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:30:14pm

re: #212 Nyet

Look up “karma” in the dictionary and you’ll see a pic of this bozo.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:30:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:30:48pm

Oh, so there’s a town hall tomorrow night in the country sea. I think I might go after I get ballot petitions signed.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:30:53pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:31:16pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

Truth and reconciliation committee!!!

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:32:08pm

Charles, well done on the private comment system. Much more useful & far more intuitive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:32:51pm

Wait I think I’d need to sign up for that TH. Oh well, can always work on petitions outside of it or something like that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:32:52pm

Another surprise. Not. DOJ rescinds Obama Administration plan to close for-profit prisons.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:32:53pm

re: #239 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

My fear—not quite a suspicion yet—is that Sessions and pals decided they weren’t going to give up such an efficient source of felony drug convictions.

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, way to stick it to black people.

Meet Sessions’ partner-in-crime, the most bloody-handed prosecutor in the country, master of the all-white jury:

nytimes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:33:29pm

re: #247 b_sharp

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:34:00pm

re: #253 Myron Falwell

Welp, I can’t fabricate a better example of how everything is not just politicized, but turned into some kind of sad partisan posturing.

Guess I picked the wrong week to give up laudanum. Wait…what week is it?

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:34:04pm

re: #260 Big Beautiful Door

Wonder how many in the swamp own stock?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:34:31pm

re: #260 Big Beautiful Door

Another surprise. Not. DOJ rescinds Obama Administration plan to close for-profit prisons.

This all with what we know about the horrors of the prison for profit industry. Going to have to let my dad know about this one. He watched 13 and was horrified to hear about the private prison industry.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:34:44pm

Offered without comment.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:34:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:35:03pm

re: #264 JordanRules

Wonder how many in the swamp own stock?

All of them, Katie.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:35:23pm

re: #258 b_sharp

Charles, well done on the private comment system. Much more useful & far more intuitive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:35:39pm

re: #264 JordanRules

Wonder how many in the swamp own stock?

Damn good question.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:36:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:37:31pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:37:44pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Damn good question.

I’m sure that odious Jason Chaffetz smegma felcher will get right on investigating Trump and his officials profiting in the stock market that way.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:38:05pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I mean I’m sorry but even if you only got local newspapers, TV, and radio. You still should have known better. Do I want these people to suffer? No, because this means we all will but I definitely do feel like smacking them and asking what the fuck is wrong with them.

The other day I saw an interview with a young man in W. VA who voted for Trump and I just wanted to cry. He got laid off from his job in a coal mine. He has a wife and two little kids and just wants to be the good dad/husband his own father wasn’t. He wants to work in coal mining and make a good salary so he can do that.
Clinton said coal wasn’t coming back and Trump said he bring those jobs back and this young man was unsophisticated enough to go with the promise.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:39:23pm

When they start making their yuuuge prison population (yuuger, it’s already too big) do labor projects and profit a couple ways on the front and back end will it still be a stretch to call the PIC modern day slavery?

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:39:39pm

re: #274 calochortus

The other day I saw an interview with a young man in W. VA who voted for Trump and I just wanted to cry. He got laid off from his job in a coal mine. He has a wife and two little kids and just wants to be the good dad/husband his own father wasn’t. He wants to work in coal mining and make a good salary so he can do that.
Clinton said coal wasn’t coming back and Trump said he bring those jobs back and this young man was unsophisticated enough to go with the promise.

I’m sorry, but believing in Republican promises these days is the political version of believing that playing in traffic is a good idea.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:40:34pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:40:44pm

Sen. Jason Rapert, the bullying preacher of Conway, continues his wild assault on reason by filing today his promised bill to force the renaming of the Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport.

Here’s the bill. It’s rigamarole, but the definition would make it illegal for the airport to be named after Clinton because it, among others, was built with public funds and the Clintons were living at the time the airport was renamed for them. The definition fits Hillary Clinton as well as Bill Clinton because she also held elected federal office, one of the disqualifying elements. Passenger fees, concessions and federal money operate the airport by the way. As a matter of state law, it’s governed by a commission appointed by the Little Rock City Board. The commission approved the name change almost four years ago.

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BigPapa  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:41:09pm

re: #273 EPR-radar

I’m sure that odious Jason Chaffetz smegma felcher will get right on investigating Trump and his officials profiting in the stock market that way.

That is totally wrong.

Somebody should talk to him about the smegma felching. And investigating everything but the Russian influence.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:41:22pm

re: #267 teleskiguy

New page.

Why? I was just getting used to this one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:41:25pm

re: #275 JordanRules

When they start making their yuuuge prison population (yuuger, it’s already too big) do labor projects and profit a couple ways on the front and back end will it still be a stretch to call the PIC modern day slavery?

somebody has to pick those fruits and veggies now that the migrant workers are gone…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:41:42pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:42:01pm
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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:42:42pm

re: #276 EPR-radar

I’m sorry, but believing in Republican promises these days is the political version of believing that playing in traffic is a good idea.

True, but where was a 20 year old in W VA going to hear about the dangers of traffic Trump?
A lack of sophistication is not necessarily a sign that someone is evil.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:42:42pm

re: #277 b_sharp

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:43:23pm

re: #274 calochortus

The other day I saw an interview with a young man in W. VA who voted for Trump and I just wanted to cry. He got laid off from his job in a coal mine. He has a wife and two little kids and just wants to be the good dad/husband his own father wasn’t. He wants to work in coal mining and make a good salary so he can do that.
Clinton said coal wasn’t coming back and Trump said he bring those jobs back and this young man was unsophisticated enough to go with the promise.

I do feel bad for people like this.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:43:28pm

re: #275 JordanRules

When they start making their yuuuge prison population (yuuger, it’s already too big) do labor projects and profit a couple ways on the front and back end will it still be a stretch to call the PIC modern day slavery?

It was always, by exception:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:44:48pm

re: #283 teleskiguy

Ivan Albright is what I always think of.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:44:56pm

I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again. And I understand that Clinton didn’t communicate on the issue the best.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:45:08pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Right, so they did their research to create the legal modern day version.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:45:09pm

re: #284 calochortus

True, but where was a 20 year old in W VA going to hear about the dangers of traffic Trump?
A lack of sophistication is not necessarily a sign that someone is evil.

The UMW is well-known in WVA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:45:12pm

re: #284 calochortus

True, but where was a 20 year old in W VA going to hear about the dangers of traffic Trump?
A lack of sophistication is not necessarily a sign that someone is evil.

Hillary visited West Virginia and explained everything. The local papers and TV covered it.
These miners wanted to believe a fairy tale instead.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:45:16pm

re: #273 EPR-radar

I’m sure that odious Jason Chaffetz smegma felcher will get right on investigating Trump and his officials profiting in the stock market that way.

True karma will be Chaffetz getting led out of Capitol Hill handcuffed, wearing chains and being frog marched down the streets of DC.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:46:00pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:47:01pm

re: #115 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m a cat.

Obviously.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:47:29pm

re: #293 Myron Falwell

True karma will be Chaffetz getting led out of Capitol Hill handcuffed, wearing chains and being frog marched down the streets of DC.

I’m really hoping McMullin sees the blood in the water and primaries him. I won’t agree with most of McMullin’s votes when push comes to shove but I think he’d at least respect the office and not go on pathetic witchhunts to distract from his party’s president being a crook.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:48:44pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again. And I understand that Clinton didn’t communicate on the issue the best.

The coal mines aren’t there anymore, it’s all mountaintop removal now that needs a fraction of the workers, and those workers are demolition and heavy equipment and truck drivers.

The market isn’t there anymore.

And I don’t know how Hillary could have communicated it any better than she did: those old jobs are gone, they aren’t coming back, so here’s my plan for new job training for jobs that are better paying and safer.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:49:07pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again. And I understand that Clinton didn’t communicate on the issue the best.

They got the idea from Trump who said he’d do that.
re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary visited West Virginia and explained everything. The local papers and TV covered it.
These miners wanted to believe a fairy tale instead.

And yes, it was a fairy tale.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:49:19pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

The UMW is well-known in WVA.

Blair Mountain

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:49:48pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

The coal mines aren’t there anymore, it’s all mountaintop removal now that needs a fraction of the workers, and those workers are demolition and heavy equipment and truck drivers.

The market isn’t there anymore.

And I don’t know how Hillary could have communicated it any better than she did: those old jobs are gone, they aren’t coming back, so here’s my plan for new job training for jobs that are better paying and safer.

You’re right and know far better than I living in KY. I think a lot of them simply didn’t want to hear what she was saying and bought the bullshit propaganda hook line and sinker.

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EPR-radar  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:49:49pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again. And I understand that Clinton didn’t communicate on the issue the best.

Truth isn’t going to do well in a competition vs. lies that people want to believe.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:50:25pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

The UMW is well-known in WVA.

My UMW great grandaddies are probably flipping over in their grave seeing how Trump conned so many of their descendants.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:50:26pm

re: #115 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m a cat.

Wagahai wa neko de aru (Natsume Soseki). It’s worth a read.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:51:10pm

re: #298 calochortus

They got the idea from Trump who said he’d do that.

And yes, it was a fairy tale.

And Mitch, and Manchin, and all the rest of the GOP who swore they would open up the mines again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:51:30pm

re: #301 EPR-radar

Truth isn’t going to do well in a competition vs. lies that people want to believe.

And that’s the problem with politics. ANd it’s why I never subscribed to Sanders as well. I think Sanders was making false promises as well. I think Clinton was far more honest than either Sanders or Trump when it came to life in this country. And so many people left and right hated her for that.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:53:49pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Agreed and Clinton was very frank about race too so that didn’t serve her well with a lot of folks. It was important for so many though and the right thing to do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:54:11pm

I haven’t done a pie in a while and I had this big old bag of blueberries in the freezer so…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:54:13pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

You’re right and know far better than I living in KY. I think a lot of them simply didn’t want to hear what she was saying and bought the bullshit propaganda hook line and sinker.

A friend used to jokingly say, when asked a question, “Do you want an honest answer? Or a friendly lie?”

Lots people chose the ‘friendly lie’ that Trump would bring back the 1950s. Oddly enough, they were almost exclusively white. But, you know, the blacks and browns vote for Democrats because of ‘Free Stuff’.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:54:28pm

The fact is economies change and ours did too. Those who want us to return to the New Deal economics. I’m sympathetic believe me but how do you convince an electorate of that who wasn’t even completely sold on ACA? And let’s be honest the WWC was far more sympathetic to lefty economics when they thought they would be the only ones benefitting from the programs. The reason why the WWC left he Democrats isn’t because the Dems sold them out, it’s because a lot of the WWC hated that the Democrats began to champion the rights of women, LGBT people, minorities, and immigrants the same way they have working people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:54:59pm

A little bit dark around the edges but I am sure it will go down real easy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:55:00pm

And these coal miners who think those old jobs were so great? The pay was crap, the hours were long, the UMW was mostly shut out, and all safety regulations were completely ignored.
It was always a crapshoot if you would come home alive at the end of your shift.
Oh, and black lung…if you were looking for those benefits, the GOP has already said fuck you.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:55:22pm

Evening Lizardim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:55:30pm

re: #306 JordanRules

Agreed and Clinton was very frank about race too so that didn’t serve her well with a lot of folks. It was important for so many though and the right thing to do.

She was far better on race than anyone. Sanders was just using the fact that he had as a young man done good things in the Civil Rights Movement. Good for him but it was patronizing as hell for him and his campaign to use that when talking with minority communities.

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LastYearsMan  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:55:45pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

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God knows I have no intention of going to the US for business or fun if I can avoid it. Not with this bunch of freaks running things. Already moved one potential event from Vegas to Barcelona.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:55:49pm

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend used to jokingly say, when asked a question, “Do you want an honest answer? Or a friendly lie?”

Lots people chose the ‘friendly lie’ that Trump would bring back the 1950s. Oddly enough, they were almost exclusively white. But, you know, the blacks and browns vote for Democrats because of ‘Free Stuff’.

Exactly.

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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:56:01pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Offered without comment.

Well @realDonaldTrump, from one Republican to another, this is a disaster. You made a promise to protect the LGBTQ community. Call me. pic.twitter.com

— Caitlyn Jenner (@Caitlyn_Jenner) February 24, 2017

Trump & Co.’s response:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:56:03pm

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

A little bit dark around the edges but I am sure it will go down real easy.

cover it with whipped cream…

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:56:11pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

I haven’t done a pie in a while and I had this big old bag of blueberries in the freezer so…

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I’ll be right over.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:56:19pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Drool…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:56:40pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

And these coal miners who think those old jobs were so great? The pay was crap, the hours were long, the UMW was mostly shut out, and all safety regulations were completely ignored.
It was always a crapshoot if you would come home alive at the end of your shift.
Oh, and black lung…if you were looking for those benefits, the GOP has already said fuck you.

That is exactly what the GOP is looking for: Crap pay, slave labor, no unions, no safety regulations to introduce overhead into the precious profit margin. Workers can be replaced, money cannot.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:57:18pm

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

A little bit dark around the edges but I am sure it will go down real easy.

You’re cruel.
My stomach is growling.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:57:41pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

cover it with whipped cream…

I got a half gallon of vanilla ice cream.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:57:53pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

And these coal miners who think those old jobs were so great? The pay was crap, the hours were long, the UMW was mostly shut out, and all safety regulations were completely ignored.
It was always a crapshoot if you would come home alive at the end of your shift.
Oh, and black lung…if you were looking for those benefits, the GOP has already said fuck you.

I heard an outtake from a Frontline show on NPR the other day that paired an old-timer and a young guy with a newborn. Young guy: “all I ever wanted was to stay here, raise my family and work in the mines; that’s all I ever wanted.” Old guy: “all I wanted was to work hard and raise my family and work in the mines [gasp, gasp]; but now I tell young people if you see a mine, run like hell.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:57:53pm

re: #320 thedopefishlives

That is exactly what the GOP is looking for: Crap pay, slave labor, no unions, no safety regulations to introduce overhead into the precious profit margin. Workers can be replaced, money cannot.

Bootstraps!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:58:07pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blair Mountain

Note the echo of the Hatfield-McCoy unpleasantness. They still sounded Devil Anse’s horn at the Jenney Wiley festival in the 60’s.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:58:11pm

re: #321 b_sharp

You’re cruel.
My stomach is growling.

I just fried up chicken nuggets and steak fries for late night snacks for Mrs. Fish and myself. Lightly seasoned with salt and Old Bay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:58:21pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

And these coal miners who think those old jobs were so great? The pay was crap, the hours were long, the UMW was mostly shut out, and all safety regulations were completely ignored.
It was always a crapshoot if you would come home alive at the end of your shift.
Oh, and black lung…if you were looking for those benefits, the GOP has already said fuck you.

My mom’s grandfathers both died of black lung. In fact, the tough life of miners is exactly why my family lives in Virginia today. My mom’s dad didn’t want to work in the coal mines or steel mills. See, this is where I disagree about the whole helpless working class thing, Grandpa was a man with less than a high school education who after he got out of Korea got some vocational training and came down here to VA. HE never lost his Western Pa accents and ways but he made his home here because he wanted to choose his own destiny and not let the economy of Johnstown choose it for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:58:46pm

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

I got a half gallon of vanilla ice cream.

that’ll work

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majii  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:59:12pm

re: #145 lawhawk

“Trump’s got his phone back and tweeting the usual assorted dumbassery:”

Well, it might explain why a recently released poll noted that 58% of Americans are embarrassed that Trump is POTUS. What took them so long? I’ve been embarrassed for our country ever since he made his first comment attacking undocumented immigrants that came to America from Mexico.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 5:59:18pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

My dad was an on-site engineer for a coal mining company in West Virginia, my place of birth. My mom was incredibly unhappy with that job. Dad doesn’t talk about it much. Sometimes I wonder what happened during those short years.

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scottslemmons  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:00:25pm

re: #293 Myron Falwell

True karma will be Chaffetz getting led out of Capitol Hill handcuffed, wearing chains and being frog marched down the streets of DC.

That ain’t justice. That’s just an arrest.

True justice is going to involve railroad spikes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:00:34pm

Hey, wasn’t Trump going to begin his Amazing Plan to get rid of ISIS by now? You know, the one he wouldn’t reveal because then they’d know it?

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:00:50pm

Dinner time.
BBL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:01:02pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

My dad was an on-site engineer for a coal mining company in West Virginia, my place of birth. My mom was incredibly unhappy with that job. Dad doesn’t talk about it much. Sometimes I wonder what happened during those short years.

It was really really bad in the late 1960s though the 1970s.

Really bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:02:06pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:02:44pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was really really bad in the late 1960s though the 1970s.

Really bad.

This would’ve been the early 1980’s. I’m sure it’s not as bad as it could have been - if there’d been a collapse or something - but I wonder how many safety violations he had to endure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:02:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:02:54pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

My dad was an on-site engineer for a coal mining company in West Virginia, my place of birth. My mom was incredibly unhappy with that job. Dad doesn’t talk about it much. Sometimes I wonder what happened during those short years.

After Grandpa dropped out of high school. Not sure if it was born or after WWII, he worked in the steel mills a bit. He hated it. What I didn’t know until the very end of his life is that he considered going into the Air Force at one time. He either changed his mind or his murmur got him denied. Eventually when the Korean conflict started, he was drafted. He wasn’t a book smart guy so he didn’t want to go to college so he went to trade school and trained as a brickmason. He was able to work outside like he wanted to. My mom’s childhood was far from prosperous but she and my uncle were able to attend college and later my brothers and I were able to know our grandpa in a way Mom wasn’t able to know hers. I never thought of my grandfather as a sort of rebel before but in many ways he was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:04:14pm

re: #336 thedopefishlives

This would’ve been the early 1980’s. I’m sure it’s not as bad as it could have been - if there’d been a collapse or something - but I wonder how many safety violations he had to endure.

I would guess it’s the safety violations.
The late 60s and the 70s were the union busting times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:06:15pm
And so it begins…. Snow is beginning to fall across northern Iowa as blizzard warnings are now in effect.

Grassley can stock up on snowballs now…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:06:44pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was really really bad in the late 1960s though the 1970s.

Really bad.

I think I found a distant cousin who died in a mining disaster in that era. Not sure but as you got at already BWS, the benefits sucked and then there was the black lung. My mom’s grandfathers didn’t work in the mines because yay coal, they worked in the mines because as immigrants who had a tough grasp on the English language, it really was some of the only work they could have done and it took them from us way too early. When my grandma’s dad died, the doctors said he was a perfectly healthy man outside his lungs. Yes, the mines killed him and took him from his children and grandchildren way too young. I would have never known him regardless since he would have been 100 the year I was born but he would have been there for my mom the way his dad and brother were there for their grandkids.

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majii  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:07:25pm

re: #167 BlueGrl21

“I’ve written before about my best friend of 30 years and I no longer speaking because he became a Trump supporter and we could no longer have a civil conversation. That was in November.”

Your friend might be one of those Trump voters who thought that the things he pledged to do during the campaign would never come to fruition, and even if they did, it would have zero impact on them. Now they know. Trump’s best friend is Donald Trump. He didn’t give a sh*t about them when he was campaigning, and he doesn’t give a sh*t about them today. Oh, he’ll say he’s the president of the”little people,” but anyone paying close attention would note that just about every one of his appointees is a wealthy American.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:08:29pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would guess it’s the safety violations.
The late 60s and the 70s were the union busting times.

At least there were some federal mine safety standards introduced in the late 60’s to mid 70s. Too late for a lot of miners.

en.wikipedia.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:08:35pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would guess it’s the safety violations.
The late 60s and the 70s were the union busting times.

Employer: “You know, Unions are COMMUNISM!!! Don’t you want to be a free man, stand on your own two feet, and make your own deal with your employer? You don’t need anyone else to do that for you!”

Worker: “YEAH! Unions are bad! Right To Work is good!”

Later….

Employer: “No raises this year, plus we’re cutting your healthcare benefits.”

Worker: “WHAT?!? I’ll quit!”

Employer: “Go ahead. Lots more where you came from.”

Worker: “Damn Obama and his War On Coal!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:11:52pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

At least there were some federal mine safety standards introduced in the late 60’s to mid 70s. Too late for a lot of miners.

en.wikipedia.org

The Office of Surface Mining where I worked a couple years ago. Also another Carter era legacy. Carter was a flawed president in many ways but he got the environment I think as well as any president in the last 50 years.

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mmmirele  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:12:33pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:12:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:12:54pm
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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:13:27pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was really really bad in the late 1960s though the 1970s.

Really bad.

Every state cursed with deep veins of coal that needed shaft mining has thousands of dead from it. The entire industry was built on blood. Immigrant blood. That’s what makes me so angry with people like McConnell. His people were treated like trash, shot, ran off. Irish trash. Yet here he is along with far too many other Micks who now stand and piss and shit on people. Shameful.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:14:53pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Grassley can stock up on snowballs now…

It’s been interesting watching the forecast for the Twin Cities this week. Over the weekend the forecast was for 6-12” of snow. Around Tuesday it dropped to 5-8”, then 3-5” and now the forecast calls for less than an inch of ‘snow showers’. The storm warning area has just kept dropping further south. Thank you Iowa for taking our storm away.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:14:59pm

re: #349 nines09

Every state cursed with deep veins of coal that needed shaft mining has thousands of dead from it. The entire industry was built on blood. Immigrant blood. That’s what makes me so angry with people like McConnell. His people were treated like trash, shot, ran off. Irish trash. Yet here he is along with far too many other Micks who now stand and piss and shit on people. Shameful.

Well, this son of Eire isn’t going to take it. I’ve made my stand.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:15:15pm

re: #350 stpaulbear

It’s been interesting watching the forecast for the Twin Cities this week. Over the weekend the forecast was for 6-12” of snow. Around Tuesday it dropped to 5-8”, then 3-5” and now the forecast calls for less than an inch of ‘snow showers’. The storm warning area has just kept dropping further south. Thank you Iowa for taking our storm away.

Looks like I’m going to work tomorrow after all.

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b_sharp  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:15:52pm

re: #346 mmmirele

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:16:15pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

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What’s the Safe Word? WHAT’S THE SAFE WORD?!? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHAT’S THE SAFE WORD!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:16:36pm

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

8 year old boy, a mile underground, MacDonald WV 1908
Pennsylvania Breaker boys ehistory.osu.edu
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:17:57pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

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That is not in my skillset.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:18:42pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

At least there were some federal mine safety standards introduced in the late 60’s to mid 70s. Too late for a lot of miners.

en.wikipedia.org

But companies like Massey Energy just ignored those pesky rules.
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:18:53pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

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Yep and many of them were either poor immigrants like my family or poor people in WV/KY. I’m sure if my mom’s grandfather had it his way, he would have been a former like his father and fathers before him but Johnstown was a place that had a lot of people from not only his home country but his hometown as well. He worked his ass off not just so my grandma could have a better future but my mom and my brothers could do.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:19:18pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

You forgot the secret word?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:19:22pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

But companies like Massey Energy just ignored those pesky rules.
en.wikipedia.org

May Don Blankenship rot in hell.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:19:47pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

But companies like Massey Energy just ignored those pesky rules.
en.wikipedia.org

This is what I figure my dad ran into as an engineer. He probably saw a lot of things he’d rather he didn’t. West Virginia is a terribly exploited place.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:20:42pm

re: #349 nines09

Every state cursed with deep veins of coal that needed shaft mining has thousands of dead from it. The entire industry was built on blood. Immigrant blood. That’s what makes me so angry with people like McConnell. His people were treated like trash, shot, ran off. Irish trash. Yet here he is along with far too many other Micks who now stand and piss and shit on people. Shameful.

McConnell is Scotch-Irish I believe. I don’t think he’s from a recent immigrant family. I’m frustraetd too with the Irish-Americans who have forgotten how our ancestors were treated and treat people who have the same dreams our forefathers did like trash.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:22:22pm

re: #361 thedopefishlives

This is what I figure my dad ran into as an engineer. He probably saw a lot of things he’d rather he didn’t. West Virginia is a terribly exploited place.

I researched Appalachia heavily for a research paper in high school. It was just so sad to read about. Premature death rates through the ying yang, massive unemployment, and a lot of anger. These people shouldn’t be ignored at all but a lot of their problems have gotten worse by them listening to RW bullshit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:22:26pm

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:23:04pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

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Sophisticated school-business practicum—ask Sec’y DeVos.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:23:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:23:10pm

re: #359 freetoken

You forgot the secret word?

YouTube

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:23:25pm

PA has its mine horrors. Centralia PA mine fires still burn today.

en.wikipedia.org

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Myron Falwell  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:23:53pm

re: #331 scottslemmons

That ain’t justice. That’s just an arrest.

True justice is going to involve railroad spikes.

“What we got here…. is a failure to communicate!”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:25:21pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

But companies like Massey Energy just ignored those pesky rules.
en.wikipedia.org

Now, that’s just “Risk Management”. “The cost of compliance is twice that of the likely fine and court costs. Fuck ‘em.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:26:53pm

Sorry to do the no-true Irishman too. It’s just having Hannity, O’Reilly, Pence, Flynn, Bannon, (man I could go on!) is bad enough but hey we also got my Nana, Biden, Kaine, Casey, and others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:27:05pm

re: #359 freetoken

You forgot the secret word?

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:27:41pm

Interesting take:

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majii  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:29:46pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

“I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again.”

Come on now HW, we both know where they got the idea that the coal mining jobs would return if Trump were elected president—-out of the lying mouths of Trump and GOP politicians. Neither Mitch O’Connell nor Rand Paul or any other GOP pol from KY is concerned about bringing coal mining jobs back to the state. They’ve known the truth all along and made a conscious decision long ago to lie to everyone in the state and in the nation. They’re doing the same thing about their non-existent bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. They all have a common set of talking points they are using in their town halls. They know they don’t have a plan to replace the PPACA, but it doesn’t keep them from lying and claiming that they have one.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:29:51pm

re: #373 Interesting Times

Interesting take:

People ask if I have hope. Hope’s not a feeling I relate to. But I value pragmatism and compassion and it’s overflowing in the US right now.

Army axiom: “Hope is not a course of action.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:31:37pm

re: #374 majii

“I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again.”

Come on now HW, we both know where they got the idea that the coal mining jobs would return if Trump were elected president—-out of the lying mouths of Trump and GOP politicians. Neither Mitch O’Connell nor Rand Paul or any other GOP pol from KY is concerned about bringing coal mining jobs back to the state. They’ve known the truth all along and made a conscious decision long ago to lie to everyone in the state and in the nation. They’re doing the same thing about their non-existent bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. They all have a common set of talking points they are using in their town halls. They know they don’t have a plan to replace the PPACA, but it doesn’t keep them from lying and claiming that they have one.

Pretty much the same folks who believe coal mining jobs are coming back also believe we shouldn’t regulate fracking.

Funny about that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:33:19pm

re: #374 majii

“I just don’t know where they got the idea he would be able to open the mines up again.”

Come on now HW, we both know where they got the idea that the coal mining jobs would return if Trump were elected president—-out of the lying mouths of Trump and GOP politicians. Neither Mitch O’Connell nor Rand Paul or any other GOP pol from KY is concerned about bringing coal mining jobs back to the state. They’ve known the truth all along and made a conscious decision long ago to lie to everyone in the state and in the nation. They’re doing the same thing about their non-existent bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. They all have a common set of talking points they are using in their town halls. They know they don’t have a plan to replace the PPACA, but it doesn’t keep them from lying and claiming that they have one.

yep, you’re right.

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Cheechako  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:37:11pm

Up here in SE Alaska, both hard metal, underground mines have been hiring over the last several months. The mines produce zinc, silver, and quite a bit of gold. Both are in remote locations so the companies have “man camps” for their employees. Yah, I know man camp is sexist but that’s a hold-over from earlier times. Both mines employ many females. Starting pay for a novice miner runs about $60K/year. Experienced miners with time in can earn $100K+/yr. It takes that kind of money to have an average life style in SE Alaska.

So, mining jobs are available if you want to relocate. I doubt that Kentucky coal miner with the family could ever afford to move here even if he wanted to.

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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:37:23pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

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In the Pennsylvania coal region where the anthracite was mined, you can see the layout of parts of small towns right around the breaker towers. Small cottages in rows. Most of the breakers are gone. Most of the older houses are fading. Lots of culm burners along I-81 and around that area. That is a culm mountain from mining days outside Shamokin Pa. Pull out and see the size of it? That’s AFTER about 20 years of carrying it away to be burned. You can see culm hills outside just about every town.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:39:08pm

Former DOJ guy.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:39:47pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

.Ummm, maybe you shouldn’t have taken the red pill.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:40:09pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Sorry to do the no-true Irishman too. It’s just having Hannity, O’Reilly, Pence, Flynn, Bannon, (man I could go on!) is bad enough but hey we also got my Nana, Biden, Kaine, Casey, and others.

The Kennedys!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:40:30pm

re: #381 Bubblehead II

Always take both.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:41:45pm

re: #379 nines09

In the Pennsylvania coal region where the anthracite was mined, you can see the layout of parts of small towns right around the breaker towers. Small cottages in rows. Most of the breakers are gone. Most of the older houses are fading. Lots of culm burners along I-81 and around that area. That is a culm mountain from mining days outside Shamokin Pa. Pull out and see the size of it? That’s AFTER about 20 years of carrying it away to be burned. You can see culm hills outside just about every town.

You know speaking of coal, it’s interesting, I was told tha the Irish/Welsh predominately went to where anthracite was mined but Eastern Europeans like my mom’s grandpas went to where I think Bituminous was. What’s truly is a funny coincidence is my Dad had some family in Johnstown, Pa too but they were gone long before the first of my mom’s family arrived in the US. Honestly, there was a time when coal mining was needed but it’s not anymore.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:41:47pm

re: #373 Interesting Times

Interesting take:

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This is a tweet with an embedded video. I only see the video in preview.

Tweet text is:
Sarah Kendzior, an expert in authoritarianism dragging the living hell out of irresponsible journalists.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:42:16pm

re: #382 Patricia Kayden

The Kennedys!

Of course.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:42:16pm

re: #378 Cheechako

Not bad. I worked in an underground hard rock mine in Colo. until the metals downturn in the ’80s. I still say it was one of the best jobs I ever had. I loved every bit of it.

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mmmirele  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:42:57pm

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:43:05pm

re: #284 calochortus

True, but where was a 20 year old in W VA going to hear about the dangers of traffic Trump?
A lack of sophistication is not necessarily a sign that someone is evil.

Turn on a television. Read a magazine or a newspaper. Go to the library where they might have an internet connection.

How is it that these people managed to hear all about how Trump was going to do all the things they wanted, but nothing else about him in a year or more?

The Berniacs went on and on about how Hillary only won primaries in southern states because the voters here were “low-information” voters who didn’t have access to information. I thought that was bullshit as well.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:43:30pm

re: #380 Charles Johnson

Former DOJ guy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:43:59pm

re: #389 BeachDem

Turn on a television. Read a magazine or a newspaper. Go to the library where they might have an internet connection.

How is it that these people managed to hear all about how Trump was going to do all the things they wanted, but nothing else about him in a year or more?

The Berniacs went on and on about how Hillary only won primaries in southern states because the voters here were “low-information” voters who didn’t have access to information. I thought that was bullshit as well.

And now you know why I feel like I’ve been pulling teeth when talking about red state voters.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:44:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:45:13pm

re: #392 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:46:36pm

re: #393 Charles Johnson

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Seriously, it’s like they think Chicago is the only place where violence happens. And like they give two shits about the people of Chicago. And as LH has pointed out, Chicago’s not exactly far from lax gun Indiana. That’s my biggest problem with just going states rights on guns. Our states aren’t vaccums.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:47:14pm

re: #378 Cheechako

Up here in SE Alaska, both hard metal, underground mines have been hiring over the last several months. The mines produce zinc, silver, and quite a bit of gold. Both are in remote locations so the companies have “man camps” for their employees. Yah, I know man camp is sexist but that’s a hold-over from earlier times. Both mines employ many females. Starting pay for a novice miner runs about $60K/year. Experienced miners with time in can earn $100K+/yr. It takes that kind of money to have an average life style in SE Alaska.

So, mining jobs are available if you want to relocate. I doubt that Kentucky coal miner with the family could ever afford to move here even if he wanted to.

But you get to be a star on A&E !!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:49:05pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Seriously, it’s like they think Chicago is the only place where violence happens. And like they give two shits about the people of Chicago. And as LH has pointed out, Chicago’s not exactly far from lax gun Indiana. That’s my biggest problem with just going states rights on guns. Our states aren’t vaccums.

It’s a poorly-kept secret that Chicago buys everything illegal in Indiana. From harmless things like fireworks to dangerous things like guns and meth - everybody knows where it comes from, but nobody talks about it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:50:16pm

re: #397 thedopefishlives

It’s a poorly-kept secret that Chicago buys everything illegal in Indiana. From harmless things like fireworks to dangerous things like guns and meth - everybody knows where it comes from, but nobody talks about it.

Doesn’t surprise me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:50:25pm
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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:50:37pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Seriously, it’s like they think Chicago is the only place where violence happens. And like they give two shits about the people of Chicago. And as LH has pointed out, Chicago’s not exactly far from lax gun Indiana. That’s my biggest problem with just going states rights on guns. Our states aren’t vaccums.

Not only is there inflow of guns from Indiana (hiya Mike P, we know what you did as gov), but on a per capita basis, there are quite a few cities/communities with higher crime rates or higher murder rates or both.

All of this is accessible from the FBI crime stats. But because Chicago is Obama’s home town, Trump keeps fixating on Chicago crime.

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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:51:08pm

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Strip mining is mostly western Pa. The “hard” coal was NE PA and where I posted.List of Patches. You cannot go far in the woods between Scranton and Sunbury Pa and not stumble on an old mine, culm or a “pirate” dig.

Brocton Pa Tuscarora coal mine. Everywhere you see gray and black is culm and coal.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:51:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:51:34pm

re: #400 lawhawk

Not only is there inflow of guns from Indiana (hiya Mike P, we know what you did as gov), but on a per capita basis, there are quite a few cities/communities with higher crime rates or higher murder rates or both.

All of this is accessible from the FBI crime stats. But because Chicago is Obama’s home town, Trump keeps fixating on Chicago crime.

That’s the only reason why they hit on Chicago. If Obama were from LA or NY, they’d hit on it.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:51:50pm

re: #400 lawhawk

Hell’s bells, let’s just look at Chicago’s neighbor to the east: Gary, IN. As in, “former murder capital of the world,” Gary. But we can’t talk about Gary, because white Republican Jesus.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:51:52pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

The coal mines aren’t there anymore, it’s all mountaintop removal now that needs a fraction of the workers, and those workers are demolition and heavy equipment and truck drivers.

The market isn’t there anymore.

And I don’t know how Hillary could have communicated it any better than she did: those old jobs are gone, they aren’t coming back, so here’s my plan for new job training for jobs that are better paying and safer.

And it’s the same as the sad tales about the factory towns and lost industries.

Nineteen fucking eight four, folks.

Bruce Springsteen - My Hometown

Nineteen fucking eighty two.

Billy Joel - Allentown

I hate to be so harsh, but JFC, it’s been more than 30 years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:52:30pm

re: #401 nines09

Strip mining is mostly western Pa. The “hard” coal was NE PA and where I posted.List of Patches. You cannot go far in the woods between Scranton and Sunbury Pa and not stumble on an old mine, culm or a “pirate” dig.

Brocton Pa Tuscarora coal mine. Everywhere you see gray and black is culm and coal.

Gotcha, thanks. I think the Molly Maguires had their origins in the Scranton area but I’m not sure. I can’t imagine working in the mines.

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Cheechako  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:52:39pm

re: #396 Decatur Deb

But you get to be a star on A&E !!

Nobody up here gives a shit about those “reality” shows. It seems that more than half the reality show stars are busted for breaking the Game & Fish laws or falsely filing for the PFD fund. Bunch’a crooks and lairs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:53:35pm

re: #405 BeachDem

And it’s the same as the sad tales about the factory towns and lost industries.

Nineteen fucking eight four, folks.

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I hate to be so harsh, but JFC, it’s been more than 30 years.

Exactly, these towns were declining long before Bill and Hillary Clinton became POTUS and FLOTUS. Blaming the Clintons for it as Trump did was a bunch of dishonest bullshit.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:55:02pm

Bill Shatner usually just tweets about TV shows and Hollywood stuff, but now he’s getting involved in an immigration case.

The kid in question is here for medical treatment, but ICE is trying to ship him home because reasons.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:55:29pm

And let me say another thing, I just don’t see these people as helpless to move to change their lot necessarily either. Immigrants with much less than they had have moved. African-Americans during the Great Migration did the same. I think many of these people really hoped that the sitaution would change in their towns and it sucks for them that it didn’t but what happened was NOT Obama nor the Democratic Party’s fault.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:56:19pm

re: #409 wheat-dogg

Bill Shatner usually just tweets about TV shows and Hollywood stuff, but now he’s getting involved in an immigration case.

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The kid in question is here for medical treatment, but ICE is trying to ship him home because reasons.

Good man Shat!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:56:42pm

re: #409 wheat-dogg

Mrs. Fish was heartbroken enough when one of my liberal Christian friends linked an article that indicated President Trumperdinck’s gang of thugs had rounded up and arrested at least 700 immigrants already. This would be devastating.

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:57:09pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

We don’t have time for psychotherapy for every asshole who couldn’t see this coming. Spend our time on the young, on the apathetic, and on lazy Dems.

I’m behind the thread, but we should spend a lot of our time on those who tried to vote, and whose votes were suppressed. (And kicking James Comey down the stairs.)

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Bubblehead II  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:57:45pm

re: #383 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Always take both.

Think that could be lethal

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:57:52pm

re: #160 b_sharp

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:58:03pm

re: #239 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

My fear—not quite a suspicion yet—is that Sessions and pals decided they weren’t going to give up such an efficient source of felony drug convictions.

Along with kickbacks from private prisons.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 6:59:11pm

re: #414 Bubblehead II

Think that could be lethal

xkcd.com

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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:00:32pm

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Gotcha, thanks. I think the Molly Maguires had their origins in the Scranton area but I’m not sure. I can’t imagine working in the mines.

In and around there. Centralia played a large part. that’s the town with the underground fire.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:02:15pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

And now you know why I feel like I’ve been pulling teeth when talking about red state voters.

It grinds your gears and makes my teeth hurt—funny how all these people have no access to any information other than exactly what they want to hear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:02:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:02:50pm

re: #418 nines09

In and around there. Centralia played a large part. that’s the town with the underground fire.

Thanks, I find labor history fascinating. My dad’s father was an arbitrator. Dad says he probably knew people like the Reuther brothers of UAW fame.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:04:34pm

re: #419 BeachDem

It grinds your gears and makes my teeth hurt—funny how all these people have no access to any information other than exactly what they want to hear.

Ha! I mean yeah. I am sorry. I just don’t see these people as hopeless. I know I have better internet access and TV channels than someone in the rural US but it’s not as if they are completely devoid of information that would contradict their biases. I don’t think they’re all bigots but I do think a lot of them aer ignorant out of choice and not by mere circumstance.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:04:49pm

re: #416 retired cynic

Along with kickbacks from private prisons.

Save this for your “Holy Shit” file.

Modern-Day Debtors’ Prisons: Megan’s Story

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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:05:08pm

re: #412 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish was heartbroken enough when one of my liberal Christian friends linked an article that indicated President Trumperdinck’s gang of thugs had rounded up and arrested at least 700 immigrants already. This would be devastating.

It’s “law & order” taken to the extreme, applying laws in a draconian fashion to appear “tough” to appeal to his knuckle-dragging fascist supporters. Worse is the lack of any due process or appeals process.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:06:03pm

I did talk to my Dad. Since i’ve adopted immigration as my pet cause and my brother has the environment and its effect on people. Dad’s said he wants to do something about helping prisoners rehabilitate. He’s already done some of that already.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:06:49pm

re: #424 wheat-dogg

It’s “law & order” taken to the extreme, applying laws in a draconian fashion to appear “tough” to appeal to his knuckle-dragging fascist supporters. Worse is the lack of any due process or appeals process.

There is so much pointless cruelty in this administration. I know that’s redundant sounding.

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:08:25pm

re: #413 retired cynic

I’m behind the thread, but we should spend a lot of our time on those who tried to vote, and whose votes were suppressed. (And kicking James Comey down the stairs.)

A fucking men.

(Sorry—I’m in a mood tonight!)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:08:34pm

I say we try to claim the bleeding ehart liberal as a badge of honor. When I hear bleeding heart, I think yeah that’s me, that means I’m thinking about someone otehr than myself.

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nines09  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:08:44pm

re: #421 HappyWarrior

One more. they filmed the molly MaGuires in a small village outside Hazleton Pa back I think in 1969. I was there once years ago, it’s still there and is a time capsule. I think the story was electric was buried, no street lights, and to be period correct and it stayed that way. people were living there when i went through. Don’t know about today. Eckley Miners Village

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:08:55pm

re: #428 HappyWarrior

I say we try to claim the bleeding ehart liberal as a badge of honor. When I hear bleeding heart, I think yeah that’s me, that means I’m thinking about someone otehr than myself.

Too fucking right!

[Raises whiskey glass.]

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:09:36pm

re: #429 nines09

One more. they filmed the molly MaGuires in a small village outside Hazleton Pa back I think in 1969. I was there once years ago, it’s still there and is a time capsule. I think the story was electric was buried, no street lights, and to be period correct and it stayed that way. people were living there when i went through. Don’t know about today. Eckley Miners Village

Interesting, thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:10:22pm

re: #430 thedopefishlives

Too fucking right!

[Raises whiskey glass.]

WE really need to come up with some clever come back to bleeding heart liberal or social justice warrior.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:11:10pm

re: #432 HappyWarrior

WE really need to come up with some clever come back to bleeding heart liberal or social justice warrior.

How about “decent human being”?

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BeachDem  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:11:25pm

re: #428 HappyWarrior

I say we try to claim the bleeding ehart liberal as a badge of honor. When I hear bleeding heart, I think yeah that’s me, that means I’m thinking about someone otehr than myself.

What’s funny is that I’ve always thought of it as an honorable status.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:13:53pm

re: #434 BeachDem

What’s funny is that I’ve always thought of it as an honorable status.

Yeah I’ve never seen being a bleeding heart as a bad thing. Same thing with SJW or “community activist.” Never did get an answer on why those are so bad. Alas don’t think I ever will.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:16:00pm

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve never seen being a bleeding heart as a bad thing. Same thing with SJW or “community activist.” Never did get an answer on why those are so bad. Alas don’t think I ever will.

Truth be told - and I’m speaking from personal experience here - the negative connotations to these terms come from the fact that it makes some people uncomfortably aware of just how much they are selfish assholes. Rather than do some introspection and self-improvement, however, they take the coward’s way out and denigrate those who have.

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unproven innocence  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:18:34pm

re: #378 Cheechako

Up here in SE Alaska, both hard metal, underground mines have been hiring over the last several months. The mines produce zinc, silver, and quite a bit of gold. Both are in remote locations so the companies have “man camps” for their employees. Yah, I know man camp is sexist but that’s a hold-over from earlier times. Both mines employ many females. Starting pay for a novice miner runs about $60K/year. Experienced miners with time in can earn $100K+/yr. It takes that kind of money to have an average life style in SE Alaska.

So, mining jobs are available if you want to relocate. I doubt that Kentucky coal miner with the family could ever afford to move here even if he wanted to.

Wherever zinc and silver deposits are to be found, whether mined or not, lead (Pb) is also usually present in unhealthy concentrations.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2017 • 7:19:15pm

re: #436 thedopefishlives

Truth be told - and I’m speaking from personal experience here - the negative connotations to these terms come from the fact that it makes some people uncomfortably aware of just how much they are selfish assholes. Rather than do some introspection and self-improvement, however, they take the coward’s way out and denigrate those who have.

Yes, I think that was the case here.

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2017 • 10:42:53pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to make light of things, but coal mining didn’t take much more skill than a willingness to go underground.

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