Report: Obama “Irked and Exasperated” by Trump’s Wiretapping Lies

Our new president is a far right con man who built his career on brazen lies
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President Obama hasn’t made a personal public statement about Donald Trump’s absurd and unsupported accusation that Obama ordered a “wiretap” on him during the campaign, but today CNN’s sources report that Obama’s “irked and exasperated.”

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama was irked and exasperated in response to his successor’s uncorroborated wiretapping accusation, sources close to the former president tell CNN, though these sources say Obama’s reaction stopped short of outright fury.

Obama and his aides responded with disbelief when they learned of President Donald Trump’s Saturday morning tweets laying out the charges. Later in the day, an Obama spokesman said “neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.”

Let’s face it; Trump built his entire political career on brazen lies about Barack Obama, designed to appeal to a delusional, conspiracy theory-saturated right wing base, so “irked and exasperated” sounds about right. Obama certainly couldn’t be surprised at this point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:20:16am

It is time to take DT to task for making such unsubstantiated claims, not as a private person, but as a President, about another President

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:22:10am
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Jay C  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:22:11am

If our former President were to ask MY advice (he won’t, I’m sure, but Mr. Obama should feel free to log on to LGF and read it, anyway), I’d suggest he cool it with the media reports, or at least manipulate them a little more carefully. “Irked and exasperated” might be the exact reaction these inane BS stories are designed to elicit. And I’d to like think that PBO is too smart to let himself be goaded into an intemperate response by the likes of the Trumperrhoids.

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S'latch  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:22:34am

I hope my President Barack Obama doesn’t lose his cool. He has a temper like some kind of hot head!

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:26:59am
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In contrast, everyone who continues working for the Trump admin. shows absolutely no character.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:27:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:27:54am
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BlueGrl21  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:28:23am

And then Baghdad Spice said in his briefing today that he sees no reason why this would strain the relationship between Trump and President Obama.

Yes, Sean. It will. Ethical people that take being ethical seriously don’t like being called unethical. They tend to get a bit irked. Then they tend to completely write off the accuser and have nothing to do with them. A “fuck you” is often added.

President Obama is too classy for that. This belligerent female Texas Liberal does not have that kind of class and patience. “Fuck off” is more where I tend to end up in that spectrum of possible responses.

I look forward to any and all investigations into this bullshit. There is no good outcome for Trump. If he was tapped it’s via a FISA warrant. If he wasn’t he looks even more like the utter loon he is. I have NO DOUBT whatsoever that the accusations against President Obama are a Brietbart/SMOTI fever dream.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:28:23am

If anyone wonders why we need an International Women’s Day, this is why:

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:28:57am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe this version. Seems more like him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:29:01am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reporter: What do you say to people who voted for Trump who could lose their healthcare?
Spicer: I say our bill is short and online!

Remember his quote about how “all government does is generate reams of paper”

reams of paper that helped tens of millions of Americans afford health care

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S'latch  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:29:21am

Obama should sue Trump for libel. He probably won’t, but he should.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:29:39am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reporter: What do you say to people who voted for Trump who could lose their healthcare?
Spicer: I say our bill is short and online!

— Joy Reid

What more do these people want?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:30:11am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember his quote about how “all government does is generate reams of paper”

reams of paper that helped tens of millions of Americans afford health care

Yeah but it also generates reams of paper. You don’t care about that?

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:30:41am

re: #5 jaunte

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In contrast, everyone who continues working for the Trump admin. shows absolutely no character.

That’s the primary requirement for working for Trump. Always has been.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:31:08am

re: #9 electrotek

A mob illegally entered the Bilgi University campus in central Istanbul to attack students marking International Women’s Day on March 8.

The university confirmed in a statement that a group of 15 to 20 jumped over the gates of the santralistanbul campus to attack the students, chanting “Allahu akbar” (God is great).

A number of the students and security officers on campus were beaten by the mob, with one student injured, the statement added.

Six of the attackers were detained by police who arrived at the scene.

The university stated that it has launched legal action against the attackers and initiated a disciplinary process for students who joined the attackers.

A threat to their masculinity combined with religious fervor has deadly consequences, as evident here. Islamophobes will have a field day with this, if they’re not already.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:31:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:31:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:33:57am
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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:34:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:34:33am
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:35:31am

re: #16 electrotek

A threat to their masculinity combined with religious fervor has deadly consequences, as evident here. Islamophobes will have a field day with this, if they’re not already.

Or they would have joined them because they got high off the woman hatred before they realized they were aligned with Muslim extremists.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:36:22am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:36:33am

re: #22 JordanRules

Or they would have joined them because they got high off the woman hatred before they realized they were aligned with Muslim extremists.

Their minds are sick enough to hold both misogyny and Islamophobia.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:38:05am

re: #22 JordanRules

Yup. Pamela Geller is a shining example of one that holds ridiculous amount of ‘internalized misogyny’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:38:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:40:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:40:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:42:17am
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petesh  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:43:56am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Make no mistake: the president is very proud of the product we have produced. He is in very much of a sell mode”

So far he’s only produced a modest portion of bovine excrement, but clearly this signals the torrent to come, doubtless capped with a serious froth of fabrications.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:44:17am

Truly important news out of Texas…

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:44:43am

It’s not Trumpcare, it’s DonTCare.

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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:45:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:47:44am
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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:52:58am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

“If anybody can get a deal on something it’s Donald Trump”

I don’t know why this is still a thing people say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:53:04am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:54:03am

re: #35 jaunte

I don’t know why this is still a thing people say.

He got a great deal on that Trump U settlement, let me tell you

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:54:31am
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good grief.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:54:32am
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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:55:01am

re: #37 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Also the One China licensing agreements.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:55:19am

re: #37 A wild WITHAK appeared!

He got a great deal on that Trump U settlement, let me tell you

That settlement has yet to be agreed upon by the victims. They could reject, in which case the case might still go forward unless Trump coughs up more money.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:55:22am
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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:57:05am
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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:57:39am
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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:57:51am
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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:58:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:58:20am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cheeky signs at women’s rights strike-day protest at SF City Hall

Soros likes women protesters because he can get away with paying them 79 cents on the dollar compared to male protesters

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:00:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:00:15pm

Schilling critical of R.I. state police probe into 38 Studios

PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Curt Schilling blasted the Rhode Island State Police investigation for its lack of interviews with three key players in the state’s doomed investment in his 38 Studios video-game company — then-House Speaker Gordon Fox, former House Speaker William Murphy and tax-credit broker Michael D. Corso.

In an interview with The Providence Journal, Schilling said he was incredulous when documents released by the state police showed those names missing from the interview list.

Last summer, the state police and attorney general’s office announced that no criminal charges would be filed after a four-year investigation into the state’s $75-million loan deal for 38 Studios. Attorney General Peter F. Kilmartin said investigators examined whether there were kickbacks, quid pro quos or financial crimes. The FBI looked into bank fraud.

Released last week, the police investigation said: “Representative Gordon Fox was not contacted at the request of his attorney, William Murphy. Representative William Murphy did not want to answer questions due to his representation of Gordon Fox.”

“Here’s where it goes off the rails,” Schilling said. “Are you [expletive] kidding me that Gordon Fox and Speaker Murphy weren’t interviewed? When I was interviewed by the state police, I was told in no uncertain terms that there was no doubt there was criminal activity … but they couldn’t find it.”

Schilling said he stopped reading when he saw no interviews with Fox or Corso, the broker who helped bring 38 Studios to Providence through his 20-year friendship with Fox.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:01:15pm

Just when you think everything’s running great, T-Mobile starts blocking texts from our LGF email account, for no reason that I can find. Googling it finds a lot of other people complaining about the same thing, so I know we aren’t being singled out, anyway.

Luckily, I have a work-around - a Gmail account that seems to work fine for T-Mobile. If you have a T-Mobile cell phone account and would like to help test this out, please leave a private comment (click the lock icon at upper right of the editing box) addressed to “Charles” with your cell phone number and I’ll send you a text.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:01:33pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

It’s not Trumpcare, it’s DonTCare.

I think everyone should go with what lawhawk has been using.

GOPDon’tCare.

Put their goddamned name on it and make them own it like they hung the ACA with Obamacare.

Let’s not be weak about this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:02:43pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:03:23pm

Trumpcare:

Its a profit deal.mpg

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calochortus  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:05:11pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, if Trump is in “sell mode” why am I not hearing about big press conferences with Trump supporting this plan? Is he using super sekrit mind control? Subliminal messages on Faux News? What?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:05:39pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:06:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:07:48pm

Oops, forgot to mention - when you post your phone number in a private comment, do it without any dashes or parentheses, just a 10-digit number, to get around our phone number filter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:08:11pm

re: #45 jaunte

Trump Reach-Around Lounge.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:10:09pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:10:49pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:11:07pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Conway pushes back against “TrumpCare” label for GOP healthcare bill

Anything other than “The Greatest Health Care Bill Ever” is unacceptable.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:11:21pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:12:16pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Message received.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:13:07pm

re: #65 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Excellent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:13:26pm

jeebus

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:13:27pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“I’ll call it ‘TrumpCare’ if you want to, but I didn’t hear President Trump say to any of us: ‘I want my name on that.’ It’s not about branding according to someone’s name — it’s serious business.”

Well shit, Kelly, if we’re insisting on proper names, then it’s the Affordable Care Act. You nitwits dubbed it “Obamacare” because you figured it would fail before 2012 and calling it such would give Willard an edge. Then you kept calling it that because you believed it would prove so unpopular that repealing it would be a cakewalk.

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calochortus  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:14:45pm

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anything other than “The Greatest Health Care Bill Ever” is unacceptable.

Reminds me of when my nephew was little and first heard about the World Series. For a couple weeks thereafter, everything really great was “the World Series of _______” to him.
Therefore, in his honor, I move we rename the healthcare bill “The World Series of American Healthcare Act.” It sounds better than the current name.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:15:08pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

“It’s the American Health Care Act, and I think it’s aptly named that for that reason. It wants everybody to have access to coverage, and that didn’t happen under ObamaCare,” she said.

But HHS Sec Price just said yesterday that he doesn’t give a rat’s fig about coverage and Spicey just said that today.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:21:31pm

EPA’s Science Office Now Unpolluted By Science
wonkette.com

This just might signal a teensy bit of a change in emphasis for the Environmental Protection Agency under the Trump administration and business-friendly EPA administrator Scott Pruitt: The mission statement for the EPA’s Office of Science and Technology, which among other things, develops clean water standards, has been revised to remove a line stating that those standards will be “science-based.”

A group of scientists have set up software to track changes in science-based government Websites, and changes to the EPA site are a doozy (screen captures and more at Wonkette)

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Franklin  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:27:00pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:27:04pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

No fair, shouldn’t take DT or any DT aides literally or seriously or figuratively or metaphorically.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:27:29pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:28:22pm

Fresh outta Photoshop. Feel free to Tweet, post and display every chance you can. Click for full size.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:29:22pm

re: #74 Franklin

Ok, when anyone screams about Obamacare “causing massive rate hikes”, they’re basically talking about sections 15&16 in yellow

All we can expect to see once this turkey gets passed (which I see as inevitable) will be anecdotes about how sooooooo many people are enjoying their new Freedom of Choice, while statistical evidence of diminished numbers of insured Americans and increased mortality/illness rates will be brushed off as “partisan propaganda”.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:29:30pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Fresh outta Photoshop. Feel free to Tweet, post and display every chance you can. Click for full size.

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2010, Observer Art?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:29:42pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:31:56pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Fresh outta Photoshop. Feel free to Tweet, post and display every chance you can. Click for full size.

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constructive suggestions: Capitalize the T so that “DonT” is visible…he needs to be associated with needless deaths of uninsured Americans

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:31:57pm

re: #79 BlueSpotinAL

2010, Observer Art?

Oops, yeah - I think you may want to fix that date, unless you’re including a time machine in this deal.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:32:51pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Fresh outta Photoshop. Feel free to Tweet, post and display every chance you can. Click for full size.

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Umm, OA: Maybe you should Photoshop a more-current date onto your sticker: replacing GOP Congress in 2010 is not only anachronistic, but - IIRC, didn’t work out too well at the time….

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Franklin  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:33:10pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Oops, yeah - I think you may want to fix that date, unless you’re including a time machine in this deal.

Fixing the 2010 midterms would fix a lot of fucking things that are broken right now.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:33:56pm

re: #79 BlueSpotinAL

2010, Observer Art?

Oops!

Correction coming!

Working too fast again…

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:34:41pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

SO TRUE!!!

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Floral Giraffe  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:35:34pm

re: #76 jaunte

Wonder if he’s a member of Rick Warren’s church?

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:36:50pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Oops, yeah - I think you may want to fix that date, unless you’re including a time machine in this deal.

FIXED!

Sure wish there was an easier way to update an image.

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John Carter  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:36:58pm

I am trying to find the Simpson episode where Homer and his co-workers chose a vending machine in the break room over health insurance.

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calochortus  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:37:36pm

LifeHacker has a handy guide to the number of iPhones you’ll need for various medical needs. Start saving them up now!

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:37:54pm

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

constructive suggestions: Capitalize the T so that “DonT” is visible…he needs to be associated with needless deaths of uninsured Americans

I’ll do another version with that in it too. Moar the betta!

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BlueGrl21  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:38:42pm

Was on Facebook earlier and had someone trying to “patiently” explain to me why the Republican plan for health care was a better choice than the ACA.

This is a person that has never read an original source document or had an original thought in their lives. Their argument was all urban legend and hyperbole without one single fact.

I asked for them to provide me with one single way that this bill will improve the ACA. I got, “You’re not going to listen to anything I have to say, you’re a liberal.”

I responded with, “Thanks! I now have a new term for people who defend Trump’s policies in a condescending, fact-free way because my little ol’ brain can’t understand his brilliance! Trumpsplaining! You are a Trumpsplainer!”

He was not amused with my own verbal brilliance.

I plan to use this term very often in the future.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:39:19pm

re: #88 ObserverArt

FIXED!

Sure wish there was an easier way to update an image.

I’m thinking maybe the year should be 2018, since a lot of Congressional seats are up for election in the midterms.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:40:05pm

And also because if we wait 4 years to get these villains out, I’m afraid the country may be irreparably wrecked.

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Franklin  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:40:10pm

re: #89 John Carter

I am trying to find the Simpson episode where Homer and his co-workers chose a vending machine in the break room over health insurance.

Is it this one?

The Simpsons - Dental Plan, Lisa Needs Braces

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:40:31pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

It’s impossible to write anything coherent about US politics if the fact that we have Satan’s Anus as POTUS* is ignored.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:41:54pm

re: #92 BlueGrl21

Trumpsplaining has all the worst features of mansplaining and whitesplaining.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:43:02pm

re: #95 Franklin

lol I need to find the YouTube video of someone who mashed Cypress Hill’s Insane in the Membrane instrumental with the sample from that Simpsons clip haha

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:43:07pm

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

constructive suggestions: Capitalize the T so that “DonT” is visible…he needs to be associated with needless deaths of uninsured Americans

Here ya’ go…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:43:55pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Here ya’ go…

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Excellent, downloaded already

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:45:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:46:59pm

Let’s face it, folks. Trump and the GOP are already doing serious, lasting damage to this country. I don’t think the US will ever be the same even if he’s forced to resign or impeached.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:47:45pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I’m thinking maybe the year should be 2018, since a lot of Congressional seats are up for election in the midterms.

Damn critics!!!

Imma go with both…this needs to be a fuckin’ big deal!

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:47:46pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Let’s face it, folks. Trump and the GOP are already doing serious, lasting damage to this country. I don’t think the US will ever be the same even if he’s forced to resign or impeached.

Pretty much.

He is America’s equivalent to Gen. Zia ul-Haq.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:47:53pm

re: #97 EPR-radar

Trumpsplaining has all the worst features of mansplaining and whitesplaining.

Exactly. Conway, Spicer, Hannity, all Trumpsplainers. Our little brains just can’t comprehend it all or understand “what he really meant by that statement.”

And we all have those people in our lives that are Trump supporters that do this. They want to “patiently explain” to Democrats Trump’s value and master plan. Which implies we don’t know what we’re talking about.

I’m tired of it. I have a word for it now. I’m using it.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:48:55pm

The Onion addresses in an infographic the timeline of the EPA (founded forty years too late)
theonion.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:49:18pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:50:52pm

Even fucking hotdish has to be political nowadays.

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“Right to Bear Arms Hotdish”

Unless this recipe includes bear forelimb meat or something…

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TedStriker  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:51:08pm
President Barack Obama was irked and exasperated in response to his successor’s uncorroborated wiretapping accusation, sources close to the former president tell CNN, though these sources say Obama’s reaction stopped short of outright fury.

An oldie but a goodie that fits:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:51:42pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Let’s face it, folks. Trump and the GOP are already doing serious, lasting damage to this country. I don’t think the US will ever be the same even if he’s forced to resign or impeached.

I do worry that some of the damage will be permanent or take decades to repair…

People are going to die

From lack of medical care that they can no longer afford

From attacks by racists/xenophobes emboldened by Trump’s rhetoric and abetted or ignored by LEO’s

And in unnecessary wars that he starts to distract attention when things start getting too hot for him.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:52:07pm

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:53:33pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Fresh outta Photoshop. Feel free to Tweet, post and display every chance you can. Click for full size.

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Check the year at the bottom.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:54:38pm

re: #113 makeitstop

Check the year at the bottom.

You’re late…I already got beat up for that stupid brain fart. See above.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:56:17pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2017 • 12:58:42pm

I know that this guy, Adam Khan, is often thrown in with Louise Mensch and John Schindler, so I don’t know if his information is good, but this stuff about Stephen Feinberg being brought in to purge IC is frightening. He seems to be an individual war machine.

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:00:59pm

re: #114 ObserverArt

You’re late…I already got beat up for that stupid brain fart. See above.

As I read further, this became obvious.

Sorry for the pile-on.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:02:17pm

Regarding this country being damaged by Trump…I think it is already pretty fucked up as far as existing damage to have elected this unqualified ass.

A country is made up of citizens. Too many of our citizens are hateful, ignorant, bigoted buffoons. And then there is FOX News and like media that makes them that way…and…and…and…

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:03:45pm

re: #117 makeitstop

As I read further, this became obvious.

Sorry for the pile-on.

No problem.

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CleverToad  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:05:23pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

Damn critics!!!

Imma go with both…this needs to be a fuckin’ big deal!

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:07:34pm

re: #120 CleverToad

Flippin’ nailed it. Would like to post this on my FB feed — how would you like the attribution to read?

Something like: created by ObserverArt for Little Green Footballs…read and see more like it at littlegreenfootballs.com.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:08:47pm

re: #8 BlueGrl21

And then Baghdad Spice said in his briefing today that he sees no reason why this would strain the relationship between Trump and President Obama.

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Oh Spice you lying, untrustworthy, conniving, criminal piece of shit. Me saying that won’t strain our relationship will it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:10:03pm
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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:11:40pm

Mr. Johnson has a follower on Twitter:

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:12:08pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

As in, “If you still have stock in America, Inc., sell now before this assclown finishes destroying it.”

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:14:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:17:45pm

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:18:28pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

I will never understand the Conservative position that Government, which derives its authority from the just consent of the governed, must be severely limited while corporations, which derive their authority from the wealth of the few, must be given free rein.

They don’t want the consent of the governed.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:19:05pm

Wonkette weighs in on the special election for Montana’s sole US House seat. Rebecca Shoenkopf, who says she was seriously considering running for that seat, decided not to with the entry of the Democratic candidate.

wonkette.com

The race is between Rob Quist (D), a Montana rancher who does things like works with food banks, and Greg Gianforte (R), a small “l” libertarian billionaire from Wisconsin who once sued the state to keep fishermen out of the river flowing through his property (despite state law saying you can’t own rivers).

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bratwurst  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:21:55pm
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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:24:21pm

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:24:57pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

I will never understand the Conservative position that Government, which derives its authority from the just consent of the governed, must be severely limited while corporations, which derive their authority from the wealth of the few, must be given free rein.

US conservatism is European monarchism with the wealthy being the state rather than the king.

Once I realized this, I ceased to be troubled by such questions about conservative motives.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:25:12pm

Geert Wilders calls Erdogan a dictator

Pot calling the kettle black here. Pretty ironic for someone who calls to ban all mosques to label others as a dictator. Bitch please.

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CongoJack  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:26:23pm

re: #126 Anymouse

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What are the ISP companies going to sell? The fact that most internet usage (especially in the Bible-belt) are streaming far too much porn.

Is it not the 4th Amendment that does not allow the inspection of private data without a warrant. Is this not what this is - as people search and viewing history is just that - their private thoughts (or as the 4th Amendment states - secure in one’s person, papers, and effects).

Now companies can do this with out a warrant. Panopticism is going to run rampant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:27:28pm
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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:32:07pm

re: #134 CongoJack

What are the ISP companies going to sell? The fact that most internet usage (especially in the Bible-belt) are streaming far too much porn.

Is it not the 4th Amendment that does not allow the inspection of private data without a warrant. Is this not what this is - as people search and viewing history is just that - their private thoughts (or as the 4th Amendment states - secure in one’s person, papers, and effects).

Now companies can do this with out a warrant. Panopticism is going to run rampant.

Your address, your name, your telephone number … the bill also relieves IPs of any responsibility for providing security over your private data, and allows them to sift through your E-mail and such for information.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:32:49pm

re: #131 Anymouse

Well, the Chyron says “FOX 28” so… .

Local Columbus Station, part of the Sinclair Broadcasting Group. They are a big GOP backer of course…and they share staff with the local ABC Channel 6. Both are unwatchable. I can’t remember the last time I watched channel 6 and about the only thing I would watch on Fox Channel 8 is a sporting event…and I hate doing even that.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:34:12pm

The Electronic Frontier Foundation also weighs in on the bill (with more detail of what protections will be stripped from consumers to protect people’s (read corporate) rights:
eff.org

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:36:45pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

Local Columbus Station, part of the Sinclair Broadcasting Group. They are a big GOP backer of course…and they share staff with the local ABC Channel 6. Both are unwatchable. I can’t remember the last time I watched channel 6 and about the only thing I would watch on Fox Channel 8 is a sporting event…and I hate doing even that.

Sinclair pretty much runs all the outlets (radio and TV) around here, and our newspaper is pretty much a GOP outlet. Combined with little available affordable Internet service, we are pretty much trapped with GOP propaganda outlets and nothing else.

Nothing today on Trump in the newspaper except his call for “treating women fairly” whatever the heck that was. No Russia reporting, nothing about his billionaire cabinet, &c.

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451_Montag  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:38:23pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Something like: created by ObserverArt for Little Green Footballs…read and see more like it at littlegreenfootballs.com.

I like the capital T. Perhaps gold and sparkly. At the moment the image is clean, sophisticated and professional. Doesn’t really capture Trump

;)

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:46:40pm

This fellow Gianforte running in Montana also is a big donor to Focus on the Family, and owns a private school called Petra Academy in Bozeman.

The school is under fire for discriminating against disabled students.

Amongst other things, the school notes:

These are the conditions that can keep a student from entering Petra and which permit a student’s expulsion from the school:

Learning Disabilities, Mental Retardation, Autism, Emotional or Behavioral Disabilities, Attention Deficit Disorder/Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Gifted, or Physical Disabilities. For the purpose of this policy, it is not important whether or not the condition was accurately diagnosed and is a genuine disability or exceptionality.

(copied from the parent handbook of the school)

Also:

If it becomes apparent that a child has a severe disability/exceptionality the parents will need to withdraw the student in order to obtain proper assistance for him/her.
Children with a mild disability/exceptionality will be given the same amount of individual instruction and encouragement as their classmates.
minor accommodations shall not necessitate appreciable time commitments from the teacher(s) outside of what is normally needed for students without mild disability/exceptionality.
If after implementing minor accommodations in a particular situation, the Headmaster determines that it is not in the best interest of the school and/or the child to continue, the Headmaster may discontinue the same, at his discretion. If needed, he may also ask the parents to withdraw the student in order to obtain proper assistance for him/her.

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Major Tom  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:47:27pm

congress.gov

H.R.1275 - World’s Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017
115th Congress (2017-2018)

BILLHide Overview icon-hide
Sponsor: Rep. Sessions, Pete [R-TX-32] (Introduced 03/01/2017)

“A BILL
To eliminate the individual and employer health coverage mandates under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, to expand beyond that Act the choices in obtaining and financing affordable health insurance coverage, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; PURPOSES; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
(a) Short Title.—This Act may be cited as the “World’s Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017”.”

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:48:11pm

Any DFW people here refer me to a quality wildlife control company that can remove possible raccoons from the roof of our house? I bet it’s a mama raccoon too.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:50:08pm

re: #143 Major Tom

Orwell would be proud.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:50:45pm
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Major Tom  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:50:47pm

re: #144 electrotek

Any DFW people here refer me to a quality wildlife control company that can remove possible raccoons from the roof of our house? I bet it’s a mama raccoon too.

I had that problem in FL. It was raining baby raccoons from my roof… it was the cutest thing in the world. Until I realized why, and then it wasn’t.

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:51:40pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:52:10pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:52:41pm

re: #139 Anymouse

Sinclair pretty much runs all the outlets (radio and TV) around here, and our newspaper is pretty much a GOP outlet. Combined with little available affordable Internet service, we are pretty much trapped with GOP propaganda outlets and nothing else.

Nothing today on Trump in the newspaper except his call for “treating women fairly” whatever the heck that was. No Russia reporting, nothing about his billionaire cabinet, &c.

Yeah but liberal media……

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:53:22pm
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TedStriker  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:53:30pm

re: #128 Belafon

They don’t want the consent of the governed.

They want that sweet, sweet cash from those corporations.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:54:06pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

DT believes economic reports and data now. Sad.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:56:06pm

re: #147 Major Tom

I had that problem in FL. It was raining baby raccoons from my roof… it was the cutest thing in the world. Until I realized why, and then it wasn’t.

Not as bad as when I had an opossum crawl between the floorboards and ceiling of my house between the first and second floor in Florida (about a four-inch height), then get stuck and die.

For days after it started putrefying under my floor the house started smelling of rotting carcass. I finally found where it was coming from (I was spending whole days trying to find what the heck caused that monumental stink) by shining a flashlight between the floor and ceiling.

Couldn’t fish it out that way (liquefied and too far to reach). I had to saw out a section of my second floor to get the remnants of the opossum out, followed by several gallons of bleach and leaving the windows open for about a month.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:56:19pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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So, nor as strong as during Obama.

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scottslemmons  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:56:20pm

re: #130 bratwurst

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John Carter  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:58:18pm

re: #149 gocart mozart

For a guy that is probably used to having a lot of casual sex, being president probably really puts a cramp in his style.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:59:26pm

re: #155 Belafon

So, nor as strong as during Obama.

That was fake data for Obama.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 1:59:45pm

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:00:14pm

I just heard a bit of piano jazz, followed by a piece that the pianist did with his parrot, who was whistling. My stinky old blind Cocker immediately sat up and began to bark along. Animals are fascinating! He obviously knew that wasn’t a human whistling, because he has never done that before.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:00:26pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:04:13pm

re: #142 Anymouse

On that cut-and paste about the Republican running for the US House in Montana, I failed to give proper attribution (like a link) to the source.

intelligentdiscontent.com

(more at the link about this fantastic example of compassionate conservatism)

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Timothy Watson  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:11:04pm

Facebook Post

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:11:28pm

MrBWS isn’t coming home again…

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Archangelus  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:12:36pm

Had a pleasant dream last night in which President Electoral McRoadkillHair got his Twitter account suspended. Wondering, could such a pleasantness actually happen in reality at one point?

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:17:03pm

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:17:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:20:10pm
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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:21:01pm

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A Terriorasst!

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:23:43pm

re: #76 jaunte

I’ve been considering relocating a few miles south from Long Beach to Seal Beach in order to possibly challenge Dana Rohrabacher in the 48th District (for those familiar with Orange County, it runs along the coast from Seal Beach south to Aliso Viejo, and includes parts of Garden Grove in the north). The district went for Clinton 48-46 but Rohrabacher won with 58% (down from 64% and 61% in his last two elections).

He might just be too ensconced to provide a real challenge. My state representatives aren’t termed out yet, so it doesn’t make sense to run for Assembly or Senate… at least not yet. Been thinking about this a bit too much.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:26:27pm
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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:26:42pm

re: #172 KGxvi

Well, he would be a tremendous jerk to get out of government, so more power to you!

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:27:17pm

re: #167 Archangelus

Had a pleasant dream last night in which the President Electoral got his Twitter account suspended. Wondering, could such a pleasantness actually happen at one point?

No. Twitter won’t suspend someone that has millions of followers. Profit over terms of service.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:29:27pm

re: #174 retired cynic

Well, he would be a tremendous jerk to get out of government, so more power to you!

He’ll be 70 this year, that’d be a really interesting race if he decided to spend what remains of his golden years not ruining the world.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:29:50pm

re: #172 KGxvi

I’ve been considering relocating a few miles south from Long Beach to Seal Beach in order to possibly challenge Dana Rohrabacher in the 48th District (for those familiar with Orange County, it runs along the coast from Seal Beach south to Aliso Viejo, and includes parts of Garden Grove in the north). The district went for Clinton 48-46 but Rohrabacher won with 58% (down from 64% and 61% in his last two elections).

He might just be too ensconced to provide a real challenge. My state representatives aren’t termed out yet, so it doesn’t make sense to run for Assembly or Senate… at least not yet. Been thinking about this a bit too much.

I grew up in OC. Know the area well. It would be awesome if you ran. Hate Dana R.

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Moebym  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:33:28pm

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What in the ever-loving fuck?

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:35:38pm

re: #156 scottslemmons

Well, a wingnut station with a chyron reading “Carnivorous Crooks” with a stunt reporter in a cow costume knocking on trailer park doors? I assume they’re doing a report on dastardly poor people buying meat with food stamps?

Found the video at Channel 6 Columbus…with a bit of story. You’re close on the story.

ABC6 Columbus - No bull: Sussi on the “moove” to catch suspected meat thieves

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Did you know there’s a black market for meat?

When it comes to the $60 billion worth of merchandise stolen annually in shoplifting, meat ranks high on thieves’ lists. As a result, retailers pass along those losses to you, the consumer.

Recently, Columbus City Attorney’s Office contacted reached to ABC 6/FOX 28 to help expose the problem and track down four carnivorous crooks with outstanding warrants.

So, 6 On Your Side Investigator Tom Sussi went undercover, disguised as a cow, to track down these four suspects:

Richie Staley allegedly stole more than $300 worth of Angus whole tenderloin
Dale Fritz allegedly stole nearly $500 worth of steak
Sierra Malone allegedly stole $528 worth of Red Bull and meat
Rodney Hartley allegedly stole $118 worth of pork tenderloin and beef roasts

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:36:25pm

re: #178 Moebym

What in the ever-loving fuck?

He wants to scrap the non-proliferation treaty.* Which is utterly insane, like Dr Strangelove riding the bomb down insane.

*It’s my understanding under the non-proliferation treaty, if you signed it and don’t have nuclear weapons, you can’t develop them or you face massive economic sanctions from pretty much every other country in the world.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:39:05pm

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:41:36pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

The pooches all have the same expressions. I wonder what has got their rapt attention.

They’re just all being awesome for the camera.

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Nyet  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:44:21pm

re: #183 Nyet

Fixed link.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:45:21pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS isn’t coming home again…

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Strong winds here is the Columbus area again today. I heard they were to be much stronger north of here.

March winds…kite flying weather.

‘Cept no one seems to really fly kites much anymore. I always enjoyed that as a kid. We had enough spruce and other woods for modeling, we could easily make up kites. Some wheat-paste glue, some type of paper (we had blank newsprint and white drawing paper), the wood, some string and flying we would go.

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:46:52pm
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In New Mexico, we have javalinas inspecting the water sneaking under the wall.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:47:06pm

re: #167 Archangelus

Had a pleasant dream last night in which President Electoral McRoadkillHair got his Twitter account suspended. Wondering, could such a pleasantness actually happen in reality at one point?

I couldn’t image the furor that would cause with the Fuehrer Trump and his wingnut flying twitt monkeys.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:48:06pm

Remember that dog picture up the thread I commented on?

Hey, press corps, perhaps you can do something useful now?

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rawstory.com
Full article at Raw Story

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:48:32pm

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:49:05pm

re: #183 Nyet

URL needs fixed.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:49:19pm

re: #180 KGxvi

He wants to scrap the non-proliferation treaty.* Which is utterly insane, like Dr Strangelove riding the bomb down insane.

*It’s my understanding under the non-proliferation treaty, if you signed it and don’t have nuclear weapons, you can’t develop them or you face massive economic sanctions from pretty much every other country in the world.

I think you’re right: IIRC, that was the treaty violation used to back the sanctions on Iran until the JCPOA deal. Which of course, worked: as long as they backed up by REAL diplomacy….

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:50:20pm

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:51:04pm

re: #190 freetoken

URL needs fixed.

Refresh comment, it works! Magic!

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:53:47pm

re: #192 ObserverArt

I wonder if Chucky C. Johnson is on that list?

No. The list is here, searchable by person or agency.
projects.propublica.org

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mmmirele  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:54:36pm

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mmmirele  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:55:13pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

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In New Mexico, we have javalinas inspecting the water sneaking under the wall.

In Arizona, we have jaguars which cross the border from Mexico. A wall would block them from ranging here.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:55:43pm

re: #180 KGxvi

He wants to scrap the non-proliferation treaty.* Which is utterly insane, like Dr Strangelove riding the bomb down insane.

*It’s my understanding under the non-proliferation treaty, if you signed it and don’t have nuclear weapons, you can’t develop them or you face massive economic sanctions from pretty much every other country in the world.

Chabot: “It’s my opinion that such discussions would get China’s attention, and that China might finally put pressure on North Korea to back off.”

It would certainly get their attention, but the response would more likely be to exponentially ramp up their own nuclear program, which has had a low priority in recent years.

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Lidane  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:55:54pm

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:56:26pm
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Maybe she’s a lizard…

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:58:05pm
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Lidane  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:58:37pm

ICYMI. And yes, this is real:

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thedopefishlives  Mar 8, 2017 • 2:59:25pm

re: #201 Lidane

Wow. Egomaniacal much?

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:00:22pm

thehill.com

King Salman Bin Abdul-Aziz of Saudi Arabia is leading an entourage, including 25 senior princes and 10 ministers, to China later this month, part of a month-long tour of the Asia-Pacific, as the kingdom is seeking to hedge against an unpredictable and divided White House.

While it yearns for a renewed American role in the Middle East and reassurances from President Trump that Riyadh remains an ally, Saudi Arabia now faces a period of uncertainty due to the unpredictability of Trump’s foreign policy stance. That reason alone could explain why a trip to Beijing was planned before a trip to Washington.

Despite its efforts at economic diversification, Saudi Arabia will remain dependent on oil exports for a long time, and China provides the kingdom with a stable market for its energy exports for decades to come.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:00:50pm

re: #198 Lidane

Oh.

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All part of making (White Male) America Great Again…and screw everyone else.

And you white males with no money, screw you too!

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:01:00pm

re: #196 mmmirele

In Arizona, we have jaguars which cross the border from Mexico. A wall would block them from ranging here.

Unless we throw a net they can climb over the wall…

I hate it when they say, ‘There are a lot of them in Mexico [without doing an actual count], we don’t need them here.’ This is their range, across the border. They are magnificent. We need them.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:01:37pm
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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:02:36pm

re: #204 ObserverArt

All part of making (White Male) America Great Again…and screw everyone else.

And you white males with no money, screw you too!

I didn’t vote for Lord Dampnut.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:03:01pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:05:33pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

Unless we throw a net they can climb over the wall…

I hate it when they say, ‘There are a lot of them in Mexico [without doing an actual count], we don’t need them here.’ This is their range, across the border. They are magnificent. We need them.

I don’t know much about a big cat’s behavior and what they would be like in the wild of a state like New Mexico. Do they stay away from people or do they like to get curious about people and you would need to be aware of them in some places they populate?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:07:20pm

550,000 out in Detroit now and the wind is still blowing.

clickondetroit.com

And that’s just DTE. The other big utility in Michigan is Consumers Energy.
Consumers covers the Lansing/East Lansing area and that’s how we met Alice Dreger that Christmas/NewYear’s holiday lo those many years ago. And that’s why I love Twitter and Facebook, even some people like to make totally snarky comments about both.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:09:09pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

I don’t know much about a big cat’s behavior and what they would be like in the wild of a state like New Mexico. Do they stay away from people or do they like to get curious about people and you would need to be aware of them in some places they populate?

I don’t know about New Mexico jaguars, but our mountain lions here seem to be wandering into our towns:
starherald.com

(I don’t know if this is because they are curious, their populations are increasing in the Nebraska Panhandle, they are losing habitat, or maybe all of that)

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:11:39pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

I don’t know much about a big cat’s behavior and what they would be like in the wild of a state like New Mexico. Do they stay away from people or do they like to get curious about people and you would need to be aware of them in some places they populate?

One sighting on the AZ/NM border, otherwise they’ve all been in AZ. They avoid people. People should avoid them.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:11:48pm

Jeff Sessions appears to have left out a third meeting with the Russian envoy (he admitted to two).

huffingtonpost.com;

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:16:08pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS isn’t coming home again…

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calochortus  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:21:14pm

I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet, but there’s a pretty good diary over on Daily Kos. An open letter to America’s coal miners, and to America.

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Lidane  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:27:35pm

Trump’s “tremendous respect” for women apparently doesn’t extend to spelling a Senator’s name correctly:

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DesertDenizen  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:28:07pm

re: #92 BlueGrl21

Was on Facebook earlier and had someone trying to “patiently” explain to me why the Republican plan for health care was a better choice than the ACA.

This is a person that has never read an original source document or had an original thought in their lives. Their argument was all urban legend and hyperbole without one single fact.

I asked for them to provide me with one single way that this bill will improve the ACA. I got, “You’re not going to listen to anything I have to say, you’re a liberal.”

I responded with, “Thanks! I now have a new term for people who defend Trump’s policies in a condescending, fact-free way because my little ol’ brain can’t understand his brilliance! Trumpsplaining! You are a Trumpsplainer!”

He was not amused with my own verbal brilliance.

I plan to use this term very often in the future.

Trumpslaining in action
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:38:31pm

re: #183 Nyet

Amazon stops selling more than 70 Holocaust denial books

This is good, even if not completely consistent. Why don’t you cross-post it as an LGF Page? That would help it get more exposure.

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

More cross-border residents:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:43:57pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:46:23pm

re: #92 BlueGrl21

I swear we have the same friends. lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:46:45pm
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Nyet  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:47:16pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

Done.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:48:55pm

re: #223 Skip Intro

Heh, the box says Trump steaks. Nice touch.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:50:20pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, the box says Trump steaks. Nice touch.

Explains why the dog isn’t interested in them.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:51:44pm

re: #226 Jebediah, RBG

Explains why the dog isn’t interested in them.

Probably precooked to Trump’s specifications…

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:52:05pm

re: #201 Lidane

That’s a real GOP alternative repeal/replace Obamacare bill, but not the one that Ryan took out from the double secret probation lockbox office in the basement. It’s just as shitty though.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:53:07pm

re: #8 BlueGrl21

“And then Baghdad Spice said in his briefing today that he sees no reason why this would strain the relationship between Trump and President Obama.”

What relationship? I assume President Obama was too polite to tell Trump how he truly feels about him during Trump’s post-election White House visit. Why should there be any relationship between a racist who claimed that President Obama wasn’t eligible to hold his office and a decent, successful man like POTUS 44?

I doubt Trump has many relationships where he shows the other party any respect or empathy. He’s the exact opposite of President Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:55:02pm
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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:57:01pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can drill down to all those coal/rust belt counties, and they’ll be among the hardest hit. GOP #DonTCare (or #GOPDontCare).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:57:39pm

re: #231 lawhawk

You can drill down to all those coal/rust belt counties, and they’ll be among the hardest hit. GOP #DonTCare (or #GOPDontCare).

But he’s gonna bring back the coal mine and steel jerbs!!!11!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 3:59:20pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #231 lawhawk

You can drill down to all those coal/rust belt counties, and they’ll be among the hardest hit. GOP #DonTCare (or #GOPDontCare).

They’re the ones who wanted to get rid of Obamacare and have Trump be president, so I say fuck them. Elections have consequences, especially for stupid people.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:01:42pm

re: #233 FormerDirtDart

Time to stop referring to this as “freaky”. It’s the new normal. Lot’s of luck to all of us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:03:17pm

re: #234 Skip Intro

They’re the ones who wanted to get rid of Obamacare and have Trump be president, so I say fuck them. Elections have consequences, especially for stupid people.

yes, but there are a lot of others who didn’t vote that way who are going to go bankrupt and die.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:07:02pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, but there are a lot of others who didn’t vote that way who are going to go bankrupt and die.

As I said, elections have consequences. Yet, even when that happens the same people will still vote for the GOP. There’s not a damn thing anyone can do about that.

I hope they like losing NOAA too, so they won’t have to worry about tornadoes any more. Oh, and poisoned water and air. They voted for all of that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:09:11pm

MrBWS and I have really great union health insurance via IBEW, but I am forced to sign up for Medicare right now. He doesn’t have to do that until 2020.

However, we’ve both agreed that if the GOP healthcare/insurance crapola shit actually hits the fan and becomes the new normal, we will just stay home and die before we have to declare bankruptcy clinging to life and lose every damned thing we’ve worked for all of our lives.

We are NOT going to spend our twilight years living out of the back of a broken down pickup truck just so the .01% can eat fresh strawberries.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:10:17pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

As I said, elections have consequences. Yet, even when that happens the same people will still vote for the GOP. There’s not a damn thing anyone can do about that.

I hope they like losing NOAA too, so they won’t have to worry about tornadoes any more. Oh, and poisoned water and air. They voted for all of that.

“I never thought the leopards would eat my face!” from people who voted for the leopards-eating-faces party.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:14:23pm

re: #239 EPR-radar

The thing is, most of them will never figure out who fucked them over. Fox will tell them Obama and the Democrats did it, and they’ll believe it.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:19:06pm

Oh this is a hoot:

trumpdonald.org

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:21:26pm

re: #241 Anymouse

That blows… :)

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:23:36pm

re: #240 Skip Intro

The thing is, most of them will never figure out who fucked them over. Fox will tell them Obama and the Democrats did it, and they’ll believe it.

Republicans will say what they always say when they wreck the country… “See! When government gets involved it just makes everything worse. St. Reagan was right!”

I swear, I will never understand electing people to government who proudly hate government.

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:27:28pm
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That’s how I thought of him as a candidate. We may never know whether he could have won without help from the Russians. But we will always suspect not.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:29:59pm

For those of us living in Republican-dominated states, a chance (however slim) to bail the GOP out of their healthcare bind by sponsoring Rep. John Conyers’s HR 676 (essentially a Medicare-for-All bill).

wonkette.com

Wonkette opines that if you could somehow tweet support for this bill to Mr. Trump (and convince him it was his own idea), he would support it.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:30:16pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:30:39pm

re: #244 wrenchwench

Marcus H. Johnson ✔ @marcushjohnson
I think 20, 25 years from now they’ll lool back at Trump as a dying gasp of white nationalism trying to beat back changing demographics

I’ll probably be dead by then. I hope it happens within 5 years.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:31:13pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:32:24pm

re: #247 stpaulbear

I’ll probably be dead by then. I hope it happens within 5 years.

May you live forever, and this presidency end soon.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:32:41pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:34:00pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

While special-operations advisers have been on the ground in the country for some time, the move shifts more conventional personnel into the country and represents a new escalation of the US’s involvement there.

Now that has a familiar sound to it. Going from advisors to troops on the ground. Viet Nam 2, here we come.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:35:14pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart

“Anything with the word ‘care’ in it pretty much sounds bad to people these days,” Williams said.

Yup, this is where we are in America in 2017.

TrumpDon’tCare sounds better anyway.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:35:34pm
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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:35:56pm

Dumbass wingnuts posting this stupid meme today about Kurdish female fighters

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:38:03pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Time to make dead Marines and Gold Star Families so the GOP will have someone to prop up their flailing policies. (And then they will call themselves the real patriots.)

Did I ever mention I despise the current crop of conservative politicians?

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stpaulbear  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:38:26pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck etc.

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Nyet  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:38:32pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

I hope all the Intercept-ish drones who bleated about Clinton being a “war candidate” and put all their hopes on Trump’s isolationism are happy now.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:39:05pm

re: #254 electrotek

Dumbass wingnuts posting this stupid meme today about Kurdish female fighters

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Those would be the same wingnuts that don’t want women in the American Armed Forces. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:39:07pm

re: #246 FormerDirtDart

re: #254 electrotek

Dumbass wingnuts posting this stupid meme today about Kurdish female fighters

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What is this, the usual, “They’re not tag-team raping you or throwing you off buildings, so don’t worry your pretty little head about it, little lady!” shit?

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:40:07pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

What is this, the usual, “They’re not tag-team raping you or throwing you off buildings, so don’t worry your pretty little head about it, little lady!” shit?

Never mind the fact that these Kurdish female fighters subscribe to a Marxist ideology that is grossly at odds with the wingnuts’ political fantasies.

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electrotek  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:41:39pm

re: #258 Anymouse

Those would be the same wingnuts that don’t want women in the American Armed Forces. Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

Do you have a story highlighting how opposed they are to women in US Armed Forces?

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:41:47pm

And how long will it be now before US Marines come in direct combat with either Russian or Syrian forces.

Gaaaaa. I want Jimmy Carter again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:41:51pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Saw that earlier today and just smdh

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:43:29pm
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The county where I grew up, which for a long time was the most conservative county in Pennsylvania, and almost certainly went big time for Trump, will be one of the hardest hit if this shit passes.

Suckers.

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Archangelus  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:45:59pm
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TedStriker  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:46:07pm

re: #255 Anymouse

Time to make dead Marines and Gold Star Families so the GOP will have someone to prop up their flailing policies. (And then they will call themselves the real patriots.)

Did I ever mention I despise the current crop of conservative politicians?

Got have those flag-draped coffins coming in to Dover AFB, so that Orange Julius can get his photo ops in.

*retches*

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:46:23pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

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The county where I grew up, which for a long time was the most conservative county in Pennsylvania, and almost certainly went big time for Trump, will be one of the hardest hit if this shit passes.

Suckers.

Kind of like the farmers in California’s Central Valley who are worrying about who will do the work when Trump deports their farm workers.

I guess they thought he would just fuck over the other guy, not them. How can anyone who has spent more than 2 minutes reviewing Trump’s career have come to that conclusion?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:48:19pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

Saw that earlier today and just smdh

Trump is such a fucking dumbass. He’s not just the triumph of white nationalism. He’s the triumph of arrogant ignorance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:51:48pm

re: #265 Archangelus

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and that’s just premiums…add on the deductible and co-pays.
We’re talking about people who spend most of their paychecks on RENT, then food comes second.
It’s insane.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:52:20pm

re: #266 TedStriker

Got have those flag-draped coffins coming in to Dover AFB, so that Orange Julius can get his photo ops in.

*retches*

President Obama argued with the GOP for a new AUMF that was updated to current conditions and they wouldn’t do it.

The GOP has entirely abdicated its power and duty in Congress to declare war and make peace.

This idea had to come from President Bannon. The GOP will play right along, because they need dead heroes and grieving widows and children (just like Nixon did getting my own father killed) to deflect attention from their RyanNoCare insurance plan and gutting the social safety net.

One thing about conservatives, they are consistent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:55:02pm

re: #267 Skip Intro

Kind of like the farmers in California’s Central Valley who are worrying about who will do the work when Trump deports their farm workers.

I guess they thought he would just fuck over the other guy, not them. How can anyone who has spent more than 2 minutes reviewing Trump’s career have come to that conclusion?

yeah, but those cattle and big grain farmers in flyover country don’t have to worry about not selling their products to coastal elites anymore since Hillary lost…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:55:09pm

Honest to god, with every passing day I care less and less about those people who weren’t strong Trump supporters but voted for him anyway because they thought they’d give him a chance, or that we needed change, or whatever stupid reason they told themselves.

Every time someone does an interview with a bunch of them, they’re always saying they didn’t think he really meant it, or some damned thing. The information was out there for months. Any idiot could tell Trump not only lies incessantly, but also that he’s really dumb as a fucking stump, and completely uninterested in becoming less dumb. And they voted for him anyway because reasons.

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Moebym  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:56:03pm

Insults Jon Huntsman.

Appoints him as Ambassador to Russia.

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DesertDenizen  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:56:50pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

One sighting on the AZ/NM border, otherwise they’ve all been in AZ. They avoid people. People should avoid them.

Three sightings in my home of Cochise County in the last year.

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stpaulbear  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:57:05pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

and that’s just premiums…add on the deductible and co-pays.
We’re talking about people who spend most of their paychecks on RENT, then food comes second.
It’s insane.

And then if he misses two insurance payments he has to pay an additional 30% premium penalty for a year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:57:27pm

I just found a bunch of smoker recipes about how to make venison pastrami.

I. am. in. heaven.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 4:58:00pm
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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:00:31pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, with every passing day I care less and less about those people who weren’t strong Trump supporters but voted for him anyway because they thought they’d give him a chance, or that we needed change, or whatever stupid reason they told themselves.

Every time someone does an interview with a bunch of them, they’re always saying they didn’t think he really meant it, or some damned thing. The information was out there for months. Any idiot could tell Trump not only lies incessantly, but also that he’s really dumb as a fucking stump, and completely uninterested in becoming less dumb. And they voted for him anyway because reasons.

See Sinclair Media Group. Little or no Internet. Consistently right-leaning newspapers.

Conservatives have been playing the long game on propaganda, and it’s a helluva drug.

Now with the attempt to get rid of Net Neutrality, Websites not financed by billionaires and corporations are in real danger.

Did some Trump voters vote out of bigotry? Absolutely! Did all of them? No.

My newspaper today is reporting on why the Wikileaks information might be true.

Maybe some rich billionaire liberals would be interested in building something akin to Radio Free Heartland?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:01:24pm

re: #273 Moebym

Insults Jon Huntsman.

Appoints him as Ambassador to Russia.

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Huntsman family has business interests in Russia, so it’s all good…

The Huntsman family has had its own business ties in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, and Huntsman International LLC operates six businesses in the country, including plants creating pigments and polyurethanes.

Huntsman was involved in the family’s early business dealings in Moscow. The chemical empire, led by family patriarch Jon Huntsman Sr., was among the first U.S. companies that sought business ties after the end of the Cold War. Huntsman Sr. withdrew his business when Russia slapped retroactive taxes and penalties on companies.

“Our intent was to create a microcosm of free-market activity in the Soviet Union,” the younger Jon Huntsman, then-vice chairman of the Huntsman Group, told The Salt Lake Tribune in 1994. “Right now, the situation makes it too difficult to proceed. If the environment improves, we will look at it again.”

sltrib.com

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Nyet  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:02:43pm

More about those bullshit CT “dead Russians” lists.

A Suspicious Death In Trump’s Orbit? “Total Bullshit,” Says Family

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:05:17pm

re: #279 Anymouse

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Trump didn’t win because people in the middle of nowhere didn’t have access to the information. Those places weren’t going to go for Clinton in any case. The voters who swung it for Trump were the folks in places that have cable, and have internet, and who thus had access to all the information they needed. They’re just too stupid to properly evaluate it.

And sure, you could call me elitist, or say my attitude is why Trump won, but really - Trump won because a lot of America is dumb enough to vote for him.

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Moebym  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:05:26pm

For a palate cleanser, how about Sir Patrick Stewart welcoming his new foster dog, a pitbull named Ginger?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:06:01pm

Between DTE and Consumers Energy, it’s getting very close to a million customers without power in Michigan right now.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:06:43pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Uh, the entire House is up in 2018……

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:08:30pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Trump didn’t win because people in the middle of nowhere didn’t have access to the information. Those places weren’t going to go for Clinton in any case. The voters who swung it for Trump were the folks in places that have cable, and have internet, and who thus had access to all the information they needed. They’re just too stupid to properly evaluate it.

And sure, you could call me elitist, or say my attitude is why Trump won, but really - Trump won because a lot of America is dumb enough to vote for him.

Exactly ^^THIS^^.

In Kentucky it was all about the dying coal industry and the eejits believed every single lie.

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nines09  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:09:22pm

re: #274 lawhawk

Pennsylvania went Red. Here is one of your rewards. Stay tuned for more winning!

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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:09:57pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are the wingnuts in your midst any closer to realizing they’re about to lose their healthcare altogether? And if so, are they blaming Obama?

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:10:00pm
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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:11:29pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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What else can you say? Good luck and Godspeed, ladies and gentlemen.

At least they are there in a supporting arms role. Those 155s fire a shell called an Excalibur (at $68,000 a pop) that has a circular error of less that 5 meters at 20 miles.

Those guns will be heavily defended by Marines who aren’t going to let the bad guys anywhere near those guns. In the opening moves against Mosul last spring a similar unit had only one casualty (rocket attack) the entire time they were there.

Semper Fi and oo-rah!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:11:32pm

re: #289 Interesting Times

Are the wingnuts in your midst any closer to realizing they’re about to lose their healthcare altogether? And if so, are they blaming Obama?

They are totally screaming at Trump and McConnell.

But I keep saying “I TOLD YOU! But you kept calling me a liar…”

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:16:50pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, with every passing day I care less and less about those people who weren’t strong Trump supporters but voted for him anyway because they thought they’d give him a chance, or that we needed change, or whatever stupid reason they told themselves.

Every time someone does an interview with a bunch of them, they’re always saying they didn’t think he really meant it, or some damned thing. The information was out there for months. Any idiot could tell Trump not only lies incessantly, but also that he’s really dumb as a fucking stump, and completely uninterested in becoming less dumb. And they voted for him anyway because reasons.

These reasons almost always involving, at a minimum, their seriously under-examined white privilege.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:16:56pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Trump didn’t win because people in the middle of nowhere didn’t have access to the information. Those places weren’t going to go for Clinton in any case. The voters who swung it for Trump were the folks in places that have cable, and have internet, and who thus had access to all the information they needed. They’re just too stupid to properly evaluate it.

And sure, you could call me elitist, or say my attitude is why Trump won, but really - Trump won because a lot of America is dumb enough to vote for him.

And why wouldn’t people in the red states not vote for Hillary Clinton? A thirty-year bullshit propaganda campaign by the same media outlets.

Not calling you elitist. I will say like it or not square miles matter in our Electoral College system, and what you have to run for is Electoral College votes. It doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton won by ten million votes or twenty million votes in New York and California. What matters is she lost by the Electoral College vote.

(I would point you at Stonekettle’s latest article on this problem. A whole bunch of folk voted out of fear, and calling them stupid or uninformed is not going to make them vote for your candidate.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:19:41pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:21:17pm

re: #295 Anymouse

And why wouldn’t people in the red states not vote for Hillary Clinton? A thirty-year bullshit propaganda campaign by the same media outlets.

Not calling you elitist. I will say like it or not square miles matter in our Electoral College system, and what you have to run for is Electoral College votes. It doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton won by ten million votes or twenty million votes in New York and California. What matters is she lost by the Electoral College vote.

(I would point you at Stonekettle’s latest article on this problem. A whole bunch of folk voted out of fear, and calling them stupid or uninformed is not going to make them vote for your candidate.)

They are both stupid AND uniformed, and voted out of fear for someone who doesn’t give a shit about them or their lives, health, or security, BECAUSE they’re stupid and uninformed. Sorry to be so harsh, but I grew up in a rural, conservative county, and guess what? Those people were stupid and uninformed.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:21:27pm

re: #294 EPR-radar

These reasons almost always involving, at a minimum, their seriously under-examined white privilege.

And nothing to do with the media outlets in swing states continually beating a dead horse of E-mails, Benghazi, or Clinton Foundation pay-to-play.

I wonder how many of the people in those states who didn’t vote at all just stayed away from the decades of “both parties are the same” crap.

Too bad a few tens of thousands of non-voters in three states couldn’t be bothered because they looked at Trump and Clinton and saw two sides of the same coin.

Propaganda’s a helluva drug. There’s a reason people like John McCain are on Sunday politics shows practically every week.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:24:39pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

A perfect Babylon 5 rejoinder if there ever was one.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:25:37pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

They are both stupid AND uniformed, and voted out of fear for someone who doesn’t give a shit about them or their lives, health, or security, BECAUSE they’re stupid and uninformed. Sorry to be so harsh, but I grew up in a rural, conservative county, and guess what? Those people were stupid and uninformed.

Can I start a GoFundMe for Radio Free Heartland?

My newspaper today has nothing but Wikileaks and why they are true. It has not covered the Russia issue. The local television stations do not either.

You want to tell me where people in places like this that exist all over the country should get their information? Perhaps we should have some sort of screening process for voters perhaps, to ensure they are informed on the issues? Maybe, I don’t know, a test perhaps?

Like it or not, square miles do matter in our system. Since that system is not going away, perhaps focusing on those who don’t vote at all might be a worthwhile strategy.

But okay, I live in a state of stupid people I guess. That’ll win a lot of votes.

Guess what: even stupid people have the right to vote.

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TedStriker  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:26:10pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Trump didn’t win because people in the middle of nowhere didn’t have access to the information. Those places weren’t going to go for Clinton in any case. The voters who swung it for Trump were the folks in places that have cable, and have internet, and who thus had access to all the information they needed. They’re just too stupid to properly evaluate it.

And sure, you could call me elitist, or say my attitude is why Trump won, but really - Trump won because a lot of America is dumb enough to vote for him.

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly ^^THIS^^.

In Kentucky it was all about the dying coal industry and the eejits believed every single lie.

Dumbness and stupidity had a lot to do with it, but don’t discount the power of hate and bigotry against those not like them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:27:14pm

Dead horse is still dead, no matter how long it is flogged…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:27:48pm

re: #301 TedStriker

Dumbness and stupidity had a lot to do with it, but don’t discount the power of hate and bigotry against those not like them.

That, too.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:28:12pm

Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan all went for Obama. They suddenly are all brain-dead and went for Trump? No voter suppression, no gerrymandering, it’s all because the voters are brain dead. Got it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:29:14pm

re: #304 Anymouse

Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan all went for Obama. They suddenly are all brain-dead and went for Trump? No voter suppression, no gerrymandering, it’s all because the voters are brain dead. Got it.

ummm…you might want to check on that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:30:04pm

re: #300 Anymouse

But okay, I live in a state of stupid people I guess. That’ll win a lot of votes.

Guess what: even stupid people have the right to vote.

Yep. And that’s why we’re fucked. Because if you appeal to their better natures, and tell them the truth, they’ll vote for the other guy who appeals to their hate and fear and promises them what they know is impossible.

We’re fucked until we can outnumber them and undo the things that give them that power - gerrymandering, the Electoral College, etc.

I don’t think there’s an appeal that Democrats could make to people who would vote for Trump that isn’t a betrayal of our core values as Democrats.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:33:34pm

Well, at this point I will take a break. I would encourage you to actually read Jim Wright’s latest post. No one could accuse him of being a purity pony. His observations line up exactly what I see here, and what I saw in Oklahoma. I’m guessing Mr. Wright is just pissing in the wind to an awful lot of liberals though (you can read some of that in the comments on his latest post).

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:34:02pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s former Trump National Security Adviser, who was forced to resign over his Russia contacts.

The entire admin reeks from all corners. There isn’t anyone in the admin with clean hands. Not a single person. Not Carson. Not Chao. Not anyone. The rot starts at the top with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:34:34pm

re: #307 Anymouse

Well, at this point I will take a break. I would encourage you to actually read Jim Wright’s latest post. No one could accuse him of being a purity pony. His observations line up exactly what I see here, and what I saw in Oklahoma. I’m guessing Mr. Wright is just pissing in the wind to an awful lot of liberals though (you can read some of that in the comments on his latest post).

I have known Jim for years. Stop with the insults.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:38:48pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…you might want to check on that.

You might also note that the TOTAL margin across all 3 states was less than 78,000 out of 13 Million votes. It’s not like ALL of PA, WI, and MI went for Trump. It was just enough people in the middle. You get that by slightly lower turnout among some groups and a greater willingness to flush the entire country down the drain among blue collar whites.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:39:26pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

You might also note that the TOTAL margin across all 3 states was less than 78,000 out of 13 Million votes. It’s not like ALL of PA, WI, and MI went for Trump. It was just enough people in the middle. You get that by slightly lower turnout among some groups and a greater willingness to flush the entire country down the drain among blue collar whites.

obviously just pesky details…….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:40:07pm

re: #307 Anymouse

Well, at this point I will take a break. I would encourage you to actually read Jim Wright’s latest post. No one could accuse him of being a purity pony. His observations line up exactly what I see here, and what I saw in Oklahoma. I’m guessing Mr. Wright is just pissing in the wind to an awful lot of liberals though (you can read some of that in the comments on his latest post).

Dude, I’ve read Jim Wright. He’s a smart guy and all, but he’s not a god.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:40:48pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have known Jim for years. Stop with the insults.

I’m insulting neither Mr. Wright nor you. I’m asking you to read his post.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:41:10pm

re: #313 Anymouse

I’m insulting neither Mr. Wright nor you. I’m asking you to read his post.

well, duh…………………..

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:43:38pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, duh…………………..

Well, now that we have that cleared up. (:: We’re still all on the same side I think. (At least I hope we are, and I really hate to think of political issues as “sides” but that’s where we’re at these days.)

I really gotta go now… . be back sometime in the middle of the night or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:46:07pm

sigh………..

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:54:07pm

re: #284 Moebym

love them both

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majii  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:34:50pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

“They are both stupid AND uniformed, and voted out of fear for someone who doesn’t give a shit about them or their lives, health, or security, BECAUSE they’re stupid and uninformed. Sorry to be so harsh, but I grew up in a rural, conservative county, and guess what? Those people were stupid and uninformed.”

While I was preparing my dinner last week, something entered my mind as I was thinking about Trump and those who voted for him. I reached the conclusion that, to a certain extent, his supporters voted for him because they like being entertained and not because they were looking for someone to be a good leader for the nation. I was recalling the way they behaved at his rallies when he would say stupid sh*t and make outrageous claims. They lapped it up and wanted more. They were being entertained by a 1st Class BS artist. I read an article in the LA Times earlier today about a woman who voted for Trump and is now in danger of losing her healthcare coverage. She’s also a cancer survivor. She told the LAT journalist that she thought Trump’s talk was just “bluster.” Well, she’s about to find out the hard way that when a GOP politician talks about destroying a law simply because its party didn’t pass it, they’re deadly serious about doing it.


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