Mind-Bending Video: How Small Are We in the Scale of the Universe?

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In 1995, scientists pointed the Hubble Telescope at an area of the sky near the Big Dipper. The location was apparently empty, and the whole endeavour was risky – what, if anything, was going to show up? But what came back was nothing short of spectacular: an image of over 1,500 galaxies glimmering in a tiny sliver of the universe. Alex Hofeldt helps us understand the scale of this image.

CREDITS
Educator Alex Hofeldt
Director Yukai Du
Production Company bliink.tv
Producer Tim Coates
Script Editor Mia Nacamulli
Animator Yukai Du, Tom Matuszewski
Composer Tim Arndt (Near The Parenthesis)

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:19:15pm

Brought up from downstairs.

Today, and until further notice, Ian Grillot is my hero….. Genuine American HERO!!!!

I have worked in IT infrastructure (DC) for the better part of 30yrs. I have the highest regard for my Indian co-workers, some who have become fast lifelong friends.
I’m at a loss for words over this murder of their countrymen only to say that we are not that person and that our country is sick.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:19:51pm
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Kragar  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:20:14pm
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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:22:02pm

Small, really small.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:23:42pm

HA! It is very apt that my comment was a perfect CL. I’m reposting it here.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:28:47pm

re: #3 Kragar

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“We need party unity in order to win! And that unity must come from marching in total lockstep with us! If you can’t do that, you’re a corporate shill!”

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:28:51pm

“…we have a notion of what 6 billion means based off our knowledge of the human population, but in its true nature the number is so immense that we can’t actually grasp the true quantitative significance of that number. Why? Because we haven’t a model of 6 billion that’s been compressed into something recognizable to the human mind. We can’t actually rationalize the immensity of such a number. And that’s an immense number indeed!

Yet, as large as that number seems to be, it’s actually relatively small at the cosmic scale. Take for instance the estimation that there are somewhere within the margin of 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are about 100 billion galaxies in the known universe; each comprised of anywhere between hundreds of millions to hundreds of billions of stars. Lastly, take into mind the estimated 70 sextillion stars in the known universe altogether. The human brain is suddenly powerless in generating comprehensible models at such numerical values. While we can hold in our minds the simple notion of 70 sextillion stars, we cannot actually understand what meaning that number holds. Scientific notation also does nothing to broaden this cognitive limit.

In case you’re not familiar with where sextillion lies on the orders of magnitude of numbers, let me show you the suffixes:

Million: 1,000,000 (10^6)
Billion: 1,000,000,000 (10^9)
Trillion: 1,000,000,000,000 (10^12)
Quadrillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000 (10^15)
Quintillion: 1.000,000,000,000,000,000 (10^18)
Sextillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10^21)
spacecollective.org

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:32:42pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:41:06pm
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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:41:23pm

re: #7 jaunte

To me this sounds like of strange argument. I believe people can learn mathematical concepts. All languages build on the human ability to hold abstractions in thought. 400 billion to me is readily comprehensible, but I studied math and physics so I learned early on all sorts of “numbers” and what they mean.

Conceptually I can lump this argument over numbers with the translation world that I linked earlier:

Harold Augenbraum - “What Translation Means: The Extent and Impact of Translation in America”

All of this human activity relies upon our ability as behaviorally modern humans - we do art, we do abstraction. This allows us to have languages, and translate between them. Mathematics in part is about language.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:42:52pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:46:07pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah, the whole problem with their “freedom” argument is nobody knows what medical care they’re going to need in a given year. Hell, most of us don’t plan dinner out farther than a week. The reality is the GOP thinks that only those can afford to pay for the medical care they actually need when they need it are the ones who should be able to get it. The rest of us? Die quickly.

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stpaulbear  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:49:17pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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I need to plow my car into the back of a school bus, so I plan to buy car insurance so I can do that!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2017 • 9:59:08pm

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:00:51pm

Skiing has been so fun! Nice ‘n’ soft!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:01:48pm

Missed this great news.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:02:16pm
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Nyet  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:11:26pm
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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:18:38pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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I love Charles Gaba. For anyone who didn’t know, in addition to the other stuff he does, he’s the guy who put together the Republican Rape Advisory Chart.

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bratwurst  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:19:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:19:48pm

re: #17 freetoken

2.5 million photos were taken of Hitler by Hoffman.

damn

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:23:25pm

Space is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist, but that’s just peanuts to space.

Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:31:34pm

re: #18 Nyet

We will never run out of stupid and gullible people.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:32:11pm
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Joe Bacon  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:49:01pm

I just looked at Bob Cesca’s Facebook post and I’m heartbroken! I can’t stop crying…

Facebook Post

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2017 • 10:57:38pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon

I just looked at Bob Cesca’s Facebook post and I’m heartbroken!

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Oh No….. This is terrible! I guess more will be known tomorrow. RIP Chez.
Fuck!

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Fineday  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:00:20pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon

I just looked at Bob Cesca’s Facebook post and I’m heartbroken!

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Just no!

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coin operated  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:07:04pm

Taryn posted on Chez’ page. Could not believe it.
Fuck…fuck…FUCK!!!

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MomSense  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:41:11pm

re: #28 coin operated

I’m so shocked and saddened.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:41:20pm

Ben Stein is an asshole, part the infinity.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:47:54pm

re: #30 BeachDem

Ben Stein is an asshole, part the infinity.

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Ben, stick to acting, that’s about the only thing you do well anymore.

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:48:42pm

Oh fuck. Chez is dead?

Oh no…

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:49:46pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:54:28pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2017 • 11:57:02pm

I’m crying right now.

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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:01:38am

Dude. WHAT THE FUCK!!!

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MomSense  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:02:05am

re: #35 teleskiguy

Same. I just can’t believe it.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:05:19am

Shocked. I’m keeping half and eye on Bob’s FB page. There is a steady stream of condolences rolling in.

Ya just never know.

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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:05:41am

Something happened. Chez’s demise was sudden.

I’m still weeping.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:11:19am
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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:16:09am

I’ve listened to Chez’s voice for a little chat twice a week ever since Little Green Footballs started featuring the Bob and Chez show on the front page. I looked forward to hearing Chez be the cynical happy bastard that he brought to the show in varying degrees.

Here’s a tweet. I think Chez would have dug it.

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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:19:11am

How much you want to bet that 2017 is ten times worse than 2016?

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MomSense  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:22:29am

re: #42 teleskiguy

Ever since the election I’ve figured 2017 would make us all wish we could go back to 2016.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:24:28am

Wait. Was Chez ill or something? Or was this some other unfortunate kind of untimely death?

I can’t believe it.

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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:25:15am

re: #44 wheat-dogg

#39

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:28:51am

So, good morning from Europe.

I’m currently watching a friend (and former student) fly from Ho Chi Minh City to Da Nang. Flight HVN 130. She had to go back to Da Nang to get a few things; she was living there for a few years but now she’s moving back to HCMC to be closer to her family after her father suffered a stroke.

What a time to be alive…..able to watch flights on a global basis in realtime.

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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:29:28am
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teleskiguy  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:31:14am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:36:08am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:52:07am

Syrian movie maker can’t come to the Oscars ceremony, because Assad cancelled his passport after the guy had obtained a US visa.

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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:13:34am
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William Lewis  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:26:42am

re: #51 freetoken

Quite the Delius kick this weekend. Who’s next - Vaughan Williams, Holst or perhaps Britten? No matter, fun stuff.

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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:56:46am

re: #52 William Lewis

Goes out to our Jushin Liger fan:

Jushin Liger Theme - Ikari No Jyushin

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 2:21:05am

Trump has found a “police force” ready and eager to do his bidding.

nytimes.com

Is anyone else concerned that there might be “mission creep,” as ICE and CBP are asked to do more than just grab purportedly undocumented aliens?

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 2:50:56am

I’m still shocked about Chez. Don’t know what happened but he’s gone.

I loved his take and style on things.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:31:39am

re: #54 wheat-dogg

Trump has found a “police force” ready and eager to do his bidding.

nytimes.com

Is anyone else concerned that there might be “mission creep,” as ICE and CBP are asked to do more than just grab purportedly undocumented aliens?

Well, there’s “mission creep” in the sense that President Obama’s rules to focus first on dangerous criminals have been scrapped.

However, the job of ICE and CPB is to enforce immigration laws.

That said, that hundred-mile “border zone” that encircles the country coupled with unclear directives from the White House on how to enforce immigration law means ICE and CBP have to interpret the law on their own … and as we’ve seen, they really aren’t that good at that.

Part of this is years of the Republicans using the language of warfare to describe on undocumented migrants, such as “it’s an invasion” and even direct descriptions of needing to respond militarily to the “threat.” (See also Texas sending the National Guard to the border.)

Propaganda is a helluva drug, and conservatives have been propagandised for decades to view such people as an “army,” nevermind GOP politicians spreading falsehoods about a “takeover” of the Southwest to return it to Mexico.

Such agitprop is very effective; we’ve used it before (Japanese- and German-American citizens thrown into camps, the Chinese Exclusion Act, immigration laws designed to keep out Slavs and Africans, &c). Taken to extremes you get things like Rwanda or Nazi Germany.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:43:48am

He’s awake!! It’s “Nasty Tweet Sunday” Ya’ll!!

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:46:38am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

He’s awake!! It’s “Nasty Tweet Sunday” Ya’ll!!

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Yeah, Donald, go collect your $80,000 from the Kuwaiti government and we’ll talk about rigged.

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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:46:43am

Know-nothing-ism at work in America:

Author’s alternative theory of climate change spurs discussion

Environmental researcher Steve Goreham had no one to debate on the stage Friday night, but several audience members challenged his claims that climate change is natural, not man made.

Goreham, author of “Mad, Mad, Mad World of Climatism,” spoke Friday night at the Gail Borden Public Library in Elgin, invited at the request of School District U-46 board member Jeanette Ward for a discussion on alternative theories on climate change.

[…]

Dude’s just another denier doing the Gish-gallop. That a school district board member invited this talk (not, fortunately, as part of a school curriculum) is just sad.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:48:46am

It’s a quarter to five AM: That means it’s time for my wife to make a pie. (At least according to her.)

She is concerned about hardware incompatibility: She is using a dedicated cherry pie pan to make an apple pie. (The pie pan has a cherry pie recipe printed on the bottom, which seems like a stupid place to put a recipe, but I don’t know how to make pies so maybe it’s just me.)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:52:37am

re: #56 Anymouse

Within that 100 miles, the Bill of Rights is essentially nullified when it comes to anyone passing through our borders now. They are not just stopping people from Trump’s seven nations, but anyone they deem suspicious, or in the case of that domestic flight in NYC, anyone on a plane with someone suspicious. (And that guy wasn’t even on the damned plane! Ace police work there.)

Until someone tells these wannabe protectors of Real America what they can and cannot do, they are just going to take their cues from Trump and President Bannon and hassle anyone who’s not white, not Christian, or not “right.”

It’s not much better outside the 100-mile limit either. ICE is stalking people outside their homes, their kids’ schools, their churches. It’s police state tactics.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:53:07am

re: #59 freetoken

Know-nothing-ism at work in America:

Author’s alternative theory of climate change spurs discussion

Dude’s just another denier doing the Gish-gallop. That a school district board member invited this talk (not, fortunately, as part of a school curriculum) is just sad.

From the Tribune article:

One woman had a different viewpoint, telling Biss that she wanted “a diversity of thought for my kids.”

Another person who doesn’t understand the scientific method, likely inculcated by RWNJ talking points.

I have a tee shirt I wear occasionally to village board meetings (when it’s warm) that has an alternative Periodic Table on it that says “Teach the Controversy.” (It shows only five elements: Earth, Air, Water, Fire, and Aether.)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:54:35am

re: #60 Anymouse

It’s a quarter to five AM: That means it’s time for my wife to make a pie. (At least according to her.)

She is concerned about hardware incompatibility: She is using a dedicated cherry pie pan to make an apple pie. (The pie pan has a cherry pie recipe printed on the bottom, which seems like a stupid place to put a recipe, but I don’t know how to make pies so maybe it’s just me.)

OMG, no! Baking an apple pie in a cherry pie pan will bring about the End of the World, like matter meeting anti-matter, or Trump meeting the truth. Stop her before it’s too la —-

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:55:05am

Bad ‘ol Times!!

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:55:52am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

Within that 100 miles, the Bill of Rights is essentially nullified when it comes to anyone passing through our borders now. They are not just stopping people from Trump’s seven nations, but anyone they deem suspicious, or in the case of that domestic flight in NYC, anyone on a plane with someone suspicious. (And that guy wasn’t even on the damned plane! Ace police work there.)

Until someone tells these wannabe protectors of Real America what they can and cannot do, they are just going to take their cues from Trump and President Bannon and hassle anyone who’s not white, not Christian, or not “right.”

It’s not much better outside the 100-mile limit either. ICE is stalking people outside their homes, their kids’ schools, their churches. It’s police state tactics.

Also, though coincidental, it is primarily in blue states. Red states in the interior are largely immune from this (though not entirely).

I recall an incident a couple years ago about the Ambassador from India flying to speak at a conference in Jackson, Mississippi; she was harassed by TSA despite diplomatic immunity from such things.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:56:27am
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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:57:15am

As I’ve been posting for the past several days, the Okeanos team are off of Samoa doing their thing. One of the more interesting animals from a few days ago:

Armored Searobin: 2017 American Samoa

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Franklin  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:58:35am

Just waking up to the news about Chez. Fuck man. Can’t even comprehend it. I’m just a listener and reader of his work. I can’t even imagine what his family and friends are going through right now. God speed Chez.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 3:59:16am
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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:00:43am

If you have nothing else to do, you can watch live kittens:

Kitten Academy Live Stream

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:08:08am

re: #70 freetoken

If you have nothing else to do, you can watch live kittens:

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Or you could look at a clip of alt-kittens:

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:10:11am
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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:15:03am

Well, I was going to go to Scottsbluff tomorrow, but I think I will avoid it instead:
Grassroots Pro-Trump Rally to Be Held in Scottsbluff Monday (Goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald, more at the link)

Donald Trump’s victory in November came as a surprise to some, but not for his supporters across the heartland.

Now those who carried the president to office aim to show the nation that Trump and his agenda still have their enthusiastic support.

Main Street Patriots, created by Tea Party co-founder Debbie Dooley, has called for grassroots Trump supporters to host their own Spirit of America rallies in towns and cities across the U.S. on Feb. 27 and March 4. The location of the Scottsbluff rally will be at the northeast corner of the intersection of Avenue I and 27th Street, across from Kentucky Fried Chicken from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.

“These rallies are inclusive, non-partisan, and open to anyone supporting President Trump in his efforts to bring back manufacturing jobs to America, put the security of our nation ahead of political correctness, improve our infrastructure, revitalize the inner cities and secure our nation’s borders,” Dooley said in a statement.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:16:34am

re: #72 Anymouse

Who the hell wears a cowboy hat with a bowtie? And Clarke must use Trump’s tailor, because that jacket don’t fit right.

Meanwhile, who does the sheriffing in Milwaukee?

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LastYearsMan  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:17:54am
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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:21:10am

re: #74 wheat-dogg

Who the hell wears a cowboy hat with a bowtie? And Clarke must use Trump’s tailor, because that jacket don’t fit right.

Meanwhile, who does the sheriffing in Milwaukee?

I imagine Milwaukee County is glad he’s gone.

As for the bowtie - a cowboy hat with that looks ridiculous. No self-respecting cowboy here would be caught dead in a bowtie. String tie, maybe. Bowtie, they’d rather eat a cow chip before putting on a bowtie with a cowboy hat: That combination is out-of-uniform for a cowboy.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:23:42am

re: #75 LastYearsMan

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:24:30am

re: #9 Stanley Sea

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Tempted but it looks like a horror movie and I don’t like that genre. Scaredy cat.

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freetoken  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:24:35am

re: #77 Anymouse

And a famous Aussie children’s book writer.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:26:10am
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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:30:07am
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ericblair  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:34:31am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

Until someone tells these wannabe protectors of Real America what they can and cannot do, they are just going to take their cues from Trump and President Bannon and hassle anyone who’s not white, not Christian, or not “right.”

It’s not much better outside the 100-mile limit either. ICE is stalking people outside their homes, their kids’ schools, their churches. It’s police state tactics.

So, can one of you lawyer type guys/gals clarify whether state police can arrest a federal officer for violating state law (and, I assume, exceeding their Federal mandate)? Or does the state have to deal with the DoJ, or sue the Feds or what? I imagine we’re going to get to this sooner rather than later.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:41:41am

re: #82 ericblair

So, can one of you lawyer type guys clarify whether state police can arrest a federal officer for violating state law (and, I assume, exceeding their Federal mandate)? Or does the state have to deal with the DoJ, or sue the Feds or what? I imagine we’re going to get to this sooner rather than later.

In short, no. That would be Federal nullification (we fought a civil war over that).

Republican legislatures are trying to pass nullification laws (especially in regards to guns).

Sovereign citizen wingnuts think that county sheriffs have that right (see their attacks on the Bureau of Land Management).

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John Carter  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:55:18am

re: #74 wheat-dogg

re: #76 Anymouse

I imagine Milwaukee County is glad he’s gone.
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As for the bowtie - a cowboy hat with that looks ridiculous. No self-respecting cowboy here would be caught dead in a bowtie. String tie, maybe. Bowtie, they’d rather eat a cow chip before putting on a bowtie with a cowboy hat: That combination is out-of-uniform for a cowboy.

You guys beat me to this comment but what is he going for here? If you have something important to say you shouldn’t have to hide behind your cowboy hat like this guy does or the 15 stars he wears on his uniform like a tinpot dictator. He really is a guy pretending to be important.

Throw in the bow tie because I guess he thinks it makes him look civilized in front of the white folks.

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ipsos  Feb 26, 2017 • 4:58:15am

Waking up to the sad news about Chez. My condolences to all who knew and loved him.

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John Carter  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:00:06am

re: #81 Anymouse

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In this couch potato’s case death may involve any exertion involving stairs like his leader.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:03:11am

re: #84 John Carter

You guys beat me to this comment but what is he going for here? If you have something important to say you shouldn’t have to hide behind your cowboy hat like this guy does or the 15 stars he wears on his uniform like a tinpot dictator. He really is a guy pretending to be important.

Throw in the bow tie because I guess he thinks it makes him look civilized in front of the white folks.

Well, aside from the obvious (wingnut welfare), and pandering to the Trump Administration (useful idiot), my guess is he has an ego the size of that cowboy hat.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:05:11am

re: #86 John Carter

In this couch potato’s case death may involve any exertion involving stairs like his leader.

I am not ashamed to say I had similar thoughts. Red shirt guy looks far from battle-ready.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:07:36am

re: #88 wheat-dogg

I am not ashamed to say I had similar thoughts. Red shirt guy looks far from battle-ready.

Not that I’m interested in a fight with anyone, but I betcha I could take him (and I only weigh #115)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:08:59am

re: #89 Anymouse

Not that I’m interested in a fight with anyone, but I betcha I could take him (and I only weigh #115)

The key would be to wear him out. Dodge and weave.

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ericblair  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:11:16am

re: #83 Anymouse

In short, no. That would be Federal nullification (we fought a civil war over that).

Republican legislatures are trying to pass nullification laws (especially in regards to guns).

Sovereign citizen wingnuts think that county sheriffs have that right (see their attacks on the Bureau of Land Management).

Thanks, Anonymouse. I’m not really thinking of a Federal officer properly following Federal law, but a Fed who’s obviously gone off the reservation and is exceeding his mandate. That is, CBP rounding up US citizens they had no reasonable rationale to suspect were violating immigration laws, making it kidnapping. Obviously this gets very hazy and very dangerous very quickly.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:11:18am

Last night’s oncoming headache is now a full-blown migraine headache.

I’m going to go take my drugs and hide in bed in the dark. Catch y’all later … don’t let the country blow up while I’m gone.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:12:40am

re: #91 ericblair

Thanks, Anonymouse. I’m not really thinking of a Federal officer properly following Federal law, but a Fed who’s obviously gone off the reservation and is exceeding his mandate. That is, CBP rounding up US citizens they had no reasonable rationale to suspect were violating immigration laws, making it kidnapping. Obviously this gets very hazy and very dangerous very quickly.

If said officer is violating state laws and exceeding or ignoring his Federal mandate, then presumably he could be arrested.

An example might be an FBI agent stealing a car and claiming it was for an investigation.

I really wouldn’t want to be a state cop or a county sheriff trying to face down a Federal officer though.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:15:26am

re: #25 Joe Bacon

I just looked at Bob Cesca’s Facebook post and I’m heartbroken! I can’t stop crying…

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I’m so sorry to hear this. I have been listening to their podcosts for awhile now and really love their humorous and outrageous banter. This is such awful news. May he rest in peace.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:19:15am

New hashtag trending #stufftrumpisafraidof I liked this one, even if Bernie drives me up a wall.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:31:42am

re: #18 Nyet

Not satire.

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Video

In one important respect even Limbaugh and Hannity are not as bad as the House of Superstition that produced this idiocy: Limbaugh and Hannity at least have to pay taxes on their propaganda operations.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:34:30am

Definitive proof that dihydrogen monoxide has been weaponized.

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jeffreyw  Feb 26, 2017 • 5:49:01am

Imgur
Good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:11:55am

re: #60 Anymouse

It’s a quarter to five AM: That means it’s time for my wife to make a pie. (At least according to her.)

She is concerned about hardware incompatibility: She is using a dedicated cherry pie pan to make an apple pie. (The pie pan has a cherry pie recipe printed on the bottom, which seems like a stupid place to put a recipe, but I don’t know how to make pies so maybe it’s just me.)

I have 2 pie pans, a glass Pyrex pie pan and a ceramic pie pan. The ceramic pan is deeper than the Pyrex pan so I use it for fruit pies like Apple, Cherry, Blueberry, Peach. I use the Pyrex pan for filling pies like Key Lime and Lemon Meringue.

I haven’t made a Cherry Pie in a while since I like to use Michigan Montmorency cherries but I haven’t seen them in stores lately. The cherries are delicate so they are processed at harvest time, either frozen (which I prefer) or canned (too much sugar or even worse HFCS!)

I think it’s kind of dumb of print a recipe on the bottom of a pie pan, it reminds me of the saying “couldn’t pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel” but you’re supposed to, I dunno, COPY IT DOWN.

Today is Challah Day. On the last Challah Day I forgot to add sugar to the dough and we ate sugarless challah loaves for 8 weeks. That’s not actually a bad thing (Z is diabetic) but I like it sweet.

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Major Tom  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:11:58am

“Mind-Bending Video: How Small Are We in the Scale of the Universe?”

Answer: About the size of Mickey Rooney.

Yakko’s Universe Song

This is another good one.

Nations of the World - With Lyrics - Animaniacs

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:20:30am

re: #25 Joe Bacon

The Daily Banter announcement is here.

His Wikipedia entry is here.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:22:06am

re: #60 Anymouse

Tested recipes that turn out beautifully every time. cooksillustrated.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:25:10am

re: #102 PhillyPretzel

Tested recipes that turn out beautifully every time. cooksillustrated.com

I love Cooks Illustrated!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:28:48am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Or just walk in a straight line.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:35:55am

When the Taliban understands more about the environment than the POTUS and his administration and followers…

bbc.com

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Major Tom  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:46:46am

re: #25 Joe Bacon

OMG. Fuck.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:54:47am

Trying to not let this news about Chez get me down. Failing.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 6:56:22am

re: #107 GlutenFreeJesus

I am guessing that Chez is the Chez in the Bob and Chez show. If so all I can say is RIP Chez.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:07:01am

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

That would be him.

———-

Taking my Muslim friend to the gun store today. She got her state permit and has completed all her (private) training classes. Should be interesting.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:10:19am

re: #101 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Daily Banter announcement is here.

His Wikipedia entry is here.

Eric, it just really hurts to lose Chez especially at a time like this. I’m trying to find out the funeral arrangements for him. If I can find the info I’ll share it with everyone here.

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The Spite House  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:29:14am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:30:11am

re: #111 The Spite House

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Wow. Shame if true.

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I cannot.  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:39:41am

I don’t know what these dishes are…but I am hungry now…

*Goes hunting for recipes*

Oh jeez…this is WAY out of my cooking ability, I can work a microwave with the best of them…but wow, these sound wonderful.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:45:52am

Tre: #113 I cannot.

I don’t know what these dishes are…but I am hungry now…

Shakshooka and foul!

One of these dishes does not translate well.

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:57:59am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 26, 2017 • 7:58:39am

Thought I had killed the thread

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:08:36am

re: #116 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

Thought I had killed the thread

It’s just a flesh wound.

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The Spite House  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:12:22am

Thread’s dead, baby. Thread’s dead.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:14:09am

re: #54 wheat-dogg

Trump has found a “police force” ready and eager to do his bidding.

nytimes.com

Is anyone else concerned that there might be “mission creep,” as ICE and CBP are asked to do more than just grab purportedly undocumented aliens?

That’s why neighborhoods are making ready.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:22:20am

I’m looking at stories like this one, and wondering what the actual fuck is happening to this country?

One reason CBP officers are now getting so aggressive is anonymity and lack of pushback. Time for both to end.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:27:34am

I’m stunned to hear about Chez Pazienza. Don’t know any details yet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:30:31am

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m looking at stories like this one, and wondering what the actual fuck is happening to this country?

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One reason CBP officers are now getting so aggressive is anonymity and lack of pushback. Time for both to end.

Was she targeted because of the pro-diversity theme of her work? I suspect so.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:32:41am

re: #122 Big Beautiful Door

Was she targeted because of the pro-diversity theme of her work? I suspect so.

Dunno. But I’m thinking it’s time to publish pictures and names of offending officers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:34:37am

I realize this may be an unpopular position, but this is the sort of thing that thrives on anonymous power. They can largely do what they want, because they’re behind the solid doors, and they have people largely at their mercy. And clearly, a lot of them have just been waiting for this.

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I cannot.  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:34:56am

re: #122 Big Beautiful Door

Would they know about her work? Or would it be someone higher up that put her on a “let’s fuck with this person” list?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:38:09am
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calochortus  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:38:14am

re: #125 I cannot.

Would they know about her work? Or would it be someone higher up that put her on a “let’s fuck with this person” list?

Might also be that she was randomly selected “window dressing” to show they weren’t racially profiling. There could be dozens of people like this that are detained every day who don’t happen to be famous authors.

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:40:45am

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

I realize this may be an unpopular position, but this is the sort of thing that thrives on anonymous power. They can largely do what they want, because they’re behind the solid doors, and they have people largely at their mercy. And clearly, a lot of them have just been waiting for this.

And once they’ve succeeded in making international travel to the US so toxic that no one wants to come here, they can move on to making domestic travel suck. I wonder what the airline industry is doing behind the scenes to protect their livelihood?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:41:40am

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

I realize this may be an unpopular position, but this is the sort of thing that thrives on anonymous power. They can largely do what they want, because they’re behind the solid doors, and they have people largely at their mercy. And clearly, a lot of them have just been waiting for this.

I’m worried about traveling. I have respect for people doing their jobs. I thank the people at TSA, but I have NO patience for idiots who abuse their power. If they started asking me about my political beliefs I would lose my shit. This old white man is going to ask them a question or two.

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Botsplainer  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:42:54am

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

Dunno. But I’m thinking it’s time to publish pictures and names of offending officers.

I’m curious as to whether there may be a list going about of people that aren’t aboard with the regime. I’ll get to find out in May, as I’m headed to Australia (a little time in Sydney, then Daintree and a liveaboard dive boat out of Cairns). My passport is mostly carefree save for my awesome 10 year China visa (multiple entry), and if I’m secondaried, it’ll undoubtedly be list based, as I’m a global entry holder. I promise that if secondaried, it’ll be incredibly offensive and abusive on my end.

I worry some about my wife. She’ll be returning via a different flight before I arrive. Her passport may be problematic as it reflects a lot of travel to out of the way places with large Muslim populations, and her travel history shows multiple transits through Doha. If they fuck with her, she’ll seriously lose her shit.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:43:22am

Bill Paxton died.

google.com

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:43:26am

Karma for exploiting Benghazi Mom.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:43:31am

A number of posts above have address the activities of ICE and CBP.
This should scare the crap out of all of you…
Remember, recently viewed draft EOs have shown the intent to increase the CBP by around 25% (5000 new officers), Air & Marine operations by a bit more than 25% (500 new positions) and ICE by roughly 50% (10,000 new agents).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:44:17am

re: #128 stpaulbear

And once they’ve succeeded in making international travel to the US so toxic that no one wants to come here, they can move on to making domestic travel suck. I wonder what the airline industry is doing behind the scenes to protect their livelihood?

They already started it. Last week, they went on board a DOMESTIC flight and demanded to see everyone’s ID, claiming they were looking for someone who was supposed to be deported. They were apparently not letting people off the flight without showing ID.

A domestic flight.

They claimed, when it became news, that it was voluntary, but I wonder if they made that clear to the passengers. Or if it even was voluntary.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:46:06am

So, it seems the WaPo Sunday magazine has a ‘let KAC tell her side of herself’ … Mrs. Lapin was reading it and saying ‘wow, she sounds like a human…’

Why do papers give a platform for reprehensible people to sanitize themselves? I don’t care what a ‘nice’ person she is in her daily life, she is the mouthpiece for an orange shitgoblin and that is all that is relevant.

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Botsplainer  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:46:19am

re: #128 stpaulbear

And once they’ve succeeded in making international travel to the US so toxic that no one wants to come here, they can move on to making domestic travel suck. I wonder what the airline industry is doing behind the scenes to protect their livelihood?

By and large, his base doesn’t travel. They’re not interested in it, fear it, won’t spend for it and resent those who like to do it. If travel is constructed and it causes equipment allocation disruptions, they don’t care, as most of his most virulent supporters live within a 12 hour drive of Gatlinburg, Brandon and Destin - destinations they see as “truly ‘Murkan”.

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:49:04am

re: #136 Botsplainer

By and large, his base doesn’t travel. They’re not interested in it, fear it, won’t spend for it and resent those who like to do it. If travel is constructed and it causes equipment allocation disruptions, they don’t care, as most of his most virulent supporters live within a 12 hour drive of Gatlinburg, Brandon and Destin - destinations they see as “truly ‘Murkan”.

You must be mistaken. When I read the comments at FR I’m always impressed at the number of sophisticated world travelers who know lots of CEOs and high ranking security people and the like who share important information with them.
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:49:53am

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

They already started it. Last week, they went on board a DOMESTIC flight and demanded to see everyone’s ID, claiming they were looking for someone who was supposed to be deported. They were apparently not letting people off the flight without showing ID.

A domestic flight.

They claimed, when it became news, that it was voluntary, but I wonder if they made that clear to the passengers. Or if it even was voluntary.

Voluntary? When you are held captive on a plane nothing is voluntary. Nothing. Do it or wait here for hours and hours.

This incident is BS. If they were looking for a specific person why didn’t they watch everyone get off the plane and see who matches the description?

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:51:54am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

But but but what about the hiring freeze?

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calochortus  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:53:49am

re: #138 I Would Prefer Not To

Voluntary? When you are held captive on a plane nothing is voluntary. Nothing. Do it or wait here for hours and hours.

This incident is BS. If they were looking for a specific person why didn’t they watch everyone get off the plane and see who matches the description?

You mean like, at the very least are they looking for a man or a woman?

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:54:24am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

A number of posts above have address the activities of ICE and CBP.
This should scare the crap out of all of you…
Remember, recently viewed draft EOs have shown the intent to increase the CBP by around 25% (5000 new officers), Air & Marine operations by a bit more than 25% (500 new positions) and ICE by roughly 50% (10,000 new agents).

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In the memo, McAleenan described some of the changes CBP is considering — waiving the polygraph for some applicants such as police in good standing, making background investigations less stringent, and easing the entrance exam — as making CBP “more competitive.”

Yeah, I can’t see how this could possibly blow up in our faces…//////

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:57:02am

re: #139 BigPapa

But but but what about the hiring freeze?

Volunteers work for free.

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I cannot.  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:57:23am

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

The next four years in one picture.
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weave  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:59:29am

re: #16 Stanley Sea

Missed this great news.

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I live in Delaware. This is awesome news. This is a solid middle class district. No urban centers in the district (typical strong Democratic areas). This should be Trump country. Also note the picture. It’s diverse but there are a majority of white people — again, what many would say these days are Trump supporters.

2018 mid-terms are a long way away but I sure hope this is a good sign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 8:59:43am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:03:11am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And CBP wants to lower standards from the already stellar level on display here.

This is gonna be an utter shitshow.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:04:30am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:08:52am

A paranoid WH is not a functioning WH

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(alpuz)  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:09:51am

re: #135 Colère Tueur de Lapin - merde, nous allons mour

So, it seems the WaPo Sunday magazine has a ‘let KAC tell her side of herself’ … Mrs. Lapin was reading it and saying ‘wow, she sounds like a human…’

Why do papers give a platform for reprehensible people to sanitize themselves? I don’t care what a ‘nice’ person she is in her daily life, she is the mouthpiece for an orange shitgoblin and that is all that is relevant.

She’s a paid liar for policies that are going to hurt real people.
She sucks… both in her real life and her… uh, alternate life.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:11:34am

re: #148 Stanley Sea

A paranoid WH is not a functioning WH

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The same Federal Records Act that White House staff including Cabinet secretaries are violating by using non-government servers for email correspondence? Or a president who deletes embarrassing tweets?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:12:02am

re: #148 Stanley Sea

A paranoid WH is not a functioning WH

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:15:25am

I imagine this is what it was like in the White House during Watergate, as Nixon and his goons tried to figure out who it was that was leading the press to where all the bodies were buried.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:25:26am

re: #125 I cannot.

Would they know about her work? Or would it be someone higher up that put her on a “let’s fuck with this person” list?

That is what I’m thinking.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:26:11am

Thread!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:27:15am

re: #128 stpaulbear

And once they’ve succeeded in making international travel to the US so toxic that no one wants to come here, they can move on to making domestic travel suck. I wonder what the airline industry is doing behind the scenes to protect their livelihood?

I’ve read the tourism industry is already beginning to suffer, and Australia is trying to cash in on US and British xenophobia to encourage international students to go there to study.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:27:18am
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:30:42am

Weird. This is the picture that illustrates the NY Post’s entry when you Google “mardi gras driver”:

And here’s the actual perp as shown in the NY Post article:

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:32:29am

Sad to hear about the passing of Chez Pazienza. I don’t listen to the podcasts all that much, but I know he is a favorite of the LGF members and a personal friend of Charles. Way too young in age.

Also sad to hear about Bill Paxton. I see they are saying it was complications from surgery. That had to be shocking for his family and friends.

Not much to say but damn.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:33:48am

re: #154 Stanley Sea

Thread!

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Good rant and she’s 100% right.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:38:37am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

That’s why neighborhoods are making ready.

I wonder what the modern version of “Chekaaaa!” is going to be?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:41:27am

The thing I have to honestly ask of people who think the Dems have moved too far to the right on economics is what about when the New Deal was proposed and that the only way it could get passed Congress is FDR allowed Southern states to make it so only whites could benefit from the programs? What about FDR’s honest to God cowardice on lynching prohibition and his signing of the EO that interned the Japanese? I like FDR as a president but I don’t deify him either. And if you think Obama/Clinton are too hawkish. FDR was quite hawkish too. So many progressives especially my fellow white male ones don’t want accept that Democratic Party is in fact more progressive than ever. And yeah it sort of stinks that corporate money is taken but we are in a post Citizens United world and tbh some of these corporations do share our exclusionary goals for American society. Not every corp is Standard Oil.

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:41:36am
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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:42:18am

re: #152 Targetpractice

I imagine this is what it was like in the White House during Watergate, as Nixon and his goons tried to figure out who it was that was leading the press to where all the bodies were buried.

You mean the bunker mentality and yet trying to say nothing is wrong here…moving on.

Getting more and more like it as the days go on.

We’ll know for sure when we hear reports of Trump walking the halls late at night and talking to the paintings of past presidents.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:43:50am

re: #111 The Spite House

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Damn. I just listened to an interview with him on a podcast last week. He sounded great.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:44:27am

re: #154 Stanley Sea

Thread!

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And reading through the replies from Bros is about what you’d expect: “We don’t need diversity, we need ‘economic justice’! Diversity doesn’t matter if we losing elections!”

Meanwhile, the first black president won by bringing in record-setting numbers of minority voters as well as crossover votes from “moderate” Republicans. The Bros have no fucking clue how to win an election.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:46:16am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

The correct response for the press is to report everything and quit worrying about whether they are being biased. Reality is always biased against those who lie about it.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:47:40am

re: #151 Stanley Sea

If I wanted to leak, I would own a separate phone for that.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:49:25am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

The thing I have to honestly ask of people who think the Dems have moved too far to the right on economics is what about when the New Deal was proposed and that the only way it could get passed Congress is FDR allowed Southern states to make it so only whites could benefit from the programs? What about FDR’s honest to God cowardice on lynching prohibition and his signing of the EO that interned the Japanese? I like FDR as a president but I don’t deify him either. And if you think Obama/Clinton are too hawkish. FDR was quite hawkish too. So many progressives especially my fellow white male ones don’t want accept that Democratic Party is in fact more progressive than ever. And yeah it sort of stinks that corporate money is taken but we are in a post Citizens United world and tbh some of these corporations do share our exclusionary goals for American society. Not every corp is Standard Oil.

Whether or not you believe FDR intended to provoke war, he still accomplished such by pushing Japan into a corner through cutting off access to US oil and scrap steel. If he had done neither, we still would have eventually been forced to confront Japan as they moved in on the holdings of our allies. But they would not have felt so desperate as to launch a surprise attack on us.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:49:26am

re: #165 Targetpractice

And reading through the replies from Bros is about what you’d expect: “We don’t need diversity, we need ‘economic justice’! Diversity doesn’t matter if we losing elections!”

Meanwhile, the first black president won by bringing in record-setting numbers of minority voters as well as crossover votes from “moderate” Republicans. The Bros have no fucking clue how to win an election.

There is no economic justice without diversity and inclusion.

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retired cynic  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:50:29am

re: #165 Targetpractice

That was what discouraged me. It’s like the “hear no, see no, speak no” graphic. Those people are locked in, and can’t hear or see the enormous amount of work Hillary put in on those economic issues during her whole career. I had always admired Bernie, until this election, and then discovered his career was not a patch on hers, and his big deal was rallies, yelling and pounding on the lectern. Plus his private life did not live up to his public yelling about economic justice.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:50:44am

re: #167 Belafon

If I wanted to leak, I would own a separate phone for that.

Burner phones are cheap, can be bought virtually everywhere these days, and tossed almost as soon as you leak.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:51:28am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Whether or not you believe FDR intended to provoke war, he still accomplished such by pushing Japan into a corner through cutting off access to US oil and scrap steel. If he had done neither, we still would have eventually been forced to confront Japan as they moved in on the holdings of our allies. But they would not have felt so desperate as to launch a surprise attack on us.

Exactly, if you hate the current Democratic Party for beign too hawkish but revere FDR, I don’t know what to say. I like FDR. Hell FDR’s the biggest reason why all four my grandpaernts became lifelong Dems but he was not the person the bros make him out to be. In fact it’s a lot like how the right treates Reagan

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:52:37am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:52:39am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

There is no economic justice without diversity and inclusion.

And it’s a total coincidence that the majority of those Bros screaming “ECONOMIC JUSTICE!” are white folks who feel entitled to higher wages and free education.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:53:54am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Exactly, if you hate the current Democratic Party for beign too hawkish but revere FDR, I don’t know what to say. I like FDR. Hell FDR’s the biggest reason why all four my grandpaernts became lifelong Dems but he was not the person the bros make him out to be. In fact it’s a lot like how the right treates Reagan

And they’re the same people who supported unilateral deployment of American peacekeepers into Sudan back in the day, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:54:10am

re: #170 retired cynic

That was what discouraged me. It’s like the “hear no, see no, speak no” graphic. Those people are locked in, and can’t hear or see the enormous amount of work Hillary put in on those economic issues during her whole career. I had always admired Bernie, until this election, and then discovered his career was not a patch on hers, and his big deal was rallies, yelling and pounding on the lectern. Plus his private life did not live up to his public yelling about economic justice.

One word with Hillary on economics, CHIP. I honestly didn’t care about Sanders’ private life but I was bothered seeing that despite a quarter century in Washington, he had very little to his name passed. That’s not something you want out of someone you want to lead the country.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:55:18am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Outlaw Jersey Whale obviously speaking from experience about Democrats overreaching…

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:55:25am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

The thing I have to honestly ask of people who think the Dems have moved too far to the right on economics is what about when the New Deal was proposed and that the only way it could get passed Congress is FDR allowed Southern states to make it so only whites could benefit from the programs? What about FDR’s honest to God cowardice on lynching prohibition and his signing of the EO that interned the Japanese?

And let’s talk for a moment about FDR and refugees.

There was a 1924 law that established immigration quotas by country-of-origin. Starting in 1934, the number of German Jews trying to get into the US was way, way more than the quotas (28,000/year for Germany and Austria combined) and FDR was not the least bit sympathetic. The law, the law. Illegal immigration. They’ll take our jobs. OMG how do we know they’re not terrorists, Nazi agents, etc.

Then of course the ship St Louis. Desperate people fleeing for their lives, sent back, more than half of them died in the Holocaust. Sending that ship back, refusing them entry, was used by Hitler as a propaganda victory — “see, nobody else wants them either. We’d have let them go, but since we have nowhere to send them we have to kill them.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:56:37am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Exactly, if you hate the current Democratic Party for beign too hawkish but revere FDR, I don’t know what to say. I like FDR. Hell FDR’s the biggest reason why all four my grandpaernts became lifelong Dems but he was not the person the bros make him out to be. In fact it’s a lot like how the right treates Reagan

They’re doing the same with Bernie. You read through what congressional record he has and it’s a long list of foreign interventions that he was there voting with the majority to support. He had people arrested and physically removed from his office for wanting to get answers on why he supported the bombing during the Bosnian War.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:59:01am

re: #179 Targetpractice

They’re doing the same with Bernie. You read through what congressional record he has and it’s a long list of foreign interventions that he was there voting with the majority to support. He had people arrested and physically removed from his office for wanting to get answers on why he supported the bombing during the Bosnian War.

Damn, I didn’t know that about him and Bosnia. I mean I assumed he supported it but i didn’t know about how people were treated who wanted to know why he supported action.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 9:59:52am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Damn, I didn’t know that about him and Bosnia. I mean I assumed he supported it but i didn’t know about how people were treated who wanted to know why he supported action.

I should correct that it was his secretary that called the cops on the protestors…because he was in D.C., too busy working on his reelection to care about his constituents and their concerns.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:01:45am

re: #178 sagehen

And let’s talk for a moment about FDR and refugees.

There was a 1924 law that established immigration quotas by country-of-origin. Starting in 1934, the number of German Jews trying to get into the US was way, way more than the quotas (28,000/year for Germany and Austria combined) and FDR was not the least bit sympathetic. The law, the law. Illegal immigration. They’ll take our jobs. OMG how do we know they’re not terrorists, Nazi agents, etc.

Then of course the ship St Louis. Desperate people fleeing for their lives, sent back, more than half of them died in the Holocaust. Sending that ship back, refusing them entry, was used by Hitler as a propaganda victory — “see, nobody else wants them either. We’d have let them go, but since we have nowhere to send them we have to kill them.”

Exactly. It’s funny. I remember when I first heard about Malkin defending internment and thinking “Really, this is something you could be hitting a progressive hard and legitimately for and you’re defending the worst of his legacy?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:06:31am

Having a weird problem. My page turns gray and freezes up. Anyone else having this?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:07:47am

re: #181 Targetpractice

I should correct that it was his secretary that called the cops on the protestors…because he was in D.C., too busy working on his reelection to care about his constituents and their concerns.

Stlil hadn’t heard about it. i don’t mind Sanders being a politician, i do mind him being a politician like anyone else and presenting himself as pure as the Vermont snow though to his supporters and everyone else as part of the “system.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:08:28am

I have words on Facebook:

Dear Bernie Sanders: Until you can present the receipt for your Democratic Party dues, kindly STFU.

Until you repudiate the preemptive “take your ball and go home” bullshit from *SOME* of your supporters, kindly STFU.

Until you make a written pledge to immediately switch your party affiliation and to seek the Democratic nomination in all future elections, kindly STFU.

(All my stuff on Facebook is friends-only so I can’t embed the post here.)

Did I miss anything?

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:09:12am

re: #167 Belafon

If I wanted to leak, I would own a separate phone for that.

I would also ensure that the only information I leaked was privy to the same group of people every time, to avoid identification by a process of elimination.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:09:34am

Goddamn, I just saw Bill Paxton died.

Fuck 2017.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:09:52am

re: #185 Timothy Watson

I have words on Facebook:

(All my stuff on Facebook is friends-only so I can’t embed the post here.)

Did I miss anything?

No, that sounds good to me. I don’t mind him opining in policy. He’s an elected official after all but I do wish he would shut up about what the Democratic Party decides for its future when he acts too above it to actually be a member.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:12:06am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:19:39am

re: #189 Stanley Sea

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Russia and Cuba have gone up. What a strange world we’re in.

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:22:02am

I watched the local Columbus NBC channel 4 political show and Steve Stivers (Ohio 15th District Rep…parts of Columbus) was on and talking about the ACA. He told the host that preexisting conditions would still be a part of the new GOP plan and also children up to age 26 can stay on the parents plan. He tried to make it sound like much of the ACA will be kept just reworked, blah, blah, blah.

Sounds like the Republicans are dancing around on what to do about it all. Sure was easy for them to have big mouths about how they were going to repeal and replace and when it comes time to do actual policy they are clueless.

I guess it is a good thing that they are not just going to be able to shitcan the whole thing and be done with it…which was their plan all along.

I like to see GOP politicians sweat and be worried about their jobs. There hasn’t been enough of it…I hope for a whole lot more.

I knew Stivers had part of Columbus and the near by area. I googled to find an image of his district. It’s pretty screwed up. Look how it snakes around the west, south and east areas around the outside of Columbus and has very creative reaches into certain (conservative for sure) areas of the city itself inside the I-270 outerbelt. That’s some creative district drawing right there.

Ohio Congressional District 15
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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:22:03am

Yup, they are ready & willing to be fascists.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:23:20am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Russia and Cuba have gone up. What a strange world we’re in.

I think Cuba is just “Yay, we can travel.”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:23:48am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:25:57am

re: #192 Stanley Sea

Yup, they are ready & willing to be fascists.

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Meanwhile the people who flipped out about TSA agents just doing their jobs and acting like Obama had started it won’t give two fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:26:56am

re: #193 Belafon

I think Cuba is just “Yay, we can travel.”

Yeah, good catch.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:27:32am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“But again, Reince Priebus has great integrity”

Yeah, when I’m looking for a great judge of integrity, my go-to guy is Chris Christie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:30:31am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Having a weird problem. My page turns gray and freezes up. Anyone else having this?

Initially I read that as “my page turns gay…”

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:32:57am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

Initially I read that as “my page turns gay…”

Well, good too know you have a loving and stable family here……

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:34:18am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Note how it encompasses Arlington and Grandview through some very creative drawing of boundaries.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:34:47am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

I am not having any problems here. Do you have a Windows computer or a Mac?

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:35:11am

re: #191 ObserverArt

I watched the local Columbus NBC channel 4 political show and Steve Stivers (Ohio 15th District Rep…parts of Columbus) was on and talking about the ACA. He told the host that preexisting conditions would still be a part of the new GOP plan and also children up to age 26 can stay on the parents plan. He tried to make it sound like much of the ACA will be kept just reworked, blah, blah, blah.

Sounds like the Republicans are dancing around on what to do about it all. Sure was easy for them to have big mouths about how they were going to repeal and replace and when it comes time to do actual policy they are clueless.

I guess it is a good thing that they are not just going to be able to shitcan the whole thing and be done with it…which was their plan all along.

I like to see GOP politicians sweat and be worried about their jobs. There hasn’t been enough of it…I hope for a whole lot more.

I knew Stivers had part of Columbus and the near by area. I googled to find an image of his district. It’s pretty screwed up. Look how it snakes around the west, south and east areas around the outside of Columbus and has very creative reaches into certain (conservative for sure) areas of the city itself inside the I-270 outerbelt. That’s some creative district drawing right there.

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If all the leaks we’ve heard recently are any indication, the GOP are planning what they do best: Undermining a popular program from the inside so they can claim that it “doesn’t work” and use that as justification for shit-canning it in the name of “freedom.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:35:19am

re: #192 Stanley Sea

“Fun” is code for “we really enjoy harassing brown people.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:35:57am

re: #201 PhillyPretzel

I am not having any problems here. Do you have a Windows computer or a Mac?

Windows. It’s good now tho.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:36:48am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

Initially I read that as “my page turns gay…”

Ha!

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Timothy Watson  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:36:55am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart

Paxton is also one of only two actors to have been killed onscreen by an Alien, a Predator, and a Terminator, an honor he shares with Lance Henriksen. He leaves behind a wife and two children.

io9.gizmodo.com

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:37:25am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Having a weird problem. My page turns gray and freezes up. Anyone else having this?

Nope, no problems. Try clearing your cache then restarting the browser. That often fixes most things.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:38:25am

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Nope, no problems. Try clearing your cache then restarting the browser. That often fixes most things.

I had a similar issue last night (Mac). A restart sorted things out.

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:39:30am

re: #200 BeachDem

Note how it encompasses Arlington and Grandview through some very creative drawing of boundaries.

Also that thin strip that comes up from south of the city and runs up along Ohio Rt 62…which is pretty much ex-Appalachian folks that still have some money…not like the White folk (and Hispanics) that are the near and far west side.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:39:43am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:40:40am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

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Fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:41:17am

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Nope, no problems. Try clearing your cache then restarting the browser. That often fixes most things.

Thanks. Seems to be good now.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:42:00am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

I had a similar issue last night (Mac). A restart sorted things out.

I always start form there then work my way back. If Charles is out & about I’ll also check with him to see if he’s tinkering with the code. If you refresh a page when he’s making changes or try to use something right at the moment he’s tweaking, it can go all wonky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:43:21am

There’s a pattern to Trump’s attacks on the media. They repeatedly happen directly after reporting on Russia. Watch. pic.twitter.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:47:37am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cheechako  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:49:05am

I kinda’ think FAKE NEWS is not as bad as the 2nd Place FAKE PRESIDENT.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:49:05am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Fuck.

Stronger word required.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:49:37am
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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:50:16am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey Donny…if there is no fire, why you always got the big hose out and watering down all the media reports.

I guess Donny doesn’t know that old “where there is smoke there is fire” phrase.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:50:25am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:51:54am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The more you insist that it’s fake, the more obvious it comes that you’re Putin’s errand boy.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:52:26am

Paranoia strikes early

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:53:11am
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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:53:30am

re: #222 jaunte

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Paranoia strikes early

Extreme vetting!

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:53:53am

They’ll be down in a bunker by May.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:55:15am

re: #225 jaunte

They’ll be down in a bunker by May.

FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:56:25am

We were watching Kitten Academy last night for a bit and Problem Child was very intrigued by this.

That’s a 50” TV screen, for perspective.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:58:15am

re: #222 jaunte

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Paranoia strikes early

And Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden are…nowhere to be found on this story. How odd…

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:59:50am

Now every potential leaker in Washington knows not to use their “office phone.” As if they didn’t before.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 10:59:55am

I’m watching Top Gear Season 2, Episode 4, from 2003. Jeremy Clarkson is interviewing Boris Johnson

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:01:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:02:04am

re: #229 jaunte

Now every potential leaker in Washington knows not to use their “office phone.” As if they didn’t before.

Except Mike Flynn….

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:02:05am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

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*SIGH, smh*

I’m still waiting for the WH to acknowledge in even the tiniest way that there have been no less than 8 anti-mosque attacks so far this year, ranging from armed protest, to verbal threats, vandalism, and arson—never mind the 6 people murdered in Quebec.

Source: aclu.org

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bratwurst  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:02:14am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

Anti-Israel leftists strike again. /

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:02:55am

re: #232 Barefoot Grin

Except Mike Flynn….

Sorry, I forgot that he forgot about the Russian Ambassador’s office phone.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:03:10am

re: #233 CuriousLurker

Edited to include source.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:03:35am

re: #231 jaunte

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He’s already violated their civil rights, what more can he do? Fire them all and hope he got the leakers? It will just force other leakers to go further underground, but it won’t end the leaking.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:04:32am

re: #233 CuriousLurker

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:04:39am

re: #237 Targetpractice

He’s already violated their civil rights, what more can he do? Fire them all and hope he got the leakers? It will just force other leakers to go further underground, but it won’t end the leaking.

He might as well play whack-a-mole

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:05:32am

re: #238 Stanley Sea

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:06:35am

“Several staff have been terminated from the White House.”
“Why did the White House terminate their employment?”
“We suspected they were involved in leaking confidential material to the press.”
“How did you reach that conclusion?”
“They were warned that if information about a leak-check investigation was leaked to the press, there would be ‘more problems.’”
“Well Sean, since this was supposed to be a secret meeting, the list of potential suspects includes everybody in the room…including you. When will you be resigning?”

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:08:08am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

This cemetery is near the Frankford Transportation Center (Bridge and Pratt Streets) and in not so great neighborhood. That being said, I am horrified that this is happening again.

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:09:18am

re: #231 jaunte

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:11:07am

re: #5 Stanley Sea

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:11:20am

re: #241 Targetpractice

In all seriousness that is an interesting theory: Spicer leaking things to give him an excuse to go after some people in his staff.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:11:21am

Spicer is basically daring a staffer to take the administration to court over this. What is their defense going to be for any retaliatory measures taken towards “leakers” when the head honchos are actively violating the very laws they claim to be enforcing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:11:41am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:12:54am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie wants to lead the party, but he doesn’t want any actual responsibility to the party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:13:03am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Then shut the hell up about what the Democratic Party does then Bernie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:13:15am

these people…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:13:46am

re: #244 CuriousLurker

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:13:49am

re: #248 Targetpractice

Bernie wants to lead the party, but he doesn’t want any actual responsibility to the party.

Yep. Some leader Bernie is. He just wants to present a false narrative to his fans that he’s the only one standing up which is complete horseshit.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:13:54am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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Frothy….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:14:05am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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Yeah I saw that earlier. Fuck Frothy.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:14:37am

re: #246 Targetpractice

Spicer is basically daring a staffer to take the administration to court over this. What is their defense going to be for any retaliatory measures taken towards “leakers” when the head honchos are actively violating the very laws they claim to be enforcing?

Saw a tweet that mentioned the whole purpose of Spicer’s department is to communicate with the press. So…..

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:14:38am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rick just put a cork in it. You have no idea what you are doing.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:14:46am

OT: Has anyone tried inkjet printing on tissue paper? I saw a couple of YouTube videos on how to do it, but just wondering if anyone has actually tried it.

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:14:57am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sam Stein ✔ @samsteinhp
Bernie won’t commit to giving his email list to the DNC.
9:12 AM - 26 Feb 2017
243 243 Retweets 611 611 likes

Such a team player.

His attitude tells me he is not Presidential material. He wouldn’t be able to work with enough people to get anything done.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:15:58am

re: #257 CuriousLurker

I do not know.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:16:32am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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“Obamacare is a failure! But you’re going to need 60 votes to change preexisting conditions and other things to make the system work. And that’s the problem of repeal and replacing is you can’t do it because it’s a broken system.”

Ricky gives the game away, the one the GOP won’t state openly because it would be electoral doom for them: The only way to “fix” healthcare in their minds is to return to the days when insurance companies could scam your ass until you needed healthcare and then drop your coverage with the guarantee that you’d never be seen as insurable again.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:19:13am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:19:13am

re: #258 ObserverArt

Such a team player.

His attitude tells me he is not Presidential material. He wouldn’t be able to work with enough people to get anything done.

He really isn’t. It honestly was things like that convinced me that he wasn’t cut out to be President. I have no doubt Sanders would surround himself with only people who would agree with him and not challenge him and that’s just not something you want in a President. He’s not a leader. I’m sorry. I like his voting record and ideologically he’s more or less in the right place but the man’s not a leader and I’m disappointed that so many people my age think eh is.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:19:36am

from ABC News FB posting:

The White House spokesperson on Pres. Donald J. Trump skipping the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner: “If a Girl Scout egged your house, would you buy cookies from her? I think this is a pretty similar scenario.” abcn.ws #ThisWeek

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:22:05am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

from ABC News FB posting:

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We’ve an administration with the mentality of an abusive husband: “YOU MADE ME DO THIS!”

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:22:08am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

These people are just so incredibly mature.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:22:13am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

One More Analogy-Challenged Spokesperson

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:22:40am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

from ABC News FB posting:

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Did Sarah Huckabee Sanders get her powers of reason from her father?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:22:56am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

from ABC News FB posting:

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Huckabee’s daughter. She has zero credibility in my mind.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:23:10am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:23:45am

97 is a good run.

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:25:58am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

from ABC News FB posting:

The White House spokesperson on Pres. Donald J. Trump skipping the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner: “If a Girl Scout egged your house, would you buy cookies from her? I think this is a pretty similar scenario.” abcn.ws #ThisWeek

Bwuck, bwuck, bwuck….Bwaaaaaaack!

Excuses for Trump not attending the WH Correspondents dinner from the White House Chicken Coop.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:26:38am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

from ABC News FB posting:

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Oh whine some more will you.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:27:17am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:27:54am

Allow me to repeat myself from last night: The only reason that the press has been nice to the White House is to secure access. They’ve put up with a lot of shit in the past year from Trump and his cabal because it was the only way they could maintain that access. When access is not only restricted, but flat-out denied, then the press ceases to have a reason to be nice to the White House.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:28:24am

re: #228 Targetpractice

And Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden are…nowhere to be found on this story. How odd…

///////

They’re waiting for Putin to give them permission to go to the bathroom.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:28:59am
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #233 CuriousLurker

OI have “arrested near Mosque” and “hate crimes” in my Google watch. It’s depressing.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:33:26am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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Rick, I DARE you to say that to my face! I still remember when I first encountered you at a party in 1977 when we goofed on you because you tried to pick up girls and they slapped you. You were such an asshole that you tried again and got slapped even worse! We all laughed at your sorry pathetic ass!

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Interesting Times  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:37:47am

All right then. But I’ll believe it when I see it (and trump calls it “fake news”):

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:39:55am

boo-fuckin-hoo

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:40:30am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:42:04am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo-fuckin-hoo

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Bernie, my patience has reached its end. GTFO.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:44:25am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo-fuckin-hoo

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Shut up Bernie seriously shut up. It was done fairly. Your guy lost and Perez even made him vice chair.

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Interesting Times  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:46:24am

I highly doubt that extra margin came from disaffected GOPers - more like, all those Dems and Independents who couldn’t be bothered voting before:

…which, again, suggests the best path forward for Dems to win again is motivating those who normally don’t vote - they’re the actual “silent majority.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:46:56am

Bernie just throwing out some red meat for his followers. He likes the attention and he needs to keep them around for that reason.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:46:58am

re: #282 Targetpractice

Bernie, my patience has reached its end. GTFO.

I’m really tired of his shit. He needs to either actually join the Democratic Party or accept that the Democratic Party can elect its own leaders its way. He’s nothing but a left wing version of Trump in some ways. And man I hate saying that since I once respected him greatly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:47:42am

re: #285 ObserverArt

Bernie just throwing out some red meat for his followers. He likes the attention and he needs to keep them around for that reason.

I really hate that so many people my age think he’s great. Bernie is an ass.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:48:38am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart

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They still call the morning show the Kidd Kraddick show here in Dallas (it’s also syndicated) even though he’s been dead a few years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:48:43am

“Never put all of your faith in any one person/organization.”

Says the woman who threatened yesterday to walk away if Bernie’s guy didn’t win the DNC chairmanship…

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:49:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:49:59am

And it bothers me that CNN dumbs it down to centrists versus progressives. I’m just as progressive as any of them. I just didn’t think Perez was Satan incarnate since he supported Clinton in the primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:51:29am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Never put all of your faith in any one person/organization.”

Says the woman who threatened yesterday to walk away if Bernie’s guy didn’t win the DNC chairmanship…

Real big talk from someone who thinks the Dem Party should revolve around Sanders & your self worth is based on whether you supported him or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:52:29am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Real big talk from someone who thinks the Dem Party should revolve around Sanders & your self worth is based on whether you supported him or not.

and LOLOLOLOL at this one:

2.Blind loyalty hurts your vision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:53:02am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:54:25am

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

and LOLOLOLOL at this one:

No kidding. I wasn’t even a Perez supporter for the chairmanship.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:54:30am

OK, who do you think of?

Now, look here

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:55:02am
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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:55:13am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Never put all of your faith in any one person/organization.”

Says the woman who threatened yesterday to walk away if Bernie’s guy didn’t win the DNC chairmanship…

What advice can I give? GROW THE FUCK UP! Depending on whose date range you use, the youngest Millenials are now at least 20-21 years old. It’s time to stop treating them as kids and start treating them as the adults they should be by now. In the real world, you have to realize that perfect cannot be the enemy of good, else you’re never going to get anywhere in life. Learn to lower your expectations or you’re going to keep getting disappointed.

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:55:21am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

And it bothers me that CNN dumbs it down to centrists versus progressives. I’m just as progressive as any of them. I just didn’t think Perez was Satan incarnate since he supported Clinton in the primaries.

This. They basically brought Sanders in to dish on the DNC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:56:27am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:56:54am

re: #299 stpaulbear

This. They basically brought Sanders in order to dish on the DNC.

And Bernie was happy to oblige.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:57:23am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

And it bothers me that CNN dumbs it down to centrists versus progressives. I’m just as progressive as any of them. I just didn’t think Perez was Satan incarnate since he supported Clinton in the primaries.

And Mr. Perez has solid credentials as a champion of workers both in his time as Labor Secretary, and long before.

Mr. Perez becomes the first Hispanic-American to become a major party chair. Rep. Ellison would have been the first Muslim-American had he won the vote.

The primaries centred around the first (serious) woman challenger and the first (serious) Jewish challenger to be the nominee of a major party.

Khzir Khan was the breakout speaker at the Democratic Convention, the first time a Muslim has been elevated to such a position by a major party.

There were more transgender delegates to the Democratic Convention than African-American delegates to the Republican Convention. Sarah McBride was the first transgender person to speak at a major party convention.

The Democratic Party is one of inclusion, the Republican Party not so much.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:58:51am

re: #298 Targetpractice

What advice can I give? GROW THE FUCK UP! Depending on whose date range you use, the youngest Millenials are now at least 20-21 years old. It’s time to stop treating them as kids and start treating them as the adults they should be by now. In the real world, you have to realize that perfect cannot be the enemy of good, else you’re never going to get anywhere in life. Learn to lower your expectations or you’re going to keep getting disappointed.

My advice to my fellow millennial would be to learn more about Perez and stop using Sanders as your political compass and instead look within. Support candidates based on your principles and if you want to be part of the Democratic Party, realize that your choice doesn’t always win.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:59:28am

re: #302 Anymouse

And Mr. Perez has solid credentials as a champion of workers both in his time as Labor Secretary, and long before.

Mr. Perez becomes the first Hispanic-American to become a major party chair. Rep. Ellison would have been the first Muslim-American had he won the vote.

The primaries centred around the first (serious) woman challenger and the first (serious) Jewish challenger to be the nominee of a major party.

Khzir Khan was the breakout speaker at the Democratic Convention, the first time a Muslim has been elevated to such a position by a major party.

There were more transgender delegates to the Democratic Convention than African-American delegates to the Republican Convention. Sarah McBride was the first transgender person to speak at a major party convention.

The Democratic Party is one of inclusion, the Republican Party not so much.

Precisely!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 11:59:44am

I just got off the phone with my ward leader. He lowered the amount of signatures I needed to get on my petitions from 15 to 5. He also gave me another week to get them. These petitions are for the “row office” elections.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:00:02pm

re: #302 Anymouse

And Mr. Perez has solid credentials as a champion of workers both in his time as Labor Secretary, and long before.

Mr. Perez becomes the first Hispanic-American to become a major party chair. Rep. Ellison would have been the first Muslim-American had he won the vote.

The primaries centred around the first (serious) woman challenger and the first (serious) Jewish challenger to be the nominee of a major party.

Khzir Khan was the breakout speaker at the Democratic Convention, the first time a Muslim has been elevated to such a position by a major party.

There were more transgender delegates to the Democratic Convention than African-American delegates to the Republican Convention. Sarah McBride was the first transgender person to speak at a major party convention.

The Democratic Party is one of inclusion, the Republican Party not so much.

And the Bros want to throw all that away to whine about the plight of the WWC, who they feel are the real victims of the past century and the DNC needs to fight the GOP for their hearts and minds. How? By promising them a lot of shit that they don’t need and paying for it with a lot of taxes that they don’t support.

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:00:51pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

And Bernie was happy to oblige.

It’s one of the two or three songs that he knows.

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:01:02pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:01:43pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

My advice to my fellow millennial would be to learn more about Perez and stop using Sanders as your political compass and instead look within. Support candidates based on your principles and if you want to be part of the Democratic Party, realize that your choice doesn’t always win.

For people who constantly preach that you should support the candidate whose values match yours and think for yourself, they sure don’t practice what they preach.

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CarolJ  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:05:19pm

Grieving for Chez like family, even though I never met him. Seems like a hard blow. Can only guess what happened to him. Condolences to his family and friends who actually knew and loved him.

Stop whining Bernie.

I supported Perez because:

1) No giving up an elective seat.
2) His organizational skill-running the Labor Department, deep ties going back to Teddy Kennedy,
friendships with major members of the party. Much of what a DNC chair does is networking-bringing
various factions of the party together in order to elect people. Such a skill is also important for fund-raising, coordinating with candidates, and generally getting the party to work.
3) His promise to have a permanent committee/office to fight voter suppression.
4) His modesty. He wants to quietly work for the party and made no enemies with this run.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:05:47pm

re: #309 Targetpractice

For people who constantly preach that you should support the candidate whose values match yours and think for yourself, they sure don’t practice what they preach.

I supported Sanders, but switched to Clinton when it became obvious that Sanders could not win the primary. I’m really thinking now my switch was the right choice.

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stpaulbear  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:06:30pm

Via JMG and The Guardian: Revealed: how US billionaire helped to back Brexit

It has emerged that Robert Mercer, a hedge-fund billionaire, who helped to finance the Trump campaign and who was revealed this weekend as one of the owners of the rightwing Breitbart News Network, is a long-time friend of Nigel Farage. He directed his data analytics firm to provide expert advice to the Leave campaign on how to target swing voters via Facebook - a donation of services that was not declared to the electoral commission.

Fucking rich people…

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:08:00pm

re: #312 stpaulbear

Via JMG and The Guardian: Revealed: how US billionaire helped to back Brexit

Fucking rich people…

This whole group wants Russia to be a world power because it’s the one truly remaining “white men should be in charge” major power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:10:25pm
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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:10:32pm

re: #310 CarolJ

I would have been happy with either man as DNC chair, though Mr. Perez can devote full time to the position whilst Rep. Ellison would either have to divide his duties or resign his seat in the House.

DNC Chair is hardly a position of great power: It is primarily administration, lining up donors, running a get-out-the-vote strategy. I doubt hardly anyone could name previous DNC chairs besides Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and Howard Dean.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:11:10pm

re: #311 Anymouse

I supported Sanders, but switched to Clinton when it became obvious that Sanders could not win the primary. I’m really thinking now my switch was the right choice.

While I never supported his candidacy outright, I liked the fact that he insisted (prior to Iowa) on sticking to the issues and wanting an intelligent debate over the needs of the country versus mudslinging.

Then January happened, he covered for a staffer who hacked the DNC server and actually sued the party over it, and I began to have doubts. His throwing his lot in with the Bros pretty much sealed the deal for me that he was not ready for prime time.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:13:14pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The man “too busy” for daily intel briefings is never too busy to get his latest unhinged rant from TV or tweets.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:13:28pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

While I never supported his candidacy outright, I liked the fact that he insisted (prior to Iowa) on sticking to the issues and wanting an intelligent debate over the needs of the country versus mudslinging.

Then January happened, he covered for a staffer who hacked the DNC server and actually sued the party over it, and I began to have doubts. His throwing his lot in with the Bros pretty much sealed the deal for me that he was not ready for prime time.

I did not become aware of that suit until long after it happened; that said, I agree that was not the right way for him to go.

While I caucused for Sen. Sanders in my state, knowing what I know now I likely would not have.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:14:59pm

re: #318 Anymouse

I did not become aware of that suit until long after it happened; that said, I agree that was not the right way for him to go.

While I caucused for Sen. Sanders in my state, knowing what I know now I likely would not have.

Knowing what I know now, I would have opposed his candidacy from the start. Whatever “good” he brought to the party was pretty clearly swamped by all the bad by the time the race rolled into Super Tuesday.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:19:00pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

While I never supported his candidacy outright, I liked the fact that he insisted (prior to Iowa) on sticking to the issues and wanting an intelligent debate over the needs of the country versus mudslinging.

Then January happened, he covered for a staffer who hacked the DNC server and actually sued the party over it, and I began to have doubts. His throwing his lot in with the Bros pretty much sealed the deal for me that he was not ready for prime time.

Exactly how I feel.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:19:39pm

Keep digging

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:21:56pm

re: #321 Stanley Sea

Keep digging

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Even decades later, those word still resonate: “Follow the money.”

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wrenchwench  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:24:26pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

Even decades later, those word still resonate: “Follow the money.”

That’s American for “cui bono”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:24:29pm

Gun store update with friend. Didn’t think we’d use the range but they had 2 pistols for rent she’s been interested in. The one she really wants is $$$$$$ and IMO too big for her to handle. Even for a 9mm. She shot way better with the Walther PPQ M2 than the Sig she wants, and it’s half the price. No decision was made today. More research necessary. But nobody gave us any odd looks or anything. That was honestly surprising. Happy about that of course.

I’ve never shot the PPQ until today. I’ve always liked it, but after shooting it, I’m going to start saving up. Only shot a few rounds, as this trip wasn’t about me. From 15 and 20 feet. Not bad!

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:26:32pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Follow-up for anyone who does mixed media art/journaling:

You can indeed put tissue paper through an inkjet printer, but it involves covering a regular sheet of 8.5” x 11” paper with spray craft adhesive (the kind that can be temporary or permanent, depending on how you apply it), and then using that sheet as a carrier sheet for the tissue paper. This means you have to cut the tissue paper down to size—not easy because of how light, slippery and easy to tear it is—and press it onto the carrier sheet “shiny side” down (nearly impossible to distinguish), then run it through the printer. I was able to do it, but it was a major PITA trying to unstick it. Gah.

I also happen to have some 16#, 100% cotton, professional drafting vellum that’s almost as translucent as the tissue paper and slides through the printer like a dream, so I’m gonna use that instead. It’s a bit pricey, but a LOT less agita & mess.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #324 GlutenFreeJesus

Be glad she hasn’t discovered “Kimber”. Nice groupings.

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jaunte  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:27:56pm

re: #325 CuriousLurker

Sounds like that might keep your printer from getting filled with little specks of tissue lint, too.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:28:36pm

I get the idea that the white working class has it hard. However, the white working class is not the only group of people that are in the working class.

An inclusive message for the working class includes all the working class. That message includes whites just as much as any other group.

The conservative phase in reference to the economy “a rising tide lifts all boats” doesn’t help any member of the working class if their boats are tied to the dock.

Those in the white working class that can see that will come along with policies that will help the whole working class. Those that don’t want to (or cannot) see it, and only see the white working class as suffering are insufficient to build a party.

While a few tens of thousands of voters in a handful of states swung the election this time, that cannot last. Demographic shifts will kill the GOP if they do not change, and they know it (hence voter restrictions, immigrant-bashing, &c).

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:31:45pm

re: #327 jaunte

Sounds like that might keep your printer from getting filled with little specks of tissue lint, too.

Exactly—that or friggin’ glue. The printer kinda choked on a corner of the page as it was coming out. Had me worried there for a sec as that’s never a good sign. It’s not a super expensive printer (Epson Artisan 1430), but it wasn’t cheap either and it performs really great so I don’t want to screw it up.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:32:58pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

The more you insist that it’s fake, the more obvious it comes that you’re Putin’s errand boy.

I think he’s doing far more than running errands for him.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:36:38pm

re: #329 CuriousLurker

I just had an idea. Tracing paper. That may also work.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:37:08pm

re: #328 Anymouse

I get the idea that the white working class has it hard. However, the white working class is not the only group of people that are in the working class.

An inclusive message for the working class includes all the working class. That message includes whites just as much as any other group.

The conservative phase in reference to the economy “a rising tide lifts all boats” doesn’t help any member of the working class if their boats are tied to the dock.

Those in the white working class that can see that will come along with policies that will help the whole working class. Those that don’t want to (or cannot) see it, and only see the white working class as suffering are insufficient to build a party.

While a few tens of thousands of voters in a handful of states swung the election this time, that cannot last. Demographic shifts will kill the GOP if they do not change, and they know it (hence voter restrictions, immigrant-bashing, &c).

That’s the reality of it all, that the working class is not a monolithic bloc as it may have seemed even a generation ago. Significant portions of the working class are made up of minorities and that’s only set to increase as Boomers move into retirement. Not to mention that offshoring disproportionately hit a lot of industries that were traditionally seen as white-dominated, particularly manufacturing and mining. Any suggestion that the future of either political party lies in catering to the “economic anxiety” of the “white working class” is hopelessly naive at best and nakedly racist at worst.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:39:42pm

re: #331 PhillyPretzel

I just had an idea. Tracing paper. That may also work.

That’s essentially what drafting vellum is—pricey tracing paper. ;-)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:40:06pm

re: #326 Dave In Austin

Told her ignore them. lol

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BigPapa  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:42:31pm
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bratwurst  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:44:45pm

Pay your bills, nitiwit.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:46:30pm

re: #136 Botsplainer

By and large, his base doesn’t travel. They’re not interested in it, fear it, won’t spend for it and resent those who like to do it. If travel is constructed and it causes equipment allocation disruptions, they don’t care, as most of his most virulent supporters live within a 12 hour drive of Gatlinburg, Brandon and Destin - destinations they see as “truly ‘Murkan”.

When my wife and I went to Poland, after we got back was the annual town party (one week later).

We fielded a bunch of questions about Poland and our trip, of course, but a large number of people here kept asking “weren’t you scared, with ISIS running around?” (We had to explain that ISIS is not in Poland.)

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:48:36pm

re: #337 Anymouse

Inbreeding is not limited to genetics.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:50:37pm

re: #338 Romantic Heretic

Inbreeding is not limited to genetics.

Very few people travel here - not many even travel to other states (other than Wyoming since we are close to the state line and Cheyenne is the largest regional city).

The first time we went to our insurance agent here a couple years ago to get Canadian car insurance cards, it turned into a conference with all the agents and a phone call, because no one had ever tried to obtain them before.

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:52:28pm

re: #312 stpaulbear

Via JMG and The Guardian: Revealed: how US billionaire helped to back Brexit

Fucking rich people…

Are there British laws about that?

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Belafon  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:52:40pm

re: #339 Anymouse

Very few people travel here - not many even travel to other states (other than Wyoming since we are close to the state line and Cheyenne is the largest regional city).

The first time we went to our insurance agent here a couple years ago to get Canadian car insurance cards, it turned into a conference with all the agents and a phone call, because no one had ever tried to obtain them before.

Sounds like a scene out of the Truman Show.

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:54:29pm

re: #341 Belafon

Sounds like a scene out of the Truman Show.

[looking for cameras next time I go outside]

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:55:52pm

re: #342 Anymouse

[looking for cameras next time I go outside]

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Authoritarian regimes always portray their increasingly repressive policies as “protection.”

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TedStriker  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:56:59pm

re: #336 bratwurst

Pay your bills, nitiwit.

Laura Ingraham’s LifeZette Sued By AP After Site Bounces Check for Unpaid Fees and Revenue mediaite.com pic.twitter.com

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) February 26, 2017

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Anymouse  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:57:34pm
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Moebym  Feb 26, 2017 • 12:59:03pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

And since it’s in people’s nature to want to be protected from threats (real or perceived), they just accept this explanation with no further examination.

That’s how they chip away at our freedoms.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:02:43pm

re: #336 bratwurst

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:03:12pm

I wish Bernie would just go the fuck away from politics and never come back.

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Interesting Times  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:04:31pm

Fascinating article at link:

Agree with its premise?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:06:11pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:07:24pm

OK, coffee shop update since the new thread has yet to appear (that statement subject to editing before or after posting.)

The musician of the day is a no-show. I figure the musicians are sticking together, and the guy who is being frozen out of his share of the coffee shop is a musician and probably told my [not close, but long-term] friend, the no-show, what’s going on, and that he would have plenty of gigs in the future, when he reopens the coffee shop under sole ownership in April. It’s March I will have to get through by going to one of the other coffee shops, a block or less away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:10:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:11:12pm

re: #349 Interesting Times

That is basically the back story for Star Trek. There’s a Third World War in the mid 21st century that kills 600 million people and destroys many governments. Young survivors must then step up to rebuild governments and the planet itself. In 2063 first contact with the Vulcans is made and the adventure begins.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:13:15pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, what?

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TedStriker  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:14:22pm

re: #354 thedopefishlives

Wait, what?

Bill Paxton died last night/this morning, apparently from surgical complications.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:15:18pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

But remember, Hillary was the warmonger.

//////

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thedopefishlives  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:15:33pm

re: #355 TedStriker

Bill Paxton died last night/this morning, apparently from surgical complications.

Ugh. Can I just get a do-over on today?

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sagehen  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:15:44pm

re: #353 Eclectic Cyborg

That is basically the back story for Star Trek. There’s a Third World War in the mid 21st century that kills 600 million people and destroys many governments. Young survivors must then step up to rebuild governments and the planet itself. In 2063 first contact with the Vulcans is made and the adventure begins.

The “Eugenics War”, IIRC.

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wrenchwench  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:17:14pm

re: #353 Eclectic Cyborg

That is basically the back story for Star Trek. There’s a Third World War in the mid 21st century that kills 600 million people and destroys many governments. Young survivors must then step up to rebuild governments and the planet itself. In 2063 first contact with the Vulcans is made and the adventure begins.

I thought it read as rather formulaic. He takes credit for so much.

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Interesting Times  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:19:11pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

I thought it read as rather formulaic. He takes credit for so much.

Wait, who?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:19:11pm

re: #354 thedopefishlives

Wait, what?

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TedStriker  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:19:38pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Ugh. Can I just get a do-over on today?

Also, unrelated to Paxton but still on the subject of death, Chez (of the Bob & Chez Show that Charles is affiliated with) also died last night/this morning, although details on that are still pretty light.

Yeah, today sucks hard…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:19:48pm

re: #358 sagehen

The “Eugenics War”, IIRC.

The Eugenics Wars in the Star Trek timeline actually took place in the late 1990s.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:20:07pm

re: #362 TedStriker

Christ. 2017 just isn’t going to let up after the shitty-ass way 2016 ended, is it.

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wrenchwench  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:20:51pm

re: #360 Interesting Times

Wait, who?

Neil Howe, with whom I was previously unacquainted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:20:57pm

re: #362 TedStriker

Also, unrelated to Paxton but still on the subject of death, Chez (of the Bob & Chez Show that Charles is affiliated with) also died last night/this morning, although details on that are still pretty light.

And Judge Wapner.

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:21:08pm

re: #358 sagehen

The “Eugenics War”, IIRC.

The Eugenics Wars were in the mid-1990s, and the lack of said wars has since been rolled into the whole “secret war” category that scifi is fond of. After that was a sort of renaissance period that hid a lot of societal and economic issues that erupted to the surface in the 2030s. And that finally led to WWIII in the 2040s, which killed 600 million and reduced the planet to a nuclear winter.

/(geek moment)

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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:21:32pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

The man “too busy” for daily intel briefings is never too busy to get his latest unhinged rant from TV or tweets.

Fox TV is his daily briefing.

Well, that is along with the briefings he gets from other staffers that probably keep tabs on all the media and complain to Donny so he can Tweet, Tweet, Tweet.

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TedStriker  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:22:11pm

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Judge Wapner.

Yeah, him too, though Wapner was at least 97 when he kicked it; Paxton and Chez, too damn young.

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VaughnIAM  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:22:54pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker
Inkjet printing on tissue
I do it all the time and use it to decorate candles, glass, cards and just about any other surface I can think of.
I also inkjet print on fabric.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:23:59pm

Funny thing is, I just watched Apollo 13 last night totally on a lark. Never even figured one of the actors in it wouldn’t be alive the next morning.

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Varek Raith  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:24:03pm

Haha, boom.

KJB Oregon
Feb 26 * 02:11:45 PM

Maybe it’s time for the Bernie wing to reassess and restrategize. Holding their breath and flailing on the floor whenever their candidates aren’t coronated doesn’t seem to be working…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:24:05pm

in Charlottesville, VA

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wrenchwench  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:24:05pm

re: #369 TedStriker

Yeah, him too, though Wapner was at least 97 when he kicked it; Paxton and Chez, too damn young.

Last year I had the idea of celebrating the old ones who are still with us and cranking out good stuff, and then I thought, ‘That is the worst idea ever, for several reasons.’

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Targetpractice  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:25:53pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

Haha, boom.

The problem is they keep threatening to leave the party if they don’t get their way, then when they fail to get their way rationalizing why they won’t go through with their threats. Remember when we were told that if we didn’t support Bernie, then “millions” of progressives were going to abandon the DNC and go to join the Greens or create their own party?

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Varek Raith  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:27:28pm

re: #375 Targetpractice

The problem is they keep threatening to leave the party if they don’t get their way, then when they fail to get their way rationalizing why they won’t go through with their threats. Remember when we were told that if we didn’t support Bernie, then “millions” of progressives were going to abandon the DNC and go to join the Greens or create their own party?

You know what I find most ironic?
They keep harping on returning to the 50 state strategy (Which is good)
Yet, they hate Blue Dogs.
Facepalm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:31:01pm
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TedStriker  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:31:24pm

re: #371 thedopefishlives

Funny thing is, I just watched Apollo 13 last night totally on a lark. Never even figured one of the actors in it wouldn’t be alive the next morning.

Last night, here at work, we were watching Tombstone…kinda ironic, since he (as Morgan Earp) bought it in the movie not too long before he really died.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:33:31pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:35:51pm

re: #325 CuriousLurker

Follow-up for anyone who does mixed media art/journaling:

You can indeed put tissue paper through an inkjet printer, but it involves covering a regular sheet of 8.5” x 11” paper with spray craft adhesive (the kind that can be temporary or permanent, depending on how you apply it), and then using that sheet as a carrier sheet for the tissue paper. This means you have to cut the tissue paper down to size—not easy because of how light, slippery and easy to tear it is—and press it onto the carrier sheet “shiny side” down (nearly impossible to distinguish), then run it through the printer. I was able to do it, but it was a major PITA trying to unstick it. Gah.

I also happen to have some 16#, 100% cotton, professional drafting vellum that’s almost as translucent as the tissue paper and slides through the printer like a dream, so I’m gonna use that instead. It’s a bit pricey, but a LOT less agita & mess.

Curious…would using the adhesive work but instead of taking the tissue paper away from the receiver right after printing, maybe let the tissue dry out a day or two and then try to separate. Spray adhesive when only lightly sprayed on one side loses its stick after a bit of time as it tends to dry thru thin paper. After some time, it might not take much to get them apart. Just a thought.

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BeachDem  Feb 26, 2017 • 1:49:50pm

re: #375 Targetpractice

The problem is they keep threatening to leave the party if they don’t get their way, then when they fail to get their way rationalizing why they won’t go through with their threats. Remember when we were told that if we didn’t support Bernie, then “millions” of progressives were going to abandon the DNC and go to join the Greens or create their own party?

Well, they seem to be claiming total credit for Hansen’s win in Delaware—facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts.

And Perez never should have entered the DNC race because Ellison had already declared so why would anyone run against him and it was just a kick in the teeth to Berniacs and BERNIE WOULDA WON and…I’m so tired of their crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 26, 2017 • 2:06:07pm

re: #381 BeachDem

Well, they seem to be claiming total credit for Hansen’s win in Delaware—facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts.

And Perez never should have entered the DNC race because Ellison had already declared so why would anyone run against him and it was just a kick in the teeth to Berniacs and BERNIE WOULDA WON and…I’m so tired of their crap.

Hansen’s win can totally be attributed to Joe Biden, if there is credit to be awarded.


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