Trump on Rise of Antisemitic Threats and Attacks: “Sometimes It’s the Reverse”

Also refuses to take responsibility for SEAL’s death
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Here’s today’s evidence that there’s something seriously wrong with the man in the White House. Today, when asked about the recent wave of antisemitic threats and attacks across the nation (which is arguably one of the results of Trump’s legitimization and wink-and-nod approach to the far right) the Narcissist in Chief told a group of state attorneys general that “sometimes it’s the reverse.”

We have a dim-witted conspiracy theorist in charge of the nation, whose first impulse will always be to deny any responsibility rather than step up and unequivocally denounce the extremists who helped put him in office.

And this isn’t the only example of Trump’s pathological refusal to take responsibility. Today he also categorically denied any responsibility for the death of the Navy SEAL killed in his disastrous failed raid on Yemen, blaming it instead on the US military: Donald Trump Blames SEAL’s Death On Military: ‘They Lost Ryan’.

Bill Owens, the father of Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, the Navy SEAL who died in the operation, demanded an investigation into his son’s death over the weekend. Owens further revealed he couldn’t bear to meet Trump at the airport as Ryan’s casket was carried off the military plane last month.

Asked about the matter during an interview with Fox News’ “Fox ‘n’ Friends,” Trump repeatedly said “they” were responsible for the outcome of the mission, in reference to the military.

“This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:42:36am
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Citizen K  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:45:52am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just in time for them to get extra training for all those raids on weed users across the goddamn country.

We’re in for a horror show.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:46:14am

Yeah, that will really reassure our allies and help our businesses compete overseas when you’re gutting the agencies that help companies overseas and make sure that our citizens overseas are treated properly.

Not that Trump cares about how citizens are treated, not when he’s got Sessions shitting all over civil rights by declining to go after police departments that systematically abused their power and violated the rights of people stopped by police.

But you know, all that’s okay for the white folks who don’t have to worry about being stopped for walking, carrying a firearm in an open carry state, playing with toy guns in an open carry state, driving, or just being at their own home.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:47:11am

Trump says he’s not behind in agency appointments; doesn’t want to fill many “because they’re unnecessary” pic.twitter.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:48:28am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am absolutely shocked beyond belief.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:49:06am

“This was a mission that was started before I got here.”

Bull fucking shit. The Pentagon gathers intel for operations for months as a matter of course. He is the one who told them to go in, despite being warned about the risks.

This pig fucker isn’t fit to lick a private’s boots clean.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:50:09am

How ironic that I just had a “serious” conservative yesterday insisting that the White House wasn’t scapegoating anyone for Chief Owens’ death, which made it “totally different” from Benghazi.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:52:37am
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Franklin  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:52:59am

re: #7 Targetpractice

How ironic that I just had a “serious” conservative yesterday insisting that the White House wasn’t scapegoating anyone for Chief Owens’ death, which made it “totally different” from Benghazi.

But, they are scapegoating Owen’s for his own death.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:54:33am

re: #9 Franklin

“Only losers get killed. I like soldiers who don’t get killed.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:55:51am

So our troops are getting a good look at their new CinC: He’ll praise you until his bad judgment gets your buddies killed, then he’ll blame you and everybody in your command for his fuck-up.

I’m sure that’ll do wonders for morale.////

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:56:55am

And this supposed white supremacist who shot up the KC area Jewish Community Center in 2014 was a “false flag”, yes Mr. President?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 11:58:18am

.@realDonaldTrump if you are thinking of mentioning Mexico in your speech tonight, maybe you should check this out first. #ConanMexico

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:00:10pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:00:41pm
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petesh  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:01:34pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unnecessary? Huh? Please, Daddy Mister Presman, which ones? This idiot has never run any large organization and seems incapable of understanding one, let alone managing it or even delegating.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:01:51pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those uppity coons had it coming…and I know a thing or two about keeping those young bucks off the streets and away from decent law abiding white folk. They don’t call me General Beauregard for nothing! Under my watch, cops will have the power and authority they need to keep those criminals, indigents and protesters hiding at home or malingering in our jails where they belong! So mind me, boy…and you mind me well! You best keep your eyes down and say “Sir” real smart-like when an officer talks you! And officers will definitely be talking to you every day! I have my eye on you. All of you. You know who you are. You sluts with the pink hats? Scamper home and stay there if you know what’s best. You don’t want a piece of what I am about to dish out to your darkie friends, now do you?

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:02:08pm

Gerson: Tonally, Trump has given the most downbeat and negative convention speech and inaugural address in recent history. And this is for a reason. He has to create a mood of crisis to assert that his strong-hand leadership is the only answer. If he doesn’t argue that murderous illegal immigrants are flooding into the country (they aren’t), and that refugees are about to kill us all (they aren’t) and that America is a nightmare run into the ground by losers (it isn’t), how does he make his case? Every time, Team Trump has claimed that the “big speech” will be uplifting. But it can’t be if Trump is somehow the nation’s answer. So urging Trump to inspire would require a different leader. I can confidently predict that Trump will not end his speech the same way Bush did in his 2001 budget speech, with the Spanish phrase “Juntos podemos”: “Together we can.”

Trump has no intention to inspire or bring the nation together. He’s out to destroy, damage, and undermine functioning government, and so far he’s followed through. He’s picked unqualified people.

He’s unqualified. He’s also completely compromised by Russia.

But his supporters don’t care, because they hear Trump saying that Trump’s successful, and they believe his baffling BS.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:02:16pm

The Gods of War are sometimes fickle.

Any number of things can make a mission go awry: bad weather, poor intelligence, someone tipped off the target, you name it.

The military goes with the information it has, and not all missions are successful.

When the Iran rescue raid ordered by President Carter went foul, President Carter went on national television to claim responsibility for its failure: The buck stopped with him. He ordered the raid. It failed for a number of reasons, but he ordered it, as Commander-in-Chief.

I was in the Navy at the time of that raid; as an enlisted person I expected those elected to lead would accept responsibility.

The same Gods of War that went fickle for President Carter also went fickle for President Trump. I doubt we will ever learn precisely what went wrong, because this president and his Vichy collaborators in the Congress will accept responsibility for nothing.

They weave and duck, and put the blame on the military for a plan they ordered that went foul.

I am very glad I am not in the military today. This is not an administration under which I would want to serve. One that sees no responsibility for its actions when those actions go south and people die (Chief Owens and about thirty civilians who were not the target of the raid) and the destruction of a $20 million dollar aircraft.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:02:29pm

I’m trying to understand what “sometimes its the reverse” could possibly mean, and I’ve got nothing. That these are all false flags?

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:04:40pm

re: #15 Interesting Times

The ADL gave Trump the benefit of doubt before. They shouldn’t have. And this is the proof that Trump has no intention of protecting minorities, let alone Jews, from violence. In fact, Trump’s more than willing to blame Jews for the violence against them.

This is the fucker that Netanyahu cozied up with. This is the guy that a bunch of right wing Jews thought was superior to Clinton.

Trump’s busy brushing off all the old anti-Semitic tropes, and his backers are salivating at the opportunity to get in on the action too.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:04:45pm

Cillizza was one of the worst at the NYT on “Her emails raise questions!”.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:05:27pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just in case Pres. Bannon’s comments about agency heads being chosen to deconstruct wasn’t clear enough….

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Mattand  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:06:12pm

I’m absolutely convinced that Steve Bannon told Trump that if the anti-Semitic attacks came up in the Q&A to DARVO: deny and reverse victim order. This has that anti-Semitic motherfucker’s hands all over it.

Fuck this monster; everyone who voted for him; and everyone who did nothing to stop him.

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S'latch  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:06:53pm

I can’t be sure what “sometimes its the reverse” means.

However, I suspect he is accusing the victims.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:07:46pm

re: #25 S’latch

I have no idea what “sometimes its the reverse” means.

However, I suspect he is accusing the victims.

He is claiming they are false flag attacks.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:08:00pm

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m trying to understand what “sometimes its the reverse” could possibly mean, and I’ve got nothing. That these are all false flags?

I read it as “Jews do it too.”

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:08:42pm

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m trying to understand what “sometimes its the reverse” could possibly mean, and I’ve got nothing. That these are all false flags?

He’s saying that sometimes, someone does something like call in a bomb threat to make conservatives look bad, because, if one happens like that, then none of them happened.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:08:45pm

Is anyone else seeing this page not fully loading? No tweets are displaying properly including what Charles embedded in his main post.

I am on Chrome (which normally works).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:08:57pm

re: #25 S’latch

I can’t be sure what “sometimes its the reverse” means.

However, I suspect he is accusing the victims.

I think that he means it is a “false flag” operation (paid for by Soros, of course) to make him, the President (the least anti-Semitic President there has even been ) look bad in the eyes of the fickle, lying media.

It is clear to him and his supporters now what needs to be done to fix this: crack down on leftists, public protest and the press.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:09:58pm

re: #27 Anymouse

I read it as “Jews do it too.”

I have no respect for Trump. Someone should call him out tonight. What is the fucking point of spending billions more on defense if we are not going to even try and protect our own citizens?

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Mattand  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:10:03pm

re: #25 S’latch

I can’t be sure what “sometimes its the reverse” means.

However, I suspect he is accusing the victims.

I can’t even begin to parse what he means. I mean if we take it at face value, he saying that Jewish people sometimes bullied the people who caused the desecration.

That is the most logical way to look at it. Outside of my theory above, it’s entirely possible he’s trying to passive aggressively say he’s being picked on by Christ knows who.

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S'latch  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:10:28pm

I had to check my definition of False Flag

“operations designed to deceive in such a way that activities appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.”

Yes. I think that is what Trump is saying.

Since we don’t know who the vandals are, it would be reckless to rule it out.

But, since we don’t know who the vandals are, Trump is being reckless to suggest it.

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Mattand  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:11:48pm

Goddamn, at this point being a Jewish Republican is like being a Log Cabin Republican: you’re willingly being used as a tool by someone who at the end of the day despises you for simply existing.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:12:44pm

re: #28 Belafon

He’s saying that sometimes, someone does something like call in a bomb threat to make conservatives look bad, because, if one happens like that, then none of them happened.

Moreover, every claim he makes in that vein will then be used to justify something he does next.

Because by tomorrow, Drudge and SMOTI will be running “Liberals defacing graveyards and phoning bomb threats!” which will than possibly get into the actual news cycle and be reflected in a morning bowel movement tweet…which will become some sort of policy to go after liberal groups or some such.

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darthstar  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:13:15pm

If you really want to get under Trump’s skin, let him know you don’t respect him.
Or fear him.
Or think he knows what he’s fucking doing.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:13:30pm

Can I go off topic from the horror of the Trump administration to a boring tech question?

Earlier today I followed a link to an MSNBC Rachel Maddow video. The page was asking me to load a new flash player. I didn’t. Instead I found the video on YouTube and watched it there.

Ever since, my Amazon Cloud player has refused to load and play music. I’m guessing that a setting was somehow changed accidentally. I do have my computer set to block flash videos until I give permission, but I’d removed that block on my Amazon page.

Can anyone steer me to the setting that will allow me to listen to music again?

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:14:12pm

re: #33 S’latch

I had to check my definition of False Flag

“operations designed to deceive in such a way that activities appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.”

Yes. I think that is what Trump is saying.

Since we don’t know who the vandals are, it would be reckless to rule it out.

But, since we don’t know who the vandals are, Trump is being reckless to suggest it.

And since the bomb threats have happened over three weekends at places all across the country, and the cemetery attacks in two cities separated by 1,300 miles, a conspiratorial false-flag attack seems extremely unlikely (a conspiracy that vast that involves multiple targets over multiple weekends and not a peep out of any conspirator).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:15:05pm

re: #37 stpaulbear

Can I go off topic from the horror of the Trump administration to a boring tech question?

Earlier today I followed a link to an MSNBC Rachel Maddow video. The page was asking me to load a new flash player. I didn’t. Instead I found the video on YouTube and watched it there.

Ever since, my Amazon Cloud player has refused to load and play music. I’m guessing that a setting was somehow changed accidentally. I do have my computer set to block flash videos until I give permission, but I’d removed that block on my Amazon page.

Can anyone steer me to the setting that will allow me to listen to music again?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:15:05pm

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that he means it is a “false flag” operation (paid for by Soros, of course) to make him, the President (the least anti-Semitic President there has even been ) look bad in the eyes of the fickle, lying media.

It is clear to him and his supporters now what needs to be done to fix this: crack down on leftists, public protest and the press.

Blame it on Soros and start a DOJ operation, use RICO prosecutions to attack liberal groups and freeze their funds.

I am convinced this is coming at some point.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:15:10pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:15:43pm

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m trying to understand what “sometimes its the reverse” could possibly mean, and I’ve got nothing. That these are all false flags?

I think that’s exactly what he means. His enemies are doing this to try to make him look bad. What an evil fucking asshole. I see everything that he does now as WWBD. What would Bannon do?

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:16:02pm

re: #31 I Would Prefer Not To

I have no respect for Trump. Someone should call him out tonight. What is the fucking point of spending billions more on defense if we are not going to even try and protect our own citizens?

The key is in his rhetoric since getting elected: He views anybody who isn’t a drooling sycophant as “the enemy.”

You don’t think he has a divine right to rule? You’re the “enemy.”

You don’t think his every act is a masterstroke of genius that will “Make America Great Again”? “Enemy.”

You think he should be held responsible for the negative consequences of his actions, whether they be as minor as a hurt feeling or as horrific as dozens of innocents dead? “Enemy.”

The man doesn’t see you and I as citizens to protect, he sees as obstacles in his path to eternal glory.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:16:12pm

re: #37 stpaulbear

Can I go off topic from the horror of the Trump administration to a boring tech question?

Earlier today I followed a link to an MSNBC Rachel Maddow video. The page was asking me to load a new flash player. I didn’t. Instead I found the video on YouTube and watched it there.

Ever since, my Amazon Cloud player has refused to load and play music. I’m guessing that a setting was somehow changed accidentally. I do have my computer set to block flash videos until I give permission, but I’d removed that block on my Amazon page.

Can anyone steer me to the setting that will allow me to listen to music again?

I have been having huge problems with “load now flash player” issues. I kept trying to download flash and nothing ever worked. I finally gave up.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:16:24pm

Watch for Trump to spin this as a direct attack on Democracy. We need more guns (even though Texas is awash in guns, and that the victims were themselves cops - with guns).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:17:23pm

re: #34 Mattand

Goddamn, at this point being a Jewish Republican is like being a Log Cabin Republican: you’re willingly being used as a tool by someone who at the end of the day despises you for simply existing.

Or in the case of the Fundamentalist Christians, people who only see you as a means to an end: namely precipitating Armageddon and bringing about the Second Coming.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:02pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #41 MsJ

Thanks. Bummer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:02pm
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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:05pm

re: #37 stpaulbear

Can I go off topic from the horror of the Trump administration to a boring tech question?

Earlier today I followed a link to an MSNBC Rachel Maddow video. The page was asking me to load a new flash player. I didn’t. Instead I found the video on YouTube and watched it there.

Ever since, my Amazon Cloud player has refused to load and play music. I’m guessing that a setting was somehow changed accidentally. I do have my computer set to block flash videos until I give permission, but I’d removed that block on my Amazon page.

Can anyone steer me to the setting that will allow me to listen to music again?

Adobe recently released a new update to Flash. Many Websites (like MSNBC and the BBC) will not allow you to play videos unless you have the latest version of Flash Player.

You can get it directly from Adobe here:
get.adobe.com

It will only download the version needed for the browser you are using. (If you have more than one browser, you’ll need to download it with each browser.)

Make sure you follow their prompts carefully so you don’t also download other software you might not want, or reset your homepage to Yahoo or something.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:25pm

re: #29 MsJ

Is anyone else seeing this page not fully loading? No tweets are displaying properly including what Charles embedded in his main post.

I am on Chrome (which normally works).

I reloaded the page and everything came back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:44pm

re: #40 Scottish Dragon

Blame it on Soros and start a DOJ operation, use RICO prosecutions to attack liberal groups and freeze their funds.

I am convinced this is coming at some point.

If it shuts them down for a while and intimidates them, then it can considered a success.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:18:45pm

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

Moreover, every claim he makes in that vein will then be used to justify something he does next.

Because by tomorrow, Drudge and SMOTI will be running “Liberals defacing graveyards and phoning bomb threats!” which will than possibly get into the actual news cycle and be reflected in a morning bowel movement tweet…which will become some sort of policy to go after liberal groups or some such.

If they can’t find evidence, they’ll manufacture it to push their worldview. See also “Pizzagate.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:20:45pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surprising that Trump would assume that female Governors are in same-sex marriages.//

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:20:48pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Asked why the president also singled out people’s daughters, the Oregon governor had no idea and tried to think of a reason: “I did not meet any sons there?”

Maybe he was looking for daughters he could invite back later for some quality grabbing…

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:20:51pm

Edit: this is totally standard mentality one finds among people who identify as neo-Nazis enough to be on Daily Stormer. The point here isn’t that Trump and his people got it from there…it’s that they share the same mentality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:20:58pm
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Major Tom  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:21:16pm

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m trying to understand what “sometimes its the reverse” could possibly mean, and I’ve got nothing. That these are all false flags?

He’s pivoting from blame by scaring the public into believing there are professional liberal agitators out there framing conservatives.

Soon these “professional liberal agitators” may set fire to something important (or create a large-scale violent incident) that is seen as a disruption of public order that needs to be tamped down.

Seriously, this is reading like bad fiction.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:22:00pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:23:08pm

re: #57 Major Tom

He’s pivoting from blame by scaring the public into believing there are professional liberal agitators out there framing conservatives.

Soon these “professional liberal agitators” may set fire to something important that is seen as a disruption of public order that needs to be tamped down.

And the heads of this grand conspiracy against him and his supporters are Obama and Soros, though I’m sure he also believes that Hillary’s shadowy hand is also there. He’s already reached the level of paranoia that it took Nixon years in politics to reach.

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Major Tom  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:24:35pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

And with the way he communicates with his supporters, all has has to do is throw these accusations out there in broad strokes that fit this preexisting racist narrative and his mindless minions fill in the gaps on their own.

With how crazy this all has been, who is to say if he is instructing them with dog whistles at this point.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:26:42pm

re: #57 Major Tom

He’s pivoting from blame by scaring the public into believing there are professional liberal agitators out there framing conservatives.

Soon these “professional liberal agitators” may set fire to something important that is seen as a disruption of public order that needs to be tamped down.

Funny how the “Soros pays them $1500 a week” has become unassailable fact in their sealed universe. Easy step from that to “criminal conspiracy to engage in violence and terrorism”.

Again, don’t just bother with the truth that the claims are bizarrely untethered from reality…notice that the claims will be used to justify a policy that would be predicated on them being real, even though they are not.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:27:23pm

re: #55 bratwurst

Edit: this is totally standard mental illness one finds among people who identify as neo-Nazis enough to be on Daily Stormer. The point here isn’t that Trump and his people got it from there…it’s that they share the same mental illness.

It’s not an illness.

Racism is a choice. It is a choice to hate.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:27:33pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

And the heads of this grand conspiracy against him and his supporters are Obama and Soros, though I’m sure he also believes that Hillary’s shadowy hand is also there. He’s already reached the level of paranoia that it took Nixon years in politics to reach.

He claimed today that Obama has organized a nationwide protest and illegal leak conspiracy.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:28:21pm

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

He claimed today that Obama has organized a nationwide protest and illegal leak conspiracy.

Despite firing all of President Obama’s people within his first week.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:28:54pm

re: #58 Kragar

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Scaramucci is scum.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:29:24pm

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

He claimed today that Obama has organized a nationwide protest and illegal leak conspiracy.

As he gets more and more unhinged, his accusations will get wilder and wilder, until he starts hoping that the people’s army will come save him.

Our job is not to be afraid of him, but to keep pushing him to act crazier than the previous day. Maybe we should reply to Trump’s tweets with just laughter.

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:29:54pm

re: #62 Anymouse

It’s not an illness.

Racism is a choice. It is a choice to hate.

Good point. I do not wish to insult mentally ill people by comparing them to racists, etc.

I changed my post to say that Trump and his lackeys share the same mentality as users of Daily Stormer.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:30:54pm

re: #66 Belafon

As he gets more and more unhinged, his accusations will get wilder and wilder, until he starts hoping that the people’s army will come save him.

Our job is not to be afraid of him, but to keep pushing him to act crazier than the previous day. Maybe we should reply to Trump’s tweets with just laughter.

I see what you are getting at, but he has thousands of armed federal agents who will be implementing his tweets on people who bleed when violent things are done to them.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:31:12pm

re: #61 Scottish Dragon

Funny how the “Soros pays them $1500 a week” has become unassailable fact in their sealed universe. Easy step from that to “criminal conspiracy to engage in violence and terrorism”.

Again, don’t just bother with the truth that the claims are bizarrely untethered from reality…notice that the claims will be used to justify a policy that would be predicated on them being real, even though they are not.

See also Arizona’s failed attempt to criminalise organisers of protests when an act of property crime or violence occurs somewhere in the vicinity, regardless of whether that act was related to a protest.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:32:23pm

Reminder:

Trump has used anti-Semitic tropes before. He will continue to do so. He surrounded himself with anti Semitic bigots like Bannon. He regularly tweeted white supremacist crap during the campaign.

His biggest and loudest supporters are white supremacists who got the green light to go all in with their bigotry.

Trump’s not changing. This is who he is.

And yes, he can be an anti-Semitic bigot even if his daughter converted and married a Jewish guy. It just makes the whole thing even worse - because he should know better but doesn’t care.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:32:55pm

re: #53 Big Beautiful Door

Surprising that Trump would assume that female Governors are in same-sex marriages.//

+100

There ought to be a button you can use once a year here that does that.

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electrotek  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:34:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:34:08pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:34:11pm

More here at the NYT on the new power in federal agents:

By all accounts, Gen. John Kelly was a fine Marine. He served with Gen. James Mattis, now the secretary of defense, and was seen as being in the Mattis mold — a low-key, prudent, rigorous thinker. So it is with surprise that I see Mr. Kelly, in his new role as secretary of Homeland Security, presiding over a ham-handed crackdown on immigrants.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are operating aggressively under President Trump, feeling, as The New York Times reported, “newly emboldened” and “newly empowered.” Officials’ use of detention powers is widening, with some people being held who have no criminal history at all. The government raids often are conducted around dawn, to catch people as they leave for work. The uniformed agents are wearing body armor and carrying semiautomatic weapons. The morning raids and the military appearance may not be new developments, but they are especially worrisome when ICE and Customs and Border Protection, domestic law enforcement agencies, are overseen by a former general.

And there definitely seems to be recklessness in the way Homeland Security is operating. In recent days, agents have taken a woman with a brain tumor out of a hospital, almost deported a distinguished French scholar flying into Houston to deliver a university lecture and scared the daylights out of an Australian children’s author who vowed after the experience never to visit the United States again.

This isn’t being done solely to foreigners. The son of the boxer Muhammad Ali, a citizen, was questioned upon arriving in Florida from Jamaica about his religion, which would seem to be a clear violation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of religious freedom. And passengers on a domestic flight from San Francisco to New York were required to show their identity documents to customs officials because ICE thought a person with a deportation order might be on the plane.

For people who witnessed the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, such an aggressive stance is all too familiar. Over the weekend, Brandon Friedman, a former officer in the 101st Airborne Division, questioned on Twitter why Homeland Security officers were operating without constraints. He added, “In the military, it happens to aggressive units with poor leaders.” Erin Simpson, a political scientist who worked on strategic assessments for the United States military in the Afghan war, added in another tweet that the federal agents seem to enjoy “near impunity.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:35:16pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:35:45pm

re: #66 Belafon

As he gets more and more unhinged, his accusations will get wilder and wilder, until he starts hoping that the people’s army will come save him.

Our job is not to be afraid of him, but to keep pushing him to act crazier than the previous day. Maybe we should reply to Trump’s tweets with just laughter.

We’re going to have lots of new ammo after the SOTU speech this evening.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:35:54pm

re: #21 lawhawk

In fact, Trump’s more than willing to blame Jews for the violence against them.

I don’t see where he is blaming Jews.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:35:55pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:37:30pm

The way that this administration is working swiftly to unlimber LEO from any restrictions against violations of civil rights, I suspect it won’t be long before we start hearing about DOJ investigations into “liberal elements” (or whatever Orwellian term they dream up) who are threatening his efforts to “protect” America. Don’t even have to reach back to the Reich for precedent, we can stop as recent as the Civil Rights Era, when many conservatives were absolutely convinced that the movement was being supported and funded by “communist elements” and used that to justify all sorts of civil rights violations.

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Citizen K  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:37:47pm

re: #74 Scottish Dragon

More here at the NYT on the new power in federal agents:

And if the attitudes since the travel ban was enacted is any indication, the CBP literally will only answer to Trump and Trump alone while they seek to treat any immigrant they come across like a literal monster

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:37:49pm

re: #74 Scottish Dragon

More here at the NYT on the new power in federal agents:

ICE agents = Ice age gents. (Apologizes to the tiny proportion of female agents.)

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:38:18pm

re: #50 makeitstop

I reloaded the page and everything came back.

Not me. It’s seriously fucked up now. When I reload it takes me back to the main page.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:38:55pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

It looks like my Rep. Betty McCollum is in that picture (on the right just below the tree). Yay Betty.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:38:56pm

re: #29 MsJ

Is anyone else seeing this page not fully loading? No tweets are displaying properly including what Charles embedded in his main post.

I am on Chrome (which normally works).

Same problem here.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:39:38pm

re: #77 Nyet

I don’t see where he is blaming Jews.

Since the attacks are presumably being committed by antisemites against Jews, “sometimes it’s the reverse” could be taken to mean they’re being staged by Jews. As usual, Trump is incoherent enough to leave himself an excuse that he didn’t really mean that, but I see why some people are taking it that way.

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austin_blue  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:39:46pm

re: #3 lawhawk

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Yeah, that will really reassure our allies and help our businesses compete overseas when you’re gutting the agencies that help companies overseas and make sure that our citizens overseas are treated properly.

Not that Trump cares about how citizens are treated, not when he’s got Sessions shitting all over civil rights by declining to go after police departments that systematically abused their power and violated the rights of people stopped by police.

But you know, all that’s okay for the white folks who don’t have to worry about being stopped for walking, carrying a firearm in an open carry state, playing with toy guns in an open carry state, driving, or just being at their own home.

Wasn’t it funding cuts to the State Department that resulted in fewer security personnel for Ambassadors and staff, and resulted in incidents like, oh, I don’t know…

BENGHAZI???

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:40:08pm

re: #84 Nyet

Same problem here.

Back to normal just now.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:40:41pm

Twitter’s having some issues with embedded tweets, probably because of the Amazon cloud problems.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:41:01pm

re: #74 Scottish Dragon

More here at the NYT on the new power in federal agents:

Trump doesn’t need to violate Posse Comitatus, he just militarizes the LEO branches that aren’t under the DoD command by putting ex-generals in charge and then uses them to enforce his will.

It’s like watching a cyberpunk novel become reality.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:41:04pm

re: #77 Nyet

I don’t see where he is blaming Jews.

He said when asked about attacks on Jewish cemeteries and bomb threats against Jewish centres, “Sometimes it’s the reverse.”

To me anyway it sounds like sometimes “Jews do it too.”

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:41:08pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

ICE agents = Ice age gents. (Apologizes to the tiny proportion of female agents.)

You could use ‘goons’. It’s more gender neutral. ;)

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:41:15pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Since the attacks are presumably being committed by antisemites against Jews, “sometimes it’s the reverse” could be taken to mean they’re being staged by Jews. As usual, Trump is incoherent enough to leave himself an excuse that he didn’t really mean that, but I see why some people are taking it that way.

He is quoted as saying: “Sometimes it’s the reverse, to make people - or to make others - look bad”. So what he is saying is repeating Scaramucci’s CT that the left did it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:41:44pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Twitter’s having some issues with embedded tweets, probably because of the Amazon cloud problems.

I read something a couple of hours ago that indicated about 60% of the internet is being impacted.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:42:10pm

re: #90 Anymouse

He said when asked about attacks on Jewish cemeteries and bomb threats against Jewish centres, “Sometimes it’s the reverse.”

To me anyway it sounds like sometimes “Jews do it too.”

More like “sometimes the left does it to make the right look bad”.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:43:25pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

ICE agents = Ice age gents. (Apologizes to the tiny proportion of female agents.)

Amongst a whole lot of other things, ICE Agents anagrams to:

Scat Genie

new.wordsmith.org

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:43:53pm

Every time you bump into a nest of Holocaust deniers on twitter you’re likely to bump into a flat-earther.

☇☇Charles☇☇
@drewwood30
USMC veteran broken free from govt school indoctrination, WW2 truth, flat earth, against the white holocaust, awoken to the Jewish control matrix and holohoax

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:44:30pm

re: #92 Nyet

He is quoted as saying: “Sometimes it’s the reverse, to make people - or to make others - look bad”. So what he is saying is repeating Scaramucci’s CT that the left did it.

“People” could translate to “left.” People could also translate to “Jews” (a false flag attack on their own cemeteries).

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:44:47pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Twitter’s having some issues with embedded tweets, probably because of the Amazon cloud problems.

It works on my phone but not my computer.

Twitter works fine on both.

FYI.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:44:55pm

re: #78 Anymouse

‘It’s Politics’: Trump says Obama is behind protests and ‘possibly’ the leaks
— Fox News

I see. So there are hundreds of positions in the federal government you aren’t bothering to fill because they’re unnecessary or something but it’s Obama holdovers throughout those positions that are leaking your shit?

///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:44:58pm

re: #69 Anymouse

See also Arizona’s failed attempt to criminalise organisers of protests when an act of property crime or violence occurs somewhere in the vicinity, regardless of whether that act was related to a protest.

That was just an attempt to intimidate and shut down dissent and protest.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:45:49pm

I know that the angrywhstaffer twitter account is controversial…but this is interesting.

Remember the big story yesterday that Spicer ordered no notice raids on West Wing staff phones to see if people had erasable private chat apps?

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:46:47pm

re: #97 Anymouse

“People” could translate to “left.” People could also translate to “Jews” (a false flag attack on their own cemeteries).

Occam’s razor says he meant the left.

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S'latch  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:47:23pm

re: #70 lawhawk

That’s a classic Trump quote.
Trump considers himself a good negotiator, and in his mind, that is a Jewish trait.
This is why some have called Trump an antisemite’s idea of what a Jew is.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:47:23pm

From the mind of a trump supporter…aged 7 just like his president.

The result of this thread (which is a breakoff from other threads).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:48:23pm

re: #102 Nyet

Occam’s razor says he meant the left.

I do understand it as “false flag attacks”, but that leaves open the question of who is behind such attacks….people with a grudge and lots of money…hmmm, who could that be?

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:48:54pm

re: #91 stpaulbear

You could use ‘goons’. It’s more gender neutral. ;)

That’ll work, as soon as ICE starts calling them ‘agegoons’. ;)

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:49:09pm

re: #101 Scottish Dragon
I put the comment behind a private tag because it was so long. If you don’t want to bother with it, you can leave it unread.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:49:42pm

re: #102 Nyet

Occam’s razor says he meant the left.

With all the “international Jew” attacks (George Soros, &c), I presume the dog whistle has multiple meanings.

Hate liberals? It could mean that.
Hate jews? It could mean that.

One thing Trump is good at, it’s not being clear.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:49:50pm

re: #102 Nyet

Occam’s razor says he meant the left.

That’s what I thought at first, but like I posted above, the ADL isn’t too happy about the remarks.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:50:14pm

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do understand it as “false flag attacks”, but that leaves open the question of who is behind such attacks….people with a grudge and lots of money…hmmm, who could that be?

It could become antisemitic if he meant SOROS!!1, but since he didn’t mention him we can’t be mind-readers.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:50:46pm
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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:50:56pm

re: #102 Nyet

He barely knows what he means most of the time so your confidence that you certainly do in this instance seems a little too generous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:51:49pm

re: #108 Anymouse

With all the “international Jew” attacks (George Soros, &c), I presume the dog whistle has multiple meanings.

Hate liberals? It could mean that.
Hate jews? It could mean that.

One thing Trump is good at, it’s not being clear.

And being unclear in a manner that gets his point across clearly to his supporters while leaving him plenty of room for deniability when confronted about it.

He might be clueless about governing, but he is a master manipulator of press and public opinion.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:52:10pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:52:28pm

re: #109 Interesting Times

That’s what I thought at first, but like I posted above, the ADL isn’t too happy about the remarks.

They’re not happy because it means that Trump doesn’t care about finding the actual culprits, using this as a political ploy to blame his opponents, which is outrageous in its own right. It really has no bearing on whether he meant Jews (which is improbable, to put it lightly).

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:52:37pm

re: #102 Nyet

Occam’s razor says he meant the left.

As far as the right is concerned, there isn’t much space between the left and Jews.

I assumed he meant anyone who could use the opportunity to blame anti-Semites and the Trump administration, which could include Jews. I bet if you asked, he wouldn’t deny the possibility.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:54:48pm

Uh-oh, vets not happy with Trump’s claim the military was responsible for Chief Owen’s death.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:55:27pm

re: #112 JordanRules

He barely knows what he means most of the time so your confidence that you certainly do in this instance seems a little too generous.

No, I’m just being realistic. I mean, maybe he could have meant aliens from the reverse universe, you can’t 100% exclude it. That he would blame Jews in this context to the Jewish AG? Sorry, I hate Trump but not to the irrational point where I would accept that as possibility anywhere equal to him blaming the left. Plus his adviser put that CT in clear terms: “maybe” the Dems did it.

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nines09  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:56:25pm

re: #74 Scottish Dragon

Always been leery of LEO. Had friends become cops and Troopers. Met a fair share who were not a head case. Met far too many who were. That shield sometimes, in the wrong hands and mind, becomes a symbol of “imma fuck you up.” Dress them up all dark, with chrome and vests and all the gingerbread like spray and taze and cuffs and sappers…and you have a fucking nightmare brewing. “Guess what, Bobby? We can get those fuckers now!” Who? “YOU KNOW!” Dress this guy in black and watch the wigs split.

Think I saw this movie when soldiers wore green and cops were not militarized….
Hello trouble…

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:56:28pm

re: #115 Nyet

They’re not happy because it means that Trump doesn’t care about finding the actual culprits, using this as a political ploy to blame his opponents, which is outrageous in its own right. It really has no bearing on whether he meant Jews (which is improbable, to put it lightly).

Why is it improbable since he has a whole staff of anti-Semites?

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:58:45pm

These people should change their name to “Friends of Trump”

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:59:12pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:59:38pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

The way that this administration is working swiftly to unlimber LEO from any restrictions against violations of civil rights, I suspect it won’t be long before we start hearing about DOJ investigations into “liberal elements” (or whatever Orwellian term they dream up) who are threatening his efforts to “protect” America. Don’t even have to reach back to the Reich for precedent, we can stop as recent as the Civil Rights Era, when many conservatives were absolutely convinced that the movement was being supported and funded by “communist elements” and used that to justify all sorts of civil rights violations.

That is exactly what the Arizona GOP was planning in targeting protest organizers as criminal “racketeers.”

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 12:59:42pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Why is it improbable since he has a whole staff of anti-Semites?

This comment is really no more informative than “His daughter and grandkids are Jewish so he cannot be an antisemite”.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:01:02pm

re: #121 bratwurst

Uggh. I wish they would just go away, but I’m sure there’s some good grifting going on.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:01:19pm

re: #119 nines09

Always been leery of LEO. Had friends become cops and Troopers. Met a fair share who were not a head case. Met far too many who were. That shield sometimes, in the wrong hands and mind, becomes a symbol of “imma fuck you up.” Dress them up all dark, with chrome and vests and all the gingerbread like spray and taze and cuffs and sappers…and you have a fucking nightmare brewing. “Guess what, Bobby? We can get those fuckers now!” Who? “YOU KNOW!” Imagine this dude with black leather and boots and a couple more stones in his sling at his disposal.

Think I saw this movie when soldiers wore green and cops were not militarized….
Hello trouble…

Like this photo with the cops looking like something out of a sci fi dystopic nightmare?

Putting people into bulked out military gear does increase aggression. Giving cops military rifles and military uniforms while telling them they are ‘warriors’ means you end up with an army of occupation instead of a peace force that protects.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:01:28pm

re: #92 Nyet

He is quoted as saying: “Sometimes it’s the reverse, to make people - or to make others - look bad”. So what he is saying is repeating Scaramucci’s CT that the left did it.

Which, in the ears of the alt-right, is the same as “the Jews did it.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:02:06pm

re: #119 nines09

Always been leery of LEO. Had friends become cops and Troopers. Met a fair share who were not a head case. Met far too many who were.

Considering the weaponized and readily violent state of a large share of the public they have to police, I think that some of these guys develop a permanent case of pre- and post-traumatic stress disorder.

That is not any sort of excuse or justification for excessive behavior, just a comment on a possible reason why there are so many head cases among them

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:03:00pm

re: #124 Nyet

This comment is really no more informative than “His daughter and grandkids are Jewish so he cannot be an antisemite”.

It was a question. It was not meant to be informative, it was meant to elicit an answer.

So let me try another question, which you probably won’t like.

Why is it so hard to believe it was an anti-Semitic remark? Particularly in light of the fact it came only hours after Daily Stormer posted the same thing, and his account has retweeted memes and remarks from them before?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:03:14pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Why is it improbable since he has a whole staff of anti-Semites?

Nyet is just being Mr Logic here…a tool that is of little use in understanding or combating the Trump administration.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:03:52pm

re: #127 Big Beautiful Door

Which, in the ears of the alt-right, is the same as “the Jews did it.”

And in the ears of other people is not the same.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:05:07pm

re: #126 Scottish Dragon

Like this photo with the cops looking like something out of a sci fi dystopic nightmare?

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Putting people into bulked out military gear does increase aggression. Giving cops military rifles and military uniforms while telling them they are ‘warriors’ means you end up with an army of occupation instead of a peace force that protects.

Or this

Tucson Police Chief Magnus believes officers “handled the situation well.”

Here’s an 86 yo woman pushed to ground.

Then the cop pepper sprayed the bystanders.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:05:33pm

re: #126 Scottish Dragon

Like this photo with the cops looking like something out of a sci fi dystopic nightmare?

[Embedded content]

Putting people into bulked out military gear does increase aggression. Giving cops military rifles and military uniforms while telling them they are ‘warriors’ means you end up with an army of occupation instead of a peace force that protects.

The Wire - This drug thing, this ain’t police work.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:05:46pm

re: #118 Nyet

Illegal aliens!?!? Might be likely for him and his buddy Alex Jones too. LOL

136
electrotek  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:07:09pm

Failing Quebec’s Muslims

One month after a Trump supporting Quebecois man shot dead 6 worshipers, seems like not much has changed in the province.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:07:26pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:07:41pm

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nyet is just being Mr Logic here…a tool that is of little use in understanding or combating the Trump administration.

That’s kinda the point: if you don’t understand Trump so far as to seriously propose he was blaming Jews here, you just don’t understand him. And understanding is important.

And if you think combating Trump by throwing a kitchen sink of halftruths on him is gonna work… well, good luck with that.

139
Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:08:39pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t have a choice != a choice

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:08:42pm

re: #129 Anymouse

Why is it so hard to believe it was an anti-Semitic remark?

Because there is no evidence for it?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:09:14pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

Or this

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Then the cop pepper sprayed the bystanders.

That was fucking inexcusable…and I know the people at policeone have no end of excuses for it.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:10:05pm

Police routinely blame and criminalize the very same blacks that they victimized so I’m probably predisposed to that possibility.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:11:14pm

re: #138 Nyet

That’s kinda the point: if you don’t understand Trump so far as to seriously propose he was blaming Jews here, you just don’t understand him. And understanding is important.

And if you think combating Trump by throwing a kitchen sink of halftruths on him is gonna work… well, good luck with that.

It has been a successful tactic so far: utter something unclear that is quite clear to his target audience (bigots and anti-Semites) while vague enough to allow him to dodge or repudiate any criticism voiced at him over the purported intent of the remark and turn things back on the attackers.

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:11:24pm
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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:13:08pm

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:13:22pm

re: #134 Timothy Watson

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Video

I never saw that scene before. Wow.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

re: #140 Nyet

Because there is no evidence for it?

Read the string of anti-Semitic vitriol about this tweet and get back to me about “no evidence.”

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:14:58pm
149
FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:15:07pm

That’s a whole lot of incoherent babble…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:15:38pm

sometimes a dog whistle is exactly that: a dog whistle.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:15:48pm

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sure, but that does not bring us step closer to establishing that the intended meaning had anything to do with Jews (rather than the left, as his adviser explicitly stated). His TA are not specifically the DailyStormer Nazis (although they are a part of his TA).

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:16:20pm

re: #145 MsJ

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JD: Help us rescue Keith!!

Keith: We need to work together.

JD: Keith, shut up and join our side!

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:16:32pm
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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:16:55pm

re: #151 Nyet

Sure, but that does not bring us step closer to establishing that the intended meaning had anything to do with Jews (rather than the left, as his adviser explicitly stated). His TA are not specifically the DailyStormer Nazis (although they are a part of his TA).

His Twitter guy during the campaign put out the meme with the piles of money and a Star of David to smear Hillary Clinton on Daily Stormer, but okay, if you say so.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:17:43pm

re: #147 Anymouse

Read the string of anti-Semitic vitriol about this tweet and get back to me about “no evidence.”

[Embedded content]

Hmm, I have read it and must conclude that you still got no evidence.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:17:56pm

re: #140 Nyet

Because there is no evidence for it?

Allow me to illuminate the possibilities…

Trump will always leave the anti Semitic door open for his Pepe meme base.

Always.

He will claim a veneer of deniability, but the door will always fucking remain open. That is why he refuses to acknowledge the shooting of those two engineers last week. If someone in his base commits a terror act, it gets thrown down the memory hole and it never happened.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:18:00pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart

That’s a whole lot of incoherent babble…

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Not a chance in hell I’ll be watching. Not one single chance. There’s a better chance I’ll win back-to-back Powerball drawings.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:18:25pm

re: #140 Nyet

Because there is no evidence for it?

I just remembered how he treated the Jewish reporter who first asked about the bomb threats. His overall attitude toward the issue seems to be a bizarre, pissy defensiveness.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:18:45pm

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:18:54pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:19:16pm

re: #154 Anymouse

If we were discussing some third party, like his twitter guy, then you would have a point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:19:29pm

re: #151 Nyet

Sure, but that does not bring us step closer to establishing that the intended meaning had anything to do with Jews (rather than the left, as his adviser explicitly stated). His TA are not specifically the DailyStormer Nazis (although they are a part of his TA).

His TA (and the people who helped elect him) are bigots, racists, Islamophones, xenophobes and anti-Semites everywhere, not just the blatant, organized ones.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:19:52pm

re: #157 MsJ

Not interested in losing any brain cells or getting my pressure up this evening. That’s a hard no from moi!

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

re: #158 Interesting Times

I just remembered how he treated the Jewish reporter who first asked about the bomb threats. His overall attitude toward the issue seems to be a bizarre, pissy defensiveness.

Don’t say ‘pissy’ !

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:20:11pm
166
b.d.  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:20:58pm

I can only imagine how Trump would react tonight if a Dem. played the Joe Wilson ” YOU LIE!” card.

Not to say that I’d want to see it happen now………

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:21:59pm

re: #8 Kragar

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Why are these fucktards smiling? “No more clean water, YEAH!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:22:27pm

re: #121 bratwurst

These people should change their name to “Friends of Trump”

[Embedded content]

LOL, that’s not happening, guys.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:22:32pm

re: #163 JordanRules

Not interested in losing any brain cells or getting my pressure up this evening. That’s a hard no from moi!

That’s what Twitter and LGF are for. I get all the info with none of the Trump derp.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:22:44pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:22:48pm

re: #166 b.d.

I can only imagine how Trump would react tonight if a Dem. played the Joe Wilson ” YOU LIE!” card.

Not to say that I’d want to see it happen now………

I hope, instead of “Hail to the Chief,” they play this as he walks in:

Russia National anthem Russian & English lyrics

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:23:33pm

re: #169 MsJ

That’s what Twitter and LGF are for. I get all the info with none of the Trump derp.

How do you avoid the Trump derp on Twitter?

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:23:35pm

re: #155 Nyet

scroll, scroll, scroll…

This is becoming very boring.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:23:53pm

re: #166 b.d.

I can only imagine how Trump would react tonight if a Dem. played the Joe Wilson ” YOU LIE!” card.

Not to say that I’d want to see it happen now………

I’d love to see the Dems treat his applause lines as punch lines and laugh and laugh at him throughout the entire address.

It won’t happen, but imagine if it did.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:24:04pm

re: #166 b.d.

I can only imagine how Trump would react tonight if a Dem. played the Joe Wilson ” YOU LIE!” card.

Not to say that I’d want to see it happen now………

You don’t have to. That’s precisely what *I* want to see. One “You Lie!” to compare and contrast reactions of the hypocritical hordes.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:24:55pm

re: #172 Anymouse

How do you avoid the Trump derp on Twitter?

Don’t follow the man himself, or his fans. That, plus liberal muting will give you a tolerable feed.

After the election, for a short time, my feed was all puppies and kitten pictures.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:25:09pm

re: #175 MsJ

You don’t have to. That’s precisely what *I* want to see. One “You Lie!” to compare and contrast reactions of the hypocritical hordes.

Or, they shout out live fact checks to every assertion he makes :D

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:25:34pm

re: #174 makeitstop

I think he would absolutely lose it if they kept laughing at him. Nuclear.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:25:54pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Why are these fucktards smiling? “No more clean water, YEAH!

Joe Manchin dared his base to vote him out after his vote for the jackass Scott Pruitt.
washingtonpost.com

He called Republicans’ refusal to hold a hearing on Obama Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland horrible.

But he blew up when an activist criticized his vote for new Environmental Protection Agency Director Scott Pruitt.

“I believe basically what Barack Obama did to our state was a crime,” said Manchin, referring to the Obama administration’s environmental regulations. “You’re not going to change me on that.”
When the protesters pressed on, Manchin gave them a choice. “You want me to stand in front of you and have people scream,” he said. “What you ought to do is vote me out. Vote me out! I’m not changing.”

“Is that a threat or an invitation?” asked one activist.

“It’s an invitation. You ought to,” said Manchin. “We’re on different pages … this is the problem in Washington. Everybody wants to fight continuously without finding a way forward. Yelling doesn’t bother me. I think we can all make a fool out of ourselves if we want to.”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:25:55pm

I don’t know if this has any chance to do anything meaningful, but it’s interesting to watch.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:26:29pm

re: #172 Anymouse

How do you avoid the Trump derp on Twitter?

I have more than 900 people I follow. I don’t get random Trump bots in my timeline. Art least not without mostly appropriate commentary.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:26:55pm

re: #176 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Don’t follow the man himself, or his fans. That, plus liberal muting will give you a tolerable feed.

After the election, for a short time, my feed was all puppies and kitten pictures.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:27:02pm

John McCain thinks Trump isn’t proposing a big enough increase in defense spending.

vox.com

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KerFuFFler  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:27:03pm

re: #117 Anymouse

Uh-oh, vets not happy with Trump’s claim the military was responsible for Chief Owen’s death.

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Thehttp://huffingtonpost.com? administration is characterizing the operation primarily as a mission to gather intelligence on al Qaeda, and considers it “highly successful,” according to White House press Secretary Sean Spicer. “We gathered an unbelievable amount of intelligence that will prevent the potential deaths or attacks on American soil,” Spicer said Feb. 8.

If the administration really thinks the op was a great success then why are they not taking credit for it? They know it was a big fuck-up and that is why they are blaming it on Obama and the military.

Trump signed off on this mission just a week into office assuming that he could swank about projecting strength and leadership. Then it blew up in his face. Turns out Obama must have had his reasons for not green-lighting the mission…..

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:28:49pm

re: #177 Interesting Times

Or, they shout out live fact checks to every assertion he makes :D

I’m quite sure a lot of live fact checking will need going on. Externally.

Internally, as in inside the house, I want to hear laughter. That will drive Trump off script which is always amusing.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:28:54pm

re: #184 KerFuFFler

If the administration really thinks the op was a great success then why are they not taking credit for it? They know it was a big fuck-up and that is why they are blaming it on Obama and the military.

Trump signed off on this mission just a week into office assuming that he could swank about projecting strength and leadership. Then it blew up in his face. Turns out Obama must have had his reasons for not green-lighting the mission…..

They’re trying to play it both ways: “The raid was an awesome success because we got so much useful intel, but Obama and the generals are responsible for Chief Owens’ death!”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:29:01pm

re: #182 Anymouse

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I’m about ready for Negan to have an accidental space/time rip send him over to Westeros where he can say something fucked up to Arya Stark and get his face ripped off to add to her collection.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:30:02pm

re: #185 MsJ

I’m quite sure a lot of live fact checking will need going on. Externally.

Internally, as in inside the house, I want to hear laughter. That will drive Trump off script which is always amusing.

Fox News and the wingnut wurlitzer will go fucking nuts also.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:30:25pm

I suspect I’m gonna be repeating this quote often over the next four years:

“There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:30:38pm

re: #183 Big Beautiful Door

John McCain thinks Trump isn’t proposing a big enough increase in defense spending.

vox.com

If John McCain flew the F35, you’d definitely need a bigger budget.

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b.d.  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:32:10pm

re: #177 Interesting Times

Or, they shout out live fact checks to every assertion he makes :D

re: #185 MsJ

I’m quite sure a lot of live fact checking will need going on. Externally.

Internally, as in inside the house, I want to hear laughter. That will drive Trump off script which is always amusing.

re: #178 JordanRules

I think he would absolutely lose it if they kept laughing at him. Nuclear.

I would say that they should throw rotted fruit and vegetables up there but they might hit Ryan or Pence.

Wait…..that’d be ok too.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:33:26pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

I stole that.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:33:31pm

Is someone lined up to do the Democratic response to the SOTU? Hopefully someone who can do a better job than Jindal and Rubio’s responses to Obama?

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:34:08pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

Allow me to illuminate the possibilities…

[Embedded content]

Trump will always leave the anti Semitic door open for his Pepe meme base.

Always.

He will claim a veneer of deniability, but the door will always fucking remain open. That is why he refuses to acknowledge the shooting of those two engineers last week. If someone in his base commits a terror act, it gets thrown down the memory hole and it never happened.

There is a difference between his staffer posting this (it’s unclear that Trump himself ever got the dog whistle) and him telling the Jewish AG, looking him in the eye, that “the Jews did it” about this particular event, with nothing to gain for it, when there is a much more likely and simple explanation. It’s just not “smart” - not in the intellectual way, mind you, but not “street smart”.

Basically those who insist on this make him from an old white bigot who is clearly uncomfortable around Jews (the Jewish reporter, etc.) into a full-blown David Duke and so far there haven’t been signs of that as far as Jews are concerned. And he doesn’t really hide his feelings when it comes to it (see all the stuff he openly said about Muslims).

I think some may be falling into “possible therefore probable” fallacy here. That there is a sliver of such a possibility here doesn’t mean that one can run with it now.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:34:46pm

re: #176 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Don’t follow the man himself, or his fans. That, plus liberal muting will give you a tolerable feed.

After the election, for a short time, my feed was all puppies and kitten pictures.

This. I have a couple of lists that have nothing to do with him. When it all gets to be too much, I just go hang out in one of them.

I also do a LOT of preemptive blocking, though not nearly as much as I used to. I think I got rid of most of the worst ones, and I seem to have automagically blocked others (either I forgot I blocked them, or Twitter is doing it based on other’s I’ve blocked.

People can also share their block list with you. I keep an updated list of LGF users, but it isn’t public.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:37:57pm

re: #173 stpaulbear

scroll, scroll, scroll…

This is becoming very boring.

Truth is often boring, so some stick with fantasy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:38:19pm

Since the DNC won’t just sit out the SOTUS, I suggest they do exactly what the GOP did much of the last 8 years: Sit there in stony silence. Don’t clap, don’t cheer, don’t laugh, don’t do anything but occupy seats. Hell, if you want to really dig in the knife, look as if you’ve got something better to be doing. Read your text messages, bring a book, chat with the guy next to you, do anything but give Trump the satisfaction of your attention. Because that’s what he wants, to be the center of attention tonight and for the next 4-8 years. Do everything you can to deny him that, because it will drive him wild with indignation.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:40:19pm

re: #194 Nyet

The guy he ‘looked into the eyes’ said he didn’t know what he meant.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:40:46pm

So, because self-care continues to be important, I went for a long run today. My first long run since vacation.

And because I am eyeing a half marathon on March 26, I thought I should do 10 miles. For the first time since I ran the half.

And then I decided it was an excellent day to switch from a 3/1 run/walk ratio to a 4/1 ratio.

Maybe a better plan would have been do have done these one at a time, but I did have a 12:01 minute pace over the 10 miles so that wasn’t bad. And the flooding is down to just the normal spot, which has been flooded since mid-January.

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Interesting Times  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:40:53pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Since the DNC won’t just sit out the SOTUS, I suggest they do exactly what the GOP did much of the last 8 years: Sit there in stony silence. Don’t clap, don’t cheer, don’t laugh, don’t do anything but occupy seats. Hell, if you want to really dig in the knife, look as if you’ve got something better to be doing.

Imagine if they all started doing this?

How To Knit: The Pussy Hat Project

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Major Tom  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:40:57pm

re: #171 Interesting Times

I hope, instead of “Hail to the Chief,” they play this as he walks in:

[Embedded content]

Video

приходят слушать великолепный замечательного президента лидера и лучшего друга Дональда Трампа!

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scottslemmons  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:40:59pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Since the DNC won’t just sit out the SOTUS, I suggest they do exactly what the GOP did much of the last 8 years: Sit there in stony silence. Don’t clap, don’t cheer, don’t laugh, don’t do anything but occupy seats. Hell, if you want to really dig in the knife, look as if you’ve got something better to be doing. Read your text messages, bring a book, chat with the guy next to you, do anything but give Trump the satisfaction of your attention. Because that’s what he wants, to be the center of attention tonight and for the next 4-8 years. Do everything you can to deny him that, because it will drive him wild with indignation.

Play board games. That’d be hilarious.

Or bingo. Or Trump Bingo. At some point in the speech, someone yells Bingo after his card gets the right number of Crazy Trump Quirks, then all the Dems give the guy $20 each. :)

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:42:29pm

re: #198 JordanRules

The guy he ‘looked into the eyes’ said he didn’t know what he meant.

Logically, we’ll assume the worst then. /

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austin_blue  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:42:31pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Since the DNC won’t just sit out the SOTUS, I suggest they do exactly what the GOP did much of the last 8 years: Sit there in stony silence. Don’t clap, don’t cheer, don’t laugh, don’t do anything but occupy seats. Hell, if you want to really dig in the knife, look as if you’ve got something better to be doing. Read your text messages, bring a book, chat with the guy next to you, do anything but give Trump the satisfaction of your attention. Because that’s what he wants, to be the center of attention tonight and for the next 4-8 years. Do everything you can to deny him that, because it will drive him wild with indignation.

Or spend the entire time droning “yada yada yada”.

I expect those actually watching the shit show will hear absolutely nothing of substance and a continuous stream of generalities and derp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:44:05pm

re: #193 stpaulbear

Is someone lined up to do the Democratic response to the SOTU? Hopefully someone who can do a better job than Jindal and Rubio’s responses to Obama?

Former Gov. Steve Beshear of Kentucky

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:44:09pm

I think we should weigh the possibility that there is no specific “they” being referenced.

This is a person who’s vindictive, views all activity as about him, and constantly feels attacked. On top of which, he’s very engaged with conspiracy thinking, and conspiracy logic.

He also gullible, prone to repeating back what others say, and surrounded by people who are encouraging this behavior, many of whom have the same traits.

Who is they? Whoever his mind has rested on at that moment. The amorphous body of people that he resents. Whatever he’s heard most recently from Bannon or Jones. Whatever group he thinks kicking will get him the most applause.

Not that this makes it any better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:44:43pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

Former Gov. Steve Beshear of Kentucky

also Immigration activist Astrid Silva

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:45:55pm

re: #203 Nyet

Logically, we’ll assume the worst then. /

Out of this administration? The guy who said he didn’t know David Duke when he clearly did? Who wouldn’t renounce him? Who hired Steve Bannon as a “campaign CEO?” Who has people like Ann Coulter and Richard Spencer throwing Nazi salutes at his rallies?

Yeah, I’ll assume the worst. (Right after they came for the Jews in Germany, they came for my family in Poland. I ain’t stupid, I know what anti-Semitism is when I see it, and I am an atheist.)

Magic balance fairy argument: Well, we don’t know what he “really” meant, it could be anything. Bored now.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:46:15pm

If anyone’s interested, Bob and Chez has posted up.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:46:16pm

re: #204 austin_blue

Or spend the entire time droning “yada yada yada”.

I expect those actually watching the shit show will hear absolutely nothing of substance and a continuous stream of generalities and derp.

My prediction is tonight will be a replay of last week: A very long campaign speech where Trump talks out his ass about how awesome his “win” was, how all the reports about his stumbles and falls are “fake news” ginned up by a media that hates him, how the protests are really paid for and the “real” people love him deeply, and then moving on to a lot of empty air about how he’s gonna fix all of America’s problems because he is Trump and he can do whatever the fuck he wants because nobody will stop him. Expect a lot of Republicans to look uncomfortable and even miserable while still making sure to clap at all the intended points.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:46:40pm

re: #203 Nyet

Just a little casual Steve Bannon hiring, no condemnation giving bigotry. Not the real good stuff. Fa sho, fa sho. \

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:46:43pm

re: #158 Interesting Times

I just remembered how he treated the Jewish reporter who first asked about the bomb threats. His overall attitude toward the issue seems to be a bizarre, pissy defensiveness.

“Don’t bother me with your whiny Jew whining. Don’t you have coins to go sniff or something? Sheesh, you people and your whining!”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:47:14pm

Personal OT:

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:47:22pm

re: #208 Anymouse

Yeah, I’ll assume the worst.

You are free to make irrational decisions.

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451_Montag  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:47:44pm

How about someone shouting out “You lie”…… But in Russian?

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:48:28pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

also Immigration activist Astrid Silva

En español, ¿sí?

I need a keyboard with those ‘special characters’…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:48:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:48:56pm
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:49:36pm

re: #215 451_Montag

How about someone shouting out “You lie”…… But in Russian?

Ты врешь!

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:50:08pm

His remark that he likes hiring Jewish accountants because “they’re good with money” I’m sure has nothing to do with his view of Jews.

“I have black guys counting my money. I hate it. The only guys I want counting it are Jews”

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:50:43pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Reminder:

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Trump has used anti-Semitic tropes before. He will continue to do so. He surrounded himself with anti Semitic bigots like Bannon. He regularly tweeted white supremacist crap during the campaign.

His biggest and loudest supporters are white supremacists who got the green light to go all in with their bigotry.

Trump’s not changing. This is who he is.

And yes, he can be an anti-Semitic bigot even if his daughter converted and married a Jewish guy. It just makes the whole thing even worse - because he should know better but doesn’t care.

This is the police. Those calls are coming from inside the White House!

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451_Montag  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:50:51pm

re: #219 Nyet

Ты врешь!

I couldn’t say that, even without the truly epic hangover I’ve been nursing all day!

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:50:51pm

Maybe the Democrats can acquire some of those Trump flags from CPAC.

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DuckDharma  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:51:05pm

A few days ago people were also sure Miller was doing the secret Nazi gang signs in the White House that the ADL said was nonsense.

Trump has pretty consistently and desperately been blaming nebulous “opponents” committing crimes trying to get him bad press. It started with the rash of violence against Muslims immediately after the election.

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:51:44pm

re: #121 bratwurst

These people should change their name to “Friends of Trump”

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So the Young Turks could take $4 million+ from Buddy Roemer and remain “pure” but Ellison, an elected Democrat, can’t serve on the DNC and maintain any purity. Got it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:51:49pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

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So again, the FBI knew weeks to months ahead of Election Day that there was something to the accusations that the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Russians…but Comey kept it quiet while allowing rogue agents to file for a warrant with total BS and then handing the October Surprise to the GOP on a silver platter by sending a letter to Chaffetz knowing he’d go public with it almost immediately.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:52:18pm

re: #220 Anymouse

His remark that he likes hiring Jewish accountants because “they’re good with money” I’m sure has nothing to do with his view of Jews.

Even in Alabama, that’s a twofer.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:52:22pm

re: #214 Nyet

You are free to make irrational decisions.

You are free to be blind.

First they came for the Jews and all… .

By the way, I couldn’t go to Stutthof Concentration Camp in Gdansk to see the place where a great portion of my family died when my wife and I were in Poland. I couldn’t do it because it would simply be too hard.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:52:29pm

re: #213 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:53:00pm

re: #220 Anymouse

His remark that he likes hiring Jewish accountants because “they’re good with money” I’m sure has nothing to do with his view of Jews.

You would have to ignore that it fits the antisemitic stereotype tying Jews and finances to claim this though.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:53:07pm

re: #215 451_Montag

How about someone shouting out “You lie”…… But in Russian?

That would make me laugh.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:54:25pm

re: #228 Anymouse

You are free to be blind.

I am, for sure, though I choose not to.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:54:30pm

re: #206 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

That said…as a narcissist playing to a crowd, Trump is ultimate example of how vanity resolves the dichotomy of cynicism and fanaticism.

He’ll believe whatever rewards his base assumptions, and completely re-invest as his needs require.

He’s going to keep doubling down on conspiracy stuff: it feeds his ego directly, but also indirectly through his loyal followers. If the latter keep rewarding him, he’ll more further in their direction. Not that this will come out, necessarily, as public declarations.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:56:51pm

re: #213 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Personal OT:

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:57:07pm

re: #230 Nyet

You would have to ignore that it fits the antisemitic stereotype tying Jews and finances to claim this though.

Correct. And that claim was used to perpetrate pogroms on Jews - including Nazi Germany and Russia.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:57:11pm

To yell or not to yell (at Trump tonight). I get it, we don’t want to look bad. But why are the halls of congress Donald Trumps personal safe space. What would be so wrong about someone standing and walking out, or quietly holding up a sign asking for an investigation into his Russian connections? Democracy is messy. Trump deserves all the respect he has earned,l and that’s not much. I’m frustrated, people are being attacked and Trump is silent.

/rant

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 1:59:27pm

re: #235 Anymouse

Correct. And that claim was used to perpetrate pogroms on Jews - including Nazi Germany and Russia.

Correct. It is also the claim that bigoted old guys often repeat without a second thought.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:00:08pm

re: #225 BeachDem

So the Young Turks could take $4 million+ from Buddy Roemer and remain “pure” but Ellison, an elected Democrat, can’t serve on the DNC and maintain any purity. Got it.

They’re hypocritical hacks. I’ve had it with Cenk and the rest of these types’ self-righteous bullshit.

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:00:30pm

re: #173 stpaulbear

scroll, scroll, scroll…

This is becoming very boring.

After following these for a few to several years, they can become quite entertaining. Can.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:00:36pm

Well, since today is Pączki Day, needz moar Guinea Pigz:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:01:56pm
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Mike Lamb  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:02:02pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And slaves were “pioneers” of 100% employment.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:02:11pm

re: #237 Nyet

Correct. It is also the claim that bigoted old guys often repeat without a second thought.

Yup, bigots against Jews. And now we have one as President, surrounded by similar bigots who want a race/religious war.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:03:13pm

re: #240 Anymouse

Well, since today is Pączki Day, needz moar Guinea Pigz:

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Any day ending in Y is a good day for guinea pigs!

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:03:27pm

re: #237 Nyet

And then they can and do hire anti-Semites and not speak out against wide-spread vandalism against Jewish sites.

I guess maybe the casual old bigot will do it tonight.

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:03:50pm

re: #240 Anymouse

Well, since today is Pączki Day, needz moar Guinea Pigz:

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I used my Guinea Pig stamp on my rent check’s envelope today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:04:20pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bit of spackle, lick of paint…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:04:31pm

I don’t think this speech tonight is a SOTU. It’s an address to congress.

Correct?

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:04:47pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

After following these for a few to several years, they can become quite entertaining. Can.

Life’s too short.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:14pm

Guys, who is giving the response tonight on the Dem side?

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:18pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

I don’t this this speech tonight is a SOTU. It’s an address to congress.

Correct?

Yes.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:24pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Holy crap, that’s an absolute wreck.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:33pm

re: #249 stpaulbear

Life’s too short.

Everyone uses it differently. I often take the opportunity to post funny tweets, cat pictures, personal OT shit, etc. :)

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:05:38pm

re: #194 Nyet

Oh FFS...I don’t have to say HE is David Duke…I merely have to observe that he knows that an energized portion of his voting base are Nazis and spread Nazi memes and he will never antagonize them!

Remember when he refused to denounce David Duke? Remember how he has never acknowledged the thousands of Nazi Pepe memes made in his image and to support his campaign? Remember last summer when he was caught retweeting fake statistics from a neo Nazi website and his sons spread memes and tweets from neo Nazis?

This is not an accident. He had to be dragged into saying that defacing Jewish graves was a bad thing by repeated reporter questions, and he has refused to say anything about the wave of hate crimes after his election.

So even if he is not actually anti Semitic, he sure as fuck refuses to say anything bad about his voters who are.

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:06:02pm

re: #249 stpaulbear

Life’s too short.

But the days are long (here in the bike shop in February).

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:06:08pm

re: #243 Anymouse

Yup, bigots against Jews.

Sure, on the unfortunately common enough “everyday” level of bigotry (same one that claims that Poles have a penchant for thievery and Russians are usually drunks), not on the “claim that Jews desecrate their own cemeteries to make me look bad” level.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:06:30pm

…but if I were a betting man, I’d put my money on “liberals” with a smaller side bet on “Barack Obama and his shadow legion.”

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:07:07pm

re: #255 Scottish Dragon

He had to be dragged into saying that defacing Jewish graves was a bad thing by repeated reporter questions, and he has refused to say anything about the wave of hate crimes after his election.

So even if he is not actually anti Semitic, he sure as fuck refuses to say anything bad about his voters who are.

Never disputed that.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:07:21pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

I don’t this this speech tonight is a SOTU. It’s an address to congress.

Correct?

Address to a Joint Session of Congress. I don’t think the first one by a new president is usually called a SOTU, per se.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:08:32pm

re: #253 makeitstop

Holy crap, that’s an absolute wreck.

I’m not a civil engineer nor do I play one at LGF, but it would appear that they might just need to build a new spillway and close this one off for good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:08:39pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Guys, who is giving the response tonight on the Dem side?

former Kentucky governor Steve Beshear and immigration activist Astrid Silva

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:09:15pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

former Kentucky governor Steve Beshear and immigration activist Astrid Silva

Thanks.

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wrenchwench  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:10:02pm

Time to flip the CD and get back to work. Wait, that’s albums that get flipped. And fingers. I’ll put on the James Taylor one more time.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:10:09pm

re: #255 Scottish Dragon

Oh FFS.This is not an accident. He had to be dragged into saying that defacing Jewish graves was a bad thing by repeated reporter questions, and he has refused to say anything about the wave of hate crimes after his election.

So even if he is not actually anti Semitic, he sure as fuck refuses to say anything bad about his voters who are.

Silence is acceptance.

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makeitstop  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:10:41pm

re: #261 Anymouse

I’m not a civil engineer nor do I play one at LGF, but it would appear that they might just need to build a new spillway and close this one off for good.

I’d say so. (Also not an engineer, but damn.)

The amount of damage between a couple of weeks ago and today is crazy.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:10:56pm

re: #261 Anymouse

The repair to that side of the dam is going to be epic, and I wonder if the spillway should just be rebuilt to follow that route anyway.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:11:03pm

re: #257 Nyet

Sure, on the unfortunately common enough “everyday” level of bigotry (same one that claims that Poles have a penchant for thievery and Russians are usually drunks), not on the “claim that Jews desecrate their own cemeteries to make me look bad” level.

Continuum.

In the next couple days I’ll be burying a Jew. When I was down to $5 and what I could carry in one hand, he put me up. That is, he saved my life.

Oddly, he was very very good with money.

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austin_blue  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:11:27pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wrecked. Comprehensively wrecked.

Is Oroville an Army COE dam or a Cal State dam? That looks like >$50 million to fix, easy.

Someone is going to be out of some real money.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:11:33pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

former Kentucky governor Steve Beshear and immigration activist Astrid Silva

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if ICE were to drag Ms. Silva out of the speech and deport her.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:12:42pm
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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:12:47pm

Interesting insights from his daughters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:13:03pm

Perfect to have a DREAMER give the response. Honestly, as much as I like Kaine, perhaps a Hispanic running mate would have been the better move in hindsight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:14:00pm

re: #271 FormerDirtDart

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It’s definitely odd. I don’t remember Bush condemning the anti-Iraq protests. I mean obviously he didn’t agree with them but I don’t remember anything coming out of the Bush WH condemning the protests.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:14:21pm

re: #269 austin_blue

Wrecked. Comprehensively wrecked.

Is Oroville an Army COE dam or a Cal State dam? That looks like >$50 million to fix, easy.

Someone is going to be out of some real money.

It is a California state dam.
en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:14:44pm

Got busy working on some web code, but I saw some of the bullshit in the last thread regarding Jeff Sessions.

Someone needs to tackle that little racist fucker and put a gas mask on him and pump in some nice mellow pot and get that fucker high. Maybe it would loosen his tight white ass up some. And it is not just his thinking on pot…it’s on everything.

Damn, damn, damn, Trump and his fucking clan are tearing this country up. They are all bold ass liars and can’t face the public and be straight with anyone.

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austin_blue  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:15:53pm

re: #275 Anymouse

It is a California state dam.
en.wikipedia.org

Ouch, that’ll leave a mark.

And thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:15:54pm

re: #276 ObserverArt

Got busy working on some web code, but I saw some of the bullshit in the last thread regarding Jeff Sessions.

Someone needs to tackle that little racist fucker and put a gas mask on him and pump in some nice mellow pot and get that fucker high. Maybe it would loosen his tight white ass up some. And it is not just his thinking on pot…it’s on everything.

Damn, damn, damn, Trump and his fucking clan are tearing this country up. They are all bold ass liars and can’t face the public and be straight with anyone.

You mean his remarks about Dominicans? But yeah as much as his sentiments about pot bother me, it’s Sessions’ bigotry that bothers me more. Even Nixon and Reagan had more sense than to put someone that bigoted in charge of DOJ.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:16:14pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:16:42pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Perfect to have a DREAMER give the response. Honestly, as much as I like Kaine, perhaps a Hispanic running mate would have been the better move in hindsight.

I still believe Julian Castro would have been a better pick, but I can see why she went with Kaine. He’s a likable guy with a fairly solid liberal record, he’s got a strong reputation here in VA, and his past work as a lawyer fighting redlining made his appeal to minority voters evident. Problem simply was that VA wasn’t the battleground that Hillary needed to win.

My hope is that Castro will be throw his hat into the ring in 3 years, whether as a presidential contender or as a VP candidate.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:17:05pm

re: #272 JordanRules

Somewhat surprising that they had that recognition at all (about the money being the blood money etc.).

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:17:42pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

I don’t this this speech tonight is a SOTU. It’s an address to congress.

Correct?

Yeah but I’m pretty sure the difference is just in what we call it, that technically a SoTU can only be given by a President who has been in office for a year or more.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:18:10pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

It’s definitely odd. I don’t remember Bush condemning the anti-Iraq protests. I mean obviously he didn’t agree with them but I don’t remember anything coming out of the Bush WH condemning the protests.

I don’t remember the WH directly attacking the protests, but I remember a lot of surrogates doing it instead. The suggestions that protestors and any Democrats who supported them were “unpatriotic” and even “anti-American” were rife among the conservative elite during the 00s.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:18:59pm

re: #280 Targetpractice

I still believe Julian Castro would have been a better pick, but I can see why she went with Kaine. He’s a likable guy with a fairly solid liberal record, he’s got a strong reputation here in VA, and his past work as a lawyer fighting redlining made his appeal to minority voters evident. Problem simply was that VA wasn’t the battleground that Hillary needed to win.

My hope is that Castro will be throw his hat into the ring in 3 years, whether as a presidential contender or as a VP candidate.

Right, you know me, I like Kaine and you’re right, he has a great Civil Rights record. I do think you’re right about Julian running. I’d definitely give him a look.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:19:10pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

He’ll use pot criminalization as a tool for his racist agenda which is why it’s so scary to me.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:19:26pm

re: #269 austin_blue

Wrecked. Comprehensively wrecked.

Is Oroville an Army COE dam or a Cal State dam? That looks like >$50 million to fix, easy.

Someone is going to be out of some real money.

The wash out portion looks like it is worn down to crystalline basement rock, although I cannot tell for sure from the photo. If that is the case, your best bet may be to stabilize and reinforce the sediment above and reconstruct the spillway to go in the direction the water wants to go. If you are on non porous metamorphic basement, you have something a lot firmer to work on although you have real work ahead to deal with the up-slope portion that will try to slide down into the chasm.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:19:29pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

I don’t remember the WH directly attacking the protests, but I remember a lot of surrogates doing it instead. The suggestions that protestors and any Democrats who supported them were “unpatriotic” and even “anti-American” were rife among the conservative elite during the 00s.

Yeah good point about that one.

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JordanRules  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:19:48pm

re: #281 Nyet

I was a bit surprised as well.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:20:03pm

So the WH just now condemns the Kansas shooting.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:20:47pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

So the WH just now condemns the Kansas shooting.

Mighty white of them.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:20:49pm

I could really use someone to walk my dogs this evening.
I don’t think I’ve missed an evening “walkies” in almost 11 and a half years

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:21:15pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

Mighty white of them.

Yep cowards.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:21:15pm

re: #272 JordanRules

Interesting insights from his daughters.

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Politico is getting the stories these days.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:21:49pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Yeah but I’m pretty sure the difference is just in what we call it, that technically a SoTU can only be given by a President who has been in office for a year or more.

There is nothing in the Constitution about giving a State of the Union speech at all (Washington simply sent reports to Congress every year). It’s mostly semantics.

The State of the Union address normally tells where the country is at and what the President’s priorities are for the coming year. I presume those will be something about how the media is really the Lügenpresse and his rallies get bigger every time he holds one, stuff like that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:23:11pm

As I recall, past addresses were written down and read to Congress. I think the modern way of doing it started in the Wilson years if memory serves.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:23:18pm

re: #289 JordanRules

I was a bit surprised as well.

Are we the bad guys?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:23:52pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Yeah but I’m pretty sure the difference is just in what we call it, that technically a SoTU can only be given by a President who has been in office for a year or more.

Well, we’ll see if he says, “The State of the Union is fucked up”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:25:09pm

re: #284 gocart mozart

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Cillizza as usual misses the point by a mile. The affront Conway committed wasn’t to the Office of the President, it was to the HBCU leadership that were forced to assemble and kowtow before Trump. In order to ensure that their Colleges and Universities remained eligible for the student loan money they need to survive they swallowed their dignity and allowed themselves to be used in that cheap photo op. They dressed up, stood up, and paid their respects to a man who only deserves their contempt. And while they were being paraded before the world in this abject display of humiliation Kellyanne saw fit to show them, and everyone, exactly how much respect and decorum she thought they were due.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:25:31pm

re: #295 Anymouse

There is nothing in the Constitution about giving a State of the Union speech at all (Washington simply sent reports to Congress every year). It’s mostly semantics.

The State of the Union address normally tells where the country is at and what the President’s priorities are for the coming year. I presume those will be something about how the media is really the Lügenpresse and his rallies get bigger every time he holds one, stuff like that.

It’s going to be a long campaign speech, because that’s all he’s proven capable of giving. He won’t go into details about any of his proposals, but will stop at “They’ll be great, believe me!” Be on the lookout for a very loud suggestion that any who don’t support his agenda are not simply his enemies, but enemies of “the American people.” And the preemptive blaming of any failures of his on said enemies.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:26:38pm

So I just found out about this but I think it’s cool and in case there were any other Lizards who wanted to join in, there’s a free virtual race being sponsored by the British Science Assocation called Run the Solar System. It uses the technology for the zombies running app that I normally run with to deliver a narrated experience as you run (or walk).

Just thought I’d share. :) I’m thinking I’m going to run it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:27:12pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

Cillizza as usual misses the point by a mile. The affront Conway committed wasn’t to the Office of the President, it was to the HSBCU leadership that were forced to assemble and kowtow before Trump. In order to ensure that their Colleges and Universities remained eligible for the student loan money they need to survive they swallowed their dignity and allowed themselves to be used in that cheap photo op. They dressed up, stood up, and paid their respects to a man who only deserves their contempt. And while they were being paraded before the world in this abject display of humiliation Kellyanne saw fit to show them, and everyone, exactly how much respect and decorum she thought they were due.

Ayep, the same crowd that went bugfuck insane over a selfie at a funeral think sitting on your ass and treating these men like little more than props is nothing to remark upon.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:27:36pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

This photo is so typical “Trump presidency”.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:27:40pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

Mighty white of them.

White House Condemns Olathe Shooting Hours after FBI Announces Hate Crime Investigation (Goes to the Kansas City Star)

Profiles in courage.

You know, in the Navy we were always told about leadership: You can’t push a string.

(more at the link):

Hours after the FBI announced it is investigating a triple shooting at an Olathe bar as a hate crime, a spokeswoman for President Donald Trump condemned the attack.

The attack left Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32, dead.

Kuchibhotla’s Garmin co-worker Alok Madasani, of Overland Park, and bystander Ian Grillot were wounded in the shooting around 7:15 p.m. Wednesday at Austins Bar & Grill near 151st Street and Mur-Len Road. Kuchibhotla and Madasani are from India.

The FBI confirmed earlier Tuesday that it is investigating the shooting as a hate crime.

According to The Hill, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters Tuesday that Trump condemned the shooting as an “act of racially motivated hatred.”

“The president condemns these and any racially and religiously motivated attacks,” Huckabee Sanders said.

Read more here: kansascity.com

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:27:53pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Yeah but I’m pretty sure the difference is just in what we call it, that technically a SoTU can only be given by a President who has been in office for a year or more.

But he’s already accomplished more than any president in history!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:28:07pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:28:25pm

re: #286 JordanRules

He’ll use pot criminalization as a tool for his racist agenda which is why it’s so scary to me.

“We make the weeds illegal, then we use it to go after the neegras! Tee hee!”
“You’re so devious, Racism Elf!”

This whole administration is like Archie Bunker’s Revenge.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:28:25pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

Mighty white of them.

Literally.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:28:45pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

So the WH just now condemns the Kansas shooting.

Link?

Edit - saw it.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:29:56pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

After he spends the first 15 minutes recounting his huge election win and the 25 million people who were at his inauguration.

Then he’ll move on to plugging his hotels.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:29:57pm

re: #304 Anymouse

White House Condemns Olathe Shooting Hours after FBI Announces Hate Crime Investigation (Goes to the Kansas City Star)

Profiles in courage.

You know, in the Navy we were always told about leadership: You can’t push a string.

(more at the link):

Yeah, imagine my surprise that the same crowd who spent 8 years bitching constantly that Obama wouldn’t call such acts “what they really are” and lambasting the White House for responding to inquiries about such events with “we’re not rushing to judgment”…now suddenly can’t find it in themselves to speak up until after the FBI has.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:31:26pm

re: #292 FormerDirtDart

I could really use someone to walk my dogs this evening.
I don’t think I’ve missed an evening “walkies” in almost 11 and a half years

Well, no one miraculously appeared, and the beasts are sitting here giving me the “what’s the plan Stan?” stares
So, it’s off we go…

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:31:30pm

re: #269 austin_blue

Wrecked. Comprehensively wrecked.

Is Oroville an Army COE dam or a Cal State dam? That looks like >$50 million to fix, easy.

Someone is going to be out of some real money.

Good thing the whole “State of Jefferson” thingie is stalled in Butte County or things could be truly dismal.
/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:31:38pm

You know, I’ve yet to see any on the left actually OUTRAGED!!! by Kellyanne’s Couch Crouch, her Sofa Faux Pas, her Davenport Disgrace…

What I’ve seen is mostly ridicule.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:33:04pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

Yeah, imagine my surprise that the same crowd who spent 8 years bitching constantly that Obama wouldn’t call such acts “what they really are” and lambasting the White House for responding to inquiries about such events with “we’re not rushing to judgment”…now suddenly can’t find it in themselves to speak up until after the FBI has.

Smarter than many voters.
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:37:26pm

re: #284 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

The comrades at DPRK have their own rather strident take on it. A lot of RWNJ commenters take this for the real thing.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:39:02pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:42:17pm
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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:42:50pm

When I was in grad school I briefly dated a young lady who was the assistant manager of the “American Sonoma” shop near campus.

I wonder what she is up to these days.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:42:53pm

re: #314 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, I’ve yet to see any on the left actually OUTRAGED!!! by Kellyanne’s Couch Crouch, her Sofa Faux Pas, her Davenport Disgrace…

What I’ve seen is mostly ridicule.

I’m not outraged. I find it distasteful. I would be outraged if someone “sat” on my couch in my house in that fashion; really, shoes on the couch? No.

What does piss me the fuck off is the hipocrisy. Obama gets slammed for wearing rolled up shirt sleeves, having his feet on the desk. And I can only imagine the OUTRAGEOUS outrage had Michelle sat on the couch that way. That is what angers me.

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Anymouse  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:45:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:48:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:48:53pm

re: #319 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

When I was in grad school I briefly dated a young lady who was the assistant manager of the “American Sonoma” shop near campus.

I wonder what she is up to these days.

Hey, at least nobody said, “Taladega Ale? Is that some kinda Southern microbrew?”

The Older Boy’s Girlfriend works for William’s Snowman.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:51:58pm

re: #320 MsJ

I’m not outraged. I find it distasteful. I would be outraged if someone “sat” on my couch in my house in that fashion; really, shoes on the couch? No.

What does piss me the fuck off is the hipocrisy. Obama gets slammed for wearing rolled up shirt sleeves, having his feet on the desk. And I can only imagine the OUTRAGEOUS outrage had Michelle sat on the couch that way. That is what angers me.

But, you know, “It’ll be great to have some CLASS back in the White House!”

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:52:18pm

OMG! So sweet!

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ausador  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:52:43pm

Trump: My Generals are the best Generals, they are smart and impressive. The top Generals to ever general in the entire history of Generalism. They aren’t like that last guy’s Generals who were all losers, sad, it’s sad how our armed services were led by losers and incompetents before I was elected.

Reporter: But Mr. President…the military command staff hasn’t changed, you’re talking about the same Generals that President Obama had…

Trump: More fake news from the liberal mainstream media, they are MY Generals now and that makes them better and smarter than they ever could be with other guy in charge…

Reporter: …..

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thedopefishlives  Feb 28, 2017 • 2:55:21pm

re: #326 ausador

They are MY generals, I bought and paid for them with the Russians’ my own hard-earned money!

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:05:18pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

holy shit!

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gocart mozart  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:12:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:48:25pm

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2017 • 3:55:19pm

re: #284 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

The simple fact is that this is a totally contrived “controversy” born of some people’s blind hatred for Conway

HURR HURR FAT UGLY LIBTARD WOMYNS ONLY HATES KELLYANNE BECAUSE SHE IS TEH THINNER & MOAR BEAUTIFUL THEN THEY ARE!!!!11!!!!!


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