A Moving New Song and Video From Becca Stevens: “Queen Mab”

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“Queen Mab” is the first single from Becca Stevens’ new record, “Regina”. Pre-order for “Regina” is available now and will be available worldwide on March 24th.

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This video paints a portrait of a boy’s life with his father, while shedding light on the dark reality that he faces as an albino in Tanzania. Besides being rejected, ostracized, and persecuted due to superstitious beliefs, albinos in many areas of Africa live in fear of being hunted and killed, their body parts sold for medicinal use in witchcraft. This nightmare is a closely guarded reality that continues to threaten the lives of albinos in Tanzania and other areas of Sub-Saharan Africa. Authorities insist that this problem no longer exists, but the locals tell a very different story. There are still large numbers of albino children in hiding, and many compounds in Tanzania for albino children that as of recently are no longer allowed to be visited.

Proceeds from “Queen Mab” will be donated to organizations providing protection, healthcare, and educational services for albino children around the world.

“Queen Mab” Video Credits:

Directed by Damian Weilers
Filmed in Tanzania
Assisted by Rory Chadwick-Ronnie
Edited by Ben Harrex at Final Cut UK
Assistant Editor Mike Radforth
Grading by Joseph Bicknell at Cheat
Executive Producer: Randi Norman

“Queen Mab” Lyrics:

(words by William Shakespeare 1564 –1616
from Romeo & Juliet, music by Becca Stevens)

The cover of the wings of grasshoppers,
The traces of the smallest spider’s web,
The collars of the moonshine’s watery beams, ooh…

O, then, I see Queen Mab hath been with you.
She is the fairies’ midwife, and she comes
In shape no bigger than an agate-stone
On the fore-finger of an alderman,
Drawn with a team of little atomies
Athwart men’s noses as they lie asleep;
Her wagon-spokes made of long spinners’ legs,
The cover of the wings of grasshoppers,
The traces of the smallest spider’s web,
The collars of the moonshine’s watery beams,
Her whip of a cricket’s bone, the lash of film,
Her wagoner a small grey-coated gnat,
Not so big as a round little worm
Prick’d from the lazy finger of a maid;
Her chariot is an empty hazel-nut
Made by the joiner squirrel or old grub,
Time out o’ mind the fairies’ coach-makers.
And in this state she gallops night by night
Through lovers’ brains, and then they dream of love;
Over courtiers’ knees, that dream on court’sies straight,
Over lawyers’ fingers, who straight dream on fees,
Over ladies’ lips, who straight on kisses dream,
Which oft the angry Mab with blisters plagues,
Because their breaths with sweetmeats tainted are.


“Queen Mab” Song Credits:

For W.S.
Words by William Shakespeare (1564-1616) from Romeo and Juliet,
Music by Becca Stevens
Produced by Troy Miller
Additional production by Becca Stevens & Ted Tuthill
Engineered by Ted Tuthill
Edited by Troy Miller, Ted Tuthill, & Becca Stevens
Recorded at Figure 8 Recording & Atlantic Sound Studios
String arrangement by Nathan Schram & Becca Stevens
Becca Stevens - Lead & Background Vocals, Electric Guitars, Charango
Jo Lawry - Background Vocals
Jordan Perlson - Drums/Percussion
Chris Tordini - Electric Bass
Liam Robinson - Roland Gaia, Wurlitzer, Prophet 600
Nathan Schram - Viola
Hamilton Berry - Cello

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461 comments

1
Charles Johnson  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:02:56pm
2
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:06:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:07:18pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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I’m shocked that Fox would do this. Shocked. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:08:58pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I’m shocked that Fox would do this. Shocked. //

Well, first you start with your conclusion, then you shop around for people who will say you’re right, and you don’t look closely at their credentials.

What’s the worst that could happen?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:09:31pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, first you start with your conclusion, then you shop around for people who will say you’re right, and you don’t look closely at their credentials.

What’s the worst that could happen?

You get a guy who looks like a real like Swedish Chef but with a criminal conviction?

6
Nyet  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:10:57pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Meatballhead.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:13:21pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

You get a guy who looks like a real like Swedish Chef but with a criminal conviction?

Ja, sure!

8
Kragar  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:16:12pm

When you’ve lost Issa…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:16:43pm

Alright night.

10
Interesting Times  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:18:40pm

Gee, no wonder his approval ratings amongst Republicans remain stratospheric -_-

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retired cynic  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:18:46pm

re: #8 Kragar

When you’ve lost Issa…

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That last election must have shaken him.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:20:06pm

re: #11 retired cynic

That last election must have shaken him.

And he knows that what he’s seeing now is an even bigger wave.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:20:08pm

re: #11 retired cynic

That last election must have shaken him.

And the Resistance is on his ass.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:21:28pm

re: #10 Interesting Times

Gee, no wonder his approval ratings amongst Republicans remain stratospheric -_-

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The major newspapers seem to be going with the white-on-black look a lot more lately. For when the message isn’t black enough…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:24:22pm

re: #11 retired cynic

That last election must have shaken him.

It was absolutely astounding to hear Issa’s reactions on both ACA and the Trump ties to Putin. Let’s see if the Republicans follow through on this.

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retired cynic  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:25:16pm

re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter

It was absolutely astounding to hear Issa’s reactions on both ACA and the Trump ties to Putin. Let’s see if the Republicans follow through on this.

Let’s hope they are hearing the hooves gaining on them from the rear.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:28:07pm

re: #8 Kragar

When you’ve lost Issa…

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This strikes me as an appropriate response. From the comments:

This car thief con is only saying that because he knows damn well Sessions isn’t going to recuse himself. .he already said so. These lyin sacsofshit make me wanna puke.

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BigPapa  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:28:08pm

Another Fake Expert: Sebastian Gorka

REVEALED: Top Trump aide Gorka worked with anti-Semitic and racist groups in Hungary

This was painful but I listened to most of it. Gorka is a hack who doesn’t understand his role now that he’s a government employee.

EXCLUSIVE: LISTEN TO CONTROVERSIAL WHITE HOUSE TERRORISM ADVISER SEBASTIAN GORKA’S ANGRY CALL TO A CRITIC

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:32:23pm

re: #16 retired cynic

Let’s hope they are hearing the hooves gaining on them from the rear.

Let’s hope the election of the new DNC chairman doesn’t cause further disarray in the party and instead brings the Democrats together.

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BigPapa  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:33:25pm
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Belafon  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:44:07pm

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s hope the election of the new DNC chairman doesn’t cause further disarray in the party and instead brings the Democrats together.

I saw on dk where Greenwald asked “why did Obama pick Perez?” And too many people were like “yeah, there must be a conspiracy.”

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Amory Blaine  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:45:42pm

This little guy should be delivered tomorrow. Need a mascot for these crazy times. :D

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Ubiq  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:52:52pm

re: #8 Kragar

When you’ve lost Issa…

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The Maher clip was pretty eye-opening. Seriously I spent all week loathing Maher, but he coaxed that out of Issa masterfully.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:53:02pm

re: #20 BigPapa

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Moebym  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:57:16pm

re: #21 Belafon

Daily Kos…the last time I visited was shortly after Election Day. I simply can’t stomach that place.

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 9:59:13pm

cloudbleedcheck.com

The above Website crawls through domains to see if one was compromised by the Cloudflare coding bug.

Little Green Footballs is safe (thanks, Mr. Johnson). So is Daily Kos. Too bad about all the conservative sites like Twitchy that aren’t; waiting for “It’s a liberal plot” in 4 … 3 … 2 …

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:03:44pm
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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:05:58pm

re: #24 I cannot.

I have no college experience, I don’t think I’ve read anyone’s doctoral dissertation before…let’s see what’s in there.

Footnote 9: “Brian Jenkins the leading terrorism expert” According to whom? And there’s only one leading terrorism expert? (this is only page 11…the preceding 10 have been similarly irritating, there’s like 229 left, this feels like it should be the 50 Shades of Gray of doctoral dissertations)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:12:17pm

re: #28 I cannot.

I have no college experience, I don’t think I’ve read anyone’s doctoral dissertation before…let’s see what’s in there.

Footnote 9: “Brian Jenkins the leading terrorism expert” According to whom? And there’s only one leading terrorism expert? (this is only page 11…the preceding 10 have been similarly irritating, there’s like 229 left, this feels like it should be the 50 Shades of Gray of doctoral dissertations)

I like the part where he claims Putin is “seemingly one of the closest allies” of the US.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:13:30pm

Looks like there may be more to the Michael Cohen story about his ethanol business in the Ukraine than meets the eye, according to Josh Marshall at TPM….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:16:02pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like the part where he claims Putin is “seemingly one of the closest allies” of the US.

That’s also where I’m stopping, because I still have two chapters to read of my sister’s thesis this weekend and there is a limit to how much academic writing I am willing to tolerate in one go.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:16:44pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like the part where he claims Putin is “seemingly one of the closest allies” of the US.

This is 50 Shades of Plan 9, and someone gave him a PhD?!

Aren’t you supposed to…like…be able to defend your dissertation? I wouldn’t be able to defend this against a high-school debate team!

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Moebym  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:18:19pm

re: #32 I cannot.

He received his Ph.D.* from Trump U.

*Permanent Head Damage, as my dad likes to put it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:19:09pm

re: #32 I cannot.

This is 50 Shades of Plan 9, and someone gave him a PhD?!

Aren’t you supposed to…like…be able to defend your dissertation? I wouldn’t be able to defend this against a high-school debate team!

My experience is in the sciences, not the humanities, so I can’t speak directly to it, but my observations:

a) Academic writing is its own special beast. I can do it. I’m not necessarily proud of that fact.
b) Getting to the defense stage and failing is pretty rare, at least in my exposure. (Again, sciences weighted.) By that point, they’ve paid for x years of your schooling and labor. You represent an investment. Might be very different for the humanities, where you pay them.

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William Lewis  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:21:00pm

re: #32 I cannot.

This is 50 Shades of Plan 9, and someone gave him a PhD?!

Aren’t you supposed to…like…be able to defend your dissertation? I wouldn’t be able to defend this against a high-school debate team!

I glanced at the alleged paper. My 15 year old, after missing years of school due to his mental health issues and never learning how to write an academic paper, could write a better one than that printed excrement. I can only presume that he had something felonious against the department chair who approved it.

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:22:07pm

Kitchen:

Crash! Bang! (items fall to deck)

Cat devours a mouse on the countertop. (ewww)

Question for vet: Are mice on a diabetic cat’s diet?

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:23:19pm

re: #33 Moebym

He received his Ph.D.* from Trump U.

*Permanent Head Damage, as my dad likes to put it.

My mother puts it as “piled higher and deeper”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:24:11pm

re: #37 Anymouse

My mother puts it as “piled higher and deeper”

Only really works in conjunction with a BS and MS.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:25:17pm

re: #36 Anymouse

They’re low carb, high protein…umm, probably?

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teleskiguy  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:26:59pm
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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:29:39pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Only really works in conjunction with a BS and MS.

I’ll take her word for it, she’s the psychologist.

Wow, just plugging names into that search engine of compromised Websites - it would seem most of the conservative sites in the USA are compromised.

Gateway Pundit is safe, though, as is Alex Jones’s circle of derp.

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prairiefire  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:34:17pm

re: #36 Anymouse

So, it would be a lot of protein? Protein and iron (blood).

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:39:18pm

re: #39 I cannot.

They’re low carb, high protein…umm, probably?

As long as it’s not mouse a la mode I think Felix Randomkitty will be just fine.

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William Lewis  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:39:49pm

re: #36 Anymouse

Kitchen:

Crash! Bang! (items fall to deck)

Cat devours a mouse on the countertop. (ewww)

Question for vet: Are mice on a diabetic cat’s diet?

Being obligate predators and that being the kind of prey they’re evolved to hunt, I would expect that is the best possible munchies for your feline.

Aside: Deck? Ah, you can stick a sailor in the middle of the continent and he’ll still be a sailor ;) I’ll keep my boots on the ground instead!

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:40:05pm

re: #42 prairiefire

So, it would be a lot of protein? Protein and iron (blood).

And calcium.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:42:51pm

Talking about coverage by Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera specifically and other non-Western media, said they were “media outlets that challenge the ‘white man’s’ news monopoly”

To support his assertion that Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera’s coverage were/are biased against us and for “Them”, in comparison to western media.

Footnote 15, page 19:”One group focused on the toppling of Hussein’s statues and the rejoicing of average Iraquis, whilst the other preferred to emphasize the looting and ensuing chaos that liberation brought”

CITATION OF YOUR CITATION NEEDED!

JFC. I take that back, 50 Shades of Plan 9 would be awesome!

This is depressing, annoying, and infuriating.

ETA: Much of what I’m putting in here is partial quotes, as the document is at least pseudo-academic, and thus very wordy. Also, the document does not like copying.

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:43:48pm

Three Massachusetts women have brought a case before the Supreme Court, which will weigh whether it will hear arguments in conference March 17.

occupydemocrats.com

The case involves the Guarantee Clause of the US Constitution (the clause that the Federal Government is obligated by the Constitution to guarantee the several states against invasion by a foreign power). The claim is a foreign power invaded our electoral system in the states, thus the Federal government failed in its obligation and the election should be nullified.

The Guarantee Clause has never been heard before the Supreme Court before.

It would seem unlikely that the Supreme Court would rule in favour of the women even if they agree to hear the case.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:44:02pm

This is fun!

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prairiefire  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:45:56pm

re: #48 Dave In Austin

At first I thought that was a lot of bongs to have around a kid. They sound good.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:47:05pm

re: #50 prairiefire

At first I thought that was a lot of bongs to have around a kid. They sound good.

I did, too. And, yes, they sound great.

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:47:45pm

re: #49 MsJ

What is this “Democrat Party” of which he speaks? /s

His tweet looks like projection: It wasn’t Netroots Nation that extended an invitation to someone like Milo Yiannopolis.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:49:23pm

re: #50 prairiefire

At first I thought that was a lot of bongs to have around a kid. They sound good.

The family always functions best when dad’s stoned…

PRESIDENT ROOTS - Dad’s Stoned

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prairiefire  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:49:53pm

re: #49 MsJ

Peas take your peas and carrots somewhere else, Chuckie

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prairiefire  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:50:22pm

re: #53 Single-handed sailor

Always true in our house.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:52:10pm

re: #52 Anymouse

What is this “Democrat Party” of which he speaks? /s

His tweet looks like projection: It wasn’t Netroots Nation that extended an invitation to someone like Milo Yiannopolis.

Wollery is a wingnut extraordinaire. He can’t spell, is dumb ass a freaking stone and can’t make a coherent statement . Typical wingnut.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:53:03pm

I don’t watch “The Voice” but this is not a bad ensemble…..

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prairiefire  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:53:44pm

re: #53 Single-handed sailor

“Rooting around in the cupboard for a chocolate biscuit”, yep, lol

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:54:49pm

re: #58 prairiefire

“Rooting around in the cupboard for a chocolate biscuit”, yep, lol

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 10:57:52pm

Odd that Gorka’s definition of “Political Violence” committed by an “Irrational Actor” requires it to be committed by someone (or group) that the government is either unwilling, or incapable of negotiating with (he repeatedly mentions Aum Shinrikyo, Al-Qaeda).

I’ll note that Aum caused far less damage and death than McVeigh and Nichols, and so far, I haven’t seen them mentioned at all…I wonder why?

ETA: A bit of shade toward “fashionable conservative analyst Robert Kagan”, without actually disagreeing with Kagan (because Kagan is actually right in that case)

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Anymouse  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:04:32pm

Well, I’m going to hit the rack. Catch y’all later.

G’night everyone, thanks for the interesting and educational conversation.

I learn new things every time I come here. The money I tossed at Mr. Johnson was well-spent on expanding my political education.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:14:55pm

Now we’re at the LOTS of filler part of the dissertation, in case you’re just catching up, I’m skimming through Sebastian Gorka’s doctoral dissertation and commenting on various little bits catch my eye and so far…

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Nyet  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:27:09pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s also where I’m stopping, because I still have two chapters to read of my sister’s thesis this weekend and there is a limit to how much academic writing I am willing to tolerate in one go.

There’s no problem then since nothing you’ve read in Gorka’s thesis was academic. ///

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:36:25pm

re: #63 Nyet

You’re not kidding, this is bad, I mean, this is so bad his whole school should change its name, move out of town and enter the Witless Protection Program.

Page 47: You said a “Venn-like Diagram”, Sebby. That’s not a Venn-like diagram.

That’s a flow-chart with three circles and two arrows, showing no overlap.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:39:18pm

re: #63 Nyet

There’s no problem then since nothing you’ve read in Gorka’s thesis was academic. ///

I tweeted yesterday that anyone who puts his academic letters in his handle is probably compensating for something. Gorka has a history of padding his résumé.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2017 • 11:56:41pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg

Trump wants to stick it to Manhattan’s old-money and show that a jumped up landlord from Queens is bigger than them.

Gorka is the same guy from political sciences.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:00:09am

re: #66 I cannot.

Trump wants to stick it to Manhattan’s old-money and show that a jumped up landlord from Queens is bigger than them.

Gorka is the same guy from political sciences.

No one is being fooled in either case, except the Trump-bots.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:03:35am

re: #67 wheat-dogg

No one is being fooled in either case, except the Trump-bots.

The Trump-bots think that Der Trumpenfuhrer and his spawn are awesome because they act every bit as boorish and entitled as their supporters do, but have the money to back it up.

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ericblair  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:21:52am

re: #8 Kragar

When you’ve lost Issa…

We might be seeing a split in the GOP between the experienced criminals who can calculate when the jig is up and it’s every man for himself, and the ideological nitwits who figure they can just bullshit their way through this.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:32:22am
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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:44:01am

re: #69 ericblair

We might be seeing a split in the GOP between the experienced criminals who can calculate when the jig is up and it’s every man for himself, and the ideological nitwits who figure they can just bullshit their way through this.

What we’re seeing is much like what happened after the Saturday Night Massacre, when the polls for the first time began showing a majority of Americans supported impeachment. It’s dawning on them that this is an administration living on borrowed time, that it’s one major explosive story away from torches and pitchforks.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:52:32am

OK, among the high-level academia here, who would accept Wikipedia as an acceptable citation? I know that even here Wikipedia can get the side-eye occasionally…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:56:03am

re: #69 ericblair

re: #71 Targetpractice

Also keep in mind that Issa barely won re-election last November and his district voted for Hillary overall. He’s been in this game for quite sometime and seems to have enough political survival instinct that he can foresee what’s coming down the road, and there’s a good chance that what’s coming might just bounce his car-thieving ass right out of a job come the mid-terms next year. He’s getting ahead of the curve.

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Lupin  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:57:30am

The US is f*cked. There are too many of “them” to change course. We can impede, to some extent, but we can’t change course.

In order to come out of this, people will have to die. Many people. Starve. Be locked up. Beaten. Killed. We’re talking Herbert Hoover-Great depression-type of suffering, the kind that finally brought masses to FDR’s side.

Our people need to re-learn this lesson again; all the tea party and working class and all those chickens who voted for Colonel Sanders because of blackity-black or booga-wooga have to be cut up and fried first, before they wise up.

If you live on the chicken farm and didn’t vote for the Colonel, my prayers are with you, but the pain is coming. It is the only way.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:09:48am

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Also keep in mind that Issa barely won re-election last November and his district voted for Hillary overall. He’s been in this game for quite sometime and seems to have enough political survival instinct that he can foresee what’s coming down the road, and there’s a good chance that what’s coming might just bounce his car-thieving ass right out of a job come the mid-terms next year. He’s getting ahead of the curve.

Not to mention that there’s a lot of very bad shit for the GOP coming down the pipe. They have a fight on the ACA to come, a Supreme Court justice to approve, budgetary fighting, and a whole lot of other noxious shit that’s on the plate before year’s end. Just wait for what happens when the current stock market bubble pops as Wall St. realizes the tax cuts and regulatory slashing aren’t coming overnight.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:11:39am

The clever Republicans can surely see Trump & Co circling the drain and don’t want to be dragged down too. The True Believers assume Trump is invincible.

Just like Boris in that 007 movie.

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harlequinade  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:28:45am

re: #72 I cannot.

My university doesn’t. We tell students to follow the citations and find the paper, or look on Google scholar for papers.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:34:49am

re: #76 wheat-dogg

The clever Republicans can surely see Trump & Co circling the drain and don’t want to be dragged down too. The True Believers assume Trump is invincible.

Just like Boris in that 007 movie.

Yep, the professional pols with foresight vs. the Trump cultists and their 55-gallon drum full of Flavor-Aid, cups in their hands.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:36:45am

re: #77 harlequinade

It’s not a citation of a paper, it was a citation for the definition of “doctrine”, saying that that Sec. Baker and President Bush’s policy didn’t meet Wikipedia’s definition of a foreign policy doctrine.

o_O?!

Ah, Gorka and rigorous academia…yeah, nah.

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harlequinade  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:45:38am

re: #79 I cannot.

If any of my undergrads used that phrase I’d politely, and scholarly, rip them a new one.

*Edited to hide the shame of misreading

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:50:08am

re: #80 harlequinade

I think I was using the wrong term, its a footnote in Sebastian Gorka’s paper using Wikipedia as a reference

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harlequinade  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:53:37am

re: #81 I cannot.

That’s still punishable by withering feedback.

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harlequinade  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:55:08am

re: #81 I cannot.

The reasoning being: “at this stage your research should be beyond the first result in a Google search.”

That’s just not putting in the work.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 1:59:00am

re: #83 harlequinade

What if its on the second page of results?

/// to infinity

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 2:19:10am

re: #84 I cannot.

Page 126 of Gorka’s paper blasts “intellectuals who were ceaseless in their criticism of those who saw communism for the vital existential threat it was”…and then updates Wingnut into the modern era with “Instead, the media, academia, and a vast portion of the policy community are more than prepared to openly undermine our side…”

And of course he gives shoutouts to Ronaldus Magnus and assorted other people for preventing the “annus mirabilis of 1989” from looking like 1984 and “a boot stamping on the human face forever”. Now he’s starting to let his freak flag fly.

I suspect the rest of this paper will become more insane from here.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 2:43:56am

Life is short and there is no way to do everything that needs to be done before we are gone.

So in regards to our society, the best I can do to actively change the course of our collective is to try and communicate to those who I think are on a very bad path, that they indeed are on a very bad path. If they take the rest of us down that path then of course we all suffer.

Trump has his marks. The ones on my Facebook wall all, to a person, seem to be struggling with modernity in one form or another. Most are wearing robes of religion but I think mostly that is to escape the pain of their feelings for the passing of their loved ones.

American society is full of people who want a dis-reality, a non-factual world, a non-data world. They want to escape.

Yet I am still struck that there is a great deal of kindness around; as so many, I have relied on the kindness of strangers.

We are by nature social creatures. The sociopaths really are the outcasts; that we have modern tools like the internet that allow some anti-social behavior is odd, in some ways, but the harm will eventually be self-limiting.

And we are seeing that with the ACA. While Obama was in office, the professional bigots could play on the underlying racism behind the name “Obamacare”, but now as it comes to repealing the ACA all of a sudden it becomes clear there are millions of people who have benefited in one way or another from a provision in the law. And now totally repealing it isn’t as easy as the political hacks pretended during campaigns.

There is an election in 2018. Campaigning for that election will start in earnest in a few months (yes, really, money raising will need to start this summer.) If someone wants to make a difference then now is the time to join whatever movement you want, or start one if needed, to band together enough voters to get candidates to listen to you.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 2:49:36am

Annoying when you can’t sleep in on the weekends because you’re so used to getting up early…

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2017 • 3:53:34am
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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 3:54:20am

OK, this could happen to anyone, but I’ve caught about one sentence that’s just wrong every 10-20 pages, like this “The key character was a middle-aged called Indonesia Mohammed Belfas…”, and shit like this drives me nuts.

He occasionally makes a good point…such as one that liberals made during the war, only to be called “Saddamites”, and then he appears to learn nothing, or worse, the wrong thing from that point. This is frustrating. Diving back in:

He’s saying that Muslims (apparently all 1.6 billion of them?), have a different concept of democracy than the West (where people gather and request a Sheikhs ruling, a Sheikh who is by acclaim accepted as an authority…OK, I guess?), I suppose this would come as a surprise to every Muslim in the West. He also talks about Islam believing “completely in the concept of predestination”…shouldn’t he have talked with someone that knows something about anything before writing this?

Gorka says we do not refer to the bible when practicing our form of democracy at home. While the entirety of Muslim democracy is centered around the Koran and can’t be separated from it. How many conservatives tell us their worldview is straight from God?

This is a bad dissertation, and he should feel as bad as I am for enduring this.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 3:56:25am

re: #88 Kragar

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He won’t be around for long. Don’s already pissed he had to fire his buddy Mike, now he’s got a new guy who won’t play ball? Nah, he’ll find a reason to shit-can him.

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Ming5000  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:09:42am

More feedback from my forced car ride with right wing, theocratic, racist, zenophobic, homophobic, immigrant (he came to US when about 20) colleague:
George Soros Non Government Organizations!
He started spewing forth about George Soros meddling in Eastern EU politics through the us of NGOs to push homosexual rights, among other liberal agendas. I immediately assumed he was talking conspiracy fantasy. I have heard too many SOROS! stories. Turns out, this is something George Soros actually does.

His Open Society Foundations (OSF) are active in 100 countries, and have supported civil groups in Eastern Europe and the Balkans since the mid-1980s.

In the 80’s these NGOs were embraced by opposition groups, now the NGOs are seen as an enemy to the established power.

There seems to have been a spike of news articles in January that must have been touted in the right wing press.

Good for George Soros.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:13:10am

re: #91 Ming5000

Yep, George Soros does some really useful and good things. Unlike the RWNJ Bogeyman Soros, he’s pretty straightforward about what he does, why and how.

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Nyet  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:21:26am

re: #91 Ming5000

Putinists hate Soros.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:30:36am
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Ming5000  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:38:22am

Regarding the George Soros thing, I found the use of the term “Non Governmental Organizations” to be odd. In the US an NGO usually meant an organization tied to or had implied endorsement to the government, such as Fannie Mae (Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA)). At least, that was my take. Therefore I took the use of the term NGO to be an implied pejorative.

Turns out that internationally the use of the term NGO is common.

The term “non-governmental organization” was first coined in 1945, when the United Nations (UN) was created.[NGOs - A New History of Transnational Civil Society, Thomas Davies]

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Alyosha  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:43:32am

Finally caught up…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:45:25am

re: #46 I cannot.

Talking about coverage by Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera specifically and other non-Western media, said they were “media outlets that challenge the ‘white man’s’ news monopoly”

To support his assertion that Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera’s coverage were/are biased against us and for “Them”, in comparison to western media.

Footnote 15, page 19:”One group focused on the toppling of Hussein’s statues and the rejoicing of average Iraquis, whilst the other preferred to emphasize the looting and ensuing chaos that liberation brought”

CITATION OF YOUR CITATION NEEDED!

JFC. I take that back, 50 Shades of Plan 9 would be awesome!

This is depressing, annoying, and infuriating.

ETA: Much of what I’m putting in here is partial quotes, as the document is at least pseudo-academic, and thus very wordy. Also, the document does not like copying.

As is Mr. Gorka. I vowed to never again hear his voice after stumbling on an interview he did with NPR. I was screaming in my car. In the most exasperatingly superciliously douchey voice he turned back legitimate questions with the “these are the comments of the east coast chattering classes; we represent REAL America” bullshit.

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Ming5000  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:45:29am

re: #96 Alyosha

Does Chuck Woolery feel outraged and want to attack women who wear vagina hats?

And, when do the breast hats come out? Asking for a friend.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:49:14am

I thought that maybe when I got to this part in the dissertation, I’d find some context that makes the diagram in the tweet below seem useful.

I didn’t.

re: #97 Barefoot Grin

I am reading his writing using his voice, to feel the proper doucheyness of the writing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 4:57:24am

re: #94 Kragar

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You got 46% of the vote. Stop acting like you won big. You won due an archaic practice you complained about. You also embarrass America every time you open your fat mouth.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:39:45am

Gorka is making the argument for something called a “SuperPurple” structure operating on a completely interagency basis…basically he’s calling for the creation of G.I. Joe.

I’m not really kidding.

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b_sharp  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:43:13am

re: #102 I cannot.

Gorka is making the argument for something called a “SuperPurple” structure operating on a completely interagency basis…basically he’s calling for the creation of G.I. Joe.

I’m not really kidding.

A bunch of army soldiers only 11” tall?

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:45:23am
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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:48:05am

re: #103 b_sharp

I prefer the smaller ones. Much more articulation and variety.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:53:08am

Greets and saluts from the resistance. NYC saw some serious heat yesterday - temps rose to 70 or more in spots with records at multiple locations. That’s 10 degrees more than last year, and we’re talking 25+ degrees more than average highs.

Today we’ll see warm temps again, but a front will be coming through later this afternoon and temperatures will finally drop to around normal - for a day. Then we’re right back into warmer than average temps.

But you know, it’s not the weather that bothers me. It’s that Trump continues surrounding himself with charlatans, liars, bigots, and relies on more of the same for his news.

We see it with the joined at the hip Breitbart agitprop operation that extends all the way into the WH via Bannon to Gorka’s nonsense and questionable CV to Trump relying on Alex Jones and conspiracy sites for his “news” that he regurgitates in tweets. We see it with SMOTI pushing BS to Hannity who then dumps it into the Fox News ecosystem, even if Hannity later deletes tweets linking them. Everywhere you turn, right wingers claim stuff is fake news when it exposes right wing lies and agitprop. We see that from Trump on down too - and other GOP politicians are taking note of this as well.

Trump got elected despite logic and reasoning saying that someone who lies that much about everything shouldn’t be in a position of power. He got elected precisely because he figured out that people can be easily manipulated and that simple slogans beat complex ones when dealing with complex issues.

Jobs? MAGA
Military? MAGA
Economy? MAGA

How? He has a plan. A super plan. It’ll be yuuge. So great.

And just enough people in just enough places bought this baffling BS. Throw in the Russia angle in manipulating media and the election outcome (yeah, those emails and the FBI story also played in) and Trump got to where he clearly doesn’t belong.

Now, after a month, we’re seeing just how awful the GOP is. First moves included screwing people with mortgages who benefited from a reduction in PMI under Obama. Then a rollback of environmental protections that prohibited coal mines from dumping waste in waterways (yeah, miners that’ll really help you and yours out - mine operators pocket profits from not protecting the environment, and you get to drink up the muck that gets brought out of the mines/processing - congrats!)

Then, a rollback of Obama era LGBT protections - which even Caitlyn Jenner realized was wrong (we knew it was going to happen, why didn’t she?).

On and on it goes, and the GOP regressive policies are being pushed. Even their plans to repeal Obamacare are moving ahead, even though news reports show that the GOP will fuck over all Americans in the process - higher costs, fewer people covered, less coverage, and it will hit everyone with insurance, including those with employer-based coverage.

That’s why so many people started to respond in those town halls this past week. They’re starting to see through the GOP lies.

But why did it have to come to this? It starts with way to just after Obamacare was enacted, and Democrats fled the signature act because they thought that it would not help their reelection chances. They ceded the policy sphere to the GOP who outright lied about every aspect of the program and we started to watch Democrat advantages in Congress get shredded to the point where by 2016 the GOP controlled both chambers. Only now do Democrats realize that they need to regain the policy sphere with a positive and affirmative agenda that includes vigorously defending Obamacare.

But Democrats have to do so much more than that - they (via the DNC) need to take a 50 state strategy to roll back GOP gains across the nation and expose the GOP lies for what they are. That means that whoever wins the DNC chairperson position this weekend will need to make sure that Democrats focus on winning in 2018, that the Democrats focus on defeating the GOP and defend those who are the most vulnerable of our citizens.

Because the GOP doesn’t care about any of them.

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mmmirele  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:55:59am

Just a reminder that my congresscritter Andy Biggs couldn’t find the time to have a town hall with his constituents, but he’s back in Washington this morning so he can pontificate on Extreme Vetting.

The wrong kind of extreme vetting
The right kind of extreme vetting!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:02:13am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:06:25am

re: #72 I cannot.

OK, among the high-level academia here, who would accept Wikipedia as an acceptable citation? I know that even here Wikipedia can get the side-eye occasionally…

Not. A. Legitimate. Source. It’s an ok starting place for general information and nothing more.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:06:38am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:06:41am

“We will continue to hunt for Mitch any time he’s in Kentucky until he agrees to a town hall,” said Kim Hibbard, who helped organize the protest.

After attending a Chamber of Commerce event earlier in the week, McConnell was asked by a reporter why he doesn’t attend town hall events. McConnell replied: “I thought we had a lot of the general public here, plus a whole lot of others today. I’m perfectly open.”

Reena Paracha said Friday she attended protests at events in Lawrenceburg, Louisville and Covington this week but never saw the senator.

“He is so afraid of the people … right now,” she said. “He doesn’t even have the guts to come out and speak to any of us.”

Hibbard said that McConnell chooses to attend public events where he speaks to friendly audiences and doesn’t face any pushback. She said protesters have been gathering outside McConnell’s office in downtown Louisville once a week and will continue doing so at least through 100 days of Trump’s presidency.

In his speech, McConnell defended the protesters’ right to speak out but said they reflect a “distinct minority” in conservative Kentucky. When McConnell talked about their motivation, it provoked a derisive comment from someone in the crowd. As McConnell said “I think they’re mostly,” he paused, and someone in the audience shouted “losers.” The audience broke out in laughter and applause.

McConnell then continued, saying they are “deeply liberal people who are really having a very hard time accepting the results of the election.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:11:10am
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b_sharp  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:11:17am

re: #105 I cannot.

I prefer the smaller ones. Much more articulation and variety.

The small ones didn’t exist when I was a kid.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:16:58am

re: #79 I cannot.

It’s not a citation of a paper, it was a citation for the definition of “doctrine”, saying that that Sec. Baker and President Bush’s policy didn’t meet Wikipedia’s definition of a foreign policy doctrine.

o_O?!

Ah, Gorka and rigorous academia…yeah, nah.

If Wikipedia had existed when I wrote my dissertation, my advisor (as Harlequinade so eloquently implies) would have ripped me a new one, sent me back to the library, and postponed my defense by 3 months as punishment for being an idiot who deserves no respect.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:20:03am

re: #114 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

If Wikipedia had existed when I wrote my dissertation, my advisor (as Harlequinade so eloquently implies) would have ripped me a new one, sent me back to the library, and postponed my defense by 3 months as punishment for being an idiot who deserves no respect.

Wikipedia has a place in academia - it provides lots of links to legitimate sources.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:21:22am

Yeouch! Auntie Beeb getting pantsed?

Media Lens: The ‘Superficial, Arrogant Smugness’ Of BBC News - Peter Oborne Delivers Some Home Truths On BBC Radio 4 Today

Medial Lens’s About Us statement is here. I’ll say this much-the BCC is still heads and shoulders much better than our US sycophantic access-based media-and Bill Maher amde a very pointed (and probably true statement) that the news divisions of the major media outlets are funded at under 5% of revenue (and CNN and ABC are even less at under 2%).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:25:20am

Voix: Woman with dying husband confronts Tom Cotton: “What kind of insurance do you have?”

To whit….

Youtube Video

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:26:44am

re: #103 b_sharp

A bunch of army soldiers only 11” tall?

sans discernable genitalia?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:32:26am
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:35:42am

re: #109 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

Not. A. Legitimate. Source. It’s an ok starting place for general information and nothing more.

As I tell my kids, you start with Wikipedia, and then you go to the references on the page and use those as sources.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:38:24am

re: #119 GlutenFreeJesus

FTW (for the win!)

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:39:12am

re: #120 Belafon

Same way that back in the day, you’d start research with encyclopedias and work to more specific sources.

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MomSense  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:40:49am

re: #21 Belafon

Has Greenwald ever inserted himself into politics to do anything other than cause division or discontent for Democrats?

My hunch about him from the beginning is that his purpose is to attack Democrats from the supposed left. Always seemed like classic ratfvcking to me.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:41:23am

re: #123 MomSense

Has Greenwald ever inserted himself into politics to do anything other than cause division or discontent for Democrats?

My hunch about him from the beginning is that his purpose is to attack Democrats from the supposed left. Always seemed like classic ratfvcking to me.

His guiding principle is first and foremost - what benefits him personally the most.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:43:13am

re: #120 Belafon

As I tell my kids, you start with Wikipedia, and then you go to the references on the page and use those as sources.

Dead on. I allow Wikipedia, but a confirming source from the reference wiki page must be used as well.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:44:03am

OT: since angry liberal protesting is now a profession, and there are no buses to pick me up, can I deduct miles and gas from my taxes if I use my own car to travel to town halls?

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MomSense  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:45:03am

re: #87 Timothy Watson

And if you do sleep in, you wake up with a caffeine withdrawal headache.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:49:58am

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

OT: since angry liberal protesting is now a profession, and there are no buses to pick me up, can I deduct miles and gas from my taxes if I use my own car to travel to town halls?

The Joint Travel Regulations apply. They adopt the AAA milage calculation, which is a lot more per mile than most people realize.

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Alyosha  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:51:15am

re: #119 GlutenFreeJesus

‘My tshirt merely represents a heavily-gerrymandered district that voted for Trump but relies on Medicaid expansion. The hat is pure irony.’

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:51:45am

re: #115 thedopefishlives

Wikipedia has a place in academia - it provides lots of links to legitimate sources.

Yes. But, not as a primary reference.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:55:16am

re: #33 Moebym

He received his Ph.D.* from Trump U.

*Permanent Head Damage, as my dad likes to put it.

Piled Higher and Deeper in the words of Peter Drucker.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 6:55:47am

You use wiki as a starting point for research and then the links within and academic journals for details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:02:01am
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ericblair  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:03:13am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN should have their own rally. It would be the biggest of them all!

They can do it any time they goddamn want. Looks like nobody’s really feeling up to it, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:03:14am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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With the bears in fez hats driving in carts.

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I cannot.  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:04:17am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

So we’re all agreed that when Gorka used Wikipedia as a source for his definition of “doctrine” his adviser should have kicked him in the nuts?

He should of course be kicked in the nuts repeatedly anyway, just on general principal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:05:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:07:47am

some morning weirdness in northern Kentucky:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:09:49am

re: #136 I cannot.

So we’re all agreed that when Gorka used Wikipedia as a source for his definition of “doctrine” his adviser should have kicked him in the nuts?

He should of course be kicked in the nuts repeatedly anyway, just on general principal.

Absolutely. Every professor I had said don’t use wiki as a source.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:12:07am

re: #103 b_sharp

It’s been done.

Small Soldiers Trailer (1998)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:12:40am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:15:14am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:17:00am

re: #88 Kragar

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McMaster doesn’t know it yet, but in a meeting today he will find out that “National Security Adviser” means he advises Steve Bannon’s pet hamster, which is named “National Security”.

(McMaster can ask all the questions he wants about the part of his appointment that was crossed out in crayon, but Mike Cohen won’t be giving straight answers.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:21:39am

So much for the Laffer Curve in practice….
The Atlantic: Kansas Republicans Sour on Their Tax-Cut Experiment

The state legislature nearly reversed Governor Sam Brownback’s signature policy after a voter rebellion. His economic legacy, one GOP lawmaker says, “is going down in flames.”

It was only two months ago that Governor Sam Brownback was offering up the steep tax cuts he enacted in Kansas as a model for President Trump to follow. Yet by the time Republicans in Congress get around to tax reform, Brownback’s fiscal plan could be history—and it’ll be his own party that kills it.

The GOP-controlled legislature in Kansas nearly reversed the conservative governor’s tax cuts on Tuesday, as a coalition of Democrats and newly-elected centrist Republicans came within a few votes of overriding Brownback’s veto of legislation to raise income-tax rates and eliminate an exemption for small businesses that blew an enormous hole in the state’s budget. Brownback’s tax cuts survive for now, but lawmakers and political observers view the surprising votes in the state House and Senate as a strong sign that the five-year-old policy will be substantially erased in a final budget deal this spring. Kansas legislators must close a $346 million deficit by June, and years of borrowing and quick fixes have left them with few remaining options aside from tax hikes or deep spending cuts to education that could be challenged in court. The tax bill would have raised revenues by more than $1 billion over two years.

The Brownback blowback has been a long time coming. Though he won reelection in 2014, the governor has presided over one budget mess after another since then, and all but his staunchest conservative allies have blamed the crisis on reductions in personal tax rates and a provision that exempted 330,000 owners of small businesses from paying income taxes. Brownback has resisted efforts to undo the policies, preferring instead to raise taxes on tobacco, fuel, and other consumer goods. His relationship with Republicans in the legislature deteriorated, and in primary and general elections last year, a wave of Democrats and centrist Republicans defeated many of the conservatives who had stood by him.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:25:08am

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll give Bernie credit here…that’s pretty good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:25:22am
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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:32:01am

I’m going to put this out there - but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this reeks of confirmation bias:

If this is true - and that’s a Russia-sized if - then criminal charges should be forthcoming to a multitude of people in and out of government.

But I think this requires proof that is not yet publicly known. This is still the realm of supposition and rumor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:37:00am

*blink*
The article actually contradicts the headline and lede.

Sen. Rob Portman denied claims that his office prevented Democrats from attending a political dinner where he spoke Wednesday.

Rather, Portman shifted the blame to Sandusky County Republican Chairman Justin Smith, who has taken responsibility for the decision and says he remains proud of it.

Portman said Friday a Dispatch story raising questions about his role in weeding out Democratic attendees from the GOP event was “false news.”

The Sandusky County Republican Party and its Seneca County counterpart co-hosted the annual Lincoln Day Dinner.

Seneca County GOP Treasurer David Koehl reiterated Thursday that Portman’s office played an instrumental role in the decision to refund tickets bought by potential protesters. Koehl shared an email he sent to Portman staffers last week — well before the controversy arose — questioning their decision to deny entry to suspect ticket-buyers.

Additionally, Koehl stressed his friendship with some of Portman’s staffers and Sandusky County Republicans. He referred to the final decision to deny tickets as a joint one, enforced by the co-sponsors in conjunction with Portman’s office.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:38:46am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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like she gives a shit about the future of the Democratic Party. It’s okay to have a preference, it’s not okay to constantly whine if your candidate doesn’t win.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:39:33am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*
The article actually contradicts the headline and lede.

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We’re pretty well past the point of polite dinner conversation.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:40:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:41:51am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:44:52am

Purity politics is why Trump will succeed. Pathetic that Turner thinks this is smart and okay. I like Ellison but Perez and most of the others would be good too and let me be blunt, the only reason why some support Ellison is he supported Sanders. If Perez had, those same people would support him.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:48:32am
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steve_davis  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:51:20am

re: #36 Anymouse

Kitchen:

Crash! Bang! (items fall to deck)

Cat devours a mouse on the countertop. (ewww)

Question for vet: Are mice on a diabetic cat’s diet?

said the cat to his next meal, the bird,
“I honestly would have preferred
to eat mouse for dinner
because you’re much thinner,
but it’s easier to defeather than defer.”

One of the only limericks, thankfully, I’ve ever inflicted on the world.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:54:35am

re: #154 Ace Rothstein

Ah, yes……..Penisfest!

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:55:58am

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

OT: since angry liberal protesting is now a profession, and there are no buses to pick me up, can I deduct miles and gas from my taxes if I use my own car to travel to town halls?

Just the mileage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:57:28am
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coin operated  Feb 25, 2017 • 7:58:22am

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That was beautiful….

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nines09  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:00:33am

Cover of Nicki Minaj Super Bass. Made me laugh so hard I cried. Your milage may vary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:02:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:04:13am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:07:50am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nothing matters anymore.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:11:54am

re: #151 lawhawk

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That is way into Page Worthy territory Lawhawk.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:16:17am

re: #21 Belafon

I saw on dk where Greenwald asked “why did Obama pick Perez?” And too many people were like “yeah, there must be a conspiracy.”

I wasted way too much time reading the comments on that one—with the Bernie Bro contingent, not ironically, arguing—why couldn’t everyone just unite around Ellison and let him run unopposed?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:24:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:27:26am
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BigPapa  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:29:02am

Yes. Bret Baier said Obama has excluded Fox News. When challenged, he went Larry Klayman. Unreal.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:33:21am

re: #147 lawhawk

I’m going to put this out there - but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this reeks of confirmation bias:

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If this is true - and that’s a Russia-sized if - then criminal charges should be forthcoming to a multitude of people in and out of government.

But I think this requires proof that is not yet publicly known. This is still the realm of supposition and rumor.

Ms. Mensch is a few french fries short of a happy meal.

She was going on some tirade a couple weeks ago about how the Supreme Court was going to remove Trump as President.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:38:46am
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:44:55am

re: #119 GlutenFreeJesus

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here’s a penis hat.

Or, more specifically, a penis wearing a hat.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:48:26am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And I say for the 11ty millionth time—fuck Nina Turner.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:48:50am

re: #172 BeachDem

And I say for the 11ty millionth time—fuck Nina Turner.

Honestly, no thanks./

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:49:32am

re: #171 BeachDem

Or, more specifically, a penis wearing a hat.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:52:51am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Purity politics is why Trump will succeed. Pathetic that Turner thinks this is smart and okay. I like Ellison but Perez and most of the others would be good too and let me be blunt, the only reason why some support Ellison is he supported Sanders. If Perez had, those same people would support him.

On that idiotic kos diary that cites Greenwald, people were actually saying that Ellison should have been the unanimous choice because Bernie endorsed him for DNC chair. (there were also some saying Greenwald is the greatest journalist evahhh—although there were more saying he is a total asshole.)

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:53:42am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:54:36am
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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:55:36am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

How’s the signature hunt going?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:57:36am

re: #171 BeachDem

Or, more specifically, a penis wearing a hat.

I thought that was a twat (British English) wearing a hat…

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:57:41am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

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Ah, the original prototype.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 8:59:22am
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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:03:04am

re: #164 Unshaken Defiance

Done.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:04:10am

Today on CPAC craziness, they had a panel that discussed how we can not accept refugees from war-torn areas due to the fact that the records for them have been destroyed and they most certainly will be carrying diseases.

Also Robert Davi suggested “The New Equilibrium Press Accountability Policy” that suggests that the President no longer refer to CNN or MSNBC but rather, Amazon owned, etc… or Time Warner owned… or AT&T owned… As a way to punish the networks’ parent companies by sending the signal to supporters not to shop or invest in these outlets. This would allow the people to “vote with their pocketbooks,” and punish the media for running “fake stories.”

I’m appalled and just checking in.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:04:41am

Not being annoyed enough just reading crap about the DNC chair fight, I decided to immerse myself in the bullshit and turned on c-span.

Right now, just a lot of people milling around.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:05:16am

Ugh. One of my FB friends posted a video by Creepy Steven Crowder, going to a local mall to cat-call women, and posting their responses. I’m sure he only cherry-picked the ones that responded favorably, and cut out the ones that slapped him in the face.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:05:26am

re: #183 Major Tom

Today on CPAC craziness, they had a panel that discussed how we can not accept refugees from war-torn areas due to the fact that the records for them have been destroyed and they most certainly will be carrying diseases.

Also Robert Davi suggested “The New Equilibrium Press Accountability Policy” that suggests that the President no longer refer to CNN or MSNBC but rather, Amazon owned, etc… or Time Warner owned… or AT&T owned… As a way to punish the networks’ parent companies by sending the signal to supporters not to shop or invest in these outlets. This would allow the people to “vote with their pocketbooks,” and punish the media for running “fake stories.”

I’m appalled and just checking in.

You have a stronger stomach than I do.

Do you have a GoFundMe started for the necessary post-watching alcohol binge?

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:06:15am

re: #183 Major Tom

Today on CPAC craziness, they had a panel that discussed how we can not accept refugees from war-torn areas due to the fact that the records for them have been destroyed and they most certainly will be carrying diseases.

Also Robert Davi suggested “The New Equilibrium Press Accountability Policy” that suggests that the President no longer refer to CNN or MSNBC but rather, Amazon owned, etc… or Time Warner owned… or AT&T owned… As a way to punish the networks’ parent companies by sending the signal to supporters not to shop or invest in these outlets. This would allow the people to “vote with their pocketbooks,” and punish the media for running “fake stories.”

I’m appalled and just checking in.

Wonder what Australian-Chinese-Saudi owned Fox news thinks about this?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:06:22am

re: #168 BigPapa

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:06:24am

re: #183 Major Tom

And I would say I would boycott Robert Davi but the only things I’ve ever seen him in are Stargate Atlantis and License to Kill.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:06:42am

Trump’s been touting that the economy is going gangbusters and debt has declined on his watch (technically, it’s still Obama’s budget). So of course who’s the source?

SMOTI. Yeah, that’s right - the dumbest man on the Internet is pushing BS to the most ignorant man in the world.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:07:08am

re: #189 Timothy Watson

And I would say I would boycott Robert Davi but the only things I’ve ever seen him in are Stargate Atlantis and License to Killed.

I had to look him up on imdb to see who he was.

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TedStriker  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:07:41am

re: #189 Timothy Watson

And I would say I would boycott Robert Davi but the only things I’ve ever seen him in are Stargate Atlantis and License to Killed.

And The Goonies

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:07:44am

re: #190 lawhawk

Assuming, of course, that SMOTI is making a false comparison - do we know what the real numbers look like? Or is it as you said, a holdover from Obama’s budgeting?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:07:51am

re: #191 BeachDem

I had to look him up on imdb to see who he was.

He also did the narration on the Demon Sheep ad. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:07:56am

re: #184 BeachDem

Not being annoyed enough just reading crap about the DNC chair fight, I decided to immerse myself in the bullshit and turned on c-span.

Right now, just a lot of people milling around.

They are doing a practice vote with the clickers right now.

Actual vote about to start

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:09:56am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are doing a practice vote with the clickers right now.

Actual vote about to start

ahhh….nominating speeches first.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:10:06am

re: #190 lawhawk

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Trump’s been touting that the economy is going gangbusters and debt has declined on his watch (technically, it’s still Obama’s budget). So of course who’s the source?

SMOTI. Yeah, that’s right - the dumbest man on the Internet is pushing BS to the most ignorant man in the world.

OMG—didn’t realize that there was another idiotic Hoft—Joe.

Welp—the DNC chair vote is commencing—this should be a true shitshow thanks to the BoB contingent.

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b_sharp  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:10:48am

re: #147 lawhawk

I’m going to put this out there - but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this reeks of confirmation bias:

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If this is true - and that’s a Russia-sized if - then criminal charges should be forthcoming to a multitude of people in and out of government.

But I think this requires proof that is not yet publicly known. This is still the realm of supposition and rumor.

Not hard to ‘plant’ an email. Just needs to be emailed from an account with false metadata.
I do agree with you though, this does sound like supposition and bias validation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:12:11am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

How’s the signature hunt going?

Good. I’ve gotten 34 siggies in all of the 10000 we need.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:13:41am

Damn—Joe is SMOTI’s identical twin.

I’m crawling under my bed and never coming out.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:14:55am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Good. I’ve gotten 34 siggies in all of the 10000 we need.

Also need 400 per each congressional district. :)

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:16:54am

Joe Hoft’s biggest claim to fame (talking about Drudge)—it’s in bold on his website:

As a result of his predictions, Joe made the headline on one of the largest websites in the world two days in a row - a feat that very few, if any, journalists have ever done!

Can we still call DimJim SMOTI or does he have to share the title with his twin?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:18:07am

re: #197 BeachDem

OMG—didn’t realize that there was another idiotic Hoft—Joe.

Welp—the DNC chair vote is commencing—this should be a true shitshow thanks to the BoB contingent.

I’m sick of them insisting that the party isn’t a home to progressives. Stop making Bernie and support of a man who isn’t even a Democrat a litmus test for someone’s value. I’m pissed that Tom Perez who did a lot of great things in Montegomery County and in the Obama WH is a bad guy now. I like Ellison too but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let Sanders-Clinton be the litmus test. The guy I collected signatures with yesterday was a former Bernie volunteer too but he seems practical minded.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:18:41am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

BUTBUTBUT PURITY UNICORNS!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:19:36am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

Also need 400 per each congressional district. :)

So basically you mean I’ve gotten about 10% of what we need for the 10th though some of the people I talked to are in Beyer or Connolly’s district.

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stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:20:47am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

“which is silly if true and shows you dont actually care about the party if one loss means you run away”

I like Keith Ellison but I wish he’d lose this contest. I’d rather he keep on representing his district in the house, and I don’t want to see these smug bros get another victory that they think is part of their birth right to always get their way because they’re the only ones who are truly right about everything. I want these people to get spanked good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:20:50am

Wait guys there’s another Hoft? And a twin? I was hoping if Hoft had a twin, he’d be smart and progressive and have a goatee.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:21:10am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Wait guys there’s another Hoft? And a twin? I was hoping if Hoft had a twin, he’d be smart and progressive and have a goatee.

No, that’s the alternate universe Hoft.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:21:43am

re: #208 thedopefishlives

No, that’s the alternate universe Hoft.

Ohhhhh!

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:23:18am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

So basically you mean I’ve gotten about 10% of what we need for the 10th though some of the people I talked to are in Beyer or Connolly’s district.

Hehe, just giving you a hard time. :)

I actually filled out the volunteer form on Ralph Northam’s website, haven’t heard anything yet. (That might have something to do with me being a “Strong Republican” in the Democrats’ Voter Access Network (VAN).)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:23:18am

re: #206 stpaulbear

I like Keith Ellison but I wish he’d lose this contest. I’d rather he keep on representing his district in the house, and I don’t want to see these smug bros get another victory that they think is part of their birth right to always get their way because they’re the only ones who are truly right about everything. I want these people to get spanked good.

Not that we should give in to any right-wing BS, but can you hear the cries of “DNC SHARIA TERRORISTS”?! already? Ugh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:24:14am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

Hehe, just giving you a hard time. :)

I actually filled out the volunteer form on Ralph Northam’s website, haven’t heard anything yet. (That might have something to do with me being a “Strong Republican” in the Democrats’ Voter Access Network (VAN).)

Don’t be afraid to email directly.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:24:50am

re: #211 GlutenFreeJesus

Not that we should give in to any right-wing BS, but can you hear the cries of “DNC SHARIA TERRORISTS”?! already? Ugh.

Nobody we could pick would get them to shut up. The only thing that changes is the actual words they use. Where’s our friendly local troll with his helpful dictionary definitions to help us distinguish the phrases?

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:26:11am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Wait guys there’s another Hoft? And a twin? I was hoping if Hoft had a twin, he’d be smart and progressive and have a goatee.

Putting it under wraps because it’s really scary—the Hoft Bros and Phyllis Schlafly.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:26:51am

re: #214 BeachDem

It’s like a stupidity singularity. A wingularity, if you will. Any intelligence that falls in never emerges.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:28:21am

This actually seems to be a pretty friendly primary though.We actually got a state senator who supports Northam to sign at the farmers market last week. I actually “knew” her before since my boss forwards me her emails as ideas for the small business newsletter that my boss does for Fairfax County small business commission. I’ve had good talks with the non elected Northam supporters I’ve gotten to sign too. They always feel better when I assure them that the signing isn’t a forced endorsement of Tom and I assure them that I like Northam a lot too. So this so far has been a pretty gentlemanly primary and I hope it stays that way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:28:49am

re: #214 BeachDem

Putting it under wraps because it’s really scary—the Hoft Bros and Phyllis Schlafly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:30:59am

Sam Ronan has no one to nominate him…

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:31:11am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

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Well, she’s dead now, so not anymore. (Not sure if she died before he came out, and don’t care enough to check!)

Ugh— now the nomination for Sam Ronan—he had no nomination or seconding speeches; and the little twit is wearing another Rick Santorum sweater vest.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:32:47am

I’m tired of the Sanders supporters acting like his campaign were purely innocent actors in the primary. That’s where they lose me the most and the bullshit about how the Democratic party has moved too far to the right. The Democratic Party in 2017 is the most inclusive its been in its history.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:33:50am

My coffee shop is closed [the one I go to. My shop is a bike shop. I go elsewhere for coffee since I switched from tea and can’t get it together to do anything but instant myself. And I have become reliant.] Today was supposed to be the last day with the good owner in charge. There was some kind of verbal confrontation Thursday evening, which the not-so-good owner told me about when he came over yesterday to ask me what I’ve been hearing. He said his partner threatened to call the police. I didn’t tell him I had suggested (to good owner) that might be appropriate if it was coming to one partner cleaning out all the property with no compensation to the other owner. It’s always hard to tell who knows what, but now the bad owner knows that I know the place is closing. He does not know that the good owner told me two weeks ago.

Tomorrow is live music day, which good owner made into a thing, since he’s a musician, and the musical guest is a guy I’ve known for 25 years, who I saw there a month ago and requested a song he didn’t remember well enough, so he said he’d play it this time. So I gotta go in tomorrow. The sign on the door says bad owner will be there. The song’s title is It Gets Better. We shall see.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:34:05am

re: #219 BeachDem

Well, she’s dead now, so not anymore. (Not sure if she died before he came out, and don’t care enough to check!)

Ugh— now the nomination for Sam Ronan—he had no nomination or seconding speeches; and the little twit is wearing another Rick Santorum sweater vest.

I’m not sure either. I think she died before though. Can’t stand Ronan. Another person who wants to make the chairmanship a referendum on Bernie.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:34:08am

Sam Ronan could possibly be the most annoying little twit ever.

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electrotek  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:35:05am

Canadian Muslim preacher Imam Sheharyar Shaikh suggests Muslims who leave Islam should be killed.

Great job numbnuts, give more ammo to the Islamophobic crowd.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:37:05am

Could Randi Weingarten scream any louder during her nomination speech for Ellison? We can hear you, Randi.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:38:33am

MrBWS is home just in time for the DNC nominating speeches.

He just watched Randi’s speech for Ellison and asked “did she forget to bring her cheerleader pompoms?”

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:39:45am

I feel like I may be inadvertently being stereotypical but I’m getting a real mafioso feel from these CPAC speakers. Maybe its just the Italian New York accent thing…

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:39:49am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*
The article actually contradicts the headline and lede.

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Dear Rob Portman,

It is highly unusual for a Republican politician to claim The Columbus Dispatch is “false news” since it is almost 99% of the time a complete Republican/Conservative newspaper.

In fact they always endorse your tired ass.

So, nice try Rob. Just admit you, like so many of your chicken-shit Republican Senate colleagues, are scared to face the people of Ohio.

(Sure would be nice if The Dispatch gets pissed off at Portman and really goes after him for calling them out. But…they all have butts to cover.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:41:02am

Here’s the thing. The Democratic Party in the past 8 years has spoken of inclusion for transgendered Americans, non-believing Americans, and many other groups who were never spoken for in what the party’s far left consider the party’s “true progressive era.” I consider myself a FDR fan but there are many things that FDR did not do because of playing it safe politically and honestly his own prejudices that the so called “corporate” Democrats do today. If they want to know why in part left wing economics don’t sell, it’s in part because of that WWC, they infantize so much, that group that was okay with things like government health care and other government programs when they thought only white people were benefitting from them. The other thing is left economics are harder to sell in part because of the system we’ve created. We have fewer and fewer people alive today who remember life pre-New Deal.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:41:58am

re: #227 Major Tom

I feel like I may be inadvertently being stereotypical but I’m getting a real mafioso feel from these CPAC speakers. Maybe its just the Italian New York accent thing…

Carl Paladino always remnded me of a mafiosi. But that was more because he literally brought a bat with him to a press conference one time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:43:03am

re: #223 BeachDem

Sam Ronan could possibly be the most annoying little twit ever.

On the left maybe, there’s plenty of people on the right his age that are just as bad. I honestly just don’t know what he thinks qualifies him. I’d have respect if he were seeking his local county’s Democratic chairmanship but the whole enchilada? Uh no sorry Sam.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:43:27am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

That’ll do it…

Also in between speakers they have a lone electric guitar playing what I imagine to be riffs from Top Gun cut scenes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:43:54am

No, Keith, the point is not “winning elections”…that’s just the first step. Performance after the election is even more important.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:44:09am

AGW? What AGW?
#AMITRITE

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:44:18am

re: #232 Major Tom

That’ll do it…

Also in between speakers they have a lone electric guitar playing what I imagine to be riffs from Top Gun cut scenes.

I can’t imagine how boring CPAC must be. Maybe it’s fun the first time but it must get exhausting after hearing the same tired speeches time and time again and the constant self pity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:44:45am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, Keith, the point is not “winning elections”…that’s just the first step. Performance after the election is even more important.

Yes, governance matters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:45:22am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Yes, governance matters.

See: Joe Manchin….

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:45:31am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

(Half a dozen people engage in Tepid applause)

“Wow what energy! What a great crowd.”

Seriously happened.

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:46:49am

re: #22 Amory Blaine

Want!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:47:06am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

See: Joe Manchin….

Exactly. Jim Webb to another extent though in fairness to Webb’s tenure as a Senator, he did do some good things on CJ reform and helping vets. We need to create a coalition. People who can tell their neighbors and family “Yep, that’s my party and I’m proud to support it and you should too.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:47:14am

Keith, that “D” behind the name isn’t something magical.
Again, see: Joe Manchin (and so many other supposed Dems)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:47:35am

re: #238 Major Tom

(Half a dozen people engage in Tepid applause)

“Wow what energy! What a great crowd.”

Seriously happened.

Probalby the most applause the guy’s ever gotten for any speech ever?

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:48:51am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, Keith, the point is not “winning elections”…that’s just the first step. Performance after the election is even more important.

Winning elections is important. Standing behind your policies is also important, and the Democrats fled from the battlefield after Obamacare was enacted. That was disastrous because it meant the GOP got to claim all kinds of BS about the program and what it does and how it accomplishes it.

Everything the GOP claimed was a lie - that it would destroy jobs, that it would create a death spiral, that it would be too costly.

Turns out that the repeal would result in millions of lost jobs, it would create a death spiral, and it would add billions to the debt (and that doesn’t count the medically induced bankruptcies and costs to hospitals).

By not standing up to fight the GOP in 2010 and 2012 and 2014, the GOP picked up seats that they had no business picking up, and that too affected the gerrymandering resulting from the census. It further diluted Democrats’ power and left Democrats with fewer seats than they otherwise should have had.

An all districts-strategy (aka 50 state strategy) is critical. It also means fighting to preserve the ACA and expanding rights and liberty for everyone - not just those angry white guys.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:49:06am

I’m really hoping Mayor Pete pulls it as a “compromise” candidate. I doubt he’ll win but he’s my favorite after all I’ve learned. I don’t really know too much about what Perez and Ellison’s plans are. I am just bothered by the race between them really becoming another Clinton-Sanders Part 2 and I do not want that at all.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:49:16am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

It sounded authentic.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:51:03am

They have joked about rigged elections and superdelegates all day today so far. The Democratic party still dominates discussions and is the object of ridicule even as they control the government.

Also Bryon York has a punchable face. I never would. But I want to.

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stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:51:40am

re: #211 GlutenFreeJesus

Not that we should give in to any right-wing BS, but can you hear the cries of “DNC SHARIA TERRORISTS”?! already? Ugh.

Sorry, but that is literally the last reason I would use to not vote for Ellison.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:53:29am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:53:35am

re: #246 Major Tom

They have joked about rigged elections and superdelegates all day today so far. The Democratic party still dominates discussions and is the object of ridicule even as they control the government.

I’d love to see what was going on behind the scenes at the RNC as Trump was piling up wins. I’m sick of the idea that Sanders got robbed. The dude overwhelmingly lost among registered Democrats. He ran an admirable campaign. It would be nice if Sanders supporters could have just patted themselves on the back for that and used that momentum for positive good rather than claiming Bernie and only those who supported him are real progressives.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:53:43am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I’m really hoping Mayor Pete pulls it as a “compromise” candidate. I doubt he’ll win but he’s my favorite after all I’ve learned. I don’t really know too much about what Perez and Ellison’s plans are. I am just bothered by the race between them really becoming another Clinton-Sanders Part 2 and I do not want that at all.

I also would like to see Mayor Pete win—partly to shut up the ongoing primary bullshit and also because I think he’d be a great face for the party—young, smart, savvy and dedicated.

I’m sure he’s a real longshot, but ya gotta have dreams…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:55:29am

re: #190 lawhawk

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Trump’s been touting that the economy is going gangbusters and debt has declined on his watch (technically, it’s still Obama’s budget). So of course who’s the source?

SMOTI. Yeah, that’s right - the dumbest man on the Internet is pushing BS to the most ignorant man in the world.

The debt most certainly did not go down. The deficit may have, but for the debt to go down the US would have to be operating at a surplus, which we most definitely are not.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:55:33am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I’m really hoping Mayor Pete pulls it as a “compromise” candidate. I doubt he’ll win but he’s my favorite after all I’ve learned. I don’t really know too much about what Perez and Ellison’s plans are. I am just bothered by the race between them really becoming another Clinton-Sanders Part 2 and I do not want that at all.

According to the Ellison fans on kos (I know)—)Perez and Ellison are almost identical, so Perez should not have entered the race and Ellison should have just been proclaimed the winner because Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:55:59am

re: #250 BeachDem

I also would like to see Mayor Pete win—partly to shut up the ongoing primary bullshit and also because I think he’d be a great face for the party—young, smart, savvy and dedicated.

I’m sure he’s a real longshot, but ya gotta have dreams…

Exactly. He’s a naval vet too. I really hope this isn’t the last we’ve seen of him. We need fresh faces and he’s one of them. I appreciate that he can talk about the working class without saying we need to make promises we can’t keep or infantizing them too but rather emphasizing the need to talk to voters about issues impact them.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:58:02am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I supported Bernie all the way through CA and then joined Hillary’s campaign and worked for her for 6 months, every single day for 16-20 hours a day, until election day.

All I ask: Don’t lump us all in together as the problem.

(Soapbox removed)

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:59:17am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He’s a naval vet too. I really hope this isn’t the last we’ve seen of him. We need fresh faces and he’s one of them. I appreciate that he can talk about the working class without saying we need to make promises we can’t keep or infantizing them too but rather emphasizing the need to talk to voters about issues impact them.

He’s speaking now, and he’s saying “This is the season for HAPPY WARRIORS!”

Yay.

We will definitely be seeing a lot of him in the future.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:59:29am

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

The debt most certainly did not go down. The deficit may have, but for the debt to go down the US would have to be operating at a surplus, which we most definitely are not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:59:32am

Standing ovation for Pete

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:00:00am

Mayor Pete just withdrew his name.

And another little dream dies…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:00:24am

re: #254 Major Tom

I supported Bernie all the way through CA and then joined Hillary’s campaign and worked for her for 6 months, every single day for 16-20 hours a day, until election day.

All I ask: Don’t lump us all in together as the problem.

(Soapbox removed)

You’re definitely not who I talk about here trust me. I’m talking about those who are using the DNC chair race to re-start the squabbles of last year. I actually did some petittion gathering with a guy who was part of the Sanders campaign here in VA. I’m talking just about the Busters who still hold a grudge and some of them who even voted for Stein or have no problem with those who did.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:01:06am

re: #255 BeachDem

He’s speaking now, and he’s saying “This is the season for HAPPY WARRIORS!”

Yay.

We will definitely be seeing a lot of him in the future.

I hope so. I really appreciate ObserverArt telling me about him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:01:41am

re: #258 BeachDem

Mayor Pete just withdrew his name.

And another little dream dies…

Aww damn that’s a shame but he was a long shot.

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CarolJ  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:03:57am

re: #254 Major Tom
I don’t think that dedicated Dems like you are the problem. But like Trump, I think he’s gotten a cult of personality around him who refuse to see their person as human. Those folks are bitter about the primary loss, too bitter for their own (and the party’s good).

If Hillary would have won the primary in 2008 I would have supported her. And Obama in whatever ventures he had after that. But Obama would have tamped down such talk-which is something Bernie hasn’t quite done so forcefully.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:04:51am

Oooh…symbolic in so many ways:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:05:48am

re: #262 CarolJ

I don’t think that dedicated Dems like you are the problem. But like Trump, I think he’s gotten a cult of personality around him who refuse to see their person as human. Those folks are bitter about the primary loss, too bitter for their own (and the party’s good).

If Hillary would have won the primary in 2008 I would have supported her. And Obama in whatever ventures he had after that. But Obama would have tamped down such talk-which is something Bernie hasn’t quite done so forcefully.

Exactly, I just want Sanders supporers to acknowledge that Bernie had flaws too and to stop using polls that were done before any RNC opps research would have aired. Not ot mention, it’s pretty damn undemocratic to use polls as rationale for why someone should get the nomination. I just want Sanders to get the same scrunity many of them give Clinton and many of them simply do not want to that because they think Sanders is a political saint when he’s honestly not.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:06:53am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

I guess I also feel their numbers are inflated. On the campaign, I had more problems with Stein Supporters.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:07:09am

re: #258 BeachDem

Mayor Pete just withdrew his name.

And another little dream dies…

What? Why?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:08:05am

If you honestly supported Sanders then supported Clinton. We’re good just as I was with diehard Clinton supporters who did the same for Obama. You win some, you lose some in this game and that’s a lesson that was unfortunately loss on some this spring. I’m supporting the underdog candidate here in VA for governor. He’s a longshot. But I promise if Northam is the nominee, I’m going to help out his campaign too.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:08:31am

re: #263 Interesting Times

Oooh…symbolic in so many ways:

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Sometimes it’s good to live in a funny-shaped county. And we have big ones here.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:09:00am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I supported Clinton in 2008 in FL.

So I know how to pick em.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:09:15am

re: #265 Major Tom

I guess I also feel their numbers are inflated. On the campaign, I had more problems with Stein Supporters.

Yeah I think their bark is probably louder than their bite. I will give Sanders credit. I definitely do think his heart’s in the right place. I just think he should actually join the Democratic Party if he wants to discuss where the party itself goes from here.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:09:17am

re: #266 ObserverArt

What? Why?

In his speech, he said he knew he wasn’t going to win—then right after he finished, they said he had withdrawn his name. I’m guessing he has a preference between Ellison and Perez and wanted his supporters to go with his choice.

He is great though—and whatever he runs for in the future, I’ll support him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:10:24am

re: #269 Major Tom

I supported Clinton in 2008 in FL.

So I know how to pick em.

I honestly couldn’t stand Clinton and how she ran her campaign in 2008. Did not like Mark Penn and the cadre of loyalists she had running that campaign but her campaign this time felt genuinely more inclusive. I think she learned positive lessons from that defeat and serving with Obama.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:11:05am
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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:11:17am

Good afternoon, on this stupidly warm day.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:11:38am

re: #271 BeachDem

In his speech, he said he knew he wasn’t going to win—then right after he finished, they said he had withdrawn his name. I’m guessing he has a preference between Ellison and Perez and wanted his supporters to go with his choice.

He is great though—and whatever he runs for in the future, I’ll support him.

Thanks for the info. I was pulling for Pete!

Oh well, I just hope whoever wins they can get the Bernie supporters to get their shit together.

And then there is Nina Turner and her loud mouth…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:12:12am

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:12:19am

re: #269 Major Tom

I supported Clinton in 2008 in FL.

So I know how to pick em.

Under wraps because embarrassed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:07am

re: #266 ObserverArt

What? Why?

politico.com

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:16am

re: #274 Varek Raith

Good afternoon, on this stupidly warm day.

Stupidly warm? It was 16 degrees this morning when I got up to get Mrs. Fish her Saturday morning coffee. I think you triggered a global-scale heat pump just to suck up all our warm, didn’t you?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:17am

re: #277 BeachDem

Under wraps because embarrassed.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:45am

re: #274 Varek Raith

Good afternoon, on this stupidly warm day.

78° in Columbus yesterday for a high.

Today…windy 37° with a wind chill making it feel like 26° and brief blowing snow showers.

Oh joy!

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:46am

re: #275 ObserverArt

Thanks for the info. I was pulling for Pete!

Oh well, I just hope whoever wins they can get the Bernie supporters to get their shit together.

And then there is Nina Turner and her loud mouth…

Notice nobody asked Nina to give a nominating speech.
Can’t. stand. her.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:53am

re: #254 Major Tom

I supported Bernie all the way through CA and then joined Hillary’s campaign and worked for her for 6 months, every single day for 16-20 hours a day, until election day.

All I ask: Don’t lump us all in together as the problem.

(Soapbox removed)

I have to remind myself to not do that sometimes. I know there were a lot of former Bernie supporters out there helping. I volunteered on the Clinton campaign a lot last year and one of the fellows still had a Bernie sticker on his car but worked his ass off despite being a full-time student at the local university.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:13:57am

re: #274 Varek Raith

Good afternoon, on this stupidly warm day.

The warm weather is terrible for the environment but I did enjoy walking around Leesburg like it was the middle of April yesterday.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:14:38am

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Stupidly warm? It was 16 degrees this morning when I got up to get Mrs. Fish her Saturday morning coffee. I think you triggered a global-scale heat pump just to suck up all our warm, didn’t you?

I blame the weather guy.
He said the DC area has nearly half of the entire winter +5 above average with only a few days below average.
Clearly shit is broke.
;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:14:59am

re: #281 ObserverArt

78° in Columbus yesterday for a high.

Today…windy 37° with a wind chill making it feel like 26° and brief blowing snow showers.

Oh joy!

78 in Cincinnati yesterday, snowing there right now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:15:36am

re: #283 Timothy Watson

I have to remind myself to not do that sometimes. I know there were a lot of former Bernie supporters out there helping. I volunteered on the Clinton campaign a lot last year and one of the fellows still had a Bernie sticker on his car but worked his ass off despite being a full-time student at the local university.

Yeah I need to work on that too. I really should say the Bros or Busters so it’s clear I’m not talking about everyone who supported Sanders. If you honestly preferred Sanders over Clinton and then supported Clinton with a lot of the same energy, I have no gripe at all with you. However, if you supported Sanders and started using bullshit lies to falsely equate or even as Susan Sarandon did to say that Clinton was worse than Trump, then kindly fuck off.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:16:21am

re: #285 Varek Raith

I blame the weather guy.
He said the DC area has nearly half of the entire winter +5 above average with only a few days below average.
Clearly shit is broke.
;)

Your weather guy is going to get fired by Drumpf. Global warming is not a thing.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:16:44am

re: #277 BeachDem

Under wraps because embarrassed.

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I voted McCain in the primary then in the General. For the primary, it was a choice between McCain and Huckabee who I loathed even back then.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:16:55am

re: #283 Timothy Watson

Half my paid staff were Bernie people…

Speaking of which the CPAC panel discussion I’m listening to has been patting themselves on the back for the win, discussing “where were you when” stories about their victory, and mocking mercilessly Sanders and Clinton.

Very productive.

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CarolJ  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:17:02am

Also, I wondered how Bernie would have handled something he had no experience with-a fast temp, high speed campaign with real opposition. Bernie was cranky on his best days, and had never really had experience with the full force of Republican slime campaigning. His embrace of some pretty far left leaders would have left him vulnerable to something more devastating than emails-the charge of “Commie”. Not everybody has gotten over the Cold War and I think it would have left a lot of conservative Dems to stay home.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:17:44am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:18:49am

re: #290 Major Tom

Half my paid staff were Bernie people…

Speaking of which the CPAC panel discussion I’m listening to has been patting themselves on the back for the win, discussing “where were you when” stories about their victory, and mocking mercilessly Sanders and Clinton.

Very productive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:19:04am

MrBWS stopped at the local grocery store this morning to get some more of those maple french toast bagels.
At the checkout line, a little old lady had something she needed to return because when she got home and opened it, it was “gone over”.
MrBWS said “I blame the Russians.”
Little Old Lady said “I blame Trump.”
Everyone in line agreed.

This is a diehard GOP county that went overwhelmingly for the yam, both in the primary and in November.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:19:12am

re: #289 Timothy Watson

I voted McCain in the primary then in the General. For the primary, it was a choice between McCain and Huckabee who I loathed even back then.

Guilty confession, I actually thought Huckabee seemed “okay” in 2008. A lot of conservatives I knew loathed him though. These same people insisted that Fred Thompson was the guy aka the true conservative supreme. Because I commuted to community college on bus in those days, I really didn’t get my choice of morning entertainment on the radio so on the days when I didn’t have my iPod, I had to listen to Rush and Rush was so confident that Thompson would win. Well Thompson ended up being a flop. No surprise at all there. Even though Thompson acted, the guy was far from charismatic and he was boring as fuck.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:19:31am

This lawyer guy, Pekarski, is really a terrible speaker.

And seems to be giving the longest speech of any of them.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:20:13am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Whoa Whoa Whoa TMI

j/k

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:20:15am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Fishfolk are big fans of the Huck.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:20:38am

re: #292 BeachDem

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:20:53am

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

The debt most certainly did not go down. The deficit may have, but for the debt to go down the US would have to be operating at a surplus, which we most definitely are not.

Annual deficit versus national debt.

One is what happens when annual receipts (revenues) falls shorts of what the government spends. The other is cumulative from year to year.

The overwhelming majority of the recent debt (cumulative) is the result of tax cuts made permanent coupled with the spending for wars and stimulus, compounded annually. An improving economy has resulted in narrowing of the annual deficit.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:21:04am

re: #293 Timothy Watson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:21:32am

time for the vote

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:21:50am

re: #298 thedopefishlives

Fishfolk are big fans of the Huck.

I imagine Huck’s popularity is more so with the religious right. Most of these conservatives I knew ere more economic conservatives first then social conservatives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:22:11am

Donna wants to go with paper ballots instead of the clicker system.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:22:29am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donna wants to go with paper ballots instead of the clicker system.

HANGING CHADS!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:22:35am

re: #297 Major Tom

Whoa Whoa Whoa TMI

j/k

I swear,t it’s the only time I’ve listened to Rush. I immediately forgot most of his crap though since I had a class on the American Revolution that I would be going to.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:23:13am
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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:23:14am

re: #298 thedopefishlives

Fishfolk are big fans of the Huck.

I knew you were up against it…but Huck??? You have your work cut out for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:23:55am

In not so many words, Donna does not trust that the clicker system would not be compromised.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:24:20am

re: #308 ObserverArt

I knew you were up against it…but Huck??? You have your work cut out for you.

Well, and when it came to the Republican primary for this election, my dad says two words that completely changed my life.

“Marco Rubio.”

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:25:25am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Guilty confession, I actually thought Huckabee seemed “okay” in 2008. A lot of conservatives I knew loathed him though. These same people insisted that Fred Thompson was the guy aka the true conservative supreme. Because I commuted to community college on bus in those days, I really didn’t get my choice of morning entertainment on the radio so on the days when I didn’t have my iPod, I had to listen to Rush and Rush was so confident that Thompson would win. Well Thompson ended up being a flop. No surprise at all there. Even though Thompson acted, the guy was far from charismatic and he was boring as fuck.

Okay, more embarrassing: I thought Thompson would be a good candidate before he actually got in the race.

My wisdom attributes were pretty low when I was younger…

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:25:37am

re: #307 Stanley Sea

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Scarier yet, the bullshit originated with SMOTI’s twin brother, Joe.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:26:30am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Okay, more embarrassing: I thought Thompson would be a good candidate before he actually got in the race.

My wisdom attributes were pretty low when I was younger…

When I was in college, I actually thought Fred Thompson was reasonable for a conservative candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:26:31am

re: #310 thedopefishlives

Well, and when it came to the Republican primary for this election, my dad says two words that completely changed my life.

“Marco Rubio.”

Rubio is someone I honestly do not see the appeal. The best description of him was “He’s an older person’s idea what a young person should be.” I admit, I’ve thought Rubio sleazy ever since he used the fact that Crist wasn’t a total dickbag to Obama during the Stimulus to win that primary and I disliked him even more because our resident GOP cheerleader loved him but also because Rubio is a bad senator, he’s lazy and it was clear to anyone watching that he just saw that seat as a gateway to the Presidency.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:27:08am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Okay, more embarrassing: I thought Thompson would be a good candidate before he actually got in the race.

My wisdom attributes were pretty low when I was younger…

I liked him as Arthur Branch on L&O but I was much more of an Adam Schiff fan. RIP Steven Hill.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:27:29am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

I was scared of Fred Thompson becoming the next Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:28:13am

re: #316 Major Tom

I was scared of Fred Thompson as the next Reagan.

I never saw that. The conservatives I knew hyped him as much and then I saw some of his stuff and then I woke up and 5 hours had passed.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:28:30am

I see the purity police are in force on DKOS over Perez/Ellison.

Protip - Both would make fine heads of the DNC.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:28:35am

re: #316 Major Tom

The Russians don’t take a dump without a plan son…

Yup. Putin had a plan. And Trump’s dumping it on the rest of us.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:28:51am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:29:17am

That’s a joke by the way but my point is that Thompson legitimately bored me. Granted I wasn’t his target audience but with someone like Reagan I could see why they liked him, charismatic and able to make jokes about himself i.e. the famous Mondale age one but Thompson just seemed boring to me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:29:35am

re: #318 Varek Raith

I see the purity police are in force on DKOS over Perez/Ellison.

Protip - Both would make fine heads of the DNC.

Yep same thing in my FB timeline. I hate that so fucking much.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:30:02am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I was young.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:30:33am

re: #323 Major Tom

I was young.

We all had our young and stupid moments. Most of us grew up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:30:34am

re: #323 Major Tom

I was young.

I hear ya. 2008 was the first presidential election I ever voted in.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:30:39am

re: #323 Major Tom

I was young.

Off the Thought Reassignment Center with you!

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:31:22am

re: #325 HappyWarrior
2000 was mine.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:31:32am

Well you guys have your conservative guilty confessions, I have my guilty lefty confessions. When I was a junior in high school, I supported Dennis Kucinich for president.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:31:52am

re: #301 Major Tom

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:32:04am

re: #327 Major Tom

2000 was mine.

That was the first one I really heavily followed since I had 8th grade Civics that year and we had to do a big project on the election.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:32:45am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Well you guys have your conservative guilty confessions, I have my guilty lefty confessions. When I was a junior in high school, I supported Dennis Kucinich for president.

Good god man!
:P

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:32:59am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Well you guys have your conservative guilty confessions, I have my guilty lefty confessions. When I was a junior in high school, I supported Dennis Kucinich for president.

GET OUT.

///

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:33:31am

re: #318 Varek Raith

I see the purity police are in force on DKOS over Perez/Ellison.

Protip - Both would make fine heads of the DNC.

The kos BoBs are still fighting the primary. They are so tedious.

And I’m tired of them calling anyone who doesn’t march to their particular drummer a NEOLIB, 3RD WAY, REGRESSIVE.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:33:33am

re: #329 Timothy Watson

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:34:27am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

That was the first one I really heavily followed since I had 8th grade Civics that year and we had to do a big project on the election.

I remember the electoral night coverage and the media screwing up the announcement of the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore.

(I grew up in a conservative household so I was routing for Bush.)

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:34:31am

I supported Howard Dean and claimed I’d never follow politics again after what Fox did to him.

I know. Just… Sigh.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:35:33am

re: #323 Major Tom

I was young.

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. 2008 was the first presidential election I ever voted in.

re: #327 Major Tom

2000 was mine.

Speaking as an official “old,” glad all you kids came around.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:36:48am

re: #333 BeachDem

The kos BoBs are still fighting the primary. They are so tedious.

And I’m tired of them calling anyone who doesn’t march to their particular drummer a NEOLIB, 3RD WAY, REGRESSIVE.

YOUR WAY LOST! TIME FOR US TO TAKE CHARGE!
Uh…you guys ain’t won shit either. In fact you…
NEOLIBRUL!
-_-

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:37:11am

re: #335 Timothy Watson

I remember the electoral night coverage and the media screwing up the announcement of the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore.

(I grew up in a conservative household so I was routing for Bush.)

I remember election night and going to bed thinking we would know in the morning who the President was, after all the missed calls. I woke up, went to the Internet, and was shocked as all hell to find out.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:38:08am

re: #338 Varek Raith

YOUR WAY LOST! TIME FOR US TO TAKE CHARGE!
Uh…you guys ain’t won shit either. In fact you…
NEOLIBRUL!
-_-

And boy, do they ever throw serious shade on Obama. Some of it is worse than on rightwing sites.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:39:04am

re: #334 Major Tom

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:39:55am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

I remember election night and going to bed thinking we would know in the morning who the President was, after all the missed calls. I woke up, went to the Internet, and was shocked as all hell to find out.

I was in Barbados for a wedding during the 2000 election, and the Bajans were just incredulous (and scared as shit) about Bush winning.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:40:09am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

I remember election night and going to bed thinking we would know in the morning who the President was, after all the missed calls. I woke up, went to the Internet, and was shocked as all hell to find out.

Yep, I remember asking my dad when I woke up, “They ever figure out who’s going to be President?”

“Not yet,” was the response.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:40:19am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing. The Democratic Party in the past 8 years has spoken of inclusion for transgendered Americans, non-believing Americans, and many other groups who were never spoken for in what the party’s far left consider the party’s “true progressive era.” I consider myself a FDR fan but there are many things that FDR did not do because of playing it safe politically and honestly his own prejudices that the so called “corporate” Democrats do today. If they want to know why in part left wing economics don’t sell, it’s in part because of that WWC, they infantize so much, that group that was okay with things like government health care and other government programs when they thought only white people were benefitting from them. The other thing is left economics are harder to sell in part because of the system we’ve created. We have fewer and fewer people alive today who remember life pre-New Deal.

This is why I have been getting pissed off at Bill Maher and his transphobia schtick. I am not a boutique issue. I am a person who deserves social equality like anybody else.

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:43:29am

re: #341 Timothy Watson

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:47:36am

re: #340 BeachDem

And boy, do they ever throw serious shade on Obama. Some of it is worse than on rightwing sites.

Are they echoing these sorts of sentiments?

I must admit I worry they’re right. Obama’s “bipartisan” efforts only served to embolden GOP malice (*cough* Comey *cough*), and he grossly overestimated the ability of voters to figure things out for themselves :/

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stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:47:37am

I Cannot posted this in the last thread.

To Anti-SJWs Finally Turning on Trump

but I thought I’d post it again along with this story about the girl who sang at Trump’s inaguration. She has a transgender sister, and now they’re both mad that Trump double crossed them. Morons.

Trump’s inauguration singer is upset with him for attacking her trans sister’s rights

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:48:35am

re: #345 Major Tom

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:49:22am

re: #348 BeachDem

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:50:05am

Morning, Lizards.

On the Wikipedia discussion further upthread, there is no way a citation to Wikipedia would have been allowed in my dissertation. At all. Granted, the bulk of my dissertation was the five papers I wrote over the course of my graduate degree and you sure as hell don’t submit a citation like Wikipedia to a peer-reviewed journal. But.

Honestly, by the time you’re doing your dissertation the level of specialization should be such that Wikipedia isn’t going to help you much anyway, even for low level definitions (which, frankly, you should probably spell out anyway because being clear on your terms and how you’re using them is always wise). Maybe it’s different in the humanities, I don’t know. (Again, my experience is all on the science front.)

Besides, by the time I finished my dissertation, I was one of the experts on the topic and could have, if desired, edited the Wikipedia page myself. (Also, it’s not a fucking static thing so please tell me he included the date accessed in the citation. Revision number might be even better, aside from the whole IT SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN CITED IN THE FIRST PLACE bit.)

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:52:06am

re: #349 Major Tom

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stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:53:31am

re: #346 Interesting Times

Are you saying that you can buy into the argument that it’s Obama’s fault that conservatives went crazy and were willing to believe any stupid lie that came along?

Is that a sarc tag at the end or an emoji?

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:54:47am

re: #351 BeachDem

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Major Tom  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:56:14am

re: #351 BeachDem

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:56:58am
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:57:15am

re: #354 Major Tom

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:58:07am

Greater Cincinnati news has eyes on the really important news of the day…and I ain’t being snarky….

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:58:27am

re: #347 stpaulbear

I Cannot posted this in the last thread.

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but I thought I’d post it again along with this story about the girl who sang at Trump’s inaguration. She has a transgender sister, and now they’re both mad that Trump double crossed them. Morons.

Trump’s inauguration singer is upset with him for attacking her trans sister’s rights

Hehehe;

Awwscrewit2 hours ago
“I never thought leopards would eat MY face” says woman who voted for Leopards Eating Your Face Party.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:59:53am

re: #352 stpaulbear

Are you saying that you can buy into the argument that it’s Obama’s fault that conservatives went crazy and were willing to believe any stupid lie that came along?

It’s far more complex than that. He was never going to reach the willing fox-news brain-slug victims, but through his futile and quixotic quest to “work with” a psychopathic GOP congress, he left other voters disillusioned (like someone else I know, who said things like “Why didn’t he fight harder for Merrick Garland?”)

In many ways, it’s the same kind of crap that sank John Kerry - the “he didn’t fight hard enough against GOP attacks, therefore the Democratic party is useless and we might as well not vote” mentality.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:00:00am

re: #346 Interesting Times

The president can’t control people. And the first black president can’t make people not racist. We ignore that some people would gouge out their own eye if it meant they didn’t have to see that a black person was president. It wasn’t him.

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TedStriker  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:00:29am

re: #347 stpaulbear

Shives was spot on with that rant.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:01:21am

Ohh, thunder.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:02:25am

re: #359 Interesting Times

It’s far more complex than that. He was never going to reach the willing fox-news brain-slug victims, but through his futile and quixotic quest to “work with” a psychopathic GOP congress, he left other voters disillusioned (like someone else I know, who said things like “Why didn’t he fight harder for Merrick Garland?”)

In many ways, it’s the same kind of crap that sank John Kerry - the “he didn’t fight hard enough against GOP attacks, therefore the Democratic party is useless and we might as well not vote” mentality.

We can play all kinds of what ifs. But to some extent, if you know someone who was disillusioned and therefore didn’t vote, even in the face of Trump, I would posit the problem was not with Obama.

Nobody gets everything they want in politics. Democratic voters in particular seem to need to understand that lesson and fast, and stop riding their damned purity ponies into defeating themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:02:39am

re: #344 Scottish Dragon

This is why I have been getting pissed off at Bill Maher and his transphobia schtick. I am not a boutique issue. I am a person who deserves social equality like anybody else.

Exactly.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:04:22am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Greater Cincinnati news has eyes on the really important news of the day…and I ain’t being snarky….

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If it wasn’t for the cute girls involved, I would think shipments like these would require armed guards.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:06:16am

re: #365 Belafon

If it wasn’t for the cute girls involved, I would think shipments like these would require armed guards.

So……The heist is off?
:(

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:06:23am

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We can play all kinds of what ifs. But to some extent, if you know someone who was disillusioned and therefore didn’t vote, even in the face of Trump, I would posit the problem was not with Obama.

Nobody gets everything they want in politics. Democratic voters in particular seem to need to understand that lesson and fast, and stop riding their damned purity ponies into defeating themselves.

Exactly. I think part of the problem is too many Democratic voters have unfair expectations for their leaders. I really do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:06:42am

And Varek, we’re getting the same thunderstorm as you are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:07:44am

Still no results for DNC right?

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:07:53am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

And Varek, we’re getting the same thunderstorm as you are.

Thanks, Obama!

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:08:51am

re: #370 Varek Raith

Thanks, Obama!

It’s because you thought about stealing Girl Scout cookies.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:09:19am

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Excuse me, that’s purity UNICORNS. Keep your damn ponies.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:10:55am

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We can play all kinds of what ifs. But to some extent, if you know someone who was disillusioned and therefore didn’t vote, even in the face of Trump, I would posit the problem was not with Obama.

To paraphrase one of America’s worst-ever secretaries of defense, you go into an election with the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish you had :(

45% of Americans are so utterly brainwashed they’ll vote for a literal pile of shit if it has an (R) next to its name. So the only options the Dems have are:

a) use their fundraising dollars to mount a massive effort to get voter IDs to disenfranchised groups

b) come up with messaging to motivate the members of their base who are just plain feckless and lazy

c) create a message that appeals to the shallow, gullible, fickle, “undecided” crank voters who make up the margins in the closest swing states.

Trust me, I HATE that it’s come to this and it sucks not only for America but humanity as whole…but one has to start somewhere.

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:11:27am

re: #147 lawhawk

I’m going to put this out there - but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this reeks of confirmation bias:

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If this is true - and that’s a Russia-sized if - then criminal charges should be forthcoming to a multitude of people in and out of government.

But I think this requires proof that is not yet publicly known. This is still the realm of supposition and rumor.

This is a woman I trust less than that RoguePOTUS Twitter account.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:11:54am

So I had to acknowledge today that I can’t do the Star Wars Dark Side Half this year down in FL (I couldn’t find a way to do it for less than $1k and I don’t have that kind of money to spend on a race :( ) and so my Kessel Run medal will have to wait until another year. (DUDE IT IS THE BEST LOOKING MEDAL EVER. GOOGLE IT.)

Which means today I will register for a few other half marathons because that is what responsible adults do. I’m thinking I’m going to do a half up among the redwoods in May, and there’s a local one on March 26 that should be fun.

I need to figure out what kind of spacing I should have between half marathons.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:13:39am

The problem the left of the party doesn’t realize is it took the Depression for people to want New Deal economic policies. You’re just going to have a hard time selling them. You can cry about the party moving to the right on econ all you want but you also have to look at the circumstances that allowed FDR to implement his agenda. And you also have to acknowledge that the Democratic PArty of 2017 is far more inclusive than the one of 2007 let alone 1967.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:15:10am

re: #375 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I need to figure out what kind of spacing I should have between half marathons.

13 miles?

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:15:48am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

The problem the left of the party doesn’t realize is it took the Depression for people to want New Deal economic policies. You’re just going to have a hard time selling them. You can cry about the party moving to the right on econ all you want but you also have to look at the circumstances that allowed FDR to implement his agenda. And you also have to acknowledge that the Democratic PArty of 2017 is far more inclusive than the one of 2007 let alone 1967.

The thing that BoBs failed to understand about the New Deal is that it intentionally excluded large amounts of minorities. It wouldn’t have passed otherwise.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:16:11am

re: #373 Interesting Times

To paraphrase one of America’s worst-ever secretaries of defense, you go into an election with the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish you had :(

45% of Americans are so utterly brainwashed they’ll vote for a literal pile of shit if it has a (R) next to its name. So the only options the Dems have are:

a) use their fundraising dollars to mount a massive effort to get voter IDs to disenfranchised groups

b) come up with messaging to motivate the members of their base who are just plain feckless and lazy

c) create a message that appeals to the shallow, gullible, fickle, “undecided” crank voters who make up the margins in the closest swing states.

Trust me, I HATE that it’s come to this and it sucks not only for America but humanity as whole…but one has to start somewhere.

Well, at least you can acknowledge that the idiots who didn’t vote because “OBAMA DIDN’T GIVE ME THE PONY I ASKED FOR” are idiots, so I guess that’s progress.

Maybe since you’re not on the ground here and aren’t seeing how fired up people are in general, it’s easier to give into despair. There’s a level of civic engagement going on that I have never seen and it’s not in Trump’s favor. I’m not giving up. (Which is, btw, how the “Obama’s ultimate legacy will be letting the US slip away to fascism” bullshit comes across.)

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:16:12am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:16:43am

Today a son of Dominican immigrants may end up as the DNC chairman. And he’s someone who has spent his career helping progressive causes in and outside the government out. But he’s not good enough because of who he supported in the primaries this spring. Pardon my language but fuck that shit.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:17:06am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:17:12am

re: #378 Varek Raith

The thing that BoBs failed to understand about the New Deal is that it intentionally excluded large amounts of minorities. It wouldn’t have passed otherwise.

They don’t understand that and you’re right. That’s the only reason why it was able to pass the crucial Southern bloc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:17:19am

longest fucking five minute recess in fucking history…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:17:33am

re: #377 wrenchwench

13 miles?

Well yeah, but if I do two of them back to back that’s a marathon and I’m not quite ready for that yet. :)

But seriously, look at this course!

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:17:39am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

The problem the left of the party doesn’t realize is it took the Depression for people to want New Deal economic policies. You’re just going to have a hard time selling them. You can cry about the party moving to the right on econ all you want but you also have to look at the circumstances that allowed FDR to implement his agenda. And you also have to acknowledge that the Democratic PArty of 2017 is far more inclusive than the one of 2007 let alone 1967.

Also… FDR had supermajorities in both houses. None of whom were Joe Manchins, or Joe Liebermans, or Max Baucuses.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:18:12am

re: #379 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, at least you can acknowledge that the idiots who didn’t vote because “OBAMA DIDN’T GIVE ME THE PONY I ASKED FOR” are idiots, so I guess that’s progress.

Maybe since you’re not on the ground here and aren’t seeing how fired up people are in general, it’s easier to give into despair. There’s a level of civic engagement going on that I have never seen and it’s not in Trump’s favor. I’m not giving up. (Which is, btw, how the “Obama’s ultimate legacy will be letting the US slip away to fascism” bullshit comes across.)

Yeah, it’s encouraging to see the engagement and the activism, and a lot of my more liberal FB friends who were not so outspoken on politics are stepping up. I just wonder where all this was before the election. Drumpf hasn’t magically changed his stripes just because he cheated his way to victory.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:19:17am

re: #380 Timothy Watson

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Boysko is the delegate for where I grew up. She’s someone who is exactly what I’m talking about when I talk about how local Democrats need to do do their thing to inform the electorate. Boysko was even a volunteer at my high school- not sure if while I was there or not.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:19:24am

re: #387 thedopefishlives

Yeah, it’s encouraging to see the engagement and the activism, and a lot of my more liberal FB friends who were not so outspoken on politics are stepping up. I just wonder where all this was before the election. Drumpf hasn’t magically changed his stripes just because he cheated his way to victory.

A lot of people have realized that they can’t be lazy anymore.*

* I’m going to include myself in that. I sure wasn’t this active before the election.

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Nyet  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:19:44am

re: #344 Scottish Dragon

Maher can go fuck himself.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:20:05am

re: #386 sagehen

Also… FDR had supermajorities in both houses. None of whom were Joe Manchins, or Joe Liebermans, or Max Baucuses.

Yes, that’s another thing that is discounted. FDR had a perfect storm of circumstance for him. Not to mention that the Republican Party brand was crap in the country after the Crash.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:20:07am

re: #389 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A lot of people have realized that they can’t be lazy anymore.*

* I’m going to include myself in that. I sure wasn’t this active before the election.

I’m right there with you. Even though all I’m doing amounts to Facebook activism, I realized that there’s no way I can sit silently. And when it comes to mid-term elections, I will move heaven and earth to be in the booth on voting day.

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DuckDharma  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:21:43am

Yesterday Mensch was saying Putin murdered Andrew Brietbart. Ignore her.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:21:53am

Duck!

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:22:01am

re: #387 thedopefishlives

Yeah, it’s encouraging to see the engagement and the activism, and a lot of my more liberal FB friends who were not so outspoken on politics are stepping up. I just wonder where all this was before the election. Drumpf hasn’t magically changed his stripes just because he cheated his way to victory.

A lot of people just took it for granted that she was going to win; they felt secure sitting it out because they wanted her to have a thin margin.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:22:01am

Oh and LBJ was able to get a lot of what he passed because LBJ probably understood the Senate and House better than anyone who has ever been President. But if you honestly want a more further to the left Democratic Party, that’s fine but work locally to do it first and don’t bitch about it nationally being the way you want if you don’t put in any time locally.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:22:34am

OMG, the timing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:22:50am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Still no results for DNC right?

happening now

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:22:51am

re: #397 wrenchwench

OMG, the timing.

I QUESTION THE TIMING!!!!!

Drink!

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scottslemmons  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:23:15am

Just read a great reminder of how great “The Manchurian Candidate” is and all the ways it’s become relevant all over again…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:24:34am

Sally Brown and Sam Ronan withdrawing

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:24:39am
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:24:48am

First round results in—allowing lower tier candidates to withdraw. Donna kinda fucked up the reading, but it sounded like
Perez—214.5
Ellison—200
Brown—12

Others, less down to zero.

Brown now withdrawing…

Twit Ronan now running his mouth (missed how many votes he got—oh, he got no votes)

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:27:06am

re: #379 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe since you’re not on the ground here and aren’t seeing how fired up people are in general, it’s easier to give into despair. There’s a level of civic engagement going on that I have never seen and it’s not in Trump’s favor.

That’s definitely a good thing, though I’ll feel better if it translates into actual gains (e.g. in the special elections taking place this year).

I’m not giving up. (Which is, btw, how the “Obama’s ultimate legacy will be letting the US slip away to fascism” bullshit comes across.)

Well, to be fair, I think that was Sarah Kendzior speaking more out of frustration than anything else (at a time when things did indeed look irredeemably bleak). She’s also said this, more recently:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:27:19am

This is going to be close but I imagine Perez will get the edge. I’m fine with either of these guys.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:32:50am

re: #400 scottslemmons

Just read a great reminder of how great “The Manchurian Candidate” is and all the ways it’s become relevant all over again…

There’s a current TV show treading similar territory; “Designated Survivor”.
If you haven’t been watching, you can catch up here. (Kiefer Sutherland and Maggie Q are the heroes).

hulu.com
abc.go.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:32:56am

Peckarsky is a special kind of ratfucking asshole.

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Moebym  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:35:21am

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nobody gets everything they want in politics. Democratic voters in particular seem to need to understand that lesson and fast, and stop riding their damned purity ponies into defeating themselves.

Or in life. I suspect the purity ponies are made up of folks who are accustomed to getting everything they want in life and having the people around them share their views.

Let this election be a lesson to them.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:36:05am

Jesus, that thunder was loud as fuck.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:38:42am

Obviously, I was one off in my Perez number—(in my defense, Donna was screwing up the reading.)

Loved that the twit Ronan got no votes, but had to run his mouth and say he accomplished just what he wanted—so I guess he wanted to create as much chaos as possible.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:38:57am

re: #404 Interesting Times

Well, to be fair, I think that was Sarah Kendzior speaking more out of frustration than anything else (at a time when things did indeed look irredeemably bleak). She’s also said this, more recently:

To be fair, I was addressing your comment with your own words made today, not what she said. Maybe you were merely summarizing, but that’s not how it came across.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:42:35am

The most cogent comment in the pie fight thread at kos about the DNC election:

President Trump is preparing his first State Of The Union tweet and the Dems are busy scratching each others eyeballs out over a committee chairmanship.

The darkest hour comes just before the dawn!

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Moebym  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:44:24am

re: #402 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Poor Mayor Pete. I quite like him, but he really didn’t stand a chance, and he probably knew that going in. That said, his profile has risen, and I still think he’s destined for great things.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:46:46am

Anymouse deserves Jane Kleeb’s job:

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Teukka  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:47:31am

Did this get posted? Car attack in Heidelberg, Germany…
CAUTION: Video

*smh*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:48:33am

re: #415 Sherlock Hound

Anymouse deserves Jane Kleeb’s job:

[Embedded content]

Sigh, you don’t see Perez’s supporters saying this about Ellison.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:49:10am

re: #414 Moebym

Poor Mayor Pete. I quite like him, but he really didn’t stand a chance, and he probably knew that going in. That said, his profile has risen, and I still think he’s destined for great things.

I really hope he goes places. He’s impressed everyone I’ve talked to.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:50:28am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Sigh, you don’t see Perez’s supporters saying this about Ellison.

Purity unicorns.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:50:30am

So a leftist can get on twitter and threaten RWNJ and twitter won’t do anything? Does anyone know if any liberal groups are planning to bring weapons to town halls yet?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:50:46am

re: #413 BeachDem

The most cogent comment in the pie fight thread at kos about the DNC election:

That is so correct. The next DNC chair is important no doubt but it really is peanuts to what we should be arguing about. I’d like those who oppose Perez to name one key Trump policy that he’s been in agreement with the administration on.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:51:04am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:51:21am

re: #420 Amory Blaine

So a leftist can get on twitter and threaten RWNJ and twitter won’t do anything? Does anyone know if any liberal groups are planning to bring weapons to town halls yet?

I’ve thought about bringing my mouth if I go to one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:51:40am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

FFS lady. Priorities.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:52:41am

re: #419 thedopefishlives

Purity unicorns.

They really are part of why I got disengaged from politics for a little while. They don’t make me embarrassed to be a liberal but I do wish they’d grow the fuck up.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:53:24am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Yes, that’s another thing that is discounted. FDR had a perfect storm of circumstance for him. Not to mention that the Republican Party brand was crap in the country after the Crash.

The Republican brand could have survived just the crash. What it didn’t survive was three solid years of the Hoover Administration and the Republicans doing diddly-squat about the Great Depression.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:53:51am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

They really are part of why I got disengaged from politics for a little while. They don’t make me embarrassed to be a liberal but I do wish they’d grow the fuck up.

It’s stupid. The most dangerous President in history is sitting with a majority in both houses of Congress, and we’re nitpicking over which of two well-qualified candidates deserves to be the DNC chair? Are you fucking stupid?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:54:24am

re: #415 Sherlock Hound

Anymouse deserves Jane Kleeb’s job:

[Embedded content]

Saw her on CSPAN being interviewed by TYT but there was no audio.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:55:48am

re: #426 EPR-radar

The Republican brand could have survived just the crash. What it didn’t survive was three solid years of the Hoover Administration and the Republicans doing diddly-squat about the Great Depression.

Exactly. If we have another crash and another Republican response as piss poor as the Hoover administration’s response was, then we’ll have another tilt on these issues. We Americans are naturally skeptical of government more so than our European and Canadian neighbors for better or far worse.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:56:29am

re: #416 Teukka

Did this get posted? Car attack in Heidelberg, Germany…

*smh*

Driver shot after car hits three people in German city of Heidelberg
Driver fled, armed with a knife, prior to being surrounded by police. Which apparently is where your video kicks in

431
Nyet  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:56:45am

I don’t understand the people incensed about the DNC. But that’s probably because I personally don’t give a fuck.😁

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:56:55am

re: #427 thedopefishlives

It’s stupid. The most dangerous President in history is sitting with a majority in both houses of Congress, and we’re nitpicking over which of two well-qualified candidates deserves to be the DNC chair? Are you fucking stupid?

Yeah, I dont’ fucking get it either. And I really resent the fuck of them saying the Dems are no better than the Republicans. Really because Democrats are going along with how Trump treats immigrants.

433
HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:57:33am

re: #431 Nyet

I don’t understand the people incensed about the DNC. But that’s probably because I personally don’t give a fuck.😁

What matters is not who wins the DNC chairship today but what they do after they get the job.

434
blueraven  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:58:54am

re: #431 Nyet

I don’t understand the people incensed about the DNC. But that’s probably because I personally don’t give a fuck.😁

Some see it as proxy - Bernie vs Hillary. Stupids…fighting the last war.

435
Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:58:59am

The DNC chair race should be about management skill, not ideology anyway…

436
FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:59:50am
437
HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:00:10pm

re: #435 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The DNC chair race should be about management skill, not ideology anyway…

Exactly. This is the one race where the person’s personal ideology shouldn’t be an issue.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:00:32pm

re: #436 FormerDirtDart

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Gee we never heard from you guys in the RNC race. I wonder ever why. //

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:01:22pm

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

And that right there is why humanity can’t have nice things -_-

Watson also voted for Donald Trump, believing the businessman would bring change. She dismissed his campaign pledges to scrap the Affordable Care Act as bluster.

Today, Watson is upbeat, despite dealing with two failing valves in her heart as well as chronic arthritis and diabetes. She’s taking classes to get a real estate license so she can go back to work and get off government-subsidized insurance.

But Watson is getting irritated by what she hears from the new president. “I’ll give it a little more time,” she said. “But I’m not really sure about Trump anymore.”

See what I mean? This is the type of voter you have no choice but to rely on. It’s hardly an effective campaign tactic to tell her she’s a clueless goddamned moron for thinking the way she did, so Dems have to come up with another way to reach the millions of others like her. I stand by what I said earlier about Obama being way the fuck too nice to the GOP - he praised Paul Ryan at the Dem convention, for god’s sake! - and that’s not an option anymore. These people need it drummed into their heads that the GOP wants to take away their healthcare, and voting Dem is the only way to save it.

440
stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:01:26pm

Betty Cracker at Balloon Juice has a good little post about the DNC chair vote.

Vicious and Bitter Because the Stakes Are So Low

The bottom line for me: I’ll support whomever wins. We have an honest-to-Christ unhinged demagogue to oppose. That’s what matters.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:01:37pm

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Exactly. This is the one race where the person’s personal ideology shouldn’t be an issue.

BUTBUTBUT PURITY UNICORNS!!!!!

I’m going to get a lot of mileage out of these stupid purity ponies/unicorns idiots in the coming days, I feel. For some odd reason, it’s one of two natural reactions when a political party suffers a tough loss - “Oh, well, it’s because we didn’t get our pony, so we’re going to double down until you give us our goddamn pony.”

442
Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:02:28pm

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Watson, a proud, salty woman who was uninsurable a few years ago, isn’t ready to renounce Trump. But she’s increasingly frustrated by his vague promises to replace Obamacare with something better.

Then she’s not ready to face reality, which is that Trump and the GOP don’t give a shit about her or the millions of rubes they fleeced last year. Their health care proposal was leaked this week and people like her will be SOL because they’re aiming to win over the two groups she doesn’t fall into: The “young invincibles” and the elderly rich. The rest of us are stuck taking increasingly larger bites of a shit sandwich.

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Moebym  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:04:44pm

re: #431 Nyet

I don’t understand the people incensed about the DNC. But that’s probably because I personally don’t give a fuck.😁

It’s gone from “Bernie or Bust” to “Ellison or Exit”.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:05:14pm

re: #443 Moebym

It’s gone from “Bernie or Bust” to “Ellison or Exit”.

Berexit?

445
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:05:32pm

re: #435 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The DNC chair race should be about management skill, not ideology anyway…

But Keith Ellison said it has nothing to do with management or administrative skills, it’s “leadership” and winning elections…

446
HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:07:25pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Keith Ellison said it has nothing to do with management or administrative skills, it’s “leadership” and winning elections…

He’s wrong. I like Ellison but he’s wrong.

447
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:08:09pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

He’s wrong. I like Ellison but he’s wrong.

I was actually stunned when he said that earlier today during his nomination speech.

449
Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:09:34pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Keith Ellison said it has nothing to do with management or administrative skills, it’s “leadership” and winning elections…

Winning elections requires management and administrative skills because you gotta get people on the ballot, you got to get people ringing phones and knocking on doors, and you have to make sure that the party’s fund-raising machine is directing funds where they need to go.

We can’t combat one demagogue with another.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:10:35pm

re: #444 thedopefishlives

Berexit?

They call it Demexit. SSDD

451
thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:11:36pm

re: #450 BeachDem

They call it Demexit. SSDD

I call it Dumbexit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:13:34pm

re: #450 BeachDem

They call it Demexit. SSDD

If they do leave, then I don’t want them taking part in who we nominate in 2020. If you’re going to leave the party over this, that’s your right but don’t demand that you be listened to for who we nominate for President either.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:14:32pm

re: #451 thedopefishlives

I call it Dumbexit.

I just wish they’d get on with it-(and by it, I’m talking about deciding who’s going to be DNC chair) I have to run some errands, but hate to leave after sitting through all the crap so far.

And I truly am tired of the threats from the “progressives.”

454
BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:16:01pm

re: #452 HappyWarrior

If they do leave, then I don’t want them taking part in who we nominate in 2020. If you’re going to leave the party over this, that’s your right but don’t demand that you be listened to for who we nominate for President either.

They claim that they ARE the party, so if they leave the party, how can they BE the party? So tired of the noise—and of having my liberal/progressive cred insulted and challenged.

455
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:16:52pm

MrBWS just told me: “damn you, ya got me sucked into this DNC chair thing.”

He likes Jason Kander (who isn’t even running for DNC chair) the best so far, followed closely by Tom Perez and Mayor Pete.

456
HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:22:02pm

re: #454 BeachDem

They claim that they ARE the party, so if they leave the party, how can they BE the party? So tired of the noise—and of having my liberal/progressive cred insulted and challenged.

No kidding especially about liberal/progressive cred being insulted and challenged.

457
HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:22:24pm

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me: “damn you, ya got me sucked into this DNC chair thing.”

He likes Jason Kander (who isn’t eve running for DNC chair) the best so far, followed closely by Tom Perez and Mayor Pete.

I like Kander as well. I hope he considers running again.

458
Nyet  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:24:21pm

re: #439 Interesting Times

Anything that happens to her is on her. No pity.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:35:54pm

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We can play all kinds of what ifs. But to some extent, if you know someone who was disillusioned and therefore didn’t vote, even in the face of Trump, I would posit the problem was not with Obama.

Nobody gets everything they want in politics. Democratic voters in particular seem to need to understand that lesson and fast, and stop riding their damned purity ponies into defeating themselves.

Look at all the conservatives that ran to support Trump even when they knew he was way flawed.

Look at all the liberal/progressives that ran away from Hillary because she was flawed.

In that brief look we see the problems between the two sides of the political spectrum.

We need a little more of that stick-togetherness.

They need a little less.

460
sagehen  Feb 25, 2017 • 12:54:23pm

re: #459 ObserverArt

Look at all the conservatives that ran to support Trump even when they knew he was way flawed.

Look at all the liberal/progressives that ran away from Hillary because she was flawed.

In that brief look we see the problems between the two sides of the political spectrum.

We need a little more of that stick-togetherness.

They need a little less.

“Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.”
(can’t remember who I’m quoting, but I didn’t make it up.)

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2017 • 5:03:51pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Well you guys have your conservative guilty confessions, I have my guilty lefty confessions. When I was a junior in high school, I supported Dennis Kucinich for president.

I voted for Ross Perot


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