The Bob & Chez Show: Goodbye

Saying farewell to a friend and partner
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In today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show, Bob Cesca says goodbye to his friend and partner Chez Pazienza, who died on February 25, 2017.

I never met Chez in person, but we shared space on the podcast a few times when I was a guest, and I was always impressed with his humor and his intelligence. I was shocked and greatly saddened to hear of his death, and I offer my deepest sympathies to Bob and to Chez’s family.

Goodbye: NOT SAFE FOR WORK; Bob talks candidly about Chez’s passing and his legacy. The show WILL go on. New episodes will resume on Tuesday 3/7.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:02:02am

(reposting from downstairs)

Great obituary of sorts from Ben Cohen on Chez Pazienza:

In Memory of Chez Pazienza, The Writer I Always Wished I Could Be

…He is survived by countless friends, both his parents, his fiancee, and two daughters — one of whom, Inara, is only 8 years old. He has left the Banter at a time when America needed his voice the most, and has left the internet a less intelligent, less interesting place.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:03:39am

Relevant to everyone’s interests:

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:06:08am

Great photo.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:06:23am

I listen to the podcast on my way home from work whenever a new one is released. I was very shocked and saddened by Chez’s passing. I only knew him as a voice across disembodied space and he mattered to me.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:07:02am

re: #2 Lidane

Relevant to everyone’s interests:

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Twitter giving the option to mute eggs, but not those who spew hate speech like David Duke.

So, a banhammer for all new accounts (whether they are hateful or not), but not for the real violators of Twitter’s supposed terms-of-service.

Got it. Money matters.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:07:57am

I never got around to listening to the show. But as someone who has lost a friend suddenly before, I feel your and everyone else who enjoyed Chez. My deepest condolonces to those who loved him. He sounds like he was a great guy who left us far oto early.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:07:59am

re: #2 Lidane

This is good - but simply removing them from your view doesn’t really solve the trolling problem. They can still use these accounts to organize harassment pile-ons, etc. The difference now is that you won’t even see it happening. Not sure this is really an improvement.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:08:55am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

It’s a start. I’d rather see them start banning people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:10:34am
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:11:41am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:13:36am

Disney reveals its first gay character

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:14:13am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:15:44am

There have been other gay Disney characters:
Jafar
Scar
Ratcliffe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:16:26am

Rating: False

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:17:08am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Disney reveals its first gay character

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I expect the usual suspects to freak out.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:17:56am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

They’re already getting pummeled over the character, and they should.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:18:46am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rating: False

Doesn’t matter. It’s going to become a tenet of RW truth that DWS and Ellison didn’t stand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:19:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:19:39am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Disney reveals its first gay character

Between the Christian boycott and international tourists staying away because of stricter customs controls, attendance at Disney World is going to be way down.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:19:50am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh now you like CNN.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:20:45am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I expect the usual suspects to freak out.

If Lefou is gay what does that make Gaston? He wouldn’t follow Gaston around all the time unless he thought there would be some reciprocation, would he? And Gaston enjoys the attention, it would be more typical of his character to be a homophobe.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:20:58am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

This is good - but simply removing them from your view doesn’t really solve the trolling problem. They can still use these accounts to organize harassment pile-ons, etc. The difference now is that you won’t even see it happening. Not sure this is really an improvement.

And will it be so hard to update the programming on the bots to simply change the avatar picture?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:22:18am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rating: False

But the lie got halfway round the world before the truth got its pants on.

Someone needs to post it to #goldstarfamily and #goldstarfamilies since wingnuts are swarming those Twitter hashtags with that lie.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:22:33am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

If Lefou is gay what does that make Gaston? He wouldn’t follow Gaston around all the time unless he thought there would be some reciprocation, would he? And Gaston enjoys the attention, it would be more typical of his character to be a homophobe.

I honestly don’t know. I’m hoping when my niece sees the movie, she wants to read and be independent minded because of Belle. Her favorite movie right now is Moana which I’ve heard is awesome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:24:17am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rating: False

The biggest insult was thinking that a Stalinistic clapfest is the appropriate way to honor a grieving widow. Of course the clapfest was really for Mango Shitgoblin, she was just the excuse for his own narcissistic display.

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gocart mozart  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:25:05am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:28:59am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:30:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:31:07am

We cannot blame (some) people for just wanting a normal President and for projecting those wishes onto what they see on TV…

But for the rest who know better, fuck ‘em.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:31:38am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

The biggest insult was thinking that a Stalinistic clapfest is the appropriate way to honor a grieving widow. Of course the clapfest was really for Mango Shitgoblin, she was just the excuse for his own narcissistic display.

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:32:10am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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That means more shit like this that the gullible idiots will fall for.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:32:43am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We cannot blame (some) people for just wanting a normal President and for projecting those wishes onto what they see on TV…

But for the rest who know better, fuck ‘em.

They had that for eight years. No excuses for any of them.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:33:19am

Lie still spreading:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:35:07am

re: #33 Anymouse

Lie still spreading:

So just find any photo of any Democrat sitting down and say that it was taken while Gold Star families were being saluted.

Cannot go wrong.

And this, in a nutshell, is why Trump won.

Chaos and lies are much easier to create and disseminate than order and truth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:35:09am

Students are pouring out of Concordia’s Hall building after bomb threat targeting Muslims

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BlueGrl21  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:35:17am

Just now catching up on Trump’s silliness last night. I was busy washing my hair and doing my nails.

The speech was effective in the same way the Fast and Furious movies are effective….they sell tickets to the masses. People leave them feeling a bit more excited and better about their lives. They think they too could drive a car like that. But it’s JUST A MOVIE.

In the real world, he has to get a budget through Congress to fund all of this that they will not approve. No way. He’s building a case to the American people in the hopes that they will pressure Congress to fund his fever dreams. Then we will hit the mother of all showdowns between Congress and Trump. Trump will lose.

I am much more concerned about the immigrant community and the hate crimes we continue to see than Trump driving around a Ferrari in circles.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:35:46am

re: #33 Anymouse

Lie still spreading:

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Trump literally trashed a Gold Star family but hey be outraged and fall for the lies that you get told. Where were you when Trump literally trashed the Khan family? Oh that’s right, cheering him on. Stop fucking using veterans and fallen military members to hide behind the fact that you support a piece of shit.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:36:14am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So just find any photo of any Democrat sitting down and say that it was taken while Gold Star families were being saluted.

Cannot go wrong.

And this, in a nutshell, is why Trump won.

Chaos and lies are much easier to create and disseminate than order and truth.

Propaganda’s a helluva drug. It will rope in otherwise reasonable people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:36:17am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:36:41am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obama’s fault obviously. //

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:37:44am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So just find any photo of any Democrat sitting down and say that it was taken while Gold Star families were being saluted.

Cannot go wrong.

And this, in a nutshell, is why Trump won.

Chaos and lies are much easier to create and disseminate than order and truth.

Because 99.99999% of the right has Weapons-Grade Confirmation Bias 239.

(A way larger than it should be percentage of the left does too)

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:39:28am
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:40:08am

re: #36 BlueGrl21

Just now catching up on Trump’s silliness last night. I was busy washing my hair and doing my nails.

The speech was effective in the same way the Fast and Furious movies are effective….they sell tickets to the masses. People leave them feeling a bit more excited and better about their lives. They think they too could drive a car like that. But it’s JUST A MOVIE.

In the real world, he has to get a budget through Congress to fund all of this that they will not approve. No way. He’s building a case to the American people in the hopes that they will pressure Congress to fund his fever dreams. Then we will hit the mother of all showdowns between Congress and Trump. Trump will lose.

I am much more concerned about the immigrant community and the hate crimes we continue to see than Trump driving around a Ferrari in circles.

Nope. Republicans have been on the immigrant / minority bashing kick ever since Ronald Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss.

They will do what he wants, because what he wants is what conservatives have wanted all my adult life.

Remember also that the executive order that allowed rounding up Japanese-Americans and German-Americans in WW2 has never been revoked. Plessy v Furgeson was not overturned by Brown v Board of Education. (Separate but equal was banned for schools, but the overarching idea of segregation was not overturned in that decision.)

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:41:11am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:41:30am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Trump literally trashed a Gold Star family but hey be outraged and fall for the lies that you get told. Where were you when Trump literally trashed the Khan family? Oh that’s right, cheering him on. Stop fucking using veterans and fallen military members to hide behind the fact that you support a piece of shit.

I should give you a downding for improper use of “literally”

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:42:17am

re: #42 Kragar

[Polls show that the “Dutch Trump” Geert Wilders is losing support as voters see what the real Trump is like]

OMG. An upside has been seen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:42:36am

re: #41 Jack Burton

Because 99.99999% of the right has Weapons-Grade Confirmation Bias 239.

(A way larger than it should be percentage of the left does too)

Yes, I recall taking my liberal nephew to task over spreading a Trump quote that turned out to be bogus (remember the fake interview from 1990 where he said that if he ran for President, he would run as a Republican because “they are so stupid they would take anyone”?)

A bit later I took my conservative brother (his dad) to task over reposting an outraged post of a photo of the White House illuminated purple in honor of Prince’s death (it never was)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:42:58am

re: #43 Anymouse

Remember also that the executive order that allowed rounding up Japanese-Americans and German-Americans in WW2 has never been revoked. Plessy v Furgeson was not overturned by Brown v Board of Education. (Separate but equal was banned for schools, but the overarching idea of segregation was not overturned in that decision.)

German-Americans were not rounded up and put into internment camps like the Japanese-Americans. Because, ya know, they were white.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:43:02am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

I should give you a downding for improper use of “literally”

Heh true. I deserve it but man it just pisses me off how he attacked that family and these same assholes didn’t give a fuck or even with along with it.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:43:34am

re: #46 wrenchwench

OMG. An upside has been seen.

Too bad Wilders didn’t run and win first.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:43:44am

The UK actually did intern German nationals (including even German Jews) but the US didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:44:09am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

German-Americans were not rounded up and put into internment camps like the Japanese-Americans. Because, ya know, they were white.

Italian-Americans were at a more larger extent. In fact, my German born great grandfather was on the war ration board. The Japanese-Americans got it the worst definitely because of their race.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:45:06am

re: #41 Jack Burton

Because 99.99999% of the right has Weapons-Grade Confirmation Bias 239.

(A way larger than it should be percentage of the left does too)

That’s because people think communicating information via memes is smart. And yeah the left can be just as guilty of it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:45:29am

re: #42 Kragar

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Good. Wilders doesn’t deserve to have any sort of political power and neitehr does Trump.

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Citizen K  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:45:59am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Italian-Americans were at a more larger extent. In fact, my German born great grandfather was on the war ration board. The Japanese-Americans got it the worst definitely because of their race.

No surprise there. Italians were only so recently removed from pre-White status at that point at best, if at all (dunno the history if Italian discrimination up to that point).

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:46:00am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

German-Americans were not rounded up and put into internment camps like the Japanese-Americans. Because, ya know, they were white.

Ah, no.
en.wikipedia.org (Internment of German-American citizens in WW1 and WW2)

Italian-Americans were also interred.

To be clear, the majority of Italians and Germans interned were Italian and German citizens, but Americas of Italian and German descent were interred as well.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:47:31am

re: #56 Anymouse

Ah, no.
en.wikipedia.org (Internment of German-American citizens in WW1 and WW2)

Italian-Americans were also interred.

To be clear, the majority of Italians and Germans interned were Italian and German citizens, but Americas of Italian and German descent were interred as well.

1/10 the number of the Japanese interned and a far smaller percentage of the German(-American) population.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:47:51am

More:

A total of 11,507 people of German ancestry were interned during the war. They comprised 36.1% of the total internments under the US Justice Department’s Enemy Alien Control Program. Of the 254 enemy aliens evicted from coastal areas (excluding Japanese Americans), the majority were German.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:48:26am

I think where the German internees differed is that ti was more recent German immigrants that were compared to the Japanese-American ones where their time in America didn’t matter.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:48:35am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

1/10 the number of the Japanese interned and a far smaller percentage of the German(-American) population.

So, only one-tenth makes it okay then.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:48:59am

re: #58 Anymouse

More:

A puny amount compared to the number of Americans of German ancestry overall during that time period.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:49:25am

re: #60 Anymouse

So, only one-tenth makes it okay then.

He didn’t say it was okay just that it wasn’t at the same rate and the Japanese internment was definitely based in more racism.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:49:43am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

However, a law enforcement official told the New York Times on Tuesday that a single person may be responsible for the threats.

Now we know what Trump is doing between tweet storms.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:49:58am

re: #56 Anymouse

Ah, no.
en.wikipedia.org (Internment of German-American citizens in WW1 and WW2)

Italian-Americans were also interred.

To be clear, the majority of Italians and Germans interned were Italian and German citizens, but Americas of Italian and German descent were interred as well.

That means ‘buried’. You need that ‘n’ in there. Not that ‘interned’ is a whole lot better than being buried, but some.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:50:05am

And I’m definitely not saying it was okay as an American of German descent but what German-Americans experienced in the world wars differed greatly than what Japanese-Americans did.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:50:23am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

A puny amount compared to the number of Americans of German ancestry overall during that time period.

So we’ll only round up a puny number of Muslims and Hispanics. That makes it okay then.

The point of my post was the order allowing such things has never been revoked. I seriously doubt Mr. Trump is going to revoke it.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:51:07am

re: #64 wrenchwench

That means ‘buried’. You need that ‘n’ in there. Not that ‘interned’ is a whole lot better than being buried, but some.

LOL, is that like burying the lede? /s

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:52:37am

re: #10 Kragar

Russia just bombed US-backed forces fighting ISIS and Trump’s silence is deafening.

So all that bullshit tough talk was, uhh, bullshit?

C’mon, tough guy. You were so ready to pick a fight with Iran. Let’s see you call your bestie Vlad on the carpet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:53:16am

re: #66 Anymouse

So we’ll only round up a puny number of Muslims and Hispanics. That makes it okay then.

The point of my post was the order allowing such things has never been revoked. I seriously doubt Mr. Trump is going to revoke it.

Again, neither Timothy nor I said it was okay. I’m of German descent for fuck sake. My Dad’s grandfather was literally born in Germany. I’m merely saying that German-Americans did not have as bad as the Japanese-Americans in WWII. My dad’s grandfather was able to serve on the WWII rationing board in Pittsburgh during the war. If he had been Japanese born, he wouldn’t have been able to do that. You’re correct that German-Americans were in fact interned and VB was incorrect to say they were not but they were not at the same rate of Japanese-Americans there definitely was racism to why the Japanese were held.

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:56:37am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Weren’t most of the German-Americans that were interned members of the German American Bund or former FONG or Silver Legion members?

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:57:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:57:36am

re: #70 Jack Burton

Weren’t most of the German-Americans that were interned members of the German American Bund or former FONG or Silver Legion members?

You pretty much had to be actively pro-Nazi to get yourself interned as a German…unlike Japanese, many of whom were native-born US citizens with no connection to Japan.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:57:50am

re: #68 makeitstop

So all that bullshit tough talk was, uhh, bullshit?

C’mon, tough guy. You were so ready to pick a fight with Iran. Let’s see you call your bestie Vlad on the carpet.

Betcha the GOP doesn’t use these new Gold Star Families for photo ops (friendly fire).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:58:12am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Comedian John Caparulo Attacked By Snowflake Trump Cultist

so much for the tolerant Right…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:58:42am

re: #70 Jack Burton

Weren’t most of the German-Americans that were interned members of the German American Bund or former FONG or Silver Legion members?

I think that was the case with some of them. I just know that my own German relatives weren’t institutionally mistreated to the same extend that those of Japanese descent were.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:59:19am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so much for the tolerant Right…

I wish she was arrested.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 11:59:30am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You pretty much had to be actively pro-Nazi to get yourself interned as a German…unlike Japanese, many of whom were native-born US citizens with no connection to Japan.

Yep, that’s another difference. Not sure about the Italians tbh. The Italians are often the forgotten third wheel in the Axis history.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:00:23pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:01:35pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s another difference. Not sure about the Italians tbh. The Italians are often the forgotten third wheel in the Axis history.

God bless Italy, they dragged Germany into campaigns in Yugoslavia, Greece and Africa that just drained resources and time they really needed to defeat the USSR…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:01:35pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn, I always believed that was true. In any case, I could go for a good pizza pie right now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:02:17pm

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

God bless Italy, they dragged Germany into campaigns in Yugoslavia, Greece and Africa that just drained resources and time they really needed to defeat the USSR…

Yep. I think the Italians actually occupied Slovenia, my other Grandpa’s parents home country.

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Arkansawyer  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:02:51pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I think that was the case with some of them. I just know that my own German relatives weren’t institutionally mistreated to the same extend that those of Japanese descent were.

Likewise. Hell, one of my relatives even worked at the pentagon during the war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:03:27pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Yep. I think the Italians actually occupied Slovenia, my other Grandpa’s parents home country.

They conquered Albania all on their own!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:03:34pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Again, neither Timothy nor I said it was okay. I’m of German descent for fuck sake. My Dad’s grandfather was literally born in Germany. I’m merely saying that German-Americans did not have as bad as the Japanese-Americans in WWII. My dad’s grandfather was able to serve on the WWII rationing board in Pittsburgh during the war. If he had been Japanese born, he wouldn’t have been able to do that. You’re correct that German-Americans were in fact interned and VB was incorrect to say they were not but they were not at the same rate of Japanese-Americans there definitely was racism to why the Japanese were held.

I think we’re going past each other’s points.

I fully agree and acknowledge that as a group German-Americans did not have it nearly as bad as Japanese-Americans during WW2.

My position was that some did.

I take certain moral positions that I will not more on. Interning any number of citizens not shown to be criminals or security threats to me is immoral and un-Constitutional.

Hence my statement of “well, 10%.”

It is similar to my stance on the death penalty, not now, not ever. “Well, we hardly ever kill an innocent person” is a non-starter argument to me. At least for now, few Muslims or Hispanics (relative to the numbers of all of them) have been harassed by the government (hence my using those groups as another example).

I’m willing to let this whole discussion pass though, as my only point was that the internment order has never been revoked and I expect the GOP to put it to use.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:04:15pm

re: #82 Arkansawyer

Likewise. Hell, one of my relatives even worked at the pentagon during the war.

I mean I imagine it was tough no doubt if you were a German immigrant and still spoke in German accented English but what German-Americans experienced during the war years pales to what the Japanese did.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:04:28pm

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They conquered Albania all on their own!!!

Hoxha would disagree.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:04:51pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Yep. I think the Italians actually occupied Slovenia, my other Grandpa’s parents home country.

Also Ethiopia.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:05:05pm

re: #84 Anymouse

I think we’re going past each other’s points.

I fully agree and acknowledge that as a group German-Americans did not have it nearly as bad as Japanese-Americans during WW2.

My position was that some did.

I take certain moral positions that I will not more on. Interning any number of citizens not shown to be criminals or security threats to me is immoral and un-Constitutional.

Hence my statement of “well, 10%.”

It is similar to my stance on the death penalty, not now, not ever. “Well, we hardly ever kill an innocent person” is a non-starter argument to me. At least for now, few Muslims or Hispanics (relative to the numbers of all of them) have been harassed by the government (hence my using those groups as another example).

I’m willing to let this whole discussion pass though, as my only point was that the internment order has never been revoked and I expect the GOP to put it to use.

Okay, fair enough. I understand what you’re saying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:05:20pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I mean I imagine it was tough no doubt if you were a German immigrant and still spoke in German accented English but what German-Americans experienced during the war years pales to what the Japanese did.

German as a spoken language in the USA really started to die out after WW1…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:05:34pm

re: #87 Anymouse

Also Ethiopia.

Yep they invaded in 1935, long before the Germans annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia.

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:07:40pm

re: #82 Arkansawyer

Likewise. Hell, one of my relatives even worked at the pentagon during the war.

All of my direct line German relatives were in the US Army. Spanish-American War, World War 1, World War 2, and Vietnam. I’m the first one to not go Army (or military at all. I only wanted to fly and I had 20/600 vision when I was 18 so that was never going to happen.)

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:07:41pm

Must take a short break: Felix Randomkitty is insisting I feed him by jumping on my chair and pulling at my typing handfsj;4wrj2oi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:07:53pm

One of the things that most deeply disturbs me about Trump is his unwillingness/inability to do the simplest things that require some humility and grace. Whether it’s self-deprecating humor, admitting mistakes, apologizing, or taking responsibility, these simple things are beyond him. This is what’s both funny and terribly sad about the ‘Presidential Trump’ Twitter account - these things are not hard, but for him, they’re impossible.

The Presidential thing to do after the Yemen raid would have been for Trump to come out and say, “I made the decision to go. We worked on this with the best intel we had, and that turned out to have been insufficient. Military action always carries risks, but we work to reduce those risks as much as we can. But no matter how hard we try to do that, we can’t eliminate the risk CPO Owens gave his life in this operation. We will honor that sacrifice by doubling our efforts to minimize those risks, but ultimately, I made the decision to mount this operation, and bear the responsibility.”

Something like that. Something that simple, even I can dash it off in a few minutes. Totally beyond him.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:09:25pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

The Ethiopian invasion should always be held up as a reminder that fascist expansionism in the mid-20th century was the offspring of colonialism and its justifications.

This is even more the case with the Japanese, who directly aped the racial and cultural logic regarding superiority in justifying their “Co-Prosperity Sphere.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:10:39pm

re: #94 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

The Ethiopian invasion should always be held up as a reminder that fascist expansionism in the mid-20th century was the offspring of colonialism and its justifications.

This is even more the case with the Japanese, who directly aped the racial and cultural logic regarding superiority in justifying their “Co-Prosperity Sphere.”

The Japanese were just catching up with what the European colonial powers and the US had been doing in SE Asia for years…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:11:07pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump operates only in terms of power dynamics and advantage.

Furthermore, he has no incentive to be gracious: his base are people who to be vindictive, ungraciously, and grind in other’s faces that they’re the winners.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:12:39pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the things that most deeply disturbs me about Trump is his unwillingness/inability to do the simplest things that require some humility and grace. Whether it’s self-deprecating humor, admitting mistakes, apologizing, or taking responsibility, these simple things are beyond him. This is what’s both funny and terribly sad about the ‘Presidential Trump’ Twitter account - these things are not hard, but for him, they’re impossible.

The Presidential thing to do after the Yemen raid would have been for Trump to come out and say, “I made the decision to go. We worked on this with the best intel we had, and that turned out to have been insufficient. Military action always carries risks, but we work to reduce those risks as much as we can. But no matter how hard we try to do that, we can’t eliminate the risk CPO Owens gave his life in this operation. We will honor that sacrifice by doubling our efforts to minimize those risks, but ultimately, I made the decision to mount this operation, and bear the responsibility.”

Something like that. Something that simple, even I can dash it off in a few minutes. Totally beyond him.

He’d have to work on ‘human’ before he can get to ‘presidential’. He sees no need, and it’s late for him to start if he were to ‘wake’ to the need. I guess with enough money, there never is a need to be able to act like a human to other humans. Another term for that would be ‘too much money’. He will never believe in that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:13:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:14:14pm

Tre: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the things that most deeply disturbs me about Trump is his unwillingness/inability to do the simplest things that require some humility and grace. Whether it’s self-deprecating humor, admitting mistakes, apologizing, or taking responsibility, these simple things are beyond him. This is what’s both funny and terribly sad about the ‘Presidential Trump’ Twitter account - these things are not hard, but for him, they’re impossible.

The Presidential thing to do after the Yemen raid would have been for Trump to come out and say, “I made the decision to go. We worked on this with the best intel we had, and that turned out to have been insufficient. Military action always carries risks, but we work to reduce those risks as much as we can. But no matter how hard we try to do that, we can’t eliminate the risk CPO Owens gave his life in this operation. We will honor that sacrifice by doubling our efforts to minimize those risks, but ultimately, I made the decision to mount this operation, and bear the responsibility.”

Something like that. Something that simple, even I can dash it off in a few minutes. Totally beyond him.

Exactly. Some of his worst attributes aren’t even political based. They’re how he is as a person.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:16:12pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course, those watching the address were not a random sample of the electorate but probably heavily weighted toward those who supported Trump. So it is really a misleading statistic.

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:16:30pm

re: #94 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

The Ethiopian invasion should always be held up as a reminder that fascist expansionism in the mid-20th century was the offspring of colonialism and its justifications.

This is even more the case with the Japanese, who directly aped the racial and cultural logic regarding superiority in justifying their “Co-Prosperity Sphere.”

Haile Selassie’s murmuring at the end of his speech to the League of Nations: “You’ll be next.”

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:16:32pm

Rod is being such a snowflake

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:17:06pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

T

Exactly. Some of his worst attributes aren’t even political based. They’re how he is as a person.

But he was able to package and sell them to supporters as the “anti-politician”, he was able to ignore or violate nearly every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and his supporters loved him all the more for that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:17:24pm

re: #102 Scottish Dragon

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Ros is being such a snowflake

I just wish Doc Brown or Rufus would show up and drop Rod off in his theocratic dreamland.

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Arkansawyer  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:17:32pm

re: #91 Jack Burton

All of my direct line German relatives were in the US Army. Spanish-American War, World War 1, World War 2, and Vietnam. I’m the first one to not go Army (or military at all. I only wanted to fly and I had 20/600 vision when I was 18 so that was never going to happen.)

We haven’t had family in the military since WWII. My dad wasn’t drafted for Vietnam. Even if he was, my grandfather told him there was no way in hell he was going to let him be in the military. I wanted to fly as well, but my vision is horrible.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:17:58pm

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But he was able to package and sell them to supporters as the “anti-politician”, he was able to ignore or violate nearly every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and his supporters loved him all the more for that.

I know and it says a lot about his supporters that they value that in a leader. He’s a complete piece of shit not just ideologically but as a human being.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:18:41pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I know and it says a lot about his supporters that they value that in a leader. He’s a complete piece of shit not just ideologically but as a human being.

and the way that the religious right embraced Mr Two Corinthians was brain-boggling

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:18:57pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

The Presidential thing to do after the Yemen raid would have been for Trump to come out and say, “I made the decision to go. We worked on this with the best intel we had, and that turned out to have been insufficient. Military action always carries risks, but we work to reduce those risks as much as we can. But no matter how hard we try to do that, we can’t eliminate the risk CPO Owens gave his life in this operation. We will honor that sacrifice by doubling our efforts to minimize those risks, but ultimately, I made the decision to mount this operation, and bear the responsibility.”

Something like that. Something that simple, even I can dash it off in a few minutes. Totally beyond him.

And he didn’t even have to write this on his own. Didn’t anyone on his staff have the grace and wit to prepare such a statement? Maybe not… or maybe he refused to approve anything that might suggest something went awry in a mission he approved.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:19:15pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the way that the religious right embraced Mr Two Corinthians was brain-boggling

The religious right will accept anyone who panders to them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:20:31pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The religious right will accept anyone who panders to them.

The religious right will accept anyone who may appoint judges to overturn Roe v Wade

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:21:34pm

re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter

The religious right will accept anyone who may appoint judges to overturn Roe v Wade

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:23:12pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:23:22pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The religious right will accept anyone who panders to them.

Welcome to our cold civil war.

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:24:31pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the way that the religious right embraced Mr Two Corinthians was brain-boggling

Nobody is better at the Bible than me. Nobody.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:24:59pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uh huh be a patronizing dick much?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:25:13pm

re: #113 Scottish Dragon

Welcome to our cold civil war.

Yep, that’s why they love Vlad.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:25:26pm

What a wasted day. Spent the morning dealing with IT over ransomware taking over my computer and completely fucking up my data files.

Nefarious fuckers - made you think that you needed to download a font package, then kept popping up the executable, and in the meantime my computer was signaling for me to restart my computer. Well, one thing led to another, and instead of hitting yes on the restart, I hit yes to install the executable - and the proverbial shit met fan.

It wasn’t pretty. And malwarebytes didn’t catch it. Our IT was stumped - they’ve never seen this before. Trend Micro didn’t catch it (company software).

They got the problem contained, but these fuckers basically encrypt your data in RSA files, give you a key, and demand money in exchange for a key to decrypt your locked data.

Grrrrr…. first and only time I’ll ever let that happen.

So, if you see Spora somewhere - avoid like the plague. Because it is one.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:25:32pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nice ad hominen the fellow made there: attack the women’s clothes and not the point of the clothes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:25:34pm

re: #114 Jack Burton

Nobody is better at the Bible than me. Nobody.

I have the best bible ever. Martin Luther signed it. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:27:01pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The religious right will accept anyone who panders to them.

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

And he didn’t even have to write this on his own. Didn’t anyone on his staff have the grace and wit to prepare such a statement? Maybe not… or maybe he refused to approve anything that might suggest something went awry in a mission he approved.

No matter how much you lower the ‘humanity’ bar, Trump won’t clear it. The perfect thing to do, to disarm the protests on 21 January would have been to say, “While I am humbled by the level and depth of support I have received, I am also humbled by the passion of the people who marched yesterday. I came to this office to be President for all Americans. Clearly, I have much work to do to win your trust and support. We won’t always agree - we’re Americans, we disagree and we argue, but we all love this country.”

But no, it’s ‘Fake News lied about my massive crowds!!”

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:28:04pm

More, please!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:28:40pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Uh huh be a patronizing dick much?

Constantly, I imagine.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:28:53pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:29:02pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:29:48pm

Spora has been out for a month or so. I got a warning about it from US-CERT when they detected it.

Here is a description from Bleeping Computer posted January 10:

bleepingcomputer.com (more)

A new ransomware family made its presence felt today, named Spora, the Russian word for “spore.” This new ransomware’s most notable features are its solid encryption routine, ability to work offline, and a very well put together ransom payment site, which is the most sophisticated we’ve seen from ransomware authors as of yet.

First infections with Spora ransomware were spotted on the Bleeping Computer and Kaspersky forums. Below is an analysis of the Spora ransomware mode of operation provided by Bleeping Computer’s Lawrence Abrams, with some information via MalwareHunterTeam and Fabian Wosar of Emsisoft.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:30:47pm
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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:31:23pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can watch that all day

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Interesting Times  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:33:57pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gee, your ex-gov can’t catch a break :/

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:34:00pm

This excerpt is amazing.

Our country no longer deserves such great leaders like President Obama and RBG.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:34:13pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump administration delays plan to block Asian Carp from Great Lakes. Lakes.http://

I thought he wanted to protect us from invasive immigrants!

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:34:45pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure the carp will just wait until the administration gets its act together.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:34:50pm

Uh oh

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nines09  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:34:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:37:55pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

Gee, your ex-gov can’t catch a break :/

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My favorite criticism is that using Beshear for the rebuttal was “obvious and ineffective pandering to white working class voters”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:40:31pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:40:36pm

What was your favorite moment from last night’s speech?

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:42:15pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:42:26pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh

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Bacteria were obviously planted by Satan to confuse atheistic scientist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:43:13pm

re: #138 Anymouse

Bacteria were obviously planted by Satan to confuse atheistic scientist.

I was thinking more along the lines of PREHISTORIC PLAGUE UNLEASHED

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:43:59pm

re: #138 Anymouse

Bacteria were obviously planted by Satan to confuse atheistic scientist.

Soros paid to have them put there. And the bombs at Concordia…

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:44:36pm

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

I guess I liked it when Anakin got burned…

I liked it when it was over.

Oh wait… wrong train-wreck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:44:36pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

I was thinking more along the lines of PREHISTORIC PLAGUE UNLEASHED

pretty sure we’ve all seen that movie already, too…

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nines09  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:45:11pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Always good to hear. So I can hear someone right now saying, “Is there any DNA left? Can we get any?”

like in the movies……then the petri dish gets up and walks out….growling…..

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:45:19pm

re: #137 Kragar

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So the Uptown Klan got all the way to Canada now, eh?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:47:43pm

well, this sucks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:49:47pm

Greater Cincinnati:

NWS has confirmed two tornadoes, there was likely a third one as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:50:48pm

Wingnuts promise to boycott Disney for the eleventy bazillionth time

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:52:07pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:52:48pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:54:45pm

In the body-shaming department, Zara failed. In an apparent in-store (or maybe outside sign) advert, they seemed to use either very thin models or manipulated photos to promote a “love your curves” sales campaign.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:55:01pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF is a “radio town hall?” He goes on a radio show and they take one or two pre-screened questions?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:57:36pm

re: #151 BeachDem

WTF is a “radio town hall?” He goes on a radio show and they take one or two pre-screened questions?

Yup. See also, my state. (Very tough to get a question in that challenges our Republican senators and representatives. Makes it look like the entire state supports them. Screening what is broadcast or printed is just a variant of propaganda.)

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darthstar  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:58:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:58:39pm

re: #151 BeachDem

WTF is a “radio town hall?” He goes on a radio show and they take one or two pre-screened questions?

I have no idea.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:58:48pm

re: #150 Anymouse

In the body-shaming department, Zara failed. In an apparent in-store (or maybe outside sign) advert, they seemed to use either very thin models or manipulated photos to promote a “love your curves” sales campaign.

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That’s like the Benneton “Diversity” ads in which they showed models of various races who were all size 0.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 1, 2017 • 12:59:53pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts promise to boycott Disney for the eleventy bazillionth time

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I doubt his wife is the real problem.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:00:04pm

Administration pulling nominees to regulatory commissions.
huffingtonpost.com
(more at the link)

The Trump administration has begun pulling pending nominees from various federal commissions in a manner that has left Hill Democrats concerned that the practice of bipartisan inclusion on regulatory panels will be upended.

The administration’s efforts, these sources told The Huffington Post, could result in commissions tasked with overseeing trade enforcement, election law, and financial and energy regulation being stacked with nominees sympathetic to the president.

Pending positions on the Federal Communications Commission, Federal Trade Commission, Commodity Futures Trading Commission, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Federal Election Commission and Federal Energy Regulatory Commission are among those at stake. And President Donald Trump, according to these sources, is looking to rescind both Republican-backed nominees as well as Democratic ones.

By statute, these five- and six-member commissions can have no more than three members from the majority party. For six-member commissions, that assures bipartisan cooperation ― or, as has happened at the FEC, utter gridlock. The narrow majority on five-member commissions requires a commission to govern closer to the center. A chair who loses just one vote from his or her own party loses everything.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:01:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:03:05pm

sigh….

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:04:11pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh….

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THEIR WILL BE MOAR JERBS EVERY TIME THE MINERS DIE!!!11!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:04:27pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:04:30pm

re: #16 Kragar

They’re already getting pummeled over the character, and they should.

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Just seeing that image VB had up and the name LeFou gave me a feeling that Disney hasn’t gotten too far away from crows in their old cartoons. If you know what I mean.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:04:33pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh….

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And when the next Sago Mine Disaster happens, people will be shocked that nobody foresaw the need for basic safety measures that got in the way of profitability.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:04:40pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh….

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At this point, it seems like the coal miners want to die. They voted to dismantle the regulations that keep them alive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:06:22pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bill to cut safety inspections at Kentucky’s underground coal mines advances

just think of all the jobs that will create!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:07:34pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:08:00pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Just seeing that image VB had up and the name LeFou gave me a feeling that Disney hasn’t gotten too far away from crows in their old cartoons. If you know what I mean.

Of course wingnuts complained that Elsa, Anna, and Merida were “Lesbians” because they didn’t marry a handsome prince.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:10:24pm

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

just think of all the jobs that will create!

Sure. We’ll need more undertakers, and every time a miner dies, that’s a new job available for a future victim of the industry.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:10:27pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:10:37pm

re: #50 makeitstop

Too bad Wilders didn’t run and win first.

Sadly that would not have mattered to the U.S. ‘voters’ at all.

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gocart mozart  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:11:30pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:12:44pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

I would have thought rounding up journalists and putting them in pens while directing his followers to attack them would have been at the top of the list, but what do I know?

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:12:56pm

re: #60 Anymouse

So, only one-tenth makes it okay then.

Did he say that? No…he did not.

Edit: I see you are already getting some kickback on this. You are so good at creating something out of nothing and then making a big deal out of it.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:13:42pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rating: False

On the wingnut lie that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-Jew) and Keith Ellison (D-Muslim), you don’t suppose that might have been the underlying dog whistle?

Wingnuts hate Nancy Pelosi for example, but she’s a Christian. They don’t much care for Maxine Waters either.

/ct

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:15:17pm

(sorry, not sorry…)

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:17:39pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

We need to upding iguana farting in a bathtub.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:18:59pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

Did he say that? No…he did not.

We already settled that further down the thread. There were quite a number of comments back and forth until coming to an understanding, a hug, and guinea pigs all around.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:19:59pm

“We concluded that Ms. Conway acted inadvertently and is highly unlikely to do so again,” Passantino said in the letter to Office of Government Ethics Director Walter Shaub.

Yes, it was totally “inadvertent” when Kellyanne said:

“It’s a wonderful line. I own some of it, I fully — I’m going to give a free commercial here. Go buy it today, everybody. You can find it online.”

Nothing to see here; move along.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:20:30pm
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nines09  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:23:35pm

Just me, or did anyone ever think…..

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nines09  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:25:07pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

*spit*

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:25:09pm

Poor widdle yammie—-

Karl Rove said Wednesday that Democrats’ less-than-enthusiastic responses to President Donald Trump’s speech to Congress “affected his delivery.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:25:26pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Greater Cincinnati:

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NWS has confirmed two tornadoes, there was likely a third one as well.

It appears southern Ohio got the brunt of last night’s storm.

Getting some very strong wind gusts through central Ohio this afternoon. Temps are going down behind it. Crazy ass weather.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:27:34pm

re: #182 BeachDem

Poor widdle yammie—-

Karl Rove said Wednesday that Democrats’ less-than-enthusiastic responses to President Donald Trump’s speech to Congress “affected his delivery.”

Nobody shouted “You lie!” out loud, fer chrissakes…

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:28:24pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(sorry, not sorry…)

This is the apotheosis of life. 4.6 billion years of earth history led to this one moment. Iguana farting in a bathtub is now all things, and all things are now an iguana farting in a bathtub…

;)

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:28:58pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

THEIR WILL BE MOAR JERBS EVERY TIME THE MINERS DIE!!!11!!!

Sadly, that might be the reminder it takes for the folks in coal country to realize the reality of Trump and jobs.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:29:42pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:30:29pm

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

Of course wingnuts complained that Elsa, Anna, and Merida were “Lesbians” because they didn’t marry a handsome prince.

Wingnut minds live in their own created gutters.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:32:53pm

re: #43 Anymouse

Nope. Republicans have been on the immigrant / minority bashing kick ever since Ronald Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss.

They will do what he wants, because what he wants is what conservatives have wanted all my adult life.

Remember also that the executive order that allowed rounding up Japanese-Americans and German-Americans in WW2 has never been revoked. Plessy v Furgeson was not overturned by Brown v Board of Education. (Separate but equal was banned for schools, but the overarching idea of segregation was not overturned in that decision.)

My point was not articulated correctly.

Anything he has to go to Congress to get funds for (specifically, his proposed budget) is not likely to get through, such as the increased military spending, cuts to the State Department, and funding the wall. He is also going after non-discretionary spending, which is one way pork gets brought home to districts and is only a drop in the bucket of the budget. He also does not want to touch entitlements, which means Paul Ryan will be incandescent. That budget will get torn up.

I am much, much more concerned about the same things you are. Using the National Guard to augment ICE. Controls on immigration, deportation, keeping people from entering the country even legally. He’s basically attempting to build his own private military force to operate within the U.S.

I am MUCH less confident that will be stopped and it concerns me tremendously.

I am also very concerned about Jeff Sessions and the civil rights/voting rights issues he’s abandoning but we can fight those without the Justice Department. God bless the ACLU.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:34:41pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

It appears southern Ohio got the brunt of last night’s storm.

Getting some very strong wind gusts through central Ohio this afternoon. Temps are going down behind it. Crazy ass weather.

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gocart mozart  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:34:47pm
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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:35:28pm

It really is a fucking reality show to them:

President Donald Trump has delayed plans to sign a reworked travel ban in the wake of positive reaction to his first address to Congress, a senior administration official told CNN.

Signing the executive order Wednesday, as originally indicated by the White House, would have undercut the favorable coverage. The official didn’t deny the positive reception was part of the administration’s calculus in pushing back the travel ban announcement.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:36:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:38:37pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:38:41pm

Trump training video for last night’s speech.

Henry the Hoover’s Cocaine Overdose

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:40:07pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:41:12pm

re: #192 BeachDem

It really is a fucking reality show to them:

President Donald Trump has delayed plans to sign a reworked travel ban in the wake of positive reaction to his first address to Congress, a senior administration official told CNN.

Signing the executive order Wednesday, as originally indicated by the White House, would have undercut the favorable coverage. The official didn’t deny the positive reception was part of the administration’s calculus in pushing back the travel ban announcement.

Like I noted this morning, the press slobbering all over his “presidential” performance has given him the first positive coverage he’s had in weeks. He’s gonna milk it for all its worth.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:42:35pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dont worry son. When the hills play out we always have the river to dredge.

River coal
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:43:23pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:44:57pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(sorry, not sorry…)

Well, I’m sorry…sorry there’s no sound with that gif!

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:45:07pm

Hell, I can read from a teleprompter while making it look easy, when can I get my turn in the White House?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:45:41pm

re: #189 BlueGrl21

My point was not articulated correctly.

Anything he has to go to Congress to get funds for (specifically, his proposed budget) is not likely to get through, such as the increased military spending, cuts to the State Department, and funding the wall. He is also going after non-discretionary spending, which is one way pork gets brought home to districts and is only a drop in the bucket of the budget. He also does not want to touch entitlements, which means Paul Ryan will be incandescent. That budget will get torn up.

I am much, much more concerned about the same things you are. Using the National Guard to augment ICE. Controls on immigration, deportation, keeping people from entering the country even legally. He’s basically attempting to build his own private military force to operate within the U.S.

I am MUCH less confident that will be stopped and it concerns me tremendously.

I am also very concerned about Jeff Sessions and the civil rights/voting rights issues he’s abandoning but we can fight those without the Justice Department. God bless the ACLU.

Mine probably could have been articulated better.

I guarantee you the GOP will come up with any money necessary to increase military spending. Every Republican President in my whole life since Eisenhower has done it. There is no such thing as a budget deficit when it comes to military spending.

I don’t know how they would approach the State Department. All the howling over Benghazi was against a backdrop of GOP cuts in the State Department (which kind of got downplayed). The GOP/John Birchers/other wingnuts have long wanted out of the United Nations for example, and Mr. Trump proposed withdrawing from the Human Rights Commission (nary a peep out of the GOP over that).

The GOP shut down the government under Obama because they couldn’t get their way and cost both the economy and the government tens of billions of dollars. They don’t care about money. The idea they are “fiscal conservatives” was a very good piece of propaganda from Reagan’s days.

As for Mr. Trump not wanting to touch entitlements, well that’s hard for me to say, since every day he seems to have a different position. He seems to go with whatever the last person told him, and President Bannon and Vice-President Miller want entitlements gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:46:28pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:47:32pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Like I noted this morning, the press slobbering all over his “presidential” performance has given him the first positive coverage he’s had in weeks. He’s gonna milk it for all its worth.

Yup. Mike Pence says its coming in a few days, specifically because they didn’t want to overshadow Donald Trump’s positive coverage.
huffingtonpost.com?

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darthstar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:48:22pm
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petesh  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:48:50pm

re: #204 Anymouse

Yup. Mike Pence says its coming in a few days, specifically because they didn’t want to overshadow Donald Trump’s positive coverage.
huffingtonpost.com?

Never launch a big product in August (GWB era) — same thinking, but bigger and better and much more vacuous

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:52:08pm

I have a fabulous burrito. There are peas in it. They do not detract.

I didn’t know it was Ash Wednesday until I saw the guy in the post office across from the burrito place with what looked at first like a fearsome tattoo on his forehead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:54:01pm
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:54:27pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

I have a fabulous burrito. There are peas in it.

You are dead to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:56:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:57:26pm

I really have no idea why Rand is talking about, nor do I feel the need to find out…

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:58:02pm

Do birds fart?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 1:59:35pm
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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:00:15pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

I have a fabulous burrito. There are peas in it. They do not detract.

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electrotek  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has anyone told him that it’s not 1998 anymore

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:00:45pm
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electrotek  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:02:30pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks Brexit.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:03:05pm

re: #153 darthstar

If I was President and the Joint Chiefs looked at me like that I’d be looking around for a kaishakunin. It would be obvious I’d soiled my honour so badly that seppuku would be the only way to redeem it.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:03:28pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey—it’s a look.
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darthstar  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:04:56pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

I have a fabulous burrito. There are peas in it. They do not detract.

You’re eating a Samosa wrap. :)

Seriously, I love peas.

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:06:39pm

re: #220 darthstar

You’re eating a Samosa wrap. :)

Seriously, I love peas.

I had Mutter Paneer for dinner last night. It is one of the few vegetarian dishes I can eat and feel satisfied.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:06:53pm

re: #209 Kragar

You are dead to me.

One often finds a few peas in the rice used in burritos out here, in places where the clientele leans heavily Latino - as in I’m the only Anglo in the place on either side of the counter.

You gotta expand your horizons, man!

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:08:35pm

re: #220 darthstar

You’re eating a Samosa wrap. :)

None of us can find Samosa on a map.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:08:37pm

re: #220 darthstar

You’re eating a Samosa wrap. :)

Seriously, I love peas.

Mmmmmmmm…..Samosas…….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:09:16pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

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None of us can find Samosa on a map.

You can ask Taladega Ale, the delegate from American Samosa.
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MsJ  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:09:48pm

re: #76 Dr. Matt

I wish she was arrested.

For the yelling, no. For chucking a glass at someone? Absolutely. That’s assault.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:11:07pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:11:55pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

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None of us can find Samosa on a map.

Up until a few weeks ago, I’d have said San Carlos, near the intersection of El Camino Real and San Carlos Avenue, but we found our favorite Indian place had gone all fancy. the food was still good, but the portions were smaller, the price was higher, and some of the appetizers were a little…precious, if you know what I mean.

I’ll miss their Samosas.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:14:21pm

The only Lent song I know.

Tom Lehrer - She’s My Girl

Sharks gotta swim, and bats gotta fly,
I gotta love one woman till I die.
To ed or dick or bob
She may be just a slob,
But to me, well,
She’s my girl.

In winter the bedroom is one large ice cube,
And she squeezes the toothpaste from the middle of the tube.
Her hairs in the sink
Have driven me to drink,
But she’s my girl, she’s my girl, she’s my girl,
And I love her.

The girl that I lament for,
The girl my money’s spent for,
The girl my back is bent for,
The girl I owe the rent for,
The girl I gave up lent for
Is the girl that heaven meant for me.

So though for breakfast she makes coffee that tastes like shampoo,
I come home for dinner and get peanut butter stew,
Or if I’m in luck,
It’s broiled hockey puck,
But, oh well, what the hell,
She’s my girl,
And I love her

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darthstar  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:15:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:17:19pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Walsh must have missed the memo that no one cares about his family’s viewing habits. Moonlight just won a Best Picture Oscar. The rest of us non-bigots will watch this latest Disney movie by the millions and we outnumber Walsh and his ilk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:18:31pm

tornado in Missouri last night:

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DuckDharma  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:20:39pm

re: #171 gocart mozart

Fuck Van Jones and his “emotionality.” The speech can’t be “just as terrible” as everything he always says and “Presidential. period” asshole.

And Angela Rye conceding the moment at the end showed his ability to be “a decent human being.”

We are so fucked

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:21:16pm

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Memphis police have followed labor organizers home after meetings, ordered fast-food workers not to sign petitions, threatened them with arrest and put some on a list requiring them to have a police escort when they visit City Hall, activists charge in a federal lawsuit.

The activists, who are pushing for higher wages and union rights at fast-food restaurants like McDonald’s, sued the City of Memphis on Wednesday.

Lawyers with the Fight for $15 campaign’s Mid-South Organizing Committee filed the federal civil rights lawsuit in U.S. District Court against the city, Mayor Jim Strickland and Police Director Michael Rallings.

Memphis’ Chief Legal Officer Bruce McMullen said the city does not believe the lawsuit has merit.

The Fight for $15 campaign has been protesting in cities around the country since late 2012. It is seeking a $15-per-hour minimum wage. Protesters have been joined at rallies by other low-wage workers, such as home and child-care workers.

“They’re trying to stop us from speaking out, but even though it’s riskier, we know we have a right to protest and we’re not going to be intimidated,” said Ashley Cathey, a Church’s Chicken worker, in a statement.

Since Memphis workers joined a nationwide day of protest on Sept. 4, 2014, officers have repeatedly threatened workers with arrest during protests, at one point telling them they had authorization from McDonald’s to make arrests, the complaint alleges.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:23:28pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since when does McDonalds authorise the police to make arrests? (Particularly if a picket is not on their property.)

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:24:25pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jeez—sounds like a scene from “Norma Rae.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:24:54pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Authorization from McDonalds?
What the fuck?
Assholes. I hope they get righteously reamed in court. Sounds like that fucking police department needs to get hit upside the head with a giant consent decree.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:25:06pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really have no idea why Rand is talking about, nor do I feel the need to find out…

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Besides being a douche for using Democrat as an adjective, what Rand Paul is saying is that if a person earns too little to pay income taxes, the person shouldn’t get any money to help them buy health insurance. Or maybe Rand thinks that those who don’t pay taxes are all like Trump? Nahhh — then he would support the refundable tax credit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:25:32pm

Wait!

Iguana Fart

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:25:36pm

re: #235 Anymouse

Since when does McDonalds authorise the police to make arrests? (Particularly if a picket is not on their property.)

Think how much money it saves not having to hire Pinkerton goons, if you can get the PD to do their work.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:27:43pm

re: #230 darthstar

Because forcing women to give birth against their will makes so much sense.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:28:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:29:37pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:30:06pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

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Absolutely horrifying.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:30:47pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. Speechless. This cannot be right.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:31:49pm

re: #239 GlutenFreeJesus

AWESOME!!!!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:32:44pm

Goodness gracious me. I read this article by Jim Wright (Stonekettle) to my wife and both of us about died laughing - I won’t give away his punchline at the end though.

americannewsx.com

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:34:55pm
Seven officers assigned to a gun tracing task force stole money from victims they falsely detained, wrote fake police reports, lied to investigators and filed for overtime they didn’t work, according to a damning federal indictment that comes as the troubled Baltimore Police Department struggles with reforms.

Federal prosecutors announced the indictment Wednesday in the city, where the police department entered into a consent decree with the U.S. Justice Department in the final days of the Obama administration, promising to stop abusive tactics and discriminatory practices that included unlawful stops of drivers and pedestrians.

The officers were assigned to the Gun Trace Task Force, a squad formed to reduce violent crime by tracking and removing illegal guns from the streets.

wtop.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:35:01pm

So, here we are after 25 years of falling violent crime rates, and 8 years of falling rates and falling numbers of undocumented immigrants, and this it the time when we decide that our police and ICE agents have been too shackled, and need to be given a looser rein to conquer all the lawlessness represented by falling violent crime rates and fewer undocumented entries.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:39:28pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:40:01pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

So, here we are after 25 years of falling violent crime rates, and 8 years of falling rates and falling numbers of undocumented immigrants, and this it the time when we decide that our police and ICE agents have been too shackled, and need to be given a looser rein to conquer all the lawlessness represented by falling violent crime rates and fewer undocumented entries.

Yup. Article of conservative religious faith that crime is always rising and migrants are “invading the country.”

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:40:24pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

at one point telling them they had authorization from McDonald’s to make arrests

Is McDonald’s paying your salary, douchebags?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:41:38pm

re: #252 Romantic Heretic

Is McDonald’s paying your salary, douchebags?

“You want fries with your arrest warrant?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:41:42pm

re: #251 Anymouse

Yup. Article of conservative religious faith that crime is always rising and migrants are “invading the country.”

And what we always need to do, no matter what the situation is, is to tear up the Rules Of Engagement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:41:54pm

An internal White House review of strategy on North Korea includes the possibility of military force or regime change to blunt the country’s nuclear-weapons threat, people familiar with the process said, a prospect that has some U.S. allies in the region on edge.

While President Donald Trump has taken steps to reassure allies that he won’t abandon agreements that have underpinned decades of U.S. policy on Asia, his pledge that Pyongyang would be stopped from ever testing an intercontinental ballistic missile—coupled with the two-week-old strategy review—has some leaders bracing for a shift in American policy.

snip

About two weeks ago, Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland convened a meeting with national-security officials across the government and asked them for proposals on North Korea, including ideas that one official described as well outside the mainstream.

The request was for all options, ranging from U.S. recognition of North Korea as a nuclear state to military action against Pyongyang. Ms. McFarland’s directive was for the administration to undergo a comprehensive rethink of America’s North Korea policy.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:41:55pm

re: #227 GlutenFreeJesus

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i love peas

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:43:27pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

So, here we are after 25 years of falling violent crime rates, and 8 years of falling rates and falling numbers of undocumented immigrants, and this it the time when we decide that our police and ICE agents have been too shackled, and need to be given a looser rein to conquer all the lawlessness represented by falling violent crime rates and fewer undocumented entries.

A black man became president. A woman almost became president because of all those black people demanding equal rights. We have to stop that.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:44:26pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Regime change … gaaa … Iraq on steroids.

And the second we actually invaded North Korea, the People’s Republic of China would send hundreds of thousands of PLA troops to counter it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:46:23pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:47:01pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure China will sit back and not interfere, just like they did back in 1950.
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Though what they MIGHT do is to let us get rid of Kim Jong Un, and THEN attack so they can install someone a bit less… well, someone less Kim Jong Un-like.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:48:13pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Literally, “you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”, which although Pelosi said it, in no way remotely described the situation.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:48:34pm

In Illinois Legislation has been introduced, HB2981, to provide an advocate for animal welfare prosecution.

My local dog training club sent a mass email denouncing it.

Amends the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Provides that in a prosecution of a case involving the injury, health, or safety of an animal, the court may, on its own motion or motion of any party, appoint a special advocate to assist the court, as deemed appropriate by the court, and represent the interests of justice regarding the health or safety of the animal. Amends the Civil Administrative Code of Illinois Department of Agriculture Law. Provides that the Department of Agriculture shall compile a list comprised of pro bono attorneys and law students from each county who may serve as special advocates for these cases.

I, personally, think it’s a step forward. Animals, especially those who have evolved with Humans, do deserve representation in court.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:49:21pm

re: #257 Belafon

A black man became president. A woman almost became president because of all those black people demanding equal rights. We have to stop that.

OMG, of all the times to forget the sarc tag

:)

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:50:09pm

re: #251 Anymouse

Yup. Article of conservative religious faith that crime is always rising and migrants are “invading the country.”

LIONS! TIGERS :) AND BEARS!

oh my

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:50:36pm

re: #252 Romantic Heretic

Is McDonald’s paying your salary, douchebags?

you really want the answer to that?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:51:00pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the discussion up the thread that said “The GOP would never let Donald Trump spend all that money on the military” and such? If the GOP gets away with this on health care, they will apply it to pretty much everything.

Are we fascist enough yet?

“Deficits don’t matter.” - Dick Cheney. Remember him, the last time the GOP had power?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:53:53pm

re: #258 Anymouse

Regime change … gaaa … Iraq on steroids.

And the second we actually invaded North Korea, the People’s Republic of China would send hundreds of thousands of PLA troops to counter it.

I suspect this is standard analysis for any foreign policy decision; investigate all options from the most minimal response to the most forceful reaction. It probably means nothing.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:55:14pm

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

Data representing individuals from across the United States indicates that U.S. adults are increasingly delaying the decision to have children or forgoing parenthood entirely. Yet evidence suggests that voluntarily child-free people are stigmatized for this decision, according to a study published in the March 2017 edition of Sex Roles: A Journal of Research.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:56:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:56:57pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

I don’t get it, why feel outrage? It’s their individual choice. I love my niece but I wouldn’t feel outrage towards him and my SiL if they chose not to have any kids. That’s their choice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:58:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:58:37pm

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

I suspect this is standard analysis for any foreign policy decision; investigate all options from the most minimal response to the most forceful reaction. It probably means nothing.

I figure whatever the FP experts and the military say, Trump will be all “I want you to get this fuck where he breathes! I want you to find this nancy-boy Eliot Ness, Kim Jong Un! I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna PISS ON HIS ASHES!”

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:59:19pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

WTF? I mean I had kids because Mr. C. and I decided we would like children (and we did like them.) I feel very sorry for people who want kids and can’t have them, but if you don’t want kids, why would I care?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:59:31pm

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

I suspect this is standard analysis for any foreign policy decision; investigate all options from the most minimal response to the most forceful reaction. It probably means nothing.

I would agree with that assessment if it weren’t President Bannon and Vice-President Miller, with a GOP controlled House and Senate.

Since the GOP is in control of everything, my guess would be warfare is much higher on the list of priorities than “last resort.”

Plus, President Bannon is itching for a war with China anyway, and Trump goes with whoever is the last person to talk to him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:59:33pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Needz moar gunz.

You know, in case the aspirin doesn’t cut it.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 2:59:51pm

current Hatewatch articles.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:00:11pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is not quite the entirety of the GOP health care plan. We can’t forget the useful instructions: “Take two aspirin and fuck off and die next morning.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:00:24pm

re: #274 calochortus

WTF? I mean I had kids because Mr. C. and I decided we would like children (and we did like them.) I feel very sorry for people who want kids and can’t have them, but if you don’t want kids, why would I care?

Exactly.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:00:43pm

re: #274 calochortus

WTF? I mean I had kids because Mr. C. and I decided we would like children (and we did like them.) I feel very sorry for people who want kids and can’t have them, but if you don’t want kids, why would I care?

I guess the same reason you care who does what and with whom consensually behind closed doors?

I agree, WTF.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:00:46pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

This is not quite the entirety of the GOP health care plan. We can’t forget the useful instructions: “Take two aspirin and fuck off and die next morning.”

and that aspirin also doubles as birth control…

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:01:04pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

This is not quite the entirety of the GOP health care plan. We can’t forget the useful instructions: “Take two aspirin and fuck off and die next morning.”

Don’t forget the one a woman is supposed to keep between her knees to prevent pregnancy!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:01:40pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

Huh. I’d have figured the moral outrage would be limited to potential grandparents, and that mostly those who had children would feel alternating jealousy and superiority.

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:01:49pm

re: #280 Birth Control Works

I guess the same reason you care who does what and with whom consensually behind closed doors?

I agree, WTF.

Why yes, I do believe you are correct.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:02:16pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I don’t get it, why feel outrage? It’s their individual choice. I love my niece but I wouldn’t feel outrage towards him and my SiL if they chose not to have any kids. That’s their choice.

It’s just one research article. I haven’t googled it to see if others have duplicated the findings. I post to show what’s out there.

I do know people who raise their kids to specifically become parents —as if it’s going to be the kids inevitable future.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:02:25pm
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Arkansawyer  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:02:30pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

Sounds like the conversations I have every single time I see family. They always ask “when’s the wedding, again?” followed up by “when are you two going to have kids?” The older the family member the more confusion/disgust comes across their face when I tell them we aren’t sure if or when we’ll have kids.

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:04:09pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. I’d have figured the moral outrage would be limited to potential grandparents, and that mostly those who had children would feel alternating jealousy and superiority.

I have a strong suspicion that a fair number of couples have kids because it is expected of them and they don’t enjoy parenthood as much as they might. Having now done their “duty” they resent people who don’t have kids and use the money they would have spent on diapers and daycare on fun stuff.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:04:41pm

re: #274 calochortus

WTF? I mean I had kids because Mr. C. and I decided we would like children (and we did like them.) I feel very sorry for people who want kids and can’t have them, but if you don’t want kids, why would I care?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:05:56pm

re: #288 calochortus

I have a strong suspicion that a fair number of couples have kids because it is expected of them and they don’t enjoy parenthood as much as they might. Having now done their “duty” they resent people who don’t have kids and use the money they would have spent on diapers and daycare on fun stuff.

House of Cards - S04E12 - Do you regret not having children?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:06:16pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

This is not quite the entirety of the GOP health care plan. We can’t forget the useful instructions: “Take two aspirin and fuck off and die next morning.”

And the contraception part of the plan: Put them between your knees.

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TedStriker  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:07:29pm

re: #258 Anymouse

Regime change … gaaa … Iraq on steroids.

And the second we actually invaded North Korea, the People’s Republic of China would send hundreds of thousands of PLA troops to counter it.

And all of the NorK artillery just north all along the DMZ that’s trained on South Korea, Seoul is going to be nothing but a smoking ruin before we have a chance to take any appreciable number of pieces out.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:07:52pm

OK, this guy, in my book, is the GOAT of boot skiing.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:08:15pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:09:44pm

re: #290 Timothy Watson

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It’s not a Christian Marriage without children.

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:11:03pm

re: #287 Arkansawyer

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:11:57pm

There’s much more before these, and one after.

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:13:33pm

re: #295 Birth Control Works

Fits what I see in my Facebook feed.

I contend that we, in the US, are being forced into a religious war by fundamentalists, who are desperate to escape the reality that their formerly Christian counterparts in Europe faced (in WWI and WWII). Namely, that “Christendom” is at a dead end.

Trump is incredibly immoral by traditional Christian standards. Yet all these Christian fundamentalists in America are flocking to him. Why?

Because he’s their entry into the holy war they desire so much.

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:13:40pm

re: #296 Birth Control Works

It’s not a Christian Marriage without children.

Another advantage to atheism?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:14:43pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

People Feel Moral Outrage Toward Those Who Decide Not to Have Kids

I have been a victim of that in certain ways. Some of it is subtle. When engaged-“When are you getting married?” Then very soon after marriage, “when are you having kids?” Then “Why not?” with a critical tone. Whoa that better be family asking or a lifelong friend. Or cover the kids ears, cause it’s gonna get intense. Young fathers often get promotions and raises ahead of the pack.

Screw those judgemental fools. Methinks they have resentments about how hard it is to be a parent that gets projected.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:15:13pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:15:28pm

Congregants of the Word of Faith Fellowship were regularly punched, smacked, choked, slammed to the floor or thrown through walls in a violent form of deliverance meant to “purify” sinners by beating out devils, 43 former members told The Associated Press in separate, exclusive interviews.

Victims of the violence included pre-teens and toddlers — even crying babies, who were vigorously shaken, screamed at and sometimes smacked to banish demons.

“I saw so many people beaten over the years. Little kids punched in the face, called Satanists,” said Katherine Fetachu, 27, who spent nearly 17 years in the church.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:16:40pm

re: #299 freetoken

Fits what I see in my Facebook feed.

I contend that we, in the US, are being forced into a religious war by fundamentalists, who are desperate to escape the reality that their formerly Christian counterparts in Europe faced (in WWI and WWII). Namely, that “Christendom” is at a dead end.

Trump is incredibly immoral by traditional Christian standards. Yet all these Christian fundamentalists in America are flocking to him. Why?

Because he’s their entry into the holy war they desire so much.

yes, too many people in a limited space = war

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:16:47pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

So he found the money to cover Melania’s expenses for the next 6 months. Dig a little deeper, Trumpy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:16:58pm

So anyway read a transcript of the speech from last night. Paged a few thoughts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:04pm

Two things about having kids.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:05pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Huntsman for ambassador to Russia and “as it happens, his father owns business there”: and his daughter is now a turd-spouting Foxbot.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:20pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

There’s no money to build a wall that is a boondoggle to start with. He’ll slash and burn existing programs, including safety net and other key programs to pay for the wall.

And Trump in his own words explained how to circumvent his idiotic wall.

Get a rope. Or a ladder.

Trump: “Maybe a Rope”

Ropes and ladders. The kinds of things you can get in Home Depot or Ace hardware. For under $100, you can circumvent the wall that will likely cost more than $10 million a mile (2,000 miles - at $10 million a mile… carry the zeros… yeah, that is $20 billion).

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:21pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:26pm

I can’t sign into twitter.

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:19:33pm

re: #304 Birth Control Works

yes, too many people in a limited space = war

I’m not sure I would go that far. Many of the more crowded areas of this planet have not been the centers of warfare in a long time, while sparsely populated areas have seen warfare in recent times.

What we have faced, though, is the problem with nationalism-at-all-costs. This gets to the crux of the us-vs-them problem.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:20:52pm
VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Kayfabe

Kayfabe is often seen as the suspension of disbelief that is used to create the non-wrestling aspects of promotions, such as feuds, angles, and gimmicks, in a manner similar to other forms of fictional entertainment. In relative terms, a wrestler breaking kayfabe during a show would be likened to breaking character by an actor on-camera. Also, since wrestling is performed in front of a live audience, whose interaction with the show is crucial to its success, kayfabe can be compared to the fourth wall in acting, since there is hardly any conventional fourth wall to begin with.

re: #306 Unshaken Defiance

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:21:33pm

re: #296 Birth Control Works

It’s not a Christian Marriage without children.

Except churches seem to ignore things like too old for children, fixed not to have children, previous divorces (other than the RCC), &c

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:23:23pm

re: #297 calochortus

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:23:46pm

re: #306 Unshaken Defiance

Should have used NWO Hulk Hogan.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:23:51pm

re: #312 freetoken

I’m not sure I would go that far. Many of the more crowded areas of this planet have not been the centers of warfare in a long time, while sparsely populated areas have seen warfare in recent times.

What we have faced, though, is the problem with nationalism-at-all-costs. This gets to the crux of the us-vs-them problem.

true — yet, some of the most crowded parts of the planet have had tyrannical governments —

I think the level of diversity and freedom in our experiment reaches a violent tipping point with an increase in population.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:26:34pm

I remember shopping with my MIL after my marriage and she said it didn’t matter what I bought as my body was going to change after I had kids.

really pissed-me-off.

Instead of saying that she thought I was too skinny … .

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:26:39pm

re: #315 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:28:58pm

re: #318 Birth Control Works

I remember shopping with my MIL after my marriage and she said it didn’t matter what I bought as my body was going to change after I had kids.

really pissed-me-off.

Instead of saying that she thought I was too skinny … .

My wife constantly pound on the “you’re too skinny” angle, though she says her taste in men’s shapes changed after she met me.

When she offers me way to much food, I’ll make some comment like “you’re fattening me up for market.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:29:02pm

posted just because the image is soooo cute.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:29:40pm

re: #314 Anymouse

Except churches seem to ignore things like too old for children, fixed not to have children, previous divorces (other than the RCC), &c

I think the prevalence of that view is the “marriage is between a man and a woman” legislation and sentiment.

The idea that there can be more than one path for individuals is beyond many people.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:30:38pm

re: #319 calochortus

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:31:28pm

re: #323 Anymouse

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:31:40pm

Hey, I can be grandmom to a dog.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:32:00pm

re: #311 Birth Control Works

I can’t sign into twitter.

Lucky you. //s

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:32:06pm

Anyhoo, I need to get a few things done in the yard while the sun is shining.

BBL

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:33:55pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:35:22pm

re: #295 Birth Control Works

Glad to see that Black Protestants haven’t drank that bitter anti-immigrant Kool Aid. We are all immigrants here except Native Americans. Never forget.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:36:30pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:37:13pm
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MsJ  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:37:18pm

re: #224 Blind Frog Belly White

Mmmmmmmm…..Samosas…….

Isn’t he a baseball player? /

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:37:43pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:40:50pm

re: #331 Birth Control Works

So… Any way we can run this news by all those congresscritters who claim they “aren’t scientists”? I’d love to hear their unscientific explanation for this.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:41:06pm

re: #330 Birth Control Works

CNN Reports That It Got Played On Its Not-So-Anonymous Immigration Scoop From Trump

JOHN KING (HOST): Interesting twist, although it does make you wonder, so we’re not supposed to believe what the senior-most official at the lunch says, who then they allowed it to be the president’s name says, we’re not supposed to believe what they say, maybe we shouldn’t believe what they say.

But they don’t care what they report is accurate. They care about lots of eyeballs and money.

Next time the administration puts out BS, I assure you they will go no farther in their research than a microphone to broadcast it.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:41:31pm

Teen Vogue is doing a great job

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:41:51pm

re: #330 Birth Control Works

CNN Reports That It Got Played On Its Not-So-Anonymous Immigration Scoop From Trump

It’s as if Michael Bay made a movie based on Chicken Little and The Boy Who Cried Wolf as a political thriller. Sadly, kinda non fiction in our case.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:42:54pm

re: #332 Birth Control Works

If there is some woman unlucky enough to be this man’s wife, I hope she slaps him hard in the face.

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coin operated  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:42:58pm

re: #292 TedStriker

And all of the NorK artillery just north all along the DMZ that’s trained on South Korea, Seoul is going to be nothing but a smoking ruin before we have a chance to take any appreciable number of pieces out.

Major Kong still here? He spoke at length about this over at Gin & Tacos. If we attack, the North starts shelling Seoul as a first response. The casualty estimates top 100K in the first hour of the conflict.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:43:43pm

[…]

The U.S. says “plenary power” derives from the U.S. Constitution. Many scholars have criticized this argument and shown through historical evidence that the Constitution does not provide for “plenary power” over Indians.

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has joined the scholarly critique. In a concurring opinion in U.S. v. Bryant (2016), Thomas said, “Congress’ purported plenary power over Indian tribes rests on even shakier foundations. No enumerated power—not Congress’ power to ‘regulate Commerce … with Indian Tribes,’ not the Senate’s role in approving treaties, nor anything else—gives Congress such sweeping authority. … [T]he Court has searched in vain for any valid constitutional justification for this unfettered power.”

[…]

The U.S. Supreme Court has admitted that Native Nations are not party to the constitution: In Blatchford v. Native Village of Noatak and Circle Village (1991), Justice Scalia dismissed an argument about tribal sovereign immunity by saying, “it would be absurd to suggest that the tribes surrendered immunity in a convention to which they were not even parties.”

[…]

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:44:45pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:46:24pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

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The best intelligence, bigly, yuge.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:46:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:46:41pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

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Trump lied? My surprised face is getting a workout.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:46:42pm

bbl

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:48:38pm

re: #235 Anymouse

Since when does McDonalds authorise the police to make arrests? (Particularly if a picket is not on their property.)

Same state that fought VW over unions. I wonder if the police were acting on the word of the Governor Bill Haslam. He seems to be extremely anti-union.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:51:08pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

…. BUT THE APPLAUSE!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:53:11pm

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:57:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:57:35pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Look like things have not changed in Memphis since 1968 when MLK came to town to support striking garbage collectors.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:58:09pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 3:58:45pm

Here’s Kurt Vonnegut giving a sermon to the Catholic Church about nuclear annihilation in 1982.

Iframe

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:00:12pm

‘Murica.

‘Mama June’ Sets WE tv Premiere Records In L+3

by Greg Evans March 1, 2017 1:15pm

Last week’s series premiere of WE tv’s Mama June: From Not to Hot delivered 2.3 million total viewers in Nielsen’s Live+3 ratings, making the February 24 airing the network’s best series premiere ever in total viewers and key demos.

Mama June was Friday night’s top program among women and the No. 1 ad-supported cable program in its 10 PM ET/PT time period in Live+3. That metric delivered 2.29 million total viewers, an increase of 61% over Live+same day; 1.13 million adults 25-54 (+84% over L+SD); 1.09 million adults 18-49 (+88%); 839,000 women 25-54 (+84%) and 802,000 women 18-49 (+89%).

“At a time when so much is competing for viewers’ attention, Mama June’s journey is proof that great storytelling with compelling characters can break out and deliver a significant and engaged audience,” said Marc Juris, WE tv president. “Mama June shares an honest, emotional and relatable story that is empowering as well as entertaining.”

The series chronicles Honey Boo Boo’s Mama June as she learns that her ex (Sugar Bear) is getting married, gets plastic surgery and embarks on a workout program. The second episode airs at 10 PM March 3. Mama June: From Not to Hot is produced for WE tv by ThinkFactory Media.

deadline.com

And people thought I was kidding when I suggested that Milo would be back with his own show, The Pedo Files, soon.

You can never underestimate the intelligence and complete lack of taste of the average American. It just isn’t possible.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:01:18pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:01:46pm

re: #354 Skip Intro

Will this interfere with her campaign for president?

/kidding (I hope)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:02:12pm
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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:02:52pm

re: #354 Skip Intro

It’ll drop like a rock in subsequent weeks I’d bet. I hope it does at least.

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:04:23pm

re: #358 JordanRules

I was wondering what the hell WE tv is, but I don’t think I want to know.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:07:49pm

I’m working out in my shop with the radio on when I hear an ABC reporter say “Republicans do not see…”. Right then I thought I heard “Republicans do Nazi…”, to which I thought “Duh”.

Back to work… :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:08:44pm

re: #359 Skip Intro

It’s a womans channel I believe.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:10:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:11:23pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wha-a-at?

Okay, I realize the Chinese have put a lot of effort into this ‘Global Warming’ hoax, but they might have overplayed this a little bit….
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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:11:42pm

re: #359 Skip Intro

You don’t.

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majii  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:13:12pm

re: #325 Birth Control Works

“Hey, I can be a grandmom to a dog.”

That’s what I am. I’m over 60, and my only chance at being a grandmother, my daughter, has zero kids. When she moved to another state, she brought me a Chihuahua mix, my precious “grandson.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:13:19pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

Kill those evil liberals!!! (I’m kidding, but this is exactly what Trump voters are thinking.)

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

Wha-a-at?

Okay, I realize the Chinese have put a lot of effort into this ‘Global Warming’ hoax, but they might have overplayed this a little bit….
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Can someone remake the “This is fine” dog with a penguin?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:15:12pm

re: #362 teleskiguy

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Yeah, I’m guessing the quote is fake.

The truth of course never needs to be supported with lies. It’s almost as if conservatives don’t have the truth, so they have to lie about liberals. (See also: the religious against atheists.)

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:15:13pm

re: #364 JordanRules

I see it’s another channel that Directv gives me the privilege of paying for.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:15:26pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:16:17pm

re: #362 teleskiguy

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:16:24pm

re: #365 majii

“Hey, I can be a grandmom to a dog.”

That’s what I am. I’m over 60, and my only chance at being a grandmother, my daughter, has zero kids. When she moved to another state, she brought me a Chihuahua mix, my precious “grandson.”

My mom has a grandcat through my older brother.

He’s 34 and I’m 29 and my mom is SOL for awhile. At least my brother has a girlfriend, more than can be said for me.

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Donkey With No Name  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:16:26pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

My roses are blooming. (Admittedly this is Austin, but still.)

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:17:23pm

re: #369 Skip Intro

As noted below, started billed as a ‘women’s channel’ like how MTV used to be a music channel. Full of unreality TV dreck now.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:17:41pm

re: #371 Skip Intro

👍

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:19:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:22:21pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

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I read it described as the same nationalism, but using his inside voice.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:22:52pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:23:15pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:23:43pm

re: #371 Skip Intro

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:24:28pm

re: #362 teleskiguy

Why was Emma Stone talking about white people like that?

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:24:55pm

Hmmm… not sure what to expect

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:25:07pm

The pixelatedboat person is being sarcastic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:25:27pm

The First Rule of Tautology Club is the First Rule of Tautology Club!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:26:34pm

re: #362 teleskiguy
That quote is fake and was discussed here a few days ago.

re: #371 Skip Intro
McCain’s tweet is also fake; here’s his actual tweet:

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:26:46pm

How not to throw a front flip on skis.

Instagram

#tuckandhucktuesday #sendorbesent // @tristan_mcdevitt @cameronb_12

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:28:09pm

“He told us to wait!”

“But that was yesterday!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:28:17pm

re: #381 Belafon

Why was Emma Stone talking about white people like that?

She didn’t.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:28:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:29:32pm

re: #383 GlutenFreeJesus

The pixelatedboat person is being sarcastic.

pixelatedboat person is a fake news person.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:30:41pm

I was well aware of the fakery of the Emma Stone quote before I even posted it. I just thought it was funny. I guess the line between what’s real and what’s satire is as blurry as Hans Moleman’s vision without his glasses on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:31:23pm
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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:31:30pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

She didn’t.

I know. I was trying to play with the quote. You see, it was playing on conservativexs views on liberals and immigrants, so I was playing on it….

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:31:36pm

from my fb:

I’m giving up watching our President for Lent.. beginning tonight. I truly believe I will be healthier.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:32:06pm

re: #391 teleskiguy

I was well aware of the fakery of the Emma Stone quote before I even posted it. I just thought it was funny. I guess the line between what’s real and what’s satire is as blurry as Hans Moleman’s vision without his glasses on.

We are all Poe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:33:55pm

so a “joke” about serial killers (that wingnuts took seriously) is funny…

got it.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:34:06pm

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe he could license his name to lemonade stands and bake sales.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:34:23pm

re: #394 Birth Control Works

from my fb:

Years ago, I gave up giving up for Lent for Lent, and haven’t relented.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:34:57pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

That wingnuts took it seriously, yes, I find that pretty funny.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:36:00pm

re: #397 Belafon

Maybe he could license his name to lemonade stands and bake sales.

Hijack some trucks of Girl Scout Cookies, wrap the boxes in gold paper with a big ‘T’ on them, and sell them for $25/box.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:36:19pm

re: #399 teleskiguy

That wingnuts took it seriously, yes, I find that pretty funny.

but you thought it was just fine to post that without any explanation that it was completely fake.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:37:16pm

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought the fakery would be obvious to this board.

Guess not. I’ll be more mindful going forward when I post things here that I find funny.

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:37:35pm
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:38:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:40:50pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

I thought the fakery would be obvious to this board.

Guess not. I’ll be more mindful going forward when I post things here that I find funny.

It’s not always obvious to this board…just look at how many times folks apologize for posting fake things. Just add a note that something is fake when you want share something fake.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:40:55pm

Walking is more dangerous than cycling. If we made pedestrians wear helmets, would it motivate anyone to make walking safer?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:41:41pm

stonekettle.com

Jim Wright weighs in on the recent election in a new essay called “Red Sea” (referring to the number of precincts that voted out of fear).

The article is interesting for a number of reasons, most notably for Democrats not addressing fifty years of GOP fear-mongering, and popular votes don’t matter, electoral votes do (something I get shot down for every time I mention it).

He points out that while many conservatives voted from hatred (and those voters are likely unreachable), others voted from fear (Democrats are going to make my church marry gays, &c). Democrats addressed the hatred (which got them nothing), and did not address the fear (which might have done so).

He also addresses conservatives (though I doubt many read his blog), noting that Trump (and the GOP in general) has accomplished exactly zero of their promises (repeal and replace the ACA, &c).

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:43:44pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:47:34pm

Anybody want to spare $34 mil?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:49:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:49:40pm

re: #409 teleskiguy

Anybody want to spare $34 mil?

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So, two bathrooms for each bedroom? That seems an odd choice.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:50:04pm

re: #407 Anymouse

Democrats addressed the lack of jobs, the need for education. Democrats have pointed out for years that you can’t make a church perform a wedding it does not want to do. Democrats point out that blacks and gays weren’t trying to get any special privileges, they just wanted to be treated any suggestions equals.

What Democrats didn’t do was tell conservatives that blacks would go away and that we’d promise to never elect a black president again.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:51:54pm

re: #411 Blind Frog Belly White

So, two bathrooms for each bedroom? That seems an odd choice.

10 people can take a shit or go tinkle *at the same time!*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:52:37pm

re: #412 Belafon

Democrats addressed the lack of jobs, the need for education. Democrats have pointed out for years that you can’t make a church perform a wedding it does not want to do. Democrats point out that blacks and gays weren’t trying to get any special privileges, they just wanted to be treated any suggestions equals.

What Democrats didn’t do was tell conservatives that blacks would go away and that we’d promise to never elect a black president again.

Democrats treated voters like adults. Trump et al. treated voters like children.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:52:42pm

re: #412 Belafon

Democrats addressed the lack of jobs, the need for education. Democrats have pointed out for years that you can’t make a church perform a wedding it does not want to do. Democrats point out that blacks and gays weren’t trying to get any special privileges, they just wanted to be treated any suggestions equals.

What Democrats didn’t do was tell conservatives that blacks would go away and that we’d promise to never elect a black president again.

Charles P. Pierce:

Holy mother of god, I’m tired of reading quotes from people who live in places where the local economy went to hell or Mexico in 1979, and who have spent the intervening years swallowing whatever Jesus Juice was offered up by theocratic bunco artists of the Christocentric Right, and gulping down great flagons of barely disguised hatemongering against the targets of the day, all the while voting against their own best interests, now claiming that empowering Donald Trump as the man who will “shake things up” on their behalf was the only choice they had left. You had plenty of choices left…

You all had the same choices we all had. You saddled the rest of us with misrule and disaster. Own it. I empathize, but I will not sympathize.

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:53:26pm

This is a really good tweetstorm (and it’s conveniently threaded):

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:54:12pm

And so, today, Lent begins again. 40 days before Holy Week and Easter to traditionally consider our sinful nature and meditate on how to truly repent & turn around in our lives and actually live by the teachings that we claim to believe in.

“Remember that you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” This is important to remember for all of us I think. I find it easy to believe in God, yet do not believe in an afterlife. I will be dust and what spark is the soul will simply go back to the energy that is whatever it is. All that will be of me is what I do here and now.

I just wish that a few of those who so loudly proclaim their Christianity would take the time to remember that they too will return to the dust and mend their ways before then.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:55:00pm

re: #409 teleskiguy

Anybody want to spare $34 mil?

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I can’t even afford the decorative soap budget for this house.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:55:10pm

Unfuc….

Nope. Totally fucking believable. Even State Department is making up crap about history and the role of NATO:

History primer:

NATO began after the 2d world war. It now includes nations like Germany, who we fought in both world wars. And a bunch of former Warsaw Pact nations we were more than willing to nuke or overrun in a war with the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:56:46pm

Talk to Eugene at TWD, Alice…he’s got them…

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2017 • 4:57:15pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:00:46pm

In case anyone thought Obama was just sitting on his hands during the transition…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:02:22pm

I’ve witnessed two of these happening at my farm and it’s a gobsmacking event to behold:

The National Weather Service in Wilmington OH has confirmed a Microburst /Straight Line Wind Damage/ near Morning View in Campbell County Kentucky on March 1 2017.
The damage began just to the north of Wolf Road where a barn was 80 percent destroyed by a strong gust of wind from the west. The debris from the barn was thrown to the east for several hundred yards. At a neighboring house, a large limb fell on a home.
Additionally a large tree, about a 100 feet tall and 3 to 4 feet in diameter, was knocked down between the house and a detached garage. The tree appeared to be partially diseased.
Farther east at the corner of Wolf Road and Clay Ridge, two barns were damaged. The first barn had the roof partially peeled back from west to east. The other barn was missed some siding and had minor roof damage. This was the end of the damage path.

This information can also be found on our website at weather.gov.

For reference…
A microburst is a convective downdraft with an affected outflow area of less than 2 1/2 miles wide and peak winds lasting less than 5 minutes. Microbursts may induce dangerous horizontal and vertical wind shears…which can adversely affect aircraft performance and cause property damage. Straight-line winds are generally any wind that is not associated with rotation…used mainly to differentiate them from tornadic winds.

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:02:25pm

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Birth Control Works  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:04:20pm

bbl

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:04:23pm

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Talk to Eugene at TWD, Alice…he’s got them…

It isn’t “On The Beach” yet but the change is coming and thanks to the GOP there is nothing we can do to stop it, only survive it.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:04:46pm

re: #412 Belafon

Democrats addressed the lack of jobs, the need for education. Democrats have pointed out for years that you can’t make a church perform a wedding it does not want to do. Democrats point out that blacks and gays weren’t trying to get any special privileges, they just wanted to be treated any suggestions equals.

What Democrats didn’t do was tell conservatives that blacks would go away and that we’d promise to never elect a black president again.

I would recommend reading Mr. Wright’s article.

In plain conversations between voters, for example, how many times have you seen a liberal argue “well, we should tax the churches.”

We know that isn’t going to happen. However, in every church where there are people who are exactly afraid of that, all those voters are going to go for the GOP.

How many times did Hillary Clinton walk into a church and say “we’re not going to force you to marry gays if you don’t want?” None. Not once. Never mind the government can’t do that anyway, voters believe they might.

Mr. Wright addresses the voters who voted from fear (they’re coming for my guns, to destroy my church, &c), and the fact that under our Constitution, square miles actually do matter.

Three million more people voted for Hillary Clinton. In a direct democracy, she would be President.

But this isn’t a direct democracy.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:07:28pm

Night Lizards.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:08:06pm

re: #422 InfidelOfFreedom

In case anyone thought Obama was just sitting on his hands during the transition…

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Interesting how they spread it out & left a trail for investigators.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:08:21pm

re: #427 Anymouse

Wright also addressed fact that this election and this situation began because Democrats didn’t turn out to vote in 2010 and 2014 - the midterms, where Democrats lost the House and Senate, both of which have fallen into the hands of Vandals willing to sack the nation’s treasure for their personal power and profit.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:11:13pm
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freetoken  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:11:24pm

The Loss-of-God problem… is turning out to be a really, really big problem for the USA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:11:29pm

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

Democrats treated voters like adults. Trump et al. treated voters like children.

I really think it’s as simple as that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:14:11pm

re: #415 BeachDem

Charles P. Pierce:

Holy mother of god, I’m tired of reading quotes from people who live in places where the local economy went to hell or Mexico in 1979, and who have spent the intervening years swallowing whatever Jesus Juice was offered up by theocratic bunco artists of the Christocentric Right, and gulping down great flagons of barely disguised hatemongering against the targets of the day, all the while voting against their own best interests, now claiming that empowering Donald Trump as the man who will “shake things up” on their behalf was the only choice they had left. You had plenty of choices left…

You all had the same choices we all had. You saddled the rest of us with misrule and disaster. Own it. I empathize, but I will not sympathize.

esquire.com

I read that earlier. I agree 100%.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:15:10pm

re: #430 lawhawk

Wright also addressed fact that this election and this situation began because Democrats didn’t turn out to vote in 2010 and 2014 - the midterms, where Democrats lost the House and Senate, both of which have fallen into the hands of Vandals willing to sack the nation’s treasure for their personal power and profit.

We’re going to need turnout in 2018. Fortunately, I think the odds are in our favor even though the Senate math is against us.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:15:58pm

re: #429 Stanley Sea

Interesting how they spread it out & left a trail for investigators.

I almost forgot smart people used to run our government.

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:18:25pm

So… I keep thinking about Adam Curtis’ documentary The Century of the Self.

The insights in those episodes apply to today, to Trump, and to America.

One of the powers and techniques of advertising is simply repetition.

Trump knows this. He knows that if he tells a lie over and over some noticeable segment of the population will believe it to be true.

This is hard to counter, in no small part because the medium of delivery for these lies, television mostly, is a creation of the very same paradigm that brought us Trump.

Commercial television, and in the US almost all television is commercial, exists to sell advertisement. Advertisements that rely upon the same techniques that Trump uses.

This is a pernicious problem. It is more fundamental than even the USSC cases that have neutered the minimal attempts to limit money in politics.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:25:55pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:26:13pm

re: #389 Birth Control Works

Col. Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III (CSA, ret.) has a position for him.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:26:29pm

Clearly, the Chinese will stop at nothing to perpetuate their hoax on gullible liberals. First a balmy Antarctica, now Canada is melting.

*Ack sorry… just saw already posted above!

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:27:49pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:27:51pm

re: #430 lawhawk

Wright also addressed fact that this election and this situation began because Democrats didn’t turn out to vote in 2010 and 2014 - the midterms, where Democrats lost the House and Senate, both of which have fallen into the hands of Vandals willing to sack the nation’s treasure for their personal power and profit.

Yup. Democratic voters seem to have this problem in voting in elections that don’t involve the Presidency.

As he noted, every election matters. But not just elections, every town council meeting. Every school board meeting. Conservatives make a point showing up for them (I see it in my own village board - as I noted, I don’t know who the other six people here are that voted for Hillary Clinton or the two for Jill Stein - they never seem to turn up for village board meetings).

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:29:59pm

re: #411 Blind Frog Belly White

So, two bathrooms for each bedroom? That seems an odd choice.

Rich people love that, for some reason.

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sagehen  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:31:40pm

re: #442 Anymouse

]I don’t know who the other six people here are that voted for Hillary Clinton or the two for Jill Stein - they never seem to turn up for village board meetings).

They probably do; but they’ll never identify themselves that way. Every night at prayers, they thank the lord for the secret ballot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:32:01pm

re: #440 InfidelOfFreedom

Clearly, the Chinese will stop at nothing to perpetuate their hoax on gullible liberals. First a balmy Antarctica, now Canada is melting.

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Every time I look at that photo I keep thinking it’s an excellent look at kettle/vernal/ playa/pothole ponds. And then see how many in that photo are bone dry.
You can’t get that perspective on the ground.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:32:03pm

re: #427 Anymouse

I would recommend reading Mr. Wright’s article.

In plain conversations between voters, for example, how many times have you seen a liberal argue “well, we should tax the churches.”

We know that isn’t going to happen. However, in every church where there are people who are exactly afraid of that, all those voters are going to go for the GOP.

How many times did Hillary Clinton walk into a church and say “we’re not going to force you to marry gays if you don’t want?” None. Not once. Never mind the government can’t do that anyway, voters believe they might.

Mr. Wright addresses the voters who voted from fear (they’re coming for my guns, to destroy my church, &c), and the fact that under our Constitution, square miles actually do matter.

Three million more people voted for Hillary Clinton. In a direct democracy, she would be President.

But this isn’t a direct democracy.

Because people who think Hillary is coming for their guns so she can force them to gay-marry are really going to believe her…

JFC, I need to increase my aspirin budget.

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:32:10pm

re: #439 Skip Intro

Sorry, my browser is all hosed up right now.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:32:29pm

re: #443 Skip Intro

Rich people love that, for some reason.

When my wealthy aunt and uncle built their Dream House, they put 8 bathrooms in it. They’ve never heard the end of it from the rest of the family.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:33:16pm

re: #443 Skip Intro

Rich people love that, for some reason.

I said something to the wife about this, she sez right off “His and Hers” for several rooms plus others around the house and garage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:33:22pm

re: #441 lawhawk

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The word “Russia” never passed his lips.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:34:14pm

re: #435 HappyWarrior

We’re going to need turnout in 2018. Fortunately, I think the odds are in our favor even though the Senate math is against us.

We’ll have to see. If the recent outrage as expressed in protests, and the elections in Conn. and Del. are an indication of future performance, then maybe so.

The GOP not delivering on its promises (or screwing them up) might not swing a bunch of conservatives our way, but it might cause enough of them to not turn out to vote in places where elections could be close.

That said, conservatives have a long tradition of stoking fears to get their voters to the polls.

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:34:21pm

re: #449 Dave In Austin

So who gets to clean them all?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:34:42pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every time I look at that photo I keep thinking it’s an excellent look at kettle/vernal/ playa/pothole ponds. And then see how many in that photo are bone dry.
You can’t get that perspective on the ground.

So true… I thought it looked like the surface of another planet.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:35:13pm

re: #444 sagehen

They probably do; but they’ll never identify themselves that way. Every night at prayers, they thank the lord for the secret ballot.

LOL. That said, everyone in town knows where I stand on that liberal-conservative line (somewhere off to the left of it).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:35:21pm

re: #446 Timothy Watson

Because people who think Hillary is coming for their guns so she can force them to gay-marry are really going to believe her…

JFC, I need to increase my aspirin budget.

Yeah i’m sorry but I really don’t think HRC saying that would have convinced them. In fact, I think if she had said that, they might have doubled down even more. These people aren’t children. If they really think that legal same sex marriage was going to force their churches to perform SSM, that’s on them especially since the election came an entire year after the Supreme Court made its ruling.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:36:15pm

re: #451 Anymouse

We’ll have to see. If the recent outrage as expressed in protests, and the elections in Conn. and Del. are an indication of future performance, then maybe so.

The GOP not delivering on its promises (or screwing them up) might not swing a bunch of conservatives our way, but it might cause enough of them to not turn out to vote in places where elections could be close.

That said, conservatives have a long tradition of stoking fears to get their voters to the polls.

Well we’ll see what happens. These things do run in cycles but a lot can happen between now and next fall.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:36:43pm

re: #452 Skip Intro

Someone who draws a paycheck and lives way downstream.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:37:20pm
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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:37:39pm

re: #446 Timothy Watson

Because people who think Hillary is coming for their guns so she can force them to gay-marry are really going to believe her…

JFC, I need to increase my aspirin budget.

I’ll just quote a small section of Mr. Wright’s post and leave it at that. He makes the same arguments I do (but much more eloquently).

Look at that map.

Look at that sea of fear.

Democrats, liberals, progressives, they lost because they ignored reality. Because they dismissed that red sea as unimportant. Because they dismissed those fears as ridiculous. Because they saw the whole middle of the country as nothing but a bunch of ignorant hicks, dumb rednecks, and unimportant. Because they were confident they’d win the popular vote.

That, that right there, is why they lost.

And that, that right there, is why they will continue to lose.

All politics are local.

Liberals, progressives, democrats, are going to have to show up. At town halls. At community meetings. At local elections. At school boards. Everywhere in that sea of red, and they are gong to have to address those fears.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:37:51pm

re: #458 Charles Johnson

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And he’s not, he’ll blame the left and a lot of his cultists will go for it.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:38:27pm

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Yeah i’m sorry but I really don’t think HRC saying that would have convinced them. In fact, I think if she had said that, they might have doubled down even more. These people aren’t children. If they really think that legal same sex marriage was going to force their churches to perform SSM, that’s on them especially since the election came an entire year after the Supreme Court made its ruling.

Republicans and the “liberal” media so thoroughly branded her as untrustworthy that she could have walked in and declared Jesus the lord and savior and the congregation would walk out atheists.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:39:02pm

re: #459 Anymouse

I’ll just quote a small section of Mr. Wright’s post and leave it at that. He makes the same arguments I do (but much more eloquently).

Again, how do you get through to people who have spent 20+ years listening to Fox News and Limbaugh?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:39:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:39:37pm

re: #461 InfidelOfFreedom

Republicans and the “liberal” media so thoroughly branded her as untrustworthy that she could have walked in and declared Jesus the lord and savior and the congregation would walk out atheists.

I mean we are talking about people who refuse to accept that Democrats can be Christians. A lot is made of Democratic voters being oblivious and living in a bubble but I say these people live in a bubble too.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:40:53pm

And, just to repeat what HappyWarrior said, in more brusque terms:
I AM SICK OF THE EXPECTATION THAT LIBERALS SHOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN STUFF TO ADULTS LIKE THEY ARE FIVE-YEAR OLD CHILDREN.

“The gays aren’t coming for you and your children” shouldn’t have to be explained to adults in the same way you tell a child “Don’t touch the stove, you’ll get burned.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:41:17pm

re: #462 Timothy Watson

Again, how do you get through to people who have spent 20+ years listening to Fox News and Limbaugh?

Exactly, no one is saying these areas should be completely ignored and I honestly disagree with the suggestion that the Clinton campaign completely ignored them. A lot of these people simple did not want to listen to our message because they have for so long bought so much of the lies about our agenda. I respect Wright but I really don’t think it’s that simple. And I know that you yourself live in a red area of our state with a red family ot boot.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:42:42pm

re: #465 Timothy Watson

And, just to repeat what HappyWarrior said, in more brusque terms:
I AM SICK OF THE EXPECTATION THAT LIBERALS SHOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN STUFF TO ADULTS LIKE THEY ARE FIVE-YEAR OLD CHILDREN.

“The gays aren’t coming for you and your children” shouldn’t have to be explained to adults in the same way you tell a child “Don’t touch the stove, you’ll get burned.”

Or- “Allowing Muslims to build places of worship isn’t a threat to your right to worship freely.” I’m sorry but these people need to be treated like adults and if they don’t like that, too fucking bad. I’m sick of the fact that we have to explain basic decency to people.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:42:49pm

re: #466 HappyWarrior

Exactly, no one is saying these areas should be completely ignored and I honestly disagree with the suggestion that the Clinton campaign completely ignored them. A lot of these people simple did not want to listen to our message because they have for so long bought so much of the lies about our agenda. I respect Wright but I really don’t think it’s that simple. And I know that you yourself live in a red area of our state with a red family ot boot.

Clinton staffers who worked their asses off in Iowa would find it news to them that ‘they wrote off entire areas’.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:43:13pm

re: #461 InfidelOfFreedom

Republicans and the “liberal” media so thoroughly branded her as untrustworthy that she could have walked in and declared Jesus the lord and savior and the congregation would walk out atheists.

And as Mr. Wright notes, until liberals come up with an effective means of addressing those fears, we will continue to lose.

It’s too hard, or your variant of “they are dumb religious hicks,” isn’t going to win elections.

Your argument also implies that Hillary Clinton was a bad choice for a candidate. If the Democratic Party knew that (“the congregation would walk out atheists”) then how about a different candidate?

Sometimes the man or woman you want for an office is unelectable just because. Is it fair to Hillary Clinton that the GOP has been bashing her for thirty plus years? Certainly not. But politics is not a nice game and never has been in this country.

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mmmirele  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:43:19pm

re: #295 Birth Control Works

That 76 percent is pretty close to the 81 percent of white evangelicals who voted for Trump. No surprise here.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:43:32pm

re: #468 Timothy Watson

Clinton staffers who worked their asses off in Iowa would find it news to them that ‘they wrote off entire areas’.

And in Ohio. I will grant that the Clinton campaign underestimated Michigan and Wisconsin.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:44:32pm

re: #471 HappyWarrior

And in Ohio. I will grant that the Clinton campaign underestimated Michigan and Wisconsin.

Yeah, and the stuff I’ve read about Michigan made the campaign there look like a total shitshow.

As in people not doing the basic elements of their jobs.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:45:08pm

re: #459 Anymouse

I agree with that, and that was a failure of a lot of Democrats (none here). ALL Democrats need to show up to vote all the freakin’ time.

But that’s not the same thing as saying that we didn’t try to address the concerns of conservatives. As for calling them hicks, after seeing the farmersonly.com ads, I’m not going to get all bent out of shape trying to apologize for people that aren’t me. And the one thing I will not try to make them feel better on is this: I will not apologize for thinking minorities need to be treated as equals. I will explain as nicely as I can why they bigotry is hurting them, but I’m not going to give into the idea that more time needs to be given for them to come around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:45:41pm

re: #453 InfidelOfFreedom

So true… I thought it looked like the surface of another planet.

Those bone dry potholes really tell the tale about the permafrost disappearing. The tundra potpoles do not go dry in that quantity all at the same time if the permafrost is intact.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:45:57pm

re: #469 Anymouse

And as Mr. Wright notes, until liberals come up with an effective means of addressing those fears, we will continue to lose.

It’s too hard, or your variant of “they are dumb religious hicks,” isn’t going to win elections.

Your argument also implies that Hillary Clinton was a bad choice for a candidate. If the Democratic Party knew that (“the congregation would walk out atheists”) then how about a different candidate?

Sometimes the man or woman you want for an office is unelectable just because. Is it fair to Hillary Clinton that the GOP has been bashing her for thirty plus years? Certainly not. But politics is not a nice game and never has been in this country.

Well maybe they shouldn’t act like dumb, ignorant hicks. I’m sorry but if you honestly believe that same sex marriage means that your church is going to be forced to perform same sex marriages even though no church before the ruling was forced to perform heterosexual marriages before the ruling, I can’t help you. These areas shouldn’t be dismissed but at the same time, there’s only so much our candidates can do to communicate with people. You may not like hearing that but it’s the truth. Communication is a two way street.

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:45:57pm

I don’t blame Clinton. There are plenty of little things about which I could post-game sofa-quarterback nit-pick, but I cannot prove that my theoretical changes would have made a difference in the outcome.

American society today is the result of decades of super-luxury, of not having to really own up to tough decisions, burning the inheritance built by our ancestors, etc.

We could afford to be dumb.

At least for a while.

Some day the piper will be paid.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:46:31pm

Suddenly wingnuts believe, with a fierce faith and no evidence, that selling insurance policies across state lines will promote “competition” and “drive down costs” just like stealing underpants will yield huge profits!

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:46:53pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(sorry, not sorry…)

Just, because it needs repeating!

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:47:20pm

Everyone of those counties and cities had at least someone working in it to elect Clinton.

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WROTE OFF ENTIRE AREAS!!!1!

Really starting to rethink teetotalism…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:47:29pm

re: #472 Timothy Watson

Yeah, and the stuff I’ve read about Michigan made the campaign there look like a total shitshow.

As in people not doing the basic elements of their jobs.

Yeah no doubt.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:48:21pm

re: #478 Floral Giraffe

It is good to see you Floral. :)

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:48:36pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:48:43pm

I was not even aware that insurance companies based in one state were not allowed to sell policies out of state, oh wait they do. It’s just that, if you live in Michigan, what is the point in having an insurance policy that only covers providers in Wyoming and Idaho?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:48:53pm

re: #479 Timothy Watson

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Everyone of those counties and cities had at least someone working in it to elect Clinton.

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WROTE OFF ENTIRE AREAS!!!1!

Really starting to rethink teetotalism…

Yellow Dog Democrats have been replaced by Yellow Piss Republicans who will vote for a Republican even as he pisses on you and tells you you’re making too much money.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:50:44pm

re: #479 Timothy Watson

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Everyone of those counties and cities had at least someone working in it to elect Clinton.

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WROTE OFF ENTIRE AREAS!!!1!

Really starting to rethink teetotalism…

By the way, I’m the light red diamond shaped county just Southeast of the blue speck of Fredericksburg, VA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:51:02pm

How many times do we have to tell them that we’re not coming for their guns too? Honestly, a lot of this goes back to education and we have one party that has never met a cut to public education that it hasn’t liked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:52:29pm

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

I was not even aware that insurance companies based in one state were not allowed to sell policies out of state, oh wait they do. It’s just that, if you live in Michigan, what is the point in having an insurance policy that only covers providers in Wyoming and Idaho?

That always makes me smh.
Our union insurance is based in Illinois. Lots of employer-provided group insurance is also across state lines.
Our union insurance has approved providers all over the country, including many right here convenient to the Backwoods.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:53:23pm

re: #462 Timothy Watson

Again, how do you get through to people who have spent 20+ years listening to Fox News and Limbaugh?

It’s too hard is not an excuse.

I’ve been over this before and got nowhere. Mr. Wright’s article explains the exact same things I have, but he is a much better writer than I am.

He also points out the same truism I have: All politics is local. That doesn’t mean everyone should run for office or donate time or money to candidates.

Excepting when I was in the hospital or something, I went to every city council meeting when I lived in Oklahoma. When I moved here, I went to every village board meeting, every library board meeting, even every cemetery board meeting. I never intended to run for the village board. I went to those meetings because I cared about what was going on in the towns in which I lived.

As it turns out, politicians tend to pay attention to the people who show up all the time. (If nothing else, they could be a threat to their seats.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:54:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:54:08pm

I see it’s time for Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

I guess until we can craft a message that will simultaneously tell minorities finally getting close to equality that we’re with them while telling nervous white folks that we’re NOT with Those People, we’re fucked.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:56:12pm

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wouldn’t want to enter that thing drunk though, I may eat my comforter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:56:39pm

I love Julie…

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:56:54pm

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

I was not even aware that insurance companies based in one state were not allowed to sell policies out of state, oh wait they do. It’s just that, if you live in Michigan, what is the point in having an insurance policy that only covers providers in Wyoming and Idaho?

Right there you’ve aready
gone beyond the thinking ability of the Fox/talk radio audience.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:57:24pm

re: #476 freetoken

I don’t blame Clinton.

Me neither. Hell no. Most of her baggage was added by her critics. It hurts to say this cause I’m guilty too and I hate to take friends to task.

The bottom line with Donald is we should have known better. Every time we assumed Bush would be the anointed one and run. Every time we said this must surely end soon. Every time we sat still for some fool saying “just words”. Makes me gag a little to agree with filmmaker Michael Moore. But he nailed it.

As a nation of indy voters, right leaners, Republicans and disaffected Dems, WE KNEW BETTER and effed it up anyway. Just enough of us in just the right (wrong) states. Fuck me, fuck us we are in a serious bad place now. Brownshirts burning places of worship, ICE going off the rails demanding papers from passengers exiting domestic flights. families shattered. A bubble growing in the stock market exactly like we have seen before.

By way of coping, we have had good Pages and comments on how to reassert our digital privacy. We have #Resist and #WhiteRose. Because of the religious arson, the beatings the shootings, I’ll post what the law says we can do as needed.

Criminal Law
justia.com
3470. Right to Self-Defense or Defense of Another (Non-Homicide)
The defendant is not guilty of if (he/she) used force against the other person in lawful (self-defense/ [or] defense of another). The defendant acted in lawful (self-defense/ [or] defense of another) if:

1. The defendant reasonably believed that (he/she/ [or] someone else/ [or] ) was in imminent danger of suffering bodily injury [or was in imminent danger of being touched unlawfully];

2. The defendant reasonably believed that the immediate use of force was necessary to defend against that danger;

AND

3. The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against that danger.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:57:45pm

re: #473 Belafon

I agree with that, and that was a failure of a lot of Democrats (none here). ALL Democrats need to show up to vote all the freakin’ time.

But that’s not the same thing as saying that we didn’t try to address the concerns of conservatives. As for calling them hicks, after seeing the farmersonly.com ads, I’m not going to get all bent out of shape trying to apologize for people that aren’t me. And the one thing I will not try to make them feel better on is this: I will not apologize for thinking minorities need to be treated as equals. I will explain as nicely as I can why they bigotry is hurting them, but I’m not going to give into the idea that more time needs to be given for them to come around.

I suspect FarmersOnly isn’t a whole lot different than Ashley Madison or OK Cupid (lots of fake accounts designed to separate rubes from their money).

And again, Mr. Wright doesn’t say we should compromise with bigots. He specifically says that and so do I. He says (as do I) we need to address fear. You know, like FDR did (as he put it, a crippled old man in a wheelchair).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:57:53pm

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t want to enter that thing drunk though, I may eat my comforter.

My dogs would be all over it chewing it up and being only mildly disappointed because the comforter explosion would be so much fun…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:58:09pm

re: #490 Blind Frog Belly White

I see it’s time for Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

I guess until we can craft a message that will simultaneously tell minorities finally getting close to equality that we’re with them while telling nervous white folks that we’re NOT with Those People, we’re fucked.

That’s the thing isn’t it? MAny of those nervous white folks hate that we’re with minorities as a party and ideology.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:59:01pm

re: #469 Anymouse

And as Mr. Wright notes, until liberals come up with an effective means of addressing those fears, we will continue to lose.

It’s too hard, or your variant of “they are dumb religious hicks,” isn’t going to win elections.

Your argument also implies that Hillary Clinton was a bad choice for a candidate. If the Democratic Party knew that (“the congregation would walk out atheists”) then how about a different candidate?

Sometimes the man or woman you want for an office is unelectable just because. Is it fair to Hillary Clinton that the GOP has been bashing her for thirty plus years? Certainly not. But politics is not a nice game and never has been in this country.

At some point, the responsibility has to be on the voters to inform themselves and take responsibility for our government of the people. This is a two-way street. Excusing their irrationality and ignorance doesn’t work and makes for bad policy. I don’t want Democrats to pander to that. There are enough decent, perhaps previously unactivated people out there who can be engaged in the political world. I find I have much better luck talking to the unaffiliated than trying to convert the Republican true believer. I think Democrats would be better served to focus on the 50% of non-voters in this country rather than waste time on the Limbaugh crowd.

Also, I don’t think my argument implies she was a bad candidate, I think it implies there was dishonest and unfair coverage of her from day 1, which was never her fault. Frankly, it was realizing the disparity with which she was treated that turned me from a Hillary skeptic in 2008 to a full on proud HillBot in 2016.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 1, 2017 • 5:59:50pm

Wildly OT: The first Ghost In The Shell domestic trailer dropped today:

Ghost In The Shell (2017) - Wake Up - Paramount Pictures

“They took my life, I’ll take my revenge.” #GhostInTheShell

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:00:28pm

Chris Cillizza is a buffoon. And you can quote me on that.

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Shazam  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:03:38pm

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who only respond to hatred of the other?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who live in another reality?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who are conditioned to hate anything Democratic and Liberal?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who regularly vote against their self-interests?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:03:47pm

re: #490 Blind Frog Belly White

I see it’s time for Return Of The Son Of This Shit Again.

I guess until we can craft a message that will simultaneously tell minorities finally getting close to equality that we’re with them while telling nervous white folks that we’re NOT with Those People, we’re fucked.

And we shouldn’t be condescending to stupid hicks, but we have to explain stuff to them like they’re children.

(And if anyone compares about me using the word “hick”, I’ll post some audio of me speaking so you can listen to my country ass drawl.)

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:04:36pm

re: #501 Shazam

This!!!!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:04:38pm

re: #498 InfidelOfFreedom

At some point, the responsibility has to be on the voters to inform themselves and take responsibility for our government of the people. This is a two-way street. Excusing their irrationality and ignorance doesn’t work and makes for bad policy. I don’t want Democrats to pander to that. There are enough decent, perhaps previously unactivated people out there who can be engaged in the political world. I find I have much better luck talking to the unaffiliated than trying to convert the Republican true believer. I think Democrats would be better served to focus on the 50% of non-voters in this country rather than waste time on the Limbaugh crowd.

Also, I don’t think my argument implies she was a bad candidate, I think it implies there was dishonest and unfair coverage of her from day 1, which was never her fault. Frankly, it was realizing the disparity with which she was treated that turned me from a Hillary skeptic in 2008 to a full on proud HillBot in 2016.

Well, relitigating the election certainly isn’t going to help. I was disenfranchised in 2008 (just got over being homeless and had not yet established residency in Oklahoma) so I could not vote. Mrs. Clinton was not the candidate in 2012. As the primaries this time wound up, I was a supporter of her candidacy (with time and money).

I agree focusing on the non-voters is useful. A few ten thousand of those in the right places and we’d be talking about Hillary Clinton’s first thirty days as President now, instead of my state governor’s billionaire relative becoming Deputy Commerce Secretary.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:05:01pm

re: #501 Shazam

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who only respond to hatred of the other?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who live in another reality?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who are conditioned to hate anything Democratic and Liberal?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who regularly vote against their self-interests?

Nailed it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:06:01pm

re: #500 Charles Johnson

Chris Cillizza is a buffoon. And you can quote me on that.

He couldn’t be more obvious trying to get a job/special perks with the WH.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:07:26pm

re: #501 Shazam

Democrats are not EVER going to glean real republican votes. The win is get the unhappy Dems and the Indy segment. FFS she got the majority by millions of votes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:07:39pm

re: #502 Timothy Watson

And we shouldn’t be condescending to stupid hicks, but we have to explain stuff to them like they’re children.

(And if anyone compares about me using the word “hick”, I’ll post some audio of me speaking so you can listen to my country ass drawl.)

I just hate the narrative that these people are helpless victims beyond belief. Yet they’re the same people who want us as a nation to turn our back to refugees, people on welfare, etc. As I’ve said before, they want us to empathize with them and understand them but there’s never that desire with tehm and it’s reflected in the kind of people they send to Congress. Steve King represents some of the most tornado hit areas of hte country. You’d think that he’d empathize when the Eastern seaboard is hit with hurricanes the same way many of those elected officials empathize when the Midwest is hit by tornados but nope.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:08:24pm

re: #501 Shazam

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who only respond to hatred of the other?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who live in another reality?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who are conditioned to hate anything Democratic and Liberal?

How the fuck does a Democratic candidate appeal to voters who regularly vote against their self-interests?

I seem to be having trouble communicating again (and apparently Mr. Wright is too).

a) We don’t.
b) For those who will listen, by appealing; for those who won’t, we don’t.
c) “It’s too hard is not an excuse.” All politics is local, and people can be reasoned with.
d) There will always be such voters. You appeal to the ones who can be reasoned with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:08:49pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:11:03pm

re: #508 HappyWarrior

I hit a southern conservative like this. Feel free to expose your racist and Islamophobic opinions as you please. Making any of that policy is a crime. Acting on those impulses to anyone in my presence may result in a fight with me. Arson and assault will be halted when possible.

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:11:18pm

Wanted to watch this Russia special airing on MSNBC right now then Tweety started talking and Andrea Mitchell is up next.

I’ll pass. Was hoping for an expert panel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:11:23pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:11:47pm

re: #509 Anymouse

I seem to be having trouble communicating again (and apparently Mr. Wright is too).

a) We don’t.
b) For those that will listen, by appealing; for those that won’t, we don’t.
c) “It’s too hard is not an excuse.” All politics is local, and people can be reasoned with.
d) There will always be such voters. You appeal to the ones who can be reasoned with.

You are aware that Clinton outperformed a lot of Congressional candidates, yes?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:11:54pm

Very Dukes of Hazzard

Police in Louisiana say suspect apprehended after wild chase ends with truck flying into restaurant parking lot

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:12:41pm

These are the same people who want to be able to deny flowers and wedding cakes to a gay couple but yet think a coffee cup wishing them a Happy Holidays is an afront to them. Honestly, I want a party and ideology that reflects America as a whole and we have that as a party right now, we have a party chair whose father was a Dominican immigrant, a vice chair who is an African-American Muslim, and our candidate last year was a Methodist woman and Catholic man. I mean I’m sorry but communication is a two way street and there were many aeras that the Clinton campaign did in fact go where few Dems had been recently. They were in Georgia and Arizona. CAme up short there unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:13:13pm

re: #511 Unshaken Defiance

I hit a southern conservative like this. Feel free to expose your racist and Islamophobic opinions as you please. Making any of that policy is a crime. Acting on those impulses to anyone in my presence may result in a fight with me. Arson and assault will be halted when possible.

You got it dude.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:13:16pm

re: #504 Anymouse

Well, relitigating the election certainly isn’t going to help. I was disenfranchised in 2008 (just got over being homeless and had not yet established residency in Oklahoma) so I could not vote. Mrs. Clinton was not the candidate in 2012. As the primaries this time wound up, I was a supporter of her candidacy (with time and money).

I agree focusing on the non-voters is useful. A few ten thousand of those in the right places and we’d be talking about Hillary Clinton’s first thirty days as President now, instead of my state governor’s billionaire relative becoming Deputy Commerce Secretary.

You bring up a good point about disenfranchisement, something I’m glad to hear Democrats address more lately. I hope to see more work done to return the vote to ex-felons and allowing homeless people to register an address (for purposes beyond voting) and expand the voter pool as well. Remember that Republicans lose when democracy prevails.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:13:33pm

re: #514 Timothy Watson

You are aware that Clinton outperformed a lot of Congressional candidates, yes?

Senate candidates as well.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:13:54pm

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

This stuff should have been exposed during the election. Who the heck hid all of this stuff from the public? I know that Trump person and his “associates” hid this information.

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Shazam  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:14:30pm

re: #509 Anymouse

There was exactly one problem with the 2016 election. One. No more, no less. One thing decided it.

Turnout.

Because of ratfuckery and decades of shitpiling on Hillary from all sides of the spectrum, people stayed home. People who really, really did not want Trump and would have preferred Clinton either stayed home or voted third party to make a point (“Hey, she was 98% likely to win anyway and I have shit to do/a point to make,” etc.).

People underestimated the size of Trump’s base, but the majority of the country was NeverTrump in some form. The country let Clinton and themselves down. Full stop. Conservatives will never vote for a Democrat and we don’t need them. We just need liberals and neutrals who live in reality to show up. They didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:14:34pm

re: #518 InfidelOfFreedom

You bring up a good point about disenfrancisement, something I’m glad to hear Democrats address more lately. I hope to see more work done to return the vote to ex-felons and allowing homeless people to register an address (for purposes beyond voting) and expand the voter pool as well. Remember that Republicans lose when democracy prevails.

McAuliffe here in VA has worked on the former point. I think he’s also worked on the homeless vet issue too. Have to admit, I didn’t like Terry Mac when eh ran but he’s impressed me.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:14:39pm

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:14:58pm

re: #478 Floral Giraffe

Hi Flo!

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:15:55pm

re: #499 Eric The Fruit Bat

Wildly OT: The first Ghost In The Shell domestic trailer dropped today:

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Video

“They took my life, I’ll take my revenge.” #GhostInTheShell

When the idea of the movie came out, we all wondered about having Scarlett Johansson playing the Major. According to my son, the creator of Ghost in the Shell wanted the lead to be played by a western woman. I still would have preferred Emily Blunt.

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:15:56pm

re: #518 InfidelOfFreedom

U.S. territories too!

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:16:14pm

re: #514 Timothy Watson

You are aware that Clinton outperformed a lot of Congressional candidates, yes?

As both Mr. Wright and I noted, this is not a direct democracy. Like it or not, square miles matter.

We can howl until the sun goes nova that Hillary Clinton won three million more votes, and it doesn’t change the fact that Donald Trump won the election.

You go with the election system you have, not the one you wish you had. For the foreseeable future, we have the Electoral College. It may be unfair that a vote in Wyoming is “worth” so much more than a vote in California, but that’s the way the system works.

We can yell all we want about how much the system is unfair and such, but it doesn’t change the system.

Hopefully enough Dems and non-partisan voters who didn’t vote this time round will turn out for every future election, but I ain’t betting on it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:16:56pm

re: #497 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing isn’t it? MAny of those nervous white folks hate that we’re with minorities as a party and ideology.

There are a lot of white people who don’t see themselves as racists who think that too much attention has been paid to minority issues.

I’m not sure how to appeal to them without telling the minorities who make up the backbone of the Democratic Party to cool it for a few more years while we take care of the White Working Class’s concerns.

This is why Bernie, with his ‘It’s all economics!’ approach didn’t get much traction with minorities. Yes, what he talked about is a problem, but for them, it’s been a problem all their lives, and all those things that helped the WWC helped them less.

I see a whole lot of ‘The Dems need a message that appeals to both!’ and not a whole lot of ‘Here’s that message!’

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:17:01pm

re: #478 Floral Giraffe

Just, because it needs repeating!

Oh My Gosh great to see you here!

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:17:41pm

re: #527 Anymouse

Uh, okay, I have no idea what your post has to do with anything I said.

You rant about about a 435-district strategy and when those candidates do worse than the ticket leader, what’s your next proposal?

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:17:47pm

Just a reminder. MSNBC is doing their thing on Trump and the Russian connections. Pretty informative so far for as close as I am listening. It’s a 2 hour show that started at 9. All on this theme. Rachel is off tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:17:58pm

Some Fiona updates:

And something for Floral:

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:18:54pm

re: #527 Anymouse

And let’s waste millions of dollars organizing in Wyoming instead of a state which might actually go for Clinton.

Because Democrats have plenty of money…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:18:56pm

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

There are a lot of white people who don’t see themselves as racists who think that too much attention has been paid to minority issues.

I’m not sure how to appeal to them without telling the minorities who make up the backbone of the Democratic Party to cool it for a few more years while we take care of the White Working Class’s concerns.

This is why Bernie, with his ‘It’s all economics!’ approach didn’t get much traction with minorities. Yes, what he talked about is a problem, but for them, it’s been a problem all their lives, and all those things that helped the WWC helped them less.

I see a whole lot of ‘The Dems need a message that appeals to both!’ and not a whole lot of ‘Here’s that message!’

Exactly. Those voters are a key part of our base and despite what is said, many of them are far from “elite.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:19:14pm

re: #512 JordanRules

Wanted to watch this Russia special airing on MSNBC right now then Tweety started talking and Andrea Mitchell is up next.

I’ll pass. Was hoping for an expert panel.

I’m thinking past the MSNBC panel and going for the info. I’ll take what I can find on this topic right now.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:19:55pm

<re: #522 HappyWarrior

Since my mom lives in Virginia and stays pretty politically involved, I’ve tried to keep up with his term and have been impressed too. He’s a good example of smart, capable leadership. It’s really too bad he can only serve one term.

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:20:54pm

re: #524 Stanley Sea

Hi back! And waves to all!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:21:14pm

re: #533 Timothy Watson

And let’s waste millions of dollars organizing in Wyoming instead of a state which might actually go for Clinton.

Because Democrats have plenty of money…

Democrats don’t even bother to spend money in Kentucky, which has 8 electoral votes and actually went for Bill Clinton back in the day.
They don’t spend money for ANY Democratic offices, not even local ones.

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JordanRules  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:21:17pm

re: #535 ObserverArt

No doubt. I was just hoping for more, but it is 2 hours. Let us know if panel adds some folks like Malcolm Nance and I’ll circle back.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:21:25pm

re: #536 InfidelOfFreedom

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Since my mom lives in Virginia and stays pretty politically involved, I’ve tried to keep up with his term and have been impressed too. He’s a good example of smart, capable leadership. It’s really too bad he can only serve one term.

I hate our term limit law. It’s so stupid. But yeah Terry’s been pretty good. Kaine is still my favorite VA Democrat buc I appreciate Terry for being wiling to take risks on issues i.e. the felons regaining their right to vote.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:21:29pm
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Floral Giraffe  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:22:11pm

re: #529 Unshaken Defiance

We are where there is decent internet! Unless I just cursed it….miss you guys!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:22:35pm

re: #541 FormerDirtDart

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:23:06pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

There’s an old name I haven’t seen in many moons. Yo!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:23:15pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

We are where there is decent internet! Unless I just cursed it….miss you guys!

Are you still sailing? (Jealous as hell)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:23:17pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

We are where there is decent internet! Unless I just cursed it….miss you guys!

You still living the boat life?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:23:36pm

re: #519 HappyWarrior

Senate candidates as well.

Lots of people voted for her but wanted to keep Government divided as some sort of limit on her cautious centrism.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:23:47pm

The felon thing though when you think about it, when you consider this state actually at one point executed people at a higher rate than Texas or that George Allen was one of the first governors to do the abolishment of parole in teh early 90’s. Pretty revolutionary stuff. Penal reform ahs become my father’s pet issue.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:24:12pm

re: #547 Blind Frog Belly White

Lots of people voted for her but wanted to keep Government divided as some sort of limit on her cautious centrism.

Yep.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:26:52pm

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:26:57pm

re: #544 teleskiguy

There’s an old name I haven’t seen in many moons. Yo!

Yo back! Who you callin’ old???

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:27:22pm

re: #530 Timothy Watson

Uh, okay, I have no idea what your post has to do with anything I said.

You rant about about a 435-district strategy and when those candidates do worse than the ticket leader, what’s your next proposal?

Well, I’m not a national party leader. Give me my marching orders and I’ll go out and do what I can for the party.

I’ve mentioned this here before - Trump’s team had at least surrogates to hold a rally in Scottsbluff here (a town of 14,000 people). He had surrogates speaking for him all over this state, and pretty much all over every state. Mrs. Clinton went to Omaha once (four hundred miles away).

That pattern was repeated across the country.

In more local elections, my current state governor held rallies or talks in all ninety-three counties in the state. He went to every one. He fought for every single vote. Chuck Hasselbrook (D) stuck to a few cities in the state.

Would Mr. Hasselbrook have won if he went everywhere? I don’t know, probably not. But the GOP doesn’t even need to pass out a message of “liberals don’t care about you,” the voters could see it in our 2014 election.

This time round for the US House it looks like we’ll at least have an opposition candidate to Adrian Smith. Will she win? Maybe not. But at least this time for the first time since I moved here there will be a (D) candidate running for the US House.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:27:38pm

re: #515 FormerDirtDart

Very Dukes of Hazzard

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:27:42pm

re: #534 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Those voters are a key part of our base and despite what is said, many of them are far from “elite.”

It always amazes me that wingnuts refer to the Dems as ‘elites’, then assume none of us have jobs.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:27:49pm

re: #538 Backwoods_Sleuth

Democrats don’t even bother to spend money in Kentucky, which has 8 electoral votes and actually went for Bill Clinton back in the day.
They don’t spend money for ANY Democratic offices, not even local ones.

How much money does the DNC give to any state or local party usually?

At some point the local and state parties need to get off their asses and do stuff.

Which is becoming a pet peeve for me given how completely useless my local committee is. They wanted me to setup an ActBlue account for them so they could fundraise electronically. I was talking to someone who had used ActBlue previously on a campaign and he said I needed the committee’s federal Employee Identification Number (EIN) issued by the IRS. Sent an e-mail to the committee chairman almost two weeks ago requesting the information, which he forwarded to the treasurer.

Still waiting…

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:27:53pm

Did it just slip his fucking mind? Did he come down with the same amnesia that affects everyone in Trump’s circle - that they ignore reality, facts, or logic?

And the GOP continue enabling this corrupt administration at every opportunity because their own craven goals are this close to getting done.

But the growing pile of evidence is that everyone in the Trump admin from Trump on down is compromised. Every last one. There’s a shorter list of people who didn’t have ties to Russia than those who do.

And the GOP didn’t care - and still don’t care.

They think everything’s going to plan. Russia and Putin are laughing their asses off at how we’ve shot ourselves in the foot. He can’t believe his good fortune. And GOPers think that any of this will make America great, let alone great again?

US national security is compromised. US foreign policy is compromised. Our allies are wondering WTF are we doing. Pence and Mattis go on apology tours to try and calm frayed nerves and Trump says stuff that contradicts them almost immediately.

It’s a total shit show, but that’s exactly what Trump supporters wanted. This is what they asked for - a complete nut job running things right into the ground.

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:28:19pm

re: #545 Stanley Sea

re: #546 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still sailing! We’re in Puerto Rico at the moment. Loving it! Miss/don’t miss the news.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:29:47pm

re: #557 Floral Giraffe

Still sailing! We’re in Puerto Rico at the moment. Loving it! Miss/don’t miss the news.

YAY YOU!
I am soooo the jealous…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:30:13pm

re: #554 Blind Frog Belly White

It always amazes me that wingnuts refer to the Dems as ‘elites’, then assume none of us have jobs.

Yeah that amuses the fuck of me. We’re wearing our top hats one minute sipping on gin with our moncoles one minute and the next we’re the only people in the country on public assistance.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:31:31pm

re: #552 Anymouse

And what, exactly, do you expect out of sacrificial lambs? Do you have a year of free time to spend driving hundreds of miles every night to different events? Do you have a year of time to spend little to no time with your family? Do you have time to let your business or work career get sidetracked?

All so you can get maybe 35% of the vote?

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:33:18pm

re: #550 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:33:31pm

re: #555 Timothy Watson

I have no idea how much is typical.
It’s just they write off Kentucky every time. There are more Democrats here in Kentucky but they can’t even get a decent candidate to run. This last election, almost all state House and Senate seats Republicans ran unopposed.
In the election for my congresscritter, there was a Dem running, but he had $0 in his campaign fund and, quite truthfully, he was hopelessly unqualified (not that the incumbent was actually qualified either except that he’s a Rand Paul guy).

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:34:37pm

re: #539 JordanRules

No doubt. I was just hoping for more, but it is 2 hours. Let us know if panel adds some folks like Malcolm Nance and I’ll circle back.

Pretty much sticking with the newspaper reporters so far, from both WaPo and NY Times. I get the feeling their is much covering of the actual intelligence community and others they are getting their facts from.

Going to Moscow for Richard Engle in a moment and someone unnamed so far that is quoted in the newspaper articles (Times?).

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:34:47pm

re: #557 Floral Giraffe

Still sailing! We’re in Puerto Rico at the moment. Loving it! Miss/don’t miss the news.

WOW. Very happy for you!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:36:37pm

re: #525 Belafon

According to my son, the creator of Ghost in the Shell wanted the lead to be played by a western woman. I still would have preferred Emily Blunt.

IMHO, this will be a make-or-break chance at making live-action anime movies. If it works, there’s a whole vein at the ready for Hollywood to mine rather than constantly retreading remakes and the Marvel/DC franchieses. If it tanks, sayonara.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:38:28pm

re: #560 Timothy Watson

And what, exactly, do you expect out of sacrificial lambs? Do you have a year of free time to spend driving hundreds of miles every night to different events? Do you have a year of time to spend little to no time with your family? Do you have time to let your business or work career get sidetracked?

All so you can get maybe 35% of the vote?

You know though, it’s not as if Republican candidates heavily contest Democratic seats they have little shot at. And honestly, the reason why the Dems go to the cities is because that’s where their votes are. We’re an urban party. Our base is urban.

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Anymouse  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:39:58pm

re: #560 Timothy Watson

And what, exactly, do you expect out of sacrificial lambs? Do you have a year of free time to spend driving hundreds of miles every night to different events? Do you have a year of time to spend little to no time with your family? Do you have time to let your business or work career get sidetracked?

All so you can get maybe 35% of the vote?

Back to “square miles matter.” Those states get electoral votes whether the Dems want to fight for them or not.

“It’s too hard” is not an excuse.

I don’t know the answer here. I really don’t.

I offered up Mr. Wright’s blog as an explanation of the problem, as he is a much better communicator of ideas than I am.

Places like NE or WY aren’t just a solid wall of Republican voters with no Democrats. However, if the Democrats are discouraged for a perceived or real lack of support, they will give up.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:41:48pm

re: #567 Anymouse

Back to “square miles matter.” Those states get electoral votes whether the Dems want to fight for them or not.

“It’s too hard” is not an excuse.

I don’t know the answer here. I really don’t.

I offered up Mr. Wright’s blog as an explanation of the problem, as he is a much better communicator of ideas than I am.

Places like NE or WY aren’t just a solid wall of Republican voters with no Democrats. However, if the Democrats are discouraged for a perceived or real lack of support, they will give up.

So you’re volunteering to be the next Democratic nominee in your district?

Don’t tell me “it’s too hard”.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:42:05pm

re: #521 Shazam

There was exactly one problem with the 2016 election. One. No more, no less. One thing decided it.

Turnout.

Because of ratfuckery and decades of shitpiling on Hillary from all sides of the spectrum, people stayed home. People who really, really did not want Trump and would have preferred Clinton either stayed home or voted third party to make a point (“Hey, she was 98% likely to win anyway and I have shit to do/a point to make,” etc.).

People underestimated the size of Trump’s base, but the majority of the country was NeverTrump in some form. The country let Clinton and themselves down. Full stop. Conservatives will never vote for a Democrat and we don’t need them. We just need liberals and neutrals who live in reality to show up. They didn’t.

I would add into the turnout problem people who wanted to but were unable to vote because of voter ID, shortened voting times, fewer polling places in
Dem strongholds etc. ratfuckery.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:42:11pm

re: #567 Anymouse

Back to “square miles matter.” Those states get electoral votes whether the Dems want to fight for them or not.

“It’s too hard” is not an excuse.

I don’t know the answer here. I really don’t.

I offered up Mr. Wright’s blog as an explanation of the problem, as he is a much better communicator of ideas than I am.

Places like NE or WY aren’t just a solid wall of Republican voters with no Democrats. However, if the Democrats are discouraged for a perceived or real lack of support, they will give up.

He’s talking about local and state candidates there. He’s asking you how much can you realistically expect someone to devote their time to campaigning in races like that? I’ve worked for local candidates before. Many of them have a major life outside their campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:42:36pm

re: #569 BeachDem

I would add into the turnout problem people who wanted to but were unable to vote because of voter ID, shortened voting times, fewer polling places in
Dem strongholds etc. ratfuckery.

Yep shenanigans.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:47:25pm

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

There are a lot of white people who don’t see themselves as racists who think that too much attention has been paid to minority issues.

I’m not sure how to appeal to them without telling the minorities who make up the backbone of the Democratic Party to cool it for a few more years while we take care of the White Working Class’s concerns.

This is why Bernie, with his ‘It’s all economics!’ approach didn’t get much traction with minorities. Yes, what he talked about is a problem, but for them, it’s been a problem all their lives, and all those things that helped the WWC helped them less.

I see a whole lot of ‘The Dems need a message that appeals to both!’ and not a whole lot of ‘Here’s that message!’

And then you have situations like the little Illinois town that voted 70% for the yam, and are now up in arms because their undocumented friend and townsperson is being deported. But does it make them open their eyes and see that maybe they’ve been looking at things the wrong way? Of course not. They say shit like, “I knew he was Mexican, but he’s been here so long, he’s just one of us,” said Debra Johnson, a resident. She said she saw a distinction between “people who come over and use the system and people who actually come and help.”

nytimes.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:51:30pm

re: #572 BeachDem

And then you have situations like the little Illinois town that voted 70% for the yam, and are now up in arms because their undocumented friend and townsperson is being deported. But does it make them open their eyes and see that maybe they’ve been looking at things the wrong way? Of course not. They say shit like, “I knew he was Mexican, but he’s been here so long, he’s just one of us,” said Debra Johnson, a resident. She said she saw a distinction between “people who come over and use the system and people who actually come and help.”

nytimes.com

But, you know - don’t call them stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:53:18pm

re: #572 BeachDem

And then you have situations like the little Illinois town that voted 70% for the yam, and are now up in arms because their undocumented friend and townsperson is being deported. But does it make them open their eyes and see that maybe they’ve been looking at things the wrong way? Of course not. They say shit like, “I knew he was Mexican, but he’s been here so long, he’s just one of us,” said Debra Johnson, a resident. She said she saw a distinction between “people who come over and use the system and people who actually come and help.”

nytimes.com

Their attitude is typical of many conservative voters. It’s nice that they were decent to this man but at the same time, this lady again thinks everyone else is gaming the system. I mentioned it earlier but my own SiL is someone who got a masters from a very prestigious university.

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majii  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:58:25pm

re: #467 HappyWarrior

“Or- “Allowing Muslims to build places of worship isn’t a threat to your right to worship freely.”“

There is a mosque within walking distance of my house here in Middle GA. Nothing has happened. No terrorist activity of any kind has occurred, and no bombings have been carried out by any member of the congregation there. When I drive by the mosque, it’s just like any other building on that street. There are also five Christian churches on the same street, and none of the members of the Christian churches have complained about their right to worship being affected by the presence of a mosque being so close to their churches. There are lies, and then, there are d*mn lies.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 6:59:29pm

re: #575 majii

“Or- “Allowing Muslims to build places of worship isn’t a threat to your right to worship freely.”“

There is a mosque within walking distance of my house here in Middle GA. Nothing has happened. No terrorist activity of any kind has occurred, and no bombings have been carried out by any member of the congregation there. When I drive by the mosque, it’s just like any other building on that street. There are also five Christian churches on the same street, and none of the members of the Christian churches have complained about their right to worship being affected by the presence of a mosque being so close to their churches. There are lies, and then, there are d*mn lies.

IT’s good that they’re getting along.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 1, 2017 • 7:03:36pm

re: #576 HappyWarrior

IT’s good that they’re getting along.

It’s not the towns WITH a mosque that are the problem, generally.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2017 • 7:05:56pm

re: #577 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not the towns WITH a mosque that are the problem, generally.

Yeah, that’s the thing. Most people paranoid about Muslims have barely any Muslims near them. Remember the Oklahoma shariah paranoia? MOst Oklahoma Muslims were probably at OU.

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majii  Mar 1, 2017 • 7:09:40pm

re: #498 InfidelOfFreedom

“At some point, the responsibility has to be on the voters to inform themselves and take responsibility for our government of the people. This is a two-way street. Excusing their irrationality and ignorance doesn’t work and makes for bad policy.”

I agree 100% with you on this. Many who have health insurance because of the PPACA and voted for Trump are only now realizing they voted in favor of losing their coverage. It’s too late for regrets. Instead of listening to the bleating of dishonest pols, executive shills for the healthcare companies, rich wh*res who’ll never have to worry about paying for their healthcare coverage, and lying newsreaders, radio entertainers, and blog owners, they should have been researching the PPACA. That they didn’t and bought into the lies, propaganda, and conspiracy theories about the PPACA and are now likely to lose their healthcare coverage is the major reason I have zero sympathy for them. They did not do their own homework, and it’s going to cost them dearly.

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majii  Mar 1, 2017 • 7:18:44pm

re: #500 Charles Johnson

“Chris Cillizza is a buffoon. And you can quote me on that.”

It appears to me that he thinks words matter more than actions. Trump’s delivery last night didn’t affect me one iota because his actions don’t match his words. Don’t talk in conciliatory tones to me while you’re shoving a shiv into the middle of my back. It’s very likely that Cillizza knows that whatever Trump and GOPers do while he’s in the WH won’t affect him, and he doesn’t give a d*mn what happens to other Americans. On the other hand, being a POC, I see Trump and GOPers as an existential threat to my existence and the existence of millions of others whom they’ve openly identified as members on their enemies list.


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