Trump Recycles His Muslim Ban, but It Doesn’t Smell Any Better This Time Around

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Well, the Trump Horror is trying again with its Muslim Ban, doing a cursory rewrite and removing Iraq from the list of banned countries, but doing nothing to change the bigoted and un-American intent.

I predict it’s going to get rather quickly thrown out by the courts again. For what it’s worth, the ACLU agrees with me.

“The Trump administration has conceded that its original Muslim ban was indefensible. Unfortunately, it has replaced it with a scaled-back version that shares the same fatal flaws. The only way to actually fix the Muslim ban is not to have a Muslim ban. Instead, President Trump has recommitted himself to religious discrimination, and he can expect continued disapproval from both the courts and the people.

“What’s more, the changes the Trump administration has made, and everything we’ve learned since the original ban rolled out, completely undermine the bogus national security justifications the president has tried to hide behind and only strengthen the case against his unconstitutional executive orders.”

Meanwhile the inimitable Jim Hoft, Stupidest Man on the Internet, isn’t even trying to hide his bad craziness any more; he’s labeling all the countries affected by Trump’s Muslim Ban “terror states.”

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568 comments

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:43:58pm

… and ‘round and ‘round it’ll go… where we’ll end no one knows…

This thing is, of course, just to provide red meat to Trump’s Muslim-hating base.

Xenophobia is the characteristic of the weak.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:44:03pm

Man. These people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:44:22pm

dammit…new thread where this fits…
reposting from downstairs:

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:45:08pm

I’ve been reading a lot about Nixon lately. Trump is President. Coincidence?

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S'latch  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:45:25pm

Maybe he’s counting on resistance fatigue?

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:46:26pm

Concha is such a douchebag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:46:35pm
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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:46:38pm

re: #2 MsJ

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

We are led by monsters. And the only recourse seems to be to hope we can bow them by constant public outrage. Here’s hoping it will work…

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:49:11pm

Off-topic:

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Joe Bacon  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:50:42pm

Folks, my Spidey Sense is really tingling over the Republicare bill they just unveiled. Just wait for the next batch of town hall meetings where all hell is going to break loose on those asshole RepubliKKKlans!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:53:50pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon

What townhall meetings…

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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 5:59:11pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon

Folks, my Spidey Sense is really tingling over the Republicare bill they just unveiled. Just wait for the next batch of town hall meetings where all hell is going to break loose on those asshole RepubliKKKlans!

What town hall meetings?

No, I’m serious, do you think they’ll actually hold town hall meetings at this rate?

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I cannot.  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:00:15pm

As I deadthreaded downstairs…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:01:35pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:03:20pm

Off-topic: I just received an E-mail from Amazon that my Little Green Footballs brand diabetic cat food has shipped. (::

(It is really Purina, but ordered through LGF’s pass-through button to Amazon. It would be cool if it came with pictures of lizards on the cans… .)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:04:40pm

Snopes not making a determination yet, just laying out the facts as known thus far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:06:06pm

Logs? We don’t have to show you no stinking logs…

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:06:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:07:18pm

re: #13 I cannot.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:09:20pm
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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:09:32pm
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Nosferajew  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:10:04pm

Are they going to try to force this through before April? Or are they going to plan on weathering the storm for 2 weeks when they’re home and constituents are gathering torches and pitchforks?

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:11:08pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:11:10pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snopes not making a determination yet, just laying out the facts as known thus far.

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He shouldn’t have canceled the trip, but instead forced CBP’s hand. Let them try some shit and then deal with the resulting PR disaster. Targeting him for real retribution is the dumbest move they can possibly make.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:11:51pm

juanitajean.com had a good opening about Ben Carson’s hoof in mouth disease: “You know, when he was doing all the brain surgery maybe he accidentally became a donor.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:11:53pm

Ohio lizards, if you are near Dayton I highly recommend this free class. It also includes basic spotter training. Registration is not required, but is helpful so they have sufficient handouts.
I’ve been a trained NWS spotter for 40 years (started off as a storm chaser for them in Illinois).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:13:25pm

re: #25 retired cynic

juanitajean.com had a good opening about Ben Carson’s hoof in mouth disease: “You know, when he was doing all the brain surgery maybe he accidentally became a donor.”

I always love me some Juanita Jean.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:13:27pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio lizards, if you are near Dayton I highly recommend this free class. It also includes basic spotter training. Registration is not required, but is helpful so they have sufficient handouts.
I’ve been a trained NWS spotter for 40 years (started off as a storm chaser for them in Illinois).

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My family is doing the one in Corsicana, TX on Saturday. Trying to decide if we want to sit through both parts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:14:14pm

re: #28 Belafon

My family is doing the one in Corsicana, TX on Saturday. Trying to decide if we want to sit through both parts.

Definitely sit through both parts. It’s well worth the time.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:15:59pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Definitely sit through both parts. It’s well worth the time.

My youngest and I have done the basic 4 of the last five years. My wife and middle have never been through one.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:16:07pm

This happened Saturday:

This was 8:00 last night:

Here is the Palmer report tweet, which was Sunday morning:

That does it for me. I think AngryWHstaffer is genuine. If that was Rybolovlev, that tweet from Saturday is potential legal evidence.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:16:11pm

“paging Georgia O’Keefe…”

Wonderful cackle from Rachel M.

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Archangelus  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:16:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:17:33pm

re: #30 Belafon

My youngest and I have done the basic 4 of the last five years. My wife and middle have never been through one.

Refreshing the basics is always good. I attend the basic class every five years or so.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:17:56pm

re: #10 Joe Bacon

Folks, my Spidey Sense is really tingling over the Republicare bill they just unveiled. Just wait for the next batch of town hall meetings where all hell is going to break loose on those asshole RepubliKKKlans!

I’m gonna have to join the chorus asking “What town halls?” They’re planning a vote in the House in 2 days. They want the bill on Donny’s desk before Easter. Why? Because they know the more people hear about this bill, the more toxic it’s going to be to them. So they’re now playing “Beat the Clock.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:18:08pm

I mentioned this bit I saw on All in with Chris Hayes toward the end of the last thread. The video is out. Check out the snake-like moves of one Anthony Scaramucci and how he explains Trump’s Tweet about Obama bugging his phones at Trump Tower.

I wanted to reach into my TV and strangle “Slick” because he is just so damn arrogant confident in his delivery. I hate these guys so much. So much.

Iframe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:18:42pm
Wash. AG Bob Ferguson on Pres. Trump’s “see you in court” tweet: He was “afraid to see us in court, because he knew he would lose again.”
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:19:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:19:17pm
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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:21:27pm

re: #9 Anymouse

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:23:10pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:23:11pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trumpcare: “We have to pass it before you see what’s in it.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:23:56pm

I’ve been about to over-dose on cool recently thanks to a Facebook page called The Streamline Moderne Era: Los Angeles in the 1930s and 1940s

Their criteria include anything remotely associated with LA style in that period or roughly similar to it.

For instance, the Bay Cities Guaranty building (eg “The Clock Tower”) in Santa Monica, built in 1929-30; Walker and Eisen, architects.

Also some breathtakingly beautiful consumer products of the time:

1942 Truetone Coronet Bakelite Tube Radio

…..and modern interpretations like this Delahaye inspired DecoRides Bugnotti custom:

The humblest commercial promotions showed real genius and style as well. Fruit crate labels:

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:23:58pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m a spotter. I can recommend this. It’s a serious job, but weather is fascinating and I’ve learned a lot over the fifteen years I’ve been spotting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:24:32pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:25:55pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:26:18pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course the GOP not-healthcare bill doesn’t include any of Trump’s lies on the subject.

Neither Trump nor the Republicans care about that at all.

All that matters to them is getting the Obamacare taxes on the wealthy ended ASAP so that the resulting lower rates can be used as the starting point for further tax cuts for the rich.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:28:04pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:28:21pm

Whirled Nut Daily and FOX News are both claiming that Loretta Lynch called for violence in a recent video.

Snopes didn’t rate it as they usually do, but they noted the speech was in reference to the Civil Rights Movement and not anything about Donald Trump.

snopes.com

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:29:39pm
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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:31:01pm

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

I think Rybolovlev’s plane needs its very own website. How about M-KATE dot com?

Tweets will be sent when M-KATE is within 100 nmi of DC, Trump Tower, Mar-A-Lago or Air Force One.

/////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:31:44pm

Not a huge fan of Louise, but this is fun:

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Archangelus  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:32:23pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:33:03pm

I had no idea that Disney did R&D like this.

Quasistatic Cavity Resonance for Ubiquitous Wireless Power Transfer

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:33:30pm

re: #53 Archangelus

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:33:51pm

Outrage continues as more news outlets refer to travel “privileges” rather than rights:

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:34:02pm

re: #12 Citizen K

What town hall meetings?

No, I’m serious, do you think they’ll actually hold town hall meetings at this rate?

They are going to all have to go into hiding somewhere.

I agree they might not hold town hall meetings, but their constituents all over this country are going to be having some kind of meetings with them one way or the other.

People are pissed. This is going to be the line in the sand with all the Democratic base and even with people that voted for Trump and other Republicans.

Yes, some of those would be the Fox News viewers trained to hate Obamacare but came to love the Affordable Care Act. And I do believe more people have come to accept it since all of this repeal shit has been going on.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:34:23pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

The Supermanagerial Reich

business — especially large corporate interests — was given extraordinary leeway. They did not have perfect free rein, but large business interests were relieved of many previous social democratic restrictions. Independent labor organizations were crushed, and business was allowed to coagulate into massive, profit-generating monopolies as long as it produced the necessary goods and services the party and the army required.

It’s not that everything will be identical to what’s described, but the armature is beginning to look the same.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:36:29pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

That might be why they referred to the ACA as “Obamacare” in their bill. The GOP knows a whole lot of their voters dislike Obamacare while supporting the ACA.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:36:40pm

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

Palmer Report sets off my troll warning sirens. I can’t tell you exactly why, and I could be mistaken, but something about this Twitter feed doesn’t smell right to me.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:37:18pm

The story Rachel Maddow just did about Trump’s involvement in a bizarre hotel deal in Azerbaijan (based heavily on reporting of Adam Davidson in The New Yorker) would be enough to ruin the career of many normal politicians in most parts of the world.

Given the situation we have going on here, it is likely to be a blip on the radar…if that.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:40:09pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Palmer Report sets off my troll warning sirens. I can’t tell you exactly why, and I could be mistaken, but something about this Twitter feed doesn’t smell right to me.

Palmer Report wrote a couple days ago about the Russia’s “fertiliser king” flying around to the same places Trump flew.

As of yesterday, his aircraft is in eastern Puerto Rico, having flown from Los Angeles:
flightaware.com

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:41:57pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:44:32pm

CBC is now reporting that Khzir Khan was supposed to appear on its show The Current and is now cancelled.

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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:46:26pm

re: #61 bratwurst

The story Rachel Maddow just did about Trump’s involvement in a bizarre hotel deal in Azerbaijan (based heavily on reporting of Adam Davidson in The New Yorker) would be enough to ruin the career of many normal politicians in most parts of the world.

Given the situation we have going on here, it is likely to be a blip on the radar…if that.

We shall see.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:46:44pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Money on the barrelhead: if this gets through, it’ll be private prison facilities that will be paid to manage those kids and set up proper detention for them.

PPCs have been super excited about immigration issues for years, because it’s a place to expand their skillset (of farming profit off prisoners). Shit like this is why they’re so excited, and their stock is bumping up.

Mind you, this is possibly another case of the admin floating a terrible idea to see what reactions it gets, before pulling back and doing something that’s still awful, but not as dramatic.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:48:50pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:48:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:50:14pm
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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:51:01pm

re: #66 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Money on the barrelhead: if this gets through, it’ll be private prison facilities that will be paid to manage those kids and set up proper detention for them.

PPCs have been super excited about immigration issues for years, because it’s a place to expand their skillset (of farming profit off prisoners). Shit like this is why they’re so excited, and their stock is bumping up.

Mind you, this is possibly another case of the admin floating a terrible idea to see what reactions it gets, before pulling back and doing something that’s still awful, but not as dramatic.

No. They said children will go to legal family members of there are any or into the US system, which I took as foster care. They are literally stealing children. Parents have no legal rights to get them back.

These people are fucking monsters.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:52:39pm

Canadian citizen stopped at the Vermont border, and told she needed an immigrant visa to enter the country.
ctvnews.ca

More at CTV:

Jeff Lagerquist, ctvnews.ca
Published Monday, March 6, 2017 4:13PM EST
Last Updated Monday, March 6, 2017 7:57PM EST

A Canadian citizen says she was denied entry into the United States by border officials, who told her she needs to obtain an immigrant visa in order to cross.

Manpreet Kooner, 30, was born in the Montreal-area to parents who came to Canada from India in the 1960s. She and a group of friends were stopped at the Quebec-Vermont border on Sunday en route to a spa getaway.

“We gave in our passports and we were asked to come inside to be questioned,” she told CTV News.

Once inside, Kooner says he was singled out by U.S. officials, who questioned her for over five hours, taking her fingerprints and photograph while searching the vehicle they arrived in.

She says she found the incident bizarre given that she was travelling on a Canadian passport and has no criminal record.

“They made me sign a paper saying I’m not allowed to enter the states because I’m an immigrant travelling without an immigrant visa,” she said.

Kooner’s friends, whom she says were not asked additional questions, pleaded with U.S. officials, insisting she is indeed a Canadian citizen. That’s when she says a female border agent made a disturbing comment.

“She did say, ‘I know you may feel like you’ve been trumped,’” an apparent reference to U.S. President Donald Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:54:12pm

#FDNY drone assists w/ fire operations for the first time ever at Bronx 4th alarm. Read more ow.ly

From the Facebook post linked:

New York City Fire Department (FDNY)
“This fire was helped by our drone, this was the first time it was deployed at the Fire Department at a fire. We have been using the drone for 6-8 months, we’ve been training a lot with it. The roof started to fail and we had a lot of great radio reports but that’s only verbal, so with the drone we had good visual pictures and it really helped us make decisions to put this fire out and keep our members safe,” says FDNY Deputy Assistant Chief Dan Donoghue, describing the first-ever use of the FDNY drone at a 4-alarm fire in the Bronx. “Tonight, we had a lot of verbal reports, the Firefighters were saying the roof was giving way. Being able to get a picture as well as verbal reports give us the ability to make a better decision at the Command Post because it’s difficult to understand even with the best radio report. Seeing it is helpful.” Learn more about the FDNY drone at ow.ly [Facebook]

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:55:02pm

re: #70 MsJ

Welp, guess that’s an index of how cynical I’ve gotten, I’m not reality testing enough. Thanks for the wake up.

Going to put on something fun and relax.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:55:03pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Canadian citizen stopped at the Vermont border, and told she needed an immigrant visa to enter the country.
ctvnews.ca

More at CTV:

“She did say, ‘I know you may feel like you’ve been trumped,’” an apparent reference to U.S. President Donald Trump.

What does that even mean?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:58:54pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Palmer Report sets off my troll warning sirens. I can’t tell you exactly why, and I could be mistaken, but something about this Twitter feed doesn’t smell right to me.

You’re not alone. Some of the stuff seems solid, but most of their “reports” sound like CTs. I’d take anything from that feed with a grain of salt. Ditto Scott Dworkin’s TL. He’s more reliable than Palmer Reports, IMO, but he still tends to publish without much corroboration of facts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:59:22pm

re: #74 MsJ

What does that even mean?

CBP on steroids feeling their oats.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:59:37pm

re: #62 Anymouse

Palmer Report wrote a couple days ago about the Russia’s “fertiliser king” flying around to the same places Trump flew.

As of yesterday, his aircraft is in eastern Puerto Rico, having flown from Los Angeles:
flightaware.com

It’s not a scoop by PR. Others have noticed the same pattern.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:59:38pm

The first vote on Obamacare was 30 days after the bill was introduced, which followed weeks of open debate about the bill itself.

Trumpcare? 2 days and zero debate.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 6:59:51pm
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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:00:22pm

re: #74 MsJ

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty much. They’re openly rubbing it in that they’re carrying out what they see as Trump’s will by stopping all these dirty evil immigrants from crossing over.

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EPR-radar  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:00:30pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

One small quibble. This DHS proposal isn’t of terrorizing families and children ‘to change minds’. It is of terrorizing families and children for the pure pleasure of inflicting fear.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:00:38pm
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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:01:01pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

The first vote on Obamacare was 30 days after the bill was introduced, which followed weeks of open debate about the bill itself.

Trumpcare? 2 days and zero debate.

But remember that Obamacare was shoved down our throats with no debate whatsoever!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:01:36pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:02:26pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

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An ugly deterrent for sure ‘dammitfrank. No disguise to it at all because they want it clear. And it is terrorism in the sense they may not even do it as much as just threaten. That makes it psych ops. It’s some dirty shit and very unAmerican.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:03:12pm

re: #82 MsJ

A tax is tyranny.

A government mandated penalty fee to a corporation is freedom.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:04:49pm

There’s good reason I hate Republicans and wish harm on all of them. They are literally trying to kill Americans. Literally, the real literally.

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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:05:11pm

Can’t wait to see what happens to premiums if this goes the way it was feared it would if there was no mandate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:07:47pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:08:06pm

re: #88 The Spite House

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Can’t wait to see what happens to premiums if this goes the way it was feared it would if there was no mandate.

I suspect that insurance companies will leave the marketplace entirely. Feature, not bug.

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EPR-radar  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:08:48pm

re: #87 MsJ

There’s good reason I hate Republicans and wish harm on all of them. They are literally trying to kill Americans. Literally, the real literally.

While they do that, they also corruptly line their own pockets with ill-gotten gains while publicly making sanctimonious statements of their non-existent virtue.

What’s not to like?

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:09:54pm
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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:10:31pm

I hope it was all worth it to stick it to some brown people.

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calochortus  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:10:48pm

re: #90 Anymouse

I suspect that insurance companies will leave the marketplace entirely. Feature, not bug.

Since the GOP’s fingerprints are all over this, they will own the fact there will be no individual insurance market. I’m guessing a few of them are smart enough to see this. I don’t see how this bill will pass.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:11:53pm

Needz moar guinea pig:

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:12:38pm

re: #94 calochortus

Since the GOP’s fingerprints are all over this, they will own the fact there will be no individual insurance market. I’m guessing a few of them are smart enough to see this. I don’t see how this bill will pass.

1) We had to destroy the insurance market to save it.
2) Obama

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:15:49pm

re: #90 Anymouse

I suspect that insurance companies will leave the marketplace entirely. Feature, not bug.

Who said there would be marketplaces?

I get the feel they are just putting in generalized rules and let the insurance companies fuck everyone over at their will so long as it fits a few rules.

They want government out of government…entitlements be damned in Ryan world.

Fuck Tiny Tim and his damn Cratchit family. Scrooge made a mistake. All along he was still Scrooge…Donny Trump…rich man. Cratchit should be glad he gets any wage at all!

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Joe Bacon  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:15:54pm

re: #96 Anymouse

1) We had to destroy the insurance market to save it.
2) Obama

And I already see Facebook posts where idiots swallowing this poisoned pill reply “Who needs Health Care when we have Jesus?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:16:30pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:17:03pm
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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:17:32pm

re: #98 Joe Bacon

And I already see Facebook posts where idiots swallowing this poisoned pill reply “Who needs Health Care when we have Jesus?”

I don’t think Jesus is in my network.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:18:45pm

A member of my family was diagnosed with melanoma in June of 2016. He also happens to be a wingnut. When I gently suggested that he maybe should worry about repealing/replacing the ACA because of his pre-existing condition, he assured me that the GOP were “going to keep the parts that work and get rid of the parts that don’t.”

Ummmm…okay….

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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:18:53pm

Oh look, and caps are coming back. Sweet.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:19:35pm

re: #94 calochortus

Since the GOP’s fingerprints are all over this, they will own the fact there will be no individual insurance market. I’m guessing a few of them are smart enough to see this. I don’t see how this bill will pass.

One word: “Reconciliation.” They’ll club enough of their Senators over the head to pass this via reconciliation, which has a 50 vote bar as opposed to the 60 vote bar of cloture, because the bulk of this bill involves taxation and budgetary measures. It’s not about “fixing” anything, it’s about getting a point on the midterms scoreboard. Going into reelection season next year saying they fulfilled their promise to “repeal and replace Obamacare.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:20:10pm

re: #93 The Spite House

I hope it was all worth it to stick it to some brown people , Democrats and liberals.

A small addition there in bold type.

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The Spite House  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:20:39pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

A small addition there in bold type.

This is fair.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:23:10pm

CPB better stop fucking with Canadians at the border or shit’s about to get real.

We aren’t going to sit idly by and let these shitheels bully us.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:23:49pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:23:57pm

Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has opened a probe into the FBI’s ties to the British spy who investigated Trump.
thehill.com

(more at The Hill)

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has opened an inquiry into allegations the FBI worked with the British spy who authored a controversial opposition research dossier on President Trump during the 2016 election.

In a Monday letter to FBI Director James Comey, Grassley asked for records pertaining to any agreements the agency may have had with Christopher Steele. The MI6 agent wrote an explosive memo on behalf of Trump’s political enemies alleging that the Russians had compromising information on the president.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:24:50pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

CPB better stop fucking with Canadians at the border or shit’s about to get real.

We aren’t going to sit idly by and let these shitheels bully us.

It’s been over two hundred years since Canada burned the White House, just sayin’.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:29:13pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

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calochortus  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:29:15pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

One word: “Reconciliation.” They’ll club enough of their Senators over the head to pass this via reconciliation, which has a 50 vote bar as opposed to the 60 vote bar of cloture, because the bulk of this bill involves taxation and budgetary measures. It’s not about “fixing” anything, it’s about getting a point on the midterms scoreboard. Going into reelection season next year saying they fulfilled their promise to “repeal and replace Obamacare.”

But if they replace the ACA with something people don’t like, they own it and they know it. Even with only 50 votes needed, I have a hard time seeing this passing.
Not psychic. Could be wrong, but the wingnuts apparently hate it, and I just don’t see a huge up-side for the GOP in passing it.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:29:39pm

re: #109 Anymouse

Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has opened a probe into the FBI’s ties to the British spy who investigated Trump.
thehill.com

(more at The Hill)

First off, he is EX MI-6 (actually, SI-6 now). Second, he was originally funded by JEB! to do oppo research on Drumpf, not the FBI.

So quit wasting taxpayer time and dollars, you incredibly ignorant puffin fucker.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:30:18pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:31:50pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Interesting comment from Ezra Klein on this:

“…All this speaks to the Republican Party’s fundamental difficulty on health care, which Suderman captures well: “The GOP’s real problem, in terms of passing legislation, isn’t that the party can’t agree on specifics, or that legislators need to bargain their way toward a compromise that gives everyone something they want. It’s that they don’t agree on, or in some cases even have, basic goals when it comes to health policy.”
vox.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:32:17pm

re: #98 Joe Bacon

And I already see Facebook posts where idiots swallowing this poisoned pill reply “Who needs Health Care when we have Jesus?”

Jesus would’a’ wanted everyone to have free healthcare and people to have brains enough to understand the nature of the words in that book they so believe in.

Grrr. I feel I am being bugged by Trump. Well, bugged by him for sure.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:32:40pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:33:58pm

re: #118 Belafon

It’s as if they have force fields pushing them apart.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:34:15pm

re: #113 calochortus

But if they replace the ACA with something people don’t like, they own it and they know it. Even with only 50 votes needed, I have a hard time seeing this passing.
Not psychic. Could be wrong, but the wingnuts apparently hate it, and I just don’t see a huge up-side for the GOP in passing it.

The wingnuts will get over their anger by next year, enough that they’ll still show up and vote Republican on Election Day. And the biggest upside for the GOP is getting the matter off their desks for the rest of the year, allowing them to move on to the real meat of their agenda which is getting as much shit passed before Trump implodes. They can come back to address the carnage in two years, after most of them have been reelected and can claim a “mandate” to continue with tearing up the ACA.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:34:15pm

re: #95 Anymouse

Needz moar guinea pig:

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I had a guinea pig named Gonzo. This came about because the principal at my daughter’s elementary school was a fanatic about the value of live animals in the classroom. They had ferrets, hamsters, turtles, a snake or two, some gerbils, and of course guinea pigs. They were a little lax about segregating them by sex. The inevitable result was a crop of guinea piglets. They were very cute and the daughter had to have one. They were free to good homes, after all. After spending a sizable pile on proper cages, bedding, exercise things, and guinea pig chow, we got our free pet home. For a while our cat Roo, and dog Roswell the Atomic Poodle, would spend hours on the floor looking up at Gonzo’s cage. I guess they thought I had brought them a hot lunch treat. They finally gave up and realized that he was no more food than they were. It was even safe to put him on the floor with them. He never did much but he was always cute and made little noises. He lived to be 7 years old, which is about average for a guinea pig. As I’ve mentioned before, Roswell lived to be 16, passing away in 2010, while Roo was the last of the pets my late wife and I had together. He died last year, a glorious 24 years and 6 months of age.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:35:55pm
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calochortus  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:36:03pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

I guess we’ll find out.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:36:20pm

re: #116 jaunte

Interesting comment from Ezra Klein on this:

They’ve had seven years (seven years!) to craft a replacement policy. This is their solution? It’s a steaming pile of shit.

Fuck them. Fuck them right up the ass.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:37:32pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:37:59pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

A joke that floats around about guinea pigs is they can be born pregnant.

It has been quite a while since I had any guinea pigs (I had two when I lived in Oklahoma). Felix Randomkitty used to cuddle up to them.

I used to take them out on leashes and walk them in the neighbourhood (my neighbours though I was weird).

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:38:25pm

re: #124 austin_blue

I know what they want:
1. They want to be reelected
2. So they need to satisfy their big donors. Tax cuts!
3. Everything else is distraction, including everyone’s health, which they don’t give a shit about

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Joe Bacon  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:39:20pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:39:20pm
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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:40:41pm

re: #126 Anymouse

… I used to take them out on leashes and walk them in the neighbourhood (my neighbours though I was weird).

Oh. Surely not!

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Donkey With No Name  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:40:57pm

As always, FDR is appropriate:

FDR “Let Me Warn You” (1936).m4v

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Joe Bacon  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:41:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:42:49pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:45:19pm
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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:48:33pm

re: #127 jaunte

I know what they want:
1. They want to be reelected
2. So they need to satisfy their big donors. Tax cuts!
3. Everything else is distraction, including everyone’s health, which they don’t give a shit about

Which is all fine and good until Aunt Betty (and everyone has an Aunt Betty or equivalent) caps out on her new shit policy and has to pay for her continued chemo for breast cancer/myeloma/leukemia and she and Uncle Bob go bankrupt and the cousins’ inheritance goes up in smoke and Aunt Betty and her grieving spouse can’t get another policy for her because they are fucking bankrupt and don’t have a fucking dime to their names and Aunt Betty dies an agonizing death.

Paul Ryan is the real death panel.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:49:47pm

re: #130 retired cynic

Oh. Surely not!

It was a short walk, but it took forever.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:51:25pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

No he’s right. They won’t die in the street.

They’ll die in Alleys and hospitals and shopping malls and schools…

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:52:02pm

Samuel L. Jackson slaps Ben Carson upside his head.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:53:32pm

re: #138 wheat-dogg

Samuel L. Jackson slaps Ben Carson upside his head.

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If you’ve got Sam mad at you, you are in serious hurt.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:54:00pm

re: #135 austin_blue

Well, they were able to convince a great number of voters that the new system (the ACA) was destroying the freedom they had to die without care or with bankruptcy before. I presume they can pull out the same arguments again.

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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:54:56pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:55:04pm
Mikel Jollett ✔ @Mikel_Jollett
How fucking soulless do you have to be to get excited about a tax cut that’s created by taking health care away from children?

I’m going to put that on a postcard tonight and mail it to Ryan and some other R’s (minus the f-bomb).

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 7:58:20pm

re: #140 Anymouse

Well, they were able to convince a great number of voters that the new system (the ACA) was destroying the freedom they had to die without care or with bankruptcy before. I presume they can pull out the same arguments again.

It appears that a fair number of mouth-breathing fuckwits didn’t realize that their ACA policies were, in fact, Obamacare. Just like a large number of retirees thought that Obamacare would negatively affect their Medicare, and eventually, their Medicaid for nursing home services.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:01:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:02:03pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:02:20pm

re: #143 austin_blue

Think the talking points below are sharp enough to penetrate enough thick skulls to make a dent?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:02:37pm

re: #139 austin_blue

If you’ve got Sam mad at you, you are in serious hurt.

Ben’s pissed off a more African-Americans than Sam with his stupid remark and even more stupid doubling-down on it.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:04:59pm

re: #143 austin_blue

It appears that a fair number of mouth-breathing fuckwits didn’t realize that their ACA policies were, in fact, Obamacare. Just like a large number of retirees thought that Obamacare would negatively affect their Medicare, and eventually, their Medicaid for nursing home services.

And that’s exactly why the Republicans dubbed it “Obamacare” (just as they did during the Clinton Administration with “Hillarycare.”)

They played on the hatred of their base.

And that’s why the House repeal bill references “Obamacare” now: To convince their voters they are doing the right thing by repealing the evil Obamacare, not the PPACA.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:07:42pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Holy fucking clamato juice. Wow!

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:11:15pm

re: #149 Jebediah, RBG

Holy fucking clamato juice. Wow!

Trump supporters might not have to “do everything,” but they do need to provide evidence to support their claims. The woman on that tweet doesn’t really understand how argument works does she?

You make the assertion, you support it. “Google it” is neither evidence nor an argument.

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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:12:41pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:13:30pm

Protests planned against revised Muslim Ban:
cnn.com

More at CNN:

The Trump administration’s second swipe at a travel ban and temporary suspension of the US refugee resettlement program has met with swift backlash from leading human rights groups and activist opponents, who are already planninig protests in response to the Monday order.
“This replacement order is the same hate and fear with new packaging,” Margaret Huang, executive director of Amnesty International USA, said in a statement released minutes after the details were made public. “No amount of editing can make this executive order anything but what it is — blatant bigotry.”

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:14:38pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

Lordy, where is that from? I wish the two of them could be chained together (along with a few others) for the rest of their lives!!

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:14:52pm
Ricky Davila @TheRickyDavila

A simple picture can speak a thousand words, but a thousand isn’t enough to describe this one.

“Oh crap, I left my shell in the cloakroom.”

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Scout  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:15:09pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve been about to over-dose on cool recently thanks to a Facebook page called The Streamline Moderne Era: Los Angeles in the 1930s and 1940s

Please forgive my ignorance. How does this relate to Art Deco (if at all)?

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:16:12pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

The almost SOTU speech?

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makeitstop  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:16:58pm

Rude Pundit minces no words.

I hate Donald Trump because he knew that he was getting in over his head and he still thought he could just cruise through this job like he’s cruised through his life. I hate him and his family and everyone around him because no one had the guts to say, “No, Donald/Dad/Sir/Dahling, you are not smart enough, wise enough, skilled enough, experienced enough to be president. Knock it off.” I hate him because he’s either a pathetic and deluded madman or a flailing criminal or both. And my hatred will only grow deeper and deeper because, like I said, Donald Trump has shown me my capacity for hate.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:17:01pm

If they lost the Olds (like me), the GOP is screwed.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:17:49pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

CPB better stop fucking with Canadians at the border or shit’s about to get real.

We aren’t going to sit idly by and let these shitheels bully us.

Well… If they can get in.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:21:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:22:58pm
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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:22:59pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

I thought he was one the Dems thought they could live with. He isn’t turning up sparkly in my book.

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TedStriker  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:23:44pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

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Actually, it’s more like this:

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:23:53pm

re: #158 MsJ

If they lost the Olds (like me), the GOP is screwed.

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MsJ, you’re not old. You’re sweet and kind and intelligent. You’re informed and educated and aware (things that come with experience, not age).

[/laying-on-flattery-with-a-trowel.]

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BigPapa  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:24:31pm
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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:24:57pm

re: #158 MsJ

Maybe the guy talking to a squirrel will get through to some of the more flighty ones.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:25:36pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

Trump doesn’t have diddly or he would have put it out there. He has a cell phone.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:27:46pm

re: #153 retired cynic

Lordy, where is that from? I wish the two of them could be chained together (along with a few others) for the rest of their lives!!

McConnell resembles the No-Chin Nazi in that pic!

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:28:25pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

DHS Sec Kelly: Huge dope or corrupt weasel?

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:29:08pm

re: #169 jaunte

DHS Sec Kelly: Huge dope or corrupt weasel?

All of ‘em, Katie!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:29:12pm

Handy visual aid here

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majii  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:30:50pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

“DHS Sec Kelly to @WolfBlitzer on Trump’s wiretap charge: If Trump said it, “he’s got some convincing evidence” VID:…”

No way am I believing this. If Trump & Co actually had proof to support the claim, they would not have sent WH attorneys on an extensive search for the warrant Friday evening. This is not how the process works. Evidence gathering is supposed to happen before an allegation is made. Trump stepped on his d*ck, received major blow-back after doing so, and then decided to go in search of evidence to support his claim. They have zero evidence. If they had any, there would be no way Trump wouldn’t be calling a press conference to “share” it with the nation, and especially with many of knowing that he lacks self-control.

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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:31:41pm

More proof (as if you needed it) that GOPer voters are beyond salvation. Dems need to motivate their base and peel away enough independents to win:

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:31:52pm

Christ, he’s got to be bouncing off the f#@&ing walls after seeing those.
It’s reasonable to question if he even drew 1/3 of the crowd…

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:33:09pm
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majii  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:34:47pm

re: #174 FormerDirtDart

“Christ, he’s got to be bouncing off the f#@&ing walls after seeing those.
It’s reasonable to question if he even drew 1/3 of the crowd…”

Trump lives in an entirely different reality than most of us, so even with the pic showing he had fewer attendees at his inauguration than #44, he’ll stick to his talking point which is that he had a larger crowd than #44.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:35:16pm

Well, it looks like that huge line of tornadoes, hail and damaging winds is on its way through here, running at about 60 mph. Everybody in Illinois better hang on!

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:35:37pm
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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:35:47pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Independents trending up is annoying.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:37:29pm

re: #146 Interesting Times

Think the talking points below are sharp enough to penetrate enough thick skulls to make a dent?

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One can certainly *hope* so, but the mental inertia of wing nuts continues to astound me.

It really is like wading through hardening epoxy. Dense as depleted uranium.

Add your own metaphor here.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:37:43pm

re: #177 retired cynic

Well, it looks like that huge line of tornadoes, hail and damaging winds is on its way through here, running at about 60 mph. Everybody in Illinois better hang on!

Holy shit!

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:39:14pm

re: #175 MsJ

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Yikes. Triggering Article V of the Atlantic Alliance Treaty would be a big deal (both to NATO and to Russia).

If NATO deemed interference in the USA’s and other nation’s elections an attack requiring collective defence, who knows where that might go.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:39:23pm

re: #181 MsJ

Holy shit!

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You may say so!

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:40:12pm

re: #178 MsJ

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Trump doesn’t believe he’s President of the United States, he believes he’s CEO of United States Inc.

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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:42:33pm

re: #179 Belafon

Independents trending up is annoying.

Racist fucks who wanted more competent fascism, perhaps. Or gullible nitwits who fell for his so-called “presidential” speech.

We really need a poll that breaks down independents into the positions they actually support.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:46:03pm

re: #180 austin_blue

One can certainly *hope* so, but the mental inertia of wing nuts continues to astound me.

It really is like wading through hardening epoxy. Dense as depleted uranium.

Add your own metaphor here.

Thicker than a whale omelette*.

(* = tip o’ the hat to the writers of Blackadder the Third)

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:46:09pm

Thread. Still in process. Read it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:46:10pm

re: #179 Belafon

Independents trending up is annoying.

Yeah, what the hell is up with that? Bernie Bros screwing stuff up again?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:47:01pm

Off to work. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:48:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:48:42pm

Just
Keeps
Getting
Better

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:50:33pm
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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:51:34pm

re: #155 Scout

Please forgive my ignorance. How does this relate to Art Deco (if at all)?

Not much. It’s more about this guy:

en.wikipedia.org

and his contemporaries.

You may have seen some of his work…

google.com

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:54:02pm

re: #181 MsJ

The storm was kind of a bust when it blew through my neighborhood about 6:00. The hard line of red kind of broke and the disrupted part went over St. Paul. Some good thunder, a little rain, hardly any of the hard winds that had been forecast. We lucked out again.

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Citizen K  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:54:15pm

re: #179 Belafon

Independents trending up is annoying.

I just don’t…how the hell does it trend up with the shit show going on?

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:54:16pm
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Belafon  Mar 6, 2017 • 8:56:44pm

re: #196 jaunte

I like his twitter banner.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:03:12pm

re: #194 stpaulbear

The storm was kind of a bust when it blew through my neighborhood about 6:00. The hard line of red kind of broke and the disrupted part went over St. Paul. Some good thunder, a little rain, hardly any of the hard winds that had been forecast. We lucked out again.

It looks like it’s going to miss my place in IL too. I’m still keeping my eyes in it.

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:05:43pm

re: #142 stpaulbear

Well I got my postcards written. they’ll get dropped in the mail on my way to work.

I sent the ‘soulless’ message to Ryan, McCarthy, and McConnell (who else on the R side is active in writing this shit?)

I sent a Rah rah reeh! Kick ‘en in the knee! Rah rah ruts! Kick em in the nuts!! message to McCollum, Franken, Klobuchar and Pelosi. And of course said Thank You for representing my issues very well.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:06:06pm
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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:06:52pm

re: #198 MsJ

It looks like it’s going to miss my place in IL too. I’m still keeping my eyes in it.

Here:

radar.weather.gov

Five active tornado warnings.

Be safe!

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:10:46pm

We have two bands scheduled to come over us here, first in about an hour or less, and then another maybe an hour later. I think I’ll just stay up and wait for it!

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:12:29pm

re: #193 austin_blue

Not much. It’s more about this guy:

en.wikipedia.org

and his contemporaries.

You may have seen some of his work…

google.com

By the way. Lizards, if you aren’t familiar with Raymond Loewy, you should click on those links. One of the most remarkable men of the 20th century. What Ella Fitzgerald was to Scat, he was to industrial design.

Hoover, Exxon, Nabisco, Shell, the Avanti Studebaker, locomotives, the livery for the 707 Air Force Ones, a stamp to commemorate Kennedy after this death, pencil sharpeners!

All his.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:15:24pm
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MsJ  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:17:41pm

re: #201 austin_blue

Here:

radar.weather.gov

Five active tornado warnings.

Be safe!

I’m actually in Canada. I own property in IL. So I’m safe but my house… Remains to be seen.

Thanks!!

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:17:47pm
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Scout  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:22:53pm

re: #206 Kragar

Far be it from me to criticize, but I would have gone with this one for the right-hand side:

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:23:09pm

Gotta love the hilarity of it all. The wingnuts are absolutely livid, not because the bill is a betrayal of all that Trump promised…but because it’s not full repeal. They don’t want to peel the band-aid off slow, they want to rip it off and then rub salt in the wound because they think that will lead to “FREEDOM!”

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:29:55pm

So lets see how Trump responds to an actual crisis.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:31:17pm

re: #209 Kragar

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So lets see how Trump responds to an actual crisis.

So far, he has ignored the weather crises that have occurred. Zippo.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:31:19pm

re: #207 Scout

But the Rifftrax version is great!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:34:13pm

re: #209 Kragar

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So lets see how Trump responds to an actual crisis.

Indeed. Most of these are strong GOP states too.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:34:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:46:24pm
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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:46:56pm
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Joe Bacon  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:48:00pm

ROTFLMAO!

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:52:14pm

re: #155 Scout

Please forgive my ignorance. How does this relate to Art Deco (if at all)?

It is a progression from, and reaction to, Art Deco. Formally, it is a style of architecture but the same ideas were adapted to many other products as well, especially by the renowned Raymond Loewy (mentioned earlier by Austin Blue).

Wikipedia describes it pretty well:
Streamline Moderne

As the Great Depression of the 1930s progressed, Americans saw a new aspect of Art Deco—i.e., streamlining, a concept first conceived by industrial designers who stripped Art Deco design of its ornament in favor of the aerodynamic pure-line concept of motion and speed developed from scientific thinking.

…………

Art Deco and Streamline Moderne were not necessarily opposites. Streamline Moderne buildings with a few Deco elements were not uncommon but the prime movers behind streamline design (Raymond Loewy, Walter Dorwin Teague, Gilbert Rohde, Norman Bel Geddes) all disliked Art Deco, seeing it as effete and falsely modern—essentially a fraud.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 9:58:17pm
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Kragar  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:02:50pm
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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:05:18pm

re: #198 MsJ

It looks like it’s going to miss my place in IL too. I’m still keeping my eyes in it.

Well, it won’t be going through my mother’s home in NW Chicago until later … hopefully the storms will collapse as the night wears on. NWS has a Severe Thunderstorm Watch for her area.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:07:54pm
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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:13:55pm

re: #217 Shiplord Kirel

It is a progression from, and reaction to, Art Deco. Formally, it is a style of architecture but the same ideas were adapted to many other products as well, especially by the renowned Raymond Loewy (mentioned earlier by Austin Blue).
Wikipedia describes it pretty well:
Streamline Moderne

…………

Which kind of pisses me off. The Chrysler Building in NYC is the best thing in town.

Well, except for the Trump Tower.

😂

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:16:13pm

Radar covering Illinois doesn’t look good, two active tornado warnings
wunderground.com

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:23:56pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Palmer Report sets off my troll warning sirens. I can’t tell you exactly why, and I could be mistaken, but something about this Twitter feed doesn’t smell right to me.

Coincidentally I brought it up yesterday to demonstrate sloppy pseudojournalism about Russia

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Moebym  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:28:13pm

Recycling odious filth won’t remove the stink, but some people’s sense of “smell” isn’t what it should be.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:34:21pm

re: #31 Scottish Dragon

I think AngryWHstaffer is genuine.

There is no evidence for it though.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:46:38pm

The line passed through, and all is well. Right here, small hail, some winds, some rain (which we needed). Lost satellite internet for an hour, but otherwise, whew! Hope everyone else fared as well!

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:50:24pm

re: #227 retired cynic

The line passed through, and all is well. Right here, small hail, some winds, some rain (which we needed). Lost satellite internet for an hour, but otherwise, whew! Hope everyone else fared as well!

I’m still watching the Lincoln, Ill. radar - they just put up a severe thunderstorm warning for greater Chicago.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 10:56:43pm

re: #228 Anymouse

I’m still watching the Lincoln, Ill. radar - they just put up a severe thunderstorm warning for greater Chicago.

We’re just heading into the secondary band, which is wider, but not so violent. Yep, Chicago is about to catch it. Looks like the worst is going to go toward the north side.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:01:29pm

Kentucky bill would effectively re-segregate schools.
washingtonpost.com

The bill would abolish integration achieved by school bussing, requiring neighbourhood schools.

It would particularly affect one of the most successful school integration experiments in the nation (Jefferson County).

The bill has passed the Senate with all Republicans voting in favour but one. All Democrats opposed it. It now goes to the Kentucky House.

State Rep. Kevin D. Bratcher (R), sponsor of the bill, said it aims to bring common sense to a system that is unfair to children who can’t get into schools around the corner or across the street from where they live. Bratcher, who is white and represents part of Jefferson County, said he is sensitive to concerns about resegregation.

“But we have to look at what we’re giving up for desegregation,” he said. It’s harder for children in faraway schools to participate in extracurricular activities, he said, and for their parents to make it to PTA meetings and teacher conferences. What’s more, he said, busing costs student time and taxpayer money that could be better spent.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:03:32pm

re: #227 retired cynic

The line passed through, and all is well. Right here, small hail, some winds, some rain (which we needed). Lost satellite internet for an hour, but otherwise, whew! Hope everyone else fared as well!

Looks like the worst of it right now is south of Saint Louis and down into northern Arkiesaw.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:09:56pm

re: #230 Anymouse

Kentucky bill would effectively re-segregate schools.
washingtonpost.com

The bill would abolish integration achieved by school bussing, requiring neighbourhood schools.

It would particularly affect one of the most successful school integration experiments in the nation (Jefferson County).

The bill has passed the Senate with all Republicans voting in favour but one. All Democrats opposed it. It now goes to the Kentucky House.

“Could be better spent” is an incomplete sentence. The missing part being “Could be better spent paying for new sports stadiums and equipment because we sure as fuck aren’t going to spend it on things like teacher’s salaries.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:11:42pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

“Could be better spent” is an incomplete sentence. The missing part being “Could be better spent paying for new sports stadiums and equipment because we sure as fuck aren’t going to spend it on things like teacher’s salaries.

That, and after the Supreme Court struck down enforced bussing, the residents of the school district consistently voted for school board candidates that favoured a voluntary programme.

The Party of Local Control and School Choice is all in favour of those things, except when it gets in the way of their agenda.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:18:43pm

Because of course… .
cnn.com
More at CNN:

Donald Trump’s chief White House strategist Steve Bannon said in 2013 that Sen. Joseph McCarthy was right in his 1950s campaign claiming widespread Communist infiltration into the United States government.
The Wisconsin senator’s inquisitions of those he suspected of communist ties — which eventually led to his censure by the United States Senate — was a key moment in the Red Scare and led to the coining of the term “McCarthyism.”
Over the weekend, President Trump accused former President Obama of McCarthyism, making the unsubstantiated allegation the president wiretapped his phones in Trump Tower during the campaign.

Bannon made his comments in July 2013 while interviewing conservative pundit Diane West about her book “American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation’s Character.”

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wheat-dogg  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:19:56pm

The KY resegegration bill makes me sick to my stomach. It’s going to put Louisville Metro into the same chaos as the busing scheme did 40 years ago.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:24:53pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

Kentucky would rather spend its money on a Noah’s Ark creationism temple.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:25:13pm

re: #235 wheat-dogg

The KY resegegration bill makes me sick to my stomach. It’s going to put Louisville Metro into the same chaos as the busing scheme did 40 years ago.

Louisville managed to fight back the White Citizens’ Council, the Ku Klux Klan, and even the Supreme Court, but apparently will fall to the Republican Party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:26:41pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

An ugly deterrent for sure ‘dammitfrank. No disguise to it at all because they want it clear. And it is terrorism in the sense they may not even do it as much as just threaten. That makes it psych ops. It’s some dirty shit and very unAmerican.

There are tourist families from other countries now afraid to come to the USA for fear of being separated.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:27:33pm

re: #235 wheat-dogg

The KY resegegration bill makes me sick to my stomach. It’s going to put Louisville Metro into the same chaos as the busing scheme did 40 years ago.

Any chance it can be overturned by the courts?

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:27:44pm

re: #236 freetoken

Kentucky would rather spend its money on a Noah’s Ark creationism temple.

Nah, much like the rest of the country, school districts these days love spending any free money in the budget on new sports equipment and stadiums. Why? Because those are the only ways they can usually bring any funding into the schools that isn’t reliant upon dickheads feeling generous for one year.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:28:51pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

It’s not an either/or choice on how to subvert education!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:33:15pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Trump doesn’t believe he’s President of the United States, he believes he’s CEO of United States Inc.

and he wants all government employees to sign NDAs

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:33:57pm

re: #239 retired cynic

Any chance it can be overturned by the courts?

Maybe, after millions of dollars and years are wasted. But it was the Supreme Court that struck down the forced bussing issue. Something tells me our current Supreme Court would go all in on the “neighbourhood schools” argument and ignore the fact that the voters in Louisville continually select board members that support the current voluntary scheme.

They were still fighting desegregation in Norfolk, VA when I was stationed in Virginia Beach in 1986 (that case was the first that allowed a school system to dismantle desegregation rules).

littlejohnexplorers.com

If the plaintiffs could not show that the School Board’s decision to discontinue cross-town busing was intended to benefit white elementary students at the expense of black elementary students — and thus was “racially motivated” — could it be said that the decision endangered the Fourteenth Amendment rights of the black students? On this question, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals again found itself in agreement with the District Court. Judge Widener wrote that the School Board’s decision to end elementary busing may have a deleterious effect on African American students, but if the plaintiffs could not prove an intent to discriminate, there was no constitutional violation. “This purpose, or intent to discriminate,” Widener said, “marks the difference between de facto and de jure segregation”14 — the former being legal, the latter illegal.

With these words, Judge Widener closed Riddick v. School Board of the City of Norfolk (1986), the first federal decision to permit a school district to dismantle its desegregation plan. Six months later, in September 1986, the cross-town busing of elementary school children ended in Norfolk, and ten all-black elementary schools appeared on the city’s books.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:37:16pm

re: #243 Anymouse

Maybe, after millions of dollars and years are wasted. But it was the Supreme Court that struck down the forced bussing issue. Something tells me our current Supreme Court would go all in on the “neighbourhood schools” argument and ignore the fact that the voters in Louisville continually select board members that support the current voluntary scheme.

They were still fighting desegregation in Norfolk, VA when I was stationed in Virginia Beach in 1986 (that case was the first that allowed a school system to dismantle desegregation rules).

littlejohnexplorers.com

So long as he continues to cling to the un-life that he sold his soul to achieve, you can count on Kennedy to be in favor of “states rights” if this case ever reaches the bench.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:38:33pm

Heh. I just made this one.

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Anymouse  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:40:08pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

So long as he continues to cling to the un-life that he sold his soul to achieve, you can count on Kennedy to be in favor of “states rights” if this case ever reaches the bench.

Back to that “local control” except when it clashes with their agenda.

I strongly suspect a lot of voters are quite fine with the idea of resegregating schools in Kentucky.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:45:23pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2017 • 11:59:48pm

Pushing 3AM in Pittsburgh. We’re 8/12ths through a 2500 mile funeral march in Trump’s America. Looking carefully at the politiscape. Our country is fucked.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:02:29am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Pushing 3AM in Pittsburgh. We’re 8/12ths through a 2500 mile funeral march in Trump’s America. Looking carefully at the politiscape. Our country is fucked.

Well, I’m wondering what will happen when my wife and I try to cross the Canadian border later in the Spring (or worse, when we come back). The border crossing we use from Montana to Saskatchewan is pretty lonely and they don’t have anything better to do… .

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Decatur Deb  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:06:58am

re: #249 Anymouse

Well, I’m wondering what will happen when my wife and I try to cross the Canadian border later in the Spring (or worse, when we come back). The border crossing we use from Montana to Saskatchewan is pretty lonely and they don’t have anything better to do… .

Get a Haudenosaunee visa. Works like a charm.

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:07:05am
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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:10:21am

re: #251 Anymouse

Frankly, it may never come back to “bite” Ryan. Ryan is reelected by his Wisconsin base, many of whom would probably rather run Khan out of the country.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:13:12am

Russian Hackers Said to Be Seeking Extortion Money from Liberal Groups:
stripes.com (March 6, more at Stars and Stripes):

Russian hackers are targeting U.S. progressive groups in a new wave of attacks, scouring the organizations’ emails for embarrassing details and attempting to extract hush money, according to two people familiar with probes being conducted by the FBI and private security firms.

At least a dozen groups have faced extortion attempts since the U.S. presidential election, said the people, who provided broad outlines of the campaign. The ransom demands are accompanied by samples of sensitive data in the hackers’ possession.

In one case, a non-profit group and a prominent liberal donor discussed how to use grant money to cover some costs for anti-Trump protesters. The identities were not disclosed, and it’s unclear if the protesters were paid.

At least some groups have paid the ransoms even though there is little guarantee the documents won’t be made public anyway. Demands have ranged from about $30,000 to $150,000, payable in untraceable bitcoins, according to one of the people familiar with the probe.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:21:56am

USA Today’s above the fold front-page headline: “GOP plan rips up the ACA.”

Not “revises” or “changes,” but “rips up.” And note that they’re pointing out that it’s the ACA being ripped up, “Obamacare” as the GOP has tried to emphasize in order to con the base into thinking there’s a distinct difference between what they want to get rid of and what is helping millions of Americans.

This bill may very well be DOA, if only because Senators will run to save their own asses.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:22:37am

Bitcoin payments are to some extent traceable and not completely anonymous.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:24:49am

re: #255 wheat-dogg

Bitcoin payments are to some extent traceable and not completely anonymous.

I don’t know enough about bitcoin to say one way or another, but the point of bitcoin is pretty much to hide money from governments.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:29:04am

Every bitcoin transaction is recorded in a public ledger called the blockchain. It is possible to track IP addresses using the ledger. Mostly bitcoin evades normal capital controls imposed by governments on financial transactions. Bitcoin is driving China nuts for that reason.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:29:28am

Kind of makes me feel like a dumb ass for working uninterrupted for 31 years, living within my means, staying out of debt, not having children, going to college, attempting to save money. When all it takes is one fucking illness until I/we hit 65 (20 years from now) to destroy it all. Becoming a total fuck up seems to be more productive.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:34:29am

I knew Lindsey Graham would cave. Party before country.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:42:29am

re: #257 wheat-dogg

Every bitcoin transaction is recorded in a public ledger called the blockchain. It is possible to track IP addresses using the ledger. Mostly bitcoin evades normal capital controls imposed by governments on financial transactions. Bitcoin is driving China nuts for that reason.

What happens if someone accesses the blockchain via Tor or some other service (for example, I have a service which will impose an IP from a different nation by going through someone else’s server first)

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Moebym  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:43:59am

I just discovered this poem written by a 10-year-old autistic boy about a year ago. Although I don’t have autism, this deeply resonated with me.

Facebook Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:53:56am

re: #249 Anymouse

Well, I’m wondering what will happen when my wife and I try to cross the Canadian border later in the Spring (or worse, when we come back). The border crossing we use from Montana to Saskatchewan is pretty lonely and they don’t have anything better to do… .

Are you recalling the scene with the lonely Turkish officer in Lawrence of Arabia?

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:57:18am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Are you recalling the scene with the lonely Turkish officer in Lawrence of Arabia?

I haven’t seen that movie. (Yes, I am uncultured.)

The nearest border crossing to us is way out in the middle of nowhere. Canada and the US use the same building (with one agent each). Canada provides its agents houses along the border to live in because the nearest town over 200 is Regina, a long way away.

The last time we came into the USA from there we were asked if we were smuggling guns in our Smart car into Montana. (They really must be bored.)

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:58:05am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:00:59am

re: #264 Anymouse

This from a sitting congressman about the president of the United States is extraordinary. How can we have gotten here?

At least we didn’t choose the lesser of two evils.

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:08:00am

re: #265 Decatur Deb

At least we didn’t choose the lesser of two evils.

Nope. We could have elected the woman who’s E-mail server was not broken into, instead of a fascist talking yam and his sidekick with an AOL account for government business. /not funny

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Anymouse  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:09:19am

I need to hit the rack, y’all.

Hopefully the ICBMs going up around my house won’t wake me up later… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:13:53am

re: #266 Anymouse

Nope. We could have elected the woman who’s E-mail server was not broken into, instead of a fascist talking yam and his sidekick with an AOL account for government business. /not funny

Our system elected the Yam. Because he knew how to game it to his advantage. But yes, some day this all of his dirty dealings and deals with unsavory foreign plutocrats will come out and we will all shake our heads…

This from a recent New Yorker:

DONALD TRUMP’S WORST DEAL
The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

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Varek Raith  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:20:55am

re: #165 BigPapa

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What a twist!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:24:45am

re: #260 Anymouse

What happens if someone accesses the blockchain via Tor or some other service (for example, I have a service which will impose an IP from a different nation by going through someone else’s server first)

That would make it harder. But the sender’s Bitcoin address and the amount would still be visible. Corresponding amounts could then be searched.

But it’s possible for a recipient to provide an IP address for a Bitcoin mixer, which would split the total amount into many different pieces to foil tracking. Clever criminals would probably use both IP masking and Bitcoin mixing to conceal themselves.

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Varek Raith  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:29:49am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:37:58am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our system elected the Yam. Because he knew how to game it to his advantage. But yes, some day this all of his dirty dealings and deals with unsavory foreign plutocrats will come out and we will all shake our heads…

This from a recent New Yorker:

DONALD TRUMP’S WORST DEAL
The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

I read that article earlier today. You know how real estate people say, “Location, location, location”? The Trump-branded property in Baku is in a shitty area and is apparently very hard to reach by car. Equivalent high-end hotels are in better locations. There is no way that property will turn a profit, and either the developers are total idiots or the hotel is intended as a front for a different kind of business.

Trump’s investment in the property is unclear, but Ivanka paid them a visit personally and the Trump Org paid close attention to the interior design. So, it’s not like he just licensed his name and walked away.

Trump is in deep with criminal forces, I’m convinced of it. If he is, he’s skating on thin ice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:39:49am

re: #273 wheat-dogg

I read that article earlier today. You know how real estate people say, “Location, location, location”? The Trump-branded property in Baku is in a shitty area and is apparently very hard to reach by car. Equivalent high-end hotels are in better locations. There is no way that property will turn a profit, and either the developers are total idiots or the hotel is intended as a front for a different kind of business.

Trump’s investment in the property is unclear, but Ivanka paid them a visit personally and the Trump Org paid close attention to the interior design. So, it’s not like he just licensed his name and walked away.

Trump is in deep with criminal forces, I’m convinced of it. If he is, he’s skating on thin ice.

This is all about money laundering, in the case of the Revolutionary Guard, to avoid sanctions, in the case of the Azeri plutocrats, just business as usual.

I would like to see him wiggle his way out of a connection to the Iranians.

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Teukka  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:40:40am

re: #175 MsJ

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Holee sheeit!
If article V is triggered, we will live in interesting times (in the ancient Chinese curse sense)…

Ron Burgundy - That Escalated Quickly

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:43:09am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is all about money laundering, in the case of the Revolutionary Guard, to avoid sanctions, in the case of the Azeri plutocrats, just business as usual.

I would like to see him wiggle his way out of a connection to the Iranians.

Azeris, Russians, Iranians — all known for playing hardball with people who don’t live up to their side of any deals. Criminal charges are the least of Trump’s worries.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:49:58am

Here’s an old pic of me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 1:53:14am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to see him wiggle his way out of a connection to the Iranians.

Actually, I can hear the spin already: “He couldn’t possibly have any business dealings with Iran or else he would have excluded them from the travel ban, too!”

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 2:44:17am

That annoying problem when you change your profile picture on Facebook, which you’ve used for years, and don’t immediately recognize your own posts when scrolling.

Ditto for here too.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:44:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:45:20am

re: #280 freetoken

was just about to pronounce the thread dead, and FT appears with his IV drip…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 3:58:53am
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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:00:43am

We’re at the end of the Arctic sea ice extent growing season and near the end of the ice volume season (conceivably some sea ice will continue to thicken for a few more weeks), and there is almost no thick, multi-year ice in the Arctic:

Image: arcticictn_nowcast_anim30d.gif

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:07:00am

Oh, and the current La Niña is basically done:

Image: figure4.gif

So the central Pacific surface is expected to slightly warm the rest of the year. Perhaps not quite to El Niño amounts, but it may be close.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:23:03am

Morning all. Here’s your day starters.

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DuckDharma  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:00am

Keep in mind though that Schindler is on Mensch’s wavelength, prone to exaggeration, and claimed about a week ago that “Donald Trump was a KGB agent.”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:27:19am

re: #285 Dave In Austin

Morning all. Here’s your day starters.

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I just heard Dave Brat on NPR (why?, cuz he’s a-conomist, I guess) who said the ACA is in a “death spiral.” He was not challenged on that premise. I don’t get it.

The GOP is like the stern dad lecturing the family on how they can’t afford anything while he reaches for his sherry cask single malt scotch.

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Ming5000  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:30:35am

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blind family dog missing for a week found alive in Santa Cruz mountains

Good thing the pooch had some meat on the bone to start with.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:34:05am

re: #285 Dave In Austin

Morning all. Here’s your day starters.

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The second one comes from Fox & Friends.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:35:47am

re: #287 Barefoot Grin

I just heard Dave Brat on NPR (why?, cuz he’s a-conomist, I guess) who said the ACA is in a “death spiral.” He was not challenged on that premise. I don’t get it.

The GOP is like the stern dad lecturing the family on how they can’t afford anything while he reaches for his sherry cask single malt scotch.

Because the vast majority of news people have no educational or practical expertise in any field other communications and can’t be bothered to do any research?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:44:04am

GOP Rep. Chaffetz: Americans may need to choose between “new iphone… they just love” and investing in health care.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:45:00am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

Because the vast majority of news people have no educational or practical expertise in any field other communications and can’t be bothered to do any research?

That’s true. Also, Brat—in his typical fashion—just blustered away (he wasn’t about to let that lady get in his grill) so that by the time a fair question could be asked he was already onto his second or third baseless point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:51:26am

re: #292 Barefoot Grin

That’s true. Also, Brat—in his typical fashion—just blustered away (he wasn’t about to let that lady get in his grill) so that by the time a fair question could be asked he was already onto his second or third baseless point items that are now indisputably accepted and re-tweeted all over the RW blogopshphere.

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I cannot.  Mar 7, 2017 • 4:57:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:00:38am

re: #294 I cannot.

People associate the Mad Max aesthetic with post-apocalyptic fashion, and that is decidedly BDSM in appearance.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:02:21am

NPR is less than worthless, ceding to right wing talking points and MBF all things.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:05:11am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People associate the Mad Max aesthetic with post-apocalyptic fashion, and that is decidedly BDSM in appearance.

I think Space Nazis, but that’s mainly because of Farscape.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:07:47am

re: #296 Amory Blaine

NPR is less than worthless, ceding to right wing talking points and MBF all things.

NPR does well with non-political coverage, but once it delves into DC politics it’s not much better than CNN or MSNBC.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:09:55am

re: #291 Ace Rothstein

GOP Rep. Chaffetz: Americans may need to choose between “new iphone… they just love” and investing in health care.

Hey Jason, before the subsidy that the ACA provides me, my health insurance plan costs just over $350/month. That’s an iPhone every other month. If you’re buying an iPhone that often, then you’ve got problems.

But what do I really expect from the party that thinks the federal budget can be talked about as if it were a household budget?

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:15:44am

EAT YOUR PEAS!!

The roll out seems to be going well…..

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I cannot.  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:20:54am

re: #300 b.d.

*set capslock to stun*

THE CHOICE BETWEEN BUYING AN IPHONE THAT I LIKE, VERSUS PAYING FOR HEALTHCARE THAT I NEED TO LIVE?!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:22:47am

re: #301 I cannot.

*set capslock to stun*

THE CHOICE BETWEEN BUYING AN IPHONE THAT I LIKE, VERSUS PAYING FOR HEALTHCARE THAT I NEED TO LIVE?!

I would gladly watch my wife/children die for want of medical care rather than do without the latest updated iPhone…

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:26:26am

So it’s not even been 24 hours and the GOP is basically admitting that this “replacement” won’t mean lower costs for Americans.

Imagine my surprise./////

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:27:56am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:29:23am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would gladly watch my wife/children die for want of medical care rather than do without the latest updated iPhone…

These assholes have no %@$#%$#@% idea what it is like to live on a low income in the US. No fucking idea.

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:30:30am

re: #299 Targetpractice

Hey Jason, before the subsidy that the ACA provides me, my health insurance plan costs just over $350/month. That’s an iPhone every other month. If you’re buying an iPhone that often, then you’ve got problems.

But what do I really expect from the party that thinks the federal budget can be talked about as if it were a household budget?

In a twisted way, Chaffetz has a point, of sorts.

Americans — esp. Trump voters — are going to have to die — literally — in order to learn the value of socialized health care and stop voting for the GOP.

I wish there was a way to protect blue voters but there isn’t. Even right now red voters approve of Trump by something like 80%. It will take Herbert Hoover-like, GRAPES OF WRATH-type mysery to bring these people to their senses. Nothing less will.

Until they’ve reached the die-in-the-dirt stage, they’ll keep voting for the psychopaths because Jesus something.

So get ready, it’s going to get ugly.

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jeffreyw  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:32:59am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:33:13am

I don’t get what these elected morons are thinking (if at all) - if hundreds of thousands if not millions of GOP supporters in red states start dying without access to healthcare, who’s gonna remain to vote for them? Also, what makes them think those they’re gonna get killed won’t try to settle the score with them for having signed their death warrants before they kick the bucket?
People with nothing left to lose are the most dangerous people in the world, and they’ll be creating LOADS of them….

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:36:10am
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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:38:00am

There’s one more nation that is affected by the new and improved Muslim ban…Canada…she’s Canadian born…to Indian parents.

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:38:18am

re: #308 Archangelus

I don’t get what these elected morons are thinking (if at all) - if hundreds of thousands if not millions of GOP supporters in red states start dying without access to healthcare, who’s gonna remain to vote for them? If anything, what makes them think those they’re gonna get killed won’t try to settle the score with those who signed their death warrants?
People with nothing left to lose are the most dangerous people in the world, and they’ll be creating LOADS of them….

They’re thinking short-term, always. More money for them now. Who cares how many die as a result.

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William Lewis  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:40:32am

re: #300 b.d.

I think the American people need to choose between scum like him and congress critters that actually do their job…

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:41:05am

re: #310 darthstar

There’s one more nation that is affected by the new and improved Muslim ban…Canada…she’s Canadian born…to Indian parents.

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Calling it a “Muslim Ban” assumes that the Daffy Ducks at the CBP can actually identify authentic “Muslims”.

As always we assume too much. “Non-White Ban” is more accurate.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:41:34am

re: #308 Archangelus

I don’t get what these elected morons are thinking (if at all) - if hundreds of thousands if not millions of GOP supporters in red states start dying without access to healthcare, who’s gonna remain to vote for them? Also, what makes them think those they’re gonna get killed won’t try to settle the score with them for having signed their death warrants before they kick the bucket?
People with nothing left to lose are the most dangerous people in the world, and they’ll be creating LOADS of them….

They’re thinking the same thing they always think: That as mad as their base may get over this, they won’t dare vote for a Democrat on the ballot. And so far, they’ve been absolutely correct.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:41:36am

re: #300 b.d.

EAT YOUR PEAS!!

[Embedded content]

The roll out seems to be going well…..

What a patronizing dick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:42:45am

Time to repeat my mantra:

Things will have to get worse, catastrophically so, before they can even start to get even the slightest bit better.

People will die from lack of health care.

People will be killed by vigilantes and domestic terrorists who are emboldened by racist and xenophobic propaganda, and aided/abetted by LEO’s who no longer feel compelled to care.

And if we back DT too far into a corner, there will be some military action some where just to draw the heat off him and his surrogates.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:44:29am

re: #287 Barefoot Grin

I just heard Dave Brat on NPR (why?, cuz he’s a-conomist, I guess) who said the ACA is in a “death spiral.” He was not challenged on that premise. I don’t get it.

The GOP is like the stern dad lecturing the family on how they can’t afford anything while he reaches for his sherry cask single malt scotch.

Yep these guys all live the good life but yet think they can lecture other Americans.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:44:54am

re: #313 Lupin

Calling it a “Muslim Ban” assumes that the Daffy Ducks at the CBP can actually identify authentic “Muslims”.

As always we assume too much. “Non-White Ban” is more accurate.

Brown Ban. But what gets me about this example is she’s clearly not an immigrant, and Candians have enjoyed day-tripping to the US for years…as have Americans going north.

Did we replace all of our customs agents with Trumpers overnight?

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:45:07am

re: #301 I cannot.

*set capslock to stun*

THE CHOICE BETWEEN BUYING AN IPHONE THAT I LIKE, VERSUS PAYING FOR HEALTHCARE THAT I NEED TO LIVE?!

The guy obviously has no idea what a iphone costs nor how much Trumpcare will cost but he is telling his poor, working constituents that he they have to suffer because they have to do away with Obamacare for no rational reason?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:45:22am

re: #314 Targetpractice

They’re thinking the same thing they always think: That as mad as their base may get over this, they won’t dare vote for a Democrat on the ballot. And so far, they’ve been absolutely correct.

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:46:07am

re: #318 darthstar

Brown Ban. But what gets me about this example is she’s clearly not an immigrant, and Candians have enjoyed day-tripping to the US for years…as have Americans going north.

Did we replace all of our customs agents with Trumpers overnight?

No, but recent rulings brought out the Inner Trump among many of our customs agents. They have been wanting to do this for years…

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:46:55am

re: #311 Lupin

They’re thinking short-term, always. More money for them now. Who cares how many die as a result.

Fact No. 1: Dying people make for people with nothing left to lose.

Fact No. 2: Those are the most dangerous people in the world. I would know - such people almost got me killed six times in the Middle East.

Fact No. 3: It’s WAAAAAAAYYYY more easier to get weapons and ammunition back home in the United States.

If Republican officials manage to make it through four years without casualties on account of supporters turning on them, I’ll be amazed.
Also happy, since violence isn’t the way to go. Sadly, I don’t see this outcome happening…

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:50:40am

re: #318 darthstar

Brown Ban. But what gets me about this example is she’s clearly not an immigrant, and Candians have enjoyed day-tripping to the US for years…as have Americans going north.

Did we replace all of our customs agents with Trumpers overnight?

My guess is, we’ve been recruiting a lot of barely educated idiots for years. The kind that think “France” is a city, or “Africa” a country. That plus “power” is an explosive combination.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:50:48am

I think Fox and Friends is Trump’s new PressSec

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:52:04am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to repeat my mantra:

Things will have to get worse, catastrophically so, before they can even start to get even the slightest bit better.

People will die from lack of health care.

People will be killed by vigilantes and domestic terrorists who are emboldened by racist and xenophobic propaganda, and aided/abetted by LEO’s who no longer feel compelled to care.

And if we back DT too far into a corner, there will be some military action some where just to draw the heat off him and his surrogates.

I couldn’t agree more. 80% of the Trump voters live in an alternate reality. The only way to break through it will be a series of catastrophic events, electroshocks if you will.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:52:47am

re: #326 Lupin

I couldn’t agree more. 80% of the Trump voters live in an alternate reality. The only way to break through it will be a series of catastrophic events, electroshocks if you will.

I’ve had a similar thought about the electorate going to the economic left.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:54:03am
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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:54:59am

re: #291 Ace Rothstein

GOP Rep. Chaffetz: Americans may need to choose between “new iphone… they just love” and investing in health care.

So, what you’re saying is that we can either crash the economy so we can have health care, or die with a phone in our hand. It’s odd how we didn’t have to make that choice after the ACA.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:57:06am

re: #328 darthstar

I wonder if Aqua Buddha has somehow dimly realized most of his constituency will be royally pissed if the ACA is gutted. McConnell doesn’t care, it seems, but Paul is the junior member and more vulnerable come election time.

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Lupin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:57:25am

re: #322 Archangelus

If Republican officials manage to make it through four years without casualties on account of supporters turning on them, I’ll be amazed.

I think it’ll take more than what’s currently on the table to penetrate their bubble.

Let me quote from Historian Laurence Rees:

Which leaves us once again with one of the enduring mysteries of WW2 - why did the Nazi regime hold out until the spring of 1945 when Red Army soldiers were just yards from Hitler’s bunker in Berlin? After all, Mussolini had been ousted in the autumn of 1943, as soon as the Italians realized which way the war was going. So why couldn’t the Germans have got rid of Hitler at the same time?

The answer to that question tells us a great deal about the way revolutions can happen - or not happen - and how dictators can fall. Ultimately there were two crucial reasons why Hitler was not brought down by the popular discontent for the war which no doubt existed in Germany after the defeat at Stalingrad in early 1943. The first reason is practical, the second is institutional.

The practical reason has to do with the simple lack of alternatives available to the Germans. By attacking the Soviet Union and treating the Soviet population so appallingly, the Germans had unleashed a tidal wave of hatred which was coming their way. Would removing Hitler and surrendering to the approaching Red Army be any better than simply fighting on for as long as possible and hoping for the best? Senior Nazis, in particular, had ‘burnt their boats’ by 1943 and had little to gain by removing Hitler. As for the army leadership, the question of what to do about the war in the East was one of the concerns of the army officers who plotted against Hitler and tried to blow him up in July 1944. There was a fantasy amongst some of them that the Western Allies could have been persuaded, once Hitler was no longer there, to ally themselves with the German army and then turn against Stalin. But it was just that - a fantasy.

The institutional reason has to do with the nature of the Nazi state. Unlike in Italy where there were structures within the political system which could challenge Mussolini (like the King and the Fascist Grand Council), Hitler had always taken care to destroy - as far as he could - any possible power group who could think independently and move to remove him. The only one he had failed to eliminate was the army officer corps, and so it was no accident that the only attempted coup against him came from that quarter.

In the last two years of the Nazi regime German citizens suffered appallingly - not just because of the Allied bombardment, but because of the oppression of the Gestapo and their associates. Hitler was determined to bring the world - or at least Germany - down with him if he could.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:58:53am

My first impression of Antonio French came in the early moments of Ferguson when most of us were clinging to twitter and LGF through the uneasy nights. Well, today is the St. Louis Mayoral primary and Antonio is on the ballot.

If you know someone in St. Louis or are there yourself, consider a vote for Antonio.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 5:59:39am

re: #331 Lupin

I think it’ll take more than what’s currently on the table to penetrate their bubble.

Let me quote from Historian Laurence Rees:

Good accessment of the history.

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:02:05am

re: #325 darthstar

I think Fox and Friends is Trump’s new PressSec

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Phase 2 & 3 of the healthcare roll out will have the stuff you want…trust me…vote on this now though…you’ll see!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:02:35am

re: #331 Lupin

I think it’ll take more than what’s currently on the table to penetrate their bubble.

Let me quote from Historian Laurence Rees:

…In the last two years of the Nazi regime German citizens suffered appallingly - not just because of the Allied bombardment, but because of the oppression of the Gestapo and their associates. Hitler was determined to bring the world - or at least Germany - down with him if he could.

And Hitler, in his last Will and Testament, stated that the German people deserved to be wiped out because they had failed to implement his perverted ideology of world domination

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:04:40am

Fell better now?….

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:05:55am

Sorry, wrong paste. Need more coffee.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:06:00am

re: #314 Targetpractice

Adding on to your comment, it’s important to acknowledge that’s people had a choice between a party which vowed to repeal the ACA a party which promised to fix the ACA. They voted can for the killers.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:06:29am

re: #337 Charles Johnson

This is the code that unlocks the secret chamber under the Denver airport?

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:06:31am

re: #336 b.d.

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Fell better now?….

Trumpcare is such a success that I going to not even talk about you and promise you a bunch of other stuff

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:07:07am

re: #337 Charles Johnson

822414

re: #339 freetoken

This is the code that unlocks the secret chamber under the Denver airport?

Dead man’s switch!!!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:08:27am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:08:27am

re: #334 b.d.

Phase 2 & 3 of the healthcare roll out will have the stuff you want…trust me…vote on this now though…you’ll see!

Phase 1 will thin the herd, so Phases 2 and 3 won’t cost so much.

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I cannot.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:09:05am

re: #336 b.d.

They’re called generics, Donny…either that or cross-border purchases.

They’re not new things.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:10:50am

re: #344 I cannot.

They’re called generics, Donny…either that or cross-border purchases.

They’re not new things.

The only way to bring down pharmaceutical costs would be … single payer insurance. I really doubt Big Pharma is going to agree to cutting prices to suit Yam-head.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:14:45am

Again… only when the GOP in Congress have to do something to save their own skin, will they actually do anything about Trump’s dangerous incompetence.

Until then, the Republicans will be glad to fiddle while twidiot Trump deconstructs America.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:15:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:15:53am

re: #346 freetoken

Again… only when the GOP in Congress have to do something to save their own skin, will they actually do anything about Trump’s dangerous incompetence.

Until then, the Republicans will be glad to fiddle while twidiot Trump deconstructs America.

He is helping them fulfill their dream of dismantling the New Deal, and they have already made visible progress…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:15:59am

re: #300 b.d.

EAT YOUR PEAS!!

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The roll out seems to be going well…..

I am old enough to remember the GOP attacking Obama for saying you could get health insurance coverage under the ACA for less than your monthly cell phone bill.

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:18:01am

heh, doesn’t this guy have a job?

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:19:19am

re: #350 b.d.

heh, doesn’t this guy have a job?

He’s the minister of propaganda.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:20:15am

re: #350 b.d.

That tweet reads like it is out of the Dead Parrot sketch.

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I cannot.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:20:56am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:21:02am

re: #184 Targetpractice

Trump doesn’t believe he’s President of the United States, he believes he’s CEO of United States Inc.

Well, that fits in well with all the sovereign citizens folx.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:21:08am

The diabetic with an iPhone is the new welfare queen driving a Cadillac.

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:21:16am

re: #351 Belafon

He’s the minister of propaganda.

de nile
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:23:59am

Welcome to the wonderful world of #GOPDontCare. They don’t care that your health care costs will soar through the roof or that their replacement “plan” is a half-assed shit show where they cover less and you end up paying more while insurers get to collect the new and improved 30% individual mandate surcharge (an individual mandate by any other name is still an individual mandate, even when you’re paying it to the insurer directly instead of supporting the subsidies for everyone else).

Trump’s making promises he can’t keep - and doesn’t even know he can’t keep. He’s making this monstrosity his own:

The GOP is in civil war mode because you’ve got people like Rand saying that even the half-assed GOPDontCare plan is too much.

Everywhere you look the GOPDontCare plan is substantively worse than Obamacare it is intended to replace.

It will not cover as much as Obamacare.
It will end up costing more than Obamacare.
It will add to the national debt.
It will create decreasing block grants for Medicaid over time that will end up starving health care for Seniors.
It will increase the number of uninsureds.
It will adversely affect millions who have employer based coverage.

But insurers will get to get back their deduction for CEOs compensated more than $500k a year. And the GOP gets to claim that they killed Obamacare.

They just don’t want people realizing that it will kill a lot of their fellow Americans.

But leave it to Jason Chaffetz to have the last word - you will need to choose between your iPhone and health coverage:

That’s right folks. That $500 iPhone or health coverage that will still leave you staring at a medically induced bankruptcy because the GOPDontCare plan (which Trump’s saying will include purchasing across state lines in a race to the bottom) wont cover these things nearly as well as the current plans do.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:24:30am

America, 2017:

On final day to file bills, Ark. legislators introduce slew of shell bills

[…]

HB2050: To allow public schools to teach creationism and intelligent design as theories alongside the theory of evolution

Filed by Representative Mary Bentley (R-Perryville), HB2050 is designed to amend Arkansas code to allow teachers to teach creationism and intelligent design as theories.

[…]

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:25:21am
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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:26:22am

Give up your iphone so a billionaire can get a tax cut sounds like a plan all Americans will rush to get behind…

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:26:42am

Rand Paul y’all:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:30:50am

re: #361 lawhawk

Rand Paul y’all:

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If I know Rand, it’s not craptastic enough.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:32:10am

re: #360 b.d.

Give up your iphone so a billionaire can get a tax cut sounds like a plan all Americans will rush to get behind…

The Dems need to use that language. I’m skeptical of populism in general but I think it will take that to bring down this part of Trump.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:32:17am

re: #361 lawhawk

Isn’t this all just posturing? First off, Paul was just re-elected so he doesn’t have to worry about being thrown out of office. Second of all, he knows that the Dems in the Senate will deep six any plan from the House, so when the House proposal fails, Paul can claim that it was he who stopped it, his constituents probably not knowing better.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:32:17am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

That’s the point. He wants it gone entirely. #GOPDontCare is too much compassionate conservatism for even him.

These fuckers are heartless bastards who don’t care who dies and how many die as a result of their cold blooded fixation on tax cuts for those least in need of them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:33:40am

re: #365 lawhawk

That’s the point. He wants it gone entirely. #GOPDontCare is too much compassionate conservatism for even him.

These fuckers are heartless bastards who don’t care who dies and how many die as a result of their cold blooded fixation on tax cuts for those least in need of them.

Yeah sorry LH haven’t had my coffee yet. Goddamn these guys suck.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:42:24am

re: #364 freetoken

Isn’t this all just posturing? First off, Paul was just re-elected so he doesn’t have to worry about being thrown out of office. Second of all, he knows that the Dems in the Senate will deep six any plan from the House, so when the House proposal fails, Paul can claim that it was he who stopped it, his constituents probably not knowing better.

Republicans are trying to pass it through reconciliation. They can’t count on the Dems scuttling it.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:42:35am

re: #364 freetoken

I’m sure there’s posturing there, but Paul’s not the only one who thinks that even this is too much. There’s a bunch of House GOPers who aren’t fans of this approach either.

And like I said, the surcharge is an individual mandate by another name. These fuckers spent years suing over the presence of the individual mandate, and now they include it as a way to make sure people are financially on the hook for getting continuous care.

Never mind that this is more onerous than the ACA individual mandate charges or that this is rank hypocrisy, but it goes to show that the GOP has no intention of helping people gain coverage that’s equivalent to what they have now. They want people to think that they’ve got the appearance of coverage.

That’s also why they’ve back-loaded all the real horrors - like the block grants that decrease over time, so that will force states to cut harshly. It means health care providers like nursing homes will see significant job cuts as they lose a major funding source.

It’s a total cockup, and it’s all on the GOP and Trump. Paul may think he’s blameless in all this, but he’s pushing an even more radical position - a total fuck you to all his constituents.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:47:18am

re: #367 Belafon

Republicans are trying to pass it through reconciliation.

That sounds like it will be almost impossible. I thought there was already a list of Republican Senators (not including Paul) who had stated this or that objection to the House plan?

While sadly the Democrats fell short of getting 50 Senators, they are only a couple of 50, so it seems like it wouldn’t be that hard to get just one or two Republicans to at least consider not going ahead with this scheme.

Given the good ol’ boy club nature of the Senate, it seems to me that any Republican Senator who ever wanted this or that agenda item of theirs to go forward, will not want to scuttle the entire procedure of the Senate.

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mmmirele  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:47:47am

re: #296 Amory Blaine

NPR is less than worthless, ceding to right wing talking points and MBF all things.

I’ve been calling them Nice Polite Republicans since early in the W administration.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:50:20am

re: #370 mmmirele

I’ve been calling them Nice Polite Republicans since early in the W administration.

I do wonder how much of that though is because we’ve all decided to stop donating. Very much like the Washington Post doing a much better job since the election because so many of us have bought subscriptions. You go where the money is, and if people don’t donate, then they have to go with more corporate sponsors.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:50:37am
The National Park Service on Monday released dozens of photographs of President Donald Trump’s inauguration that appear to counter Trump’s claim that up to 1.5 million attended the event at the Capitol and National Mall.

The photos were released in response to news media requests made through the Freedom of Information Act. The park service also released photos from President Barack Obama’s two inaugurations. The photos show the 2009 event far outstripped the number of people who attended Trump’s inauguration.

While there are no time stamps, the photos clearly show crowds gathering near the Capitol’s West Front stage for the ceremony. Crowds did not extend to the Washington Monument as Trump later asserted. Large swaths of empty space are visible on the Mall.

wtop.com

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:52:39am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:52:40am

re: #347 Charles Johnson

I thought state lines were the greatest thing ever, “states rights” and all like that. Now getting rid of state lines/rights is good?

//

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:53:04am
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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:56:57am

Cursory look around and the RWNJ are adapting quickly to the news. Expanding their circle of hate to include poor Trump voters that have been “mooching long enough”.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:58:45am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!

— Donald J. Trump

Speaking of battlefield, what are you doing about ISIS?

/

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 6:59:58am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:01:09am

re: #376 Amory Blaine

Cursory look around and the RWNJ are adapting quickly to the news. Expanding their circle of hate to include poor Trump voters that have been “mooching long enough”.

Selling out their own base, the GOP way!

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:01:35am

re: #378 FormerDirtDart

How else are they going to pay for the SS?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:01:40am

re: #378 FormerDirtDart

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This administration never makes a any goddamn sense.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:02:00am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:05:33am

re: #382 lawhawk

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He’s a typical out of touch GOP elitist asshole. A real elitist asshole not Ricky Santorum’s idea of an “elitist” which is Obama for thinking that everyone should have some post secondary education.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:07:23am

“Maybe rather than getting that new iPhone” Americans “should invest in their own healthcare” - Rep. Jason Chaffetz

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:09:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:10:25am
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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:10:31am

re: #385 FormerDirtDart

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Herman Cain on foreign policy

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:11:41am

re: #385 FormerDirtDart

I joke that Trump would bomb Kreplachistan. Apparently, given the people who are in charge, that could actually happen.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:12:19am

re: #386 FormerDirtDart

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Self-reliance? Dude you get your health care courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer, shut the fuck up.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:18:10am

letter from HHS Secretary

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:19:08am

re: #285 Dave In Austin

Morning all. Here’s your day starters.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Our wonderful new Healthcare Bill is now out for review and negotiation. ObamaCare is a complete and total disaster - is imploding fast!
7:13 AM - 7 Mar 2017

I doubt the Orange Idiot even knows what the damn bill says.

Trump: “Go team…save me from myself by giving me something I can hide behind and maybe the Obama tweet thing will die down.”

Dear Donny. Nope. We are all watching and keeping score.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:19:44am

re: #388 lawhawk

I joke that Trump would bomb Kreplachistan. Apparently, given the people who are in charge, that could actually happen.

More like Tsimistan. They are already on the No Fly List. 😂

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:21:13am

re: #391 ObserverArt

I doubt the Orange Idiot even knows what the damn bill says.

Trump: “Go team…save me from myself by giving me something I can hide behind and maybe the Obama tweet thing will die down.”

Dear Donny. Nope. We are all watching and keeping score.

Sure I do. It’s ‘wonderful’. It’s a ‘terrific’ plan, just like I promised! It has terrific and wonderful things in it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:21:36am

re: #391 ObserverArt

I doubt the Orange Idiot even knows what the damn bill says.

He can recite nine bullet points based on the bill, tops.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:24:33am

re: #290 Timothy Watson

Because the vast majority of news people have no educational or practical expertise in any field other communications and can’t be bothered to do any research?

I will use a four-letter word.

Lazy.

Modern TV Journalism requirements: Look good. Dress well. Read what is in front of you. Do not editorialize. Collect Your Check. Go home.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:25:57am

re: #395 ObserverArt

I will use a four-letter word.

Lazy.

Modern TV Journalism requirements: Look good. Dress well. Read what is in front of you. Do not editorialize. Collect Your Check. Go home.

It also involves getting the first scoop, which means running with the first item that crosses your desk.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:27:05am

re: #296 Amory Blaine

NPR is less than worthless, ceding to right wing talking points and MBF all things.

And most conservatives probably still think of it as pure liberal junk they have to pay for.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:27:17am

re: #395 ObserverArt

I will use a four-letter word.

Lazy.

Modern TV Journalism requirements: Look good. Dress well. Read what is in front of you. Do not editorialize. Collect Your Check. Go home.

Aren’t you selling them a bit short? Think of all those trips to the dentists to get their perfect smiles, the money they have to spend on their hairdressers, the burden of continually having to buy new clothes to keep in fashion, the challenge of all that extra exercise at the air-conditioned gyms (with tanning beds) to work off all those calories at the catered soirées….

I thinks you don’t appreciate their burdens.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:29:02am

Cute but slightly NSFW

“Cutest maternity photo!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:29:25am

GOPers like Rand just want Obamacare gone, no replacement.

Let the free market look after itself blah blah blah.

The funny thing is that even people who have employer provided healthcare are PAYING for other peoples healthcare!

Spreading out of costs is the only viable way a health marketplace can work.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:30:13am

Welp, now that the admin has endorsed the plan:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:30:49am

Not to mention most people pay for iphones on monthly payment plans from their carriers, they just fork out $800 all at once.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:32:07am

This was my favorite of the “Obamacare vs GOP Replacement” tweets I’ve seen. Partial to it because I loved Creep Show.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:32:27am

re: #395 ObserverArt

I will use a four-letter word.

Lazy.

Modern TV Journalism requirements: Look good. Dress well. Read what is in front of you. Do not editorialize. Collect Your Check. Go home.

I still prefer stupid myself.

I remember years ago on the local D.C. FOX affiliate, they had GOP and Democratic talking heads on there talking with a host about the George Allen-Jamie Radtke primary fight in 2012. The GOP talking head refers to Radtke, who is a woman, as “he” repeatedly.

No one bothers to correct him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:32:32am

I’m honestly just tired of lectures about self reliability and personal responsibility from people who get a lot of benefits from the U.S. taxpayer. McMullin needs to primary Chaffetz. That’s not a seat we’ll win with a Democrat I’m afraid.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:37:36am

Wikileaks data dump seems to be exclusively about CIA cybertools, hacks, intrusions, etc. Cybersecurity experts may find some interesting stuff among the files, but frankly it’s Greek to me.

Trump is complaining the media is not covering the data dump, like it”s some kind of conspiracy. Little does he know the dump could compromise national “cyber,” including his own at Trump Org and Emolu-Lago. Never mind. It was an earlier tweet about an earlier dump I saw.

Yes, I downloaded it

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:38:39am

re: #406 wheat-dogg

Wikileaks data dump seems to be exclusively about CIA cybertools, hacks, intrusions, etc. Cybersecurity experts may find some interesting stuff among the files, but frankly it’s Greek to me.

Trump is complaining the media is not covering the data dump, like it”s some kind of conspiracy. Little does he know the dump could compromise national “cyber,” including his own at Trump Org and Emolu-Lago.

Yes, I downloaded it

So DT is happy about this latest Wikileaks data dump of CIA information?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:42:48am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

GOPers like Rand just want Obamacare gone, no replacement.

Let the free market look after itself blah blah blah.

The funny thing is that even people who have employer provided healthcare are PAYING for other peoples healthcare!

Spreading out of costs is the only viable way a health marketplace can work.

Because Conservatism has an odd sense of “individual initiative” and “personal freedom”.

To them it means your (imposed) right as an individual or family with limited income and assets to negotiate with a multi-billion-dollar insurance company (whose CEO probably makes more in one year than you will in a lifetime) for terms of insurance coverage.

It means Right to Work, which is, again, your right as a non-unionized individual to negotiate with an employer for wages and benefits.

And financial deregulation, which is your right to negotiate one-on-one with a bank for financial services.

Ain’t freedom a great thing?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:43:49am

re: #406 wheat-dogg

So much for leaks being bad. Only bad if they target him. But we all knew that.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:44:03am

re: #407 Sir John Barron

So DT is happy about this latest Wikileaks data dump of CIA information?

Nevermind. I think I neglected to check the timecode on the tweet I saw. It was probably a previous WL dump he was talking about, not today’s. There’s nothing in Trump’s TL today about it.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:50:08am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:50:50am

Interesting analysis of Justice Kennedy’s ruling on the racist juror case.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:51:20am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

If I know Rand, it’s not craptastic enough.

The David Frum Tweet above in Darth’s #328 seems to hint at Rand playing politics.

I get the impression he will scuttle this new GOP Healthcare Bill saying it wasn’t conservative enough and it will remain in place so Rand can continue to survive in Kentucky elections where the ACA is popular.

I have a feeling it isn’t much different for Rob Portman here in Ohio. Ohio has done well with the ACA and Ohio Johnny Kasich expanded Medicaid.

I think both politicians are dancing and may dance together.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:54:26am

re: #413 ObserverArt

The David Frum Tweet above in Darth’s #328 seems to hint at Rand playing politics.

I get the impression he will scuttle this new GOP Healthcare Bill saying it wasn’t conservative enough and it will remain in place so Rand can continue to survive in Kentucky elections where the ACA is popular.

I have a feeling it isn’t much different for Rob Portman here in Ohio. Ohio has done well with the ACA and Ohio Johnny Kasich expanded Medicaid.

I think both politicians are dancing and may dance together.

“Yes I really wanted to repeal the awful Obamacare which is hurting so many millions of people but the House R’s didn’t do it right so I couldn’t vote for their bill and by the way everyone who’s covered under Obamacare can keep their coverage so everything’s great.”

//

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:55:10am

re: #368 lawhawk

I’m sure there’s posturing there, but Paul’s not the only one who thinks that even this is too much. There’s a bunch of House GOPers who aren’t fans of this approach either.

And like I said, the surcharge is an individual mandate by another name. These fuckers spent years suing over the presence of the individual mandate, and now they include it as a way to make sure people are financially on the hook for getting continuous care.

Never mind that this is more onerous than the ACA individual mandate charges or that this is rank hypocrisy, but it goes to show that the GOP has no intention of helping people gain coverage that’s equivalent to what they have now. They want people to think that they’ve got the appearance of coverage.

That’s also why they’ve back-loaded all the real horrors - like the block grants that decrease over time, so that will force states to cut harshly. It means health care providers like nursing homes will see significant job cuts as they lose a major funding source.

It’s a total cockup, and it’s all on the GOP and Trump. Paul may think he’s blameless in all this, but he’s pushing an even more radical position - a total fuck you to all his constituents.

Did you read the Frum Atlantic article linked in Darth’s #328?

Rand may be trying to save his butt from angry Kentuckians that love them some ACA. I think it is a legit thing to consider. Sure Rand would like it all to go away, but he doesn’t want to go away too.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:57:21am

re: #413 ObserverArt

The David Frum Tweet above in Darth’s #328 seems to hint at Rand playing politics.

I get the impression he will scuttle this new GOP Healthcare Bill saying it wasn’t conservative enough and it will remain in place so Rand can continue to survive in Kentucky elections where the ACA is popular.

I have a feeling it isn’t much different for Rob Portman here in Ohio. Ohio has done well with the ACA and Ohio Johnny Kasich expanded Medicaid.

I think both politicians are dancing and may dance together.

That was my reading, too. But he’s just been re-elected. Maybe he’s thinking about the House races and helping them keep their seats.

Nah.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:59:19am

re: #355 Amory Blaine

The diabetic with an iPhone is the new welfare queen driving a Cadillac.

iPhones are actually RECOMMENDED for blind people by many independent-living centers!

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 7:59:20am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

scott horsley ✔ @HorsleyScott
This is FALSE. Of 122 prisoners released from Gtmo known to have returned to battle, 113 were released under Bush

Are we all forgetting that Obama was President when 9/11 happened???

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:00:25am

re: #417 Sherlock Hound

Yes, because of the voice command integration with SIRI, among other things.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:01:13am

re: #417 Sherlock Hound

iPhones are actually RECOMMENDED for blind people by many independent-living centers!

And…

Insurer Will Subsidize Apple Watch Purchases to Promote Health

Maybe in the future insurers will setup a GSA (gadget savings account) to help the disadvantaged.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:02:20am

Self-reliance! Bootstraps! MURICA!!

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:03:23am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:06:41am

re: #418 ObserverArt

Are we all forgetting that Obama was President when 9/11 happened???

That’s alright, nobody around here wants to hear the troof.
///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:07:23am

Conservatism is an ideology based on the idea that the poor always have it too good, and the wealthy never have enough.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:07:26am

re: #398 freetoken

Aren’t you selling them a bit short? Think of all those trips to the dentists to get their perfect smiles, the money they have to spend on their hairdressers, the burden of continually having to buy new clothes to keep in fashion, the challenge of all that extra exercise at the air-conditioned gyms (with tanning beds) to work off all those calories at the catered soirées….

I thinks you don’t appreciate their burdens.

The taste of latex in their manager’s office.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:07:33am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:08:20am

What does the new “wonderful”, “terrific” House plan do about pre-existing conditions?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:09:47am

re: #424 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatism is an ideology based on the idea that the poor always have it too good, and the wealthy never have enough.

If we let the rich keep more of their money, they will invest it to make more jobs for the poor. who need several because they are too lazy and unskilled to live from just one job.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:10:23am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

What does the new “wonderful”, “terrific” House plan do about pre-existing conditions?

From what I’ve heard, they’re covered, but if you didn’t have insurance at some point in the previous year, your insurer can add a 30% surcharge to your premiums.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:10:55am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

What does the new “wonderful”, “terrific” House plan do about pre-existing conditions?

I think they are covered, but lifetime caps are back. Not sure about waiting periods for pre-existing conditions before coverage begins.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:11:21am

re: #429 Blind Frog Belly White

From what I’ve heard, they’re covered, but if you didn’t have insurance at some point in the previous year, your insurer can add a 30% surcharge to your premiums.

I think it’s just a 63 day lapse and they hit you with 30% of your annual.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:12:46am

re: #431 Franklin

I think it’s just a 63 day lapse and they hit you with 30% of your annual.

Still fucking sucks.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:13:24am

re: #431 Franklin

I think it’s just a 63 day lapse and they hit you with 30% of your annual.

Which means lose your job and pay 10x more for cobra or pay 30% more for a year.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:15:11am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

Still fucking sucks.

Oh I agree. I was pointing out that it is worse than not being covered for years then signup because you get real sick. It’s 2 months of no coverage because, life happens. And blammo. Fuck this.

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Franklin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:15:20am

re: #433 MsJ

Which means lose your job and pay 10x more for cobra or pay 30% more for a year.

Bingo.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:15:39am

Thread:

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(alpuz)  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:17:11am

re: #355 Amory Blaine

The diabetic with an iPhone is the new welfare queen driving a Cadillac.

Well, I had a run… I guess it’s finally my time. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:20:10am

re: #436 Sherlock Hound

There’s a 7 page long section of the 66 page bill entitled “letting states disenroll high dollar lottery winners”. Does what it sounds like.

because they can afford market prices?

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:21:27am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because they can afford market prices?

For a time, anyway.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:22:39am

re: #395 ObserverArt

I will use a four-letter word.

Lazy.

Modern TV Journalism requirements: Look good. Dress well. Read what is in front of you. Do not editorialize. Collect Your Check. Go home.

BBC does it right; they insist on a very clear distinction between journalists (who investigate and research and write stories) and presenters (who sit behind a desk looking good and reading the script).

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:22:40am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

What does the new “wonderful”, “terrific” House plan do about pre-existing conditions?

You get covered.

You just may not be able to afford it.

And then we can hit you with a tax for not having coverage.

isn’t that the bees knees?!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:22:48am

re: #439 Sherlock Hound

For a time, anyway.

Exactly. Most of ‘em go back to broke pretty quick.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:23:24am

re: #436 Sherlock Hound

Thread:

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Jesus Christ. That thread is…

Read it. Really.

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:23:50am

re: #355 Amory Blaine

The diabetic with an iPhone is the new welfare queen driving a Cadillac.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:25:47am

re: #441 ObserverArt

You get covered.

You just may not be able to afford it.

And then we can hit you with a tax for not having coverage.

isn’t that the bees knees?!

Coverage is a relative word. It’s more like being able to say you have insurance. But the insurance doesn’t really cover anything.

It’s more “here, insurance companies, take this gift of $10k annually. Don’t bother giving me anything in return. It’s cool.”

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:29:01am

re: #441 ObserverArt

Round 2 includes a “allow insurance across state lines” which provides a race to the bottom so that the state insurance dept that allows a bare-bones plan will be the one that the GOP will tout as the plan that gives everyone coverage. So that when it doesn’t provide catastrophic coverage, or even basic preventative care, you’re stuck with the costs. And none of your doctors are in your plan (because that’s how insurers cap their costs!)

Oh yeah, we remember how the GOP hit on Obama for promising that if you had a doctor, you’d be able to keep it. That was an overblown promise on Obama’s part, mostly because insurers pick and choose the doctors/hospitals in their networks, and doctors pick and choose the insurers based on how much paperwork/ease of reimbursements.

It’s not so simple providing that an insurer will cover your doctor or hospital bills, even when the hospital is in-network. That hospital’s ER might not be, or the docs in the ER might not be, or the anesthesiologist isn’t, and you didn’t have a choice because you were wheeled in unconscious and didn’t have a choice about where you could go or the docs providing you treatment. So at the end of the day, you’re stuck with the bill, and believe me, it”s a lot more than a fucking iPhone.

I did tell you that everything would be all #GOPDontCare all the time last night - which is the cover the GOP is hoping that Trump uses to push the rest of their regressive BS, and to cover for Sessions still at AG despite committing perjury and all the rest. This shit show is designed to wear people down.

Resist. We have no choice. We have to do it to protect those who aren’t able to stand for themselves on this.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:29:06am

Look who’s styling an Apple Watch!

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:29:26am

re: #418 ObserverArt

Are we all forgetting that Obama was President when 9/11 happened???

Also, he did a crap job responding to Hurricane Katrina.

//

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:33:39am

This could be an opportunity for Lizards:

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:43:43am

re: #448 sagehen

Also, he did a crap job responding to Hurricane Katrina.

//

he caused it.

//

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:44:37am

re: #450 Sir John Barron

he caused it.

//

HAARP!!!11!

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:56:04am

Here is my graphic contribution to the ACA vs GOP healthcare comparison…

(Hat tip to lawhawk for the caption)

The GOP Don’tCare Health Insurance Plan
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:57:13am

I feel comfortable here. Everyone makes sense, uses for the most part reliable sources, seems above average (!), and so I lose touch with why the GOP massacre on health care, etc. plays.

But then I go to the sports “bubble” where my son practices soccer in winter—the TV is always on Fox and the waiting parents are watching and nodding. These are middle and upper-middle class white folks. (One guy was seated with his back to the TV watching something else on his tablet. I chanced to see his screen and…he was watching Fox News, too. Just wanted his own private intense experience, I guess.) It can’t be overstated how right-wing radio and TV have divided the country.

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(alpuz)  Mar 7, 2017 • 8:58:22am

re: #453 Barefoot Grin

I feel comfortable here. Everyone makes sense, uses for the most part reliable sources, seems above average (!), and so I lose touch with why the GOP massacre on health care, etc. plays.

But then I go to the sports “bubble” where my son practices soccer in winter—the TV is always on Fox and the waiting parents are watching and nodding. These are middle and upper-middle class white folks. (One guy was seated with his back to the TV watching something else on his tablet. I chanced to see his screen and…he was watching Fox News, too. Just wanted his own private intense experience, I guess.) It can’t be overstated how right-wing radio and TV have divided the country.

Been there, done that.

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(alpuz)  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:04:30am

re: #454 (alpuz)

More along the lines of, been there, watched that.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:06:59am

re: #455 (alpuz)

More along the lines of, been there, watched that.

I’ve been watching a few minutes of Fox now and then just to get a sense of how different things are from the various sources I usually access. It’s…pretty different.

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Nosferajew  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:08:31am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:10:33am

The #GOPDontCare plan in all its regressive “glory”:

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(alpuz)  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:12:25am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:14:28am

Thread:
About 14-15 tweets with replies and responses

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:16:39am
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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:21:40am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:24:44am

re: #421 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Jason Chaffetz is just another in a long line of well-off, comfortably raised Republicans who think the poor aren’t making enough hard choices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:25:54am

re: #463 jaunte

Jason Chaffetz is just another in a long line of well-off, comfortably raised Republicans who think the poor aren’t making enough hard choices.

and that everthing is better when it’s Free Market

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:27:22am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:29:32am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:31:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:31:56am

re: #466 jaunte

Repealing Obamacare is a One Trillion Dollar tax cut.

and, like a tax cut, it will increase the federal deficit

RT if you like deficits

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:32:33am

re: #466 jaunte

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I like pulling numbers out of my ass, RT if you like pulling numbers out of your ass.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:34:51am

re: #465 Archangelus

They just need to stop wasting their money on cell phones, shoes, food, and lodging.

They need to sacrifice just like our courageous GOP representatives do.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:35:58am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:36:46am
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DuckDharma  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:38:24am

So Wikileaks just unloaded a ton of CIA docs a few days after Trump’s big fuck up and the same day Christopher Steele gives a statement to the media.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:39:36am

re: #473 DuckDharma

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:39:42am

re: #470 Skip Intro

They just need to stop wasting their money on cell phones, shoes, food, and lodging.

They need to sacrifice just like our courageous GOP representatives do.

I really am amazed sometimes with the disconnect between the upper-class, or even the upper middle-class, and everyone else.

I remember in college hearing people talk about taking a trip to Europe or other places and I’m like, “Yeah, neither I nor my family have the money for something like that.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:40:00am

re: #473 DuckDharma

So Wikileaks just unloaded a ton of CIA docs a few days after Trump’s big fuck up and the same day Christopher Steele gives a statement to the media.

And the theme is how much illegal wiretapping was going on under Obama.

So now it is a matter of incontrovertible RWNJ faith that Obama illegally tapped Trump.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:40:17am

re: #473 DuckDharma

Putin’s helping out his doofus in the WH.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:40:58am

re: #475 Timothy Watson

I really am amazed sometimes with the disconnect between the upper-class, or even the upper middle-class, and everyone else.

I remember in college hearing people talk about taking to Europe or other places and I’m like, “Yeah, neither I nor my family have the money for something like that.”

yep, can’t even afford to spell the word “vacation” :)

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:43:10am

Too much?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:46:41am

re: #478 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yep, can’t even afford to spell the word “vacation” :)

Even worse: It was supposed to read “taking a trip”.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:50:32am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 9:57:00am

re: #481 jaunte

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:02:16am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:03:51am

re: #481 jaunte

My favorite part is the Fox News editorializing at the end of the interview to give Jason a little morale boost and to make their stupid viewers love this shitbag legislation because choices.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:04:22am

“This tire we slashed doesn’t roll smoothly.”

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:05:13am

re: #483 jaunte

How many insurers will the uninsured have with the GOPDONTCARE plan?

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:05:54am

re: #483 jaunte

Great find (If I had more than one upding…). And yup. The states where that’s true are in the states that not only refused to expand Medicaid, but actively sabotaged all efforts to improve health coverage to their residents. The GOP plan wont make any of this better, and those states will still lag the rest of the nation on coverage.

Texas and the Gulf Coast states trade places regularly on which has the highest uninsured rates, worst health care outcomes, and worst health care metrics. Their plan wont fix any of it. Had they done the Medicaid expansion, they all would have brought their uninsured rates down significantly.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:06:47am

re: #486 Sir John Barron

Part of the plan seems to be to let the insurance companies sell cheap ‘n crappy policies again, so “access” to insurance can be promised.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:07:20am

re: #487 lawhawk

That map also doesn’t show how Cigna and Aetna both tried to game outcomes by forcing mergers to get approved that would have reduced choice further by threatening ACA withdrawals.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:08:04am

re: #488 jaunte

Part of the plan seems to be to let the insurance companies sell cheap ‘n crappy policies again, so “access” to insurance can be promised.

Last time I lived in the ‘States (1988) I was young and strapping and had a $50-a-month policy with a $5,000 deductible. Which was basically bankruptcy insurance in case I got hit by a truck…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:11:23am

re: #489 lawhawk

Even if the access is a bare bones sky high deductible plan that covers fuck all.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:13:44am

You know this plan is fucked when the GOP can’t even get out of the way of the circular firing squad. This is why Ryan had to conduct the secret writing of the #GOPDontCare plan so that even fellow GOPers wouldn’t see it until it was cobbled together.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:13:51am

re: #477 jaunte

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Putin’s helping out his doofus in the WH.

No! The CIA under Obama coordinated to make it look like it was the Russians trying to get Trump elected so that they could then surveil his communications once he was president so that they could impeach…. Oh, fuck it.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:16:41am

re: #477 jaunte

Putin’s helping out his doofus in the WH.

Isn’t DT’s appointee now running the CIA? You’d think DT would care about Wikileaks undermining the government he now heads.

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:19:04am

With all of this GOP infighting it sure would be nice if Trump showed some of that “bold leadership” that he was spouting about…

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:19:57am

re: #495 b.d.

With all of this GOP infighting it sure would be nice if Trump showed some of that “bold leadership” that he was spouting about…

He did. He supports the new House “wonderful” healthcare bill.

//

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:20:00am

re: #494 Sir John Barron

Isn’t DT’s appointee now running the CIA? You’d think DT would care about Wikileaks undermining the government he now heads.

Why? Because Trump wants to monopolize the “undermining” himself?

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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:21:30am

re: #496 Sir John Barron

He did. He supports the new House “wonderful” healthcare bill.

//

That’s right, so he should be calling the Heritage Association and everybody who opposes it nasty names very soon then?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:28:24am

But, yes, this Vault7 crap will work. Trump will go scott free.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:28:32am

I was reading about Trumpcare on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution site, and at the bottom of the page was a link that said ‘read the full plan.’ I clicked it.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:29:41am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:29:50am

So of course our government spends most of its effort on the things that have the least chance of harming us, and throws insurance against the top 10 killers onto a bar napkin tax cuts calculation.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:31:29am

re: #501 FormerDirtDart

FEMA and the USCG also see significant cuts.

The former deals with natural disaster recovery and assistance.
The latter helps secure our borders and does drug and smuggling interdiction (including stopping illegals from entering by sea).

None of this makes sense. But the GOP hate of government is all encompassing. They want to sabotage everything they can get their hands on.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:32:01am

re: #495 b.d.

With all of this GOP infighting it sure would be nice if Trump showed some of that “bold leadership” that he was spouting about…

He uses a sharpy. What else do you want from him?!!!

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:32:09am
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:33:54am

re: #488 jaunte

Part of the plan seems to be to let the insurance companies sell cheap ‘n crappy policies again, so “access” to insurance can be promised.

Along with forcing you to buy the cheap crap so you don’t get taxed. It is a sneaky, low-down way to give more bucks to insurance providers.

In some ways, this GOPDon’tCare plan is worse than what we had prior to the ACA.

That took some nerve, but what is the GOP good for but fucking with everyone that lost the big Monopoly Game called business in America.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:36:55am

re: #494 Sir John Barron

Isn’t DT’s appointee now running the CIA? You’d think DT would care about Wikileaks undermining the government he now heads.

Not if the deal is to use Trump and he knows he is being used. He doesn’t give a fuck what happens once he gets his and is out of office.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:38:46am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:39:45am

re: #475 Timothy Watson

I grew up thinking that people who lived in 2-story houses were rich. I didn’t know a single person who had a pool in their backyard — my sister and I swam at the public pool 3 blocks from our house, with about 75 other kids.

My husband balks when I say he “won the birth lottery” because he had a pool, and the reason he balks is because they didn’t even have a pool guy — he had to clean the pool!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:40:41am

re: #508 FormerDirtDart

I see someone agrees with me…

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:41:13am

re: #508 FormerDirtDart

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:41:20am

So who’s the Senator or Representative owned by the tanning industry?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:42:38am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:44:22am

This is a much more accurate acronym.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:45:40am

re: #514 jaunte

This is a much more accurate acronym.

fall over and die?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:45:40am

This is as angry as I’ve seen Al Franken get; calls Jeff Sessions’ response letter “insulting” — via @mitchellreports

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:46:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:47:35am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:48:25am

re: #498 b.d.

That’s right, so he should be calling the Heritage Association and everybody who opposes it nasty names very soon then?

Or maybe his pro-Ryan bill tweet was his account being hacked and he’ll say he never supported this “wonderful”, “beautiful” plan.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:49:40am

HHS Sec. Tom Price: “This is about patients. This is not about money. This is not about something else.” abcn.ws

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:49:45am

re: #513 Timothy Watson

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:50:10am

re: #518 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, by making sure those in poorer health who increase costs aren’t getting coverage.

///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:50:20am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:50:43am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:51:31am

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

HHS Sec Tom Price: “Medicaid is a program that by and large has decreased people’s access to care.”
This is insane.

— Christina Wilkie

No wonder Price and DT get along so well.

////

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:53:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:55:20am

re: #501 FormerDirtDart

You’re much more likely to die in pandemic than terror attack, but CDC facing massive budget cuts

Free-Market disease control offers so many better choices!

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:55:57am

re: #521 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:57:34am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:57:41am

re: #527 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Free-Market disease control offers so many better choices!

I bet that no health care plan will have “pandemic” coverage

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:57:50am

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

This administration and congress are really very silly people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:58:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:58:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 10:58:54am

re: #526 jaunte

The good news for Republicans is that older folks are notoriously unconcerned with healthcare costs and rarely vote in midterm elections.]

I assume that was meant ironically.

But the bitterest irony is that they will still go out and vote overwhelmingly GOP

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:00:06am

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:00:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:00:36am

Price says states should “define what health coverage is,” then SECONDS LATER says we should gut state regs by “selling across state lines”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:01:01am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

HHS Sec Tom Price is now repeating anecdotes as if they were data. Sigh.

Once this bill is passed (and I see that as an inevitability) all we are going to hear are anecdotes about people who are sooooo pleased that they have been freed of the burden of ACA and are able to find better coverage for less money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:02:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:02:12am

re: #537 Backwoods_Sleuth

Price says states should “define what health coverage is,” then SECONDS LATER says we should gut state regs by “selling across state lines”

It’s mostly about selling Americans down the river…

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:04:53am

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, they’re going to compare two piles of paper. No one will be allowed to see what, if anything, is printed on them.

Old Trump trick.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:06:32am

Asked if he can guarantee the GOP’s Obamacare replacement will bring down premiums, HHS Secretary Tom Price says it will. Save this tape.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:07:19am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:07:20am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:07:53am

re: #538 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Once this bill is passed (and I see that as an inevitability) all we are going to hear are anecdotes about people who are sooooo pleased that they have been freed of the burden of ACA and are able to find better coverage for less money.

And anyone else who says otherwise is a) a George Soros funded stooge or b) a welfare queen who won’t go out and work for him or herself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:10:06am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:10:15am

Was in Columbus this weekend at the Arnold Classic(My son competed in the Gymnastics events there). I was there last year as well. Got to see Arnold Schwarzenegger endorse John Kasich for President there.

Damn, that seems like about ten years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:12:08am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:13:15am

re: #548 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh yay, let’s enable Hobby Lobby that claims to be against contraception for moral reasons but also invests in contraception devices. Man fuck this shit.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:14:28am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When he said ‘To me,’ I half expected him to say ‘…Al Franken.’ :)

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:16:46am

Everywhere you turn, Trump and his goon squad are lying, obfuscating, or flat out refusing to answer questions about everything they’re doing.

For those who don’t have the video, it’s showing Trump officials pushing out a press gaggle that includes Andrea Mitchell after she asked a question of Tillerson.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:19:08am

re: #551 lawhawk

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Everywhere you turn, Trump and his goon squad are lying, obfuscating, or flat out refusing to answer questions about everything they’re doing.

Jesus.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:22:29am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:23:57am

re: #553 lawhawk

Whew. Katrina Pierson allegedly was denied a position in the Trump admin. Dodged a bullet there. /

Melissa McCarthy is thankful for that too.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:24:42am

I’m just loving all the new opacity in government.

I think they should make it The Darkness Laws.

Might as well make it official and give it a right and proper name.

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:24:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:28:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:29:23am
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b.d.  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:29:47am

This———>

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:32:43am

re: #559 b.d.

It’s not clear in the slightest that Ryan has fucked up. This passes the House, because they’re that batcrap insane. It’s less likely to pass the Senate, but Trump will sign anything that claims to repeal Obamacare, regardless of cost, or that he promised that the replacement would be better than anything under current law.

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gocart mozart  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:47:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:47:28am
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Floral Giraffe  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:49:20am

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Check out LA City Hall & the old Bullock’s WIlshire building for more Moderne! There’s a TON of it in LA. Also, the LA Conservancy offers excellent tours of rarely open buildings, periodically!

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:51:59am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2017 • 11:58:18am

re: #564 Kragar

You can go with weight comparisons too.

I took a dump that has more value to it than the #GOPDontCare plan.

1 pound of manure has more value than #GOPDontCare for the average American. The rich get all the benefits, and everyone else gets their one pound of manure.

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Slap  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:00:22pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

THANK YOU FOR THIS!!

I’m a big fan of the architectural movements that inspired (or were inspired by) the Deco period and onward. We have a gorgeous example of Streamline Moderne in our neighborhood, about three or four blocks away.

It’s just across the street from the “Dragon House”, one of the most remarkable works of art I’ve ever seen:

sacramentoappraisalblog.com

I live in a pretty cool neighborhood….

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:07:52pm

re: #553 lawhawk

Whew. Katrina Pierson allegedly was denied a position in the Trump admin. Dodged a bullet there. /

Security background check must’ve turned up some seriously fucked up bullshit, well beyond her shoplifting conviction.

Either that or just vanilla brand racism at play, they figured Ben Carson was enough color for a GOP Administration. I notice Sheriff Clarke wasn’t given a job either.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 7, 2017 • 12:33:50pm

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