Darren Wilson’s Civil Suit Testimony Sheds New Light on Michael Brown Shooting

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Some surprising new information has come out about the shooting of unarmed Ferguson 18-year old Michael Brown, in a civil suit against police officer Darren Wilson. First, as Wesley Lowery describes in his Washington Post article, Wilson admitted he and other officers used racial slurs to refer to African Americans.

But more importantly, one of the claims Wilson made in order to justify shooting Brown 10 times was that Brown had reached into Wilson’s police car and tried to grab his gun.

Ashley Yates posted a comparison of Wilson’s claim at the time, and the admission contained in the new testimony.

Here’s the full PDF document of Wilson’s testimony. It’s difficult not to conclude that a serious miscarriage of justice took place when he was not charged with any crimes in the shooting, when his main excuse for using deadly force is now admitted to be false.

UPDATE at 3/15/17 1:49:05 pm by Charles Johnson

Clarification: The new testimony doesn’t make this clear, but Wilson’s original testimony was that he drew his gun and then Brown tried to grab it from him. So while Wilson does admit Brown didn’t try to grab the gun while it was in his holster, it doesn’t contradict his original testimony.

When writing the post we originally referred back to the New York Times article that summarized Wilson’s original testimony, and this distinction wasn’t clear in that summary either. We apologize for getting this one wrong at first. Thanks to David Wong for pointing it out.

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196 comments

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:15:13pm

Just saddening and infuriating. There needs to be justice for Michael.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:16:19pm

The good news is double jeopardy isn’t here since Wilson was never acquitted. However, the bad news we have a DOJ that definitely wouldn’t be interested in bringing charges against Wilson at a federal level. I feel so awful for Michael’s family all over again.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:16:36pm

Well, I wonder what SMOTI has to say about that fake MRI now?

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:16:48pm

Unfortunately, it seems far too late for there to be anything done about this. The local prosecutor made it clear he’ll do all he can to protect cops like Wilson from their own fuck-ups and denigrate anyone who demands otherwise, and Sessions…enough said.

There will be no justice.

There is no justice.

We are No Country for Non-White Men. Same as it ever fucking was, and same as it ever fucking will be, with no hope for change otherwise. Because demanding that “is why Trump won”.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:18:13pm

Brown’s body and his fists, in particular, were considered so threatening, Wilson needed to draw his gun. I get why the answer was crafted that way, from a purely legal procedure standpoint, but when your best answer looks that bad, you’re boned (that’s a very precise bit of legal jargon there).

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:18:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:19:14pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon

Well, I wonder what SMOTI has to say about that fake MRI now?

He’ll lie again. When has SMOTI ever admitted to being wrong about anything?

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

re: #5 KGxvi

This recent study about perceptions of size etc seems appropriate.

independent.co.uk

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:23:34pm

OT: I know the Trump Voter hagiographies are overdone, and god knows I’m sick of them too. AT the same time…seeing it put like this (via digby), it feels like there’s going to be no breaking through whatsoever, and god help me, I don’t know how we fucking get around this (and reminder, this is a county that went Obama):

There was no buyer’s remorse. Despite the drama of the opening weeks, not one of the participants regretted voting for the president. They described Trump as sincere, complained about unfair media coverage and criticized protesters for not giving him a chance to do good things. They love that he remains politically incorrect. They remain confident that he is a strong leader who will shake up Washington, secure the border and bring back manufacturing jobs. Their faith is strong. Their doubts are sparse.

At the same time, no one in the focus groups trusted congressional Republicans to do the right thing, particularly on the economy and health care. The Trump/Obama voters were asked to react to pictures of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Among the responses: “shifty,” “they only look out for themselves,” and “like the CEOs.” They want these guys to support Trump and his agenda, not the other way around. Asked for impressions of Republicans generally, several volunteered that the party cares primarily about the rich.

Many of these voters could get behind Trump partly because they saw him as so distinct from the GOP. The defections by Republican leaders last fall, especially after the 2005 “Access Hollywood” tape came out, cemented the perception that he was his own man and not beholden to party bosses. “Nothing has happened that has broken their trust in him and their belief that they cast the right kind of vote,” Greenberg explained in an interview yesterday afternoon. “That doesn’t mean it won’t break at some point, but it gives him a lot of space for now. They also know regular Republicans were not with him. They’re very conscious of this.”

Also went into Health Care concerns and how blame will likely fall on the GOP if something happens, rather than Trump. Which makes me question my earlier preference for GOPDon’tCare over Trumpcare. Maybe we do need to hang it around Trump’s neck first and foremost.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:26:13pm

re: #9 Citizen K

Also went into Health Care concerns and how blame will likely fall on the GOP if something happens, rather than Trump. Which makes me question my earlier preference for GOPDon’tCare over Trumpcare. Maybe we do need to hang it around Trump’s neck first and foremost.

Try as we want, DT will insist that the GOP did a poor job, it was too long. Should have just contained six pages about banning lottery winners from coverage.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:26:59pm

Paging Nyet…

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:27:03pm

Much of the responsibility for the failure to prosecute Wilson goes to the prosecutor, Bob McCulloch, who was a pal of law enforcement and doesn’t appear to have ever found a case of police abuse worth prosecuting.

The fault also goes to the State Governor Jay Nixon and State AG who refused to intervene when there was good reason to believe that the local prosecutor wouldn’t seek justice in the case.

The way McCulloch handled the case was as though he stepped in the shoes of a defense attorney and dumped the evidence on a grand jury - basically setting it up for them to find no reason to bring charges.

This civil case is enlightening because of how it shows just how thoroughly screwed up the justice system is and how it was rigged/fixed against minorities who are victims of excessive force by law enforcement.

Wilson lied. He repeatedly lied. Law enforcement lied and covered for Wilson. His backers/supporters lied (including SMOTI’s explosive blowout fracture BS).

Michael Brown was jaywalking, and he died for it.

Wilson drove his police cruiser right up to Brown, to the point where Wilson couldn’t exit the car on his side without hitting Brown.

Wilson and his supporters lied about there being a struggle for Wilson’s gun (Question 38).

Wilson murdered Brown and got away with murder. The law enforcement and criminal justice system enabled this gross miscarriage of justice.

There is no other conclusion.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:27:49pm

re: #11 Mike Lamb

I @’d him when I posted about this in the last thread.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:28:12pm

re: #9 Citizen K

OT: I know the Trump Voter hagiographies are overdone, and god knows I’m sick of them too. AT the same time…seeing it put like this (via digby), it feels like there’s going to be no breaking through whatsoever, and god help me, I don’t know how we fucking get around this (and reminder, this is a county that went Obama):

Also went into Health Care concerns and how blame will likely fall on the GOP if something happens, rather than Trump. Which makes me question my earlier preference for GOPDon’tCare over Trumpcare. Maybe we do need to hang it around Trump’s neck first and foremost.

Trump isn’t running until 2020. We want to hang this around the neck of Republicans running in 2018.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:31:05pm

re: #9 Citizen K

To add on, from Jamelle Bouie:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:31:55pm

re: #9 Citizen K

OT: I know the Trump Voter hagiographies are overdone, and god knows I’m sick of them too. AT the same time…seeing it put like this (via digby), it feels like there’s going to be no breaking through whatsoever, and god help me, I don’t know how we fucking get around this (and reminder, this is a county that went Obama):

Also went into Health Care concerns and how blame will likely fall on the GOP if something happens, rather than Trump. Which makes me question my earlier preference for GOPDon’tCare over Trumpcare. Maybe we do need to hang it around Trump’s neck first and foremost.

I really wonder what it will honestly take for these voters to see that Trump doesn’t give a fuck about them? It’s funny that they see Ryan and McConnell as looking like CEOs when Trump has literally been nothing but that businessman archetype they cfaim to hate.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:32:25pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:33:08pm

re: #9 Citizen K

The Trump/Obama voters were asked to react to pictures of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Among the responses: “shifty,” “they only look out for themselves,” and “like the CEOs.” They want these guys to support Trump and his agenda, not the other way around. Asked for impressions of Republicans generally, several volunteered that the party cares primarily about the rich.

How do people this stupid get through the day without drowning in their drool?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:33:17pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Much of the responsibility for the failure to prosecute Wilson goes to the prosecutor, Bob McCulloch, who was a pal of law enforcement and doesn’t appear to have ever found a case of police abuse worth prosecuting.

The fault also goes to the State Governor Jay Nixon and State AG who refused to intervene when there was good reason to believe that the local prosecutor wouldn’t seek justice in the case.

The way McCulloch handled the case was as though he stepped in the shoes of a defense attorney and dumped the evidence on a grand jury - basically setting it up for them to find no reason to bring charges.

This civil case is enlightening because of how it shows just how thoroughly screwed up the justice system is and how it was rigged/fixed against minorities who are victims of excessive force by law enforcement.

Wilson lied. He repeatedly lied. Law enforcement lied and covered for Wilson. His backers/supporters lied (including SMOTI’s explosive blowout fracture BS).

Michael Brown was jaywalking, and he died for it.

Wilson drove his police cruiser right up to Brown, to the point where Wilson couldn’t exit the car on his side without hitting Brown.

Wilson and his supporters lied about there being a struggle for Wilson’s gun (Question 38).

Wilson murdered Brown and got away with murder. The law enforcement and criminal justice system enabled this gross miscarriage of justice.

There is no other conclusion.

McCulloch let his personal tragedy as the son of a fallen law enforcement officer get in the way of providing justice for all St. Louis County residents. He really seemed to see himself as the prosecutioral arm of the St. Louis County PD rather than the people’s prosecutor.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:33:53pm

I’ve gotten several notes today regarding IPhone IOS update 10.3. Don’t update. Currently some bugs with it. This is coming out of a Corp. IT dept.

That’s all I know at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:33:57pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

How do people this stupid get through the day without drowning in their drool?

I honestly do not know. And then you have the bros who think it’s as simple as running someone like Bernie to get to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:34:52pm

re: #17 Kragar

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:35:33pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I really wonder what it will honestly take for these voters to see that Trump doesn’t give a fuck about them? It’s funny that they see Ryan and McConnell as looking like CEOs when Trump has literally been nothing but that businessman archetype they cfaim to hate.

re: #18 Timothy Watson

How do people this stupid get through the day without drowning in their drool?

I honest to god don’t know. I don’t know how the fuck Trump actually got sold as some hero of the common man bullshit, when he’s literally a Golden Tower elite with dictator chic on everything he owns.

Just…fuck’s sake. Some people will fall for anything, and they vote. They vote and they handed all the fucking power to the GOP anyways. And I don’t know how we fix this before we’re all irreparably fucked.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:35:39pm

re: #12 lawhawk

In reading your overview, it struck me how much this is like the 45 Admin. The lying, institutional corruption, racism etc.

This is America.

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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:36:02pm

My parents bought a brand new car in December and yesterday, they were hit and the driver took off. They have a witness, but there’s about zero chance they’ll find him.

So, we’re stuck with a $500 deductible to get it fixed.

People suck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:36:13pm

re: #8 JordanRules

This recent study about perceptions of size etc seems appropriate.

independent.co.uk

I saw a FB post on this, read the linked CNN article, which also pointed to other studies which indicated that most people overestimate the age, and underestimate the innocence of black preteen and teen males relative to whites.

Then I looked at the top two comments on FB:

The first was “Teach your children not to break the law and to comply with police and you won’t have to worry!”

The second took CNN to task for posting the article, which would only serve to divide us more.

“Fucking hell,” I thought, “What’s the point?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:36:49pm

re: #23 Citizen K

I honest to god don’t know. I don’t know how the fuck Trump actually got sold as some hero of the common man bullshit, when he’s literally a Golden Tower elite with dictator chic on everything he owns.

Just…fuck’s sake. Some people will fall for anything, and they vote. They vote and they handed all the fucking power to the GOP anyways. And I don’t know how we fix this before we’re all irreparably fucked.

Really Trump to me is the ultimate example of the rich asshole who only gives a fuck about himself. I just don’t get how he’s become the working class’s hero. Then again, a lot of these working class whites especially have their own resentments that have nothing to do with economics that Trump exploited perfectly.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:38:20pm

re: #17 Kragar

Paul Verhoeven was ahead of his time.

But one thing that will prevent the EPA rollout from being a complete disaster? That the rest of the world is pushing ahead with higher fuel economy standards too. Another is that CA emissions standards also help keep everything from completely sliding backwards.

Car makers wont start putting gas guzzlers back on the market, but they might slow their release in the US. An oil crisis, however, might force the hand (just as it left US automakers flatfooted in the 1970s against foreign cars with higher fuel economy).

Trump also thinks we’d benefit from higher oil prices. Only ones who benefit from that nonsense are the energy companies and the countries that rely most on oil - Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia among others. A few states might also benefit, like Alaska, Oklahoma, Wyoming, N&S Dakota, and Texas but everyone else gets boned (legal term).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:38:30pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Really Trump to me is the ultimate example of the rich asshole who only gives a fuck about himself. I just don’t get how he’s become the working class’s hero. Then again, a lot of these working class whites especially have their own resentments that have nothing to do with economics that Trump exploited perfectly.

They hate politicians and politics as usual. Trump sold himself as the ultimate outsider and anti-politician, and that allowed him to ignore or violate nearly every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and still prevail.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:39:20pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m having one of those ‘Whats the damn point’ days today. There will be some cognac in my future.

How are those new planets they found coming along?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:39:38pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a FB post on this, read the linked CNN article, which also pointed to other studies which indicated that most people overestimate the age, and underestimate the innocence of black preteen and teen males relative to whites.

Then I looked at the top two comments on FB:

The first was “Teach your children not to break the law and to comply with police and you won’t have to worry!”

The second took CNN to task for posting the article, which would only serve to divide us more.

“Fucking hell,” I thought, “What’s the point?”

You can’t see a post from ESPN, CNN, or whoever without a bunch of clueless whites complaining about crying about “attempting to divide us.” There was an article today on the discrimination that many Dominicans of Haitian descent receive and I had to see that crap again. I had a nice conversation the other day with my SiL’s older sister about colorism. She had posted a video about how colorism is present in telenovelas (those Latin American Soap Operas FWIW). I told her that I flat out don’t get it. I for one don’t see my white skin and predominately European origins as proof I’m superior to anyone. It’s just what I am. My ancestors were predominately European. So be it.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:40:29pm

re: #17 Kragar

When do the automakers bring out their new Trump special edition Rolling Coal models?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:40:37pm

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They hate politicians and politics as usual. Trump sold himself as the ultimate outsider and anti-politician, and that allowed him to ignore or violate nearly every rule and convention of politics and campaigning and still prevail.

They claim to hate politics as usual but they also gave a resounding yes to keep the Congressional controlling party. So much of their proclaimed hatred for politics and politicians is bullshit. A lot of them just want people who look and think like them in office.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:40:40pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:41:44pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

They claim to hate politics as usual but they also gave a resounding yes to keep the Congressional controlling party. So much of their proclaimed hatred for politics and politicians is bullshit. A lot of them just want people who look and think like them in office.

Because the GOP sells itself as the governing party that hates government and wants to end its role in your life. And they buy into that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:41:54pm

Um… Trump laments that we no longer build “one B-24 bomber every hour.” Because there’s not a WORLD WAR.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:42:54pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a FB post on this, read the linked CNN article, which also pointed to other studies which indicated that most people overestimate the age, and underestimate the innocence of black preteen and teen males relative to whites.

Then I looked at the top two comments on FB:

The first was “Teach your children not to break the law and to comply with police and you won’t have to worry!”

The second took CNN to task for posting the article, which would only serve to divide us more.

“Fucking hell,” I thought, “What’s the point?”

And again, I don’t know how to change that, or if we ever will. Racial resentment and rage seems to be hitting a fever pitch and we’re not even at it’s peak yet, most likely. And more men will die, justified because they looked SOOOOO scary, and people will find excuses for their deaths no matter what.

And it makes me fucking want to cry.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:43:24pm

re: #14 Big Beautiful Door

Trump isn’t running until 2020. We want to hang this around the neck of Republicans running in 2018.

I wouldn’t let Ayn Rand Paul Ryan off the hook for a second. This is entirely his doing and that of the GOP rank-and-file.

Trump is but a symptom of the problem, and honestly, if Trump Voter has no buyers remorse now, they’ll never have it… unless they get forcibly deprogrammed or get a conscience.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:43:26pm

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because the GOP sells itself as the governing party that hates government and wants to end its role in your life. And they buy into that.

But at the same time, they do want the government in their lives when it comes to “bringing back their jobs” or whatever. They’re nothing but goddamn hypocrites when it comes to the role of government.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:43:29pm

Here’s Trump’s “We don’t need friends abroad” quote, in reference to trade deficits

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:43:45pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Bingo!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:43:54pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

You can’t see a post from ESPN, CNN, or whoever without a bunch of clueless whites complaining about crying about “attempting to divide us.” There was an article today on the discrimination that many Dominicans of Haitian descent receive and I had to see that crap again. I had a nice conversation the other day with my SiL’s older sister about colorism. She had posted a video about how colorism is present in telenovelas (those Latin American Soap Operas FWIW). I told her that I flat out don’t get it. I for one don’t see my white skin and predominately European origins as proof I’m superior to anyone. It’s just what I am. My ancestors were predominately European. So be it.

So many white people react with a sort of cognitive dissonance to any sort of discussion of racism. Just the idea that discrimination exists and that people are affected negatively by it gets them all defensive.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:44:07pm

“First they came for the First Nations…”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:44:39pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah a war economy is totally different than what we’re in now. What a fucking load.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:44:41pm

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are fine with a government that only benefits them.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:45:02pm

re: #43 Myron Falwell

[Embedded content]

“First they came for the First Nations…”

All my SD relatives will probably cheer this news. Sickening.

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:45:03pm

If by some chance Democrats sweep into control of Congress in 2018, the mantra will have to be: MAFA.

Make America Function Again.

Oh and they will need to grow a spine too.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:45:50pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s more of a dumbass regurgitating RWNJ talking points than he is a warmonger.

And TBH, that’s even more terrifying.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:45:52pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s not forget that this is a shitstain who has no friends. None.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:45:54pm

I’m just legitimately at a despair point right now. I literally don’t know what the fuck we can do anymore. There seems like nothing that can be done that won’t get turned around to make things fucking worse either because people are so invested on either protecting Trump or being contrarian against liberals just because spiting Liberals and minorities has become all proof of ‘Real Americans’.

I don’t fucking know what we do anymore. I’m goddamn terrified and depressed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:46:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:47:56pm

re: #42 A wild WITHAK appeared!

So many white people react with a sort of cognitive dissonance to any sort of discussion of racism. Just the idea that discrimination exists and that people are affected negatively by it gets them all defensive.

It’s not even just white conservatives that do it. A lot of white people just don’t want to admit that we especially white males have had a lot of inborn societal advantages that people of color and women have never had. And as you get at, it makes them rage. Yes, your ancestors may not have owned slaves. Mine I know did not but at the same time, I know that my ancestors never had to worry if they said something wrong to a white native, they would have to worry about being lynching. The lives that African-Americans lived for much of our country’s history was something horrifying. While America was the land of opportunity, to many European immigrants and their descendants, it became a land of contradictions for racial minorities.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:48:06pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a boom for commuters.

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:48:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:48:26pm

Honest reply here. Fuck Trump voters. They made this mess worse.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:49:27pm

re: #50 Citizen K

I feel exactly the same Citizen K.

And I think they will literally try to erase Obama’s legacy and it’s so important​ to me and so many.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:50:18pm

re: #56 JordanRules

I feel exactly the same Citizen K.

And I think they will literally try to erase Obama’s legacy and it’s so important​ to me and so many.

They won’t stop there; they want to wipe out all the gains we have made since the New Deal.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:51:20pm

re: #56 JordanRules

I feel exactly the same Citizen K.

And I think they will literally try to erase Obama’s legacy and it’s so important​ to me and so many.

Obama’s going to take his break, but I bet you anything he’s going to be visible & vocal in the future.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:51:46pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

Reading pressers isn’t how you bone up. More to the point, if you’re a diplomatic envoy (that’s what this guy would be), you have access to State Department files on everyone and the issues involved, and that’s far more relevant. Sure you can refer to some of these other sources, but those are often guided not by diplomacy but a specific point of view that doesn’t reflect official US policy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:52:27pm

One of the few other whites I feel even in my own family which is generally pretty liberal is my one brother. My brother I think gets it more than most other white people I’ve talked to. I don’t know if it’s because he’s had a lot of racial minority friends over the years or that he has an unique empathy for understanding people different than Anglo upper class white kids than us but he gets it. He gets that what so many other whites dismiss as ancient history really wasn’t that long ago. He’s also one of the most genuinely empathetic people I know when it comes to indigenous people not just here in the U.S, but globally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:52:31pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Obama’s going to take his break, but I bet you anything he’s going to be visible & vocal in the future.

How can he when he is immersed in the cavernous recesses of the Deep State?

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:52:33pm

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh yeah, that’s always been the goal of the right. I mean, erase the black POTUS and what he did from the record or somehow retroactively and formally delegitimize him. I put nothing past them at this point. Look at what we’ve seen so far.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:52:46pm

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They won’t stop there; they want to wipe out all the gains we have made since the New Deal.

That’s Ryan’s real goal.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:53:45pm

re: #56 JordanRules

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let’s just call them out for what they are.

Nihilists.

Well, more to a point… they are white supremacist nihilists who corrupted a religion and a whole block of people. Their only purpose now is not to destroy President Obama’s legacy, or the New Deal legacy… they just want to destroy everything and ruin everyone’s lives.

France saw the same fucking thing in the 1790s with the Jacobins.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:53:59pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

I agree and he’s going to be great! I also think it will power their fervor to delete him as a POTUS.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:54:08pm

re: #50 Citizen K

I’m just legitimately at a despair point right now. I literally don’t know what the fuck we can do anymore. There seems like nothing that can be done that won’t get turned around to make things fucking worse either because people are so invested on either protecting Trump or being contrarian against liberals just because spiting Liberals and minorities has become all proof of ‘Real Americans’.

I don’t fucking know what we do anymore. I’m goddamn terrified and depressed.

The cure is work. Engage in the long, slow, planned effort to rebuild the only possible instrument that could displace the Trumpisti. That’s the damaged, corrupt, human Democratic Party. Work for the unexciting old crap like solidarity, party discipline, voters’ rights, and GOTV.

It will be harder and more expensive because we just blew a free-throw.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:55:42pm

re: #64 Myron Falwell

Let’s just call them out for what they are.

Nihilists.

Well, more to a point… they are white supremacist nihilists who corrupted a religion and a whole block of people.

There is a vein of that at the very heart of the Trumpire. They see him as the perfect tool to bring about the downfall of the government and replace it with corporistocracy, which they see as the most just form of human government.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:57:03pm

I lost a “Conservative” friend over this when, like all of them, he turned out to be a right-wing authoritarian who believed anything Wilson claimed, and wanted the cops to kill protesters for “rioting”. Wingnut media creates monsters.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:57:49pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

The only thing that is keeping this from getting any worse is the fact that the GOP House and Senate are so fucking dysfunctional.

And I would easily say that Rafael Cruz in Trump’s position would be infinitely more damaging, because he wouldn’t be shooting himself in the foot AND would know how the government functions.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:58:14pm

re: #68 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I lost a “Conservative” friend over this when, like all of them, he turned out to be a right-wing authoritarian who believed anything Wilson claimed, and wanted the cops to kill protesters for “rioting”. Wingnut media creates monsters.

I haven’t lost my friend over this stuff but I have lost a lot of respect for a good friend who has become a wingnut bullshit parrot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:58:44pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Really Trump to me is the ultimate example of the rich asshole who only gives a fuck about himself. I just don’t get how he’s become the working class’s hero. Then again, a lot of these working class whites especially have their own resentments that have nothing to do with economics that Trump exploited perfectly.

Well, really, it’s more the white people’s hero. Or even more specifically, the hero of people to whom being white is important. Looked at that way, it makes sense.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:59:13pm

re: #69 Myron Falwell

The only thing that is keeping this from getting any worse is the fact that the GOP House and Senate are so fucking dysfunctional.

And I would easily say that Rafael Cruz in Trump’s position would be infinitely more damaging, because he wouldn’t be shooting himself in the foot AND would know how the government functions.

Yup. Trump might possibly turn out to be some kind of perverse historical ‘gift’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 12:59:36pm

“The Russians have been at this for a long time,” @SenWhitehouse (D-RI) says at hearing. “They’ve adapted old methods to new technology.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:00:03pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gah! This stupid asshole is destroying all the international goodwill we’ve spent years building.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:00:09pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

The cure is work. Engage in the long, slow, planned effort to rebuild the only possible instrument that could displace the Trumpisti. That’s the damaged, corrupt, human Democratic Party. Work for the unexciting old crap like solidarity, party discipline, voters’ rights, and GOTV.

It will be harder and more expensive because we just blew a free-throw.

But that’s the thing. I’m not convinced anymore that all of that can do any more than slow the bleeding. I’m terrified that we’ve already gone beyond the tipping point of being able to stop anything.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:01:26pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, really, it’s more the white people’s hero. Or even more specifically, the hero of people to whom being white is important. Looked at that way, it makes sense.

Yeah that’s very true.

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Interesting Times  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:01:37pm

re: #15 Citizen K

To add on, from Jamelle Bouie:

Actually, re-read the third paragraph in the screengrab. There’s a ray of light in that dungheap of derp. Find a democrat who can push that kind of populism and LINK it to anti-racism instead of the opposite (I can’t find it now, which is terribly frustrating, but I could’ve sworn there was a quote from Martin Luther King, aimed at the infamous WWC, to the effect of, “we’re marching for you too” - see these signs for what that looks like)

And no, I don’t buy Bouie’s implication in the tweet that those Dems are seen as different from Obama due to skin color alone. HRC was white, and fat lot of good it did her. Plus TPP, which those voters hated and Obama created :/

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:01:51pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Donald Trump is the fantasy of power and authority without consequence or confining mores.

His appeal is aesthetic, not political: how he makes them feel about themselves and their relation to the world.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:02:48pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Gah! This stupid asshole is destroying all the international goodwill we’ve spent years building.

What I’m going to look for in a 2020 candidate is someone who has great soft political skills. Someone who knows how to get on with people. I think honestly that’s part of the reason why I’ve never been a Sanders fan TBH. I would never call him personable in the way I would Obama or Biden.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:02:54pm

re: #54 Jack Burton

I’ve always liked this one:

Philosfyzing with Bender

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:02:56pm

re: #75 Citizen K

But that’s the thing. I’m not convinced anymore that all of that can do any more than slow the bleeding. I’m terrified that we’ve already gone beyond the tipping point of being able to stop anything.

That is my concern as well. That all started when educational standards plummeted in the 80’s and we started turning out generations of people who do not understand how science, history, commerce or government work beyond their own narrow perspective.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:03:30pm

re: #75 Citizen K

But that’s the thing. I’m not convinced anymore that all of that can do any more than slow the bleeding. I’m terrified that we’ve already gone beyond the tipping point of being able to stop anything.

We were 80,000 or so votes from avoiding all this. Overthinking and under-acting got us to this point. If we lose the next 3 cycles, it’s still a thousand-year war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:04:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:05:13pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Really Trump to me is the ultimate example of the rich asshole who only gives a fuck about himself. I just don’t get how he’s become the working class’s hero. Then again, a lot of these working class whites especially have their own resentments that have nothing to do with economics that Trump exploited perfectly.

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:05:26pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

Actually, re-read the third paragraph in the screengrab. There’s a ray of light in that dungheap of derp. Find a democrat who can push that kind of populism and LINK it to anti-racism instead of the opposite (I can’t find it now, which is terribly frustrating, but I could’ve sworn there was a quote from Martin Luther King, aimed at the infamous WWC, to the effect of, “we’re marching for you too” - see these signs for what that looks like)

And no, I don’t buy Bouie’s implication in the tweet that those Dems are seen as different from Obama due to skin color alone. HRC was white, and fat lot of good it did her. Plus TPP, which those voters hated and Obama created :/

I am just tbh seeing their belief on that as an excuse. More populist candidates than Clinton actually underpolled her. I do agree that we need to be able to sell economic populism in a way that tells these voters about racial equality too but at the same time, I think a lot of modern populism wants to portray a false narrative of what the economy really is and I think lefty populists such as Sanders are just are gullible in not understanding it as right wing ones. Also, in 2008, Hillary actually was quite popular with working class white voters and she was much more moderate then she is now.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:06:25pm

re: #34 Kragar

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Do you think Trump has any fucking clue what rolling back mileage requirements will do to companies like Ford, GM, etc.? Sure, gas prices are manageable right now, but that’s not going to last forever.

But it’s not just Trump—it feels incredibly short sighted for some of the automakers that are pushing for a rollback.

Whatever…Honda/Toyota it is then…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:07:11pm

Until the white working class realizes that standing up for choice, LGBT rights, and better health and education for ALL is as vital to progressivism as standing up for better wages, better working conditions, and more affordable education/health care, then we’re going to struggle with them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:07:20pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:09:30pm

re: #43 Myron Falwell

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“First they came for the First Nations…”

I just donated to the Sacred Stone Legal Defense Fund.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:09:45pm

I’m not anti working class concerns by the way. I am anti letting the white working class think only their concerns are valid and that’s exactly what this new populism has done. We always talk about the WHITE WORKING CLASS. We never acknowledge minority working class folks who are among the party’s backbone, the folks that keep the spirit of trade labor alive, and comprise many of our nation’s immigrants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:09:56pm
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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:09:58pm
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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:10:47pm

Actually Wilson had not claimed that Brown tried to grab his holstered gun the first time either.

In this deposition he “admits” something that is compatible with his previous testimony:

Consequently, while the assault was in progress and Brown was leaning in through the window with his arms, torso, and head inside the SUV, Wilson withdrew his gun and pointed it at Brown. Wilson warned Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown stated, “You are too much of a pussy to shoot,”5 and put his right hand6 over Wilson’s right hand, gaining control of the gun. Brown then maneuvered the gun so that it was pointed down at Wilson’s left hip. Wilson explained that Brown’s size and strength, coupled with his standing position outside the SUV relative to Wilson’s seated position inside the SUV, rendered Wilson completely vulnerable
4

Therefore the conclusions of the DOJ report stand.

By the way, the woman who posted that misleading tweet has “Assata taught me” as her twitter background. This refers to a person on the FBI’s most wanted terrorists list.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:10:54pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fingers crossed. Really hoping Wildders loses big. I’m going to be in Amsterdam for a few days this summer.

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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:11:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:12:21pm

re: #95 Jenner7

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I really waiting for someone to go Joseph Welch on him and do what Welch did to McCarthy to him. He needs to be exposed before the nation as a shameless liar.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:12:22pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:13:21pm

re: #95 Jenner7
Shorter Trump:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:14:05pm

re: #98 KGxvi

Shorter Trump:

was just looking for that quote

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:14:07pm

re: #97 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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What the fuck does Rand have against Montenegro? If they want to join, I don’t see why not.I have to say, one thing I do appreciate about Bush’s administration is they did reach out to many former Warsaw Pact nations. I mean I didn’t agree with Poland or Slovakia’s decision to join the Coalition of the Willing but I appreciate that they were seen as allies.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:15:31pm

re: #95 Jenner7

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I have a bad feeling about this.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:15:36pm

Sanity break

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Bubblehead II  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:16:04pm

OT. We have another Space X launch tonight/tomorrow morning (depending upon where you are).

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:16:26pm

re: #86 Mike Lamb

Do you think Trump has any fucking clue what rolling back mileage requirements will do to companies like Ford, GM, etc.? Sure, gas prices are manageable right now, but that’s not going to last forever.

Of course not. He’s an idiot, a dunce, a mental midget. Dumb as a box of hair.

Oh and Russia’s economy sure could use $100/bbl + oil again.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:17:43pm

re: #86 Mike Lamb

Do you think Trump has any fucking clue what rolling back mileage requirements will do to companies like Ford, GM, etc.? Sure, gas prices are manageable right now, but that’s not going to last forever.

But it’s not just Trump—it feels incredibly short sighted for some of the automakers that are pushing for a rollback.

Whatever…Honda/Toyota it is then…

Look at dumbass Sergio who heads FCA, he’s not exactly bright either when churning out Jeep after Jeep in a blind assumption about low fuel prices being the mainstay FOREVER AND EVER

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:20:57pm

re: #97 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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Jeez. Here’s McCain, on Senate floor, saying Rand Paul “is now working for Vladimir Putin” after Rand opposed a bill

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Bubblehead II  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:21:07pm

New Olbermann.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:21:57pm
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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:22:31pm

re: #105 electrotek

FCA. Ferengi Commerce Authority?

/

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:23:01pm

re: #109 Jack Burton

FCA. Ferengi Commerce Authority?

/

FCA = Fiat Chrysler Automobiles

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:24:35pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:25:11pm

Price of oil goes up…who gets blame? Obama, for not drilling/fracking/building more pipelines. Who benefits? Putin, Saudi Arabia, and oil companies.

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Franklin  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:25:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:26:18pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:26:37pm

re: #75 Citizen K

But that’s the thing. I’m not convinced anymore that all of that can do any more than slow the bleeding. I’m terrified that we’ve already gone beyond the tipping point of being able to stop anything.

What needs to be attempted vs. Trump and the Republicans doesn’t change depending on whether or not one has faith that it will succeed.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:28:06pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Someone check his ass and see if his Nixon tattoo is okay.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:28:11pm

re: #105 electrotek

Look at dumbass Sergio who heads FCA, he’s not exactly bright either when churning out Jeep after Jeep in a blind assumption about low fuel prices being the mainstay FOREVER AND EVER

He’s churning out Jeep after Jeep because they’re selling, everywhere. You know what ISN’T selling, at least not in America? Fiat 500s. Chrysler 200s, and Dodge Darts. You know, the cars that have good gas mileage.

The 200s and Darts aren’t bad cars. They’re just competing in a class already full of other cars like Corollas and Camrys.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:30:08pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s churning out Jeep after Jeep because they’re selling, everywhere. You know what ISN’T selling, at least not in America? Fiat 500s. Chrysler 200s, and Dodge Darts. You know, the cars that have good gas mileage.

The 200s and Darts aren’t bad cars. They’re just competing in a class already full of other cars like Corollas and Camrys.

They’re not bad cars, but compared to the competition, they are lacking.

And I say this as someone who had high hopes for the Dart as it was based on architecture that forms the chassis of the Alfa Romeo MiTo’s.

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:30:32pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s churning out Jeep after Jeep because they’re selling, everywhere. You know what ISN’T selling, at least not in America? Fiat 500s. Chrysler 200s, and Dodge Darts. You know, the cars that have good gas mileage.

The 200s and Darts aren’t bad cars. They’re just competing in a class already full of other cars like Corollas and Camrys.

And how long did it take them to fix all the damn transmission problems Jeeps were having? (assuming they are fixed finally)

Yet people were buying them like mad.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:34:00pm

re: #113 Franklin

I’ve thankfully never been in that kind of position, but I have seen express trains run through my station at speed and kick up massive amounts of dust/snow in their wake.

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jeffreyw  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:34:16pm

Imgur
Cookies, y’all.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:34:55pm

re: #119 Jack Burton

And how long did it take them to fix all the damn transmission problems Jeeps were having? (assuming they are fixed finally)

Yet people were buying them mad.

That’s why I’d rather get a 2017 Nissan Armada (which is the same thing as an internationally-marketed Patrol but with fewer features to justify the cheaper pricetag).

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:34:57pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:35:14pm

re: #121 jeffreyw

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Cookies, y’all.

It looks like you brought enough for the whole class!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:37:45pm

re: #118 electrotek

They’re not bad cars, but compared to the competition, they are lacking.

And I say this as someone who had high hopes for the Dart as it was based on architecture that forms the chassis of the Alfa Romeo MiTo’s.

The Corolla and Camry classes are the biggest part of the market, and the hardest to compete in. The big players are too well established to move, and these are the segments where buyers are least likely to take a chance on a less-known name. FCA has years of shitty Detroit cars to overcome, without pockets as deep as GM or Ford.

So FCA goes with what what sells - muscle cars from Dodge, minivans from Chrysler, SUVs from Jeep, trucks from Ram.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:37:49pm

I could be horribly wrong here, but isn’t the oil market far more likely to implode upon itself due to a massive inventory glut? That is far, far more likely than $100/barrel.

And if the price somehow gets to $100/barrel, oh hai, recession/stagflation.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:38:39pm

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

The Corolla and Camry classes are the biggest part of the market, and the hardest to compete in. The big players are too well established to move, and these are the segments where buyers are least likely to take a chance on a less-known name. FCA has years of shitty Detroit cars to overcome, without pockets as deep as GM or Ford.

So FCA goes with what what sells - muscle cars from Dodge, minivans from Chrysler, SUVs from Jeep, trucks from Ram.

Don’t forget the image of Italian cars, i.e. Fix It Again Tony

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:38:53pm

re: #105 electrotek

Look at dumbass Sergio who heads FCA, he’s not exactly bright either when churning out Jeep after Jeep in a blind assumption about low fuel prices being the mainstay FOREVER AND EVER

Toledo is going to be hurting when FCA/Jeep goes under again… only this time, with no one to save them.

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:38:53pm

re: #122 electrotek

That’s why I’d rather get a 2017 Nissan Armada (which is the same thing as an internationally-marketed Patrol but with fewer features to justify the cheaper pricetag).

I’m very much against these quasi-SUVs.

Actually off-roading or camping in these things is totally a pipe-dream. If you need to haul shit buy a truck. If you have a bunch of kids to drag to school swallow your pride and get a minivan or a large sedan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:39:06pm

re: #119 Jack Burton

And how long did it take them to fix all the damn transmission problems Jeeps were having? (assuming they are fixed finally)

Yet people were buying them mad.

You mean the shifters? They’d been superceded before the problem became widely known, AFAIK.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:39:21pm
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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:40:21pm

re: #129 Jack Burton

I’m very much against these quasi-SUVs.

Actually off-roading or camping in these things is totally a pipe-dream. If you need to haul shit buy a truck. If you have a bunch of kids to drag to school swallow your pride and get a minivan or a large sedan.

The Nissan Armada is a Nissan Patrol, which is used by the UN and other organizations along with the Land Cruiser.

It’s the real deal. But I do agree with you that a full-size SUV for basic activities is WAY overkill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:41:27pm

something for Stanley Sea:

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Interesting Times  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:41:38pm

Snerk:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:42:58pm

re: #126 Myron Falwell

I could be horribly wrong here, but isn’t the oil market far more likely to implode upon itself due to a massive inventory glut? That is far, far more likely than $100/barrel.

And if the price somehow gets to $100/barrel, oh hai, recession/stagflation.

Lots of other things can spike the price of oil, like, say, a conflict in or near the Persian Gulf…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:43:52pm

re: #132 electrotek

The Nissan Armada is a Nissan Patrol, which is used by the UN and other organizations along with the Land Cruiser.

It’s the real deal. But I do agree with you that a full-size SUV for basic activities is WAY overkill.

Well if the UN uses it…

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:43:56pm
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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:44:47pm
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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:45:17pm

re: #136 Timothy Watson

Well if the UN uses it…

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Same with Land Cruisers heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:45:38pm

re: #113 Franklin

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:45:48pm

re: #9 Citizen K

Which makes me question my earlier preference for GOPDon’tCare over Trumpcare. Maybe we do need to hang it around Trump’s neck first and foremost.

Just a Reminder.

GOPDonTCare.

Covers trump and the party. The DonT should be there instead of Don’t.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:46:04pm

re: #138 Kragar

JUST IN: Exit polls show Dutch far-right leader Geert Wilders losing badly

He can still win the Eeljectorale Colledje!!!

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:46:08pm

re: #126 Myron Falwell

I could be horribly wrong here, but isn’t the oil market far more likely to implode upon itself due to a massive inventory glut? That is far, far more likely than $100/barrel.

It’s an objective of Operation Orange Crush.

We have Putin’s agent in the White House leaning on the Saudis to do what Putin wants, and the party of treason has a hard-on to start bombing Iran because… reasons.

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KingKenrod  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:46:47pm

Shouldn’t McCain be disciplined for saying that about Paul from the Senate floor?

Like Sen. Warren was disciplined when she “impugned” Sessions?

Different rules for the GOP I guess.

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:46:55pm

re: #138 Kragar

First Austria, now this. Good news. Hoping for the best in France. There Fillon has been formally charged with embezzlement. I wonder if this egomaniac will quit now.

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jeffreyw  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:47:37pm

re: #124 Timothy Watson

It looks like you brought enough for the whole class!

Take what you need
Leave the rest
I’ve already eaten
The very best

/Burma Shave

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:47:59pm

re: #136 Timothy Watson

Well if the UN uses it…

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“UN APPROVED!”
I’ll suggest to our DFW Nissan dealers that they use that in their commercials……..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:48:19pm

re: #127 electrotek

Don’t forget the image of Italian cars, i.e. Fix It Again Tony

That, and they rusted away.

The funny thing is, cars these days are uniformly SO MUCH BETTER than they used to be. Take my Challenger, for example - it’s just turned over 30,000 miles. It uses NO OIL - that is, the level on the dipstick doesn’t appreciably change month to month. It’s given me no problems - well, one minor issue, fixed under warranty. And this is typical. But according to Consumer Reports, the reliability is average or slightly worse. This isn’t because my car is anomalously reliable. It’s because EVERY car is so much more reliable that a small difference in reliability looms huge.

Remember what unreliable USED TO mean? It meant the damn thing broke down, you had to get towed to the dealer, shit caught fire! Now? Well, there was an issue with the heater that required an afternoon at the dealer, for no charge.

I was watching Top Gear one time, and they were reviewing an Alfa Romeo, which they kind of liked, but the problem they had with it was that although it drove like an Alfa, it wasn’t theatening to catastrophically fail like an Alfa.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:48:48pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

“UN APPROVED!”
I’ll suggest to our DFW Nissan dealers that they use that in their commercials……..

“Can I get one in baby blue?”

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:49:03pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lots of other things can spike the price of oil, like, say, a conflict in or near the Persian Gulf…

Unless Trump just invades and conquers Iran overnight, it would be the same fucking prolonged run-up like W’s war-drum banging (and public lies) prior to Iraq.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:50:14pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:50:24pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

I was watching Top Gear one time, and they were reviewing an Alfa Romeo, which they kind of liked, but the problem they had with it was that although it drove like an Alfa, it wasn’t theatening to catastrophically fail like an Alfa.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:50:54pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

Humpback whales are organizing in huge numbers, and no one knows why

Soros is paying them?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:51:04pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

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Nuke the Whales

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:51:13pm

Just added this update after checking Wilson’s original testimony…

Clarification: The new testimony doesn’t make this clear, but Wilson’s original testimony was that he drew his gun and then Brown tried to grab it from him. So while Wilson does admit Brown didn’t try to grab the gun while it was in his holster, it doesn’t contradict his original testimony.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:51:13pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:51:44pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

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“And then the murders began…”

(The tweet about the whales massing made me think of the thing we were talking about a couple days back)

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:54:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:56:07pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:56:39pm

re: #9 Citizen K

Maybe all that is good in the sense that they’ll stop voting for Republicans in general and maybe stop voting altogether if Trump is forced to resign for any number of his scandals.

Seems like their loyalties are only to Trump and not to Republicans as a whole which will eventually hurt Republicans in the long run.

Sounds good to me as a staunch Democrat.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:57:20pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Are the damn Trump supporters going to complain about new EPA auto fuel mileage standards?

Just think, Trump will drive up oil costs to help Russia, cut mileage so you get less out of the gas you just paid more for and the extra pollution coming from burning of gasoline (and who knows what else will be allowed to be in the fuel) will help lessen the length of lives that can’t get health insurance.

Making America Great Again…right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 1:58:57pm

In case it wasn’t already obvious from today’s Fed rate hike,

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:00:59pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

When writing the post I originally referred back to the New York Times article that summarized Wilson’s original testimony, and this distinction wasn’t clear in that summary either. I apologize for getting this one wrong at first. Thanks to David Wong for pointing it out.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:06:11pm

re: #34 Kragar

Kragar @Kragar_LGF
Trump promises to roll back fuel standards for US automakers.

Looks like I’ll be buying foreign. The Free Market wins again!
3:39 PM - 15 Mar 2017
1 1 Retweet 1 1 like

VW wants their big fine back from America.

(joking)

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:11:41pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Corrections and clarifications - one of the differences between responsible journalism and RWNJ crap-funneling.

166
Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:15:15pm
167
ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:17:03pm

re: #50 Citizen K

I’m just legitimately at a despair point right now. I literally don’t know what the fuck we can do anymore. There seems like nothing that can be done that won’t get turned around to make things fucking worse either because people are so invested on either protecting Trump or being contrarian against liberals just because spiting Liberals and minorities has become all proof of ‘Real Americans’.

I don’t fucking know what we do anymore. I’m goddamn terrified and depressed.

So, toss in the towel and we can all get ready to stand in the camp’s shower lines.

You want sarcasm…there it is.

Later, I get sick at the sight of blood from the wrist slashing.

I’ll wait ‘til some have bled out and then maybe the people still alive will do things to try to right the ship, like talking to people to change minds, helping local candidates, supporting people that are actually doing shit…and anything that is not throwing up your hands and saying fuck it. I think that has worked to get us all here since the 2010 election.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:18:32pm

Government emissions and fuel economy standards have driven a golden age of development and innovation in automotive technology. Compared with those of 50 years ago, current automotive engines are incomparably superior in efficiency and specific output, not to mention overall emissions.
I am kind of a nostalgist about old cars, but I am not one of those numerous old farts who will tell you that the old cars were actually better. They weren’t. In fact, in some respects, the US industry made very little progress in the 30 years after World War II. Engine output grew exponentially, to be sure, but only because of leaded fuel and larger displacement. Compare the specs if you don’t believe it. For instance, the General Motors “C” platform originated in the 1930s and remained the basis for GM “full size” cars until 1984.

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:19:27pm

Former LA County Sheriff Lee Baca was found guilty of obstruction of justice and other charges this afternoon.

latimes.com

Is it possible ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio could be next? A girl can dream…

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Henny Penny  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:20:01pm

Wilson explained that he resorted to his training and the “use of force triangle” to
determine how to properly defend himself. Wilson explained that he did not carry a taser, and
therefore, his options were mace, his flashlight, his retractable asp baton, and his firearm.
Wilson’s mace was on his left hip and Wilson explained that he knew that the space within the
SUV was too small to use it without incapacitating himself in the process. Wilson’s asp baton
was located on the back of his duty belt. Wilson determined that not only would he have to lean
forward to reach it, giving more of an advantage to Brown, but there was not enough space in the
SUV to expand the baton. Wilson’s flashlight was in his duty bag on the passenger seat, out of
his reach. Wilson explained that his gun, located on his right hip, was his only readily accessible
option.
Consequently, while the assault was in progress and Brown was leaning in through the
window with his arms, torso, and head inside the SUV, Wilson withdrew his gun and pointed it
at Brown. Wilson warned Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown stated, “You aretoo much of a pussy to shoot,”5
and put his right hand6
over Wilson’s right hand, gaining control
of the gun. Brown then maneuvered the gun so that it was pointed down at Wilson’s left hip.
Wilson explained that Brown’s size and strength, coupled with his standing position outside the
SUV relative to Wilson’s seated position inside the SUV, rendered Wilson completely
vulnerable. Wilson stated that he feared Brown was going to shoot him because Brown had
control of the gun. Wilson managed to use his left elbow to brace against the seat, gaining
enough leverage to push the gun forward until it lined up with the driver’s door, just under the
handle. Wilson explained that he twice pulled the trigger but the gun did not fire, most likely
because Brown’s hand was preventing the gun from functioning properly. Wilson pulled the
trigger a third time and the gun fired into the door. Immediately, glass shattered because the
window had been down, and Wilson noticed blood on his own hand. Wilson initially thought he
had been cut by the glass.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:24:54pm

re: #93 Nyet

And Wilson’s account:

Consequently, while the assault was in progress and Brown was leaning in through the window with his arms, torso, and head inside the SUV, Wilson withdrew his gun and pointed it at Brown. Wilson warned Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown stated, “You are too much of a pussy to shoot,”5 and put his right hand6 over Wilson’s right hand, gaining control of the gun. Brown then maneuvered the gun so that it was pointed down at Wilson’s left hip. Wilson explained that Brown’s size and strength, coupled with his standing position outside the SUV relative to Wilson’s seated position inside the SUV, rendered Wilson completely vulnerable
4

Remains plausible to you? That Brown would attack a police officer unprovoked?

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BeachDem  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:25:41pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

The same Mark Halperin who called President Obama a dick and still works in the media.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:27:33pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

Just FYI, check out Citizen K’s comments in totality to get a fuller perspective.

I get just as annoyed with defeatism every now and again, but what Citizen is expressing is a historical frustration as a person of color. I share it and it sucks and it’s a different perspective than a ‘general American’ one. It also is not unique to the Trump era.

And we are not the giving up type. We continue to push that arc towards justice, but sometimes you get ‘tired of being sick and tired’. That’s okay too.

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ericblair  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:27:43pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

I’ll wait ‘til some have bled out and then maybe the people still alive will do things to try to right the ship, like talking to people to change minds, helping local candidates, supporting people that are actually doing shit…and anything that is not throwing up your hands and saying fuck it. I think that has worked to get us all here since the 2010 election.

Things can change, and quickly. If you’ve lived all your life in the US, you’ve missed seeing political parties going from permanent dominance to total collapse in a couple of years. Majority governments to less than ten seats. Impossible can turn into inevitable in a heartbeat.

Not to say that this will necessarily happen in America right now, and a collapse of this magnitude usually means regional third parties, but it is a mistake to think that today is forever. Fight the good fight day in and day out, things may change sooner than you think, and at least you’ll be able to look at yourself in the mirror.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:32:01pm

As I pointed out at the time, I have been in the very same situation as Darren Wilson. When I was a deputy sheriff in California in the late 70s, I was in fact charged by a 300 pound 18-year-old miscreant. It didn’t cross my mind to shoot him. A snap kick to the groin brought him down instantly. I went down, too, but I was right back up while he took, well, quite a while to recover. He is probably still alive and I’ll bet his balls have even quit hurting by now.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:34:50pm

re: #93 Nyet

Yes - I added a correction. I’ll leave Yates’ tweet in the post for context, but thanks for pointing out that Assata business. I’ll keep it in mind in the future and treat her tweets as less than credible by default.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:36:16pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

As I pointed out at the time, I have been in the very same situation as Darren Wilson. When I was a deputy sheriff in California in the late 70s, I was in fact charged by a 300 pound 18-year-old miscreant. It didn’t cross my mind to shoot him. A snap kick to the groin brought him down instantly. I went down, too, but I was right back up while he took, well, quite a while to recover. He is probably still alive and I’ll bet his balls have even quit hurting by now.

Even though the new testimony doesn’t contradict his earlier version, I still believe Wilson basically executed Michael Brown when he did not need to use deadly force.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:42:20pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel

Government emissions and fuel economy standards have driven a golden age of development and innovation in automotive technology. Compared with those of 50 years ago, current automotive engines are incomparably superior in efficiency and specific output, not to mention overall emissions.
I am kind of a nostalgist about old cars, but I am not one of those numerous old farts who will tell you that the old cars were actually better. They weren’t. In fact, in some respects, the US industry made very little progress in the 30 years after World War II. Engine output grew exponentially, to be sure, but only because of leaded fuel and larger displacement. Compare the specs if you don’t believe it. For instance, the General Motors “C” platform originated in the 1930s and remained the basis for GM “full size” cars until 1984.

Much as I love the old muscle cars, especially Mopar ones, they were terrible compared to today’s.

179
JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:44:33pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Yes - I added a correction. I’ll leave Yates’ tweet in the post for context, but thanks for pointing out that Assata business. I’ll keep it in mind in the future and treat her tweets as less than credible by default.

Thank you both for the updates! I maintain that race-based harassment started the engagement and deadly force was unnecessary as it is in a lot of these high profile cases.

180
wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:44:44pm

re: #169 mmmirele

Former LA County Sheriff Lee Baca was found guilty of obstruction of justice and other charges this afternoon.

latimes.com

Is it possible ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio could be next? A girl can dream…

Cut his new act short.

‘I’m not retired’: Joe Arpaio launches conservative non-profit.

The sheriff made a name for himself through kitschy policies such as outdoor jails, chain gangs and pink underwear — crowd-pleasers for his conservative base.

‘Kitschy’?!?

“He is, as you know, a very young man who has a lot of energy and a lot of passion for a lot of things he cares about,” Willems said. “He’s going to work actively to remain a part of the conversation, support people who agree with him on things, and push conservative values and ideas.”

Fake news. He’s 84 years old.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:45:28pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Even though the new testimony doesn’t contradict his earlier version, I still believe Wilson basically executed Michael Brown when he did not need to use deadly force.

Executed is slightly too strong for me, but I think this was much closer to a George Zimmerman situation, where Wilson initiated a confrontation, which he then unnecessarily exacerbated and culminated in Wilson shooting Brown repeatedly and without justification. As an example, I find it FAR more likely that Wilson pulled his gun first and that caused Brown to reach into the vehicle. The “you’re too much of a pussy to shoot me” is just way to reminiscent of Zimmerman’s testimony re: Martin’s alleged statements.

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sagehen  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:47:43pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

[Embedded content]

preparing for the evacuation.

So Long and Thanks for all the Fish

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:50:09pm

re: #181 Mike Lamb

Executed is slightly too strong for me, but I think this was much closer to a George Zimmerman situation, where Wilson initiated a confrontation, which he then unnecessarily exacerbated and culminated in Wilson shooting Brown repeatedly and without justification. As an example, I find it FAR more likely that Wilson pulled his gun first and that caused Brown to reach into the vehicle. The “you’re too much of a pussy to shoot me” is just way to reminiscent of Zimmerman’s testimony re: Martin’s alleged statements.

Like the legendary British Constable testifying that the defendant said, “It’s a fair cop.”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:55:37pm

re: #165 Jebediah, RBG

Corrections and clarifications - one of the differences between responsible journalism and RWNJ crap-funneling.

Thanks. It’s never fun to admit you got something wrong but I’ve always considered it very important to maintain credibility.

185
gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:57:22pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cheechako  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:59:38pm

re: #151 Myron Falwell

[Embedded content]

Several years ago I was in a float lane flying up Favorite Channel in SE Alaska. That day the sun was at the right angle to see the humpback whales migrating from Hawaii to Alaska. Over several miles of travel there were hundreds of whales all heading up the channel. I could see very large mature whales, females with calves at their side, and many immature whales. Probably the rarest wildlife sighting I’ve had in my lifetime.

And, naturally, no one in the plane had a camera.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:00:17pm

re: #182 sagehen

So long and thanks for all the fish
So sad that it should come to this
We tried to warn you all but oh dear
You may not share our intellect
Which might explain your disrespect
For all the natural wonders that
grow around you
So long, so long and thanks
for all the fish
The world’s about to be destroyed
There’s no point getting all annoyed
Lie back and let the planet dissolve(around you)
Despite those nets of tuna fleets
We thought that most of you were sweet
Especially tiny tots and your
pregnant women
So long, so long, so long, so long, so long
So long, so long, so long, so long, so long
So long, so long and thanks
for all the fish
If I had just one last wish
I would like a tasty fish
If we could just change one thing
We would all have learned to sing.
Come one and all
Man and Mammal
Side by Side in life’s great gene pool
(oooohhh oooohhh oooaahhhhh- ah ahh)
So long, so long, so long, so long, so long
So long, so long, so long, so long, so long
So long, so long and, !Thanks!
for all the fish!
[Thanks to fartingmenace for lyrics]
[Thanks to Sam, Ella Schwarzbaum for corrections]

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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:53:04pm

re: #182 sagehen

preparing for the evacuation.

HONOLULU-In an announcement with grave implications for the primacy of the species of man, marine biologists at the Hawaii Oceanographic Institute reported Monday that dolphins, or family Delphinidae, have evolved opposable thumbs on their pectoral fins.

“I believe I speak for the entire human race when I say, ‘Holy fuck,’” said Oceanographic Institute director Dr. James Aoki, noting that the dolphin has a cranial capacity 40 percent greater than that of humans. “That’s it for us monkeys.”

Aoki strongly urged humans, especially those living near the sea, to learn to communicate using a system of clicks and whistles in a frequency range of 4 to 150 kHz. He also encouraged humans to “start practicing their echolocation as soon as possible.”

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steve_davis  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:21:13pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

What the fuck does Rand have against Montenegro? If they want to join, I don’t see why not.I have to say, one thing I do appreciate about Bush’s administration is they did reach out to many former Warsaw Pact nations. I mean I didn’t agree with Poland or Slovakia’s decision to join the Coalition of the Willing but I appreciate that they were seen as allies.

A longstanding grudge against Nero Wolfe, who solved a mystery that imprisoned a Rand ancestor decades ago.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:28:14pm

re: #189 steve_davis

A longstanding grudge against Nero Wolfe, who solved a mystery that imprisoned a Rand ancestor decades ago.

Cramer chewed his cigar. I’ve never seen him light one. He stood up without leaning on the arms of the red chair, which he does just to bother Wolfe. “Stebbins!” he said, “Go arrest that Paul guy!”

Turning to Wolfe, he said, “Next time….”, then stalked out of the brownstone.

Wolfe pushed back his chair, custom built to hold his seventh of a ton and headed to the kitchen, where he was driving Fritz insane, hovering over the sweetbreads for today’s lunch.

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BadgerB  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:20:31pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

What the fuck does Rand have against Montenegro? If they want to join, I don’t see why not.

I don’t have any specific information but I would guess in general its another manifestation of his general isolationism. One more nation in NATO means one more defense commitment we have to keep.

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:23pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Just added this update after checking Wilson’s original testimony…

Clarification: The new testimony doesn’t make this clear, but Wilson’s original testimony was that he drew his gun and then Brown tried to grab it from him. So while Wilson does admit Brown didn’t try to grab the gun while it was in his holster, it doesn’t contradict his original testimony.

Thanks!

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:30:44pm

re: #171 Mike Lamb

And Wilson’s account:

Consequently, while the assault was in progress and Brown was leaning in through the window with his arms, torso, and head inside the SUV, Wilson withdrew his gun and pointed it at Brown. Wilson warned Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown stated, “You are too much of a pussy to shoot,”5 and put his right hand6 over Wilson’s right hand, gaining control of the gun. Brown then maneuvered the gun so that it was pointed down at Wilson’s left hip. Wilson explained that Brown’s size and strength, coupled with his standing position outside the SUV relative to Wilson’s seated position inside the SUV, rendered Wilson completely vulnerable
4

Remains plausible to you? That Brown would attack a police officer unprovoked?

Forensic evidence and witnesses supports Wilson’s account.

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steve_davis  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:57:30pm

re: #118 electrotek

They’re not bad cars, but compared to the competition, they are lacking.

And I say this as someone who had high hopes for the Dart as it was based on architecture that forms the chassis of the Alfa Romeo MiTo’s.

for the same money, i got a Hyundai Accent that has a 10-year, 100,000 mile warranty, and 35,000 bumper-to-bumper. I picked up a nail and was scared to drive 20 miles to the dealership. They dispatched a tow truck for free, and I ended up paying about 13 bucks for the labor of pulling a nail. American cars just in no way compete with Asian car makers.

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steve_davis  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:09:33pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

As I pointed out at the time, I have been in the very same situation as Darren Wilson. When I was a deputy sheriff in California in the late 70s, I was in fact charged by a 300 pound 18-year-old miscreant. It didn’t cross my mind to shoot him. A snap kick to the groin brought him down instantly. I went down, too, but I was right back up while he took, well, quite a while to recover. He is probably still alive and I’ll bet his balls have even quit hurting by now.

it’s why Adam-12 is so much fun to watch now. In one episode, the two find themselves in a house with a retired professional wrestler who proceeds to throw malloy around the room. Finally reed is able to get into the fight and the two are able eventually to subdue the guy. Nobody thinks about pulling out a gun. Sure, it’s fiction, but it’s Jack Webb fiction, which means a lot of that stuff was pulled from officer reports.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:23:19pm

Night Lizards.


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