Trumpcare Is a Massive Scam to Redistribute Wealth From the Poor to the Very Rich

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The Congressional Budget Office assessment of the Republican Party’s “American Health Care Act” (aka “Trumpcare”) is absolutely devastating. And Dylan Matthews at Vox has one of the best pieces I’ve seen on the intent of this horrible legislation: The GOP health plan is an act of class warfare by the rich against the poor.

The Congressional Budget Office’s assessment of Republicans’ plan to replace Obamacare is a description of one of the largest, most significant income redistribution programs the US government has ever considered — from the poor to the wealthy rather than the other way around.

The plan, the CBO concludes, would take more than $1 trillion away from programs targeting poor and middle-class families, to fund an $883 billion tax cut targeted at the wealthy. It is upward income redistribution of a truly massive scale.

“No legislation enacted in recent decades cut low-income programs this much — or even comes close,” Robert Greenstein, the founder and president of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and Washington’s leading advocate for poor and low-income Americans, says.

You should read the whole thing, because this isn’t just an empty claim. Matthews documents the scam very thoroughly. But here’s a taste of what’s in it:

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113 comments

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:52:25pm

When wealth is redistributed from the rich to the poor, Republicans and too many others that should know better scream about ‘class warfare’.

When wealth is redistributed from the poor to the rich, it’s business as usual.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:52:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:53:24pm

Yet Ryan is acting as if it is God’s gift to all mankind. He must think we’re all delusional.

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nines09  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:54:35pm

Almost enough to make a caring atheist pray there is a hell, no?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:55:56pm

Completely and utterly OT:

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:56:40pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Yet Ryan is acting as if it is God’s gift to all mankind. He must think we’re all delusional.

Ryan may be perfectly sincere in his belief that GOPDonTCare is God’s gift to all mankind.

All you have to do is define ‘all mankind’ as consisting only of the rich.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:57:12pm

When even Megan McArdle is calling bullshit on Trumpcare, you know it has to be fucking horrible beyond belief.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:57:30pm

The truly hilarious bit in all this? The Fox News crowd trying to insist that Ryan “pulled the wool over Trump’s eyes” and that this bill is totally not what Trump supports…even though he’s on record supporting it and is trying to poke Republicans into supporting it by saying the alternative is sitting and watching Obamacare “fail.”

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:57:59pm

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Yet Ryan is acting as if it is God’s gift to all mankind. He must think we’re all delusional.

He thinks that he’s God’s gift to mankind,

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:58:16pm

re: #4 nines09

Almost enough to make a caring atheist pray there is a hell, no?

Oh God, 10,000 times yes. It is physically painful for me to be unable to sincerely believe in an afterlife in which Republicans will, minimally, spend eternity hip-deep in molten lead.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:58:27pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

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From the same school of thought that says “Making abortion prohibitively expensive does not mean it’s banned, because you have the choice to get one or not.”

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Moebym  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:59:30pm

Every time I see Paul Ryan’s smirking face, I want to wipe it off.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:59:31pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

When even Megan McArdle is calling bullshit on Trumpcare, you know it has to be fucking horrible beyond belief.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 5:59:41pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

The truly hilarious bit in all this? The Fox News crowd trying to insist that Ryan “pulled the wool over Trump’s eyes” and that this bill is totally not what Trump supports…even though he’s on record supporting it and is trying to poke Republicans into supporting it by saying the alternative is sitting and watching Obamacare “fail.”

hey, I’m all for that…we’ll be sitting and watching for a very long time.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:00:09pm

re: #13 Moebym

Every time I see Paul Ryan’s smirking face, I want to wipe it off.

I can think of something better but Charles might put me in time out.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:02:04pm

re: #16 Ace Rothstein

I can think of something better but Charles might put me in time out.

Same here. I am trying to avoid getting overly…ahem…descriptive in my true feelings on some of these people.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:02:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:03:39pm

CNN Trump Sycophant Jeffery Lord: “We Don’t Trust Weathermen, So Why Should We Trust The CBO?”

JEFFERY LORD: Our friends at The Weekly Standard say that in 2010, the [Congressional Budget Office] said that 23 million would be enrolled through Obamacare by 2017. It’s now 2017, and that number is 9.2 million, which means they were off by 14 million — 48 percent. That kind of thing happens.

ANDERSON COOPER (HOST): Now what they say is that they didn’t realize that first of all, Medicare — that some of the states would opt out of the Medicare expansion.

LORD: Right, but that’s my point, Anderson. We don’t know what the weather is going to be. It’s going to snow, but how much? I mean, we don’t know. We don’t trust weathermen, so why should we trust the CBO? Not that they’re not good people, but this is the problem perpetually in Washington.

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:03:48pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey, I’m all for that…we’ll be sitting and watching for a very long time.

The GOP can make the ACA fail by killing the individual mandate. Simply refusing to enforce it will do that, and as far as I know, that is already done (tax penalty for not having coverage is now $0, IIRC).

However, the longer the ACA remains more or less intact (even though gutted), the longer the rich will be paying those ACA taxes. I’ll take what I can get at this point in time.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:04:18pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Cousinfuck, Appalachia. With its sister city Frogballs, Arkansas.

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nines09  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:04:20pm

re: #16 Ace Rothstein

I can think of something better but Charles might put me in time out.

You can always say that if Paul Ryan happened to be choking to death on a chicken bone, you would walk to get help. Let me check my Google map….hmmm……ok…there is a clinic a few blocks away……better head over…BRB, hang on….

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:05:01pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:05:02pm

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

Same here. I am trying to avoid getting overly…ahem…descriptive in my true feelings on some of these people.

Once thing is certainly true by now — there is no worse thing to call a decent human being than a “Republican” (in a US context).

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:07:04pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Is MSNBC trying to make sure Sanders fucks up the next election for Dems too?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:07:23pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

Is MSNBC trying to make sure Sanders fucks up the next election for Dems too?

Yes.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:07:29pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

Well, if you reduce your home costs by living in your car, or cardboard box….

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:07:57pm

No sympathy, the bernie supporters in WV shouldn’t have voted for the yam and King Coal just so they could stick it to hillz.
And that is exactly what they admitted that they did.

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:08:17pm

re: #22 nines09

You can always say that if Paul Ryan happened to be choking to death on a chicken bone, you would walk to get help. Let me check my Google map….hmmm……ok…there is a clinic a few blocks away……better head over…BRB, hang on….

You’re much kinder than I’d be. My instinct would be to set up a folding lawn chair and break out the popcorn as I made rude and profane inquiries into how Randian objectivism can best deal with a bone in the throat.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:08:33pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN Trump Sycophant Jeffery Lord: “We Don’t Trust Weathermen, So Why Should We Trust The CBO?”

The argument is becoming “We can’t trust the CBO because they didn’t account for GOP ratfuckery!” The same people who point to people who live in states where the Medicaid expansion never happened to say millions have been left uninsured by the ACA.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:10:06pm

CBO says this shit pile of a healthcare bill from the party of Fuckface Von Clownstick will cut our deficit by $330 billion over 10 years. We spend $600 billion annually on defense.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:10:52pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

CBO says this shit pile of a healthcare bill from the party of Fuckface Von Clownstick will cut our deficit by $330 billion over 10 years. We spend $600 billion annually on defense.

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Yep, but it’ll cut the deficit, and to the Republicans, that’s the hill that they will die upon when it comes to polishing this turd and selling it to the public.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:11:41pm

ICY didn’t click on the letter at Snopes

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:12:30pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No sympathy, the bernie supporters in WV shouldn’t have voted for the yam and King Coal just so they could stick it to hillz.
And that is exactly what they admitted that they did.

Fuck them all with rusty farm implements. Maybe they can go crawling off to their GOP overlords for health care of ass tetanus.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:13:33pm

The GOP conservatives have killed millions of foreigners to advance their various scams, and gotten away with it. I don’t think the wholesale murder of Americans, which this is, will stand though. There is going to be some very serious blowback, very serious.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:14:35pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Yes.

He’ll be caucusing with the Republicans within the year. He honestly thinks he can still be an American Commissar.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:15:19pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

The GOP conservatives have killed millions of foreigners to advance their various scams, and gotten away with it. I don’t think the wholesale murder of Americans, which this is, will stand though. There is going to be some very serious blowback, very serious.

I doubt that very much, sadly; I think most of the Trumpers who lose their health insurance and access to health care will be proud to Fall for Fuhrer and Fatherland. Better dead than (not) red (state).

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lawhawk  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:15:21pm

The 24 million who are losing their insurance aren’t opting out. They’re never going to be able to pay for the coverage because premiums will be out of reach even with the pittance of tax “credit” being offered.

How can someone making $25k afford insurance that would cost %50 or more of that income?

That’s not an option. That’s a death sentence.

You don’t have an option to buy car insurance. It’s a public benefit that everyone is insured so that the costs are distributed. Good drivers subsidize bad drivers, but good drivers benefit because even a good driver could get in an accident. And we criminalize driving without licenses too - with fines.

Health insurance also relies on a pool of good drivers - young and healthy people, which benefit because having a healthy population lifts all boats, and reduces costs in the long run. The GOP plan actually creates a built-in death spiral because only those who are sickest will stick with coverage despite the costs, and the 30% surcharge for interrupted coverage actually will mean that people wont pay unless they’re seriously ill and need care - or else they’ll go and get a medically induced bankruptcy after getting care they can’t afford.

The GOP also set it up so that the cuts and costs are back ended so that the deepest cuts are hardest, but by then the sickest people will have been stuck without coverage, so it’s another attempt to fudge the numbers in their favor.

But nothing can erase fact that GOP is dumping 24 million off coverage with no alternatives. 14 million in 2018 alone.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:15:35pm

Hey, I wonder why three of the storms have occurred in the last decade. Real head-scratcher.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:17:31pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:17:51pm

Imagine a guy who had Obamacare, but it is now dying of cancer because he doesn’t have insurance, and can’t possibly afford it under the new system. What is he going to do? Accept his designated place and die, as lepertarians and fake aristocrats advise, or something else? We are almost there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:18:57pm

I live in Appalachia.
All of these economically anxious voters can gain my sympathy if they turn out in 2018 and start flipping seats in Congress and in state houses.
All of this buyer’s remorse is getting on my last nerve, especially since WE TOLD YOU what was going to happen.

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Moebym  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:19:20pm

Those who tell us we can’t trust weathermen and the CBO, who base their reports off of facts, trust Trump, who bases his statements off of places like Breitbart, Alex Jones, and his ass.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:19:32pm

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

Imagine a guy who had Obamacare, but it is now dying of cancer because he doesn’t have insurance, and can’t possibly afford it under the new system. What is he going to do? Accept his designated place and die, as lepertarians and fake aristocrats advise, or something else? We are almost there.

If he’s white? Yep, he’ll gladly breathe his last as his lords command. The White Race (which also goes by the names Christianity and the Republican Party) is the only thing greater than him that he has ever known.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:19:53pm

what a complete cluster…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:20:44pm

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

Imagine a guy who had Obamacare, but it is now dying of cancer because he doesn’t have insurance, and can’t possibly afford it under the new system. What is he going to do? Accept his designated place and die, as lepertarians and fake aristocrats advise, or something else? We are almost there.

In Appalachia the prayer chains will be activated…

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:22:01pm

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

Imagine a guy who had Obamacare, but it is now dying of cancer because he doesn’t have insurance, and can’t possibly afford it under the new system. What is he going to do? Accept his designated place and die, as lepertarians and fake aristocrats advise, or something else? We are almost there.

That’s the basic idiocy of this whole thing. US plutocrats have it better then just about any ruling class ever, and all they really have to do to keep this going is to part with a small fraction of their untold wealth to keep the system limping along without failing too catastrophically.

But that was too much to ask. Instead they have financed a propaganda machine and political party that anyone could see would end up with some kind of deeply stupid fascism. Now all bets are off.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:22:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:23:32pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:26:44pm

From context, it’s pretty clear JPod can’t read a simple table. $1700 is the maximum cost to the 64 y.o. guy making 26,500 under the ACA. It’s $14,600 under the AHCA.

If you can’t read a simple table, you maybe should reconsider commenting on it.

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KingKenrod  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:27:35pm

Trump sent one of his toads out to trash Merkel.

I think it’s Kellyanne Conway, she’s used that “sequel” phrase before.

Here’s one time she used the phrase before:

investmentnews.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:28:00pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

The GOP can make the ACA fail by killing the individual mandate. Simply refusing to enforce it will do that, and as far as I know, that is already done (tax penalty for not having coverage is now $0, IIRC).

However, the longer the ACA remains more or less intact (even though gutted), the longer the rich will be paying those ACA taxes. I’ll take what I can get at this point in time.

Not enforcing the mandate won’t actually kill Obamacare, thanks to those pesky subsidies for the poor. It will, however, hurt upper middle class rural Trump voters whose premiums will go up.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:30:25pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:30:35pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

I live in Appalachia.
All of these economically anxious voters can gain my sympathy if they turn out in 2018 and start flipping seats in Congress and in state houses.
All of this buyer’s remorse is getting on my last nerve, especially since WE TOLD YOU what was going to happen.

Buyer’s remorse. Pffft.

How about being plain ignorant and fucking yourself over because you voted for the guy that was going to stick it to those you hate.

Your hate was used against you. If you have any remorse it is because you were conned and now you feel dumb…deservedly so.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:31:03pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:32:26pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

The GOP conservatives have killed millions of foreigners to advance their various scams, and gotten away with it. I don’t think the wholesale murder of Americans, which this is, will stand though. There is going to be some very serious blowback, very serious.

Which is why I’m pretty sure it will die. US Senators don’t get to run in safely gerrymandered districts, so even if Ryan can get the Freedom Caucus on board for this piece of crap, there are a bunch of US Senators who don’t want to run in 2018 having just canceled the health insurance of 14 million people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:32:42pm

welp…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:33:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:34:56pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:35:59pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN Trump Sycophant Jeffery Lord: “We Don’t Trust Weathermen, So Why Should We Trust The CBO?”

They sure liked it fine when the numbers could be used against Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:36:54pm
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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:38:19pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

Which is why I’m pretty sure it will die. US Senators don’t get to run in safely gerrymandered districts, so even if Ryan can get the Freedom Caucus on board for this piece of crap, there are a bunch of US Senators who don’t want to run in 2018 having just canceled the health insurance of 14 million people.

Nonsense. Most of them aren’t “people” to Republicans. And most of them don’t regard even other white people as people. Re-read Congressman King’s quote. He’s not just racist, he’s denying that he has any obligation whatsoever to anyone not related to him by blood. White people who want Republicans’ aid are just as SOL as anyone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:39:54pm

:D

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:40:10pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The GOP’s reason for pushing the idea the young people don’t need health insurance is twofold. First, it kills the ACA dead. Second, they get to feel superior to any young people who listened to them and didn’t buy health insurance, when said young people find a lump, or feel an unexpected pressure in their chest…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:40:49pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Demographics is destiny.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:41:06pm

Can you imagine a world filled with the spawn of David Duke and Steve King?

What a hell on earth that would be.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:41:19pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the asshole’s tweet:

Quit expecting the young & healthy to subsidize the already-chronically-ill and the old - especially when so many young are underemployed

That’s exactly how insurance works, you fuckwit. It’s like you don’t understand the first thing about, well, anything.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:41:40pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Can you imagine a world filled with the spawn of David Duke and Steve King?

What a hell on earth that would be.

They’d be killing each other within a day in the absence of any other enemies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:42:57pm

re: #67 thedopefishlives

From the asshole’s tweet:

That’s exactly how insurance works, you fuckwit. It’s like you don’t understand the first thing about, well, anything.

And AFAIK the young and healthy don’t stay young and healthy forever. It’s like saying that young people shouldn’t have to pay into Social Security because they’re not retired yet.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:43:08pm

I heard a profile on Geert Wilders on NPR today.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:43:33pm

re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White

And AFAIK the young and healthy don’t stay young and healthy forever. It’s like saying that young people shouldn’t have to pay into Social Security because they’re not retired yet.

But they’re entitled to collect from Social Security once they are…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:45:21pm

I really hope I’m overreacting, and the Trump presidency won’t actually be as disastrous as I think it will be if he somehow manages to last four years without being impeached or forced to resign.

I’m hoping that. But I’m seriously afraid it won’t work out that way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:45:21pm

FUCKERS

Facebook Post

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:45:27pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Anyone pointed that out to him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:46:13pm

and there it is…

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:47:38pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

and there it is…

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They were receptive to Bernie because he hated Hillary Clinton and was a white man. If he’d had the political platform of, say, Evan Bayh, he’d have gotten not only nearly the same number of voters, but nearly the same voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:47:44pm
NEW VIDEO: CBO says gutting of ObamaCare will cost 14-24M their insurance. Trump! This is life and death you bastard pic.twitter.com
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:51:22pm

In Ohio:

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:51:29pm

Anyone else notice that much of Professor Kelly’s home office space is taken up by a table that has nothing but his books very very neatly placed on it? Just saying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:52:42pm

I know I’ve said before that I love Julie:

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John_Manyjars  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:53:54pm

The mind boggles at the pure, evil greed exhibited by these (R) scum- it helps to remember that these ‘folks’ are the same types who would have given full-throated support to slavery back in the day (hell, today!).

Basically they are DiCaprio’s character in ‘Django Unchained’.

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cheeseheads  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:54:23pm

Still don’t get why Trump voters can’t figure out that they’re being fleeced when it comes to HC coverage.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:54:57pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a pompous ass.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:55:13pm

re: #82 cheeseheads

Still don’t get why Trump voters can’t figure out that they’re being fleeced when it comes to HC coverage.

They don’t care. Whiteness is their essence, and they’ll sacrifice anything to support it, even and especially themselves and their children.

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John_Manyjars  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:55:33pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even if it’s not death, at a minimum there is financial ruin, miserable quality of life, loss of house…

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John_Manyjars  Mar 13, 2017 • 6:59:16pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

This is a country, after all, that allowed Bush and his thugs to squat in the WH for 8 years while running it into the gutter.

tRump will serve out his un-earned term, IMHO.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:00:05pm

re: #82 cheeseheads

We have a new pledge, Lizards! Welcome!

Giphy

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:00:49pm

re: #82 cheeseheads

Still don’t get why Trump voters can’t figure out that they’re being fleeced when it comes to HC coverage.

Welcome, cheeseheads!

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:01:36pm

There’s that damned song in my head, again.

Les Misérables Cast - Do You Hear The People Sing?

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:01:59pm

re: #82 cheeseheads

Still don’t get why Trump voters can’t figure out that they’re being fleeced when it comes to HC coverage.

Blinded by hate.

By the way…welcome!

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:04:33pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Anyone else notice that much of Professor Kelly’s home office space is taken up by a table that has nothing but his books very very neatly placed on it? Just saying.

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Not sure if your comment should have sarc tags, but the ‘table’ is a bed. He’s trying to make it look less like a bed with the books.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:04:56pm

Boaty McBoatface—the infamous submarine that the internet voted to give a stupid-ass name—is setting off on its debut Antarctic expedition this week, Gizmodo reports.

[…]

Seeing as how a former reality star runs America and the EPA is helmed by a dude who’s one bad haircut away from being a Captain Planet villain, it’s only appropriate that a stupidly named submarine is going to play a pivotal role in understanding climate change. This is our world now.

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John_Manyjars  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:05:02pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

It’s actually over a $ trillion, when you count the Dept. of Energy (nukes) and ‘ongoing operations’ in IraqPak, vet benefits, etc.

I think the USSR showed us how this all turns out :(

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bratwurst  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:05:27pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:05:35pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Anyone else notice that much of Professor Kelly’s home office space is taken up by a table that has nothing but his books very very neatly placed on it? Just saying.

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That was probably staged for the interview.

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cheeseheads  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:05:47pm

Thanks everyone! I feel at home here.

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John_Manyjars  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:08:03pm

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

Yes- as if idiot GOP voters don’t take advantage of ‘subsidies’. Goddamn, look at the red state tax/government spending ratios.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:08:17pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know I’ve said before that I love Julie:

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Look at Chad’s profile. He’s a Milo wannabee. Asshat in training.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:09:59pm

re: #96 cheeseheads

Eh, that’s mostly the dilute MDMA we dabbed on your keyboard.

Remember to stay hydrated.

(You need you healthy enough to smuggle a suitcase full of panda meat to Cuba.)

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:10:03pm
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austin_blue  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:10:59pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow. Just wow. Olbermann is en fuego.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:11:26pm

re: #99 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

That shipment’s late. The last mule lost his shirt in Vegas yesterday at some damn auto race.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:14:05pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

That was probably staged for the interview.

No doubt, but it just struck me as odd.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:14:46pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

former reality star”? Oh ye of little faith. //

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:14:49pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Yeah. I’ve seen the Mad Max movies.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:15:43pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know I’ve said before that I love Julie:

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Chad’s argument seems to be in favor of stripping access to abortion from poor women by arguing that unwanted children born to those women might rise from poverty to be great and rich. I’d like to point out to Chad that there are millions of children living in poverty right now, and most of them will never be great because of all the opportunities they will be denied due to their impoverished state.

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austin_blue  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:15:45pm

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

There’s that damned song in my head, again.

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I sing it:

Do you hear the people sing
Singing the song of angry men
Jesus loves the little
Children of the world!

Drives She Who Must Be Obeyed to distraction.

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nines09  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:16:54pm

Well looky here…

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:17:39pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

It’s not hard to agree with the statement. It wasn’t all white people, but it definitely was white people who elected Trump. I’m an old white guy who voted for Hillary. I can pat myself on the back for that, but I can’t deny what the majority of old white guys did.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:21:35pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

That’s the basic idiocy of this whole thing. US plutocrats have it better then just about any ruling class ever, and all they really have to do to keep this going is to part with a small fraction of their untold wealth to keep the system limping along without failing too catastrophically.

But that was too much to ask. Instead they have financed a propaganda machine and political party that anyone could see would end up with some kind of deeply stupid fascism. Now all bets are off.

I recall reading years ago that FDR saved capitalism through his program to help the poor. There were stories of a potential coup planned by plutocrats because they were outrages by FDR’s proposals. In any case, that didn’t happen and capitalism survived.

And that was before Ayn Rand published her works to encourage the wealthy to become even less concerned about the well-being of those who have nothing. Let’s see what survives of this country if the GOP policies actually become law

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EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:22:36pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

If poverty is so wonderful, then why don’t we see Republicans taking vows of poverty?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 13, 2017 • 7:50:34pm

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

Wow. This shocked me. They’re awful in ways that you don’t even think of.

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majii  Mar 13, 2017 • 8:13:22pm

re: #29 EPR-radar
re: #22 nines09
” You can always say that if Paul Ryan happened to be choking to death on a chicken bone, you would walk to get help. Let me check my Google map….hmmm……ok…there is a clinic a few blocks away……better head over…BRB, hang on….”

“You’re much kinder than I’d be. My instinct would be to set up a folding lawn chair and break out the popcorn as I made rude and profane inquiries into how Randian objectivism can best deal with a bone in the throat.”

I’d also be sure to remind him that medical assistance is close by, therefore, he has “access” to it and should begin by pulling himself up by his bootstraps so he can begin taking steps in that direction.


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