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MsJ  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:46:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:46:59pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:50:13pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:54:02pm

re: #1 MsJ

Republicans don’t care about this. What they do care about is that the filthy rich of America will be able to keep more of their usually ill-gotten gains if funding for the ACA is gutted.

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(alpuz)  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:56:13pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:56:32pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:57:02pm

Maybe we’ll automate ourselves out of R voters soon.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2017 • 6:59:56pm

For some time now, and I’m definitely being a broken record here, I maintain that the refusal to confront reality is based in religion.

Namely, the same problem creationists have when confronted with data about the earth and long-dead creatures.

My interaction with Trumpers on Facebook all fall into this creationist-reality-aversion paradigm.

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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:01:04pm
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MsJ  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:04:03pm
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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:05:00pm

re: #10 MsJ

I agree!!!

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:06:36pm

re: #8 freetoken

For some time now, and I’m definitely being a broken record here, I maintain that the refusal to confront reality is based in religion.

Namely, the same problem creationists have when confronted with data about the earth and long-dead creatures.

My interaction with Trumpers on Facebook all fall into this creationist-reality-aversion paradigm.

My brother would agree. He is wondering if most religions discourage people from valuing scientific evidence. I agree to some extent, but wonder if people rejecting objective reality in favor of their religious beliefs would accept the evidence even without the religious belief.

This obviously does not apply to people whose religion and ability to recognize scientific evidence coexist comfortably.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:08:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:09:00pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:10:03pm

re: #7 jaunte

IMO a living income for everyone has to happen, preferably as soon as possible. We can’t go on much longer with a system where such a large fraction of the population can’t find jobs and are therefore deemed to be ‘useless mouths’.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:11:46pm

Meanwhile we’re going to destroy our last 20 years of weather-prediction capability.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:12:48pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:13:05pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:16:06pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:16:45pm

re: #18 jaunte

Free market chart-makers will provide the charts. Herpity derpity do!!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:17:54pm

re: #17 jaunte

Well, China and India are probably able to step up to the plate. I mean, China already plans to collect samples from the Moon and an asteroid, and bring them back to Earth. India’s contemplating a mission to Mars. They’ve both got satellites in orbit already.

Make America Great Again by allowing everyone else to pull ahead of us.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:19:53pm

re: #21 wheat-dogg

I am so beyond disgusted with those pig-people!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:20:09pm

re: #18 jaunte

@altNOAA
Did you know the NOAA performs the coastal surveys to maintain nautical charts? Without it, vessels would run aground. Coastlines change

Well, it’s a damn good thing that budget cuts will likely cut US Coast Guard ship numbers and sailing time.
It’s gonna be way to hazardous for them to be sailing out there…
//

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:20:47pm

re: #21 wheat-dogg

I’m still amazed that the way to MAGA was to elect the stupidest man ever born with a gold spoon in his mouth president.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:22:14pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maddow Blog ✔ @MaddowBlog
Breaking: Sessions will amend his Senate testimony, answer questions
9:30 PM - 3 Mar 2017
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By phone, I think she said. Doesn’t want cameras and public coverage apparently.

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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:23:32pm

More Huckabee jokes

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:24:54pm

re: #12 calochortus

My brother would agree. He is wondering if most religions discourage people from valuing scientific evidence. I agree to some extent, but wonder if people rejecting objective reality in favor of their religious beliefs would accept the evidence even without the religious belief.

This obviously does not apply to people whose religion and ability to recognize scientific evidence coexist comfortably.

Religion is learned behaviour.

(Unlike being gay.)

It is one reason why religions target children (who are essentially hardwired by evolution to accept what an authority figure says without question).

Religious people also often confuse “what they believe” with “who they are.” They view an attack on their religious opinions as an attack on themselves.

So (using a Christian creationist as an example), the more evidence one presents for evolution by natural selection, the more they must deny it, because the person views the attack on his religious position as an attack on himself. It becomes a matter of self-defence. It really does become a fight-or-flight response - the religious person who cannot defend his position goes on to either flee the discussion, or make actual personal (or physical) attacks on the person presenting a scientific position.

It is not science denial per se (very few religious people eschew a physician in favour of prayer for a broken leg), just denial of the parts of science that either do not apply to their beliefs or do not contradict them.

YouTube atheist DarkMatter2525 made an animation about this, called “The Real God: An Epiphany.” (You could substitute just about any religious faith with a creation myth: Islam, Hinduism, Wicca, &c.)

The video is very good. (6:59)

The Real God: An Epiphany

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:25:12pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

More Huckabee jokes

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What a (half) wit.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:27:49pm

How many vandals do you need to destroy a functioning bureaucracy?

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:29:11pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

Mood right now.

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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:30:20pm

Close the fridge, what were raised in a barn/

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TedStriker  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:31:12pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

By phone, I think she said. Doesn’t want cameras and public coverage apparently.

As Sgt. Hulka (Warren Oates) said to John Winger (Bill Murray) in Stripes, Sessions is nothing but a gutless punk.

Too bad Oates isn’t still around to punch Sessions in the gut…

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:31:38pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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I think the kitteh represents how many of us feel these days.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:31:59pm

re: #22 retired cynic

I am so beyond disgusted with those pig-people!

re: #24 Skip Intro

I’m still amazed that the way to MAGA was to elect the stupidest man ever born with a gold spoon in his mouth president.

They live in a fantasy world where the USA is the only country that counts, and where there are no other nations capable of supplanting us as #1. Cutting all these non-military budgets is inviting those competitors (including Russia) to pick up the slack. So, yeah, in a few years, China will have a manned Moon base and India and China will have crews on their way to Mars, while the USA debates whether fossils are the Devil’s handiwork.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:36:13pm

re: #29 jaunte

Trump himself might be incompetent, but he has a cadre who also aren’t filling those positions.

I suspect, in addition to the stupid component, there’s an aspect of this that has to do with (1) keeping people out of deliberations and decision-making because more than one of them has an agenda, (2) not expanding the pool of people advising the president, (3) keeping information in a small numbers of hands because they don’t want plans to leak.

(2) should be given especially weight, since 45 seems to echo whoever he talks to and whatever he picks up from sources he likes, and repeat what gets him praise. I find myself wondering how much he’s being managed, and by whom.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:36:46pm

re: #27 Anymouse

I think some people are naturally more religious or spiritual than others. Mr. C. was raised Methodist and drifted away. I was raised atheist by parents who had drifted away from their religious roots. I’ve known people who were raised without much religion and found a faith later.

I don’t think that faith necessarily means you deny objective reality. We have plenty of Lizards here who manage well with both, which helps inform my opinion that religion doesn’t necessarily make people reject, shall we say, secular truth.
So what you say is very much true for some people, but not all.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:38:06pm

re: #36 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

(2) not expanding the pool of people advising the president,

It doesn’t seem sustainable over months for the kind of complexity they (should be) dealing with.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:38:29pm

I’d like to see this docu translated into English.

Bana for me is the representative of all the Syrians victimized by that war and by the people abetting it.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:38:51pm

Not that the palace cabal gives a shit about the rest of the world.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:39:14pm

re: #36 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Trump himself might be incompetent, but he has a cadre who also aren’t filling those positions.

I suspect, in addition to the stupid component, there’s an aspect of this that has to do with (1) keeping people out of deliberations and decision-making because more than one of them has an agenda, (2) not expanding the pool of people advising the president, (3) keeping information in a small numbers of hands because they don’t want plans to leak.

(2) should be given especially weight, since 45 seems to echo whoever he talks to and whatever he picks up from sources he likes, and repeat what gets him praise. I find myself wondering how much he’s being managed, and by whom.

IOW an oligarchy, much as China and Russia have now.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:39:54pm

re: #41 wheat-dogg

But tinier and crazier, like North Korea.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:40:54pm

re: #41 wheat-dogg

That’s the plan.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:42:27pm

re: #40 jaunte

Not that the palace cabal gives a shit about the rest of the world.

They don’t, but they also do not see how our country is dependent on the rest of the world. Their economic nationalism falls apart when technology companies need raw materials that cannot be found in the US, such as Yttrium, or when farmers need more customers than are in the US.

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:43:42pm

Hey, we never heard about a presidential physical, did we?

How much you want to bet that he never took one?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:43:44pm

Step into the CouldaBeen Machine and experience the Sam Peckinpah/Ray Harryhausen collaboration, The Wild Bunch From 30,000 Fathoms!

Separated at birth? You decide.
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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:43:47pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:43:57pm

re: #43 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

That’s the plan.

re: #42 jaunte

But tinier and crazier, like North Korea.

Well, Trump already has his kids plugged into the executive branch, like he’s planning some kind of dynasty.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:44:34pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:45:30pm

re: #48 wheat-dogg

It’s wreckers and looters all the way down.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:45:43pm

re: #38 jaunte

It’s manageable because Trump isn’t demented or incompetent, he’s a willing participant.

You can manipulate a narcissist by praising them constantly, while coaxing them into believing all the ideas are their own. The narcissist will go along, even more willingly than other kinds of people.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:48:38pm
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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:48:49pm

re: #50 jaunte

It’s wreckers and looters all the way down.

I read that as ‘wreckers and hooters,’ which I guess might also apply. Who knows what’s going on in the White House with the missus off premises.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:51:31pm

re: #51 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Yes, Trump’s the easier part; the outside world isn’t holding off getting more complicated by the day, though.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:51:51pm

re: #53 makeitstop

I read that as ‘wreckers and hooters,’ which I guess might also apply. Who knows what’s going on in the White House with the missus off premises.

According to one of the rogue accounts, Trump has a “girl” come in for one-on-one briefings.

Given Priebus and Bannon’s touchy-feely bromance, I wonder what kind of adult entertainment they’d prefer.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:52:57pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

So, a question: Where are these detention centers?

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:53:55pm

re: #56 Belafon

Private prisons.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:54:28pm
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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:55:18pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

Good! ICE and BP need to be slapped down!

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:56:35pm

re: #37 calochortus

I think some people are naturally more religious or spiritual than others. Mr. C. was raised Methodist and drifted away. I was raised atheist by parents who had drifted away from their religious roots. I’ve known people who were raised without much religion and found a faith later.

I don’t think that faith necessarily means you deny objective reality. We have plenty of Lizards here who manage well with both, which helps inform my opinion that religion doesn’t necessarily make people reject, shall we say, secular truth.
So what you say is very much true for some people, but not all.

Well, getting into a discussion of religion vs. observable facts won’t shake a religious person from their position (as I noted above). For example, no amount of Saturday morning door knocking by atheists will change the mind of a single religious person. (In point of that, a group of atheists posted a video some years ago, preaching facts over faith. Of course you can edit such things to show the worst, but what they showed in their video was everything from rudeness to physical threats toward them.)

Like the Saturday Chores folks protesting forced-birthers above. Those folks came to their conclusions about abortion through their religious beliefs. It doesn’t matter to them what biology says: They truly believe it, because their religion tells them to believe it.

Had they not been introduced to the religious idea that “abortion is murder,” would all of them come to that position on their own? Or would they listen to the science surrounding reproduction?

If there weren’t religious people comparing atheists to paedophiles and terrorists, would the followers of those faiths come to that conclusion on their own? Doubtful.

There is a Florida pastor who proposed creating a National Registry of Atheists, ideally with photographs of said atheists and such, with the idea that Christians could choose to boycott their businesses or proselytise to them. Wanna bet that list would also be used by radical Christian terrorists to target them?

Everyone is born an atheist. Religion is learned behaviour, which is why religions come after people so young. It is also why religion is largely a function of geography, whilst science is the same everywhere.

There are plenty of upstanding and righteous Christians in the USA. They are not good people because their religion made them that way. They are good people because of their natural inclination to be good. They would likely also be good people if they were Muslims, Hindus, or (shudder) atheists.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:57:53pm

re: #54 jaunte

I’m not sure they’re sharp enough to get that.

A common theme among the cadre is that they all dwell in little pocket universes: some because they’re the product of privilege, some because they’ve created a walled-off space where their notions substitute for reality testing. The subsidiary common theme: they’re not people who like skepticism, and in particular self-skepticism, and thus have no patience for veracity.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:58:16pm

Maybe it’s not too late to go back to school and become an immigration lawyer.

I never thought I would see the day when the USA is forcibly ejecting people from its borders, and allowing corporations to make money from that policy. Ripping families asunder, deporting DREAMers, hassling people with visas and green cards — it’s a dystopic novel.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2017 • 7:58:28pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:02:05pm

re: #60 Anymouse

Had they not been introduced to the religious idea that “abortion is murder,” would all of them come to that position on their own? Or would they listen to the science surrounding reproduction?

I still have a copy of Leo Rosten’s “Religion in America” where Baptists’s were listed as having no opposition to abortion and considered abortion ‘a Catholic issue’. Of course, it all goes back to that leetle detail about using abortion as a sideshow for what they really wanted: not to have to go to school with black children.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:02:10pm

re: #60 Anymouse

I think we largely agree here, we’re just coming at it from slightly different viewpoints.

Of course, it seems to me that an awful lot of religious people don’t, in their heart of hearts, really believe what their religion teaches. If they did, they wouldn’t lie, cheat and steal at anywhere near the rate they do. Would stealing that lady’s purse be as attractive if you truly believed you would be punished for all eternity for it? (yes, and exaggeration, but you get my drift.)

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BeachDem  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:02:17pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg

No True Scotsman

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Wonder if they really meant Mark Helprin or they just misspelled Mark Halperin.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:03:00pm

re: #63 De Kolta Chair

Up-ding for the (gone way too soon) Amy Winehouse reference.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:03:53pm

re: #65 calochortus

I think we largely agree here, we’re just coming at it from slightly different viewpoints.

Of course, it seems to me that an awful lot of religious people don’t, in their heart of hearts, really believe what their religion teaches. If they did, they wouldn’t lie, cheat and steal at anywhere near the rate they do. Would stealing that lady’s purse be as attractive if you truly believed you would be punished for all eternity for it? (yes, and exaggeration, but you get my drift.

It depends on what they worship. Some worship on the alter of white supremacy. Some worship the all mighty dollar. And there are a few that have both gods.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:06:05pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Sad Cat Diary

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:10:30pm

re: #65 calochortus

I think we largely agree here, we’re just coming at it from slightly different viewpoints.

Of course, it seems to me that an awful lot of religious people don’t, in their heart of hearts, really believe what their religion teaches. If they did, they wouldn’t lie, cheat and steal at anywhere near the rate they do. Would stealing that lady’s purse be as attractive if you truly believed you would be punished for all eternity for it? (yes, and exaggeration, but you get my drift.

Pretty much we are coming at it from different directions.

There is one difference however.

If I were presented with incontrovertible evidence that there was a god or gods, I would change my position. My position is not based on faith.

Jeffery Dahlmer allegedly had a deathbed conversion to Jesus and “confessed his sins” about his crimes before he was executed. For most of the versions of Christianity I am familiar with, that’s his “Get out of jail free” card (presuming he was sincere).

On the other hand, it doesn’t matter how good, kind, charitable, civic-minded, you name it an atheist is (or a person of any other religion that had the misfortune to be born at any time in history in an area that did not have Christians to proselytise). It goes from the Catholic version of hell simply being not in the presence of God to the evangelical version of Lucifer and burning lakes of sulphur.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:13:51pm

re: #70 Anymouse

Pretty much we are coming at it from different directions.

There is one difference however.

If I were presented with incontrovertible evidence that there was a god or gods, I would change my position. My position is not based on faith.

Jeffery Dahlmer allegedly had a deathbed conversion to Jesus and “confessed his sins” about his crimes before he was executed. For most of the versions of Christianity I am familiar with, that’s his “Get out of jail free” card (presuming he was sincere).

On the other hand, it doesn’t matter how good, kind, charitable, civic-minded, you name it an atheist is (or a person of any other religion that had the misfortune to be born at any time in history in an area that did not have Christians to proselytise). It goes from the Catholic version of hell simply being not in the presence of God to the evangelical version of Lucifer and burning lakes of sulphur.

That’s a slight simplification that Christians do get wrong. The one thing they ultimately forget is this: It’s up to God to decide who gets in or not. They like to think that all they have to do is accept Jesus and that’s it. But it’s actually way more complicated than that. It isn’t enough to say “Yep, I believe in Jesus and that he’s the son of God.” There’s that whole following Jesus, which almost every Christian you see on TV fails to do. God gets to pick.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:14:05pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

Republicans don’t care about this. What they do care about is that the filthy rich of America will be able to keep more of their usually ill-gotten gains if funding for the ACA is gutted.

I misread that as “Russians don’t care about…”

You know politics is getting fucked up when…

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:15:54pm
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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:18:20pm

re: #71 Belafon

While there are plenty of Christians who fail to follow this particular passage in the New Testament

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. - James 2:17

commonly translated to “faith without works is dead,” the overwhelming majority of Christians do follow that credo.

I simply assert those people (admittedly without evidence) would be good people regardless of their faith, not because of it. (As a matter of fact, I have used an argument before when getting beat up in Yahoo Answers - If the only reason you don’t murder or rob is because your faith tells you not to, by all means, don’t give up your faith.)

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:18:22pm

re: #70 Anymouse

I could also be converted through evidence.
I think the difference here may be that even though I’m old enough to have said grace before snacks in kindergarten, even back then religion was not central to life in the SF Bay Area, and by the time I lived in an area where it was a big deal, I was an adult who was quite comfortable with my lack of belief. Now I’m back in the Bay Area and while there is a wide variety of religions practiced here, there are also a ton of atheists, so I don’t have to fight back against religious pressure of any sort.
You undoubtedly have a different experience there in the Great Heartland.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:19:37pm

The Sad Cat Diary is one of my absolute favorites. I have my own Sad Cat, an apricot point Persian someone dumped after it was clear that breeding had gone too far, and she could not breathe, or eat well, or keep her teeth, or keep her tongue in her mouth. She needs frequent baths to clean up dead food that has been distributed freely around her body. After the bath, she bears a great resemblance to Yoda. Behold:

After the bath
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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:21:28pm

Come to find out, if you remote desktop into a Windows machine from Linux, the Linux running inside Virtual Box on the Windows machine will not function properly. Just too many nesting levels.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:22:26pm

re: #74 Anymouse

While there are plenty of Christians who fail to follow this particular passage in the New Testament

commonly translated to “faith without works is dead,” the overwhelming majority of Christians do follow that credo.

I simply assert those people (admittedly without evidence) would be good people regardless of their faith, not because of it. (As a matter of fact, I have used an argument before when getting beat up in Yahoo Answers - If the only reason you don’t murder or rob is because your faith tells you not to, by all means, don’t give up your faith.)

I don’t doubt that for a minute. Many people believe that their faith helps them be better people, which is fine with me. Support and community are a good thing.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:23:31pm
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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:26:17pm

re: #75 calochortus

I could also be converted through evidence.
I think the difference here may be that even though I’m old enough to have said grace before snacks in kindergarten, even back then religion was not central to life in the SF Bay Area, and by the time I lived in an area where it was a big deal, I was an adult who was quite comfortable with my lack of belief. Now I’m back in the Bay Area and while there is a wide variety of religions practiced here, there are also a ton of atheists, so I don’t have to fight back against religious pressure of any sort.
You undoubtedly have a different experience there in the Great Heartland.

Well, it would appear that lack of religious faith (at least in this little town) is a larger number than some folk would admit. (All of the village employees are atheists, and three of the five village trustees also are - well one claims to be an agnostic, which I file under atheist, but that’s an argument for another day).

I grew up in Mennonite Central in Central Michigan. Spent most of my adult life in Dixie. There are plenty of religious people all over the country, not just the Heartland. (Just to our west, Roman Catholicism segues into Mennonites in Wyoming.)

I have nothing against either Mennonites or Roman Catholics, but it would seem to me that their religious beliefs are incompatible with one another.

There is a very nice Mennonite woman who runs the general store and restaurant in La Grange, Wyo., right across the street from the Frontier School of the Bible [a place you send your children so they aren’t exposed to evil secularism for a few more years]. She doesn’t try to make a Mennonite out of me, I don’t try to make an atheist out of her. Works pretty well. (My wife and she have exchanged a number of both recipes and knitting patterns.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:27:01pm

re: #76 retired cynic

My Ozzie (declawed Red Persian) was a rescue-I had just lost Chaos (a pointed mutt) and I wanted to get another companion for my aged seal-point Himalayan Minuet (who I would have to out down 4 years later at ate age of 16.)

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:29:48pm

re: #81 Eric The Fruit Bat

My Ozzie (declawed Red Persian) was a rescue-I had just lost Chaos (a pointed mutt) and I wanted to get another companion for my aged seal-point Himalayan Minuet (who I would have to out down 4 years later at ate age of 16.)

I don’t bathe Felix Randomkitty. I don’t own a suit of armour.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:29:58pm

re: #81 Eric The Fruit Bat

My Ozzie (declawed Red Persian) was a rescue-I had just lost Chaos (a pointed mutt) and I wanted to get another companion for my aged Himalayan Minuet (who I would have to out down 4 years later at ate age of 16.)

I have no idea how old Mattie is. She came perhaps 10 years ago as a mature cat, and her hair has gotten pretty thin. But she still hobbles around and seeks windowsills in the sun.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:30:21pm

Someone who takes his or her oath of service seriously,

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:37:06pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:37:29pm

IIRC Meloni is a pretty conservative guy, so this is a notable tweet.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:38:25pm

re: #83 retired cynic

Ozzie has a massive condo….

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:39:10pm

re: #87 Eric The Fruit Bat

And he sleeps, yet the dread vacuum cleaner lurks nearby!

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:39:15pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

If we survive this thing, the books are going to be absolutely fascinating.

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:39:22pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

I thought that was going to be a video of Ozzie.

That was very funny. Thanks!

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:40:09pm

re: #86 wheat-dogg

Look at all that blank paper! What a waste.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:40:23pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:42:18pm

That there is one big damn hole…

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:43:55pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

Khzir Khan is wearing one of those terrorist supporter stars on his jacket!!!11!!!

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:44:06pm

My glass of wine is having its desired effect, so I think I’m going to say good night and vegetate in front of the TV for a while.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:44:36pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart

Easily hundreds of millions of dollars worth of repairs.

And it’s still the middle of the winter.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:46:18pm

re: #95 calochortus

My glass of wine is having its desired effect, so I think I’m going to say good night and vegetate in front of the TV for a while.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

G’night … enjoy some TV for me too. (::

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:49:34pm

The Hill: Schwarzenegger quits ‘Celebrity Apprentice,’ citing Trump

Arnold Schwarzenegger says his first season as host of NBC’s “Celebrity Apprentice” is also his last.

In remarks Friday, the former California governor cited President Trump, who has repeatedly mocked the ratings of his reality TV replacement, as his reason.

“Even if asked [to do it again] I would decline,” Schwarzenegger told Empire magazine . “I learned a lot, I had a great time, it was a really great opportunity. But under the circumstances, I don’t want to do it again.”

“With Trump being involved in the show people have a bad taste and don’t want to participate as a spectator or sponsor or in any other way support the show. It’s a very divisive period right now and I think the show got caught up in all that division.”
Schwarzenegger’s ratings as host of “Apprentice” have lagged far behind Trump’s, finishing the season last in its time slot among the four broadcast networks.

In his remarks Friday, he blamed Trump for the bad numbers.

“It’s not about the show,” Schwarzenegger said. “Because everyone I ran into came up to me and said ‘I love the show…but I turned it off as I read Trump’s name I’m outta there.’”

“When people found out that Trump was still involved as executive producer and was still receiving money from the show, then half the people [started] boycotting it,” he added.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:52:36pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart

That there is one big damn hole…

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If I were living downstream of that dam, I’d be thinking about moving about now.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:53:32pm

re: #98 Eric The Fruit Bat

It looks like it’s beginning: The Trump name is causing damage to his business interests.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:55:35pm

re: #100 Anymouse

It looks like it’s beginning: The Trump name is causing damage to his business interests.

Soon, emoluments will be the only income he has.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:56:16pm

You know what to do.

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:56:52pm

re: #100 Anymouse

It looks like it’s beginning: The Trump name is causing damage to his business interests.

Note enough for my tastes. I want all his Business interests destroyed; his name so toxic no one wants anything to do with it or him or his horrible offspring. Ideally, when that fucker dies, here’s so poor they bury him in Potter’s Field.

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I cannot.  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:57:23pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 3, 2017 • 8:58:09pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

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Another potential nuclear state. There has long been a minor under-current of agitation for an independent Australian nuclear deterrent but it was always regarded as borderline crack-pottery. Now, though, it’s hard to tell.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:00:21pm

re: #103 MsJ

Note enough for my tastes. I want all his Business interests destroyed; his name so toxic no one wants anything to do with it or him or his horrible offspring. Ideally, when that fucker dies, here’s so poor they bury him in Potter’s Field.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:02:10pm

re: #103 MsJ

Note enough for my tastes. I want all his Business interests destroyed; his name so toxic no one wants anything to do with it or him or his horrible offspring. Ideally, when that fucker dies, here’s so poor they bury him in Potter’s Field.

Like Edward Nygma trying to get revenge on Penguin in the Gotham TV series.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:12:05pm

Trump plagiarized Obama’s HBCU EO and added stuff.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:14:25pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

(iii) improving the ability of HBCUs to remain fiscally secure institutions that can assist the Nation in reaching its goal of having the highest proportion of college graduates by 2020 its educational goals and in advancing the interests of all Americans;

They deleted the crossed out and added the bold. Why won’t those black colleges think about the whites. //

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:15:40pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

OMG, there is no shame.

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prairiefire  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:15:51pm

re: #87 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ozzie has a massive condo….

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Awesome! Bet you need that vacuum cleaner, lol.

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RinaX  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:15:52pm

re: #70 Anymouse

Pretty much we are coming at it from different directions.

There is one difference however.

If I were presented with incontrovertible evidence that there was a god or gods, I would change my position. My position is not based on faith.

Jeffery Dahlmer allegedly had a deathbed conversion to Jesus and “confessed his sins” about his crimes before he was executed. For most of the versions of Christianity I am familiar with, that’s his “Get out of jail free” card (presuming he was sincere).

On the other hand, it doesn’t matter how good, kind, charitable, civic-minded, you name it an atheist is (or a person of any other religion that had the misfortune to be born at any time in history in an area that did not have Christians to proselytise). It goes from the Catholic version of hell simply being not in the presence of God to the evangelical version of Lucifer and burning lakes of sulphur.

One point, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t executed, he was beaten to death in prison.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:19:55pm

re: #70 Anymouse

Jeffery Dahlmer allegedly had a deathbed conversion to Jesus and “confessed his sins” about his crimes before he was executed.

This is false. He became a born-again Christian shortly after he was incarcerated. He was beaten to death with a broom handle in prison by another prisoner serving life for murder.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:21:25pm

re: #109 Belafon

And

Revocation of Executive Order. Executive Order 13532 of February 26, 2010, (Promoting Excellence, Innovation, and Sustainability at Historically Black Colleges and Universities) as amended, is revoked.

They can’t stomach the idea of helping HBCUs.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:23:38pm

re: #112 RinaX

One point, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t executed, he was beaten to death in prison.

True. My bad.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:24:36pm

re: #113 teleskiguy

This is false. He became a born-again Christian shortly after he was incarcerated. He was beaten to death with a broom handle in prison by another prisoner serving life for murder.

Thank you for the correction. “Jailhouse” conversion, not deathbed conversion.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:27:39pm

re: #114 Belafon

Not surprising or anything, just adding to the thread.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:30:09pm

Same tailor as his Easter Bunny costume I presume.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:32:07pm

re: #117 JordanRules

Who would have ever guessed Trump was just using those nice black people as props?

//

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:32:15pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

Free market chart-makers will provide the charts. Herpity derpity do!!

If that happens I will start up a nautical salvage company, that also creates and distributes maps.

It will save me the problem of building fake navigational buoys.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:32:33pm

re: #118 JordanRules

Same tailor as his Easter Bunny costume I presume.

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I see what looks like a secret service guy carrying a magazine with DT on the cover. Can’t be parted for each bit of glory.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:34:47pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

Trump plagiarized Obama’s HBCU EO and added stuff.

re: #110 retired cynic

OMG, there is no shame.

re: #114 Belafon

And

They can’t stomach the idea of helping HBCUs.

Sorry folks, but this is a silly line of complaint.
There is no such thing as plagiarizing government directives.
Laws/Orders/Regulations/Directives/Policy Letters are all regularly updated using previous documents text.
And, revocation of previous EOs when changes are made is normal, and many cases necessary if even minor changes are made.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:35:38pm

re: #111 prairiefire

Awesome! Bet you need that vacuum cleaner, lol.

Not that much, actually-the entire place is in laminate, with some large area rugs that are handled quite nicely with a new Shark I picked up-beats lugging that Miele around….

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:36:07pm

re: #118 JordanRules

I’m not a stickler on flag code, but that seems…in bad taste.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:37:34pm

re: #118 JordanRules

12TH DIMENSIONAL CHESS

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:37:54pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

Oomph. Sorry. Should have known.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:38:00pm

re: #121 retired cynic

I don’t know, he looks vaguely familiar as part of the traitor posse but he could be secret service carrying stuff for the traitor gang.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:38:53pm

re: #124 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Too on the damn nose for me, didn’t think of flag code yet.

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RinaX  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:39:13pm

re: #117 JordanRules

Not surprising or anything, just adding to the thread.

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Every single one of them played themselves. This administration has made it more than clear exactly what they are, and yet we still have delusional negroes showing up and smiling big for photo ops with Trump, hoping that he will treat *them* differently.

He won’t.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:39:36pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

Sorry folks, but this is a silly line of complaint.
There is no such thing as plagiarizing government directives.
Laws/Orders/Regulations/Directives/Policy Letters are all regularly updated using previous documents text.
And, revocation of previous EOs when changes are made is normal, and many cases necessary if even minor changes are made.

I was being half-serious. But to me it indicates Trump’s minions are far from original thinkers, and his administration’s total lack of respect for the HBCUs.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:43:41pm

re: #124 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m not a stickler on flag code, but that seems…in bad taste.

How many conservatives hold the position that you have to practically worship the US flag, yet don’t know diddly about what is actually in the Flag Code?

I wear multiple hats in my village government (someone’s gotta do it). One of those hats is the Flag Committee chair (charged with ensuring flags owned by the city government are properly displayed, replaced when needed, flagstaffs properly maintained, &c).

When I do something with the village flags (for example, put them at half-mast for a proclamation), I will also cite the relevant section of the US Flag Code (and the state or Federal proclamation involved).

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:44:02pm

re: #129 RinaX

I heard that he surprised them with his request to come to his orange presence. Basically he hijacked the meeting to get “his blacks” in another photo opp. And I’m sure Omarosa was happy to facilitate in the shadiest manner possible.

Your point still stands though. I wouldn’t show up for shit!

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:45:02pm

re: #130 wheat-dogg

I was being half-serious. But to me it indicates Trump’s minions are far from original thinkers, and his administration’s total lack of respect for the HBCUs.

See also Betsy DeVos’s clueless statement that black colleges were a free-market solution to a “lack of seats in state universities.”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:46:03pm

re: #130 wheat-dogg

I was being half-serious. But to me it indicates Trump’s minions are far from original thinkers, and his administration’s total lack of respect for the HBCUs.

I would venture that if someone bothered to look back there’s a great possibility that Obama’s HBCU EO mirrored one done by Bush the Jr, and his mirrored Clinton’s, and his Bush the Sr’s, and his Reagan’s, and his Carter.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:46:44pm

re: #127 JordanRules

Others are concurring that it’s a security resource. Now it’s just weird that he has that magazine in the shot. And Spicey is a damn mess.

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RinaX  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:50:23pm

re: #132 JordanRules

I heard that he surprised them with his request to come to his orange presence. Basically he hijacked the meeting to get “his blacks” in another photo opp. And I’m sure Omarosa was happy to facilitate in the shadiest manner possible.

Your point still stands though. I wouldn’t show up for shit!

That sounds like him. But I’m to the point where IMO anyone black or representing black interests who’s not Omarosa or Ben Carson shouldn’t be near that place. As you said, don’t show up for shit!

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:50:33pm

re: #135 JordanRules

Others are concurring that it’s a security resource. Now it’s just weird that he has that magazine in the shot. And Spicey is a damn mess.

I feel so sorry for Spicey. It’s extremely tough to be a reasonable, measured spox when you’ve got Prexy’s dick up your ass.

Damn amusing, though.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:52:27pm

re: #131 Anymouse

I think the flag is treated just like they treat everything else: it’s theirs to do with whatever they want, in all kinds of ways that just amount to merging ego and the larger notions like “virtue” and “nation,” in ways that diminish the latter.

By contrast, nobody else gets to do anything with the flag.

SSDD

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:53:45pm

re: #138 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Remember Palin’s flag shoes? Gag.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:56:17pm

re: #134 FormerDirtDart

I would venture that if someone bothered to look back there’s a great possibility that Obama’s HBCU EO mirrored one done by Bush the Jr, and his mirrored Clinton’s, and his Bush the Sr’s, and his Reagan’s, and his Carter.

Quite likely.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:58:40pm

re: #138 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I think the flag is treated just like they treat everything else: it’s theirs to do with whatever they want, in all kinds of ways that just amount to merging ego and the larger notions like “virtue” and “nation,” in ways that diminish the latter.

By contrast, nobody else gets to do anything with the flag.

SSDD

Since no one in town has Internet but me, when a proclamation or a statutory regulation changes the position of the US flag, I will run off a quick notification and distribute it to the village hall, the gun shop, the beauty shop, the general store, the Co-op, and the Post Office (that’s our businesses).

Most folk will simply look either at the park or village hall flags, or my own house flag, to see how it should be positioned for the day. (I only put my flag out for statutory display dates or for proclamations.)

It’s kind of surreal: I put my flag out, and within an hour everyone in town that owns a flag will also put theirs out.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:58:42pm

re: #137 austin_blue

I don’t know, he could play happy crazy like Page apparently does with his psycho smiles or I can’t be bothered crazy like Rinse and Repeat or my own language crazy like KAC-KAC but Spicey really tries to act mad like he’s not standing up there acting like a fucking fool holding up dog shit.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:58:59pm

re: #132 JordanRules

I heard that he surprised them with his request to come to his orange presence. Basically he hijacked the meeting to get “his blacks” in another photo opp. And I’m sure Omarosa was happy to facilitate in the shadiest manner possible.

Your point still stands though. I wouldn’t show up for shit!

The president of Dillard U reported the college people were scheduled to sit down with DeVos and others to share their concerns and ideas. Instead, that meeting was canceled and they were ushered into the Oval Office to see Trump. Only half of the officers got to deliver their remarks, because the meeting was cut short, grip and grins taken, and out they wen.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 9:59:47pm

re: #143 wheat-dogg

Bamboozled!

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Interesting Times  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:01:10pm

herp derp, trump will bring back our jerbz!!!1!!

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No Depression  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:07:06pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

Trump plagiarized Obama’s HBCU EO and added stuff.

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Trump is the very epitome of white mediocrity being rewarded over non-white excellence.

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:07:55pm

So GW has decided to bring back Guilliman and DAMN!

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:08:46pm

re: #146 No Depression

All day, every day. His whole team is. It hurts my stomach, my head and my soul.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:09:14pm

E-mail notification from Amazon that my order for a case of diabetic cat food is confirmed.

There is nothing in the E-mail to indicate I used the link from Little Green Footballs to order the food. Does Amazon normally acknowledge that you ordered something through a pass-through link from here, or no?

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:12:00pm

re: #149 Anymouse

I don’t think I ever noticed any indicators when I used the Balloon Juice link. I could have been doing it wrong every time tho.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:13:36pm

re: #144 JordanRules

Bamboozled!

Yup. They got played. And not very subtly dissed.

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:20:51pm

re: #151 wheat-dogg

Yup. They got played. And not very subtly dissed.

Dissed is a gentle term. They got fucked up the patootie. And all for optics. It’s the last time that group will ever accept an invitation to DC.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:21:40pm

re: #150 JordanRules

I don’t think I ever noticed any indicators when I used the Balloon Juice link. I could have been doing it wrong every time tho.

I clicked the link here; that took me to Amazon where I logged in. Then went to the page with the food on it and placed the order.

If I did it wrong, I’m sorry Mr. Johnson. I did intend to throw a few cents or whatever Amazon pays you for a sixty dollar order… .

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I cannot.  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:22:32pm

re: #147 Kragar

Is GW making an ever-so-subtle-as-is-their-nature comment on the modern world?

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:24:33pm

Weird off-topic frontier kitchen stuff:

For the past couple days, we’ve been hearing a Mason jar go “ping” as it seals and unseals due to temperature or humidity changes in our house.

We wanted to find out what jar was doing that (yes, canning is still a thing here), because eating from something home-canned that keeps unsealing is a fast way to food poisoning.

My wife just found it. She has bulk cinnamon in a Mason jar. That’s the jar making the sound (she saw the lid pop when the “ping” just went off).

I’m guessing we won’t be poisoned by cinnamon.

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:26:07pm

re: #155 Anymouse

Weird off-topic frontier kitchen stuff:

For the past couple days, we’ve been hearing a Mason jar go “ping” as it seals and unseals due to temperature or humidity changes in our house.

We wanted to find out what jar was doing that (yes, canning is still a thing here), because eating from something home-canned that keeps unsealing is a fast way to food poisoning.

My wife just found it. She has bulk cinnamon in a Mason jar. That’s the jar making the sound (she saw the lid pop when the “ping” just went off).

I’m guessing we won’t be poisoned by cinnamon.

Be glad you aren’t eating soy nut butter.

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:28:18pm

re: #154 I cannot.

Mayhaps, though they’ve been building up “The End Times” scenario for the last few years.

I’m waiting for the Wolf’s Hour to come at last.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:28:40pm

re: #156 austin_blue

Be glad you aren’t eating soy nut butter.

LOL. I.M. Health brand soy nut butter that gives you food poisoning.

Back when the Georgia peanut butter plant shipped out a bunch of salmonella-flavoured peanut butter, my sister got intensely sick from it.

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:32:52pm

Holy crap, I just realized if they bring back Leman Russ, they’ll probably kill off Bjorn the Fell-Handed.

NOOOOO!

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prairiefire  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:33:15pm

re: #123 Eric The Fruit Bat

Cool, I remember the days before I was allergic, chasing orange fur around the hard wood floors with an old school white duster with a wood handle. It would swirl up in little tornadoes, ha.

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:34:00pm

re: #158 Anymouse

LOL. I.M. Health brand soy nut butter that gives you food poisoning.

Back when the Georgia peanut butter plant shipped out a bunch of salmonella-flavoured peanut butter, my sister got intensely sick from it.

E-coli is as bad or worse. Salmonella generally turns you into a dual point seething organic volcano for a day or so. E-coli will kill you dead bang.

Well, dear friends, it’s well past pumpkin-time in Central Texas and tomorrow SXSW ramps up (I see Badge People!) so I’ll bid you all adieu.

Sweet scaly dreams.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:35:16pm

re: #160 prairiefire

Cool, I remember the days before I was allergic, chasing orange fur around the hard wood floors with an old school white duster with a wood handle. It would swirl up in little tornadoes, ha.

Vacuuming here (1 dog and 3 cats) twice a week always yields enough hair to add water and make another cat.

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prairiefire  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:37:43pm

re: #162 retired cynic

Vacuuming here (1 dog and 3 cats) twice a week always yields enough hair to add water and make another cat.

After many, many sinus infections and bronchitis, my dr said “I have a solution!” He wrote on his rx pad and showed it to me “get rid of your cats.”

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:38:50pm

re: #163 prairiefire

After many, many sinus infections and bronchitis, my dr said “I have a solution!” He wrote on his rx pad and showed it to me “get rid of your cats.”

Sorry. I love my critters. I’ll deal with the messed up sinuses and asthma.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:40:06pm

re: #163 prairiefire

After many, many sinus infections and bronchitis, my dr said “I have a solution!” He wrote on his rx pad and showed it to me “get rid of your cats.”

LOL. Felix Randomkitty seems to be able to grow enough hair for a fleet of cats every week or so.

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majii  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:42:45pm

re: #71 Belafon

“But it’s actually way more complicated than that. It isn’t enough to say “Yep, I believe in Jesus and that he’s the son of God.” There’s that whole following Jesus, which almost every Christian you see on TV fails to do. God gets to pick.”

Thanks for stating this. I’m a Christian, but I do not recognize the type of Christianity many in the public sphere practice. Take Paul Ryan, for instance. He professes to be a Christian but has never written a budget that doesn’t benefit our wealthiest citizens the most, and he’s never skipped a legislative opportunity to punish the poor and the sick for being poor and sick. These types of Christians are all words and no action. It seems to me that for them, Christianity is a vehicle they use to increase their wealth or raise their political or business profile. They remind me of an old Negro spiritual we used to sing in youth choir when I was kid that had the refrain, “Everybody talking about heaven ain’t going there.” They give voice to Christianity and Christian principles, but they don’t practice what they preach.

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prairiefire  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:43:45pm

re: #164 retired cynic

I lost custody in the divorce so that’s how that worked out. Went with 2 kids instead, who are both going to have huge menageries as soon as they get out of my pet deprived house, lol.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:45:00pm

re: #167 prairiefire

Sounds like the good part of the deal!

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I cannot.  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:45:23pm

re: #157 Kragar

I have read a bit of GW’s 40k stuff, it’s way too grimdark for me, but this End Times scenario intrigues me…you wouldn’t happen to know where I can find some compact information about it? (the 40k wikia seems to be lacking)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:46:42pm
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Single-handed sailor  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:49:59pm

I finally did it. I took a redundant investment in my portfolio that wasn’t doing as good as it’s counterpart and traded it in for 3 cannabis stocks in Canada, mostly for shits and giggles. Today was their first day in the portfolio and they performed well.

My Weed Stocks, LOL
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:50:00pm

I remember when I found my Boxer, Shelby. I was going to find her a good home.
That was nearly seven and a half years ago. And she wasn’t nearly as cute as that puppy.
That dog ain’t going no where…
lol

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:54:40pm

Damn, the hits just keep coming for Le Pen…

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:54:41pm

Libertarian Party candidate running for the Virginia House of Delegates is running on a “red pill platform” (yeah, the Roosh V thing, who he links frequently on his campaign Website).

Parts of his platform include abolishing marital rape laws, abolishing child pornography laws, anarcho-capitalism, abolishing the XVII Amendment, &c &c.

The Libertarian Party of Virginia is considering expelling him from their party. (Apparently, they have to think about it, because a lot of that stuff is things that Libertarians actually hold in principle, if not in practice.)

Nathan Larson is running as a Libertarian for the 31st district. He is a convicted felon, and under Virginia law, should not be able to hold office. However, Terry McAullife pardoned all convicted felons, which means he can run for office. (His crime was threatening to kill President Obama.)

Virginia LGFers might consider watching out for this guy.

Since I don’t want to link to this douche’s campaign site, I’ll link to Wonkette’s article about him instead.
wonkette.com

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:54:47pm

re: #169 I cannot.

A lot of it hasn’t been released yet. They’ve been leading up to for the last few years, with Abadon’s 13th Black Crusade, rumors the Golden Throne was starting to break down, the return of the Wulfen and Magnus finally leaving the Eye of Terror. The first End Times book covered the fall and destruction of Cadia, with the Eldar coming to aid the Imperium. The newest book covers the Eldar, which I haven’t really followed, and their next release is the return of Guilliman, who is coming out of stasis after 10k years, and Cypher leading the Fallen Angels back to Terra.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:54:56pm

My au jus turned out perfect with my slow-cooked pork tenderloin.

I am addicted to salt.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:56:51pm

re: #163 prairiefire

After many, many sinus infections and bronchitis, my dr said “I have a solution!” He wrote on his rx pad and showed it to me “get rid of your cats.”

What about a dog? I grew up allergic to cats so I had a dog all my life and couldn’t bear to not have one. (In retrospect it could just be all the flowers and underbrush the cats run through.) I moved to probably the worst part of California for allergies when I was a kid, it’s not so bad since they paved over the bay area and the inland areas behind that.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:57:12pm

re: #174 Anymouse

My understanding was the court wouldn’t let McAuliffe pardon all felons who had served their terms in jail, and that he did it on a case by case basis, doing as many a week as he could.

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majii  Mar 3, 2017 • 10:57:16pm

re: #143 wheat-dogg

“The president of Dillard U reported the college people were scheduled to sit down with DeVos and others to share their concerns and ideas. Instead, that meeting was canceled and they were ushered into the Oval Office to see Trump. Only half of the officers got to deliver their remarks, because the meeting was cut short, grip and grins taken, and out they wen.”

If Trump & Co. think that posing with a group of black college officials will change my view of them, I have a “medicine” I will provide to them free of charge that will protect them from every disease known to mankind. {I am not a doctor.} I pay close attention to what a person does rather than at photos of them that they have taken and send out to give the impression that they have favorable views and opinions of that group of Americans. I don’t bow, and I don’t scrape to those like Trump & Co because their butts are headed to the same destination that I’m headed to—-six feet underground.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:00:52pm

re: #179 majii

“The president of Dillard U reported the college people were scheduled to sit down with DeVos and others to share their concerns and ideas. Instead, that meeting was canceled and they were ushered into the Oval Office to see Trump. Only half of the officers got to deliver their remarks, because the meeting was cut short, grip and grins taken, and out they wen.”

If Trump & Co. think that posing with a group of black college officials will change my view of them, I have a “medicine” I will provide to them free of charge that will protect them from every disease known to mankind. {I am not a doctor.} I pay close attention to what a person does rather than at photos of them that they have taken and send out to give the impression that they have favorable views and opinions of that group of Americans. I don’t bow, and I don’t scrape to those like Trump & Co because their butts are headed to the same destination that I’m headed to—-six feet underground.

Trump is only pandering to the clueless; he can point to the photo and claim he really does care about PoC — “See all my friends?” But PoC and anyone else with a brain can see right through the charade. I can imagine those officers has some choice words to say about their experience once they got back to their hotel.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:02:24pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart

Damn, the hits just keep coming for Le Pen…

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Obviously a conspiracy to sabotage her candidacy because the shadowy forces behind her competitors know she’s going to win bigly.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:04:48pm

re: #178 retired cynic

My understanding was the court wouldn’t let McAuliffe pardon all felons who had served their terms in jail, and that he did it on a case by case basis, doing as many a week as he could.

He pretty much got to all of them (at least he got to this Libertarian Party douche).

And I got the amendment wrong, he doesn’t want to repeal the XVII Amendment, he wants to repeal the XIX Amendment (women’s right to vote).

He also wants to repeal all laws concerning incest and marrying family members. (Wonkette explains why he wants to do this: Hint - women are property and daughters can be better supported if they are married to their fathers.)

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prairiefire  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:05:11pm

re: #177 Single-handed sailor

Maybe one day. Now that my kids are almost grown, I appreciate not having to worry about another being’s bodily functions! Could probably use the extra hugs, tho. We had Dobermans at my mom’s growing up. Wonderful, wonderful creatures.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:05:52pm

re: #166 majii

I was talking to my priest the other day and commented how I’d like to ask Franklin Graham if I could tell him the Good News of Christ Jesus. It is certainly very obvious that he’s never met Him and could use being born again.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:10:26pm

Even worse on Nathan Larsen.
csindy.com

(more at the link)

In October, Nathan Larson traveled to Colorado Springs, where an El Paso County jury faced the decision of entrusting him with the care of his infant daughter.

Larson is a 35-year-old part-time accountant who lives with his parents in Virginia and is engaged to a citizen of the Philippines. He’s also a felon who once threatened to kill President George W. Bush, and although he wouldn’t call himself a pedophile, he admits to having sexual feelings toward both adults and children.

Larson says he doesn’t think he would molest his own daughter but isn’t sure, since he’s “never been in that kind of situation before.” He does, however, think it’s OK for adults to engage in sexual acts with children, as long as there is what he refers to as “consent,” although the age at which a child can “consent” to such activities depends on the child, he says, because some children are “precocious.”

Any traumatic outcomes from these acts, he believes, are mostly the result of a child feeling betrayed or of the shame enforced by societal norms.

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allegro  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:12:14pm

re: #180 wheat-dogg

Trump is only pandering to the clueless; he can point to the photo and claim he really does care about PoC — “See all my friends?” But PoC and anyone else with a brain can see right through the charade. I can imagine those officers has some choice words to say about their experience once they got back to their hotel.

They were manipulated into a non-consensual position that was very public. What are they gonna do? They can make a scene that would reflect on their positions (which demand serious comportment at their level) and their institutions (which depend on federal funds to a large extent) and had no time to consider their options (none under the circumstances). They behaved appropriately as professionals.

Republicans do not do consent. That is what it comes down to.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:12:31pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Obviously a conspiracy to sabotage her candidacy because the shadowy forces behind her competitors know she’s going to win bigly.

//////

Trudeau is behind it, trying to inflict his liberal democratic ideology on the world, the creep!

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:15:57pm

And now humor…

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:29:08pm

re: #186 allegro

Pretty sure y’all agree and wheat is reiterating how foul 45 is and the likelihood that after this bullshit scene they were able to discuss what really went down.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:33:21pm

re: #189 JordanRules

Pretty sure y’all agree and wheat is reiterating how foul 45 is and the likelihood that after this bullshit scene they were able to discuss what really went down.

And they are still somewhat constrained: Both a public university and a non-profit (as many such colleges are) cannot take positions on politicians or politics.

Moreover, if someone in charge of one of those colleges was to come out and directly attack Betsy DeVos or Donald Trump, I imagine the retribution would be swift.

My guess is if there is ever another such meeting proposed, they will all have full schedules to have wisdom teeth pulled or something that they would need to excuse themselves.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:33:51pm

The Trumpers, who in many cases are transferees in from the Tea Party bus, have painted themselves into such an ideological corner that they can’t get out without openly admitting their own long history of bigotry and narrow-minded jostling of national and local politics.

There is no way back once you’ve gone too far.

I fear this is where we’re at in American polity today. Our hope is simply to out-survive whatever bad happens from all the mindless poor decisions.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:34:28pm
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allegro  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:34:54pm

re: #189 JordanRules

Pretty sure y’all agree and wheat is reiterating how foul 45 is and the likelihood that after this bullshit scene they were able to discuss what really went down.

I was not disagreeing. Mostly just reliving having been placed in similar predicaments.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:36:07pm

re: #190 Anymouse

Indeed! Please believe most of them know how to navigate these waters - what to say, when and where etc.

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:37:01pm

re: #193 allegro

No doubt! See my comment at 194. ;)
You already know.

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:47:06pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart

That’s a bullshit law though, and the unfair charges will make her even more popular.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:52:36pm

Men Going Their Own Way Are Treading a Well-Worn Path to Alt-Right Racist Extremism (Goes to We Hunted the Mammoth)

Reddit banned three so-called “alt-right” sub-reddits for violations of terms-of-service (doxxing).

Those people were not banned from Reddit, however. They invaded the MGTOW sub-reddits.

It turns out, the MGTOW folks are swinging to the alt-right fascist ideas from their new friends (or maybe they had those ideas all along).

More at the link:

But don’t worry, folks! The refugees from these banned subreddits haven’t been forced to leave Reddit for more bigoted pastures, for as it turns out Reddit is chock-full of subreddits big and small where their brand of bigotry is welcomed with open arms and perhaps even a few “Roman salutes.”

One of these places is the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. While Reddit’s MGTOWs have long been known for their ridiculously over-the-top outbursts of misogyny, many of them are now adding vicious racism and anti-Semitism to the mix. Indeed, some discussions in the subreddit now are basically indistinguishable from the discussions you might have found in the now-banned alt-right subreddits.

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Anymouse  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:53:43pm

re: #196 Nyet

That’s a bullshit law though, and the unfair charges will make her even more popular.

What are the charges, and why are they unfair?

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allegro  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:55:33pm

re: #195 JordanRules

No doubt! See my comment at 194. ;)
You already know.

More than you know. One of my favorite stories as a “token” (meaning I was twice as good and worked twice, at least, as hard) woman in the Good Ol’ Boys club back in the day was as the department head at a major Texas university when we “entertained” a highly placed federal official. Before the meeting, he ordered me to fetch him coffee, being the only woman in the room and before we had been introduced. (My given name in its shortened form is gender neutral so most assumed I was male until meeting face to face.) I did fetch his coffee making a point to ask him if it was satisfactory, looking him dead in the eye and smiling sweetly, in front of all other attendees when I sat down at the head of the table to begin the meeting.

He was rendered quite conciliatory to my demands requests subsequently.

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:56:03pm
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Nyet  Mar 3, 2017 • 11:57:27pm

re: #198 Anymouse

What are the charges,

If you have bothered to read what I was responding to, you don’t need to ask this question.

If you ask the question without even having read, I can’t be bothered to respond.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:01:10am

re: #200 Kragar

Scores of Trump supporters turned out on Sunday — tomorrow’s headlines

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:01:26am

re: #200 Kragar

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Because the one this week was so successful. DOZENS showed up!

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:03:17am

I’ll be too busy at the dog park and going to WalMart for Girl Scout cookies tomorrow. THIN MINTS!!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:04:23am

re: #201 Nyet

If you have bothered to read what I was responding to, you don’t need to ask this question.

If you ask the question without even having read, I can’t be bothered to respond.

I just found the link and read it.

Ms. Le Pen is also being investigated in connection with accusations that she paid National Front aides with money from funds provided by the European Union. According to the accusations, she was involved in a phony-jobs scheme in which aides working for her and other National Front deputies at the Parliament were actually carrying out party work.

The lifting of her parliamentary immunity concerns only the case involving the Islamic State photographs and not the more serious accusations of misusing European Union funds.

The Islamic State photos she retweeted were something like agitprop. They were intended to shock and slur an entire group of people (Muslims) over the actions of a very few (criminal murderers).

The EU does have different laws concerning speech than the USA. As such, tweeting violent criminal acts (murder by beheading) is not considered protected speech in Europe.

Does that make their law “bullshit” as you put it? FOX News did something similar (comparing Dr. Edward Tiller to a murderer of babies) and it got him assassinated.

That’s the power of agitprop. Bill O’Reilly in a just nation would be in jail for setting in motion a murderer.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:06:25am

re: #204 allegro

I too will be busy cleaning my pantry!

I wouldn’t mind a thick mint option one day.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:07:56am

re: #205 Anymouse

Does that make their law “bullshit” as you put it?

If you can go to jail for up to three years for demonstrating the true face of ISIS, yes, the law is bullshit. Obviously so.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:08:53am

re: #206 JordanRules

I too will be busy cleaning my pantry!

I wouldn’t mind a thick mint option one day.

And oh yeah, I get free dinner at Sweet Tomatoes for my birthday! (They generously allow me a two week window to collect.)

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:12:58am

re: #207 Nyet

If you can go to jail for up to three years for demonstrating the true face of ISIS, yes, the law is bullshit. Obviously so.

Marine Le Pen’s entire schtick is to paint all Muslims as potential criminal murderers because so-called Islamic State are.

So can I paint all Christians as potential criminal murderers because Scott Roeder and Eric Rudolph and people like the Army of God and such are?

Are we applying different standards to Muslims than Christians because (brown, Muslim, whatever)?

I’m interested in how you view this. How is Richard Reed (the shooter at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs) not representative of Christians if IS is representative of Muslims?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:13:09am

Some dancing for y’all

JABBAWOCKEEZ - TWO STEP CHALLENGE

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:18:12am

re: #209 Anymouse

You went off on a tangent completely unrelated to anything that had been under discussion.
Not playing, sorry.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:18:30am

re: #210 wheat-dogg

**starts a horizontal 2 step in bed**

re: #208 allegro

Woot! Happy born day, enjoy the noms!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:20:24am

Kitty cat

Instagram

@natgeo @stevewinterphoto Happy World Wildlife Day—which commemorates the March 3rd, 1973 signing of CITES, an international treaty between 183 nations that regulates trade in endangered species. Tigers, along with so many other animals, hang on the brink of extinction—if we don’t act, some of the planet’s most iconic wildlife will disappear on our watch, Each of the remaining six tiger subspecies are endangered—and together, there are only about 3,800 wild tigers left. The biggest threat they face is from poaching for a luxury trade in tiger products largely in China, particularly for tiger skin home decor and tiger bone wine (made by soaking a tiger skeleton in rice wine). Commercial tiger breeding operations fan a growing black market trade in these items: tigers are farmed like pigs and chickens in China, Thailand, Vietnam and Laos—feeding tigers into the illegal international trade. This market puts a price on the head of every remaining wild tiger. Right now, China holds the fate of wild tigers in its hands: a list is currently being drawn up by the central State Forestry Administration (SFA) which will decide which protected wildlife species can be traded commercially within China.If tigers are included on that list, they will be poached into extinction: wild tigers are worth more than captive tigers.
The fate of other big cats like lions, leopards, cheetah and snow leopards are all in trouble for similar reasons.

#tigers #wildlife #extinction #CITES #WorldWildlifeDay #wildlifetrafficking #China @africanparksnetwork #ldfoundation

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:25:30am

re: #211 Nyet

You went off on a tangent completely unrelated to anything that had been under discussion.
Not playing, sorry.

No I didn’t.

You claimed Marine Le Pen was simply showing the horrors of ISIS.

I noted Marine Le Pen’s whole ideology is to demonise Muslims by calling attention (through graphic agitprop) of a small criminal subset.

I then made a comparison of Marine Le Pen’s agitprop to Bill O’Reilly’s agitprop that resulted in an assassination.

I then compared other criminal elements of Christian faith, and asked if it was fair to paint all Christians as potential criminal elements, since Marine Le Pen does the same with Muslims.

I then asked you I truly wanted to know if you believe there are (or should be) different rules for Christians and Muslims.

You then claimed I was changing the subject, and said you weren’t playing.

So, are all Christians guilty of the crimes of a few, as Marine Le Pen would have you believe of Muslims? If you regard this as “playing,” yeah I guess we are done, because you are being intellectually dishonest.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:31:27am

re: #204 allegro

I’ll be too busy at the dog park and going to WalMart for Girl Scout cookies tomorrow. THIN MINTS!!!!

Their peanut butter cookies are good for dipping in red wine. ;-D

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:32:20am

re: #214 Anymouse

No I didn’t.

You claimed Marine Le Pen was simply showing the horrors of ISIS.

I noted Marine Le Pen’s whole ideology is to demonise Muslims by calling attention (through graphic agitprop) of a small criminal subset.

I then made a comparison of Marine Le Pen’s agitprop to Bill O’Reilly’s agitprop that resulted in an assassination.

I then compared other criminal elements of Christian faith, and asked if it was fair to paint all Christians as potential criminal elements, since Marine Le Pen does the same with Muslims.

I then asked you I truly wanted to know if you believe there are (or should be) different rules for Christians and Muslims.

You then claimed I was changing the subject, and said you weren’t playing.

So, are all Christians guilty of the crimes of a few, as Marine Le Pen would have you believe of Muslims? If you regard this as “playing,” yeah I guess we are done, because you are being intellectually dishonest.

Yes, you went off on a tangent because you are unable to discuss the topic at hand.
LePen is not being charged for any of the things you say. She is being charged for posting the photos, period. Anyone, with any intent, would have been charged. That’s bullshit. And that bullshit is all the more dangerous in this case since it will likely make her look like a victim and thus make her more popular.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:37:06am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

Kitty cat

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This breaks my heart. Not just for the tigers but for the big cats and other endangered species here in the US. Saw a story the other day about a jaguar in South Texas, demonstrating strides in bringing back the species due to protection efforts that are now going to shit thanks to 45 and cronies.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:38:13am

re: #215 Single-handed sailor

Their peanut butter cookies are good for dipping in red wine. ;-D

Um… first thought, eeew. Really?

Damn, now I have to try it.

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:41:45am

re: #216 Nyet

Yes, you went off on a tangent because you are unable to discuss the topic at hand.
LePen is not being charged for any of the things you say. She is being charged for posting the photos, period. Anyone, with any intent, would have been charged. That’s bullshit. And that bullshit is all the more dangerous in this case since it will likely make her look like a victim and thus make her more popular.

I directly quoted from the article you linked. She had her parliamentary immunity stripped for posting the photos, because EU law regarding speech is different than USA law regarding speech.

I don’t really have an opinion on the EU’s laws concerning what constitutes protected speech or no. However, there is no doubt that what Marine Le Pen is engaging in is agitprop, designed to inflame and slander a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

The question is really simple, yet you seem to be unwilling to answer it: Should Christians be held to the same standards as Muslims? If O’Reilly were a television presenter in the EU, he would already be in jail.

In both the EU and the USA, incitement to violence is considered a criminal act. The EUs speech laws seem to hold a tougher standard up for what constitutes incitement.

(We’ll skip the part where Marine Le Pen is also being investigated for defrauding the EU Parliament.)

By the way (unrelated to this), I saw a link on your profile to your blog regarding Holocaust denialism. Although in this short time I have only skimmed it, the research you’ve put into the subject is fascinating - I have bookmarked it for further reading.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:45:59am

re: #217 allegro

This breaks my heart. Not just for the tigers but for the big cats and other endangered species here in the US. Saw a story the other day about a jaguar in South Texas, demonstrating strides in bringing back the species due to protection efforts that are now going to shit thanks to 45 and cronies.

Tigers seems to be doing better than the other big cats. Mountain lions in the USA would be well advised to move north to Canada or south to Mexico, because this administration will probably declare open season on them for the lulz.

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:49:23am

re: #220 wheat-dogg

Tigers seems to be doing better than the other big cats. Mountain lions in the USA would be well advised to move north to Canada or south to Mexico, because this administration will probably declare open season on them for the lulz.

Mountain lion hunting is now legal in my state. (Though the number of tags are restricted.)

So if climate change doesn’t get ‘em, hunters will.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:50:13am

re: #219 Anymouse

However, there is no doubt that what Marine Le Pen is engaging in is agitprop, designed to inflame and slander a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

That doesn’t matter for one simple reason: she is not being charged for racial or religious incitement. So the discussion of such is irrelevant for this thread.

The question is really simple, yet you seem to be unwilling to answer it: Should Christians be held to the same standards as Muslims?

I don’t know by what leaps and bounds of illogic you have reached a point where you have to ask this question in this thread, where the topic of Christians and the standards applied to them and others is completely irrelevant and unconnected to the topic at hand. I don’t know if you are being delusional or intentionally dishonest, but in any case: not playing.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:52:18am

Some deportees arrive in Mexico but are not able to speak Spanish.

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:55:41am

re: #222 Nyet

That doesn’t matter for one simple reason: she is not being charged for racial or religious incitement. So the discussion of such is irrelevant for this thread.

That is correct, and I acknowledged she is being investigated over her tweets of IS murderers. The point of her tweets is incitement.

I don’t know by what leaps and bounds of illogic you have reached a point where you have to ask this question in this thread, where the topic of Christians and the standards applied is completely irrelevant and unconnected to the topic at hand. I don’t know if you are being delusional or intentionally dishonest, but in any case: not playing.

Fine, since you won’t answer the question, I must presume an answer to it. You went to an awful lot of trouble to avoid “yes” or “no.” So I’m guessing you do believe there are different standards.

All Muslims should be judged by the actions of a few criminals, but no Christians should be judged by the actions of a few criminals.

There was no “bounds of illogic,” I was asking you to compare the treatment of two different groups.

Yes the two should be treated the same, or no they shouldn’t, is a pretty simple question to answer.

So, I guess we’ll have to wrap this up then.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:57:25am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:00:10am

re: #224 Anymouse

That is correct, and I acknowledged she is being investigated over her tweets of IS murderers. The point of her tweets is incitement.

Fine, since you won’t answer the question, I must presume an answer to it. You went to an awful lot of trouble to avoid “yes” or “no.” So I’m guessing you do believe there are different standards.

All Muslims should be judged by the actions of a few criminals, but no Christians should be judged by the actions of a few criminals.

There was no “bounds of illogic,” I was asking you to compare the treatment of two different groups.

Yes the two should be treated the same, or no they shouldn’t, is a pretty simple question to answer.

So, I guess we’ll have to wrap this up then.

The treatment of the different groups was never an issue in this thread, you have brought it up on your own initiative and got pissed off because I wouldn’t get distracted from the topic at hand (which had nothing to do with the issues you have brought up on your own initiative).

Oh, and thanks for the mind-reading session. From it one must conclude that you are probably simply deeply dishonest rather than delusional. Good to know.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:06:03am

re: #220 wheat-dogg

Tigers seems to be doing better than the other big cats. Mountain lions in the USA would be well advised to move north to Canada or south to Mexico, because this administration will probably declare open season on them for the lulz.

All predators have been open season since wildlife damage control was moved from Fish and Wildlife Service to Ag during Reagan/Watts (and why I left FWS as a predator specialist). It went from environmental control and individual animal targeting to wholesale slaughter which is destructive as shit and results in increased damage to crops. It’s ranchers (and hunting leases in Tx) vs farmers and both lose ultimately. It’s one reason there is a feral hog problem now (the biggest reason is the release of the hogs in the first place to enhance hunting revenue).

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:06:11am
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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:10:45am

re: #226 Nyet

The treatment of the different groups was never an issue in this thread, you have brought it up on your own initiative and got pissed off because I wouldn’t get distracted from the topic at hand (which had nothing to do with the issues you have brought up on your own initiative).

Oh, and thanks for the mind-reading session. From it one must conclude that you are probably simply deeply dishonest rather than delusional. Good to know.

You could settle the question with “yes” or “no.”

You’re still spending an awful lot of pixels avoiding the question. I’m not mind-reading, I am making an assumption based on my own experiences.

And yes, the question is related. An unrelated question might be “Can you calculate pi to six decimal places.” A related question might be “Because Marine Le Pen is only interested in demonising all Muslims for the actions of a few criminals, do you believe that all Christians should be deomised in the same way.”

I’m out of this particular line of thought for the night; feel free to spend another hundred words telling me why I am being dishonest with my question rather than answering it with “yes” or “no.”

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:11:25am

re: #218 allegro

Um… first thought, eeew. Really?

Damn, now I have to try it.

REALLY!!!

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:11:29am

re: #229 Anymouse

You could settle the question with “yes” or “no.”

Are you a pedophile?

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:14:03am

re: #230 Single-handed sailor

REALLY!!!

I recommend a Cabernet or Zinfandel.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:16:19am

re: #230 Single-handed sailor

REALLY!!!

Oooohkay (adding GS peanut butter cookies and Merlot to my shopping list)

It better be good.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:17:22am

re: #233 allegro

Oooohkay (adding GS peanut butter cookies and Merlot Cabernet or Zinfandel to my shopping list)

It better be good.

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:22:41am
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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:22:58am

re: #231 Nyet

Are you a pedophile?

No.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:25:09am

re: #236 Anymouse

No.

It is a pity that the answer was anything but “I have now realized that it is sometimes beyond one’s dignity to answer certain questions posed in certain contexts”.

Suum cuique, I guess.

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I cannot.  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:27:34am

re: #235 Anymouse

Umm…yay for doomsday?

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:29:59am

I’m finding the distinct aroma of asshole to be unpleasant so I bid y’all a good night.

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:33:50am

re: #237 Nyet

It is a pity that the answer was anything but “I have now realized that it is sometimes beyond one’s dignity to answer certain questions posed in certain contexts”.

Suum cuique, I guess.

It’s a pity you are still avoiding answering a comparison between two religions.

My comparison between how Christians are treated by people like O’Reilly and Le Pen versus Muslims are directly related (they are both religions). Paedophilia was in fact not related to the topic at hand. Religion is, because Le Pen is trying to demonise a whole group of people with the actions of a few criminals.

Maybe it’s just because I have never been to college, so what seems like a valid comparison to me (two different religions treated differently by the same people) is in fact not a valid comparison.

So, treat me like I am uneducated. Please explain why a) I read about a person (Le Pen) demonising a whole group, b) She does not demonise another group using the same rules, c) I ask you if this is fair, d) You accuse me of changing the subject or asking unrelated questions, then e) ask me if I am a paedophile and say you are disappointed in my answer “no.”

I am having trouble following. Perhaps you need to break it up into a single page with maps and charts and a few bullet points, like Trump, why Le Pen’s different treatment of different groups is fair.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:39:06am

re: #240 Anymouse

It’s a pity you are still avoiding answering a comparison between two religions.

Since that’s not the topic I was discussing in the first place?

So, treat me like I am uneducated. Please explain why a) I read about a person (Le Pen) demonising a whole group, b) She does not demonise another group using the same rules, c) I ask you if this is fair

The problem is with (c). Why would you ask me something like this in the first place and how is this different from me asking you “Are you sure you are not a pedophile?”

I am having trouble following.

Perhaps because you got lost in that labyrinthine thought forest of your own creation?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:47:16am

Jeez. Could you two give it a rest already? Or at the very least, make your comments private, so the rest of us don’t have to be part of this quarrel.

tyvm

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:52:09am

re: #241 Nyet

Since that’s not the topic I was discussing in the first place?

The problem is with (c). Why would you ask me something like this in the first place and how is this different from me asking you “Are you sure you are not a pedophile?”

Perhaps because you got lost in that labyrinthine thought forest of your own creation?

c) is not related to the subject. The treatment of two different religions is.

I have never asked what your religious faith is, though I have stated mine (I have none).

Multiple polls taken throughout the United States shows that atheists are consistently rated less trustworthy than rapists or paedophiles. So is it fair for me to posit from the list of Protestant faith leaders investigated or convicted of paedophilia at reformation.com and conclude all Christians in the USA are just like them? Or is it fairer to judge someone on their actions (like the Muslims I worked with when I was in the Navy)?

The majority of people in the USA identify themselves as Christians. So using Le Pen’s rationale (IS criminals are representative of all Muslims), I guess the majority of Christians favour paedophilia and rape over non-belief in a god. I don’t believe that, and I am pretty sure you don’t.

You’re right: It is a labyrinth. I don’t put stock in any religious faith. I certainly don’t get Le Pen’s demonisation of a billion people over a couple thousand criminals. I don’t get why she considers Christians some paragon of virtue with the criminals that might be found amongst them whilst every Muslim is an IS fighter-in-waiting.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:55:15am

Sigh.

I’ll come back later.

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Anymouse  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:56:16am

re: #244 wheat-dogg

Sigh.

I’ll come back later.

Me too. I need to go to bed. Past my medication time for me, which means sleepy time for me. G’night y’all.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 1:57:33am

re: #243 Anymouse

“c) is not related to the subject. “

Good that you acknowledge this. This should answer your question about me not answering: an insulting question asked out of the blue (unrelated to the topic at hand) is not going to get paid any respect from me in the form of a straight answer. “Fuck you” would have been a proper response, but I decided against it.

“The treatment of two different religions is.”

No, it’s not. You have brought it up, not I. You can’t force someone to discuss topics you would like them to discuss.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 2:08:30am
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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 2:15:09am

re: #235 Anymouse

I see The Economist is coming around to my view of the world…

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 2:16:19am

Ever since the election, I’ve distilled down my theme to:

… until something breaks.

We only change when we absolutely have to.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 2:18:43am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 2:21:18am

re: #249 freetoken

Ever since the election, I’ve distilled down my theme to:

… until something breaks.

We only change when we absolutely have to.

Sad but true; the unwritten pages of human history - the ones where war and conflict are absent or merely background noise - can be distilled down to the “this is fine” dog.

When things break, though, well……that’s when all hell breaks loose.

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Ming5000  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:09:11am

Well, that ended awkwardly.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:16:15am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:22:29am

This Suspiria remake looks intriguing.

For me the best part of the original movie was when the woman was walking along the ornate corridor to the witch’s room.

Oh, and the music.

Suspiria - Suspiria, Goblin

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:29:35am

re: #255 Nyet

This Suspiria remake looks intriguing.

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For me the best part of the original movie was when the woman was walking along the ornate corridor to the witch’s room.

Oh, and the music.

[Embedded content]

When I was in college, I pined for Jessica Harper. She was in dePalma’s Phantom of the Paradise, too. And many years later, Minority Report (the movie), among others.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:38:30am

re: #255 Nyet

And here is what for me is the best scene in the sequel, Inferno.

Dario Argento’s Inferno (1980)- underwater scene

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:49:33am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:51:51am

More he’s got his wires crossed.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:54:21am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 3:57:42am

I’m all for nostalgic reboots but the ducklings look terrible.

DuckTales First Look | DuckTales | Disney XD

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:01:58am

Mark Levin apparently was squawking on his radio show about Obama wiretapping Trump, then it got picked up by Breitbart, and then all the RWNJ sites. So, probably Trump, who we should remember has access to all national intelligence and law enfrocement info, first gets wind of these allegations from Breitbart (or whatever), and immediately starts tweetstorming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:04:00am

re: #259 wheat-dogg

More he’s got his wires crossed.

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What are these claims about? More about painting himself and his surrogates as victims of a political witch hunt?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:07:31am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What are these claims about? More about painting himself and his surrogates as victims of a political witch hunt?

A new conspiracy theory to augment the existing one of Obama’s shadow government. RWNJs alleged yesterday that Obama had directed the NSA to wiretap Trump Tower. So, now Trump is going haywire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:09:13am

re: #264 wheat-dogg

A new conspiracy theory to augment the existing one of Obama’s shadow government. RWNJs alleged yesterday that Obama had directed the NSA to wiretap Trump Tower. So, now Trump is going haywire.

Oh my god…the coverup!!!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:13:45am

Still having spelling issues, or maybe he’s so angry he can’t type straight.

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William Lewis  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:16:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:20:32am

re: #266 wheat-dogg

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process

So now “Obama tapped Trump’s phones” is going to be another article of RW doctrine and be brought up to silence any discussion of his wrongdoings.

Brilliant tactical move. He may be clueless on government, but he knows how to manipulate the media and distract the discussion.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:22:40am

Trump’s up early and alleging that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.

Those are serious allegations that can only be addressed by a full investigation and independent prosecutors, starting with whatever evidence the FBI, NSA, CIA, and other law enforcement agencies used to obtain the wiretapping in the first place.

You know, the Russia dossier that shows how compromised all Trump’s inner circle is by their ties to Russia. We need to see all the work by Trump and his people.

Washington Post with the inane tweet headline - that denies reality that everyone’s known for months. It’s widely known that Trump and his inner circle have had odd ties to Russia. Stone. Manafort. Page. Trump himself. Ivanka (who pals around with Putin’s squeeze). All of them. The headline makes it seem that all this is out of thin air.

No, what we’re seeing is that all those connections are now under serious scrutiny because of Sessions perjury, Flynn being fired/resigning over undisclosed Russia ties, etc.

Everyone is suspect in Trump’s admin because they’re so secretive over those connections. What are they hiding? Why did Page act to make the GOP platform favorable to Russia’s interests and not to Ukraine’s?

So, what does Trump do? He claims Obama was spying on him. Okay, say he was? Demand the investigation that exposes Trump for the compromised candidate whose surrounded himself with compromised people that everyone suspects? That the Russia dossier is true and confirmed? That there were countless secret meetings between Russians and Trump people that pushed and got favorable Trump treatment giving Russia control over US foreign policy?

Seriously, does Trump really want to go here? Yes. Yes it seems that he does.

The same way that he posted that Schumer photo yesterday demanding investigations of Schumer (whose pwnage of Trump is epic). He’s easily goaded into doing stuff against his own interest. Trump demands investigation. Schumer says absolutely. Let’s talk under oath. Let’s get Trump talking under oath about his contacts and those of his underlings. All of them.

Because that will not end well for Trump.

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Alyosha  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:25:40am

Black Mirror’s ‘Hated in the Nation’ is incredible.
Great casting and acting. But most important to a BM episode are those novel themes and where they lead. In this case we are talking freedom of expression against self-preservation and self-preservation (where the powerful are involved) against a world in which food security has been compromised; all the while some fell dagger alloyed of the phenomenon of tech and social media hovers above all…

Sorry… it’s just really good.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:29:23am

re: #269 lawhawk

As a master strategist, Trump is seriously lacking. Regardless of the truth of the wiretaps, accusing the previous administration of approving them brings up the logical question of an inquiry for election tampering. It’s like someone murdering someone, burying him in the backyard, and then demanding an investigation when the neighbors complain of a bad smell.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:29:49am
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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:33:09am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:39:13am

In a sick way, I’m finding these developments and Trump’s reactions to them strangely entertaining. He’s making life very easy for future historians who want plumb the depths of the Trump pysche. No other president AFAIK has chronicled his fall from power in such a public way.

As someone else here said, it’s like slowing down to check out the horrific car crash on the highway.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:43:03am

re: #270 Alyosha

No BM episode is bad for me, but I felt like this one felt sort of like X-Files.

PS: For me the best eps were “Fifteen Million Merits”, “White Christmas”, “Nosedive”, “San Junipero”.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:44:12am

re: #274 wheat-dogg

It’s like Suetonius Live.

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I cannot.  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:45:26am

re: #274 wheat-dogg

No other PERSON has documented their own downfall like this in human history.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:46:51am

re: #277 I cannot.

No other PERSON has documented their own downfall like this in human history.

It would have been a great premise for a novel. Too bad it’s been stolen.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:50:41am

re: #276 Nyet

It’s like Suetonius Live.

Good name for a SNL skit… or a twitter account…

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I cannot.  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:51:35am

re: #278 wheat-dogg

My only question, is that in future generations, will anyone even believe this was possible? (assuming of course, we make it through this mess)

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:52:48am
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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:53:25am

re: #276 Nyet

I’ve been saying for a while we’d likely see the Year of the Four Presidents (riffing on Suetonius’ chapter on the Year of the Four Emperors).

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:53:36am

re: #280 I cannot.

My only question, is that in future generations, will anyone even believe this was possible? (assuming of course, we make it through this mess)

They’ll wonder why such a madman was allowed to stay in office this long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:54:08am

re: #280 I cannot.

My only question, is that in future generations, will anyone even believe this was possible? (assuming of course, we make it through this mess)

That latter disclaimer is what worries me. will be able to turn things around before the damage is irreversible? Remember, if Trump gets backed into a corner, he always has the “nuclear option” to get him out of it…

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:54:13am

#ThingsWeShouldInvestigate is trending. Go figure.

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Alyosha  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:54:40am

re: #275 Nyet

No BM episode is bad for me, but I felt like this one felt sort of like X-Files.

PS: For me the best eps were “Fifteen Million Merits”, “White Christmas”, “Nosedive”, “San Junipero”.

Just saw ‘White Christmas’. Excellent.

I think the thing I liked about ‘Hated’ was the change-up in narrative.
Police procedural with nice onion layers. Even had the whiny guitar riffs.

But ‘Nosedive’ was incredible. An excellent psychodrama where, even if one cannot ultimately identify with the leading character, one comes to understand her.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:56:50am

re: #282 lawhawk

I’ve been saying for a while we’d likely see the Year of the Four Presidents (riffing on Suetonius’ chapter on the Year of the Four Emperors).

Wasn’t there a period in history when Europe had something like four popes in quick succession.

More recently, there was this famous headline:

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 4:58:28am

re: #281 Nyet

I don’t know what he means by “red pixels”, but the tweet has embedded an RGB image with non-zero R values.

In digital capture of real life objects, almost nothing will come up as pure (R,0,0).

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:00:02am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:00:49am

re: #288 freetoken

I don’t know what he means by “red pixels”, but the tweet has embedded an RGB image with non-zero R values.

In digital capture of real life objects, almost nothing will come up as pure (R,0,0).

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:02:34am

re: #286 Alyosha

Plus the pastel colors were just beautiful.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:04:48am

God you can’t even go to sleep without Trump doing something like this.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:06:52am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

God you can’t even go to sleep without Trump doing something like this.

I’ve gotten into the habit of checking his TL around 6 am EST. That’s when he seems to be awake and reacting to the news he reads or watches.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:09:44am

re: #290 Nyet

Yes, all the pixels have G and B values that are high, but if you look at the histogram of the RGB values, the R values do overlap the G, and B values:

What the strawberries end up being are composed of pixels that are mostly a faded purplish tint. We interpret that as “red” strawberries.

This phenomenon was found early on in projection of photographic images, when people were trying to come up with color imaging. It turns out that with just two colors, not three, one can create very convincing images, because our eye-brain system will do a lot to convince us about what we’re seeing.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:12:08am

I noticed the Breitbart - Trump wiretap connection right away, now I see others have caught up to me.

Peter Daou, too.

Soros better not stiff me this time!

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Alyosha  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:12:10am

re: #291 Nyet

Plus the pastel colors were just beautiful.

Yes! Made it seem contrived right up until the truckstop.
Then you get to see colours as classist.

Unrelated but funny, the colour red is coming up in the thread.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:16:56am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:24:51am

And now he swings to diss Arnold

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Myron Falwell  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:24:57am
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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:33:58am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

He’s more of a dick than Nixon could ever be.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:36:05am

re: #300 freetoken

He’s far less disciplined than Nixon ever was. Nixon was a professional insider. VP. Senator. And knew how politics and government operated.

Trump is none of those things.

The only thing Trump shares with Nixon besides party affiliation is the absolute disregard for the law and intent to break laws at every opportunity.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:37:17am

re: #301 lawhawk

He’s far less disciplined than Nixon ever was. Nixon was a professional insider. VP. Senator. And knew how politics and government operated.

Trump is none of those things.

The only thing Trump shares with Nixon besides party affiliation is the absolute disregard for the law and intent to break laws at every opportunity.

The paranoia too.

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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:37:51am

Imgur
Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:40:06am

Trump has all of Nixon’s paranoia, but little of his intelligence and none of his self-control. Nixon’s tapes contain what he said in the privacy of the Oval Office. If Twitter had been around in the ’70s, I seriously doubt Nixon would be tweeting his thoughts for everyone to see.

Trump’s tweets are inevitably self-incriminating.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:40:30am

Trump’s ego is just doing him in. The diehard Trumpers will not leave him, but to anyone else, a tweet like that one about Arnold just comes off as really dickish.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:43:09am

My Rep.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:43:51am

re: #305 freetoken

Trump’s ego is just doing him in. The diehard Trumpers will not leave him, but to anyone else, a tweet like that one about Arnold just comes off as really dickish.

I can’t wait for Arnold’s response.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:48:01am

re: #305 freetoken

Trump’s ego is just doing him in. The diehard Trumpers will not leave him, but to anyone else, a tweet like that one about Arnold just comes off as really dickish.

Trump is not universally loved, and it’s eating this narcissist alive from the inside out.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:50:07am

re: #307 wheat-dogg

I can’t wait for Arnold’s response.

Supposedly, Trump remained as one of the executive producers even after he formally left the hosting job to run for President. A clear conflict of interest for Comcast/NBC, but you didn’t see Chuck Todd worrying too much about that…

The ratings have been diving for the show, and yesterday Arnold stated he was leaving. Trump made a lot of money on the show, and indeed his followers seem to think that Trump made most of his money from real estate, but the truth is Trump has made his money from his TV appearances and the selling of his brand. With Celebrity Apprentice now tanked, the Trump brand takes a bit of tarnish (if Burnett ever wanted Trump to continue on as his associate in the future.)

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:50:38am

re: #306 wheat-dogg

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:51:31am

re: #295 wheat-dogg

I noticed the Breitbart - Trump wiretap connection right away, now I see others have caught up to me.

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Soros better not stiff me this time!

I’ll never not see the Human Centipede of Trumpian Information Conveyance that Mr Johnson posted yesterday when these things come up.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:52:27am

re: #309 freetoken

Supposedly, Trump remained as one of the executive producers even after he formally left the hosting job to run for President. A clear conflict of interest for Comcast/NBC, but you didn’t see Chuck Todd worrying too much about that…

The ratings have been diving for the show, and yesterday Arnold stated he was leaving. Trump made a lot of money on the show, and indeed his followers seem to think that Trump made most of his money from real estate, but the truth is Trump has made his money from his TV appearances and the selling of his brand. With Celebrity Apprentice now tanked, the Trump brand takes a bit of tarnish (if Burnett ever wanted Trump to continue on as his associate in the future.)

Arnold said viewers and advertisers were avoiding the show because of Trump being EP.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:53:11am

re: #303 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Ok, look. The thing about that picture is…. Never mind.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:53:17am

re: #312 wheat-dogg

Arnold said viewers and advertisers were avoiding the show because of Trump being EP.

Of course Trump will deny that. Trump’s attack on Arnold is an attempt to divert people away from that claim.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:55:35am

re: #311 Barefoot Grin

I’ll never not see the Human Centipede of Trumpian Information Conveyance that Mr Johnson posted yesterday when these things come up.

Someone else on Twitter may have seen the connection about 10 minutes before I did. It hasn’t taken long for the Breitbart —> Trump connection to spread, in any event.

Reports of the taps were in the NYT about six weeks ago, so it’s not exactly headline news.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2017 • 5:58:28am

Headlines intended to scare:

Scientists confirm worst fears about pee in pools

Headlines like that ought to come with scary organ music.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:01:49am

re: #293 wheat-dogg

I’ve gotten into the habit of checking his TL around 6 am EST. That’s when he seems to be awake and reacting to the news he reads or watches.

Yeah, for me it’s noon here in Europe.

Presumably, he’s reacting to the overnight news and Tweetstorming while he’s taking a dump.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:02:46am

re: #316 freetoken

Headlines intended to scare:

Scientists confirm worst fears about pee in pools

Headlines like that ought to come with scary organ music.

Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (Best Version Ever)

You’re welcome.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:08:43am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

Organist unknown? Sounds like the E. Power Biggs version I had on vinyl

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:14:44am

re: #316 freetoken

Ew.

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Botsplainer  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:18:28am

re: #306 wheat-dogg

John is a national treasure. I grew up between the South End and the Highlands, and work on Main Street. Unfortunately, I now live in Oldham County and am stuck with the loathesome cherry-cheeked Thomas Massie (R-Koch Bros).

We are going to sell and move back in to town at some point (NULU, Butchertown, Germantown look like our most likely spots), but I don’t know if that happens before or after the 2020 General Assembly splits us up into three districts running from the Tennessee line to the Ohio River….

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:19:21am

Of course, he read it on Twitter or at Breitbart. But if he found out by way of Sessions or Comey, that risks interfering in an ongoing federal investigation (you know, the way GOPers love to claim that Bill did with Lynch on that plane way back when).

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:22:49am

re: #321 Botsplainer

John is a national treasure. I grew up between the South End and the Highlands, and work on Main Street. Unfortunately, I now live in Oldham County and am stuck with the loathesome cherry-cheeked Thomas Massie (R-Koch Bros).

We are going to sell and move back in to town at some point (NULU, Butchertown, Germantown look like our most likely spots), but I don’t know if that happens before or after the 2020 General Assembly splits us up into three districts running from the Tennessee line to the Ohio River….

Howdy, neighbor. Though I haven’t lived in Louisville since 2007, my domestic address and driver’s license are still in Jefferson County.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:23:52am

re: #320 Nyet

That is one reason why public pools are heavily chlorinated.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:25:05am

re: #322 lawhawk

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Of course, he read it on Twitter or at Breitbart. But if he found out by way of Sessions or Comey, that risks interfering in an ongoing federal investigation (you know, the way GOPers love to claim that Bill did with Lynch on that plane way back when).

I’m pretty sure the Twitterverse has established Trump saw it on Breitbart or some other RW site this morning, probably in his email feed. I haven’t checked Fox Nooz to see if they covered the Breitbart story this morning.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:25:49am

re: #306 wheat-dogg

My Rep.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:26:15am

re: #324 PhillyPretzel

Or why I won’t go near them.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:35:52am

Sure we can have an independent investigation on “Obama’s wiretapping”. Never know what we’ll find.

**wink, wink**

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:36:14am
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:36:57am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:39:01am

re: #330 Ace Rothstein

I saw that tweet earlier, and I had no idea what she means. Does Mel believe in faith healing?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:40:35am

re: #331 wheat-dogg

“I am a passionate believer in integrating and interpreting nature’s elements into our daily lives to create a warm, nurturing and positive environment,” said Melania Trump, according to a statement released by the hospital. “I believe that these same natural benefits can be instrumental to enhancing the health and well-being of all children.”

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:40:57am

God help us all.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:41:44am

re: #331 wheat-dogg

I saw that tweet earlier, and I had no idea what she means. Does Mel believe in faith healing?

She probably means homeopathy.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:43:15am

re: #332 Ace Rothstein

“I am a passionate believer in integrating and interpreting nature’s elements into our daily lives to create a warm, nurturing and positive environment,” said Melania Trump, according to a statement released by the hospital. “I believe that these same natural benefits can be instrumental to enhancing the health and well-being of all children.”

Oh, alt-faith healing — woo woo medicine.

So, I presume little Barron has never had his shots or ever gone to the doctor. //

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:43:34am

re: #334 Dr Lizardo

I rather have Grandma’s homemade chicken soup. It tastes better.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:44:44am

re: #333 MsJ

God help us all.

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Maybe she can bcc those to my Chinese email account. I’ll suggest it.
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steve_davis  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:53:03am

re: #112 RinaX

One point, Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t executed, he was beaten to death in prison.

it’s not that simple. most atheists actually have kind of cartoonish ideas about what religious people, as a whole, believe. The Catholic church for instance got its fingers burned so badly with its stubborn insistence on an Aristotelian universe that it’s ended up being extremely open to modern science. As long as evolution doesn’t interfere with the belief that human beings are spiritual creatures with a unique connection to God, they’e fine with it. The cartoonish elements of Christianity are mostly those held by various unorthodox, evangelical clans, who can’t grasp simple shit, like how it is that Cain was sent off to marry someone who was never otherwise mentioned in the Bible. “Daddy,” you may ask, “if the Bible is literal, and if the only people in the world at the time were Adam, Eve, and their kids, who the fuck did Cain go off to marry?” And if you are an evangelical of some sort or another, or a fundamentalist, there’s no good answer to that. If, though, your Dad were MY Dad, a retired Anglican priest, he’d chuckle and tell you how no thougtful Anglican/Episcopalian/Catholic/Methodist has been a literalist in the past 200 years or so, and that fundamentalists are mostly useful idiots who are committing all kinds of heresy while being blithely unaware of it.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:55:45am

re: #338 steve_davis

it’s not that simple. most atheists actually have kind of cartoonish ideas about what religious people, as a whole, believe. The Catholic church for instance got its fingers burned so badly with its stubborn insistence on an Aristotelian universe that it’s ended up being extremely open to modern science. As long as evolution doesn’t interfere with the belief that human beings are spiritual creatures with a unique connection to God, they’e fine with it. The cartoonish elements of Christianity are mostly those held by various unorthodox, evangelical clans, who can’t grasp simple shit, like how it is that Cain was sent off to marry someone who was never otherwise mentioned in the Bible. “Daddy,” you may ask, “if the Bible is literal, and if the only people in the world at the time were Adam, Eve, and their kids, who the fuck did Cain go off to marry?” And if you are an evangelical of some sort or another, or a fundamentalist, there’s no good answer to that. If, though, your Dad were MY Dad, a retired Anglican priest, he’d chuckle and tell you how no thougtful Anglican/Episcopalian/Catholic/Methodist has been a literalist in the past 200 years or so, and that fundamentalists are mostly useful idiots who are committing all kinds of heresy while being blithely unaware of it.

Well, obviously, someone pulled off a Creation in the next county.

I believe that was the more or less the line from Inherit the Wind.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 6:59:56am

re: #338 steve_davis

most atheists actually have kind of cartoonish ideas about what religious people, as a whole, believe.

Yes, holding cartoonish ideas is bad. Glad you don’t hold any about atheists.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:03:47am

re: #310 lawhawk

And they were in public, with everyone knowing about them.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:03:56am

re: #338 steve_davis

who can’t grasp simple shit, like how it is that Cain was sent off to marry someone who was never otherwise mentioned in the Bible. “Daddy,” you may ask, “if the Bible is literal, and if the only people in the world at the time were Adam, Eve, and their kids, who the fuck did Cain go off to marry?” And if you are an evangelical of some sort or another, or a fundamentalist, there’s no good answer to that.

How is “sister” not a good answer?

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:04:44am

If true this is the best news I’ve read today.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:09:50am

re: #338 steve_davis

Atheists aren’t holding cartoonish ideas if some Christians are actually doing those things. You can’t dismiss the idea held by some that some Christians are idiots if a whole lot of Christians are being idiots.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:12:27am

re: #307 wheat-dogg

I can’t wait for Arnold’s response.

Arnold already hit him pretty hard with the statement about how people were avoiding the show because Trump was still involved.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:14:17am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

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wheat-dogg  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:15:08am

re: #346 Ace-o-aces

Only four days.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:19:08am
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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:20:41am
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:22:54am
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:23:51am

re: #349 Nyet

Sounds like a great candidate for the “Where the fuck is your chin?” picture.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:26:45am

re: #320 Nyet

Ew.

Suddenly glad I can drive to the beach for a swim. Oh wait… Cause of Mexican sewage spill fouling U.S. beaches under investigation. reuters.com

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Skandal  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:29:35am
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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:34:13am

Brutal piece at WaPo.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:40:16am

Ahoy, matey! Shitstorm off the starboard bow!

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:40:20am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:44:21am

re: #356 Nyet

Meh.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:48:01am

Be sure to read the thread-within-the-thread.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:48:06am

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance

Part of the reason those warrants go through at such a high rate is that the judge allows editing while it’s being presented.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:50:45am

re: #359 Belafon

Part of the reason those warrants go through at such a high rate is that the judge allows editing while it’s being presented.

FISA has far too checkered a reputation to do us any good. Info that comes out as a result, maybe. But FISA warrants are completely meaningless to the rest of us to assess guilt. FISA acts to get as close to warrant-less as can be had in favor of investigators. Not trustworthy on probable cause.

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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:51:09am

re: #276 Nyet

It’s like Suetonius Live.

When do we get to him naming his horse Incitatus a senator?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:53:00am

re: #359 Belafon

Marginal data like “FISA warrant” will be exploited by Trump humpers to distract from more solid information.

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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:53:51am

re: #331 wheat-dogg

I saw that tweet earlier, and I had no idea what she means. Does Mel believe in faith healing?

You’ve seen pictures of Trump’s doctor…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:54:39am

re: #332 Ace Rothstein

“I am a passionate believer in integrating and interpreting nature’s elements into our daily lives to create a warm, nurturing and positive environment,” said Melania Trump, according to a statement released by the hospital. “I believe that these same natural benefits can be instrumental to enhancing the health and well-being of all children.”

She says, while her hubby is busy dismantling the EPA and preparing to sell off public wilderness to the highest bidder

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BeachDem  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:56:53am

re: #266 wheat-dogg

Still having spelling issues, or maybe he’s so angry he can’t type straight.

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No class, no sense of propriety, no maturity, no functioning brain.

What. An. Asshole.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:57:05am

I was gifted a roll of Donald Trump toilet paper by a friend of mine on the island at our Thursday night Cards Against Humanity game. I’m not disposed towards scatological humor, but there was something oddly satisfying about putting it to use.

Speaking of Emperor Dump, I see from his morning constitutional Twitter rage that he’s still obsessed with tall black college men who listen to his conversation. He really should put up an OKCupid profile already.

As for the contents of the morning release, is he not aware of the ancient Chinese principle of the art of politics: “He Who Denied It, Supplied It”?

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:57:17am

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance

> But FISA only says no .03% of the time. How probable does it have to be? Barely if at all.

Maybe FISA is permissive, I wouldn’t know, but that statistic is not necessarily indicative of much to me. It could be low because FISA is a rubber stamp court or it may be low because it’s so strict that only the cases with the best evidence are offered to it.

In the first case though I would still expect stricter scrutiny from the judge considering the persons involved.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 7:58:42am

re: #361 mmmirele

When do we get to him naming his horse Incitatus a senator?

More likely he’ll make one of the senators his pet.

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weave  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:00:21am

Unbelievable — So first thing today I see that Trump is claiming Obama wiretapped him and then read there’s no evidence of it.

Now I *try* to be a reasonable person and not live in an echo chamber. So I think “OK, so he’d have access to intelligence reports and he’d really not be in a position to disclose how he knows. So maybe it’s true.”

Then I have my caffeine and start to think rationally.

* Wait, he doesn’t get intelligence briefings.
* If he did and he was sane, he’d just mutter “Muther fucker” but not broadcast it to the world in a tweet.

Then I come to LGF and see that he read it on Breitbart first, THEN tweeted it.

I really need to learn that this is the new normal and stop these attempts to apply rational thought to the guy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:02:50am

re: #369 weave

Then I come to LGF and see that he read it on Breitbart first, THEN tweeted it.

Breitbart has really hit the jackpot: just publish an unsubstantiated story, and it will be repeated by the President and become a fixed RW talking point and matter of doctrine, right along with death panels and birtherism.

There is now no amount of evidence that can be presented that will prevent these people from being convinced that anything that befalls Trump is the result of a sinister deep-state Obama-driven plot.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:04:14am

I actually think his anger stems from viewing the video of his hair taking flight.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:06:19am

re: #321 Botsplainer

John is a national treasure. I grew up between the South End and the Highlands, and work on Main Street. Unfortunately, I now live in Oldham County and am stuck with the loathesome cherry-cheeked Thomas Massie (R-Koch Bros).

We are going to sell and move back in to town at some point (NULU, Butchertown, Germantown look like our most likely spots), but I don’t know if that happens before or after the 2020 General Assembly splits us up into three districts running from the Tennessee line to the Ohio River….

Hey there. Greetings from Lexington.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:07:32am

re: #362 Unshaken Defiance

Marginal data like “FISA warrant” will be exploited by Trump humpers to distract from more solid information.

The FBI releasing evidence showing a check personally signed by Putin to Trump will be used by Trump humpers to distract from more solid information. Not sure they’re the bar we need to worry about.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:07:38am

re: #370 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Breitbart has really hit the jackpot: just publish an unsubstantiated story, and it will be repeated by the President and become a fixed RW talking point and matter of doctrine, right along with death panels and birtherism.

There is now no amount of evidence that can be presented that will prevent these people from being convinced that anything that befalls Trump is the result of a sinister deep-state Obama-driven plot.

Yes. I have already seen a couple of “it’s a non-story by anti-Trumpers” from friends of friends on FB.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:11:50am

re: #373 Belafon

Plus one other point gets lost here: if it happened, it was formally legal (until another court says otherwise).

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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:12:32am

Is that the inside of Spicer’s suit that’s red and white stripe? God, I thought Trump had fashion problems.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:13:59am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

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Is that the inside of Spicer’s suit that’s red and white stripe? God, I thought Trump had fashion problems.

I saw that photo & wondered about the guy (SS?) carrying a magazine with the yam’s photo on the cover.

*must pack things to make him calm down*

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:14:01am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

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Is that the inside of Spicer’s suit that’s red and white stripe? God, I thought Trump had fashion problems.

He looks like his portfolio includes positions with both Ministry of Silly Walks and Ministry of Silly Suits.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:14:33am
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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:16:07am

re: #377 Stanley Sea

I saw that photo & wondered about the guy (SS?) carrying a magazine with the yam’s photo on the cover.

*must pack things to make him calm down*

That’s Keith Schiller, Trump’s “private security director” I think.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:18:00am

re: #379 Timothy Watson

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I’m sure there’ll be a few exemptions here and there on those awesome Trump projects: “Because of lowering standards during Obama, we’re going to have to use Chinese components in our new warships. Oh, and we’re going to exempt a few illegals to help build them. This will keep prices down, plus, they won’t try to join any union.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:25:04am

re: #269 lawhawk

Trump’s up early and alleging that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.

Those are serious allegations that can only be addressed by a full investigation and independent prosecutors, starting with whatever evidence the FBI, NSA, CIA, and other law enforcement agencies used to obtain the wiretapping in the first place.

You know, the Russia dossier that shows how compromised all Trump’s inner circle is by their ties to Russia. We need to see all the work by Trump and his people.

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Washington Post with the inane tweet headline - that denies reality that everyone’s known for months. It’s widely known that Trump and his inner circle have had odd ties to Russia. Stone. Manafort. Page. Trump himself. Ivanka (who pals around with Putin’s squeeze). All of them. The headline makes it seem that all this is out of thin air.

No, what we’re seeing is that all those connections are now under serious scrutiny because of Sessions perjury, Flynn being fired/resigning over undisclosed Russia ties, etc.

Everyone is suspect in Trump’s admin because they’re so secretive over those connections. What are they hiding? Why did Page act to make the GOP platform favorable to Russia’s interests and not to Ukraine’s?

So, what does Trump do? He claims Obama was spying on him. Okay, say he was? Demand the investigation that exposes Trump for the compromised candidate whose surrounded himself with compromised people that everyone suspects? That the Russia dossier is true and confirmed? That there were countless secret meetings between Russians and Trump people that pushed and got favorable Trump treatment giving Russia control over US foreign policy?

Seriously, does Trump really want to go here? Yes. Yes it seems that he does.

The same way that he posted that Schumer photo yesterday demanding investigations of Schumer (whose pwnage of Trump is epic). He’s easily goaded into doing stuff against his own interest. Trump demands investigation. Schumer says absolutely. Let’s talk under oath. Let’s get Trump talking under oath about his contacts and those of his underlings. All of them.

Because that will not end well for Trump.

Getting closer to the time we need the guys in the white coats armed with the Presidential straight jacket to come and take Donny to his new rest home. They can build the padded room they are going to need in Trump Tower.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:26:08am

The other reason why many Trump supporters won’t care is that they liked Putin even before Trump became a candidate.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:26:25am

re: #373 Belafon

The FBI releasing evidence showing a check personally signed by Putin to Trump will be used by Trump humpers to distract from more solid information. Not sure they’re the bar we need to worry about.

That’s not a bar, it’s a ditch. A deep one.

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(alpuz)  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:30:35am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

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Is that the inside of Spicer’s suit that’s red and white stripe? God, I thought Trump had fashion problems.

Sweet close-up shot of the inside:

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451_Montag  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:30:40am

re: #366 Pawn of the Oppressor

I was gifted a roll of Donald Trump toilet paper by a friend of mine on the island at our Thursday night Cards Against Humanity game. I’m not disposed towards scatological humor, but there was something oddly satisfying about putting it to use.

Speaking of Emperor Dump, I see from his morning constitutional Twitter rage that he’s still obsessed with tall black college men who listen to his conversation. He really should put up an OKCupid profile already.

As for the contents of the morning release, is he not aware of the ancient Chinese principle of the art of politics: “He Who Denied It, Supplied It”?

Did you not mean an OKStupid account for the “President”?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:32:09am

2) Law Enforcement (FBI) requests wiretaps in the course of an investigation & applies to the FISA court which reviews and approves them.
3) A President could TRY to compel a wiretap absent that process, but a) it would be illegal, b) companies would refuse w/o warrant.
4) It is well known that an FBI investigation was going on into Trump campaign officials contacts with Russian gov’t.
5) Trump had decided to put his campaign headquarters in Trump Tower so that he could pay himself from campaign funds.
6) So Trump campaign officials, under investigation based on counterintelligence concerns were located in Trump Tower.
7) Pre-election reporting of Trump campaign officials contacts w/ & payments from Russian gov’t sources would go into a warrant request.
8) A judge would decide whether the evidence met the probable cause standard. But it didn’t have to be about Trump himself. B/c #5 above.
9) And Obama would know that Trump would find out about any such actions upon becoming Commander in Chief, so would insist on lawfulness.
10) But FISA warrants are secret, b/c you don’t want the target to know you are on to them.
11) So why would Trump tweet about a secret wiretap, considered classified?
Perhaps to warn people still using those phones.

12) In doing so, he is interfering in an ongoing criminal investigation which was occurring inside the organization that he runs.
13) Given all the attempts by other Republicans to distract from, down play, bury, or ignore evidence of Russian contact/interference…
14) Is retaining power more important to GOP than investigating a hostile power’s interference w/the system America uses to pick leaders?
15) The only way the GOP can show they truly put America first is by deeply and objectively investigating Russian interference.
16) Because, goddamn it, this is America. And Americans get to pick our leaders. Not some bear-wrestling autocrat in Moscow.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:32:16am

It’s not our of the team of possibility that Trump leaked the info to Breitbart so he could tweet it. Remember, there’s a deep lack of understanding of how things work. By releasing this information they’re admitting there was a warrant, in essence declassifying the information. It’s not a leak any longer and people could come forward with additional information.

Not saying this is the case but it’s not a crazy consideration.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:36:12am

re: #387 FormerDirtDart

I hate to say this and I don’t do so to take any of the stank off of Comey but if there was a warrant, this is likely why Comey couldn’t say anything about Trump before the election.

To bad he couldn’t have not broken the law about interfering with elections 10 days out concerning Clinton’s BS email and just STFU completely.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:36:39am

re: #305 freetoken

Trump’s ego is just doing him in. The diehard Trumpers will not leave him, but to anyone else, a tweet like that one about Arnold just comes off as really dickish.

And extremely immature.

He’s acting like a spoiled 10 year old again and again.

Nixon at least was mature.

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ericblair  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:37:16am

re: #367 Nyet

> But FISA only says no .03% of the time. How probable does it have to be? Barely if at all.

Maybe FISA is permissive, I wouldn’t know, but that statistic is not necessarily indicative of much to me. It could be low because FISA is a rubber stamp court or it may be low because it’s so strict that only the cases with the best evidence are offered to it.

My understanding is the latter. There are only a few people who prepare FISA warrant requests, they know exactly what flies and what doesn’t, so anything too weak to be accepted never gets put forward. There are a lot of processes in bureaucracies like this.

It doesn’t mean the process is a joke or the judge would approve a scribble on a napkin, it’s just that everybody knows the drill.

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nines09  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:38:00am

Tuesday seems like a decade ago. Trump made potty. Press went Ga Ga over that, and that he didn’t drool on himself. You knew the tweets were coming. His mental hamster was burning the wheel in his head. Stacking up…..going to……..I can’t………uhhhhh………splat. Very Presedental.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:41:06am

I need some education on Shabbat, basically how Orthodox Jews like Ivanka & Jared observe it. When they go to Mar a Lago, do they retire to their rooms at sunset & just hang out? Is dinner out of the question? What do they do all day Saturday until sunset? Thanks in advance.

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451_Montag  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:41:24am

Don’t know the law on this. But if it is not true couldn’t Obama sue him for libel for shits and giggles….Oh and truly epic discovery?

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:43:49am

re: #391 ericblair

My understanding is the latter. There are only a few people who prepare FISA warrant requests, they know exactly what flies and what doesn’t, so anything too weak to be accepted never gets put forward. There are a lot of processes in bureaucracies like this.

It doesn’t mean the process is a joke or the judge would approve a scribble on a napkin, it’s just that everybody knows the drill.

Yep. I mean, it’s got to have gotten streamlined throughout the years.

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:44:31am

So Trump says Obama had Trump Tower lines wire tapped.

That means that Obama, who has no authority to do so, ordered the FBI, under Comey, to do the wire taps. Not likely.

Now Obama actually sneaking in to Trump Tower and installing the Wire Tap o’ Matic, that’s more likely.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:45:00am

re: #332 Ace Rothstein

“I am a passionate believer in integrating and interpreting nature’s elements into our daily lives to create a warm, nurturing and positive environment,” said Melania Trump, according to a statement released by the hospital. “I believe that these same natural benefits can be instrumental to enhancing the health and well-being of all children.”

Does she realize Donny is doing just about everything he can to not create a warm, nurturing and positive environment?

And not just against children, he is fucking with nature which will effect everything and everyone.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:45:05am

re: #367 Nyet

I have read some material you may not be familiar with. I became a critic after this came to light.

Under today’s foreign intelligence surveillance system, the government’s ability to collect information about ordinary Americans’ lives has increased exponentially while judicial oversight has been reduced to near-nothingness. This report concludes that the role of today’s FISA Court no longer comports with constitutional requirements, including the strictures of Article III and the Fourth Amendment. The report lays out several steps Congress should take to help restore the FISA Court’s legitimacy.

brennancenter.org on Scribd

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:47:03am

re: #324 PhillyPretzel

That is one reason why public pools are heavily chlorinated.

They’re essentially communal bathwater that you drink.

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nines09  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:47:35am
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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:48:08am

re: #393 Stanley Sea

I need some education on Shabbat, basically how Orthodox Jews like Ivanka & Jared observe it. When they go to Mar a Lago, do they retire to their rooms at sunset & just hang out? Is dinner out of the question? What do they do all day Saturday until sunset? Thanks in advance.

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Basically, you just hang out. You can go out but not drive. You walk to shul. You eat normally, you talk with friends, neighbors, family. It’s pretty normal but you do nothing that is or could be remotely considered work.

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b.d.  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:49:11am

Good morning all.

I went to the gym early this AM and checked the news on the way out…….so it appears that the POTUS is dangerously insane.

Oh joy!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:49:44am

re: #391 ericblair

My understanding is the latter. There are only a few people who prepare FISA warrant requests, they know exactly what flies and what doesn’t, so anything too weak to be accepted never gets put forward. There are a lot of processes in bureaucracies like this.

It doesn’t mean the process is a joke or the judge would approve a scribble on a napkin, it’s just that everybody knows the drill.

Probable cause was reduced to a whisper. Which explains the 99+% warrant grant number. There is quite a bit of documentation out there on this. Not just Brennan, ACLU etc.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:52:47am

re: #401 MsJ

Basically, you just hang out. You can go out but not drive. You walk to shul. You eat normally, you talk with friends, neighbors, family. It’s pretty normal but you do nothing that is or could be remotely considered work.

Phones are OK? For some reason I thought no electronics.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:53:43am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

I’d be careful if I were you, Mr. Trump.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Remember, Sully, when I promised to kill you last? I lied.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:54:22am

re: #344 Belafon

Atheists aren’t holding cartoonish ideas if some Christians are actually doing those things. You can’t dismiss the idea held by some that some Christians are idiots if a whole lot of Christians are being idiots.

This. I know a lot of different Christians. I’ve had religious discussions with a number of them, and a lot of the loudest ones have cartoonish beliefs.

And then there are those whose beliefs are simplistic, but not cartoonish. What my brothers call ‘Sunday School Level Theology’.

And then there are some who study more deeply, and have a much more nuanced belief. Like my brothers.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:54:52am

re: #398 Unshaken Defiance

I have read some material you may not be familiar with.

It is absolutely possible. But the point remains: low dismissal rate is not evidence on its own.

Also, even if the court is permissive otherwise, I don’t believe they wouldn’t apply stricter scrutiny in this case.

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ipsos  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:55:31am

re: #404 Stanley Sea

Phones are OK? For some reason I thought no electronics.

“Talk” in person, not on the phone.

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451_Montag  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:56:40am

re: #403 Unshaken Defiance

Probable cause was reduced to a whisper. Which explains the 99+% warrant grant number. There is quite a bit of documentation out there on this. Not just Brennan, ACLU etc.

I’d normally agree with you but in this case I cannot imagine the amount of thought and preparation No Drama Obama would have put into such a request that could potentially bring down the next occupant of the WH. I also imagine the judges involved would have insisted on more than just the usual level of evidence for the same reason.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:58:55am

re: #407 Nyet

It is absolutely possible. But the point remains: low dismissal rate is not evidence on its own.

Also, even if the court is permissive otherwise, I don’t believe they wouldn’t apply stricter scrutiny in this case.

It’s one of those presumptive indicators. Reason to look closer, rather than any conclusion. Which for many when they do, well FISA has many critics in constitutional law and civil protection advocates.

Sadly, responding to Trump tweets always often risks participating in one of his distractions. FISA taps rather than Russian entanglements.

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 8:59:30am

re: #404 Stanley Sea

Phones are OK? For some reason I thought no electronics.

If you’re Orthodox, no. No phone, no Cell phone, no smartphone. (I had to ask my friend. When I was younger and more in the know, as it were, there were no cell phones.)

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:00:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:01:58am

re: #400 nines09

Donald “Bugs” Trump….Shadows draw nearer….

Jaws Drop As Malcolm Nance Tells AM Joy Trump Is Acting Like He Knows He’s Caught

There was no need for Trump to preemptively launch a discrediting attack by claiming that Obama wiretapped him unless he knows what’s coming out soon. Trump is trying to explain away what it is about to revealed before it becomes public.

The Obama wiretapped me excuse is a partisan political ploy that is intended to keep Republicans rallied around him no matter what information comes to light.

Donald Trump isn’t rambling to distract. He is trying to get out ahead of damaging information to save his presidency.

In other words, Trump knows he’s caught, and the Saturday morning tweets were his first attempt at damage control.

Sounds about right.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:02:03am

re: #404 Stanley Sea

Phones are OK? For some reason I thought no electronics.

I have been told that some buildings have the elevators stop at every floor, as pushing the button would be work to (presumably) the orthodox that live there.

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allegro  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:02:08am

re: #332 Ace Rothstein

“I am a passionate believer in integrating and interpreting nature’s elements into our daily lives to create a warm, nurturing and positive environment,” said Melania Trump, according to a statement released by the hospital. “I believe that these same natural benefits can be instrumental to enhancing the health and well-being of all children.”

It’s reflected in her home decor. All warm and nature and shit. O_o

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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:03:25am

re: #408 ipsos

“Talk” in person, not on the phone.

Would telling your father-in-law “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!?” in person be considered work or conversation?
/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:04:17am

re: #416 stpaulbear

Would telling your father-in-law “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!?” in person be considered work or conversation?
/

D’you suppose they maybe won’t find out till sundown?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:04:54am

re: #416 stpaulbear

Would telling your father-in-law “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!?” in person be considered work or conversation?
/

For Jared, since it’s his actual job. Ivanka? Maybe not.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:05:48am

re: #409 451_Montag

I’d normally agree with you but in this case I cannot imagine the amount of thought and preparation No Drama Obama would have put into such a request that could potentially bring down the next occupant of the WH. I also imagine the judges involved would have insisted on more than just the usual level of evidence for the same reason.

Well I don’t believe one scintilla of this accusation. If FISA issued a warrant and taps actually were used, it’s law enforcement not politics. I make no accusation of partisanship or an inclination to bow to Presidential requests at FISA. Zero.

Still thinking desperate distraction here. But I could certainly be wrong.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:06:16am

re: #368 Nyet

I thought that was already Christie’s job.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:07:10am

re: #420 Romantic Heretic

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:07:24am

re: #415 allegro

It’s reflected in her home decor. All warm and nature and shit. O_o

It’s not her home, remember.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:08:16am

re: #375 Nyet

Plus one other point gets lost here: if it happened, it was formally legal (until another court says otherwise).

Good point, I blew right past that earlier.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:09:55am

re: #396 BigPapa

So Trump says Obama had Trump Tower lines wire tapped.

That means that Obama, who has no authority to do so, ordered the FBI, under Comey, to do the wire taps. Not likely.

Now Obama actually sneaking in to Trump Tower and installing the Wire Tap o’ Matic, that’s more likely.

Yep. See a black guy in overalls, a tool belt and a red MAGA cap walking around Trump Tower?
Nobody would look twice….

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:10:05am

re: #396 BigPapa

So Trump says Obama had Trump Tower lines wire tapped.

That means that Obama, who has no authority to do so, ordered the FBI, under Comey, to do the wire taps. Not likely.

Now Obama actually sneaking in to Trump Tower and installing the Wire Tap o’ Matic, that’s more likely.

I thought of:

Does anyone know what Donny was watching last night?

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Skandal  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:10:33am

re: #404 Stanley Sea

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:14:44am

re: #421 Nyet

What movie was that from? Super icky creepazoid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:16:03am

re: #427 BigPapa

What movie was that from? Super icky creepazoid.

It’s like the dog version of the creepy rabbit costume from “Donnie Darko”.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:16:20am

I’m a tad under the weather today so maybe not 100%. But this is just effing EVIL.
Need new OMG
Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at Mexico border
reuters.com

Women and children crossing together illegally into the United States could be separated by U.S. authorities under a proposal being considered by the Department of Homeland Security, according to three government officials.

Part of the reason for the proposal is to deter mothers from migrating to the United States with their children, said the officials, who have been briefed on the proposal.

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the “least restrictive setting” until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:16:34am

re: #427 BigPapa

What movie was that from? Super icky creepazoid.

Stanley Kubrick’s production of “The Shining” (1980).

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:16:51am

re: #427 BigPapa

Shining.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:18:49am

re: #429 Unshaken Defiance

I’m a tad under the weather today so maybe not 100%. But this is just effing EVIL.
Need new OMG
Exclusive: Trump administration considering separating women, children at Mexico border
reuters.com

Part of the reason for the proposal is to deter mothers from migrating to the United States with their children, said the officials, who have been briefed on the proposal.

Their children are usually the REASONS mothers make the trip.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:20:41am

re: #429 Unshaken Defiance

P.S. GWS [Get Well Soon]

One of those Spring things?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:20:44am

re: #432 wrenchwench

Their children are usually the REASONS mothers make the trip.

Exactly. I used the Comment to Page feature on that one. IMHO this deserves more attention than his FISA tweet. What kills me that among the actual incidents recorded, ignoring scary rumors that abound… ICE is going to a place most of us would never countenance.

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:21:08am

I could not watch The Shining with my wife without those gloves trainers use to train attack dogs. She’d slice up my arm with her nails.

Hold my beer…

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:21:12am
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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:21:33am

re: #427 BigPapa

What movie was that from? Super icky creepazoid.

The Shining.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:22:15am

re: #437 makeitstop

The Shining.

I finally got around to watching that not long ago on Netflix.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:22:59am

re: #419 Unshaken Defiance

Many consider a good portion of the Dossier on 45 as confirmed. I believe the first request for FISA taps was revealed there. It says it was requested last summer and rejected. Further reports (not sure how reliable) state that the one which was approved right before the election in October was approved on a narrower scope. This is very much a part of the Russian entanglements story IMO.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:24:18am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:24:46am

re: #433 wrenchwench

Thanks much. Thursday and Friday I was worried about @TheManksy as she was obviously off energy and did not eat for 3 meals. Looks great today though. Whew. Weird to see her anything but overly energetic. Now I have her symptoms.

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:27:52am
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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:28:56am

re: #441 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks much. Thursday and Friday I was worried about @TheManksy as she was obviously off energy and did not eat for 3 meals. Looks great today though. Whew. Weird to see her anything but overly energetic. Now I have her symptoms.

Overdose of Cat Sympathy. I prescribe a cuppa Shibe:

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Stanley Sea  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:29:31am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:30:44am

re: #443 wrenchwench

Overdose of Cat Sympathy. I prescribe a cuppa Shiba:

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Perfect. That’s good medicine.

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451_Montag  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:32:13am

re: #442 BigPapa

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Seriously couldn’t some one just spend a few bucks on a laser pointer and entertain him that way?

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:33:15am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:33:23am

HT Gus

Is that a TEXAS plate?!

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:33:36am

Trump is preparing his own rope.

The intelligence folks don’t need to do too much other than watch and collect.

Trump and his foolish staff are all setting him up out of their own arrogance and ignorance.

There sure has to be some very interesting conversation going on in Republican back rooms. They have got to know this is all coming back to bite them too. The more they cover for Trump the more they make themselves look a part of it all, either involved or helping to cover it up.

And then there is the media. They have been battered by Trump and The Gang too. What better way to get back than to take him and the party down.

There may not be enough popcorn to cover the next few weeks.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:35:50am

re: #447 MsJ

Ahhh but then, as noted in that other tweet, a half hour later he goes back to regular crazy and rants about ratings. Probably like a comfort blanket for the toddler.

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:37:19am

re: #448 Unshaken Defiance

HT Gus

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Is that a TEXAS plate?!

Proxy-upding for Gus.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:37:39am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I finally got around to watching that not long ago on Netflix.

It was OK, I guess.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:38:22am

re: #448 Unshaken Defiance

HT Gus

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Is that a TEXAS plate?!

He’s not a truuuue Texan, he doesn’t have a domestic truck.

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while(1) worries++;  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:38:58am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

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Is that the inside of Spicer’s suit that’s red and white stripe? God, I thought Trump had fashion problems.

Does he moonlight as the Cat in the Hat? 0_o

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:41:44am
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:41:45am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

He’s not a truuuue Texan, he doesn’t have a domestic truck.

Sure he is. It’s a Toyota and they race in NASCAR. And they make them in ‘merica believe it or not in Texas…so all is good for a good Texan.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:41:57am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

He’s not a truuuue Texan, he doesn’t have a domestic truck.

Then neither am I. (Toyota)

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:42:20am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

This scoundrel has literally wrapped himself in our flag.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:43:08am

re: #454 while(1) worries++;

Oooh that would be cool if he can turn his jacket into a nice top hat!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:45:00am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

He’s not a truuuue Texan, he doesn’t have a domestic truck.

Maybe not a domestic brand but I thought those were built here. Not sure.

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Skandal  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:45:35am
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stpaulbear  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:47:07am

re: #457 Ace Rothstein

Then neither am I. (Toyota)

I owned a couple of Ford Rangers that were built in St. Paul. Now I drive a Toyota with a US body design assembled in California (a 2009 Pontiac Vibe 5-speed manual, which I like despite what anyone everyone says about it).

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:48:00am
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:50:20am

re: #463 wrenchwench

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Cool!

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #416 stpaulbear

Would telling your father-in-law “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!?” in person be considered work or conversation?
/

To save lives, it’s okay to break all the Sabbath rules.

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BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:01:51am

Trump’s tweet just admitted he’s under investigation.

In a daily WTF presidency, this is unpresidented.

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:03:33am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:06:38am
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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:09:05am

As you were…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:09:16am

re: #456 ObserverArt

Sure he is. It’s a Toyota and they race in NASCAR. And they make them in ‘merica believe it or not in Texas…so all is good for a good Texan.

You apparently haven’t been around a lot of NASCAR fans, most of the ones I know hate Toyota. :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:10:55am

re: #469 JordanRules

That reeks of a paid plant.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:12:55am

re: #468 FormerDirtDart

Unless it’s a criminal investigation. Only people assuming that “if there is a tap” it’s FISA

Goes back to my money laundering suspicions; that the Trump Organization is simply a conduit for Russian oligarch $$$. Maybe there is indeed an ongoing Federal criminal investigation against Trump himself or the organization.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:14:04am

re: #471 Eclectic Cyborg

Just part of the 94% of black women voters who knew what was what ;)

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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:15:27am

Lunch time

Imgur

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:17:29am

re: #474 jeffreyw

Nom!!!! Glad the hot sauce bottle got to photobomb the chilli.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:21:12am

re: #470 Timothy Watson

You apparently haven’t been around a lot of NASCAR fans, most of the ones I know hate Toyota. :)

I used to follow NASCAR, but not anymore. So, you are probably correct. You do live in NASCAR country.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:21:29am

re: #467 sagehen

And a reminder to us all: while getting Donald Trump out of the White House could only be an unalloyed benefit to the nation world universe as a whole, it doesn’t address the real - and vital - issue of the country’s governmental (Federal and State) policies, programs and actions being firmly in the hands of today’s Republican Party. Replacing Trump without discrediting Trumpism might turn out to be a hollow/Pyrrhic victory….

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:28:38am

re: #472 Dr Lizardo

Goes back to my money laundering suspicions; that the Trump Organization is simply a conduit for Russian oligarch $$$. Maybe there is indeed an ongoing Federal criminal investigation against Trump himself or the organization.

With friends like Felix Sater how could he be surprised that he may have gotten caught up in a RICO investigation.
Hell, New York State could be investigating him in connection to the Trump Foundation.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:31:44am

If I just heard Hugh Hewitt correctly on MSNBC, he’s saying that an order by the Obama administration to go after Trump by seeking a FISA warrant is dangerous and unprecedented (not that Trump’s people have done anything illegal)—something way beyond anything Nixon did. Did anyone catch that conversation? I could be wrong.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:32:34am

re: #477 Jay C

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And a reminder to us all: while getting Donald Trump out of the White House could only be an unalloyed benefit to the nation world universe as a whole, it doesn’t address the real - and vital - issue of the country’s governmental (Federal and State) policies, programs and actions being firmly in the hands of today’s Republican Party. Replacing Trump without discrediting Trumpism might turn out to be a hollow/Pyrrhic victory….

I still think it is all about the damage Trump getting dumped will cause the Republican party. Hopefully there is enough overall damage being done ot the GOP it will hurt them as early as the 2018 mid-terms.

I still see the voter base being angry and lashing out. That is what happened in 2010 to the Democrats and it is what brought us Trump. Those same “throw the bums out crowd” have new bums and they are almost all GOP.

Another benefit…maybe people will get the hell over that need to elect businessmen and other outsiders that aren’t trained and accomplished politicians. They may be realizing there are benefits for politicians in political jobs.

And one more benefit…this could hurt Fox News too. They have so latched onto Trump’s ass they hopefully take a hit if he is ousted.

Yeah, I have hopes there is still enough brain power out there to get people to think this through.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:33:56am

re: #479 Barefoot Grin

If I just heard Hugh Hewitt correctly on MSNBC, he’s saying that an order by the Obama administration to go after Trump by seeking a FISA warrant is dangerous and unprecedented (not that Trump’s people have done anything illegal)—something way beyond anything Nixon did. Did anyone catch that conversation? I could be wrong.

Sorry, I think he was making a distinction between the Pres. going after Trump and the FBI acting on its own. So, I think he was making a good point.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:34:13am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:35:04am

re: #479 Barefoot Grin

If I just heard Hugh Hewitt correctly on MSNBC, he’s saying that an order by the Obama administration to go after Trump by seeking a FISA warrant is dangerous and unprecedented (not that Trump’s people have done anything illegal)—something way beyond anything Nixon did. Did anyone catch that conversation? I could be wrong.

Hewitt’s obfuscating. We already knew that the Trump campaign was under investigation by the FBI as part of the Russian influence investigation. In January, it was reported that the FBI had gone to the FISA court in the summer for warrants to tap some Trump associates but were denied, and then asked again in October and warrants were issued.

Didn’t say for whom.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:36:51am
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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:36:52am
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:38:23am

re: #479 Barefoot Grin

If I just heard Hugh Hewitt correctly on MSNBC, he’s saying that an order by the Obama administration to go after Trump by seeking a FISA warrant is dangerous and unprecedented (not that Trump’s people have done anything illegal)—something way beyond anything Nixon did. Did anyone catch that conversation? I could be wrong.

Pardon me, but fuck Hewitt. He is such an ass kisser.

Protecting the country from outside influence on our systems is protecting the country. Hugh should be all over that as a good thing if he was a true conservative. But he is not. He’s a GOP lackey. And in this case so many of the GOP faithful are saying party over country.

As you, me and everyone knows, switch roles and if G W Bush thought Obama was doing this in 2008 and he called out the dogs on him old Hugh would be waving that flag and saying how strong a President Bush was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:38:31am

re: #482 jaunte

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Nance could be correct, but I think he’s overlooking the possibility that Trump is just stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:40:33am

#BREAKING #HappeningNow 25th CD constituents “listen to us all, we want a town hall” @ Steve Knight #carenotchaos #nosecretplan #knightout

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:41:07am

re: #485 wrenchwench

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I’m banned from using the fucking ‘f’ word at home. It’s like learning a new language. Been working on it for 20 fucking years, and I’m still not fluent. I should visit a land where they speak that way.

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:41:11am

re: #487 Blind Frog Belly White

He is stupid and the info isn’t new, but the reporting in Breitbart is suspect. It provides their conspiracy around it and you can’t help but see Bannon in the real shadows. Not the fake ones where Barrack is.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:41:41am
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jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:42:02am

re: #475 JordanRules

Nom!!!! Glad the hot sauce bottle got to photobomb the chilli.

I wanted to be sure no one would be thinking I drizzled blood into my soup! LOL

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EmmaAnne  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:42:41am

re: #485 wrenchwench

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Funny, but part of what makes affect/effect so tricky is that each can be a noun and each can be a verb.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:43:58am

re: #485 wrenchwench

Yes!

Also:

…s - fucking plural
…’s - shows fucking possession

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JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:44:17am
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EmmaAnne  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:45:30am

re: #494 Nyet

Yes!

Also:

…s - fucking plural
…’s - shows fucking possession

Except for its/it’s and the like. There’s always an exception in the English language.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:46:56am
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:47:15am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

He’s not a truuuue Texan, he doesn’t have a domestic truck.

The ranchers around the DFW area are as likely to drive Toyotas as any other truck.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:47:45am

re: #495 JordanRules

rarehistoricalphotos.com

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:48:17am

re: #498 Belafon

Mine has a sign on the back that reads Who Would Jesus Deport?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:49:19am

re: #460 Unshaken Defiance

Maybe not a domestic brand but I thought those were built here. Not sure.

Tundras are assembled in San Antonio.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:49:57am

re: #496 EmmaAnne

’s also abbreviates “has” and “is” (he’s been, it’s…).

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:51:22am

re: #494 Nyet

Yes!

Also:

…s - fucking plural
…’s - shows fucking possession

Depends.

’s - can be a contraction of is as in it’s. Which fucks up the possessive nature of its as in the company and its employees.

And then there is s’ which can also be a possessive as in Les’ room. But that can also be Les’s room too I think.

:) Grammar is tough.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:52:03am

re: #474 jeffreyw

Lunch time

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Yes, please.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:52:04am

Not so rubber stamp?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:52:06am

re: #493 EmmaAnne

Funny, but part of what makes affect/effect so tricky is that each can be a noun and each can be a verb.

The affect he affected affected his ability to effect the effect he wanted to achieve.

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Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:52:53am

re: #503 ObserverArt

Yes, yes. Everything is to be understood in context ;)

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wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:53:57am

re: #503 ObserverArt

:) Grammar is fucking tough.

FFTFY

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:54:50am

re: #491 FormerDirtDart

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Then you get the fevered tweets of twits like here:

twitter.com

510
Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:54:54am

re: #479 Barefoot Grin

If I just heard Hugh Hewitt correctly on MSNBC, he’s saying that an order by the Obama administration to go after Trump by seeking a FISA warrant is dangerous and unprecedented (not that Trump’s people have done anything illegal)—something way beyond anything Nixon did. Did anyone catch that conversation? I could be wrong.

Hewitt. An idiot’s idea of what smart people sound like.

511
harlequinade  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:55:14am

Is this a possibility:

Sessions++ during the week casts pall over March 4 Trump.
Article posted to trump base.
Trump posts, which directs traffic to story.
Base riled up.
All media becomes Fake News if they don’t agree with him

512
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:55:29am

re: #508 wrenchwench

> :) Grammar is h*cking tough.

FTFYB

513
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:56:03am

re: #499 Nyet

Thanks for the link. I started to wade into the comments and when I saw some of the same (virtual) smiling in the face of horror I had to run away.

514
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:56:20am

re: #512 Nyet

> :) Grammar is h*cking tough.

FTFYB

Did you mean “Hacking Cough”?
//////

515
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:56:53am

re: #508 wrenchwench

FFTFY

Dammit wrench’ I just gagged on some diet Coke.

Note creative use of apostrophe to cover for the missing ‘wench.’

516
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:57:27am

re: #512 Nyet

> :) Grammar is h*cking tough.

FTFYB

If I could pronounce h*cking, I’d work it in to my speaking.

517
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:57:30am

re: #514 Blind Frog Belly White

518
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:57:38am

re: #505 Nyet

Yup. As far as the timeline goes, I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened if the request last summer was approved.

519
jeffreyw  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:58:00am
520
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:58:16am

re: #487 Blind Frog Belly White

Nance could be correct, but I think he’s overlooking the possibility that Trump is just stupid.

Or deranged. Or both.

521
DuckDharma  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:58:19am

Calling bullshit on any story Louise Mensch is anywhere near.

522
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 10:58:42am

re: #512 Nyet

> :) Grammar is h*cking tough.

FTFYB

Arf arf!

523
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:00:27am

re: #521 DuckDharma

Calling bullshit on any story Louise Mensch is anywhere near.

You typed her name. Calling bullshit.

524
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:00:33am

re: #522 ObserverArt

Arf arf!

11/10, would still pet.

525
Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:00:53am
526
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:01:40am

re: #520 MsJ

Or deranged. Or both.

They aren’t mutually exclusive, after all.

527
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:02:38am
528
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:02:46am

Fractal doggo.

529
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:02:54am

Charles, new thread please. Please! My iPhone can’t take it.

530
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:03:43am

I’m just waiting for the day when Trump is thrown into prison.

531
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:03:52am

re: #528 Nyet

Lucy Mandelbrot

532
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:03:59am

We must be vigilant. The Resistance must not end when/if Trump is removed from the White House. The Russian connections go far deeper than Trump and even if Trump goes, we still have his shitty Cabinet to deal with.

Don’t think Ryan and Pence can’t fuck us all nicely too.

Fight to the end folks.

533
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:05:17am

re: #530 Nyet

I’m just waiting for the day when Trump is thrown into prison.

Hopefully in a cell with YUGE bars made of 100% American steel.

534
harlequinade  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:06:14am

re: #529 MsJ

Charles, new thread please. Please! My iPhone can’t take it.

QFT. Android chugging too

535
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:06:24am

re: #532 Eclectic Cyborg

We must be vigilant. The Resistance must not end when/if Trump is removed from the White House. The Russian connections go far deeper than Trump and even if Trump goes, we still have his shitty Cabinet to deal with.

Don’t think Ryan and Pence can’t fuck us all nicely too.

Fight to the end folks.

I confess that, at this point, it’s like choosing between Reactionary Hell, and Reactionary Hell with the possibility of the end of all life on Earth.

536
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:07:05am

re: #533 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully in a cell with YUGE bars made of 100% American steel.

Bars too big for his tiny hands to go all the way around….

537
DuckDharma  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:07:27am

re: #523 wrenchwench

That’s cute but she’s a total crackpot that thinks Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed so Bannon could taker over his website. Her being the only source that FISA approved a warrant gives me little confidence it’s true.

538
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:07:28am

re: #527 jaunte

[Embedded content]

But Sam, he was presidential on Tuesday morning after you gave him credit for it in his speech.

Make up yo’ fuckin’ mind!

So Sam, go with the averages, ‘kay?

95% of the time he is not presidential.

(bonus: use of apostrophes and fuckin’)

539
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:08:14am
540
Jebediah, RBG  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:09:10am

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

OMG that look!
Dog looks at me like that, you’ll have to use a crowbar to separate us.

541
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:09:21am

re: #537 DuckDharma

That’s cute but she’s a total crackpot that thinks Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed so Bannon could taker over his website. Her being the only source that FISA approved a warrant gives me little confidence it’s true.

Doesn’t mean she’s never right. Doesn’t mean she tars any story she’s ‘anywhere near’.

542
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:09:46am

re: #537 DuckDharma

That’s cute but she’s a total crackpot that thinks Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed so Bannon could taker over his website.

Nothing compared to the crackpot theories that Putin bombed Moscow apartments with hundreds of victims to start a war, but there are people who believe in that too.

543
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:12:43am
544
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:14:05am

Planned attack.

The suspect is described as a 6-foot-tall white man with a mask covering the lower half of his face.
thenewstribune.com

545
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:14:12am

re: #537 DuckDharma

Yeah, been hoping to get another source about the possible 2nd FISA request, but there haven’t been any.

546
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:14:33am
547
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:15:01am

Awww. Watch till the end.

548
makeitstop  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:15:09am

re: #537 DuckDharma

That’s cute but she’s a total crackpot that thinks Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed so Bannon could taker over his website. Her being the only source that FISA approved a warrant gives me little confidence it’s true.

I remember reading about a FISA warrant being approved in October long before hearing it from Louise Mensch. IIRC it was in either the NY Times or WaPo.

549
Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:16:50am

re: #543 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s never terrorism when the suspect is white, it’s “was estranged from his wife and developed anger issues.”

550
DuckDharma  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:17:31am

re: #541 wrenchwench

Please refer to any stories of her that were right.

Was it when she claimed that the French government covered up evidence at the Bataclan massacre?

When she claimed the teenager in the Anthony Weiner scandal was a Russian agent?

When she implied that the twitter user that sent Eichenwald the “siezure gif” was Russian?

551
DuckDharma  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:19:22am

re: #548 makeitstop

Link? The Guardian piece in the twitter thread above links back to Mensch’s Heat Streat exclusive.

552
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:20:02am
553
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:20:11am

Heh

554
makeitstop  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:20:36am

Kevin Drum, 1/17

Bipartisan Report (I know), 11/16

There were reports about this prior to Mensch.

555
harlequinade  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:21:01am

re: #547 Nyet

Thinks: why would anyone down ding that?
Realises it’s my fat fingers on slowed phone
oops

556
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:21:47am

re: #550 DuckDharma

Please refer to any stories of her that were right.

Was it when she claimed that the French government covered up evidence at the Bataclan massacre?

When she claimed the teenager in the Anthony Weiner scandal was a Russian agent?

When she implied that the twitter user that sent Eichenwald the “siezure gif” was Russian?

What I said was that what you said doesn’t mean she’s never right. Not that I would provide a contradictory list for you.

557
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:21:49am

re: #554 makeitstop

Same original source.

ETA: Louise’s HeatStreet

558
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:22:14am

re: #555 harlequinade

I figured as much so said nothing. :)

559
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:22:29am
560
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:23:43am
561
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:24:25am

re: #559 MsJ

Burn.

562
DuckDharma  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:25:07am

re: #554 makeitstop

Yo, the first report’s headline is on the ask, not approval. And this line: “According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October” links to Mensch’s article in the orginal Guardian piece. theguardian.com

The second link quotes directly from Mensch’s article.

563
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:26:49am

Saw Frum on MSNBC last night. He sure is trying to water down the whole Russian thing.

564
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:26:52am

re: #559 MsJ

Bloop!

Oh hey Obama!

565
makeitstop  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:28:29am

re: #563 ObserverArt

Saw Frum on MSNBC last night. He sure is trying to water down the whole Russian thing.

He sure seems to be going after Trump pretty hard on Twitter.

566
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:32:16am

re: #565 makeitstop

He sure seems to be going after Trump pretty hard on Twitter.

Maybe the facts he was complaining were not being shown to him have been made more clear to him since last evening.

I admit, I really do not get Frum.

567
Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:34:51am

re: #566 ObserverArt

I admit, I really do not get Frum.

Me neither.

568
Belafon  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:35:18am

re: #566 ObserverArt

Maybe the facts he was complaining were not being shown to him have been made more clear to him since last evening.

I admit, I really do not get Frum.

I think Frum knows Trump is going to destroy the Republican party.

569
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:35:41am

re: #566 ObserverArt

Maybe the facts he was complaining were not being shown to him have been made more clear to him since last evening.

I admit, I really do not get Frum.

Frum really is all over the place.

570
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:39:28am

ICE needs to be disbanded.

571
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:39:40am
572
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:41:47am

re: #570 MsJ

ICE needs to be disbanded.

[Embedded content]

Is it to the point where…ICE = Trump Goon squad?

573
Ace Rothstein  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:42:09am
574
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:43:53am

The last year or so has really shown me two things:

1) Trump really isn’t playing 11th dimensional chess. He really is that stupid. The thing is, his followers are stupider, and the fact that it is possible for someone so stupid to be elected while losing by nearly 3 Million votes, simply because of the geographical distribution of his supporters tells me that

2) The guys who wrote the Constitution weren’t really all that smart, either. A noisy minority has hijacked one of the two political parties which are the inevitable result of the design of our politics, and that noisy minority managed to nominate, and then elect both an idiot President and a gutless Congress afraid of the same 30-35% of the population.

575
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:45:05am

Senators Cosplay As Mad Emperor’s Cronies Wreck Nation

576
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:48:06am

re: #574 Blind Frog Belly White

Regarding #2 I would cut the Founders some slack. There is no way they could possibly have known that American political discourse would get this fucked up and lies becomes truths so easily because of technology that was over 200 years away from being invented.

577
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:50:20am
578
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:50:47am

re: #571 jaunte

Another really good article from lawfare.

lawfareblog.com

579
ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:50:59am

re: #576 Eclectic Cyborg

Regarding #2 I would cut the Founders some slack. There is no way they could possibly have known that American political discourse would get this fucked up and lies becomes truths so easily because of technology that was over 200 years away from being invented.

That’s my thinking on them too. Add in they probably counted on the citizens being a little sharper in the old brain matter and more participatory.

580
Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:51:33am

re: #575 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Senators Cosplay As Mad Emperor’s Cronies Wreck Nation

Black hats, at least, in character.

581
MsJ  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:52:41am

re: #572 ObserverArt

Is it to the point where…ICE = Trump Goon squad?

Yes! CBP, too.

I don’t know the answer but both are corrupt as hell. To much power and not a goddamn bit of common sense or compassion.

Fuck them both. I’ll never look at either agency in a positive light again.

582
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:53:53am

re: #576 Eclectic Cyborg

Regarding #2 I would cut the Founders some slack. There is no way they could possibly have known that American political discourse would get this fucked up and lies becomes truths so easily because of technology that was over 200 years away from being invented.

Agreed, but it’s common to impute to them almost godlike wisdom, when in fact they were just trying to build something everyone could live with that avoided the most obvious pitfalls that they knew about. Look at how they handled slavery and Southern whining about not having enough sway. Nearly guaranteed a crackup.

You can imagine the Computer Modelling guy coming in and telling them, “Look, every simulation we run has the whole thing falling apart somewhere between 50 and 100 years from now!”

And the guys say, “50- 100 years? Aw, hell - the next generation will figure it out!”

583
Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:54:22am

re: #579 ObserverArt

We do have a system in place to protect us from a totally unqualified lunatic like Trump. Unfortunately the Electoral College failed us bigly so the Trumplers are well on their way to destroying the country, with the full assistance of the Republican party and much of the US media.

584
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:57:03am

re: #583 Skip Intro

We do have a system in place to protect us from a totally unqualified lunatic like Trump. Unfortunately the Electoral College failed us bigly so the Trumplers are well on their way to destroying the country, with the full assistance of the Republican party and much of the US media.

The problem is, it turns out Checks And Balances aren’t automatic. It requires someone to actually USE them.

585
BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 11:57:28am
586
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:00:51pm

I heard this on the radio this morning. I don’t see the line that struck me funny in the transcript. ‘I’ve had 12 concussions that I remember’. Not funny, but I see humor.

“The story behind the colors of my eyes being different is I actually wear prosthetic lenses to help correct some of the neurological vision issues that I have which are secondary to the number of brain injuries that I received in my service,” Rodriguez explains. George W. Bush Presidential Center
587
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:01:19pm

re: #585 BigPapa

588
FormerDirtDart  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:01:28pm
589
Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:02:32pm

Oh, poor Louise…
;)

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

590
BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:03:33pm
591
jaunte  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:03:52pm
592
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:04:00pm

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

IihUHYShCUrbkronyKDaM42JUpAmXuWImevMyhnS2tC9eAPtRBFIQKDamWL+blPy

593
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:06:20pm

OK, she is not alright.

594
JordanRules  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:06:49pm

re: #593 Nyet

Oh lawd!!

595
BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:08:45pm

re: #592 Nyet

toGYkEuvgWoOCGEzeh5Hgbf50ns6T+IBXgtylLdUT0bmNhV5mmfkwIPaY4+FRLg2

596
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:10:28pm

re: #593 Nyet

OK, she is not alright.

[Embedded content]

‘Alright’ is not a fucking word.

597
Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:10:45pm

re: #593 Nyet

OK, she is not alright.

[Embedded content]

inorite? Her TL right now is just…ummmm….

598
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:10:56pm

re: #595 BigPapa

K7l1hJLgL8LIBPo5vb5+FLtKVQG+zj4W2T8E2YGRq814Tg3UqBvlR8V7rkKQr8ejJ/K209EpRsY=

599
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:11:53pm

re: #596 wrenchwench

‘Alright’ is not a fucking word.

Alright, all ready!

600
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:11:57pm

re: #596 wrenchwench

Although the spelling alright is nearly as old as all right, some critics have insisted alright is all wrong. Nevertheless it has its defenders and its users, who perhaps have been influenced by analogy with altogether and already. It is less frequent than all right but remains common especially in informal writing. It is quite common in fictional dialogue and is sometimes found in more formal writing (the first two years of medical school were alright — Gertrude Stein).

601
Barefoot Grin  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:12:26pm

re: #591 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Wait, does he think he’s president? Bannon is not going to like this.

602
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:15:08pm

re: #600 Nyet

Although the spelling alright is nearly as old as all right, some critics have insisted alright is all wrong. Nevertheless it has its defenders and its users, who perhaps have been influenced by analogy with altogether and already. It is less frequent than all right but remains common especially in informal writing. It is quite common in fictional dialogue and is sometimes found in more formal writing (the first two years of medical school were alright — Gertrude Stein).

Alt-right grammar!

603
Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:15:13pm

Ah…figured out what’s going on with Louise today:

604
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:16:06pm

re: #602 wrenchwench

Alt-right grammar!

My grammar is alright. ;)

605
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:17:20pm

re: #604 Nyet

My grammar is alright. ;)

But you’ll always have that accent. :)

606
BigPapa  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:17:40pm

With new threadage, let’s destroy this one.

This is the only pineapple pizza I like:

This is a good pineapple pizza
607
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:18:58pm

re: #605 wrenchwench

I no.

608
wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:19:51pm

re: #606 BigPapa

With new threadage, let’s destroy this one.

This is the only pineapple pizza I like:

[Embedded content]

If those are Hatch Green Chiles at the top, it’s alright.

609
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:21:48pm

re: #607 Nyet

I no.

Eye no, rite?

610
Nyet  Mar 4, 2017 • 12:24:47pm

re: #609 Blind Frog Belly White

Eye no, rite?

Aye, no Wright.


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President John F. Kennedy’s Civil Rights Address c-span.org I'm old enough that I actually remember watching this live on TV. At the time, I knew even at the tender age of 11 (to be age 12 before the month was out, and my entire world view ...
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Deluxe Cheesecake Recipe - NYT Cooking Ingredients For the crust 1 cup flour (120 grams) ¼ teaspoon sugar 1 teaspoon grated lemon zest ½ cup (1 stick) butter (113 grams), chilled and cubed 1 egg yolk, lightly beaten ¼ teaspoon vanilla For the filling 5 ...
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Norah Jones - Black Hole Sun (Detroit Fox Theatre 5.23.17)Norah paid tribute to Chris Cornell at Detroit’s Fox Theatre with ‘Black Hole Sun.’ Filmed by: Ed Davis
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