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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2017 • 6:30:22pm

what a clusterh*ck

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TedStriker  Mar 11, 2017 • 6:35:06pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a clusterh*ck

And Sessions probably said, “Eh…”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2017 • 6:38:05pm

Trump just sees it as firing another brown person…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2017 • 6:52:41pm

This is the first chance I’ve had to see the entire clip.
When the baby comes into the room in the walker, LOLOLOLOL!!!
And mom does indeed have some mad ninja skills.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2017 • 6:58:23pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t know why he pushed away his daughter. The very essence of a “home office” is the “home” part.

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BigPapa  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:00:26pm

I have confirmed this on Snopes, it is true.

A baseball re-enactment of how Trump won the election.

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:00:42pm

As far as pushing the girl back in her face, without turning around and looking, the dad could tell his hand was at face level and lowered his hand to her chest for the push.

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TedStriker  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:08:51pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump just sees it as firing another brown person…

You know Trump loved the shit out of doing the deed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:11:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:11:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:13:10pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What Spicer meant was the meeting took place on the 15th tee.

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:14:42pm

re: #10 FormerDirtDart

That’s sad. Danced my ass off to that song with sorority sisters back in the day.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:15:07pm

Swallow what you’re drinking, make sure you’re seated

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:16:08pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

No, no, no, no, no.

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calochortus  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:16:12pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

Swallow what you’re drinking, make sure you’re seated

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Thanks for that warning.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:16:20pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

uh huh

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:17:04pm

Those crazy rabid Bernie Sanders supporters we saw posting crazy fake stories and conspiracy theories during the campaign, many of which were picked up and circulated by people like Shaun King? A lot of them were probably Russian trolls.

The Bernie Sanders Campaign Faced A Fake News Tsunami. Where Did It Come From?

WASHINGTON ― Last June, John Mattes started noticing something coursing like a virus through the Facebook page he helped administer for Bernie Sanders fans in San Diego. People with no apparent ties to California were friending the page and sharing links from unfamiliar sites full of anti-Hillary Clinton propaganda.

The stories they posted weren’t the normal complaints he was used to seeing as the Vermont senator and the former secretary of state fought out the Democratic presidential primary. These stories alleged that Clinton had murdered her political opponents and used body doubles.

Mattes, 66, had been a television reporter and Senate investigator in previous lives. He put his expertise in unmasking fraudsters to work. At first, he suspected that the sites were created by the old Clinton haters from the ’90s ― what Hillary Clinton had dubbed “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

But when Mattes started tracking down the sites’ domain registrations, the trail led to Macedonia and Albania. In mid-September, he emailed a few of his private investigator friends with a list of the sites. “Very creepy and i do not think Koch brothers,” he wrote.

Mattes and his friends didn’t know what to make of his findings. He couldn’t get his mind around the possibility that trolls overseas might be trying to sway a bunch of Southern Californians who supported Sanders’ run for president. “I may be a dark cynic and I may have been an investigative reporter for a long time, but this was too dark ― and too unbelievable and most upsetting,” he said. “What was I to do with this?”

By late October, Mattes said he’d traced 40 percent of the domain registrations for the fake news sites he saw popping up on pro-Sanders pages back to Eastern Europe. Others appeared to be based in Panama and the U.S., or were untraceable. He wondered, “Am I the only person that sees all this crap floating through these Bernie pages?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:20:10pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Man, Russia fucked all of us in this election.

Big time.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:22:03pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, Russia fucked all of us in this election.

Big time.

This is why this is a story that needs to be dragged into daylight, aired in public testimony, adjudicated in court. This is more than one party or the other. This is our democracy!

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BigPapa  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:24:33pm

Still trying to wrap my head around people like @cassandrarules that were all Bernie and went to Trump. Total derangement.

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calochortus  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:29:47pm

re: #20 BigPapa

Still trying to wrap my head around people like @cassandrarules that were all Bernie and went to Trump. Total derangement.

I think they saw it as status quo (Clinton) or Change (Bernie or Trump.) It makes some sense in the same way gambling the rent money does if you feel you are in a situation that requires more than you can expect to come up with otherwise.

I’m not saying that it is necessarily the wise choice, but it is one people make.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:29:47pm
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calochortus  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:31:40pm

Anyway, about to head out for the rest of the evening.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:31:52pm
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BigPapa  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:32:10pm

I don’t know if all of them believe the crap on the fakery blogs: some of them are living in a fantasy world and want to perpetuate it. And some are just trolls so anything that constitutes the throwing of shit they’re all for.

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BigPapa  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:33:47pm

Don’t wanna kiss me huh?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:35:59pm

re: #20 BigPapa

Still trying to wrap my head around people like @cassandrarules that were all Bernie and went to Trump. Total derangement.

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She is a freak. I followed her before & during her switch to trump.

Deranged. She hearts Richard Spencer.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:39:49pm

Flipping through the channels, and a farmersonly.com commercial had a black woman signing onto the site, and a white man walks in to, it’s implied, date her.

I’m curious what the reaction to it will be.

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EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:39:50pm

About that study from the previous thread showing that Clinton’s campaign was devoid of policy in a way that campaigns in the previous 4 elections were not, the title and top level message were misleading.

It should have been: Trump as a candidate was devoid of policy positions in a way that candidates in the previous 4 elections were not.

IMO Clinton had no choice except going after Trump on the non-policy stuff because Trump is a total bullshitter whose ‘policy positions’ are whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear in that moment.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:39:58pm

re: #10 FormerDirtDart

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Brings back memories of watching the Pirates in 1979 all the way to their last World Series win!

RIP, Joni!

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TedStriker  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:40:01pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

Swallow what you’re drinking, make sure you’re seated

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Joe Bacon  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:41:29pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

Must have a shot of espresso because the cerebrum cannot process what it just encountered…

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allegro  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:44:52pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

About that study from the previous thread showing that Clinton’s campaign was devoid of policy in a way that campaigns in the previous 4 elections were not, the title and top level message were misleading.

It should have been: Trump as a candidate was devoid of policy positions in a way that candidates in the previous 4 elections were not.

IMO Clinton had no choice except going after Trump on the non-policy stuff because Trump is a total bullshitter whose ‘policy positions’ are whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear in that moment.

Trump’s incompetence and mental problems were policy issues, IMO.

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BigPapa  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:44:57pm

Filed under ‘Funny but not Funny’

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:51:54pm

The Atlantic: Is It Better to Be Poor in Bangladesh or the Mississippi Delta?

Angus Deaton studies the grand questions not just of economics but of life. What makes people happy? How should we measure well-being? Should countries give foreign aid? What can and should experiments do? Is inequality increasing or decreasing? Is the world getting better or worse?

Better, he believes, truly better. But not everywhere or for everyone. This week, in a speech at a conference held by the National Association for Business Economics, Deaton, the Nobel laureate and emeritus Princeton economist, pointed out that inequality among countries is decreasing, while inequality within countries is increasing. China and India are making dramatic economic improvements, while parts of sub-Saharan Africa are seeing much more modest gains. In developed countries, the rich have gotten much richer while the middle class has shriveled. A study he coauthored with the famed Princeton economist Anne Case highlights one particularly dire outcome: Mortality is actually increasing for middle-aged white Americans, due in no small part to overdoses and suicides—so-called “deaths of despair.” (Case also happens to be Deaton’s wife. More on that later.)

Deaton sat down with me after his speech. We talked about whether poor people are better off here or in low-income countries, the moral ambiguities of companies making money off of Medicaid-financed OxyContin prescriptions, which is the nicest conservative think tank in Washington, what is going on with white people and mortality, and the charms of former-President Obama. The transcript below has been edited for concision and clarity.

Read the whole thing.

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EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:53:42pm

re: #33 allegro

Trump’s incompetence and mental problems were policy issues, IMO.

That works for me. I took a quick look at the referenced study, which talks about how Trump’s ads were more conventional compare and contrast ads on policy points.

Such ads coming from an incorrigible liar like Trump are truly meaningless.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 11, 2017 • 7:57:06pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

It didn’t wear a condom either.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:01:46pm

Cuz I know where the cops hang out, maybe 20 years in state will change your mind…

In State

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:02:39pm

Nothing unusual happening…

“… The suspect, Jason Kendall, told police he was walking past the restaurant on what he called “a warrior’s path” when he spotted a woman inside the building.

Kendall said he believed the woman was being held as a slave because of the type of shirt she was wearing. He said the shirt was a signal and it was “what Arabs do.”

According to Kendall, he walked into the restaurant, told the woman she was “free to leave,” and started yelling at an employee who Kendall claimed looked like Saddam Hussein.

Officers said Kendall yelled several hateful and explicit statements at the employee, including “go back to your country terrorist” and “get out of America (expletive).”

Employees asked Kendall to leave, but he returned five minutes later with a pipe he dubbed his “horn of Gabriel” and a plastic object that he called an “evil totem.” …”

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EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:04:16pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

Jason Kendall is auditioning for a job in the Trump administration. Nothing to see here.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:08:15pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:08:27pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

About that study from the previous thread showing that Clinton’s campaign was devoid of policy in a way that campaigns in the previous 4 elections were not, the title and top level message were misleading.

It should have been: Trump as a candidate was devoid of policy positions in a way that candidates in the previous 4 elections were not.

IMO Clinton had no choice except going after Trump on the non-policy stuff because Trump is a total bullshitter whose ‘policy positions’ are whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear in that moment.

And he is still winging it as president. The only identifiable policy so far is tear it down, and stop brown people. And that’s all a mess.

Really everything Clinton was criticized for campaigning on and saying about Trump is true and is the exact shit everyone should have been worried about and are now finding out why.

People wanted her policy on things like jobs. Simply it was all along: Don’t vote for Trump, here is why. You will not get jobs, he’s incapable, don’t buy the great businessman bullshit.

Actually her whole campaign had one very simple solid policy that outweighed everything by it’s importance. Don’t vote for Trump. Bad shit will happen.

The honest truth wasn’t good enough. She needed rainbows and unicorns.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:15:12pm
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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:18:28pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Those crazy rabid Bernie Sanders supporters we saw posting crazy fake stories and conspiracy theories during the campaign, many of which were picked up and circulated by people like Shaun King? A lot of them were probably Russian trolls.

The Bernie Sanders Campaign Faced A Fake News Tsunami. Where Did It Come From?

I ran across that article an hour ago or so, a position I’ve held forth here (there were a whole lot of rodent copulators acting on Sanders’s supporters).

While my own county went for Sanders in the caucuses, when it came down to the General Election I found absolutely no person who supported Sanders that did not vote for HIllary Clinton.

(This also adds to my belief that this phenomenon was largely Internet-driven, since we have almost no Internet service here.)

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:23:36pm

re: #43 FormerDirtDart

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His message might ring true if he offered one single example of liberal “too-clever-by-half social engineering.” All his examples are of conservative messaging fails followed by the completely unsupported raw assertion that the left has been doing the same thing.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:26:06pm

I was going to make this comment downstairs, but decided to drop it in the new one.

If nursing homes lose a fair amount of their funds from the GOPDonTCare Act, what’s going to happen to all those old folks? Let me share some observations from China, where there is no mature nursing home system.

Losing those federal funds will require nursing homes to raise prices, which in turn will either mean families will need to take granny in or make some big sacrifices to pay for her care.

China has had a one-child policy since 1979. Those kids are now in their mid-30s and are facing the 4-2-1 problem: one child, two parents, four grandparents. In addition to caring for raising their own child, many Chinese now also have to care for their aging parents and often grandparent, many of whom have no pension or very small pensions. Even in families with more than one child (there are many loopholes, trust me), caring for an elder who needs living assistance is a large burden for couples who are already struggling to make ends meet. In other words, lack of an effective elder care system in China places a heavy burden on the lower and middle classes. The government is aware of the economic problems facing these families, and the revised “two-child” policy is an attempt to ameliorate the situation for the future.

The USA doesn’t have the same demographic problems as China, but in many ways Social Security and Medicare have enabled lower and middle class families to maintain, or even improve their economic status. Gutting that system will in turn require families to take on sizable expenses, and could even impoverish upper middle class families who have elders with severe medical issues, regardless of where granny ends up living.

IOW, the poor get poorer. When SS and Medicare were created lo these many years ago, economists and politicians understood the broader picture. Providing some basic safety net for older people benefits everyone in society, not just the oldsters and their families. It enables and ensures prosperity. I haven’t done the necessary research, but I’m sure entire treatises have been written analyzing the longterm benefits of Social Security and Medicare (and Medicaid) to the US economy.

But the Ryan plan, with its short-sighted goal of reducing costs for the insurers and the upper classes will totally fuck that up. People with oldsters needing nursing home care will forgo buying a new car, or a new house, or a vacay to DIsneyworld. Some old folks will be left with no care at all, leading to even more expensive medical emergencies. Or they’ll just die and decrease the surplus population. In the end, the economy will slow down and the already slow progress of the poor into the middle classes will come to a halt.

China knows this grim reality. It seems the GOP doesn’t.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:27:09pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

His message might ring true if he offered one single example of liberal “too-clever-by-half social engineering.” All his examples are of conservative messaging fails followed by the completely unsupported raw assertion that the left has been doing the same thing.

Geez, even my wife the former Libertarian Party member is a library director. (She got better.) I’d like to get a sticker for my car that says “Taxes are the price of civilisation.” Bumper sticker messaging does work (with the right message).

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:33:36pm

re: #46 wheat-dogg

On nursing homes:

I suspect I might face that problem in the future, and my fixed income of around $20,000 isn’t going to help me (or my mother). While my mother is still active at seventy-six (and still doing the musician thing at O’Hare), I suspect she cannot go on forever. My step-father is already quite ill and gets support from my step-brother.

Medicare/Social Security/Medicaid would be what would help my mother and me - and the GOP is trying to kill that off. (Thank you for your military service, Mrs. Anymouse’s mother, die quickly.)

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:33:50pm

re: #46 wheat-dogg

1920’s Americans know it as well. Problem is, they aren’t around to talk about it.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:40:30pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

I honestly think when lefties say liberals are “too clever by half” what they really mean is that Democrats took stands fighting for things like transgender equality and against things like black people dying in police custody. They’re upset that we acknowledged the fact that identity unfairly impacts individual reality in America instead of just focusing on enacting utopian socialist economic policy.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:41:22pm

re: #49 prairiefire

1920’s Americans know it as well. Problem is, they aren’t around to talk about it.

Indeed. That’s also the problem with the anti-vax movement. People who had to live through epidemics of measles, whooping cough and polio could tell anti-vax idiots what a difference vaccines have made, and what no vaccines could mean.

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:42:33pm

re: #51 wheat-dogg

Absolutely. Let some of those anti-vax moms live through a polio summer. Smh

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:44:14pm

re: #52 prairiefire

Absolutely. Let some of those anti-van moms live through a polio summer. Smh

I’m old enough to remember. Our neighbor got it, and was paralyzed, and in a wheelchair the rest of his days. He had traveled around the world on business before, and afterwards the family lifestyle (3 young children) was quite restricted.

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Moebym  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:47:34pm

Senator Dean Heller held a town-hall/Q&A in a 55+ gated community in the largely Republican area where I live. It seems like he didn’t want just any of his constituents to show up and possibly ask him tough questions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:48:17pm

re: #54 Moebym

Coward.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:48:44pm

re: #53 retired cynic

I’m old enough to remember. Our neighbor got it, and was paralyzed, and in a wheelchair the rest of his days. He had traveled around the world on business before, and afterwards the family lifestyle (3 young children) was quite restricted.

The last confirmed native polio case in the USA occurred when I was three years old, sixteen miles away from my home. As my mother tells it, the county went wild trying to get polio vaccinations.

My mother herself developed polio, and was given Sister Kenny’s then-new treatment - she was able to overcome the disease with no damage (hence she could join the Navy later).

My wife’s mother died from post-polio syndrome. She spent her life in a wheelchair.

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Teukka  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:51:02pm

I’m old enough to remember an outbreak which required me to take a polio shot.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:53:09pm

re: #57 Teukka

I’m old enough to remember an outbreak which required me to take a polio shot.

Polio was still enough of a concern that when I was in the Navy in the Eighties, I was required to take the oral polio vaccine, because they could not find a record for me being vaccinated. (I am not sure how I got past medical screening in the Seventies.)

They tell you it tastes like bubble gum: That might be true if the bubble gum is flavoured with all sorts of things I’ve never had in bubble gum.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:54:42pm

re: #58 Anymouse

I had the sugar cube.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:55:26pm

re: #35 Eric The Fruit Bat

Y’all should watch the related video about a child’s life in Owsley County, KY.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:55:53pm

re: #59 retired cynic

I had the sugar cube.

I’m guessing the Navy didn’t do sugar cubes because the vaccine wasn’t as easy to store (whereas the OPV vials are pretty simple to stack in a hold someplace).

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Moebym  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:55:59pm

re: #46 wheat-dogg

In 2009, years before the One Child Policy was revised to a two-child policy, the Chinese government allowed a couple who each were their parents’ only children to have more than one child, thereby relieving some of the burden.

re: #59 retired cynic

I had the sugar cube.

I recall ingesting an oral polio vaccine when I received my childhood vaccinations in the early 90s.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2017 • 8:58:34pm

SNL just had a great Trump routine going on with a dog getting to speak for the first time through computers and the doggie is rattling on like a Trump loving wingnut. And the pooch is ripping Scarlett Johansson (the dogs owner and researcher) as a Trump supporter getting to say whatever cruel stuff has been on their (dog’s) mind all those years. Really a creative way to go after Trump supporters.

Gonna have to put up the video when it becomes available.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:01:56pm

re: #35 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Atlantic: Is It Better to Be Poor in Bangladesh or the Mississippi Delta?

Read the whole thing.

I found this interesting, and it fits right in with my experience:

Lowrey: Have you spent a lot of time in Kentucky or West Virginia or rural Nebraska?

Deaton: No, but I spent five weeks every summer in Montana. And that’s been an eye-opener.

You get these people who are really quite poor, in many cases, who are very right-wing. They’re very anti-government and if you talk to them about why they’re anti-government, you get pretty persuaded pretty quickly. That wolf is eating my cow and I need to get a bureaucrat on the line before I’m allowed to shoot it! And that’s my year’s income!

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electrotek  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:02:16pm

lol

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:07:41pm
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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:08:09pm

re: #65 electrotek

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lol

I don’t find that funny. I find it unbelievably upsetting. Those are the people whose minds are like steel traps: shut.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:10:41pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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electrotek  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:12:48pm

re: #67 retired cynic

I don’t find that funny. I find it unbelievably upsetting. Those are the people whose minds are like steel traps: shut.

I’m at the point where I can’t help but to laugh at the stupidity of Trump supporters that spew such paranoid tripe like that.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:14:42pm

re: #62 Moebym

In 2009, years before the One Child Policy was revised to a two-child policy, the Chinese government allowed a couple who each were their parents’ only children to have more than one child, thereby relieving some of the burden.

Yes, I am aware of that change. But, in fact most families have chosen to have only one child, even with the more liberal policy enacted this year. The government is now worried enough to offer people financial incentives to have more kids.

Free public education here ends with the 9th grade. Parents have to pay for senior high tuition and university, if the kid passes the national entrance examination. Plus, it’s expected that parents of boys must provide him and his future wife a house. So young couples have all these factors in mind when considering an extra child.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:15:11pm

re: #69 electrotek

I’m at the point where I can’t help but to laugh at the stupidity of Trump supporters that spew such paranoid tripe like that.

I wasn’t criticizing you. I just so disheartening.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:15:45pm

re: #65 electrotek

Banned Sharia? Didn’t hear about that one.

Does that mean we can get the Bible out of our science classes now? I’m all in.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:17:16pm

re: #69 electrotek

I’m at the point where I can’t help but to laugh at the stupidity of Trump supporters that spew such paranoid tripe like that.

Propaganda’s a helluva drug. Not stupid: Brainwashed.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:25:13pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:25:36pm
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Sherlock Hound  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:27:18pm

re: #51 wheat-dogg

Indeed. That’s also the problem with the anti-vax movement. People who had to live through epidemics of measles, whooping cough and polio could tell anti-vax idiots what a difference vaccines have made, and what no vaccines could mean.

I always thought that was a problem with the Depression Generation:. They underestimated how bad things were because they were children, and their parents were doing the work of the house and the work of worrying for their families.

We don’t hear of this as much now, but when I was in my 20’s in the 1980’s, I used to hear from people who would wish that my generation would have another Great Depression just to teach us some responsibility. You may have heard just a faint echo of this in 2008 amongst the paleoconservatives.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:31:08pm
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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:31:13pm

re: #76 Sherlock Hound

My husband and my parents were all children during the great depression, and my grandparents and great grandmother who raised me to a great extent NEVER expressed that sort of wish. It branded all of their lives in ways that showed every day.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:31:31pm

Science funny:

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:37:07pm

re: #76 Sherlock Hound

I always thought that was a problem with the Depression Generation:. They underestimated how bad things were because they were children, and their parents were doing the work of the house and the work of worrying for their families.

We don’t hear of this as much now, but when I was in my 20’s in the 1980’s, I used to hear from people who would wish that my generation would have another Great Depression just to teach us some responsibility. You may have heard just a faint echo of this in 2008 amongst the paleoconservatives.

Anyone born after, say. 1940 or so, is in many ways spoiled. They are often clueless about how much easier their lives have been compared to the previous generations’ lives. Now, we can expect our babies to live long enough to enter school and our parents to have fruitful and independent lives after retirement. Epidemics of dangerous diseases are unlikely. It’s possible to drive from coast to coast on paved roads, and stay in a variety of motels or hotels regardless of your skin color, and eat food that won’t make you sick later. The drinking water is safe almost everywhere (except Flint, for ex.)

Taking all the government programs that made all this possible will not create a population that is suddenly self-sufficient and personally responsible. It will only create a larger income gap between the top and the bottom, and left unchecked could lead to a violent revolution. It’s happened before. Just not here.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:38:32pm

re: #78 retired cynic

My husband and my parents were all children during the great depression, and my grandparents and great grandmother who raised me to a great extent NEVER expressed that sort of wish. It branded all of their lives in ways that showed every day.

The late Don Murray of the Boston Globe was of the same bent. He told some really awful stories about growing up in those times. And he was one of the better-off persons!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:40:58pm

re: #78 retired cynic

My husband and my parents were all children during the great depression, and my grandparents and great grandmother who raised me to a great extent NEVER expressed that sort of wish. It branded all of their lives in ways that showed every day.

My folks were born in 1914. They had no desire to return to those times. My parents’ families made it through the Depression OK, but Dad had to quit college after two years and Mom went to work beginning age 16. She never finished high school.

So, yeah, another Great Depression is not a great idea. tyvm

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:43:02pm

Cable box already says 12:42am.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:46:49pm

re: #81 Sherlock Hound

The late Don Murray of the Boston Globe was of the same bent. He told some really awful stories about growing up in those times. And he was one of the better-off persons!

My mother was very bright. She graduated from high school at 16 and my grandparents were determined that she should be the first to be able to go to college. She loved it, but when they dropped her off after a weekend at home, she realized they had 25 cents to live on, and decided she could not do that to them. If they were living on 25 cents, God knows what my great grandmother was living on. Probably tea. She dropped out, came home and got a secretarial job to help support the family.

My grandfather had a business partner, and the business (small town department store) failed, as so many did. The partner took bankruptcy, and dumped the debts on my grandfather, with a tiny peach orchard in settlement. My mother and her parents worked like slaves doing all of the work on the orchard, finally picking, packing and getting all the peaches to the train for shipment. They did not sell for enough to pay for the shipping. After that, they just buckled down for many years, refusing to take bankruptcy, and finally paid off everything. I don’t know how they lived, but it branded them for life.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:47:34pm

re: #82 wheat-dogg

My folks were born in 1914. They had no desire to return to those times. My parents’ families made it through the Depression OK, but Dad had to quit college after two years and Mom went to work beginning age 16. She never finished high school.

So, yeah, another Great Depression is not a great idea. tyvm

My parents were born in 1938 and 1940 - both attended college (my father for Agricultural Science and my mother for Clinical Psychology - the last funded by survivor’s benefits for military spouses).

College was also considerably less expensive compared to income compared to today: My sister started college and dropped out due to cost, I’ve never been. Of my five first cousins, only one went to college (and now she is a RWNJ complaining why her taxes should pay for poor takers: Never mind her own family benefited from such things as food stamps).

So of the seven people in my family’s generation, one has a college degree and she’s a RWNJ.

She is also a really hateful person. Long story why she won’t associate with me any more, but I’m not sure I want to associate with her anyway.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:48:15pm

I’m still so stuffed up with a head cold. No meds are working.

Fitful sleep ahead so I better get it started.

‘night.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:48:44pm

re: #83 prairiefire

Cable box already says 12:42am.

Nixie clock reads 22:48.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:56:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:58:24pm
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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:59:17pm

Polio was not the worst either: Smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people. Anti-vaccine nuts who claim catching a disease over getting a vaccine because it’s somehow more “natural” I’m guessing really wouldn’t be interested in exposing their children to that.
Smallpox (goes to Wikipedia, with modern photographs of the disease)

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 9:59:37pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

I notice we don’t see President Obama wearing a lot of ties, these days!

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:05:09pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

A pox on the XXII Amendment.

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:09:41pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

He’s my 5th cousin, if I can find an “in” I will. Unification, bitches.

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:12:25pm

I watched the moon rise tonight on my skis at the head of Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. It was marvelous.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:13:54pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

I watched the moon rise tonight on my skis at the head of Big Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. It was marvelous.

What a wonderful memory to have!

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:14:04pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

The fact that the screaming loon Alex Jones has slithered his snake oil ass into the mainstream makes me want to upchuck blood.

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:17:50pm

re: #95 retired cynic

What a wonderful memory to have!

The snow was pretty much bulletproof on the descent, lots of loud crunching sounds down below. I still dazzled those watching on the lift with plenty of backwards telemark skiing, and a few dirty jokes for the lifties too. 😊

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:19:11pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:24:51pm

“… President Donald Trump reached out through a secretary to Manhattan’s top prosecutor two days before he was fired by the Justice Department, but the two men never spoke.

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara (buh-RAH’-ruh) reported the call to the Justice Department and it was agreed he shouldn’t speak directly to Trump. That’s the latest twist in the unusual dynamic between Trump and the high-profile prosecutor who’s made public corruption a favorite quest. …”

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fern01  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:28:22pm

Why does trump hold meetings at Golf courses instead of the White House?

Why he charges himself rent for the room and overpriced charges for the food. Any other President doing this sort of stuff wold be instantly impeached.

And the media apologizes for saying he was playing golf when he was having a meeting!
Such great supporters of democracy the faint hearted media.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:29:18pm

re: #100 fern01

Why does trump hold meetings at Golf courses instead of the White House?

Why he charges himself rent for the room and overpriced charges for the food. Any other President doing this sort of stuff wold be instantly impeached.

And the media apologizes for saying he was playing golf when he was having a meeting!
Such great supporters of democracy the faint hearted media.

IOKIYAR

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fern01  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:35:39pm

re: #101 Anymouse

IOKIYAR

That really doesn’t cover it. The GOP is using this insanity to attack virtually every person on the planet. It is an absolute conflict of interest that everyone except trump would be fired for anything similar.

The media only seems to fight back when trump attacks them. Most useless media in the history of the US.

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JordanRules  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:39:44pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:45:22pm
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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:46:44pm

re: #102 fern01

That really doesn’t cover it. The GOP is using this insanity to attack virtually every person on the planet. It is an absolute conflict of interest that everyone except trump would be fired for anything similar.

The media only seems to fight back when trump attacks them. Most useless media in the history of the US.

While I cannot be certain, I’m guessing there is another Bob Woodward out there who does care and is thinking “Pulitzer Prize.”

It was the traffic reporter for the North Bergen (NJ) Record that broke the so-called Bridgegate scandal, not something like the New York Times or NBC.

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JordanRules  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:47:15pm

More books for everyone!!

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:49:59pm
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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 10:59:39pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

My wife’s ex-hub sells Nixie tube clocks.
nixietube.info

Pictured just down from the top on the right is a clock he made for me out of a 1948 GE DC ammeter.

I’ll have to go punch one of the buttons to advance the clock due to Daylight Saving Time. (I’m all for getting rid of it, as are many rural people. Something something agriculture doesn’t follow a clock it follows the sun.)

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Cheechako  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:10:53pm

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prairiefire  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:15:55pm

re: #109 Cheechako

60 minutes.

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JordanRules  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:16:17pm

re: #109 Cheechako

That cute bird looks like a Russian spy.

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:25:48pm

re: #110 prairiefire

60 minutes.

Well, my clocks are advanced (sigh). It’s not actually time to do that yet in Mythical Mountain Time Zone, but since I was reminded here, it’s done.

I probably wouldn’t have figured it out for a couple weeks if someone hadn’t mentioned it so, thanks I guess?

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:26:00pm

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:27:47pm

Katie Mack weighs in on one example of what the Clean Air Act does (I’m guessing the nihilists in the GOP don’t really care):

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JordanRules  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:33:06pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:33:12pm

DST won’t begin here in Europe until 26 March - still got a couple of weeks.

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JordanRules  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:38:15pm

Watch Herbie Hancock Rock Out on an Early Synthesizer on Sesame Street (1983)
openculture.com

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Anymouse  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:39:02pm

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

DST won’t begin here in Europe until 26 March - still got a couple of weeks.

I’m all for DST dying in a fire.

The entire argument for DST (it saves energy and allows people more daylight in the evening) is nonsense, since people then use that energy in the morning.

‘Only a white man would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket and sew it to the bottom of a blanket and have a longer blanket.’

republicoflakotah.com

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2017 • 11:49:10pm

Looking at this, I’m hoping that Warner Bros./DC may have finally gotten it right.

Wonder Woman - Official Origin Trailer - Warner Bros. UK

Trailer looks great……let’s hope the rest of the film lives up to it.

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Cheechako  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:00:47am

re: #118 Anymouse

I’m all for DST dying in a fire.

The entire argument for DST (it saves energy and allows people more daylight in the evening) is nonsense, since people then use that energy in the morning.

republicoflakotah.com

I’d vote to shift the time once by a half hour and call the situation fixed for all time.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:05:37am

re: #120 Cheechako

I’d vote to shift the time once by a half hour and call the situation fixed for all time.

IIRC, last year, Turkey went to year-round DST. I think Russia does it as well. There’s a few other countries that do it too. The idea of doing that comes up here in the Czech Republic’s parliament every couple of years as well, but it’s never gone beyond the discussion stage.

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Cheechako  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:07:52am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

IIRC Hugo Chevez changed the time in Chile by one half hour just because he was an a$$hole.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:09:57am

re: #122 Cheechako

IIRC Hugo Chevez changed the time in Chile by one half hour just because he was an a$$hole.

Venezuela

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Cheechako  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:11:00am

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Thanks. Shows the ultimate power of a dictator.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:12:57am

re: #120 Cheechako

I’d vote to shift the time once by a half hour and call the situation fixed for all time.

You’re still left with the problem that chickens and cattle don’t pay much attention to clocks (nor does corn or wheat).

I’m fine for just leaving clocks on standard time myself.

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Cheechako  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:14:08am

re: #125 Anymouse

You’re still left with the problem that chickens and cattle don’t pay much attention to clocks (nor does corn or wheat).

I’m fine for just leaving clocks on standard time myself.

I agree. Either way the time stays the same year round.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:17:02am

re: #118 Anymouse

I’m all for DST dying in a fire.

The entire argument for DST (it saves energy and allows people more daylight in the evening) is nonsense, since people then use that energy in the morning.

republicoflakotah.com

Chyyynaahh does not observe DST or even time zones. The entire country is UTC+8, despite western Xinjiang sharing the same longitudes as India (UTC+5.5) and Heilongjiang as the Koreas (UTC+9). I’m not sure of the logic, but China is weird that way. Probably Mao tweeted it early one morning in 1950 and it became national policy.

So, if y’all don’t mind, please package up all that daylight you’re saving and send it to me. Then I can sell it online and make a bundle here!

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:17:26am

re: #126 Cheechako

I agree. Either way the time stays the same year round.

In the meantime, the cat (who is also on standard time) is beating us up - “where’s my insulin shot?”

Clawed me, ran to the refrigerator.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:21:04am

re: #127 wheat-dogg

Chyyynaahh does not observe DST or even time zones. The entire country is UTC+8, despite western Xinjiang sharing the same longitudes as India (UTC+5.5) and Heilongjiang as the Koreas (UTC+9). I’m not sure of the logic, but China is weird that way. Probably Mao tweeted it early one morning in 1950 and it became national policy.

So, if y’all don’t mind, please package up all that daylight you’re saving and send it to me. Then I can sell it online and make a bundle here!

The Atlantic did an article on that in 2013, noting during the Qing Dynasty there were five time zones in China.

theatlantic.com

China is roughly the same distance from east to west as the continental USA, which explains the problem in the west of China when the whole country uses Beijing time.

They note there are advocates in the USA that want to divide the nation into two time zones (which would make the same troubles for the USA that China has).

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:21:37am

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

Looking at this, I’m hoping that Warner Bros./DC may have finally gotten it right.

[Embedded content]

Trailer looks great……let’s hope the rest of the film lives up to it.

It shows promise. Gal Gadot seems well suited to the role, despite some fans’ considerable misgivings. Chris Pine gets to play Chris Pine/James T. Kirk again, so that’s OK, too. If they can manage not to introduce extra superheroes and extraneous villains to keep the plot straightforward, it should be fine.

The Etta Candy role seems to be faithful to the 1940s character. Just enough comic relief without being as silly (or as fat-shaming) as the original.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:23:12am

re: #125 Anymouse

You’re still left with the problem that chickens and cattle don’t pay much attention to clocks (nor does corn or wheat).

I’m fine for just leaving clocks on standard time myself.

The Earth’s rotation* also doesn’t care.

*Or the Sun’s orbit, depending on which cosmology you accept.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:27:23am

re: #129 Anymouse

China is roughly the same distance from east to west as the continental USA, which explains the problem in the west of China when the whole country uses Beijing time.

You can imagine my amusement when people in one country ask me, “What’s the weather like (in the other country)?”

Even more amusing: sometimes a Chinese student will ask me during the summer if I have to bring winter clothes when I visit the States.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:30:38am

Back to the coming American apocalypse:

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:32:20am

re: #132 wheat-dogg

You can imagine my amusement when people in one country ask me, “What’s the weather like (in the other country)?”

Even more amusing: sometimes a Chinese student will ask me during the summer if I have to bring winter clothes when I visit the States.

LOL.

Nebraska is unique with its time zones. Cherry County (the huge county in the north of the state) is divided between Central and Mountain Time Zones. The county seat (Valentine) is in Central Time Zone but about half the county is in Mountain Time Zone.

(Out here in the Panhandle we’re all in Mountain Time Zone, since regional business is more with Cheyenne and Denver and less with Omaha.)

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Cheechako  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:32:29am

re: #129 Anymouse

Not many years ago Alaska had three time zones. One for the Aleutians, one for Anchorage/Fairbanks, and a third for the SE Panhandle. All an hour apart. With the Capitol in SE Alaska the different time zones created multiple problems. The State finally agreed to go to one zone…Alaska Time. The Alaska zone was selected to be one hour later than Pacific time to make it easier for Alaska businesses to work with folks in Seattle.

Every year year or so a bill shows up in the Legislature to shift Alaska to the Pacific Time Zone. The bill never makes it out of committee.

With the long daylight in summer and very short days in the winter it doesn’t make much sense to change. In the winter up here the kids go to school in the dark and come home in the dark. Not much of a safety reason for changing.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:51:06am

Trump’s administration seeks to throw out a case brought by twenty-one children arguing the government is violating their Constitutional rights by not addressing climate change.
washingtonpost.com

The landmark lawsuit was originally filed during the Obama administration. The 21 plaintiffs, now between the ages of 9 and 20, claim the federal government has consistently engaged in activity that promotes fossil fuel production and greenhouse gas emissions, thereby worsening climate change. They argue this violates their constitutional right to life, liberty and property, as well the public trust doctrine, while holds that the government is responsible for the preservation of certain vital resources — in this case, a healthy climate system — for public use.

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:51:23am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:54:18am

The spat between The Netherlands and Turkey is now at risk of becoming a serious international matter.

The escalating dispute between NATO allies Turkey and the Netherlands hit a new low Sunday, with a Turkish minister escorted out of the country less than a day after Turkey’s foreign minister was denied entry, prompting President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to call the Dutch “Nazi remnants.”

The diplomatic clash was over plans by Turkish government officials to campaign in the Netherlands for a referendum back home. Family and Social Policies Minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya had arrived in the country from Germany but was prevented from entering Turkey’s diplomatic compound in Rotterdam, setting up a standoff with armed police. She was later sent under escort back to Germany.

In the evening, a Turkish foreign ministry official who spoke on customary anonymity said the Dutch Embassy in Ankara and its consulate in Istanbul were closed off because of security reasons.

The official said entries and exits were closed to the two locations. Similar precautions were taken at the Dutch charge d’affaires’ house and the ambassador’s residence.

The Turkish foreign ministry also said that it doesn’t want to see the Dutch ambassador, who is out of the country, return to his post for some time because of the increasingly divisive dispute with the Netherlands.

haaretz.com

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:03:06am

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

Could this end up as a NATO or an EU matter?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:04:52am

re: #139 wheat-dogg

Could this end up as a NATO or an EU matter?

Certainly an EU matter; the EU is so far taking the side of The Netherlands.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:06:36am

I’m guessing any investigation into Russian meddling in the US election is going to be quickly derailed by the GOP:

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:08:35am

re: #139 wheat-dogg

Could this end up as a NATO or an EU matter?

It’s not really a NATO matter (thought the Atlantic Alliance could certainly discuss it or try to work out a solution between the two countries).

A shooting war seems quite unlikely between Turkey and The Netherlands (and if there was one, NATO would not take sides, see also Greece and Turkey over Cypress).

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:17:47am

Conservatives eating their own.
Sarah Palin Blasts GOP Health Care Plan as “Socialism”
huffingtonpost.com

More at Huffington Post:

In a strident interview Saturday with the conservative news outlet Breitbart, she also ripped the “quasi-reformed” proposal as a “RINO plan” — “Republican in name only.”

She said she expected Donald Trump to “step in and fix it.”

“Remember this is government-controlled healthcare, the system that requires enrollment in an unaffordable, unsustainable, unwanted, unconstitutional continuation of government-run medicine,” the former Alaska governor and one-time vice presidential candidate told Breitbart. “Even in this new quasi-reformed proposal, there is still an aspect of socialism. That’s the whole premise here.”

Palin’s vociferous opposition underscores the problem the Republicans face in getting their plan off the ground. Not only do they face millions of furious voters terrified of losing insurance under Obamacare, but they must also grapple with stiff opposition from the extreme right who see the program as too soft in granting too much insurance aid to struggling Americans with too many orders.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:27:54am

re: #143 Anymouse

Sarah is barking up the wrong tree if she expects Trump to fix anything. He has the attention span of a gnat, and health insurance is too complex for him to comprehend.

The AHCA is socialism. That’s a new one.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:31:37am

re: #144 wheat-dogg

Sarah is barking up the wrong tree if she expects Trump to fix anything. He has the attention span of a gnat, and health insurance is too complex for him to comprehend.

The AHCA is socialism. That’s a new one.

Health insurance is too complex for Sarah Palin to comprehend as well. (That, and she admitted on FOX that she takes her family across the border to Yukon to avail herself of Canada’s single-payer system.)

If it was socialism, we’d seize the means of production. Failing that, we’d at least get insurance companies out of it.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:33:06am

Yeah, Rep. King. That doesn’t sound authoritarian at all (especially on the heels of yesterday in Arizona at a rally where attendees and Republican politicians were calling for a genocide of liberals).

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:35:26am

Note to the Pacific Coast: Y’all go on Daylight Saving Time in about half-an-hour. Too bad we can’t just jump to Election Day 2018.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:39:21am

Sean Hannity goes on a Twitter rant against Chaz Bono after Mr. Bono called him a fascist and unAmerican (with tweets):
addictinginfo.org

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:44:11am

Donald Trump Specials
To serve full term
Evens
To leave office via impeachment or resignation before end of 1st term
4/5
NOT to be re-elected as President in 2020
1/2
To visit Russia before the end of 2017
6/4
To win 2017 Nobel Peace Prize
20/1

Ladbrokes betting house in the UK today. Note they are giving even for the odds he will serve a full term.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:56:47am

A Trump campaign manager who is a massage therapist, appointed to the Department of Energy because the two jobs are related apparently, was fired after calling for genocide of Muslims (and of course, calling the Obamas Muslims) on Twitter.

greentechmedia.com

buzzfeed.com (more at Buzzfeed)

A department spokesperson told BuzzFeed News his employment at the agency ended on Friday.

According to two employees at the nuclear weapons agency, who asked to remain anonymous, Sid Bowdidge, 60, began working at the department following President Trump’s inauguration. An internal department database identified the New Hampshire Trump campaign worker as “assistant to the secretary,” a nebulous title given to political appointees at varied levels of responsibility.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:03:06am

re: #150 Anymouse

Trump only hires the best people, the best!

He promised an end to cronyism, which means he’s done the direct opposite. Anyone who gave his campaign money or public support is eligible for a government job, regardless of their qualifications.

Did you read the ProPublica investigation into the 400-odd Trump loyalists now in executive branch jobs? It scares me, because those people have more loyalty to Trump than to the Constitution.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:06:22am

re: #151 wheat-dogg

Trump only hires the best people, the best!

He promised an end to cronyism, which means he’s done the direct opposite. Anyone who gave his campaign money or public support is eligible for a government job, regardless of their qualifications.

Did you read the ProPublica investigation into the 400-odd Trump loyalists now in executive branch jobs? It scares me, because those people have more loyalty to Trump than to the Constitution.

And he has Peter Thiel advising him.

I’m pretty sure the GOP in the House and Senate are having a real time deciding whether they are going to support power for themselves or the Constitution.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:19:35am

Trump wants to build a cemetery on one of his golf courses in New Jersey, overlooking the first hole.
washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:23:03am

re: #153 Anymouse

Private cemeteries strike me as kind of strange in 2017. If this was 1817 it would not be unusual. But now…?

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:26:17am

re: #154 freetoken

Private cemeteries strike me as kind of strange in 2017. If this was 1817 it would not be unusual. But now…?

We still have private cemeteries here, but there’s a whole lot of open space and not too many people.

Reading that Washingtom Post article is really strange as well. First a private deal, then changing it up repeatedly to include varying numbers of others so they can be buried next to Trump, then a mausoleum that would double as a wedding chapel LOLWAT?

Regrettably, as President, Donald Trump also has the option of being buried in Arlington National Cemetery with his bone-spurs and draft-dodging. (Most modern presidents have chosen to be buried on the grounds of their presidential library.)

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:31:16am

re: #155 Anymouse

Yes, out in the very empty open country, it might make sense to have a private cemetery on a farm or ranch.

But Trump is a big-city dude (who cons country-folk.) At least out here in California, a famous person is often cremated (an increasing likely choice).

Trump could, of course, be buried at any National Cemetery.

I suspect his desire is to build a shrine to himself. In the old days the very rich could be interred in magnificent structures.

Maybe Trump ought to get such a shrine designed? I can see it now… all marble, with statues of himself, the inside covered in frescos depicting his life story, and in the middle a large marble and gold final resting place, with a pure gold cover…

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:37:21am

re: #156 freetoken

Yes, out in the very empty open country, it might make sense to have a private cemetery on a farm or ranch.

But Trump is a big-city dude (who cons country-folk.) At least out here in California, a famous person is often cremated (an increasing likely choice).

Trump could, of course, be buried at any National Cemetery.

I suspect his desire is to build a shrine to himself. In the old days the very rich could be interred in magnificent structures.

Maybe Trump ought to get such a shrine designed? I can see it now… all marble, with statues of himself, the inside covered in frescos depicting his life story, and in the middle a large marble and gold final resting place, with a pure gold cover…

… as long as there’s no hieroglyphics, ‘cause that would be too much.

Trumpankhamun.

***shudders***

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:44:41am

re: #157 Single-handed sailor

… as long as there’s no hieroglyphics, ‘cause that would be too much.

Trumpankhamun.

***shudders***

Graffiti target for Bansky.

As noted in the Post article above, one idea he floated was a combination mausoleum/wedding chapel, presumably so you could be married in a windowless room in the august presence of Donald Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2017 • 3:52:47am

re: #154 freetoken

Private cemeteries strike me as kind of strange in 2017. If this was 1817 it would not be unusual. But now…?

Except in Texas……

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:00:53am

I wasn’t aware that diplomatic immunity extended to the grave. And what State Department? They’re missing in action.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:12:39am

re: #156 freetoken

Yes, out in the very empty open country, it might make sense to have a private cemetery on a farm or ranch.

But Trump is a big-city dude (who cons country-folk.) At least out here in California, a famous person is often cremated (an increasing likely choice).

Trump could, of course, be buried at any National Cemetery.

I suspect his desire is to build a shrine to himself. In the old days the very rich could be interred in magnificent structures.

Maybe Trump ought to get such a shrine designed? I can see it now… all marble, with statues of himself, the inside covered in frescos depicting his life story, and in the middle a large marble and gold final resting place, with a pure gold cover…

I figure he’d go for something like this:

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:16:05am

Well, my village owns the means of cemetery production (the town owns the cemetery).

As such, if you live here, you get a place to be plunked when you plunk for the last time.

If you don’t live here, then you can buy a cemetery plot (but they are pretty inexpensive).

You get to lie on Rose Hill and look down from the Sandhills over the water tower, village, cornfields, and cattle pasture.

As a former Navy seaman, I could choose to be pitched off a fiddleboard at sea (as well as my wife), but you have to pay to get to the coast first.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:17:19am

re: #157 Single-handed sailor

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I was going to suggest a pyramid…

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:19:47am

re: #163 freetoken

Yeah, I was going to suggest a pyramid…

Dr. Carson can store some grain in it.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:20:33am

This is probably more Trump’s style:

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:33:04am

Reason Magazine (the libertarian outfit) is cheering the firing of the New York prosecutor.
reason.com

They claim he “overreached” by subpoenaing six commentators on an article for “hyperbolic” comments.

The comments were death threats to the attorney in regards to the bust of the operator of Silk Road.

(Link in the Reason article to the original court complaint about the commentators.)

The comments are quite vile and I am not going to put them here. I’m not a lawyer, but they sure look like threats to me.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:33:58am

re: #165 freetoken

This is probably more Trump’s style:

en.wikipedia.org

I’ve always figured Trump would go for something like this:

Needs more gold for Trump, though.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:39:30am

Joe Walsh outrage mode (again):

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:39:32am

The section of the Lubbock cemetery where I plan to be planted is on a bluff overlooking the Yellow House Canyon. It is probably the best view in that scenically bereft city, not that I’ll care much. As a similarly irrelevant bonus, Buddy Holly is just a few hundred feet away in the other direction.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:49:25am

re: #169 Shiplord Kirel

The section of the Lubbock cemetery where I plan to be planted is on a bluff overlooking the Yellow House Canyon. It is probably the best view in that scenically bereft city, not that I’ll care much. As a similarly irrelevant bonus, Buddy Holly is just a few hundred feet away in the other direction.

Buddy Holly & His Crickets “That’ll Be The Day” on The Ed Sullivan Show

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:51:33am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:56:44am

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

i hope Elon Musk creates a self-titled perfume

who would want to wear a perfume called Elon?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:57:58am

re: #47 Anymouse

Geez, even my wife the former Libertarian Party member is a library director. (She got better.) I’d like to get a sticker for my car that says “Taxes are the price of civilisation.” Bumper sticker messaging does work (with the right message).

And proper spelling is the price of civiliZation

please reset your bloody Anglophilic spelling!!!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 4:58:56am

re: #156 freetoken

I doubt Trump would know this poem.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:

And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

—Percy Bysse Shelley, 1818

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:01:58am

re: #174 wheat-dogg

I doubt Trump would know this poem.

I doubt it too; the only way he might some dim knowledge of it is he’d ever seen Watchmen and recognized the Ozymandias reference.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:03:06am

re: #170 Anymouse

You’re wanted.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:04:40am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And proper spelling is the price of civiliZation

please reset your bloody Anglophilic spelling!!!

The publisher I edit books for would object to the letter Z appearing willy-nilly in words. (:: You just can’t have Z roaming about, trampling all over British English. It’s not cricket or something.

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harlequinade  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:05:29am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

who would want to wear a perfume called Elon?

I’m so happy someone else thought that!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:06:10am

re: #82 wheat-dogg

My folks were born in 1914. They had no desire to return to those times. My parents’ families made it through the Depression OK, but Dad had to quit college after two years and Mom went to work beginning age 16. She never finished high school.

So, yeah, another Great Depression is not a great idea. tyvm

My dad, son of immigrant was born in Iowa in 1914, my mom in Cleveland in 1918. They both dreamed of attending college, but due to the Depression, never made it past high school.

Dad was an amateur author, had some of his short stories published in local anthologies. Mom wanted to study fashion design. But instead he went to work at a steel mill and she stayed home to raise six kids.

But that was the Golden Age of the workingman in the US: dad could afford a house with three bedrooms and two baths, a car and even to send his kids to college.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:06:24am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

You’re wanted.

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LOL.

When my wife and I returned to Regina Airport from Poland, I asked the parking lot attendant if we could have 50% off our parking fee because we only used half a space. The attendant snickered at that … no discount though.

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steve_davis  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:07:33am

re: #7 prairiefire

As far as pushing the girl back in her face, without turning around and looking, the dad could tell his hand was at face level and lowered his hand to her chest for the push.

that’s one where you just grab your kid and hold her in your lap, and THEN everybody feels all warm inside when you tell them you may have to cut the interview short. But of course, on live t.v., he probably panicked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:08:58am

re: #125 Anymouse

You’re still left with the problem that chickens and cattle don’t pay much attention to clocks (nor does corn or wheat).

I’m fine for just leaving clocks on standard time myself.

Arizona does that: last state in the nation AFAIK (Indiana used to but adopted DST at some point)

But just to complicate things, the Navajo Reservation, which extends into UT, CO and NM, changes to DST.

The Hopi reservation, which is completely surrounded by Navajo land, does not.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:14:50am

Sometimes the parody accounts on Twitter (like Stansaid Airport above) are quite funny.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:21:36am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Arizona does that. last state in the nation AFAIK (Indiana used to but adopted DST at some point)

But just to complicate things, the Navajo Reservation, which extends into UT, CO and NM, changes to DST.

The Hopi reservation, which is completely surrounded by Navajo land, does not.

I get confused just driving across Nebraska with our two time zones.

The general store here sells greeting cards with farming and cowboy themes by a local artist. I have a bunch of the same card I occasionally send out that has a picture of a fellow on a tractor with a fellow on a horse next to him, ploughing a field next to a sign that reads “Entering Mountain Time Zone.”

The fellow on the horse says “you don’t have to stop and change your watch every time you pass that sign.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:22:43am

re: #170 Anymouse

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What do you call a band from Sanaa that does Buddy Holly covers?

-The Yemeni Crickets!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:28:06am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do you call a band from Sanaa that does Buddy Holly covers?

-The Yemeni Crickets!!!

Gaaak. That took me about two minutes to get. Need moar brain cells.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:30:11am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always figured Trump would go for something like this:

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Needs more gold for Trump, though.

Victor Emmannuel Monument (officially, the Altare della Patria) Rome.

The monument, the largest in Rome, was controversial since its construction (in 1902) destroyed a large area of the Capitoline Hill with a Medieval neighbourhood for its sake. The monument itself is often regarded as conspicuous, pompous and too large……..
For its shape and conspicuous nature, Romans have given it a number of humorous and somewhat uncomplimentary nicknames, including la torta nuziale (“the wedding cake”) and la zuppa inglese (“English soup” dessert).

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:32:03am

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

Victor Emmannuel Monument (officially, the Altare della Patria) Rome.

It’s not the Taj Mahal though. Could go with something like that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:32:42am

re: #177 Anymouse

The publisher I edit books for would object to the letter Z appearing willy-nilly in words. (:: You just can’t have Z roaming about, trampling all over British English. It’s not cricket or something.

I do a lot of translations into British English and yes, I have to be careful not to spell like a brasen, crased American sealot!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:33:16am

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

Swallow what you’re drinking, make sure you’re seated

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Between her, White Jesus and White Santa, I’m pretty sure that she’ll “help” a whole lot of people with her Rightwing prescriptions for every day living. The key to Oprah’s success was that she had empathy for her guests. I can’t see Kelly convincing anyone that her Conservative behind gives a dang about regular folks’ problems.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:33:56am

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel

Victor Emmannuel Monument (officially, the Altare della Patria) Rome.

When I was in Rome for the first time several years ago, I was immediately struck by how utterly out of place it looked. It’s like someone just dropped it there, said, “Hey, looks great!” and split.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:35:11am

re: #186 Anymouse

Gaaak. That took me about two minutes to get. Need moar brain cells.

What do you call a band from Belgium that does Prince covers?

-The Violet Flems!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:35:12am

Back later; off to the shop.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:37:47am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Back later; off to the shop.

You obviously do not live in Germany! Nearest shop that is open here is the Shell Shop at the gas station. They are allowed to sell “travel requisites”, which the law defines as including beer, wine, schnapps, snacks and titty magazines. Without which I could not travel…

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:45:56am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

When I was in Rome for the first time several years, I was immediately struck by how utterly out of place it looked. It’s like someone just dropped it there, said, “Hey, looks great!” and split.

Even worse, the pile is enormous and glaringly white, so it can’t help but be seen from almost everywhere in the city.

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:47:19am

Rep. Steve King (R-Cantaloupes) is not the only Republican alleging with no evidence that President Obama is trying to undermine Trump with some secret deep-state cabal.

Apparently Mike Kelly (R-Pennsyltucky) is also offering that up, along with a side-helping of derp.
washingtonpost.com

President Obama himself said he was going to stay in Washington until his daughter graduated. I think we ought to pitch in to let him go someplace else, because he is only there for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to run a shadow government that is going to totally upset the new agenda. It just doesn’t make sense. And people sit back and they say to me, ‘My gosh, why can’t you guys get this done?’ I say, ‘We’ve got a new CEO, we’ve got some new heads in the different departments, but the same people are there, and they don’t believe that the new owners or the new managers should be running the ship.’

Reached by the Philadelphia Inquirer, Kelly’s office insisted the comments were supposed to be private and that he was merely reflecting Republicans’ frustration with the deep state. “Rep. Kelly delivered his remarks at a private meeting to an audience of fellow Republicans. He was sharing the frustration of everyone in the room over how they believe certain Obama administration holdovers within the federal bureaucracy are attempting to upset President Trump’s agenda.”

So, saying such things in private to supporters or whatnot is supposed to make it better?

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Anymouse  Mar 12, 2017 • 5:48:06am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do you call a band from Belgium that does Prince covers?

-The Violet Flems!

Is Depeche Mode a sort of French pie with ice cream then?

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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:00:52am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:02:48am

re: #168 Anymouse

Wow. How cold. How cruel that you think that parents of murdered children are seeking fame when they go after the company selling the product which murdered their children?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:03:14am

re: #196 Anymouse

These people just have to have someone else to blame for their misfortunes. The party of personal responsibility is anything but.

They accused Obama of being a tyrant and also lazy (golfing) for eight years. Now we have a president who acts like a tyrant and is damned lazy, and they still blame Obama. It makes no difference where the Obamas settled. The RWNJs would still find some way to blame Obama.

If BHO were that fcking powerful, he could have foiled the great plan to get Trump elected from the very beginning. But instead, he let Trump win just so he (Obama) could run a shadow government just to fuck with Trump. Makes perfect sense. //

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:04:38am

re: #198 jeffreyw

Oh, my, that looks good! I’d probably keel over from the massive cholesterol dose, but at least I’d enjoy it eating it.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:17:51am

We got another Darwin Award winner here who hates Obamacare, wants it repealed but wants to keep her Medicaid.

Good luck with that!

theguardian.com

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:21:07am

re: #100 fern01

The mainstream media is beyond useless. They’ve normalized all the madness and sleaziness associated with Trump’s regime. Where are the journalists doing hard hitting investigation into all the Trump scandals and mess ups? It feels as if Trump really is going to have to shoot someone in the middle of a busy street to get the media to go after him. No way a Democratic President could get away with all of this nonsense.

I also have to ask where are the Democratic politicians shouting at the top of their lungs about all the corruption in the Trump regime. If the situation was reverse, you know that every Republican pundit and politician would be sticking it to the Democratic President. Look how they treated No Drama Obama.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:21:52am

re: #202 Joe Bacon

I’m already weary of hearing from Trump voters who now realize what a horrible mistake they made. I suppose we need to keep up the anti-Trump pressure by highlighting their buyer’s remorse, but frankly, you hear one, you’ve heard them all.

“He said he’d do XYZ, but he hasn’t done any of it!”

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I cannot.  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:28:14am

re: #196 Anymouse

President Obama himself said he was going to stay in Washington until his daughter graduated. I think we ought to pitch in to let him go someplace else, because he is only there for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to run a shadow government that is going to totally upset the new agenda. It just doesn’t make sense.

Y’know, this is actually even dumber when you think about it.

He thinks that Obama has to be right next door to coordinate a shadow government…like there’s no such thing as Skype, email, phones, couriers…

But at the same time, he doesn’t think Trump has to be anywhere near the White House to coordinate the actual government…well, yeah, we know he actually isn’t doing that, but at the same time, that’s what he’s SUPPOSED to be doing.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:34:22am

Morning.

Here is the video from last evening’s SNL skit called “Translator” (Three scientists (Scarlett Johansson, Kyle Mooney, Mikey Day) receive a shock when they debut their invention, a machine that translates for pets).

I think the doggie has been left with the TV on during the day.

Iframe

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:34:35am

re: #196 Anymouse

Rep. Steve King (R-Cantaloupes) is not the only Republican alleging with no evidence that President Obama is trying to undermine Trump with some secret deep-state cabal.

Apparently Mike Kelly (R-Pennsyltucky) is also offering that up, along with a side-helping of derp.
washingtonpost.com

So, saying such things in private to supporters or whatnot is supposed to make it better?

See why I left Pennsylvania in 1982 and I never went back?

Pennsylvania is like a 5 on a dice cube. the 4 corners (Pittsburgh, Erie, Philly, Wilkes Barre/Scranton/Bethlehem/Allentown) are usually blue but once you leave them the rest of the state is redder than Mississippi.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:39:29am

On today’s agenda here in Los Angeles, I’m going to head to Chez Pazienza’s memorial service this afternoon at The Melrose Umbrella Company. If you’re in the area, sure would like to meet and greet fellow LGFers!

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 6:58:33am

America 2017:

Teaching of evolution, climate change at stake in Naples legislator Donalds’ bill

It never ends. Fundamentalists of all stripes continue to war against modernity.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:01:25am

Japan is slowly coming to terms with their own Trump-lite:

Japan PM Abe’s Support Slips Amid Questions Over Nationalist School Land Deal

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s support rate slipped six points to just under 56 percent, an opinion poll showed on Sunday, after weeks of questions in parliament about a murky land deal by a school operator to whom his wife had links.

Abe has said neither he nor his wife, Akie, was involved in the sweetheart deal for state-owned land purchased by Moritomo Gakuen, an educational body in the western city of Osaka that also runs a kindergarten promoting patriotism.

[…]

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:01:29am

re: #207 Joe Bacon

See why I left Pennsylvania in 1982 and I never went back?

Pennsylvania is like a 5 on a dice cube. the 4 corners (Pittsburgh, Erie, Philly, Wilkes Barre/Scranton/Bethlehem/Allentown) are usually blue but once you leave them the rest of the state is redder than Mississippi.

Like Michigan outside of the Detroit (& Ann Arbor)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:05:38am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Like Michigan outside of the Detroit (& Ann Arbor)

A lot of states are like that. It’s why right wingers try to claim they “represent” more of the country even though those blue counties like Wayne in your state or Allegheny in PA, or Fairfax in mine have tons more peple.

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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:05:40am

re: #201 wheat-dogg

Oh, my, that looks good! I’d probably keel over from the massive cholesterol dose, but at least I’d enjoy it eating it.

That’s a Big Daddy Biscuit with and egg, cheese, and a garlic pepper sausage patty. Strawberry jam for lube.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:07:02am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

A lot of states are like that. It’s why right wingers try to claim they “represent” more of the country even though those blue counties like Wayne in your state or Allegheny in PA, or Fairfax in mine have tons more peple.

Yes, counties where people actually live tend to have more Democrats in them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:07:04am

re: #207 Joe Bacon

See why I left Pennsylvania in 1982 and I never went back?

Pennsylvania is like a 5 on a dice cube. the 4 corners (Pittsburgh, Erie, Philly, Wilkes Barre/Scranton/Bethlehem/Allentown) are usually blue but once you leave them the rest of the state is redder than Mississippi.

Carville I believe described it as Alabama in the middle. The part of PA where my mom’s folks grew up- Cambria County. I don’t get the people there. They were able to see through Reagan’s bs but not Romney and Trump’s.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:08:14am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, counties where people actually live tend to have more Democrats in them.

ELITIST. // But yeah. I grew up in Fairfax County, Va and I remember when some of McCain’s surrogates were bragging about how Palin was “governor of our largest state”, I just had to chuckle since my county had more people in it than all of Alaska.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:11:49am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

ELITIST. // But yeah. I grew up in Fairfax County, Va and I remember when some of McCain’s surrogates were bragging about how Palin was “governor of our largest state”, I just had to chuckle since my county had more people in it than all of Alaska.

Luckily, representatives are apportioned according to population, not square mileage.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:14:57am

re: #217 wheat-dogg

Luckily, representatives are apportioned according to population, not square mileage.

No kidding.

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mmmirele  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:15:12am

re: #146 Anymouse

Yeah, Rep. King. That doesn’t sound authoritarian at all (especially on the heels of yesterday in Arizona at a rally where attendees and Republican politicians were calling for a genocide of liberals).

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That rally was actually last Saturday (March 4). All of the reports have been pretty much stolen from Stephen Lemons’ reporting on the rally for the Phoenix New Times.

phoenixnewtimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:17:26am

re: #197 Anymouse

Is Depeche Mode a sort of French pie with ice cream then?

You mean Depeach Melba

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:18:36am

re: #207 Joe Bacon

See why I left Pennsylvania in 1982 and I never went back?

Pennsylvania is like a 5 on a dice cube. the 4 corners (Pittsburgh, Erie, Philly, Wilkes Barre/Scranton/Bethlehem/Allentown) are usually blue but once you leave them the rest of the state is redder than Mississippi.

Pennsyltucky

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:20:31am

re: #120 Cheechako

I’d vote to shift the time once by a half hour and call the situation fixed for all time.

Can we get rid of time zones, too? I’m having a very hard time of getting that idea accepted. Blah blah blah about “lunch time” being at 2200 some places and other such drivel. Everyone is so fixated on numbers on a dial being associated with certain events. No time zones, much less confusion about events happening in different parts of the world.

I think I am fighting a losing battlh, though.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:23:02am

re: #222 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I think I am fighting a losing battlh, though.

Yes, you are.

I’m quite fine with one time enumeration. UTC is fine by me. But a lot of people would be greatly confused. I also prefer 24 hour clocks.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:23:03am

re: #143 Anymouse

She sounds dumber than ever. What is socialized about the AHCA? She has no idea what constitutes socialism. She needs to go back to seeing Russia from her house.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:24:43am

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

She sounds dumber than ever. What is socialized about the AHCA? She has no idea what constitutes socialism. She needs to go back to seeing Russia from her house.

What ever happened to the death panels she used to talk about?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:25:20am

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

She sounds dumber than ever. What is socialized about the AHCA? She has no idea what constitutes socialism. She needs to go back to seeing Russia from her house.

The funny thing is she actually governed a state that had what many would had a key provision that many would call socialism. The whole paying people to live in Alaska thing but she never objected to that when she tried to make Alaska the land of rugged individuals and individualism living without “big government.” I wish she’d just go the hell away and actually educate herself.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:25:49am

re: #225 Ace Rothstein

What ever happened to the death panels she used to talk about?

Someone should ask her that immediately when she decides to give her opinion on health care. She’s no different from Alex Jones in terms of nuttery.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:27:45am

Texas Southern made the NCAA tournament for the first time ever yesterday.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:30:44am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Alaska started out as a government project. It was a federal government land purchase from another sovereign nation. Then statehood was arranged against the natives’ will, in order to benefit certain commercial interests in the US. And as you point out, doling out oil money by law is redistribution by any name.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:32:12am

re: #229 freetoken

Alaska started out as a government project. It was a federal government land purchase from another sovereign nation. Then statehood was arranged against the natives’ will, in order to benefit certain commercial interests in the US. And as you point out, doling out oil money by law is redistribution by any name.

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:33:10am

Hell though, a lot of the Midwest where hostility towards “big government” was settled by people who got plots of land through the Homestead Act or went to land purchased by the federal government in the Louisiana Purchase.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:34:02am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Or the land was given to veterans who fought wars to, among other things, take the land from the natives.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:34:46am

re: #232 freetoken

Or the land was given to veterans who fought wars to, among other things, take the land from the natives.

The Northwest Territories after the Revolution, correct?

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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:35:28am

re: #225 Ace Rothstein

What ever happened to the death panels she used to talk about?

They were elected to the House and Senate in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:35:45am

But yeah point is a lot of people who bitch about horrible big government and SOCIALISM are people who owe a lot to it. And don’t get me started on all those veterans who benefit from the G.I. Bill and veteran preferences who espouse right wing bs.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 7:37:29am

re: #181 steve_davis

that’s one where you just grab your kid and hold her in your lap, and THEN everybody feels all warm inside when you tell them you may have to cut the interview short. But of course, on live t.v., he probably panicked.

I heard on the news today an explanation of what happened. The kids get to talk to grandma on Skype. As soon as the kids heard daddy talking to someone on the computer they thought they were missing out on talking to grandma and rushed into the home office. A cute story.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:05:47am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:07:35am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

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What the hell? We already spend well over every other country in the world. We are a military power. Anyone who thinks we haven’t been a military power the past eight years is a moron. Oh wait, I just described Trump’s idiotic base. Meanwhile, a lot of important things are being neglected as Trump attempts a Reagan 2.0.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:14:29am

Heh, Johnny Kasich just said we are watching the end of political parties in America because of all the squabbling. He’s on Meet the Chuck.

I think a lot of people would agree. I wonder if Johnny is willing to address the fact much of the party squabbling started during the time of Reagan when the Republicans decided they were going to make the Democrats evil “L-words.”

I always like a politician that is speaking the truth right up to the point he doesn’t want to admit his part of the problem.

He is right though when he says idealism of the party sometimes needs to go away to fix real problem and issues.

So, Johnny…when you going to start on your own level in your own job?

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:19:17am

re: #239 ObserverArt

I suspect that Kasich is just realizing that his role, at the stage he is in life, is to be the “conscious” of the party, a role akin to what Bob Dole was a decade earlier.

But the fundamentalists who now are the key marks in the Trump empire will have no compromise with the spawn of Satan (i.e., the rest of us), so I think that politics (as the art of compromise) is at a dead end with the current political party arrangement.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:19:19am

re: #239 ObserverArt

Heh, Johnny Kasich just said we are watching the end of political parties in America because of all the squabbling. He’s on Meet the Chuck.

I think a lot of people would agree. I wonder if Johnny is willing to address the fact much of the party squabbling started during the time of Reagan when the Republicans decided they were going to make the Democrats evil “L-words.”

I always like a politician that is speaking the truth right up to the point he doesn’t want to admit his part of the problem.

He is right though when he says idealism of the party sometimes needs to go away to fix real problem and issues.

So, Johnny…when you going to start on your own level in your own job?

Indeed, he was a big part of the problem. I appreciate that he’s been pretty anti Trump but he can be just as shitty.

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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:25:02am

Thread needz moar Frazz.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:25:09am

Speaking of fundamentalists… you may have thought you were rid of the Duggars. hah:

[…]

Whether or not Jana would be permitted to enter a courtship and marriage, or to leave home on her own for college or career, a recent interview reveals that she’s definitely not happy about all aspects of her role in the Duggar family.

[…]

However, she also revealed something about the dynamics of the Duggar family’s rules and beliefs that may startle some viewers — when the married siblings get together, Jana isn’t able to join in.

“Waiting is not always easy. Especially in those times when all the married siblings are getting together and you can’t go along because your not part of ‘that’ group.”

[…]

What a cult.

Speaking of which, Ben Seewald is apparently upset that a movie ( a religious movie, mind your) that God is portrayed as a black woman:

inquisitr.com

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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:27:13am

You know, something didn’t occur to me about the latest ‘Hillary talked no policy in any thing, worst campaign EVARRR!!’ histrionics, and it took Eric Boehlert to point it out to me:

Seriously, Trump ran almost no ads and subsisted on the free coverage lorded and lavished upon him by news media hungry for the ratings he brought. Often, again as I pointed out before, to the detriment of Clinton when she was actually speaking policy at campaign appearances and pressers.

But I guess Trump won and Hillary is the one true recognized Anti-Christ of All-Time so I guess the point is moot?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:28:18am

re: #242 jeffreyw

Because if there’s anybody’s opinion I value, it’s that of a dead-eyed dudebro who wears a backwards ballcap indoors. Take your hat off and stand up straight.

Yes, I’ve turned into my third-grade teacher…. But appearances still matter to me.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:29:19am

re: #244 Citizen K

So much effort is going into avoiding the obvious.

Namely, that there are enough bigots and atavists in America to get Trump elected.

And that the carnival barkers of old were right - you can fool a lot of people a lot of the time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:31:15am

re: #243 freetoken

Speaking of fundamentalists… you may have thought you were rid of the Duggars. hah:

What a cult.

Speaking of which, Ben Seewald is apparently upset that a movie ( a religious movie, mind your) that God is portrayed as a black woman:

inquisitr.com

GAH.

I am stupider now than I was before I saw that. Damn.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:34:11am

Stop making excuses for Americans.

That is my plea to the talking heads, pundits, and the like.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:40:11am

Internet warriors: inside the dark world of online ‘trolls’

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Birth Control Works  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:42:17am

“The Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)” became law (October 1974).

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:42:49am
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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:43:08am

Another day in hell.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:43:32am
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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:44:22am
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mmmirele  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:44:26am

re: #243 freetoken

That’s because no matter how old you are, you’re not treated as a real adult until you’re married. So I, 56 years old with two university degrees, a house and car notes and a decent-playing job and helping to care for an elderly mother, I’m not a real adult in their eyes because I never got married. You can imagine how I feel about that, which is to say, I don’t care.

I do feel sorry for Jana, though, because she doesn’t have any way to get out of that mess.

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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:45:58am

re: #246 freetoken

So much effort is going into avoiding the obvious.

Namely, that there are enough bigots and atavists in America to get Trump elected.

And that the carnival barkers of old were right - you can fool a lot of people a lot of the time.

You can’t fool all of the people all of the time. But you can fool enough of the people enough of the time for it to not matter.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:47:34am

re: #153 Anymouse

It’s a tax scam. Everything with Trump is a tax scam.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:48:00am

From the ACLU training yesterday

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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:49:21am
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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:49:43am

re: #245 Pawn of the Oppressor

Because if there’s anybody’s opinion I value, it’s that of a dead-eyed dudebro who wears a backwards ballcap indoors.

Yes, I’ve turned into my third-grade teacher…. But appearances still matter to me.

Sometimes a frog is just a frog.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:53:09am

re: #245 Pawn of the Oppressor

…. a dead-eyed dudebro who wears a backwards ballcap indoors.

Someone with the spirit of the lawd in his heart shouldn’t look like a soulless automaton.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:53:59am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

GAH.

I am stupider now than I was before I saw that. Damn.

I deal with these Jesusbots every day at work.

It’s true that ANY religion makes people stupid!

Brings back memories of the truly worst caller I ever dealt with…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:54:01am

re: #259 Citizen K

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What a fucking idiot. That’s literally their goddamn job.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:54:52am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:54:57am
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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:55:41am

re: #255 mmmirele

It’s part of the old patriarchy, which was a dominant force in colonial America. Like all the atavists who want to return to the 18th century, the Duggars have a very particular views about what women can do in society, and that legally a woman derives her standing in society through her husband.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:56:48am

re: #245 Pawn of the Oppressor

Because if there’s anybody’s opinion I value, it’s that of a dead-eyed dudebro who wears a backwards ballcap indoors. Take your hat off and stand up straight.

Yes, I’ve turned into my third-grade teacher…. But appearances still matter to me.

Not sure you are responding to the right comment.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:57:07am

re: #264 Myron Falwell

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Did you see that documentary? I didn’t get the name from my brother but he was telling me that it was about how this woman’s father who was once a pretty mainstream guy started listening to Rush and right wing radio and he just became super right wing. We both saw a lot of our friend in it who’s been getting his info from Ben Shapiro and Steve Crowder. It really is amazing what years or even shorter than that of telling people lies can do to their psyche.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:58:41am

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

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I’m really hoping his constituents vote his ass out. He’s one of the biggest dicks in the GOP and man there’s a lot of them.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2017 • 8:59:12am

re: #244 Citizen K

Seriously, Trump ran almost no ads and subsisted on the free coverage lorded and lavished upon him by news media hungry for the ratings he brought. Often, again as I pointed out before, to the detriment of Clinton when she was actually speaking policy at campaign appearances and pressers.

But that was obvious to all (i.e. the crap coverage she was getting compared to trump). So, unfair as it was, the job of finding a way to break through all the noise fell to her campaign, and the only way they could have done that was an aggressive ad campaign to counteract trump’s free media coverage (not just TV ads, but social media as well)

As for the argument above about trump’s “policy” proposals being rubbish, it doesn’t matter when the electorate is gullible enough to fall for it. Just as you wouldn’t give a PhD dissertation in front of a class of first-graders, neither should you speak to a gullible, easily misled electorate in terms they can’t understand, even if what you’re saying is 100% true.

There’s also this - yes, a lot of mud was flung at HRC. Trump had high negatives as well. How come the lies stuck to her but the truth didn’t stick to trump, at least in the swing states where it needed to? Doesn’t that suggest that, even if her message about trump being unfit was absolutely true, it just wasn’t penetrating the thick skulls of people who needed to hear it? Hell, some of them even seemed to see his manifest awfulness as a plus: “durr hurr, he’ll shake things up!”

We absolutely have the right to hate the fact that things have degenerated to this point, but if that’s the terrain you’re fighting on, better use the right gear to handle it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:01:41am

re: #270 Interesting Times

Yep. “Build that wall!” makes a great sound bite even if it is horrible policy.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:04:13am

re: #253 Nyet

Nyet, I had two EXTREMELY DISTASTEFUL encounters with Bobby Fischer here in Los Angeles.

In 1982, I was in the Los Angeles Central Library when a pair of police officers threw Fischer out of the place. He was screaming that they were in the pockets of the Jews. Fischer had a stack of mimeographed leaflets he gave out which stated that the world was run by a secret Jewish government centered in the Kremlin.

Mid 1983, I was going to Pasadena to see the chess match between Korchnoi and Kasparov (Which was aborted because Kasparov did not show up). On the bus was Fischer walking back and forth screaming about the Jews persecuting him and they had to be gotten rid of. I had enough and I said, “Oh shut up, Bobby! Take your hate and shove it up your ass”. He went off yelling at the driver to stop the bus and let him get off. The bus driver was so pissed he stopped the bus, called for the police and sure enough the cops came, one of them said, “Aw shit, it’s that asshole again”. The police got a standing ovation from us…

Hey, I enjoy playing chess, but too much of it knocks you off your rocker…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:04:14am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. “Build that wall!” makes a great sound bite even if it is horrible policy.

Build the wall, Make America Great Again. The problem we have honestly is our philosophy can’t really be narrowed down to soundbites. MAGA has more resonance than “Our country is great but we can be better.” There’s a reason why populism sells and that’s because the masses embrace simple messages rather than complex ones. Clinton had the right ideas, the right experience, etc but because it was nuanced, it didn’t have the masses screaming the way Trump and to another extent Sanders did though she did beat both of them in popular vote.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:05:51am

re: #272 Joe Bacon

Nyet, I had two EXTREMELY DISTASTEFUL encounters with Bobby Fischer here in Los Angeles.

In 1982, I was in the Los Angeles Central Library when a pair of police officers threw Fischer out of the place. He was screaming that they were in the pockets of the Jews. Fischer had a stack of mimeographed leaflets he gave out which stated that the world was run by a secret Jewish government centered in the Kremlin.

Mid 1983, I was going to Pasadena to see the chess match between Korchnoi and Kasparov (Which was aborted because Kasparov did not show up). On the bus was Fischer walking back and forth screaming about the Jews persecuting him and they had to be gotten rid of. I had enough and I said, “Oh shut up, Bobby! Take your hate and shove it up your ass”. He went off yelling at the driver to stop the bus and let him get off. The bus driver was so pissed he stopped the bus, called for the police and sure enough the cops came, one of them said, “Aw shit, it’s that asshole again”. The police got a standing ovation from us…

Hey, I enjoy playing chess, but too much of it knocks you off your rocker…

That’s a cool claim to fame heh being able to say you told Bobby Fischer to shut up and take his hate and shove it up his ass. I still need to see that documentary HBO did on him. What a messed up individual he was. Brilliant chessmaster but man so much pathetic hate.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:09:42am

re: #271 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. “Build that wall!” makes a great sound bite even if it is horrible policy.

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

Build that wall!
Drain the swamp!
Lock her up!

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Another thing that, counter-intuitively, worked to HRC’s detriment - trump had soooooo many negatives, while she only had a few. Yet hers, due to endless repetition, were clear and memorable, while his blended into an amorphous morass. The way to fix that, I suppose, would’ve been to focus on just a handful of flaws that counteracted his perceived strengths.

He called her “crooked Hillary”? Maybe her campaign should have constantly called him “Don the Con” - 3 words, 3 syllables, easy to remember, and goes to weaken/invalidate every thing he says.

Granted, too late for her campaign, but maybe Dems in special elections this year and the 2018 midterms could use it, and build around it - anything and everything about the GOP is a giant con.

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stpaulbear  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:11:03am

re: #272 Joe Bacon

Nyet, I had two EXTREMELY DISTASTEFUL encounters with Bobby Fischer here in Los Angeles.

In 1982, I was in the Los Angeles Central Library when a pair of police officers threw Fischer out of the place. He was screaming that they were in the pockets of the Jews. Fischer had a stack of mimeographed leaflets he gave out which stated that the world was run by a secret Jewish government centered in the Kremlin.

Mid 1983, I was going to Pasadena to see the chess match between Korchnoi and Kasparov (Which was aborted because Kasparov did not show up). On the bus was Fischer walking back and forth screaming about the Jews persecuting him and they had to be gotten rid of. I had enough and I said, “Oh shut up, Bobby! Take your hate and shove it up your ass”. He went off yelling at the driver to stop the bus and let him get off. The bus driver was so pissed he stopped the bus, called for the police and sure enough the cops came, one of them said, “Aw shit, it’s that asshole again”. The police got a standing ovation from us…

Hey, I enjoy playing chess, but too much of it knocks you off your rocker…

Obligatory:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:11:31am

re: #275 Interesting Times

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Another thing that, counter-intuitively, worked to HRC’s detriment - trump had soooooo many negatives, while she only had a few. Yet hers, due to endless repetition, were clear and memorable, while his blended into an amorphous morass. The way to fix that, I suppose, would’ve been to focus on just a handful of flaws that counteracted his perceived strengths.

He called her “crooked Hillary”? Maybe her campaign should have constantly called him “Don the Con” - 3 words, 3 syllables, easy to remember, and goes to weaken/invalidate every thing he says.

Granted, too late for her campaign, but maybe Dems in special elections this year and the 2018 midterms could use it, and build around it - anything and everything about the GOP is a giant con.

Yeah “Don the Con.” The thing that frustrates me is people are ignoring that she did talk about issues. In fact, she talked about them more than he did.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:12:26am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I was really amazed at Tobey Maguire’s performance in “Pawn Sacrifice”. He absolutely nailed it as Fischer!

Oh, I wouldn’t call it a “claim to fame” when it comes to Fischer. After each encounter, I felt like I had to wash myself down with Lysol!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:13:58am

re: #267 Nyet

Not sure you are responding to the right comment.

Whoops, mis-click… Meant #243 below it. With what I guess is a Duggar (I thought they dressed better?)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:14:34am

The thing is people want simple solutions and rhetoric to complex problems. That was another thing my brother and I were talking about last night. He’s definitely to my left but we both see that absolutist approaches to economics both socialistic and capitalistic are foolish. I was telling him about the conversation some of us had Friday morning about how the cost of one of those F-35 jets could go to cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and it just amazed him. He’s frustrated because he deals with right wingers talking about how abortion is murder and blah blah and these are the same people who are indifferent or even heartless to people who are negatively impacted by laissez-faire capitalism’s environmental pitfalls.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:14:55am

re: #278 Joe Bacon

I was really amazed at Tobey Maguire’s performance in “Pawn Sacrifice”. He absolutely nailed it as Fischer!

Oh, I wouldn’t call it a “claim to fame” when it comes to Fischer. After each encounter, I felt like I had to wash myself down with Lysol!

Heh still pretty neat though.I’ve never told a famous person to shut up.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:17:00am

re: #276 stpaulbear

Oh St. Paul, that’s an understatement!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:17:21am
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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:17:22am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Did you see that documentary? I didn’t get the name from my brother but he was telling me that it was about how this woman’s father who was once a pretty mainstream guy started listening to Rush and right wing radio and he just became super right wing. We both saw a lot of our friend in it who’s been getting his info from Ben Shapiro and Steve Crowder. It really is amazing what years or even shorter than that of telling people lies can do to their psyche.

I haven’t seen it either. But stories like those are indeed alarmingly commonplace.

Literal denazification will have to take place with an entire voting bloc of tens of millions of people.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:21:02am

re: #284 Myron Falwell

I haven’t seen it either. But stories like those are indeed alarmingly commonplace.

Literal denazification will have to take place with an entire voting bloc of tens of millions of people.

It’s just amazing how someone smart, kind, and reasonable can listen to shit like that and be transformed into such an asshole. Like my friend, I’ve never seen him belittle people different than him before but now he belittles feminists, transgendered people, refugees, indigenous people, etc. Honestly, if he wasn’t my best friend that I have an almost fraternal bond with (we go way way back), I’d consider ending the friendship. I don’t like ending friendships over politics but what he’s become disgusts me.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:21:13am
Q: How many will lose coverage under GOP health plan?
Paul Ryan: “I can’t answer that question. It’s up to people.”
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:21:37am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart

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Fucking pathetic liar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:22:29am
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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:24:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:24:52am

Ozymandius uncovered

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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:25:03am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:25:52am

“…Can you think of any compelling, job-related reason that an employer might need to know if your child has cystic fibrosis? There’s not one. The only use for that information is to avoid covering or employing someone whose family members or who themselves might have a chronic or pre-existing and therefore costly condition. Finding that out after someone has been employed opens a door to usher them right back out again. At the very low threshold of that door is that steep, slippery slope. There is almost no threshold for “we don’t want to pay for that” when it comes to saving a buck.”
forbes.com

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:25:53am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Heh still pretty neat though.I’ve never told a famous person to shut up.

It’s called “twitter”.//

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:26:03am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:27:34am

re: #289 jaunte

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Agh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:28:00am

re: #293 Nyet

It’s called “twitter”.//

Face to face though. Fischer probably actually heard Joe.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:34:45am

Well, there’s also this.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:35:15am

re: #297 Nyet

You sure know how to find the winners…

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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:36:41am

Which makes sense when you remember that Breitbartians and Palinbots never really liked Ryan.

Their readership (heh) is so gullible that they can whitewash the involvement of Trump/Bannon in this disaster of a bill and get away with it. And perpetuate the lie of the ACA being a failure (when it isn’t) come next election cycle (“let’s bring new true conservative House leadership that will provide the best replacement for Obamacare blah blah blah”)…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:36:57am

re: #297 Nyet

Well, there’s also this.

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I missed that part I guess. Granted I didn’t last long in CCD.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:37:31am

re: #270 Interesting Times

Remember when Trump was railing against Clinton’s vote for the Iraq was under Bush, and when the reporter asked about Pence’s support, Trump said it did not matter? I saw the male double standard right there.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:37:46am

re: #299 Myron Falwell

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Which makes sense when you remember that Breitbartians and Palinbots never really liked Ryan.

Their readership (heh) is so gullible that they can whitewash the involvement of Trump/Bannon in this disaster of a bill and get away with it. And perpetuate the lie of the ACA being a failure (when it isn’t) come next election cycle (“let’s bring new true conservative House leadership that will provide the best replacement for Obamacare blah blah blah”)…

I do enjoy it when they cannibalize themselves. If the petty inner squabbling means ACA can be saved then.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:39:00am

re: #301 Belafon

Remember when Trump was railing against Clinton’s vote for the Iraq was under Bush, and when the reporter asked about Pence’s support, Trump said it did not matter? I saw the male double standard right there.

Pence was a much bigger supporter of the war than Clinton was too. But yeah it just amazed me that Clinton got attacked for that vote but Pence’s was ignored. And Trump had and has a lot of advisers that not just supported it but put the war together. Trump presented it as if Hillary started the war herself.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:40:48am

re: #301 Belafon

Remember when Trump was railing against Clinton’s vote for the Iraq was under Bush, and when the reporter asked about Pence’s support, Trump said it did not matter? I saw the male double standard right there.

Do you think he wouldn’t have said it about his female VP, had he had one?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:44:09am

Tillerson must have left his dignity at the door when he took the office. The Secretary of State is reporting to the President’s son-in-law. And not allowed to choose his own deputies. I’d say all the upset that the CEO of Exxon was made SecState was overblown. It’s essentially a powerless position now.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:44:23am

re: #304 Nyet

Do you think he wouldn’t have said it about his female VP, had he had one?

True. It was more like the typical IOKIYAR standard.

And of course, there’s another respect in which his “doesn’t matter” statement actually was true - the far-left takes it for granted that GOPers are pro-war, but flips its collective shit when a Dem is perceived as such. The HRC=warmonger meme was always intended to harm her with that group.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:45:13am

re: #305 Blind Frog Belly White

Tillerson must have left his dignity at the door when he took the office. The Secretary of State is reporting to the President’s son-in-law. And not allowed to choose his own deputies. I’d say all the upset that the CEO of Exxon was made SecState was overblown. It’s essentially a powerless position now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:45:56am
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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:46:34am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

I do enjoy it when they cannibalize themselves. If the petty inner squabbling means ACA can be saved then.

What happens when a dog finally catches it’s tail?

Their lack of any thought process beyond REPEAL AND REPLACE for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS is rearing its ugly head on the entire GOP rank-and-file. Plus Ryan and Chaffetz are truly pathetic pitchmen that have yielded unbelievable damage on their efforts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:46:45am

re: #304 Nyet

Do you think he wouldn’t have said it about his female VP, had he had one?

I don’t think it was a male double standard, in that Trump would have used that line of attack on anyone the Dems nominated if he/she had voted for the Iraq war, and would have minimized the importance of his VP supporting it no matter who it was.

The double standard is that he’s allowed to lie shamelessly and with impunity while everyone else has to be mostly honest.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:49:38am

Frothy just said that ER visits have gone up because of the ACA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:50:20am

re: #311 Ace Rothstein

Frothy just said that ER visits have gone up because of the ACA.

I wish they wouldn’t give Frothy an audience. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:51:13am

re: #275 Interesting Times

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Another thing that, counter-intuitively, worked to HRC’s detriment - trump had soooooo many negatives, while she only had a few. Yet hers, due to endless repetition, were clear and memorable, while his blended into an amorphous morass. The way to fix that, I suppose, would’ve been to focus on just a handful of flaws that counteracted his perceived strengths.

He called her “crooked Hillary”? Maybe her campaign should have constantly called him “Don the Con” - 3 words, 3 syllables, easy to remember, and goes to weaken/invalidate every thing he says.

Granted, too late for her campaign, but maybe Dems in special elections this year and the 2018 midterms could use it, and build around it - anything and everything about the GOP is a giant con.

The elephant here that is being ignored is not the number of syllables or catchiness of the phrases: it’s the meaning of them. Trump’s “magic” is his appeal to the anger and hate and providing targets for it. That we have a large enough population that can be energized by this is our national tragedy.

I agree that Dems can and should improve messaging and brand building. I also see it as the least of the problems alone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:51:45am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:53:01am

re: #313 allegro

The elephant here that is being ignored is not the number of syllables or catchiness of the phrases: it’s the meaning of them. Trump’s “magic” is his appeal to the anger and hate and providing targets for it. That we have a large enough population that can be energized by this is our national tragedy.

I agree that Dems can and should improve messaging and brand building. I also see it as the least of the problems alone.

That’s true as well. And you’re right. Trump’s “magic” as you get is his appeal to anger and hate and providing targets for it. And I think that can be seen in how he ran up higher margins than usual in many parts of the country among Republican voters. And I agree, it’s definitely tragic that the segment of the population is large enough that it can be energized by that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:54:13am

Resentment sells and as I believe I said yesterday has been the driving engine of the right wing movement in our country for sometime.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:56:23am

re: #275 Interesting Times

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Another thing that, counter-intuitively, worked to HRC’s detriment - trump had soooooo many negatives, while she only had a few. Yet hers, due to endless repetition, were clear and memorable, while his blended into an amorphous morass. The way to fix that, I suppose, would’ve been to focus on just a handful of flaws that counteracted his perceived strengths.

He called her “crooked Hillary”? Maybe her campaign should have constantly called him “Don the Con” - 3 words, 3 syllables, easy to remember, and goes to weaken/invalidate every thing he says.

Granted, too late for her campaign, but maybe Dems in special elections this year and the 2018 midterms could use it, and build around it - anything and everything about the GOP is a giant con.

“Trump that bitch!”

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:57:14am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

That could be true. You won’t have to pay for something that no longer exists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:58:26am
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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:58:48am

Rent, food or healthcare? Free choices, people.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 9:59:22am

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

“Trump that bitch!”

But hey don’t call them deplorable. That hurts their feelings. I’m sick of Trump supporters. I’m sick of them whining that mean liberals don’t understand them when they’re the ones who are constantly going fuck your feelings and not even attempting to empathize with other people.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:00:42am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s also crooked too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:01:56am

What allowed Trump to become President?

When politics became an entertainment spectacle instead of a serious discussion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:02:31am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:03:56am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

What allowed Trump to become President?

When politics became an entertainment spectacle instead of a serious discussion.

Indeed. When people started posting videos of people “destroying” someone rather than realizing it’s about discussion of real and complicated issues that can’t be simplified to some asshole yelling at someone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:05:30am
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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:06:05am

A story which the denialists will deny:

Study: Agriculture Sector Should Ramp Up Response To Climate Change

That headline is a bit too optimistic. From the actual paper:

Determining climate effects on US totalagricultural productivity

[…]

Thus, if technological advances and other adaptations to climate-driven change merely keep pace with recent historical rates, the average climate penalty under RCP4.5 will cause TFP [ total factor productivity, the ratio of output to input in agricultural production] to lose, by ∼2035, all of the gains achieved from 1981 to 2010. To overcome this loss, the effect of technological advances would have to double to sustain US agricultural productivity at the current level. RCP8.5 creates a larger penalty but only hastens the total loss of accumulated TFP growth by ∼3 y. Under either RCP, the projected climate penalty will substantially reduce US agricultural productivity in the coming decades.

[…]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:09:38am
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b.d.  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:10:29am

re: #309 Myron Falwell

Plus Ryan and Chaffetz are truly pathetic pitchmen that have yielded unbelievable damage on their efforts.

They do suck. I have yet to hear anyone tell me what is supposed to be GOOD in the Trumpcare bill, they just keep talking about how it’s not as horrible as advertised.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:11:35am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:14:04am

This guy turned out to be a completely unhinged lunatic asshole.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:17:38am

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

This guy turned out to be a completely unhinged lunatic asshole.

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Ugh, I am really hoping that Democrats don’t go through a tea party swing like the GOP did in 2009 and on.

I had to listen to a Democrat constantly use “we the people” rhetoric yesterday. Kept having flashbacks to my GOP days, but I disliked the tea party and their rhetoric from the start.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:19:02am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is so fucked up:

“It is not just visitors from the countries targeted by the bans that are souring on U.S. travel; the seven countries included in Trump’s original order in January account for 0.1% of incoming travelers. Rather, an atmosphere of fear at the nation’s airports — and well-publicized incidents of visitors being detained and interrogated — are scaring off people without the slightest connection to the Muslim world.

Washington, New York and four other states will take Trump to court over the new travel ban
“Think twice about visiting America if you don’t want the ‘Mem Fox’ treatment,” read a recent headline in the letters column of the Australian magazine Traveller, referring to the children’s book author who swore she would never return to the United States after being questioned at Los Angeles International Airport on her way to a literary conference.”

———

Article also says estimated tourism losses are on pace to hit $11 Billion this year.

Make vacations great again!

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:19:10am

re: #332 Timothy Watson

Ugh, I am really hoping that Democrats don’t go through a tea party swing like the GOP did in 2009 and on.

I had to listen to a Democrat constantly use “we the people” rhetoric yesterday. Kept having flashbacks to my GOP days, but I disliked the tea party and their rhetoric from the start.

I really hope we avoid that too.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:19:51am

Local wingnuts face hostile crowds:

Issa, Hunter face raucous anti-Trump crowds at town hall meetings

Hunter is probably not going to lose. Issa on the other hand won re-election by a very small margin last time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:20:16am

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

This guy turned out to be a completely unhinged lunatic asshole.

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Jesus Christ. Man, I think DWS could have done a better job but her leftist detractors are even worse.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:21:54am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

What allowed Trump to become President?

When politics became an entertainment spectacle instead of a serious discussion.

The mental poisioning of an entire bloc of voters played a role, too. Trump is but an carrier of this decades-long deception by the usual suspects.

As a result, the Democrats had to play a near-perfect game in order to win what turned out to be a rigged game. JillBots and Bros made sure that didn’t happen, even with Hillary’s popular vote margin, which only exemplifies how rigged the system is.

The same thing could be said had Rafael Cruz been elected instead of Trump. I betcha Cruz would have brought someone like Bannon aboard and appointed sycophants like DeVos and Sessions to cabinet positions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:22:05am
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Nyet  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:23:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:24:12am
Think the end is coming? JeZus (yes, with a Z), a doomsday prophet in Hawaii, says yes. Go inside his world on #Believer w/@rezaaslan at 10p
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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:26:51am
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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:28:43am

So I spent 15+ hours over the past 3 days watching Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Wagner’s Ring Cycle epic opera(s). Hot damn, y’all. It’s Lord of the Rings written almost 50 years before Tolkien was born. I knew it was based in Nordic mythology but had no idea how fun it would be with Mean Girl Mermaids, giants, dwarfs in an underworld, dragon protecting gold and the magic dark power ring (sound familiar?), gods and goddesses, Valkyries (warrior goddesses who were all illegitimate daughters of Wotan aka Odin which made his wife, Fricka, Goddess of Marriage, quite testy). And incest, a brother/sister as husband/wife who are also the illegitimate twins (though mortal) sired by Wotan. He was a busy, horny guy. I loved him, particularly because he was played in this Met production by Brynn Terfel, my favorite baritone and all around lovable guy.

I know few will ever sit through this masterpiece but if you were ever tempted to check out opera, this could get ya hooked. It’s a trip.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:29:28am

re: #332 Timothy Watson

The Tea Party only brought out the GOP’s utter divorce from reality. It was fated to happen.

The most obvious danger for the Democratic Party is if the Bros and JillBots are somehow allowed to continue undermining the party on a national scale. Those fringe elements don’t necessarily have the manpower to hijack the party per se, but they still yielded unbelievable damage last year and still can.

And what do the Tea Party and the JillBots/Bros have in common? A call for PURITY!!1!!!1!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:33:52am

re: #342 allegro

So I spent 15+ hours over the past 3 days watching Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Wagner’s Ring Cycle epic opera(s). Hot damn, y’all. It’s Lord of the Rings written almost 50 years before Tolkien was born. I knew it was based in Nordic mythology but had no idea how fun it would be with Mean Girl Mermaids, giants, dwarfs in an underworld, dragon protecting gold and the magic dark power ring (sound familiar?), gods and goddesses, Valkyries (warrior goddesses who were all illegitimate daughters of Wotan aka Odin which made his wife, Fricka, Goddess of Marriage, quite testy). And incest, a brother/sister as husband/wife who are also the illegitimate twins (though mortal) sired by Wotan. He was a busy, horny guy. I loved him, particularly because he was played in this Met production by Brynn Terfel, my favorite baritone and all around lovable guy.

I know few will ever sit through this masterpiece but if you were ever tempted to check out opera, this could get ya hooked. It’s a trip.

YES! YES! Ring Des Nibelungen is LOTR in the original German.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:38:42am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I really hope we avoid that too.

We could learn from the Tea Party.

They put up their slates of candidates in the primaries, and a lot of them lost. Then the TP’ers went out and worked like mad to make sure WHOEVER the GOP nominee was won. They didn’t sit around pissing and moaning about how awful the candidate was, or how they couldn’t vote for him because he wasn’t pure enough, or that the GOP had to EARN their vote. Once nominated, the GOP candidate became THE person for that office.

4 election cycles later, they own the White House and control the Congress.

And what do Progressives do? Well, some of ‘held their nose’ and voted for that awful Hillary Clinton “She’s not a REAL Liberal!”. And some of them voted for Stein, because “The lesser of two evils is still evil!” And some stayed home, because they didn’t get their fucking pony.

And now we have Trump. And what are Progressives doing? Well, we’re protesting, and organizing. Great! And some loud assholes are still litigating the 2016 Primaries, because if there’s one thing that’s REALLY important right now, it’s their hurt feelings.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:41:56am

re: #313 allegro

The elephant here that is being ignored is not the number of syllables or catchiness of the phrases: it’s the meaning of them. Trump’s “magic” is his appeal to the anger and hate and providing targets for it. That we have a large enough population that can be energized by this is our national tragedy.

Absolutely. But wingnuts don’t have a monopoly on anger. There’s plenty on our side as well (e.g. all the grassroots protests that have arisen in response to trump&GOP fuckery)

The difference is, our anger is based on reality, theirs is based on bigotry.

We’ll never win over the bigots, but we might be able to grab enough of the low-info bigot-curious to take back congress and the electoral college.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:43:31am

re: #346 Interesting Times

The stresses of modernity may just be too much to process for enough of society, and cause politics to fail.

A lot has happened over the last century. Too much for some.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:43:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:43:44am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

YES! YES! Ring Des Nibelungen is LOTR in the original German.

YouTube

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:43:51am

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

We could learn from the Tea Party.

They put up their slates of candidates in the primaries, and a lot of them lost. Then the TP’ers went out and worked like mad to make sure WHOEVER the GOP nominee was won. They didn’t sit around pissing and moaning about how awful the candidate was, or how they couldn’t vote for him because he wasn’t pure enough, or that the GOP had to EARN their vote. Once nominated, the GOP candidate became THE person for that office.

4 election cycles later, they own the White House and control the Congress.

And what do Progressives do? Well, some of ‘held their nose’ and voted for that awful Hillary Clinton “She’s not a REAL Liberal!”. And some of them voted for Stein, because “The lesser of two evils is still evil!” And some stayed home, because they didn’t get their fucking pony.

And now we have Trump. And what are Progressives doing? Well, we’re protesting, and organizing. Great! And some loud assholes are still litigating the 2016 Primaries, because if there’s one thing that’s REALLY important right now, it’s their hurt feelings.

That’s true.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:43:54am

Which is why I brought up the Duggars earlier.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:44:51am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep never any stories like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:46:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:48:14am

re: #342 allegro

So I spent 15+ hours over the past 3 days watching Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Wagner’s Ring Cycle epic opera(s). Hot damn, y’all. It’s Lord of the Rings written almost 50 years before Tolkien was born. I knew it was based in Nordic mythology but had no idea how fun it would be with Mean Girl Mermaids, giants, dwarfs in an underworld, dragon protecting gold and the magic dark power ring (sound familiar?), gods and goddesses, Valkyries (warrior goddesses who were all illegitimate daughters of Wotan aka Odin which made his wife, Fricka, Goddess of Marriage, quite testy). And incest, a brother/sister as husband/wife who are also the illegitimate twins (though mortal) sired by Wotan. He was a busy, horny guy. I loved him, particularly because he was played in this Met production by Brynn Terfel, my favorite baritone and all around lovable guy.

I know few will ever sit through this masterpiece but if you were ever tempted to check out opera, this could get ya hooked. It’s a trip.

I saw it in 2008 at the Bayreuth Festival; Christian Thielemann was the conductor. It’s impressive, to put it mildly, even though I’m the first to confess opera isn’t really my thing. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it tremendously……one of those “once in a lifetime” sort of things.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:49:42am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

YES! YES! Ring Des Nibelungen is LOTR in the original German.

One can approach LOTR as Wagner mixed with Tolkien’s WWI experience and forced into a Christian worldview.

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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:55:08am

re: #346 Interesting Times

Absolutely. But wingnuts don’t have a monopoly on anger. There’s plenty on our side as well (e.g. all the grassroots protests that have arisen in response to trump&GOP fuckery)

The difference is, our anger is based on reality, theirs is based on bigotry.

We’ll never win over the bigots, but we might be able to grab enough of the low-info bigot-curious to take back congress and the electoral college.

What you’ve just said points to something creepy actually. What has energized “our side” here is a hate target, i.e. Trumpists. I agree about it being based in reality since they are indeed hateful but in the end it is still rooted in hate and anger. Not making a right or wrong judgment - I can easily argue that the ends justify the means… to a point but gotta admit it is becoming what we decry.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 10:56:29am

re: #275 Interesting Times

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Another thing that, counter-intuitively, worked to HRC’s detriment - trump had soooooo many negatives, while she only had a few. Yet hers, due to endless repetition, were clear and memorable, while his blended into an amorphous morass. The way to fix that, I suppose, would’ve been to focus on just a handful of flaws that counteracted his perceived strengths.

He called her “crooked Hillary”? Maybe her campaign should have constantly called him “Don the Con” - 3 words, 3 syllables, easy to remember, and goes to weaken/invalidate every thing he says.

Granted, too late for her campaign, but maybe Dems in special elections this year and the 2018 midterms could use it, and build around it - anything and everything about the GOP is a giant con.

Here is some building around it… refer to them constantly as Republicons.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:00:53am

re: #355 freetoken

One can approach LOTR as Wagner mixed with Tolkien’s WWI experience and forced into a Christian worldview.

Tolkien allegedly insisted that LOTR was IN NO WAY plagiarized from Nibelungenlied except that “both works are about rings that are round” and I’m like NFW.

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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:02:06am

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

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Video

OMG this is hilarious! I love this woman! Thanks so much for posting this. Now, back to watching the rest of it LMAO.

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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:03:00am
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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:03:58am

Steve King’s civilization.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:10:09am

re: #275 Interesting Times

Actually, that reminds me of a definite pattern I noticed with his fuckery:

All three words, all three syllables. Maybe freetoken can comment on the science behind the effectiveness of that method as “magick” :/

Yes, actually. This is well known in crowd manipulation. If one looks at the chants used in different kind of venues for sports/entertainment, there is a musical quality that is needed for a chant to succeed.

The 3 syllable chants usually follow a simple rhythm, in common time (4/4): ♩ ♩ ♩ ⌇

(if only I could find the right entry for the quarter rest…)

When four syllables are employed, the third one can be emphasized to help people to chant. Locally (to San Diego), this might go like:

Let’s Go Char’ gers

In the world from which Trump arises, the carnival, an example can be taken from how WWE programs their crowds, e.g.

This Is Awe’ som

And so forth.

Crowd manipulation is the bread and butter of the conman, whether it is Trump or your local TV preacher.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:10:10am

Great bit from SNL last night:

Translator - SNL

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:10:27am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Totally normal for the SOS to talk to the President’s son in law.

Just as snarky to say it like this too:

Totally normal for the fake SOS to talk to the President’s real Secretary of State, his son in law. //

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:11:15am

𝄽

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:11:36am

Well, that was supposed to be a quarter rest, but my Mac doesn’t show it….

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:11:47am

Afternoon Lizardim as the snow flies in the wild north country.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:12:41am

re: #360 jaunte

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No surprise there. King is a racist piece of shit who favors Nuremberg laws of citizenship.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:13:08am

re: #364 ObserverArt

Just as snarky to say it like this too:

Totally normal for the fake SOS to talk to the President’s real Secretary of State, his son in law. //

Yeah taht works too.

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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:18:31am

“We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies.”

He might as well have said “nits make lice.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:19:33am

Who the fuck made Steve King the arbiter of what our civilization is anyhow?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:19:50am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Who the fuck made Steve King the arbiter of what our civilization is anyhow?

Donald Trump.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:21:02am

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t think it was a male double standard, in that Trump would have used that line of attack on anyone the Dems nominated if he/she had voted for the Iraq war, and would have minimized the importance of his VP supporting it no matter who it was.

The double standard is that he’s allowed to lie shamelessly and with impunity while everyone else has to be mostly honest.

And looking back on it all, once he was allowed to get away with some of his first lies in the primary and both the media and the Republican party were seen to be incapable of shooting him down he was emboldened to let it all rip from then on and he has not stopped.

Really why should he? There is absolutely no punishment for it. No repercussions from the party and his backers for his lying. Media is like the police trying to stop King Kong, a brave soul tries to climb up the Chrysler Building and take town the big ape with a service revolver and the Trump backers read the headlines and laugh.

It was all made clear that day he said “I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters!”

That was the blurring of when a lie becomes the reality and the lie is accepted.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:23:05am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Who the fuck made Steve King the arbiter of what our civilization is anyhow?

Evidently Steve King did.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:26:30am
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:27:24am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

The story is excellent: washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:30:13am

re: #375 Varek Raith

You win the internet today.

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:31:54am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Beautifully done!!!

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:33:44am

re: #375 Varek Raith

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Dude. Just … DUDE.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:35:15am

I’m still in awe at just how blatant that tweet was.
Wowzers.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:37:42am

Anywho, looks like I might actually get some real snow this winter.
:)

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:38:34am

re: #360 jaunte

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Oh look..Steve King is a racist asshole. I guess we never figured that out before.

Anyway, glad that he sees the political climate as being conducive to making it clearer. Hey America…Steve King’s a fucking racist. Anyone care???

I bet the answer is no from too many people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:39:39am

re: #376 Ace Rothstein

The story is excellent: washingtonpost.com

It’s heart-breaking. My county in eastern Kentucky is a similar situation.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:40:39am

re: #363 Eclectic Cyborg

Great bit from SNL last night:

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I posted that upthread. Loved that bit. My comment above was the TV was left on and the doggie was listening.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:45:24am

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

There isn’t enough updings I can give for this. It makes me actually want to listen to the whole thing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:47:31am

So last night, the band that was supposed to open up for my friends had to cancel, and this girl took the stage last minute. Pleasant surprise and she alone is better than the canceled band anyway, so it worked out great.

Gina Gonzalez

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:49:06am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:49:55am

re: #385 Eric The Fruit Bat

There isn’t enough updings I can give for this. It makes me actually want to listen to the whole thing.

When I was growing up, every Saturday my Dad listened to the live Saturday Matinee broadcast from the Met, with Milton Cross (“Sponsored by Texaco: You can trust your car to the man who wears the star!”). There’d always be a synopsis of the next act during the intermissions, as well as Texaco’s Opera Quiz. So, I grew up with Opera, even though we lived nowhere near an opera house.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:49:57am
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DuckDharma  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:54:37am

re: #362 freetoken

The “this is awesome” chant is an example of the audience influencing the product, not the other way around. reddit.com

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:56:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:57:51am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:59:35am

Is there are corresponding cartoon from the 1930’s?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2017 • 11:59:57am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a pity that they are not reading the paper that is in the background.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:00:54pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:01:26pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I see The National Enquirer is still doing fantastic stories about scary, ugly, out-of-this-world aliens taking over the planet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:03:24pm
This guy dressed as #KateWinslet in #Titanic just won #Purim
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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:06:57pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay, when David Duke approves of your tweet, you should know you are doing something horribly wrong. I don’t think King has that level of awareness, however.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:08:04pm

re: #375 Varek Raith

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The election of Trump has started the GOP edging to just outright letting their freak flag fly as a party.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:08:44pm

Here’s another Steve King Racist-As-Fuck Tweet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:09:16pm
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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:09:26pm

re: #399 Targetpractice

The election of Trump has started the GOP edging to just outright letting their freak flag fly as a party.

Oh Lawdy, this is just “edging” there? =O

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:09:34pm

re: #398 thedopefishlives

I don’t think one is worse than the other any longer. They reinforce each other’s vileness and are proud of the reciprocal endorsements​.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:10:21pm

re: #402 allegro

Oh Lawdy, this is just “edging” there? =O

Pretty much. The party as a whole will still insist they’re not racists, but that’s for appearance’s sake at this point. King’s just saying aloud what a lot of the party are saying in private.

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calochortus  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:10:26pm

re: #360 jaunte

My culture and “civilization” must be far more robust than King’s. I think it is doing just fine and not in need of restoration.

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blueraven  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:15:02pm
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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:15:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:16:22pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:17:13pm

re: #406 blueraven

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Is the pic of Dinesh with the woman he cheated with or the one he cheated on?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:17:56pm

re: #406 blueraven

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Man, what’s the right way to describe something beyond “epic levels of projection”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:23:06pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:27:01pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

They will never understand healthcare is not like other stuff you pay for.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:27:22pm

re: #403 JordanRules

I don’t think one is worse than the other any longer. They reinforce each other’s vileness and are proud of the reciprocal endorsements​.

I think I am agreeing with you.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:27:44pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, maybe if those damn kids would stop buying iPhones, they could afford their cancer treatments.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:28:59pm

re: #412 Eclectic Cyborg

They will never understand healthcare is not like other stuff you pay for.

Their simplistic minds, the ones who view the federal budget in the same terms as a household budget, think a person suffering kidney failure has time to shop around for the hospital offering the cheapest dialysis.

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calochortus  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:30:18pm

re: #414 thedopefishlives

Well, maybe if those damn kids would stop buying iPhones, they could afford their cancer treatments.

Not to mention that they should have selected their parents more carefully.

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jaunte  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:30:22pm
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blueraven  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:30:41pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

double spit-take.

smdh

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:31:00pm

re: #416 calochortus

Not to mention that they should have selected their parents more carefully.

Yeah, if you’re going to get cancer, at least have the decency to be born to parents who can afford to pay for treatment.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:32:20pm

re: #406 blueraven

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I forget Dinesh, who was convicted of an actual crime? Hint it was you and not Preet but nice try.

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:33:23pm

re: #414 thedopefishlives

My bad if I misunderstood. I read it as, Duke’s endorsement cements it as racist when it’s racist on its own and signifies no lack of self-awareness on Kings part because he knows exactly what he’s doing as does Duke.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:34:03pm

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He won’t though. His constituents would probably replace him with someone even more repulsive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:34:31pm
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BigPapa  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:34:34pm

It’s great to see Steven King getting notice for his racist Wilder’s loving tweets. But will anything come of it? He’s up for reelection in 2018.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:34:36pm

re: #421 JordanRules

My bad if I misunderstood. I read it as, Duke’s endorsement cements it as racist when it’s racist on its own and signifies no lack of self-awareness on Kings part because he knows exactly what he’s doing as does Duke.

King probably is the biggest racist in Congress. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:35:07pm

re: #424 BigPapa

It’s great to see Steven King getting notice for his racist Wilder’s loving tweets. But will anything come of it? He’s up for reelection in 2018.

It’d be nice to see him actually have to worry about getting re-elected.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:36:55pm

re: #421 JordanRules

My bad if I misunderstood. I read it as, Duke’s endorsement cements it as racist when it’s racist on its own and signifies no lack of self-awareness on Kings part because he knows exactly what he’s doing as does Duke.

No, you understood. I was saying that you brought me around to your way of thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:37:45pm

I have no doubt that King is one of those on Duke’s list that he claimed to have of GOP elected officials sympathetic to his cause.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:38:58pm

OT: It looks like Philly is going to get some snow. :(
weather.gov

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:40:02pm

re: #427 thedopefishlives

Ahhh! Gotcha ;)
Good shit!

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:44:22pm
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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:45:13pm

It’s crazy how often I vacillate from knowing this admin will go down sooner rather than later to knowing this admin exists in a perfect storm that will spare them.

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calochortus  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:45:44pm

What I don’t quite get with all this “our culture” stuff is, who cares? Enjoy your culture. Or someone else’s culture. Or a mix. There have never been greater opportunities to watch, eat, listen to, and participate in a variety of things, and find others who enjoy the same things you do.

True confessions: I don’t enjoy most jazz (please don’t hate me for this.) I don’t mind if other people like it. More power to ‘em if it makes their lives happier. I love Celtic and Eastern European traditional music, but you don’t have to.
My life is richer because there are people who enjoy things I don’t necessarily like because they bring a different perspective.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:45:52pm

Sometimes it just takes a moment to express something with a digital image…

I’m not trying to ‘cause a big s-s-sensation…
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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:46:26pm

King probably heard about Loving and was horrified.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:47:10pm

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:47:28pm

re: #432 JordanRules

It’s crazy how often I vacillate from knowing this admin will go down sooner rather then later to knowing this admin exists in a perfect storm that will spare them.

Yes. A perfect storm created them. But I think they will be brought down be their hubris and incompetence.

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:47:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:48:16pm

Steve King yesterday:

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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:48:47pm

re: #433 calochortus

What I don’t quite get with all this “our culture” stuff is, who cares? Enjoy your culture. Or someone else’s culture. Or a mix. There have never been greater opportunities to watch, eat, listen to, and participate in a variety of things, and find others who enjoy the same things you do.

True confessions: I don’t enjoy most jazz (please don’t hate me for this.) I don’t mind if other people like it. More power to ‘em if it makes their lives happier. I love Celtic and Eastern European traditional music, but you don’t have to.
My life is richer because there are people who enjoy things I don’t necessarily like because they bring a different perspective.

So much this. Updings forever.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:49:08pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve King yesterday:

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Uh huh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:49:50pm

re: #433 calochortus

What I don’t quite get with all this “our culture” stuff is, who cares? Enjoy your culture. Or someone else’s culture. Or a mix. There have never been greater opportunities to watch, eat, listen to, and participate in a variety of things, and find others who enjoy the same things you do.

True confessions: I don’t enjoy most jazz (please don’t hate me for this.) I don’t mind if other people like it. More power to ‘em if it makes their lives happier. I love Celtic and Eastern European traditional music, but you don’t have to.
My life is richer because there are people who enjoy things I don’t necessarily like because they bring a different perspective.

Wonderfully said.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:51:29pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve King yesterday:

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Translation: We can’t complete setting up our Klepto-Theo-Kakistocracy with people who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:53:24pm

Back.
Went to stock up on milk and half and half.
People can’t drive.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:55:22pm

re: #444 Varek Raith

Back.
Went to stock up on milk and half and half.
People can’t drive.

Well, yeah. But that’s a given.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:56:32pm

re: #445 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, yeah. But that’s a given.

And in clear weather, no less.
I dread to see them Tuesday morning.
Well, not really. I’ll be home. :)

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:58:07pm

The circle of white supremacists and nativists. Always intersecting with Trump, GOP, and right wingers.

This is not a coincidence.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:59:04pm

re: #436 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 12:59:44pm

re: #447 lawhawk

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The circle of white supremacists and nativists. Always intersecting with Trump, GOP, and right wingers.

This is not a coincidence.

But the KKK are liberals because of what parties were 150 years ago. //

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Timothy Watson  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:00:35pm

re: #446 Varek Raith

And in clear weather, no less.
I dread to see them Tuesday morning.
Well, not really. I’ll be home. :)

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!1! IT’S THE END OF DAYS!1!!

///

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allegro  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:01:00pm

re: #444 Varek Raith

Back.
Went to stock up on milk and half and half.
People can’t drive.

A little less than three months ago I traded in my Ford F150 Supercab for a Hyundai Sonata. It was immediately apparent that people drive differently around those two vehicles. Everyone was nice and courteous when I was driving my big truck. They are out to kill me in my small sedan.

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:03:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:03:30pm

Take a look at this frozen landscape! Cold temperatures helped to freeze the ocean waves that came ashore in New York. #NYwx

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calochortus  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:03:40pm

re: #451 allegro

A little less than three months ago I traded in my Ford F150 Supercab for a Hyundai Sonata. It was immediately apparent that people drive differently around those two vehicles. Everyone was nice and courteous when I was driving my big truck. They are out to kill me in my small sedan.

I know what you mean. I’ve been run off the road in my silver Prius (though I think that was lack of visibility rather than ill intent-and fortunately, there was a wide shoulder,) but still, I get more respect when I drive the Forester.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:04:08pm

re: #450 Timothy Watson

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!1! IT’S THE END OF DAYS!1!!

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Also the end of the thread apparently…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:04:17pm

re: #452 gocart mozart

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What? Wealthier peopel fare better under a Republican plan? What is this madness?

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:04:43pm

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

Haha, nope.
Nope.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:05:08pm

re: #450 Timothy Watson

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!1! IT’S THE END OF DAYS!1!!

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YouTube

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calochortus  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:05:52pm

Also the end of my lunch, so I’d better go do stuff.
BBL

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ipsos  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:08:05pm

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I know the guy who took that!

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Alephnaught  Mar 12, 2017 • 1:22:43pm

re: #342 allegro

So I spent 15+ hours over the past 3 days watching Der Ring Des Nibelungen, Wagner’s Ring Cycle epic opera(s). Hot damn, y’all. It’s Lord of the Rings written almost 50 years before Tolkien was born. I knew it was based in Nordic mythology but had no idea how fun it would be with Mean Girl Mermaids, giants, dwarfs in an underworld, dragon protecting gold and the magic dark power ring (sound familiar?), gods and goddesses, Valkyries (warrior goddesses who were all illegitimate daughters of Wotan aka Odin which made his wife, Fricka, Goddess of Marriage, quite testy). And incest, a brother/sister as husband/wife who are also the illegitimate twins (though mortal) sired by Wotan. He was a busy, horny guy. I loved him, particularly because he was played in this Met production by Brynn Terfel, my favorite baritone and all around lovable guy.

I know few will ever sit through this masterpiece but if you were ever tempted to check out opera, this could get ya hooked. It’s a trip.

I was lucky to see the most recent live performance of the whole thing in Scotland, which was Scottish Opera’s production at the Theatre Royal in Glasgow. It cost about £70 (Which was still amazingly good value, considering how much you got for it, and how it compares favourably to rock concert prices for even mid name acts.) and i had to take time out of work to fit it in, but it was worth it. Bryn Terfel was in this production as well, but he was playing Segfreid not Wotan. (Played by the excellent Mathew Best.)

However, the best of the cast to me was Elizabeth Byrne, who played Brunhilde. Like the rest of the Valkyries in this modernist production, she was styled as a sort of leather jacketed biker-cum-extreme sports fanatic mercenary for hire. (“Ride of the Valkyries” has them mountaineering up a small cliff face set to arrive at a peak complete with beer cooler.), however Brunhilde is more subtly styled, almost in the mode of kd Lang, about as far from the cliche from the old productions with a huge Brunhilde with brass brasseries​ as you could get. But from the moment she started singing, it was obvious who was leader of the pack.

I’ve seen the cine-cast of the Met’s production of the opening opera (“Take a toilet because it’s 2.5 hours uninterrupted.”) Das Rheingold, and, to be honest, i was a bit disappointed. Bryn Terfel was alright as Wotan, but didn’t quite have the same feeling of authority as Matthew Best. Actually, it was the guy playing Alberitch that impressed me the most- he was teasing.out elements of character in what I’d previously assumed to be a cartoon bad guy.

Actually, my main problem with that production wasn’t actually the cast as such. It was this set they had to work on. It seems like the kind of opera set that’s only really possible in a Met originated production. “Hey, we’re the Met! We the biggest venue for opera! How are we going to do the BIGGEST opera now? Budget be damned!”

And so, I’m watching some of the world’s most famous opera singers scurry like ants over a ludicrous practical special effect- a Met stage sized monstrosity, which at best looks like a lairy robotic xylophone. At some point, the cast have to hurry off to one half of the set while the other half raises up to become a wall on which some irrelevant holograms can be projected on. And some people, suspended on wires, walk up and down these walls, as of defying gravity You don’t really see much of that on cine-cast of course, as the main action is on the other half of the set. I expect, though, that the people that actually paid money for seats in the stalls to view this production might be impressed. Given the money they paid, they’d better be.

So, in other words, I’m glad for Scottish Opera for giving me a decent version of the Ring cycle.

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CleverToad  Mar 12, 2017 • 2:05:18pm

re: #454 calochortus

I know what you mean. I’ve been run off the road in my silver Prius (though I think that was lack of visibility rather than ill intent-and fortunately, there was a wide shoulder,) but still, I get more respect when I drive the Forester.

Cool, there’s somebody else with a Prius and a Forester? We got our little white Prius painted bright sunshine yellow a few years ago, which does seem to help the visibility a bit.

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Teukka  Mar 12, 2017 • 2:17:20pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What? doesn’t everyone begin their morning with coffee + vodka an a cig?////


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