A Gorgeous Performance on 18-String Acoustic Guitar by Ian Ethan Case: “The Circle (4 Seasons in 1 Day)”

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:10:20pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:13:16pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:14:55pm

I’ve come to the conclusion that Ryan’s best play is to make a halfhearted stab at passing this monstrosity, and then settle back onto “Denounce And Preserve”, because if they did manage to pass it, the downstream effects would be horrific for the GOP. If they try and fail, the base might be a bit upset with them, but hell, they’re not going anywhere.

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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:15:25pm
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451_Montag  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:16:32pm

I just realised that GOPdon’tcare is awesome

GOP. Don. T Care

Branding!

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:16:46pm

Because my timing is so bad, a repost from downstairs concerning the Marine Arty unit now in Syria:

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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What else can you say? Good luck and Godspeed, ladies and gentlemen.

At least they are there in a supporting arms role. Those 155s fire a shell called an Excalibur (at $68,000 a pop) that has a circular error of less that 5 meters at 20 miles.

Those guns will be heavily defended by Marines who aren’t going to let the bad guys anywhere near them. In the opening moves against Mosul last spring a similar Marine unit had only one casualty (rocket attack) the entire time they were there.

Semper Fi and oo-rah! Get some.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:19:10pm

Bottom line from SpaceX. 90 million is a lot of money to be sure, but to anyone who knows about the economics of spaceflight, these figures are amazingly low. The 9 Heavy is one third the cost of its nearest legacy competitor, the Delta IV Heavy, and has twice the payload. The great Saturn V Moon rockets cost $300 million each in 1960s dollars. If it weren’t for their pet congress-critters and corrupt corporate partners, the legacy profiteers would be out of business. Btw, SpaceX has a history of sticking to its advertised pricing.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:21:22pm

re: #4 Interesting Times

I fully expect a Countess Bathory type scandal to surface for Peter Thiel in due course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:21:31pm

because, of course…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:21:42pm
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Moebym  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:23:00pm

Ugh.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:24:54pm

re: #11 Moebym

The ability of the US to respond capably to any foreign policy development is on hold. Indefinitely.

Of course Russia et al. are going to take advantage of this.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:25:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:26:21pm

re: #12 EPR-radar

The ability of the US to respond capably to any foreign policy development at all is on hold. Indefinitely.

Of course Russia et al. are going to take advantage of this.

FTFY

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:26:27pm

re: #13 Belafon

The real threat to US democracy is the Republican party itself. POTUS* Trump is merely a symptom of larger problems.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:26:44pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:28:19pm

The younger years.

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:28:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:28:39pm
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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:28:49pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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By the way, Charles, that tune is just killer bee. And I’m surprised that Ovation only goes for $1,200.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:30:38pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alan Grayson was a bit of a loose cannon, but his summary of the Republican health care plan is evergreen:

1) Don’t get sick.

2) If you do, die quickly.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:30:49pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

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After I got out of the Navy, I grew my hair long and grew a beard, though not as long as theirs. I cut the hair shorter after 18 years because I am thinning out on top.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:31:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:32:02pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe Ryan is thinking that this will appeal to the Millenials, since the Olds will either vote Republican regardless, or NEVER vote Republican.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:32:46pm

Wow, shot of the day

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:33:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:33:51pm

I am so very tired of the internet today.
Give me this…
Give me this forever

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:35:01pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tough to do when the GOP wants to defund medical and scientific research.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:35:31pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe Ryan is thinking that this will appeal to the Millenials, since the Olds will either vote Republican regardless, or NEVER vote Republican.

Ryan is probably enough of a free-market zealot that he isn’t thinking about the politics of this at all. Any ‘free market’ reform of Obamacare is going to raise costs for the old and the sick and lower costs for the young and healthy. That’s the entire point of the exercise for a fucknut like Ryan.

Let’s hope the AARP does a full mobilization against this GOPDonTCare crap.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:37:55pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

Shots past half court should be worth 5 points.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:38:10pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

Wow, shot of the day

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That was great!

“Okay, kids, watch what grandpa did when he was 19 years old back in two thousand and seventeen…”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:40:23pm

re: #18 Belafon

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Looks a bit like Suarez after minimal contact with an opposing player.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:40:47pm
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Kragar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:41:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:41:37pm

re: #20 austin_blue

By the way, Charles, that tune is just killer bee. And I’m surprised that Ovation only goes for $1,200.

It’s really great, and the video is killer too. Ian is one of the best new acoustic guitar players I’ve seen. Amazing independence on that double-neck guitar.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:41:43pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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stpaulbear  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:42:12pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

Ryan is probably enough of a free-market zealot that he isn’t thinking about the politics of this at all. Any ‘free market’ reform of Obamacare is going to raise costs for the old and the sick and lower costs for the young and healthy. That’s the entire point of the exercise for a fucknut like Ryan.

Let’s hope the AARP does a full mobilization against this GOPDonTCare crap.

Stop the Age Tax

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nines09  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:42:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:44:23pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We didn’t find a cure for Polio, for fucks sake! It’s an INFECTIOUS DISEASE, and we INVENTED a VACCINE. Lots and lots of people who had been infected with Polio still suffered the effects FOR DECADES, but most of them have died by now.

Heart disease, Cancer, Diabetes, Alzheimers? Holy shit, we’ve been working on all those since before the Polio vaccine, and we’ve made GREAT STRIDES, but curing? Yeah, good luck with that. Think we can do that on the shoestring that Trump wants to put into Science?

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:46:19pm

re: #32 Barefoot Grin

Looks a bit like Suarez after minimal contact with an opposing player.

The Biter! Jaws.

So Barcelona needed three goals in the last seven minutes of regular and injury time or they were out of the Champion’s League and Paris Saint Germaine were through.

They scored three goals.

PSG showed up at the airport wearing sackcloths over their heads with ashes in their pockets. A FAIL for the ages.

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William Lewis  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:49:09pm

re: #40 austin_blue

The Biter! Jaws.

So Barcelona needed three goals in the last seven minutes of regular and injury time or they were out of the Champion’s League and Paris Saint Germaine were through.

They scored three goals.

PSG showed up at the airport wearing sackcloths over their heads with ashes in their pockets. A FAIL for the ages.

WHAT???? (Googles.) Boggles. That’s as bad a meltdown as I’ve seen in ages. That’s almost as bad as the 0-4 loss that my Gunners took recently.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:49:33pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:53:39pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course we don’t have the resources for anything!!! ALL is for our Lords and Masters, the plutocrats.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:56:21pm

Gov. Brownback of Kansas may be heading to the UN? Yeah, that’s what it looks like.

Kansans are cheering. Because Brownback fucked up the Kansas economy royally with his tax giveaway to passthrough business entities (so every business decided it was best to set up as one). The GOP controlled legislature tried to repeal this nonsense because the budget was completely fucked up to the point that even the state supreme court said the state was failing to properly fund education obligations.

Brownback vetoed the plan. The GOP have been trying to push a Kansas style plan everywhere, including at the federal level. The mess Brownback leaves in his wake would be repeated everywhere.

So, if Brownback goes to the UN, the state has a chance to recover. Maybe.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:57:51pm

re: #40 austin_blue

The Biter! Jaws.

So Barcelona needed three goals in the last seven minutes of regular and injury time or they were out of the Champion’s League and Paris Saint Germaine were through.

They scored three goals.

PSG showed up at the airport wearing sackcloths over their heads with ashes in their pockets. A FAIL for the ages.

What a game! At least PSG can say “we ain’t Arsenal.” (Not sure which is worse though.)

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Joe Bacon  Mar 8, 2017 • 5:59:43pm

re: #34 Kragar

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:02:48pm
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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:03:26pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:04:50pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Alan Grayson was a bit of a loose cannon, but his summary of the Republican health care plan is evergreen:

1) Don’t get sick.

2) If you do, die quickly.

Euthanasia drugs are expensive, what with being all used up in death penalty states. So the now TrumpDon’tCare plan adds this benefit. From left to right, Gold, Silver and Bronze plan benefits.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:05:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:06:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:09:09pm

re: #44 lawhawk

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Gov. Brownback of Kansas may be heading to the UN? Yeah, that’s what it looks like.

Kansans are cheering. Because Brownback fucked up the Kansas economy royally with his tax giveaway to passthrough business entities (so every business decided it was best to set up as one). The GOP controlled legislature tried to repeal this nonsense because the budget was completely fucked up to the point that even the state supreme court said the state was failing to properly fund education obligations.

Brownback vetoed the plan. The GOP have been trying to push a Kansas style plan everywhere, including at the federal level. The mess Brownback leaves in his wake would be repeated everywhere.

So, if Brownback goes to the UN, the state has a chance to recover. Maybe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:14:13pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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I just signed in after receiving a text to my T-Mobile phone. It occurred almost instantly, instead of taking up to a minute as it used to.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:15:47pm
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Jay C  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:17:28pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is whoever might replace Brownback as KS Governor (Lt. Gov.? whoever?) likely to be THAT much of an improvement?* I’m guessing, it being Kansas, that he’d be a GOP winger (and, it being the KS GOP, a “he”).

* quite a low bar to hurdle, I know…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:18:42pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:19:55pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

FYI. Lucky me, T-Mobile. No luck here with the cell phone method.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:21:39pm

re: #44 lawhawk

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Being shipped off to Rome to be United States Representative to the United Nations Agencies for Food and Agriculture with the rank of Ambassador during his tenure of service (thanks Wikipedia) seems like a bit of a setback for Brownback.
Seems like only yesterday he was considered a serious contender for the presidency by the GOP. Now he can’t even get offered the concurrent Ambassadorship to Fiji, Kiribati, Nauru, Tonga, and Tuvalu

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:21:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:24:01pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The candles were still burning centuries later? WOW!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:24:07pm

pretty safe to say that couch is NOT IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:26:19pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart

That’s on my bucket list now. Been there with kittens tho!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:27:13pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty safe to say that couch is NOT IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

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And not a formal event and… and… This crew sould be collectively called the thinskins.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:29:06pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

I just signed in after receiving a text to my T-Mobile phone. It occurred almost instantly, instead of taking up to a minute as it used to.

Great. Glad it’s working better, but I’m a little pissed off at T-Mobile for blocking LGF email without any way to appeal.

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MsJ  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:29:30pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy cow. 600k people without power.

I’m near there and I was watching 45’ tall trees with 3’ across trunks bend in my backyard. I can’t remember being as scared as I was today.

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stpaulbear  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:30:43pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

The story says that “The caves were reportedly sealed up in 2012 in a bid to keep away vandals and practitioners of “black magic”.”

sadly, this doesn’t sound like this was some amazing new find.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:31:26pm

heh

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:32:12pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Great. Glad it’s working better, but I’m a little pissed off at T-Mobile for blocking LGF email without any way to appeal.

Me too. I happen to oversee a bunch of lines with them. Time to pitch a fit from the corporate customer side. I may ask for some details to include if I can get to anyone worthy.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:32:19pm

re: #57 Unshaken Defiance

FYI. Lucky me, T-Mobile. No luck here with the cell phone method.

Try again. I forgot to update the Account Settings app with the new email sender info. Should work now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:34:00pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:34:45pm

Maddow discussing the bloodbath at the State Dept. It’s worse than I knew. Tillerson now firing 40 year careers diplomats. Nobody being replaced.

Jesus.

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The Spite House  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:36:12pm

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

Maddow discussing the bloodbath at the State Dept. It’s worse than I knew. Tillerson now firing 40 year careers diplomats. Nobody being replaced.

Jesus.

SMALLER GUVERMINT!

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The Spite House  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:37:10pm

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

Maddow discussing the bloodbath at the State Dept. It’s worse than I knew. Tillerson now firing 40 year careers diplomats. Nobody being replaced.

Jesus.

ALL ARE BEST DIPLOMATS CARRY ASSALT RIFLES!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:38:41pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:39:15pm

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

Maddow discussing the bloodbath at the State Dept. It’s worse than I knew. Tillerson now firing 40 year careers diplomats. Nobody being replaced.

Jesus.

This is why the many Trump non-nominations are the best news so far this year. Anyone that Trump nominates would almost certainly be a curse and affliction on the affected agency.

Tillerson’s job is obviously to shut down the state department, which Trump and the GOP both regard as totally useless. Trump-style diplomacy will consist exclusively of more or less vulgar variations on demands to fellate the Orange Menace.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:39:18pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Well, can’t say we weren’t warned about this.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:39:49pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Yes, and it does seem to come through faster than before. Thank You Sir!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:42:45pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Yup working now. And I should have kept the reserve numbers where I could find them. Pro tip for users of the feature, obstacles can arise.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:46:15pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

Tillerson’s job is obviously to shut down the state department, which Trump and the GOP both regard as totally useless. Trump-style diplomacy will consist exclusively of more or less vulgar variations on demands to fellate the Orange Menace.

When you lose institutional memory, you lose the ability to deal with problems. Putin has been sowing discord throughout West and now we will have no one with the knowledge to deal with this. Trump and his people are turning world over to Putin.

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Varek Raith  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:46:38pm

Good evening.
The Azure Window is no more.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:47:32pm
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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:49:23pm

re: #41 William Lewis

WHAT???? (Googles.) Boggles. That’s as bad a meltdown as I’ve seen in ages. That’s almost as bad as the 0-4 loss that my Gunners took recently.

Oh, much worse. Four goals in 90 minutes? Amateurs!

PSG can give up 3 in six minutes and change!

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:52:14pm

re: #44 lawhawk

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Gov. Brownback of Kansas may be heading to the UN? Yeah, that’s what it looks like.

Kansans are cheering. Because Brownback fucked up the Kansas economy royally with his tax giveaway to passthrough business entities (so every business decided it was best to set up as one). The GOP controlled legislature tried to repeal this nonsense because the budget was completely fucked up to the point that even the state supreme court said the state was failing to properly fund education obligations.

Brownback vetoed the plan. The GOP have been trying to push a Kansas style plan everywhere, including at the federal level. The mess Brownback leaves in his wake would be repeated everywhere.

So, if Brownback goes to the UN, the state has a chance to recover. Maybe.

But the poor UN!!

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:53:25pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

I just signed in after receiving a text to my T-Mobile phone. It occurred almost instantly, instead of taking up to a minute as it used to.

Just as a data point for Charles, I’m using Google authenticator via an app on my Pebble watch. Works a treat.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:53:31pm

re: #57 Unshaken Defiance

That’s why I went with the MS Authentication app….

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:55:30pm

Now, that doesn’t seem good

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Donkey With No Name  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:56:30pm

re: #44 lawhawk

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Gov. Brownback of Kansas may be heading to the UN? Yeah, that’s what it looks like.

Kansans are cheering. Because Brownback fucked up the Kansas economy royally with his tax giveaway to passthrough business entities (so every business decided it was best to set up as one). The GOP controlled legislature tried to repeal this nonsense because the budget was completely fucked up to the point that even the state supreme court said the state was failing to properly fund education obligations.

Brownback vetoed the plan. The GOP have been trying to push a Kansas style plan everywhere, including at the federal level. The mess Brownback leaves in his wake would be repeated everywhere.

So, if Brownback goes to the UN, the state has a chance to recover. Maybe.

So he fails upward? Great.

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William Lewis  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:56:39pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Good evening.
The Azure Window is no more.

Natural erosion effects and not humans being stupid? I can deal with that.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:58:55pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 6:59:55pm
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William Lewis  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:00:48pm

re: #82 austin_blue

Oh, much worse. Four goals in 90 minutes? Amateurs!

PSG can give up 3 in six minutes and change!

What has to gall PSG all the more is remembering Feb 14:

PSG 4
Barca 0

Barcelona got their revenge and then some.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:06:55pm
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Cheechako  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:08:13pm

Boy, trump is making huugh budget cuts. I think he really believes the $’s he’s saving get deposited into the TrumpUSA LLC account for his personal use.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:12:07pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

This is what his voters wanted, and they didn’t think they’d be affected by it. And Republicans in Congress want to get part of the spoils.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:13:04pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:14:17pm

re: #94 Belafon

This is what his voters wanted, and they didn’t think they’d be affected by it. And Republicans in Congress want to get part of the spoils.

Because JD Vance says those hillbillys are angry that those libruls look down on them and by cracky, they were gonna do sometin’ about it!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:15:01pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:15:29pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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The 28% will accept is as Gospel. However, most other voters tend to blame the party in the WH for shit that goes wrong, and Trumpcare has had a real bad start…

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:17:20pm

re: #91 William Lewis

What has to gall PSG all the more is remembering Feb 14:

PSG 4
Barca 0

Barcelona got their revenge and then some.

They just went all French Tits Up. Two penalties to Barca and horrible marking.

A jaw-dropping collapse. I’m surprised the owner isn’t making them walk across the Pyrenees to get back to not so gay Paree.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:19:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:19:29pm
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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:19:53pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

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This is why I still have a land line.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:22:06pm

At some point you realize that many of the people, like Rep Chaffetz, infesting the current GOP are objectively evil.

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Archangelus  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:22:17pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:23:00pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

Verizon 911 was out where I live in CA this morning.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:23:52pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

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At some point you realize that many of the people, like Rep Chaffetz, infesting the current GOP are objectively evil.

Most, not many.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:24:55pm

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

Maddow discussing the bloodbath at the State Dept. It’s worse than I knew. Tillerson now firing 40 year careers diplomats. Nobody being replaced.

Jesus.

We are living in the midst of a Russian coup.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:25:49pm

re: #105 Skip Intro

Verizon 911 was out where I live in CA this morning.

So, Verizon, T-Moble and AT&T have all had problems today. Coincidence, or is someone beta testing their cracker algorithms?

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:26:31pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Archangelus  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:26:55pm

re: #99 austin_blue

They just went all French Tits Up. Two penalties to Barca and horrible marking.

A jaw-dropping collapse. I’m surprised the owner isn’t making them walk across the Pyrenees to get back to not so gay Paree.

PSG’s game went from bad to worse to Brazil…

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:28:18pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gee, maybe they’ll take Rauner away, too, and Illinois might get a budget!

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:28:47pm
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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:30:41pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:32:00pm

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:33:43pm

Good night. Have to work tomorrow.

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:36:48pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

Boy, we were lucky to at least be able to force him out, but I suspect DT still listens to him.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:37:00pm

“James Rosen had his phone, multiple phones tapped,” Spicer said at the daily press briefing. The comment was made while Spicer was addressing a question about leaks from the intelligence community…”

That claim, which has been propagating in conservative media for several days, was shot down by none other than Rosen himself during a recent appearance on Fox News.

“I was not wiretapped, my parents were not wiretapped, which is where you place a listening device on someone’s telephone line and you listen to their conversations,” Rosen told Fox & Friends on Sunday after the show’s hosts claimed his phones were tapped.

Instead, Rosen explained, former Attorney General Eric Holder had secretly designated Rosen a criminal co-conspirator — because he had received classified information from a former State Department contractor — thereby giving the government permission to subpoena Rosen’s emails and phone records, including those of his parents.

And then the administration’s usual response was issued:

When asked to clarify the administration’s stance, White House deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders told CNNMoney, “There are multiple reports on this matter.”

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:44:47pm

re: #116 retired cynic

Boy, we were lucky to at least be able to force him out, but I suspect DT still listens to him.

I doubt we forced him out. His usefulness was compromised so he had to leave. Trump has plenty of other Russian moles working in high positions for the Kremlin. Rex Tillerson, for example.

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MsJ  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:45:53pm
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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

It’s almost as if they have no idea how government actually works. Or they don’t care. I’m not sure which is worse

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:48:00pm

OK, it’s time to “Costanza” and leave on a high note…

Giphy

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 8, 2017 • 7:58:26pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart

OK, it’s time to “Costanza” and leave on a high note…

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So, it finally, really, actually happened in literal fact. About time

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:05:02pm

Ever the contrarian, Naked Capitalism picks up that maybe Trump was spied upon-but not in the way that Trump alleges that he was:

At the 50,000 foot level, Trump’s claim is trivial. Anyone who paid attention to the Edward Snowden revelations knows that the NSA is in a total data acquisition mode, hoovering up information from smart devices and able to use computers and tablets as monitoring devices. But Trump used the word “wiretapping,” which gave his opponents a huge out, since that means a judge gave a warrant to allow for monitoring. And pinning surveillance on Obama personally was another huge stretch. In other words, Trump took what could have been an almost certain statement of fact, and by larding it up with dodgy particulars, pushed it well into crazypants terrain.

What made Trump look bad was the FBI making clear it was not snooping on Trump, when the FBI would have been involved in a wiretap. Lambert and I discussed that it wasn’t hard to come up with scenarios that weren’t wiretaps by which Trump could have been spied upon while keeping Obama Administration hands clean. The most obvious was to have another member of the Five Eyes do the dirty work.

What is therefore striking about this report is that Wilkerson, who is no fan of Trump, nevertheless is defending him in this matter. That is a sign that he regards the campaign against Trump as dangerous from an institutional perspective. And he states that the idea that Lambert and I had casually bandied about, that a foreign spy organization like the GCHQ, did Trump dirty work for the US government, is seen as a real possibility in the intelligence community.

Empire in Decay: Federal Government Falling Apart as Spying Allegations Fly

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:13:17pm

More contrarian takes: Yasha Lavine, the Baffler: From Russia, with Panic:

CrowdStrike followed the protocols for existing APTs. Its investigation of DNC servers turned up two known threat actor groups: APT28 and APT29. Depending on the cybersecurity firm doing the analysis, these two APTs have been called by all sorts of names: Pawn Storm, Sofacy, Sednit, CozyCar, The Dukes, CozyDuke, Office Monkeys. Neither of them has ever been linked by any cybersecurity firm to the Russian government with certainty. Some firms have tried—most notably FireEye, CrowdStrike’s bigger and wealthier competitor. But FireEye’s evidence was ridiculously thin and inferential—in nearly any other industry, it would have been an embarrassment. Consider, for example, FireEye’s report on APT29:
We suspect the Russian government sponsors the group because of the organizations it targets and the data it steals. Additionally, APT29 appeared to cease operations on Russian holidays, and their work hours seem to align with the UTC +3 time zone, which contains cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Or consider FireEye’s report on APT28—which, among other things, attributes this attack group to a Russian intelligence unit active in Russia’s “invasion of Georgia,” an invasion that we know never took place.
They compile malware samples with Russian language settings during working hours consistent with the time zone of Russia’s major cities, including Moscow and St. Petersburg.While we don’t have pictures of a building, personas to reveal, or a government agency to name, what we do have is evidence of long-standing, focused operations that indicate a government sponsor—specifically, a government based in Moscow.
So, FireEye knows that these two APTs are run by the Russian government because a few language settings are in Russian and because of the telltale timestamps on the hackers’ activity? First off, what kind of hacker—especially a sophisticated Russian spy hacker—keeps to standard 9-to-5 working hours and observes official state holidays? Second, just what other locations are in Moscow’s time zone and full of Russians? Let’s see: Israel, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Moldova, Romania, Lithuania, Ukraine. If non-Russian-speaking countries are included (after all, language settings could easily be switched as a decoy tactic), that list grows longer still: Greece, Finland, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya—the countries go on and on.
The flimsiness of this evidence didn’t stop CrowdStrike. Its analysts matched some of the tools and methods used in the DNC hack to APT28 and APT29, slapped a couple of Russian-sounding names with “bear” in them on their report, and claimed that the FSB and GRU did it. And most journalists covering this beat ate it all up without gagging.
“You don’t know there is anybody there. It’s not like it’s a club and everyone has a membership card that says Fancy Bear on it. It’s just a made-up name for a group of attacks and techniques and technical indicators associated with these attacks,” author and cybersecurity expert Jeffrey Carr told me. “There is rarely if ever any confirmation that these groups even exist or that the claim was proven as correct.”
Carr has been in the industry a long time. During the Russia-Georgia war, he led an open-source intelligence effort—backed by Palantir—in an attempt to attribute and understand the actors behind the cyberwar. I read his reports on the conflict back then and, even though I disagreed with some of his conclusions, I found his analysis nuanced and informative. His findings at the time tracked with those of the general cybersecurity industry and bent toward implicating the Russian government in the cyber attacks on Georgia. But these days Carr has broken with the cyberworld consensus:

Any time a cyber attack occurs nowadays you have cybersecurity companies looking back and seeing a historical record and seeing assignments on responsibility and attribution and they just keep plowing ahead. Whether they are right or wrong, nobody knows, and probably will never know. That’s how it works. It’s a terrible system.

This is forensic science in reverse: first you decide on the guilty party, then you find the evidence that confirms your belief.

Not for Attribution

Over time, bad evidence was piled on top of unsubstantiated claims and giant inductive leaps of logic to the point that, if you tried to figure out what was actually happening, you’d lose all sense of direction.
Matt Tait, a former GCHQ analyst and founder of Capital Alpha Security who blogs under the influential Twitter handle @pwnallthethings, found a Word document pilfered from the DNC and leaked by Guccifer 2.0. As he examined its data signatures, he discovered that it had been edited by Felix Edmundovich—a.k.a. Felix Dzerzhinsky, founder of the Cheka. To him, it was proof that Guccifer 2.0 was part of the same Russian intelligence operation. He really believed that the super sophisticated spy group trying to hide its Russian ties would register its Microsoft Word processor in the name of the leader of the infamously brutal Soviet security service.

Note that Palantir is run by Peter Thiel-a Trump fellow traveler.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:16:01pm

Circulate Widely….
CNBC: Health insurance companies would get $1 billion or more windfall under GOP Obamacare replacement plan

There’s a sweet deal for insurers buried in the GOP’s new Obamacare bill.

Health insurance companies could realize a $1 billion or more windfall over the next decade — and end up paying their CEOs even more money — because of a simple tweak in the GOP’s proposal to replace Obamacare.

That tweak, buried in cryptic language on page 67 of the bill, would end the $500,000 cap that health insurers currently have under the Affordable Care Act on deducting the cost of executives’ compensation as business expenses on their taxes.

The Republican proposal to eliminate that cap means that insurers would be able to deduct nearly the full value of their CEOs’ compensation, and not pay taxes on it.

For a company such as Aetna, whose CEO Mark Bertolini earns more than $17 million annually, ending the cap would add to its bottom line, and encourage insurers to pay executives more money, critics say.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:19:37pm

Nicolle Wallace just said that Donald Trump is being “caricatured to the ridiculous” and he should get out more to let people see he’s a complete person. I don’t think she’s been paying attention.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:20:15pm

re: #126 jaunte

The denial of reality is as wide as it is deep.

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teleskiguy  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:22:14pm

Greetings and salutations from SLC. Just got done skiing in Steamboat with an old primary school chum I haven’t seen in over 10 years, too much fun was had.

Skiing Brighton tomorrow. Tomorrow night my favorite band Umphrey’s McGee is playing at The Depot. Fun will be had.

It’s been nice only checking the Internet sporadically.

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:22:18pm

What’s the upside (for a tv talking head) of trying to pretend this is normal?

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jaunte  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:23:25pm
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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:23:55pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

Greetings and salutations from SLC. Just got done skiing in Steamboat with an old primary school chum I haven’t seen in over 10 years, too much fun was had.

Skiing Brighton tomorrow. Tomorrow night my favorite band Umphrey’s McGee is playing at The Depot. Fun will be had.

It’s been nice only checking the Internet sporadically.

Good for you!

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:25:12pm

Anyone know where I can find a good roundup of IWD2017 pics?

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:29:54pm

re: #132 JordanRules

Anyone know where I can find a good roundup of IWD2017 pics?

The Reuters feed?

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:31:07pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

Greetings and salutations from SLC. Just got done skiing in Steamboat with an old primary school chum I haven’t seen in over 10 years, too much fun was had.

Skiing Brighton tomorrow. Tomorrow night my favorite band Umphrey’s McGee is playing at The Depot. Fun will be had.

It’s been nice only checking the Internet sporadically.

Punk Celt Trad. Love the McGee!

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Dave In Austin  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:31:23pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:31:46pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:34:37pm

re: #134 austin_blue

Punk Celt Trad. Love the McGee!

They’re playing in your neck of the woods at Stubbs BBQ on 4/20.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:39:44pm
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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:42:11pm

re: #138 Belafon

That hits me harder than most of the filth he has done. Think of the centuries of institutional memory! I hope they don’t destroy records, but I wouldn’t put anything past them anymore.

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majii  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:48:11pm

re: #120 KGxvi

“It’s almost as if they have no idea how government actually works. Or they don’t care. I’m not sure which is worse.”

Based on my personal observations, I think it’s both. Although they talk about how much they “looove” the Constitution, they aren’t strongly motivated to follow it. They don’t care to use it as a tool for governing, if it impedes them from using their political positions to violate parts of it. They write bills and label them “The freedom to____,” all while knowing these bills are freedom-killing and punitive in nature. I will always remember their opposition to gay marriage, and their willingness to ignore the 14th Amendment and other principles of American government in order to deny some of our citizens a right they already had. Since the SCOTUS ruled in favor of gay marriage, not one of it’s opponents has reported that any gay, lesbian, or transgender American has forced him/herself off on them, molested or tried to indoctrinate their kids, or has broken into their homes, got into their beds and forced them to have sex with them. I’ve been heterosexual my entire life, and nothing has changed in my life before or after gay marriage was legalized.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:49:25pm

Yay for old Hanna-Barbera and Warner Brothers cartoon fans!….
The Verge: Looney Tunes and Hanna-Barbera classics are getting their own streaming service

If you’re a parent who wants to show your kids the same classic cartoons that aired when you were a kid — or, at this point, as reruns when you were a kid — here’s some helpful news: Time Warner is launching a streaming service filled with classic Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera, and MGM animation.

The library will include Bugs Bunny, Scooby-Doo, Tom & Jerry, The Jetsons, and The Flintstones, among others, with about 5,000 “titles” in total. It’ll also add new episodes of Scooby-Doo, Tom & Jerry, and Looney Tunes over time, and it’ll include some new series, one of which will be a “comedic fantasy” called Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz.

The service is being called Boomerang, after the cable channel that runs pretty much this same programming. Time Warner says Boomerang will be the first service to stream these shows online and that it’ll maintain exclusive access to them. That means the service will be a must-have for anyone who wants to stream the company’s huge library of classics.

Boomerang will launch at some point this spring, with subscriptions priced at $4.99 per month or $39.99 per year. It’ll initially be available on iOS, Android, and the web, and Time Warner plans to expand to major streaming platforms, including Apple TV, Roku, and Amazon’s Fire devices, at some point after launch.

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2017 • 8:51:46pm

Tucker not understanding:

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:00:11pm

re: #142 Belafon

Tucker not understanding:

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I love recessives. It’s like Christmas.

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majii  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:00:18pm

re: #126 jaunte

“Nicolle Wallace just said that Donald Trump is being “caricatured to the ridiculous” and he should get out more to let people see he’s a complete person. I don’t think she’s been paying attention.”

He can come to my house and knock on my door, but he isn’t getting in. I already know who/what he is, and my opinion of him will never change. Trump has been avoiding the press the last few days, and I suspect it’s because he knows he left two yuuge piles of sh*t on Twitter recently, piles that he couldn’t back up with evidence, and that made most Americans begin to question his mental health. Dude’s hiding out and hoping things quiet down. No way a guy like Trump, who loves to be seen in public, would voluntarily take to keeping a quiet, low profile. He’s probably scared sh*tless that something else he won’t be able to control will emerge about him or someone connected to him, which leads me to think that this is why he isn’t letting any reporter anywhere near him at this time.

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prairiefire  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:06:18pm

re: #65 MsJ

Holy cow. 600k people without power.

I’m near there and I was watching 45’ tall trees with 3’ across trunks bend in my backyard. I can’t remember being as scared as I was today.

Wow!

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prairiefire  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:08:57pm

re: #143 retired cynic

I love recessives. It’s like Christmas.

My half Asian daughter has a blue spot in one of her brown eyes! Also, glitters of red in her very dark brown hair. I’ll point and say “that’s me”!

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:10:26pm

re: #145 prairiefire

Wow!

A friend of mine lives right on the IL-WI border, northwest of Chicago. Her power has been out for hours. She said she is fortunate to not have any other damage. She lives on a farm tucked in east of a small rise, and that probably protected her and her livestock.

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majii  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:10:57pm

re: #142 Belafon

Tucker Carlson could benefit from studying anthropology and by “getting out” among our citizens a bit more, but he won’t because he seems to think he already knows everything. The existence of Melanesian blondes would blow his fricking mind. I attended grammar school, which was a segregated school at the time, with a girl who had red hair the shade of Orphan Annie’s and a face full of freckles, and she was black like me.

Image: Melanisian-blond3-550x407.jpg

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teleskiguy  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:11:51pm

Youngest ski instructor ever, encouraging “the send.”

Instagram

#skilessons #kasperfinn @kickinghorsemtn @tourismgolden @lilrippergripper

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:12:49pm

re: #4 Interesting Times

Organleggers are next.

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prairiefire  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:13:48pm

re: #147 retired cynic

We had storms come thru Monday night and I ate my dinner on the basement stairs with the sirens going off. Lots of damage and blown up homes in Oak Gove, Mo, about 40 miles away, nobody killed, tho.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:24:52pm

re: #139 retired cynic

That hits me harder than most of the filth he has done. Think of the centuries of institutional memory! I hope they don’t destroy records, but I wouldn’t put anything past them anymore.

Whenever there is a hostile takeover in the corporate world, most of the target company executives and managers leave — either by choice or forced out. And it usually does not end well. Our executive branch has been subject to a hostile takeover, and the only ones who could have prevented the worst of this once Trump was elected was the Senate. But the Senate Republicans — as well as a few Democrats — collaborated in the takeover. I fear there will be no recovery from this if Bannon and Trump are still in office in 6 months.

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:27:09pm

re: #152 Hecuba’s daughter

Whenever there is a hostile takeover in the corporate world, most of the target company executives and managers leave — either by choice or forced out. And it usually does not end well. Our executive branch has been subject to a hostile takeover, and the only ones who could have prevented the worst of this once Trump was elected was the Senate. But the Senate Republicans — as well as a few Democrats — collaborated in the takeover. I fear there will be no recovery from this if Bannon and Trump are still in office in 6 months.

I don’t think DT is competent to be behind this. Someone else, used to such hostile takeovers, has to be pulling the strings. I doubt he even knows what is there, and could be easily manipulated into thinking his “minions” are “purging Obama’s troops.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:29:43pm

re: #144 majii

No way a guy like Trump, who loves to be seen in public, would voluntarily take to keeping a quiet, low profile. He’s probably scared sh*tless that something else he won’t be able to control will emerge about him or someone connected to him, which leads me to think that this is why he isn’t letting any reporter anywhere near him at this time.

Tillerson isn’t talking to the press either. Is he a willing partner in this or is he finding that he too has no power or is in over his head?

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fern01  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:30:24pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Food and agriculture ambassador - is that a fancy name for selling US produce at exorbitant prices for the UN to buy and distribute to famine areas?

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:30:51pm

re: #154 Hecuba’s daughter

Tillerson isn’t talking to the press either. Is he a willing partner in this or is he finding that he too has no power or is in over his head?

He’s like a one world order guy, all for oil and bidnes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:31:24pm

re: #153 retired cynic

I don’t think DT is competent to be behind this. Someone else, used to such hostile takeovers, has to be pulling the strings. I doubt he even knows what is there, and could be easily manipulated into thinking his “minions” are “purging Obama’s troops.”

I agree. It’s not Trump but Bannon or indirectly Putin who is the puppet master.

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prairiefire  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:33:23pm

re: #155 fern01

Food and agriculture ambassador - is that a fancy name for selling US produce at exorbitant prices for the UN to buy and distribute to famine areas?

Brownback is going to jack up so bad with the etiquette, protocol, everything. The UN folks are going to laugh at him SO HARD. He has no idea what he is getting himself into.

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fern01  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:35:10pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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The uproar if PBO refused to tell the press where/why and how he was going anywhere. Why does the media just say meh. They let this goon walk all over them & fart as he does it.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:36:31pm

re: #137 teleskiguy

They’re playing in your neck of the woods at Stubbs BBQ on 4/20.

Hmm, maybe, get back from the UK on the 17th. Hard venue, though. Outdoor sweaty mosh pit and if it’s raining, you’ll need new shoes. Not my favorite. Still, walking distance from the house.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:39:33pm

re: #143 retired cynic

I love recessives. It’s like Christmas.

Or a boxa choklits….

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:39:43pm

Some of this seems like deja vu. Our military forces had the quick victory in Iraq but it was the non-experts that the Bush team sent in to govern Iraq that turned the victory into a quagmire.

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Kragar  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:42:47pm
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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:42:47pm

re: #153 retired cynic

I don’t think DT is competent to be behind this. Someone else, used to such hostile takeovers, has to be pulling the strings. I doubt he even knows what is there, and could be easily manipulated into thinking his “minions” are “purging Obama’s troops.”

Gee, who was the CEO of a large multi-national with ties to Russia…hmmm…

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prairiefire  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:42:53pm

And Huntsman to Russia? Smh, does Donny want him to get abducted or something?

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teleskiguy  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:46:13pm

re: #160 austin_blue

No moshing at an UM show, guaranteed. Although if it rains you are right, experience turns into a total bummer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:50:07pm

re: #153 retired cynic

I don’t think DT is competent to be behind this. Someone else, used to such hostile takeovers, has to be pulling the strings. I doubt he even knows what is there, and could be easily manipulated into thinking his “minions” are “purging Obama’s troops.”

Russia has done this for a long time…

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Kragar  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:53:44pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 8, 2017 • 9:59:10pm

re: #163 Kragar

Special interests!!! We’re talking about millions of people, Sean!

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William Lewis  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:03:24pm

re: #168 Kragar

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Nah go with the TrumpDontCare name instead.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:12:04pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

Some of this seems like deja vu. Our military forces had the quick victory in Iraq but it was the non-experts that the Bush team sent in to govern Iraq that turned the victory into a quagmire.

Not quite correct. It was the neocons that demanded the invasion in the first place. Iraq was always a bar with three biker gangs in it : Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. The bartender was a Sunni with five bar backs, all with shotguns. Everyone else had long sharp knives. Once in a while, he would have a bar back randomly shoot a Kurd or a Shia.

The United States sent one soldier into the bar with a machine gun and killed the bar backs and the bartender and said “Drinks are on me!” For about twenty minutes, everybody partied on. Then, when the soldier’s back was turned, a Shia shivved a Kurd.

When he turned around to deal with that, two Kurds shivved two Sunnis. When he heard that commotion, he turned around again and three Shias shivved a Sunni and two Kurds. He got on the radio and called for backup. HQ said, “Dude you’ve got this covered, you don’t need any more help. Everyone here loves us!”

The soldier’s Intelligence Staff had been yelling at the Neo-cons that this was a bar fight waiting to happen. The Neo-cons responded by firing the Generals begging them to listen because the Intelligence Staff knew what they were doing.

And that’s how we got to where we are today. Stupid is as stupid does. Tribes, amazingly enough, act like tribes in violent conflict.

Read the news from South Sudan lately? “Oh, they’re all Christians! They’re free from those ravenous Muslims in the Sudan! They’ll get along just fine once they are independent!”

Nope, nope, nope.

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retired cynic  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:15:57pm

re: #171 austin_blue

There’s a wonderful book about the Middle East (at least I remember it that way!): Tribes with Flags, by Charles Glass. barnesandnoble.com

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:16:10pm

re: #171 austin_blue

My own interaction with Trumpsters is that they are in creationist mode - inputting data no longer has an effect.

As such, yes, something even more stupid than what we did in Iraq may be done by Trump, and his followers will be quite fine with it.

This is the problem with the idiocracy.

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Nyet  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:17:52pm

yay

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:17:59pm

re: #172 retired cynic

There’s a wonderful book about the Middle East (at least I remember it that way!): Tribes with Flags, by Charles Glass. barnesandnoble.com

Thanks!

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:18:41pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:21:13pm

re: #171 austin_blue

Not quite correct. It was the neocons that demanded the invasion in the first place. Iraq was always a bar with three biker gangs in it : Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. The bartender was a Sunni with five bar backs, all with shotguns. Everyone else had long sharp knives. Once in a while, he would have a bar back randomly shoot a Kurd or a Shia.

….

The soldier’s Intelligence Staff had been yelling at the Neo-cons that this was a bar fight waiting to happen. The Neo-cons responded by firing the Generals begging them to listen because the Intelligence Staff knew what they were doing.

And that’s how we got to where we are today. Stupid is as stupid does. Tribes, amazingly enough, act like tribes in violent conflict.

.

Iraq might have always turned out to be a disaster but Brenner and the other civilians were totally unqualified to handle the Iraq situation. None of them were experts in the region with any understanding of the culture. Imperial Life in the Emerald City described why the peace was doomed because of the people sent there to govern after the military victory.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:22:30pm

Your overnight in-flight video:

Follow Your Gut: Microbiomes and Aging with Rob Knight - Research on Aging

First 1:30 is just intro. After that it gets real in interesting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:31:09pm

Another disaster in our history : Robert McNamara , a brilliant and successful business man, was appointed Secretary of Defense and it did not end well. How many deaths of Americans, Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotians would have been avoided if someone who actually had real experience was running the department? Too many Americans have this belief that managerial skills are fungible — that someone who can run an auto company can seamlessly transfer those skills to an unrelated government agency.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:43:39pm

re: #173 freetoken

My own interaction with Trumpsters is that they are in creationist mode - inputting data no longer has an effect.

As such, yes, something even more stupid than what we did in Iraq may be done by Trump, and his followers will be quite fine with it.

This is the problem with the idiocracy.

It’s hard to imagine him getting us into a much more stupid exercise in futility than what Iraq became (and was always destined to become), unless he decides to put a boot on the neck of the Norks (yes, I went alliterative) and they decided to do a molten glass number on our Japanese USN fleets at Sasebo and Yokosuka and knock out our Marine Air Group 12 (Iwakuni) and 36 (Futenma).

This would result in the dusting off of an old Emergency War Order option called “CKO”, (the China/Korea Option), which was put to bed in the 80’s. It would have to be heavily modified to take the Chinese bit of it out, because if the Norks bombed Japan, even the ChiComs would crawfish away from them as fast as they could. So, B-1s, B-2s, and B-52s out of Guam, would load up and pay a visit to the Norks and using nukes dialed down to their lowest yields and highest altitudes for detonation (limiting down-range fallout), and slaughter as many Norks as they possibly could, destroy their industrial centers, and starve the rest of them to death.

Because this is what allies do for each other. And I don’t think either Kim or Trump really appreciates that this is how the world works. And that is just fucking terrifying.

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:44:44pm

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

Iraq might have always turned out to be a disaster but Brenner and the other civilians were totally unqualified to handle the Iraq situation. None of them were experts in the region with any understanding of the culture. Imperial Life in the Emerald City described why the peace was doomed because of the people sent there to govern after the military victory.

I loved that book!

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:48:34pm

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Another disaster in our history : Robert McNamara , a brilliant and successful business man, was appointed Secretary of Defense and it did not end well. How many deaths of Americans, Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotians would have been avoided if someone who actually had real experience was running the department? Too many Americans have this belief that managerial skills are fungible — that someone who can run an auto company can seamlessly transfer those skills to an unrelated government agency.

The Fog of War is a brilliant doc on McNamara. As a bonus, a score by Philip Glass, who normally makes me want to drive knitting needles into my eyes, but whose music in this film is absolutely apt.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 10:58:45pm

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

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Good thing we don’t have wireless service here. (We only got 911 service in 2012 though.)

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:28:51pm

re: #183 Anymouse

Why is that a good thing? I’d still want electricity even when a power outage occurs.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:31:50pm

re: #184 JordanRules

Why is that a good thing? I’d still want electricity even when a power outage occurs.

So do I. The remark refers to the fact we do not have ATT wireless service (or any wireless service). We have landlines that work even when the electricity goes out.

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:32:40pm

#183 was meant as dark snark.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:34:00pm

re: #185 Anymouse

Okay, I realize y’all don’t have wireless. Didn’t catch the sarcasm.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:34:18pm
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:42:00pm

Heh, this could be a fun game!

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Anymouse  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:47:40pm

re: #187 JordanRules

Okay, I realize y’all don’t have wireless. Didn’t catch the sarcasm.

I left off my patented and trademarked /s. It’s understandable. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:52:35pm

re: #13 Belafon

The real threat to our Democracy: Republicans refuse to hold Trump accountable for anything he does.

and our “free press” is enabling them

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austin_blue  Mar 8, 2017 • 11:54:19pm

re: #189 JordanRules

Heh, this could be a fun game!

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Well, Waldo is up 90% and right 80%, just left of the white rectangle w/ the blue rectangle inside of it with the black vertical stripe.

Kislyak is at the very bottom, 15% from the left, the leftmost mermaid. Sneaky spy guy, you know. Very clever. Great disguise. I’ve seen this on The Americans, so it must be true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:07:36am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty safe to say that couch is NOT IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

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and MO is not wearing heels

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:11:12am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s not remotely the same scenario, but wingnuts know this and don’t give a damn.

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:11:51am

Damn. Two o’clock. Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

I’m retired so I’ve got absolutely nothing I really have to do tomorrow, but-

Some weeding in the yard, a load of darks, setting up two meetings with City Council Critters for Friday, scritching the feline overlord, and sleeping in a bit.

I’ll take the fixed income. The lack of stress is worth it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:12:38am

re: #169 wheat-dogg

Special interests!!! We’re talking about millions of people, Sean!

We’re not here to accommodate special interests who do not have millions to donate

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:18:19am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We’re not here to accommodate special interests who do not have millions to donate

Yeah, go with upsetting the AARP, Baghdad Sean, see how that works out for you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:26:58am

re: #197 Anymouse

Yeah, go with upsetting the AARP, Baghdad Sean, see how that works out for you.

I hate to say it, but most of those people will still go out and vote GOP…Go to any retirement home or resort and it is nothing but Fox news on the TV screens.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 12:34:52am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hate to say it, but most of those people will still go out and vote GOP…Go to any retirement home or resort and it is nothing but Fox news on the TV screens.

More adverts like “this is an age tax” might change some minds.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 1:04:38am

re: #199 Anymouse

More adverts like “this is an age tax” might change some minds.

I assume they are gambling on that number not being statistically significant.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 1:33:05am

re: #178 freetoken

The findings make me wonder if my current good health results from receiving maybe only one course of antibiotics in my life (for bronchitis nine years ago) and avoiding large helpings of American meat products, which are packed with antibiotics.

You are what you eat, as the saying goes.

Also anecdotally, I was a C-section baby and I’ve had allergy problems on and off throughout my life, mostly from pollen. (The Ohio Valley just about was the worst environment for me.) The presenter mentions that C-section births have a higher incidence of autism, allergies and some other conditions I don’t remember than vaginal births, because the baby is exposed to widely different microbiomes.

The last part, about developing devices to analyze a person’s microbiome climate and from that diagnosing ailments and suggesting treatments, reminds me a lot of the med bay in Star Trek and Bones’ medical tricorder. It seems like Trek may have predicted yet another technology besides cellphones and iPads.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 1:44:20am

re: #199 Anymouse

More adverts like “this is an age tax” might change some minds.

Telling oldsters their medical costs might go up is a sure way to snap some of them into reality., regardless of who they voted for. AARP is taking the right approach: you will be penalized for being old.

Someone could do a remake of Logan’s Run to dramatize the point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 1:50:24am

re: #201 wheat-dogg

The findings make me wonder if my current good health results from receiving maybe only one course of antibiotics in my life (for bronchitis nine years ago) and avoiding large helpings of American meat products, which are packed with antibiotics.

You are what you eat, as the saying goes.

I do not eat a lot of meat to begin with, but nonetheless turn into a good Catholic for six weeks during Lent and go of meat. Not strictly or religiously, but just to give my body a chance to rid itself of hormones and antibiotics.

And I was fortunate to grow up playing in dirt and mud and general filth (outdoors) and have not taken or needed any antibiotics for years.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:01:30am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And I was fortunate to grow up playing in dirt and mud and general filth (outdoors) and have not taken or needed any antibiotics for years.

Ha! Me too. We had a large backyard and I used to help my folks with the vegetable garden, too.

I read recently that an earlier advisory telling parents to avoid exposing their toddlers to peanut butter was in fact unwise, because it’s been connected to the surprisingly common peanut allergy that many young people have. Turns out not exposing your kids to peanuts early on deprives them of whatever biochemistry they need to deal with the stuff, leading to violent, even life threatening problems when they’re older.

However, this advice does not cross over well to the current fad of chickenpox and measles parties the anti-vaxxers promote, because those are serious diseases.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:06:19am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

Ha! Me too. We had a large backyard and I used to help my folks with the vegetable garden, too.

We had frigging swamps out in the woods behind our house, full of mud, adventure, tadpoles, fairy shrimps and places to blow up model ships. Later it became a popular place to abandon stolen or wrecked cars.

Our oldest daughter had a slight lactose allergy when she was young. So we just made sure that her younger siblings did not get any dairy products until their first birthday (they were all breast fed, which is another important factor in passing on resistance to allergies and illnesses).

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:18:54am

Trump will be in Louisville, KY on Saturday. Folks there are preparing a protest, even though no one is sure where Trump will end up going. At the very least, AF One can only land at Louisville Int’l Airport, because Bowman Field doesn’t have a long enough runway.

Trump will apparently appear with Mitch McConnell for some public announcement or another. Or maybe he’s planning to buy the Brown and rename it Trump. Thenceforth, the famous sandwiches will be called Hot Trumps and made with bologna.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:38:03am

Facebook Post

Navarro might be 16 years my senior, but I have a crush on her I think. :)

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Amory Blaine  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:58:56am

American conservatives purged all the legacy employees out of Iraq’s government and look how great that turned out.

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Botsplainer  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:05:34am

Wheatdogg, I think AF1 taxis to the KYANG terminal and the motorcade exits through those gates.

There have been some sizeable anti-McConnell rallies, so they’re 1st Amendment free speech zoning everything far off. I tried to gin up a protest at Southeast Christian (Mitch’s church, natch - those fucking ghouls are dipping their pharisaic crony white Christian scam artist fingers into everything), but the weather sucked, too short notice, and despite the parking lot being leased to TARC for park and ride (and this public), we were met by an outnumbering group of cops and escorted to the property edge. They made sure to photograph us and our plates on the sly.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:06:03am

I understand the desire to hang the Trumpcare albatross around the mans neck, but I think it is shortsighted of dems to do this. Trumps disasters over the years will be a virtual cornucopia of bad policies to hang on him. OTOH “Trumpcare” can be tied forever to the entire conservative movement with the right talking points. It’s not just one mans failure, and I feel it gives aid to Ryan and the other scum that are really responsible for it.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:11:17am

re: #209 Botsplainer

Wheatdogg, I think AF1 taxis to the KYANG terminal and the motorcade exits through those gates.

There have been some sizeable anti-McConnell rallies, so they’re 1st Amendment free speech zoning everything far off. I tried to gin up a protest at Southeast Christian (Mitch’s church, natch - those fucking ghouls are dipping their pharisaic crony white Christian scam artist fingers into everything), but the weather sucked, too short notice, and despite the parking lot being leased to TARC for park and ride (and this public), we were met by an outnumbering group of cops and escorted to the property edge. They made sure to photograph us and our plates on the sly.

That makes sense. Plenty of Guardsmen to call in for security and crowd control.

One of my friends calls SE Christian “Six Flags Over Jesus.”

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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:18:58am

re: #208 Amory Blaine

American conservatives purged all the legacy employees out of Iraq’s government and look how great that turned out.

I was just going to note that this was essentially the Coalition Provisional Authority applied to the US government, right down to populating the leadership teams of key government offices with delusional hacks and right wingers fresh out of college.

There’s no reason to attribute genius to something that incompetence combined stupid maliciousness is enough to explain, especially with so recent a precedence to refer to.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:36:01am

White House will not allow British citizens to join a White House tour.

independent.co.uk

According to the official White House statement, visitors from the UK and elsewhere can apply for places, saying: “If you wish to visit the White House and are a citizen of a foreign country, please contact your embassy in Washington, DC for assistance in submitting a tour request.”

But the British Embassy in the US capital quickly repudiated the announcement, citing the State Department: “The White House website states that foreign nationals interested in touring the White House should contact their Embassy to arrange a tour.

“However, the Embassy has been advised by the US Department of State that this is on hold.

“We are therefore unable to process any applications at this time.”

The first part, stating foreign nationals must contact their embassy to book a tour, is standard operating procedure. That has not changed. What’s weird is putting such visits on hold.

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Varek Raith  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:47:39am

Good morning.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:49:30am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

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Navarro might be 16 years my senior, but I have a crush on her I think. :)

That guys name is probably Sampson……

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:03:35am

I’m noticing that, since Trumpcare was revealed two days ago, the DNC has had to exert virtually no effort to oppose it. Ryan seems to be spending all his free time trying to con his own party into supporting this dog turd and telling the press that it doesn’t taste as bad as it smells. Even Trump, who lent his name to some of the worst business deals in history, doesn’t want his name associated with this bill.

What is Ryan’s back-up plan here? Where does his go when this bill crashes and burns?

Full repeal? CBO already scored that bill, it will not be revenue neutral, so no chance at reconciliation. Short of the nuclear option, Mitch will never find the votes to pass it.

A new bill? Same problem, no way to get it through reconciliation, no chance of getting past a filibuster.

Defund Obamacare and let it die an agonizing death? Grand plan, but when it’s dead you’re still stuck trying to sell people on dog turds.

The dog finally caught the car and now has no idea what to do with it.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:07:31am

re: #216 Targetpractice

After eight years, the GOP turns up empty-handed. Leadership!

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:10:03am

re: #216 Targetpractice

We’re now in Bannon-land. The idea is to deconstruct our society. So letting people die without healthcare is quite fine with them.

And the Trumpers will support it all the way. My own interaction with Trump supporters, as I noted last night, tells me that they are immune to data. Nothing you show them will matter. They are in a fantasy, where they want to be.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:10:11am

I believe the CBO will have the numbers for Ryan’s plan on Monday.

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Botsplainer  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:10:46am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

Those clowns at Southeast are the worst. When that place was at its seed cult status, their leader made a big point of routinely trashing each and every other form of Christianity, and saved his special ire for Catholics and Orthodox. What it became was a business network linked together by Christofascist pharisaic dogma. They didn’t attract any Orthodox and only a smattering of Catholics - what they did get was a truckload of paper pushing conservative Protestant businessmen and their families, which gutted a lot of smaller Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterian congregations. Ultimately, the growth of that megachurch shredded a lot of the community and cooperative aspects of churches throughout the city, but at the same time made the place a lot less Christian by disrupting worship patterns and providing a large example of why a lot of us are now disdainful of public displays of Christianity.

Favorite Southeast story - about 10 years ago there was an incident at their summer camp area in Southern Indiana. An adjoining landowner was Catholic, and had created a small Marian shrine in honor of his late wife in a secluded place on the hill behind his home on his property - he liked to go up their and reflect. Apparently, some kids from the camp had stumbled onto it in rambles and mentioned it to their camp counselor. The counselor railed on “idolotry” and led them to the small glade and destroyed it. SECC gave a mealy mouthed apology, paid for the damaged items, refused to identify the name of the counselor, said he’d been “talked to” and didn’t fire him.

I keep awaiting the eventual sexual or financial scandal that is going to blow that nightmare into a million directions - as far as I’m concerned, it won’t be soon enough.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:18:53am

re: #219 Amory Blaine

I believe the CBO will have the numbers for Ryan’s plan on Monday.

That reminds me, I should bring up that the original plan was to have a House vote on Trumpcare by close of business yesterday. The need for total secrecy until the bill was ready for a vote has backfired spectacularly, leaving them scrambling to find votes and so burning time they can’t afford to burn. If they fail to get it through the Senate before the CBO releases its score, the gig is up. There’s no way it’ll be revenue neutral, which puts the kibosh on the plan to pass via reconciliation. There’s no way they’ll get close to 60 votes for cloture, which either means pressing the nuclear option (which has no guarantee of succeeding) or they drop the bill.

Gen. Custer had better odds at Little Bighorn.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:47:36am

re: #221 Targetpractice

You’re assuming President Bannon isn’t willing to let the gov’t run out of funds. The entire fiduciary time-scheme may become irrelevant, and reconciliation happen whenever it ever does.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:54:36am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:55:38am

re: #220 Botsplainer

I’ve heard their residential neighbors don’t care for the constant traffic in and out of the megaplex.

I agree with you. Sooner or later, there will be some big scandal. You’ve got to figure a lot of money is moving around in there. Plus, there are all those nice teenager congregants just waiting to be corrupted, I mean, personally ministered to.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:58:07am

re: #222 freetoken

You’re assuming President Bannon isn’t willing to let the gov’t run out of funds. The entire fiduciary time-scheme may become irrelevant, and reconciliation happen whenever it ever does.

But there will be no debate over raising the debt ceiling…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:00:02am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

I’ve heard their residential neighbors don’t care for the constant traffic in and out of the megaplex.

I agree with you. Sooner or later, there will be some big scandal. You’ve got to figure a lot of money is moving around in there. Plus, there are all those nice teenager congregants just waiting to be corrupted, I mean, personally ministered to.

Teenage congregants who have been taught sense of morality based on fear of eternal damnation, shame and self-loathing, and as soon as they get a hold of a large enough dose of anything that dampens those feelings, they will revert to wild animals…

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Myron Falwell  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:01:16am

re: #222 freetoken

You’re assuming President Bannon isn’t willing to let the gov’t run out of funds. The entire fiduciary time-scheme may become irrelevant, and reconciliation happen whenever it ever does.

Funny in that the GOP rank-and-file — especially the likes of Rafael Cruz — have lusted over a government shutdown for the longest time.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:04:06am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Teenage congregants who have been taught sense of morality based on shame and self-loathing, and as soon as they get a hold of a large enough dose of anything that dampens those feelings, they will revert to wild animals…

… rioting in the streets, turning over garbage cans, throwing TP into trees and eggs into windows, going to R-rated movies and those sinful bars along Bardstown Road.

Becoming Democrats.

Oh, the horror!

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Myron Falwell  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:08:40am

re: #228 wheat-dogg

… rioting in the streets, turning over garbage cans, throwing TP into trees and eggs into windows, going to R-rated movies and those sinful bars along Bardstown Road.

Becoming Democrats.

Oh, the horror!

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Biblical Proportions

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:09:24am

re: #220 Botsplainer

One of my Louisville students once attended SE Xian (heh) with her friend who was a member. The preacher that day went on and on about how Catholics were not really Christians, and how they would all be judged and sent to the fiery pits.

Well, the girl who was visiting is Catholic. She was to say the least horrified and disgusted by the bigotry that the thousand or so congregants were hearing.

I’m not sure she ever forgave her friend for bringing her that day.

KY has a long history of Baptists/born-agains and Catholics not getting along, and hearing BS about each other’s religious beliefs, even though each sect has been in KY since colonial days.

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Lupin  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:26:40am

re: #218 freetoken

We’re now in Bannon-land. The idea is to deconstruct our society. So letting people die without healthcare is quite fine with them.

And the Trumpers will support it all the way. My own interaction with Trump supporters, as I noted last night, tells me that they are immune to data. Nothing you show them will matter. They are in a fantasy, where they want to be.

As I (and many others) have said, it will take many deaths — literally — and heaps of misery to crack through the alt.right force field. I’m thinking 1929 at least. (I don’t think FDR faces such entrenched delusions.) Or 1982 Argentina.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:28:43am

re: #231 Lupin

As I (and many others) have said, it will take many deaths — literally — and heaps of misery to crack through the alt.right force field. I’m thinking 1929 at least. (I don’t think FDR faces such entrenched delusions.) Or 1982 Argentina.

People will die.

Many will die for lack of medical treatment that they can no longer afford.

Others will die at the hands of extremist bigots and xenophobes who feel emboldened by the President’s rhetoric and policies, whose crimes will be ignored or even abetted by LEOs of the same ilk.

And if we back DT too far into a corner, he is likely to start some unnecessary war and get people killed just to distract from his misdeeds.

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Lupin  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:28:53am

re: #230 wheat-dogg

One of my Louisville students once attended SE Xian (heh) with her friend who was a member. The preacher that day went on and on about how Catholics were not really Christians, and how they would all be judged and sent to the fiery pits.

Well, the girl who was visiting is Catholic. She was to say the least horrified and disgusted by the bigotry that the thousand or so congregants were hearing.

I’m not sure she ever forgave her friend for bringing her that day.

KY has a long history of Baptists/born-agains and Catholics not getting along, and hearing BS about each other’s religious beliefs, even though each sect has been in KY since colonial days.

Ah yes, the “my invisible friend is bigger than your invisible friend” syndrome.

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Lupin  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:32:16am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People will die.

Many will die for lack of medical treatment that they can no longer afford.

Others will die at the hands of extremist bigots and xenophobes who feel emboldened by the President’s rhetoric and policies, and ignored or even abetted by LEOs of the same ilk.

And if we back DT too far into a corner, he is likely to start some unnecessary war and get people killed just to distract from his misdeeds.

One thing is almost certain: if history teaches us anything (and history is a b*tch), this will not end well.

Historians of the future will reap rewards; I can almost imagine the William Shirer of 2060 sharpening his AI processor (or stone tablets).

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:39:50am

re: #233 Lupin

Ah yes, the “my invisible friend is bigger than your invisible friend” syndrome.

It’s the whole Mary thing and the saints — extremist Protestants consider all that Catholic stuff idolatry and paganism.

I’ve attended exactly one SE Xian service. The experience was unsettling. First, the sanctuary is ginormous. Probably enough for 3,000 people. How one could feel like you’re a part of the community there is beyond me. The attendees were 99% white, maybe 100%. (It’s been years since I was there, tbh.) Then, there was the usual born-again/Pentecostal theatrics before the sermon, which I remember nothing about. Mostly I wanted to leave as soon as possible.

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jeffreyw  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:43:07am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Franklin  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:47:25am

re: #236 jeffreyw

Rescue pupper?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:57:32am

re: #234 Lupin

One thing is almost certain: if history teaches us anything (and history is a b*tch), this will not end well.

Historians of the future will reap rewards; I can almost imagine the William Shirer of 2060 sharpening his AI processor (or stone tablets).

Assuming that we will have learned to read and write again by then…

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:01:09am

Did I miss the congressional hearings for the healthcare bill Ryan introduced just yesterday that a House committee approved this morning?

At least they aren’t ramming this bill down our throats.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:06:19am

Costco — yes, Costco — now stocks Orwell’s ‘1984’

Really need to get a membership to Costco given who they tend to more progressive than most commercial retailers, especially given how they treat employees compared to Wal-Mart.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:06:35am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Assuming that we will have learned to read and write again by then…

People will have memorized all literature, since books will undoubtedly be abolished by the government. Only Trump books will be allowed.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:13:43am

In honor of yesterday:

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:14:52am

re: #182 austin_blue

The Fog of War is a brilliant doc on McNamara. As a bonus, a score by Philip Glass, who normally makes me want to drive knitting needles into my eyes, but whose music in this film is absolutely apt.

My feelings about Glass are the same. About 30 years ago, I threatened a colleague who was playing Satyagraha within earshot of me. It was the only opera in our subscription that my husband and I did not attend that year. Pure torture.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:16:31am

re: #243 Hecuba’s daughter

My feelings about Glass are the same. About 30 years ago, I threatened a colleague who was playing Satyagraha within earshot of me. It was the only opera in our subscription that my husband and I did not attend that year. Pure torture.

Do I get smacked if I post “Metamorphis One”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:18:32am

re: #240 Timothy Watson

Costco — yes, Costco — now stocks Orwell’s ‘1984’

Really need to get a membership to Costco given who they tend to more progressive than most commercial retailers, especially given how they treat employees compared to Wal-Mart.

Dunno how much of this is progressive thinking and how much is just good business practice: sales of dystopian literature have spiked since last November

I can only recommend Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart: he describes the America we are heading towards.

After the Great Currency collapse, only people with access to Yuan or Northern Euro-backed dollars can afford anything but the essentials.

People communicate using voice mail or emojis on their devices: the Äppärät (as it is called) and our protagonist is a bit of an eccentric who owns one of the few remaining book collections in NYC.

I am afraid to read it again…

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:18:47am

So, it seems Il Trumpino will not go to KY after all, and is sending Pence instead.

I expect Yamhead will spend the weekend in EmoluLago rather than subject himself to even more protesters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:23:13am

re: #218 freetoken

We’re now in Bannon-land. The idea is to deconstruct our society. So letting people die without healthcare is quite fine with them.

And the Trumpers will support it all the way. My own interaction with Trump supporters, as I noted last night, tells me that they are immune to data. Nothing you show them will matter. They are in a fantasy, where they want to be.

Many of these people held similar healthcare views pre-Trump. They are financially comfortable and protected by employer-provided insurance or Medicare and literally do not care about the well-being of the poor or minorities. If their friends were dying prematurely, it might matter but they have no compassion for “those people”.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:23:21am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

So, it seems Il Trumpino will not go to KY after all, and is sending Pence instead.

I expect Yamhead will spend the weekend in EmoluLago rather than subject himself to even more protesters.

Presidenting is hard.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:24:58am

re: #243 Hecuba’s daughter

My feelings about Glass are the same. About 30 years ago, I threatened a colleague who was playing Satyagraha within earshot of me. It was the only opera in our subscription that my husband and I did not attend that year. Pure torture.

So I shouldn’t post “Tirol Concerto For Piano And Orchestra”?

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:24:59am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

Pence going to Kentucky to talk health care and the #GOPDontCare Plan (or #DonTCare or #TrumpCare). Yeah, going to the place that saw one of the biggest declines in uninsured rates, and the lowest rate compared to its neighbors excluding West Virginia.

By way of comparison, Texas uninsured rate is 17%. Trump would rather the nation all be at that level or above. That’s exactly what the block grants and the Obamacare repeal would mean. Fewer people with coverage, fewer people with affordable coverage, less coverage, and higher costs for all.

That’s what the GOP is selling. The AARP knows it. The AMA knows it. Everyone but the Trump nuts and die hard Obamacare repeal nuts know it. There are people who think that Obamacare is socialism who think the GOP plan is the bee’s knees. These people are beyond clueless, but they’re also the ones in charge.

Trump promised everyone that they’d have more care and coverage than under Obamacare, but that’s a bald faced lie. The only thing the GOP cares about is tax cuts for the rich and massive cuts to the safety net and imposing even more burdens on those who can’t afford them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:28:16am

re: #240 Timothy Watson

Costco — yes, Costco — now stocks Orwell’s ‘1984’

Really need to get a membership to Costco given who they tend to more progressive than most commercial retailers, especially given how they treat employees compared to Wal-Mart.

Costco shows that you can still pay your employees well and be profitable. They’re a big FU to the Waltons of the world who think you can pay employes like shit.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:28:58am

re: #250 lawhawk

Pence going to Kentucky to talk health care and the #GOPDontCare Plan (or #DonTCare or #TrumpCare). Yeah, going to the place that saw one of the biggest declines in uninsured rates, and the lowest rate compared to its neighbors excluding West Virginia.

At the same time…Kentucky might be just one of the most perfect audiences for this because they literally voted for the guy who campaigned on dismantling Kynect despite it’s supposed popularity. The state is ripe for the peddled bullshit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:29:47am

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Do I get smacked if I post “Metamorphis One”?

Only if you force me to listen to it!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:30:38am

re: #252 Citizen K

I’m hoping some Hoosiers will cross the river and give Pence a piece of their mind.

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:31:50am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

White House will not allow British citizens to join a White House tour.

independent.co.uk

The first part, stating foreign nationals must contact their embassy to book a tour, is standard operating procedure. That has not changed. What’s weird is putting such visits on hold.

Weren’t wingnuts all up in arms because the Obama administration suspended White House tours at one point?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:32:08am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I was being lazy and not being proactive in helping Ralph Northam until the regional organizer I worked with last year on the Clinton campaign messaged me on Facebook and wanted help getting some signatures since he got a job with the Northam campaign.

Back to the salt mines for me. :(

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(alpuz)  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:33:14am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

So, it seems Il Trumpino will not go to KY after all, and is sending Pence instead.

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I expect Yamhead will spend the weekend in EmoluLago rather than subject himself to even more protesters.

Well, if it goes anything like the 2010 Walker/WisGop takeover of Wisconsin, the odds are we won’t be seeing the Cheeto Benito outside of a very controlled environment for a long time.

Sadly, it actually worked out just fine for Walker.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:33:43am

re: #255 makeitstop

Weren’t wingnuts all up in arms because the Obama administration suspended White House tours at one point?

Yep, and they were only suspended for six months because of budget sequestration. Wingnut coverage:
theblaze.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:35:42am

re: #255 makeitstop

Weren’t wingnuts all up in arms because the Obama administration suspended White House tours at one point?

You can grab almost any phrase of a persons action, insert it after “because the Obama administration” and the answer is yes they were. Funny argument online yesterday. I got challenged to a duel, or at least regret thrown at me those no longer happen was expressed. So I replied that since he wanted a duel, I get to pick the weapon.

I choose any two guns Obama actually confiscated.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:36:19am

re: #257 (alpuz)

Well, if it goes anything like the 2010 Walker/WisGop takeover of Wisconsin, the odds are we won’t be seeing the Cheeto Benito outside of a very controlled environment for a long time.

Sadly, it actually worked out just fine for Walker.

Trump will only appear in the wild for carefully orchestrated “campaign rallies,” though he did make a surprise appearance before a school group touring the White House.

Obama’s surprise appearances seemed more genuine, somehow. Trump looked like he was appearing only for the photo ops.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:36:19am

re: #250 lawhawk

Trump promised everyone that they’d have more care and coverage than under Obamacare, but that’s a bald faced lie. The only thing the GOP cares about is tax cuts for the rich and massive cuts to the safety net and imposing even more burdens on those who can’t afford them.

True that. Welfare for the rich and suffering and premature death for the poor. They are fine with Trump paying no income taxes but they want the poor to be paying their “fair” share.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:36:47am

re: #256 Timothy Watson

I was being lazy and not being proactive in helping Ralph Northam until the regional organizer I worked with last year on the Clinton campaign messaged me on Facebook and wanted help getting some signatures since he got a job with the Northam campaign.

Back to the salt mines for me. :(

Heh. I’m doing it again for the fourth consecutive week Saturday. Hopefully it will be warmer than it was last Saturday. I haven’t decided who I’m supporting yet for Lt Governor by the way. Justin Fairfax is good but my boss had me verify if Susan Pratt (former Biden aide is running and she is). Don’t know anything about Gene Rossi. I think Herring is likely unopposed for AG and I really like Herring.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:38:28am

Totally fucking believable. These anti-science know-nothings don’t care about anything other than corporate profits and enabling the rich to get even richer by burdening everyone else in every way and often in the most painful manners conceived.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:39:28am

A libertarian friend asked why lefties aren’t as hostile to the government as we are big business. I understand that line of questioning. However, I think the reason why at least for me with the government is there is accountability with the government that does not exist in corporate America i.e. we can vote our elected officials out, we can protest them and their actions, etc. And frankly I’m just as hostile to big government when it comes to things like limiting a woman’s right to choose, ability to emigrate, the right to put what you want in your body, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:39:51am

re: #263 lawhawk

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Totally fucking believable. These anti-science know-nothings don’t care about anything other than corporate profits and enabling the rich to get even richer by burdening everyone else in every way and often in the most painful manners conceived.

Pruitt is James Watt 2.0.

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jeffreyw  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:40:25am

re: #237 Franklin

Rescue pupper?

Yup

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wheat-dogg  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:42:35am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Pruitt is James Watt 2.0.

May Dog help us. Watt was the guy who expected the Rapture any day soon, so he reasoned we might as well deplete all our natural resources before Jesus came.

Was it he who said trees expelling CO2 killed people, or was that Reagan?

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:43:15am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

A libertarian friend asked why lefties aren’t as hostile to the government as we are big business. I understand that line of questioning. However, I think the reason why at least for me with the government is there is accountability with the government that does not exist in corporate America i.e. we can vote our elected officials out, we can protest them and their actions, etc. And frankly I’m just as hostile to big government when it comes to things like limiting a woman’s right to choose, ability to emigrate, the right to put what you want in your body, etc.

I’m all for a well regulated capitalism, which is how I like my government as well. The thing about the government is that they are accountable to the people, no matter what kind of idiots have been elected by idiots right now.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:44:24am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

A libertarian friend asked why lefties aren’t as hostile to the government as we are big business. .

“Rabbi Chanina, deputy to the kohanim, would say: Pray for the integrity of the government; for were it not for the fear of its authority, a man would swallow his neighbor alive.”

Ethics of the Fathers (Pirkei Avot) Chapter 3

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:44:32am

re: #263 lawhawk

Totally fucking believable. These anti-science know-nothings don’t care about anything other than corporate profits and enabling the rich to get even richer by burdening everyone else in every way and often in the most painful manners conceived.

I say we ship him off to Venus. He can talk to the inhabitants there about CO2 and how it doesn’t affect the climate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:45:05am

re: #252 Citizen K

At the same time…Kentucky might be just one of the most perfect audiences for this because they literally voted for the guy who campaigned on dismantling Kynect despite it’s supposed popularity. The state is ripe for the peddled bullshit.

Yes, the GOP understands this sort of twisted self-defeating thinking (cannot call it logic) better than the Democrats ever will.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:45:37am

re: #255 makeitstop

Weren’t wingnuts all up in arms because the Obama administration suspended White House tours at one point?

Was that not during the government shutdown that they themselves brought about?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:46:39am

re: #268 Belafon

I’m all for a well regulated capitalism, which is how I like my government as well. The thing about the government is that they are accountable to the people, no matter what kind of idiots have been elected by idiots right now.

Exactly. If I’m unsatisfied with the decisions being made by my governor, I can work for an opponent that will beat him, if i don’t like my legislator’s votes, I can write them or again for someone to oppose them. With a business, it’s not that simple. Society needs balances. It is government through the individual that allows us to achieve that balance. And frankly, I could invert the question about why business is seen as benign where as the government seen as evil. You need both.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:46:54am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was that not during the government shutdown that they themselves brought about?

T’was.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:48:04am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

May Dog help us. Watt was the guy who expected the Rapture any day soon, so he reasoned we might as well deplete all our natural resources before Jesus came.

Was it he who said trees expelling CO2 killed people, or was that Reagan?

I’m not sure. All I know about Watt is that he was an anti environmental assshoel who was so out of touch that he thought the Beach Boys were anti-American.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:48:24am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Heh. I’m doing it again for the fourth consecutive week Saturday. Hopefully it will be warmer than it was last Saturday. I haven’t decided who I’m supporting yet for Lt Governor by the way. Justin Fairfax is good but my boss had me verify if Susan Pratt (former Biden aide is running and she is). Don’t know anything about Gene Rossi. I think Herring is likely unopposed for AG and I really like Herring.

I don’t think anyone is going to contest Herring. They only have until March 30th to get their paperwork done and that includes 10,000 signatures and 400 per congressional district.

I do see someone is going to be running in my House District, but that’s a forlorn cause.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:50:53am

re: #276 Timothy Watson

I don’t think anyone is going to contest Herring. They only have until March 30th to get their paperwork done and that includes 10,000 signatures and 400 per congressional district.

I do see someone is going to be running in my House District, but that’s a forlorn cause.

I think a lot of people are running for the House districts. My district has two candidates running on the Dem side. I had to look up the candidates for my boss. Kos had a very helpful link with everyone running. They’re heavily targeting Republican held districts that HRC, Warner, and Terry Mac won which unfortunately isn’t me. I plan to work hard for Dick Black’s opponent in a couple years if I’m still here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:52:34am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

May Dog help us. Watt was the guy who expected the Rapture any day soon, so he reasoned we might as well deplete all our natural resources before Jesus came.

Was it he who said trees expelling CO2 killed people, or was that Reagan?

Reagan had the Tree Pollution quote, Watt was also famous for stating that there was no real need to preserve the wilderness, we might as well just use it, since “The Lord could be coming back now any time”.

What a cynical douchebag he was.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:53:16am

re: #263 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:53:26am

The thing honestly is business impacts us in our daily lives just like government does. So yeah that’s part of why business regulations are necessary. And I can’t disagree more with the notion that taxation is theft. You use the roads? You or your neighbors use the public schools? You’re getting a return on your taxes that you paid.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:53:28am

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:54:41am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of people are running for the House districts. My district has two candidates running on the Dem side. I had to look up the candidates for my boss. Kos had a very helpful link with everyone running. They’re heavily targeting Republican held districts that HRC, Warner, and Terry Mac won which unfortunately isn’t me. I plan to work hard for Dick Black’s opponent in a couple years if I’m still here.

ActBlue also has a nice directory for candidates:
secure.actblue.com

Searched the guy’s name and did find a Kos post, probably part of that project you mentioned:
dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:54:50am

re: #281 Timothy Watson

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:55:36am

Meanwhile, in a demonstration that the current admin and the GOP have absolutely no sense of irony and decency….Sessions is apparently floating the idea of investigating the DoJ under Obama, including Holder and Lynch.

I just…I just fucking swear to fucking god…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:57:12am

re: #282 Timothy Watson

ActBlue also has a nice directory for candidates:
secure.actblue.com

Searched the guy’s name and did find a Kos post, probably part of that project you mentioned:
dailykos.com

Yep, very helpful stuff. I’m hoping Jill McCabe runs against Dick Black again. She was a good candidate but it unfortunately was a Republican year.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:57:44am

Something to ignore

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:57:50am

re: #284 Citizen K

Meanwhile, in a demonstration that the current admin and the GOP have absolutely no sense of irony and decency….Sessions is apparently floating the idea of investigating the DoJ under Obama, including Holder and Lynch.

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I just…I just fucking swear to fucking god…

Asshole fucking perjures himself and he does this shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:58:13am

re: #279 Citizen K

This is like putting someone who wants to dismantle the public school system in charge of the Dept. of Education.

Wait…shit

This is like putting someone with no background in either housing or government administration in charge of HUD just because he is black…

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Franklin  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:59:39am

re: #279 Citizen K

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:00:27am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

The thing honestly is business impacts us in our daily lives just like government does. So yeah that’s part of why business regulations are necessary. And I can’t disagree more with the notion that taxation is theft. You use the roads? You or your neighbors use the public schools? You’re getting a return on your taxes that you paid.

Corporations are not people. They can be legal persons in a court of law, but limited-liability corporations exist because the government put a set of laws in place that allow them to exist in the form that they do.

But you hit on a point: people who attend private schools and country clubs have little use for public school, parks or swimming pools.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:02:25am

“There’s no service members to pose with, and there may be people who disagree with me and ask hard questions. Send the albino…”

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Franklin  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:03:38am

This is a good cup, Brent.

Can’t wait for my fist cuppa from it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:05:48am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Corporations are not people. They can be legal persons in a court of law, but limited-liability corporations exist because the government put a set of laws in place that allow them to exist in the form that they do.

But you hit on a point: people who attend private schools and country clubs have little use for public school, parks or swimming pools.

Right, I remember a neighborhood friend’s brother who attended parochial school bellyaching about his parents tax monies going to the public schools. Public education is a so called public good. I don’t have the stats handy but I imagine a vast majority of American school children do attend public schools.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:09:13am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Right, I remember a neighborhood friend’s brother who attended parochial school bellyaching about his parents tax monies going to the public schools. Public education is a so called public good. I don’t have the stats handy but I imagine a vast majority of American school children do attend public schools.

Investment is good when you’re paying a private company something that may get spent on hooker and blow anyway.

But investment in public good via a gov’t is pure heartless, satanic socialisms, and we can’t abide by that in this country!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:11:07am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Right, I remember a neighborhood friend’s brother who attended parochial school bellyaching about his parents tax monies going to the public schools. Public education is a so called public good. I don’t have the stats handy but I imagine a vast majority of American school children do attend public schools.

Under Secretary DuVois, there will be less bellyaching. Those parochial schools, who can turn away or expel students for whatever subjective reasons they put in their charters, will be bellying up to the same funding trough as public schools who are compelled by law to accept everyone and only expel those who pose a serious and repeated threat to school order and safety.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:12:54am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Right, I remember a neighborhood friend’s brother who attended parochial school bellyaching about his parents tax monies going to the public schools. Public education is a so called public good. I don’t have the stats handy but I imagine a vast majority of American school children do attend public schools.

90.6% of American kids attend public schools:

In fall 2016, about 50.4 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools. Of these, 35.4 million will be in prekindergarten through grade 8 and 15.0 million will be in grades 9 through 12. An additional 5.2 million students are expected to attend private elementary and secondary schools (source).

nces.ed.gov

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:13:51am

Sadly, I have no confidence that the electorate will really care about all of this.

I notice the Trumpsters on my Facebook wall are now in full DARVO mode, calling Trump critics “haters” while at the same time posting the usual vile stuff from the usual outlets.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:15:32am

Tony Shaffer’s name rang a bell. He was someone who pushed the Able Danger theory - that the DIA had found connections to AQ plots against the US before 9/11, but didn’t act on them. His claims were ultimately found not supported by the evidence.

So, Hoft’s pushing a conspiracy theory by a guy who’s been down this rodeo before - pushing other conspiracy theories. Yeah, that’s how the right wing rolls in the age of Trump.

How long before Trump runs with this? 24 hours?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:23:07am

re: #296 Timothy Watson

90.6% of American kids attend public schools:

nces.ed.gov

Thanks. All the more reason why policies that favor private and charter schools over public are foolishness.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:26:11am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

Something to ignore

From inside the embassy he’s holed up at?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:27:35am

re: #298 lawhawk

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Tony Shaffer’s name rang a bell. He was someone who pushed the Able Danger theory - that the DIA had found connections to AQ plots against the US before 9/11, but didn’t act on them. His claims were ultimately found not supported by the evidence.

So, Hoft’s pushing a conspiracy theory by a guy who’s been down this rodeo before - pushing other conspiracy theories. Yeah, that’s how the right wing rolls in the age of Trump.

How long before Trump runs with this? 24 hours?

He’s also claimed that Obama watched the Benghazi attack live and did nothing during the attack.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:28:00am

One of DT’s hires:

The Breitbart wing

Curtis Ellis was a columnist for WorldNetDaily, a website best known for its enthusiastic embrace of the false notion that President Obama was born outside the United States. A column headlined the “The Radical Left’s Ethnic Cleansing of America” won Ellis an admiring interview with Steve Bannon, now Trump’s top aide. He is a longtime critic of trade deals such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Ellis was hired Jan. 20 as a special assistant to the secretary at the Labor Department. Asked about his role in a brief phone interview Tuesday, he said: “Nothing I can tell you.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:30:18am

re: #302 Sir John Barron

One of DT’s hires:

Trump also apparently made DOL appointment for someone who graduated from high school in 2015.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:30:40am

re: #298 lawhawk

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Tony Shaffer’s name rang a bell. He was someone who pushed the Able Danger theory - that the DIA had found connections to AQ plots against the US before 9/11, but didn’t act on them. His claims were ultimately found not supported by the evidence.

So, Hoft’s pushing a conspiracy theory by a guy who’s been down this rodeo before - pushing other conspiracy theories. Yeah, that’s how the right wing rolls in the age of Trump.

How long before Trump runs with this? 24 hours?

Yeah, but we both know it’s not about the credibility about the CTs being pushed, it’s about getting as many voices out there saying “The hack came from the US IC and not Russia” to get the wingnuts out in the wild, pushing this shit on people who don’t know better. So that when they’re out in public and the Russia business comes up, they’ll immediately jump and declare “You know that was all done by the CIA, right? Obama knew and kept it quiet!”

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sagehen  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:34:34am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

A libertarian friend asked why lefties aren’t as hostile to the government as we are big business. I understand that line of questioning. However, I think the reason why at least for me with the government is there is accountability with the government that does not exist in corporate America i.e. we can vote our elected officials out, we can protest them and their actions, etc. And frankly I’m just as hostile to big government when it comes to things like limiting a woman’s right to choose, ability to emigrate, the right to put what you want in your body, etc.

A business exists to consolidate as much money as possible into as few hands as possible. If a government agency finds themselves with “too much” money, they find things to spend it on that will make it as popular as possible (i.e., to benefit as many people as possible.)

e.g. — the school district when I was a kid was “overly” funded. Which is why we had an amazingly well-stocked library, bio and chem and physics labs for as many kids as wanted, lots of cool field trips, a full orchestra with a full-time music teacher, driver’s ed, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:35:08am

re: #305 sagehen

A business exists to consolidate as much money as possible into as few hands as possible. If a government agency finds themselves with “too much” money, they find things to spend it on that will make it as popular as possible (i.e., to benefit as many people as possible.)

Exactly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:37:20am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:37:37am

re: #305 sagehen

A business exists to consolidate as much money as possible into as few hands as possible. If a government agency finds themselves with “too much” money, they find things to spend it on that will make it as popular as possible (i.e., to benefit as many people as possible.)

A business sells of its non-performing assets and concentrates on ones that generate the greatest returns.

Based on that, we should be selling off Mississippi and West Virginia to the highest bidders…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:40:51am
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:42:05am

re: #210 Amory Blaine

I understand the desire to hang the Trumpcare albatross around the mans neck, but I think it is shortsighted of dems to do this. Trumps disasters over the years will be a virtual cornucopia of bad policies to hang on him. OTOH “Trumpcare” can be tied forever to the entire conservative movement with the right talking points. It’s not just one mans failure, and I feel it gives aid to Ryan and the other scum that are really responsible for it.

Which is why it should be tied to the entire GOP.

From yesterday in case anyone missed this photoshop I did along with input from other Lizards. It not only calls out the GOP, it get DonT in there too.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:44:25am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

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Jay C  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:45:58am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

re: #296 Timothy Watson

90.6% of American kids attend public schools:

nces.ed.gov

Thanks. All the more reason why policies that favor private and charter schools over public are foolishness.

Naah, for the “run government like a business” crowd, that figure simply means there’s just a bigger market out there for privatization, i.e. profiteering.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:46:35am

re: #310 ObserverArt

Which is why it should be tied to the entire GOP.

From yesterday in case anyone missed this photoshop I did along with input from other Lizards. It not only calls out the GOP, it get DonT in there too.

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The GOP does care deeply about the pain the rich are suffering from having to pay higher taxes, and it wants to alleviate that suffering by killing tens of thousands of Americans every year by taking away their health insurance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:48:06am
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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:48:51am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:49:19am

re: #210 Amory Blaine

Obamacare was hung around every Democrats neck.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:50:21am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The left really needs to stop seeing Assenge as a hero. He’a ratfuck creep.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:51:45am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Thanks. All the more reason why policies that favor private and charter schools over public are foolishness.

Kentucky’s new GOP supermajority is close to passing a charter school law in the current session.

lrc.ky.gov

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:52:42am

re: #316 Belafon

Obamacare was hung around every Democrats neck.

He is a big hero to that subset of leftists consisting of creepy guys who have serious issues with any form of authority.

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Franklin  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:53:19am

re: #316 Belafon

Obamacare was hung around every Democrats neck.

And it worked.Bigly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:55:01am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:55:46am

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s new GOP supermajority is close to passing a charter school law in the current session.

lrc.ky.gov

Jesus, it’s one of the most poor states in the union.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:56:38am

re: #320 Franklin

And it worked.Bigly.

Yep, it cost the former Congressman whose gubernatorial campaign I’m working for his seat but at least he didn’t run away from it.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:57:39am

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

Kentucky’s new GOP supermajority is close to passing a charter school law in the current session.

lrc.ky.gov

I’m pretty sure that Kentucky is lost for at least a generation at this rate. I don’t even mean political, I mean they’ve dug their grave as any sort of viable state, period, because they decided they’d rather spite some nebulous other than actually believe the state gov’t should help anyone in any real capacity…

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Franklin  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:58:31am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Yep, it cost the former Congressman whose gubernatorial campaign I’m working for his seat but at least he didn’t run away from it.

A lot of them got clobbered, but history will look fondly on those that stood with the President.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 7:59:40am

re: #325 Franklin

A lot of them got clobbered, but history will look fondly on those that stood with the President.

Yep. Sometimes the right move isn’t the most popular one.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:00:47am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

The left really needs to stop seeing Assenge as a hero. He’a ratfuck creep.

But the Bros still lap it up.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:01:03am

Pelosi is holding a press conference:

Pelosi holds news conference

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:02:36am

re: #327 William Lewis

But the Bros still lap it up.

Yep because they continue to be national security illiterates.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:02:49am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’ll see what their excuses are when those coal mining jobs don’t come back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:03:29am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Yep because they continue to be national security illiterates.

They just dig Sticking it to the Powers That Be because its so edgy and revolutionary…consequences be damned.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:03:48am

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see what their excuses are when those coal mining jobs don’t come back.

Probably blame the left even though the left has limited power in KY internal politics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:04:11am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just dig Sticking it to the Powers That Be because its so edgy and revolutionary…consequences be damned.

That’s it too but I really think a lot of them don’t honestly understand national security.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:07:38am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Yep. Sometimes the right move isn’t the most popular one.

Since the Civil War, the South successfully managed to keep the poor blacks and poor whites from uniting and supporting a progressive agenda. The current Republican approach of blaming the “others” for all of middle class and WWC ills seems to remain a successful policy. Unless we can counteract that, the future may be grim. We need a demagogue of our own who can truly unite Americans, or at least enough Americans to regain control of the government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:08:13am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Probably blame the left even though the left has limited power in KY internal politics.

Oppressive government regulations imposed by Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:09:57am

re: #335 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oppressive government regulations imposed by Obama.

Course.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:10:26am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

That’s it too but I really think a lot of them don’t honestly understand national security.

Or politics in general. All they wanted was Bernie to be a dictator as well (not saying Bernie would have done it the orange way) as they thought Bernie could get all of this “stuff” done with no other Democratic support (as the bros just burn bridges all over the place).

Also - Jeff Weaver the manager of the Bernie campaign had Russian ties as well. A coincidence?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:11:44am

re: #337 CongoJack

Or politics in general. All they wanted was Bernie to be a dictator as well (not saying Bernie would have done it the orange way) as they thought Bernie could get all of this “stuff” done with no other Democratic support (as the bros just burn bridges all over the place).

Also - Jeff Weaver the manager of the Bernie campaign had Russian ties as well. A coincidence?

I believe you’re thinking of Tad Devine not Jeff Weaver who had the Russian ties. But yeah.

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:12:35am

re: #210 Amory Blaine

I understand the desire to hang the Trumpcare albatross around the mans neck, but I think it is shortsighted of dems to do this. Trumps disasters over the years will be a virtual cornucopia of bad policies to hang on him. OTOH “Trumpcare” can be tied forever to the entire conservative movement with the right talking points. It’s not just one mans failure, and I feel it gives aid to Ryan and the other scum that are really responsible for it.

I propose Republicare, so that we can pull in all of them.

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Teukka  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:13:26am

*walks casually through thread, dropping below link as he passes*
Wiles: Satanic Pedophiles are Trying to Bring Down Trump

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:13:47am

The problem ideologues have is they think their ideas are going to be universally popular with the masses and they can just do it and all will be well. As much as I would have preferred Obama’s health care plan been more ambitious, it was also him recognizing what his left wing detractors did not and that was the health care reform was going to take pragmatism to pass. It’s easier for someone like Sanders who had a more uniform base who approved of such reforms to tell POTUS and the Dems that they had to proceed full speed ahead on many issues.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:13:58am
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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:14:11am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:14:25am

re: #340 Teukka

*walks casually through thread, dropping below link as he passes*
Wiles: Satanic Pedophiles are Trying to Bring Down Trump

Taking down Satanic Pedophiles as a band name should I ever form a death metal band ebfore anyone else can claim it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:14:46am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart

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I can’t say I blame them at all.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:15:24am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Thanks for the correction!

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:15:35am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Yep, it cost the former Congressman whose gubernatorial campaign I’m working for his seat but at least he didn’t run away from it.

The dumb thing is that there were god knows how many Dems to did run away from it, thinking it’d bolster their conservative creds if they were publicly seen as kneecaping and rejecting Obama.

They lost worst than those who didn’t run, because, fun fact, they got the shit hung around their necks regardless, because they had the (D). It’s almost like trying to cant rightward as a Dem doesn’t actually work very well if the voters just straight up want a Republican anyway.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:15:49am

re: #334 Hecuba’s daughter

Since the Civil War, the South successfully managed to keep the poor blacks and poor whites from uniting and supporting a progressive agenda. The current Republican approach of blaming the “others” for all of middle class and WWC ills seems to remain a successful policy. Unless we can counteract that, the future may be grim. We need a demagogue of our own who can truly unite Americans, or at least enough Americans to regain control of the government.

Unions. A huge number of problems people in the south actually have - not the made up ones - could be solved by allowing unions and giving them representation power. And it would reduce the need for a heavy federal government presence. But Southerners seem to be able to hold in their heads that unions are evil, businesses are good, and somehow companies allow people to have weekends out of the goodness of their corporate hearts.

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:15:54am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart

Vets groups feel insulted after Trump skips meeting with them — and sends Omarosa instead

Damn, he’s gone into full-on bunker mode. Hiding from everyone.

Stick your head out, you coward. Stop hiding behind your repulsive minions.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:18:45am

re: #346 CongoJack

Thanks for the correction!

No prob. Weaver was just a former Sanders aide who ran a comic book shop. Way out of his depth but not a Russian stooge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:19:21am

re: #348 Belafon

Unions. A huge number of problems people in the south actually have - not the made up ones - could be solved by allowing unions and giving them representation power. And it would reduce the need for a heavy federal government presence. But Southerners seem to be able to hold in their heads that unions are evil, businesses are good, and somehow companies allow people to have weekends out of the goodness of their corporate hearts.

Because when investors pool their resources to optimize their bargaining power, that is the Very Heart and Soul of Capitalism.

But when workers pool their bargaining power to optimize wages and benefits, that is a socialistic curtailment of Individual Freedom.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:19:24am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coal miners futures.
And the “free market will free us all” reality is coal use is in decline here and abroad. So, prices are down, and market forces make wages lower, and no ACA in the future if the Cult Of Cash gets its way…..Let’s add it up. Dirty water in your valley, less wages, less protections, no pensions, no future healthcare. no future, no you or yours. MAGA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:19:30am

re: #347 Citizen K

The dumb thing is that there were god knows how many Dems to did run away from it, thinking it’d bolster their conservative creds if they were publicly seen as kneecaping and rejecting Obama.

They lost worst than those who didn’t run, because, fun fact, they got the shit hung around their necks regardless, because they had the (D). It’s almost like trying to cant rightward as a Dem doesn’t actually work very well if the voters just straight up want a Republican anyway.

There’s a great comparision to be made between Tom Perriello and Glenn Nye, the former whom I’m working for voted for ACA and lost by four points, Nye voted against it and lost by eleven I believe.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:20:06am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

I hate Jeff Weaver with the heat of 1000 suns. The shit he said was irresponsible and led to Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:21:06am

re: #354 CongoJack

I hate Jeff Weaver with the heat of 1000 suns. The shit he said was irresponsible and led to Trump.

Oh no doubt, Weaver is an asshole in my book too.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:21:28am

re: #221 Targetpractice

That reminds me, I should bring up that the original plan was to have a House vote on Trumpcare by close of business yesterday. The need for total secrecy until the bill was ready for a vote has backfired spectacularly, leaving them scrambling to find votes and so burning time they can’t afford to burn. If they fail to get it through the Senate before the CBO releases its score, the gig is up. There’s no way it’ll be revenue neutral, which puts the kibosh on the plan to pass via reconciliation. There’s no way they’ll get close to 60 votes for cloture, which either means pressing the nuclear option (which has no guarantee of succeeding) or they drop the bill.

Gen. Custer had better odds at Little Bighorn.

You know…I’m kinda giving up setting odds on anything political these days.

I could have sworn Trump was Custer last year and he was being shot with a lot of arrows from pussy grabbing to Russians…and look what happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:23:44am

re: #347 Citizen K

The dumb thing is that there were god knows how many Dems to did run away from it, thinking it’d bolster their conservative creds if they were publicly seen as kneecaping and rejecting Obama.

They lost worst than those who didn’t run, because, fun fact, they got the shit hung around their necks regardless, because they had the (D). It’s almost like trying to cant rightward as a Dem doesn’t actually work very well if the voters just straight up want a Republican anyway.

And that sums up a major problem in the Democratic party. A large share of GOP supporters are very far right and only begrudgingly support the party: they hate politics and politicians in general, but tend to hate the GOP less.

Trying to be more like them is going to lose you moderate and liberal support and gain you no votes from the right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:25:15am

re: #356 ObserverArt

You know…I’m kinda giving up setting odds on anything political these days.

I could have sworn Trump was Custer last year and he was being shot with a lot of arrows from pussy grabbing to Russians…and look what happened.

DT positioned himself as the anti-politician and this was like an anti-gravity formula: it allowed him to ignore or flaunt every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and still triumph. He is now applying that formula to governing and it is working so far.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:25:21am

I think most voters do appreciate a certain degree of sincerity. Of course, going all far left and out of touch with what your constituents want isn’t smart either. If you must be moderate be a principled one, don’t go moderate because you’re afraid.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:26:04am

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT positioned himself as the anti-politician and this was like an anti-gravity formula: it allowed him to ignore or flaunt every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and still triumph. He is now applying that formula to governing and it is working so far.

Is it working though? He remains only popular with his hardcore supporters. I will grant you that it worked for him on the campaign trail.

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DuckDharma  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:26:33am

re: #343 lawhawk

Ha! Ding ding ding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:27:13am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Is it working though? He remains only popular with his hardcore supporters. I will grant you that it worked for him on the campaign trail.

As long as the press fails to do their job of calling him out and grilling him on his lies, fabrications and meaningless claims, he will continue to push through his agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:28:32am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As long as the press fails to do their job of calling him out and grilling him on his lies, fabrications and meaningless claims, he will continue to push through his agenda.

He’s going to push through his agenda regardless. I actually think the press has done a decent job since he’s become POTUS. That said, they have to stop lowering expectations i.e. the joint address to Congress.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:29:10am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Is it working though? He remains only popular with his hardcore supporters. I will grant you that it worked for him on the campaign trail.

Those Rs that have an 80% (+) approval rating for this “President” scare me a bit more than the orange shit gibbon. Trump is old and will not be around forever. These crazy mofos that love Trump reproduce and keep that crazy conservative bubble shit going and going.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:31:49am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I think most voters do appreciate a certain degree of sincerity. Of course, going all far left and out of touch with what your constituents want isn’t smart either. If you must be moderate be a principled one, don’t go moderate because you’re afraid.

I hate most of the Dems who thought the way to success was the exact opposite: run screaming rightward and abandon the rest of the party. But many of those ended up culling themselves during the Obamacare stuff anyway. Which makes me annoyed even more when BoBers wail about ‘corporatst’ or ‘neocon’ Dems, like we’re still in the thrall of the DLC types from the 90s.

And as much as I hate Manchin for various reasons, I’m falling back more and more into the argument that we’ve slid back into the ‘elect more Dems’ part of our problems, which has to be done before we can get to the ‘elect Better Dems’ part.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:32:03am

re: #364 CongoJack

Those Rs that have an 80% (+) approval rating for this “President” scare me a bit more than the orange shit gibbon. Trump is old and will not be around forever. These crazy mofos that love Trump reproduce and keep that crazy conservative bubble shit going and going.

IIRC we’re around the same age. At one point, I was more optimistic about our generation of conservatives but millenial wingnuts have shown to me to be just as wingnutty if not more so than their parents and grandparents. Stephen Miller for example is only a few years older than I am or so.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:32:26am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:33:22am

re: #365 Citizen K

I hate most of the Dems who thought the way to success was the exact opposite: run screaming rightward and abandon the rest of the party. But many of those ended up culling themselves during the Obamacare stuff anyway. Which makes me annoyed even more when BoBers wail about ‘corporatst’ or ‘neocon’ Dems, like we’re still in the thrall of the DLC types from the 90s.

And as much as I hate Manchin for various reasons, I’m falling back more and more into the argument that we’ve slid back into the ‘elect more Dems’ part of our problems, which has to be done before we can get to the ‘elect Better Dems’ part.

The fact is they the BoBers made a staunch progressive like Tom Perez into a DLC corporatist. Despite what these idiots believe, the center of the party has moved back left. They also resent the party being hawkish yet they’re the same guys who venerate FDR.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:34:04am

Do you believe Mexico will pay for the wall?

Mitch McConnell: “Uh, no.”

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:36:28am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

IIRC we’re around the same age. At one point, I was more optimistic about our generation of conservatives but millenial wingnuts have shown to me to be just as wingnutty if not more so than their parents and grandparents. Stephen Miller for example is only a few years older than I am or so.

And they seem to be louder, prouder, and a larger segment of the white millennial pop. than once thought, only offset by the larger share of minorities among millennials in general. It’s one fo the reasons I’ve lost faith in the ‘demographic change’ inevitability, especially in light of how much terroristic bullshit against PoCs, religions minorities, etc. and even more voting restrictions are happening and will happen further.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:36:51am

re: #369 FormerDirtDart

And they laugh and laugh….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:38:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:38:17am

re: #352 nines09

I think its actually “the Free Market will bury us all.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:38:35am

.re: #263 lawhawk

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Totally fucking believable. These anti-science know-nothings don’t care about anything other than corporate profits and enabling the rich to get even richer by burdening everyone else in every way and often in the most painful manners conceived.

No…totally believable.

What I do not understand is even big ass rich businessmen have relatives, children, grandkids, friends, etc. Do they want to leave a toxic environment for their futures?

What good is a pile of money if everyone lives miserable lives with diseases caused by the toxicity. And look at the crazy ass weather we are getting now. Do they want to leave a fucked up world for big bucks now.

I don’t know if I want the answer to that for fear I will not be able to understand the thinking it behind it.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:39:06am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

IIRC we’re around the same age. At one point, I was more optimistic about our generation of conservatives but millenial wingnuts have shown to me to be just as wingnutty if not more so than their parents and grandparents. Stephen Miller for example is only a few years older than I am or so.

I turn 33 in a month… just for reference. I completely agree. The current conservative ideology of those my age or younger are completely based in faith (and hatred).

Example: In college, in a Freedom of Speech class, I had a fellow student state that, “The real science is the Bible and that everything can be explained through it. Also that all of this liberal science was just based on faith (read: fossils are put here to test our faith craziness) and that history bore that out.”

I went off on the kid telling him that was the dumbest thing I had heard in 10 years and that he needed to get a grip on reality. Those people scare the hell out of me as they are so indoctrinated that they cannot tell the difference between faith and provable fact.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:39:44am

re: #370 Citizen K

And they seem to be louder, prouder, and a larger segment of the white millennial pop. than once thought, only offset by the larger share of minorities among millennials in general. It’s one fo the reasons I’ve lost faith in the ‘demographic change’ inevitability, especially in light of how much terroristic bullshit against PoCs, religions minorities, etc. and even more voting restrictions are happening and will happen further.

The thing that makes millenials arguably lean left is we’re more diverse than older generations. Now, I will say our white population does probably lean more left than our parents and grandparents but not significantly so. You’re right about the terroristic bullshit too.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:41:30am

re: #374 ObserverArt

They figure that the money will insulate them from the problems, just as surely as the Robber Barons built their gilded mansions while the slums in NYC remained overcrowded with their workers, or the Pittsburgh skies were a constant shade of grey/orange from the smelters/mining activities, etc.

They must think that the movie Elysium is how they’ll get by. The privileged get to breathe clean air and are disease free, while everyone else mucks by.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:41:48am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:42:14am

re: #375 CongoJack

I turn 33 in a month… just for reference. I completely agree. The current conservative ideology of those my age or younger are completely based in faith (and hatred).

Example: In college, in a Freedom of Speech class, I had a fellow student state that, “The real science is the Bible and that everything can be explained through it. Also that all of this liberal science was just based on faith (read: fossils are put here to test our faith craziness) and that history bore that out.”

I went off on the kid telling him that was the dumbest thing I had heard in 10 years and that he needed to get a grip on reality. Those people scare the hell out of me as they are so indoctrinated that they cannot tell the difference between faith and provable fact.

Yeah, you’re a few years older than I am. I turn 30 this summer so yeah same generation. That, that just amazes me but doesn’t shock me. So many people hear right wing crap at home and their parents don’t encourage critical thinking. Funnily enough, I think the reason why my brothers both have different ideologies than I do is because we were encouraged to think critically at home. I’m the boring center lefty, one brother is more far left, and the other is more a small letter l, libertarian. He’s a weird one though since he likes FDR and every other self identified one I’ve ever met hates FDR.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:42:17am

re: #375 CongoJack

I turn 33 in a month… just for reference. I completely agree. The current conservative ideology of those my age or younger are completely based in faith (and hatred).

Example: In college, in a Freedom of Speech class, I had a fellow student state that, “The real science is the Bible and that everything can be explained through it. Also that all of this liberal science was just based on faith (read: fossils are put here to test our faith craziness) and that history bore that out.”

I went off on the kid telling him that was the dumbest thing I had heard in 10 years and that he needed to get a grip on reality. Those people scare the hell out of me as they are so indoctrinated that they cannot tell the difference between faith and provable fact.

What’s the point in following a god that is going to play tricks on you?

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:42:31am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Taking down Satanic Pedophiles as a band name should I ever form a death metal band ebfore anyone else can claim it.

I have my own no-matter-what-else-band-name (The Penguin Air Force) but otherwise, yeah, that one would be worth fighting for :D

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:42:42am

re: #296 Timothy Watson

90.6% of American kids attend public schools:

nces.ed.gov

I’m saddened that the percentage figure isn’t close to 100% over here.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:43:19am

re: #378 FormerDirtDart

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It’s the bay and the bay is so important to the local economy in a lot of those Eastern shore towns and a lot of those areas even in blue Maryland are heavily Republican.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:43:25am

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

I think its actually “the Free Market will bury us all.”

Not my first time thinking a “free” market is just words to placate the raped.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:43:42am

re: #378 FormerDirtDart

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I didn’t know they were planning on cutting Chesapeake Bay cleanup. Wonder what my asshole Trump-supporting Congressman thinks of that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:43:54am

re: #381 William Lewis

I always prepare hypothetical names for things that will never happen. I already have my Irish pub name too.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:44:03am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:44:52am

re: #382 electrotek

I’m saddened that the percentage figure isn’t close to 100% over here.

Years of demonizing public education works. FWIW though, my Dad and his siblings all attended parochial schools and me and all of my cousins attended public.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:45:20am

re: #385 Timothy Watson

I didn’t know they were planning on cutting Chesapeake Bay cleanup. Wonder what my asshole Trump-supporting Congressman thinks of that.

They’re dramatically cutting down on cleaning up the Great Lakes too.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:47:24am

re: #340 Teukka

They’re fighting like cornered animals to prevent their pedophile network from being exposed. … It’s about the darkest, most disgusting, vilest corruption you can imagine. And if the American people ever find out the truth about their politicians and their celebrities in Hollywood and their TV idols and their favorite TV anchormen and women, and they find out all these great famous people and they find out that they’re just child molesters—not only molesters, but child murderers, sacrificing children to Satan. When they find out, they will drag their bloody carcasses down Constitution Avenue in Washington, D.C., with meat hooks! They’ll have meat hooks in their carcasses.

Wow, yuuuge if true.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:47:50am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

They are going to stop trying to keep the asian carp out of the great lakes. If this invasive species gets in the great lakes we might as well say goodbye to that ecosystem.

Edit: or is that the plan… the pollution will stop the asian carp /

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:48:15am

Honestly, I think the best way to get environmental issues communicated is to talk about how deregulating the environment effects us. Dirty oceans ruins our enjoyment of the beaches. Dirty rivers and bays impacts fishermen who use the bay. And dirty air and water effects us all.

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Teukka  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:48:27am

re: #390 Sir John Barron

Wow, yuuuge if true.

Shh, don’t give Faux Noise and RT ideas!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:48:40am

re: #391 CongoJack

They are going to stop trying to keep the asian carp out of the great lakes. If this invasive species gets in the great lakes we might as well say goodbye to that ecosystem.

I need to learn more about that.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:49:05am

re: #385 Timothy Watson

I didn’t know they were planning on cutting Chesapeake Bay cleanup. Wonder what my asshole Trump-supporting Congressman thinks of that.

That money goes to the states around the Chesapeake watershed. It affects small towns and big cities. Farms. Livestock. They don’t give a rats ass about anything.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:49:55am

re: #374 ObserverArt

.What good is a pile of money if everyone lives miserable lives with diseases caused by the toxicity. And look at the crazy ass weather we are getting now. Do they want to leave a fucked up world for big bucks now.

I don’t know if I want the answer to that for fear I will not be able to understand the thinking it behind it.

Look at the trend of really rich people to build and buy into post-apocalyptic sheltering condos and such. Yay, you survived, but for what reason?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:51:51am

re: #395 nines09

That money goes to the states around the Chesapeake watershed. It affects small towns and big cities. Farms. Livestock. They don’t give a rats ass about anything.

chesapeakebay.net
17 million people live in the watershed. But hey that one fighter jet was needed. // Fiscal conservatism my ass.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:52:11am

re: #395 nines09

That money goes to the states around the Chesapeake watershed. It affects small towns and big cities. Farms. Livestock. They don’t give a rats ass about anything.

My shitbag Congressman used to work for the Virginia Department of Health in “shellfish sanitation” and represents the people who need the cleanup but are so stupid they vote for Trump and the GOP.

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sagehen  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:52:17am

re: #385 Timothy Watson

I didn’t know they were planning on cutting Chesapeake Bay cleanup. Wonder what my asshole Trump-supporting Congressman thinks of that.

They think they’re being “pro-business”, as if coal mines and oil wells and chemical factories are the only businesses.

Somehow it’s escaped their attention that commercial fishing, tourism and clam chowder production are businesses too.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:52:28am

re: #396 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Look at the trend of really rich people to build and buy into post-apocalyptic sheltering condos and such. Yay, you survived, but for what reason?

For the moral superiority that being rich and ‘right’ gets you. Some people simply live off spite and the sincere belief of economic predestination: wealth makes you holy, the poor are sinners so fuck all of them.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:52:35am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

chesapeakebay.net
17 million people live in the watershed. But hey that one fighter jet was needed. // Fiscal conservatism my ass.

Makes you wonder what they want to defend.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:53:00am

re: #399 sagehen

They think they’re being “pro-business”, as if coal mines and oil well and chemical factories are the only businesses.

Somehow it’s escaped their attention that commercial fishing, tourism and clam chowder production are businesses too.

Yep.

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sagehen  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:54:08am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I think the best way to get environmental issues communicated is to talk about how deregulating the environment effects us. Dirty oceans ruins our enjoyment of the beaches. Dirty rivers and bays impacts fishermen who use the bay. And dirty air and water effects us all.

And then tie it to health care. Since the Clean Air Act went into effect, Southern California’s asthma and/or emphysema rate is less than half what it was.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:54:15am

re: #385 Timothy Watson

Trump/GOP budget looking to cut both the Great Lakes cleanup (thanks Trump voters in MI, OH, WI!) and the Chesapeake cleanup plans. Both those water resources are the foundation for a multibillion dollar regional economy.

Trump would trash both. That’d imperil tourism, recovering fisheries, damage water quality (including water sources for many cities/communities in the watersheds, etc.), and otherwise fuck those who rely on those waters for their jobs.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:54:39am

re: #401 nines09

Makes you wonder what they want to defend.

It really does. I have a special place in my heart for the Chesapeake. At least one every summer I’ve crossed the Bay Bridge in Maryland to go to the beach. My uncle even has a sail boat in the Solomons. The bay has been such a vital force in the way of life there long before the first Europeans arrived. We have an obligation to protect it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:54:58am

re: #403 sagehen

And then tie it to health care. Since the Clean Air Act went into effect, Southern California’s asthma and/or emphysema rate is less than half what it was.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:55:24am

re: #404 lawhawk

Trump/GOP budget looking to cut both the Great Lakes cleanup (thanks Trump voters in MI, OH, WI!) and the Chesapeake cleanup plans. Both those water resources are the foundation for a multibillion dollar regional economy.

Trump would trash both. That’d imperil tourism, recovering fisheries, damage water quality (including water sources for many cities/communities in the watersheds, etc.), and otherwise fuck those who rely on those waters for their jobs.

Water is life and life is water.

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scottslemmons  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:55:44am

re: #374 ObserverArt

.

What I do not understand is even big ass rich businessmen have relatives, children, grandkids, friends, etc. Do they want to leave a toxic environment for their futures?

What good is a pile of money if everyone lives miserable lives with diseases caused by the toxicity. And look at the crazy ass weather we are getting now. Do they want to leave a fucked up world for big bucks now.

Sociopathy is a hell of a drug.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:55:51am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I always prepare hypothetical names for things that will never happen. I already have my Irish pub name too.

My Nom-de-guerre would be Sean Tyler. That was the name of my favorite character in the Traveller RPG (an Imperial Scout, born on old Earth, who traveled to the Spinward Marches by being assigned to the fastest ship in the service (it still took years to get there) with his Terran Feline Overlord :D and eventually earning detached service in his own loaned out starship. )

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:56:48am

I’m thinking about collaborating with lefty brother whose big passion is the environment and its impact on people to helping him communicate his ideas in a way that can be explained to the common man easier. Kid’s got a good heart and his head is in the right place but communication may be a problem since a lot of people just see environmental issues as hippie bullshit which is really regrettable and obviously not his fault.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:57:08am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

chesapeakebay.net
17 million people live in the watershed. But hey that one fighter jet was needed. // Fiscal conservatism my ass.

The Trump’s don’t. They don’t even have a hotel or golf course there, so why should they give a fuck?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:57:13am

re: #391 CongoJack

Edit: or is that the plan… the pollution will stop the asian carp /

I am assuming put the sarc tag there to denote the stupidity of pollution stopping the expansion of a species.

But, pollution is not an impediment to most carp, they are very hardy fish. Pollution would, most likely, help select for carp domination.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:57:32am

re: #409 William Lewis

My Nom-de-guerre would be Sean Tyler. That was the name of my favorite character in the Traveller RPG (an Imperial Scout, born on old Earth, who traveled to the Spinward Marches by being assigned to the fastest ship in the service (it still took years to get there) with his Terran Feline Overlord :D and eventually earning detached service in his own loaned out starship. )

Good name. Catchy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:57:57am

re: #411 Skip Intro

The Trump’s don’t. They don’t even have a hotel or golf course there, so why should they give a fuck?

So true.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:59:01am
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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:59:12am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

chesapeakebay.net
17 million people live in the watershed. But hey that one fighter jet was needed. // Fiscal conservatism my ass.

That one fighter is built from parts manufactured in every state, meaning dozens to hundreds of people are employed just building that one part, which is then shipped off (more jobs) to a main plant where more people are employed to put those parts together into a functioning plane. Then other workers have to install the software and make sure all the bits and bobs are communicating as intended, then the plane has to be run through testing to ensure that it’s functioning as designed. Finally, the finished bird is either flown or shipped to the intended buyer.

And every company in that supply chain is putting more money in the pockets of our Congress critters than the small companies employed in cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay. That there are hundreds of thousands to millions of people dependent on the cleanliness of the Bay means nothing to them, because they don’t donate enough to be considered important.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 8:59:44am

re: #412 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I am assuming put the sarc tag there to denote the stupidity of pollution stopping the expansion of a species.

But, pollution is not an impediment to most carp, they are very hardy fish. Pollution would, most likely, help select for carp domination.

I did not know as I am not a fish fan. Though I will fight for their right to exist… except for the asian carp in America.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:00:12am

re: #416 Targetpractice

That one fighter is built from parts manufactured in every state, meaning dozens to hundreds of people are employed just building that one part, which is then shipped off (more jobs) to a main plant where more people are employed to put those parts together into a functioning plane. Then other workers have to install the software and make sure all the bits and bobs are communicating as intended, then the plane has to be run through testing to ensure that it’s functioning as designed. Finally, the finished bird is either flown or shipped to the intended buyer.

And every company in that supply chain is putting more money in the pockets of our Congress critters than the small companies employed in cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay. That there are hundreds of thousands to millions of people dependent on the cleanliness of the Bay means nothing to them, because they don’t donate enough to be considered important.

Basically what Ike called the military industrial complex.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:00:58am

re: #417 CongoJack

I did not know as I am not a fish fan. Though I will fight for their right to exist… except for the asian carp in America.

Aww man fish is good. I mean I’m more into shellfish like crabs, lobster, clams, oysters but I do love a good fish fry.

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I cannot.  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:01:00am

re: #401 nines09

Makes you wonder what they want to defend.

They don’t want to defend anything. Only offend.

Offend anyone and everyone, and when people (or countries) take offense…THEN THEY GET TO OFFEND EVEN MORE!

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:01:43am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:03:20am

re: #399 sagehen

it’s escaped their attention that commercial fishing, tourism and clam chowder production are businesses too.

The oyster harvest from the Chesapeake Bay was more than 100 million bushels / year less than 100 years ago. It is ~0.5% of that, now. The crab harvest has seen similar drops. There has been an uptick in crab harvest number and size due to restrictions (opposed by the watermen who rely on crab for a living) on harvest and clean-up of the Bay (opposed by chicken farmers on the Eastern Shore),

Going to Happy’s point about blue MD, that is mostly Montgomery, Prince George’s, Howard, and Anne Arunadel Counties. The Eastern Shore, Western Shore, and Western MD are red, but make up a much smaller fraction of MD’s population.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:04:16am

re: #416 Targetpractice

That there are hundreds of thousands to millions of people dependent on the cleanliness of the Bay means nothing to them, because they don’t donate enough to be considered important.

Doesn’t help that they vote Republican anyway.

My shitbag Congressman hates the ACA but cosponsored a bill from Barney Frank that would create a grant funded program to pay for the health care insurance of watermen.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:05:09am

re: #417 CongoJack

I did not know as I am not a fish fan. Though I will fight for their right to exist… except for the asian carp in America.

That’s what ketchup and frying is for. :)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:05:33am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:06:40am

re: #422 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The oyster harvest from the Chesapeake Bay was more than 100 million bushels / year less than 100 years ago. It is ~0.5% of that, now. The crab harvest has seen similar drops. There has been an uptick in crab harvest number and size due to restrictions (opposed by the watermen who rely on crab for a living) on harvest and clean-up of the Bay (opposed by chicken farmers on the Eastern Shore),

Going to Happy’s point about blue MD, that is mostly Montgomery, Prince George’s, Howard, and Anne Arunadel Counties. The Eastern Shore, Western Shore, and Western MD are red, but make up a much smaller fraction of MD’s population.

Baltimore city as well. I think Baltimore County is more or less a swing county at least in state elections. I’m still in the early stages of this but I really think we need to sell the environmental issues in a more simple and effective manner. As I said, it is frustrating but a lot of people do see environmental issues as hippie bullshit and an interest of “elites” too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:06:43am

CROWN HEIGHTS — The Jewish Children’s Museum on Eastern Parkway was evacuated as police investigated a bomb threat that was called in Thursday morning, the second threat in the city against a Jewish center this week, police said.

The call came in to the museum, located across from 770 Eastern Parkway, the headquarters of the Chabad-Lubavitch Jewish community, at about 9:15 a.m., an NYPD spokesman said.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:07:36am

re: #400 Citizen K

For the moral superiority that being rich and ‘right’ gets you. Some people simply live off spite and the sincere belief of economic predestination: wealth makes you holy, the poor are sinners so fuck all of them.

Calvinist’s at heart. The ‘murikan Protestant history rears it’s ugly head.

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:08:01am

re: #218 freetoken

And the Trumpers will support it all the way. My own interaction with Trump supporters, as I noted last night, tells me that they are immune to data. Nothing you show them will matter. They are in a fantasy, where they want to be.

Then again, we have this:

She sounds like one of those misinformed crank voters I’ve posted about before. Note how she says “I might as well have not voted” as opposed to “I should have voted for Democrats?”

If the Dems could only get their act together and fix *that* attitude, they’d win across the board.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:08:02am

Asian carp fishermen hook new markets

Bad timing with the new rules on dumping mine tailings….

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:08:10am

re: #377 lawhawk

They figure that the money will insulate them from the problems, just as surely as the Robber Barons built their gilded mansions while the slums in NYC remained overcrowded with their workers, or the Pittsburgh skies were a constant shade of grey/orange from the smelters/mining activities, etc.

They must think that the movie Elysium is how they’ll get by. The privileged get to breathe clean air and are disease free, while everyone else mucks by.

If the air quality gets to a point it no longer sustains life, I guess there will be no further concerns.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:09:14am

re: #428 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Calvinist’s at heart. The ‘murikan Protestant history rears it’s ugly head.

As a descendant of good Irish, German, and Slavic Catholics(well my one great grandfather was born Lutheran), I’ve never fallen into the Calvinist mindset of bad things happen to you because you deserve it. Maybe that’s part of why I’m a bleeding heart because blaming people for circumstances beyond their control pisses me off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:09:26am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

chesapeakebay.net
17 million people live in the watershed. But hey that one fighter jet was needed. // Fiscal conservatism my ass.

So our country will be dirty, polluted, sick, broke, starving, burned…

But don’t worry, because we’ll be fully prepared to bomb the shit out of anyone who messes with us!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:09:45am

re: #429 Interesting Times

Then again, we have this:

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She sounds like one of those misinformed crank voters I’ve posted about before. Note how she says “I might as well have not voted” as opposed to “I should have voted for Democrats?”

If the Dems could only get their act together and fix *that* attitude, they’d win across the board.

Maybe look at what you’re voting for next time, thx.

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:10:13am

re: #428 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Calvinist’s at heart. The ‘murikan Protestant history rears it’s ugly head.

Is that what the Reformation lead Christianity into?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:10:57am

re: #429 Interesting Times

55-year-old first-time voter

This might explain some things.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:01am

re: #433 Eclectic Cyborg

So our country will be dirty, polluted, sick, broke, starving, burned…

But don’t worry, because we’ll be fully prepared to bomb the shit out of everyone who messes with us!

R’s like to talk about how China has a lot of economic growth but if you’ve ever seen photos of day to day life in Beijing, that’s not the future I want for D.C. Economic growth shouldn’t come at the expense of the environment and our health.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:04am

re: #421 gocart mozart

These allegations should not go away until Trump proves them wrong.

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:05am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Maybe look at what you’re voting for next time, thx.

I’m afraid we can’t expect or trust the voters to do their homework beforehand :/ The ones who do are already on our side. The idiocracy is so entrenched we have to spoon-feed the “undecideds” at every step of the way.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:06am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Baltimore city as well. I think Baltimore County is more or less a swing county at least in state elections.

Point. Baltimore and Baltimore County are reliably blue.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:17am

re: #381 William Lewis

I have my own no-matter-what-else-band-name (The Penguin Air Force) but otherwise, yeah, that one would be worth fighting for :D

That band is never going to take flight!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:25am

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OK it’s personal now. That is where my grandson had his Bar Mitzvah 2 weeks ago.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:30am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:11:49am

re: #435 electrotek

Is that what the Reformation lead Christianity into?

I think the Reformation itself was a good thing, the RCC had a lot of problems that needed to be addressed but the byproduct of Calvinism and biblical literalism was an ugly one.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:12:28am

re: #429 Interesting Times

The DT voters assured us that even though he pledged to kill the ACA that DT would not do such a thing as take away their healthcare.

///

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:12:40am

re: #429 Interesting Times

If the Dems could only get their act together and fix *that* attitude, they’d win across the board.

If only Democrats would get their act together and convince racists to stop being racist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:13:36am

re: #440 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Point. Baltimore and Baltimore County are reliably blue.

Right. Basically Maryland is sort of the reverse of say Pennsylvania, PA historically is Democratic on the corners- Pittsburgh and Philly but more Republican in the middle. MD on the other hand in the western Appalachians is very Republican and very Repulican on the Eastern shore with lots of Democratic areas in the more heavily populated center.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:13:50am

re: #438 Belafon

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These allegations should not go away until Trump proves them wrong.

The voters and Congress will not care about sex tapes. It is possible that Congress will care if Trump money is shown to come from the Russians. Or maybe not.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:14:39am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:14:51am

re: #439 Interesting Times

I’m afraid we can’t expect or trust the voters to do their homework beforehand :/ The ones who do are already on our side. The idiocracy is so entrenched we have to spoon-feed the “undecideds” at every step of the way.

You’re unfortunately right. A lot of idioitic voters out there. I know it’s harsh but man to quote the Waco Kid, you know morons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:14:55am

MrBWS is on his way to Detroit right now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:15:39am

re: #449 gocart mozart

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It’s certainly possible. it’s funny. Ryan in many ways is the distant Washington insider that Republicans love to run against. I’m not even 30 years old and I have more private sector experience than he does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:15:54am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Maybe look at what you’re voting for next time, thx.

If it only it were so simple. Voting Democrat is toxic to these people. Voting for “dirty liberals” is not an option so they either hold their nose and vote for someone they don’t like or don’t vote at all.

Can’t mess up that conservative cred by voting Dem.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:16:05am

re: #429 Interesting Times

Then again, we have this:

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She sounds like one of those misinformed crank voters I’ve posted about before. Note how she says “I might as well have not voted” as opposed to “I should have voted for Democrats?”

If the Dems could only get their act together and fix *that* attitude, they’d win across the board.

I have a friend who has never voted but he said to me last year that he was considering registering and voting for Trump — because it would reduce his taxes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:16:32am

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MrBWS is on his way to Detroit right now.

There was an outage while we were in California but the power was back on by the time we got home last night.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:17:06am

re: #432 HappyWarrior

As a descendant of good Irish, German, and Slavic Catholics(well my one great grandfather was born Lutheran), I’ve never fallen into the Calvinist mindset of bad things happen to you because you deserve it. Maybe that’s part of why I’m a bleeding heart because blaming people for circumstances beyond their control pisses me off.

I also am a descendant of German Catholics. Went to Catholic school from K to 12th. We were taught Calvinism in school and why it was bad. The Nuns were quite brutal in the dissecting of Calvinism as they would explain that Jesus was not exactly a wealthy individual (at least not in corporeal form).

I am now an atheist *shrug*

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:18:02am

re: #435 electrotek

Is that what the Reformation lead Christianity into?

I would argue that the Reformation started out on a good path. Martin Luther was pissed for good reasons. But, as is wont with all revolutions, the purest of the pure still aren’t happy. And, they must become more pure to show their purity of perfectedness.

Then, the corrupters come in a take some of them down new path. I would argue that that path of christianity is no longer christian at heart. They are old testament Leviticans. They only use the christian church as a cover to make them seem more main stream.

The true followers of Marin Luther are not the problem. It’s the modern sects that are derived from and more recently from the division at the Reformation.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:18:03am

re: #408 scottslemmons

Sociopathy is a hell of a drug.

Sure seems to impede cognitive functions of the brain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:18:36am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

There was an outage while we were in California but the power was back on by the time we got home last night.

Between DTE and Consumers Energy, the outages affected more than a million customers.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:18:39am

re: #456 CongoJack

I also am a descendant of German Catholics. Went to Catholic school from K to 12th. We were taught Calvinism in school and why it was bad. The Nuns were quite brutal in the dissecting of Calvinism as they would explain that Jesus was not exactly a wealthy individual (at least not in corporeal form).

I am now an atheist *shrug*

I just remember learning about Calvin when we learned about the Reformation and 10th grade and thinking fuck this. And then having the same reaction to Objectivism in 11th grade philosophy. But yeah the humanistic approach of my Catholicism that my parents were raised with by their parents definitely influenced me though I identify as agnostic now and skeptical of organized religion.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:19:00am

re: #436 Sir John Barron

This might explain some things.

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:19:48am

re: #457 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I would argue that the Reformation started out on a good path. Martin Luther was pissed for good reasons. But, as is wont with all revolutions, the purest of the pure still aren’t happy. And, they must become more pure to show their purity of perfectedness.

Then, the corrupters come in a take some of them down new path. I would argue that that path of christianity is no longer christian at heart. They are old testament Leviticans. They only use the christian church as a cover to make them seem more main stream.

The true followers of Marin Luther are not the problem. It’s the modern sects that are derived from and more recently from the division at the Reformation.

Appreciate your insight.

I’ll keep more of this in mind when I encounter some Islamophobic idiot who talks about Islam needs to be “reformed”.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #449 gocart mozart

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:20:17am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:20:28am

re: #461 A wild WITHAK appeared!

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

I personally know 2 people (now on Medicare) who never registered to vote because they wanted to avoid jury duty,

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:20:42am

re: #457 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I would argue that the Reformation started out on a good path. Martin Luther was pissed for good reasons. But, as is wont with all revolutions, the purest of the pure still aren’t happy. And, they must become more pure to show their purity of perfectedness.

Then, the corrupters come in a take some of them down new path. I would argue that that path of christianity is no longer christian at heart. They are old testament Leviticans. They only use the christian church as a cover to make them seem more main stream.

The true followers of Marin Luther are not the problem. It’s the modern sects that are derived from and more recently from the division at the Reformation.

I think you’re right about that. The funny thing is many Evangeical churches at first were the victims of church and state together policies and today their theocratic descendants want church and state together. If I were an Evangelical, I’d be wary for church and state being brought together the same reason why I am as someone familiar with the Penal Laws impact on Ireland’s Catholics. Church and State being separate is a good thing for both the state and church.

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:20:42am

re: #464 FormerDirtDart

FAKE NEWS! JUST LIKE HOW MY LAI WAS FAKE!

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:21:11am

re: #461 A wild WITHAK appeared!

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

White privilege is somewhere in there. She didn’t think she needed to vote until the African-American done got elected.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:21:45am

re: #465 Hecuba’s daughter

I personally know 2 people (now on Medicare) who never registered to vote because they wanted to avoid jury duty,

Do they also avoid driver’s licenses?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:21:51am

re: #462 electrotek

Appreciate your insight.

I’ll keep more of this in mind when I encounter some Islamophobic idiot who talks about Islam needs to be “reformed”.

Well honestly every religion needs reformed. The RCC definitely needs to embrace women clergy for example. The Evangelical churches need to stop interpreting the Bible literally.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:22:15am

re: #417 CongoJack

I did not know as I am not a fish fan. Though I will fight for their right to exist… except for the asian carp in America.

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Aww man fish is good. I mean I’m more into shellfish like crabs, lobster, clams, oysters but I do love a good fish fry.

A nice dinner of some fresh Great Lakes Yellow Perch and/or Walleye will change your mind about fish.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:23:14am

sigh…

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:23:16am

re: #470 HappyWarrior

Well honestly every religion needs reformed. The RCC definitely needs to embrace women clergy for example. The Evangelical churches need to stop interpreting the Bible literally.

But reform doesn’t always have positive connotations. I mean, Wahhabism was a reformation movement for Christ’s sake hah

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:23:20am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:24:18am

re: #461 A wild WITHAK appeared!

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

Some people just don’t give a shit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:24:19am

re: #473 electrotek

But reform doesn’t always have positive connotations. I mean, Wahhabism was a reformation movement for Christ’s sake hah

Yeah that’s true as well. And a lot of those Evangelical churches are descendants of reform movements within Christianity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:24:59am

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:25:18am

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:05am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh…

But hey let’s worry about CREEPING SHARIAH! Seriously, this is fucked up.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:17am
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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:36am

re: #470 HappyWarrior

Well honestly every religion needs reformed. The RCC definitely needs to embrace women clergy for example. The Evangelical churches need to stop interpreting the Bible literally.

Absolutely… not to mention that all of these restrictions on women in RCC are input by Saint (Dickhead) Paul. Who just seemed to hate women.

Also there is the theory that St. Paul was a spy for the Romans and he was attempting to kill the religion early on as St. Paul said that sex should never take place and that the only way to grow the church was through conversion.

I would possibly consider going back to the RCC if it actually followed the ideals of Jesus and not Paul and the councils afterwards that wanted only to consolidate power in the male hegemony.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:49am

re: #349 makeitstop

Damn, he’s gone into full-on bunker mode. Hiding from everyone.

Stick your head out, you coward. Stop hiding behind your repulsive minions.

If only they were cute yellow minions.

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William Lewis  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:57am

re: #435 electrotek

Is that what the Reformation lead Christianity into?

Oy, now that’s a long long discussion.

Suffice to say that by 1490 there insanely huge problems with the reality of western Christianity (besides the mistakes we built in at the beginning IE antisemitism & etc.). There were a number of attempts at fixing those problems, the most famous of which was the monk Luther and, more successfully, due to Elizabeth I, Cranmer, who tried to address the issues that faced those interested in actually following the teachings of Christ Jesus. Then there were also the usual suspects who, for various reasons usually relating to maintaining power over rather than sharing power with, chose to twist those reforms into creating power niches for themselves. Fundamentalism is the same but magnified by fear of the modern.

I consider myself christian but struggle to find the anything christ like in many of the branches of that which calls itself christian in America.

Feel free to ask any questions about these thoughts via private message.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:26:58am

re: #477 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:27:07am

I wonder if it’s some group of guys sitting around a table with a few prepaid phones and a laptop googling random Jewish centers and calling in threats?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:27:08am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Aww man fish is good. I mean I’m more into shellfish like crabs, lobster, clams, oysters but I do love a good fish fry.

Ever had saltfish?

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:27:09am

re: #438 Belafon

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These allegations should not go away until Trump proves them wrong.

I was going to say…it seems Maxine may be playing Trumps own game.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:27:14am

re: #463 lawhawk

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“Homeowners’ insurance can’t work if people with intact homes must pay to subsidize those whose houses burnt down.”

Ryan is pretending to not understand how insurance works, and Trump probably doesn’t understand at all. I don’t know which is worse.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:28:07am

re: #465 Hecuba’s daughter

I personally know 2 people (now on Medicare) who never registered to vote because they wanted to avoid jury duty,

Hah, joke’s on them; I’ve voted in every election since ‘98 and I’ve never been on a jury…

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:28:13am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:28:19am

re: #481 CongoJack

Absolutely… not to mention that all of these restrictions on women in RCC are input by Saint (Dickhead) Paul. Who just seemed to hate women.

Also there is the theory that St. Paul was a spy for the Romans and he was attempting to kill the religion early on as St. Paul said that sex should never take place and that the only way to grow the church was through conversion.

I would possibly consider going back to the RCC if it actually followed the ideals of Jesus and not Paul and the councils afterwards that wanted only to consolidate power in the male hegemony.

I could never fully embrace the RCC since I’m not sure there’s a God but tehre’s a lot of RCC principles that I really like. I do like how the church welcomes immigrants for example.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:28:47am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:29:02am

re: #486 Timothy Watson

Ever had saltfish?

Yeah at a Jamaican restaurant.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:29:42am

re: #490 FormerDirtDart

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God that would be delicious if that helps do him in. Mr. “Tough on terrorism” explosed as being linked to the REvolutionary Guard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:31:45am

And the forecast here now has snow for Saturday, Monday and Tuesday.

I. Give. Up.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:32:59am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Yeah at a Jamaican restaurant.

Go to a salt-fish breakfast sometime. :)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:33:36am

re: #496 Timothy Watson

Go to a salt-fish breakfast sometime. :)

Sounds good. I love trying new foods. Had ox-tail at the same place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:34:04am
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electrotek  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:35:31am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

God that would be delicious if that helps do him in. Mr. “Tough on terrorism” explosed as being linked to the REvolutionary Guard.

LOL yep, sucks for all the Iranian exiles that voted for Trump thinking he would be tough on the Ayatollahs.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:36:02am

re: #457 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I would argue that the Reformation started out on a good path. Martin Luther was pissed for good reasons. But, as is wont with all revolutions, the purest of the pure still aren’t happy. And, they must become more pure to show their purity of perfectedness.

Then, the corrupters come in a take some of them down new path. I would argue that that path of christianity is no longer christian at heart. They are old testament Leviticans. They only use the christian church as a cover to make them seem more main stream.

The true followers of Marin Luther are not the problem. It’s the modern sects that are derived from and more recently from the division at the Reformation.

Heh. This reminds me. Some are talking about band names. I played in one band with some old school (Catholic) friends back in the early 80s.

The band name: 95 Posters

I think you might figure where that name may have come from.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:37:45am

re: #500 ObserverArt

Heh. This reminds me. Some are talking about band names. I played in one band with some old school (Catholic) friends back in the early 80s.

The band name: 95 Posters

I think you might figure where that name may have come from.

Okay, just came up with my Irish folk band name. Wait for it, Whiskey Wheel. I like alteration and whiskey, what can I say.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:37:57am

re: #461 A wild WITHAK appeared!

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

i_ _ _ t

Fill in the blanks!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:38:12am

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul Ryan: “There’s a lot of stuff that we would loooove to put in the bill, but unfortunately” Senate reconciliation rules won’t allow it

Won’t this also require that the bill be scored and declared revenue neutral? If so, why the rush to get this out of House committee?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:38:54am

re: #461 A wild WITHAK appeared!

How do you live through seven or eight Presidential elections and never cast a ballot?

Unless they just became a citizen….

But yeah.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:39:00am

re: #433 Eclectic Cyborg

So our country will be dirty, polluted, sick, broke, starving, burned…

But don’t worry, because we’ll be fully prepared to bomb the shit out of anyone who messes with us!

MAGA

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:40:10am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:40:15am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

God that would be delicious if that helps do him in. Mr. “Tough on terrorism” explosed as being linked to the REvolutionary Guard.

Only a very, very small part of that article is about the Azerbaijan project. It addresses his conflicts of interest across the globe…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:41:04am

re: #498 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The “death spiral” quote is from a company CEO who is destroying health insurance for people and his own company just to get back at the DOJ over not letting company merge with Humana.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:42:24am

re: #506 The Vicious Babushka

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Those miners are going to find out the hadr way that Trump and the GOP could give two shtis about them. The benefit for black lung was hard fought for. My mom’s grandfathers both died before miners benefited from it. Part of the reason why I’m not gung-ho about the mines coming back because the mines not only are bad for the environment as a whole but they’re especially bad for the miners themselves.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:43:08am
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:44:33am

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s some group of guys sitting around a table with a few prepaid phones and a laptop googling random Jewish centers and calling in threats?

How easy would it be for some Alt-rights to be doing this and trying to get it blamed on Islamic terrorist in this country. They get to hassle Jewish people and Muslims.

I bet they are all being paid by Bannon!

Hey…that’s it. Start blaming all kinds of shit on groups being paid by Bannon and Trump.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:45:35am

re: #506 The Vicious Babushka

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:46:05am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

It’s certainly possible. it’s funny. Ryan in many ways is the distant Washington insider that Republicans love to run against. I’m not even 30 years old and I have more private sector experience than he does.

Congressional liason and chief lobbyist for all Fortune 500 companies is sort of private sector experience. Speaker of the House is just his deep cover.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:46:17am

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s some group of guys sitting around a table with a few prepaid phones and a laptop googling random Jewish centers and calling in threats?

400 LB loser living in his parents’ basement./

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:46:43am

re: #469 Timothy Watson

Do they also avoid driver’s licenses?

Years ago the city only looked at voter registration lists. I know that now they have expanded to other lists. But these people made the decision back when the original rules were in effect

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:46:58am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

That’s the very definition of a death spiral - when the insurance policy doesn’t have enough funds to pay off claims because they don’t have a good mix of healthy people to cover for those who get sick.

The GOP lies about Obamacare include that it’s socialism, but that shows they use the word without knowing what it means (or lie about it).

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:48:20am

Let’s just dispense with this idiotic idea that we need ‘free-market’ based healthcare reform.

A free market for health care means just about everyone with a serious medical condition will go bankrupt, and die shortly thereafter.

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:49:11am

re: #403 sagehen

And then tie it to health care. Since the Clean Air Act went into effect, Southern California’s asthma and/or emphysema rate is less than half what it was.

Also, change the terminology from regulations to safety protection.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:49:23am

re: #498 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obamacare isn’t in a death spiral because 80% of its customers get subsidies. The Ryancare bill, otoh, is likely to actually trigger death spirals since it gives the young and healthy little reason to buy coverage.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:49:51am

The Los Angeles voter turnout yesterday turned out to be a complete shitshow and @yashar was spot on.

It was indeed low turnout. Only ~11% of registered voters turned out.

This is beyond awful and it shows that people STILL haven’t learned anything from November (and probably never will).

latimes.com

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:50:48am

Transparency

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:51:27am

re: #517 EPR-radar

Let’s just dispense with this idiotic idea that we need ‘free-market’ based healthcare reform.

A free market for health care means just about everyone with a serious medical condition will go bankrupt, and die shortly thereafter.

The free market can be used to supply a solution, but the problem has to be defined as “Everyone has the right to quality health care where the cost isn’t going to be a hindrance to getting that care.”

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stpaulbear  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:51:40am

re: #429 Interesting Times

Then again, we have this:

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She sounds like one of those misinformed crank voters I’ve posted about before. Note how she says “I might as well have not voted” as opposed to “I should have voted for Democrats?”

If the Dems could only get their act together and fix *that* attitude, they’d win across the board.

Interesting take. You take a voter who’s never voted before and, when she finally goes for it, she votes for someone who’s the opposite of what she actually wants. Then you say that it’s the Democrats fault for not having their act together.

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:51:53am

re: #500 ObserverArt

Heh. This reminds me. Some are talking about band names. I played in one band with some old school (Catholic) friends back in the early 80s.

The band name: 95 Posters

I think you might figure where that name may have come from.

My rock band goes by the name Nurse Diesel. A lot of people ask where that came from.

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:52:11am

re: #519 Big Beautiful Door

Obamacare isn’t in a death spiral because 80% of its customers get subsidies. The Ryancare bill, otoh, is likely to actually trigger death spirals since it gives the young and healthy little reason to buy coverage.

And will KEEP the young and healthy off the roles. If someone does not sign up for coverage (because they are young and healthy) and then they attempt to purchase insurance later there will be a 30% penalty of additional cost that goes directly to the insurance company (instead of it given to the government to support subsidies for the poor).

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:52:18am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:53:15am

re: #520 lawhawk

The Los Angeles voter turnout yesterday turned out to be a complete shitshow and @yashar was spot on.

It was indeed low turnout. Only ~11% of registered voters turned out.

This is beyond awful and it shows that people STILL haven’t learned anything from November (and probably never will).

latimes.com

Though the voters who did turn out at least rejected the bad proposal to stop housing development in L.A.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:54:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:56:10am
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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:57:51am

re: #528 Big Beautiful Door

“A Republic, if you can keep it”….
I’m thinking no. Le sigh.

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 9:59:43am

Program note for you prog rock fans - Jon Anderson will perform with Yes at their RNRHOF induction - along with Geddy Lee on bass!

Not a big fan of the Rock Hall, but I may have to tune in for that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:01:21am

re: #522 lawhawk

Heh, the fact that was a Russian character is just the icing on the cake.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:01:56am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

Paul Ryan says insurance can’t work if healthy must pay more to subsidize the sick. But this is exactly what happens in every employer plan.

— Jonathan Cohn

That’s different because

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:03:48am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:06:42am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

Dang it. It’s scary to have such idiots in public office. Insurance exists when the majority of non-sick people subsidize healthcare for everyone, including those who are sick and need insurance. Duh!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:08:13am

re: #531 JordanRules

“A Republic, if you can keep it”….
I’m thinking no. Le sigh.

I still have faith, though it was badly shaken last November. I really didn’t want to believe America could elect such a heinous figure President.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:08:32am

re: #530 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:10:04am

re: #524 stpaulbear

Interesting take. You take a voter who’s never voted before and, when she finally goes for it, she votes for someone who’s the opposite of what she actually wants. Then you say that it’s the Democrats fault for not having their act together.

Are you familiar with the work of George Lakoff? Framing? And did you read the article I linked to on crank voters?

Railing against dumb and/or misinformed voters and demanding they change won’t help Democrats win elections. Like it or not, Democrats have to peel away enough of those voters to win the Electoral College and overcome gerrymandering. All I’m asking is that they consider coming up with a way to reach those reachable voters. If you think that’s unreasonable, you’re pretty much killing the messenger.

There’s this as well:

After the debates, Democracy Corps tested a message from Democratic candidates attacking Trump for his extreme attitudes and behavior versus a Democratic candidate demanding big economic changes and attacking their opponent for supporting for trickle-down and protecting corporate special interests. We found that the tough economic message performed dramatically better in consolidating millennials, white unmarried women and white working class women.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:14:26am

re: #539 Interesting Times

Are you familiar with the work of George Lakoff? Framing? And did you read the article I linked to on crank voters?

Railing against dumb and/or misinformed voters and demanding they change won’t help Democrats win elections. Like it or not, Democrats have to peel away enough of those voters to win the Electoral College and overcome gerrymandering. All I’m asking is that they consider coming up with a way to reach those reachable voters. If you think that’s unreasonable, you’re pretty much killing the messenger.

There’s this as well:

We’ll never know, but I wonder how Hillary would’ve fared if she emphasized her plan for free college education to help our children get good jobs, instead of focusing solely on Trump’s negatives?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:15:18am

re: #539 Interesting Times

Are you familiar with the work of George Lakoff? Framing? And did you read the article I linked to on crank voters?

Railing against dumb and/or misinformed voters and demanding they change won’t help Democrats win elections. Like it or not, Democrats have to peel away enough of those voters to win the Electoral College and overcome gerrymandering. All I’m asking is that they consider coming up with a way to reach those reachable voters. If you think that’s unreasonable, you’re pretty much killing the messenger.

There’s this as well:

We’ve so ran out of ideas that we have to go back to George Lakoff?

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:17:17am

re: #540 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll never know, but I wonder how Hillary would’ve fared if she emphasized her plan for free college education to help our children get good jobs, instead of focusing solely on Trump’s negatives?

She did - it just didn’t get on TeeVee because being a wonk does not lead to ratings.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:20:11am

re: #542 CongoJack

She did - it just didn’t get on TeeVee because being a wonk does not lead to ratings.

Every Hillary commercial I saw was solely about Trump.

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:20:47am

re: #544 Big Beautiful Door

Every Hillary commercial I saw was solely about Trump.

Not me; not by a long shot.

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:21:05am

re: #541 Timothy Watson

We’ve so ran out of ideas that you have to go back to George Lakoff?

Well, perhaps because too many Democrats didn’t go to him in the first place? e_e

Seriously though, what parts of his arguments - and the general idea of framing things in terms that resonate with people and advance one’s values - do you object to?

(example: he advocates Democrats say “public protections” instead of “regulations”, because the former as a moral, positive connotation while the other buys into GOPer negative framing. So far, I haven’t actually seen any Dems do this on a wide scale. What’s the harm in at least trying?)

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:21:06am

re: #542 CongoJack

She did - it just didn’t get on TeeVee because being a wonk does not lead to ratings.

Also, being a reasonably truthful policy wonk isn’t going to help with voters who are hearing lies they want to believe.

Although I agree that the Democrats need to improve their nationwide effort (minimally, every house district in the nation should have a real (D) candidate), a first time Trump voter whose only expressed alternative to that abomination is not voting at all is probably not reachable.

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makeitstop  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:22:26am

re: #545 retired cynic

Not me; not by a long shot.

Me neither.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:22:30am

re: #546 Interesting Times

Well, perhaps because too many Democrats didn’t go to him in the first place? e_e

Seriously though, what parts of his arguments - and the general idea of framing things in terms that resonate with people and advance one’s values - do you object to?

(example: he advocates Democrats say “public protections” instead of “regulations”, because the former as a moral, positive connotation while the other buys into GOPer negative framing. So far, I haven’t actually seen any Dems do this on a wide scale. What’s the harm in at least trying?)

Because listening to his crap for eight years under Bush accomplished a lot?

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:26:50am

re: #549 Timothy Watson

Because listening to his crap for eight years under Bush accomplished a lot?

I don’t understand what you mean. Is there a specific example of something he suggested that Democrats actually did, only to have it backfire?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:30:00am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:30:52am

re: #551 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jesus fucking Christ. Stop campaigning and do your fucking job.

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TedStriker  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:33:05am

re: #551 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh god…stay away, Trumpzilla.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:33:27am

re: #550 Interesting Times

I don’t understand what you mean. Is there a specific example of something he suggested that Democrats actually did, only to have it backfire?

It was eight years of Lakoff giving linguistic and marketing advice, all of which sounded dumber than shit.

And instead of calling something what is, like a “regulation” which is published as part of the Code of Federal Regulations, we should make up some marketing friendly term so we sound like an absolute idiot when speaking.

Should we also seek a “paradigm shift” while “networking” with “out of the box thinking”?

Goddamn buzz word bingo bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:33:29am

re: #550 Interesting Times

I don’t understand what you mean. Is there a specific example of something he suggested that Democrats actually did, only to have it backfire?

As I see it, the main problem here is that Democrats usually dislike framing/slogans, while Republicans love them. In fact Republican ‘policymaking’ is nothing but the crafting of sound bites and slogans.

That makes it a real challenge for Democrats to come up with framing/slogans that are embraced enthusiastically enough by both the (D) base and establishment that they will propagate widely and possibly influence swing voters.

The 99% and the 1% is the one lefty frame that seems to have worked recently, vs. many GOP frames like ‘death tax’, ‘taxation is theft’ etc., and this came from the Occupy protests rather than from within the Democratic Party.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:33:40am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

He thinks that is his job.

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thecommodore  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:33:56am

I have a lot of Facebook friends, and some of them lean right, however up to now, I hadn’t seen anyone post wingnuttery. But lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-trans bullshit that is just flat out mean. As evidenced by this:

And because this one is so edgy, this one might escape you, but this poster is making a comment about Internationa; Women’s Day.

Get it? Are your sides splitting open yet?

Wow dude. You’ll be on “Louder With Crowder” in no time.

But seriously, these people have a deep need to dump on anyone who is different, and probably because they heard Rush or someone drop a zinger on them.

The age of Trump is truly the age of the mindless.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:34:26am

Spicer just fucked up bigly.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:37:58am

re: #557 thecommodore

I have a lot of Facebook friends, and some of them lean right, however up to now, I hadn’t seen anyone post wingnuttery. But lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-trans bullshit that is just flat out mean. As evidenced by this:

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And because this one is so edgy, this one might escape you, but this poster is making a comment about Internationa; Women’s Day.

Get it? Are your sides splitting open yet?

Wow dude. You’ll be on “Louder With Crowder” in no time.

But seriously, these people have a deep need to dump on anyone who is different, and probably because they heard Rush or someone drop a zinger on them.

The age of Trump is truly the age of the mindless.

Real hilarious.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:38:07am

re: #558 Kragar

There’s that extreme vetting we knew Trump was famous for.

He picked everyone precisely because of their conflicts of interests and contacts with the wrong sort of people.

That he knew, and still made him NSA, is definitely incriminating.

The GOP, of course, will do nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:38:47am

re: #557 thecommodore

I have a lot of Facebook friends, and some of them lean right, however up to now, I hadn’t seen anyone post wingnuttery. But lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-trans bullshit that is just flat out mean. As evidenced by this:

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And because this one is so edgy, this one might escape you, but this poster is making a comment about Internationa; Women’s Day.

Get it? Are your sides splitting open yet?

Wow dude. You’ll be on “Louder With Crowder” in no time.

But seriously, these people have a deep need to dump on anyone who is different, and probably because they heard Rush or someone drop a zinger on them.

The age of Trump is truly the age of the mindless.

you know for people woh claim they want the government off their back, a lot of conservatives are obsessed with other people’s choice of gender identity. ANd agh Crowder, my one wingnut friend loves his stupid and lame shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:38:50am

MrBWS just called…they have arrived. They’re staging at a small airport some 30 miles outside of Detroit and will be working the more rural areas.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:38:52am
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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:40:12am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:41:17am

Of course, my dumbass wingnut friend insists “you can always tell” if someone’s transgendered or not. I didn’t want ot be a dick but I felt like telling him that there are lot of women from the part of Texas he grew up in that many would say looked like truckers in drag and many transwomen who are quite stunningly physically attractive. Not to mention the many transmen who are more physically built than either of us two and have more tattoos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:42:41am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:42:51am

You’re not bothering me by identifying as another gender than the one you were born into. You are bothering me by wanting a birth certificate police to police people going to the bathroom. Of course, dumbass wingnuts literally think every transperson is a “man in a dress.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:43:46am

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fun times with the man who accused Grandpa Raffy of killing JFK. Man I despise Ted and his dad both but I hope Rafael writes him out of the will because of this shit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:08am

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is the giraffe stuffed with children?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:17am

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just called…they have arrived. They’re staging at a small airport some 30 miles outside of Detroit and will be working the more rural areas.

Driving home last night from the airport was weird. WHY IS IT SO DARK OUT HERE?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:29am

re: #564 Kragar

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At least he can’t do any real policy damage while he’s “campaigning?”

That’s all I got.

This is where we are as a country.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:34am

Seriously, even if the man was in the same party as me, I’d never make nice with someone who did to the Cruzes what Trump did but then again Cruz is nothing but a spineless hack who cares about his own power more than his family.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:44am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Jesus fucking Christ. Stop campaigning and do your fucking job.

Apparently this is all he knows how to do. So, this is his job so he can maintain a place for his minions to do their destructive deeds.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:44:46am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:45:30am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

Of course, my dumbass wingnut friend insists “you can always tell” if someone’s transgendered or not. I didn’t want ot be a dick but I felt like telling him that there are lot of women from the part of Texas he grew up in that many would say looked like truckers in drag and many transwomen who are quite stunningly physically attractive. Not to mention the many transmen who are more physically built than either of us two and have more tattoos.

Tell him to google Buck Angel. For extra hilarity, make sure he does it from a work computer.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:45:38am

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Contemplate the spacial composition of that photo.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:46:36am

re: #576 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Tell him to google Buck Angel. For extra hilarity, make sure he does it from a work computer.

I will the next time he goes on a transphobic rant.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:46:51am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:47:13am

re: #555 EPR-radar

As I see it, the main problem here is that Democrats usually dislike framing/slogans, while Republicans love them. In fact Republican ‘policymaking’ is nothing but the crafting of sound bites and slogans.

You can’t deny it’s worked brilliantly for them as far as winning elections, however.

That makes it a real challenge for Democrats to come up with framing/slogans that are embraced enthusiastically enough by both the (D) base and establishment that they will propagate widely and possibly influence swing voters.

I think Elizabeth Warren provides an excellent template.

The 99% and the 1% is the one lefty frame that seems to have worked recently, vs. many GOP frames like ‘death tax’, ‘taxation is theft’ etc., and this came from the Occupy protests rather than from within the Democratic Party.

Then perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned there, re listening to the base. Also, marketing. I’m really stunned at the vitriol some people here fall into when someone dares suggest Dems try being more effective at it.

Like it or not, this is the age of idiocracy. Railing against people because they fall for slogans instead of substance is like an IT expert complaining about non-technical clients who don’t understand the intricacies of various networking protocols.

Either tailor your message for the target audience, or get used to them never listening to you.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:47:28am

Rod Dreher has a sad from Rachel Held Evans evisceration of his long form grift…

theamericanconservative.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:47:37am

re: #579 Kragar

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Yep, that’s exactly what I was thinking of.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:47:42am

re: #577 Decatur Deb

Even in this shot, he’s got to show power and demand the attention. Instead of interacting with the kids, he’s using them as a prop. Again, this is all he ever does - all his photos use other people as props.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:48:09am

re: #581 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher has a sad from Rachel Held Evans evisceration of his long form grift…

theamericanconservative.com

Rod needs to get laid or wack off more often. Maybe he wouldn’t have so many sticks up his asshole all the time if he did.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:48:21am
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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:49:19am

re: #585 Kragar

Everything really has been right in our faces when you think about it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:49:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:50:01am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:50:58am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:51:04am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

I will the next time he goes on a transphobic rant.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:51:33am

re: #540 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll never know, but I wonder how Hillary would’ve fared if she emphasized her plan for free college education to help our children get good jobs, instead of focusing solely on Trump’s negatives?

I don’t think it would have mattered; the only time she got real press was when she attacked Trump.

The primary reason she “lost” was: Comey - Comey - Comey. If he had said nothing, she would have won — perhaps even in a landslide. Mother Jones has an article about this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:53:28am
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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:53:36am
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:53:39am

re: #577 Decatur Deb

Contemplate the spacial composition of that photo.

I can’t because there is no composition to that image.

I would think someone with the enormous ego of Donny would want a professional photographer to document the man that is (not) Making America Great Again.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:54:32am

re: #593 Kragar

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And this is the same party that accused Obama of shoaving ACA down our throats.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:54:37am

Nicely lettered and spelled sign in a turnpike facility near Huntsville:

Gentlemen,

Please do not put chewing tobacco in the urinal. It clogs them up.

Thank you,
The Management

Good to be back in Alabama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:54:57am

re: #594 ObserverArt

I can’t because there is no composition to that image.

I would think someone with the enormous ego of Donny would want a professional photographer to document the man that is (not) Making America Great Again.

Had to make sure those luxurious gold drapes were included.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:55:12am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

And this is the same party that accused Obama of shoaving ACA down our throats.

And bitched about using reconciliation to make changes to the ACA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:55:41am

re: #598 Timothy Watson

And bitched about using reconciliation to make changes to the ACA.

Projection thy name is GOP.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:56:19am

re: #583 lawhawk

Even in this shot, he’s got to show power and demand the attention. Instead of interacting with the kids, he’s using them as a prop. Again, this is all he ever does - all his photos use other people as props.

And always with his forced fake smiles.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:56:31am

Just leaving this here…

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:57:03am

re: #263 lawhawk

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Totally fucking believable. These anti-science know-nothings don’t care about anything other than corporate profits and enabling the rich to get even richer by burdening everyone else in every way and often in the most painful manners conceived.

Well, of course it’s believable. “I get up, I sue the Feds, and I go home.”- Greg Abbot, on his former job as Texas AG.

These guys. Pruitt is no different. Morons. Fuckwits. Evil and dangerous fuckwits.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:58:34am

re: #601 FormerDirtDart

Not defaulting on our debt. Something that used to be pretty unremarkable, until a black president.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:58:49am

re: #601 FormerDirtDart

Just leaving this here…

Not are fault because Obummer ran up all zillions of debt so GOP has no choice now, etc.

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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 10:59:50am

re: #596 Decatur Deb

“Please spit on your own shoes. Thank you.”

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:00:20am

re: #603 jaunte

Well, the GOP is so fucked up these days that even with them in control and no Democrats obstruction, it’s not certain that they’d get it done. Or, if it is done, it’s because Ryan suspends the Hastert rule to let Democrats bail them out.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:01:04am

re: #601 FormerDirtDart

I can honestly see Trump and the GOP not doing this, just because it will hurt the US.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:01:16am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:01:25am

re: #602 austin_blue

These guys. Pruitt is no different. Morons. Fuckwits. Evil and dangerous fuckwits.

Many of them are not morons — they are just evil. OTOH most Republican voters may indeed be morons.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:02:29am

re: #608 Kragar

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READ THE BILL!!1!

Wait, never mind…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:02:38am
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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:02:48am

re: #591 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think it would have mattered; the only time she got real press was when she attacked Trump.

She was definitely harmed by media malpractice, yes. However, the ads I saw (national ad buys) were overwhelmingly anti-trump. Ads were the one area where she could have pushed a “vote FOR me” message instead of “vote against trump”, and I kept hoping she’d do a prime-time 30-minute special like Obama did in 2008. But it never came :/

The primary reason she “lost” was: Comey - Comey - Comey. If he had said nothing, she would have won — perhaps even in a landslide. Mother Jones has an article about this.

Yes, though perhaps for more complex reasons than first appear:

It does not explain, however, why Hillary Clinton failed to win the presidency on November 8th. The Comey letter re-opened the vote decision for some people and critically impacted the race, but the Clinton campaign moved from running on change to running on continuity. She fully articulated an economic change message through out the three debates and offered her plans for change, but after the Comey FBI letter, the campaign no longer spoke of change, the economy and her bold plans for the future. In the final weeks, the Clinton campaign conceded the economy and change to Trump, while seeking to make him personally unacceptable. Frustratingly, it closed the campaign appealing for unity, promising to promote opportunity and to “build on the progress” of the Obama presidency. That is why key groups of voters moved to Trump in the Rust Belt and why the turnout of many base groups was so disappointing in the end.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:04:29am

re: #611 Backwoods_Sleuth

Um, whut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:04:39am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:06:07am

re: #614 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To think I once sorta respected him since he was atypical of the China cyber-rattling that Romney was doing a lot of in 2012.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:08:47am

re: #611 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does Dumpster know about the CIA or its “systems”?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:09:13am

re: #615 HappyWarrior

To think I once sorta respected him since he was atypical of the China cyber-rattling that Romney was doing a lot of in 2012.

I guess Huntsman likes to travel and live in exotic places.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:09:38am

re: #615 HappyWarrior

To think I once sorta respected him since he was atypical of the China cyber-rattling that Romney was doing a lot of in 2012.

Every Republican in the country needs to be covered with wet, sticky, Trump.

(Spent a day in the Carnegie Museum. The type-specimen T. Rex and I are closer in age than when last we met.)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:12:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:12:44am
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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:13:36am

re: #618 Decatur Deb

You’re in the heart of dead-red country. Are there any people who, as a result of what’s going on, show even the slightest sign of abandoning the GOP?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:14:17am

re: #618 Decatur Deb

Every Republican in the country needs to be covered with wet, sticky, Trump.

(Spent a day in the Carnegie Museum. The type-specimen T. Rex and I are closer in age than when last we met.)

Yep tar the bastards.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:14:28am

re: #620 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It was 16 degrees, 20 mph winds, when were there Saturday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:14:45am
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nines09  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:15:05am

re: #616 Sir John Barron

What does Dumpster know about the CIA or its “systems”?

He’s going to fuck everyone and everything and the GOP will laugh and laugh….

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:15:24am

re: #621 Interesting Times

You’re in the heart of dead-red country. Are there any people who, as a result of what’s going on, show even the slightest sign of abandoning the GOP?

No. And too many who have not abandoned Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:15:29am

re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmmm.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:15:35am

re: #619 FormerDirtDart

Spicer: Obamacare repeal bill ‘will land on the president’s desk. He will sign it

Scarier words have rarely been spoken.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:17:50am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

And this is the same party that accused Obama of shoaving ACA down our throats.

Because they’re fascinated with shoving things down throats. Conservative imagery is weird.

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Interesting Times  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:18:28am

re: #626 Decatur Deb

No. And too many who have not abandoned Bernie.

Were those people ever Dems? Or are they independents? “Both sides are the same” types? If so, is there anything that could break through that? (again, no point trying to reach everyone or even a majority. Just enough to make up 80k margins over 3 states…)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:19:59am

re: #630 Interesting Times

Were those people ever Dems? Or are they independents? “Both sides are the same” types? If so, is there anything that could break through that? (again, no point trying to reach everyone or even a majority. Just enough to make up 80k margins over 3 states…)

Those people are twerps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:20:34am
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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:27:18am

re: #620 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the second time in 3 weeks that we’ve had 60+ temps followed by snow a day later in the NYC metro area.

Next week, we’re going to have the winter temps here that we really haven’t had all winter (and spring is just a few weeks away).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:27:54am
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Jay C  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:32:25am

re: #581 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher has a sad from Rachel Held Evans evisceration of his long form grift…

theamericanconservative.com

Heh. Worth perusing if only for nailing this:

White Christian Industrial Persecution Complex.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:40:15am

re: #632 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Social Security: working people paying benefits for retired people.

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Ubiq  Mar 9, 2017 • 11:55:51am

re: #544 Big Beautiful Door

Every Hillary commercial I saw was solely about Trump.

Here’s the trap the Clinton campaign fell into: every time they did a commercial about issues, the press ignored it. Every time they did a commercial about Trump, the press covered it.

Also, focus groups showed repeatedly that the single most effective line of attack was ‘Trump is too unstable to be the president’. I think the Clinton campaign fell too much in love with the size of the gap.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 1:45:45pm

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